Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[rustic charm]

Yup but I’ve not yet found an airline that has a nice livery and flies the 737 in Europe. I don’t wanna fly Ryanair

[reef isle]

Malev, Aeroitalia and Transavia are nice 🙂

If you don't mind mismatching the NG with the Classic you could also fly Mistral and Easyjet

[wide zenith]

KLM, Jet2, TUI, ASL and Westatlantic for cargo ops too

more western eu tho

[full plank]

easyjet even with the -700

don't know if a repaint exists in the ops center for msfs, certainly did in P3D

Skytravel/Travel Service I think their name is? out of Prague airport aswell

fun little turn I did in the 739

[reef isle]

Oh yeah i totally forgot they had the -700

but IIRC they had them without winglets? right? (PMDG moment)

Can't believe I flew a plane made after the '80s (ignore all my Beluga flights )

SU15 is super smooth 😄

[hollow oracle]

A220?

[reef isle]

E190

I wish it was the A220...

[hollow oracle]

i see pointy nose and instantly think A220 for some reason

[lethal jasper]

Is that the FSS E-jet above, just looked it up. Since when did it get RNAV/RNP? I forget which payware jets lack RNAV/RNP

[eager moon]

I think it's had that for a while? It's VNAV it lacks as far as I know

I own the e175 and have been patiently waiting on their promise of its implementation

[lethal jasper]

That's the one, vnav

[hollow oracle]

https://youtube.com/shorts/keOIa6SQbnQ?si=4WqEMvNgAM7y1jsS

[shadow burrow]

Braathens, Norwegian, Cimber, Hapag Lloyd, HLX, Travel Service, XL Airways, Aeroitalia, Neos

Many many many more

[rustic charm]

Thanks for all the suggestions folks

[shadow burrow]

Hapag Lloyd my beloved

[reef isle]

I don't think it has VNAV still? I didn't try to use it that flight

[echo gorge]

airberlin

done

[lethal jasper]

define 'nice' lol

[reef isle]

Airberlin my beloved

[trim harbor]

The old airberlin livery

So good

Need the F70

[rustic charm]

You are absolutely right

[rustic charm]

Ah damn on flightsim.to there ain't even a retro airberlin livery for the 737s

[untold finch]

Soon™

[neat stirrup]

China Southern

[untold finch]

Pretty decent release. Not really as "revolutionary" as it was hyped up to be, but it looks pretty and does the job it's meant to do at least.

[trim harbor]

Thats how I feel about it

[untold finch]

Testing out C-Scope and Link. Ridiculously effective, this thing has become a proper surgical tool now.

[untold finch]

South Atlantic?

[mortal furnace]

Yarp

[untold finch]

underrated map, imo

it's definitely getting there over time

[trim harbor]

F15 W

[untold finch]

Another upcoming livery from one of the talented artists in the community. All the weathering is based on real references!

[hollow oracle]

i very suddenly remembered why i dont do military aviation

i was playing VTOL VR again for the first time since 2022, went into a mission, got shot down after trying to find where all the action was, quit game

[nimble pond]

Quite a bit of smoke !

[full plank]

hectic week of real world driving, now to do some calming weekend flying

[alpine coral]

Would you recommend? I've been considering getting it recently

[hollow oracle]

It’s very simplified, but it’s a lot of fun even if you just do flights without any missions

I think there’s tutorials but I didn’t do them, so naturally I was all frustrated because I didn’t know how the combat worked, the actually flying is very simple though

[alpine coral]

Sounds good, thanks

I'll get it

[hollow oracle]

There’s an MP3 player panel in the cockpit too, and you can add custom songs, so naturally I did fortunate son, danger zone, stuff like that

[alpine coral]

Oh wow, that's dope 👀

How're the controls?

I heard they're good

[hollow oracle]

They’re pretty good, it feels nice and intuitive in VR

There are mods for the game too

[alpine coral]

Even better, thanks for letting me know

[full plank]

back to the US, to take advantage of the ATC

[trim harbor]

i imagine vatsim as concord quite interesting

[full plank]

its pretty fun using Concorde in the callsigns, but otherwise its pretty bog standard

[neat stirrup]

Siberia thing

[trim harbor]

embraer w

[neat stirrup]

this shit cant get to speed, idk if im doing smth wrong or not

or it hates FL300+ alts

idk what i've done but it's fixed

27kt winds from the left-ish, nearly sideways

[dusky leaf]

Into leaden skies with the kodiak

[reef isle]

I don't know if I ever got that high with the Embraer, but I remember it was fine once?

[trim harbor]

man pmdg needs to hurry up with the T7 so bad

craving to fly emirates

[trim harbor]

no its called flying the embraer

i have the same issues in xplane

[neat stirrup]

embraer be like: im gonna keep you at 156kt and you cant do anything about it

you can but you gotta nose dive for a bit lol

[trim harbor]

for me it levels itself out for 20 mins and then climbs for 5

repeat

[reef isle]

I climbed atg 280kts, and then m .65 and it was fine

with the 195

although I think I only got to FL270?

[neat stirrup]

im flying the 170

[rustic charm]

Holy shit somebody flying Russian airlines

[neat stirrup]

my first flight on S7 and E170

[neat stirrup]

Starting my descend into Yakutsk

[rustic charm]

Cool 'feature' of Russia in MSFS: some airports don't even have runway lights

I guess not much issue for you flying during the day right now

It was not that fun for me arriving into Kazan at night

And the problem that makes it even worse, there's barely any handcrafted airports, at least I've not found many

[neat stirrup]

the end

[neat stirrup]

guess i was lucky the sun was just setting

[rustic charm]

Yup, just a couple hours later you'd have to rely on a mix between instrument navigation and "hope I'm in the fucking right place" navigation

[neat stirrup]

damn

[full plank]

descend down to Heathrow

was meant to fly to New York yesterday, but things unfortunately went wrong

(in the real world that is)

[neat stirrup]

another flight for good measure
Fortaleza - Rio de Janeiro

[neat stirrup]

Dubai - Kabul

[trim harbor]

W airline

Need the max tho

[reef isle]

wanted to try to fly just one airline for a few days (I hope at least a week unless I get bored) so I picked Metrojet, on my third flight at the moment, from Orlando to Cleveland 😄

unfortunately most ATC I had enroute disconnected shortly after I took off🥲

[agile oak]

plen

[rustic charm]

I won’t ask you why you’re flying so low and directly above Moscow State University in a 738 considering that the city is a no flight zone

[abstract mural]

Tbh tho, I don't like the controls, but that might be a personal issue. Thing is, the stick input originates where the virtual Stick is and how you grab it. If you move slightly, everything's fckd.
That's the reason I stopped playing it, but a lot of people have a blast with it. And with steam you can always try

If you got a stick and throttle, I highly recommend DCS tho, it's free and with standalone you can try every module for two weeks

[alpine coral]

The slight movement thing is what I was worried about
Happens to me in MSFS

I'll see how it goes

[shadow burrow]

Airshow

[rustic charm]

Well… that’s an excuse I guess

Although knowing all the stuff, wouldn’t have been authorised irl

Plus I doubt Aerflot would let one of their 737s be used. The things are on quite important flights constantly. Often Dubai and stuff, unless demand is so high they throw a 777/330 there

[mild zenith]

Still just a game 😭

[neat stirrup]

the damn andes

[neat stirrup]

flat Argentina

[rustic charm]

Oh of course, just saying it’s weird to see

[eager moon]

It's weird that you care about it.

[rustic charm]

Nothing weird in discussing screenshots, eh?

