Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[trim harbor]

https://fselite.net/content/toliss-announces-next-project-as-the-airbus-a330-x/

[shadow burrow]

oh yes

omg

I fucking called it

[untold finch]

https://youtu.be/v5Qzdvk6eJM

[trim harbor]

i think i just creamed my pants

oh my god

[untold finch]

LFPG (horrible taxiway bumps there, hope i don't get sent back) -> EDDF

[untold finch]

I do enjoy a good Southwest livery

[azure dome]

Same here

[dusky leaf]

Miles offcentre, skill issue

[reef isle]

Thank you so much for supporting me in the ini server

[untold finch]

I was thinking when I was putting it down on that pad (shakily) that I'd love to be able to throttle down a bit without sliding forward!

[reef isle]

I've spent like 1h trying to understand why the throttle would move without me doing anything when I moved the nozzles, only like after 1h of back and forth in the MSFS forums I realized it was by design

[reef isle]

Yeah right? And also how can you do a proper hover landing? You always have to come with some forward speed otherwise if you set the nozzles to 90 it will just go up

[untold finch]

I can understand why they've done it this way, honestly. The MSFS control options are miserably generic compared to what we can do in DCS.

[reef isle]

Yeah but at least make it an option rather than just forcing it

[untold finch]

I was heavy enough that I could just about hover at the initial "90 point" of the nozzles, but i also used quite a bit of aft stick

[reef isle]

hide it as best you can, put it in dev mode, I don't care, I just want to be able to properly fly it myself

[reef isle]

Yeah, same, I could just barely hover and it just went forward, but it must have hovered just a few cm off the ground because the brakes didn't work

would be nice to, you know, throttle back in that case without putting the nozzles forward

[untold finch]

Trying to reverse is also a challenge

I don't think it was designed for that 😄

[reef isle]

Yeah

But that's more excusable

[untold finch]

But yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by it.

The cockpit is really nice, if weirdly laid out.

It's actually fun to fly.

Shame it doesn't have visible cargo, or presumably GSX support, because this could be a fun bush plane for NeoFly. 😄

[reef isle]

Yeah it's nice, just a question, how quickly did it take you to understand this copilot assist?

I feel very stupid after this evening, I thought until the end throttle 3 was just a bind to control nozzles 😅

I just couldn't wrap my head around how to control the aircraft when I didn't have throttle control (because the nozzles was messing with the throttle binding)

[untold finch]

Understand it?

I turned it all off 😉

These three?

[reef isle]

Yeah, but you can't control throttle and nozzles indipendenty can you?

[untold finch]

Correct

[reef isle]

Yeah that, it took me a loong time to get my head around that

[untold finch]

I understood it from having watched the launch video yesterday, it explained it in a bit of detail that I happened to catch

[reef isle]

I was like "how could I ever land if I can't throttle back with nozzles 90?"

[reef isle]

I see, I came into it completely blind, expecting it to be a big harrier

[untold finch]

To be fair, I've bound throttle 3 to my TM Warthog Throttle's friction slider control, which gives me very finegrained control over it

[reef isle]

Yeah, I also have it to a proper axis

The same I use for nozzles in the Harrier mind you

[untold finch]

Ah cool

Same here

I found it possible to just slowly reduce that axis until I started descending, then pitched back a bit to control the forward slide

and ground effect doesn't really seem to be a thing for VTOL vehicles in MSFS so you just sink all the way to the ground

[reef isle]

Yeah but eugh

Just let me reduce throttle

[reef isle]

Yeah, but apart from that I was really impressed with it

[untold finch]

Might pick up some more of the local legends at this rate. I have a few of them so far.

The Antonov 225 is the most impressive imo, also an inibuilds product

[reef isle]

Yeah the an225 was surprisingly not terrible

[untold finch]

The detail they put in to the animations and so on is incredible

[reef isle]

Yeah, agreed

Also systems and flight model also feel decent

[trim harbor]

@untold finch do u own the gazelle

[untold finch]

Yep

[trim harbor]

how much would u recommend it

thinking of buying it

or rather wait for kiowa?

[untold finch]

It's night and day different to the original version. The flight model is good now, it's pretty fast, very agile, and the HOT missiles are fun. The FLIR on the Mike variant is great too. It does look a little dated (though it is being overhauled bit by bit) and it does behave weirdly when you try and do loops, but other than that I love it.

I prefer it to the Kiowa mainly because the UK flew them until recently, but the Kiowa will be much more capable, albeit slower

[trim harbor]

might trial it just for the heck of it

[untold finch]

I also think Polychop are a great bunch of guys

[trim harbor]

it's pretty much the only helicopter i dont own

[untold finch]

Yeah def trial it

[trim harbor]

i like the idea of popping up and just slinging missiles away and then going down

hows the hover?

when you're in the cpg seat

[untold finch]

Easy enough that I don't usually have to worry about using the AP hover hold, it feels quite natural

It will struggle to hover when fully loaded on a warm day on Syria though, especially in the mountains

And fully loaded is 4x HOTs

But it is quite frugal on fuel so you can drop that down to ~60% and still fly for a while

[trim harbor]

can it also carry any mg when carrying hots?

[untold finch]

Nope, the HOTs required different cockpit equipment to work

It all changes when you rearm on the Lima. The Mike can only take HOTs

The periscope the Lima uses is fun as well, definitely harder to use than the nice clear TV screen with FLIR, but a nice challenge

The rotor animation will also be replaced at some point, with the new rotor blur tech, when the Kiowa is out the door

[trim harbor]

theres no news to when the kiowa is coming, right?

[untold finch]

Not yet, no, but I have a feeling it will be within the next few months now

[dusky leaf]

Its a fantastic heli, just be aware of the limited weapons range, it struggles against anything that shoots back. Trial it OFC

[dusky leaf]

Anyone heard of this person? touting himself as a dev on the x-plane forum https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/627584385360723999/1230512067459547258/Screenshot_2024-04-18-06-44-38-25_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg?ex=663396aa&is=662121aa&hm=ef60a84b36d1d320bb3de35f6de097d131c84ee186db5f4b3d9f36d51e4b898e&

[untold finch]

Macca707 has been around in DCS for a while yeah

[reef isle]

@untold finch I managed to remove that throttle/nozzle interlink from the Do-31
https://youtu.be/SZFAJ-rSTow

now I would only need a program like Spad.next to do throttle angle from somewhere more convenient than the devmode menu

it's really cool as you have to manage the vertical lift fan thrust and main engine thrust very carefully

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxcUJd80zlk

this a transition to forward flight

you can also rotate the nozzles beyond 90°

imagine not allowing your users to do this stuff because it's "beyond the complexity scope"

[untold finch]

Oh neat!

Seems like a reasonable solution I guess, spad.next seems almost mandatory for MSFS at this point if you want to use any hardware beyond the basics

[reef isle]

If you already have Spad.next the vars you are looking to modify are:

FO_AI set to -1

This will activate all the vertical related things without the "FO" taking control

Then Throttle 3 will control the lift fans, at 0% throttle they'll shut down and the doors will close

To change nozzle angle you need to control:

Vert_ANIM

[dusky leaf]

Checking out the helipads round Vancouver in a Dauphin

[reef isle]

there are other things related to the nozzles that the FO modifies, I haven't seen anything wrong with leaving all of them at zero, but just in case you have any issues they are:

PEG_THROTTLE
PEG_test
PEG_NOZZLE
Nozzle_needle

[shadow burrow]

LON_CTR activities

[untold finch]

Do people actually use the text feature that much?

I'm thinking about using VATSIM again but being a VR user, it puts me off a bit

[trim harbor]

lol yes

i feel like text pilots are pretty common across the board

[shadow burrow]

especially london

[trim harbor]

flying in the uk

💀

https://fselite.net/content/hifi-sim-tech-active-sky-fs-for-msfs-released/

[untold finch]

I'm still waiting to see what the point of this is

Surely it will hit the exact same issues as the REX one did

[trim harbor]

Whats the issue with rex?

