Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[reef isle]

cool, good luck 😄

Oh, and also use charts

for speed and altitude restrictions

[tardy hedge]

airport charts?

[reef isle]

and in general, seeing procedures

[tardy hedge]

dude ive been trying to find those

idk where to

[reef isle]

Airport, SIDs, STARs, etc..

[reef isle]

Either Navigraph, or a free service like Chartfox

[tardy hedge]

i know theres a addon which adds them

[wide zenith]

if you fail to understand most will type in freq text after a few tries

[reef isle]

Yeah, last time I flew in south korea I was struggling to understand the ground controller and he typed a few things in chat

it's fine, unless it's busy

[wide zenith]

knowing terms like abeam and knowing how put your aircraft on a hold (which you can usually predict when you will and where on charts)

yeah thats another point don't fly into a event on your first flight (i totally didnt do this)

[tardy hedge]

these crt screen flickers make me COOM

[rustic charm]

Tbh I’m just too scared to join VatSim ngl

Like, considering I can mess up a lot of stuff

[tardy hedge]

descend into EYVI

yay

[wide zenith]

I get that, I think the first few tries I was shaking and my friend had to calm me down on VC

[rustic charm]

Also consider that literally nobody covers Alaska lol

[wide zenith]

its okay tho vatsim, i used it for a month or so and then I've sorta just not bothered

my use case of the sim is usually flying where I want on a whim, so having to mental gymnastics for atc coverage is exhausting a lot of times i'd get to the destination only for atc to log off and some 13y/o is descending 2 miles behind me to then spice me on the ils forcing me to go around

sometimes unicom can be great, other times its... eh

[wide zenith]

yeah.. on a normal day its basically western europe and sporadic east and west coast usa stuff

[rustic charm]

Like, I’ve occasionally seen Anchorage approach be marked on Volanta. Not much else

And I think half of the airports I fly to don’t even have proper ATC coverage

Like, Sitka doesn’t even have a tower frequency for example

[scarlet iris]

[tardy hedge]

flight complete

surprisingly my landing was smooth

not a ryanair moment

[mild zenith]

Why pmdg stairs

[tardy hedge]

CUZ IDK HOW TO change them

[rustic charm]

I don’t use anything for ground equipment either, just standard PMDG

I don’t really care about it that much

[mild zenith]

There are tutorials on youtube

[tardy hedge]

same tbh

[mild zenith]

Don't you have gsx?

[rustic charm]

I don’t tbh

[reef isle]

me neither

[rustic charm]

I just don’t really care considering that my goal always is to get into the air as quick as possible

Like, in a small airport, if I’m not distracted, I’m gonna have 5 minutes from loading in to takeoff

[reef isle]

https://dxhb0it26is40.cloudfront.net/Just_Flight_F28_Professional_V2_Update_Feature_List.pdf

@echo gorge

[echo gorge]

Ooh lovely

[rustic charm]

Noice

[rustic charm]

Also this is noice too

The only thing that puts me off a bit is the price, it’s €100 for the maddogs. But at some point I will get them

[reef isle]

A long time ago I won a €30 something gift card for Simmarket and with enough mental gymnastics I managed to convince myself I was only paying €60 for the plane

it's really good, but it's extremely overpriced

but in terms of systems and FM it's no worse than PMDG or Fenix

I actually think the FM is one of the best in the sim

[rustic charm]

To be fully fair it’s €100 for 3 variants. PMDG charge $75 for one. But at the same time the MD is €75 for one…

[reef isle]

it's not...

it's just the MD-82

the other 2 variants are €35

[rustic charm]

I know

Although I thought the other 2 were 25

[reef isle]

oh yeah maybe

[echo gorge]

The maddog is genuinely my favorite overall plane in the sim

It's overpriced compared to the pmdg 73s and Fenix but imo is better than either of them (except the sounds, but there's a decent soundmod)

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRy0X4GKg8E
Genuinely gorgeous details on this

[rustic charm]

Looks very nice

[lethal jasper]

Can't wait to see ppl flying at FL800 😂

[untold finch]

Passing concordes like it's nothing

[shadow burrow]

The fact you think that makes you better than about 90% of vatsim pilots

Try a first wings event

They are specifically made for people new to vatsim with controllers who are more than understanding

Also do it in a plane you can actually fly

[crisp adder]

https://stormbirds.blog/2024/08/05/just-flight-details-f28-professional-v2-update/

[hollow oracle]

thats a thing???

this whole time i was TERRIFIED to try out vatsim, pretty much a no-go

i think i want to practice some more with beyondATC though, and i still cant turn on traffic in MSFS

[shadow burrow]

Yeah lmao

They happen every month or so roughly

[hollow oracle]

i had to uninstall MSFS from my laptop, it was eating up the 2TB very rapidly, and im eventually going to get a newer, larger, faster drive thatll be more capable of running it

[shadow burrow]

This is the next one

Oh wait no I can’t read

This is elite wings 😂😂😂

[lethal jasper]

xD

[rustic charm]

Yeah that’s bit on the opposite side xD

[untold finch]

727F is out

[trim harbor]

I‘d love a small tldr review if someoke buys it

Knowing it‘s FSS holds me back

[rustic charm]

There’s a bunch of videos already. From what I watched, it’s quite damn nice

Btw it costs €33.57, which is quite nice to be fair

[rustic charm]

Tbh just a shame with the 72 that they’re not planning to do the -100

[untold finch]

imo only the E-Jets had a rough start, their Tecnams are good and I think this is the same team as those

[rustic charm]

Yeah iirc this is completely separate from the E-Jets

[reef isle]

I've flow the ini A320 ONCE Just to help out a friend of mine that was struggling with it and HOLY CRAP it's HORRIBLE

I genuinely prefer the Default FSX A321

The flight model and FBW are terrible

I don't understand how people fly it

The only way to enjoy that ""plane"" is to put the A/P on at 20ft and disconnect it after ROLLOUT

Just use the FBW...

[untold finch]

https://tenor.com/view/vindication-brooklyn-99-captain-holt-gif-12962717

[wide zenith]

oh the 727 released

https://www.aerosoft.com/en/shop/flight/microsoft-flight-simulator/msfs-aircraft/4352/flightsim-studio-b727-freighter?sPartner=cF57sM45

[crisp adder]

Urgh, Aerosoft...it's not being sold at other places?

[wide zenith]

its sold on contrail in a week i think

13 august feselite says

[trim harbor]

I just dislike the concept of „early access“ for a plane

Like im fine with it missing advanced features (e.g failures) but cmon

The very basics, FMC, VNAV/LNAV should be there

Especially considering their steep price and only selling 1(!) at a time insread of together

[untold finch]

The DCS way of doing business

[echo gorge]

I especially dislike that it's apparently not gonna be a feature until the new sim at least

If the fmc causes you this much trouble then develop planes without (which luckily they seem to have taken to heart)

[wide zenith]

I'm waiting till the lnav/vnav gets added before i bother reinstalling it

[echo gorge]

Yeah same

It's a shame, everything else with the plane is decent, but a modern tube is nothing without its computers

[untold finch]

It has LNAV and has for ages, it's VNAV that is missing

imo it's perfectly flyable without it, just gotta use lvl chg a fair bit

[echo gorge]

It still uses default lnav though right? So you're fucked if you're trying to fly stars on vatsim

[wide zenith]

pretty sure its default yeah

with a simple TOD calculation and a bit of watching your plane on the STAR/SIDs to make sure you're following the restrictions its flyable ig

[wide zenith]

but basically this

its getting good tho i agree

[rustic charm]

Indeed, it actually released very early today

It was early morning genuinely

I’m gonna probably buy it bit later

But it do be looking good

I just hope it handles fine on keyboard

(I need to get some controller finally)

[untold finch]

i'll grab it when it comes out on contrail

cba with aerosoft's store

[rustic charm]

Is it bad? I've got no experience with them

[reef isle]

noooooooooooooooo

I've commited the cardinal sin

I can't believe it

I landed on 15 instead of 19 in DCA

I even thought about it beforehand, and was about to go around and for some reason I thought "oh no, it's fine"

whyyyyyyy am I like this

[rustic charm]

Wait what

You landed incorrectly?