I just noticed a cool and unusual screenshot and noted something about it

Plus it's a building I can see every day from my window, of course a screenshot like that stands out to me. It's quite like seeing your local school on someone's screenshot

[eager moon]

Well my apologies, your tone came across as hostile/"why would you do that"

[rustic charm]

Yeah, might've been tbh, but I was saying it more jokingly

[shadow burrow]

@rustic charm theres your answer

Yeah don't ask

[rustic charm]

It does look cool though, I'm not gonna deny

Although I do have some bias towards Aeroflot livery

[shadow burrow]

Aeroflot livery is fire 🔥

[eager moon]

I love the aeroflot liveries

[reef isle]

On final approach to Manchester

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgkrM3YAC1A

[reef isle]

Man that's so sad

my 2 favourite aircraft are the M2000 and the Harrier

[untold finch]

I like all of their modules honestly. The MiG-19 is an absolute hot-rod, and the cannons are super satisfying to use. F-15E has pretty much become my favourite-of-all-time aircraft.

[reef isle]

sad, I only got the Phantom because I pre ordered it ages ago, I'm not buying any DCS module until this is resolved.

If the M2000, Harrier and MiG-19 (another aircraft I was interested in) end up like the Hawk I think I'll abandon DCS for everything but formation flying

which is a big shame, as I was looking forward to the G-91, EFA and F-104

[trim harbor]

im so tempted for kiowa and chinook

and trighanistan

[eager moon]

I'm boutta actually try and learn BMS

Well. In two month when I have my new office built

[trim harbor]

does anyone know a fix for this at dubai airpot lol

this so ugly

[eager moon]

Do you have a third party scenery? If you do you'll need to remove any other default airport from content manager if it exists

I had a similar issue with KSEA and had to remove the default one

[trim harbor]

@untold finch

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/kiowa/

[untold finch]

yep

[trim harbor]

fuck im so tempted

[untold finch]

I'm waiting to hear whether the latest patch broke the Strike Eagle before I think about updating the game, never mind buying a module 😂

[trim harbor]

i bought it - couldnt resist

[reef isle]

Seems like they fixed the A/A - A/G FBW switch in the m2k at least

I've heard some rumours regarding the fact that atm there is 1 person responsible for maintaining all of RB's products

[untold finch]

Galinette is still working on the M2K I think

He practically revamped it for free anyway, so nothing has changed for him in that respect

[reef isle]

That's great to know

Is there any way to support this person?

Economically

[untold finch]

I don't believe so

I think he works for Metrea now so he's probably doing alright for himself

[mortal furnace]

Nobody knows the ins and outs its just back and forth blaming right now atm, How many here know what contracts are signed by either party none of us do even the tubers are only guessing at this point.

[abstract mural]

Anyone here on the ILA at Sunday by any chance?

[untold finch]

https://imgur.com/a/dcs-third-party-license-agreement-7BVG4Vs
This one

[eager moon]

My refund has been approved

[trim harbor]

the kiowa flies amazingly

holy shit

it might just be one of the easiest helicopters ever to fly

[trim harbor]

havent even learned the phantom

[reef isle]

I don't care

Nobody ever said who's fault it is

It doesn't matter

I just want the fricking Harrier and M2000 to be maintained, and the only way that's going to happen is if RB and EB resolve this dispute

Notice how the phrase above doesn't try to put blame on anyone, or tries to share any information of any kind that's not public

[shadow burrow]

Another PFP?

[reef isle]

hm?

[trim harbor]

I have yet to figure out what the best use for it is though

Scouting in dcs is meh, buddy lazing at most in sp

Quick gun and run ig

[rustic charm]

UWKD - UUEE

[shadow burrow]

Pretty dark

[trim harbor]

I doubt thats your screenshot

[shadow burrow]

That's the PMDG 777 leak lol

"coming soon" hopefully not with those ugly engines 🤢

[trim harbor]

What wrong with it

Seems fine

[shadow burrow]

You must be blind

Those fan blades are 2D

With no 3D map

[trim harbor]

I‘m certain thats how the 737 is too

I see no issue with it

[shadow burrow]

No it has a 3D vector map

[shadow burrow]

It's low quality and poor effort by PMDG

They should do better

[trim harbor]

U sit in the cockpit

I don't see the issue

Systems matter over visuals by a long shot

It's an engine blade

[shadow burrow]

You don't but thousands of others do. If you have that mindset might as well play P3D instead

There was a war in forums for this

[trim harbor]

I've been flying since FS2004, including FSX, XP10/11/12, P3d since v3

I have a very wide experience in sims

So no thank you I will not return to p3d where i've spent thousands of dollars on

In the end - u spend the majority of your hours in the flight deck , i doubt you will ever closely inspect the engine for 14 hours straight

[shadow burrow]

People want a high quality product as stated. And for it to be future proof and worth people's money they want it to be as detailed as possible. PMDG has always cut corners by making textures low resolution or modeling not right. Here is a prime example of their incompetent to make something a finished product. The Fan blades on the GE90 are one of the party pieces what's the point in having a really good 77W if it doesn't even have up to date/standard visualizations. Other companies do better

[trim harbor]

You miss the entire point - PMDG has for sure not always cut corners lol. I'm in no way a full PMDG supporter because their company really is a problem child but their work for the past 20 years can not be undermined. They're the leading edge in aircraft development and have shown significant progress. Everyone constantly shits on pmdg for no reason anymore at this point

If you are so bothered by this - dont buy it

Easy

I can legit say the same about the game itslf - the FM is absolute asscrack , which for a company like microsoft, which has years of experience and the proper resources should not be a problem

And as always, every picture shown never represented thefinal product

[shadow burrow]

I'm sorry to say but PMDG is nowhere near other developers when it comes to quality control. Especially on MSFS. Without the constructive criticism PMDG would have terrible reviews. Thanks to people stepping up they actually get forced to make these small details. And before you type "if you don't like it don't buy it mentality" because that's a pointless argument, it's not like we have a second chance or option to go with so the criticism must be taken constructively.

Before you say anything PMDG have apologised and have put to work a 3D vector model for the engine blades already and it will be in the final release.

Thing is people have waited a very long time to get their hands on a 777 so they would like it if the engines weren't as flat as an ironing board. It's a simple fix for a big development team

And this should apply to the upcoming; 737 MAX, 777X, 787, 744, 748

@trim harbor

[trim harbor]

Simple fix yes - not for PMDG, like I said, the products arent bad, the company is scummy, RSR is arrogant. The overall quality they provide is still above average for MSFS standards - so

[shadow burrow]

Well it took them 3 years to make a 737 in msfs that didn't have enough problems to rule it as a bad product. Still doesn't have CPDLC tho.

The quality is okay, the performance is the best part. But the lack of empathy from the dev team is shocking and the development is low quality or poor at times.

I'm excited for the 777, and I am as well for the other planes.

[trim harbor]

Tempted to refund the F15E as I dont fly it anyway

And just get either trighanistan or chinook

[shadow burrow]

If you want military the best company to go for is Just Flight.

They make the best products

[eager moon]

I've received my refund

[echo gorge]

For the strike eagle?

[trim harbor]

talkin about dcs haha

[rustic charm]

PADQ - PANC

PANC - PADQ return, had to circle around in the end to lose some speed. Not the best landing I've done, bounced there

[reef isle]

Isn't that a screenshot from the JF A300?

Why post that here?

[shadow burrow]

Yes the JF A300B4-200

Can't wait for that

And their 747-200

[reef isle]

ok?

[abstract mural]

It's great. But it's also 70 USD

[reef isle]

I really want to buy the MD-11 but at the same time I kind of don't want to, as I don't really see myself using it too much.

I'd buy it mostly to do some cargo runs in the US, and some of the '90s and 2000s "leisure" trips from central/northern Europe to Southern Europe with companies such as Martinair and LTU (I'll also some some of the off milk run-y short flights and repostings flights), but I won't do long haul.

The MD-11 is an aircraft I find extremely interesting, and it's history, and how it came to be is also quite weird and fascinating, I'm looking forward to learning a completely new and different kind of aircraft.

