dedicated-servers

[zealous cairn]

so yeah - there's certainly threads being used.......

but watching some mk5 belts, there's a lot of pauses with stuff zooming along the belts lol

[hushed garnet]

how does one switch from experimental to early access server?

[feral dawn]

yeah the belt sync is just awful in dedicated servers.

[slim spoke]

dont change the cmdline and your on ea server

[feral dawn]

^

[zealous cairn]

I don't think it affects actual throughput though - just visual....

[slim spoke]

wiki has the info for changing to exp if u want to test

[feral dawn]

yah it's just visual

like, pieces of coal just "teleporting" along the belt

wheee lol

[zealous cairn]

on that note, I need to make more fuel generators - as I'm not processing heavy oil fast enough lol

ie the buffers are full.....

[feral dawn]

pack it and sink it bud

[zealous cairn]

I already am :\

[feral dawn]

lol damn 😐

[zealous cairn]

but you can only fit so much in ISCs too hahahah

[feral dawn]

pack it more? 😄

[zealous cairn]

I'm making 450/min fuel - and that isn't quick enough to keep the backlog of heavy oil from slowing down

oh - and you no longer auto-heal back to 3 bars of health?

[feral dawn]

Now look here CRC, you know as well as I do that you can always build more packers 😛

get that game loaded

and get packing!

😄

[zealous cairn]

or is that another dedicated server issue?

[slim spoke]

i think its just really slow lol but i dont know

[feral dawn]

hmm, i have been healing on dedi servers, but i have not tested it recently

it used to take like 2 minutes before it started to heal tho

[zealous cairn]

I fell and I'm down to 1/2 a health bar, and I've been sitting like that for a while now

but yeah - 20 x fuel generators isn't enough to burn off the fuel fast enough :\

[uneven sigil]

just dont loose life then and you are gucci 🙂

[zealous cairn]

Consumption: ~3800MW, Production ~9937MW

:\

[feral dawn]

hehe

i know them feels, for sure.

[boreal onyx]

Maby this isn't the place to ask this. But does anyone have a pretty bid server i can check out to get some inspiration?

[zealous cairn]

you can jump on mine for a lol if you like..... there's some good, some bad :p

[slim spoke]

#screenshots

[zealous cairn]

just don't rip the world down hahahah

[boreal onyx]

Sure xD

i won't

[slim spoke]

save point hehe

[feral dawn]

Suddenly, all of the walls in @zealous cairn 's world become bright pink.

[slim spoke]

safe instead of sorry... not to say he would do sumthing

[zealous cairn]

interestingly enough, I'm connected to my server but I can't get the save manager up lol

[slim spoke]

lol

[zealous cairn]

"Could not connect to the server."

..... the one I'm playing on......

[slim spoke]

im not admin on it lol so cant help ya

[zealous cairn]

eh - now it worked, go figure.....

I think there's still some janky corners.....

[slim spoke]

lol its just being silly

[zealous cairn]

this is about 101 hours in anyway lol

[slim spoke]

nice

[hushed garnet]

how does one switch from experimental to early access server??

[feral dawn]

you dont need to do anything.

you would need to now switch from Early Access to Experimental with steamcmd now with a different -beta command line

[slim spoke]

needs to be *note at top of wiki

[zealous cairn]

wait, does that mean my server auto-changed to Early Access? :\

[feral dawn]

in theory yes

[zealous cairn]

hmmm - I guess we'll see when the first push to experimental happens

[feral dawn]

you lucky man you 😄

well

[slim spoke]

it will just be known as ea

[zealous cairn]

I've always just played on experimental cos I like new stuff hahahah

[slim spoke]

nothing changes with it

[feral dawn]

if u want experimental, you need to add +beta expermental to the steamcmd command i think

when that becomes a thing ^

[slim spoke]

that way all the people who did dedis wont be shoved onto exp

and the people who want to test can easily add on

[feral dawn]

my pc every now and then makes the "You unplugged a usb device" noise

and im doing no such thing lol

[slim spoke]

kick it a few times

[feral dawn]

i rather not kick my pc, it cost a lot of money

[slim spoke]

hehe

[frosty gale]

I just made a server and I named the session "B.I.D.E.N."

"Beaver Industrial Development Extraterrestrial Navigators"

[feral dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/lucille-bluth-arrested-development-spying-spy-door-gif-3661314

[quick geyser]

So if i wanted my DS on EA instead of EXP i'd have to change nothing then?

[feral dawn]

I believe that's how it works

[slim spoke]

yup

[feral dawn]

https://steamdb.info/app/1690800/depots/

here shows a new depot called "experimental"

so i'm going with it sure does.

[golden jolt]

this?

what?

[slim spoke]

they are stopping for selfies

[golden jolt]

................

how to fix it

[slender idol]

Anyone figured out a savegame folder redirect cmdline yet?

[slim spoke]

you change where windows goes to for the localappdata call

or netsearch how to do virtual remap

[slender idol]

Yeah no, because I need to do this per instance not overall.

Even if I remapped the folder, each client can still see each other's savefiles.

[slim spoke]

permissions

[slender idol]

...

[slim spoke]

lol #off-topic-tech

[slender idol]

So I get what you're on about.

But its not what I'm asking for.

The answer would be "No, that doesn't exist yet"

[slim spoke]

"No, that doesn't exist yet"

happy now?

[slender idol]

Not really, not till it's in. But the answer is sufficient.

[feral dawn]

annoyingly the only way i can think to get around it, is to use docker containers.

[slender idol]

Yeah to give it its own filesystem, that's one way to get around it. One of the guys in here that makes a control panel that looks quite nice has a redirect script of some form, but with the new savemanager it kinda makes it a moot point now.

[feral dawn]

ah yes i heard of that.

[slender idol]

literally, commandline argument -savedir=/some/folder would be nice. Already on their issues list from launch.

[feral dawn]

agreed 100%, bit odd it's not there tbh

maybe the talent over at the modding discord might do something with that.

[slender idol]

Considering its UE4 I find it a little odd that they're not using localised folder configs/saves, but it is what it is.

[feral dawn]

not a "fix", but u never know

[slender idol]

I'll just wait 🙂

[rose valley]

along with a lot of other things. if you ask 10 people what is more important now you will get 10 different answers.

[slender idol]

Oh yeah for sure

[feral dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/all-the-things-hyperbole-and-a-half-do-all-the-things-excited-gif-16018689

[slender idol]

^ this

[zealous cairn]

like fixing the crash when the dedicated server exits? 😉

[feral dawn]

cant say i have ever had this

[slender idol]

You hitting the x button, or ctrl+c?

[zealous cairn]

systemd unit file

[rose valley]

the crash when dedicated server exits may be only one of many. you need to be more specific.

[zealous cairn]

I lodged a Q&A thingo on it - with the trace.... seems like a threading thing - like a use after free type problem

[slender idol]

Does that do a sigint when it closes?

I don't know :S

[zealous cairn]

let me look and see if I can find the link.....

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/619d6fa2831c852052360fd7

ie: FactoryServer.sh[47463]: Bad thread localBad thread localsrc/tier1/fileio.cpp (5146) : CFileWriterThread already exited

[rose valley]

we've been struggling a little with our crash reporter up to this point. once we know for sure that works well, we should do a little better on the crashes.

[zealous cairn]

I don't think this one gets reported - as its on shutdown 😦

[storm cobalt]

Anyone tried dockerizing it?

Hows the performance?

[slim spoke]

about the same

lots are using docker

[zealous cairn]

at least, the logs I see in journald don't seem to indicate that anything is being submitted / logged

[rose valley]

It looks like it is very late on shutdown. It's good that you have reported it.

[storm cobalt]

Is there a official or preferred docker build file?

[feral dawn]

that reminds me, i gotta update the version number on my Questions ticket.

[zealous cairn]

if it was auto-submitted, I probably wouldn't have reported it - but it doesn't look to be - so the crash reporter won't see it and it triggers the coredump stuff in my distro hahaha

[slim spoke]

no there isnt an official one

[rose valley]

Nothing has been submitted up to this point. One of the future patches should finally make the crash reporter work.

[fleet silo]

Do I need to have bought the game to have the dedicated server in library? Because I have steam on my server and I don't want to keep login/logout between my pc and my server so I've created another steam account but I can't find the dedicated server

[rose valley]

See, Arc, we still need to fix very basic things before we get to quality of life improvements.