[reef isle]

yeah

[rustic charm]

On the wrong runway

[reef isle]

see, when you do the river visual this is the picture you have

[reef isle]

yes

so I did the red thing in stead of the green one

I'm so disappointed in myself

I know it's a fairly common mistake, but come on... I should have known better

[rustic charm]

To be honest if you’re trying to follow the river, after that bend it could be quite intuitive to go for 15, cause you have runway in sight, approach lights and all

[reef isle]

yep

[rustic charm]

That’s why I usually just go for ILS xD

Although flying the river visual for LGA was fun

[reef isle]

I also had a good lesson in confirmation bias, as I checked my heading around this point (which I've marked in orange) to double check I wasn't going for 15, but because I was pointed more to the right of course I was more around a 170° course, so just because it fitted my mental model better I just decided "oh it's fine", but of course it wasn't because I would have needed the left turn later

[rustic charm]

Well of course, confirmation bias can play a big role

[reef isle]

Those are the moments were you really feel the lack of a pilot monitoring

[rustic charm]

I mean, pilots irl have landed on wrong runways because of it

[reef isle]

yep

but it's always very humbling when you fall in the same "psychological trap" that you think you understand and try to avoid

but all it takes is a slightly higher workload and a stressful situation and all of that goes out the window

oh well... good thing this wasn't real life I guess... 😅

[rustic charm]

I expect in reality landing on a wrong runway once, as long as it hasn’t caused anything serious, will probably just get you an angry talk and a slap on the wrist. Especially in such situations where it’s an easy mistake to make

[shadow burrow]

Easily avoided if you have charts up on your 2nd monitor

[reef isle]

sad thing is, I had 🥲

[shadow burrow]

Ah

[reef isle]

yeah, there's really no excuse

[echo gorge]

I just love the airports with TAXI in massive letters on the taxiway, you always know someone done fucked up

[shadow burrow]

Then unfortunately I must declare this a “skill issue”

[rustic charm]

Someone landed there

[echo gorge]

Still not as bad as landing at an entirely different airport lol

[shadow burrow]

If you do the LROP approach and look at the references there is a big page saying “don’t land at banesa you dimwit”

I still don’t understand how that would even be possible 😂😭😂

[rustic charm]

That’s why I love airports with 1 runway, no mistakes to make xD

If you ain’t landing on the runway at Sitka, then you ain’t landing in Sitka

[echo gorge]

Honestly though with the river visual, it's insanely high workload so (especially if it's your first time doing the procedure) I think it's a fair enough mistake to makd

[shadow burrow]

Try the Portland harbour visual

That one is really really nice

[rustic charm]

Which one of Portlands

[echo gorge]

Indeed

The good one

[reef isle]

I think what would have definitely prevented it (and something I'll always do from now on) is if I would have bothered to align the CRS with RWY Heading I would have had a clear and impossible to misinterpret visual cue that it was the wrong runway

[rustic charm]

Ah, so Portland, ME

[echo gorge]

Yup

[shadow burrow]

Lobster one

[echo gorge]

Love watching the jets come in over the harbor

[rustic charm]

(Obviously I know which one when Doc says “The good one”)

[shadow burrow]

I think also running xp default scenery makes this 5x harder

[reef isle]

yeah, it definitely doesn't help ahahah

but still a big skill issue 😅

I'm so annoyed I did that uff...

I haven't made a big mistake like this in a long time

[rustic charm]

Ah come on, it’s fine

[echo gorge]

At least you didn't go into one of the prohibited areas

[rustic charm]

You landed at the correct airport after all

[reef isle]

ahahah yeah true

[reef isle]

Yeah, I got lucky there wasn't much traffic as well

[rustic charm]

True, ain’t there a fair bit over DC?

[echo gorge]

And it's the 732, the river visual is hard enough in the 73ng, it's even harder when you're fully /w

[echo gorge]

Yep, just to the left of the river

[reef isle]

I think the first time I tried to do the 4 stack visual into KBUR I lined up with the wrong airport the first time, at least I recognized it and went around that time 😛

[shadow burrow]

Try it in a dc3

[echo gorge]

At least there you're slow

[rustic charm]

I just opened a chart for Portland’s harbor visual and… I don’t like what I see. Probably fun to fly though

[shadow burrow]

With tower online?

Separation to maintain?

I did this for one of the blossom events last year I think

[echo gorge]

Honestly though, I think it's fair enough to take a mulligan for your first attempt at the harbor and (especially) the river visual, though perhaps it's best to do that offline 😅

[shadow burrow]

Cherry blossom something?

[echo gorge]

Ah yeah, that'd be hard

[rustic charm]

Nah, best to do it on Vatsim actually to have the ATC yell “(Your callsign) where the fuck are you going?!”

[echo gorge]

"Possible pilot deviation, please take down this number"

[shadow burrow]

Flew in from I think KIND and got - 900 something FPM because I was doing about 120 knots

Got cleared for below 140knts at about 3 miles

[echo gorge]

Yikes

[rustic charm]

Seriously though, “Noise sensitive area” why should I care 😭

[echo gorge]

Because congress critters live there and can legislate you out of existance

[shadow burrow]

I think it’s more to do with the big us government building with Sam sites on the top

[rustic charm]

True

[shadow burrow]

The hexagon or something?

Idk

[echo gorge]

Pentagon, Capitol and the naval observatory all have p areas

[shadow burrow]

I might actually fly out of DCA next year

Planning a US trip before the acelas fuck off for good

[echo gorge]

Dunno if the observatory has sams, but the others do

[shadow burrow]

I would be surprised if they all don’t

[rustic charm]

Yeah but what is there in Portland. The chart literally just says “noise sensitive area”.

[shadow burrow]

Oh

Marine preservation ig?