My main concerns are:

-TFDi will probably also do a 717 which is quite similar to the MD-11, so it might not be that "unique", having said that I'm not sure how interested I'd be in the 717 as I already have the MD-80, and I'll also have the F100, so the 717 feels a bit "redundant"

-Once the A300B4 and the 757 are out I don't really see myself using the MD-11 that much, as there is almost a 100% overlap in the things I want to do with the 300 and MD-11

-Although unique, and interesting the MD-11 is modern and advanced, I think I might find it a bit boring

If you could be bothered to read all that, would you have any advice?

I think if it was 50/60 it would be a much easier decision to make, but around 75?

[eager moon]

The tfdi one seems really undercooked from what I've seen

Worse then the rotate even

[trim harbor]

having bought it early and flown it quite abit already - it's great imho, i love the md11 as it was my first plane to fly back in fs2004 - the FM is abit jank and comparable to the 787, the visuals are great, no A/P issues and I believe it may just have a co route system now, TFDi are putting great effort into it which is amazing to see

[eager moon]

Especially in terms of flight model, if you watch some of the videos of it, it's very pitchy, textures and model still look very fsx

[trim harbor]

correct about the FM , textures seem fine to me honestly

[eager moon]

It's not the biggest deal to me but for the price they're asking it should be better

As for the flight model, that's a lot less forgivable from me. It can be modded and fixed, but we shouldn't have to do that on any payware, let alone a massively expensive """"""study level"""""" airliner

[trim harbor]

also regarding that, the md11 is very advanced haha

[trim harbor]

the FM bothers me too, alot, i cant say i enjoy flying it manually at all

[eager moon]

Yeah. You know it's bad when you can SEE it from videos

[trim harbor]

and trim does NOT work at all

[eager moon]

Yeah. That's unacceptable

[trim harbor]

it feels like u have to land it at TOGA too

[eager moon]

If they released it for $20... Sure

But at whatever they're asking for it now, what $70? 100?

No. Not at all

[trim harbor]

although a very bad video because its at night

https://medal.tv/games/microsoft-flight-simulator/clips/2bPDOjiDi5PE-O/d133744mXIFe?invite=cr-MSxyQ3osMjY0NTM3NTQs

[eager moon]

The rotate on xplane is and has always been a pile

[trim harbor]

u can see my struggles with both throttle and controls

[eager moon]

But even it does better

[trim harbor]

it produces alot of drag which is to be expected, but this feels too much

i can barely keep my airspeed

[trim harbor]

they fixed it up well tho

i like flying the rotate

the FM is great atleast lol

[eager moon]

I haven't flown the very latest but even a year after release it was extremely underwhelming

[trim harbor]

i mean u know

they fixed the AP

i bought it on release and the damn thing kept flying offcourse

and nosediving up and down

[reef isle]

Yes I know

That's why I'm kind of scared

[eager moon]

It still hunts on lnav sometimes

Not great

[reef isle]

I fear it's going to be boring

Also I know about the FM. They are going to fix it

[eager moon]

They SAY they are going to fix it

[trim harbor]

tfdi is slow

but they do push updates almost daily rn

[reef isle]

Yes, I'm going to buy it ONCE it's fixed 😄

If I buy it

[trim harbor]

cant u preorder it rn already lo

[eager moon]

https://imgflip.com/i/7jpk91

[reef isle]

Yes but since what happened with DCS I'm only buying things in the state they are now

Although I have quite high confidence in TFDi

[trim harbor]

they like to overpromise too is what i feel like

the first release of the md11 was an actual trashbin

no proper working animations nothing

[reef isle]

As long as they deliver I don't care

So far the opinion of the beta tester customers has been mostly positive with progress being made

They did all the other things they said they would do, I have no reason to believe FM will be different

However I'm not expecting it's going to be great.

[trim harbor]

very true , they are working hard on it

[reef isle]

The way I understand it is that FM is going to be the last major update before public release

So I'm hoping to get it after they update the FM, but before they release it so I can get that $5 dollars off the complete package

[rustic charm]

Just finished the flight, UUEE (Moscow, Sheremetyevo) to UACC (Astana, Nursultan Nazarbayev Intl.)

(Don't mind the final screenshot, the airport is slightly broken)

[mild zenith]

Slightly

[reef isle]

if you look hard enough, you might just notice that the jetway placement is suboptimal

[rustic charm]

Yeah, but it's barely noticeable

[trim harbor]

such a joy to fly

[hollow oracle]

how do you exit a hold in the inibuilds a320neo?

when i try to hit IMM EXIT it takes me to the page with constraints

apparently you just cant exit a hold?

[hollow oracle]

for some reason, every single flight ive done recently has had completely wrong fuel calculations

ill arrive at my destination under the minimum EFOB, i even had a flight where i would have run out on the approach, all generated by simbrief and using the proper airframe for the plane im flying

nevermind, im going to run out of fuel on this flight too, currently i have 730kg and im just turning into the final now

[eager moon]

The ini A320 burns way too much fuel I found

I added an extra 45 minutes of reserve (on top of the 30 minutes + alternate that simbrief already plans) on a flight and still ran out after 1 missed approach and a single lap hold

[hollow oracle]

this is happened to me on the FBW A320 too

[eager moon]

No issue on the FBW or Fenix for me

[hollow oracle]

atleast you can add fuel easily in the inibuilds one, with the FBW you have to go through the weight and balance menu

it pisses me off that i even have to do it, but id rather do that than end a 2 hour flight over it

im even using the inibuilds v2 simbrief profile for it too

[reef isle]

wouldn't be a first for an ini product

AFAIK the Xplane Beluga has the same problem

I had 2 missed approaches and then straight to the closest alternate, and landed with like 300kg of fuel left

[untold finch]

MSFS A300 did the exact same thing until that was fixed

[reef isle]

yeah I remember people complaining about that

definitely seems like an ini thing

[eager moon]

The turbine Duke does too

IT's like a bunch of devs just don't check fuel burn

"we put the right numbers into the config, it will be close enough"

[reef isle]

Yeah that's probably it, maybe not this bad, but yeah... I think one of my favourite threads is on the JF forum, and a person asked them why they didn't make the CG and all weight and balance stuff in the F28 the same as the real thing, and showed a used the the real numbers it would fly like shit"

ahah

that sums up dealing with MSFS flight and engine model quite well unfortunately...

https://community.justflight.com/topic/5846/weight-and-balance-is-off-based-on-fokker-documentation

[reef isle]

@trim harbor sorry for the ping, do you have both the MD11 and the FSS Embraers?

[trim harbor]

MD11 ye, FSS sadly not

waiting for VNAV

[reef isle]

ah

[reef isle]

did you notice that the knobs in the MD11 seem extremely slow?

[trim harbor]

yes

VERY

radio is painful and so is altitude

[reef isle]

god

The FSS Embraers are the same, I wanted to ask if you could compare the two

but good to know it's not just me at least

I've written a (mostly unnecessary) wall of text on their discord

I really hope they change that, it's so annoying

out of all the actually reasonable things that might have changed my mind on buying the MD-11 those knobs might be the thing that make the difference....

[hollow oracle]

i had no idea there was a 717 in MSFS, so i can finally do island hop flights with hawaiian

[eager moon]

The captain scam one?

Or sorry "FSX360" which is just Captain scam under another name

[hollow oracle]

when it comes to anything outside of the A320 and 737 series, i dont really care too much about quality because i rarely run them anyway

[reef isle]

Fair enough

[rustic cedar]

see they're offering refunds for the F-15

feels like that's the final nail surely, rather extreme if not

[eager moon]

Yeah. I got mine

[rustic cedar]

really don’t know much about the situation but it’s sad to see something as iconic as the f-15 end up like this

[trim harbor]

how long did it take?

