Flight Sims (MSFS, P3D, X-Plane, DCS, FS98...)

[untold finch]

Sale is still going if you're on standalone. Persian Gulf is quite a good map though it's a bit dated by now.

[untold finch]

be honest, are you going "dakka dakka dakka" every time you use that gun

because it's only right to do so

[echo gorge]

maybe

I love the engagement distances and times with the first world war aircraft, it takes so long to kill unless you get lucky

[untold finch]

It's very pistols-at-dawn

[ocean trellis]

true, but i think its the second most used map besides caucasus

imo

[untold finch]

I'd say that's probably Syria at this point

Syria is the best all-round map in DCS atm imo

[echo gorge]

Persian gulf has some really stunning areas (near shiraz and the uae cities) but syria's got way more mission opportunities

[untold finch]

WW2 ones aren't great for modern aircraft, Caucasus and NTTR are old but still good, PG is a bit dull, Marianas runs like crap and is mostly water, Sinai is very WIP and South Atlantic seems to flip between okay and rough every other patch

[echo gorge]

Yeah it's great, and everything's so slow, it's beautiful

[untold finch]

Normandy 2 is probably my fave but I rarely fly warbirds at the moment so I never see it

[echo gorge]

things went poorly

[untold finch]

Looks like the 2024 And Beyond video for DCS is coming today

[light night]

i tried to use the drone cam but the camera doesnt turn

[echo gorge]

It uses the number pad for controls by default I believe, takes some getting used to

[light night]

ohhh

wel my keyboard doesnt have one..

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhLQNuxRqJQ

[echo gorge]

Mig 29 wefhrgsjasfawrgsdgjcvbzsfgzsfbsrgj

[echo gorge]

Also the kola, Iraq, and intruder looked lovely, nice to see new ground vehicles as well, just a shame they're all either super modern or second world war

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/newsletters/3835d6a01ff60597c1a3c993ff9c606a/

[short quail]

Could you land a Mad Dog at a Regonal Airport ?

MD-88

[echo gorge]

Looking at the newsletter I'm now a lot less excited for Iraq, I want the desert storm, oif, and Iran Iraq war stuff not the coin

[echo gorge]

They did all the time

If you can land a 320 or 73 at an airport the maddog should generally be fine

[untold finch]

It'll come later apparently, but yeah, they really should have started with the border

war-on-terror more like boring

[echo gorge]

Yeah, once it's finished I'll be excited (especially if it includes airports on the Iranian side of the border)

[short quail]

Will be Flying a Delta MD-88 i think to CMI University of Illinois Airport

[echo gorge]

GWOT stuff can be fun in helos, but the apache bores me, the Kiowa isn't out yet and we don't have any other appropriate helos outside the uh60 mod

But on the other hand phantom and tomcat vs mirage and migs over the Iran Iraq border would be or desert storm with the strike eagle for the modern folks

[untold finch]

There's always the Hind. Think Poland used theirs in the GWOT

Though it was Hind-Ds rather than our Hind-F

[abstract mural]

Oh ED, you're making me sad. Confirming the Mig29A and Iraq for this year but never lose a word about the Chinook after it's teaser in last year's and beyond 😭

[untold finch]

The newsletter has a bunch more info on the Chinook

[abstract mural]

Yeah I just hope it's close. My most expected aircraft since it's teaser in last year's abd beyond

[echo gorge]

I could see it being a lot of fun in Afghanistan, bringing troops and supplies from one of the cities to all the fobs and outposts

Though I'd honestly rather just do that with the hip as a 'contractor' aircraft

[short quail]

or some C17s

[echo gorge]

Really doesn't fit with dcs imo, the upcoming c130's already stretching it

[short quail]

Flight Path of KORD--->KCMI 19min FLight

[reef isle]

Also did you catch the MiG-23 flyby?

[untold finch]

I am going to fly the C-130 either a lot or once, no in-between

I can only imagine it being great fun, I love big turboprop transports

[untold finch]

Soviet-Afghan war stuff is going to go hard

[untold finch]

It's still very early days for it imo but if the Beagle is anything to go by, it's going to be a well-made module

[echo gorge]

Yeah, super excited but doubt it'll be a 2024 release

[reef isle]

yeah

I'm a bit sad there was no EFA at all

but eveything else seems cool

[echo gorge]

The a6 looked so cool, of course we won't be seeing a playable one until 2030

it was frustrating seeing such high quality new abrams, but the M60 and cold war era soviet equipment still have such poor models

[short quail]

-54Fpm Landing

[untold finch]

M60 got updated somewhat recently

[echo gorge]

oh? whoops 😅

[untold finch]

The T-55 was a nightmare to make liveries for though, such a dated model

[abstract mural]

Yes. Yes, but I am really excited for the Chinook. Finally a modern transport helicopter. I mean I hoped for something along those lines for a long time. Ch-53, NTH-90 would've been even better IMHO because it can additionally use weapons. But a Chinook is, well, it's a Chinook.

[abstract mural]

Yeah, I get that, but for the C130 I'm still hoping for paratrooper functionality

[echo gorge]

I'd have killed for a super jolly

[abstract mural]

Yeah. Makes us two

But again, a Chinook isn't bad

[echo gorge]

I suppose it's gonna be incredibly dependent on the quality of the missions people make for it, it's not gonna be great just bringing out on multiplayer servers

[untold finch]

I think any server using CTLD will already see a major benefit from it

FARPs already take something like 6 crates to build, and the Hip can only carry like 3... Chinook, on the other hand... 😄

[abstract mural]

For my squadron: We have an always running MP-Server, Open conflict type, and there's always something to do, even for helicopter

[abstract mural]

Yeah exactly

Also, idk if Memes are appreciated here but here ya' go

[echo gorge]

honestly ED seemed to be pushing the chinook pretty heavily, both in the newsletter and the video

[untold finch]

can't wait to do the quickstop in it

[echo gorge]

I really hope we get some marine helos at some point, ch-46, uh1-n or y and ah1-w or z

[trim harbor]

So what all is gonna come in 2024 of thst

[untold finch]

Honestly? Never really possible to tell until it does

[echo gorge]

I'd guess maybe the chinook and/or one of the maps

[untold finch]

F-4E is almost certain
I'd be stunned if the Kiowa didn't
La-7 is probable

[trim harbor]

kiowa PLEASE

[untold finch]

Maybe afghanistan, I could see the Chinook not hitting this year, but we'll see

Iraq probably not

F4U... I damn well hope so at this point

[echo gorge]

yeah, given this was the iraq announcement I assume it'll be another year or two

[trim harbor]

f14d

tbh heatblur did mention it some time ago

im praying

[echo gorge]

I'm honestly way more interested in the early F-14A, that's still not out yet right?

[trim harbor]

well uh

it's out

but i REALLY don't know how accurate

[echo gorge]

the iranian one?

[trim harbor]

no only the normal a

[echo gorge]

yeah, iirc that's a version with later upgrades that's not really accurate to late 70s early 80s or the iranian exports

it was in one of their dev diary sort of posts that they were planning on releasing it in 2022 iirc but that's obviously not happened yet

[untold finch]

F-14D is less likely, F-14B with the upgraded HUD and various other parts is more likely

[echo gorge]

Q: What versions of the -A will be simulated? A: Similar as with the -B, each version of the -A spans a certain time period, but to discern them easier, we divide them into the 135GR late version (same time period as the -B), which has more or less feature parity with the -B, except for engines, engine instrument panels and some minor differences; the 135GR early version (late 70s to early/mid 90s), which also features an older version of the RWR (the ALR-45) and the ECM page on the HSD; and the bonus 95GR IRIAF version, which is similar to the 135GR early (late 70s/ early 80s), with the difference of having no TCS, no ICLS/ACLS, no datalink, no Lantirn pod, only older weapons (no aim-9m, no aim-7M(/H), no aim-7F, no aim54A mk.60 and aim54C) and only dumb air to ground munitions. Each version will include skins for their dedicated period/country. All -A versions feature the TF-30 Engines.