[rustic charm]

It’s all over land

It’s just suburbs

[shadow burrow]

The lobsters shit themselves if they hear a 319

[rustic charm]

It’s just nimbys

[shadow burrow]

Well no

[echo gorge]

Nah, it's people who live in the mansions in cape Elizabeth

Right under the ils lmao

[shadow burrow]

There is nimbyism and then there is living under the direct flight path of big jets

[rustic charm]

Well true

[shadow burrow]

I live at about 10dme under Heathrow 27

[echo gorge]

Quite

[shadow burrow]

Even here when they are at 3500 it’s really quite loud

[rustic charm]

Tbh I wouldn’t really like hearing jets all night long, so it’s fair

[shadow burrow]

We also get city 09 at about 7ish dme just before they make the turn for the ILS and they are really loud

Even little ejets and q400’s

So noise abatement I can understand

Even if it does seem really stupid

[rustic charm]

My secondary home’s quite close to Vnukovo, and I assume under one of the STARs cause planes often pass right above the area when inbound for the airport. And hell, I can still easily hear triples even when they pass the area at like 10k

[shadow burrow]

I’m writing this just as a Sri Lankan 333 just flew over

[echo gorge]

I'm right under the flightpath of lifeflight helos as they decend towards the hospital, I've gotten used to it but I can very much see how it can be a real bother

(Which I'm sure is just giving @uneven fern more evidence to doxx me)

[shadow burrow]

I mean I have pretty much given my location away fairly well here

[echo gorge]

True lol

[shadow burrow]

I work for an airline so planes don’t bother me

737 taxiing into stand while your stood on the apron with no ear protection is quite bad for you

[echo gorge]

I can imagine

[rustic charm]

Yeah, sounds like very fucking loud

[echo gorge]

My office is right near the end of the runway, and while the building itself is very well insulated, when you're outside it it gets very loud, and that's a good couple hundred feet away

[shadow burrow]

A lot of airports have closures at stupid hours

In Europe especially even when it isn’t mandated they usually don’t have arrivals past midnight

For London Stansted is about the only one that doesn’t do this and that’s because there is fuck all around it

[echo gorge]

On the subject of closures, a SWA plane ignored the notams (and atc telling them they weren't clear) and took off something like 20 seconds after a construction vehicle left the runway at pwm about a month back

[rustic charm]

The pilot got into trouble surely

[echo gorge]

SWA is a special airline

Yeah it's under investigation, I doubt the pilot will enjoy the results

[shadow burrow]

We keep having crew get stranded after overnights because they don’t have there BRC’s with them (British residence cards) for people on non eu visas

Ryanair is in a state

[echo gorge]

Incredible

[shadow burrow]

We also have a smaller scheduling department than Icelandair I’ve just found out

That’s why everything is so fucked

Usually

[echo gorge]

Ryanair's got like 10 times the fleet and number of destinations, that's nuts

[shadow burrow]

We have 598 aircraft atm compared to the 45 of icelandair

[rustic charm]

Yeah that's not gonna go well...

[shadow burrow]

That number is gonna increase by about 150 ish in the next 3 years as well

Max10 coming in and the catchup of max8200 orders

[uneven fern]

Wait.. we have a flight sim area?

[rustic charm]

Yeah

For a while

[echo gorge]

I'm sure everyone here will enjoy watching you systematically target every IKEA in the world that's near an airport

[rustic charm]

Best part of flight sim is planning the whole flight yourself because you don't like what SimBrief gives

[echo gorge]

It is the way

[rustic charm]

Also I've been flying the 737 for half a year now and I did not know until now that there was another style of the MCP...

[echo gorge]

Honestly manually planning flights is super fun. It's just rather boring when it's flights with rnav

[rustic charm]

Yeah

I loved every second of planning what I do with the Fokker

Gotta make sure the points I use all have VOR and they are close enough to use it, cause otherwise, I'll get lost right after the takeoff from Miami and crash somewhere in the Pacific not far off the coast of Australia

Anyway, gonna now take off from Newark and head to Portland to just do the visual

(It's gonna be a pain without detailed scenery, and my internet can't handle it)

[echo gorge]

I'll make sure to wave lol

[rustic charm]

I'll wave back... probably... idk where you are...

(You can imagine me flying the whole approach while waving at the screen)

I just spent a bunch of time planning cause SimBrief decided it's a good idea to fly literally half of the distance just direct to the destination airport. That ain't fun, plus that would've put me in a questionable position to do the visual

That's quite a flight

[reef isle]

sorry, I didn't mean to delete everything.

Yeah I'm waiting for ini to fix the Beluga autothrottle to fly that

it's when they flew the Beluga to Baikonur cosmodrome

[rustic charm]

Oh, didn't know that happened

[reef isle]

(this)

[rustic charm]

Transporting something I assume

Like, something space-related I mean

[reef isle]

yeah, IIRC a satellite? I'll try and see if I can find it

"Airbus had previously used one of its Belugas nearly two decades ago to ferry a satellite to the Baikonur cosmodrome."

[rustic charm]

Was quite a while ago

[reef isle]

yeah, I think it still had the old livery

it was this satellite
https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/eutelsat-w3a.htm (Eutelsat W3A)

I can't find a photo of it unfortunately

[rustic charm]

Well yeah it's probably not the most photographed thing

[reef isle]

you'd be surprised, there's a very cool and forgotten site full of photos of when it went to north europe for another space related thing

I'm trying to find it again

[rustic charm]

Well no I meant the satellite

[reef isle]

oh yeah sorry

fair

[rustic charm]

Beluga is of course a very photographed thing lol

Any avgeek that can take a pic of it, will

[reef isle]

https://web.archive.org/web/20060202225250/http://www.astro.utu.fi/EGal/Entrn/Herschel0.html

anyway, found it

finding out random stuff like this is one of my favourite things about flight simulation ahahah

it's a great excuse to look for information and other random stuff you would never think about searching

[rustic charm]

For me the favourite thing is probably "So... you just... sit for hours?"

[reef isle]

ahahah yeah

[rustic charm]

Same thing as with train simulation lol

Meanwhile I started the descent

(Doc, start looking out of the window, you’ll see me!)

(What you’ll see is probably me failing to land btw and resorting to ILS)

[echo gorge]

[echo gorge]

Honestly that's fairly understandable if it happens, it's really easy to be too high and fast, it feels like you're further from the airport than you actually are

[rustic charm]

It already kinda happened

But for all the wrong reasons

I’m still gonna do the visual

But I was too busy chatting on Discord so I am 0 flaps, gear up already over water

It’s easy to get distracted when there are things distracting you

Messed up the second attempt as well, was way off the centreline

Welp, I landed

It was quite smooth

Everything else was quite bad

[neat stirrup]

somewhere near Hawaii

[rustic charm]

This is funny and sad at the same time. In one word: laughable. I think I'll stick to other approaches for now

The landing btw was -106fpm with 0.98G, cause Volanta didn’t wanna load the stats

[trim harbor]

https://www.reddit.com/r/flightsim/s/0598QxUtcz

[wide zenith]

lets go

[hollow oracle]

i honestly didnt even know KPIT had a freight apron

let alone took in freight flights, especially amazon/sun country

[tardy hedge]

idk but the ATC for me pushback tug just stopped working

no idea what happened

nice

for some reason its saying theres no destination path after abbot

even though there is

thank you boeing

[tardy hedge]

uhmm

can anyone help

idk what i did but my game paused and im in this view

[reef isle]

Press Y

[tardy hedge]

wtf stupid button

lost so much fuel cuz i needed to do the take off again cuz of the slew mode button

[tardy hedge]

YES im finally on a busy airway

omg the traffic <333

[rustic charm]

It shows you the path there all correctly

You can see that there is the path on the screen

If it didn’t recognise the path after the waypoint, it’d first of all show route discontinuity and also on the screen the path would just end at the waypoint

[tardy hedge]

ik

but the route is completely correct

its just that the MCDU kept telling me that no dest path was set

[rustic charm]

Weird

[rustic charm]

Basically, give it more time to descend pretty much

[tardy hedge]

stanstead moment

how to tell you're in the netherlands: everythings flat

[wide zenith]

yummy terminal building

[rustic charm]

You can't park there mate

[uneven fern]

It’s our new drop off service. You skip the jet bridges / walking and take you directly to your car

[rustic charm]

More like

Directly to the ambulance that already awaits

[uneven fern]

Free trip to the hospital

Anyone get the new 727 Freighter yet?