[eager moon]

About 24 hours from ticket submission. Then another 24 after I accepted the terms and conditions of store credit

[shadow burrow]

Word of advice. MD-11’s ran a lot more than people think

Idk how good the TFDi one is but if it has pax and freight and enough liveries you can pretty much do anything

LTU hops to Dalaman?

Citybird to JFK?

Or a contracted cargo hop from Helsinki to Santiago

Pretty much anything goes

[reef isle]

Well, yes, not as much as the 75, 76 and A300 but yeah, that's why I'm even considering it

[shadow burrow]

It’s also got some really cool nonstandard systems

It’s very “in between” Boeing and Airbus and that genuinely makes me very happy

717 is quite different but just looks similar

[reef isle]

Well, the systems are very similar, obviously there are some differences but it's a similar design philosophy

[shadow burrow]

It’s a modernised md80 so the systems are “shitter”

Yeah

I would get both honestly

[reef isle]

If they were just a bit cheaper I would agree

[shadow burrow]

It’s the same sort of thing as people flying the A330 and the A320

[reef isle]

Well, I don't 😄

[shadow burrow]

Eh

[reef isle]

I'm not interested in the A330 in the slightest

Same for the 777

[shadow burrow]

FSDP will show you the sheer amount stuff you can actually do with the MD11

[reef isle]

Yeah, already use it

[shadow burrow]

I just can’t wait to bin off all my old painted window liveries on the rotate to get a full pax version as well

It’s a very nice aircraft to fly

But eh

If it’s not for you it’s not for you

I will also note actually there is a lot more you can do with an MD11 than a 717

[reef isle]

I don't think it's not for me, I just maybe wanted a bit more insight in the TFDi model, for example the knobs being very slow is good to know, the fact the flight models is still bad is good to know.

I'm aware that it did a lot more than just long haul, but so did the 75 and the A300, which are probably going to release relatively, somewhat "shortly" (and by that I mean maybe around the end of the year, or early next year).

Spending €80 for a plane and stop flying it after not even a year doesn't sound great value for money.

I'm mostly just interested in a bit of the systems, the history of the aircraft and recreating some cool flights, but if I could have a DC-10 or L-1011 instead I'd much rather take any of these 2 in a heartbeat

I think as soon as that freeware DC-10 is out I'm never touching the MD-11 again, unless it's a lot more fun that I can imagine

[shadow burrow]

Fair enough

L-1011 is still something I really want to see done properly in either XP or MSFS

The MW example doesn’t really cut it for me anymore 😭😭😭

[untold finch]

They're not real refunds, they're offering store credit. ED keeps the money and shafts Razbam further, works well for them.

No chance am I getting a refund, the Strike Eagle is the best thing that's happened to DCS imo. I'll just keep my game at the last supported version for it.

[trim harbor]

havent gotten anything back yet sadly

[trim harbor]

i tend to agree but i myself bought the SE and actually never really used it - i'm probably gonna invest into the chinook myself (as much as thats fueling the fire )

[rustic charm]

Sheremetyevo - Tivat flight

[reef isle]

JFK-DTW-JFK with Bizex

[rare radish]

:)

they introduced quite alot of new features, again

spirit mention aswell lmao

but yeah, so much good stuff

https://youtu.be/rvzlC4iCtns

[tired pond]

The a330 tablet looks like it's done by ini

[rare radish]

i believe this is fully aerosofts

not sure

[tired pond]

The tablet looks pretty much exactly like the ini one so hmm

[hollow oracle]

BELGUGA TIME LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO

[rare radish]

i honestly cant wait

looks like you can walk on foot too

[rustic cedar]

damn, it do be looking good

[trim harbor]

why do we have 2 of every plane in msfs bruh

[rare radish]

seems like they want to use their animals more

[hollow oracle]

The bush trip stuff is really the dumbest feature that I doubt anyone actually does

If I try to fly and look out the window at the same time I end up crashing almost instantly

[tired pond]

Tbh head tracking or vr makes doing that better

[rare radish]

this will be good (custom ones please)

sinking ships is also really interesting

[hollow oracle]

For me, its the perspective change, I can’t tell where I am by looking out of the corner of my eye

I just hope this new version is a “DTG update”, same graphical engine but just more content, I can’t afford a new MSFS version and a new PC at the same time 😭

[rustic charm]

Tbh it looks kinda nice, but it seems more or less "career" and mission-oriented, not something I'm specifically interested in. But really, what will determine whether I move onto it quickly or not is if devs move quickly (obviously I wouldn't wanna stay in the game which gets no new stuff developed) in the very end

[rare radish]

from what i heard the game is optimised more

and takes up less storage space

[tired pond]

Hopefully we'll get more meat on the bone at fs expo

[rustic charm]

That'd be wonderful ngl

[hollow oracle]

I think theyre just going to show off the same trailer tbh

[rustic charm]

Optimisation is always welcome (unless of course it means less realism, but I hope not?)

[hollow oracle]

Also, why tf did they not show this off at summer games fest????

[rare radish]

summer games fest is rubbish

xbox showcase has more hype

[hollow oracle]

It could be not rubbish if we got the MSFS 2024 reveal trailer live tbh

[rare radish]

also its microsoft sooo

microsoft and xbox showcase makes sense

[full plank]

personally not interested in all the career gimmicks, looks cool though ngl

[rustic charm]

Same, all the career stuff isn't exactly what I'm looking for, but I don't mind it. Plus, can do for an occasional difference in gameplay

[full plank]

the remote cargo stuff looked fucking gang though

definitely something i'd wanna try out, but otherwise just keeping to the usual airliner business

I do appreciate msfs 2020 stuff working out the box with 24, should be interesting

[hollow oracle]

I rarely fly it, but I like the stuff they’re introducing in 24

[eager moon]

I'll likely be staying on FS20 for a while to come

I expect a lot of teething issues on 24

[hollow oracle]

I’m definitely gonna get it on release (if I can afford it), but definitely with the idea of slowly moving over to it

[reef isle]

I actually think out of all the missions and stuff it's the only fun thing to do

it forces you to do a bit of dead reckoning navigation, which is fun

I'd still prefer doing a flight myself with a plane I want somewhere i want, and without hand holding, but it's the least worse kind of scripted missions IMO

[hollow oracle]

completely screwed the takeoff because i overreacted on the rudder

[hollow oracle]

the inibuilds a320 makes an extremely weird noise on takeoff that i thought was me tailstriking, but it wasnt

its like a grinding noise too, i think it might be the wind entering the front gear compartment and making that noise, but it really doesnt work

thats not the runway, son

nice, goarounds are also broken, the goaround page does not arm in TOGA but it does put you onto your goaround path

direct to waypoints do not work

this plane is fucked

its now just doing whatever it wants

fuck me, now its trying to get to 250kts on the glideslope because theres no decel point

all because it didnt program to the correct ILS and i didnt check it like i should have

that was my worst flight yet

nice, and my OBS was freaking out even though my game was running at a smooth 40FPS

so enjoy horrible footage because im tired of figuring this fucking shit out

im so fucking angry right now, fuck inibuilds

you can hear (because you cant see at 5FPS even though my game was running at 40) the moment i took over because i freaked out that the glideslope was too shallow

it was a good touchdown, 170FPM, but offcenter and wonky because of basically nothing

i dont have anything to say, im just fucking angry at everything, this stupid fucking flight killed all of my confidence again

and i STILL cant figure out why OBS doesnt want to record anything at 30FPS

[reef isle]

so this is a thing that usually works for me, but might not work for everyone, when stuff like this happens I usually just decrease the automation a notch and go back to basics.

So, this is what I would have done, go around, flaps and gear retraction, selected speed around 200/250kts

Heading 180 (assuming your screenshot is north up) to set myself up for a downwind, then reduce to 180 or 160kt to turn final at about 10 nm from the airport. Altitude around 2000/3000 AGL should be fine, although not familiar with the airport.

