dedicated-servers

[earnest rune]

I saw this before. Need to upgrade my Ryzen 3600x at some point as I'm bottlenecked as a player I think.

[blazing halo]

They're playing with optimising the process, and I can already see an improvement, but...

[earnest rune]

I totally get why they wouldn't support Arm as the reasons above. I just like to squeeze the stuff I can get for free .

[blazing halo]

The only real gain would be if they could really rewrite portions of it to take advantage of the ARM arch.

Then - yes, it might work.

[earnest rune]

Nice. Anyway thanks for your help! Will go and try again in Google cloud

[blazing halo]

(because ARM offers some interesting savings, so the clock of those CPUs can be very misleading)

But then again,

this would be general-purpose...

[blazing halo]

Hey, you're welcome to let us know how the costs shape on running the server there, because I'm curious. I've been thinking of doing something like that, actually.

[full vector]

until ARM desktops start pushing into gaming in a few years, game servers are likely not going to specifically a thing either, since there is typically a lot of shared work there

[blazing halo]

Well, Epic Games might show an interest there, and if they include it in their UE toolset - it might happen, and sooner than you'd expect.

[earnest rune]

Will do. Me and a friend play around 5 hours a week. I'm building a quick web interface in python to turn it on and off as well as track costs in a nice ui. I'll give u a ping when it's all working and will most likely share my code on github

[blazing halo]

Most of these things (like the fact that there's a Linux version of the server) probably happen because it's available out-of-the-box.

[earnest rune]

Early projections seem to be $4 a month roughly. If 5 hours a week played

[blazing halo]

That would be very kind of you. Thank you.

Heh. A cost per player, per hour played might be a good general estimation.

Would probably work better than a goddamn Nitrado instance...

... and be more cost-effective.

Because fuck Nitrado.

[full vector]

paying per minute or per hour is going to be better if you have low playtime, the monthly fix cost will catch up on heavier playtime though

[blazing halo]

I think this would be good for players and the community to know, to be aware that it's an option anyone can go for.

So again, thanks. Looking forward to your cost/use breakdown.

And the tools! That's always wonderful to have.

There's already a python manager for server instances,

so it might be good if it could be merged into it, have it auto-detect running on The Google.

Could be interesting.

[earnest rune]

@blazing halo At my pc now, Are you aware of a performance impact of using Docker to run the server or would you just install to the server? (Debian based)

[candid night]

Thank you

[quiet cairn]

Docker can have a performance decrease, depending on what your doing. But for the most part it's optimized really well compared to a virtual machine. I'd say it pretty negligible

[shut oxide]

Hello dud how r u ??

So today after work I wanted to play for some time, but the DS still at the same problem .

I doesn't want to load my session neither creat a new one .

[wind plume]

Docker itself is nearly negligible overhead on the scale of MB of ram.

Definitely worth the upside of having it be containerized and much easier to manage. I have been considering putting one on my kubernetes cluster

[flint juniper]

hey are mods compatible with servers yet?

[blazing halo]

As far as I know - no. You can ask in the mod Discord though.

[rigid arch]

Is this a bug? this happens on Water Extractor

[blazing halo]

Yeah, looks like it.

It's a visual bug however.

It also happens in the oil extractors - and I've seen it once or twice on refineries, so it likely affects the entire fluid chain, and is more a general "fluid input/output" bug than a particular "extractor" bug.

[mint locust]

how large are dedicated servers?

[charred atlas]

Hey everyone, here are a list of issues bugging the crap out of me on Update 5 of DS, and I am wondering if any of this is fixed in 6, and/or which of these are NOT as well known and already posted on the QA site for the devs to look in to. Listed in order of severity (i.e. hate factor; makes me not want to play SF ever again)

-MAP/COMPASS: Cannot see yourself or your friends on the map OR the compass! Like, seriously, not at all. So, so stupid. Map is missing items, only shows vehicles and stations, literally nothing else. (only happens after a certain size of factory and units and vehicles are built).

-MAP: Location of derail or stalled trains is not accurate. Can only use compass to track them down

-MAP/COMPASS: Missing items (shows only vehicles and stations, nothing else: related to the first issue)

-HYPERTUBE HANG: Hang if autosave happens to kick off while in hypertube. Rejoining the game spawns you somewhere OUTSIDE the tube at the location the server last "saw" you (which results in death of course, if the tube is high in the air... that is always a joy)

-PROGRAMMABLE SPLITTER: complete disaster, useless. Doesn't remember or apply config you set.

-BLOCK SIGNAL stops showing color after building one unit (have to re-select from build menu for EVERY placement)

[blazing halo]

What do you mean by "large"? What size are you asking about?

[blazing halo]

• Splitters: known issue

• Hypertubes: I never experienced this myself, but I've taken great care to avoid being inside a hypertube when a save is made. It was perfectly logical to me that, on a subsequent reload, the game would not have the necessary "inside hypertube" state, and would instead do the next sensible thing -- spawn me outside, wherever in the tube I happened to be. I doubt this will be fixed, to be honest - it's an underlying issue with the used technology; the fix would be too costly for the gain.

[charred atlas]

right, its subjective. I'm talking end game with nothing more to research, 20+ trains, 20+ trucks, nuke power, track and hypertubes everywhere... I could load it in SF tools to get real numbers of units. All I know is I had NO map/compass problems early in the game, only later as more and more assets were built and taxing on the system.

[blazing halo]

To clarify: I only touched upon those two subjects. I haven't encountered the other bugs you've mentioned, and haven't seen them discussed, so I can't tell you anything about them.

[charred atlas]

I dont expect spawning outside a hypertube to be "fixed", but I definitely expect the game not to lock up when in a tube during autosave. You cannot always predict and prevent this, that is not a solution at all.

[blazing halo]

Never had an issue with it "locking up" on a server.

If this happens to you in single-player play, or in listenserver play - this channel is not a good choice of place to discuss it.

In most cases, when a save hits me while I'm in a hypertube, I can't interact with stuff until the game officially spits me out (due to savetime desynchronisation).

But a hang? Never.

[blazing halo]

If your game hangs on saves in a hypertube - you'll have to report it (or check if it's already been reported). The most likely issue for you being spawned outside of the tube is that you probably get disconnected, and the server doesn't know what to do with you (similar to a situation if you, say, quit the game while inside a hypertube). This is, most likely, a game client problem.

[charred atlas]

no, I'm running a DS with 8 player limit

[blazing halo]

How long does your server take to save the game?

(it gives you a summary in the log, after each save)

[mint locust]

10-20 people?

[charred atlas]

8

[blazing halo]

If you're asking how many people a dedicated Satisfactory server will hold, the answer to that is: 4 by default.

The technology behind the game has a hard limit of 99, if I remember correctly. The game is by default set to limit the number of available slots to 4, however.

If you wish for more than 4 players, you will need to modify the .ini files to accomodate.

Do keep in mind that the limit is set this low due to the strain the replication causes (or has the potential to cause). So, if you increase this limit, you do so fully at your own discretion and entirely on your responsibility.

[blazing halo]

Do note that if your bugs only show up when there are 8 players in the server (or, well, above 4), this may count as a "won't fix" (or very low priority) due to the official limit being 4 slots. If you wish to report these bugs, it would be a good idea to confirm that they exist/can be triggered on a server configured for default gameplay settings - otherwise you may be asked to do this, or get dismissed altogether with "unsupported configuration". It would be good form on your end to put in the effort to prove that these are bugs that may affect everyone.

[stoic stream]

will they ever get mod support for dedicated servers

[tawdry marsh]

probably not, if its not built in by this point its probably not gonna happen... but who knows.

[blazing halo]

It is built into the server, actually.

The problem is elsewhere.

While both the game client and the server support mod loading - before the server was a thing, the community banded together and created "a bootstrapper" mod that makes the various mod-related utilities easily accessible to other mods... a sort of "glue" that makes stuff like adding new recipes, loading things into the game etc. easier.

Now, years later, all mods rely on that particular mod to function at all.

And that mod doesn't have a server version.

Hell, it doesn't have a Linux version, either.

And that's where the primary issue currently is: no mod will load on the server, because they all fail loading on the non-existing dependency.

If you were to download and set the modding tools up, you probably could build a mod supported on both the client and the server. But you'd need to re-invent the entire mod API from scratch to do so.

And, as I understand, the "grandpa mod" doesn't exist server-side because of a lack of proper toolchains to build it.

(since the code would be, I imagine, largely the same)

So technically the server does support mods - it's the mods that don't support the server. :D

@tawdry marsh @stoic stream ^

[tawdry marsh]

is there a question

[blazing halo]

What CSS could do, would be to contact the mod developers and incorporate their changes into the game itself, making that mod irrelevant. Afterwards, it would take rebuilding the mods without that dependency.

