Destiny Intertwined

[latent snow]

Must be hard given they’re quadruped

[ashen horizon]

I do remember clothing was worn on the dragons in the game past cutscenes so maybe this is the Chroniclers sister or cousin 🤔

[west shoal]

Yeah they had clothing as shown in the TEN storybook flashbacks

And this is the full image, although a little blurry cause of the game quality

[ashen horizon]

Looks like the 4 main elements and the Chronicler there, also their clothing is different on each one

Cant see earths clothing though -<-"

[ashen horizon]

Ohh now I see it

[raven furnace]

Ceremonial maybe? To signify their status

[ashen horizon]

Perhaps

Makes sense when you see the Chronicler with a scroll and quil back there

Maybe thier doing thier vows to be a guardian or something

Interestingly I do not see a fire guardian in this picture 🤔

[west shoal]

There are 4 dragons, Malefor and the Chronicler

[raven furnace]

From left to right I think it's
Chronicler
Earth
Electric
Ice
Fire

[ashen horizon]

I see it now yeah I thought the dragon on the far right was earth not fire 😅

[shadow pine]

I had another thought

Jordhim and Eurune, I have a theory that they could along with The Chronicler be related. Still not entirely sure on it yet though.

We know that The Chronicler originally was an Earth Dragon too.

We know The Chronicler was around during Malefor's reign as well as during the construction of Warfang.

https://spyro.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chronicler

Better image here of the flashback

[sick swallow]

To be fair, this image may not necessarily represent The Chronicler himself, as per this quote:

In the same flashback image and the image of Warfang being rebuilt in the epilogue, the Dawn of the Dragon character model of the Chronicler was used for the background dragons but with different color palletes. This was likely done to save time and resources for the game.

[latent snow]

I was about to say

This guy in the background looks like him

[ashen horizon]

But pink

[shadow pine]

Oh I didn't know about that

I thought that was intentional.

Especially considering it looks like the Chronicler but without a beard and not white/light blue.

[vague forge]

The devs reused models a lot in dotd

[ashen horizon]

Recycling assets and models is a normal thing to do in games, back then it was. I thought the Chronicler was a wind dragon cause of his colour and patterns and fluffy hair but Im not sure.

[vague forge]

It is common ye, but the devs were so crunched they even just reused ignitus' model for all the guardians with minor changes. It was pretty rough. There was so much more variation in the characters in Kromes games.I remember somewhere the modeller had posted how crazy it was somewhere.

[west shoal]

When Krome actually showed different designs for background character dragons in a short time and low budget than EL

[west shoal]

Oh here's the link you were talking about from the DOTD character modeller, @vague forge

this was my first job in the industry. I was working on several characters at the same time , switching from one to another, so i don't really know the time i spent for each... probably 3 weeks or something...
https://polycount.com/discussion/57321/some-of-my-first-works

[vague forge]

Yeah! That was it

No time at allll dang

[ashen horizon]

This reminds me of my uni experience only 3 weeks to work on a model, no time at all.

Its amazing how they pulled it off but the Guardian designs look so chunky compared to ANB and ETN models

[west shoal]

New page!

https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-139-975982831

Hayze’s chain appeared…! Does that mean it was Eurene who collared him with her magic by urging of the Council?

[sick swallow]

Yes, that would seem to be the case

[west shoal]

And Jordhin was Eurene’s apprentice… he did mention he studied under a master

[surreal sparrow]

[hot pagoda]

Those eyes. XD

[raven furnace]

senpai

[west shoal]

Public reveal of Zseurael’s profile!
https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Zseurael-976067024

And character profile of Eurene revealed!
https://www.destinyintertwined.com/characters/eurune

Eurune is a distant descendant of the current Chronicler, who was alive at the Unification

So the Chronicler we know is already dead and recording the events surrounding DI

Unification is when Warfang was built. So Jack is using DOTD’s take with what we see is the soon to be Chronicler being alive and around when the dragon city was first built

[sick swallow]

Ah, I see

[ashen horizon]

Oooo interesting

So maybe his daughter 🤔

[west shoal]

Unification happened in Year 0 in the First Millenium.
During the comic events, it’s now the year 3016, the fourth millennium

https://www.destinyintertwined.com/copy-of-realm
https://www.destinyintertwined.com/realm

[ashen horizon]

Nevermind then ._. I guess great great great granddaughter

[shadow pine]

Yep and so we finally have official confirmation on the whereabouts of The Chronicler and his relation to Eurune.

Even though in the normal TLOS canon it's implied the Chronicler was around during Malefor's childhood, I think we can make an exception in this case.

Also holy crap another chapter so soon!

Always trust Jack to come through for his fans. 😄

I have a strong feeling that Eurune is going to be a fan favourite very quickly.

[west shoal]

Yeah DI is Jack’s take on TLOS lore surrounding Malefor’s backstory. May not make sense but it’s something he carefully put together in his own way that makes sense to him ^^

[shadow pine]

I really don't mind honestly.

The Lore around TLOS is vast but very barren at the same time.

There is so much wiggle room to take a different interpretation on things.

And so far he hasn't done anything that I would consider canon-breaking at all.

[sick swallow]

It compares rather favourably to a large skeleton with very little muscle or tissue; there’s so much to attach to and build off of, but very little detail that actually is

[shadow pine]

Precisely.

At the very least I haven't seen any of the dragons flying around with a jetpack equipped yet.

Props if any of you got that reference.

[sick swallow]

Nope, that one is lost on me unfortunately

[shadow pine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9lbrq3BLQU

[sick swallow]

Huh… well alright then 🤔

[hot pagoda]

Made by the same people that did BG3 by the way.

[sick swallow]

Or Div OS: 2 - the only game of theirs I’ve played yet far

Yes, I recognized Larian’s name, but alas we are getting off topic now aren’t we

Here, have a smol lad

[surreal sparrow]

Yes, splendid.

[ashen horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/pick-up-cat-anime-brave-police-j-decker-gif-18261919

[limpid wolf]

It almost looks like Aether drew that.

[winter maple]

Looks edible

[surreal sparrow]

[sick swallow]

I would not recommend trying that…

Reason #1:

[winter maple]

Oh i see he wants some too

[surreal sparrow]

leh

[sick swallow]

not sure if you need it, but here's Reason #2:

I totally didn't spend the last 15 minutes editing this image

[limpid wolf]

Hayze himself alone would give you a hell of a ride, remember what he did to both Vitreus and Malefor?

But Malefor and especially Lynerius would just reduce you to ash.

[coarse coral]

This is actually every main videogame company rn besides a few outliers

[hot pagoda]

Kind of exactly what I said so ye.

[west shoal]

New page!
https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-140-976324340

[surreal sparrow]

hmmm

[west shoal]

Look how giddy Malefor is X3
His awakened Fire power is beyond Discovered status

[raven furnace]

I feel like for purple dergs magic comes a lot more easily to them than a standard derg.

[limpid wolf]

Well yeah, they're the legendary purple dragons, they are special among dragon kind for a good reason.

[raven furnace]

Wonder if it's because they can use Aether since it is the purest form of magic

[west shoal]

Fire reference
https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Element-Mastery-Chart-925735387

[thick siren]

From the shape it looks like "Adept" level?

[stark haven]

How well his surroundings ability works will tell us how strong he is. In before he accidentally unleashes a fury.

[ashen horizon]

👀

That fire be pretty

[sick swallow]

I assume you're referring to Spyro and Cynder. They aren't in this story because it takes place in the distant past, long before they were hatched. It's still a pretty good story, though; I recommend trying to read it anyway, if you can get past the disappointment of Spyro not being in it 😄

[shadow pine]

God damn another page already!

Jack be treating us this week.

Great to finally get a page that shows Malefor training.

I really like the training area they are using. You can see just how massive it is as well.

Also this is the first page where Terrenus has actually spoken.

[west shoal]

The dojo where they’re training in is in the Great Hall where the Summit is at the top. Eurune used her magic to lift the stairway up

[coarse coral]

So im pretty late on arrival. Whats got everyone captivated?

[sick swallow]

I'm not sure I understand your question? 😅

I was simply explaining that Spyro and Cynder aren't involved in DI

[stark haven]

Best Shadow dragon.

[west shoal]

Personally, I like the realistic and dark tone of DI, I got the feeling it makes it set apart from all the other TLOS fancomics I've read so far over the years.