[untold finch]

The MSFS weather API is pretty closed down, so all it can do is paint the entire skybox with the same weather

[trim harbor]

Oof thats gay

[untold finch]

tbh i really don't get what's wrong with the standard weather in game

i hear lots of people saying it's bad but i never get why

Active Sky FS comes with a a large set of features. It integrates directly with MSFS using a combination of techniques, although the developer has not elaborated on how they’ve now been able to circumvent the MSFS weather API that was previously a limiting factor.
Maybe this will be better then?

[reef isle]

I'm fairly confident I'll be able to make a community folder drag and drop thing for the Do-31

[untold finch]

For people who own spad.next?

Or as a way to split the binding into throttle 3 axis/throttle 4 axis or something like that?

[trim harbor]

bombeagle

[untold finch]

Just want to have some fun with it before it's gone

(there is of course a chance that it won't become gone but it's not looking positive right now)

[shadow burrow]

been flying the 136 recently

like alot

and still man

really makes me pissed that JF don't want to keep updating it

[reef isle]

Rip M2000

My favourite plane in DCS

[echo gorge]

honestly this whole saga's really sapped my interest in upcoming DCS modules, who knows if something like this can happen again

[untold finch]

Yep. A year ago, I'd have pre-ordered the Chinook immediately after seeing today's trailer. Now... no.

[trim harbor]

Is it acc looking that vad

Bad

[untold finch]

Well, their Flight Model guy, their Radar and Systems guy and their 3D art guy all bailed, leaving quite a few smoking bridges behind them.

They've got community managers and SMEs insinuating that ED are not paying because ED can't pay.

And now the Chinook pre-order has dropped, with tell-tale signs of it being earlier than they'd expected/planned (the list of early access features is coming soon 😂) almost like they need the money...

Meanwhile in MSFS land, the IFE Tornado dropped and I like it a lot.

They actually managed to get a working TFR like the one in the JustFlight Vulcan, but I think this might actually be able to fly the TFR path itself

[trim harbor]

wait i thouht only 1 person dipped?

[trim harbor]

wait

i just SAW THAT

HYPE

it looks so damn pretty omg

[untold finch]

CptSmiley quit on the first day of the big reveal.
Metal2Mesh bailed soon after, his twitter is now gone, etc.
Galinette posted his goodbye either today or yesterday.

[untold finch]

I am so done running on the early access DCS treadmill

They haven't even figured out what features it will have yet

[trim harbor]

aaa im so TEMPTED

[untold finch]

The early access announcement is, in itself, early access 😂

[trim harbor]

christ it looks so sexy though

omg

[untold finch]

I agree, I want it too

[trim harbor]

but i get it

ngl

wait the ch47 will be EA?

[untold finch]

yeah

[trim harbor]

ouch

[untold finch]

They need to release more things to pay for the previous things 😉

[trim harbor]

not wrong

argh

the temptation is real

[untold finch]

If it helps, you'll effectively be paying Razbam for the Strike Eagle by buying it

I will also say though that their June release date is utter bullshit and they know it

[dusky leaf]

Do we get to fly the EA version now or later? also tempted but v wary

[untold finch]

Later, the release date is apparently June this year.

[shadow burrow]

Sunrise over Birmingham

[reef isle]

Xplane 146?

[shadow burrow]

ye

vnav has been broken for 3 years now

[reef isle]

Is this the classic "we don't care about Xplane anymore" thing?

[shadow burrow]

yes

v1.2.3 was the last xp11 update

all that time ago

just flight are awful for it

they get teams like thranda to port there work to xp11 but then stop paying them to keep them updated

so there just isn't a point

tbh Thranda are making a killing of there GA aircraft

literally everyone I know has the BN-2A

its the same thing as well

they just straight up refuse to update to XP12

Thranda have already said they would do the work for free for the community but JF said nah ur ight

they make the money then when thats gone they just leave

same thing will happen with the F70/F100

and again with the avro RJ

and I'll keep buying them

carenado is the same but at least they do it for every sim

I switched to the dark side

[shadow burrow]

fuck sake

just CTD on launch

[mild zenith]

What

[crisp adder]

Is it worth buying?

[untold finch]

If you want a well-made combat aircraft in MSFS, where there isn't a whole lot to do with combat aircraft, then yes, I'd say so.

[reef isle]

I think if the FM was as good as DCS I'd love to fly combat aircraft in MSFS

Recently I almost do everything but shooting stuff in DCS

[trim harbor]

gazelle is not for beginners

that thing jeez

[untold finch]

Yeah it's a nippy little thing, probably the hardest helicopter to get airborne in smoothly imo

my takeoffs in it are always rusty if i've not flown for a little while, the Hind is so much easier

[trim harbor]

it felt like taking off the apache with 16 hellfires

i then got vrs'd into a building

:(

[crisp adder]

Thanks. I suck at air combat and one reason I never got into DCS was that I got tired of learning a plane just to get shot down repeatedly. So in that regard a well-made combat aircraft in MSFS sounds like the right thing. I´ll give it a closer look.

[untold finch]

Yeah, the only combat aircraft in MSFS that really feels "perfect" to fly is the Vulcan imo

[untold finch]

I took it around the Mach Loop yesterday, that was a blast. I think you can probably get quite creative with it honestly!

[crisp adder]

Watched a video on it and it does look indeed like you can get quite a lot out of it. There are also free German airbases on FS.to which would be great. But doesn´t JF also work on a Tornado?

[reef isle]

I heard the FM is awful

[reef isle]

yeah you don't have to fight in DCS

Sometimes I just open DCS and fly around, just like I would in MSFS

[untold finch]

It was up until a year ago. They completely reworked it for free, and now it's really very good. Got a couple of ex-Army Gazelle pilots in my squadron, they speak highly about it.

[reef isle]

Interesting, is there some mod you have to download or something, or did they just improve it?

[untold finch]

They are, and I imagine JustFlight's one will probably be a little more in-depth, but iirc they're only doing the British GR.1 rather than the German IDS/ECR plus GR.1.

[untold finch]

Improved straight in the base game

it was awful before, it flew it had ailerons and elevators

honestly just a massive redemption arc for PolyChop (who are, to be fair, mostly a brand new team by this point)

[dusky leaf]

Free half mil VFR charts for a large part of europe https://secais.dfs.de/pilotservice/briefing/aup/aup_edit.jsp?lang=en

[reef isle]

taking advantage of the CTP-related control

[trim harbor]

O is ctp today

[rustic charm]

Damn someone else flying Aeroflot

Weirdly also Headwing Sukhoi doesn't appear in the game for me even though the installer says everything's fine. And I never bothered to try to reinstall

[hollow oracle]

honestly you arent missing out on much

i kind of wish i did an A320 on this flight instead of the SSJ

[rustic cedar]

fuuuck that thing looks so cool

[rustic charm]

Kind of thought so

I just do pretty much every one of my flights in the 737 since I don't have the Fenix A320

[wide zenith]

Bilbao

[rustic cedar]

easyJem 🟧

[wide zenith]

[hollow oracle]

my unpopular take with the fenix A320 is that im not really a fan

the external software takes up like 40% CPU and an unholy amount of memory, all for the displays, which really doesnt even need to be in an external software in the first place?