Then if you have the ILS ready on the FMC I'd either give myself a DCT to a point on the ILS procedure, or I would have just given me a heading to set up a decent loc intercept, then execute a normal approach.

I actually think the only big "mistake" was the high speed/energy state, apart from that you just had a buggy aircraft, I think sometimes it's useful to just go back to basics, and just do a simple traffic patter, just like you would do if you were doing base training

[hollow oracle]

i believe i did everything correct as far as the goaround went, its just the plane decided to take the stupidest path i have ever seen an aircraft take

[reef isle]

yeah that's what I got as well, this shit happens, it's still a default aicraft after all

but that should't kill all your confidence

[hollow oracle]

its mostly the horrible landing

it was a headwind coming in, i dont know why i got blown around like it was a hurricane

touchdown was fine

[reef isle]

I see, then I don't really know, it's hard to tell from the video, guessing the spoilers is just a replay bug, the approach seemed fairly stable, maybe it was bad windshear, nothing you could have done other than going around again in that case

[hollow oracle]

the ini a320 has a ton of issues with the replay, i dont know why

its atleast funny if you go to replay the landing after youve parked at the gate, youll have a floating GPU and no flaps

[reef isle]

yeah... usual MSFS replay things

although I've heard that Skydolly is really good if you're into this sorts of stuff

[hollow oracle]

i had issues with it connecting i believe

flightreplay is what ive been using, which i think is the built-in MSFS one?

[reef isle]

Errrr... Not sure? I haven't used the replay feature in a LONG time

[untold finch]

i doubt aerosoft are going to drop their one now lol

aerosoft are done

[untold finch]

skill issue 😉

i wonder if visible passengers means that GSX is dead

if they've added other features from it as well

[trim harbor]

If that would happen

That would be crazy

[untold finch]

imo

they're a dead dev

[trim harbor]

Rip twotter

Rip crj

[untold finch]

CRJ, while it works okay for the most part, is just stagnant

[trim harbor]

Im actually saddened about the crj

No good regional jet for msfs thus far

[untold finch]

it should not take 2 years to get one updat eout

[trim harbor]

Indeed

[untold finch]

I want a good ERJ-145

[trim harbor]

I just want CRJ, ERJ14X and 17x

And a220 - but i dont think i'll see that in my life anymore

[mild zenith]

GSX is more than that

[untold finch]

Literally next line, friend 😉

[mild zenith]

Sorry friend

[untold finch]

I'd have to hope that Asobo have added more than just the animated pax anyway

if they've fixed pushback, that'd be neat

[mild zenith]

I wonder if we can leave the aircraft 🤔

[rustic charm]

Well, true if you mean modern. But overall we have BAe 146 and Fokker F28, both are awesome and both are regional

I guess soon we'll have a more or less modern one too with F70/F100

[ocean trellis]

Omg brrrrb spotted

more military content

[dusky leaf]

I see ther is not a single mention of flight model 🤔

[shadow burrow]

U literally asked I can't understand you

[shadow burrow]

MD-11 is essentially a 777F alternative. They can fly for a long way.

TFDi said that they are not making a 717

No one flies the A300B4 anymore there's just one airline with an A300B2

It's your choice whether you buy the MD-11 or not. It's only $80 anyway

[trim harbor]

doesnt matter if noone flies it anymore does it lol\

i like the dc6 and noone flies it

[shadow burrow]

Are you okay?

[shadow burrow]

That's only the CE which is a tester model. It's not the finished product

[shadow burrow]

• E175?
• E170?
• E190?
• E190P2F?
• E195?
• BAE-146?
• BAE AVRO RJ?
• FOKKER 100/70?

[rustic charm]

You forgot the F28

[trim harbor]

the e1XX are unfinished as hell

[shadow burrow]

F28 is good too I don't fly it tho

[trim harbor]

im sorry

[rustic charm]

RJ and F100/F70 aren't released yet

[trim harbor]

they're not good

[rustic charm]

But Es are all not that great

[trim harbor]

i hate the idea of releasing planes which lack the bare minimum

[shadow burrow]

It's an early access but you can always go and help if you want it

[trim harbor]

but that's what flight simming has come to

same cash grab as triple A games

[shadow burrow]

Shouldn't be too long now

[shadow burrow]

Try run a business with low funds id like to see how you'd turn out

[shadow burrow]

GO AND HELP THEM THEN

They literally hiring rn

[trim harbor]

FSS is backed by aerosoft

JF has multiple subs - i don't think they're low on money

lol

low funds

PMDG is a million dollar company

they literally own a private jet

tfdi cashed out greatly on the CE

[shadow burrow]

Not with funds. They just get publicity and development help but it's slow because Aerosoft itself is a mess rn

[trim harbor]

because aerosoft sucks

shitty managment

[shadow burrow]

There's not exactly many F100s and RJs around anymore

[shadow burrow]

Yeah but Robert

[trim harbor]

what does that have to do with funds

both things

[shadow burrow]

But only 1000 sales?

[shadow burrow]

I never mentioned PMDG?

[trim harbor]

lemme see how much i paid for the CE

and multiply that by 1000

then add the monthly services tfdi offers like smartcars and website plus domain hosting

then previous sales from p3d

now the preorders for the md11

you'll come to a sum

[shadow burrow]

You have to pay people's salaries?

[trim harbor]

i'm trying to make a point, they're not low on money lol

most flight sim developers arent

[shadow burrow]

Why are you so negative?

[trim harbor]

theres nothing to be positive about on how flight sims are , the community became a hell of it's own

the developers release half assed products and leave them like that

it's a whole scummy business

albeit not official - neither confirmed - ed is the prime example for scummy, though i don't wanna say too much because we don't know yet

[shadow burrow]

You're not helping...

[rustic charm]

It's kinda weird how there's defence for released products that are... well not great, yet one hell lot of criticism because fan blades on a WIP product are not 3D yet

[shadow burrow]

Some things are in development tho

[trim harbor]

aerosoft crj is in 'development'

im waiting for them to drop the 'mega' patch that we've been waiting for

msfs brought alot of positives in, just as much negatives

[shadow burrow]

People were mad at that because that was supposed to be the finished product. If it were known to have changed then people wouldn't be so mad. Plus if you actually look at PMDG forums and see how hateful the developers can be you'd understand

[trim harbor]

captainsim was a great company for fs2004 and fsx lol

[rustic charm]

And in MSFS, not so much

[trim harbor]

money is one hell of a drug

u know this doesnt apply to msfs only either

xplane is the same fiasco

[shadow burrow]

It's not. It was a low fidelity finished product but they are working on getting it "up to standards"

[trim harbor]

i'd understand if i was paying 20-30% less for a unfinished product, but asking $80-90 for something that doesnt have the basics is a tragedy

[shadow burrow]

Yes but you can't point a finger at everyone because that's literally not true.

[shadow burrow]

Because you pay the money for a finished product early before it's finished 💀 it's a privilege to have that as an option

[rustic charm]

Not really, you pay that for an unfinished product and a promise to finish it, not a finished product

[trim harbor]

how is it a privilege

[shadow burrow]

TFDi have finished tho they just have to do bug fixing... 😂

[shadow burrow]

Because you should be glad you have that option in the first place. If you don't like it don't get it. Get it when it's finished or pre order for a reduced price

[rustic charm]

I'm not talking about TFDi right now

I'm talking generally

[trim harbor]

they arent btw

[rustic charm]

Any early access is not you paying for a finished product. It's you paying for an unfinished product and a promise to finish it

[trim harbor]

they're still adding stuff

it's not done

[shadow burrow]

What products in question are unfinished other than the FSS and the TFDi?