[feral dawn]

@fleet silo correct, you need to use SteamCmd if you dont own the game in steam

[zealous cairn]

well, credit where credit is due, I haven't seen any other crashes lol

[slim spoke]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers

there is instructions for servers

[rose valley]

But they will come. Y'all need to remember this is an experimental feature of an early access game.

[fleet silo]

ok I was trying to do it but I've asked first

[zealous cairn]

oh for sure 🙂

I play experimental for that reason - I like to break things hahaha

[feral dawn]

oh for sure, I would hope none of us were complaining that features were missing, i certainly was not. I'm happy we have dedicated servers at all.

[zealous cairn]

I just don't like it when people break the stuff I've been working on hahahaha

[rose valley]

By all means, keep asking for things. Just know that they may need some time, is all.

[zealous cairn]

I mean, I would like to see load shared more in threads - but threads are already a f'kin nightmare to code with hahaha

[feral dawn]

also, I assume the xmas stuff will get enabled again at some point? - I never got to try it last year.

[fleet silo]

In the wiki there is +app_update 1690800 to install the server.. do I have to change that?

[feral dawn]

no, that's fine

[slim spoke]

just set the install folder

[rose valley]

That was a good try

[slender idol]

Not so much QOL as it is just keeping everyone separate, put my poor GSP mind at ease 😛

[slim spoke]

leave the rest alone in the cmd line

[fleet silo]

ok thanks

[slender idol]

Quality of sleep perhaps haha

[feral dawn]

there was no try Bogdan, im serious about wanting to try the xmas content that i missed out on lol 😐

[slender idol]

The good thing is nobody can delete each others stuff 😂

[feral dawn]

maybe™️ is fine lol

[rose valley]

Somebody suggested containerizing instances. That can be a very good workaround.

That is, until you get the real deal.

[zealous cairn]

oh, is it a known issue that you don't heal up to 3 'bars' health anymore when injured?

[slender idol]

Yes utilising a docker container is a workaround, however our automation software doesn't yet support docker or containerisation. So we'll have to wait.

[zealous cairn]

like, is that a gameplay change or a bug? 😛

[slender idol]

I got 11 upvotes on my issue, hells yeah

[rose valley]

Not aware of any deliberate changes to that system. I'd post that on qa.

[feral dawn]

if ( User.Name == "CRC" ) { bAutomaticHealthRegenEnabled = false; }

[zealous cairn]

I also don't know if its a dedicated server issue or in general.... cos since I got the dedicated server going, I haven't played offline since hahaha

[feral dawn]

it worked for me CRC

[zealous cairn]

hmmmmmm - I was walking around with half a bar health flashing for 10+ minutes :\

hence I was wondering bug or feature hahah

[feral dawn]

soz i meant to type "worked"

[zealous cairn]

maybe this weekend I'll get to test it offline and see if its present there too

[feral dawn]

i just got some bees to bite my face.

i'll let you know if it still works for me now

[zealous cairn]

mine was from fall damage - but I don't know if it'd matter what the source was....

but for some reason, I can't kick an idle player, and I seem to be connected twice to my own server 😐

[feral dawn]

yah okay i would post it to the QA site @zealous cairn

[zealous cairn]

yeah - but in typical Satisfactory play style - I just realised its 1:27am and I need to sleep now hahaha

[feral dawn]

i can post it if u want?

[zealous cairn]

sure

[feral dawn]

alrighty

[zealous cairn]

did you manage to reproduce it?

[feral dawn]

well sleep well!

ye, sad face

[zealous cairn]

ahhhhhh good good

was that from bees to the face or fall?

[feral dawn]

bees

[zealous cairn]

ok, so that means source of damage doesn't matter too

was that on dedicated or standalone?

hahaha so many questions 😄

[feral dawn]

whatever check is in there, that is pretty much "if health < 20 StartRegen()" has broke

dedi

i'll test single player soon then post up

[zealous cairn]

ok - I'm assuming that the server does the health levels and not the client.....

but I may be wrong

[feral dawn]

yah server is usually authorative

[zealous cairn]

thanks for reproducing the bug, and now I'll go sleep...

[feral dawn]

gn 🙂

[zealous cairn]

👋

[feral dawn]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/608ce0c3aa0ba107e325bf46

someone beat us to it 😄

[proven ledge]

Hi, i can't able to load my local world save file in dedicated server

[timid mason]

I have been timed out from my own hosted server

What the hell

[frosty gale]

Is it possible to bring up a server via cli linux?

🤔

[feral dawn]

u can see the stdout with -log, but u cannot type into the server.

[oblique owl]

This has always worked this way

Unless you mean that you use healing items and your health is still stuck at 3 bars

[feral dawn]

what parameters would need to be done Uzu for the health regen to work at all?

because, a few patches a go it did work

[oblique owl]

To be more clear

Your health only restores to 3 bars by itself

And it's always been that way

[feral dawn]

oh yes

[oblique owl]

That's the intended behavior

[feral dawn]

that part is the part that is broken

you no longer regen to three bars

[oblique owl]

You're supposed to use healing items to restore it higher than 3 bars

I see, then yeah that's a new bug

Does it only happen on dedicated servers?

[feral dawn]

I have not tested it in single player yet

[oblique owl]

Is there a QA post for it? if not It would be great if you could make one

[feral dawn]

there is one

sec

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/608ce0c3aa0ba107e325bf46

the version number needs to be updated

for sure, but i cannot do that as it's not my original post

[oblique owl]

In cases like this, where the post is from 7 months ago, from a super old version, and doesn't specify dedicated servers anywhere, I would say reposting it is the best course of action

[feral dawn]

oh right, i was not sure if that was useful as a dupe

but i'll test in single player too, then create a new post 🙂

[oblique owl]

Much appreciated

With very old issues like this that come back here and there, it is always more helpful for visibility for us to post them on the newer versions

Otherwise they get buried due to being so old

[feral dawn]

now seems like a good time than ever to test it, lol

[timid slate]

Quite sure that regen sometimes works and sometimes does not. So most likely a connection issue

[feral dawn]

i highly doubt it's a connection issue, the server would ensure your clients state was synced, which is why rubber banding happens at all (as an example)

[timid mason]

how does someone else join my dedicated server?

[feral dawn]

as soon as i loaded the game up in single player, my heath was regenerating, dedi only.

[timid mason]

please? someone?

[feral dawn]

Do the relevant port forwarding on your router, ensure the server is allowed through your firewall and give your friend(s) your public WAN IP (google what is my ip address to get this).

there is information on the wiki to all of that ^

[timid mason]

If i would have seen it on the wiki i wouldnt have asked here

But thanks

I did and he got "server name pending" "this server seems to be offline"

While everything is good, firewall allowed, etc etc

[feral dawn]

alright, we can go through the usual steps i take with this issue

Plz provide a screenshot of your port forwarding rules, and a screenshot of ipconfig's output on the computer that's hosting the server.

if ur unsure how to get ipconfig, it's Start > type in cmd hit enter > type in ipconfig hit enter

[versed merlin]

Gang, for the wiki, in the “Running As A Service” area, we have a couple of lines discussing that the current service unit file has the log output to Journal, and that its possible to have the output go to actual log files instead. With the caveat that log files need to be rotated, that’s beyond the scope of this particular wiki, etc, etc etc….

Should we discuss pros/cons of either? just from a “offer more information so users can make informed choices” standpoint?

[shell vector]

Is it possible to run a dedicated server on a second pc on steam? I kind of don't want to and also can't port forward IP addresses.
And i want others to be able to play outside my network.

[feral dawn]

@versed merlin i'm all for sharing knowledge, but if you talk about the ability to log rotate using x,y or z i can see more users coming in here then asking for help on those products too, when we in theory should not support that. Just my two cents.

[versed merlin]

you don’t want to forward ports, and you want others to play on your server.

THose are mutually exclusive.

[versed merlin]

Agreed. I was more thinking about “with rotating logs, these are the pros…. With using Journal, these are the pros….” and keeping the “beyond the scope of this wiki” statement.

[feral dawn]

yeah okay agreed with that

i just added a small entry to the FAQ

10.6 to be precice

[carmine jay]

not if you and your friends join a tailscale network? it punches past nat and all you may have to forward is the port to make it work from the outside.