[trim harbor]

i agree lol

[hollow oracle]

like, my FPS in the fenix A320 is in the 20s, when compared to the PMDG 737-800 (which id say is comparable in quality), which is like in the 45-50s

[trim harbor]

i hate the fenix for that sole reason

[hollow oracle]

the livery manager is nice too, but the latest fenix update breaks pretty much everything even more than the block 2 update did

i find myself flying the FBW A320 significantly more often, heck even the latinvfr/headwind mod for the A320ceo, just because the realism downgrade really makes the performance upgrade worthwhile

[reef isle]

I don't really notice the Fenix being much worse than other add-ons

To me where I fly and the presence of photogrammetry add a lot more load than the aircraft (I only have default scenery btw, apart from LCY)

[hollow oracle]

I’m serious in my 20FPS to 50FPS comparison, 20FPS is the bottom line for the plane systems to work correctly and I’ll very frequently have fake turbulence from the autopilot losing where it is from FPS drops

[wide zenith]

I get the performance stuff, Fenix + heavy photogrammetry area + a major intl payware airport causes my cpu to pull some stupid high wattage. but thats also an intel moment

[reef isle]

I don't know what to say, I think part of the reason why I don't have problems is that I really care a lot about stability, so I have set things to have enough "overhead" that it never lags or stutters, as I feared that could cause crashes, but even then, I don't really notice anything bad with the Fenix specifically, now that I think about it, the bigges cause of low frames to the point of being noticeable (going below 25/30fps) is it there is lots of traffic (so AI planes) around - I also left all the AI planes alone and I have no model matching pack to reduce the load that it has on my systems. I don't care about seeing good looking planes while taxiing.

It is a tiny little bit heavier than other planes, but although I haven't measured it, I don't think it's more than a 5/10% difference

[wide zenith]

If anything my most perf heavy aircraft is ini’s a300 at times

that thing can struggle a lot sometimes

[rustic charm]

I've just been flying one plane for the past half a year, the PMDG 738, and I'm having fun xD

To be honest I didn't know about such performance issues with the Fenix, although I never actually planned to buy it yet, firstly because it's impossible, secondly just because I actually prefer Boeing

[rustic charm]

Like, I'm having fun with just one plane. And I've flown it literally in 3 liveries too all this time. I did one flight in Aeroflot livery (starting a second one now), a couple flights in American's old livery, and all the rest is just American's Astrojet livery

[rustic charm]

(Waiting for the 777-300ER)

At the cruising altitude, FL390

Started descending

[rustic charm]

The flight is done

Don’t mind the Russian volanta, couldn’t find an option to change the language in the app

Also fun fact, don’t fly to Kazan airport at night unless you have some payware version cause the default has no lights on the runway

[fathom fable]

Some bits of Spain might as well be considered British…

[wide zenith]

These toilets at Glasgow look dodgy, like you'd go down and never see the light of day again

[untold finch]

well it is Glasgow

[dusky leaf]

https://youtu.be/WK7w7yNcWyk

Tomorrow

[untold finch]

Just Flight PA-38 confirmed for Thursday

[rustic charm]

The cab looks comfy

Though the 737 is comfier

[echo gorge]

Maddog update
Description:
FIXED

• fixed issue with turnaround mode not working properly on b183
• fixed issue with holding drawing on ND 'flickering' when holding had no speed constraint or PERF data invalid (VNAV unavailable)
• fixed issue with ovhd right map lt panel disappearing when HFDS selected
• fixed issue with NAV remaining in ARM mode after departing certain SIDs
• fixed issue with fms not considering last climb speed constraint if after TOC
• fixed issue with EGT not cooling during motoring
  OTHER
• improved FPS when terrain mode ON on ND
• added 'Hardware Configuration Tutorial.pdf' and 'List of Commands.pdf' to the documentation folder
• added MobiFlight profiles for Honeycomb Alpha and Bravo and for miniCockpit miniFCU in Redist folder
• added option to arm spoilers moving the assigned axis sligthly AFT. (To disabled it, set ArmSpoilersFromAxis=0 in the maddogx.ini file)

[reef isle]

@untold finch I've bodged togheter a sort of ""fix"" for the Do-31, you can find more details here
https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/local-legend-15-dornier-do-31/638322/105?u=fd1003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El-AGMcgBHs

[untold finch]

APL2 route, EDDF -> LRTR in the ASL 737-800BCF

[untold finch]

And a quick test of the updated SWS PC-12, flying PAJN -> PASI

Love finding the real hangars for these little tiny commuter airlines

[untold finch]

Awesome! I swear the Pegasus nozzles rotate though, but I could be wrong

[reef isle]

They do, but as far as I can see it's just an animation

[untold finch]

ah, cool

[reef isle]

Looking forward to it getting decrypted, so I can have a proper look though, they might have done something more complex

[untold finch]

Do they often get decrypted?

[reef isle]

Well... How do I put it in a rule-friendly way? If they were still encrypted you couldn't install them from ""third party websites"" 😅

So yeah, I need to wait until they publish it on that ""third party"" """store"""

Unfortunately it's the only way, I tried to contact Asobo, they won't give you anything

(even though I bought and, at least supposedly, own the thing)

[untold finch]

Ah yeah

Good old licensed content

[hollow oracle]

speedbird over pittsburgh

this is a lost flight because i have no intention on actually completing the entire 7 hours

[eager moon]

Weak

[abstract mural]

It's there and it's locked because ED isn't ready for criticism
https://forum.dcs.world/topic/347631-dcs-ch-47f-faq/

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV8IA4TJRf8

[untold finch]

A2A Comanche update too

[untold finch]

The spin behaviour is so well done

[untold finch]

A300 seems pretty solid now!

[echo gorge]

Good to hear

[abstract mural]

And it's open again

[rustic charm]

Oh did it get fixed up?

[untold finch]

Seems to have been

[untold finch]

Good news! DCS is now re-selling dumbed down versions of old content. That's surely what everyone asked for?

[abstract mural]

Wdym?

[untold finch]

F-5E/F-86F/MiG-15 are being made into low-fidelty modules for Flaming Cliffs 2024

It won't take away the existing high-fidelity ones, there'll just be two versions of each

[abstract mural]

Yeah just like confirmed a couple years ago

[trim harbor]

MAJOR L

[untold finch]

Ah, but you see - that was for the new product, Modern Air Combat, which is now shelved and all the work is being put into DCS instead 😉

[abstract mural]

Su35,F35,F22 are classified

[mortal furnace]

You call them dumbed down versions but all servers have hot starts 🤣🤣🤣

And actually knowing guys that fly irl just to jump in and fly is better for them

I wont be buying it as i already have them but its no issue its just drama burger

[untold finch]

So is the Su-27, that's the point of FC3 modules really

you can add stuff that you wouldn't be able to do full-fidelity modules of

[untold finch]

I can guarantee that "all servers" don't 😉 plenty of us don't play on public servers

[mortal furnace]

Not all but most

[untold finch]

it's not really drama, it's more "oh dear, it looks like things are getting pretty desperate over at ED HQ if this is what they're having to sell now"

[mortal furnace]

Not really MAC was planned 5 years ago

And was ment to have a fair few modules in there

Only thing stopping a FF SU27 is its radar system

[untold finch]

and that was a mistake back then 😉

they were already struggling to finish what they'd begun

adding another brand new game on top of that is madness

[mortal furnace]

It wouldnt affect guys that have been in dcs for a long time, People complain about FC3 etc, But back then even lock on and flanker 2.0 just like MAC, Lock on and flanker 2.0 has made dcs what it is today

I like using Lwin+Home key and let the A.I do the rest i cba to flick switches 🙂

[untold finch]

No I know, I'm not saying it's going to ruin the game for me

I just think it's a sign that ED are scraping the bottom of the barrel

which is worrying

[mortal furnace]

Its just designed for new people thats all

[untold finch]

tbf the full fidelity MiG-15/F-86/F-5E are so simple that a new person could fly them fine

they've taken three very simple aircraft and dumbed them down even more

[mortal furnace]

Not really i mean explain why there dumbed down?

I dont get that part in what way?

[untold finch]

Flaming Cliffs modules have all their systems abstracted

So it's just "press button to make X happen" rather than "follow the process to make X happen"

but the three aircraft they picked don't really have super complex systems...

[mortal furnace]

So you mean like radar lock press enter?