[rustic charm]

Not yet, folks seem to not want to get it off Aerosoft store so I take it as advice lol

[uneven fern]

Yeah, that’s one reason why I’m holding off

[reef isle]

I'm happy with the Xplane one for the time being. I might buy the 737MAX or the RJ first

[hollow oracle]

general aviation continues to elude me

you are so low, so slow, and so small, and you get thrown around a TON because of all 3

the rules are completely different too

[echo gorge]

It takes a bit of an adjustment in mindset to do vfr on vatsim, but it's incredibly rewarding

[trim harbor]

Alot of controllers dont know how to deal with VFR lol

[echo gorge]

I've had good luck in both California centers and Boston, can't speak for the other centers

[hollow oracle]

im terrified to do VATSIM, let alone VATSIM and VFR

[eager moon]

I've seen people say this for years, but never seen any actual evidence of this

When I was doing ARC training VFR stuff was also in the first lessons

At both ARTCCS I started at

Also you should be starting with slow GA and VFR before you ever touch IFR, let alone tubes

There's a reason they do it that way IRL too

I genuinely don't understand the fear of GA and VFR in the flight sim community

[echo gorge]

I get that for people who's main interest is tubes it seems unnecessary, but ga ifr is so much easier to start with than tubes, everything's just so much less hurried and you're a lot less likely to get task saturated

On the other hand if you want to get task saturated then taking the f28 into zla is a good shout

[shadow burrow]

London Centre at 8pm on a Friday

Try that

[crisp adder]

I only really got into flight simming in 2020 during the pandemic with only a very basic understanding of aviation. Using the stock 152, flying VFR in regions I know from IRL was a great way to learn the ropes.

Later I practiced IFR procedures with the analog instruments, flying VOR based routes, learning how to fly ILS approaches etc. When I frlt confident translating those skills to more complex planes and later tubeliners was quite easy. Even today where I mostly fly airliners when time permits, I occasionally like to fly something like the DA-42 in VFR.

[reef isle]

Just like flying /A, it's fine in the US, in Europe it depends on what controller you meet and in what country you're flying.
Germany is most likely going to be fine, the rest, it depends on the individual controller.

[rustic charm]

I don’t think I flown VFR pretty much at all lol

Closest was the 2 visual approaches I’ve done, but both were backed by instruments after all too.

Also don’t even remember when was the last time I’ve flown with any ATC at all

[wide zenith]

never do much of it either but one time at Edinburgh two props were doing circuits likely friends of the controller and watched them takeoff ahead of me, whilst following my SID I got to see them land too

big fan of VFR traffic on vatsim

and adds a bit more for you to do as you have to acknowledge local traffic ect

[uneven fern]

I’ never done vatsim

[echo gorge]

Honestly the most fun I had on vatsim was going into a big zla event vfr in the Comanche, flitting around watching the big tubes come and go was very fun, and the controllers were incredibly accommodating

Messing around with transit routes through bravo airspace is also a lot of fun (though not something I'd recommend for a a first flight)

[untold finch]

Got a bit of a different view of this airport today. I'm sure someone here will recognise it.

[wide zenith]

big luton

an easyjem base afterall

[untold finch]

yep! passed over the end of 25 at about 2200 feet

super easy to get VFR clearance across

[rustic charm]

The fact that Jem already makes EasyJem jokes as well means that someone who knows how to here might need to take one of the EasyJet liveries and make a special edition for Jem that would instead say EasyJem on the plane

[reef isle]

New plane to learn, because FlightSimLabs is too slow with their CONC

[rustic charm]

Lovely thing

[abstract mural]

Chinook is finally here

[mortal furnace]

Chinook maybe here but onretech just pulled apart the top half of there map

[untold finch]

Yeah, I saw that. They were already fairly unpopular for not bothering with a patch for over a year since releasing their map, but to then delete half of a country without any word of warning? Ridiculous.

[untold finch]

Gorgeous shots, really need to fly the Tiffy more.

[mortal furnace]

Yea paid for something to get taken away, Problem is this is not a Razbam situation, I bet 100% war in the region hence why they removed it to stop people making dcs vids to real world

Now if they came out and said that fine it can be re added but without warning is a pisstake

ED are creating a rod for there own back also

[untold finch]

I've not been keeping up to date with everything they've been up to, but from what i've seen, player discontent is the worst it's ever been

I was initially planning on taking a break for 6-12 months, but I'm becoming less and less inclined to bother re-installing it at this point

[mortal furnace]

Im not even buying anything ED anymore

[rustic charm]

Gorgeous, or you could say, Georgeous

[echo gorge]

Which map?

[echo gorge]

Yeah its been similar for me, it's a shame as the phantom and kiowa look incredible but the whole razbam thing makes me incredibly hesitant to buy anything third party in case ED stiffs another dev

[wide zenith]

Just caught light of the sao paulo flat spin crash

seems to be caused by an icing issue, which the ATRs and by extension twin props are prominent to have. very sad

[mortal furnace]

@echo gorge sinai map removed the top part ive requested refund

[echo gorge]

Ah, yeah I can both understand why they did it, but also completely understand how it's kind of an integral part of the map

[trim harbor]

Really??

[mortal furnace]

Due to urga media map dispute

[full plank]

makes me wanna reinstall P3D just for the Concorde

[echo gorge]

Doesn't losing the top part mean you've lost all idf bases?

While I've very little interest playing as (or even against) them rn, losing them seems fatal to the map's concept

[mortal furnace]

Correct been like it for a year and now urga complain

[reef isle]

did my first flight 🙂

I need to understand how to do navigation, I just relied on navigraph and turning 😅

[rustic charm]

To be fair I’m pretty sure pilots in those wouldn’t have to worry about understanding navigation irl

There likely would’ve been another person responsible for just the navigation

I am not sure because I don’t know specifically about the 144, but many Soviet planes were like that

[reef isle]

I mean, I guess? But I think everyone in the cockpit had to know at least a bit of what other people were doing?

It has its own INS system which seems complicated, which I managed to sort of get it working, but the points didn't seem to be where they were supposed to, now I need to figure out if it's because FSX is old, so that introduces some errors when doing a flightplan using modern Navigraph, or if (most likely) I did something wrong

I'll translate the manual and I'll read it while I'm on vacation later this week

[eager moon]

Everyone in the flight crew would understand all that stuff

It's a requirement to work together in an environment like that

[rustic charm]

Oh I assume the manual is all in Russian

[reef isle]

Yeah, I'll pass it through DeepL

and hope it doesn't get destroyed because it's not "proper" writing (like the Tu-134 ones 🥲 )

I also discovered there's a decent free IL-86 for FSX, which is nice

[rustic charm]

If it does get destroyed and you need any help, can always ask lol

[rustic charm]

Yeah, the Russian scene for FSX seems quite alright. Nothing like it for MSFS though, only converts

[reef isle]

nice, I think now that I have the Tu-144 (a good plane for FSX that isn't coming for MSFS) I'll see how much I'll use FSX, if it's enough I might think about the IL-86

using FSX is going to be a little bit of a pain on VATSIM because the airports don't line up too well, so they'll see me taxing and parking randomly, or even not properly lined up on the ILS

It was never a problem with the Mercure, but apart from the time I flew from Heathrow I was always in unicom, or in airspace with very little traffic

[rustic charm]

Can’t you add remarks to your flight on Vatsim that the ATCs will see? Might add a warning for that like “Flying FSX, may not show up correctly on the software” idk

Just to make sure they don’t “What the hell are you doing” you

[dusky leaf]

Nobody tried the DCS Chinook?

