Delete me

[dreamy lion]

I think, game is changing and you always need to try the changes

you can't learn karate by the book without any practise

Also, a lot of people on this Discord are debating to debate (without even playing the game)

The most dangerous part is some Councils didn't play for years

I nominate @maiden oasis @lean trout @boreal gyro @nocturne cape @torpid tendon @torn mortar for councils - even tho Prox4 is inactive atm but he takes the job seriously

so if he accept he will do all in his forces, no doubt

But I think we need to understand what exactly councils are able to change?

Are they able to change Pilots stats?

Items stats?

I can help to make it more interesting

If my help is needed

I want to have a practical result

@brittle bane @hoary drum @dry basin for councils too

those 3 last names are inactive but I think they can do the job seriously

if they actually accept

[ember nest]

Not entirely correct, but still a point. I'm waiting for the console version to come back, but still I could watch a match of Atyla vs Hawk, that took about 90 minutes, and it Isn't impossible to understand the dinamics and new units.
Do you think I can't vote for anything?

[pulsar lynx]

Who invited him.😭😭😭

[round saffron]

Could you name them? I am curious if we have any.

[round saffron]

You first have to prove karate is constantly changing. Surprisingly, it does not (the karate). The game also don't change that much. What is your timespan for inactivity?

[round saffron]

So regarding prox4 does it boil down to people you like and not the inactivity status? 🤣

[round saffron]

Honestly, most of your suggestions lack details. You likely cannot 🤷‍♂️

Buff light units, remove 3 socket units etc. All without going too much into any details.

[round saffron]

I didn't see @brittle bane for a long time in this discord, neither i have seen him participating in discussions. So, again, it goes against your activity rule.

[round saffron]

So it does boil down to people you like/dislike. Basically nominating people who you believe will change the game how personally you like.

[dreamy lion]

their names are forgoten

[round saffron]

I don't know any council who didn't play for years. So please specify explicitly.

[dreamy lion]

1-2 games don't count

imo, all councils need to be removed

because no results

[round saffron]

Names

[round saffron]

You literally nominate @torn mortar and then suggest to remove all councils. You say councils are inactive, yet nominate inactive players yourself. You literally contradict your own statements

[dreamy lion]

Who is in councils except you and Minx?

remove all

add new

[round saffron]

Said player who trolled other player with light units, while that player used them as well.

[round saffron]

@nocturne cape

And i think someone else

[round saffron]

Because you personally don't like them?

Remove all councils and yet you use the efforts. The hog, the light units

[torn mortar]

we can't make balance without updates, and we're not getting updates. there's already a que of changes with discussion off more changes but it's slowed

[dreamy lion]

?

read the title again @round saffron

you are in love of debates over nothing as I can see

[dreamy lion]

So why those changes aren't open for everyone here?

Are you able to change Pilots stats and items too?

[brittle bane]

fala ai irmao

novo no jogo ou eh jogador antigo retornando?

[ember nest]

@brittle bane e aí brother... joguei 360 e também bastante no ONE... As vezes ligo o Notebook, mas não roda tão bem

[brittle bane]

ahh massa.
joguei no PS4 e ha um tempo atras aqui no PC, antes do ultimo update.

precisando de algo so dar o toque aqui, abraço

[brittle bane]

yea im pretty busy right now and havent even see what the new changes are, i wouldnt help much lol

but im glad you guys are trying to make the game better

[ember nest]

@brittle bane blz mano... Eu acompanho mais na esperança q os gringos lancem novamente o jogo pra console... provavelmente crossplay ajudaria muito

[round saffron]

Read what i wrote in this thread again

[dreamy lion]

you are a debater

[round saffron]

So did you read what i wrote then?

[round saffron]

Aren't you?

[dreamy lion]

lol

remove Airmech from this discussion

and you will fit well as well ahah

so much water and zero reason

[round saffron]

This is another suggestion from you that has no specifics. No names, no proofs, suggesting inactive players to become councils

[round saffron]

Indeed you have

[dreamy lion]

you are council and you don't know council names

[round saffron]

Zero arguments and a lot of broad statements

[dreamy lion]

even you

[round saffron]

I do

[dreamy lion]

based on your words you don't

[round saffron]

How so?

[dreamy lion]

check what you wrote

;)

[round saffron]

Indeed check what i wrote

[round saffron]

Can't say who exactly when they barely write anything, yo

[dreamy lion]

that's it

you just proved my point

[round saffron]

You can't name them either

[dreamy lion]

I'm not in charge

[round saffron]

You suggestion has to be based on something

[dreamy lion]

and aren't even supposed to give you numbers

I'm a player O)>

[round saffron]

The "just fix it for me" thingy does not work

[dreamy lion]

what do you mean for me?

[round saffron]

I mean you write broad threads without any details

For all the good against all the bad

[dreamy lion]

example

[round saffron]

Light units thread

[dreamy lion]

actually it's obvious light units were changed because of the follow command

[round saffron]

The "go fix it for me" thingy

[dreamy lion]

they were changed because of the follow command : )

this is the only one reason

go and try those light units InsaneFire has mentioned

council

and stop debating

[round saffron]

And you did specify that in the first post?