[blazing halo]

No, I just realised I didn't ping y'all back when answering.

hence the ^ mark, indicating "see above"

[neat robin]

All server options I see online only mention X amount of slots for Y days. Is there a site which actually mentions the cpu performance?

[blazing halo]

I doubt it... it's not in their best interests to advertise it.

[neat robin]

Saying 10 slots means nothing for satisfactory, why would anyone pay them blind

[blazing halo]

Why doesn't it?

The game can be configured for 10 slots.

[neat robin]

I need a strong server for only a few slots. And the expensive deals just say 20 instead of 10 slots for example

[blazing halo]

Well, you don't really know whether their offering is good enough for even 5. And nobody really does. Having CPU performance info would be great for you, since it would allow you to pick the clear winner. Which is why they don't do it.

[neat robin]

Are there any benchmarks?

[blazing halo]

No idea, and I doubt the hosters would want to release that sort of info, either.

But then, I self-host.

Maybe someone else here can give you a better idea.

[neat robin]

I cant believe how stupid this is. Its like buying meat and the butcher doesnt tell you from which animal or which part

And everyone is fine with it

[blazing halo]

Do you think they would if the regulations didn't require them to?

[neat robin]

The sellers with the non dog shit cpus would probably share that info

[blazing halo]

Would they? Because if they did, then they'd have to actually maintain that standard.

If you don't say it, you don't have any real obligations to keep to it.

This way they can swap you out, or throttle you, without even having to mention anything to you.

[neat robin]

Then why would any server host not rip you off?

[blazing halo]

IIRC when u6 came out, the bigger hosters immediately offered it as an option - but didn't increase RAM (u6 needs more), so things were really unstable for a while.

(read: shit kept crashing OOM)

[blazing halo]

Well, my view is that all of them do, and this is why I self-host.

For instance, ARK and CONAN both have an advert for Nitrado right in their server picker UI. They didn't put 'em there because they offer the best service - from what I gather, Nitrado is quite shitty, and hostile to consumers on top. No, they put it there because Nitrado paid them to.

[neat robin]

Self hosting is like buying an ice truck to eat some ice cream for 1 summer. Its not worth to buy and sell it after 2 month

you lose too much money

[blazing halo]

I don't know... being able to administer it myself, knowing exactly what is in it, having full control over when it's up... I get that I'm paying a bit more for power, but I can run a number of servers if I wish to.

I think it's worth it, for me.

Nobody said I only host Satisfactory, after all.

And contrary to popular belief, running a server isn't that expensive. Your networking equipment already runs 24/7. You're basically adding some 200W in total (worst-case 100%-all-the-time utilisation scenario; practically it's usually 10% of that, though the energy floor can be anywhere between 60 and 85 W, depending on the hardware - I used 85 W in my calculations).

That's between 60 (typ.) and 150 (max.) kWh monthly. That's $10 - $24/mo, if you already own the hardware.

Yes, that price is 2.6x higher if you happen to be in urban Hawaii (1.5x for LA and NY).

(that's according to bls.gov btw. --> h ttps://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices_selectedareas_table.htm)

Yes, there are various things you need to consider (like replacing aging and/or failed hardware, or expansion options), but for the most part? Meh. Your server doesn't need a GPU so you can throw in the shittiest one you can find for it to pass POST (or better yet - a CPU with a built-in iGPU), and it can get by with just 1 disk (SATA SSD on the cheap, NVMe SSD if you want more performance). If your machine doesn't have an NVMe M.2 socket, you can get a PCIe card for $10 that'll provide you one - there's usually an extra PCIe slot that's wired as either 8x or 4x. Getting 32 GB of DDR3 (or even DDR4) should absolutely not be a problem, either - and if you've been gaming for a while, you probably have chips gathering dust (hell, you probably have a machine that needs some cleaning to be ready to go).

I use an old i7-4770 CPU (w/ iGPU) to host mine.

[reef pagoda]

Hello, does anyone know how the dedicated server works in satisfactory? (Let's take epic games as an example, where there is a dedicated server tool.) I take it to mean that you run it on your own PC or the online server of epic games? So if you turn off the PC, does the server continue to work?

[rotund folio]

Hello 😉 If I build a vehicle on the dedicated server and drive off, a ghost car stays there, which is also not usable. like a hologram. Why is that? Is there a solution?

[blazing halo]

It's a visual bug. Ignore it.

[blazing halo]

You run it on a PC you own and/or have access to.

If you shut the PC down, it will also stop the server - it can't run with the PC off.

If you don't have a PC that is available 24/7, you can purchase a virtual server somewhere, or - dare I say it - use one of the many "game servers" offered by various companies on-line.

The last option is the most cost-effective, usually, but you'll also be limited in how much you can actually do with it (in some cases, even getting your savegames may be difficult and/or impossible).

It's a trade-off, really.

[rotund folio]

I set up a 2 PC as a server at home. There steamCMD runs with the Satisfactory Dedicated Server. My router is linked to my domain via DynDNS and can therefore always be reached, even if my IP on the router changes. There is a great tutorial for a dedicated server with Satisfactory on Youtube (German) (Windows, Steam and SteamCMD)

[blazing halo]

Okay... Why are you telling me this?

And I would like to point out that the Wiki writeup is perfectly lucid and usable to set the server up. Not to mention that the server is really simple to set up in itself. It may be the easiest of all that I've ever done, actually. If you go with the defaults, it's literally the install command, the launch command, and the port forwards. That's it.

[rigid arch]

So uh, we've got stuck with car under a map. Do you guys know if there's any way to delete the marker

or the car that fell under the map

[blazing halo]

You can probably use a save editor. I haven't used the online one (which, I think, is the only one working for u6 right now) to delete anything, but maybe?

There is a "floor" of sorts, since there is a point at which you're no longer falling... but I don't think it's reachable without a trainer program in SP. More to the point, you'd still need to set up foundations as you went along, since there's nothing to stand on down there, and you'd need to stabilise to be able to remove the offending vehicle (I don't recall the removal tool working while falling, though I don't recall trying either).

[rigid arch]

i see

[blazing halo]

I don't know if there's a trainer for u6, either. I know there's one for u5, but they did say they wouldn't be releasing one for experimental, mainly because it's expected to change quite a bit (as development happens).

At least not until it reaches EA and goes stable again, anyway.

[bright pasture]

How do you make the dedicated server docker to become the right server version? Im using ich777's satisfactory docker... It says game server version 195135 and server version 188609

[quick mist]

By either removing Docker as a needless abstraction layer and following the branch selection directions in the Wiki, or by figuring out how to make your Docker implementation follow same.

[cosmic arch]

Soo I figured out, why the Server crashes

@blazing halo

well i was there, when the Server restarted. And then it didnt boot up.

[earnest rune]

@blazing halo made some good progress this weekend on the Google cloud server project with web UI. Got it running for a friend and am looking at making it friendly for others to deploy now

[vivid compass]

didstopia/satisfactory-server works for me.
Bot deleted my last message because of the dockerhub link 😅

[snow sandal]

As we hit late game we are starting too experience quite a bit of lag

mostly movement lagg

is this normal?

we are giving it 12GB of ram and 4 cores

the movement lag can be described as anytime we stop moving it is like we get teleported a couple steps in a random direction

as well as rubberbanding

[placid grail]

hey can someone help me setup my dedicated server?

I've done all the port fowarding and I use epic

I know that the server itself is running right now

but sometimes it lets me connect to it, then does this

I can vc if anyone is available to explain

would be greatly apreciated

[placid grail]

nobody came 😢

[bright pasture]

Thanks. That docker worked

[bright pasture]

I get that error too, but i just reconnect and it let me login the second time. I use satisfactory-server docker. Maybe ask the guys in github for that docker? Maybe its only an error in experimental

[blazing halo]

Did you allow all of the required ports in the firewall? These are 7777, 15000, 15777 - all UDP. There's clearly some communication going, since you can see the server's name, that you're logged in as an admin, and the "Game Ongoing" indication - but can't connect to the game itself. This makes me think that port 15000 is open properly, but the others may not be.

[blazing halo]

Soooo... are you going to share your findings? Or did you just want to taunt me? ;D

[blazing halo]

Anything I can look at? Screenshots would do, since I don't actually have a compute account. Whet our appetite. :D

[charred atlas]

Even when I'm the only one in game, the issue persists, and other players that join all have the same issue (map and compass royally broken)

HOWEVER... we also just discovered that if we power down the entire grid, then shut down the server, then start it back up and join the server with NO machines powered and running, the map and compass suddenly work fine again. To me, this seems like a system load/computational limit. It clearly cannot handle the load. 1000+ machines producing when powered.

