Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[shadow burrow]

I don't want to be captain obvious. But you did say "why bother with a sim at all?"

[full plank]

fuck me could both of you just wind your necks in

[shadow burrow]

Hey I'm just answering I ain't questioning 😭😂

[lethal jasper]

And when those are already off? Still does it on DX11 and no DLSS. 😅

[reef isle]

L1011

It's just another place to draw the line.

Starting with the assumption that it will never be exact, you can get as close as you want, you could fly around with a game controller and do loops in the default A320, you can fly realistically with the default ATC and the default A320 in the Orbit airlines livery, you can fly real world routes with more or less the correct plane (737NG instead of the classic, A300-600 instead of A300B4, etc...) or you could just go full ballistic and don't fly the A320neo until it gets the updated radio instruments that have been installed in them, and haven't been reproduced in neither the ini A320neo not the FBW

It's not a binary you either do this or you don't, it's a scale, and you just draw the line at a different place.

I wouldn't fly an A300-600 instead of an A300B4, I wouldn't fly a 737NG instead of a classic, wrong engine? Maybe, depends. Most of the routes I fly are real current or historic routes, it's a cool opportunity to learn about a subject I'm passionate about (old civil aviation), and it's a cool way to see things from the past you would normally see.

I don't care if people fly in a Ryanair A320 between LAX and SFO, why do you care if I take 30 minutes to look up at timetables from the '80s to see what route to fly, or if I'm waiting for the JF A300B4 to fly Alitalia? 😄

[full plank]

out of all the examples

Ryanair A320

even though its not totally out of the question

Lauda A320s my beloved

I saw someone fly EasyJet from Boston to somewhere else in the US, wrong as hell but eh

[reef isle]

1st, Lauda flies with the RYR c/s and ICAO
2nd, I don't care, at most I look at it and think, ahah I'd never do that, and then forget 5 seconds later. I don't care what people do

[full plank]

please see what I sent above

[reef isle]

Aha cool, we wrote basically the same thing at the same time 😛

[full plank]

at the end of the day, people who have above room temperature IQ don't give a shit

when I started simming all there was available was the 320neo so best believe I flew KLM in that fucker

but yea, we're all here to have fun

not have some stupid fucking arguments

anyway, this is gonna be fit

already quite liked the iFly Max for P3D, sounds were a bit lacking but it was really fun to fly so looking forward to the msfs version

[trim harbor]

omg

ifly when PLS

[rustic charm]

Just did a Wrangell - Petersburg flight

If I ever complained in here about Tivat’s or Juneau’s offset approaches

I’d like to take my words back

The LDA offset at Petersburg is almost twice the offsets of those 2 combined

Would’ve helped if I at least looked up a video of that approach in a 737 beforehand, at least to know what real pilots do there. But nah, I decided to just hit it. And so I did, half-successfully

[shadow burrow]

Welp that's asobo quality for you 😂

[shadow burrow]

"why do you care if I take 30 mins to look up at old timetables"

...me refueling the 777 that takes almost an hour each flight -_-

[shadow burrow]

It's definitely better than PMDGs

[full plank]

eh, on par

imo, though I like using the fmc to load pax n fuel

the one aspect on the ifly I absolutely hated

[rustic charm]

Btw this is how the landing looked, forgot to send

[shadow burrow]

Lol you're like me where you put 737-700 in the planes type instead of B737 lol 😂

[rustic charm]

I didn’t even put it in, it’s done so automatically every time

[shadow burrow]

Oh that's odd

Usually it'll pick an ICAO

Like B77W

[rustic charm]

Yeah I know

But for the 737 it did this for some reason

With the Fokker I had to tell it specifically that it’s an F28 cause it would just say ‘jet’

[shadow burrow]

its the way that MSFS aircraft report there aircraft data

for XP and P3D when making the aircraft you set the type code but for MSFS you don't have to

[shadow burrow]

Yeah that's Volanta not knowing the registration so it just defaults to the planes in-game folder.

The fenix a320 for example is AirbusModel

Ini A310 is Fatboy or Fatslim

And the 737 is BoeBus3737

Most of the time it will just be left blank or a bunch of random text

[shadow burrow]

Oh really?

Well I'm weird and I change it from an ICAO to it's actual name. B77W is 777-300ER lol

I also don't put my callsign in all my flights I put the airline

It's more organised in my flight history log

[untold finch]

I change it to the correct ICAO so that the icon is correct

Sadly Volanta don't seem to be able to keep up with the rate addons are coming out

[rustic charm]

Redoing yesterday's one, now at night

And without the "Screw VNAV and LNAV I'm going old school"

[rustic charm]

And I'm at Petersburg James A Johnson airport

With a much better landing, might even be one of my best judging by how it felt in the sim

[shadow burrow]

As in the picture of the plane? They are based on registration if so

[untold finch]

No, not the picture - I always delete that and add my own

The icon on the map

[shadow burrow]

Ohhhhhhhh. Seems to work just fine for me without the ICAO

Then again Volanta is so ass for this stuff

Thought my AN225 was a fighter jet

[untold finch]

It's based on the ICAO code afaik

[shadow burrow]

Interesting 🤔

[untold finch]

I always look the type up on here: https://www.icao.int/publications/doc8643/pages/search.aspx

that's why this concorde appears as a concorde, because they've used CONC

[shadow burrow]

Oh. I just use Wikipedia if I don't know mine

[shadow burrow]

If I'm in an MD11 and I set it as MD-11 it still works for me.

However MD1F which exists doesn't

[untold finch]

If you use A225 you get the triple engines

MD1F isn't an official ICAO code

It works for most civvie jets, and I'm pretty sure the B2 has its own icon as well

Sadly VULC is still just the generic twin engine airliner icon

[shadow burrow]

Yeah works for me with AH-225 too

[untold finch]

Interesting. I guess they have several valid types for each aircraft then, cool

[shadow burrow]

Well it is on simbrief lol 😂

[shadow burrow]

I think that it also checks the registration and uses the ICAO if it can find one from there too.

I was flying once in the BAE-146 using a retro livery and I came up as a Cessna 182. I checked plannespotters and there it was a Cessna with my registration.

[shadow burrow]

they just use a different designator to differentiate the airframes

not a good source for that

[tired pond]

I can't stop flying this weekend lmao

Traffic with BeyondATC even if a little bit buggy atm is a gamechanger for me

[woeful elbow]

a

[rustic charm]

Wish I could get BATC working, even without traffic

Turns out it only functions with a VPN in Russia, and I have none on my PC

[rustic charm]

Plus running MSFS with VPN would be rather painful anyway, especially considering I can’t really buy a good one

[full plank]

lovely easyJet Europe

[hollow oracle]

ive had worse

[trim harbor]

@shadow burrow aye

r u awake rn

do u know fi the 777 has pause t/d

[shadow burrow]

uhhhhh

[trim harbor]

b4 i overfly my destination for a few hours

[shadow burrow]

idk

[trim harbor]

painge

[shadow burrow]

idk where it would be

[trim harbor]

DES page on the fmc

is where it was on the old one

it doesnt nvm

[hollow oracle]

I will not die peacefully until FBW A380 in flying honu livery

[wide zenith]

hopefully this undervolt solves my temp issues with 14th gen

[woeful elbow]

lol

gotta love vatsim being sent to a jetbridge gate when it doesnt work

[rustic cedar]

that's one cool ass livery

[woeful elbow]

agreed

[wide zenith]

we love EUPJ

when we get a competent 74 I'm excited to fly the BOAC stuff

[trim harbor]

boac goated

i want the 777F so bad

[full plank]

dying for the 200ER

equally I want a 74, just tried the Asobo one & despite AAU2 I got a call from chief saying that wasn't it

[trim harbor]

(FF)

i don't like the -8i

400 is goat

[full plank]

that involved reinstalling x-plane & I don't really wanna do that if im honest

[trim harbor]

quite understandable

[full plank]

want a 744 more than anything really

even in P3D I barely flew the 748

[trim harbor]

i didnt care for it as much

[woeful elbow]

rn im just loving the 321 with shared cockpit with my little brother lol

dep/climb outta egkk inbound for LGSX

[full plank]

was nice for VA shit but 744 goes harder though

[trim harbor]

havent flown the md11 for a while

[woeful elbow]

think its time for a beer

[rustic charm]

Absolutely

Fly it with the Boeing 317

[wide zenith]

[woeful elbow]

LOl

did a leg from LOWI-EGKK, had been delayed bc of weather, mine said it was ADC 102 mins

[untold finch]

"wrong type of biscuits were provided by catering"

[rustic charm]

What is ADC

[wide zenith]

Looked it up, closest I found was Air Data Computer

[untold finch]

I think it's Airline Delay Code or something

[untold finch]

Ah cool

[trim harbor]

send code GBT

ez

[uneven fern]

I have been testing BeyondATC's new traffic injection

[trim harbor]

sky red

pwetty

[uneven fern]

So far so good, a few things still missing as it's very early Alpha but it doesn't feel as empty now

[rustic charm]

Wish I could, batc looks like some very nice fun

[trim harbor]

what voices does it use?

not the premium ones right?

