Yeah, it should've been released half a month ago according to the initial schedule
#Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)
rustic charm
VOR usage: 💯
Gonna be going along the atlantic coast for the whole route. Could go slightly more straight on over water, but no VOR stations there so I'd probably end up lost
mild zenith
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Cruising
wide zenith
parcels today 
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On Savnnah VOR, then gonna get on Charleston VOR from there and start the descent.
wide zenith
another day another slay
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down in zagreb, some mili helis in the background 
crisp adder
reef isle
rustic charm
Fokker my beloved
(To be fair I can’t land it pretty much at all, and myself fly it mainly for the cruise experience)
tardy hedge
anyone recommend a good AI ATC?
untold finch
BeyondATC
tardy hedge
paid?
untold finch
yep
untold finch
wait, are you talking about an ATC that you can talk to? or one that controls the AI?
tardy hedge
like one in default MSFS
untold finch
I'm not sure what you mean
tardy hedge
one like this
untold finch
Okay, so if you want to replace the default ATC then FSHud, BeyondATC or SayIntentions.AI are the only options afaik
FSHud is kinda old and janky at this point
SayIntentions.AI is only really an option for VFR, and doesn't manage AI traffic
BeyondATC is only an option for IFR, and will soon manage AI traffic
tardy hedge
is beyondatc a one time purchase?
untold finch
It can be
They charge for the initial purchase, and then you can use it for free in perpetuity if you use the "regular" AI text-to-speech voices
which are still better than the default MSFS ones
you only need to pay more if you want to use the high quality voices
hollow oracle
And even then, it’s something like less than 1 cent a character
midnight whale
wide zenith
I fly the a300 for a week
and they drop an update today
for the a300
time for another week of dhl ops
hollow oracle
The group chat leaked mid-flight 
hollow oracle
I’ve been very rapidly falling in love with the 747, I’ve been flying the salty one a few times recently, and I may be touring one coming up soon
midnight whale
and they drop an update today
There's now a discount on the A300 too: https://summersurprises.inibuilds.com/
wide zenith
£20 is a great price
midnight whale
rustic charm
£20 is a great price
That seems genuinely low for an MSFS thing ngl
rustic charm
https://fselite.net/content/pmdg-sending-777-to-marketplace-777f-entering-beta-s...
Nice nice nice
Lovely news
wide zenith
That seems genuinely low for an MSFS thing ngl
quite a few decent priced airliners, the ATR is around the same price
rustic charm
True
I meant low not as in bad, but as in… that’s one fucking hell of a deal. I’m genuinely tempted
rustic charm
Nah, 77W is still not in my aircraft selection menu, so that takes priority
wide zenith
poggies
if anyone is interested, EGPH is on for 11 pound for a new release sale. Probably one of the best payware sceneries to release
wide zenith
Nah, 77W is still not in my aircraft selection menu, so that takes priority
also hopefully 77f soon too
awesome
EGPH moment
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inner maple
@rustic charm
hollow oracle
You're wrong this is easyJem
They’ll sue you out of existence for that 
wide zenith
tardy hedge
Wetherspoons
Which airport mod is this wtf
rustic charm
The new Edinburgh seems like
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<@711142647061807114>
STOP TEMPTING ME
(If you’d like to make my Saturday better and gift it to me though, I will accept)
reef isle
Just wait for the A300B4
rustic charm
True
wide zenith
Which airport mod is this wtf
Pyreegue EGPH II
mild zenith
Wow
My msfs uninstalled the base game content after verifying the integrity of the game files 🤦♂️
lethal jasper
Yikes lol
wide zenith
sometimes msfs clouds just hit right
wide zenith
Also which simfx stuff
They add a bunch of effects to the sim, like condensation on the wings and engines, various things depending on the aircraft, engine blast, heat blast ect
all the immersive stuff
rustic charm
I assume only for specific aircraft?
wide zenith
its like, idk the AP eps of flight sim
they will no doubt do the 737 at some point which im very much looking forward too
rustic charm
Do they by chance release on the marketplace?
Since that's the easiest way for me to get stuff
wide zenith
They do
rustic charm
Nicey
wide zenith
slower to get on the market place like PMDG but they make its way round
you have to buy simfx, then the individual packs
kinda like how ap did the cloud pack
expensive, but worth it if you fly a specific type a lot (73 in your case) and fly into countries where theres cloud cover rain ect
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Also I swear this joke is made every time Jem is seen flying EasyJet
also it does
rustic charm
expensive, but worth it if you fly a specific type a lot (73 in your case) and f...
Both of those are a case lol
As you said, I fly pretty much exclusively the 73, and I also fly mainly within Alaska
mild zenith
There's a 737 pack for it??
wide zenith
Mhmhm! might be worth considering at some point then. They are like the end game of products imo. Just an extra something to an already nice aircraft
there will be eventually
they did the PMDG 73s in p3d, so its very likely theyll do the msfs ones
and theyve already done the T7
rustic charm
And tbh I never was particularly happy with effects as they are
Though it's more that I am not really happy with the weather
wide zenith
If only activesky for msfs was actually good
rustic charm
I did get weather presets pro, and well, they work as presets, but I do prefer having live weather
rustic charm
Still so far out and in sight already? Weak
I'd send a vid of my latest Juneau landing but since it's on youtube it probably counts as self promo
That was one very interesting landing though. In fact when I crossed the threshold I couldn't even see the end of the runway well
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That was one very interesting landing though. In fact when I crossed the thresho...
The best kind of landings
the ones where you're toying with, 'should i autoland it or can I take manual'
rustic charm
What would be the UK equivalent of flying Alaska? Like, some godforgotten kind of airports in the middle of nowhere
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the ones where you're toying with, 'should i autoland it or can I take manual'
It was Juneau.... 14 degrees offset ILS. Need I say more?
wide zenith
Mhmm, you mean airline or just airports?
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It was Juneau.... 14 degrees offset ILS. Need I say more?
Nope, heartattack material 
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Airports and planes mostly
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Nope, heartattack material <:kekw:1063926693066182677>
Yeah, indeed. So of course I went manual
wide zenith
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Airports and planes mostly
Oh gosh mhm, tbh a lot of the smaller airpots are quite well known. Maybe the isle of man and jersey/guernsey i'd say in terms of middle of no where on off shore islands
those both can take 320/737s
rustic charm
As I always say (I've never said this before but yes), "Autoland is for those who know how to set it up"
wide zenith
southampton also recently got a runway extension that allows for 320/737s
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What about something up north in Scotland
wide zenith
Aberdeen probably
part of the BAW SHT services
same with inervness
even more north, Vagar but thats not UK ofc
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I expect there isn't really anything milk run kind of in the UK cause everything's well-connected by roads and rails
wide zenith
ireland has some like cork, kerry, donegal
yeah and tbh, theres not many unique approaches in the UK in terms of like circle to land, offset ils ect
all v basic
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Also doesn't have to be 737-kind of airports. I need to find an excuse to learn the BAe
wide zenith
Oh if you're talking BAe
send that thing into EGLC
spicy glideslope
5.5 degree
lethal jasper
glhf
wide zenith
if you want a good time with possible consequences, sand runways at EGPR
rustic charm
I'm up for the challenge
lethal jasper
LFLB was fun in a 73
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"But officer, it's obviously a 737-200 just with all the -800 components, it is certified for unpaved runways!"
I genuinely want the originals to have fun on some unpaved runways
Would be so fire to have a NG-quality 731 and 732
Do you think the British version of FAA will come after me?