[untold finch]

yes

as opposed to having to manage the radar in any complex way

[mortal furnace]

Thats wrong heres why all my FF modules are setup in the same way on the keyboard F15E to F16 i use them exactly the same way for FC3 for muscle memory, If you take the F18 take away the clicky switches it just became FC3

[untold finch]

No, it really doesn't

[mortal furnace]

Yarp it does

[untold finch]

I'm going to try and explain this again

[mortal furnace]

I see what your saying

[untold finch]

The difference between an FC3 module and a full fidelity module is not just "clicky switches"
It's to do with the fact that the systems in the FC3 modules are superficial, they're not simulated to any depth, you select weapons by pressing "next weapon" rather than following the actual process you would in the aircraft

The radars are all simplified, the navigation is all simplified, etc

[mortal furnace]

Have you the JF17, Its commands are setup like fc3, press 2 for navigation etc

[untold finch]

Yes, I do have the JF-17, and that's not exactly how it works, let's be honest

The JF-17 has a full HNS simulation, which simulates INS degradation, it allows you to modify your flight plan, enter co-ordinates, etc

FC3 modules, you can just switch between waypoints that are pre-placed in the mission editor

FC3 made sense initially
They had old products from FC2, they only had two modules out for DCS, they needed more stuff to give the game more life
Making more of these modules now doesn't really make the same amount of sense, and the aircraft they're choosing to "simplify" are already super simple

I mean what's next, a FC3 Spitfire? One button to turn it on?

[mortal furnace]

So whats the differs from if i press the F key for flaps in fc3 and F key for flaps with the f18?

[untold finch]

It's not about the control scheme...

[hollow oracle]

DCS seems to be a great sim with a great drama free community

[untold finch]

ask yourself this - would a Chuck's Guide need ~500 pages to discuss how to use an FC3 module? No, because there's basically nothing to learn with them, you need to know about 5 buttons and you can do pretty much everything with it

which is why they get boring so fast

[mortal furnace]

@hollow oracle i avoid that community like the plague

@untold finch go look at the fc3 manual for the f15c in dcs directory how many pages is it? I cant remember but still has a manual

[untold finch]

SU-25, 84 pages, 6 of those are contents and history, another 6 are a list of acronyms, and ends credits
Su-27, 143 pages, just over 25 pages before you even finish the history and design section
MiG-29, 116 pages, again about 16 pages of fluff

[trim harbor]

welcome to flight sims

[untold finch]

A-10A, 104 pages, a third of that is just fluff

Anyway, I don't think I'm getting anywhere with this conversation, have a good evening folks

[mortal furnace]

Have a good one

[trim harbor]

@untold finch

https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/s/gm1HJJyamG

[untold finch]

Yup

I am torn honestly

I want it
But I don't want to buy anything from the ED store until they pay Razbam

So I think imma hold off

[eager moon]

Yeah I'm on hiatus of buying ED content until 2025

Gonna give them the rest of the year to fix things

[reef isle]

I think I'm going to do a similar thing

Although I really want Kola 😦

[eager moon]

Waiting some months will give it time for content to develop

Or the map to flop

Either or

[abstract mural]

So, which sim is this?

[crisp adder]

MSFS 2020

Deutsche Top Gun. 🇩🇪

[shadow burrow]

Marinefliegen my beloved

[trim harbor]

idk if i can hold back with rotary aircraft

dcs is lacking those alot and im happy to take any addition to it

[dusky leaf]

Bear in mind that it's the internet, truth is one of the first casualties

[trim harbor]

@untold finch do u know any good servers for rotary

liberation is ass and has no campaigns for it

i just wanna fly blackhawk

and i dont think ECW has it right

[mortal furnace]

@trim harbor rotaheads server if you just want choppers

[trim harbor]

thank uuuuuuu

[untold finch]

For public servers, I can only recommend my own squadron's one; Helo World by Black Shark Den. Our campaign dev recently just revamped it. I've not flown on any others.

It also supports the UH-60 mod

[trim harbor]

im reading about it now, it has tons of missions

i'll check that out asap , tyvm!!!!!!!

[trim harbor]

They dont hire UH60 EMEA pilots which is unfortunate

[untold finch]

That's just for squadron recruitment rather than the public server

[dusky leaf]

What do people use for DCS fixed wing throttle? I have my honeycomb for civ fixed wing but thats not really suitable for combat aircraft. Used to use saitek x52 years ago, but thats long dead, might buy a new one, but they aint exactly cheap

[reef isle]

TWCS Throttle

[trim harbor]

ye ik i was just looking into it, i never knew there were pure rotary squadrons

[untold finch]

Warthog HOTAS throttle

[untold finch]

Yeah I haven't met any others 😅

[eager moon]

VKB STECS

[trim harbor]

how do ops work with all diferent airframes?

[eager moon]

and VKB GNXT + Evo gimbal for the stick

[untold finch]

Each platoon (helicopter type) will assign a flight lead, each flight lead gets briefed on the overall plan and their parts in it, they then work out how best to execute that

[dusky leaf]

I actually still have one of those consigned to a cupboard somewhere. Never liked it, the ridiculous weight was the main thing. Might get one of the Virpils. Strangely my interest in DCS seems to be rekindled. 🤷‍♂️

[trim harbor]

thats what i personally loved about the warthog, its weight

[untold finch]

I'm using the warthog hotas grip on a virpil stick base and extension, and the warthog throttle with the slew sensor upgrade, plus rudder pedals, button box, mfd frames, etc

[trim harbor]

mans kitted out

[eager moon]

WinWing, VKB, Virpil. You really can't go wrong

All of them will be 10x the hardware TM will ever make

Used a full Virpil pit at a friend's house, I own the winwing rudders, and the VKB STECS and Gladiator NXT as I mentioned. It's all fantastic hardware. Each have their own little pros and cons

[dusky leaf]

You lot probably know this, but. I decided I should update the free DCS blackhawk and there are 3 versions now 🥳 The UH60L, UH60R and an armed version

the L is ace, about to try the R

mh60 it is

[agile oak]

crash it into someone's backyard

[hollow oracle]

a random ass flight from heathrow to amsterdam turned out to be a huge milestone for me

i did my first successful and real go around, because i wasnt established on the glideslope for some reason

and i finally recorded my landing, and it looked really hot from the outside

[agile oak]

good job

[hollow oracle]

when it comes to xplane, is 11 or 12 worth it?

i really kind of want to get the beluga, but thats only in xplane 11

im interested in something that performs better than MSFS too, graphics dont matter but realism does for me

[trim harbor]

i feel like unless youre really doing it for a special reason, no

stay w msfs

[untold finch]

Beluga is coming to MSFS2024 anyway, by Inibuilds again

Quick hop from KPVF -> O08 on my round-the-world-hopefully trip

Another flight where I remember why I love the A2A Comanche
I noticed during my walkaround that i could move the rudder freely by hand
what I did not think of at that point was that that meant the rudder was no longer connected to the pedals

as i found out when trying to add a bit of slip into my approach, and as i stepped on the pedal, nothing happened

[trim harbor]

@untold finch

trying out ur squadrons server rn

its alot of fun

thank you to guitar man

hes a great chap

[untold finch]

oh yeah he's a great dude

[trim harbor]

memphis is cool too

i feel bad that i suck with the blackhawk haha

its such a heavy boy

[untold finch]

I like the UH-60 but I find that the SCAS can go a bit funny sometimes

And the slingloading being broken makes me sad

Incredible for a mod though

[trim harbor]

no proper BLUFOR transport heli tho

but huey

huey seems abit broken tho

its so wiggly

[untold finch]

It is, the engine is massively over-performing right now

The rework broke it a bit

[trim harbor]

like idk if im doing something wrong

but its so goddamn shaky

i feel like im too hard on the collective

[untold finch]

Oh, that means you're either going through translational lift or you're approaching vNE