There is some form of realistic tones, like prejudice in a few other TLOS fan comics, but DI shows a different variety of it, at least to me. DI also shows a take on Warfang's society during Malefor's time, the history to how it's built and what's happening outside the city. There's so much effort in the characters, even the canon character Malefor, and lore surrounding it written by Jack (DragonofIceAndFire) and community members of his server.

[coarse coral]

Im not one for fanfics but this does have some decent undertones of oppression and more subtle interpersonal dramas or gatekeeping or smthn

[sick swallow]

It’s really quite thorough and deep, in it’s world building, and the characters are quite well written, IMO

Just be aware that the depth and breadth of information here is likely to increase as time goes on

[thorn dagger]

I think fanfics are best when they take the world and expand it into its own story, rather than just taking the characters and forcing them into some scenario that hardly makes sense

[shadow pine]

Pretty much this with DI.

Although Malefor is a prominent character in this story, I feel like Jack (DragonofIceandFire) understands what Malefor could've been like as a juvenile duiring this period of time.

I'm glad as well that he hasn't tried to make Malefor a copy of Spyro either, very different.

Plus the dragon society compliments all of this too.

[raven furnace]

Malefor = golden retriever in dragon form

[limpid wolf]

He really is a puppy.

[limpid wolf]

Or making them all be a group centered on heeding to a gary stu or mary sue.

The kind of things that make many a fanfiction suck rotten eggs.

[hot pagoda]

Don't forget the self inserts and all current characters suddenly seeming inexplicably more incompetent than their canon counterparts, especially any that might compete with the self insert's love interest.

[west shoal]

Ohh yeah that is a common thing in fanworks

[shadow pine]

He is in full doge mode atm.

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-eyes-golden-retriever-cute-waiting-gif-21457304

Just look at him!

[surreal sparrow]

He is a true goober

Well the old design felt more gooberish

[thick siren]

https://vxtwitter.com/KrysowLKD/status/1690074983815417856

[coarse coral]

I like worldbuilding somewhat, but what about the narrative themes?

[coarse coral]

Or if theres more elaboration on this

[sick swallow]

Among other things, this story touches on themes such as:
-family and belonging (emphasis on noble families)
-loyalty, whether to family, friends, nation or self
-(in)justice within a stratified society / corruption within high society
-prejudice, especially in relation to race or lineage

[west shoal]

So I looked back and read about DI's dragon magic and read under Restraining Magic

Restraining magic essentially creates magic ropes to bind someone. These binds cannot be cut, bit, or forced apart. The only way to free yourself or another from magic binds, besides undoing them with superior magic, is to use elemental magic to destroy them.

Restraining magic can be cast at the Competent level, however the strength and resilience of the binds increases with mastery. While a Competent can slowly undo the binds made by a Practiced caster, they cannot undo the binds created by a Proficient caster.

Similarly, a Skilled element user cannot destroy binds created by a Proficient caster, but an Adept can.

Restraining magic and the binds they create takes after the caster's magic color.

And the color of Hayze and Jordhin's collars is yellow. And who's magic we see is also yellow?

[limpid wolf]

Yep.

[coarse coral]

Not bad, though not to my interests

Maybe the societal structure injustices is something i could tap into some

[sick swallow]

fair enough

If you're still on the fence about it, I can recommend reading through just chapter 1. It's only 25 pages, it gives a variety of action, character and lore

[coarse coral]

I know i tried reading chapter one at some point

Dont recall if i did the whole deal or not

[sick swallow]

oh, well fair enough

[coarse coral]

Thanks for being so precise in some of these replies tho

[sick swallow]

Oh, no worries. I tend to be pretty careful about details and accuracy, sometimes it's hard not to be 😅

[shadow pine]

I reckon give Chapter 2 a crack as well and see if it does tickle your fancy or not.

[coarse coral]

Maybe ill get back to you on that?

[coarse coral]

Thats a good trait tho 😮

[coarse coral]

O rightn part of the issue was i felt in very little control with deviantarts ui

Theres another website that has individual page links and all that iirc?

[sick swallow]

yeah

it's hosted by a site called "ComicFury"

[coarse coral]

Let me see here

[sick swallow]

There's a link in one of the pinned comments

[coarse coral]

O

This seems kinda archaic too x_x

Maybe theres more viewing option with desktop

[sick swallow]

ah, yes

it's not designed for mobile

[coarse coral]

Unfortunate

[sick swallow]

the UI is a bit simplistic, but the format works quite well if you're on desktop

[coarse coral]

It also just has its own site

That redirects to deviantart so never mind :/

[sick swallow]

Should actually be this one:
https://www.destinyintertwined.com/

[coarse coral]

Yee

Thats what redirected

[sick swallow]

really?

it shouldn't take you back to dA

[coarse coral]

I mean the site works

But the chapter links go to da

[sick swallow]

oh, yes

the comic is not hosted directly on the DI wiki

[coarse coral]

Kk

[sick swallow]

The wiki main page does have a link to the ComicFury site, but as you said, it doesn't work great on mobile

[coarse coral]

Looking at desktop hasnt faired too much better

The pages are displyed at odd sizes and such

Honestly downloading all the images seems like the best method :p

[sick swallow]

Yeah, if it works....

[coarse coral]

There isnt anyone whos archived it like that before?

[sick swallow]

I wouldn't be suprised if someone has, but we've never bothered to ask

[coarse coral]

Darn, i was hopin there was an existing folder or smthn

[sick swallow]

none that I am aware of

[austere urchin]

I've got an archive actually

[coarse coral]

les go i was just about to get back to that now that i'm done cookin

destiny intertwined, more like destiny zip foldered

[west shoal]

Where to find the Destiny Intertwined comic? On ComicFury and DeviantArt
https://destinyintertwined.thecomicseries.com/archive/
https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/gallery/81582000/destiny-intertwined

[coarse coral]

O right i need to get back to that. Either getting tbe archive or archiving it myself

[west shoal]

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-141-977805542

[sick swallow]

Oh, new page for real this time?

[west shoal]

Ohhh Clef... XD

Also the page shows a chilling foreshadowing. Malefor's Fire is already strong, awakened at the Controlled stage, and he has Fire manipulation on the first try...

[shadow pine]

Malefor upon master his fire rage:

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-gif-22862644

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-burning-gif-22103342

Guardians be like:

"WHAT HAVE WE DONE?!"

[quartz magnet]

i can't wait to see malphy put the guardians and the frostspears to their places

[limpid wolf]

"Now he has become the Dark Master, Destroyer of the Realms."

[west shoal]

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-142-977981933

[shadow pine]

Poor Vitreus.

Really his auntie is the only semblance of family he's got.

[west shoal]

He's lucky he ran into Isolda and not the other members of his family

[shadow pine]

True, they'd have mocked him.

[surreal sparrow]

The first 4 letter... smeh

[coarse coral]

I keep missing mega lore bombs

H

[sick swallow]

New Page:
https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-143-978789031

[surreal sparrow]

[west shoal]

DI on hiatus because Jack’s cat passed away. Let’s give him time and space

[shadow pine]

Poor Vitreus. The only source of positive reinforcement he has is leaving.

Also RIP Jack's cat.

[surreal sparrow]

_ _

[shadow pine]

https://tenor.com/view/tumbleweeds-desert-hot-dry-drought-gif-21341711

Fingers crossed for DI in a few more weeks once Jack gets back from his hiatus.

[limpid wolf]

He'll need the time to process his emotions, him losing his pet is painful to him.

I can relate as someone who along with my mother has lost pets.

Numerous of them.

[west shoal]

Character refs have been updated

Even the Frostspears got updated

[stark haven]

My boi got an update.

[surreal sparrow]

Mr Weh

[limpid wolf]

That would be Raii.

[stark haven]

I mean, he didn't change at all. We just now know his eye colour, tongue shape and bean colour.

And he got an E added to the end of his clan name.

[surreal sparrow]

[nova basalt]

Seeing em side by side, Raii’s markings got a little more dark orange in em now! They’re not mono colored like they were

[stark haven]

It looks the same to me.

[nova basalt]

it's super duper subtle, but it's a lot easier to see on his thigh marks. oh and that one new marking too lol

They're also a little sharper, I think is the right word?

[stark haven]

Oh yeah, I can see it now. Hopefully he gets more lines and doesn't get murderized in a terrible way a few chapters from now.

[west shoal]

New page!
https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-144-982949528

[quartz magnet]

that's

wow

at least, she is saying the truth

[west shoal]

So all that talk about Hayze being a threat to their society was all just an excuse to discredit Stormbringer because they have more power over the Army

And Frossar, he was raised from birth to hate the Stormbringers, including his rival Lynerius

[sick swallow]

yup

[opaque viper]

Squeak

[limpid wolf]

Damn, shots fired at Frossar from Isolda.