PC: core i7-9700K CPU @ 3.60GHz
32GB RAM

Should NOT be an issue

I'm going to try and glean all I can before submitting a bug, including running the game from a different physical server, etc.

[blazing halo]

A thousand machines isn't that much...

[charred atlas]

agreed. Map is wussy

[quick mist]

A post with those details and whatnot would probably be good to make on the QA site.

[blazing halo]

Especially with a i7-9700K... like, what the hell. I run this on an i7-4770 and I only get lags/rubberbanding when the server saves.

[mental locust]

@blazing halo I run it on a i9 server

@placid grail need help?

[cosmic arch]

I shared them. Whenever the server does a restart. Ans i am talking the automatic one,, he crashes

[blazing halo]

Ah. So you didn't figure out why it crashes, you figured out when it crashes.

Any logs to share?

[alpine relic]

Automatic save crashes the server?

has anyone encountered this?

[candid night]

Where is the server save data stored ? I don't find it under factory game. I'm using the steam CMD

I think I found d it. It was hidden under appdata

[blazing halo]

Yeah, it's in the user profile for the OS you're using. :/

[blazing halo]

Logs?

[candid night]

Yea. I forgot thst I hadn't enabled hidden folders on my server computer computer

[blazing halo]

I sincerely hope they at some point add a param to change the location of the save files, because damn not being able to change it is dumb.

[charred hound]

What?

[blazing halo]

Connection timed out. ;)

It means that either side of the connection didn't correctly respond within 30 seconds of the last correct communication packet, and so the connection was considered "broken" and was closed.

[charred hound]

Fix it? I restarted Steam

[blazing halo]

I have no idea what is wrong. Where do you have your server?

[charred hound]

It was good, thanks

[charred hound]

schokbyte

[blazing halo]

Then please follow up with Shockbyte.

[cosmic arch]

ahh crap. I forgot to share my findings. Okay what I realised, was, that when the Server srestarts daily it crashes and then is dosnt start up again

[blazing halo]

I actually had that problem. It seems to have resolved itself, however.

Or, rather, I had another problem: that when it exited, it didn't actually terminate properly.

So it was persisting in its crashed, yet still running state.

(not fully able to crash, not able to restart itself, and not able to exit so that the script could restart it)

[blazing halo]

If it crashes, you can set it inside an infinite loop to restart it (on linux, something like while true; do ./StartServer.sh; sleep 5; done should do).

(replace ./StartServer.sh with whatever launch command you use)

[blazing halo]

It would still be nice to see some logs, to know why it crashed.

[cosmic arch]

Yep

It shouldnt crash though

I might as well just add a ceonjob for lgsm to check every 5 minutes, if the server is started

[bright pasture]

I never had that error on ich777 satisfactory docker but there i only ran it as default and not experimental.

[blazing halo]

Well, it's not like it's a specific error... It could indicate anything from a broken route, the server crashing, or even the hoster's datacenter going dark.

All it says is literally that the connection timed out. It doesn't specify why, because it doesn't have any way of knowing that. The game client could perform additional checks (like checking if the server is still reachable, and if not - doing a preliminary traceroute, and so on), but... why? There are tools that do it better, and if you don't know how to use them - the results won't tell you much anyway.

[mental locust]

When it happend to kne of my players I adjusted the time out time

And it worked

[blazing halo]

Does adjusting just the server-side timeout time work?

I fully expected the change to only work when adjusted on both ends of the connection.

[mental locust]

It did for me

[blazing halo]

Interesting...

It would imply that the server passes this value on. Otherwise, the client would still time-out after 30 seconds.

[mental locust]

Idk he could try it and see if it works.

[blazing halo]

Well, he's hosting with a third-party, paid-for hosting service, so whatever is causing the issue - he needs to resolve it with them.

[mental locust]

Question what's the difference with running it in docker and pterodactyl

Yep

I'm wondering how far the server is from him? Like in a different country?

[blazing halo]

From what r/selfhosted says - Pterodactyl is a UI wrapper around Docker, intending to simplify the management and make it more user-friendly (perhaps casual-friendly is the right term?).

[mental locust]

Awww ok. I decided to host skyrim together on my server too

[blazing halo]

Hmm... Skyrim is pretty boring by itself. Does adding friends improve it? xD

[mental locust]

Yessss

[blazing halo]

I mean, beyond having a laugh-buddy for the multitude of bugs? xD

Been thinking of doing an Oblivion playthough, just so I could exploit the hell out of the enchantment/alchemy ladder, seeing how fast it crashes on my current rig.

[mental locust]

I love pterodactyl it makes it easy to host multiple instances and easy to restart instances on updates

[blazing halo]

One word to that: meh. I doubt it can automate the more complicated things (like updating mods), and everything else I can just do myself just as easily. Plus, it does prevent you from re-using space by launching multiple instances of the same code.

I mean, it's probably a great beginner tool, but...

[mental locust]

That's fine I have plenty of ram and space

[blazing halo]

Well, I don't. 32 GB of memory is the max I can have on this platform.

(the CPU, as far as I know, can't handle 16G memory sticks, and all 16G sticks I've seen are ECC sticks intended for servers (and the CPU doesn't support ECC either))

(not to mention that they're somewhat expensive, even today; I'd sooner switch to a DDR4 platform if I really needed the extra RAM)

[mental locust]

I saw a server with 194 gigs of ram 500$

[blazing halo]

Meh, I'll probably upgrade my "server" hardware when I swap out the motherboard I'm using for my current gaming rig.

I'll spring for the 16G sticks then.

Though I doubt I'll switch to Docker even then, really. Running everything plain is often much more of a challenge (especially if you can't just pull a Docker image out of thin air... or github, as the case may be :D), but it's something I actually enjoy doing.

It may not be as elegant as a containerized solution, true... but I like pushing my stuff to do more.

[mental locust]

Lol 🙂

[blazing halo]

... what?

[bright pasture]

I got both R720 with 2,2 ghz and R710 with 2,6 ghz. The R710 have 50 tickrate and R720 has only 25.

[mental locust]

Tired and work soon

[placid grail]

ok Ima retry to connect right now

[blazing halo]

OK.

[placid grail]

I got it, im in

but not in a game yet

now i want to create the game

[blazing halo]

Okay. So we can confirm that some communication is possible.

Is your average tick rate stuck at 29?

[placid grail]

ping says 0ms

idk where tick rate at

[blazing halo]

The last entry on the list.

[placid grail]

yes it stays at 29

rn

[blazing halo]

Well, that's not great...

What sort of hardware is the server machine running?

Is it running on the same PC you're playing on?

[placid grail]

ik i got a 1060 3gb i got scammed 😔

[blazing halo]

Why?

[placid grail]

nevermind

is that what u meant?

[blazing halo]

Anyway, you're running the server on the same computer you game on?

[placid grail]

yes

[blazing halo]

Why?

[placid grail]

beacause i don't have another one just for a server

[blazing halo]

Why are you running the dedicated server at all?

[placid grail]

to be able to play with friends and to let them connect when im not online

[blazing halo]

Ok.

[placid grail]

thx for the help btw ❤️

[blazing halo]

Sure, sure.

Your PC is going to struggle though.

[placid grail]

oh I thought it could run it fine... but idk, if you say so then maybe ill opt for just no dedicated server

just the ancient multiplayer way

the server just closed

[blazing halo]

Especially if you're running u6.

The server itself needs about 10 GB of memory,

[young sinew]

Hey, just wanted to chime in here. @snow sandal and myself have progressed to late game and this server eats RAM

[blazing halo]

and the game uses 3 GB in the menu, before joining the game.

You have 16 GB of RAM available. Your PC is going to struggle.

[blazing halo]

Can you show me the last lines of the server log?

[blazing halo]

It kinda looks like it's running though...

[placid grail]

and my only way to rerun it is to close it and relaunch it from epix

oh well, I will wait for my new pc and just go with the ancient multiplayer way

[blazing halo]

Try adding -multihome=0.0.0.0 to the server launch parameters. It should force it to use IPv4 exclusively.

[placid grail]

do I do that in the epic app?

[blazing halo]

No clue. :D

If you launch it from the Epic launcher, then probably yes.

[placid grail]

u mean like if you were adding a command before launching an app from steam?

[young sinew]

You are using the epic launcher to host a dedicated server?

[placid grail]

yes

[young sinew]

soo idk what OS you are running or what you are doing. But, you can login anonymous using SteamCMD if you use a server type OS

Ubuntu Server for example

[blazing halo]

He's on Windows.