[uneven fern]

it can if you want it to

[rustic charm]

I think you can set it

[wide zenith]

Do you have to have supporter edition?

[rustic charm]

Yeah

[uneven fern]

for now, yes

[wide zenith]

ah

[rustic charm]

It will come for the standard later

[uneven fern]

while they work on bugs and features

[trim harbor]

thinking of buying it fr

[wide zenith]

I'll wait for that then, looks exciting

[rustic charm]

Supporters basically are beta testers in this case

[wide zenith]

especially if it can replace fbws injector

[uneven fern]

So, earlier I was landing and heard the plane on the ground requesting take off clereance. ATC Told the plane to wait for arriving traffic

[trim harbor]

ayo sick

[uneven fern]

and as I was doing my landing role, ATC told the plane to line up and wait

it's great

[woeful elbow]

Ah yes, instantly sounds better than vatsim lol

[uneven fern]

like I said, still Alpha so lots of bugs but we have gotten at least 4 updates since release now

[trim harbor]

any u have encountered thus far?

[uneven fern]

A few, yes.. but some were fixed in yesterday's update.

[woeful elbow]

I am regretting doing this flight with my brother

[trim harbor]

like?

[uneven fern]

Like right now there's no speed controls / restrictions in place for traffic

[trim harbor]

oh boy

[uneven fern]

although that's not a bug

[woeful elbow]

oh god

[trim harbor]

rip cessna

[uneven fern]

so you can have 2 airplanes landing at the same time, that will come quite soon (speed controls)

From their Discord:

"Traffic data for the globe based on live traffic from an historic week of data, limited to any aircraft flying IFR with an active transponder
Ground, departure, arrival traffic to and from the airports you have planned in Simbrief for your flight
Traffic fully managed by Beyond ATC including parking, runway and procedure assignments
Parking spots represent the actual parking spot of the aircraft in real life, irrespective of the parking assignments in the airport scenery
Support for FSLTL, AIG and FS Traffic models - at least one of which must be installed
Initial separation handling of aircraft at injection
Ability to use premium, basic or turn off voices entirely for traffic, separately from the voice setting being used for your the player.
Traffic managed by ATC out to 200nm from the player even without those aircraft having to be present in the simulator, saving valuable sim resources.
A slider that limits traffic based on a time range from our data set - the higher the slider, the further out the time range.

What features will come in future builds?

Enroute traffic not flying to or from either of the airports you have planned.
Any ground services, in particular a tug for pushback
Full separation handling through the entire traffic aircraft flight
Continued improvements to handling procedures"

[rustic charm]

Lovely weather there

[woeful elbow]

Uhh

[trim harbor]

bless them seriously

[woeful elbow]

we just got cleared to fl40

[rustic charm]

FL40?

[woeful elbow]

how-

Yeah

LMAO

how tf

[rustic charm]

You mean 400?

[woeful elbow]

yes

[rustic charm]

I doubt flying through the alps at FL40 is a great idea

[rustic charm]

Well... that's an interesting question

[woeful elbow]

ah the controller just voiced me saying it was a mistake

[uneven fern]

I love that the planes will park at the correct spots as they would in real life

[woeful elbow]

just reminded me, unrelated but, 321 into LGSK is gonna be chaos

[full plank]

eh, its gonna be fine.. I had no issues doing Gatwick to Skiathos & back

deploy the 321

[woeful elbow]

I've done it before, just never shared cockpit

[uneven fern]

I've never done shared cockpit before

[woeful elbow]

Im doing it rn with my youngest brother and its soo much easier, hes doing atc, and then im watching yt and having a beer

[full plank]

I done shared cockpit with a friend of mine, he pissed me off turning off 1 engine so I turned off the entire aircraft

[wide zenith]

last time I did anything with someone else on fs, on approach someone called a bomb threat at egkk at 1am at an overnight event

[woeful elbow]

I was there- uhh no comment.

Okay now we just got asked if we can go FL390

uhhh

[full plank]

when I flew to Gatwick there was someone landing at Stansted & the interaction between the Wizz Air & the controller was crease

[woeful elbow]

gotta love when that happens

[full plank]

Yan whats your callsign? I wanna see what shit the controller puts you up to

[woeful elbow]

one second

[trim harbor]

i'm gonna assume it's TOM22W

[woeful elbow]

nope, TCX441

[full plank]

gutting doesn't appear on volanta

[trim harbor]

yea

[trim harbor]

appears on vatspy though

[trim harbor]

he's about to cross frankfurt

toobad langes offline

[full plank]

that is fit

[trim harbor]

funny chaos

[full plank]

its all good though, all the idiots yap their fucking mouth off on unicom anyway

[trim harbor]

people still report their stuff on unicom?

never seen that for a while

gotta say tho the amount of times i cut infront of someone on approach by accident because i didnt see their mf text message

😭

[full plank]

must not be flying in Europe then, still happens daily

though the amount of people that say some fucking dumbass shit has increased too

[trim harbor]

ya i fly us mainly on vatsim

[woeful elbow]

back to watching yt

xd

[trim harbor]

eu is one scary ahh place

[full plank]

eh, its alright

due timezone & obligations I don't fly US often but happens every once in a while

[trim harbor]

i find the controllers to be nicer in the us

they also seem WAY less stressed

[full plank]

find that depends really, most controllers I interact with are quite nice

& if you fly during quiet periods its not too bad

[trim harbor]

ye ig

i had neg experiences in the uk mostly

albeit i don't blame them

[woeful elbow]

dont wanna say the q word but 122.8 is quiet

[full plank]

yea I mean the UK can be either really nice or terrifying as fuck, mostly because UK controllers just say it like it is

[wide zenith]

When I used to fly on vatsim more i'd avoid certain sector controllers but most ground/tower are fine

[full plank]

like if you're absolutely dogshit, they will tell you

[wide zenith]

Fraser is good if you ever see them on

[woeful elbow]

I have issues with fraser

[trim harbor]

@woeful elbow u use yourcontrols right

[woeful elbow]

yessir

[trim harbor]

is there a config for the 321 out or u need a seperate one still

[woeful elbow]

made a custom 1

[trim harbor]

oh

[wide zenith]

i'd rather this than not be told and be doing something wrong tbh

[full plank]

yea I mean, if I am unsure about something then rather just ask before going ahead & doing it.. caught a few controllers lacking cause they realised what they wanted me to do was wrong/illegal/death penalty/etc

[woeful elbow]

can u check if we're passing thru blue zone

my brothers freaking out because hes the one doing r/t

[trim harbor]

uh

[full plank]

callsign, altitude, inbound waypoint

[trim harbor]

it doesnt show the route on vatspy

[wide zenith]

exactly

[full plank]

I do appreciate the UK controllers just being blunt

so many people that fly on vatsim with fuck all clue on what to do

[wide zenith]

from UK likely south of that

yeah

[woeful elbow]

alr

[wide zenith]

I can't stop flying here

[woeful elbow]

lol

[wide zenith]

Pyreegue masterclass fr

[full plank]

Johnnie Walker, love it

[wide zenith]

iconic

[woeful elbow]

someone on unicom just said they had bad turbulance at 350 5 nm ahead

lol

[full plank]

I still think my funniest unicom interaction was people discussing footy during CTP

[trim harbor]

[woeful elbow]

yes I REMEMBER THAT

[full plank]

lovely footy

[trim harbor]

🌈

[woeful elbow]

we zoomin'

[woeful elbow]

people on unicom talking about redbull lol

[full plank]

blessed but too bad redbull is ass

[woeful elbow]

And ofc my lil bro is playing fortnite while crusing

and now i hit turbulance

[woeful elbow]

now talking about siblings

[woeful elbow]

here comes chaos

[woeful elbow]

@wide zenith sorry for ping, chaos has commenced

been told they aint seen a "KESTRAL" for about 1 or 2 years

hehe

and atc is closing

[shadow burrow]

i think this might have been a bad idea

I took off like 5h ago

I have to be up at 6 tmrw lmao

[reef isle]

G-EUPJ my beloved

[woeful elbow]

ahahaha

[reef isle]

When Trident?