800m of sand runway for a 738 takeoff… sounds like a treat
wide zenith
cursed but I love it
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800m of sand runway for a 738 takeoff… sounds like a treat
totally doable
rustic charm
How about with almost full load and derated thrust? xD
wide zenith
totally drownable
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It struggled when I decided “I don’t need the whole runway” in Washington and that was probably around 1200m
Now to be fair setting thrust to 22k on a 800m takeoff would probably be just… nah
Anyway, that’s all stuff for tomorrow
reef isle
I'm going to give this a try 😄
rustic charm
Nice looking little thingy
shadow burrow
I'm going to give this a try 😄
This is actually quite cool
It’s a shame most routes don’t really have liveries
dusky leaf
rustic charm
Nah that ain’t a max, doesn’t have to be taped over
reef isle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/383188335730098179/1264359938638090352/FB...
This is the most uncanny image I've seen
The wing shape seems correct? But all of the speed tape seems AI generated?
reef isle
It’s a shame most routes don’t really have liveries
I also noticed there aren't many routes in FSDispatch... So it's going to take a bit of research to find out on what routes this little things were flown
I got the impression they were fairly popular over all western europe
rustic charm
The wing shape seems correct? But all of the speed tape seems AI generated?
Tape is definitely AI
shadow burrow
I got the impression they were fairly popular over all western europe
Manx 2 ones are ok
IOM - Gloucestershire
reef isle
Manx 2 ones are ok
Cool I'll take a look
shadow burrow
livery as well
agile oak
plen
reef isle
livery as well
Nice, seems like a bit of a headache figuring out flight numbers and callsings thought
Considering, from what I've read they outsourced their operation to other airlines
I guess I can look at Citywing and go from there
Nevermind 😄
Now it's just a matter of hoping the VATSIM UK controllers aren't too busy being kindergarten teachers to accommodate a flight like this
thanks @shadow burrow that looks like a lot of fun 😄
shadow burrow
yeah citywing is weird anyway
they ran flights for Darwin Airlines at some point as well i think?
tardy hedge
is simbrief shitting its pants for anybody else?
tardy hedge
agile oak
plen
untold finch
not been doing much flight simming recently, but i did get to climb aboard the real thing...
agile oak
what plen is that
untold finch
Royal Canadian Air Force C-17A Globemaster III
reef isle
Xplane 11
echo gorge
Oh that looks lovely
dusky leaf
Do you know why?
(right seat)
Because of the rotation of the blades in European and US helis are opposite mostly
echo gorge
Oh that's why? I never knew
dusky leaf
IRL heli pilots have to get comfortable flying from either side
Must be hard using left hand for cyclic
dusky leaf
What I said about the rotation of the blades is true, but not the reason most helis are flown from the right seat - that is purely because its easier to use right hand on cyclic
wide zenith
shadow burrow
thanks <@456226577798135808> that looks like a lot of fun 😄
good image
wide zenith
echo gorge
good image
Interflug my beloved
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agile oak
A320 > 737
lethal jasper
GA > A320
agile oak
PFFT
rustic charm
A320 > 737
Don’t be starting that
reef isle
TriStar>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Proper TriStar for MSFS wen 
reef isle
It's time to fly the BAe to LCY
untold finch
Does it mess with Orbx's GB landmarks?
wide zenith
ooo idk it might, don't have it but i assume you'd see double landmarks where gaya have done some
shadow burrow
hollow oracle
When the extremely dangerous airport is extremely dangerous
My only impressions of Oshkosh is that it’s the UP4014 of aviation, everyone acts like a dumbass when they’re there, and people eventually get killed because of it, and from the comments this seems like a death occurs almost every year there
I feel extremely bad for the guy, the airport is so extremely busy from giant ego pilots trying to rush their way in, with their cookie-cutter shitbox single prop Cessnas, and an overworked controller at the literal busiest airport in the world for a short few days, with extremely horribly made landing procedures
lethal jasper
Land on the dot :p
dusky leaf
Nothing dangerous about the airport, its the people that are the problem
hollow oracle
rustic charm
We expecting 2 FPS with this one 🔥
It looks wonderful though
Not something I fly, but it is great
hollow oracle
The best part about having a shitty PC is that everything is low FPS
I have no performance difference between the fenix or inibuilds A320, I do get noticeably better FPS with the FBW though
Well, slightly better in the inibuilds actually
Huh, the A330neos come with those sheepskin seats rather than fabric, like Boeing
AssMops™️
young hazel
Wack that Leeds is getting updated but not Manchester
shadow burrow
PMDG
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The triple even shows you tire pressures? I don’t think I even tried finding something like that on the 73 xD
wide zenith
The triple even shows you tire pressures? I don’t think I even tried finding som...
90% sure theres a similar page in the 73
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90% sure theres a similar page in the 73
can see it on the flight control page
dependent on if the operator has bought the flt control package
some airlines like RYR don't have it
i think
rustic charm
Didn’t even know that was a feature
wide zenith
beefy clouds
its missiable as some livery designers will replicate the real world configs, so some liveries will show a blank page when you click the SYS button
rustic charm
I never click it either way I guess
Only by accident when I wanna click on ENG button but miss
wide zenith
Overall, are you happy with the 777?
I'd say so yeah, its perfectly flyable and enjoyable. Sounds aren't perfect but thats to be expected with PMDG and a few bugs slipped through. I do only ever use it on short-mid flights, long hauls aren't my thing but I tried using the auto cruise feature once which worked really well
Do I prefer the 73 series? Probably but thats slight bias as I know that aircraft a lot more, but 77w has a bit more feature wise like a fully working cabin with a clickable door (finally) and better EFB functionality being able to move it about the flightdeck and no longer having to use an FMC just for ground ops. (and even a clickable pen!)
crisp adder
Do I prefer the 73 series? Probably but thats slight bias as I know that aircraf...
Ok, thanks a lot! I´m a bit on the fence about the triple seven but severly tempted because I only have the small 737. The 777 looks like a nice step up for more longer distance flights, though as you, I prefer shorter to mid distance flights. Also, it looks like it´s a bit more mature in the sense that it has more features like a more advanced EFB.
rustic charm
A triple is also a vastly different experience too
The 73 is a plane from the 60s
Even the NG, which is the third iteration of the design, is still not that different from the originals. There are of course obvious changes, but the plane overall didn’t evolve as much as it may seem
And then still gotta consider that the 73 is an indirect evolution of the 72, and that itself is even older.
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Ok, thanks a lot! I´m a bit on the fence about the triple seven but severly temp...
Something to think about is most features will be backported to the 73 and eventually the 73 max too, and also give it a few months we'll have the freighter and 200 with the rollers and pws so you'll have more choice regarding the 777. As NoOne said above its a bit different to the 73 too, the flows are similar to that of the airbus where you click a button, and it tells the aircrafts computers to do that thing, rather than clicking each bus tie or messing around with the packs ect
rustic charm
Indeed, more automated and more modern thing overall
Plus the difference in size is also huge obviously
wide zenith
It certainly is fun to fly around in one of the largest aircrafts
that was one of the main appeals to me, and its an aircraft type I never got to fly in xplane because the FF was trash
reef isle
My home airport. Hello 😄
rustic charm
I might be wrong here, but isn’t one of the 77s the longest airliner?
crisp adder
My home airport. Hello 😄
It's very scenic. 😊
crisp adder
It certainly is fun to fly around in one of the largest aircrafts
Ok, thanks you guys, those are some good views on the 777. I'm indeed looking for a more varied experience with it, hence I'm not tempted to buy a larger 737 variant. The 777 seems to fit the bill quite well.
reef isle
4 engines 4 short haul 😄
rustic charm
that was one of the main appeals to me, and its an aircraft type I never got to ...