So it's not even actually that the Frostspears are xenophobes it's just that Frossar and Isrun are straight up jealous of Lynerius and Tordner.

[west shoal]

Them having more influence over the army, while the Frostspears only have the city guard

[opaque viper]

They're always jealous.

from beginning

because of clan in 1st.

With most reputation of course.

[raven furnace]

Welp, with nobility power and influence has always been the most important thing to them

[shadow pine]

I suspected we would get a chapter given Jack did say it would be a 2-3 week hiatus (and rightfully so btw). So basically the Stormbringers and Frostspears are fighting for influence over the Warfang Army.

I'm looking forward to seeing how this boils over.

[stark haven]

The guards are basically just a bunch of city bullies.

Hired thugs for the clans.

[shadow pine]

And further hones in on the fact that Frossar is a bitter ol' bastard over this.

[west shoal]

Another new page!
And... poor poor Vitreus... screw Frossar man...
https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-145-983369167

[raven furnace]

[ashen horizon]

Fathers like this get whats coming to them

[shadow pine]

Sweet jesus.

It's even worse than I thought.

Poor Vitreus.

[limpid wolf]

Straight up to his face tells him he won't heal it, in a world where easy healing crystals exist.

[ashen horizon]

'No son your not allowed to heal that wound cause you gotta show them that boys a monster'

[limpid wolf]

The irony is definitely not lost on us with that one.

[ashen horizon]

What idiocy is that -.-

I'd give him one heck of a smacking for saying that if I could

[limpid wolf]

"Are you giving up on protecting our kind so easily?" Manipulation at it's finest.

[ashen horizon]

Yep

Boy needs a break, I kind of hope he gets away from his father for good, I know he was the bully but it just shows hes going through a lot as well

[limpid wolf]

He wasn't just a bully. Following his character and home life shows what really goes into what makes someone a bully.

[ashen horizon]

Yeah exactly

[limpid wolf]

He wouldn't be the way he was if his father didn't brainwash and outright use him as a tool.

Even worse, it seems, it's not even that Frossar does it out of any sincere belief that dark dragons are evil, he's ruining his own kid, and his own character all because he's jealous of Lynerius.

[ashen horizon]

Yeah hes using his son to get the upper gain but as soon as hes no use then he just doesn't care about him unless hes useful to him again

I'm hoping Vitreus gets the wake up call before he ends up to brainwashed

[limpid wolf]

He already has.

He's seen how his family treats him, and how Hayze treated him compared to the Frostspear clan.

The council scene was the real breakthrough.

[ashen horizon]

From the fight he had, he looks more conflicted and trying to understand why his father is like the way he is

I glad his auntie is helping figure things out

[limpid wolf]

Get a good look at Vitreus' face, after he came back from the council.

Also factoring in that his father is pulling him out of class away from all his peers, all the people his age that he's ever known.

[ashen horizon]

Probably isolating him to gain more control over him sadly

[limpid wolf]

There's a good mix of guilt, sadness, but also anger.

His brows are furled so clearly he's realizing how bad his family is and he's growing disillusioned with them.

That's one thing I love about the comics is how well Jack conveys the emotions of the characters in just the faces alone, and how complex you can see they are.

[ashen horizon]

Yeah Jacks good at doing that

[limpid wolf]

Vitreus from what I see both feels sorry for Hayze and realizes what happened to him, and how he ended up being part of subjecting him to the fate he was given, he's also heartbroken at the prospect of losing all of the peers he's ever known, and it all culminates in him being angry at his family, particularly his father for how they treated him, and are alienating him from everyone.

Vitreus may be young, he may be "The bully", he may have been manipulated, but he's clearly not stupid.

Vitreus' face in the first panel, it's not only receptive to reassurance from his aunt, the only relative who cares about him, but it's also her words about her brother sinking in.

He knew the way his family acted and treated him, particularly his father, and with his dad, he now sees why: He's a jealous little bitch.

[west shoal]

Don’t forget he has a murderous older brother who bullies him

[limpid wolf]

True, but he has no real personal or ideological agenda other than to elevate himself no matter who he hurts, because he's literally a psychopath.

He does it because he can.

[shadow pine]

I now cannot wait for the day that bastard Frossar falls along with his family (save for the daughter and Vitreus, they can stay).

[opaque viper]

Can't be bad in the future

It's very unlikely his brother would kill Vitreus.

But only torture and tease at the same time.

[ashen horizon]

I dont know why but I got a Beserk reference in my head just then

[shadow pine]

Berserk PTSD intensifies

[royal oar]

Dang, just caught up to speed on this

[west shoal]

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-146-983853843

[quartz magnet]

well, once more, fuck the frostspears

[wide otter]

Hopefully, Isola will help Vitry get out if all this...

[west shoal]

Probably can't do much but she can at least explain their clan's corruption like what she's doing here

[ashen horizon]

You gotta feel for Isola as well, she went through the same thing but managed to leave and get away from it.
Now her nephew is going through the same thing, the concept of status and keeping basically the purebred of Ice alive really just justifies why this is just so wrong, but some family lines did do this to keep the family tree big and known

I doubt he can get away that easily since his life is already set up to go in a certain direction with his family, but it would be nice to see him rebel and stand up against his own father or even his own grandmother

I wonder how Isola got out of it though, makes me very curious how she did it 🤔

[raven furnace]

Given her 'rebel' status, I'm guess that she behaved in such a way that the clan wanted nothing to do with her

[west shoal]

They wanted her to join the guard but she chose to pursue magic instead.
On her wiki entry, it's said her family was utterly disappointed over her having the common Ice element coloration instead of a rare purple ice element the Frostspears were hoping for
https://www.destinyintertwined.com/characters/isolda

Isolda was born to Isrun, the current Frostspear Matriarch, in her third clutch. Her father was a clanless purple ice dragon, contracted to Isrun in a failed attempt to introduce purple ice into the Frostspear family. Isolda was in a clutch of two, with her hatching hours before her clutch brother, Skadin.

Because of her coloration, she was hoped to possess purple ice like her father. When her element presented however, it was white, and an event that should have been exciting and joyful, was met with utter disappointment from her family. This permanently damaged Isolda's relationship to her element, and caused her to lean heavily on magic.

[ashen horizon]

Wow..I hate them even more for looking down at her for not having purple ice, like that's just cruel

[raven furnace]

I doubt she cared too much. Was probably glad she didn't have it

[ashen horizon]

Yeah probbably

[west shoal]

She believed she would be praised when she got her element, purple or not, “an event that should’ve been exciting and joyful” but wound up disappointing her family

[thorn dagger]

I think the "an event that should’ve been exciting and joyful" pertains to the fact that everyone gathered to celebrate her getting purple ice, and ended up being disappointed by her regular ice, not necessarily that gaining an element is always a massive joyful event

[ashen horizon]

Wow does this remind me of Encantos scenario

Their about to awaken/ unlock their special ability only to not receive anything and be a complete disappointment in the family and are just there

[thorn dagger]

could be subconcious inspiration xD

our brains love to recycle stuff without us realizing

[ashen horizon]

Very true

Though I do like how Jack shows more distance of Isolda and her actual family, while in Encanto the bond is fixed and everyone can heal

Not all families do this so the representation of a dysfunctional family because of higher reasons mainly their own hubris and status is a nice touch to add in the comic

[latent snow]

When a dragon turns to the dark, does their element become a specific one?
Like nature becomes poison, fire becomes shadow, that kinda thing?

I was curious what ice would become, if this is the case

[stark haven]

Fear I would guess.

[west shoal]

Who knows. We really don't know much about the Dark Dragons and their elements right now. There's not even info about them on the official wiki

[west shoal]

They added a Warfang City page! New info! And 3D models to few of the key areas (so far the Ancestor Temple, Crescent Hall, Warfang City Temple, and the Army Fort)
https://www.destinyintertwined.com/warfang-city

[shadow pine]

Well this is interesting indeed.

Not just the new artwork for the city

But also the information regarding the Underground City

It's basically a place rife with crime.

[west shoal]

Awww

The purpose of the Underground City was to expand housing options to keep most of the above-ground Warfang City high class and peaceful, and this partially succeeded.

[limpid wolf]

Isolda's name is not only a real given name in German and Welsh, also spelt as variants such as "Isolde" and "Ysolda" but the meaning of the name is interesting, and fitting for the context of the story.