[young sinew]

awe okay

[blazing halo]

SteamCMD works on Windows as well, but he chose to go with Epic.

[placid grail]

all i can do on epic on a game is this

cant enter a command

[loud minnow]

yeah epic is trash IMO for hosting the server

[blazing halo]

You know what?

Remove the dedicated server from Epic. Uninstall it.

[young sinew]

you can use steamcmd on windows

login anonymous

[blazing halo]

There is a link on top of this Discord channel

there is the Wiki

[young sinew]

I wouldn't deal with epic lol

yup lol

[blazing halo]

in the Wiki, you will be instructed on how to set it up via steamcmd

[young sinew]

I can confirm you can host using steamcmd and connect with epic

I use Steam to play SF but @snow sandal uses epic to play with me hosting a steamcmd server

[blazing halo]

Well, the game uses straight-up network connections, so it doesn't matter which platform you use to host it.

[placid grail]

I would do that, but is it worth it with my pc?

[loud minnow]

you can try it is free to try lol

[placid grail]

like should I try even though u just said that it would strggle

[young sinew]

I mean....

I would give it a go. But it might struggle toward late game

I apologize for not staying in the loop on this conversation....

Is this a dedicated machine? or are you playing and hosting

[blazing halo]

I think it'll struggle anyway, since the server will eat up 10 GB regardless, and the game will add its own 8.

But trying is free.

[placid grail]

im trying to do everything on the same machine I don't have another one

[young sinew]

I have to agree with @blazing halo if that is the case... But that doesn't mean you can't try

I guess the benefit would be not running the actual game so that others can join you. Otherwise if you are playing and hosting on the same machine... It has to be on regardless. But, I haven't played with much of the multiplayer way of things. I have only ever hosted a dedicated server..

[placid grail]

ok thanks guys, I'll try steamcmd for fun

see if it works

[loud minnow]

i would happily host a sever for you or anyone in here but im in the US and from the look of it you're from the other side of the pond lol

[blazing halo]

France, I think.

[loud minnow]

yeah lol

[placid grail]

im NY time wtf

montreal

[blazing halo]

Your shit's in French. xD

[placid grail]

ye i speak french in canada

[young sinew]

I would offer but I have a-synchronous internet.... so I have a whopping amount of 17mb upload.....

barely get by as it is hahaha

[loud minnow]

ohhh well i live in California i can host a server for you if you would like i have a 1Gpbs connection here so let me know

[blazing halo]

In the US, right?

[young sinew]

Yes

[placid grail]

bro you don't have to do this for a random on the internet ill be good

[blazing halo]

I find it hilarious that the US is behind literally everyone else on this particular thing. :D

[young sinew]

Good ole DOCSIS3.0

[blazing halo]

Jesus, that's ancient. xD

[young sinew]

coax

yessir

I live down in the bible belt soo these southern states are a struggle

[loud minnow]

i know but i have a seperate machine 3950X and 64Gb of 3466 ddr4 ram kit so i have plenty of power and i enjoy hosting server is is hobby for me

[blazing halo]

I'm in Poland and I have synchronous gigabit, with the option for 10 for an extra $5/mo.

[young sinew]

holy crap

[placid grail]

thx for the offer ace, ill decline

[young sinew]

I just want gig up and down

[blazing halo]

Gigabit up/down for something like $16/mo.

[young sinew]

Alright I gotta pick your brain for a second. you are saying 10g up and down?

[blazing halo]

The US is rekt in this particular aspect.

[blazing halo]

I'm saying I have the option, yes. I don't have the hardware for it.

[young sinew]

yeah I was about to say

most network ports unless you buy specifically for that don't even support 10g

not to mention doing that over copper isn't the best idea

Soo I ran cat5e over my lab so I can't even run anything higher than 1gig to begin with

I wish I would have run something better or even fiber conduit

[blazing halo]

Yeah, unfortunately hardware is a pain. I mean, I could get a switch that supports that over copper (and my cabling is 10GbE ready, believe it!), but it'd ruin me something like $1000 for the switch, and I'd still need a) network cards (about $100 a pop), and b) a router that can actually deal with 10 GbE (and good luck with that).

[young sinew]

$$$$

[blazing halo]

As-is, I could possibly get 2.5 GbE internally, but that's it.

I did experiments with dual NICs and various bonding modes, and I did manage 1.8 Gb...

... but Windows didn't want to bite.

[young sinew]

I had a juniper 2300c I bought second hand. It could handle dual 10g fiber ports and it was north of $2300 retail

soo yeah it gets bad

[blazing halo]

Linux did, FreeBSD did... Windows, nope.

[young sinew]

man I am jealous though

[blazing halo]

I even actually managed to get the Intel driver for the dual-NIC card I have, and it does support bonding (in Windows, it's "teaming"), but it does not support mode 1 (I think), so I'm SoL on that front.

[young sinew]

I pay for 17mbup/1gigdown with a static IP and its $110 a month... on nasty old DOCSIS

[blazing halo]

At least you have a static IP.

[young sinew]

MY ONLY OTHER OPTION is 25up,75down over DSL

[blazing halo]

Static public IPs are made of unobtanium over here.

[young sinew]

oo dang

[blazing halo]

You can only get one if you're a business entity, on a business contract.

[young sinew]

My cost is a bit higher because it is Business Internet.

[blazing halo]

Unavailable for consumers.

[young sinew]

yeah well that is why I have it

[blazing halo]

But eh, a little bit of DDNS magic, and it works okay.

[young sinew]

But man I am jealous

[loud minnow]

i hear you i have 1Gbps down/ 40Mbps up with Spectrum beause that all they offer in my area with 1Gpbs for 129 USD

[young sinew]

I feel you ACE

I really wish I could afford dual ISP because mine goes out often for it to be business internet....

[blazing halo]

Well, pester your damn senators and whoever.

I get this sort of Internet access because the EU decided that all its citizens should have phat pipes.

[young sinew]

Southern US is probably the worst

[loud minnow]

yeah fios here can get you 2.5Gbps down and up but not where i live 😦 i would get that in a heartbeat lol

[blazing halo]

Meanwhile, the US is split between 4 humongous monopolies that stay tf out of each other's way.

[young sinew]

Yeah.... ATT is apparently laying fiber around parts of my area but not mine

They keep trying to get me to switch over and I just ask them every time "you got fiber yet"

[blazing halo]

I can get three different cables over here, with four more wireless/radio options.

[young sinew]

that is nice

[blazing halo]

One of 'em even offers gigabit, supposedly.

[young sinew]

Well even having that as a backup

would be nice

[blazing halo]

But yeah, this is free but regulated market.

Regulated, so that consumers get options and nobody gets too powerful.

Y'all wanted free unregulated, thinking it a great idea?

Well, that's what y'all have.

[young sinew]

The funny part is, THATS SUPPOSE TO BE BETTER

[blazing halo]

It never is.

[young sinew]

but whatevs

[snow sandal]

mm

[blazing halo]

If the market is unrestrained to pursue profit at the cost of everything else,

[young sinew]

sorry I digress. don't want to get into politics lol

[blazing halo]

it will pursue profit at the cost of everything else.

[young sinew]

I am just mega jealous @blazing halo

Sounds like I need to speak to the wife tonight about moving to Poland 😉

[blazing halo]

Well, I'm jealous of the fact that you don't have to add $250 to every damn PC part you purchase. :D

[young sinew]

ooo yeah....

[blazing halo]

Because seriously.

[young sinew]

see I am numb to that

[blazing halo]

Loaf of bread: $1 = 1 PLN

GPU: $300 = ... uhhh, 4800 PLN

... wtf.

[young sinew]

$300 GPU? shoot not anymore

[blazing halo]

Yeah, I know.

[young sinew]

that gets you like a 5 year old gtx 1050 2gb

[snow sandal]

my 1660Ti is 280$ lol

[blazing halo]

But yeah, ours went up to 13000 PLN.

[young sinew]

well yeah it is has come down

[blazing halo]

The average monthly income is something like 4000 PLN, so realistically you have 500~800 PLN free to put away towards something like a GPU.

I could do a 3600 PLN GPU over time... but 13000? NO.

I could buy a used car in working condition for that money.

[young sinew]

man those increments hurt my brain. Although, I don't have many brain cells left anywho

[blazing halo]

What pisses me off is that people still bought them.

Taking loans and shit.

IDIOTS.

All that does is teach the companies that we're willing to pay those prices.

And that was 13 000 if you were willing to wait a few months.

If you wanted one immediately, the scalpers charged 25 000.