Same, that’s one of the reasons I want to get it. The other being probably mostly that I’ve flown on the Aeroflot’s 77Ws in reality probably several dozen times at this point. But it’s genuinely not the kind of plane I will fly that often, I don’t really do long haul. But still, seems very nice
reef isle
I think for all of you that want to fly the 777, but don't like long haul I'd definitely recommend to wait for the -200
it flew A LOT more short/medium haul routes, especially in the US
wide zenith
Agree, and you'll also be getting all 3 engine types with the 200
unless you're depesperate for 77 or have some kind of relation or like to the 300er, just wait
likely one of the variants will also sell for cheaper
reef isle
yep
rustic charm
unless you're depesperate for 77 or have some kind of relation or like to the 30...
That’s exactly what I have, the 300ER is very likely the plane I’ve been on the most
reef isle
World update london looks great
Yeah, I was surprised, it's really good 😄
it's still a bit melted in some places, but it's nowhere near as bad as before
rustic charm
likely one of the variants will also sell for cheaper
Probably one of the less popular ones
Like with the 73
wide zenith
it's still a bit melted in some places, but it's nowhere near as bad as before
Good to hear, flying over london before was quite miserable as it looked like someone nuked it :/
reef isle
yeah agreed
wide zenith
Probably one of the less popular ones
most likely the 200LR or 200
tbh what i'm mostly waiting for right now is that 757... pls
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Oh yes
reef isle
https://youtu.be/PjOmyaMwq_M?si=fg2O6yHxB0K1kcIB
Speaking of 777-200, this is one of my favourite liveries of all time
rustic charm
757 please
Although the 727 freighter should also be very close iirc
I think they said they aim for an end-July release? And it’s 5 days left until the end of July
Although quite obviously there can be delays
reef isle
I don't really mind the 727 as I can already fly it on Xplane, but yeah, I hope it's good 😄
I'd really like if they made some of the older FMCs that were fitted in the late '90s and 2000s in Europe
The Xplane one only has CIVA (which was very rare), no NAV (nice), and modern FMC
Something like JF's UNS-1
rustic charm
I honestly am just not sure with the 72, cause FSS is releasing the freighter soon with passenger versions coming later, but iirc there’s also some other dev who’s making passenger versions with plans to add the freighters later. I just don’t know which one to wait for
reef isle
I honestly am just not sure with the 72, cause FSS is releasing the freighter so...
So, the "other" one (made by SWS/FSR) looks like it's going to have more retrofitted stuff in it
i don't really know to what extent, and if you'll be able to get rid of it
but things like the TCAS variometer I assume are going to be there by default
but from what FSS said I don't think that's true of their one
rustic charm
Well, FSS mentioned you can have different options for navigation, like, you can have older systems or more modern stuff. So I’d hope there’s such ability to choose between old and modern for other stuff too
reef isle
yeah, agreed
reef isle
Possibly?
rustic charm
I think they didn’t announce any delays
At least looking at their website right now, I don’t see any
So I hope so
reef isle
I really hope they'll have some of the older navigation systems
like this one
with the little GPS unit
rustic charm
Also their 727 announcement article says it won’t even have a proper EFB it seems? They say “An EFB-like clipboard”
reef isle
yeah I don't care about that lol
I only use EFBs to set up weights and open/close doors
rustic charm
I just think it’s a nice touch to have it look older
rustic charm
I only use EFBs to set up weights and open/close doors
Same basically
I mean, not even kinda. In the 73 you set all that up through the FMC
So the EFB just sits there unused most of the time when I fly. Probably would be nice to have approach charts on it, but I don’t have the navigraph sub for that
wide zenith
overhead england
rustic charm
Nice
wide zenith
I've had the apu on the whole flight
no autobrake for landing
yoooo new cockpit sounds
rustic charm
I've had the apu on the whole flight
I once forgot to turn it off too, had it working for half the flight
I guess it wouldn't matter awfully much considering most of my flights are an hour gate to gate
rustic charm
Yeah
It won't impact you too much most likely, considering that usually you'll have a fair bit extra
Just be ready that when eco activists learn that you're wasting fuel, they're gonna paint your plane or do some other shit
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And St. Pancake
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Actually I never realised Euston was this close to them
wide zenith
or is it 🤔
rustic charm
wait thats st pancake and kx
There's 3, St. Pancake, KX and Euston
All 3 are on the screenshot
wide zenith
clapham
rustic charm
WU is so much better
It does look wonderful
Like, there's even SWT trains at Clapham
wide zenith
Really sweet
rustic charm
Eh don't worry
wide zenith
KX?
wide zenith
awesome
rustic charm
You just can't see KX tracks, cause the plane is in the way and the tracks go into tunnels right away too
rustic charm
Yellow's KX, red is St. Pancake and green is Euston
rustic charm
tbh I didnt realise how close euston was to them
I also thought it was further genuinely
Like, KX and St. Pancake are obviously close, they're neighbouring buildings
But Euston there gotta be like 5 minute walk, no more
untold finch
Come friendly bombs...
wide zenith
trim harbor
I think for all of you that want to fly the 777, but don't like long haul I'd de...
777F
It does the most „short“ haul flights imo
Atleast u can employ it as such
hollow oracle
I don’t care, I fly the 777-300ER in place of the -200 on short flights anyway 
rustic charm
Fitting reg number
Tbh as much as I don’t care about pretty much anything Airbus, it do be looking nice
rocky prism
The new PMDG 777 looks so good, will definitely purchase at some point
The Boeing I'm really waiting on though is the 757, like please
rustic charm
It should be relatively soon
Bluebird are doing good progress on one
And they’re also doing a 76 and a 78 I think, so we’re in for some good stuff later
Honestly it’s criminal that to this day the only 77s and 76s apart from the 77W are captainsim
eager moon
The only Boeing I'm waiting for is Boeings to be grounded permanent 🤣
rustic charm
Hey, that ain't nice
737 Max are the only "bad" planes tbh. And even then, they fly absolutely fine most of the time
shadow burrow
737 Max are the only "bad" planes tbh. And even then, they fly absolutely fine m...
Apart from the fact there is absolutely zero room to work in them
They have somehow made a 737 cockpit even smaller
And then on top of that they removed half the rear galley
rustic charm
Well true, they don't have almost any room
Even NGs are quite cramped, and MAXs are even more so
shadow burrow
NG’s are fine most of the time because you do have that extra half a metre of cabin space
That’s sent to the cockpit
And some to the rear galley because that is actually a full galley
echo gorge
Gimme gimme gimme
eager moon
737 Max are the only "bad" planes tbh. And even then, they fly absolutely fine m...
And all the recently revealed part quality issues that haven't caused a major incident... Yet
Especially with the dream liner
rustic charm
Yeah, especially the dreamliner, over a thousand of which are flying, some for already up to 15 years, with not a single fatal accident, and as far as I know not even a single accident overall which would be caused by how the aircraft was engineered or manufactured
muted carbon
admittedly my 9 year old FSX screenshots don't really compare with modern MSFS2020 screenshots
rustic charm
It’s fine, they still look good
rocky prism
Even NGs are quite cramped, and MAXs are even more so
I work as ramp for an airline, at my base we have purely 800s (and a few 300s). They trialed some new loading techniques to save on fuel and trying to get 160 bags in hold 3 on 1 isn’t fun
Stopped doing it now, mainly as OTP went out the window. Finding one bag could destroy all the hard work of putting them in 😂
I really need to fly the PMDG products I have more though, just looks very confusing to me. Still need to have a proper go with the Maddog and the new MD-11 too
reef isle
admittedly my 9 year old FSX screenshots don't really compare with modern MSFS20...