[trim harbor]

long boy action

[rustic charm]

Doing the same flight for the third time in a row. Just loved something about Petersburg. Plus, gotta at least do it properly once - during daytime, following roughly what they do in reality on that final turn into the airport.

Also, I'm pretty sure these stands shouldn't have pushback tugs

[mild zenith]

I was about to say you can disable pushback on gates with GSX but you don't have GSX 😅

[rustic charm]

True. Might get it, just to make the ground look a bit better. I usually don’t mind the default pushback tug or the PMDG stairs, but having to roll through a vehicle because it’s a no-pushback stand, yet it still spawns there, is not very nice

[mild zenith]

I'm pretty sure you'll like it. Having animated ground traffic with animated passengers and ground crew around your aircraft adds a new level of immersion. The pushback itself is nicely done aswell with everything fully animated from inserting the steering pin to lifting the aircraft and disconnecting again, all while you're being spoken to 👍

[rustic charm]

That sounds lovely

Will try it then I guess

At least some enhancement to my game, considering I can’t get an AI ATC xD

Guess for the control, gonna have to try VatSim at some point

[wide zenith]

+1 for GSX, won't ever fly without it

you can find profiles on flightsim.to or inimanger for any payware and people go into great detail

[mild zenith]

I'm not sure how often they have a sale but if the price seems a bit high for you, it might be worth waiting for one. There was definitely a sale around Christmas, which is when I got it

[rustic charm]

Alright

What’s the best place to buy it?

[mild zenith]

Some people nail it so perfectly. Others are more like "I hope this does the trick!” 😅

[mild zenith]

I think you can only buy it on https://www.fsdreamteam.com/products_gsxpro.html

[rustic charm]

Alrighty

[trim harbor]

suns' comin

[rustic charm]

Oh, and I right away get hit by “we cannot accept orders from your region”, just lovely ain’t it…

[full plank]

another hell yea for GSX, some of the profiles are really well done & most 3rd party aircraft work out the box with it

[mild zenith]

That's very unfortunate

[rustic charm]

I mean, at least I can use a vpn on my phone to buy it. Is it working offline? Cause I wouldn’t like another BeyondATC situation

[mild zenith]

It should 🤔

[reef isle]

I need to start flying in russia more

I've been telling myself that for ages and never done it 🥲

I always come back to the US and EU

[rustic charm]

I keep telling myself I need to learn Russian phraseology finally, yet still haven’t either xD

[rustic charm]

Where’s the logo light

[trim harbor]

good question

either im blind or theres just none

maybe it's like the 320 where it activates itself at 10k

[rustic charm]

Well, there’s Nav & Logo

[trim harbor]

ye thats on 2

[rustic charm]

So it’s probably integrated there

[trim harbor]

it on doe

[rustic charm]

Yeah

I see

[trim harbor]

finally leaving the damn nattracks

went from FL370 to 380 and then onto 410

i don't understand it but meh

[lethal jasper]

Airbus logo lights are the weirdest thing ever ngl.

[woeful elbow]

Morning

[woeful elbow]

shalom

[wide zenith]

https://fselite.net/content/ifly-737-max8-enters-paint-shop-as-liveries-teased-for-msfs/

[full plank]

73 max is gonna go hard

plenty of previews in their discord aswell & it looks fucking fit

[woeful elbow]

its gonna be chaos on vatsim

[wide zenith]

heathrow when the IAEs released was fun

same with the 77w

[wide zenith]

I hope we get a 737 immersion pack soon

[woeful elbow]

LMAO

ITS CHAOS

@wide zenith I have a feeling letting me younger brother do the atc is gonna be a bad idea lol

[full plank]

I quite liked the immersion packages that are available for the PMDG suite in P3D so a 73 pack wouldn't go wrong for me

[woeful elbow]

Why are there delays up to an hour to land!?

wtf

[wide zenith]

They're great little packs, a bit on the spenny side for msfs as you require simfx tho

having condenstation and such on the a32x's is a game changer for me

love those little details

[woeful elbow]

We're decending to fl240

TCX41A - callsign

[full plank]

its alright though, feel alot of it is worth due the amount of aircraft supported at one time

don't mine spending a bit if it means a bit more immersion in the end really

been considering the accuseason pack & the upcoming cloud one from Rex aswell

[woeful elbow]

ah yes london control is mad

my man lenny

[full plank]

you're barely even past Paris why are you at FL240 already

[woeful elbow]

Because I'm pre-planning the approach

and pressed expidete by mistake

[woeful elbow]

and also tcas

[full plank]

there's barely anybody around

[woeful elbow]

there was about 5 minutes ago they then disconnected/got banned

[full plank]

should have looked on the ND & see what altitude the opposing traffic was at & then coordinated/act accordingly

[woeful elbow]

Also because my brother will not be able to deal with multiple things at once I've gotta deal with atc and land manually.

[full plank]

rog

[woeful elbow]

ffs

here we go

xd

[wide zenith]

shortest taxi :p I was waiting on the rwy for cabin call

[woeful elbow]

lol

[rustic charm]

That’d be one of my longest taxis xD

[woeful elbow]

lmfao

[untold finch]

what's a taxi?
-average westland scout enjoyer

[woeful elbow]

got my brother yapping in my ear, messed up and left timba too early

[shadow burrow]

Is it released yet?

[tired pond]

Only to supporters

[untold finch]

It's released on the experimental branch that people who bought/upgraded to the supporters pack have access to

[shadow burrow]

Sweet so I have it yay

I know it's gonna be fucked already

EDDK just changed their runway numbers 🤣

[tired pond]

Oh no

[shadow burrow]

Wonder how it'll solve that haha

[woeful elbow]

okay that was poggers

https://fly.volanta.app/flights/35e4cdf8-df77-4d0d-8d79-51e6cc2f1141/details

[shadow burrow]

Vatsim?

[woeful elbow]

yh

[woeful elbow]

why do i consider doing stupid things my brother suggests lol

"lets do a flight from dalaman"

Oh I dont know lol

Lord help me

LGRP - EGKK // 4.50 flight

https://fly.volanta.app/flights/b4ef239a-f918-4c05-9084-95ebbecba4ae/details

[shadow burrow]

Just use simrate if it's too long

[woeful elbow]

nah its fine

last day for the next week ill be on mfs

going holiday with fam

[hollow oracle]

Simrate isn’t compatible with the fenix

[woeful elbow]

oh god here we go

[trim harbor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58RjLYq17h8

cant believe he did it

a true og flight simmer, he teached alot back in the fs2004 days

[wide zenith]

Avpro

[shadow burrow]

Yes it is.
It's in the MCDU

[tired pond]

Wait, the guy who refused to move off FS2004 for years is finally a pilot?