[young sinew]

Well, consumers.... sorry I didn't mean to get into this on this chat lol

but I feel your frustrations

all they way from the US

[blazing halo]

... yeah.

[snow sandal]

🤡 = scalpers

[blazing halo]

The prices are coming down, but a 3060 still costs 4000.

That shit should be no more than 2800, since it's a low-end budget gaming card.

You want a 3080, that's 7500 right now.

What a clusterfuck.

So I'm still on my 1080.

I got it when it came out, soo... what, 6 years old now?

5? Something like that.

Everyone's like RTX ON

and I'm like - damn, WALLET OFF

_<

[young sinew]

Money? oo who cares

debt

hahahha

joking of course

[blazing halo]

But hey. On the positive side, I have no debts. At all.

No loans, no credit. Nothing.

I could sell the flat and disappear, knowing nobody will try very hard to find me. :)

So there's that.

[jagged robin]

does anybody here have a server that i can join

[young sinew]

@blazing halo I am trying to get to that my guy

[placid grail]

hey you guys still there?

@blazing halo @young sinew could you help for a little thing?

[blazing halo]

?

[placid grail]

so I installed steamcmd and runned it with windows command prompt

know i want to run this command

but it doesn't work

[blazing halo]

Expand on "doesn't work".

[placid grail]

command not found

[blazing halo]

Yeah, well, you're trying to call steamcmd from within steamcmd.

So yeah, it won't work.

;P

[placid grail]

so i just do +force installdir and the else after?

[blazing halo]

Yeah.

[blazing halo]

Also

if you run -beta public (or nothing), you'll get u5.

If you want u6, it needs to be -beta experimental instead.

[placid grail]

ok ok it's good thx

i needed that

[blazing halo]

Try to include the + in front of the command.

I never tried it this way, tbh.

[blazing halo]

The + thing is used when called outside of steamcmd.

Okay, then quit

[placid grail]

ok so i reopen another command prompt

[blazing halo]

(it will close steamcmd and drop you back into CMD)

[placid grail]

ok

[blazing halo]

If you're in CMD again, you can use the full command.

[placid grail]

it did that

[blazing halo]

Though I would be more specific.

[placid grail]

do i re quit?

[blazing halo]

No.

This is OK.

[placid grail]

that should do the work then?

[blazing halo]

C:\steamcmd\steamcmd.exe +force_install_dir "C:\GameServers\Satisfactory_u5" +login anonymous +app_update 1690800 -beta public validate +quit

(this way if you want to install u6 in the future, you don't have to go out of your way to rename the previous one)

[placid grail]

what about that little character then? i cant delete it

[wintry flax]

thats the command prompt.. you won't be able to remove it.

[blazing halo]

Just take this this command and run it straight.

(also, this command will work regardless of where you're located in CMD, since it includes absolute (i.e. full) paths)

(no, I'm not about to explain any of that shit xD)

[wintry flax]

LOL

[blazing halo]

I'd be here for the next hour if I did. xD

[placid grail]

WAIT IT SAYS u5

:_(

[blazing halo]

Yes, because -beta public is u5

[placid grail]

fuk do i wait for it to install then delete it or something? i want u6

[blazing halo]

If you want experimental, I propose:
C:\steamcmd\steamcmd.exe +force_install_dir "C:\GameServers\Satisfactory_u6_experimental" +login anonymous +app_update 1690800 -beta experimental validate +quit

You can hit Ctrl+C to abort.

(you will need to delete the folder manually)

[placid grail]

shit ur a genius

[blazing halo]

Nah, I just been doin' dis shit for the past 20 years dawg.

REMEMBER the install command, my dude.

Save it somewhere.

Because this command is exactly the same one you will use to update your server.

(it essentially tells steamcmd to install the server, but steamcmd is smart you see - it'll see there's something already there, check it out, and download only the shit it needs to bring it up-to-date)

[placid grail]

u mean when there's a new patch on the game, to download it to the server, I run this command again?

[blazing halo]

Yes.

[placid grail]

ok thx

[blazing halo]

To easily start the server, I will recommend you go into its folder and copy the .bat file that's there

(I'm on Linux, so I don't know it looks like, but it will probably have a name like StartServer or similar)

Make a copy, because if you edit the original, it will get overwritten when you update the server, and any changes you make will be lost.

Once you have the copy, you can open it in a text editor and add things. Like -multihome=0.0.0.0 for example... ;P

• and then start it by double-clicking that file.

That should be it.

Closing the server will involve pushing Ctrl+C in the server's window that pops up (you may need to hit it one more time when it completes shutdown).

(though I suppose you can hit the [X] button to close the window itself...

like I said, I'm on Linux, and I no longer remember how to do this on Windows xD)

The defaults should be the same, and the server will remember where it had its saves and so on.

(the one upside to having it default in AppData)

[placid grail]

so I don't do what they tell me in the wiki. ok

[blazing halo]

This will probably be a touch easier.

You can make a shortcut to that file somewhere more easily accessible.

[placid grail]

desktop would be appreciated

haha

where the .bat at?

I guess the thing running it will be .exe

do I copy the FactoryServer.exe instead @blazing halo

[blazing halo]

pfeh

they didn't include one.

That's a shame.

Make a new .txt file, name it something like LaunchServer_u6_experimental.cmd. Right-click, select the action to 'Edit' - it should open in a text editor.

[placid grail]

I do this in the satisfactory_u6_experimental folder then make a copy on my desktop then edit?

[blazing halo]

I do this in the satisfactory_u6_experimental folder
Yes

then make a copy on my desktop then edit
No

Edit in situ.

Since they didn't provide one, you don't need to worry about it getting overwritten on update.

Once you've made the file and opened it for editing, add something like this:

@echo off
c:\gameservers\satisfactory_u6_experimental\FactoryServer.exe -multihome=0.0.0.0

and save the file.

That should do it. Launch the server by double-clicking the newly-made file.

[placid grail]

what is @ echo off for?

oups

[quick mist]

all it does is make is such that when running the script you do not see the actual commands printed to the terminal

[blazing halo]

I suppose it wouldn't really make a difference with or without it, in this case...

I included it out of habit. xD

I should really also add something like "$1" "$2" "$3" "$4" "$5" "$6" "$7" "$8" "$9" at the end, but meh.

[quick mist]

yeah, I can count on zero hands the number of completed batch files I've written over the years that don't have @ECHO OFF as the first command

it's not at all the same thing as a shebang line on a POSIX script but it just as omnipresent

[placid grail]

ok im launching the game, then the server

[blazing halo]

Start with the server.

[placid grail]

how do I get the logs?

I can't know if it launched

[blazing halo]

If it launches correctly,

the new terminal window should stay open.

[placid grail]

it is staying open 😄

[blazing halo]

If you ever need the logs, they're in the server's folder

under FactoryGame/Saved/... somewhere in there

xD

probably Config/Logs or something.

Or maybe just /Logs.

Anyway, somewhere in there.

[placid grail]

LETS GO im connected in game, now my only worry isa that it crashes if I create a game

my game freezes hard while i see the world loading 😬

a it crashed

[blazing halo]

Advance preditiction: OOM

Show us the latest log.

[placid grail]

can't I have the logs in a cmd prompt that updates every time?

[blazing halo]

Don't send us screenshots.

Take the file and drag it here.

[quick mist]

It is standard practice for server processes to write logs to a file - sometimes in addition to writing logs to a terminal session.

[blazing halo]

Okay, there's nothing here. So it will instead be in a CrashReport.

You need to look around a bit, they'll be somewhere near there.

[placid grail]

ye I sent the crash report and restarted the game

[blazing halo]

Wait, did the server crash, or did the game crash?

[placid grail]

the game lol

[blazing halo]

Ohh.

[placid grail]

sorry

[blazing halo]

Probably also OOM, but you need to look for the game log somewhere else.

[placid grail]

that's something I foiund

[blazing halo]

Yeah, since the server didn't crash, there's no crash log for the server.

Ugh.

Anyone know where the Epic version of the game keeps its crash logs?

(I assume it's in the same place, but...)

[placid grail]

do we really need them?

[quick mist]

I don't know that they're kept longer than it takes to send them in to CSS

that should be automagic

[blazing halo]

hmmm

[blazing halo]

We don't really, but it would be nice to have it confirmed.

[placid grail]

i reconnected to the server (that was still open)

and the tick rate is 30

[blazing halo]

Try again, and once it crashes - copy the text it will have in that window, then paste it here.

[placid grail]

ok

Can i know what the tick rate is?

[blazing halo]

Long story short - it's like FPS, but for the server.

[placid grail]

so the more there is the better

so 30 is really poor

[blazing halo]

No, it's usually capped at 30.