I think they look nice 😄
rustic charm
Going for a flight, Alaska 67 Ketchikan - Sitka, without photogrammetry cause my wifi is shit now
There was something weird with generator 1, it showed some lights, but I can confirm the good ol "Turn it off and on again" works
Now imagine this but in a 72 instead of a 73
Although I don't think those flown milk runs tbf
rustic charm
A goaround
Also confirmed that the ILS here is set up to lead you into the water to the side of the runway
Gonna be bit challenging landing manually with incorrect ILS in such conditions
And that's a landing
Last time I was landing here, visibility was much better and the landing was much easier xD
lethal jasper
I mean it is a problem, but also its LDA/RNAV only airport.
rustic charm
Yeah
But it’s overall that the position of the airport in the instruments doesn’t match the real position of the airport
And idk if that’s the problem of the game, the plane or the specific airport because it’s the Northern Sky Studio payware version
lethal jasper
Most likely payware issue, as they haven't re-aligned navdata or misplaced the airport
rustic charm
Doubt that they misplaced the airport because it matches where it is on Volanta, so it’s most likely they’ve not updated navdata
At some point I’ll probably verify that the issue is specifically with the payware version by trying other planes and trying the default airport, and will after that contact them probably to report the issue. Maybe we’ll see a fix then
(I’m probably one of 10 people who fly there anyway)
rustic charm
Seems like the famous flyer 707 was pushed back to September, for a 2-month delay from the original planned release date
Gives me a slight bit of hope that it’s gonna be decent, but still doubt
reef isle
Yesterday I took advantage of the ATC covarage in Japan because of the event to do a short flight from South Korea
I really love flying in south korean and japan, VATSIM ATC is always welcome, and if you fly /A the procedures and airspace structure are just as good (if not even better tbh) than the US
and Japan is so nice that not even Xplane11 can make it look bad
Imagine having a Japan Air DC-10 or ANA L-1011 in MSFS 🥲
reef isle
Imagine just overall having a tristar in MSFS
Yeah tell me about it
it's my favourite aircraft
rustic charm
Hopefully one day
untold finch
From experience... the one in MSFS feels a little bit oversized if anything, they're really quite cramped in real life. Otherwise, really good representation of a fantastic helicopter.
Seems to simulate settling with power quite well though, was surprised at how willing it was to bite me for flying it poorly.
rustic charm
is that still expected this month?
Gonna dig up a conversation from 3 days ago I guess, but I was just told FSS announced a release date for the 72 actually, with a slight delay from the original end of July plan, the 72 is planned for August 6. Just saying in case anyone didn't know yet like me
hollow oracle
every time i do a flight after a few days out of practice, im like extremely paranoid that ive forgotten something
hollow oracle
cant send landing video because of budget cuts :(
-391fpm landing though, hard but in the top 10 best ive done ngl
balmy minnow
Ataturk?
balmy minnow
isn’t Ataturk out of service now because of the new airport?
rustic charm
Kinda
balmy minnow
if so then it won’t work because the injector pulls real life traffic information and injects the correct models and liveries in their place
rustic charm
It’s a general aviation airport now
Private jets, etc
Plus a diversion point of course. I’ve flown into LTFM irl not long ago (as a passenger of course), and a couple days before that the flight I was on was diverted to Ataturk. And that was an Aeroflot triple. So the airport is capable of handling such flights
In MSFS I’d obviously fly to/from LTFM, cause that’s how it is now, but I don’t have it 😅
It’s actually kinda bad that one of the busiest airports in the world is not by default in MSFS
hollow oracle
midnight whale
hollow oracle
A340?
oh, latinvfr?
i can only stomach their stuff using the headwind mods, and even then its really not that good
rustic charm
Unfortunate that it’s the only choice for some stuff
hollow oracle
does the FBW A320neo use custom models?
i kind of assumed that because it was built off of the asobo, it just used the asobo models, but i think i saw somewhere that its a completely custom model actually, it just looks like the asobo
plus, if they can model an entire A380 with cockpit and everything, i think an A320 is easier just by surface area
reef isle
i kind of assumed that because it was built off of the asobo, it just used the a...
I think the cockpit model is custom (they did that relatively recently) IIRC the external model is definitely asobo
If you want to check for yourself look at the wing root
The Asobo model has a stupidly thick wing in that area
The ini model is a lot better
(it could also be that FBW took Asobo's model and did some small changes to it as well)
hollow oracle
Instagram
untold finch
rustic charm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xyMlVVRX7A
Under a week left til it now
Looks lovely in my opinion
untold finch
agreed, i'm impressed by what i'm seeing
rustic charm
It’s probably gonna be a rather quick purchase for me
Just kinda wish they started out with passenger variants, but this is good too
untold finch
i'm just happy that i can finally roleplay aerosucre
i'm going to do every unsafe thing i can think of short of crashing the aircraft
reef isle
rustic charm
i'm going to do every unsafe thing i can think of short of crashing the aircraft
“Finally I can do whatever I want while still being realistic”
rustic charm
Oh how I want a 737 Original in MSFS
reef isle
Oh how I want a 737 Original in MSFS
Blackbird said their one is going to be the Nolinor retrofit 🤮
I guess our only hope is that FSS does it after the 727 at this point
rustic charm
But we don’t want retrofits, we want a true real 60s 737-200!!!
reef isle
you say '60s, but a lot of US carriers didn't retrofit theirs even in the '90s and early 2000s even
rustic charm
Also I didn’t even know anyone was doing one for MSFS, but tbh might even consider it like there isn’t one overall yet
reef isle
while in Europe I saw a photograph of a RYR 732 from (I believe) 93 (?) and they already had a gps unit
reef isle
Also I didn’t even know anyone was doing one for MSFS, but tbh might even consid...
I'd rather have nothing than this
and I'm perfectly happy with Xplane 11
rustic charm
you say '60s, but a lot of US carriers didn't retrofit theirs even in the '90s a...
Well yeah, I just say 60s cause that’s the time the plane’s from. Even in the 00s non-retrofit 732s are technically 60s planes
rustic charm
https://www.journal-aviation.com/actualites/images/JAV20180627161559.jpg
True
reef isle
Well yeah, I just say 60s cause that’s the time the plane’s from. Even in the 00...
yeah, I just said that because a lot of people assume that those were retrofitted almost immediately as tech became available (so in the mid/late '80s) but it's not true
rustic charm
Like seriously, you decide to make a 732 and you specifically choose to make the ‘modern’ one? Why?
rustic charm
Having both is good, but having the retrofitted yet no original isn’t really understandable for me
I just hope we get a true one at some point
As you said, FSS could maybe go for one after they’re done with the 727. I reckon these two would be quite similar in terms of some systems, and while making a 732 would still be a lot of effort, it’s gonna be less than trying to make one from ground up with no base whatsoever
reef isle
Having *both* is good, but having the retrofitted yet no original isn’t really u...
yeah agreed
reef isle
As you said, FSS could maybe go for one after they’re done with the 727. I recko...
Well, this is the thing I don't really understand about the lack of classic planes, if you want to make one that's "good enough" for most people (like what I suspect the 707 and the Caravelle will be), it's SOOO much easier to make it compared to a "good enough" modern aircraft, even if you want to make a very good one, it's going to be so much easier.
I think Just Flight had the right idea with the Fokkers and the 146/RJ, they first did the 146 and F-28, which are A LOT simpler than the F70/100 and RJ (because they obviously lacks an entire "layer" of automation and system depth), and then they used that as a base for the more modern version.
Doing these old and basic aircraft should be SO MUCH easier than doing another A330, or a 737MAX, or what have you, and there definitely is at least some demand, I thought a lot of people were excited for the Caravelle and the 707, and I've heard from multiple sources that the F28 sold really well (and I'd assume also the 146)
I think FSS had an amazing idea with the 727, doing exactly what I described above, and I think it's going to be a resounding succes. I can't understand why more developers aren't doing the same
rustic charm
Definitely. It’s easier to make them, cause you don’t have to simulate very intricate modern automatic navigation systems and stuff
reef isle
yeah exactly
and most of them are still part of the popular culture, in certain places at least, I think a DH Comet, VC-10, Trident or a BAC 1-11 would sell really well in the UK for example
rustic charm
I think FSS had an amazing idea with the 727, doing exactly what I described abo...