[untold finch]

Yeah, we only have one -A so far, the later 135GR

[trim harbor]

u know i'd even take that

[untold finch]

As would I

[trim harbor]

as long as we get a somewhat modern f14

as much as i love the f14, it sucks at fighting newer jets, even if you're a super good pilot

bvr atleast

the 54s' were of course never made for long range fighter bvr

good for being human AWACS tho

[echo gorge]

honestly I think the F14 will really benefit when the 29a and the 23 come out, it should have fun especially stomping the 23

[trim harbor]

thank god for more redfor aircraft

theres a lack of that

a6 pls

[echo gorge]

Intruders over Vietnam 😍

[trim harbor]

i wish

[echo gorge]

I really hope with the after the Iraq and Afghanistan maps they'll do some cold war stuff, the inner german border or Vietnam would be incredible

[abstract mural]

Well, my point is, that we already know the Mig29 was coming, just not when. Iraq? No hone had a clue. And if they'd treat both of those the same as the Chinook, they'd just acknowledge that they're in developement. They didn't just do that. They confirmed them for this year. But about the Chinook there's still not much info other than "it's being developed"

[echo gorge]

...but they did give info?

[abstract mural]

No. But a release date.

[echo gorge]

ok? at least to me I'd rather they not give it a release date before they know they can release it

[abstract mural]

You know the community. You know they (we) want some thing

It didn't work out so well for the 2022 relase of the F4, did it?

[echo gorge]

there's significant phases of development where there's not much to publicly show, better to show nothing

[untold finch]

They said that it's coming 2024, doesn't necessarily mean that it will though

Also, each of these things is being made by a different team iirc, so they're not necessarily competing for resources

[untold finch]

Attempted KONT -> KSFO, left engine failed on the takeoff run, aborted and returned back to the gate I just left. Cool that it has this feature, just would rather not have had it happen tonight...

[echo gorge]

did you leave the starter on? that can cause engine issues

[untold finch]

I didn't - I think I probably overdid it with the throttle

I set it to normal T/O setting, and expected it to just be fine with me pushing the throttles full forward

The RPM and EGT gauges started flashing, but the damage was done before I could throttle back down

At least my PSA boarding music worked though 😎

[young hazel]

Is FSLTL still the best mod to use for AI traffic(

[untold finch]

Hard to argue with free, and with that much variety in models and liveries

It does require a fairly beefy PC though, I lose about 10-15fps with it running in a busy area

[trim harbor]

the a300 has weird nav issues for me

it takes the turns too wide and sometimes just looses track of the flightplan alltogether

yikes

[untold finch]

That's better.

[untold finch]

Just gave the new virtual airline thing, flyLAT, a go... it's pretty rough.

Very much a beta. I called my airline the same thing as someone else's by mistake, and now I can't manage it because I just get redirected to theirs

Can't delete my account either

[rustic cedar]

heard that if you fly below 20m you can fly under the carriers AA, low key a bit spooky

this is about 20 feet

[echo gorge]

The viper's thinking it's a viggen

[echo gorge]

tfdi's textures are looking impressive #589857088214401024 message

[trim harbor]

i still havent flown it\

oops

[echo gorge]

I haven't bought it, I might but I don't find the MD11 particularly interesting, especially not enough to get one in early access

really hope they bring their 717 to msfs though, preferably before they're all gone irl

[trim harbor]

i preordered it in the hopes it'll get released relatively done\

owell

[echo gorge]

afaik the people playing it do seem to like it

[untold finch]

It looks great, but I've heard that it's quite early as far as early access goes

i'll definitely fly it a tonne when it comes out for everyone though, would love a proper tri-jet, though i have absolutely no idea how i'll bind it across two throttle axes

L/CR I guess

[echo gorge]

with the FJS 72 I just bound it so one throttle controlled all three, though you could split it so one axis controls the outer engines and one axis controls the inner engine

[untold finch]

That seems like the more sensible approach

[echo gorge]

iirc on the MD11 you're supposed to keep the engine 2 throttle in during the flare, and that'd let you do that

[untold finch]

huh

putting the mad in mad dog I guess

[echo gorge]

I don't remember exactly where I read/heard that, so take it with a grain of salt though

[merry mason]

Classic

[rustic cedar]

ooo

i think i still got my original big box of that somewhere too

oh no wait, i have 2000 i think

managing to actually re-fuel now

nevermind

[echo gorge]

Looks about right

[ocean trellis]

atleast the tanker is flying right ?

RIGHT ?

[light night]

why isnt the darkstar engine running 😢

[light night]

nice

never seen a southwest plane in person actually

i love msfs so muchh

especially business jets

anything with interior

why are 3 and 4 not running

[untold finch]

enroute to Seoul Incheon from Tokyo Haneda

[trim harbor]

is the fbw 320 neo cockpit avail for everyone yet

[untold finch]

Yes, you just need to switch to the development branch

I'm flying it right now

It looks pretty good

[reef isle]

The Darkstar has two engine types, the one that are shut down are scramjets, that need a very high mach number to operate

you'd switch those on once you're well past supersonic

[untold finch]

Cold, foggy one in Seoul today

[echo gorge]

Perfect aim54 target right there

[rustic cedar]

oo i haven't learnt those yet, could be worth a learn if i can down things super far

stalled instantly after this break

[echo gorge]

I'm not a tomcat driver, but a mainstay's not that different from a bear or backfire and deleting them at long range is what the pheonix is made for

[rustic cedar]

tomcat looked like a lot of fun to me, but when i was looking at it you gotta have an AI in the back and tell him to do stuff with a radial menu or something?

seemed a bit much

[untold finch]

it's not as complex or involved as you might think, he's generally quite self-managing

i primarily just tell him what to lock with the radar

[echo gorge]

Yeah that's what's always kept me away as well, it's apparently pretty alright in single player though

[untold finch]

with VR or headtracking, you just press the button to open the menu, look in the direction of the option you want, press the button again, done

[echo gorge]

And I found petrovich in the hind surpringly usable, which is supposedly a lot rougher than jester

[untold finch]

imo they're different AIs for different jobs

and the interfaces suit each one

Petrovich and George are simpler, you're generally telling them to look at a specific point outside the aircraft and look for targets there, and then you want to scroll through what they find and pick something - they do that well

Jester has much more functionality, but it's rarely (other than A/G search) something that involves you telling him to look at something specific, so the wheel works quite well

[echo gorge]

how do you like it?

[untold finch]

I like it a lot!

It's really rather performant, which makes sense given the relative sizes of the engines and the rest of the plane.
The cockpit is deliciously retro, especially with the 530. Feels quite space-ship like too, with the narrow windows that are reminiscent of the B-2's.
The cabin area is pretty cool, though the pax models are a little... crunchy.