[shell vector]

I can't forward them.
When I run a dedicated server on a second pc on my steam acc. Are my steam friends able to play with me then?

[versed merlin]

He stated he doesn’t want to forward ports. your solution still requires a forwarded port.

[feral dawn]

If you're not able to forward ports, then you cannot forward ports anywhere to any computer on your network... so a different PC in theory would not help.

[feral dawn]

You could NAT Punch, but that's waaaaaaaaay out of scope.

[versed merlin]

yay, specificity!

[shell vector]

I want to do on a different pc so it can run all time.

I understood it like that.
Start dedicated server from steam and your steam friends can join this server

[feral dawn]

Steam or Epic can join the server, but you need to forward ports to allow this.

[timid mason]

How can I forward the port?

[feral dawn]

there is another option...

If you're not able to forward ports, because your ISP is double NAT'ing you (ugh), you can rent a VPN that supports multiple forwarded ports

and get your friends to connect to that

but the configuration for that can be a bit meh

[shell vector]

Yea and i pay money.
Nevermind then.
I'm just going to run the game then on a second pc where my friends can join BCS that seems to not need forwarded ports

[timid mason]

Rocket science needed to start a damn server, amazing

[feral dawn]

It does need the ports forwarded.

but okay.

[versed merlin]

Yes, running it on a separate PC is completely possible. I personally run the dedicated linux box, using the SteamCMD utility.

[feral dawn]

You will need admin access to your router, once you have gained admin access you can go to the necessary admin pages to find Port Forwarding (sometimes called Port Triggering) to forward the ports listed on the Wiki.

[feral dawn]

This is why Game Server Providers exist bud, hosting servers isnt always that easy.

[shell vector]

Yes, yes, yes.
Can you dm me how to do that?

[feral dawn]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#SteamCMD

[versed merlin]

You’re asking the questions and we’re trying to assist. no need to get snotty. Unless Steam has changed the way they allow users to login, from what I understand, you’re only allowed a single active login at the same time. So if you run it from Steam interface on a second system (with the GUI), you’ll run the server, sure. And chances are good when you attempt to login on your main “gaming” system you’ll not be able to, or you’ll kick the other account offline.

[shell vector]

The yes wasn't ment to be snotty

[feral dawn]

ah i see what he's saying here

[versed merlin]

No, I will not DM. There’s tons of information in the Wiki about running it from SteamCMD. SteamCMD allows you to install the server software WITHOUT needing to login, so it can be run anonymously (thereby allowing your main gaming rig to login with your account).

[feral dawn]

Yes you could use a 2nd PC to run the game client, but you'll need to buy satisfactory again.

as @versed merlin has rightly said, you cannot play Steam games on two or more computers at the same time.

[versed merlin]

Gotcha. THanks for clarifying that.

[versed merlin]

At least with the same account

[feral dawn]

yes this ^

[versed merlin]

SO, unless you want to set up two separate accounts, use the SteamCMD utility which is specifically designed to install game servers without using your own personal account. :).

[shell vector]

Okay. And that solution does not need forwarded ports?

[feral dawn]

SteamCMD does

ugh that's wrong info

the Satisfactory Dedicated Server 100% needs forwarded ports

[versed merlin]

ANY solution for dedicated servers will need forwarded ports, unless you’re playing on a listen server (running the game client in your own steam account, and having your friends join you there).

[feral dawn]

pretty sure Steam does NAT Punching for that ^, which is cool

[shell vector]

Okay then that clarifies it

Looks like i will have to buy a second game on a second acc

[feral dawn]

what is the reason u cannot port forward?

ISP block?

@carmine jay writing an essay over here.

[carmine jay]

technically you don't need to forward ports but you'd need something on the inside pinging out to keep the connection alive for people to connect from the outside. like a keep-alive of sorts. otherwise, the inbound connection eventually drops and doesn't work till something pings out again.

I've been experimenting with this stuff. port forwarding is still the reliable way til I can find an alternative. believe me, I'd rather not forward more ports than necessary for safety sake. tailscale and zeroteir is advertised to work past nat but I've yet to get a reliable vpn that doesn't need any forwarding.

[feral dawn]

lol

there it is 😄

[carmine jay]

😛

[versed merlin]

And how many people, of the AVERAGE Discord user we get in this channel are going to be willing to set up tailscale and zero tier and other outlier use cases, just to play satisfactory with their friends. 😉

So, while your suggestions are technically correct, they’re also beyond the scope of the support we volunteers really should provide :D. Other than “oh, hey, this works, too” kinda thing

INCOMING BOGDAN MESSAGE

[rose valley]

You describing P2P and it doesn't work for all NAT types. That is what we use for regular multiplayer. Some day, we might make the servers optionally use P2P too. Not soon though.

At the moment forwarding ports remains a must if you are hosting from within a private network, which is what most home networks are.

[carmine jay]

it's easy to forget other's aren't as technically minded as I am. 🙃

[rose valley]

You can set up a VPN and let your friends into your network through that VPN. Never tried that, it might work.

[versed merlin]

that would be cool.

[feral dawn]

easier to just get a vpn provider that will forward ports to your VPN IP endpoint, then u can throw anything over the internet without forwarding anything.

it's how i host Plex from home, personally.

i say "easier", i mean "easier" in the way for a bog-standard user where port forwarding is blocked.

[rose valley]

Yeah, there may be multiple such workarounds. But none of them accessible to the average user and I do not mean that in a condescending way.

[feral dawn]

^

[rose valley]

Networking is effin hard.

[versed merlin]

I’ve thought about doing that for my calibre server on my pi4, but I usually just load up my tablet with books before I go anywhere so never really followed through LOL

[feral dawn]

ye it can be

[carmine jay]

tell me about it XD

[versed merlin]

Out of curiousity, you have said that you cannot port forward. WHy not?

[rose valley]

One thing that you may get to see soon is the need to only forward one port, instead of 3. That would simplify setup a bit and even more workarounds might open up (maybe an SSH tunnel?)

[versed merlin]

[feral dawn]

heck why not go that extra step and tunnel over DNS? 😄

https://github.com/yarrick/iodine

for all u geeks out there ^

[versed merlin]

[feral dawn]

hahah

[carmine jay]

that seems like it'd break the internet... lol

[shell vector]

dont have acces to the router

[feral dawn]

ah fair do's

[carmine jay]

well there is UPnP but I really don't trust it...

[uneven sigil]

have you tried admin as pw at the login?

[carmine jay]

does anyone know if the server supports UPnP?

[feral dawn]

lol upnp gets turned of very fast for me

pretty sure it doesnt.

[versed merlin]

Paging @rose valley

[carmine jay]

uh oh

[versed merlin]

uh oh?

did I do a boo boo?

[sullen anchor]

Me and someone else are getting similar bugs, I checked with the server admin and it is running, and my internet connection is good. Can anyone help?

[feral dawn]

I mean if the guy has upnp enabled on his router, he could use like upnpwizard to open ports for him 😐

[carmine jay]

makes one feel like they're in trouble. 😛

[rose valley]

We haven't looked at it and done no testing for it. If it relies on port redirection, then it wouldn't work.

However, with the upcoming change (1 port instead of 3), that one port will also tolerate redirection so who knows.

I know nothing about UPnP myself.

[versed merlin]

check the wiki for information in the configuration files about timing out.

[carmine jay]

that's fine. I wouldn't want to encourage UPnP use anyways.

[versed merlin]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers/Configuration_files

[sullen anchor]

thank you

[feral dawn]

upnp is pretty much "My name is [SoftwareName] and I need this port open to me, and this one and this one please Mr Router". and the router is like "Okay bro, i got you"

[rose valley]

Oh... but that kinda defeats the purpose of firewalls.

[feral dawn]

yes

[carmine jay]

yeah

[feral dawn]

which is why i turn it off 😄 lol

[rose valley]

Although NAT was initially designed to work around the IPv4 address count being too low.

Now we kinda rely on it for security too.

[feral dawn]

a two birds with one stone kinda approach for sure.

[carmine jay]

and never trust how a consumer router implements it. I've heard some put UPnP on the wan port and hackers find and abusing it.

[feral dawn]

oh god 😐

[rose valley]

In principle, I don't think having to explicitly open ports is a bad thing. It's frustrating when you do not manage your own network and I think that should never be the case.

But shitty ISPs, landlords, etc exist.