At first I wasn’t really hyped about the 727 cause of what’s up with FSS E jets, but genuinely it looks so amazing and I think they’re really doing the right thing. There’s definitely demand for these older planes cause there’s almost none of them in the sim
reef isle
and I can understand that only more "experienced" devs will tackle more complex and challenging aircraft (for example, DC-10, L1011, A300B4, etc...) but there are TONS of much simpler planes that would add so much to the sim, but nobody is doing them...
reef isle
At first I wasn’t really hyped about the 727 cause of what’s up with FSS E jets,...
The 727 is really good
rustic charm
and most of them are still part of the popular culture, in certain places at lea...
Oh I’d love the comet or the VC-10, very nice planes
reef isle
I think it's even better than the Xplane one
rustic charm
The 727 is really good
It genuinely looks wonderful, I’m definitely gonna be getting it as soon as possible. Again wish they did the passenger version first, but I assume that will follow relatively quickly so I don’t mind much anyway
reef isle
Oh I’d love the comet or the VC-10, very nice planes
also another thing that drives me mad, is that from time to time in all sorts of discords (I remember it happening at least in the TFDi and Fenix discord) the dev or some "executive" says something "oh the BAC 1-11/VC-10 is my favourite aircraft", and a large part of the community responds positively and says "yeah that would cool" but then those projects never materialise.... W H Y
reef isle
It genuinely looks wonderful, I’m definitely gonna be getting it as soon as poss...
I'm not entirely sure I'll get it immediately, but that's just because
- I have it on Xplane already
- I fly almost exclusively pax
- There are a lot of interesting planes coming out at the same time
I think I'll definitely buy it once they release their own FMC (which is something I don't have on Xplane), that's going to be good for early/mid 2000s European ops 😄
rustic charm
also another thing that drives me mad, is that from time to time in all sorts of...
I genuinely don’t know. Plus that would make for higher quality of the final product too, simply because… well if you’re making something you genuinely like, it only makes sense to make it in highest quality possible
rustic charm
I'm not entirely sure I'll get it immediately, but that's just because
1. I hav...
That’s understandable. I also fly exclusively passenger pretty much, but I just want it specifically for that old style navigation. For now I fly the F28 for that. And genuinely I fly it just for the experience of manually navigating by VORs real time, cause for the love of god I can’t land that thing
reef isle
That’s understandable. I also fly exclusively passenger pretty much, but I just ...
Yeah, I hear you, that's really cool, that's why I got Xplane lol, I got tired of flying only the 146 and the F28
rustic charm
And it’s true that quite a lot of interesting planes are being released. I mean, for MSFS alone within just 1.5 months we have the MD-11, the 77W and the 722F
reef isle
And it’s true that quite a lot of interesting planes are being released. I mean,...
I meant more like in the near future, There's still a chance I might get the 772 (although it's quite slim), I'll definitely get the Beech Starship, and then I'll have to figure out what to do with the 727 and Avro RJ
and yeah, as I predicted I'm not flying the MD11 nearly as much as I wanted
rustic charm
And considering that they’re not cheap, MD and 77 are $80 each, of course can’t get everything right away
reef isle
I think if the 772 is more than €60 it's going to be a hard pass (for now at least)
rustic charm
I meant more like in the near future, There's still a chance I might get the 772...
True, the near future looks very nice indeed. The RJ and F70/100 don’t look like they’re too far away, then the 707 and Caravelle are planned for September iirc, not far either, and I feel like Bluebird’s 757 is not awfully far away either
reef isle
True, the near future looks very nice indeed. The RJ and F70/100 don’t look like...
Yeah, totally forgot to mention the 707 and Caravelle, I think I'll end up getting both, but I might skip the 707 and go straight to the carevelle if the 707 isn't good enough
rustic charm
Yeah, totally forgot to mention the 707 and Caravelle, I think I'll end up getti...
Yeah, 707 is under a question, especially considering that a different version is in development too
reef isle
yeah, and also there's a decent 720 on Xplane as well ahah
rustic charm
True
I might skip on the caravelle just cause I don’t really fly Europe much. Or I might get it and start to fly Europe, idk
rustic charm
Though being fair, they’re both Famous Flyers, right? Meaning most likely they’re gonna be relatively cheap, compared to the pricetags of PMDG for example
reef isle
Though being fair, they’re both Famous Flyers, right? Meaning most likely they’r...
yeah definitely
I'm not really sure exactly what to expect
they might either be crazy chap (maybe around 15€), or more likely (IMO) they'll be around 20/25/30€?
rustic charm
I hope that a 2-month delay will at least somewhat pay off in better quality
rustic charm
they might either be crazy chap (maybe around 15€), or more likely (IMO) they'll...
Well I doubt they’ll gonna be €15, but maybe 25? That isn’t bad either
I just hope they’re gonna be good enough, cause genuinely both are really nice early airliners
reef isle
yeah agreed
rustic charm
It’s a shame that we don’t get many planes from those times. It’s understandable that the market is larger for modern planes, but there’s a lot of people who want the older planes too
hollow oracle
https://fselite.net/content/ifly-737-max8-cabin-walkthrough/
will it include realistic MCAS simulation?
any time something goes wrong i can just blame boeing instead of my piloting skills too, its perfect
untold finch
crisp adder
any time something goes wrong i can just blame boeing instead of my piloting ski...
"Sorry Boss, the crash definitely wasn't on me slamming the plane on the runway, it's Boeings fault, I swear!"
rustic charm
Montes will approve
hollow oracle
these are perfect flight conditions for my first ever flight in the A300 
rustic charm
Mate, trust me, nothing's better than a good old rain, a bunch of turbulence and hellish approaches all together
hollow oracle
while also seeing this plane for the first time ever
rustic charm
Definitely
hollow oracle
didnt get to take off, i think i need to watch a video rather than trying to figure out where everything is from the checklist
hollow oracle
where is the transponder in the A300 freighter?
the tutorial im watching is for the passenger variant specifically, and it seems like thats changed between versions
found it, its part of the lower left knee panel, under "TUN", you can set your squawk there too
my ass could never be a real pilot lmao, id be looking for something for like hours while holding short with a traffic jam behind me
as expected, this is a mess, autothrottle does not want to cooperate, i turned into my flight plan WAY too early and way too low
its definitely like a boeing crossed with an airbus, but the boeing part is more like a gigantic tumor on someone like brad pitt
i like how you can transport anything from F1 cars to horses too
i can see myself flying this fairly frequently
hollow oracle
this is going to be an awesome first approach and landing, i can already tell
thats the turbulence radar
hollow oracle
well, im qualified to fly the A300 now i think
i was doing a CATIII with a 50ft decision height, and it almost came down to going around
i definitely bounced on landing too, but if you cant see the runway then any landing is a good landing i think
-112fpm landing though, suck on that 
now this was the confidence booster i really needed
lmao, im only realizing now, i never unset standard
crisp adder
tardy hedge
is it me or the new MSFS update kinda broke MSFS
i just tried selecting windowed to fullscreen and my game completely crashed
crisp adder
tardy hedge
clouds really showing off their beauty today
what a steep angle to have without the seatbelt light
crisp adder
clouds really showing off their beauty today
Agreed, flying right now over Europe is beautiful.