Tablet is rather basic but does the job

[rustic cedar]

downin some stinky helos

[echo gorge]

Pick on someone your own size 😭

[echo gorge]

Nice, I'm very tempted to get it

[rustic cedar]

i shot 2 fox 2s coming up on both of them at over 700 knots 😭

they didn't have a chance

[trim harbor]

rotary > fixed wing

[rustic cedar]

cosy as hell

[rustic charm]

Ultra cozy

[rustic charm]

How's the Aerosoft CRJ? I'm looking to buy a new airliner (I'm limited to the marketplace), wanted to buy the 737-800 but the price is quite steep and the liveries seem to be sold separately

Also, any enhancements from the marketplace that are must-have?

[untold finch]

Not... very good

[rustic charm]

Welp

[untold finch]

Not sure if it's on the marketplace but the WBSim Cessna 172 enhancement is good

I assume you've got the Fenix already?

[rustic charm]

Nope, can't get it

[untold finch]

Also, check out the 737-600 - it's like the -800 but shorter, lighter, takes off like a rocket, and is much cheaper. The 900 is also good, and relatively cheap

[trim harbor]

i was thinking the same

736 is probably your 'best bet' for a small aircraft rn

[untold finch]

The 800 is so expensive because it's got 4 variants

[trim harbor]

honestly though the fbw 320 is now also not as bad anymore imo

the cockpit made me hate it but it's fine now

[rustic charm]

Welp, I think what I also need is that one Thrustmaster Airbus controller… another crash landing on me

[echo gorge]

You're on PC right? You can download liveries free off fs.to

[rustic charm]

Yep PC

Thanks, gonna be good to know

[untold finch]

Performance issues?

[rustic charm]

Russia issues

[untold finch]

Quick trip up to Soldier Bar. Not the easiest approach in gusty weather...

[untold finch]

Hopefully there's a solution soon

[rustic charm]

Well I can only hope lol

[rustic cedar]

stress

[untold finch]

That's Mount Everest done!

[rustic charm]

That looks beautiful!

I actually never yet tried such flights, like small planes between small airports in scenic locations

[abstract mural]

Try that against the Pyotr Veliki or Kutznetsov or Moskva. You'll fail miserably. I tried even with Apache with the wheels touching the water. There is no chance to destroy these. Only possibility is Mig 21 and RN 21 but that's a suicide mission

[trim harbor]

Harpoon spam is the only way fr

[untold finch]

RB-04 > Harpoon

Viggen is the best anti-ship platform in the game at the moment

[abstract mural]

Yesn't. The Walleye was really good, you could destroy most ships in 1 and all in 2 hits, but AFAIK they changed the walleye logic recently so they're not bombs which wouldn't get intercepted by CIWS but now are seen as missiles (which they really aren't) and now they're getting intercepted

[untold finch]

i think they actually changed the logic so that everything can shoot down bombs now, iirc

[abstract mural]

Or that

[untold finch]

it started with the new ground-based phalanx system

at least we didn't have to pay for that i guess

[abstract mural]

xDDD

[trim harbor]

For sure

[short quail]

A321 Live in the Mo-Mint
KORD--->KATL

[untold finch]

KLAS -> KELP

[azure dome]

KLAX - RJTT

[rustic charm]

Alright I decided to spend in the end, so I need a bit of advice: 737-700 or 737-800

I assume they’re basically same internally so mainly talking about which one is of more use

[trim harbor]

-800, 100%

it's i think the most common aircraft in the world

in terms of commercial aviation aircraft

[rustic charm]

Welp that answers it

Thanks!

[dusky leaf]

Looking rather fantastic https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/246655-new-bird-aw-109-sp/&do=findComment&comment=2654158

[trim harbor]

thats a

nice cockpit actually

[dusky leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0j_yQrZS4E

Can be flown in XP

https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/langley/instructions-for-downloading-and-flying-all-three-x-59-laptop-flight-simulation-models/

[merry mason]

700 is good too though, rocket ship performance if you’re interested in the smaller amount of airlines that fly/flew it

-500 would be cooler…

[rustic charm]

Welp, I already got the 800 and I don’t plan on buying more for now

Already spent a lot 😅

Tbh I love the 800 for now

Plus I guess it’s gonna be a soft spot cause Aeroflot has a whopping 37 of them

[fathom fable]

50, 20 Retard, BANG

[trim harbor]

whoops

[untold finch]

Ehhhh. I've come to rely less on the landing rate itself honestly. Apparently Volanta averages out the last few seconds of flight to calculate it, so a steep approach with a smooth touchdown will still show up as quite a high rate. The G-force reading is a better indicator imo. 1.37 isn't great but it's much better than 959fpm would have you believe, it's definitely not a write-off of the plane. There have been aircraft that have landed at double that and still been repaired and flown again.

My worst was 1.53 I think, that one sucked

I mean I know for a fact that I absolutely buttered this on to Lukla's runway, but it still looks bad if you're only looking at FPM

[echo gorge]

ah but that's positive FPM

[untold finch]

Indeed it is, but even so, a negative one can be influenced by a downward sloping runway 😄

[echo gorge]

true

[untold finch]

think it's almost impossible to get a "good" fpm at london city due to the 5 degree glideslope

[echo gorge]

I generally judge landings by the all important 'did it feel good' metric 😅

[untold finch]

yeah, that's honestly the best way, and I think the G-Force reading is the closest quantifier of that

[echo gorge]

yeah agreed

[untold finch]

need some sort of transducers in my simpit so i can actually feel how bad the touchdown was 😆

[echo gorge]

[crisp adder]

You need a Buttkicker and a force feedback yoke. 😛

[echo gorge]

I really wish FFB was more affordable for flightsims, imagine an FFB stick for helos simulating force trim

[crisp adder]

Absolutely. The simracing crowd is really spoilt for choices when it comes to FFB. A well-priced FFB yoke would be great, too, especially to simulate the forces needed in certain flight situations.

[shadow burrow]

cough cough

[untold finch]

How far down the runway did you float? 😉

[shadow burrow]

barely any

[untold finch]

Fair, that's an impressive landing

[shadow burrow]

just really viciously pull on the stick when you are at about 50 feet

[untold finch]

i just wish Volanta could scrape a more accurate touchdown fpm rate rather than taking the last few seconds of the flight

[shadow burrow]

if your speed isnt too high you should just touch down very gently

[untold finch]

my G-force is barely any higher, virtually the same speed, just a much higher fpm

[shadow burrow]

there is a nack to it, it just takes ages to actually lear

yeah

G-Force isnt really a + on a landing

you should aim for low FPM over anything

thats where the brunt of the damage comes from

[untold finch]

interesting, a lot of people seem to say the opposite

at the end of the day, what really matters is whether it actually feels like a good landing
a hard landing is one of those things where you just know you've messed up

[shadow burrow]

unless its like 2-3g's your gonna feel the aircraft shake more than the force of the landing

yeah

[reef isle]

Forgot to send the screenshot, took part in the crazy Atlanta event two days ago, MD-82 + busy event might be the higher stress thing imaginable 😬

(also it was funny how a few ATC called me vistajet -VJA ICAO and Critter Callsign-

I somehow doubt VistaJet would ever fly an MD-82 ahahah

Thanks again DocTrench for letting me know that Piedmont VA, unfortunately I forgot to launch Pegasus for that flight, but they have lots of interesting schedules, I wish I wasn't this hopeless as managing their systems 😅

[echo gorge]

no worries

need to do some more vatsim maddog flying soon, I've been doing a lot of bizjet stuff recently

[trim harbor]

i also need to do vatsim again

i havent done it in a good year or something

[rustic charm]

Tbf I generally judge my landings by ‘is the plane right side up’ metric

[trim harbor]

shared cockpit baby

[untold finch]

For some reason my brain is entirely blanking on what aircraft this is

Looks like the Fokker F28 but newer?