[trim harbor]

https://medal.tv/games/dcs-world/clips/1NurZgX2GxRusM/d1337i9JgQpG?invite=cr-MSxDMTgsMjY0NTM3NTQs

bad example but

[untold finch]

also, you can fly the Mi-8 as BLUFOR, the Czechs have been doing so for ages now 😉

[trim harbor]

in the beginning

u see the wiggle

[untold finch]

yeah, you're way past the top speed it's meant to go

because the new engine model lets you easily do so

Max speed is 110 knots, anything past that and you're likely to end up in either retreating blade stall (not correctly simulated in the Huey iirc) or just structural failure

previously, before the rework, you'd have to really push to get it past 110kts, and it'd tend to get counteracted by flapback anyway

now it just breezes through it

[trim harbor]

great fun and great folks

[trim harbor]

is there a mod

to maybe limit it

or any trick to NOT go overspeed constantly

[untold finch]

sadly not, you can make a lua change to put it back to the old engine model but:

• it gets wiped every time the game updates
• you can no longer keep up with other hueys

[untold finch]

mainly just keep an eye on your speed really, and try and avoid exceeding 110kts

that said, i guess the Chinook will solve your issue in a month 😉

provided it works properly on release

[trim harbor]

im a transport person

i need chinook

but i dont wanna cope and preorder

i wonder if kiowa gets a preorder?

[untold finch]

nope, no pre-order

from what they've said anyway

[trim harbor]

oh thats weird

[untold finch]

it's just coming out straight into feature-complete state, no early access stuff to worry about

[trim harbor]

wait

it's

fully done?

[untold finch]

yep 😄

it's why i'm considering buying it

[trim harbor]

a dcs module RELEASING fully DONE?

no way

[untold finch]

it does happen from time to time

The MB-339 was released feature-complete a few years ago

struggling to remember what the last one was before that though

[trim harbor]

A10CII

x d

[untold finch]

nooope even that was EA

it didn't have the ARC-210 radio for ages

[trim harbor]

i defo learned that i need more practice in formation flying w rotary

i never did that before lol

[untold finch]

yeah it's good fun 😄

[trim harbor]

and quick landings

i still take AGES

[untold finch]

it definitely takes a fair bit of practise

avoiding VRS and settling with power is something that takes time to figure out

[trim harbor]

vrs

lol

i have the power setting issue

[untold finch]

love formation flight though

[trim harbor]

i found it easier to avoid VRS since learning what it is and how it works

the russian helicopters alos tend to be wayyy better in handling imho

[untold finch]

They're just more stable imo

[trim harbor]

very much

the apache is a disaster to fly

[untold finch]

That's because the Apache's flight model is uh
pretty bad

the SMEs keep telling ED to fix it but they're not fixing the stuff that they're pointing out

[trim harbor]

lmfao

ED is so shit bruh

[untold finch]

They're definitely going through a bit of a rough spot right now

I'm hoping that the recent community pushback gives them a wakeup call

[trim harbor]

lol

i doubtthat

[trim harbor]

@untold finch idk how often u fly on the public server but if u do hmu

ill join up

[hollow oracle]

denver to omaha

they say denver airport is a satanic cabal meeting ground

blucifer does not help those accusations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Mustang

[untold finch]

Regarding the Kola map...

[trim harbor]

dcs taking L after L

jfc wth going on

[untold finch]

never mind they appear to have general confusion

[dusky leaf]

Is the Razbam/ED drama sorted now?

[eager moon]

Steam is an L to start with

Especially for DCS

[untold finch]

No

This thing is awesome

it even has the world's worst bedroom just in front of the pilot/copilot seats

oh wow the navigator's map actually shows you your real position

Had to dial the returb profile for this thing down all the way though, it was throwing me all over the place

[trim harbor]

https://orbxdirect.com/product/orbx-kola-dcs

[untold finch]

Inibuilds KMKE coming out tomorrow for free

Time to plan a route to Milwaukee I guess

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0_xCbEyfUs

[trim harbor]

if only we had this

[untold finch]

i would definitely enjoy a KC-135

[trim harbor]

E3 would also be cool

or a 707 in general tbf

[rustic charm]

707 yes please

Would absolutely love it

[rustic charm]

Also free? That’s hella nice

I guess time to plan a Milwaukee - Boston

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG4JAPqBh4o

This is their last video before EA release

[hollow oracle]

im so excited for this, i cannot fly with a human ATC, and i want training on a decent AI that isnt yelling at me to expedite ascent

[trim harbor]

Wwwww

[trim harbor]

tfw still waiting for my poor poor phantom

[dusky leaf]

No one in here fly IL2 regularly? Not fired it up for a while, feel like I want to get back into it.

[trim harbor]

140gb map

Tf

[untold finch]

and it has exactly the same problem as South Atlantic where the coastlines are just a 4-5 foot high vertical wall
and the same problem as Sinai where the buildings have incredibly noticeable pop-in when you get within 100m

I know Enigma can be divisive but he has some good points and there's some good previews here that aren't carefully curated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqNSiSmOaRo

[trim harbor]

it looks bad

sorry to say

yes i know, unfinished and EA but

mfg wtf is this

atleast TRY to make the undetailed area look nice

[untold finch]

i imagine they will when they detail it but yeah, it's a tad rough

[trim harbor]

at the current time, i don't think i'll buy it

i'd rather buy afghanistan

[untold finch]

at least they added some cool stuff to Murmansk

[trim harbor]

god knows to when kola will be finished, the current play area is abit meh

[echo gorge]

What on earth

[untold finch]

oh it gets better

they've baked the map shadows into the textures

so you get blue grass

and i'm pretty sure that Bodø's runway is painted straighter than this

plus uh

[echo gorge]

Yikes

[untold finch]

Yeah, it's far earlier access than it should have been launched in imo

but ED needs cash so 😏

[echo gorge]

that does feel like the vibe

[echo gorge]

uh... as someone not up on DCS drama, why do people dislike enigma?

[untold finch]

he's had some hot takes over the years that a lot of people haven't agreed with

such as "we should have more low fidelity modules"

and he has previously come off as a bit "i run a massive server in DCS thus my opinion carries more weight"

definitely seems like a chill guy when i've spoken to him though

[dusky leaf]

Wouldnt pay good money for that 💩

[reef isle]

Yeah, I never understood why that was an issue, I think it's fair enough, as long as he states it's still his opinion, also I think a lot of people took things a bit too much at face value instead of actually listening what he had to say.

The low fidelity modules is a good example of that IMO. He didn't say that high fidelity planes should not be made anymore, just that, maybe having more low fidelity planes could also work, and make more sense financially, at the end for me personally the biggest reason to play DCS is the FM, systems are nice, but I wouldn't have anything wrong against an FC-3 level EF-2000 or Tornado.

I think the fact that the FM in the FC3 MiG-29 is good enough that it will be the exact same as the one in the FF Mig-29 speaks a lot about how even the low fidelity stuff is still very good, especially compared to fighters in MSFS.

I'd take the DCS MiG-29 over any MSFS plane in a heartbeat 😅 it's just so fun to fly. But I have nothing against also having some high fidelity modules that you need to thoroughly learn, which IIRC is the exact stance Enigma took

[trim harbor]

nah brother what is this

$50

btw

[dusky leaf]

Assume the screenies here are from the unfinished bit of the kola map. The ones on their site look reasonable.