tardy hedge
thank god my boredom chose to fly today
but the approach into stockholm will be a bit of a pain
😭
MSFS doesnt dissapoint
crisp adder
I´m just glad I have an evening for myself to do some flightsimming. Weekend is already busy as hell, next weeks, too. As for your approach/landing: It´s never wrong to go around. 😉
I´m flying south to Ibiza, gonna drop off a bunch of drunk Germans.
tardy hedge
ive never done a GA
😭
I FUCking hate summer
my GPU keeps overheating
and its crazy cuz its not even that hot
hollow oracle
freight airline operation, atleast UPS and fedex, is so crazy
im watching flightradar24 to get an idea of some flights i can do in the A300, and the way both airlines operate is so curious
they start at night, and they do "pulses" of in/out traffic alternating
like, fedex will get ALL arrivals within a few hours from 11:00PM local until around 1-2:00AM, and then theyll send all their departures out after that, at around 4:00AM
lethal jasper
Amazon is the same where I'm at. I can tell which contracted operator and aircraft by the engine rumble on t/o and time of day lol.
hollow oracle
im in like the worst possible spot for planespotting and railfanning, the closest railroads are industrial lines that have been pulled up, and the only flights to go over my house are pittsburgh-philly ones that always have gross e-jets on them, but very occasionally an A321
crisp adder
like, fedex will get ALL arrivals within a few hours from 11:00PM local until ar...
DHL does the same into/out of Leipzig. I ordered stuff from Amazon.JP a few times with air freight. It's a very impressive, very well oiled machine. They shipped stuff to Tokyo, flew it into Leipzig over night where the goods were checked by the on-site costums office and then later transported to the local hubs for delivery. I think the fastest delivery was at my doorstep within three days, with the air freight phase being the shortest leg (in terms of time, not distance if course).
hollow oracle
theyve only had like 100+ years to figure out how to do airmail efficently
mild zenith
malle besser 🍺
hollow oracle
how do i get the A300 to climb?
once i activate AP, whatever altitude its at, itll just sit at and think im trying to land
its on profile, no constraints, and no matter what i do, it just sits at the altitude
which is obviously dangerous, because you cant fly over downtown memphis at 1000ft above, while rolling into your first waypoint
now it went to LVL/CH, and once it reached the altitude it kicked into ALT.HLD, and im unable to change it back
i need to figure out takeoff speeds too, because i pre-set the V2 speed as you do, but once i hit autothrottle it instantly cuts the engines and i get dangerously close to stalling and crashing right after takeoff. do you pre-set the takeoff speed, and then like, put in 250 so youll hit V2, and once you hit autothrottle itll go up to 250?
im just fighting with the autopilot constantly to get it set in the right modes, for takeoff and climb
trim harbor
The 727 is really good
Is it out?
reef isle
Is it out?
I think only for the people that bought it in person at FSExpo
But I've seen a bit of content with it
hollow oracle
well, i dont really have to worry about it i guess, because my game crashed 🥹
rustic charm
Is it out?
Should be out for everyone in 4 days
Well, 3 days kinda
It’s releasing on 6th by plan
And iirc somewhere in the morning too
rustic charm
i need to figure out takeoff speeds too, because i pre-set the V2 speed as you d...
While I never flown the A300 and idk how it’s done there, on the 73 I always input the V1 into MCP before takeoff. And I enable autothrottle before taking off, once I’m lined up on the runway, cause how else will you go TOGA. With that the plane goes into N1 mode which means it won’t cut power once it reaches the speed input in the MCP, and after that once LNAV and VNAV are enabled, it just goes to VNAV Speed
lethal jasper
I always do V2+10 to 20, incase of engine failure 🧠
rustic charm
I just set V1 to make sure the takeoff roll looks right, but I’m not sure what’s the official procedure at Alaska
dusky leaf
hollow oracle
While I never flown the A300 and idk how it’s done there, on the 73 I always inp...
you cant enable autothrottle before takeoff in the A300, but i believe (im not sure if its realistic) where the autothrottle cut switch is on the throttle, is a toga button, which enables autothrottle right after wheels off the tarmac
rustic charm
So I wanna try to go NDB-only lol
reef isle
So I wanna try to go NDB-only lol
Be prepared for 25NM range on MSFS
I think a few have a bit more
and a few have even less (around 10/15)
But from my experience most of them are around 25
Which really isn't good enough to do most things lol
rustic charm
Well to be fair, I'm going Sitka to Juneau, and most of the time I'll be a couple miles from the beacon lol
reef isle
Fair, to be safe if you're going NDB to NDB I'd advice to keep your legs around 25/30/35NM, to account for shorter ranges NDBs
rustic charm
Like, departure is quite easy. I turn right for a specific heading until I intercept Elephant NDB/Sisters Island VOR, but if those are out of range I can just tune Sitka NDB on an outbound heading instead
Then it's literally a direct leg to Elephant NDB and I'm pretty much on the approach
reef isle
Then it's literally a direct leg to Elephant NDB and I'm pretty much on the appr...
Are you doing IME DCT CGL?
rustic charm
But thanks for the advice btw. I was wondering why the NDB wasn't working correctly when I was doing Ketchikan - Sitka
reef isle
That's 82NM.... 😬
reef isle
But thanks for the advice btw. I was wondering why the NDB wasn't working correc...
Yeah, it's unfortunate as a lot of places don't have any other navaids
rustic charm
Thankfully Alaska is full of VORs, plus obviously it's an NG so I have LNAV. Just wanna go NDB-only as a challenge
rustic charm
Are you doing IME DCT CGL?
Simbrief gave me STKA9 DCT SSR DCT PAJN but what I'll end up doing is a bit different to be fair
reef isle
I can try and fish back some old routes I did with NDBs
But you might need some dead reckoning in between
reef isle
Simbrief gave me STKA9 DCT SSR DCT PAJN but what I'll end up doing is a bit diff...
Oh yeah if you follow that you'll just be using VORs
rustic charm
Yeah
reef isle
You can try and makeshift an NDB approach if you want lol
reef isle
Yeah, I was about to say
rustic charm
Well that is if the weather is good. If not, I'll probably just go ILS
reef isle
You can do 71° off of CGL
I think if you wanted to properly make a makeshift NDB you could do a teardrop on top of CGL with 71° as your final CRS
rustic charm
Yeah, but considering I'm gonna be coming to CGL from EEF it's gonna be easier to line up without doing a teardrop
reef isle
I'll try and see the difference between the outbound and inbound on some random Canadian fileds that only have NDBs
reef isle
Yeah, but considering I'm gonna be coming to CGL from EEF it's gonna be easier t...
But where's the fun in that 
rustic charm
Well Juneau approaches are fun no matter which kind you do anyway tbh
Cause you get that turn into the runway, bit over 14 degrees, and terrain isn't exactly the best either
The only one I did that is worse is Tivat (which as a matter of fact currently is my local airport) with even worse terrain and an even bigger turn on final xD
reef isle
Well Juneau approaches are fun no matter which kind you do anyway tbh
Yeah fair enough
True
rustic charm
So should I make life absolute hell for myself and not use the autothrottle either to get the true old school experience? xD
reef isle
You can do this if you want 🙂
rustic charm
Well that does seem like an idea
reef isle
You can do this if you want 🙂
Trust me. Chart very good 👍
rustic charm
But I'm coming from the south after all, would make more sense to have it as less of a detour xD
reef isle
Very real procedure. You can 100% trust me
reef isle
But I'm coming from the south after all, would make more sense to have it as les...