[feral dawn]

tbh an open port is never usually the problem of a hacking attempt, it's usually the problem of a vuln in the software that's bound to that port.

[carmine jay]

but looks like a vpn is the only way for @shell vector.

[feral dawn]

or maybe some upnp tool for windows, if it's enabled on the router.

[carmine jay]

maybe. 😐

[timid slate]

Woop woop, My Cat 6 cable arrived 🙂

[carmine jay]

won't know till s/he/they try.

[timid slate]

more stable connection incoming

[carmine jay]

you have 6 cats? I want 6 cats. 🙂

[feral dawn]

and here i am running 10g over cat5 😐 lol

[versed merlin]

i’m halfway there…

I’m running Cat-3

[carmine jay]

:3

[versed merlin]

oops. Shahrazad (grey one on the right) just jumped down, so I’m only running Cat-2 now. 😦

[carmine jay]

oh no

[versed merlin]

bandwidth issues incoming

[feral dawn]

I have this purr monster on my lap right now.

always share cat pics in any channel in discord

😄

[versed merlin]

Ooooh, beautiful girl!

[carmine jay]

annnd convo derailed in favor of the fuzzy purring cats.

🙂

[feral dawn]

it's fine

i'll bring it back to technology

here is a picture of my rack, enjoy.

[versed merlin]

hate

you

[feral dawn]

😄

[pseudo yew]

love it

[versed merlin]

WANT

[rose valley]

Oh lord. I was only gone for a minute 😆

[feral dawn]

hahah

[feral dawn]

Cats and The Internet will always be as one.

[versed merlin]

WHile the mouse is away, the cats will take over

morning, Dope

[quick mist]

Jeez, people fawning over photos of someone's rack on the internet. Some things never change 🙃

[versed merlin]

LOL

[feral dawn]

haha 😄

[versed merlin]

RackPorn

[feral dawn]

i could show u my rig too? 😛

if u want more computer pron

[versed merlin]

oh. computer porn.

[carmine jay]

obligatory cat pic. old girl is 21. that pic was a few months ago. don't have anything recent.

[feral dawn]

@versed merlin i got you bud

i got computer porn, with cats

[versed merlin]

21?! that’s amazing.

[quick mist]

So many spiders in here all of a sudden

[feral dawn]

21 is impressive!

[versed merlin]

HAHAHA! Love it!

[slim spoke]

anyways lets not devolve the room into memes

[feral dawn]

how dare you, my rack and pc isnt a meme. take it back 😛 lol

[versed merlin]

Give her a treat and some lurve from a random internet stranger Weird Cat Guy

[feral dawn]

she's hiding from the kittens atm, but when i see her next i will 😛

[carmine jay]

she's still reasonably healthy for her age. every once in a while we gotta take her to the vet when a problem pops up.

[versed merlin]

that’s wonderful!

[timid slate]

How do you run 10g over a 1g cable 🧐

[feral dawn]

with hopes and dreams

i mean there are no extra wires between a cat5 and cat6 cable, just the quality

[versed merlin]

network cable police have arrived

[feral dawn]

but she works okay.

tbh i used to run 10g over cat5

[quick mist]

intermittently at best

[carmine jay]

back in her younger days, she'd sleep on top of my pc too. it was warm up there when gaming in particular with the power supply at the top.

[feral dawn]

i now use a fibre run.

[quick mist]

I prefer to let my fibre lay there and let the data run through it

[feral dawn]

brrrrrrrr

[carmine jay]

pretty sure cat5e can do 10g at short distances.

50m or less I'd imagine.

[feral dawn]

This is indeed correct

[timid slate]

True, but Cat6 does have more bandwidth 🙂

[feral dawn]

hmmm that's not quite right

[versed merlin]

Oh, yeah, soak up all that warmth. Jericho (striped tabby) does the same thing. My Onkyo receiver has become his favorite place in the winters because it’s pretty much a heating pad. LOL

[carmine jay]

I want to upgrade my pc and servers to 10g one day. just need to find a fanless switch and some cards for a reasonable price.

[feral dawn]

sure it can push more data, as there are less transmission errors, thus less retransmissions, thus putting the bandwidth up

[quick mist]

I wonder if putting flase and ture into the config files will work, or if that's a server-output-only thing?

[feral dawn]

i would say flase to that 😄

[carmine jay]

a cat on a receiver sounds... hazardous to the electronic's thermals..

[versed merlin]

[feral dawn]

The unreal engine will be like: "What the hell is a Flase anyways?"

[slim spoke]

japanese jace

[timid slate]

exactly, THAT is bandwidth. It's top speed is the same sure, both at 1Gbps but as a comparison I often see: "Think of it as the difference between a 2- and a 4-lane highway. On both you can drive the same speed, but a 4-lane highway can handle much more traffic at the same time."

[quick mist]

it can dish it out but not take it?

[versed merlin]

Yeah, I have to shoo him off regularly. I set up a bed with a heating pad as a “honeypot” kinda thing. he’s usually on that more, lately.

[timid slate]

And that makes Cat6 able to handle 10Gigabit network as opposed to Cat5e 😛

[feral dawn]

I'm going to say it's some internal joke between a few developers, and it's now in the server software lol.

[slim spoke]

just waiting for ture now

[feral dawn]

Cat5e can handle 10gb, just over shorter runs as the cable is of a lesser quality.

[quick mist]

1135

[versed merlin]

I figured that it was originally a typo that was then standardized throughout the entire game

[slim spoke]

its how u can sort of tell who worked on what lol

[carmine jay]

at least a PC with no openings on top just works as a slow radiator on top.

[slim spoke]

other spots its spelled right

[feral dawn]

they would have to write their own INI file parser, to read "flase" and "ture" just for "the lulz" tho lol

i would not put it past them 😄

[quick mist]

Merry Smallpox Day, my fellow Americans; and Merry Mock Americans' Gluttonous Tradition Day to those in other nations.

[versed merlin]

Merry Indiginous people’s decimation day to you!

[feral dawn]

I have heard others say "Merry Turkey Day!" in other USA based discords, so that's what i will go with too.

nom nom

[versed merlin]

Depends on how generous I’mfeeling about our “founders” on the day, really. LOL

[quick mist]

I've also called it "This Is Not India You Twit" day, but I reserve that for the other holiday now.

[versed merlin]

[quick mist]

though that's sometimes also "Leif Erikson Made The Trip First Day"

[carmine jay]

let's not jump down that rabbit hole. 🙃

[versed merlin]

Oooh, new Humble Bundle of sandbox games. BRB

[carmine jay]

😮

[drowsy crown]

do dedicated servers work in early access ? or do i need to switch to experipmental to try and have dedicated servers run my game ?

[carmine jay]

they do now

[feral dawn]

Early Access is the current only dedicated server u can download 🙂

[quick mist]

They are available for both branches as of yesterday

[quick mist]

that is not correct

[feral dawn]

This is true, even if both brances are currently the same 😄 lol

[quick mist]

they are not

[feral dawn]

steamdb.info says otherwise

[quick mist]

they are different build numbers

[tame solar]

the experimental branch is behind early access?

[oblique owl]

No, they are the same

[feral dawn]

100% the same

[oblique owl]

If they aren't updated yet it's just steam taking a bit to update them

[quick mist]

Though they were yesterday, today's update may have changed that

[oblique owl]

But they should™️ be the same

[humble lodge]

Im unable to update again, it says its updated but versions dont match. Last time, I was adviced to login with my steam account when updating which worked but now it doesnt, it just verifies the install and thats it. Any other advice please, anyone?

[slim spoke]

patch notes just didnt say exp

cause they are =

[tame solar]

thank you for the confirmation Uzu

[quick mist]

on Release Day the builds were slightly different (:

[feral dawn]

oh a new patch tho? wonderful.

[tame solar]

EA and EX weren't always in par when EA was ahead, definitely before U3 (not sure since when they are kept in par)

[slim spoke]

they will both get ea patches

[quick mist]

(they reported different CLs, and so the Exp and EA clients were not able to cross-connect)

[slim spoke]

gotta watch for first exp patch

then its back to normal

[tame solar]

patch 0.5.0.14 and 0.5.1.0 both have CL#173618, so technically there wasn't any update if you kept playing on experimental?

[carmine jay]

side note: I wish we could reverse a whole line of belts rather than deleting them and rebuilding them.