[hollow oracle]

you got any games on your phone?

i didnt even know this feature existed on boeings, its a pointer that shows you your vertical speed, set altitude, and waypoints all on one bar

so you can set up descents perfectly

[echo gorge]

It's super handy on the planes that have it

SWA opted out for some reason

[reef isle]

probably because they were too afraid their pilots would be lost if it wasn't just a 737 classic with more screen space ahah

weren't they one of the very few operators (if not the only one) to use the cursed classic screen layout?

https://live.staticflickr.com/3590/3340958038_bdfe7d3e2e_c.jpg

[echo gorge]

Yeah they used to

[rustic charm]

SWA being just SWA I guess

[mortal furnace]

So the coke cola map is a shit show 🤣

Good

Glad i didnt buy it

🤣

[untold finch]

Yeah it definitely need a bit more time in the oven

[mortal furnace]

Its the same way ED never added Canterbury cathedrial into the channel map, I asked why not? They replied to many pixels....... Make of that what you will

[untold finch]

Turns out that the team who made Kola are, in part, the same team who made South Atlantic 🙂

they both have the same Project Lead and Vector Data Specialist

[shadow burrow]

oh these are great

[trim harbor]

Lmfao

[untold finch]

New Fokker 70/100 update: https://www.justflight.com/in-development/f70-100-professional

gorgeous artwork

[alpine coral]

It does?
I had no idea 💀

[untold finch]

Press CTR twice and it'll show up

[alpine coral]

Gotcha, thanks

[trim harbor]

i thought its out for a second

omg cream

is it coming 2024 or 2025

[agile oak]

hot

[untold finch]

I'd hope 2024, still plenty of year left and I think that either this or the Avro RJs are their next thing

[tired pond]

I cannot wait for it myself, it's the perfect kind of plane for me

Amsterdam Schiphol will become my most visited airport on Volanta that's a guarantee

[untold finch]

Beyond ATC is out

[hollow oracle]

I might have to check it out, $30 isn’t bad at all

I just don’t want the ATC to be all “PLEASE EXPEDITE YOUR CLIMB” and “you must do the VOR approach “

[untold finch]

NO ILS FOR YOU

[hollow oracle]

I need to learn VOR landings eventually, but I don’t want to be forced into one by an ATC while learning

[untold finch]

Indeed

[hollow oracle]

Actually, because it’s a more advanced AI, I’m wondering if I could just straight up ask for the ILS

[untold finch]

Would be interesting to see. EasyjetSimPilot has put out a video on it, seems quite informative.

Too much yapping about Vatsim though

[untold finch]

apparently there's no paypal support

but they have "cashapp" whatever that is

[untold finch]

ended up just using my debit card

[wide zenith]

Very intrigued, had some good moments with vatsim but its draining and the constant changes of staffed positions irks me

i’ve had contact mes on finals, which I get but its jarring. and the top down coverage at times can be interesting when i’m on short final with an aircraft taken off and someone 100s miles is asking for clearance causing me to go around

all to say beyondatc is definitely something i’d pick up, gonna watch a few streamers and vids, and see public opinion before I pick it up tho

enough of my yappin have a nice sunday

[trim harbor]

already?

damn

bruh

@untold finch whast the price

total

that u pai

d

[untold finch]

$29.99

[trim harbor]

aww man

now im scared to spend $30 fr

[untold finch]

gonna give it a go shortly

quick munich - liege hop

[trim harbor]

How‘d it go?

[untold finch]

just about to start 😄 ended up doing some housework

[wide zenith]

let us know

[trim harbor]

Ah that‘s fine, thank you

[untold finch]

yeah so um

this is amazing

the basic voices with regional accents are quite hard to understand so i'm trying the 50,000 characters of free premium voice that you get given

reckon i'll use about 4,000 of that this flight, given that there's no traffic being generated yet

the voice recognition works perfectly
i get clear instructions on what the atc wants me to do
it corrects me and prompts me if i get stuff wrong or miss out info

okay some of the basic voices are hard to understand, some are much better and clearer

but imo
the premium voices are worth it for just how "real" they sound

[trim harbor]

Are you a native speaker?

[untold finch]

yessir

[trim harbor]

Fuck

[untold finch]

though tbh i am definitely tripping over my words a bit

(never used vatsim)

halfway there

will be interesting to see how the descent goes

[rustic charm]

Gonna have to try it out too at some point

[untold finch]

first flight did

out of 50,000

used about 6k
ended up getting vectored on to the ILS approach, was quite nice though not what i'd expected to do, seemed to work just fine
it didn't recognise my parking spot, and i probably burned about 1k characters just trying to argue with it over that, before realising that i needed to say "Cargo one zero" rather than "one zero" or "parking one zero" to get it to work

sadly the lack of VR support means there'll be a few snags like that

it doesn't really use a lot during the cruise, maybe a couple of hundred per controller at most

so if 5000 gets you through one regular flight without repeating lots...

the $9.99 pack gives you 250,000

which is what... 50 flights?

or approx $0.20 a flight

I'd probably call that around $7.00 a month if you add some longer flights in there and do a daily flight

that's... not terrible

[trim harbor]

I‘ll buy and hope voice work

[trim harbor]

Meh

[untold finch]

I'll stress that that's only if you want to use the premium voices

it's completely free after that if you just want basic voices

and tbh
even if you don't use the speech recognition
it's still a straight-up better ATC than the default, even if you're just selecting from the options available in the UI

[trim harbor]

How are they

Default

Also whats ur voice accuracy test thingy say

[untold finch]

I didn't test it

The default voices are hit-and-miss
Certain accents are very hard to understand, most are fine

[trim harbor]

Goddamnit

[wide zenith]

Seems pretty good, I'm not a fan of the top up thing but it probably is gonna cost them a lot server wise so its not too bad

and as you say its a choice, the basic voices seem semi okay enough

[untold finch]

The top up thing pays directly for AI voice model use, iirc - they're likely acting as a middleman for an AI voice generation service

I think their server infrastructure is actually fairly light, it just seems to be a shop, a website and an auth service

everything else seems to be done locally or via said voice gen service

[tired pond]

I'm just doing my first flight with it

And looks like I'll have fun one as wind has changed since flight plan for Aldergrove so interested in seeing how it'll manage me

[wide zenith]

Just gave in and picked it up, gonna give it a try tomorrow on a rotation of some sorts

[wide zenith]

how did it manage, or managing ect?

[tired pond]

It didn't switch runway in end which is fair as wind got a bit better but I wasn't low enough to land so had to sort of go around

Hopefully it's only this once and it was a skill issue by me not decending quick enough

[wide zenith]

Ah okay! I've seen/heard about it not descending properly so hopefully they can fix it

Im intrigued by how it handles bigger airports like EHAM, EGLL ect

with multiple rwy ops

[untold finch]

Did fine for Liege, but given that it doesn't handle other traffic it's not got a lot to do

[trim harbor]

ok so after giving it a shot

super cool program, i'd honestly prefer it over vatsim once AI comes out for it

50k characters is nothing and used up super fast, idk how much i'm gonna like that long term lol

[untold finch]

How many flights did you do to burn up 50k characters? 😮

[trim harbor]

oh i didnt burn any up yet

i burned up about 3k in just about 1 1/2 flights

a game crash with beyondatc running really is a bummer lemme say

[untold finch]

ah, that's even less than I used 😄

yeah i can imagine

[trim harbor]

i like how the atc responds to stuff like 'thank u have a good day' with

[untold finch]

Yeah it feels really dynamic and natural

when they tell you "NO" or "NEGATIVE" when you forget information in your readback, feels very convincing

[trim harbor]

indeed

the technology behind this is super good and im honestly suprised on how well it works

cant wait for ai and oceanic

[wide zenith]

I wonder what it thought i was trying to say

was too eager to give it a go so did a small hop, generally okay all around. accessibility wise its amazing, i'm sure so many people who were too scared to go on vatsim or felt the want to learn atc but the inbuilt system wasn't good can now do so in a less judgemental and chilled environment

really enjoyed having ATC all the way, something you only really get at peak time weekends on vatsim or an event

I hope ( 🤞 ) freeware and payware devs look into making their sceneries more compatible with beyondATC going forward as it develops, as I know thats a source of quite a few of the issues

[hollow oracle]

wow

i am VERY impressed so far

and i havent even left the gate yet

[trim harbor]

lol???