[trim harbor]

ye 777 and 787 typerated

chad

[full plank]

Flight1 going mental with their 73 max previews on their discord

some sound previews from what I gathered mainly tonight, I can't wait

[hollow oracle]

I’m concerned about their comment about something about windows software not being able to run on Xbox

That makes me think it might be a fenix situation, with an extremely inefficient external software maxing out CPU

[tired pond]

Fenix runs as well as other aircraft now I thought?

[hollow oracle]

its so frustrating finding a flight to do in MSFS, and then theres no planes in MSFS that actually fly it

doing medford OR to seattle is the flight i need to connect anchorage with LAX, and its only E175s, both delta and alaskan

theres the flight sim studio E175, and ive heard that it's really junk, especially for $40

[eager moon]

I love the Fenix but it's still the highest framerate hit in the sim

With frame Gen I get 200fps in the a2a Comanche, 150fps in the pmdg 737 or 75 in the Fenix a320

[hollow oracle]

im biased, but theres no denying that the external software cripples the A320

[echo gorge]

How is it for you compared to the jf planes?

They were similar for me

[eager moon]

Just flight turbo arrow is like 175fps

The black square stuff is 120-150 depending on the plane

[echo gorge]

I meant their tubes/Vulcan 😅

Their ga had excellent performance for me as well

[eager moon]

I do not own either

[echo gorge]

Fair

[eager moon]

I'm waiting for the f100 and avro rj

I have the 146 for x-pain 11

[echo gorge]

I love the 146 and f28, they're incredible

The vulcan's also great but it's not really my thing, they did a stunning job though

[eager moon]

They are just slightly too old for my constant enjoyment

[hollow oracle]

i really wish PMDG would update their 737s with the newer EFB, the ground equipment app in the 777 one is so handy

[eager moon]

Meh I use GSX already and the FMS is plenty fine for managing it, always has been

They were so crazy about their tablet and patting themselves on the back for their "groundbreaking" work every other add-on has had for 4 years

[hollow oracle]

finally made it to anchorage

[untold finch]

It's not "really junk", it's just early access. It may not have the level of functionality you'd want for the time being, but it's otherwise pretty good.

[shadow burrow]

It's early access so it's not a finished product. It's really good for what it offers so far. But once it's finished it'll be amazing

[mild zenith]

Agreed

[rustic charm]

Isn’t its main issue - the lack of vnav?

Like, if that’s the real big offputting point, I wouldn’t call it anywhere near junk. You can just use V/S, althold, level change and speed anyway, and it really won’t increase your workload that much

[shadow burrow]

I love it when my PC has ram issues 🥲

[eager moon]

Lack of VNAV in a plane which VNAV is a prominent feature of daily operation is pretty major

Especially with how slow it's been progressing

And especially since last I heard it's not getting VNAV until FS24

[untold finch]

Yeah, they are taking a while. To be honest though, I've made do without on every flight so far. Just makes the flights a bit more involved.

[eager moon]

Hopefully it's properly back ported to FS20

[untold finch]

From the sounds of it, i'd be surprised if the addons weren't the exact same thing for both sims, for a while at least.

[eager moon]

If they expect me to buy FS24 to use the product I bought for FS20 on the promise of it being complete at some point they better be the ones buying it for me lol

[eager moon]

This is what we were told over and over for xp11 stuff on xp12. Then xp12 released and everything needed massive updates

So I'm extremely skeptical

[untold finch]

Fair

I'm hoping FS24 will tempt me to get the simrig out of the cupboard again

[rustic charm]

Yeah, it's an issue, but it is not game-breaking and you can still fly without it normally. It is not a good thing, but it is not as bad as people seem to be making of it

[eager moon]

It's like buying a chocolate milkshake and they give you a vanilla milkshake with the promise it'll be chocolate if you buy it again in 2 years

Or that they'll give you a cup of chocolate syrup in a year

[full plank]

I mean tbf, we made do with the FBW A32NX not having proper VNAV (believe it does now but feel free to correct me)

yea sure & sure they're taking their sweet time with it, but hey ho

as NoOne mentioned, people seem to be making a song & dance about something that in the grand scheme of things a what I would say ''minor'' issue

early access product doesn't come with all features (shock & horror 🤯)

on the FS 24 note, looks fun.. probably will be a day 1 purchase for me

[full plank]

probably won't drive into all the career stuff too much, but nice seeing the amount of stuff on offer & also please Asobo working wipers for the love of god

[rustic charm]

Do wipers just not work at all

Cause I just tried using them for the first time, realised they do nothing apart from making annoying sounds and so turned them off

[full plank]

nah, apparently it was meant to be a feature in some sim update but then it was conveniently forgotten & simply left to gather dust

Fenix, FBW & the Black Square Duke (I believe?) has somewhat working wipers but eh

[rustic charm]

Lined up now

[eager moon]

I'll give fs24 a year before I jump into it probably

I mean I have game pass so I can try it whenever

[rustic charm]

I'll probably just wait for some reviews and decide based off that and the price

[eager moon]

I'm expecting it'll be $120 for premium deluxe again with no discount for fs20 owners

98 with gamepass

[echo gorge]

At least for me it ends up being a pretty game breaking issue, the e-jets are planes that irl are flown using vnav as a standard procedure, not being able to do that kills them for me

That said aside from the lnav/vnav issues I do think they're pretty well done, it's just they're missing a vital component

[rustic charm]

Tbh my opinion on the vnav matter might be influenced by the fact I like old-style navigation, and sometimes navigate entirely by VORs using just V/S and Althold in the 737 just because, so for me a missing VNAV is not as big of a deal

[hollow oracle]

thats fair, i did notice that it has completely custom systems and everything, the biggest drawback being no VNAV (but i honestly fly departures and approaches manually anyway, i rarely rely on vnav)

[reef isle]

not yet

unless I missed a big recent update

[hollow oracle]

my definition of custom systems is screens that are accurate to the aircraft, and it looked like it had a proper engine and systems displays in the center

(because captain sim stuff all uses the 747 stuff with no effort put in to make them realistic)

[reef isle]

most of the logic is default though, but in that sense I see what you mean, but it's not how FSS uses that term

I think all of the A/P is default as well

[hollow oracle]

that doesnt bother me too much, as long as i can complete a standard, no issues flight mostly realistically, and the plane looks and performs nicely

[reef isle]

that's fair, I just pointed out that the way most people, including FSS use the term "default system" was different compared to the way you used it

if you ask most people, it has default systems 😅

currently custom FMS is still "In Progress" according to FSS

[hollow oracle]

atleast to me, the visual representation of a system is a lot of what makes a plane "good", i was looking at the captain sim 757 and was shocked to see that they dont even bother changing the MCDU from 747

ive been looking at the aerosoft CRJs too, i want to do the michigan tech flight so bad

the only issue is that the aerosoft CRJs are the larger ones, the flights between houghton and chicago are all CRJ-200s

[echo gorge]

Ah the copypasta plane

[hollow oracle]

i know its an entirely different league of simulation from the CRJ and E-jets, but ive been looking at the MD-80s too, im just not a fan of flying older stuff because its impossible to find any realistic flight data on them (which is why i havent done any US airways flights, even though its by far my favorite aircraft livery and airline)

[full plank]

seeing up for a lovely lang flug

haven't done one of these in forever

primarily due CE course

[echo gorge]

They're expensive as heck, but it's probably my favorite plane in the sim

If you want historical flight data there's a couple options, fsdispatch has a decent collection of timetables, but afaik some of the flight numbers are made up when the creator couldn't find them. Also there's virtual airlines with full md80 schedules, I'd suggest piedmont virtual and virtual American airlines if you wanna go that route, they've got a full 2000 AAL schedule as well as NWA and a couple other md80 operators on pva

[hollow oracle]

oh wow thats awesome, i didnt even know that app existed, ive been using flightsfrom.com for flight data

[rustic charm]

The only WIP I want from FSS is the pax 727

[full plank]

honestly I've been eyeing up the MD11

seems decent & would be a nice break away from standard Bojing/Airbus shit

[hollow oracle]

i got the skysim MD-11 ages ago and ive been dying to get the TFDi one, but i just dont have the money

[rustic charm]