[quick mist]

30 is the default cap

it's the number of physics updates per second essentially

[blazing halo]

Essentially, everything in the game (calculating, sending data etc.) happens on a tick.

So if it says 30, it means that all of that happens 30 times/sec

Which means, it needs to do all of its shit in 1/30th of a sec to keep up that rate.

If it lags, tick rate will drop.

[blazing halo]

Well, that's very __un__informative as well, for some reason.

How about you go to Task Manager and look at the RAM graph?

[placid grail]

ok ill reconnect again

[blazing halo]

If it goes up to the ceiling and then sharply drops (and the game crashes), that's a good indicator.

[placid grail]

which graph?

[blazing halo]

Memory.

[placid grail]

retrying

the cmd window of the server is always running tho

it never closed

oh shit

I thought I'd never make it

im in

memory stable at 80%

[blazing halo]

But in general - yeah, it's clearly an OOM crash when it happens.

(OOM = Out of Memory)

You can always add some more RAM, you know. Even adding 4 GB should help, at this point (though +8 would be better); consult your current situation to know what configuration would be best (it'll either be a 2x 2 GB or a 2x 4 GB, unless you already have 4x 4 GB in which case you'll want to replace two of them with a 2x 8 GB).

[placid grail]

I'll just build an entirely knew pc with a friend by the end of summer

[blazing halo]

That also works.

But if you have slots free, adding 2x 2 or 2x 4 would be useful now, and should be relatively cheap.

I can see a G.SKILL set, 4x 2 GB, for something like $20 on eBay.

Expect similar prices on 2 GB modules in general. ;P

... and on 4 GB modules as well, as far as I can see.

@placid grail you can load your single-player save into the server and continue it there ;P though it probably will demand more RAM... xD

(not much more, but more)

Still, running it in this state isn't viable in the long-term (when you set it up for Internet accessibility and a friend joins in, it'll probably crash xD). But you've learned something, yay! :D

[placid grail]

indeed my friend indeed

I just tried to close the server by going in the cmd thingy (the file I created) and doing ctrl+C

didn't work

[blazing halo]

Try again.

[placid grail]

so I closed it with the X

[blazing halo]

Ah.

That probably worked. xD

[placid grail]

well in game it doesn't say server offline

waity ill try something

[blazing halo]

It's offline. xD

[placid grail]

bruh i just rejoined the game

[blazing halo]

Uhhh...

Are you sure you closed the server?

[placid grail]

as if it was running ya know

[blazing halo]

Or did you load into the single-player game? xD

[placid grail]

no no it was on the server manager

[blazing halo]

If you rejoined it, it must still be running.

[placid grail]

yes, but I closed the cmd window

[blazing halo]

Weird.

[blazing halo]

So go to Server Manager

select the server, go into the Console tab

and send exit

[placid grail]

ok I guess I'll do that everytime I want to close it

[blazing halo]

Point of note: it probably won't save the game if you do it that way, so I'd strongly advise you to

a) configure the server to save the game when a player leaves

and then

b) leave the server before telling it to shut down, so it has a chance to save.

[placid grail]

that's what I did 😉

[blazing halo]

coo'

[placid grail]

now, something even weirder is happening

I try to relauch the same cmd (the file u told me to make) and it crashes after 10 seconds

[blazing halo]

Close the game.

;P

[placid grail]

aaaaa

[blazing halo]

You're still running out of memory. xD

(only this time, it's the server, due to the order of execution)

[placid grail]

no it still crashes

???

[blazing halo]

Log plz.

[blazing halo]

It was not.

The one without a date/time is always the current log.

[placid grail]

that's the _2 one

[blazing halo]

Still not the right one.

[placid grail]

HERE'S THE BIG BOY

[blazing halo]

[2022.07.18-17.43.19:533][917]LogServerConnection: Closing by request

[placid grail]

ah ah ah there it is

[blazing halo]

This is the log where you sent exit to it.

So hm, probably in the crash reports?

[placid grail]

[2022.07.18-17.43.25:289][918]LogExit: Preparing to exit.

[bright pasture]

You guys have been active:)

[placid grail]

there's this 5 lines before the end

idk where i find the crash reports

[blazing halo]

Okay, aborting this.

I need to lie down at some point.

[placid grail]

ye man you're too generous

[blazing halo]

We know it's OOM, so I'm giving up on finding definitive proof.

As to why it's crashing now... no clue. Probably still OOM somehow.

If you ever find the crash log for the server, ping me with it.

Good luck.

[placid grail]

good luck to you

not OOM the memory is not peeking at all when trying to launch but o well whatever

[placid grail]

it's ok my pc want into a black screen and now I restared it and it works

it's just that OOM happens too often

[vagrant raft]

what are the recommended specs for a server?

[vagrant raft]

oh my bad im using a portrait monitor for discord so i didnt see that thank you for letting me know i really appreciate it

[willow helm]

Anyone have experience with if I add more memory to the dedicated server if the auto saves won't take 30sec each time 😋 got 10gb now and we use all 10 and we are 165 hours into the save currently and just over 7mb save file

[twilit fox]

get a better cpu.

unless you have 10G of ram somehow, and you're using 10G... then yes more memory.

but your dedi is almost to the point where it will be painful to play on, and then cross into unplayable land.

[tame shuttle]

sooo, im running a deidicated server through steam tool. is there a way to up the ram dedicated to the sever? i dont see any suggestions on the internet and i dont see an abvoious way in steam. i assume the additional CLI bit in steam but i cant seem to find the relative command for satisfactory

anyone able to help?

dedi server is on my 2ndary PC

I also dont see any mention of RAM in the wiki with the exception of the recommended requirements.

[blazing halo]

How do you mean "up the ram dedicated to the server"?

The server will use whatever RAM is available in the system it's running on. If there's not enough memory, it'll crash (or, rather, get killed) due to OOM.

I suppose there are ways to limit the amount of RAM made available, but I'm not aware of any OS that applies these by default (or, to be honest, installs the tools needed to do it by default).

[vital grove]

Is there/where is the config file for the ports for a dedicated server?

[quick mist]

The Wiki describes the location for the configuration files

[vital grove]

Thank you. I've been going over it and not finding a specific notation on which file that is.

[blazing halo]

The file you're looking for is ServerSettings.{port number} where the port number is the server's Query port, but it won't really help you much.

If you wish to change the ports, you need to do it via CLI switches. The Wiki describes the parameters, and which of them can be changed.

Do note: if you're changing the port of an existing server, you will also need to rename the associated Settings file if you wish for it to remember previous things like: passwords, server name, last save etc. Otherwise, a new file will be created, and will contain defaults.

[vital grove]

Is that in the same folder as the rest of the config files?

[blazing halo]

Under Linux, it's one folder above the save folder (so, in ~/.config/Epic/FactoryGame/Saved/SaveGames). Don't know for sure where it is on Windows, but I expect it'll be somewhere in %homepath%\AppData\Local\FactoryGame. If your server is running under a different user, you will need to subtitute that user's home directory path.

[vagrant raft]

Has anyone else ever used Playit.gg to make a tunnel for their server? I'm having some issues with mine.

[blazing halo]

From what I've seen, reverse proxying doesn't seem to want to work with this game.

[tame shuttle]

Im used to servers like Minecraft where you have to specify the Ram the server is allowed to use

[blazing halo]

I didn't know Minecraft did something like that - that's pretty unusual, from my perspective.

Ahhh, of course!

Minecraft runs inside a virtual machine, after all!

Of course it has a RAM allocation setting...

[blazing halo]

Minecraft is fairly unique in that it's natively running inside a Java Virtual Machine (JVM). Typical game servers don't - they're native machine code (like other typical executables on your computer), and can use however much RAM your machine has.

If this is an alien concept to you, think of it this way: most other servers' defaults are "all of the RAM".

(with the caveat that native machine code doesn't have this limitation, obviously)

[willow helm]

We are only using about 20% of the CPU but all 100% of the 10gb of memory

[blazing halo]

It's the CPU, trust me.

Saving only happens every so often, but when it does, the CPU use on one of the cores should spike.

This game isn't all that great with parallelising some things - saving the game chief among them. The developers are working on it, but... for now it's rather heavily single-threaded.

It's one of the reasons why the game has a single-core performance bias.

I would recommend increasing the allocation to 12 GB, though - it sounds like you're running Experimental, it might help things if it's not swapping too much.

Whatever container technology you're running, it probably needs a bit "on top" to manage its own internals - so having it show 100% use constantly is never a good idea.

[willow helm]

Thx for the reply. I might swap to a better server then 😋

[blazing halo]

If you're using third-party hosting, there's unfortunately no real way to know what sort of hardware they're offering.