It is influenced by the Brythonic "Adsiltia" which means "She who is gazed upon" refering to beauty, but it's main root words are the old High German word "īs" meaning Ice, and "Hiltja" meaning "Battle".

"Ice battle", the fact that Isolda is at odds with and detests the ways of the Ice clan, the Frostspears.

[latent snow]

Neat
I like etymology in lore
I wonder if it’s intentional

[shadow pine]

What about Vitreus then

Where does his name come from?

There's Vitreous which means glass. But I don't think that's what Jack is going for here.

Unless he's meant to be like glass, like fragile.

Speakiing of Vitreus:

I can't wait to see him finally hit his adult stage.

[sick swallow]

I’m excited to see all of their adult forms, honestly

[shadow pine]

Oh definately. Like as a whole, I'm so keen to see the dragonets finally become fully grown

One of them in particular is Malefor, how he'll look before he becomes corrupted.

If this comic is still following the original lore, then Malefor will be banished when he's an adult/young adolescence.

[opaque viper]

oh yeah forget to post here

[limpid wolf]

He had a fragile ego in his bully phase.

[shadow pine]

Who made this?

[opaque viper]

@shadow pine. LastKrystalDragon

Also, i commissioned this

[shadow pine]

It's very good. Also seeing Frossar with a tear in his eye makes me very happy.

[limpid wolf]

That's not Frossar, that's Icarius, also, I'm pretty sure those are his actual eyes, not tears.

[opaque viper]

:v

It's not frossar x.x

And not a tear.

Just neutral face while waving.

And it's Icarius dork!

[shadow pine]

Sorry, they all look the same to me.

(don't cancel me)

[ashen horizon]

Speaking of Malefor me and hun noticed something in his design over time, when Malefor gets corrupted and chooses dark Aethur, his horns over time in the game started to split further apart from his head. You can see this in the statues, im hoping Jack shows this in the comic as well

[shadow pine]

Yep, this is intentional

Could also be when they were designing him for DOTD they wanted to really emphasize how evil he had become too.

[west shoal]

DOTD redesigned Malefor’s original Krome Studios designs

In Destiny Intertwined, Jack said Malefor’s DOTD design will be used in some way

His appearance is based on his The Eternal Night depiction, though his Dawn of the Dragon appearance is not entirely disregarded.

[shadow pine]

Sounds like it'll be a design that encompasses both.

Interesting, on those statues, it looks like Malefor is wearing some sort of chestpiece that also covers his shoulders too.

Not sure if it's armour or some ceremonial thing.

[west shoal]

According to the artwork of the temple statue, it’s a ceremonial piece Malefor’s wearing

[shadow pine]

Ah yep that definately looks ceremonial too.

[west shoal]

The Well of Souls statue added more tweaks to the design, like a scar on his left eye and other changes likely done by his Dark Aether corruption

[shadow pine]

I'd actually like to see a side-by-side comparisson of both.

Beyond the concept art above.

Younger me never noticed the difference but now I see you're right.

[west shoal]

Here ^^
It was posted above too

[shadow pine]

Sorry I meant how the looked in-game.

I did see the concept art above.

[west shoal]

Those are ingame statues

[shadow pine]

No you're not understanding.

[sick swallow]

Are there versions with the textures included over the model?

[shadow pine]

This is what I meant.

[sick swallow]

Or in-game screenshots

[shadow pine]

With their final look in-game

Yep

[west shoal]

I think, I may have to look and see

The intended idea was for the temple statue to be gold stone, but due to technical constraints of the console versions, it looked like simple stone

[west shoal]

Posted in #🔷spyro_chat

[west shoal]

Awwwww 😭
https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-147-984738342

[opaque viper]

Yep

Poor guy

But still

You must understand that Isrun is only one of them are manipulated.

I feel sorry for your ass about Frostir or kinda little hate character about it.

or anything

Isrun is still most evil one than Frossar.

Sorry!

Having no parent love is good way to be manipulated and cruel.

Whatever their choice

[limpid wolf]

Isolda was the favorite and even then she saw her family how they really are; A bunch of cold-hearted elitists who's children are nothing more than tools.

[opaque viper]

Indeed

More than tools.

[raven furnace]

Yup
Useful until your not and then your nothing more than garbage to them

[west shoal]

Skadin had it worse out of the two. Shamed and discarded since birth

[limpid wolf]

Exactly what she points out, and even so, she detests the way her family shunned him.

[thorn dagger]

She only figured it out after being rejected though. She basked in the love and attention until her ice element turned out to not be pure

[raven furnace]

I get the feeling that was partly why she didn't stick up for her sibling. She was probably scared of receiving the same treatment

[west shoal]

New page! 😭
https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-148-985017321

[surreal sparrow]

[limpid wolf]

Things just keep looking worse and worse on Isrun's behalf. And what a tragic turn for Isolda.

[latent snow]

She seems to have pink magic, is that not special?

[shadow pine]

Good. Fucking. God.

Just....god damn.

Isrun I can''t wait to see die.

We are all gonna rejoice.

[sick swallow]

No, sadly. Magic works the same regardless of colouration. Elements often have different properties based on their colour.

[latent snow]

Oh interesting, I wonder what pink ice would do

[sick swallow]

Purple ice is also seen as the “purest” form of ice, so there’s a reputation reason, for the entire clan, that they’d want her to have it

[latent snow]

Wonder why it’s considered the purest
Maybe something to do with aether

[sick swallow]

That part I don’t actually know

[hot pagoda]

I'm a little confused at the choice of language calling a dragon a man.

Just seems a bit odd. XD

[hidden depot]

O
I just noticed lol

[thorn dagger]

I mean, when did you last refer to someone as an elder human? X)

[opaque viper]

it is odd.

[opaque viper]

You know what isrun want.

I believe deep blue and purple ice element.

But this is possible for Isrun's next plan

You'll never know, but you'll know soon enough.

[hot pagoda]

Well more like Elder Dragon in this case? XD

[thorn dagger]

I was more referring to the fact that in a lot of literature it's quite common for dragons to refer to each other as dragons, meanwhile humans don't refer to each other as humans, but man, woman, the collective people etc.

So a dragon commenting on another dragon with "Look at what that dragon is wearing" is equivalent to saying "look at what that human is wearing" and it works much less when they're the focus of the story

I actually consider that it would've been a great story-telling tool in societies with both dragons and humans, since dragons refering to each other as dragon would suggest the language and manner of communication was formed by an outside party (humans) which didn't need to distinguish between the collective and the species, cause they were one and the same from the point of view of an outsider

sadly, can't really use that if it's commonplace to call dragons dragon xD

[hot pagoda]

I see what you mean, but at the same time I don't see much difference between saying that "human" and "that man" or otherwise, it's still kind of calling to someone that, depending on the speaker, may refer to an identity the speaker themself shares.

I feel you could just as easily argue dragon/dragoness are a dragon's version of "man/woman", and personally don't see too much true issue with dragons calling each other dragons as I do this it's one of the most easily explained away issues between how a different species, say a dragon, would speak.

I've read a few where the terms dragon/dragonelle (that series name for female dragons) as an analog of man/woman.

[thorn dagger]

Imma move to #💬general_offtopic

[austere urchin]

"reproduction contract"
that's not the usual term, iirc their version of marraige is being "united"

[sick swallow]

That would be correct. Within DI, “Unity” is their term for marriage.
Within clans, however, it’s often common practice to have “reproductive contracts”, which are more or less what they sound like.
The wiki explains it better than I can, however, so I’ll just direct you to the relevant section:
https://www.destinyintertwined.com/dragons-society
Subheading: “Love, Marriage, and Eggs”, paragraph 3

[mental coyote]

My hate for Isrun had gone up through the roof. But now? It’s gone through the stratosphere.

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-149-985815312

New page i guess?

But heartbreaking.

[raven furnace]

Oh... oh I do not like where this is going

[surreal sparrow]

⚠️ goober activity ⚠️

[limpid wolf]

Isolda being not just an aunt, but the mother that Vitreus needed, and otherwise would've never had.

Because of how cold and heartless Vitreus' biological mother is.

[latent snow]

I didn’t know she had a kid

If it hasn’t been mentioned before, makes me wonder if somethings gonna happen to it 👀

[latent snow]

I’m a lil confused about family trees too
So the ice matriarch is the magic lady’s mum, but isn’t she also the lil ice guys mum too? So they’re brother and sister?

Also wasn’t Frossar her brother too?