I was thinking of it a while ago too but realised that I probably wouldn't fly it too much, considering I'm not really a long-range guy

[hollow oracle]

i would buy it primarily for fedex flights, seeing fedex MD-11s is so iconic

[full plank]

for me it would probably be the pax version, don't really do much cargo flying

Finnair MD11s, very exciting

[hollow oracle]

now that im only just learning about fsdispatch, i might bite on the TFDi one

[rustic charm]

Tbh if I got it myself I'd buy both cause it's just a 10$ difference, but I just don't wanna go for it yet overall cause I'd be more interested in the pax 727, and probably even more interesting in getting a controller better than a keyboard

[hollow oracle]

i miss when i had money, back when i bought the captain scam 717 because hawaiian does island hops in it, and i never ended up learning it 🥲

[full plank]

honestly its really nice that if you bought one but want the other you're not paying full price

10$ is such a laughable amount I might just get both tbh

[rustic charm]

Exactly how I think of it. It's a great thing

[full plank]

may just get the triple freigher too for shit out of Billund

get some use out of the scenery I bought & only have flown out of twice or so

[rustic charm]

But yeah, not getting it just yet for 1 reason - no use for it. I've done 47 flights. Total flight time is 52 hours. Which gives an average flight time of 1 hour 6 minutes. A flight that short in an MD-11 would not work

[hollow oracle]

holy shit it even gives you the time the aircraft has been on the ground, so you can set it up for either C&D or ready to turn

when i get home from college tonight im gonna do a shit ton of us airways flights

[full plank]

ofcourse as I push back theres a notification from Nvidia about a game ready driver update

fuck off Nvidia I don't want your fucking shit

I must say though for €12, they've done Billund justice

[reef isle]

You just need to know where to look 😄

https://www.departedflights.com/timetables.html
https://timetableimages.com/

and archive.org are your friends, if you mind the possibility of finding inaccurate data also check out

https://flightsimdispatch.com/

Also archive.org (wayback machine) is very useful, this was on it for example

[wide zenith]

fsdispatch my beloved

didnt realise lufty have cfms on their 319 and 320, but IAEs on their 321 fleet

I see a 350... ini wen >:(

[shadow burrow]

They have a mix of all of them

Actually no I think they moved all there IAE 320/319’s to Eurowings

[wide zenith]

Ah I see, I imagine that created a few issues from a maintenance POV

[shadow burrow]

Doubt it

Lufthansa Technik does maintenance for I think 40 airlines?

All with various fleets of various types

When your company maintains 30+ year old 757’s next to brand new A320’s I think different engines aren’t really a concern

I would imagine they did it just to standardise performance across there fleet

Eurowings don’t get that luxury

I’ve gone down a hole again, apparently they do both JetBlue and Spirit fleet maintenance based out of San Juan

[trim harbor]

LH Technik?

[shadow burrow]

Ye

[trim harbor]

Bruh thats crazy

Just like the fraport group owning the most random airports lol

[shadow burrow]

Half of Greece is owned by Germany anyway

Only makes sense that half the airports are as well

[wide zenith]

Under wiki it says they also do stuff in india and china, that reach is crazy yeah no doubt they dont have a problem with multiple engines

[shadow burrow]

Cool image

This reminds me of some of the stupid shit we do

When Bergamo, Dublin and Stansted are over capacity we send some of our 737’s for maintenance in Leipzig with DHL

[wide zenith]

simfx looking so good now we're in autumn

orbx really fell off, olbia has some naff ground markings and lots of low res texturing

The devs of stockholm ended up moving to jetstream designs so i'm very excited for when Geneva releases

been waiting for ages for a good geneva as RDpresets was trash and the other one is so old now

[shadow burrow]

I love it when my PC has an SCEP failure 🥲

[rustic charm]

Is their new stuff just worse overall? I have only 1 of their airports and that's Tivat, which, I can confirm from the experience of being there countless times, is spot on

[wide zenith]

Their stuff in general worsened from p3d

theyre not bad but theyre very far away from being within my favourite airport developers for the sim

pyreegue, inibuilds, DD, flightbeam, aerosoft (jo erland), jetstream ect are all top tier

and orbx just haven't caught up

They do more stuff for asobo nowadays too

[wide zenith]

back in munich

[echo gorge]

Orbx still has great stuff, but a lot of 'orbx' releases these days are done by contractors, and the quality of said contractos varies a lot, the guy who does the Swedish airports is great for example, but the guy who did KBUR sucks

I think olbia might have been the BUR guy

Also orbx ported a bunch of p3d stuff early on, and some of the ports are pretty sub par, PAKT is a good example for those

[rustic charm]

I thought of getting their Ketchikan actually after being impressed with Tivat

But decided to go for Northern Sky Studio version instead

[mild zenith]

I love Orbx Bern Airport

[untold finch]

Based

[rustic charm]

Tbh the main reason I went for Northern Sky Studio one is for consistency

Cause I have all the other milk run airports by Northern Sky Studio

I can do any milk run apart from flight 62 and the only default airport I’ll encounter is Seattle-Tacoma

(For flight 62 I’m also missing Fairbanks)

[hollow oracle]

KPIT having no SIDs is so weird to me

theres 1, and its basically just a single VOR

[hollow oracle]

charlotte time

i did not land in the hudson

that was also my 30th (recorded) flight

[echo gorge]

That's actually somewhat common with us airports

[rustic charm]

Indeed

Constantly see SIDs that are just 1 turn into a VOR

Or sometimes it’s more interesting, if you take off in the other direction. Instead of making just a turn, you have to make a full 180 and only then a turn into a VOR

[hollow oracle]

I’ve encountered ones like that, but usually those are one option in a sea of a dozen

At Pittsburgh, it’s 1 departure for the entire airport, PIT5

Either that, or your flying direct

[rustic charm]

In many other airports it’s the same

Especially when there are just 2 active commercial runways

(2 as in 1 physical runway, 2 runway numbers)

[shadow burrow]

It’s not usually

IRL they are gonna vector you to no end

Standard arrival patterns in the uk are only really used till about 40 miles

Then it’s time to use hdg select

It’s the same with a lot of VOR Circle to land approaches in Europe

Larnaca has one but it’s used maybe twice a week for a late arrival

Easier to vector

[lethal jasper]

Those good old SIDs that are just vectors 🙂

[trim harbor]

must be a LCC thing

[shadow burrow]

Using navigraph to navigate the stand numbers at Frankfurt Hahn is not something I had on the cards today

We have an aircraft change and we have to get from A3 to B2

Brand spanking new 737 on the way back

Delivered in July and started flying on the 27th aug

[shadow burrow]

Guys there is a critical fault with the latest windows update (23H2) that causes BSODs with AMD based systems. Don't update until a patch has been released!!!

[hollow oracle]

i am tempting fate and doing a flight on friday the 13th

[echo gorge]

https://youtu.be/UH4gT6M4cYU?si=Gd7V31mH-0g8knyY

[dusky leaf]

The blog to go with it

https://il2-korea.com/news/dd_10

[hollow oracle]

i tempted fate, the A32NX broke 🥲

[hollow oracle]

obligatory landing video

[wide zenith]

beyond excited

it looks amazing

[rustic charm]

Some MD action

[trim harbor]

md based

[rustic charm]

Absolutely

The exterior of the tfdi looks a bit eh in my opinion though

But I myself wouldn’t mind much, since I only see it when taking screenshots xD

[hollow oracle]

it looks way too grimey

they get dirty, but its never that high contrast

[rustic charm]

I meant even more not in the way weathering is stylised, but I just think it could be made made better. I can’t point out what specifically, it just feels bit eh

[hollow oracle]

thats it

it feels almost too high up?

like a lot of grime is sort of focused on the underside of the fuselage, around panel gaps

[trim harbor]

i like the old and dirty look

especially on the md which is just old

[rustic charm]

I like the old look too

Especially on older planes in modern liveries

[trim harbor]

running away from the sun

[trim harbor]

begone darkness

[trim harbor]

aeroflots livery is so nice

[hollow oracle]

definitely top 5 for me

sucks that the government sucks, because id love to visit russia one day

[reef isle]

Completely off topic.