[hollow oracle]

i did run into a bug where i tuned out of the radio too quick and softlocked the ATC, but thats my fault

oh, and for some reason my callsign is randomized even though my flight plan has one set

im satisfied with just the basic TTS too, its not as clear, but it sounds great still tbh

[trim harbor]

the simbrief one right

[untold finch]

yeah i had this at liege

[hollow oracle]

yes

[hollow oracle]

i should be AA1936, but instead im airbus 936

[untold finch]

Did you set AA1936 as your callsign?

[hollow oracle]

yes, in simbrief

[untold finch]

I think that needs to be AAL1936

[trim harbor]

it does

3 letter icao

[untold finch]

Callsign should, iirc, be the ICAO 3 character identifier followed by the individual callsign numbers/letters
Flight number is the IATA 2 char code, plus your flight number

[hollow oracle]

you learn something new everyday

its going to be a pain in the ass to correct that on every single flight plan tohugh

[untold finch]

That's weird, Simbrief generates it the "correct" way for me automatically

[hollow oracle]

ew, i just noticed the images they used are AI generated, i always kind of suspected it to be that way but close-up its very obvious

[untold finch]

I like that honestly, it's kinda fitting 😄

[hollow oracle]

true, but i feel like AI voice generation and chatbots are a VERY different beast from AI artwork, AI artwork puts talented artists out of jobs while funny voices and text generation does not

[untold finch]

The voices puts voice actors out of jobs, the text gen puts writers out of jobs 😦

They're even coming for me as a software engineer

[hollow oracle]

i mean, you arent going to get a voice actor to record every single use case of an AI ATC, and have everything typed out beforehand

actually, they did technically get real voice actors too, using content creators' voice samples to make custom ATC voices

[hollow oracle]

it corrects the airport codes for me which is nice, but does not correct the ICAO of the airline

[hollow oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/eye-twitch-gif-21566093

ive had to restart this flight 4 times now, because toolbar pushback does not want to cooperate with the headwind A321neo

which is frustrating, because since i upgraded to the payware version of it, ive never had any issues, even with the regular FBW A32NX

its the parking brake, it keeps saying its on even though its not

with everything, the built in pushback, the flypad pushback, and the toolbar pushback

LOL IT JUST TELEPORTED ME INTO THE GROUND NOW??

[hollow oracle]

ew, beyondATCs taxi instructions are absolutely horrible

like, i get its early access, but theyre just straight up incoherent

actually, im wondering if its because navigraph is too up-to-date, im on taxiways in-game that dont even exist on the airport info map

im literally using a payware scenery pack for chicago ohare though

okay, no, wtf are we doing here

im taking off from runway 9R, and its taking me on a tour around the entire airport on taxiways that dont exist in-game or on the navigraph chart

okay, im not impressed anymore

it changed my runway without telling me, and when i was lined up for my planned runway of 9R, it says i should be on 9C

i understand its early access, but i feel like their statement that "incorrect airport data messes with the ATC" was extremely understated, i feel like it should be closer to "disregard anything the ATC says regarding taxi routes and takeoff runways", it honestly even feels like the AI is just not programmed correctly to communicate runway changes at the very least which feels like it should be complete by an early access payware release, at the very minimum

[alpine coral]

👍

[lethal jasper]

tbf, the default msfs atc did this to me at Haneda 😂

[hollow oracle]

after way too much troubleshooting, im finally in the air and flying with beyondATC

you very much have to trial-and-error your way through airports, KORD was a disaster, but KBOS turned out to be a perfect taxi route and takeoff

ill keep a list of what i find to be good and bad airports through beyondATC

oh, i very much reccomend not using your premium voice credits when your setting up beyondATC too, the amount of them i would have probably burned through while just trying to get this working would be terrifiying

[lethal jasper]

How is it with 3rd party airports? and I'm assuming it struggled with KORD due to complexity of layout?

[hollow oracle]

3rd party airports are pretty much standard, the default ones are so inaccurate with their data and will rarely work nicely

I think KORD didn’t work because of its complexity, and bad data from the addon

[reef isle]

What is this phraseology?

I get that in the US they tend not to use perfect ICAO phraseology all the time, but that's way too far

And if it says stuff like that in Europe it's just wrong

Also "what was I thinking" as a response, gross.

[lethal jasper]

tbf, the auto response is bad, much better doing yourselves

[mild zenith]

Status: Bad Pilot 😂

[untold finch]

Iunno, sounds exactly like something Kennedy Steve would have said

[reef isle]

Yeah, but he was the exception, not the rule 😅

Most likely this would have just gone like this:

XX, ready for departure, 9R
XX, confirm runway 9R?
XX, Affirmative, 9R
XX, I told you to go to runway 9C [new taxi instruction]

or

XX, ready for departure, 9R
XX, negative, you were given 9C [new taxi instruction]

I can see ATC interjecting some out of phraseology things in there, but nowhere near as much as that, that communication was like 80% random words that didn't convey any useful information.

I could see that happen only in an extremely quite airport where there are like 1 or 2 aircraft, and the controller just decides to be rude and argumentative for no reason

A friend of mine controls JFK on VATSIM, and there are a lot of terrible pilots in there and I don't think I've ever heard him tell things like that, or told me of his friends talking to pilots like that

[untold finch]

Gotcha

I'd definitely feed this all back to them, they seem quite responsive to feedback

[lethal jasper]

My FS crashed on a 6hr flight with Beyondatc, now whether it was due to bg processes (pilots life 2, beyond, etc.), I'll never know

[untold finch]

6 hour flight? Entirely possible that it was a memory leak honestly

I try to keep mine to ~4 hours max now, longer than that seems to be a gamble with MSFS

[lethal jasper]

And I was soo close to tod too 😂

[untold finch]

Volanta autosave is a lifesaver for stuff like this tbh

have it save every 15 mins, gives you peace of mind

[reef isle]

has anyone tried to fly /A with BeyondATC?

honestly that could be the one and only reason why I could even think about getting that thing

[trim harbor]

what u mean

[reef isle]

Flying with only VOR/DME/ILS

so no directs

and maybe it it's really good "Maintain heading then follow X radial for Y VOR", or "Maintain Heading, intercept X airway"

[untold finch]

Would be worth a try, though I suspect not at this stage of early access.

[trim harbor]

ahhh, yeah as malakhit said, prob not in EA

[wide zenith]

except for some spicy initial flight level, it did the go around quite well

it wanted me to go to Fl161 and then descend back down to 2500 lol

some spicy visibility too

[untold finch]

oh neat, already a beyondatc update

[tired pond]

I've noticed 2 already

Descent for me on the second flight I initally thought was sus but it was actually spot on

Had to go around but that was because of a skill issue on my part but it handled it really well

[trim harbor]

taking the lady for a spin

[untold finch]

can't wait until the full release

[trim harbor]

found a gaem breaking glitch w beyondatc

once it hands u off, the next controller kinda forgets about getting u down lol

im 20 miles away at FL270

[tired pond]

Hmm, almost always after I switched they gave me an immediate decent

[trim harbor]

who knows

after doing -6k fpm on the way down im back in the loop

(and descending without controllers perm)

md11 flies well

the flightmodel is asscrack

other than that it's great imo

missing a few features yes, but it can fly a-b no problem

[untold finch]

Second BATC flight, no problems at all.

[trim harbor]

oh brother the embraer

[untold finch]

Another 5000 chars gone. The VR UI is definitely going to help.