[oblique owl]

Oh

[feral dawn]

cough, questions.satisfactorygame.com 😄

[oblique owl]

There was no EXP build whatsoever

It was created later that day

And it was just the exact same that was already on the default version

[carmine jay]

I know, I know. XD

[feral dawn]

hehe

[upbeat shard]

can any one assist. is there a better option to run automatic updates besides scheduled cron jobs? im using centos 7 using GSM

[carmine jay]

saw a Q&A video on reversing conveyors and made me think about the idea of reversing a whole line.

maybe with systemd timers but idk how to do those.

[quick mist]

I don't know about GSM but there is an example for 'update on start' for systemd units in the Wiki

yay, the tool works!

ghoti@Desktop:~/bin$ ./sfping $myserver
        Response Time   29.38msec
        Server Status:  Live
        Server Version  173879

[feral dawn]

woo

[carmine jay]

I suppose a cron to have the LGSM update the server once in a while. the fun part is figuring a interval for it.

[keen vortex]

the docker container i use for satisfactory updates on restart

[humble lodge]

Im unable to update again, it says its updated but versions dont match. Last time, I was adviced to login with my steam account when updating which worked but now it doesnt, it just verifies the install and thats it. Any other advice please, anyone?

[keen vortex]

all i had to do when U5 was released was "docker container restart satisfactory-server"

[vapid hazel]

Is anyone having connection issues to their Dedicated Server? I'm running one with Shockbyte and literally have to try to connect dozens of time to get connected. A couple of friends can join first time everytime

[quick mist]

you're the second person in two days reporting issues with that vendor. connection timeouts like that are usually the result of trying to connect to or from a potato. There are directions on the Wiki to help with that by increasing the timeouts, but it's likely your UX will be ungood with such a connection

[carmine jay]

what build are you on? the current one is 7776781 for both EA an EXP.

[keen vortex]

i am also amused that the log output has "true" and "false" misspelled (ture and flase)

[quick mist]

same

[keen vortex]

although onlly in certain places, might just be the formatter for isAwake (but you'd think that'd be an ordinary boolean)

[slim spoke]

its not like that for all the code lol

[keen vortex]

LogNet messages are spelled correctly, but those are probably stock U4Engine rather than coffeestain code

[slim spoke]

someone was drunk coding or something

[keen vortex]

there's also the posssibility that "ture" is not really "true"

[vapid hazel]

@quick mist is there a hosting provider that seems rock solid?

[keen vortex]

like it's an enum type and it's deliberately misspelled to avoid a collision

[keen vortex]

the debian box sitting on my wife's desk has worked really well for us for years now

[carmine jay]

my ubuntu box next to me has a 99.44% uptime. 🙂

[keen vortex]

aside from the occasional power failure it runs great

[carmine jay]

damn power failures ruining my uptimes.

[keen vortex]

and honestly when the power's out at home i don't really care if our gaming server is up

[fiery dune]

i have the same problem with kimsufi

[keen vortex]

 10:58:21 up 112 days, 21:12,  3 users,  load average: 0.39, 0.43, 0.87

[quick mist]

I've been very happy with Linode.

[keen vortex]

hm

/home/steam/run.sh: line 56: 114 Segmentation fault Engine/Binaries/Linux/UE4Server-Linux-Shipping FactoryGame -log -NoSteamClient -unattended ?listen -Port=$SERVERGAMEPORT -BeaconPort=$SERVERBEACONPORT -ServerQueryPort=$SERVERQUERYPORT -multihome=$SERVERIP

segmentation fault? bad potato

[quick mist]

strike ?listen

[keen vortex]

is that a change with this update?

either it failed to update correctly, or i needed to update the docker container

i recomposed the container and it came up fine

[quick mist]

it's a change from a while ago

[keen vortex]

hm, ok

[white token]

Anyone have a good server hosting service they have been dealing with or any recommendation?

[keen vortex]

i recommend the hosting service of me, me and me.

[quick mist]

Literally less than a dozen messages ago,

[keen vortex]

i have heard good things in genreal about linode

but have never used them

[quick mist]

They are not the cheapest, but I have found that for hosting providers, you get what you pay for.

[keen vortex]

i used to have a few virtuals on Amazon ECS, but that was years ago

my wife used to deal with amazon and azure but not recently

[white token]

I have been using Zap before dedicated was officially released, but keep getting the damn Timed Out error upon connection. Rather frustrating. Like the one above. Sorry for stealing your screenshot @vapid hazel

[quick mist]

connection timeouts like that are usually the result of trying to connect to or from a potato. There are directions on the Wiki to help with that by increasing the timeouts, but it's likely your UX will be ungood with such a connection

[carmine jay]

I got that on one of my saves and my server is right next to me. no potatos here.

it just refused to load on my server but works on single player.

[white token]

I'm pretty far from potato. Gigabyte Aorus Z390 Pro, i9-9900k, Gskill, 2070 Super, M.2 SSD not the top tier, but certainly not close to potato.

[somber plaza]

I got the same issues from Nitroserv hosting. All 3 players get timed out

[keen vortex]

i got that message once, but relaunching the client resolved it

presumably some part of UE4 went sideways during startup

[white token]

Yeah restarting the server, client has helped others but not me. It's a weird glitch.

[keen vortex]

was it working before but no longer, or have you never gotten it working?

[white token]

It was working until I switched my internet connection to Starlink, then when I couldn't connect, I went back to our shitty, duel isdn connection. Still wouldn't connect.

[keen vortex]

mmm, why would changing your public connection affect a local service?

[slim spoke]

lol starlink is like faxing the game server lol

[white token]

I'm not hosting it. Zap is.

[keen vortex]

ah

sorry, i had you confused with someone else

[white token]

And I'm getting 260+Mbps down

[keen vortex]

if i were in your position i'd be wiresharking, but that's just me

[white token]

Runs direct to Starlink data center in Chicago and then straight up to the birds in orbit

[keen vortex]

you don't want to be gaming over a sat link, the latency will be murderous

[carmine jay]

I found restarting the PC's network interface or rebooting helped with mine.

[white token]

But again I went back to local ISP and same thing, I suspect issue on Zap's end or Maybe I should re-install on the client, as I've already done the Steam vaklidation

[slim spoke]

its like old days people on sat net would teleport all over fps servers

[white token]

Validation

[carmine jay]

welp, both my server and client are fully updated and trains are bugged again. the first car works, the other 3 don't do anything. :/ and the station names are visually reset to the default name. the name in the station gui is correct.

[keen vortex]

starlink uses LEO birds so its latency isn't as bad, but it's still a minimum of 50-80 ms more than terrestrial broadband

[weary rose]

does anyone know how to update the server on natrado

[slim spoke]

ask nitrado

[keen vortex]

GEO satellite has a minimum of 650 ms latency

[white token]

Mine averages 20ish

[carmine jay]

depends on how the service is ran on their box.

there's like 3 different ways on linux. lol

[weary rose]

well their help page said restart the server

[carmine jay]

do you have ssh access?

[feral dawn]

it'll be a game control panel most likely

[white token]

Just ran several and various in a row, 39 was my highest spike.

Yeah, I'm gonna perform a re-install server side and see what happens

[weary rose]

@feral dawn their is no real control pannel it litterly says go to the game. but to update nitrado u just restart the server

[feral dawn]

oh 😐

[carmine jay]

restarting the server doesn't seem safe for the save...

[keen vortex]

the game automatically saves whenever a player leaves the server

[feral dawn]

if u have that on, ye

[keen vortex]

it's on by default

[faint lagoon]

Running server in Linux under AMP, how can one adjust when the server autosaves? Is there a file I can modify to adjust this?

[carmine jay]

still. there's a risk of corrupting the most recent save.

[keen vortex]

all configuration is through the client console

[slim spoke]

wiki page tells how

[keen vortex]

there's always a risk of that, but you can always copy the saves in the save folder

i have been dragging the server autosaves out (using winscp) so i can toss them into the interactive map editor webapp

works fine

restarting the server once again caused all our doggos to lose taming

[carmine jay]

I mean, I'll do a manual save in the game and play with that in the webapp then just load the new save in the game once uploaded. I've been doing that over sshfs. 🙂 it gets fun when I involve a windows vm in the mix. mounting a remote dir to a local one then accessing the local one via rdp folder redirection.