[untold finch]

It's a shame, I'd love to fly some Tupolevs or Ilyushins but the market just doesn't seem to be there.

[rustic charm]

True

I think there’s a fair bit in XPlane?

But indeed, for MSFS it seems like we won’t see much

Partly because the market is likely smaller than for Boeings and Airbuses, and likely also partly because gathering information for the development of any Soviet/Russian planes would be much more complicated

[crisp adder]

Approaching Okinawa.

[tired pond]

who's 175 is that?

[shadow burrow]

jesus christ

uk is lit up like a christmas tree

[lethal jasper]

3 Grounds at Heathrow 😳

Good ole fashioned Live UK event

[untold finch]

Figured I'd check out Stapleford in the sim after checking it out in real life...

Signage is all pretty accurate to real life, including the "members only" sign on the cafe that isn't actually true (I recommend the english breakfast if you're ever there in real life)

[shadow burrow]

man rdr is going insane

[shadow burrow]

very busy ground at manchester

• Request clearance in a 742
• "How the fuck have you got a 742 in msfs" says some MSFS child
• the controller starts pissing himself laughing

MSFS has had a horrible affect on vatsim

[reef isle]

I wouldn't go near that airspace

[shadow burrow]

its amazing

all the controllers want to kill themselves so i just give them some love on handoff

try and make them laugh

[reef isle]

ahah fair enough

considering how bad UK airspace usually is I can't even imagine what's going on now

[shadow burrow]

yeah

there are like 22 london controllers online atm

so there is a lot of sectorisation

[reef isle]

Although I'm tempted to fly the Mercure from Heathrow to Paris, but I don't think that's going to happen

[shadow burrow]

nah do it

is it RNAV?

[reef isle]

No 😄

[shadow burrow]

oh

well no

[reef isle]

yep

[shadow burrow]

don't do that

they have enough going on to be dealing with a non rnav capable aircraft

[reef isle]

I think if I find a decent livery I'll just do 2 short hops with the AF 737-200 (flying with the FMC)

But I'll think about departing from the UK

it's just that... eugh

[shadow burrow]

ryanair out of stansted

like edi and back

or even eindhoven

stansted is quite quiet atm

[reef isle]

Guessing LCY is a no-go in case I change my mind and want to fly the 146

[shadow burrow]

city doesn't have controllers atm

should be london centre

[reef isle]

then it's going to be a nightmare getting a clearance

[shadow burrow]

one of the quiet ones

nah

i tried it earlier before a sim crash

was fine

heathrow gatwick manchester are the only real no go zones

edi will get bad soon

omg

[reef isle]

(sorry for the off topic)
I can't believe nobody did this AF livery for Xplane
Why

https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/8/1/0/0067018.jpg?v=v40

[shadow burrow]

thames director is online

this was a good idea

BCAL charter hop down to athens

[reef isle]

I don't really have any ideas of why to fly unfortunately

in the UK that is

[trim harbor]

thats what i have been saying

people keep disagreeing

[reef isle]

thoughts about flying with CIVA @shadow burrow ?

Dan Air London had CIVA fitted 727s

[lethal jasper]

Thames Director is online, so LC is ok lol

[shadow burrow]

maybe?

its kinda rnav

its better than vor

I was tempted to do CIVA on this flight but had a look at the traffic and said fuck that

[reef isle]

yeah fair

I just don't have any idea of what to do

[shadow burrow]

something fun and quick right?

ryanair 732 from stansted to jersey

[carmine steeple]

LeoFS is also a good option

[rustic charm]

That the 72?

[shadow burrow]

742

[reef isle]

Because a lot of UK controllers disconnected I decided to fly in France 😄

[shadow burrow]

h c e a13

[rustic charm]

Ah

[shadow burrow]

best reg in all of aviation

G-HUGE

[reef isle]

eheh

I know your taxi now

[shadow burrow]

Oh shit 😂😂😂

Yeah discord as a scratchpad sometimes backfires like this

[reef isle]

I use vpilot and sometimes I forget to switch back to "notes" and write this stuff in DM to random controllers that sent a contact me ahahahha

[rustic charm]

Controllers in response be like “Negative sir I did not give you that clearance”

[reef isle]

ahahaahahahhaah that happened once

I wrote the wrong altitude (but i sent the correct one in the MCP anyway, as it happens sometimes) and the guy told me on frequency the correct altitude ahahah

[rustic charm]

Honestly once I start flying with ATC I’ll probably just have a real notepad or something to just really write it down

[reef isle]

yeah I started like that as well

[eager moon]

I went the opposite way

I started with my phone, then went to my iPad, and then went to paper and pen

[untold finch]

Graphics tablet (wacom intuos) for me, as it works in VR

[crisp adder]

Ffffuuuck.

[trim harbor]

prebought the chinook

only seen negatives about it

@untold finch @mortal furnace u both play dcs as well what's ur take on it if u own it?

no flight assists is a huge bummer to me

[untold finch]

I've not had DCS installed since mid-June

[trim harbor]

o yea i totally forgot about that

lol

[untold finch]

I've not heard good things about the Chinook though

[mortal furnace]

people in dcs are all real life pilots, So they will have negative comments because it should fly a CERTAIN way, Or the fact its study sim and cant be botherred to study the module, Im a little annoyed with Razbam and ED as the F15E is my go to, Id say make your own mind up

[reef isle]

From what I can tell the general consensus is that the systems are decent, but unfinished, the flight model is ok (but weird in certain regimes) and visuals are good? I guess?

[trim harbor]

guess i'll install it and see for myself

doubt i'll see a kiowa type of helo for now tho

f15e is a sad sad situation

[mortal furnace]

its the one thing i was looking forward to the chonk but ill wait til its more complete

[untold finch]

Yeah, DCS aircraft are usually very pretty visually. The terrain is a bit hit-and-miss though.

[trim harbor]

afghanistan is supposedly SUPER nice

atleast the hd part

[reef isle]

I literally couldn't care less about it

[mortal furnace]

terrain has to be a balance between flying low and flying high

[reef isle]

I already have PG and Syria, I don't need another middle east desert-y map

[trim harbor]

it's the place most (modern day) action has been in for the past yr

[untold finch]

I've been playing Steel Beasts Pro lately - that terrain is very dated but you just stop noticing after a while

[trim harbor]

afghanistan is so pretty though

like it's a different type of desert imo

[trim harbor]

i have never heard of that thus far

[mortal furnace]

yea Afgan map is ok

[trim harbor]

might be the next buy

[untold finch]

it's DCS but for tanks and IFVs
and it's made by a nice german company who treat their customers with respect 😉

[mortal furnace]

then again people complain because theres no sea 🤣

[trim harbor]

bruh ur joking 😭

[mortal furnace]

nope

boat people

[reef isle]

For me generally I've started to notice that graphics in general don't really matter, or rather, it's never "oh this looks bad" when I play FSX, but rather "oh this is nice" when playing MSFS ahahah

I think as long as the game looks as good as FSX my brain just goes in "it's good enough" mode and focuses on other things

[trim harbor]

great ocean we got going in afghanistan

shitty dcs being unrealistic per usual

i will never understand the community

[reef isle]

Huh?

[untold finch]

I think the point that people were making is that they wanted ED to extend the map down to the Indian ocean

Otherwise carrier folks have nothing to do on the map

But it's already a fairly massive map iirc

[mortal furnace]

they do tho take off from land 🤣

[untold finch]

Did the USN ever forward-deploy in Afghanistan? I don't remember really

[trim harbor]

bruh afghanistan is massive as it is

wtf

i'm almost certain it'll be bigger than syria right?