[trim harbor]

Challenger 650

By Hotstart

[untold finch]

Neat!

[trim harbor]

Probably the best addon for any flight sim in terms of functionality

It takes realism to the next level imo

[trim harbor]

@untold finch u fly helis in msfs too right

[untold finch]

Occasionally

[trim harbor]

either it's a massive skill issue or they feel really off

[untold finch]

They are really off 😅

[trim harbor]

VRS is practically nonexistent lol

im struggling to fly them really badly

[untold finch]

Some are better than others (Taog's Hangar stuff is pretty good) but yeah
VRS isn't implemented into MSFS, the HPG Airbuses have to rely on external scripting to get it to work

Helicopters were a bit of an afterthought for Asobo

[trim harbor]

that explains it

i was wondering where vrs went

even then, the hpg one is awful

[untold finch]

If you fly it in the way an airbus helicopter is usually flown (mostly automated) you don't notice most of the imperfections

But yeah, X-Plane and DCS are leagues ahead

I've only flown an R-22 in real life but that felt quite familiar after flying in DCS for a decade

[trim harbor]

what i find weird is that the HPG ones don't require much collective

usually 40-45%

meanwhile my huey requires a whopping 90ish

[untold finch]

DCS Huey is currently screwed up

They messed with the engine modelling last year and it's not been the same since

[trim harbor]

in what way

[untold finch]

Good primer here: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/326015-hueys-new-performance-profile-discussion/

[trim harbor]

ngl what i've encountered issue wise is it's really wobbly in flight

it goes left and right

barely able to contain itself

also the only helo i have this issue with

[untold finch]

It's the only one with no stability augmentation so that might be why

[trim harbor]

ah

i need kiowa so bad

was thinking about gazelle

[untold finch]

Gazelle is good now

Probably my second favourite helicopter atm

[dusky leaf]

Love the Gaz, not great against anything that is going to shoot back, but fantastic to fly.

[reef isle]

Bad weather in KSAN...

Also I forgot how stressful the BARET5 STAR was as a /A 😅

[echo gorge]

Yeah it can be quite something

[rustic charm]

That the JF thingy?

(Nearly called it JT, don't mind me if I occasionally do )

[untold finch]

BAe 146, yeah

[rustic charm]

Looks very nice

Interesting too

Seems like a more or less older design

[untold finch]

even had some military usage

[shadow burrow]

it was the queens plane innit

[shadow burrow]

80's

[rustic charm]

Quite nice

[shadow burrow]

all 146's are gone now but the 2nd gen the Avro RJ's are still kicking about in some places

[echo gorge]

it's decently old, but has a lot more creature comforts (radios with preselect, more autopilot features, etc...) for the pilot than a 60s jetliner like the Fokker

[shadow burrow]

also very sexy

lest we forget

[rustic charm]

Well of course, 60s is very old

Especially if stuff has great levels of simulation (and I heard JF stuff does)

Tbh with autopilot for now my brain breaks with anything other than the default 320neo

Trying to understand how to work the 737 now

[echo gorge]

the JF stuff's great, lovely sounds, really nice flight model for handflying, excellent textures. The two caveats are that they're a bit more performance heavy than PMDG or the Maddog, and that they can have some (minor) autopilot quirks (the F28 tends to porpoise when light on fuel and no pax for example)

[rustic charm]

Guess I'll take the 146 the next time I decide to buy something kinda expensive

Any difference between buying it on JF and buying it on marketplace?

[echo gorge]

uhh, I think just faster updates for JF's store

[rustic charm]

Ah well then, basically as always

Already looking forward to buying it, trying it, realising I can't damn fly it

[echo gorge]

the JF manuals include really helpful full flight tutorials

[rustic charm]

Oh that is nice

[echo gorge]

https://www.justflight.com/articles/black-square-dukes-development-update-january-2024 EFB coming to all BKSQ aircraft, also the dukes are having a full boris soundset, makes me actually tempted to get one

[untold finch]

I still can't get the maddog to run anywhere near as well as anything else 😦

[echo gorge]

that sucks, for me it and the PMDG NG are my two best performing tubes

[rustic charm]

Maddog is the MD-80s right?

[untold finch]

oui

[rustic charm]

Interesting plane from the looks of it

[untold finch]

Maddog is the worst performing aircraft I have in MSFS on my end... must be some weird hardware thing

[echo gorge]

favorite tube in sim for me, pricing is quite unfortunate though

[rustic charm]

Is it really high quality?

[untold finch]

Yes, the depth is excellent and iirc it's the first airliner in MSFS that had persistence

It came out before the 737s didn't it? I forget

[rustic charm]

Persistence being...? In simple words for someone who's not a professional

[untold finch]

ah - it remembers failures and maintenance state

[trim harbor]

yep

i'm almost certainit also came before the fenix

[untold finch]

it's all controlled through an external app, sadly, which is less ideal than some newer aircraft
but you have to do your maintenance and so on

[echo gorge]

also got hoppy acars and great simbrief and gsx integration

[untold finch]

Visually, it's a little bit lacking, though there are improvements available
Audio-wise, the engine sounds are very meh, but the other cockpit sounds are pretty spot on

[rustic charm]

So... if you basically just fly it, it's gonna start behaving as if it's getting genuinely more worn out. Like, more failures and stuff?

[untold finch]

Plus you can have different boarding music per livery

[untold finch]

exactly

[echo gorge]

yep

[rustic charm]

That is certainly interesting

[echo gorge]

or you can kill engines by being stupid, other fun stuff like that

[untold finch]

can confirm

yolo max EPR

[rustic charm]

Oh so I can kill the engines on that

[echo gorge]

or leave the starter on during takeoff (not cont but one of the actual starter switches) 😅

[untold finch]

I recently lost one on takeoff because i exceeded the EPR limit

it also has a HUD, which is nice

Not sure how many airlines used it but it was more than one for sure

[trim harbor]

wait the maddog had a hud

[untold finch]

yep

[trim harbor]

bruh

[echo gorge]

swiss I think, I know some others had it but don't know which

[rustic charm]

I mean genuinely, such engine failures look like a great point to realism

[untold finch]

Here's a real photo of it

[echo gorge]

surprisingly not alaska

[untold finch]

PSA did apparently

[echo gorge]

oh yeah

[shadow burrow]

s5 r2

oh oop

[untold finch]

and all these settings are completely configurable on a per-livery basis

[shadow burrow]

using discord as my scratchpad

[rustic charm]

That is quite good

[untold finch]

one of my favourite features in the maddog is that when you use the in-cockpit printer, it actually prints it from your real printer

[echo gorge]

as you should

[echo gorge]

got a friend who bought a thermal printer just for it and the FSLabs

[untold finch]

Yeah I must admit I was looking at those after I tried it for the first time 😄

[rustic charm]

Full immersion

Tbh at this stage, just buy a cockpit xD

[echo gorge]

honestly could be really handy for PDC (if US vatsim bothered to use hoppy 😒 )

[rustic charm]

Genuinely I need some hardware for the sim too though...