[shadow burrow]

They are in a part of the DE crew? And it's an amazing aircraft to fly it's changed so much just this year. It's only got bugs now. All features are complete

[trim harbor]

it's not done lol

[shadow burrow]

You paying helps fund that timeline. I have a great idea for you

DONT PAY IF YOUR GONNA COMPLAIN

[trim harbor]

i see the changelongs myself

[shadow burrow]

Adding the completed features? Do you know how planes are developed by any chance?

[trim harbor]

that's still adding it though, no?

[rustic charm]

Do you see me complaining though? You're trying so hard to prove to me that TFDi is doing good even though I fully agree... I was just correcting what you said, early access is not a finished product

[shadow burrow]

You don't develop it all in one go. It's split up into hundreds of different pieces. As these are finished they get added bit by bit and tested for bugs. Nothing new is being made it's only being altered to work its best. If you can't understand that I have no hope for you

[trim harbor]

they're still adding it, no?

was it in the plane before, no

therefore they're adding it

it doesn't matter if it's done or not

it's not in, it's not added

[shadow burrow]

If they take it out then that's most likely because it was causing more problems and it needs fine tuning. But all the data is there and all they have to do is tweak it to work with other things and then test it for hours and hours until it actually has no issues. It's not a simple step but it's the last step before release

[shadow burrow]

Your GPU or CPU is literally dying

[hollow oracle]

No, it’s the encoder that’s overloaded, I don’t know what settings to use yet

[eager moon]

For recording use your GPU encoder, high profile, 35kbit should be fine for 1080p. I use 60kbit for 1440p/60 and haven't noticed any quality issues

@hollow oracle

Though OBS kinda ass as a recording software IME. I use Action! But it's a paid software

[shadow burrow]

I usually rock 1080p, 70,000 bit rate. And MP4 or MOV video type

Usually recording will take off a few frames in games

[hollow oracle]

70,000 bitrate
Uh-huh, sure

[fluid gull]

Finnair <3

[mild zenith]

Can you guys please tell me what joystick or yoke you use

[reef isle]

I used the T16000 until very recently, I now have a Virpil WRB-D base and grip, still using the TWCS throttle

[hollow oracle]

I use the thrustmaster airbus pack, because I fly only airbus

If I have to fly a Boeing I’ll use an Xbox controller

[untold finch]

Virpil CM3 base, 20cm extension, TM Warthog grip.

[trim harbor]

winwing f18 stick plus orion 2 base with f15EX

[rustic charm]

I use keyboard

Cause I only fly 1 plane pretty much and that’s the 737

And I’m not yet paying £430 for a yoke and a quadrant

[hollow oracle]

How tf do you fly with keyboard

You really need at least a controller

[rustic charm]

Plus Thrustmaster’s Boeing quadrant is kind ehh from the looks anyway. Much less full than the Airbus one. Cause it seems like on the Boeing one you can’t even have flaps and speed brake at the same time, gotta choose one

[rustic charm]

With default controls

I got used to it

At first my flight was kinda janky yeah

Now it’s all fine and smooth…

…on the 737

Well the 146 and the F28 are kinda not awful

The rest, nah

[shadow burrow]

I have a Virpil setup that cost me around £1500

[shadow burrow]

£60 for a controller and its a game changer

[rustic charm]

I don’t wanna buy a controller cause I won’t use it anywhere else

Plus, keyboard is enough for me for now

And I’ll get a proper flight setup at some point anyway

[shadow burrow]

Fair does

[echo gorge]

got an X55, don't recommend

[mild zenith]

Thank you all appreciate it

[mild zenith]

That's crazy 😵

[reef isle]

our formation leader used to have an X56, I don't think I've ever heard him say one good thing about it

[echo gorge]

mine actually lasted a surprisingly long time, but it's finally dying

that said it's really a pretty mediocre stick, I really like the throttle and its buttons though

[rustic cedar]

i got an x56

i think it's my fourth now? had to keep taking back to the shop after things kept going wrong

but for the price you can't really get that many buttons or functionality like

not without going expensive, which when you don't play much at all is the better option imo

just be prepared to exchange it until you get one that actually works

[rustic cedar]

mmm yess

formation flying

[shadow burrow]

I just re installed msfs now I have to install 250GB of world updates 🥲

[trim harbor]

@reef isle @untold finch any tips for F4 dogfighting and/or radar?

or is the radar just absolute ass

[reef isle]

I haven't had much experience with it yet, the radar is ass, it has very little look down/shoot down capabilities, and you can't expect to pick things up at range. Water helps in reducing ground clutter and is going to make it easier.

Use the Jester Toggle Action thingy to have Jester do what you need

[untold finch]

I haven't really flown it much, it hasn't grabbed me. That said, be below the target if possible, and for BFM, keep your speed round 500.

It's a rate fighter more than anything else.

[trim harbor]

i cannot dogfight with it, dont even get me started on 'bvr'

everything outturns it lol

frustrating to say the least

[untold finch]

If you're fighting the MiG-21 AI you'll have a rough time

The AI one has a super UFO flight model

[trim harbor]

i flew everything ai - nothing works lol

mig21 was horrible

[untold finch]

MiG-19 is a bit fairer

-23 is relatively easy pickings

[trim harbor]

the problem is they usually pick one up on the radar before u can even see them

so i usually defend before i even get a sparrow off

[reef isle]

I had some limited success with BFM, although it took some fiddling

The key is to be fast and stay fast, this is your only chance, because you can't really turn

Make heavy use of the vertical

I think if you want a fair fight the Mirage F1 is a good start, it's in one of the default missions

Not sure about an exact speed, but IIRC best turn rate was about 0.6 mach (maybe 0.8? I'll have to double check I don't remember), and you don't really want to get any slower than 300

[trim harbor]

i did try to fight a F1, it outturned me and then missiled me

probably on my end

ill make sure to use vertical more

[hollow oracle]

i cant remember how to start up the 787 completely because its been like 2 months since i last flew it

im mostly having issues with ground services and loading, i just need to refresh my memory on the checklists

im not sure if theres a display on the aircraft itself that i can use for the ground services and loading like most aircraft, im in the horizon sim version

[hollow oracle]

federal express

this is the first night flight ive done in ages, and the first 737 one in a while too

[agile oak]

The 737 is a death trap

[rustic charm]

Lovely 737

[shadow burrow]

its ezy

mordern airliners are very simple

[shadow burrow]

737 MAX*

[dusky leaf]

No I didnt put it down too hard and break the skids 😆

[dusky leaf]

Flying under the wires just for fun

[rustic charm]

Raise slightly by accident and a whole town loses power, noice

[hollow oracle]

it really is, especially if you know the 737, i just did things out of order and messed up the whole plane

[hollow oracle]

and the 787, thats what killed the first whistleblower

[reef isle]

Bringing the Herschel's Space Telescope mirror to Turku airport, it's then going to go to Opteon for polishing 🙂

[trim harbor]

the good livery too

[hollow oracle]

horrible take, walk the plank

treasonous message

[reef isle]

I think the writing is a bit goofy but the rest if nice 😄

https://www.aeroflap.com.br/packages/uploads/2022/07/A300_600beluga3.jpg

I think this is better

[trim harbor]

[shadow burrow]

Don't Diss Airbus Special Font 😭

[shadow burrow]

Ah yes skylink. When airbus was going to make a fleet of these STs and transports oversized cargo around the world. Rip

[hollow oracle]

i am on a personal hate campaign against easyjet now

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8MtRNRMdQe/?igsh=MWhweHRtajhzamQ1Zw==

hardlifehardlifehardlife

new version of tears out now on all streaming platforms, spot the difference 👀

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easylife gets sued out of existance by easyjet just because their name has "easy" in it, they rebrand to hardlife and release a song, and then easyjet sues them AGAIN to remove the CEOs name in a song

[trim harbor]

preordered the chinook - hope it's good

[shadow burrow]

Anyone else getting low FPS after SU15?