After reading a bit about the Stasi and the East German government in general it's gotten pretty hard to fly IFL 🫤

I don't know why, usually this kinds of stuff never affected my flight simming, but this particular area of history is somehow making me feel much "deeper" emotions than usual

[trim harbor]

east germany w

[hollow oracle]

i love flying all the way to an airport, only to find out that the glideslope is going to fuck me over last second

it cant be that some glideslopes just bring you in high/low on the PAPI, and give you alarms as you descend

i dont know much about aviation, but i know for a fact that a glideslope should atleast keep you on the PAPI lights

regardless, now i have a single string of flights all the way between honolulu and kazan russia

[reef isle]

Usual MSFS, it sucks, but it is what it is
I've gotten used to it

[rustic charm]

You get my completely unbiased confirmation here

Totally unbiased

[shadow burrow]

Looked best on this

I’ve seen these at both Manchester and Gatwick irl

Back when Aeroflot was cool

[rustic charm]

“Back when aeroflot was cool” is just such a true statement

Could’ve at least converted these to cargo or something

I wanna fly on some Soviet jets so much but the only way to do that is to visit North Korea

(Or if you’re looking for an IL-96 (which to be fair isn’t Soviet, but you get what I mean) then good luck trying to get a flight that will actually not be cancelled or delayed indefinitely with Cubana)

[shadow burrow]

Even 10-12 years ago it wouldn’t be uncommon to see them flying around

[rustic charm]

Yep

Aeroflot retired Il-96s only in 2014

In 2009 they got rid of the last 154

2007 for the last 134 I think

[shadow burrow]

That's weird because the TU-154 was banned from Europe before the fall of the Soviet Union due to noise complaints.

[shadow burrow]

They still operate for Aeroflot under the Rossiya SFS subsidiary

[shadow burrow]

2005 in manchester

2003 or 4

post ussr but idk when

[shadow burrow]

They only had about 4 or so. The IL-96 was not anywhere near as successful or profitable as the IL-86 was. And because of that Aeroflot sold theirs to other countries. 2 went to become IL-96-300VPUs which occasionally fly to JFK. The IL-96 story was short lived. Mainly because of politics but in turn it was a poorly made aircraft still requiring 3 pilots to fly it and wasn't able to be served at most airports. There was the IL-96M however that used PW2000 engines and a Boeing designed 2 pilot cockpit but no one bought it. It wasn't until 2020 where the IL-96-400M came across as the purely first 2 pilot certified 96, designed from the -400T and -400VPU. But unfortunately it has not got any orders other than military ones

[rustic charm]

They don’t operate for Aeroflot. The special flight squadron is a separate ‘airline’ and it’s reserved for some very special people

[shadow burrow]

154's also ran a ton of Medium Haul Redeye flights to turkey, spain, italy and the canary islands because they were quite good at that

[rustic charm]

154s weren’t bad planes overall tbh

[shadow burrow]

they were keeping this B2 airworthy for a while

idk if it still is

[rustic charm]

Sadly I doubt

[shadow burrow]

It last flew in 2018?

[rustic charm]

Well tbh then it could still be airworthy if they took decent care of it

[shadow burrow]

last i heard was it was airworthy in 2019 but I think it's been moved to the museum now

they took it out for tour flights and airshows

[rustic charm]

Well if it’s in a museum, unless they stripped it off components, then it probably is airworthy indeed

[shadow burrow]

oh and lest we forget this

[trim harbor]

IL62 for msfs PLEASE

i crave the il62

[rustic charm]

I mean, if we’re listing airworthy, then of course there are still ones flying for the government. But as I said, all the seats are booked for only the very special people

[trim harbor]

@shadow burrow tried shared flight yesterday, im honestly so so suprised on how well it works and runs

[shadow burrow]

ikr

[rustic charm]

And talking about 4 rear engines, a VC-10 too pls pls

[shadow burrow]

in beta it was buggy as ass still but would run pretty well

https://www.justflight.com/product/vc10-professional-p3d-fsx

[trim harbor]

tried the 742 and flew the 346

without any issues

[shadow burrow]

this is the only VC10 your gonna get

[rustic charm]

I so hope JF will end up making a MSFS version too

[shadow burrow]

i mean

[trim harbor]

need the f70 first frfr

[shadow burrow]

this is ancient

like 10 years old now

[rustic charm]

After all they are making other planes they’ve done for other sims too. But either way it will take a loooong time

[trim harbor]

does the FSS 727 only have the CIVA does anyone know

[rustic charm]

Honestly no idea, I’m waiting for the pax variant tbh

[trim harbor]

tempted to buy it

altough i'd much prefer a 737-200

[rustic charm]

I was surprised when recently found it’s also sold via JF, really nice

[rustic charm]

Hopefully someone will do one

Maybe FSS even after they’re done with the 72s

[trim harbor]

if theres two planes i really want it's the 732 and 707 series

[rustic charm]

Oh yes

The Famous Flyer 707 should’ve already been released iirc

Even after the initial delay

[trim harbor]

oh wait there'll be a 707 by asobo??

[rustic charm]

Worse

Aeroplane Heaven

[trim harbor]

oh idk them

[rustic charm]

Make a lot of bad planes apparently. They made the 377 and the default DC-3 I think

Their 707 originally should’ve been released on 2nd of July iirc

[shadow burrow]

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/92357-777v2-blackbird/

lmao

@trim harbor

[rustic charm]

But it was delayed then until early September. Don’t remember the exact date, but it should’ve been released by now. So it appears to be delayed until later again

[untold finch]

AH churn them out, so they have very little depth and they are often abandoned pretty quickly

[rustic charm]

I heard their single-prop light aircraft are decent? Though anything bigger seems to be underwhelming

[shadow burrow]

All national airlines were merged under Aeroflot to help with financial gain some years ago. Rossiya became a subsidiary of Aeroflot and that includes SFS. Same happened with Podabeo, Arura, and Donavia.

SFS is simply the subsidiary for military operations. Same planes and pilots but just for a different purpose. The planes also carry the Airlines old livery and didn't adopt the red stars that the modern livery has.

Rossiya is also one of the last operators of the 747-400 for medical transport. Plans were for them to retire in 2024 but due to sanctions the date has been postponed and plans are set for them to re enter service as a domestic aircraft since the 777-300s are aging and parts are sparse

[shadow burrow]

They were a great cheap plane for rough and tough operations but unfortunately like most things from Russia they had no competition against western designs. Hence why they are so rare now.

[shadow burrow]

As a good friend of a few JF developers I can safely say that the planes on their radar are the 747 and L1011. At the moment they are finishing that A300B4 then they will start work on the 747 Classic.

[rustic charm]

I am honestly not sure. You are right about Rossiya (the commercial airline) being under Aeroflot, absolutely. But the Special Flight Squadron is not part of Rossiya since 2009. Since then it is directly under the directorate of the president of Russian Federation

[rustic charm]

That is lovely. A JF L-1011 and 747 Classic? Sign me up

[shadow burrow]

SFS still needs pilots and due to its immense size and largely western populated fleet they get those from the only source logical. Which is Aeroflot Group. Plus Aeroflot is already part of the Russian Federation.

[shadow burrow]

Yes the 747 Classic will most likely become their flagship product. Since it's so complex and such an iconic plane with so many possibilities. Such as the 747-300 and 747SP

[rustic charm]

I knew about the 747 classics being there eventually, didn’t know L-1011 was on the cards

[shadow burrow]

Well Just Flight are developers that prioritise classical aircraft over modern unlike most developers. Their products are some of the best too. Since their team is growing and msfs is such a large platform unlike Xplane or P3D ever was it's only perfect for them to expand their choices

[rustic charm]

Yeah they definitely get pilots from commercial airlines. They don’t have nearly enough flights to have their own staff. Although I wouldn’t say their fleet is largely western aircraft, they only have 2 Dassault Falcons and 2 A319s.