They tend to offer meaningless performance statistics like a number of "slots", but how well will it perform under specific loads? Who knows. :) All they can really say is that it runs.

[vagrant raft]

oh wait are yall discussing RAM Allocation? Please tell me how...

[alpine relic]

SIGSEGV: invalid attempt to write memory at address 0x0000000000000003

[blazing halo]

That doesn't tell us much. What was the server doing when this happened? (hint - it's the long list of calls that's right below this entry)

[tame shuttle]

got it, thanks for the answer....Sooooo I assume the quirky glitches of the dedicated server are just current instabilities in the game? our most annoying one right now is players will die if they spend too long in hypertubes....(death by claustrophobia?)

[vagrant raft]

Do domains work on Satisfactory or does it have to be an IP address

[blazing halo]

Domains work just fine. In fact, it'll remember the name, and not the IP it resolves to at that moment.

Steam could learn a thing or two...

[vagrant raft]

oki then I guess the tunnel software I'm using isn't working properly then

[blazing halo]

I have not had that happen to me. You may have found a new issue.

[blazing halo]

Satisfactory works OK with VPN, but doesn't seem to like reverse-proxying.

Did you do a 1:1 on the ports?

It seems to tell clients which ports to use (at least one that I'm aware of), so if they don't line up 1:1, you're going to have a bad time.

[vagrant raft]

I have to use the tunnel software because I am at a University so I'm not able to access the router in order to port forward. And I'm still fairly new to server types of stuff so I'm not sure what you mean by 1:1 on the ports.

[blazing halo]

1:1 means that they line up verbatim,

15000 -> 15000 and so on.

(on both ends of the tunnel)

[vagrant raft]

oh well when I use my actual IP address and the port 15777 its works

but when I use the domain choicesmp.playit.gg with that port it doesn't work

[blazing halo]

Default ports?

[vagrant raft]

yeah is that a bad thing?

[blazing halo]

Is it running right now?

[vagrant raft]

yeah

[blazing halo]

I can't resolve choicesmp.playit.gg.

[vagrant raft]

i know im just ranting tbh

sorry

[blazing halo]

I wanted to test if I can reach the ports and get a reply.

[vagrant raft]

oh try it again i had taken it off a second ago

the tunnel software also gives me a port which is 56321 but i tried it and it doesnt work

[blazing halo]

Nope, I can't reach any of those.

(or, rather, I don't get replies)

Can you go into the configuration and set fixed ports?

[vagrant raft]

yeah idk whats going on this hasn't happened before I'm trying to contact the creator but he must be busy rn

[vagrant raft]

how do i do that?

[blazing halo]

I have no clue.

You're the one with access to playit.gg

[vagrant raft]

oh you mean for playit yeah it has a website that allows me to manage the tunnels and I can put in my IP and it will give me a random generated IP and a domain but neither of them work

wait i just realized that playit isnt even working maybe i did something wrong with playit

[blazing halo]

Hmm... I just tried proxying the game with socat, and it still doesn't seem to work.

It shows up as "Game ongoing", but can't be connected to.

[vagrant raft]

which one?

[blazing halo]

My own.

For some reason, I can't get it to work over NAT.

[vagrant raft]

oh

hmm

[blazing halo]

I can see it trying to communicate, but...

Should your server be running and theoretically reachable right now?

Welp, I can make socat try and bridge the connection, and it really tries, but... it doesn't seem to work.

[vagrant raft]

wait so when I setup the thing on playit it asks me to pu the port right so when I put in "local port" 15777 the website forwards it to port 15778 and thats not 1:1 correct? is that my issue maybe?

[quasi knoll]

Hi, need some help on finding where the dedicated server gets saved locally

[blazing halo]

Yeah, that's my thinking.

[vagrant raft]

C:\Users\"USERNAME"\AppData\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames\server

at least thats where mine defaulted to

how do i change the port on my satisfactory server if im using steamcmd

[blazing halo]

-ServerQueryPort= and -Port=.

It doesn't matter if you're using steamcmd, Steam, Epic, or data-by-carrier-pidgeon, by the way.

[vagrant raft]

oof

[blazing halo]

Goddamn it.

I keep fucking forgetting.

[vagrant raft]

where do i go to type that in?

[blazing halo]

In the launch command for the server. ;P

[vagrant raft]

ahhh oki

[quasi knoll]

oh I don't have a server folder

[vagrant raft]

oh hmmm

is it your server or someone elses?

oh you might also need to be on the server pc itself if you are the owner

[quasi knoll]

I'm using one of the hosted server services

[vagrant raft]

ah then im not sure sorry

[quasi knoll]

all good, thanks anyway

[vagrant raft]

is there any specific order?

the launch file says "FactoryServer.exe -log -unattended"

so would I do "FactoryServer.exe -log -unattended -ServerQueryPort=56321 -Port=56321"

i dont know code im sorry

[young sinew]

I may have missed this and I apologize. Why are you trying to use a different port? @vagrant raft

[vagrant raft]

no worries and its all good now i got it fixed

[young sinew]

Okay awesome. Sorry I came in late

[vagrant raft]

but just to inform you i guess basically the tunneling service I use named Playit.gg doesn't allow 1:1 port forwarding unless you go into the launch file for the server and change it to the port given at the end of the domain.

[young sinew]

Interesting. So, playit.gg is used to set a static external IP?

Because your ISP won’t provide that?

I don’t really understand the use of playit.gg. I understand how static IPs work and external vs internal. But I haven’t heard of a service like that nor do I know how that would help

[vagrant raft]

The service does the exact same thing that port forwarding does but it creates tunnels instead so that people who cant access their routers can still port forward

[young sinew]

Awe okay that’s cool. I appreciate the info I didn’t know that existed

[blazing halo]

@vagrant raft still, if the built-in routing mechanic that Satisfactory comes with (that may or may not crash and burn into bloody ashes on a whim) doesn't happen to work on that day, you still need playit.gg to allow port configuration, because the beacon port is not changeable. It starts at 15000 and gets set automatically at runtime (which I consider to be an idiotic solution, and someone should be shot for not allowing it to be set explicitly).

[blazing halo]

I assume that the whole "port step up" functionality is part of the internal router, but this is a great example of fail-badly design - the system can enter an invalid configuration (using a port that isn't forwarded, expected, or even allowed) without warning, and with no signal indicating failure besides "it doesn't work"; the executable continues to function (instead of failing) so no administrative warnings (or even failure actions) are generated. For all intents and purposes, everything looks "fine" - except, of course, it doesn't work.

[leaden tartan]

Hi, on this page they're talking about increasing the bandwidth in multiplayer games, but it states "may not be applicable for dedicated servers". Any feedback on dedi ? https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Multiplayer#Temporary_lag_solution

[blazing halo]

These settings should only be touched if you're having rubberbanding issues. Are you?

[leaden tartan]

Players are fine for now, only very buggy belts visuals

[blazing halo]

Those will not be affected by the bandwidth, because that's not where the issue is.

[leaden tartan]

ok thanks 👍 still I'm curious about this setting on dedi as the server is growing fast and it's good to know what option I have if we run into rubberbanding or long loading times later on

[blazing halo]

You shouldn't be looking at either, really. As far as I understand, setting your network quality to the highest works well enough...

From what I've read on the 'net, I can't even tell if the game overwrites it or not. I did mess with mine, and they seem to be holding, but there's literally no difference. I didn't touch client-side stuff, though.

Even upping the tickrate had no effect - or, no observable effect. So, however CSS balanced the game against various resources, they seem to have done a good job of it.

[cunning field]

anyone could help me in port forwarding?

just a fast question

what should be the external port?

any public port?

[quick mist]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Port_forwarding_and_firewall_settings

For the External port for each of the three rules, use the same as the Internal port.

[cunning field]

hm okay

[quick mist]

the rule you have displayed would route an incoming request on port 53 to port 15777 on the internal service, which is not what you want

[cunning field]

so i have to do 3 port forwarding and if someone wanna join just join trough my external ip and port 15777?

[quick mist]

correct

[cunning field]

thank you

i really should start a networking school x,x

[dapper robin]

how do you set a dedicated server to experimental with steam cmd?

i tried to update using the update id but it said i didnt have a subscription

[quick mist]

this question is also answered on the Wiki

[dapper robin]

thanks, totally missed it

[quick mist]

if you got a subscription or entitlement error you are using the wrong app ID

[dapper robin]

it seems to be installing now thanks

[quick mist]

rad.