[slim spoke]

sync the new files (saves) to be sent to ur comp so u can just load in scim or whatever

[lilac schooner]

the Dedicated server that I setup on my ubuntu fails to launch with error: Illegal instruction (core dumped). Any one know why ?

[carmine jay]

need more info @lilac schooner

[lilac schooner]

That is the only line I get when I run ./FactoryServer.sh and nothing else

[quick mist]

what architecture are you running on?

[lilac schooner]

Architecture: x86_64
CPU op-mode(s): 32-bit, 64-bit

[keen vortex]

illegal instruction? that's usually a library mismatch

[heady parcel]

Angry!
Doesn't dedicated server work on >Early Access<???

[keen vortex]

EA and EXP are on the same build ATM

both EA and the dedicated server updated about two hours ago

if you're getting a version mismatch it's because your client updated but not your server, or vice versa

[heady parcel]

This is what I've done:

• Closed the game (Experimental).
• Closed the CMD for server
• Restarted the CMD with the server (C:\steamcmd>steamcmd +login anonymous +force_install_dir C:\GameServers\SatisfactoryServer +app_update 1690800 validate +quit) ...waited for the CMD-server to start.
• Restarted the game on >Early Access<
• Went to; "Server Manager" --> "Game Ongoing" --> "Manage Saves" --> "Load Game" (loaded the latest game from Experimental)... --> Wait for the server to load that game --> Click on "Status" and "Join game"...........

...after a few seconds I STILL getting the message "Your connection to the host has been lost"?!?!?!?!?!?!

[teal bluff]

Does anyone have a preference / suggestion for a solid dedicated server company? Using G-portal currently and its a little rough

[slim spoke]

it depends where u live and ur budget... best to just look on the net

[teal bluff]

US, budget not a big issue. Yea i've been looking around. All seems the same but figured someone may have a favorite here

[feral dawn]

if ur taking about renting actual tin, OVH is fine tbh

[slim spoke]

or just search top 10 game server hosting companies united states

[heady parcel]

No answer...? 😢

[keen vortex]

i have no experience with the server running on windows

windows is a terrible OS to run servers on

[rose valley]

That's likely because your CPU does not have the SSE4.1 instruction set. What CPU are you using?

[keen vortex]

"illegal instruction" just means that the kernel trapped

that can happen for lots of reasons; not having AVX or SSE is just one of them

in my experience it's usually caused by using the wrong version of a loadable library

[rose valley]

Except we've seen this before for people running the server on Opteron so it's an heuristic.

[keen vortex]

fair enough

i used to write software for the linux platform, so i've seen pretty much every possible fault modality there is

[rose valley]

But I'd be interested in knowing under what circumstances could the kernel trap the process and if there is anything we can do to prevent it.

[keen vortex]

(technically i still do, i suppose, but the linux-specific stuff is done by other people these days in the projects i work on)

it just means that the kernel threw a SIGILL. this can be due to using an opcode the processor refuses to execute, which can arise because the instruction was for one that the processor doesn't support (like AVX or SSE)

but it can also be caused by trying to run 64-bit code in 32-bit mode or vice versa, or by trying to execute non-code

[rose valley]

So undefined behaviour could sometime lead to that outcome I guess? Is anyone curling in a ball at the hearing of those two words?

[keen vortex]

UB can cause anything. UB can cause your computer to turn into a pokemon and eat your cat.

[feral dawn]

but i like my cat.

[rose valley]

Hey don't blame us if that happens, btw.

[feral dawn]

Can i blame Simon?

[keen vortex]

yes

most of the illegal instructions i've encountered in my years have been due to people trying to force a 64-bit system to use a 32-bit library or vice versa, or by bugs that cause stack corruption

a buffer underrun in a local variable can smash the return address, resulting the function return branching to who-knows-where, and if the code there is an illegal instruction it'll SIGILL, if DEP doesn't save your sorry ass first

[rose valley]

Yeah, all those are possible but I'd start with checking for SSE4.1 support in this case. The engine for some reason has it as a baseline on Linux but not on Windows.

And there was a handful of people with this same problem before.

[keen vortex]

to be fair SSE4 is pretty old

[rose valley]

With that as the cause.

[keen vortex]

2007, iirc

[alpine dawn]

What do you mean I can't run this on a pentium 3

[keen vortex]

odd that they don't require it on windows

must be a compiler "feature"

[willow willow]

Hi, I know that the question has already been stated and due to some experiments I would like to dig deeper:

I've tried to run a SatisFactory Server on my RPI4 8GB (Yes I know ARM etc..), but I found some x64 emulator (box64).

I can start the steamCMD and start the server to a certain point (look copy paste below), I was wondering if this error occurs due to the emulation or if there may be sitting a real bad cast in the code:

Using emulated /home/ubuntu/steamcmd/satis/Engine/Plugins/Experimental/GeometryProcessing/Binaries/Linux/libUE4Server-GeometryAlgorithms-Linux-Shipping.so
terminating with uncaught exception of type std::bad_cast: std::bad_cast
Signal 6 caught.

[keen vortex]

maybe using DPPS or DPPD in the physics engine?

i would not expect the engine to run well in a x64 emulator, most of those do not emulate SIMD instructions reliably

that wasn'ta reply to you

those are instructions specific to SSE4.1, which UE4 requires on linux

of the SSE4.1-specific instructions, those seem to me to be the ones they're most likely to leverage, most of the rest are mainly used for manipulating images, which the dedicated engine does relatively little of

[chilly patrol]

Does anyonee using a hoosting service ? Wich one do you use?

[carmine jay]

^ maybe we need a sticky for that

[cunning lichen]

im getting this error, my friends are on the server
https://gyazo.com/d404d8e5de4ea30e47f0c315713c80bb

[heady parcel]

Found the soloution that noone else had the answer to; Why does not dedicated server work from experimental to early access.......close the SMM and start over.....

[keen vortex]

combining mods with the dedicated server is not a recommended configuration

[wicked knot]

Question. I need to reset the PW on my localhost server. How would I do that?

[carmine jay]

restart pc networking or reboot.

[cunning lichen]

tried that

[keen vortex]

fi restarting doesn't work, verify connectivity and firewall

[cunning lichen]

done

still doesnt work

[slim spoke]

shade check server manager server settings i heard there is a button

[carmine jay]

delete the server settings in ~/.config/Epic/FactoryGame/Saved/SaveGames/ if on linux and restart the server and readd it.

[keen vortex]

done how?

[feral dawn]

There is no button bud.

[feral dawn]

Post errors, screenshots, saying "it doesnt work" isnt helpful bud

[cunning lichen]

ive restarted pc, reinstalled the game, restarting router, disabled firewall temporarily, checked ISP isnt blocking the server somehow

[slim spoke]

some kitten person tripped on me saying there was

[keen vortex]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#How_do_I_reset_the_Administrator_password.3F

[heady parcel]

I tried last night to play on Early Access on my own game (outside the dedicated server...that I had on experimental...) and tried the mods on SMM and it worked...but today My friends wanted to play on the dedicated server so I started it on the >Early Access< but forgot the turn of the SMM........so....turned that one off and TADA.....it work with dedicated server on Early Access...

[carmine jay]

that button only appears if you're already connected and authenticated. ( i think)

[slim spoke]

and bla bla cause i said read the wiki on how to reset admin pass lol

[feral dawn]

oh sorry, Server Password button - yes, i thought it was server name for a minute.

[lunar falcon]

Hey Guys i have a question, we Build ouer own server on a windows based Root. Our problem is that we can not join with more than 4 players on the game, the server is installed by steamcmd. Can anyone help me with this problem? We tried to change the game.ini but it doesn’t work

[slim spoke]

ahhh kk good to know its there hehe

[heady parcel]

But a question.....doesn't mods work on dedicated server....? (I know it's not right room to ask this on...)

[slim spoke]

no

[keen vortex]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#How_can_I_have_more_than_four_players_in_my_server.3F

if those directions didn't work, you did something wrong

[slim spoke]

use the cmd in console then exit the server

it writes out the inis

also max players section probably has to be the first thing in ini

[keen vortex]

it has to be in the [/Script/Engine.GameSession] section

if you put MaxPlayers=n anywhere other than immediately after [/Script/Engine.GameSession] it won't work

[slim spoke]

the stuff u copy u put first in ini

[keen vortex]

it can be at the top, the bottom, or anywhere else as long as i t's not in the middle of the other stanzas

[slim spoke]

then net changes or anything else come after

[vast dragon]

Hello, yesterday launched a dedicated server. My friends and I played it. However, an update was released today, and we cannot connect, the game says that the client version and the server version are different. I updated the server according to the instructions from the site https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#How_do_I_update_the_Dedicated_Server.3F but the problem remains - the game says that the client and server versions are different. What am I doing wrong?