[dreamy lion]

of course

even in title

[round saffron]

Very expressive. While others do proper post body, your is "go fix it for me" thingy

[dreamy lion]

you are making no sense @round saffron

[round saffron]

You are making no sense. I constantly try to get specifics and you avoid it like hot potato

[dreamy lion]

I tell you about the problem

go and test it yourself

and look for the solutions yourself

I can't do your job for you

[round saffron]

For all the good against all the bad, yes

[dreamy lion]

you are good when it's about debating and this is the problem

because there is actually a live version of the game you can test

[round saffron]

Aren't you doing exactly the same?

[dreamy lion]

no O)> I'm based on live version

[round saffron]

So basically what i said? Hey look, game is bad, go fix it. What to change? Idk you do it

[dreamy lion]

I said roll back changes to light units

InsaneFire knows where exactly

he even replied

and mentioned units

[round saffron]

What changes? What was changed?

[dreamy lion]

but you are just debating lol

check patchnotes

wake up, neo

[round saffron]

He does. You basically ask to go and figure it yourself. Game is bad, go fix it.

[dreamy lion]

?

[round saffron]

What stopped you from doing the same? Other player posted exact patchnotes and did a lot of work

[dreamy lion]

cos I don't have a time for that

not me

[round saffron]

So as i said, go fix the game, no specifics

[dreamy lion]

I don't know all specifics

also not everything is mentioned in patchnotes

I'm just trying to help

[round saffron]

Somehow, the other player dig into patchnotes. You knew they exist. That player also make suggestions with specifics and "debate" using actual numbers and stuff. What is stopping you from doing the same?

[dreamy lion]

who cares?

If you weren't inactive you would understand me, anyway

there is a wall between us

I played basically for 2 weeks

you can do the same

just to get how things are right now

@round saffron Do you know that bucky is OP?

you basically able to spam buckies and win almost every game

[round saffron]

I do know that bucky is used a lot more now

[round saffron]

From the people who ask to remove aegis btw

[dreamy lion]

aegis denies helix

also it is not a good counter vs bucky

unless map is small

[round saffron]

This is hightly offtopic to this thread tho

[dreamy lion]

yeah but you dont understand how things work

[maiden oasis]

aegis is horrible vs bucky btw

[midnight dust]

Hi there. I did Council stuff. You need to understand some things:

1. Council does not control game development. It mostly acts as a filter to flag community consensus on things that need immediate change, so developers don't have to spend their time reading every forum post.
2. Even with widespread community consensus, Council generally cannot implement mechanical changes. You will be limited to making small, incremental, numerical changes only.
3. Once these specific, numerical changes are agreed to, it may be several months before they get added to the game, because you have to wait for a patch. There are multiple pending changes right now to multiple items, but we're waiting on a patch to drop.
4. What is "balanced" for PvP != what is fun. Often, you get better suggestions from people who aren't "good at the game". A common mantra is that all developers eventually balance the fun out of PvP.
5. Pilots, Items, and especially Parts are very big projects. There is also no agreement on how large an effect each should have on gameplay i.e. does pilot choice give you a very small interesting buff or should it wildly affect how you play? Bearing in mind that any large percentages will immediately stack and break each other with combos you didn't expect.
6. Changing the roster of Council in no way speeds up game development.
7. Once again, you do not need to be Council to get changes made. If any post here gets tons of upvotes and is relatively uncontroversial, great! It's in... eventually... probably...

8. No matter how much support you have, removing whole items/units/mechs/mechanics from the game entirely isn't going to happen. Besides that it's not your game, this would also involve fundamental changes to the game code and the UI, which makes it a lot of work, just to undo work already done, for a small but vocal group of hardcore players.

So I get you have beef with fedcomp, but he is not the obstacle preventing your wide sweeping change suggestions from getting put in. It just doesn't work the way you want it to.

Also fair to mention to anybody reading this: you do not represent the majority of people who play this game. The "casual" player who never touches PvP once is the lifeblood of an F2P franchise. Keep that person in mind when you want to mess with stuff. The more fun they have, the bigger game it becomes. Not to say we have to dumb everything down, but mechanics that are needlessly complicated, or poorly communicated, need to be changed.

The biggest mechanical changes Council was ever involved in were probably:

1. Adding inherent range-based inaccuracy to artillery-type units, and removing the arty-jamming effect from radar units
2. Adding missile spread to Bucky in a horizontal-only plane
3. something something Tech Pods
   And those all took literal YEARS of discussion and iteration before full implementation

[midnight dust]

and last point before i go to bed: Carbon Games has no full time developers anymore. The whole team has moved on. All work is one guy's unpaid passion project that he does in his free time, with the very occasional help of one other guy. Keeping it playable is going to trump your balance woes every day of the week for the foreseeable future

[maiden oasis]

understood

[dreamy lion]

I don't have any beefs with fedcomp )

[dreamy lion]

*** 1) Council does not control game development. It mostly acts as a filter to flag community consensus on things that need immediate change, so developers don't have to spend their time reading every forum post.

Exactly why councils must be made out of active players

but I agree it's quite pointless to discuss and even to be a council

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