Keyboard is just eh

Can only wish for one of the actual realistic controllers

[echo gorge]

obviously given your location you probably have issues, but even a cheap hotas can really make everything so much better

[rustic charm]

I am trying to just get my Xbox 360 controller connected to the computer, I feel like even that is gonna be quite better

[echo gorge]

I think it is, never tried it myself though 😅

[rustic charm]

So one question, if I have a flight created and I type in the information into the FMC in the 737 and the route doesn’t get built correctly, does that mean I got the wrong route or what?

Also there's something weird with the game since recently, it stopped liking exiting to menu

Loading into flights is fine, but when exiting to menu the loading just doesn't go

[echo gorge]

I'm not quite sure what you mean, could you elaborate further?

[trim harbor]

@echo gorge what do u use to find maddog routes

just google?

[rustic charm]

Well, I don’t remember the exact points already but it was kinda like

I was trying to set up for KSAN to KLAX, exiting KSAN with SID ECHHO2, arriving to KLAX via STAR OCEAN3

The ECHHO2 was via point SLI, OCEAN3 was via a point I don’t remember the name of, but it was very close to SLI and in line with the route

That was the route that MSFS gave me when starting the flight (I chose the locations of course, and the most direct SID & STAR available)

But when entering all that data into 737’s FMC, specifically when choosing OCEAN3 as the STAR, the FMC didn’t let me have such route and it shown me I have to go via a point JLI for approach, which is like way way off course

I was trying to follow the 737 manual just on a different route, but there’s a possibility I just did everything wrong

[reef isle]

https://flightsimdispatch.com/

Sorry, not DocTrench, and not the only source, but there are a lot here 😄

[rustic charm]

Btw don’t mind to ping me when replying, so I see the messages tomorrow I don’t mind it when it’s important

[trim harbor]

love you thank you

[untold finch]

Kodiak to Anchorage in the Duckworks DC-3. Sounds glorious.

[merry mason]

Rex/NJE in Aus is still operating a few of em, loved seeing them flying out of Brisbane late at night

[rustic charm]

Damn you made me just realise I ain’t tried to fly the DC-3 yet

I assume it’s quite a bit harder than modern stuff? Especially on longer flights. It doesn’t have autopilot at all does it?

[untold finch]

I was flying the retrofit version so it's GNS 530 and a basic autopilot, but due to me messing around with the livery definitions, they were inop for the flight, so i just hand-flew it

it's got a bit more to do than a lot of modern aircraft - really gotta keep an eye on temps

[rustic charm]

There is just something about these older airliners ngl

[untold finch]

This one's still being flown today as a cargo hauler in Alaska

I actually got the idea to fly this route by looking at flightradar and seeing this exact reg flying this route

[rustic charm]

Oh that's nice

The DC-3s are from even pre-war times aren't they

So like, 85 something years old by now

And yet some are still in condition to fly

[shadow burrow]

they was built to survive flack

so they last

[rustic charm]

True

[shadow burrow]

how majestic

sim crash on toga

nice

[shadow burrow]

new favourite image

BMI Baby 737-400, 2 BA Cityflyer E145's, and 2 TU154's

[rustic charm]

TU154s are quite nice things, wish someone made nice ones into MSFS

And of course, Russian bias for me, pretty much always

[reef isle]

What airlines is that?

[reef isle]

There is a very good freeware one for Xplane11

[untold finch]

just had a go at doing some scenery editing in costa rica
how on earth does anyone use this tool and not immediately give up

as soon as i entered the scenery editor, the ground shot up by like 60m

if i look at certain angles the terrain disappears

the process of finding buildings that roughly match what you see on google earth is incredibly slow and tedious, you have to click through each one, wait for it to load, see if it works, etc

[shadow burrow]

Balkan Holidays

or BH air now

flying this exact flight rn

[reef isle]

Very cool, thank you

[shadow burrow]

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/33339-tu-154m-balkan-holidays/

[untold finch]

why no cool soviet aircraft for msfs 😦

[reef isle]

I've just learned how to fly A to B with the Tu-154, both with GPS and with VOR/ADFs, but it seems to have some sort of integrated INS, do you have any idea about how that works?

[shadow burrow]

not a clue

[shadow burrow]

all the russians play XP

sadly

[rustic charm]

Well, it's gonna be at least all but one, I don't have XP

But yeah it is a shame not much Soviet/Russian stuff for MSFS. Though, there's not that much stuff done overall. Like, the only 777 there is is the CaptSim one and I heard some stuff against it. And that's a 777, a very popular plane

[shadow burrow]

the audience isn't really there tbh

yeah

it would be cool

[rustic charm]

But at the same time who'd buy it

[shadow burrow]

but its gonna be hard for an american or european dev to make a good recreation of a soviet airliner

then again who will buy it

very few russians that i know have switched to MSFS

[rustic charm]

Oh definitely that too yeah

[shadow burrow]

they are all in XP and FSX still

shame because we do get some really good stuff

TU154 is free, Yak 40 is free, AN-24, IL-12, IL-76

all free and very good

few people get to fly these excellent aircraft tho

[rustic cedar]

ah yess

bridge

[reef isle]

I think you might be reversing cause and effect

Maybe the reason why russian people that are interested in Russian planes are on Xplane and FSX is because there are russian planes there

and not the other way around

I started in MSFS and later got Xplane because there were more planes I was interested into, and I've also dusted off FSX:SE for the same reason

But if there would have been an L-1011, a BAC 1-11, a Trident, a 737 jurassic, 727, Tu-154, VFW-614, and a Dassault mercure in MSFS I would have never switched

[shadow burrow]

fair enough

I've always seen more russian members on XP than anything else but I've only been in the community since xp11 released

[reef isle]

Found a video by Felis if anyone is interested. seems like a really cool way to fly 😄

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeegacbPDyY

[shadow burrow]

the NVU is quite uhhhhh

iffy

It works but not very well

really cool system tho

NAV but built on the cheap

you also can't fly on vatsim with it since its a custom system

maybe in russia?

[reef isle]

You should

I fly with CIVA

from the video it looks like as long as you know distance and bearing it should be fine

[shadow burrow]

either GPS or VOR-VOR for me

[reef isle]

Seems a more fun way to fly RNAV

GPS is a bit boring

[shadow burrow]

you can grab that from the 450 tho

[reef isle]

I was thinking of getting that from charts or navigraph itself

[shadow burrow]

GPS is cool because I can fly it and work at the same time

I don't need to constantly monitor the flight

[reef isle]

I don't like doing that tbh

If I do important stuff I just don't fly 🙂

[shadow burrow]

its rewarding to fly even still

It's just easier for me to use GPS or VOR and leave it

[reef isle]

sure, it's perfectly fine to enjoy two slightly different things

[shadow burrow]

yeah

I'll try NVU for a full flight some day

maybe this weekend

[shadow burrow]

It just clicked in my head how good the ABSU is

insanely good

compared to the early 737's and 727's

[untold finch]

The ghost of N451CE past...

love freeware for little details like this

[dusky leaf]

Pmdg DC6?

[untold finch]

yes indeed

DC-6A on an Alaska cargo run from Fairbanks to Candle 2

[rustic cedar]

cosy af

[dusky leaf]

https://twitter.com/XPlaneOfficial/status/1748401699083989051

X-Plane (@XPlaneOfficial) on X

Developer Preview: Another exciting announcement, SkyCatsLab are delivering an ATR 72-600 to X-Plane 12! 🙌 We have been sent some current modelling renders, and some early in-sim previews of the textures and systems.