[versed merlin]

Be forewarned: the 4-player limit isn't a "problem" it's how the game is designed. 🙂 changing playerlimit is done at your own risk and your player's experience may not meet FICSIT, INC's high standards for efficiency and quality.

[alpine dawn]

are the clients experimental or EA?

[wicked knot]

FICSIT high standards 🤣 🤣

[alpine dawn]

I suspect your server and clients diverged

[vast dragon]

EA

[versed merlin]

You know it's not the right room to ask, but you went on through and asked anyways?

No mods currently.

[carmine jay]

this is new...

[alpine dawn]

I assume you updated the server and the clients?

[keen vortex]

i had that happen to me last night. shortly thereafter the server crashed.

[alpine dawn]

oof we not validating user input for save names?

[keen vortex]

i think it does validate., just that the server was in a Bad Way that made the validation fail always

[carmine jay]

tried to join it and it crashed. yay!

[alpine dawn]

gg

[versed merlin]

ruh roh

[vast dragon]

Yes, we are all on EA branches, today we received the update, everyone installed it, I launched the update on the server according to the instructions. But client reports that the server version is lower. It turns out the server is not updated

[carmine jay]

wow, not even a process running. oof

[heady parcel]

Yes I asked here because there is two choice: Ask on room "Dedicated server" (wich I think this is for....) or on room "Modds".....

[wicked knot]

OK, how do I fics THIS?

[versed merlin]

Woooow!

[fleet silo]

if the early access gets an update, do I also have to update the server?

[versed merlin]

Well, you guessed wrong. 😉

[carmine jay]

yes

[keen vortex]

yes

[versed merlin]

😄 Keep an eye on the mods areas, as modders have access to the dedicated server stuff, they'll be posting in their own areas.

[alpine dawn]

well now I just want to get in and start aluminum production

[keen vortex]

i imagine there will be mods for the dedicated server eventually, but not right away

[versed merlin]

And they will not be supported here.

[keen vortex]

well, of course not

[fleet silo]

and I have to re-download everything?

[alpine dawn]

yes

[keen vortex]

probably, yes

[alpine dawn]

updating redownloads

[keen vortex]

i dunno, i didn't pay attention to waht it downloaded when i updated it

[fleet silo]

this need to be fixed

[keen vortex]

fixed how?

[vast dragon]

Here is a message

[fleet silo]

checking what files are chaging and download only them

instead of the whole server

[feral dawn]

Steam does do this

[fleet silo]

I'm using steamcmd

[feral dawn]

yes it does that

[fleet silo]

and it doesn't seems to do so

oh really?

[feral dawn]

ye bud

[wicked knot]

still steam, just the command line version

[feral dawn]

steamcmd uses the same download technology that is in the steam client

[keen vortex]

the reason why it's still a large downlaod is that the server is basically one very large file

[feral dawn]

it is possible the metadata becomes broken, and steamcmd will re-download the whole package if this is the cae

[slim spoke]

steam sucks for updating and replaces the whole package

[zinc wharf]

Lucky it doesn’t take long to update

[keen vortex]

/config/gamefiles/FactoryGame/Content/Paks/FactoryGame-LinuxServer.pak is 1.47 GB

[quick mist]

Steam absolutely does deltas, what are you talking about?

[slim spoke]

ask google to translate

[keen vortex]

mine updated too quickly for it to have been a full download

[jovial comet]

anyone having issues where the conveyor belt lift has incorrect graphics?

[keen vortex]

so it's obviously using deltas

[feral dawn]

Indeed, it depends on the chunk sizes used and stuff during the delta computation

but usually, if a 15GB file needed a 2mb update, it would download 2mb

then crunch some numbers for awhile

[slim spoke]

devs talked about how steam was trying to fix things cause it was messing up updating the game

[keen vortex]

steam can be fun that way

[muted wyvern]

Anyone having issues with Valves on dedicated servers? I find that if i type in a value and press enter, the value doesnt actually apply to the valve (but the UI Updates). Meanwhile, if i click and drag the slider it works (but is impercise)

[slim spoke]

its not just this game its most likely ue. ive seen other games suffer the same issue

[wintry ravine]

how do those servers work?

[keen vortex]

i once spent an evening trying to make sense of UE

[versed merlin]

I personally haven’t seen this yet. others here may have. did you check the QA site for reports of this behaviors yet?

[wintry ravine]

i have downloaded dedicated servers on steam and does basically nothing

[alpine dawn]

lmao, I went to start my game and ended up in the same boat as some of you...version mismatch :/ now I have to wait for the server to do its thing

[muted wyvern]

@versed merlin , I went looking for the link and didn't find it. I posted in general questions and was referred here. Do you have the link handy?

[slim spoke]

pinned messages has link to wiki page for installing servers

[alpine dawn]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers

[versed merlin]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com

[muted wyvern]

Thanks!

[muted wyvern]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/61859277831c85205235ad82 we found one. 🙂

[keen vortex]

i should take some time to check the QA for the issues we've had on the dedicated server

[versed merlin]

always a good idea. and if you don’t see it, post it!

[keen vortex]

god, some of the things people post there.

i mean, i'm used to it but really

[versed merlin]

yeah, it’s a dumping ground for things that really aren’t CSS’s fault, things that are bugs, and things that are wishlists, and everything in between.

[muted wyvern]

This is the monstrosity i'm working on.. and the valve issue became a REAL issue XD

[novel mauve]

what is the average tick rate?

[versed merlin]

check the pins

messages

[keen vortex]

the "sudden sunrise" behavior is a bit freaky

i need to try to get a video of it

[versed merlin]

the whole “ANGELIC CHOIR BURSTING INTO SONG AS THE INCANDESCENT GLARE OF A BILLION STARS BLIND ALL BELOW” event?

[keen vortex]

it was abrupt before, but now it's like flipping a lightswitch

BAM everything is GLARINGLY RED

and then BAM dark

and then BAM WHITENESS EVERYWHERE

[novel mauve]

this does not say what it is, just how to modify it

[versed merlin]

read it again

[versed merlin]

have you or an admin changed it?

[versed merlin]

just put on some 132bpm dance music and off ya go!

[alpine dawn]

FG.NetworkQuality is supposed to do what exactly? the wiki just says setting it to 3 is equivalent to Ultra in the client settings...but what exactly is that supposed to do?

[novel mauve]

no

[versed merlin]

so it’s set at default?

[feral dawn]

@alpine dawn in the background it tweaks bandwidth values and stuff like that to allow for more data to be sent bettween server and client.

[novel mauve]

yes, 30

[alpine dawn]

oh

[versed merlin]

there you go.

[alpine dawn]

it should just live on 3

lmao

[feral dawn]

lol yeah

[versed merlin]

but… what about my 56.6k dialup modem? 😥

[feral dawn]

may it combust with data flow 😄

[keen vortex]

i have a 9600 baud modem i can loan you if you need it

[feral dawn]

rail in this game does not make sense to me lol

[versed merlin]

Nah, no need. I have that up when I left Compuserve and went to Prodigy.

but thanks!

[keen vortex]

it's a USRobotics from 1987. i don't know where the power supply is so you'll have to figure that out yourself. i got it half off, only cost me $525.

[versed merlin]

LOL! I’ll string together a bunch of AA Batteries. I’m sure it’ll br fine.

[feral dawn]

Might as well just yell ones and zeroes down a tin can and string 😄

[alpine dawn]

would be nice if there was a command to skip night time

[versed merlin]

but then all your factories and conveyors and such will need to do the time warp

(It’s just step to the left..)

[feral dawn]

there was a mod that made the sun never go down, so it's ofc possible - maybe one day™️

[versed merlin]

Maybe one day. but never another night.

[quick mist]

There is: Build a giant building containing the entire world, and festoon it with ceiling lights.

[versed merlin]

dyson sphere incoming.

[feral dawn]

the multiplayer mod for that game is great ^

[versed merlin]

hmmm… a dyson swarm would be better, i suspect

[versed merlin]

i haven’t played it. will take a look

[polar umbra]

Myself and a friend are both connected to my server over LAN, but neither of us can see or interact with each other. What might I have done wrong?