[mortal furnace]

easy

[untold finch]

it's the third biggest map in the game iirc

[trim harbor]

well not every map will have ocean 😭

[untold finch]

behind Kola and South Atlantic

[trim harbor]

fulda gap isnt gonna hve the north sea

oh i totally forgot about kola existing

[untold finch]

from what i've heard it's slowly getting better

but it's definitely a WIP

if i can be bothered to buy a new NVMe drive I will probably take a look at the state of things early next year

[trim harbor]

gonna install chinook later and give it a try ig

[mortal furnace]

if anything you want more RAM and more VRAM

[untold finch]

I have plenty of both, I just have no storage space left

MSFS has taken up loads of it

[trim harbor]

yea thats my issue as well

[mortal furnace]

i actually like the tonka in msfs

[untold finch]

yeah, i'm a big fan

IFE's F-35 has come a long way too

especially with the new sounds

[mortal furnace]

im more of old jets

i want the vulcan at some point

[trim harbor]

i just want older civil jets

707 nexts plz

[mortal furnace]

ill be honest ive found it hard to get into the civi stuff

i can take off easy

but landing i suck ass

[trim harbor]

i rather find the crusing part the worst

the hell u do for those hours

[mortal furnace]

i dont mind it

microprose bloody 100th in VR will be so good

[trim harbor]

i have heard of it

[untold finch]

The Vulcan is awesome

I did a full VOR->VOR flight from Oslo to Scampton, really enjoyable flight

[mortal furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTUDQJezdSM

[trim harbor]

b17

amazing plane

[mortal furnace]

ya

[trim harbor]

man i'd kill for a proper ww2 sim

i dont like il2

[mortal furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSXVbhOnUiI

i really hope this is everything i want eit to be

[untold finch]

I'm not a massive IL-2 guy either but I've gotta say their upcoming Korea plans look good

[trim harbor]

oh 100%

[mortal furnace]

i only play cliffs of dover

[hollow oracle]

YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

[mortal furnace]

thats another game id like to see brought upto date

[hollow oracle]

that, plus theyre bringing the B-17 to MSFS later on

[mortal furnace]

are they?

ok

[hollow oracle]

ive fucking LOVE the original mighty 8th

[mortal furnace]

yea i have it

[trim harbor]

dcs b17 pls

[mortal furnace]

i had it on disc to

[hollow oracle]

theyve been working on a modern sequel, the bloody 100th

[mortal furnace]

there doing a dcs lancaster @trim harbor

[trim harbor]

ye its a free mod

i think

right?

[mortal furnace]

yea for now but i think they want it full module

[trim harbor]

that'd be dope

[hollow oracle]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1752530/B17_Flying_Fortress_The_Bloody_100th/

Steam

B-17 Flying Fortress The Bloody 100th

B-17 The Flying Fortress: The Bloody 100th, is the third game in the critically acclaimed series. The game recreates many of the aspects of the real-life struggles that WWII allied bomber crews faced. From the briefings to landings players will face the arduous, nerve-wracking challenge of delivering payloads deep behind enemy lines against near...

Release Date

Coming soon

i suck at flying them, but god damn i love the B-17

[trim harbor]

now imagine that in coop

[mortal furnace]

been like that for 6 months lol

yea its mp to

[trim harbor]

wait it is?

[mortal furnace]

yea

i think bloody 100th is VR multi player and mighty 8th vr is single player but dont qoute me on it

i just know one of them is MP

[hollow oracle]

the bloody 100th is also non-vr, im not sure if the mighty 8th remake is non-vr

[mortal furnace]

redux is not VR

thats the one they just released updated old game

[hollow oracle]

this one ^ being non-vr, its the mighty 8th in whatever engine theyre making the bloody 100th in, but im not sure if thatll have a non-vr version

i forgot the redux one exists, ive only played the original release

[mortal furnace]

same

[untold finch]

So that's what it's like to be on the other end of a Hind

Revenge was sweet though

[echo gorge]

Is that steel beasts or ghpc?

[untold finch]

Steel Beasts

GHPC doesn't have West German kit yet sadly

[hollow oracle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/keOIa6SQbnQ?si=OZ-o8jydQv7lIFLW

I want a twitch chat controlled plane on VATSIM

[crisp adder]

https://stormbirds.blog/2024/08/11/first-impressions-dcs-ch-47f/

Stormbirds did a good and thorough first impressions post about it. His TL,DR is: Good basics but rough around the edges and underdeveloped in many areas.

[trim harbor]

Yeha as I feared

[reef isle]

Pretty sure you could do that relatively easily with a program like Spad.Next?

[trim harbor]

thinking about finally buying a collective - albeit undecided which ones the best

virpil seems to be quite good though pricey

[hollow oracle]

He’s done it before in GTA V, so it’s possible

https://youtu.be/QIacthT6c84?si=84VtcnuvGfIFfPmA

[wide zenith]

https://fenixsim.com/blog/entries/2024-08-15_introducing_a319_and_a321/

!!

[trim harbor]

w

[wide zenith]

the pic of all 3 is awesome

[rustic charm]

G-SMOL and G-FBIG lol

[wide zenith]

i was hoping theyd do g-long

[trim harbor]

cant even get into dcs anymore

bruh

loading the chinook up just straight up crashes my gpu

[dusky leaf]

The Virpil one is quality though

[wide zenith]

loaded up flight sim for the first time in a few weeks

game just hangs on loading after pressing fly and I cba to reinstall

[trim harbor]

For sure, just the question if it‘s worth it

Over $500 for just a collective is steep

[rustic charm]

Happens sometimes for me too, but usually works after restarting the game

[wide zenith]

was watching a community managers stream last night and seems to have been a server problemo

[wide zenith]

I appreciate that this may seem like it has snuck up on you all, but we really wanted to get the product out into your hands as soon as it was ready without a protracted marketing cycle - for that reason, this will be the last pre-release marketing post. The A319 & A321 Expansion will launch next week.

from recent fenix

next week!!!!

[mild zenith]

The A319 & A321 Expansion will launch next week.

[wide zenith]

yesss

[mild zenith]

time to reinstall msfs then

[hollow oracle]

for the fenix?

[rustic charm]

Yep

Fenix G-SMOL and G-FBIG

[hollow oracle]

ew

[rustic charm]

Alright

[trim harbor]

a321 neo pleaseeee

wait

it wont include sharklets will it

[wide zenith]

will eventually for free

[reef isle]

My fictious Tu-144 link with the US Weast Coast (cold war never happened and the Tu-144 is actually not a terrible aircraft, and possibly a million other assumptions that would mean this actually doesn't make any sense ) is complete 😄

[rustic charm]

Krasnoyarsk - Vladivostok - Anchorage - San Francisco?

[reef isle]

Yes 😄

It was a good way to learn the aircraft

(also no way I'd just do Moscow-Almaty and back)

[rustic charm]

Certainly. I probably would've failed on Anchorage landing

[reef isle]

Actually that was the least worse one

[rustic charm]

Really? Better than KSFO?

[reef isle]

Yeah, much better, not sure why, probably just because I'm still a bit hopeless, it's really hard to do "terminal" navigation with this

below 600/700 km/h is a brick

(like Concorde I guess) 😅

[rustic charm]

Also, my yesterday's flight, PAJN - PANC, which you can probably noticed ended not even half way to Anchorage

[reef isle]

yeah? What happened?