Twitter · Jan 19, 2024, 5:47 PM

[shadow burrow]

Oh cool

[shadow burrow]

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/83255-felis-tupolev-tu-154m-american-airlines-fictional/

this actually looks quite good lmao

[reef isle]

does it? 😬

[shadow burrow]

get the correct bare metal texture and yeah

this is good

I will do one of these today

[trim harbor]

interflug

based

[echo gorge]

https://www.justflight.com/in-development/f70-100-professional#entry20240119

[trim harbor]

i want ti so baddd

[echo gorge]

yeah, I really can't wait

[trim harbor]

such a rare and underrated aircraft

[echo gorge]

yeah absolutely, it'll be so fun at City or Santos Dumont

[merry mason]

Can’t wait to get it for Alliance routes, now if only Orbx YBBN wasn’t so shit

[echo gorge]

yeah I know the feeling, want to do AAL routes but DFW is uhh...

[trim harbor]

alliance w

[reef isle]

Once that's out all I'll do for at least a week is going to be flying in and out of tiny airports in the US ❤️

But TBH I think at the moment the thing I want the most is the UNS-1 on the BAe

[echo gorge]

yeah totally

[reef isle]

Why?

[echo gorge]

it's definitely a shame

[reef isle]

Since I've read that post the 8th of September I've decided to hold off flying the BAe with the CJ4 FMC because "surely the UNS-1 isn't too far away"

I wish I never made that decision Hahaha

[echo gorge]

oof

[untold finch]

Not my screenshots, but some images from our squadron's first big mission of the year tonight

[echo gorge]

syria?

[untold finch]

Sinai tonight. We orbited the pyramids quite a lot

[echo gorge]

how is it? I've not picked it up

[untold finch]

It's not bad! Not quite at the level that Syria is yet, but it's a good start. Some annoying graphical glitches here and there.

The Israeli part of the map feels a bit low-effort so far too

[echo gorge]

it'd be fun for fishbed v phantom duels, but I'm honestly not too interested in another desert map and current events make playing stuff involving Israel a bit uncomfortable to me

[trim harbor]

We really need less desert stuff

Afghanistan hopefully will be great

[untold finch]

okay this was pretty good

that's about 3.3 millimeters per second

[full plank]

felt like actually booting up the sim after a short hiatus

[untold finch]

Love seeing the 747

[full plank]

I think my next drinking game should be ''take a shot for every time a controller gets the callsign wrong''

[full plank]

aside from the PMDG P3D fleet not supporting 8.33 khz spacing, it is a joy to fly

[shadow burrow]

I've had that a lot recently flying the 154

No one knows LAZ, BGH, IFL

[full plank]

GSS, FCA, AHI are ones for me

I do help them by putting the callsign in the remarks, but alas

[shadow burrow]

most don't read them

[full plank]

me having to politely remind them because I said Jet Lift & they replied Cargo Bird

[shadow burrow]

I might have just crashed my sim

WOOOO

and we are back

good

[rustic charm]

I was wondering, I’m now seeing quite a bit of stutter every time I am landing/shortly after takeoff (the rest of the time the game runs smoothly just fine). Could it be cause my install is on an external hard drive and at those points it can’t keep up?

[shadow burrow]

maybe

depends what sim and the way it loads

[rustic charm]

Shit I literally forgot to include the name of the game in the message

Don’t mind me having my dumb moments

It’s MSFS

[shadow burrow]

if its XP the scenery buildings load whenever the tile is loaded but the scenery objects (clutter, vehicles, aircraft) load about 1km out

I think MSFS has a similar thing maybe?

[rustic charm]

Could be, I’m not sure

I’m just thinking whether I should transfer the game onto a new SSD I got or to not bother. I guess I will

Also another question about MSFS, is there any way to see how you did on one of the previous flights?

[echo gorge]

what do you mean by how you did? there's flight loggers like volanta (and littlenavmap also tracks flights as well as being a handy flight planning tool)

[rustic charm]

I mean like any statistics about flights

I guess I'll get one of these external apps to see

[echo gorge]

both are free

[shadow burrow]

volanta good

[shadow burrow]

they do this

[echo gorge]

MSFS has a logbook thing by default, but iirc it's pretty basic

[rustic charm]

Aight, thanks

[echo gorge]

also shows the flight path itself

Volanta's great for the flight tracking, I'd also recommend downloading littlenavmap for flightplanning though even if you don't care about its logbook, littlenavmap's great

https://albar965.github.io/

[rustic charm]

Thank you, I will

Also seeing the exact flight path will might be nice

Also asking, with MSFS is there a way to move the whole install, or will I really have to delete it and redownload again

[echo gorge]

yeah it's cool, there's also a 3d visualization which is pretty cool

don't actually know, sorry

[rustic charm]

Okay, will have to see myself then lol

[shadow burrow]

depends if you have it on steam

[rustic charm]

I do

[shadow burrow]

if you do it should be pretty simple

[rustic charm]

Thing is, Steam doesn't actually recognise the game

[shadow burrow]

click on the cog icon then do this

[rustic charm]

It looks just at the 'launcher'

[shadow burrow]

should give you a prompt

hmmmm

idk then

this should work but idk

[rustic charm]

Yeah I'm already moving it, will see if maybe it moves everything

Oh welp, seems I know the answer now:

It did move just the 'launcher'

But it still deleted all the rest of the content

I guess I'm ready for another overnight download

[untold finch]

and it often gets stuff completely wrong
often fails to register takeoff but counts the landing

currently working out a way to circumnavigate the globe in the Comanche

the lack of anti-ice might make this a bit tricky

also some of the legs are going to be 6-7 hours long 😬

[echo gorge]

that'll be quite a trip, sounds fun though

[untold finch]

looking forward to having to do spark plug cleaning in the aleutian islands 😆

[rustic charm]

‘Murican

[fathom fable]

‘MURICA FUK YE 🇺🇸

[rustic charm]

Gotta love standard MSFS AI

Was landing at San Diego in the PMDG 737, had a very smooth landing. But I had to land late cause a plane just rolled onto the runway in front of me, so couldn't stop in time

That was probably my smoothest landing yet, and AI still ruined it

[untold finch]

Are you using FSLTL traffic?

I really like it because you can quickly wipe it all out if needed

[rustic charm]

Oh and also returning to the questions I asked a bit ago, it was indeed the HDD causing stutter. Now on a new SSD, it's not nearly as bad, though still slightly noticeable

[rustic charm]

Haven't reinstalled it yet, was just default AI

Also this made me start reinstalling it right now lol

Also gotta reinstall the liveries I had too

[rustic charm]

Quick question for MSFS: are the KSAN addons on the marketplace good or should I better wait until I can buy some external one not from the marketplace?

[echo gorge]

I assume the two options are latinvfr and bmworld/amsim? they're the two options available outside the marketplace as well, that said neither is particularly good, BMworld looks better but is actually less accurate

[untold finch]

Yeah, BMWorld/AMSim is very hit and miss.

Some of their stuff is great, some not so much

I only have LatinVFR's Nellis AFB and that's reasonably good but if their airliners are anything to go by, avoid

[rustic charm]

One second and I'll check which ones are there

I remember one was certainly LVFR yeah

Don't remember the other one

What are generally good developers to get airports from?