[eager moon]

Quite a few people yeah

Like every other update claiming to help performance

[untold finch]

i went the opposite way lol

Going full on into Falcon BMS

and MSFS when I feel like flying something more laid back

[shadow burrow]

I was getting average 40fps every airport on high end now I'm getting 20 and below. Even worse on the iniA320

[eager moon]

Yeesh

Have you cleared your DX shader cache, deleted rolling cache, and all the normal jazz? @shadow burrow

Restarted PC, etc. Etc

[shadow burrow]

I don't have rolling cache, never had to clear whatever a DX folder is etc

[eager moon]

Enable rolling cache and then disable it

Are you on AMD or NVIDIA?

[trim harbor]

i could never get adjusted to bms

idk

it felt weird to me

[eager moon]

The community is fucking ass

"I don't learn this way, I need the information presented differently"

"Yes you do you just don't know how" 💀

"The manuals are all you need they're so good"

Reads a paragraph of text in PDF
Look back at BMS
Already forgotten 90% of the text

This is why the interactive tutorials in DCS are so good, I go through them once and I have taken in 90% of the information

Meanwhile I sat for about 4 hours going back and forth between the manual and BMS and never even got the damn engine started

Considered trailing the DCS one to go through the tutorials but I know it's not 1:1 with BMS so I don't know how useful that would be

[hollow oracle]

ive had this exact thing said to me when learning the A320

[eager moon]

Yeah excuse me but I think I have in my nearly 3 decades alive figured out how I do and don't process information

[trim harbor]

bms is missing chucks guides

that helped me w a few modules

nowadays i just either trial and error or watch yt

[eager moon]

Chucks guides are great as references but I can't learn to use an aircraft through them either. Not effectively

YouTube videos aren't awful but I asked which they recommend and they just said "just search for them" so I started with one on the latest major version, asked a question and they told me "well obviously don't use that one "

[trim harbor]

yea ngl not even i can tell u which ones r good or not

[eager moon]

When I finally got them to send me one, it was an older one, surprise, I followed every step exactly and the plane didn't start. And the answer was "well you have to do it the slightly different way since it's been updated"

And when I ask what the differences are the answer was "check the manual"

[trim harbor]

i kind of departed from fixed wing and mostly fly rotary now

i use casmo alot

great dude

[eager moon]

I am not much for ground attack. I like air to air combat

[trim harbor]

fixed wing just felt

not too easy

but too simple ig

in the end it's no different from flying an a320 if u get what i mean

[eager moon]

Id love to really give BMS a try but

[trim harbor]

i gave up on the keybinds lmao

[eager moon]

At this point I think I'd need someone to just walk me through it in real time not try to follow a video

Binds were easy, easier than DCS by a long shot IMO

Only took me a few minutes to get my entire HOTAS bound up

[trim harbor]

bruh i couldnt even find the keybinds list lmao

bms and dcs are just very different and i personally struggled with it

i used to mainly fly the f16 in dcs

but it felt like learning an entire new plane in bms

[eager moon]

You gotta use the new launcher thing and it's just a menu in the launcher

It works almost exactly like DCS's but has all the quality of life stuff that DCS is missing

[trim harbor]

i only came for dyanmic campaign lmao

[eager moon]

Such as double clicking any box and pressing a button on any joystick, you donr have to scroll and click on the specific device you want to bind

And if you start BMS with one of your sticks unbound, it doesn't remove the binding for every other device

[shadow burrow]

Nvidia

I got an RTX 4070Ti and I'm getting 20fps in the new update

[rustic charm]

Delta everywhere

[rustic charm]

777 release date was revealed

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/300728-16jun24-pmdg-777-300er-has-a-release-date-on-the-calendar

[shadow burrow]

📰 | PMDG 777-300ER Releasing June 25

https://fselite.net/content/pmdg-777-300er-releasing-june-25/

sweet cant wait to spend $800

[lethal jasper]

Nothing 2 paychecks won't cover 🫴 💰

[shadow burrow]

Those engines look like ass

Give me a 747 😔

[lethal jasper]

I'll give you a CS/FSX360 777

[shadow burrow]

🤢🤮

[lethal jasper]

Atleast PMDG will have VNAV xD

[shadow burrow]

At least they delayed it so it can now fly RNAV 😂

[lethal jasper]

TRUE 😂

[shadow burrow]

Good lord they hate their community 😭

I wonder if we will get an update on their 737 MAX, 744, 748, and Secret project (787) at FSEXPO

[lethal jasper]

Probably waiting for MSFS24 first

[shadow burrow]

Well 737 MAX is already in development lol

[lethal jasper]

Gib plz

xD

[echo gorge]

I'm no fan of PMDG, but I don't really see what looks wrong with them

[shadow burrow]

I got banned from forums for not signing my name 💀

[echo gorge]

Yeah their forums suck, but I don't see what that's got to do with the engines?

[shadow burrow]

Oh they are terrible lol

2D engines on 2024 os crazy

[echo gorge]

Can you stop pinging me?

As long as the animation is decent I don't really see much of an issue

Like yeah it's an outdated way of doing things but they don't look that bad imo

[shadow burrow]

I don't get why ppl get mad at this just change notifications 😭 fine

[shadow burrow]

You don't but others do. It's just typical PMDG low effort

Especially for somethings that supposed to last 10 years +

[echo gorge]

It's almost like I'm a moderator on a 10,000 member server and would rather not get ping notifications every time someone in a discussion responds to me

[echo gorge]

I mean once again fair, but still I would say calling them ass seems a but harsh

[agile oak]

death trap

[trim harbor]

classic

[trim harbor]

flew f4 more over the past few days, i unfortunately have to say, for myself atleast, its a wasted purchase, the BFM capibilites of it are very low and cannot really be utilized against many servers, A2G works but is very finnicky, cant orbit or anything

it's super indepth but meh , i prefer to fly the f14

[neat stirrup]

Bermuda things

[reef isle]

Do you like Enigma?

[trim harbor]

tried it on engima

horrible to fly

theres dedicated squadrons that try to hunt u down in the f1 and mig21 💀

[reef isle]

I've been flying the F86 and the 339A on Enigma a lot recently, and it's been greatly amused how many times I got ignored

but I've seen a lot of F4s doing quite well

I think every time I was there bluefor won, there were so many F4s, there was a big numeric disadvantage for the red

[shadow burrow]

We need an A310 update so bad 😞

[wide zenith]

real, although I dont really think highly of ini aircraft. it got me from a to b but thats about it

I hope their 330 and 350 will be better than their other stuff

[shadow burrow]

Have you tried their A306?

[shadow burrow]

A330 will be like the A320N but the A350 will be very good

[wide zenith]

Yeah I don't mind the a300 as such, still a bit wobbly at times but aight overall

[wide zenith]

will be interesting to see if the aerosoft or ini a330 will be better lol

but yeah a350 pls be good

[shadow burrow]

I've never had an issue with it. I love it so much

[shadow burrow]

Oh inibuilds will set a high margin. Aerosoft might have to abandon their A330 or severely delay it

Aerosoft is stuck in a knot rn because they can't cancel it now that they've taken taxpayers money

[eager moon]

Ini a310 flew like a fighter jet the two times I flew it on msfs

Their models in xplane were far more believable

[wide zenith]

theres also freeware alternatives for their ongoing projects, aviotek eddf and a330 ini which i think will put a hole in their sales

that aviotek eddf is really good too, for free

[trim harbor]

the xp fm is better

[eager moon]

Yes that's what I just said

[shadow burrow]

Yeah you did something wrong then

[shadow burrow]

Probably because it was their own plane in Xplane

[shadow burrow]

Pretty much but they can't stop now

[shadow burrow]

XP FM isn't exactly realistic either tho. I hope MS24 has an improvement

[trim harbor]

theres none that is what the real one is like

it's the closest one though

[shadow burrow]

P3D wasn't bad hence why they use it in actual simulators

[eager moon]

Nah, plenty of ToT in X-Plane. The MSFS one is just poorly done. That's all.