[rustic charm]

Was an engine failure. Or, well, engine fire actually.

(Which I totally haven't turned on myself specifically for this flight because I wanted something like that)

[reef isle]

ooh interesting 😄

I definitely would like to play around with failures in the future, never gotten around to it yet

[rustic charm]

Also I was quite surprised by 73's performance with 1 engine. I expected less. It could very well climb, autopilot worked flawlessly (obviously without autothrottle)

Obviously it wasn't a good landing, but it was a one-engine landing that was not a crash

Ended up being -615fpm with 1.25G at 170 knots

[reef isle]

nice, and yeah, most twin engined modern planes can fly (more or less) comfortably with one engine out, I think you' d have some speed/altitude limitations and you'd obviously burn more fuel, but it shouldn't be a huge deal

(unless you shut down the good engine)

[reef isle]

not too bad considering the situation 😄

[rustic charm]

Well, wouldn't you actually burn less fuel, cause one of the engines is shut down? You'd burn more fuel on the other engine compared to what it normally does cause you push it for more thrust, but you would probably still burn less fuel than normally on 2 engines

[reef isle]

Oh yeah sorry, I should have worded that better, you'll have overall less range

[rustic charm]

Ngl I'm waiting for FSS 727 passenger now, to fly Alaska as well. Alaska didn't have 722 freighters I believe

[reef isle]

definitely

pax variant is a lot more interesting to me as well

I'll definitely get it sooner or later, for now there are too many other planes to buy and I'm still happy with the FJS

[rustic charm]

Yeah, I pretty much don't fly freight at all

[reef isle]

Yeah, that's understable

[rustic charm]

Indeed, for now there are just other priorities

I just got the 77W too

So the 722 is for later

[reef isle]

I think I'll get the 319/320 (hoping I'll end up flying them more than the 320 itself)

I just want the BEA livery

G-EUPJ my beloved ❤️

[rustic charm]

I also hope that with the 72, FSS change their mind and end up doing 721s as well

[reef isle]

BEA was such an interesting airline with a fascinating story, I'm a bit sad the first aircraft that will have their livery is just going to be a heritage BA 319, instead of a Trident or a BAC 1-11, but oh well

[reef isle]

ahahaha yes

-# smol 727

[rustic charm]

Either of the 2 would be so fire ngl

[reef isle]

I really hope they at least do the Comet as a local legend or whatever

[rustic charm]

Also, can we for once get 73 Classics... it's criminal we have none. I want the combi...

[rustic charm]

Oh yeah, comet would very well be a good fit for something like that

[reef isle]

Hopefully Fenix is actually doing it

I think the conspiracy is staring to spread

I hope it's real

[rustic charm]

Which conspiracy?

[reef isle]

That Fenix is making a 73CL

[rustic charm]

That would be interesting

And I sure hope it's real

Though hopefully if they do, it performs better than the A320, cause I heard that one is quite very heavy

[reef isle]

For now I think a Fenix 73CL is actually surprisingly possible (not probable), but I also really really hope that PMDG is going to do an L-1011

[rustic charm]

Oh an L-1011 would be a dream come true

[reef isle]

I think it's gotten better, but yeah, it's still quite heavy.

But it's easily the best addon in the sim

[reef isle]

my favourite plane ❤️

please make it

[rustic charm]

One of my favourites too

Best trijet

[reef isle]

Definitely

[rustic charm]

It's won't be the best addon for long if they do make the 73Classic xD

[reef isle]

ahahaha true

[rustic charm]

Ideally I'd ask for 734 to be the first in the lineup, while 733 and 735 can be added bit later like with the A319/A321

[reef isle]

Yeah that would definitely be the best way to do it

and also there was way less differences between the 73 variants compared to the 320 family

[rustic charm]

Love night flights

[rustic charm]

It's a small flight but I had to pause and leave for an hour, so now I'm back and it's no longer night

[mild zenith]

Agreed 💯

[rustic charm]

Descending into Kodiak now

Lovely airport

Also hope that the weather isn't bad. It shouldn't be cause irl it's quite nice there right now, but I find MSFS weather often being wrong...

[untold finch]

Fenix A319/21 out today

https://youtu.be/5gMgFZs-2LU

[wide zenith]

my excitement is unmeasurable

[reef isle]

I was already planning to do 2 732 flights today, I can't also fly the 319. Guess I'll wait until tomorrow

[trim harbor]

How much are they

[untold finch]

Dunno yet

I think it's likely to be around the same sort of price as the 320 if not a bit lower

[wide zenith]

40 gbp

I think theres also a bundle for both the 320 and expansion

[trim harbor]

For both?

[wide zenith]

yeah

for the 319 and 321 combined

its an expansion pack, so both

[trim harbor]

Thats a STEAL

[wide zenith]

great value

sharklets will be free also

someone found an image of them

not sure if i'll fly the 319 or 321 first

319 for EZY or 321 for BAW

[trim harbor]

wait when is it dropping

[wide zenith]

319/321 today, Sharklets in the future

the 319/321 is on the installer but not avail for purchase yet

[untold finch]

I saw an EZY 319 taking off on my drive to work today, so that settles that for me

Want that SR-71 to come out though, I need to blast out of Mildenhall toward Moscow

[untold finch]

https://fenixsim.com/blog/entries/2024-08-19_a319_and_a321_expansion_released/

[wide zenith]

its out

this will do me well until msfs 24

[untold finch]

It's been a good year for MSFS

[wide zenith]

and we're not even done

[tired pond]

Hmm

I knew it wasn't just me

I'll have to give a flight a go and if it is fixed I'll definitely pick up the 319 and 321

[wide zenith]

ooo

[trim harbor]

aye its out

do i want for max or get 321 is the question

difficult since i feel like the max is gonna release within a month

[untold finch]

I feel like the A319 is more useful

Used all over the place

A321 is barely used in comparison, too many neos now

[uneven fern]

I'm doing my first flight in the A319 now

Flying from KBOS to KORD

[hollow oracle]

not interested in it

not even any updates for the A320 too? just the 319 and 321?

ill have to buy it eventually, because a majority of US airlines use the 321 rather than the 320, but not until i get a new PC

[trim harbor]

p sure there were some updates for the 320

[untold finch]

Yes, there was a large set of updates for the A320.

[wide zenith]

Anyone done a flight yet, how does it feel on landing?

[hollow oracle]

what version? im on v2.0.0.407

[trim harbor]

a320 should be on V2.2.0.313

according to their blog

https://fenixsim.com/blog/

[hollow oracle]

how do i update it? do i re-download from their website?

[wide zenith]

using the new installer

also there was literally an update too

[hollow oracle]

they dont give any notification about their products whatsoever

that really kind of annoys me

[wide zenith]

https://fenixsim.com/blog/

[trim harbor]

they do on the discord iirc

[hollow oracle]

that server was horrible, it was like the trainz discord

everyone has a "mightier than thou" attitude

no actual product assistance, only a pissing match

[rustic charm]

Have fun with the smol and big version of the 320 folks

[wide zenith]

thank you

planning on a Luton edinburgh hop and back in the 319, whether I do it tonight or tmrw is a mystery

[hollow oracle]

max fosh is the british person of all time

[midnight whale]

Inaugural flight went well 😄

[rustic charm]

Guy’s doing all the sidequests of real life

[rustic charm]

With easyJet?