Though that’d mean the ice matriarch had a kid with her son

[sick swallow]

The Ice matriarch is Vitry's grandmother. His mother is from another clan and only shows up for one page back in ch2

It's not not the most clear unless you go back to reread the first couple chapters, though, so I can see how it'd be confusing

[sick swallow]

And yeah, there's never been mention of Isolda having (living) children before this, so I'm concerned as well.

[latent snow]

I wonder if my niece is old enough to enjoy this comic too

She’s 11 I think? Started being a lil edgy so I don’t think it’d be too dark

Born in the year of the dragon, too! With the element of water

[ashen horizon]

Well there are some scenes of violence and some scenes can be a bit much for youngsters which is why some pages are covered by the tag mature content on DA

[west shoal]

Ages 17-18+ at least for the comic itself

[ashen horizon]

Yeah I was going to say since I looked at the content warning, its not appropriate for a 11 year old

[latent snow]

Aww okay

[surreal sparrow]

there are some things in the comic that are a bit too uhhhh
silly

[hot pagoda]

Like?

[surreal sparrow]

There was this one thing much earlier in the comic
Idk if I should mention it here

[sick swallow]

Honestly, the CW list here pretty much covers all the obvious things, aside from language which also can be rather adult at times. Beyond those, there’s also a lot more nuance and complexity to the story that a child would probably not understand very well.

[west shoal]

Oh.... oh no.......
https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-150-986224868

[opaque viper]

Rip

Here we go with darker thought.

[limpid wolf]

Oh no... a miscarriage.

[hot pagoda]

Or sabotage.

[ashen horizon]

I'm not surprised with all that stress

[raven furnace]

I was afraid this was going to happen ;w;

[west shoal]

Dragon biology in DI from the wiki

After around 3 months of gestation, a dragon lays its eggs, and the hatchlings within will continue to develop. At birth, the egg shell is somewhat soft, but will quickly expand and harden, becoming quite thick.

[opaque viper]

||What about artwork of Lynerius choking Isrun while she was fighting back?||

||I still know this was uncomfortable or unexpected answer to say but still. Regardless another page made me sad for last time.||

[limpid wolf]

Where was that and what does it have to do with this current scene? Unless you're just talking about how dark the story can be.

[limpid wolf]

||And just to be clear you're talking about literal choking, right? If so, after everything Isrun did it'd be nothing but entertaining to see that.||

[opaque viper]

@limpid wolf Bud. Isrun did more than that but still isrun and villain is required to get rid of.

Isrun may sound like ice bitch but still. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

||instead of choking.. Perhaps something dfifferent than that.||

[limpid wolf]

At first Isrun didn't seem that bad, just xenophobic and snooty, but then it just got worse and worse.

Including especially how she treaterd her own children.

Isolda and Skadin both.

[opaque viper]

Though you might like this https://www.deviantart.com/hikari-no-rail/art/Sad-Dragons-986097186

[limpid wolf]

That's a good piece.

Reflects how much Lynerius and Hayze miss eachother.

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/fillia26651/art/Isolda-Icy-Mage-986293047

[west shoal]

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Arcadier-986420372
https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Terrenus-986420229
https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Jordhin-986420232

[latent snow]

I like Terrenus

[opaque viper]

I'm glad you do :v

I still know Terrenus looked at Hayze during chapter 2.

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/girl2001111/art/Hayze-And-Malefor-986774824

[hidden depot]

Lmao

[raven furnace]

Malefor is just happy to be there

[limpid wolf]

It fits when you consider that Hayze was infact arrested by Frossar.

[surreal sparrow]

i thought that was a hayze mugshot

[limpid wolf]

Malefor doesn't know or care what it's about he just wants to do something with Hayze.

[surreal sparrow]

yesh

happs goober

[limpid wolf]

Even though Hayze was basically sentenced to living in what amounts to Malefor's house.

[shadow pine]

Bro mah boi Terrenus is BEEFY.

He could probably bench press most dragons with the amount of testosterone he's packing alone.

For the love of god don't challenge him to an armwrestling contest (or wrestling of any kind). 😄

[shadow pine]

This was also updated to Terrenus' profile as well.

Basically this guy mastered his elemental manipulation before finally being able to breathe it.

[raven furnace]

He's simply built different

[shadow pine]

Them Earth Dragons are like Popeye, they eat their spinach every day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_jcT08MqoU

[surreal sparrow]

[opaque viper]

:v

I could buy commissions for Terrenus

but that's plan for while now.

Still gotta wait until three commissions to be finished.

[shadow pine]

I would love to see those. We've already got Nivalis artwork of him reading. I'd love to see someone do one of Terrenus doing some sort of activity.

[opaque viper]

Will do.

also WIP

Herakidpatrol's style

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1157364154563317780/1157379514620444762/IMG_0902.gif?ex=6518652b&is=651713ab&hm=262ce734f0e9a4c213161fe0877efeb1ca535a8797f84946b6e10743e616ba55&

She's lovely though.

A lovely artist herakidpatrol.

[shadow pine]

Very nice!

[surreal sparrow]

Who da green goober

[sick swallow]

That’s Imerus, another soldier under Lyner’s devision

[shadow pine]

Isn't that the soldier that's in love with Lyn as well?

[sick swallow]

Correct. Imerus does in fact have a massive crush on Lyner

[limpid wolf]

Imerus is one of his sub...ordinates, along with Raii.

[west shoal]

Full wiki page enty on Imerus here
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zQJbkkRu2ep-yMfryjN_MLQ6PsFKbe-6JmLmg_WIh_Y/

[opaque viper]

HEH

[surreal sparrow]

*WEH

[shadow pine]

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEH

[surreal sparrow]

^

[stark haven]

Many dragons have a crush on Lyn.

[limpid wolf]

And sadly for them it oftentimes is not reciprocal.

Ontop of Lynerius being contracted to an arranged marriage to Auralis, which isn't what he wanted, but atleast Tordner hooked him up with a quality wife, you gotta give him that.

[opaque viper]

Obvious..

Really.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1157364154563317780/1157379514620444762/IMG_0902.gif?ex=6518652b&is=651713ab&hm=262ce734f0e9a4c213161fe0877efeb1ca535a8797f84946b6e10743e616ba55&

[stark haven]

Well, not my dragon.

[opaque viper]

I noticed something

[west shoal]

https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Some-NPCs-987679003

[west shoal]

https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-151-987730325

[opaque viper]

:v SQUEAK!

[thick siren]

as sad as this is, the first panel looks adorable with Vitreus next to Isolda like that

[limpid wolf]

It just looks worse and worse on Isrun.

[ashen horizon]

👀

[limpid wolf]

Yeeeep Tordner was actually onto something when he taunted Lynerius about liking other men.

[ashen horizon]

Damn

[limpid wolf]

I mean it also does say on the same article that Lynerius is bisexual.

[ashen horizon]

Ah

[surreal sparrow]

^ you mean this guy?

[sick swallow]

That would be lieutenant Raii, if that’s what you’re asking

[surreal sparrow]

ye

[sick swallow]

New page:
https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-152-987921420

[opaque viper]

Still feel bad for skadin

[limpid wolf]

I do too.

He sees his family is bad, he doesn't want to be bad, but he feels trapped.

[raven furnace]

One of the many side effects of abuse. You know they are bad but they constantly make you feel like you are nothing without them so you end up feeling like you can't do anything without them

[limpid wolf]

Mhm, that's how abusers get their victims, the physical and obvious acts would never slide without the way an abuser mentally breaks or manipulates their victims.

[raven furnace]

Yup
Stockholm syndrome on an extra twisted level

[latent snow]

When in that cycle, you can seek out that kind of sadness too

It can become addicting

[limpid wolf]

Which is why when people who were abused as a kid try to move on and find a relationship they only end up repeating the cycle by finding and settling with another abuser, because that's all they know.

[latent snow]

It’s very sad, yeah
I was in a short relationship with a man who was abused when he was younger, he left me for another abuser

I think he just, craved the feeling
Wasn’t used to having a nice person treat him well

She does not allow him to be in contact with any women now, so I have not heard from him since
I hear she || hits him :/ ||

[shadow pine]

Without getting off-topic (in saying that I'm sorry to hear you had to experience that). That is classic stockholm-syndrome. The abused get so accustomed to it they can't see beyond that.

[opaque viper]

I could get another Skadin artwork.

If you like to

With Isolda?

There still 4 artwork currently WIP.

The 4th one is for LastKrystalDragon. not like DI related.

[shadow pine]

I'd love to see one of Amberius

[opaque viper]

Hmm..