Also sorry for asking so many questions, I’m still relatively new lol

[rustic charm]

Yeah also I just looked, you’re completely right there

I did think BMWorld one looked better but I have no idea about accuracy

[untold finch]

S tier: Flightbeam, FlyTampa, Verticalsim, Northern Sky Studios
A tier: Orbx, Inibuilds, DominicDesignTeam, Drzewiecki Design, FSimStudios, WF Scenery Studio, Pyreegue Dev Co, FSDreamTeam, Xwind
B tier: Digital Design, Aerosoft, MK Studios
C tier: BMWorld/AMSim
F tier: Double T

in my opinion, anyway

[rustic charm]

Thanks!

[echo gorge]

pretty much, just with the caveat that you'd better have three 4090s to make drzewiecki's more recent stuff work

[untold finch]

or any of Inibuilds' larger products yeah

I also have PacSim's Incheon which was quite expensive and is absolutely giant

That's pretty good though also harder on the FPS

[rustic charm]

I'm thinking FlyTampa's KBOS tbh, it does look amazing

[echo gorge]

it's lovely

[rustic charm]

And doesn’t look too difficult to approach

[untold finch]

I've flown out of it a few times now, lovely airport

[untold finch]

one of those "everything that can go wrong has gone wrong" flights

[echo gorge]

oof

[rustic charm]

So, everything wrong?

[untold finch]

• left the EFB weights in KG when the OFP was in LBS so it put the wrong weights in, only noticed after engine start, so couldn't fix it
• turns out the FUEL PRED page always reads KG so it kept messing up my calculated GW
• I turned on NAV and PROFILE modes after taking off and then forgot to actually switch on the AP, so it nose-dived and I had to hand-fly in a big climbing spiral back to the first waypoint
• while trying to re-init my weights I accidentally wiped my flight plan details so it lost the SID, and ended up following runway heading for about 10 miles
• it then got confused about the waypoint to use so I had to direct-to it, but it couldn't turn tightly enough so I had to then direct-to the next logical waypoint
• while trying to get a cockpit shot during cruise I ended up hitting WASD and numpad 2/4/6/8 to try and move the camera around, instead of the correct arrow keys, and did something to the autopilot causing me to gain 2k feet and nearly stall
• couldn't seem to figure out what makes manual AT speed control work so it kept trying to stay at cruise speed while i was lowering my gear

honestly a right pain of a flight, but made it to KSYR anyway

ah, for the last one, it's a bug with the latest version of the A300 - the IAS gauge always remains at ---

[trim harbor]

https://i.redd.it/o027m4124fec1.png

[untold finch]

Systems modelling is in full swing = this thing is at least another 6 months out if not longer

[echo gorge]

still, that's really great to hear

[reef isle]

I was free today, and I just bought a new plane, so i decided to fly a small rotation with it EGLL-EGCC-EHAM-EGLL 😄

I only did this at my PC from the comfort of my home, and I'd still be one leg short from a real rotation and I already feel so tired ahahahah

[rustic cedar]

do love the old landor livery

[untold finch]

EGLL -> EIDW. Decent crab angle in the 50 degree offset 22KT/G29KT crosswinds. FBW A32NX is so good.

[azure dome]

LAX-ATL

[trim harbor]

Since reinstalling xp12 I‘ve had majors issues

Performance has been at an all time low

Weird sim

[dusky leaf]

https://www.justflight.com/product/duchess-model-76-xplane-12

[echo gorge]

Nice

[trim harbor]

https://fxtwitter.com/eagledynamics/status/1750896625692672382

a good change if u ask me

[echo gorge]

yeah, that's nice to see

[dusky leaf]

Hill start 😆

[untold finch]

https://youtu.be/iSIol57vcEI?si=9jcpGI2Xm-ybSMiP

[trim harbor]

hyped

[trim harbor]

after an hour of doing md80 stuff on the ground

took off

forgot u cant toga it

[echo gorge]

you can, the button's on the side of the throttle (or maybe the back)

[trim harbor]

does that prevent from turning engines off?

[echo gorge]

uh? not sure what you mean

[trim harbor]

i took off right

toga of course

got to like 200-300ft

plane just turned off

well like engines spooled down so

[echo gorge]

oh, are you still in sim? if so check if the engine start switches are still on, that'll fuck you like that

[trim harbor]

oh i got out

do they have to be?

[echo gorge]

you know the two switches with guards to the right of the rotary switch, if you leave either of those on after start it'll kill your engines once you get going

[trim harbor]

oh

that might've been it

idk

owell i'll try again later

now that i kinda got the hang of it

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/281875-27jan24-we-have-been-busy-and-travelling-but-we-are-hard-at-work

ohman

https://imgur.com/a/oxZyNvr

[echo gorge]

it's really easy to forget, they're spring loaded irl and in sim (assuming you're in MSFS) but if you use the mousewheel they'll just stay on (which is handy because it lets you then click the fuel cutoffs) but then you forget to turn them off

[echo gorge]

yeah, it looks really nice

[lethal jasper]

TSW 5 might be a thing before A220 gets teased again 😮‍💨

[trim harbor]

little 6 hour hop

[trim harbor]

friends over the atlantic

rare

[trim harbor]

descending

[agile oak]

First run on the X-Plane 12 Demo

[dusky leaf]

Ketchikan to Wrangell Laminar Baron

[dusky leaf]

Wrangell to CZST Stewart

[dusky leaf]

Last one for today CZST to CYXT Terrace

[echo gorge]

https://forum.inibuilds.com/topic/21574-statement-from-synaptic-simulations-synaptic-a22x-project-future/ huh, not sure what to think

[untold finch]

Inibuilds and screwing over flybywire, name a more iconic duo

[tired pond]

tbh I don't think you'll have ever seen it if it stayed as is

Trying to develop something alongside full time jobs will never go well

[trim harbor]

ye i get them as well

[reef isle]

I'm happy

[mortal furnace]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS2PaA7O3pU&t=4s

[untold finch]

rolling in to perform an air assault

[dusky leaf]

Test flight in the JF (made by Thranda) Duchess, lovely aircraft, another fine job by Thranda

[trim harbor]

Thranda is good

Love them

[untold finch]

From the other night, but in 2D with all the graphics turned up

And some from the weekend

[trim harbor]

gazelle baseddd

[rustic cedar]

so training is going well
https://streamable.com/1kkt29

pls ignore music

[dusky leaf]

Anyone tempted by the Bellanca aircruiser, dont. It lacks features. The sound is ridiculous. And it's aerodynamically unstable.

[mortal furnace]

@rustic cedar classic dcs

[ocean trellis]

shouldve been playing the japanese imperial march

[reef isle]

First divert on VATSIM. WPG CTR was awesome and accomodated everything without a problem.

[echo gorge]

weather below minimums?

[reef isle]

Yep, tried two times, both times got to about 400ft, and could see the runway for about 10/15 seconds before descending into more soup until minimums 😦

[echo gorge]

oof

[trim harbor]

WINNIPEG

MASSIve w

[dusky leaf]

Dont suppose the .org will be too happy

[untold finch]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

If the .org is like I've heard about, then this is a welcome change

[shadow burrow]

.org is fine

Well

It’s not great

But it works

[rustic charm]

Beautiful

[reef isle]

Thanks

[rustic cedar]

just another day being a fighter pilot

[ocean trellis]

abit shaky no ?

[rustic cedar]

no?

[lethal jasper]

He has blessed us with War Thunder meme in DCS 🤣

[dusky leaf]

Beavertime

[dusky leaf]

Getting on to these docks is easy, getting off however... give me a push

[reef isle]

@echo gorge sorry for the ping, is there a Presidential Airways livery for the MSFS' BAe146?