Ahah yeah definitely
rustic charm
Trust me. Chart very good 👍
Definitely
To be honest, that's the best hand-drawn chart I've ever seen
(This is the only hand-drawn chart I've ever seen)
reef isle
(This is the only hand-drawn chart I've ever seen)
Regarding A/T do what you feel like
If you're not familiar with NDBs maybe keep it on as you'll already have to monitor your CRS to the NDB quite closely
If you're not used to it also having to monitor the speed might be overwhelming
(reminder that there's going to be no radial to follow, just put the pointer in the right location with heading mode and keep it there)
rustic charm
Eh it's fine, I did fly the Fokker several times after all
reef isle
OOOH, you know another good place for NDB navigation? Some parts of Russia and ex Warsaw pact countries
reef isle
Eh it's fine, I did fly the Fokker several times after all
Ah you should be fine then
I remember doing some Tu-154 flights that relied on NDB
I'll try to find one
rustic charm
Eh it's fine, I did fly the Fokker several times after all
(Several being 2. I only did 2 full flights in the fokker. Neither of the landings was good, but that's more just me not being used to how it handles and being on a keyboard)
reef isle
(Several being 2. I only did 2 full flights in the fokker. Neither of the landin...
Are you doing all this with a keyboard?
rustic charm
Also, is there a reliable source for QNH values? Cause for Sitka I found a value of 29.71 as QNH at sea level, but with that the plane shows me as 400ft underground
rustic charm
Are you doing all this with a keyboard?
Yeah, I have nothing else
rustic charm
To be fair, the 737 handles very good with the keyboard
And I got used to it
While with the Fokker for example, you genuinely need to press down the buttons to move the yoke. With the 738 a slight tap on Num4/6 is enough for slight corrections and to be fair I don't usually go much more. With other planes, it isn't as easy
rustic charm
So, basically thanks PMDG for making it keyboard-useable
reef isle
Something with two axis of movement
rustic charm
Do you not even have a game controller?
I have an Xbox 360 one but I don't have a usb cable to connect it, and without connecting it once by cable you can't connect that one wirelessly
reef isle
I have an Xbox 360 one but I don't have a usb cable to connect it, and without c...
Can you not just buy the cable?
reef isle
Ahahahah fair enough
reef isle
URWW ST2E ST G128 ER DCT ND ND6Y URKK
Anyway, if you want to save that routing this was good fun for practicing NDBs 🙂
Maybe look for some other flightss around there as well
rustic charm
Seems nice
Krasnodar is sadly closed to passenger traffic now
But could always fly it as if it was a couple years ago
reef isle
Yeah, I think I flew it with a Ural Tu-154
rustic charm
Btw I did catch EEF NDB right at Sitka so seems that one is still in range
reef isle
Nice
rustic charm
I'm thinking, why the hell not hand-fly it
Being this far north, headings are only a hassle, considering that what you input into the MCP is not the same as where you fly
reef isle
I don't think you're far north enough for that to be a problem, but definitely sounds a good enough excuse to me
rustic charm
Well, I have 353 on the MCP, and it's feeling quite comfortable staying at heading 358
reef isle
Well, I have 353 on the MCP, and it's feeling quite comfortable staying at headi...
Ugh, can you share a picture of your Nd?
rustic charm
And it's going smoothly surprisingly
Said this too soon I didn't realise just how close the 2 airports are. Overflew EEF at the cruising altitude of FL160
reef isle
I wanted to say it seemed a really short flight hahahahahhahahah
rustic charm
Well I'm at 5000 now
reef isle
You can do this if you want 🙂
Maybe this wasn't such a bad idea after all 😭
rustic charm
True
This ain't looking that beautiful, but at the very least I'm visual with the runway
I'm on the ground
And to be fair, while approach (if it can even be called that) wasn't very beautiful, the landing sure was
Anyway, never hand-flying again
I'll probably delete this off Volanta and re-do the flight normally as any NG would now. This was fun though
To be fully honest, if I didn't miss the descent, it would've been fine I think
Back in Sitka I guess?
reef isle
I'll probably delete this off Volanta and re-do the flight normally as any NG wo...
Nice
And I wouldn't mind volanta
Maybe just add a tag
rustic charm
It's also quite surprisingly clear, ngl
reef isle
I also have a junky fully hand flown flight
rustic charm
All my previous landings in Juneau were very bad visibility, and last time I was in Sitka it also had very low cloud cover (and wrong ILS too...)
rustic charm
It's fine in the 73s
Like genuinely
It feels fine, it feels right
Any other plane I wouldn't be able to do it
And I've reached T/D
(I was on the FL160, which was given to me by Simbrief, for a total of 40 seconds)
rustic charm
Butchered the almost-landing so decided to go around
rustic charm
Okay it was still not that good
dusky leaf
Some nutjob landed on the golf course 😆
rustic charm
To be honest if it's broken and stays on it doesn't really matter, you'll just have slightly higher fuel burn
(Environmentalists are gonna paint your plane for it though)
eager moon
The APU will also take a little while before it shuts down anyway
It's not an instantaneous thing when you flip the switch. At least not on any addon I've flown
Whether or not that's realistic, couldn't tell you
hollow oracle
It’s normal, it takes a while for it to spool down, the same thing happens in A320s
When you turn your APU off after engine start, depending on your taxi length, by the time you hold short it could still be reading AVAIL
shadow burrow
Whether or not that's realistic, couldn't tell you
It is
There is a reason as well
It’s because if you just switch the air system over immediately your gonna have a very smelly cabin
eager moon
Yeah I figured as much
hollow oracle
hollow oracle
i was like "oh ill fly the bredok3d 737 max 8 today, that sounds like fun", it is not fun
it is what travelbytrain is to railworks
tardy hedge
https://youtu.be/v2t3eSSyqKg?si=9wMnPBANmfC-WKsu
i watched this video so many times and its perfect
😭
especially when he just starts beatboxing when the horn comes on
hollow oracle
when your pilot flying does a little victory dance after a 30deg takeoff and almost stalls 
i love how the guy teaching jerma just has him hand fly the entire departure rather than activiating autopilot for him
thats hard sometimes, even for someone like me, who has the hours but not the technique
hollow oracle
ive never actually encountered severe turbulence in MSFS before, but the mountains out of LAS really created some crazy turbulence
like, visually moving about, not just the yoke kind of moving a little bit more than it usually does
hollow oracle
had to go around at LAX, which means the flight is dead because i dont know go around procedures in a 737 yet 😭
the glideslope shit out on me again, for some reason itll just... stop, and then ill float above the runway at like 200ft, so i have to manually put it down, which is not easy at all
i dont want to nose down too hard to land it, and i also dont want to cut the engines and land like a rock
atleast it was only like a 1hr flight, im not too pissed to lose that
i can land an A300 in literal negative visbility and a thunderstorm, but i cant land a 737 at LAX on a clear day because the glideslop was not perfect enough for me
my confidence was built up and completely destroyed within 3 days
i really need to do a few flights with intentional planned goarounds i think, ive done one before in the A320, but not in any boeing aircraft
it also really doesnt help that a go-around usually involves a few "oh shit"s and mild panicing
rustic charm
the glideslope shit out on me again, for some reason itll just... stop, and then...
Well the glideslope isn't gonna automatically land the plane for you in any airport
Also as for a goaround, just press toga (twice if you need full thrust quickly, once if it's not as critical and the engines can have some time) and the plane is gonna go into goaround mode. Then you can just enable the autopilot with VNAV and LNAV and it's gonna automatically take you to a missed approach hold
And while flying to/holding at the missed approach hold, you have more than enough time to reconfigure for another approach. You can even set up the route in the FMC just as you would any other arrival
reef isle
i dont want to nose down too hard to land it, and i also dont want to cut the en...