[shadow burrow]

Probably because the MSFS is asobo contract

[eager moon]

P3D doesn't Even have a real flight model. Save for the handful of planes that use an external one

[shadow burrow]

Xplanes flight model is arguably no better than msfs

[eager moon]

Good fucking god I regret resetting my phone's keyboard

At least the a300 in xplane actually flies believably for a large airliner

I can take off with a load in msfs and do barrel rolls at 2000ft all day without losing altitude or control

[shadow burrow]

It's a medium sized airliner tho?
The flight model in msfs for the iniA300 has been done quite accurately. They even have a functioning CG integration that drastically changes the physics which they didn't have in xp

[shadow burrow]

Yeah that's some massive exaggeration 😭

[eager moon]

I have a video of it somewhere

It's the reason I never fly the 310 in msfs despite it being free

[shadow burrow]

Just fly it normally and you'll be fine 😭

[eager moon]

Sure, but the flight model is still grossly incorrect for flying it normally

It makes a huge difference in hand flying departures and approaches

[fervent crater]

youdontkmowme was muted. | continued to troll and argue after being told to stop

[trim harbor]

bruh what did i miss lol

[echo gorge]

me getting tired of flogger's yapping, then them talking back asker being asked to stop

https://www.justflight.com/articles/black-square-starship-msfs-news-from-the-developer-june-2024

[untold finch]

That looks wild

I've been enjoying BMS
Even missions where nothing really happens end up feeling more immersive than DCS
Love the way ATC works, and the game does a great job setting up a feasible, busy battlespace

[reef isle]

A friend of mine has a very good YouTube channel where he does mentour pilot-y style videos about aircraft accidents in Italian and he uses MSFS to recreate crashed, and he told me that the ink A310 behaved very closely to what was recorded in the FDR every time he used it.

I also used to think it was rubbish, but maybe it's not that bad, I've flown it recently and it's definitely better than how it was months ago (which is the last time I flew it)

(sorry for the ping, I forgot)

Although as usual it being correct =/= feels good, or realistic

[eager moon]

maybe they've improved it since the last time I tried it, but it was awful before and I promise no A310 could do what you could before.

[reef isle]

As of now it's been a few months since I've flown it, I'll try and fly it one of these days, I'm currently trying to "force" myself to fly some of the planes I haven't touched in ages anyway

[dusky leaf]

https://blog.torquesim.com/2024/06/13/cj525-begin-testing/

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIGw5Nd-aTk

[dusky leaf]

Finally got round to buying this

[trim harbor]

well worth it

pristine flying conditions

[echo gorge]

how are you liking it

[dusky leaf]

She flies just lovely

[trim harbor]

i just dislike that it's slow

usually 95-98 kts

[dusky leaf]

It is slow but not a lot they could do about it

Love the loading screen art

Very SAS, but apparently thats how they are

[untold finch]

Campaign is getting very busy. Got a Sidewinder kill and two HARMs on target tonight!

[trim harbor]

making me really wanna try bms again

[untold finch]

We have Sniper pods, Graphite bombs, JASSMs, SDBs, Harpoons... so much more weapon variety 😄

plus Block 40 WAR HUD

even has working TFR and Navflir

[trim harbor]

i might give it a shot again if i dont give up half way again

[wide zenith]

https://contrail.shop/pages/compare/flightbeam-vs-bmw-am-sim-ksfo-san-francisco-airport-msfs

contrail went there

only downside(?) to FB is there is no interior modelling of the main terminal building, but other than that seems FB is overall way better

[reef isle]

http://churchella.com.ru:88/

does this webisite work for anyone? It's the Tu-134 webiste

[echo gorge]

savage

[untold finch]

BMW/AMSim one is perfectly acceptable, but I'm glad I held off and waited for the Flightbeam one

Flightbeam are seriously S tier

[shadow burrow]

Does it come with a GSX profile?

[shadow burrow]

Flightbeam is better than the BMW one. They've been developing it for over a year and to crazy detail. The BMW one is great but the Flightbeam is unreal. Idk what it's like for performance tho probably similar to the Inibuilds KJFK

https://fselite.net/content/watch-the-pmdg-777-300er-trailer/

[echo gorge]

I'm not really playing MSFS much right now, but flightbeam's prior airports have had far better performance for me than inibuilds

obviously msfs is different on every pc but in general flightbeam airports have great performance for their size

[shadow burrow]

Yeah I only compare it to KJFK because you have San Francisco Bay just across the water AND it's quite a large airport. Their airports are quite surreal tho. I hope if anyone they make a DFW or ATL

[untold finch]

No idea, though they usually release one separately

busy airspace over Korea

[shadow burrow]

If it's ever going to be on the ini website then they make one

[untold finch]

Flightbeam is usually only through contrail iirc

ah, yes, it does include a WIP GSX profile

[shadow burrow]

That's good

[dusky leaf]

Sale on at IL2 https://il2sturmovik.com/store/battle-of-normandy/

[shadow burrow]

New Aerosoft A333 Previews

[wide zenith]

https://flightsim-studio.com/727f

[eager moon]

They haven't even finished their ejets...

Still no vnav.

[rustic charm]

A 727 is nice, but aren’t FSS known for being rather mediocre

Also, just the freight 727, no passenger

I guess worth to keep an eye on it, but I doubt I’ll buy it quickly

[wide zenith]

727 is a seperate team/product, but of course still money flowing into that could have been used on the ejets

[wide zenith]

until msfs24 now

[eager moon]

They make good products save the the ejets... Which are good kinda.. But half baked.

Their p2006t and stuff are good.

[rustic charm]

Ah well, I’m wrong then

[tired pond]

Moza have announced their stuff for flight sims

https://fselite.net/content/moza-racing-announces-force-feedback-stick-base-throttle-and-rudder-pedals/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0M3tcblaK4vXA7M-JIiue-2i9AmgKBL9LmfFlhy5C2e7I1ETftjnMieLU_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw

FFB Joystick base which is compatible with other joysticks is mega as I have a warthog

[echo gorge]

Their non ejet stuff is pretty good

[trim harbor]

Lmfao

[reef isle]

Circle to land in Genova 😄

[untold finch]

That's the nuke plant at Pyongsan destroyed

[mild zenith]

Looks like xplane mobile

[tired pond]

https://youtu.be/U5CXMVmZ_Pc?si=wRASIADDZwnTrn5T

[rare radish]

mm yes

and if anyone is not watching FSexpo rn

you are massively missing out

[wide zenith]

sending that into eglc

oops sorry ping

[reef isle]

it's XP11

not sure what the mobile one is based on

[dusky leaf]

8NM would give a kick. I have 4 NM on my wheel and you really feel it after a while

Would imagine that fanless motor getting fairly warm too

How much forces would you feel in a real aircraft? I would imagine a fair bit with mechanical, but nothing but the spring return force with electro or hydraulic

[tired pond]

for fbw the only stuff you'd feel would be when on ground but that's just vibrations coming through the stick

I'd want it for helicopters though

[rare radish]

https://youtu.be/qcl8q3dUWMw

for those who didnt watch fsexpo msfs2024 dev update

fairly decent recap

[dusky leaf]

Helis in msfs 🤢😆

[shadow burrow]

i think 9

might be 10 tho

[reef isle]

Ah, interesting, glad to know what I have is better than a mobile game 😅

[shadow burrow]

looks like its 10

[untold finch]

If any of you get the tail number reference I'll be very pleased.