Haven't found one on fs.to, but navigating that site is a nightmare, so I wouldn't be surprised if I missed it

[echo gorge]

technically yes but actually no

the continental express livery is actually a presidential bird

but it's not in the presidential airways livery

[reef isle]

Is that one of the included liveries?

[echo gorge]

yep

[reef isle]

But I suppose it's not realistic for it to wear that livery while flying for Presidential Airlines I guess, although some weird stuff happened in those years

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/files/file/80745-presidential-airways-n403xv-abraham-lincoln-justflight-bae-146-200/

I'll see if you can do something akin to the Maddog and use this livery in MSFS

[echo gorge]

yeah I think it's too late, but idk

would be cool

[reef isle]

Looks like they're the same yay!

hopefully that's true for other textures as well

[reef isle]

@echo gorge converted it in MSFS, trying now to see if that worked

[echo gorge]

nice

[reef isle]

ugh sorry forgot to remove some files, standby, will send a new one soon

[reef isle]

new one

[echo gorge]

thanks

[reef isle]

No problem I'll try to contact the original creator of the xplane livery and ask if they want that on fs.to 🙂

[echo gorge]

really looking forward to the kiowa

[untold finch]

day 1 buy for me

the devs are really nice folks as well

[echo gorge]

I know the gazelle has had a turbulant history with the community, but I've always enjoyed it (wish the cockpit textures were better but oh well)

[untold finch]

They're doing some detail enhancements in the next update, so it'll hopefully look a bit better

I think it's held up better than some of the old DCS modules like the Fw 190 D-9 and the UH-1H have

[echo gorge]

yeah definitely

[trim harbor]

pls gib

do we know a price yet

[echo gorge]

don't think so

[untold finch]

yeah, we do, one sec

Q: What price tag is it going to have?
A: 69,99 USD

[trim harbor]

uuuu

$70

[untold finch]

It's not launching in early access you see, so no EA discount

[trim harbor]

ngl

good that it isnt ea

cuz im sick of ea modules

[untold finch]

same, will be nice to have something feature complete with bonuses coming later on top of that

[shadow burrow]

doing some beta testing for shared flight

this is actually working quite well

[trim harbor]

The thing thats never gonna be out

I remember them saying that a release is gonna be last year

If it actually drops i‘m suprised

[mortal furnace]

ED control what goes out and what does not and when it does.

You wont see that that chopper for months yet

[trim harbor]

Talking about sharedflight haha

[shadow burrow]

Nah it’s very stable now, UI is still a bit buggy but it’s clear and understandable

There is some annoying problems still, ie: you can’t pop out the FMS without bugging the install, there is also a problem with the Align mode for the IRS, you need to click it on both clients to get it to align properly

Other than that it’s basic things like windows, blinds, some small weather bugs, simcoders headshake doesn’t really work well with it either for some reason

It’s pretty good

[reef isle]

somehow mostly survived the CTL

[trim harbor]

i'll be looking forward to maybe the only hope of ever doing shared cockpit with someone

minus the cl650

which works flawlessly

i was certain it was dead

cant lie

[rustic cedar]

cruisin

[crisp adder]

How is the DA-42?

[untold finch]

I like it. It's not got a huge amount of features, but it does have engine damage simulation and state saving. No EFB or fancy cockpit config stuff though.
They've really just focused on getting the basics right; it's sufficiently weighty, it sounds incredibly good, and it looks very pretty. Apparently the performance is really quite accurate as well.

[crisp adder]

That sounds promising. Noticed any bugs? How does it feel flying? From what I was able to gather the flight model has received quite a lot of praise.

[untold finch]

Didn't spot any bugs so far, though there are a few reported on the forum.
It feels heavier than I expected it to, though then again, so many MSFS aircraft are overly twitchy (cough FSR500 cough) so maybe this is just normal.

[crisp adder]

Yeah, they also have the issue of being a bit floaty near the ground. 😄

The DA42 looks really interesting. If I flew in MSFS lately it was always airliners but a smaller dual-prop GA capable plane might be tempting, especially if it´s well done. I´ve never bought stuff from OrbX, though and having to download another client is a bit annoying, tbh.

[untold finch]

I buy a fair bit from OrbX, the launcher is alright though takes much longer to load than Contrail or Inibuilds.

The prices are usually a smidge higher due to the fact that it's converting from AUD.

[merry mason]

anyone know if there's a C5 for any modern flight sim that's actually good?

[untold finch]

Don't believe so

[echo gorge]

That the new diamond?

[crisp adder]

Yes. Flies very well, looks and sounds really good, too. Nice "little" dual prop for those relaxed sightseeing flights.

[untold finch]

Found an issue with it - the yaw damper goes mad sometimes. Easy to just switch it off though.

absolute joy to fly

[untold finch]

@echo gorge Did I remember rightly that you grabbed Air Hauler 2 in the BF sales last year? Have you found it particularly worthwhile since?

[echo gorge]

I did, it's nice but I've honestly not used it as much as I might have hoped

it's quite decent though

[untold finch]

Can you fly for IRL companies with it?

Or is that only in A Pilot's Life 2

I kinda want an Everts Air Cargo career

[echo gorge]

not really, there's some virtual airlines set up that use it I think, but for that I think it's probably better off joining a virtual airline

[untold finch]

Fair, thanks

[mild zenith]

Which equipment do you guys use. I need some ideas

[trim harbor]

the interface

[untold finch]

It looks clunky, but honestly looks better than Neofly v4. Neofly is just a mess of cluttered information all over the screen.

Plus Neofly is super picky about the livery you use and so on.

[untold finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDDPuaLgAnM

[tired pond]

Main thing I'm glad about is the home cockpit compatiability

Means I'll fly it a ton

[untold finch]

Same, might bother setting up some more keybinds now.

But also, the fact that the fuselage now blocks icing... this is crazy levels of detail.

[rustic charm]

Damn ini A300-600 is on the market already

I knew the thing released but didn't expect it to be on the official marketplace so quick

I guess I'm used to TS, where it's a year between a 3rd party release and its possible official release

[untold finch]

Half the issues I found with the COWS DA42 are already fixed as of today's update 😄

[tired pond]

The whole discourse about the Dune expansion is hilarious

[untold finch]

Oh?

Is it worse than when they added the Halo Pelican?

[rustic charm]

I really don’t understand the point of fictional stuff in simulators. Well, this level of fictional. Fictional stuff that’s more or less realistic (though it more applies to train simulators) is fine, but like, this…

[untold finch]

Makes money for the sim developer from the tie-in, allows something fun and different to be flown in interesting scenery, etc.

I mean Asobo don't force you to install it either, so I don't really see any issue with it other than that you might object to the dev time spent on it I guess?

I like doing stuff by the book and flying realistically, but I'll definitely take the Ornithopter out for a spin or two, looks like a blast to fly in VR.

[tired pond]

The main objections I see is "Why couldn't they have instead worked on the in game physics and other core stuff" but they forget to realise that it's unlikely the core programming team worked on this at all, would mainly have been 3d artists

[untold finch]

Exactly.

Plus, it also falls into the "9 women should be able to produce a baby in 1 month" fallacy

[untold finch]

EFA livery pack is so good

[rustic charm]

Yeah that’s true. I have no issue with it, but just don’t see a point in such stuff

There’s probably people who genuinely enjoy it, so it’s still content worth making then

[untold finch]

I am genuinely hyped to fly it tonight

I expect it to be insanely nimble