I think the G/S being awkward below 200ft is a normal MSFS thing
hollow oracle
Well the glideslope isn't gonna automatically land the plane for you in any airp...
it stopping and floating at 200ft is way higher than normal though
im used to the glideslope running you down pretty damn close to the runway, and setting you up to glide down manually with no real input
reef isle
im used to the glideslope running you down pretty damn close to the runway, and ...
do you usually fly in handcrafted airport or place where you have scenery?
rustic charm
Tbh I take over earlier anyway pretty much always
At Juneau you have to take over in any case because of that turn into the runway, glideslope stops around 3 miles from the threshold. At Sitka the ILS is wrong and you have to make a significant correction. And at other airports I fly to like Cordova, Yakutat, Ketchikan I just take over earlier because it's an easy landing and I wanna hand-fly at least some part
hollow oracle
do you usually fly in handcrafted airport or place where you have scenery?
a mix, but usually a handcrafted airport if available
rustic charm
Enroute to the helliest airport I've flown to - Tivat
Also doing an RNP approach
Cause for some reason chartfox (I've been told it's a good one to use, so using it cause skyvector only has america) doesn't show locdme as an option
lethal jasper
Cause for some reason chartfox (I've been told it's a good one to use, so using ...
idk about locdme 32 but it has loc 32
rustic charm
Yeah ik
But thing is, it shows just the loc 32, but iirc 111.30 includes a glideslope too. And the approach is basically the same iirc, except you have the glideslope
lethal jasper
ah, even navigraph doesnt have it then
rustic charm
idk about locdme 32 but it has loc 32
Although to be fair there is kinda DME in that one that I didn't notice
It does give heights for the 5.5 degree glideslope, and it does correctly mark TAZ NDB as the glideslope intercept point
rustic charm
It was much calmer with GPWS disabled
hollow oracle
turning off GPWS while flying in the dark is a surefire way to plow into the side of a mountain
rustic charm
No other way for Tivat, it’d be triggering the warning constantly
In reality they just don’t fly at night
reef isle
In reality they just don’t fly at night
Really?
I never had to deactive anything to fly there
rustic charm
I’m pretty sure yeah
reef isle
I don't remember having to do anything at least
rustic charm
Last time, when I kept GPWS on, it kept screaming at me all the time while I was on the glideslope
reef isle
I'll remember to try and fly there in the future
the only modern plane I flew there was the A320, maybe that automatically inhibts GPWS?
I've no idea
That aircraft is 50% witchcraft to me
rustic charm
I don’t think it does? Idk. But it’s an A320, I have no idea what I’m talking about here
rustic charm
That aircraft is 50% witchcraft to me
Same except much larger portion of it is
reef isle
maybe I just forgot I had to do it
I didn't fly there in months
I'll remember to fly there maybe later (if I have time), or later this week
rustic charm
Not an airport most of the people think to fly to lol
I just do it cause I’ve been there numerous times in reality. Just is bit more special than any other airport for me at this point, like Sheremetyevo
It’s a lovely airport too anyway
And approaches are all interesting so there’s that
It’s fun how they genuinely don’t fly there at night. The latest departure today is 19:30 local, tomorrow 20:05, yesterday 20:00.
rustic charm
Best advice I can give is don’t waste time on the ground and take to the skies. I doubt there’s gonna be rain at FL300+
reef isle
It’s a lovely airport too anyway
Also there are good options for aircraft
rustic charm
Indeed
reef isle
F28s flew there, 727s, MD82s, etc...
rustic charm
Present day mainly E195s, A319/320/321s, 738s
rustic charm
F28s flew there, 727s, MD82s, etc...
Didn’t know F28s did
Also for not as far in the past, you can have 767s I’m pretty sure
reef isle
Didn’t know F28s did
Supposedly according to their timetable Montenegro Airlines flew there
but I can't find one photograph of a F28 in Tivat
rustic charm
Montenegro Airlines had F100s
rustic charm
I didn’t know they had those too. Nice
reef isle
all the photographs are in Zurich or Germany though :/
reef isle
Well, but then I'm not really checkinf if GPWS works 😭
reef isle
https://flic.kr/p/pytzPY
Oh I remember this airline
I did a lot of research some time ago to find out where exactly they flew and I found next to nothing IIRC
I think they were a charter airline based somewhere in nothern europe
rustic charm
Possibly. I don’t think I ever heard of them yet
tardy hedge
crazy man
i just took off from vienna
it was raining like 25 mins before take off
the clouds moved from the airport to the actual city
woah
realism
what a dangerous flight path im taking today
rustic charm
I did a lot of research some time ago to find out where exactly they flew and I ...
Apparently Conair was a Danish charter based in Copenhagen from 1965 to 1994. Mainly just flew tourists for several agencies from Copenhagen/Stockholm to destinations around the Mediterranean, and occasionally other destinations if needed. So, no specific destination set I guess
An interesting fleet though
5 DC-7s from 1965 to 1972, 10 B720s from 1970 to 1988, 3 A300s from 1987 to 1994, 6 A320s from 1991 to 1994 and they also leased an A310 and a DC-8 at some points
In 1994 merged with a Swedish charter airline to form Premiair, which later became MyTravel, then Thomas Cook Scandinavia and now Sunclass
reef isle
Apparently Conair was a Danish charter based in Copenhagen from 1965 to 1994. Ma...
Yeah, definitely, it's really hard to guess specific flights for those old charter airlines
I wanted to do some Air UK Leisure flights recently and had the same problem
I'll decide where to draw my line on "realistic flights" with thesse airlines in the near future and eventually just settle on places where they got photographed, and they have to make sense from a "Leisure" PoV
which means usually from their home country to the Mediterranean or northern europe (depending if it was winter or summer season)
reef isle
is it worth the hassle
I have around 800h on VATSIM, so I'd say yeah 😅
reef isle
that's cool
737MAX is one of the few modern aircraft I'm excited about
it's so bad and weird it's interesting
tardy hedge
does the 737 max8 still have the manual MCDU?
reef isle
does the 737 max8 still have the manual MCDU?
what do you mean?
the non touchscreen one?
tardy hedge
where you need to type in the legs yourself
wide zenith
737MAX is one of the few modern aircraft I'm excited about
Got 3 of them coming, its about to become the new 320 series
tardy hedge
legs/waypoints
reef isle
Got 3 of them coming, its about to become the new 320 series <:dogelul:106393501...
yeah, sad
reef isle
legs/waypoints
That depends on the Airline, RYR already has the uplink for the route in their NGs for example
wide zenith
I get why, they're the ones that'll sell the most but eh
reef isle
Yeah, sad
wide zenith
I have around 800h on VATSIM, so I'd say yeah 😅
agree also, can be annoying sometimes with the constant changing of controllers that its hard to predict what experience you're gonna have
you also have some people who are very up themselves but mostly chill community
tardy hedge
im scared of getting someone with a literal ass mic so i cant write down what theyre saying
😭
reef isle
that's usually not a problem
at most you'll get someone that hasn't tuned their gain well, so it's either too loud or too quiet compared to the rest of the people talking
being able to adjust the vatsim client's volume on the fly is important for this reason
reef isle
but all controllers have to get through training, if their mic is bad enough they won't pass
reef isle
ive never understood that with vatsim
in the US until you're on a taxiway you're uncontrolled, in Europe you request push
reef isle
just like you do in singleplayer
shift+p, using default ATC, or with an addon, or with GSX
tardy hedge
ok
reef isle
VATSIM (for a pilot) only adds traffic and voice
tardy hedge
i might try it
cuz default atc is just
no
and i dont wanna buy any AI ATC add-ons which cost like 49.99
reef isle
just make sure you know your plane well
you might be asked to:
Change route
Change SID/STAR
Go Direct to a certain waypoint
Go Direct to a certain waypoint after passing an altitude/another waypoint
And more I can't think about
if you're familiar with your plane and how to use the FMC they you are most likely fine