Well, in addition to those 4, they have 16 Tu-204s/Tu-214s which are rather recent and definitely more western-influenced compared to things like Tu-154s

[shadow burrow]

Oh well they used to have many many more. I haven't looked at their fleet to be honest but from reading articles it only mentioned western aircraft.

I do know that when SFS was created they did adopt a massive portion of VVS (Soviet Air Force) planes after the fall of the USSR.

[rustic charm]

Very much possible that they had more. Potentially A310s that got retired since

[shadow burrow]

Yes especially the TU-204/214. Literally no difference in those planes other than where they were built

[rustic charm]

Indeed

Basically copied them off 757s

[shadow burrow]

There is also the TU-234 which was renamed to the -300

[shadow burrow]

Basically

[rustic charm]

Yeah, was meant to be a separate model, but then became just a sub-model

[shadow burrow]

Pretty much. I've seen the original prototype

[rustic charm]

I think the 204s even originally had options for for the same engines as on 757s

[shadow burrow]

That was later. When the USSR fell and Tupolev finally got the ability to use the RB211s

However they are super rare

I remember seeing this as a kid once

[rustic charm]

Indeed, although Tu-204s are not that common by now anyway. I know that SFS has the most of the 204s/214s, Cubana has a couple, Air Koryo does, also Почта России and RedWings

[rustic charm]

Quite unfortunate condition

[rustic charm]

Quickly looked up the numbers specifically for the 204s - SFS has 3, Cubana has 4 (2 pax 2 cargo), Air Koryo has 2, Почта России has 2 (both freighters) and RedWings has 2

So like, 13 total, unless I forgot some other airline

[shadow burrow]

The TU-204 family is peculiar

TU-204-001 = Prototype
TU-204-100 = First Production Model
TU-204-100C = Cargo Variant
TU-204-120 = Western Variant
TU-204-200 = Improved Production model
TU-204-200C = Cargo Variant
TU-204-220 = Western Variant
TU-204-300 = Short Capacity Variant
TU-204-500 = Long Range Variant (all converted to -300s)
TU-205 = Foreign Export Model
TU-206 = Alternative Fuel Research Aircraft
TU-214-200 = Alternative Manufacturered Variant
TU-234 = Long Range Development (Became 214-300)
TU-214-300 = Long Range Variant
TU-204-200SM = Medium Range High Density
TU-204 Production ends
TU-214-200ON = Geology Observation
TU-214-200PU = Airborne Command Post
TU-214-200SR = Communications Relay
TU-214-200SUS = Presidential Communications Relay
TU-214-200R = Special Missions
TU-214-200PU-SBUS = Special Missions
TU-214-200LMK = Flying Laboratory
TU-214 Production ends
UAC Created
TU-214-200M

First TU-204 Vs the Latest TU-214M

[rustic charm]

The family is definitely interesting, so many variants

[shadow burrow]

Well even tho it is a direct copy the airframe still proves to be exceptionally useful

[rustic charm]

It’s probably not a direct copy, I at least hope they made some changes

But yeah, very much influenced by the 757s

[shadow burrow]

Well yeah if your copying anything your going to make changes

[rustic charm]

Also your message shows Russian aviaconstruction very nicely. “Tu-214 production ends.” “UAC created”. “Tu-214-200M”. Just shows exactly that now they’re trying to revive old designs with not too much effort

The real life “Can I copy your homework?” “Sure but change something to not make it obvious”

[shadow burrow]

Well UAC was a thing before the TU-214 ended however I just put the note there to mention that UAC created the TU-214M today. My guess is that the 214M is a backup if the sanctions persist

[rustic charm]

It’s pretty much exactly that

Il-96-400M at this point also is

[shadow burrow]

Yeah I don't really know what their idea is with the -400M

It's a bit far fetched

[rustic charm]

“Compete with Boeing and Airbus in the long range airliner market”

[shadow burrow]

Yeah that ain't working out

The -300 was already a result of the program

[rustic charm]

Except 1) airlines want less engines now and 2) if you wanted that, shouldn’t have left Comac with the C-919

[shadow burrow]

C-929 and C-939 are in development as widebodies

The thing is the IL-96-400M is for the world's tiniest market.

[rustic charm]

Right yeah, 919 is the narrowbody isn’t it

I must’ve confused some of them

[shadow burrow]

Yes the C919 is the A320 looking one

[rustic charm]

But yeah basically, Russia was developing probably the 929 together with China until it wasn’t

Should’ve stayed in the program if they wanted to make their own successful widebody

[rustic charm]

Most of the stuff they’re trying to do ain’t. They decided to revive Yakovlev and make their own narrowbody to compete with the 737 and the a320, except Yakovlev hasn’t designed any airliners (that actually worked and flown) since iirc Yak-42

At the very least the MC-21 actually got built and has done flights already, so maybe it’s not all that bad…

[shadow burrow]

I believe they were developing the CR-929 together and the PD-34 engine but they stopped due to sanctions or something

[shadow burrow]

Yakovlev never died. They produce the YAK-130 which is used to train pilots for the SU-57, SU-75, and many other fighter planes. They also make a bunch of drones.

[rustic charm]

Well yea back then it was Craic CR929

[rustic charm]

True, I meant in terms of airliner production. They did indeed produce military equipment

[shadow burrow]

You can see that Russia is taking a different approach as technology evolves. Before they would make an airliner that is rigged and tough and cheap. But they are not popular in the west and stand no chance.

In the 90s they developed the SU-95 which has proved to be a great airliner but it's only a regional airliner. Now they have a completely homemade aircraft which honestly looks great.

[rustic charm]

Well they didn’t, they do

[shadow burrow]

Yakovlev mainly produces testbed aircraft. Such as the Yak-41. They don't really produce mainstream

[rustic charm]

True, back in the Soviet times the thought was to make airliners that could serve airports that were in quite a bad condition. And also do so cheaply. Both the superjet and the MC-21 are vastly different. The Superjet is very popular in Russia now. Rossiya has tons. Smaller airlines also fly a bunch of them. Plus I expect in the future others might get them too, like Pobeda, if the sanctions persist, will probably have to go for a Russian fleet. I hope that MC-21 also becomes successful, it seems a rather nice design, it honestly looks good, and it’s probably copied off western aircraft it is, I think truly Russian-made in the sense that it doesn’t rely on foreign parts

[shadow burrow]

I flew on an SU-95 once and it was great. Manchester to Brussels. More spacious than an Ejet. The MC-21 looks great. And it's designed to be affordable. However the project has probably been costly to get that far

[rustic charm]

Yeah, it’s probably cost a fair bit, but under UAC they won’t have any slight fear of bankruptcy, which, in my opinion, is kinda good. It’s been delayed, I’m pretty sure the launch should’ve been in 2022, but now is planned for 2025/2026

[rustic charm]

Don’t think I’ve been on a Superjet yet, I’m mostly on Aeroflot and they don’t fly any right now (all given to Rossiya), and when they did, I still have mostly flown routes that are longer than those jets usually fly

[shadow burrow]

Well Russia has been an absolute failure in terms of politics and government rule. After the fall of the USSR the Russian Federation was supposed to bring freedom and prosperity to the republic of Russia and Siberia because the country was quite literally bankrupt. The USSR spent all their money on the Space program and had little care for the future. They lost everything even their territory. Russia became an ally to the US and the West in its first years of independence however after Boris Yeltin died and Putin was Elected the country went downhill.

Fast forward to nowadays it's becoming no better than how it was pre 1991. Russia fell out with China after they had a massive disagreement over supplying SU-33 Flanker aircraft and SU-57 to China and India causing them to pull out of the CR-929 program. There was also massive outburst when Russia went for Georgia and Ukraine.