[untold finch]

Yes

[trim harbor]

i wish it had vnav

all i need from that thing

[untold finch]

It would definitely make the process a little easier but it's not too difficult to manage without it

I typically just did FLCH and FMS speed

[trim harbor]

does it have a t/d at the very least

[untold finch]

I think so? I wasn't really looking tbh

I descended when BATC told me to descend

topped out around -3000ft/min but was generally less than that

[trim harbor]

as long as it hast a T/D i can manage

because then it's legit the xplane version

idk why every dev is struggling so much to make working vnav for the ejets

[reef isle]

I've heard it's not good IRL

[trim harbor]

yea ejets arent as good

but i love them because short flights

and crj is ass

[hollow oracle]

ive been on both, and i have literally had no issues with either

just small planes so its cramped and bumpy

i actually pulled a muscle in my left thigh getting off of a E175 because it was so cramped, and i was in pain for like 2 weeks

[trim harbor]

i have the experience that the CRJ on lufthansa was better than the ERJ on BA

ngl

[untold finch]

BA doesn't have ERJs 😉

E-Jets are the bigguns, the ERJs are the little baby ones like the 145

which Loganair seems to have an endless supply of

[trim harbor]

i meant ejets whoopsies

[shadow burrow]

oh yeah?

BA Dash8

the older stuff like the -300's were ex brymon

newer Ejets were ordered specifically for BA connect

ran alongside the BAe's

all were sold to flybe in 2007 before heading to BMI that then went to Loganair and Eastern

so yeah

thats why loganair has an endless supply of them

[untold finch]

have being the present tense was key to my point 😉

[hollow oracle]

testing out the voice input function on beyondATC, works flawlessly

even for my quiet voice that everyone finds hard to understand

makes me feel cool as hell too, talking like a pilot

trying to eat my lunch while talking to ATC is no easy task though

wow!!!! it even gives you a proper descent!!!! no yelling at you to expedite climb to FL220 while on the glideslope

[trim harbor]

yea

thats the second time

[hollow oracle]

the takeoff was a nightmare because it was flaps 3, and i almost stalled like i did last time, and the landing was a nightmare for a combination of a misaligned ILS, severe turbulence, and the game freezing to load in KJFK for the first time

and just for know, my 1hr flight from boston to JFK, using voice input, with the premium TTS, only took up 4,277 characters

which would last approx. 12 flights at that rate

and if you bought the $30 "big pack" of TTS chars, that would last you almost 200 flights at that rate

[hollow oracle]

and the $10 pack of 250k chars would last you approx 60 flights

[trim harbor]

jfc

what a mistake of a flight

batc just shat the entire way through

plane floated over the whole runway

mfg

[hollow oracle]

that sounds more like an issue with the airport than BATC

[trim harbor]

not necessarily

batc didnt understand 90% of the frequencies

neither did it think to give me a lower altitude on approach

prompting me to lovely overfly the airport at 5k ft

[tired pond]

I've had 1 too high so far

Other 2 times absolutely fine

[trim harbor]

i've 2 fine flights, 2 mid ones

[untold finch]

Hopefully they'll iron this out as early access goes on

[hollow oracle]

what sim is that?

[untold finch]

DCS

[hollow oracle]

[merry mason]

Fuck that looks good tho

Shame it’s DCS…

[untold finch]

Awesome!

What resolution are you playing in again?

I'm considering going ultrawide

[abstract mural]

What? With all the modules about to come? How on earth did you figure that? (F4, Kiowa, Kola, Chinook)

[crisp adder]

I´m playing at 3440x1440p. Ultrawide is lots of fun, I also quite like it when playing racing games. And for a screenshot scenic flight simulator the aspect ratio creates some very nice shots. You just have to zoom in a bit in order to decrease the wide angle lens effect, IMO.

[echo gorge]

Razbam, kola, chinook ea feature list, all the stuff to do with Afghanistan etc...

[untold finch]

They haven't had any releases since June last year, Phantom has been constantly delayed, no new ED products since BS3... Makes sense that they'd be hurting a little for cash. The Chinook and Afghanistan being pushed out the door before they even know the full feature list is a bit of a red flag, imo.

Plus things over in the owner's other business are not going smoothly, and he's been taking large interest-free loans from ED every year for the past few years

TFC (the other business) is in quite a bit of trouble imo. No airshows for a few years really hurt their revenue. The airshow they managed to run last year clashed with RIAT and so didn't sell tickets that well. They cancelled again this year without really giving much reasoning. The place that the collection lives (IWM Duxford) has started charging private collections like TFC for hangar space, and even kicking some collections out to make room for new exhibits.

Plus they lost at least some of their dev team to the war in Ukraine, given that they're a Russian studio. There's no real hard evidence that ED is struggling for cash, but there are a lot of the typical warning signs present at the moment.

[abstract mural]

I was joking xD

[untold finch]

My wall of text now seems out of place but I shall live with my mistakes

[mortal furnace]

F16 EA, F18 EA, A10C II EA, They have all been EA so what makes you think that, Chinnock and Afghanistan are any different? ED i doubt are struggling for money. Even the WW2 asset pack was EA as they added new units. And i doubt they lost some of there team to a war lol, You know full well most are based in the swiss country.

People are just assuming because of what happened with Razbam, so people guess

[untold finch]

Nobody is based in Switzerland lol. Look up their address on google maps, it's a PO box.

Their dev studio is based in Moscow and has been for a long time. They market themselves as an international company headquartered in Switzerland. I think some of the exec team moved to the UAE after the war started, pretty sure that Kate (their COO) even confirmed it on their own discord.

And as for what made those things different; F-16C, F/A-18C and A-10CII all had full lists of what to expect in early access when the pre-orders went up. Did they 100% stick to those lists? No, not really, but at least you had some idea of what to expect from your ~$50 purchase. Even then, the Viper launch was such a trainwreck that ED publicly apologised and promised never to do that again.

Compare that with the Chinook, where the feature list is "interior and exterior model, flight model, VR support, TBD everything else" - how can you make an informed purchase at this point?

Can I also say; I find it a little odd that you only seem to appear here whenever someone is criticising ED, in order to defend them from criticism... What's the deal with that?

[mortal furnace]

Na trust me ive rinsed ED on patches that are borked, Or broken along with other issues there certainly not perfect so dont worry and there certainly not posted public but privately. Like i say people just assume but have no facts to back up claims of "Ed are losing money" or "ED need EA for cash" Thats just crowd following on what i read in other places, Infact ive not even purchased Kola it looks not really that gerat so there you go 🙂

[untold finch]

Yeah fair. Like I said, there is no evidence that ED are strapped for cash, but there are a lot of red flags right now. I hope Kola improves, Orbx are decent folks, just gotta give them a while I think.

[mortal furnace]

Just dont believe everything you see on the net, Like kola has low texture places so does south atlantic, However so do most maps NTTR even causcaus have low res areas

You can still fly over them

[untold finch]

I know, and Kola is EA. I think what most people are objecting to is the fact that textures got downgraded without warning between the pre-release promo materials and the launch

It was for a reasonable reason, performacne optimisation - but it's definitely the sort of thing that you miiiight want to mention before selling to a customer

[mortal furnace]

For a trailor yea you want it fancy could be a different build of dcs

[untold finch]

it was a previous version of the map before they did texture optimisation

they confirmed as much on their discord

[mortal furnace]

Im not in there discord

[untold finch]

you're not missing much 😄

i think that rubbed people the wrong way, felt a bit like a bait-and-switch

I'll buy it if they can deliver on their promises

[mortal furnace]

Well it will

Does N9rmandy map 2.0 have textures?

If you dont upgrade

[untold finch]

Yeah, it works kinda like Afghanistan will

I upgraded immediately though, Normandy 2 is probably the best looking map in the whole game

Ugra do fantastic work

[mortal furnace]

I think marianas ww2 will be crap performance to

[untold finch]

I actually heard that Marianas performance got a lot better with the last major patch, not tried it out though

It's easily the worst performing map of them all

[trim harbor]

run down

[trim harbor]

bro LOL

[untold finch]

well, when people said "it can train you for vatsim" they weren't kidding

[trim harbor]

:(((

i was legit almost at the holding point