Alright

[west shoal]

https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-153-988565562

[surreal sparrow]

The clouds

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/herakidpatrol/art/COMM-Camping-988738847

EEEEEEEE

[shadow pine]

That is one very, VERY awkward campfire right there.

LET THERE BE BLOOD!!!

[opaque viper]

pfff

[west shoal]

Ooooo a new side story featuring Skadin is coming

After an offer from Clan Glacehelm, Chief Isrun has decided that her son, Captain Skadin, is to be unified.

Content warning
Intentional and unintentional misgendering
Arranged marriage
Age gap
Emotional abuse

https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Be-Useful-988931854

[surreal sparrow]

Hmm

[hidden depot]

Just read it. The story is bittersweet

[limpid wolf]

It mentions there's an age gap between the characters, I'm guessing in this Skadin is a, still young, but older adult and the person he's in an arranged marriage to has only freshly become an adult?

Oh, yep.

[surreal sparrow]

I dont really mind if they're still adults
Still kinda tho

[limpid wolf]

Yeah the thing about age gap is, generally, if it's two consenting adults, it's two consenting adults, there's nothing you can really say about that as weird as it can sometimes be. The problem is in the story, the marriage was arranged when Skadin was well into adulthood and Hivere was still, in their culture, a teenager, Yes the marriage takes place when she comes of age, but Isrun still made the plans to marry Skadin off to them while they were still a child.

[limpid wolf]

God I feel sorry for Skadin.

[opaque viper]

I know how you feel

[opaque viper]

Well.

Here's more silly things for Undacus
And lovely Skadin including Stryga

[west shoal]

Oooo new DI Holidays and Special Days details on the Dragon Society page
https://www.destinyintertwined.com/dragons-society

[thorn dagger]

I see dragons are no different to humans, making up new holidays all the time

[opaque viper]

More frostir!

Artwork made by CrazyTaizy

https://www.deviantart.com/crazytaizy/art/Com-Frostir-being-sketchy-989514321

[sick swallow]

[opaque viper]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1157364154563317780/1157379514620444762/IMG_0902.gif?ex=6518652b&is=651713ab&hm=262ce734f0e9a4c213161fe0877efeb1ca535a8797f84946b6e10743e616ba55&

It seems that you're afraid of Frostir

[sick swallow]

aye

he spooky

[mystic barn]

hehe~

[opaque viper]

SQUEAK

What's up?!

[mystic barn]

doin good!

[opaque viper]

Good good :>

[opaque viper]

Damn

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/domstroof/art/Lightning-Lyner-990113377

Forget to show ya.

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/larathefairyxerneas/art/Icey-Devil-990374926

More Frostir.

[shadow pine]

Very nice!

[west shoal]

OH SHIT!
https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-154-990575190

[limpid wolf]

Ohp, it's him again.

That psychopathic stare in his eye in the last panel, Yeesh.

It's piercing.

[opaque viper]

GONNA SQUEAK

https://www.deviantart.com/diznits/art/snitches-and-talkers-get-stitches-and-walkers-990591786

We have more frostir.

[opaque viper]

You can't stop us anyway :>>>

I love Frostir SQUEAK!!!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/187020781094567936/1167075178963013672/1107129357090181130.gif?ex=654cce75&is=653a5975&hm=cddd857b273d06a56f8171b8c254713841c8b7f461d3a241c792da9a91eaf89f&

[limpid wolf]

And more slasher stare, too.

[sick swallow]

That lad is gonna kill us all

[opaque viper]

@sick swallow @limpid wolf Torture is lovely.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/214523379766525963/1165943627495772200/IMG_0902.gif?ex=6548b09e&is=65363b9e&hm=f719517c5e7e467c511bb4392e63d430d3e6a01dcf09a31626db5990f9f32f83&

[limpid wolf]

I actually like Frostir's design and appearance but by god, he is such a sadistic freak.

[opaque viper]

Always lovely sadistic freak

Oh yeah..

Had to change commissions

From Undacus and Tordena to Frostir and Vitreus.

[limpid wolf]

And as of recent he's now gotten the most twisted evil eye I've seen in a long time.

[opaque viper]

for headshot.

But gah. It might be hard to choose x.x

[limpid wolf]

Between this fanart piece and the comic.

[opaque viper]

Something like that

[limpid wolf]

I'm talking about his piercing stare.

He's got a death stare that could give Puss n' Boots death a run for his money.

[raven furnace]

Ngl
I'd like to get a wind dragon that's in IceAndFire's style

[ashen horizon]

I nearly fainted with that stare god damn

[shadow pine]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-crazy-creepy-gif-13725248

Frostir ^

[shadow pine]

Can't unsee it now fellas.

https://tenor.com/view/we-are-all-gonna-die-gif-23367039

[ashen horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-tom-and-jerry-wide-eyes-eyes-out-scared-gif-18120619

[limpid wolf]

I don't think I've seen many glances like this that so clearly say "I'm gonna off an innocent person".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BntrNnlKydE

[ashen horizon]

He gives me classic Joker vibes

But I know if I got on his bad side I bet id get ice bladed .__.

[opaque viper]

lol

I love this xD

[royal oar]

Oh man

[royal oar]

Yeah I'd definitely say this isn't going to end well 😬

[quartz magnet]

i feel like this situation is going to give truth to what incendis said

[shadow pine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vtsKGzGVK4&t=16s

This is the music Frostir wakes up to every morning.

[west shoal]

https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-155-991026243

[raven furnace]

Yeesh
Mans needs to take a chill pill

[shadow pine]

God damn.

[ashen horizon]

Boi! get your sniveling claws of him!

[winter maple]

Funny because ice

[raven furnace]

You get it

[surreal sparrow]

kill this gray derg

with hammers

[limpid wolf]

He deserves something, at the least for dissing Isolda.

[opaque viper]

Hmmm..

I can probably do little evil way with Frostir and Isolda.

[shadow pine]

You could say that Frostir needs to:

https://tenor.com/view/chill-out-mr-freeze-arnold-batman-and-robin-hd-punny-gif-24346154

[opaque viper]

pfff!

[west shoal]

https://www.fxdeviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-156-991382317

[molten condor]

👀 ono

[west shoal]

Frostir's manipulating Vit now... hisss.... And he said one of the chapter teaser arc words too!

They're different from us, that makes them a threat.
Frostir is wrapped in his own twisted world too, even sees the commoners as a danger to what Frostspear stands for. Practically anyone different from Frostspear is considered a threat

[limpid wolf]

"Our blood is above theirs, they despise us" Despite the fact that the Stormbringers are a military clan and the Frostspears are... essentially equatable to a cop family.

Isrun and Frossar both being jealous of Lynerius for his greater prestige and might.

[west shoal]

and their bias is passed down to their most broken and murderous heir to the family

[surreal sparrow]

we're gonna need bigger hammers

[shadow pine]

Oh lord.

And just like his Grandmother, refers to Hayze as an "it".

Talk about superiority complex.

[ashen horizon]

Aye hes so brainwashed

[opaque viper]

Squeak :v

[shadow pine]

No, not hammers for this one.

Give me a flamethrower.

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

Burn them all.

[surreal sparrow]

perhapples

[royal oar]

Heck yeah. I'll use my Sunfire! :3

[shadow pine]

Except of course Vitreus and Isolda.

They can stay.

[surreal sparrow]

I feel like Vitreus has a little bit of sympathy fir Hayze now

[limpid wolf]

He's long had it. Ever since after the council incident, you can see on his face he feels guilty about being involved in Hayze being unjustly persecuted.

Between the scene at the council and how they treated Hayze despite how nice he was to him compared to his family, and his father pulling him out of his classes with all the kids he's known his whole life, just look at his face.

It's a perfect mix of anger, sadness and guilt.

[raven furnace]

He's a victim of his family plain and simple :<

[limpid wolf]

Most certainly.

[west shoal]

The wiki also confirmed that Frossar purposely placed Vitreus in Hayze's flight from the start

[limpid wolf]

In other words, Frossar purposefully put Vitreus there to target Hayze and get him in trouble, ultimately just to hurt Lynerius.

And once Vitreus no longer served that purpose he pulled him out.

And Frossar did all this all because he's jealous of him.

[west shoal]

In 3006, he (Vitreus) joined the Temple School, and was slotted into a Flight with no other clan dragons. This was odd, but Vitreus did not know that.

Frossar also wanted Vitreus to call out for Hayze's execution and do more during that fated meeting

[shadow pine]

And somehow this does not surprise me. Frossar may just be a pawn in Isrun's game but for him, he will use any opportunity to one-up Lyn. At the same time this does not in any way excuse him from being an absolute bastard.