[rustic charm]

Well the USSR wasn’t bad really apart from the latest years leading to its breakup, but I guess best not to talk about politics much

Aviation-wise, right now it’s questionable whether it’s better or not. Obviously there are many more companies now and therefore much more possibility for air travel, but for a period there was no civil aircraft production whatsoever, and right now it’s going tough. I guess we just have to wait and see

[shadow burrow]

Well from the 80s onwards it was pretty much all downhill

[rustic charm]

Well mid-late 80s yeah. Early 80s was ‘acceptable’

From then it was indeed downhill

[shadow burrow]

Aviation wise I feel it could have been so much better. There are so many projects planned to collaborate with the western world that were just forgotten or never successful

• Beriev A-40
• Ilyushin IL-96M
• Sukhoi SU-95-100 Superjet
• Antonov AN-124-200
• Antonov AN-124M
• Tupolev TU-204-220
• Sukhoi SU-57FA
• Yakolov YAK-130 program (M-346)

[rustic charm]

Definitely. Could’ve been much better

And it would’ve been much better if, instead of just swapping all the fleets to use western aircraft in the late 2000s, they did their best to design their own in collaboration with the western companies and that would meet western standards

That would be ideal. And probably could even happen if the production was united under one entity, like UAC, earlier, and if such entity would be ready to work with other manufacturers

[shadow burrow]

Well that's what they did but the designs were never accepted by the west and they were never popular even in the east. They simply just preferred to go either way rather than mix. Which is kinda of sad because of both sides were to collaborate the outcomes would be incredible but there's always something that prevents it

[shadow burrow]

Well that's the thing UAC has already got hatred from Airbus, Boeing, and other manufacturers simply for not cooperating or just completely taking over projects. Like the M346 which split and became the M346 and Yak130

[shadow burrow]

Rate the PC setup

[hollow oracle]

thats...

[wide zenith]

gatters

[hollow oracle]

projectile vomiting at the sight of easyjet

[echo gorge]

Yes yes you hate them, we're aware

[rustic charm]

I assume since that is Fenix, you double the ‘projectile vomiting’?

[hollow oracle]

im flying the fenix right now

[rustic charm]

Also btw

easyJem

You got your RW AP320 reskin, now need the MSFS version 🤣

[wide zenith]

True 😂 not looked into msfs liveries file structure but maybe one day 🤔

G-EZJM

conveniently this fella

73 classics wen :(

[echo gorge]

I wish

[hollow oracle]

i hit a geometry error on takeoff and flew so high up that volanta thought i landed

its also saying "GPS PRIMARY LOST" even though ive had no issues in flight so far

cabin altitude pressure is going insane, for some reason the vertical speed will rapidly go to thousands of ft per minute, and then back down, right now its sitting at 9150ft for the cabin pressure

this is the first time have had an aircraft literally crash

[hollow oracle]

every time i try to give the fenix a chance, it realizes im having fun flying it and then kills itself

the only thing i did differently was use 2x simrate through the MCDU, but it was going along just fine the entire flight (minus the bugged runway and faults), out of nowhere all this shit went wrong

[shadow burrow]

easyJet is easily the best budget airline

[shadow burrow]

Skill issue

[wide zenith]

final

[hollow oracle]

and they killed one of my favorite upcoming bands

because they had the word "easy" in their band name

[shadow burrow]

Lol

[untold finch]

i thought they just renamed the band?

as of like 3 months ago

[hollow oracle]

Yes, but for like 6 months they had to stop

[untold finch]

ah

[rustic charm]

Crosswindy?

[rustic charm]

Now that, that I’d fly

[trim harbor]

11/10 plane and livery

[hollow oracle]

damnit

beyondATC doesnt give you an option to rectify callsigns, im doing a US airways flight and it gave me the callsign "silk" for some reason?

[shadow burrow]

Probably because it's damn Early Access and it's only designed for modern day 😭

[hollow oracle]

youd think that it would atleast have data of the most common airlines, both past and present, i bet you that if you set up a pan-am flight it would give you the clipper callsign

US airways has only been gone for less than a decade

i ALWAYS forget to start the timer before takeoff

[hollow oracle]

i cant say ive ever seen an approach with a mandatory hold baked in

[lethal jasper]

I dont even bother with the chronos, And I rarely ever get mandated holds even when shown on charts by atc on vatsim xD

[hollow oracle]

yeah, i ended up not even doing the full hold, just a loop around and in, i figured its incase theres traffic they can hold you until your ready to go, its just published because its so common

[shadow burrow]

Early access bud. It's not gonna have everything yet

[rustic charm]

Doesn’t beyondatc just take the data off your simbrief plan?

[tired pond]

To a point

It might switch runways and approaches

[rustic charm]

Yeah, that's realistic too. I meant the callsign and flight number

To be fair I haven't tried it because I'd need a vpn to do so, so anything I say might be incorrect

[trim harbor]

Yeah ngl, It‘s Early Access

You expect too much man

[woeful elbow]

Morning

[shadow burrow]

Pretty much. It then mixes it with in game navdata

[echo latch]

Hi

over london

well on aproach

to heathrow

[woeful elbow]

well im on approach to lgw just had a runway switch

[woeful elbow]

dk why cant find the 737 max 8 on xplane 11

[dusky leaf]

https://il2sturmovik.com/store/battle-of-normandy/

IL2 sale on

[woeful elbow]

anyone know why the 737ng levelup has no pa announcements

[reef isle]

I think CIVA and GPS

they're planning on their own FMC later ™️

[reef isle]

I geniunely want to do EasyJem now

I'd kill for a good 73CL

I often check if the IXEG is on discount but it never is either 😭

why 85USD

[rustic charm]

I would too 😭

(My lawyer advised me to say it is a joke)

[reef isle]

ah yes thanks for the reminder, mine was also purely a comedic line that doesn't reflect my real desires and feelings

[woeful elbow]

Anyone have a working 737 ng for xp 11 with cabin announcements?

[rustic charm]

Wait in xp you can have cabin announcements?

[woeful elbow]

zibo has it

Ok found a max 7 rynair

with working pa xd

[woeful elbow]

omg the max 7 rockets

[full plank]

is that the WW max or whatever?

[woeful elbow]

nope

[hollow oracle]

its kind of funny how my top two worst landings ever have been british airways

that 787 landing was probably enough to bend the fuselage

[rustic charm]

Everyone has a bad day occasionally

I did today for Petersburg. The previous 2 times I nailed it. This time it was a roller coaster and I had to go around (athough didn't have time so just ended the flight there)

[shadow burrow]

Chronic Back Pain ☠️

[hollow oracle]

good ryanair landing though

[reef isle]

first A321 flight 😄

[reef isle]

I think I got the full experience, if I didn't tail strike, I got really close 😛

[rustic charm]

Hahah that happens xD

Just make sure to hope your plane doesn’t fall apart mid-air then

I expect it’s gonna be something similar for me once I get the 739 lol

[hollow oracle]

I have never tailstriked before

[shadow burrow]

Uuuuuuggghhhhh when is someone gonna make an A340 🥲😭

[hollow oracle]

I get hard landings, but I’ve never had a tail strike, the only time I’ve had a major issue on takeoff was when I was doing an aer lingus flight in the fenix and got blown off the runway

[rustic charm]

LVFR xD

[shadow burrow]

Don't u even dare ☠️

[shadow burrow]

guess who forgot to do oceanic clearance

me

because I'm a retard

[shadow burrow]

• Boom Reddit AMA

[trim harbor]

Whats the context

[shadow burrow]

Boom CEO does Reddit AMA basically saying that they might release there sim model for the sim

[trim harbor]

Ayo w

Dont let the msfs fanboys see that

[eager moon]

Matlab dear god

[reef isle]

Certified VATSIM UK moment 🇬🇧

[lethal jasper]

wallop and a million

[reef isle]

the landing traffic did, but the SUP contacted me first, thinking it was me

[trim harbor]

norffolk southern whats ur functionnn 🎵

[alpine coral]

[shadow burrow]

Boom is destined to fail I don't get why they even bother trying 😭

[shadow burrow]

I had someone do a runway flyby in an AN225 going the opposite direction just as I was lining up at Gatwick. 😭☠️

[hollow oracle]

it turns out im slow

i cant even get my own hyperfixations right

USA was only used up until 2008, AWE was used 2008-2015, and im 99% sure that will be in BATC