[dapper robin]

it didnt work, i used this command steamcmd +force_install_dir ~/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer +login anonymous +app_update 1690800 -beta experimental validate +quit but it just installed the version it already had but then i changed the 1690800 to 195135 (the current experimental build)

[quick mist]

can you clarify what you mean? did it switch to experimental or not?

oh oh oh

do not specify the version number on the command line. The app ID is always 1690800

[dapper robin]

no when i try to connect it shows this

[dapper robin]

ohhh

well anyways it still didnt work

[quick mist]

also be sure the server is not running when you try to run the update

[dapper robin]

yeah it isnt

[quick mist]

Are you certain you're then launching the server from ~/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer?

[dapper robin]

yes

[quick mist]

okay, let's then raze it to the ground and start over. Stop the server, and do this - and type carefully -
rm -fr ~/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer

This will delete the currently-downloaded server. Your save files are in a separate location so they're safe.

Then re-run the steamcmd invocation.

[dapper robin]

im doing this on windows

[quick mist]

ah. the steamcmd invocation you showed implied otherwise

[dapper robin]

oh

i copied and pasted the wrong one

[quick mist]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Windows

just be sure to include -beta experimental and you should be good to go

[dapper robin]

i copied and pasted the wrong one into discord here, but on my server computer its the right one

[charred hound]

what would be the solution to this?

[quick mist]

well we're still going to do the 'raze it to the ground' but, but rather than the rm command, just drag the server install directory to the Recycle Bin, and re-run the stamcmd invocation. Be sure you're specifying the right branch and you should be golden

[quick mist]

I have never seen this before o.O

[dapper robin]

ok

im installing

ok its working now thanks for the help

[quick mist]

anytime! Happy Satisfactory-ing!

[dapper robin]

another question is it possible to add mods?

[blazing halo]

Patience, until the developers produce a fix for it. Did you change anything server-side, though? Like network speeds or the tickrate?

[blazing halo]

I've seen that particular error a lot when playing ARK. It basically means the server tried to send way too much shit.

[blazing halo]

Not into the dedicated server, no. Not the mods available today, anyway.

[dapper robin]

ok

[charred hound]

no

[blazing halo]

Then yeah, you'll probably have to report this and wait for a fix.

[blazing halo]

Y'all think this'll run Satisfactory? 🤣

(right this moment, I can't get it to run SETUP without hanging 😂 )

[quick mist]

is that a.. slocket?

[stoic notch]

use one of these instead lol

[blazing halo]

You do realise that this thing is likely faster, right? :D

[stoic notch]

the pi or the other thing

[blazing halo]

The Pi.

[stoic notch]

yeah

of course

it's only even a pi 3

[blazing halo]

What I posted is supposed to be a PIII 1 GHz, but I can't get it working right... Best I'll probably be able to do is 650 MHz or so.

[stoic notch]

650 kilohertz?

[quick mist]

until they push out a Pi with an amd64 chipset, SFDS will never run on a Pi

[blazing halo]

... or until they rebuild SFDS for aarch64.

Whichever.

[stoic notch]

I gotta put raspbian on that thing and see how fast it is

[blazing halo]

To be honest, rebuilding SFDS for aarch64 is likely much easier...

Still, it's been years since I last had to muck about with FSB speeds and bus dividers. It's... about as annoying as it used to be.

It's good to remind myself exactly how good we have it today, because damn.

Today, you have to try real hard to make a system refuse to POST.

[quick mist]

somewhere in my archives there is a notebook I used a third of trying to resolve address, IRQ, and DMA channel conflicts on my system between all the various hardware I was trying to force to coexist.

[blazing halo]

I don't even know how I'm going to force that SIL chip to work as a boot device -- assuming it's even possible. I'd love to though, because it sports UDMA/133, and the board is DMA/66 at best.

[quick mist]

also I will forever be annoyed that the standard never evolved from jumpers to DIP switches for motherboard configurations

[blazing halo]

There were boards with DIP switches. There still are, sometimes. It was a "premium" feature.

Still, DIP switches do wear out. Jumpers don't.

[quick mist]

hahahaha yes they do

[blazing halo]

Never had a jumper wear out. What didja do to them, chew them?

[quick mist]

nope, they just got stretched out by having to move them while trying to resolve the aforementioned conflicts when adding hardware to my frankenrig

[blazing halo]

Ah, you mangled them.

[quick mist]

this was back before CD-ROM drives just used an ATA channel

no, they wore out.

'course, that also ignores the fact that jumpers came in several sizes

[blazing halo]

What were yours made out of, shitalloy?

[quick mist]

cheaponium clearly

[blazing halo]

I've been doing PC stuff since about 1998, and I've never had a pin header stretch. I did bend a few, but otherwise?

(incidentally, that board is about the right vintage - 1999, I believe; it's an ABIT BE6-II)

[quick mist]

I ran an ABIT BX-6 into the ground lol

that sucker was running for many years though

[blazing halo]

Any protips on getting that PIII running stable in it would be appreciated. Right now it doesn't want to POST on defaults, which worries me.

Don't know if it's the PCI cards, or just the CPU hating on me (and the settings).

The caps all look fine, but...

[quick mist]

pull everything but the CPU and RAM, and GPU, start from there

[blazing halo]

I did... but I guess I should go back to that.

Okay, then. I'll pull everything and try to zero in the clocks. Then we'll see.

[quick mist]

also with hardware that old, get out the multimeter and check the voltages coming from the PSU

[blazing halo]

The supply is fairly new, actually.

I don't have any PSUs that old. Most were sacrificed on the altar of bench supplies.

[stoic notch]

my laptop was being very stupid for like half an hour and didnt want to image an sd card but I finally got the pi set up

well now its fully set up

oh wait just found my pi4

now I gotta get a monitor that can accept hdmi set up

[stoic notch]

I put doom on the raspberry pi and it got to 1800 mhz max

granted I do have a 300mm fan blowing air at it rather than the 40mm fan that came with it

[cunning field]

turns out, my external ip is not fix

qwq

anyone had same issue?

im thinking about 2ways to fix it but im not sure that satisfactory supports ddns service

[obsidian rune]

It's not something Satisfactory needs to support. DDNS is something you set up for your IP, not Satisfactory specifically.

[cunning field]

but from that point i can reach the server trough a domain

not an ip

sorry im kind of novice in networking and have a lot of stuff to understand

can i write the domain here instead of an ip address?

[obsidian rune]

Yes.

[cunning field]

okay

ill might able to solve the problem damn

[obsidian rune]

Remember that with DDNS services - you must update your IP with them whenever it changes. If you can, set it up on your router (some support select DDNS services).

[cunning field]

or alternatively i could just pay extra for a fix ip address x,x

[obsidian rune]

If you can get one, sure.

[cunning field]

mhhh

my main problem is that my external ip is not fix

i will keep expenting

experimenting

[obsidian rune]

I too have a dynamic IP at home. DDNS works well enough.

[cunning field]

wich provider do u use?

no ip?

[obsidian rune]

Used to use no-ip once upon a time.

[cunning field]

i have a tp link router but i cant access rn

i hope it have ddns function lol

[obsidian rune]

At home, I currently use afraid.org.

[cunning field]

that is free too?

[obsidian rune]

It is, but they may apply additional terms & conditions.

At work, I use ClouDNS.

(they have a free tier, and paid tiers)

[cunning field]

mhmmm

thank you c:

once ill have time ill set this up

[obsidian rune]

ClouDNS is also simple to update - all you have to do is open a link when your IP changes, they do the rest.

(though you must generate an update link w/ a hash that matches your account)

[cunning field]

but isnt the main thing with ddns that you dont need ip address to access the device?

[obsidian rune]

I don't understand the question. What is unclear?

[cunning field]

nvm i need to see it myself

ill write here when i could get to configure it

sadly im not home rn

thanks for giving ideas anyways

and helping

[obsidian rune]

Sure.

[cunning field]

sry i learn better trough experience

[drifting flame]

Hey ho ^^ I can not get on the server and unfortunately do not know why. Restarting the server and the game do not work

[obsidian rune]

Ugh. So, once more, "outgoing reliable buffer overflow" rears its ugly head.

From what I remember from ARK and CONAN, the solution is to limit the number of items being sent at any one time - this usually was fixed by using a mind wipe (removing all known schematics), emptying one's inventory, or removing some mods.

However - since Satisfactory has very few schematics, the inventory is small, and mods don't currently work under the DS... I don't really have a fix I could propose.

Wait for the devs to fix it, I guess?

[cunning field]

@obsidian runethank you, i just registered a no ip domain looks like its werking o.o it updates the ip automatically every hour

[meager phoenix]

savetime is now 17 seconds for me 😂

[blazing halo]

Just make sure to forward the A host, and not the entire domain. ;P

[cunning field]

what?