[quartz magnet]

and that is sadly an understatement

i don't think there is a word to describe his behavior

and it's even worse with isrun

[limpid wolf]

Machiavellian.

Machiavellian, Exploitative, Jealous, Conniving.

[raven furnace]

A petty child throwing a tantrum? Take your pick

[royal oar]

A dragon from a broken society my sona would save and give a new home in a heartbeat, and try to do the same for his family members

[royal oar]

Yep, awr

[coarse coral]

Does destiny intertwined interact more with themes of the source material or themes of its own invention?

[sick swallow]

yes

kinda both, honestly

[coarse coral]

By themes I mean morally rather than world building to be clear

[sick swallow]

Yeah, in that case it's fairly different from TLoS. There are themes of self vs family/ nation, corruption of society, racism, just to name a few...

Actually, in a lot of ways, it's similar to Star Wars - comparing the original trilogy (IV, V and VI) to the prequal trilogy (I, II and III)

[coarse coral]

Why do you say that?

And in comparing what to what?

[winter maple]

It's game of thrones with dragons as far as I've seen

Like remove malefor which appears so rarely and it has nothing to do with the source material at all

[coarse coral]

I thought game of thrones had dragons lol

[sick swallow]

The Star Wars OT, and TLoS both deal with a fairly straightforward moral dilemma: a small force of dissidents fighting an overwhelming evil power

Star Wars PT and DI both deal with the moral greyness of a large society/ empire with good and bad elements mixed throughout

That explanation is a bit quick-and-dirty, and it's not a clear cut as that, but it's a start

[coarse coral]

I mean I adore the prequels but I dont see the relation or necessity to tlos.

More secondarily, there's already implication that the ancestors have failures that led to Malefor and that Cynder / Spyro aren't immune to similar fates

[sick swallow]

I mainly compare to SW because it's something that a lot of people know, and has a lot of decent parallels

I'm not entirely sure who you mean regarding "the ancestors", but with the way it's shaping up currently, it's likely that the Elders in the time of DI play a major role in shaping Malefor into the villain we know him as in TLoS

Also, yeah. I would agree that Spyro/ Cynder aren't immune to similar fates. That said, I think that both the state of their world, plus who they are as people (personality, soul etc) is enough difference so as to make it unlikely.
Tl; dr - I don't see TLoS Spyro or Cynder ever becoming villains like Malefor, but I also wouldn't say it's impossible

[coarse coral]

So its expanding on whats implied in tlos

[sick swallow]

yeah

The writer works tries very hard to avoid contradicting anything in the main games

[coarse coral]

Thats respectable but sounds more like what I understand of the kotor situation?

But as far as relating to source material, its mainly malefor motivations backstory stuff and then the rest is original?

[ashen horizon]

Just read the comic

[coarse coral]

I read the first half of ch 1 i think

[west shoal]

Like this

In ANB/TEN - The dragon who becomes the Chronicler was alive when Malefor was young
In DOTD - The dragon who becomes the Chronicler was alive when Warfang was built
In Destiny Intertwined - The dragon who became the Chronicler was alive during Warfang's construction (aka Year 0 The Unification) and is deceased, and now recording history. His distant descendant, a dragon resembling the Chronicler (Eurene) is alive when Malefor was young

[limpid wolf]

And that's one thing that separates Destiny Intertwined from so many other fan works; The author works to ensure that the setting does not contradict or disregard the lore of the original works.

But rather it compliments it.

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/hikari-no-rail/art/Isolda-992376611

[raven furnace]

[coarse coral]

I already see the chronicler with those implication and effect (i think) idk about distant ancestors, thats pretty removed. I dont really feel theres as glaring of holes related to the war as people tend to feel ig?

[west shoal]

Jack confirmed that Eurene is a distant descendant of the Chronicler we know in TLOS. The Chroncler is already dead and recording history in DI
https://www.destinyintertwined.com/characters/eurune

[ashen horizon]

Just read the comic, theres a lot of info in the chapters

But il say Jack does a good job at tying in the lore with the origin story of Malefor

[coarse coral]

Yea what im trying to say is idc about a descendant of the chronicler, that is so far removed given how long an age lasts in tlos

[coarse coral]

I read a good bit but resizing every page and the ui of sites became too cumbersome

[sick swallow]

How are you reading it?

I mean, which website, and what kind of device?

[coarse coral]

Iirc there's two main sites to try? One that's deviantart and another that is a comic archive site? I tried both on mobile and desktop I think. Likewise I'd visited the destiny intertwined website a couple times

[sick swallow]

Okay, fair enough

I’ve had the best time reading it via the archive on desktop.

I just know that reading it on mobile can be difficult, regardless of which site you use

[coarse coral]

Ill give it one more go

Comicfury?

[sick swallow]

Yeah

[coarse coral]

Any particular viewing mode?

The ones I've used before I end up needing to scroll over a whole panel

[sick swallow]

That’s… different

You mean it comes up super zoomed in?

[coarse coral]

Kinda, I'll demonstrate

[sick swallow]

Ooooh

You’re using a different version of the site

I see now

[coarse coral]

Why

[sick swallow]

Try this one:
https://destinyintertwined.thecomicseries.com/comics/first/

It’s still hosted by ComicFury, but the URL and formatting are different

[coarse coral]

Same deal

[sick swallow]

Strange

[coarse coral]

It's on Chrome, Windows 10 🤷‍♂️

[sick swallow]

Maybe try a different browser?

Oh, you know what, it's actually like that on my end too. I'm just dumb and forgot 😅

[coarse coral]

Same thing in edge

H

[sick swallow]

I've just gotten used to it

It's generally not necessary to see the whole page at once, so I don't mind it

[coarse coral]

Ill just read the whole thing in an hour ig

[sick swallow]

sounds good

it can be a pretty quick read, once you get invested lol

[coarse coral]

why again is there blood

omfg malefor reveal

[sick swallow]

yup

Malefor's great

[coarse coral]

just putting it as a point of where i'm at

still going but for my own note there is a spelling mistake on page 54

[sick swallow]

Yeah, that happens occasionally

[coarse coral]

I mean, in editing, sure

Oh since im coming up to it, it seems chapter 3 is still in development, yes?

[sick swallow]

Yeah, ch3 is still releasing page by page right now

[coarse coral]

Ive had a lot of thoughts through reading but I'll have to collect them after my motivation to read dwindles

[sick swallow]

Glad to hear you're enjoying it lol

[coarse coral]

More mixed honestly but Im trying to be attentive

[sick swallow]

Fair enough

[coarse coral]

I should only have a few more pages of ch2 to finish when i return from church

Im at the night of celebration / betrothment

[hot pagoda]

Your monitor is either small, or low res, or...I don't know something just looks off about it. That's probably why you can't view it all in one screen.

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-157-992614588

SQUEAK

[limpid wolf]

Frostir tryna dig into Vit's brain and twist it.

Another key feature of psychopaths; manipulation.

[quartz magnet]

frostir is going to have my claws on his face

[coarse coral]

Its a laptop

I forget if I got to try on pc

[ashen horizon]

Damn Frostir needs to back off

[coarse coral]

Either way, weird considering these are fairly standard sizes

[surreal sparrow]

Hammers

[coarse coral]

btw i shall still finish DI chapter 2 but I have a chunk of paperwork to plow through

[latent snow]

Shows how easy I am to manipulate, the fact I was there like “huh maybe he’s right, maybe he’s just looking out for lil frosty, he just has a bit of an aggressive way of doing so”

Or maybe that feeling is right 👀

[limpid wolf]

Naivety, it's a vulnerability that manipulators look for.

[raven furnace]

Mhm

And they know how to prey on a person's insecurities

[limpid wolf]

Another key characteristic of psychopaths and sociopaths.

They see a vulnerability, they do not hesitate to capitalize on it to get what they want.

[west shoal]

Plus Vitreus is already in a vulnerable state, after the meeting that nearly got Hayze killed, him attacking his classmate, and see the dark side of his family

[shadow pine]

DI uses lots of established ideas from TLOS series as well as a lot of concepts that didn't make the cut. Stuff that Jared Pullen, one of the devs on TLOS confirmed in interviews himself.

But at the same time it brings a lot of these concepts into the story in an interesting way.