(Idk any other operator which has 319s )

[wide zenith]

of course :)

in terms of EU i think its EZY, BAW, Lufthansa, Volotea, Brussels, Air France.. list goes on

lots

also extra note for the a320 simfx immersion enjoyers

90% sure if you pull the latest version from the site, it should work on the 319/321 as I found related files in there to the fnx

ah well got an email, confirmed

[hollow oracle]

i feel like the newer updates for the A320 improved performance a bit, and the plane feels less tempermental overall, no issues so far

considering i was running a version from like spring of this year

[hollow oracle]

and i say this flying out of denver with the flightbeam scenery

[rustic charm]

Well how else

[rustic charm]

Today seen a couple of EZY planes. Granted they were both late, one for like 2 hours

[hollow oracle]

i will never fly an easyjet aircraft, irl or in MSFS, ever since what they did to one of my favorite bands

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce44z7pgn29o

[trim harbor]

what liveries r there for the 321/319

alot?

[wide zenith]

they got atarium and comet back

so lots of good ones

[trim harbor]

w

atarium og

[hollow oracle]

of course just as i go to takeoff, the external software crashes, so i have no displays or controls

does the installer have to be open with the actual fenix software? the issues started when i closed the installer

and because the software crashed and lost connection, i have to redo setup again, this time holding short of the runway

aaaand that kills the flight, i cant upload the flight plan again

i hit init request, it loads, it says it got the flight plan uplink, yet nothing

this was a good experience atleast, it talked me out of buying the A319 and A321

when your software is just so good that running it normally will discourage you from upgrading

i will say that the updates have fixed/remedied a lot of my biggest issues with the fenix a320, but its still extremely frustrating

still enough of of a piece of shit for me to just want to fly the flybywire and not worry about any of this garbage

[echo gorge]

It always amazes me just how many issues you somehow have with the Fenix, it must really not like your rig

[hollow oracle]

its because my PC is shit

not up to the standards of the fenix gods, who say that i shouldnt have even bought this in the first place

which, yeah, i agree

[reef isle]

shouldn't take long 😄

only reg and its own folder in community (and all the other side lol) and it's done

[wide zenith]

I'm annoyed just how mid PMDGs releases are in comparison, or just PMDG in general after another Fenix release. Waited hours after the 777 released to even get a code, then had to fight through their servers to install it. the liveries with it are mid, you have to do some weird fucky way of reinstalling and updating and overall just feels PMDG is stuck in the late 2000s early 2010s

and the CEO on the forums is an ass

[hollow oracle]

yet pmdg makes products that are as polished as fenix at 2x the FPS with significantly less bugs

[reef isle]

I think the Fenix is a lot better than the PMDG 737

Fenix in general is one step above pretty much all addons IMO

[hollow oracle]

i agree, the fenix does have more in-depth systems, but the 737 is extremely realistic in its own right

[wide zenith]

Its okay, i hope the ifly 737 max blows it out the park tho

[reef isle]

and it's more expensive

[wide zenith]

and same with PMDGs 73 max

[reef isle]

and you have to buy each variant separately at full price

[rustic charm]

PMDG releases are a shitshow tbh

[hollow oracle]

price is a moot point, if you can afford the fenix, your well enough off to afford the PMDG as well, and the other way around

[rustic charm]

As a person who only flies PMDG aircraft pretty much

[rustic charm]

No. Definitely not. Fenix is way cheaper.

[hollow oracle]

fenix is cheaper, but if your spending upwards of $50 for virtual planes on top of the cost of the base game sim, money is not a concern to you

[wide zenith]

each variant of the fenix is estimated at 7-10

usd

[hollow oracle]

no

you need the base A320 pack for the variants too

[reef isle]

No? 60€ and 80€ is a big difference

[rustic charm]

If you buy the 2 packs separately, it’s £90. As a bundle they’re £80. PMDG -800 and -700 together are $140 (and that’s with the discount, which, although stays forever pretty much, might go away at any point if they wish so)

And that leaves you without 736 and 739

[reef isle]

You can buy the whole family for 80GBP

[wide zenith]

yes, with both the IAE and CFMs on the 319,320,321. thats what 90 divided by 6 which is 15

not to forget the eventual Sharklet options

which brings it down from 15 further

[rustic charm]

Well tbh that’s stretching it a bit. You can also prove PMDG is cheap for a variant in this manner

[wide zenith]

its still overall more expensive

this was it

[reef isle]

I think the only way the PMDG is a better deal (in terms of value/money) is if you only buy the -600

[mild zenith]

ngc trying not to complain about the fenix challenge (impossible)

[wide zenith]

I came from buying the FF a320 which only had no sharklets and cfms and that put me back so much :x

[wide zenith]

yeah this

thats not saying PMDGs stuff is bad, I enjoy the 737 and 777 but comparing both it shows just how behind PMDG is imo

[rustic charm]

Like, taking the -800 even at full price of $75, you get 4 big variants, but you also have different winglet options on each one iirc, so pretty much 8, so you get 75/8 which is $9.375 per variant. But again, I don’t think that’s right, that’s why I say it’s very much a stretch

[hollow oracle]

and different cabin arrangements

[mild zenith]

Isn't the pmdg more customizable overall?

[hollow oracle]

and a ton of small cabin details for realistic airline options

[rustic charm]

PMDG is behind truly. Hell, with how much they make, could at least make the website not fall on every release

[rustic charm]

Idk, cause I don’t have the Fenix

Can’t compare

[hollow oracle]

yeah, its not a secret or anything that i hate the fenix, the FBW is far more superior and rapidly catching up to the quality of the fenix

[mild zenith]

They should setup up a discord server at some point

[wide zenith]

another platform for randazzo to chat shit?

[rustic charm]

But counting differences like having options for 2 or 4 landing light switches, 2 styles of MCPs, 2 styles of engine start switches… that would just be such nitpicking that’s not even worth the time. Those features are nice to have, but you really ain’t gonna base your opinion about the plane off the ability to have 2 variants of landing light switches.

[reef isle]

I think the fact is that the A320 (AFAIK) doesn't actually have these tiny differences, there are a couple of variants that are all quite different from one another, making it hard to do all of them

doing proper EIS-1 would require changing a lot of display logic

[wide zenith]

Besides like the variant stuff, on the basis I wanted a family of the 700,800,900 vs 319,320,321. right now the fenix is so much cheaper

[rustic charm]

I expect it’d be quite a toxic place tbh. I just have a feeling

[rustic charm]

Definitely.

[wide zenith]

and would love to fly the 700 and 900 but aint no way i'm paying that much 3 times

[reef isle]

while on the 737 you can have that cursed weird southwest classic-y configuration without needing to change much except what's drawn on the screen

[rustic charm]

900 is slightly cheaper

But I say that as someone who still only has the 7 and 8

Well and the triple but we don’t talk about that, it’s a full separate plane

[rustic charm]

Indeed. The changes on the 737s are pretty much all visuals

[hollow oracle]

i will say that the 777 currently is REALLY not that great of a value

only minorly improved simulation from their 737s, and you only get 1 variant

[rustic charm]

It’s PMDG, it’s gonna be like that later too. Not gonna change the value.

[lethal jasper]

Do i care, no, i fly

[rustic charm]

Also you only get 1 variant because overall there are less 777 variants than 737 variants. And the simulation side, I don’t really know which drastic improvements you’d expect. It flies great and realistically from what I know, don’t know what else you’d need

[lethal jasper]

PMDg beats CaptainSim, Fenix beats LVFR, all I got to know really.