[coarse coral]

Hes an artist, not a dev, but curious if so

[ashen horizon]

He was lead concept artist of the first two Legend of Spyro games

[coarse coral]

Yes

[ashen horizon]

He focused on helping build the universe of those games such as characters, enemies props and landscapes, he knows more lore on the games world building than anyone else does

[coarse coral]

Hes up there

Writers would be the first pick, but he translates a lot of that

[coarse coral]

Any specific cut concepts from tlos you can point to occuring in DI that I can look for?

[ashen horizon]

Probably best to read up on it so you see for yourself

[coarse coral]

I have been

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/hikari-no-rail/art/Skadin-992705747

[shadow pine]

One of the big things was confirmation that there were other Guardians. Including one for each of Cynders elements (Poison, Wind, Fear and Shadow). He also revealed that Spyro's purple element that he uses in both his fight with Cynder and Malefor was in fact Aether. In his fight with Gaul this was Dark Aether. Aether in essence is the element of "matter".

I recommend reading the whole interview., it's on deviantart. Very fun to read about.

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/journal/Q-A-with-Jared-Pullen-lead-concept-artist-of-TLoS-591799120

Regarding Cynder, had she not been corrupted, was a Wind Dragon (or rather that is what the artists intended), hence why she gains the power of wind whereas her other 3 elements are dark elements.

Water as an element was going to exist orignally and Cyril was to be the Water Guardian but this was changed to Ice instead.

[limpid wolf]

Ice is cooler, literally.

[ashen horizon]

If there was to be a water element I would of preferred it to be a female dragon

Ice is cool but water is barely used in games with elements

[west shoal]

Cyril WAS going to be a female water guardian

[shadow pine]

Yep

And I just read that bit too.

Cyril was originally going to not only be the water guardian but female too.

But this got scrapped of course.

[west shoal]

Jared Pullen also has an inactive DA account where he explains the four elements and Aether, even story ideas on ANB and TEN, on HD concept art submissions he worked on
https://www.deviantart.com/that-spyro-guy

[ashen horizon]

I did watch him awhile back but he later moved onto other projects, I was keen to know more about the games lore and concepts from him

[coarse coral]

Oh right i forgot the water thing but do remember all of these.... but just presenting the information doesnt grant much use for it? Im waiting to see why ideas are presented or how they develop atm

[latent snow]

Would of been neat to see guardians of the dark elements

[limpid wolf]

Wholly agree.

[latent snow]

I’m curious to see what this guys design of a water dragon looks like

[shadow pine]

Not sure but during development of DOTD there was concept art of Spyro fighting a massive sea serpent.

[limpid wolf]

Oh damn that's badass.

[west shoal]

Really showed how many ideas they had but couldnt implement them all

[opaque viper]

Squeak

[vague forge]

such is the way on small budget

maybe the destroyer was originally an elemental being

that would have been so cool, several phases using different elements as a body

[shadow pine]

Yeah such is the curse of crunch time in game development.

And sometimes ideas get scrapped simply because they just don't fit in the game.

[limpid wolf]

They really thought they could be Insomniac crunching out a masterpiece each year.

[shadow pine]

I don't think it had anything to do at all with that dude.

That's a big claim with no basis.

[limpid wolf]

I'm just joking.

[coarse coral]

Few can be as based

Even though insomniac themselves hated that

[ashen horizon]

Insomniac never hated those games they were just mainly focused on Ratchet and Clank anyway

[opaque viper]

Time for Tordena and Lynerius!

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-158-993174735

Also

[west shoal]

Dang! XD
Almost posted it too lol

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/lucid-nebula/art/Tordena-and-Lynerius-COMMISSION-993165433

And this.

afk

[west shoal]

"We are the leaders and voices of all ice dragons."
"We are Warfang Guard, and through our leadership, we maintain peace and order in our nation"

We don't have the same definition of "peace" and "order"

[limpid wolf]

I like the way Tordena is shown in this piece.

The artstyle well captures a "tough gal" look in her.

[limpid wolf]

Don't buy a lick of it, Vitreus, you know he's just full of it.

[west shoal]

Vit’s in vulnerable state right now, probably can’t tell who is right

[latent snow]

Like me all the time lol

[shadow pine]

"Oh did I forget to mention that we're also all a bunch of psychopaths too?"

Basically Big Brother telling Vitreus to harden the fuck up and earn daddy's respect.

Ya know who this reminds of....

Oh wait, this guy:

https://tenor.com/view/tlab-ozai-avatar-firebender-firelord-ozai-gif-21944102

As in Frossar.

Frostir meanwhile:

https://tenor.com/view/azula-atla-gif-18864291

[limpid wolf]

Vitreus should know first hand there's no earning his father's respect. With how much disdain Frossar treats him with.

[shadow pine]

That's just it, he doesn't yet. Right now he's going through that development. Especially after Isolda's chat.

[coarse coral]

They were overworked and felt they did all they could with spyro. Also the latter 2 entries have some odd padding stuff so I cant imagine they were as passionate

Man im gonna be fucked its been like 2 days and I already forgot practically everything from DI

[shadow pine]

Oh man, Insomniac absolutely loved Spyro. But that's just it. Like Naughty Dog with Crash, they were done after 3 games.

All 3 games had also done very well and made them a lot of money.

[opaque viper]

:v

[shadow pine]

Made perfect sense to move onto a new project.

[opaque viper]

Yiou know what commissions DI that i am about to do next

[shadow pine]

Which?

[opaque viper]

Lynerius's niece.

[shadow pine]

oooooh

[opaque viper]

Indra.

I would show the reference sheet but

I gotta ask permissions first.

[opaque viper]

Maybe not right time yet

[limpid wolf]

I'm still curious as to what his brother Styrmer looked like.

[west shoal]

Yeah right now he's being told one thing while he was told another by Isolda, contradicting views and he's at the very middle

[opaque viper]

SQUEAK!!

[coarse coral]

Wish people would apply this to most other franchises

[west shoal]

Awwwww… yeahh Vitreus is so broken and confused… and Frostir knows he’s got him under his thumb now…

https://www.deviantart.com/dragonoficeandfire/art/Destiny-Intertwined-Page-159-993428961

[limpid wolf]

Nooo.

Don't do it.

Also Jack is churning out pages like mad.

[latent snow]

It’s great!

[limpid wolf]

Frostir is still an evil conniving bastard though.

Gaslighting and swaying Vitreus.

[raven furnace]

I get the feeling Vit is gonna snap and end up becoming a psycho killer

[hidden depot]

NOOO

[opaque viper]

Squeak

Poor Vitreus

But manipulation worked though.

[latent snow]

Qu'est-ce que ç'est
Duh nuh nuh nuhh nuh nuh nuh nuh nuhh nuhhh

[opaque viper]

:v

[shadow pine]

It's not too late for our boi Vitreus.

He can be saved.

I can definately see him trying to win his father's approval and then having it backfire on him.

[ashen horizon]

I wanna slap Frostir so hard, boi get your claws of him

[opaque viper]

Bit too late though.

Accept your fate.

[surreal sparrow]

Or hit him with hammers

[shadow pine]

No! It's never too late! He is but a boy!

[opaque viper]

You know it

it'll be always too late :>

[shadow pine]

https://tenor.com/view/no-screaming-luke-skywalker-star-wars-gif-20161399

He hasn't done anything malicious yet

We can still save him!

[opaque viper]

https://www.deviantart.com/crazytaizy/art/Com-An-Indra-sting-gal-993699157

Well.. It's finished

Indra!

Lynerius's niece :>

[shadow pine]

Very cool!

[opaque viper]

Also

The reference sheet for indra.

[latent snow]

How much was the reference sheet?
I’ve got an idea for a character is all

[opaque viper]

From Dragonoficeandfire? :v

You could get base.

For Dragonoficeandfire commissions is closed indefinitely.

But ya. You can certainly try to commissions some of artist to let do that for you like LastKrystalDragon

For that base reference sheet

[austere urchin]

https://www.fxdeviantart.com/rail-of-light/art/Shadow-boy-Hayze-993628237

[opaque viper]

ack!

I forget to post that

[austere urchin]

https://www.fxdeviantart.com/larathefairyxerneas/art/Malefor-DI-961838865

[limpid wolf]

Excellent pieces, especially the Malefor one.

[royal oar]

Nice~

[ashen horizon]

Both are very nice 💖

[latent snow]

Lol I had a dream there was a new page

In it the older brother had his paw on Vit’s head, pushing him to the floor :o That’s all I can remember

[limpid wolf]

Not out of character for him.

[opaque viper]

:v

It'll give false reality though.

Anything can make bad happening to these character in comic.