[versed merlin]

crickets

[polar umbra]

We can stand in the same place and pick up the same items. We seem to be on separate instances rather than actually playing together.

[versed merlin]

gotta say, that is bizarre. i’ve not seen that before. someone else here may have. have you checked questions.satisfactorygame.com to see if anyone else has reported a similar issue?

[polar umbra]

I'll check

[muted wyvern]

@polar umbra i ran into that previously. Server restart resolved it.

[polar umbra]

Derp. I figured it out. I pressed "continue" from the main menu since it showed my server save expecting it to join the server. It didn't join the server, it started a local copy of that save.

[muted wyvern]

in my case, we could both pick up and put down items, and interact with storages. We could also pick u the same item off the ground. Twas weird.

[celest bough]

Anyone have an issue with the console launching then shutting down? I've installed and tried server configuration via Steam and SteamCMD on Windows 10. Seems like it's not finding a specific file?

Other errors:

[alpine dawn]

I managed to blaze a path to the nearest bauxite node

Yay aluminum soon

[keen vortex]

i have friends who've done that (literally)

[alpine dawn]

I assume you have tried reverification of the server files?

[keen vortex]

i had one earlier where i could turn in place, but not move, and any attempt to interact with any nearby object did nothing

[celest bough]

I have. Multiple times, along with reinstallation via both Steam and SteamCMD. Even changed file path thinking it may not have liked not being on the C: drive. Nothing.

I can't even get the console window to pause before exit to review the logs... I had to record screen and go back through and parse it.

Running with launch parameters of -log, -unattended, and -multihome (with 0.0.0.0 and server IP)

[alpine dawn]

Real dumb question... have you simply rebooted windows?

[silver hedge]

hello guys, how to solve the problem?

[celest bough]

@silver hedge I'm in the same boat...

[celest bough]

Honestly, not sure. Lemme give that a go haha

[silver hedge]

I think the problem is in the ports

[keen vortex]

i would probably manually run the command in an already-open command shell instead of running a batch file

that way the window won't autoclose

[celest bough]

Oh that's a good look @keen vortex . I'll try that after restart.

@silver hedge I've confirmed my ports are open so that's not it for me at least

[alpine dawn]

Yeah there are some other dedicated servers that have ports that overlap be sure to turn those off

Arc comes to mind

[celest bough]

Only other thing I'm running on my server machine is a Plex server with associated apps (radarr, sonarr, etc.) I checked that those ports don't overlap as well

[alpine dawn]

Yeah that should be fine I would think

I run Plex on my server as well so I know that it's not an issue

[celest bough]

I love Plex. Got into that nearly a decade ago and have never looked back

[keen vortex]

the network engineer in me twitches a bit at binding both 0.0.0.0 and the local server ip; that's overlapping

[alpine dawn]

Think he tried one then the other but if not yes that would probably break it

[keen vortex]

most network stacks will replace 0.0.0.0 with either the host's preferred address or with a magic that means "all interfaces"

but i am not familiar specifically with UE4's networking engine

[alpine dawn]

Honestly it's better these days to use ::

[celest bough]

I tried 0.0.0.0 first then local network IP second and neither worked.

Fresh Windows restart made no difference... Trying the command shell launch now

[keen vortex]

back in the 90s i spent about three months chasing gremlins in Dynix's TCP/IP implementation, some of which had to do with binding host addresses to new sockets

[tall heron]

Hello, I wanted to ask whether the interface for the dedicated could be changed, so that you no longer have to enter an IP address but enter the name of Dedicated, then enter the password and the current interface is much more unmistakable

[keen vortex]

um, i'm using the address for my dedicated server

name, not number. works great

[alpine dawn]

As long as it's a dns name it should be fine

[keen vortex]

i don't even remember what the IP address of our dedicated server is

that's what DNS Is for

[alpine dawn]

Pretty sure I am using my servers internal name fs01

[fleet silo]

is the problem with the belts something will be fixed? The items are not displayed properly and I can't understand the rate of how many are going thru the belts

[alpine dawn]

Yes they will be

[keen vortex]

belts are doing all sorts of funny things right now

[fleet silo]

Ok!

[keen vortex]

just adding to the challenge factor!

[worldly crow]

does anyone know how to fix this?

[quick mist]

that's just a warning, nothing is going wrong

but to not get that warning, follow the directions it's giving you:

[maiden widget]

guys i wonder how many players ppl tried on dedicated servers and it was stable enough to play a game? Also which hosting u reccomend in Europe? Nitrado any good?

[quick mist]

use force_install_dir before login anonymous

[bronze flare]

Running in to issues on my dedicated servers where the trains load perfectly fine but does not unload at all ? The stations are configured correctly for this. The trains says docking but after 60 seconds it moves right along back to the loading station instead.

[worldly crow]

tyty

[silver hedge]

guys, who will tell you how to open port 15777 on the router Mercusys

[short blade]

Whenever I try to connect to my friend's dedicated server, I get "your connection to the host has been lost"

[carmine jay]

apparently my trains can load all the cars but refuse to unload all the cars, just the first one. :/

needs to test fluids.

both SP and dedi.

[versed merlin]

the owner’s manual or the manufacturer website. teaching people how to open or forward ports on their own routers is beyond the scope of this channel.

[versed merlin]

the recommended player limit is four. ou cam set the limit above that at your own discretion at your own risk 🙂

i have seen player limits set as high as 20 but i suspect that the experience was not good.

[primal lion]

Do I have to buy a second copy of satisfactory on steam in order to be able to host?

[quick mist]

No

[primal lion]

How do i get the Satisfactory hosting tool on my hosting account then, cant find it

[quick mist]

directions are on the Wiki

[primal lion]

I was just there, but ill check again

[quick mist]

CSS is working with Valve to get it to appear on Steam for non-owners, but in the mean time, you can use SteamCMD

[primal lion]

never used steam cmd in my life lol. Guess we lernin today

[silver hedge]

Ok

[misty otter]

Saw someone do 100
wonder how much hell it was

[primal lion]

jeeees i hate cmd line work so much

So, all this code in the steamcmd tutorial doesnt work lol

[quick mist]

define 'doesn't work'

[versed merlin]

SteamCMD is pretty easy. It’s literally just a matter of installing SteamCMD, then using one command line to install/update the server files

[primal lion]

"command not found" steamcmd "command not found" +force_install_directory

[versed merlin]

Whaaaaaat? Specificity?!

[versed merlin]

You must install SteamCMD first.

[primal lion]

im in steam cmd

[quick mist]

I suspect you are not but I have been wrong before

[primal lion]

logged in anonymous

Redirecting stderr to 'J:\Games\SteamCMD\logs\stderr.txt'
Looks like steam didn't shutdown cleanly, scheduling immediate update check
[ 0%] Checking for available updates...
[----] Verifying installation...
Steam Console Client (c) Valve Corporation - version 1637624355
-- type 'quit' to exit --
Loading Steam API...OK

Steam>+force_install_dir "C:\GameServers\SatisfactoryServer" +login anonymous +app_update 1690800 validate +quit
Command not found: +force_install_dir

[quick mist]

do not use the +s when using SteamCMD interactively

[primal lion]

thank you

[quick mist]

those are for sending a series of commands all at once

[primal lion]

I see, so initial command does not need the +

this is what the site told me to do lol

[quick mist]

not quite

[versed merlin]

The + signs are for stringing a series of commands together with options, as if you wanted to run it from the Windows/Linux command line and not within SteamCMD itself

[feral dawn]

If you're running steamcmd from the command line and feeding the parameters to it, like steamcmd.exe +login .... +blah thing +foo bar, you need the +'s

If you start steamcmd and then get the console Steam> then you dont need the +'s

[versed merlin]

Please link to the precise instructions that told you to do this, so we can make sure to edit those appropriately.

[primal lion]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#SteamCMD

[quick mist]

what the SF Wiki told you to do is to, at a PowerShell or CMD prompt, run:

steamcmd +force_install_dir C:\Path\To\your\Server +login anonymous +app_update 1690800 validate +quit

what you did was

steamcmd

and then started talking to Steam

[primal lion]

i see now they are contained on a different page, so now i am trying

the valve wiki

i did the whole command, but i guess i have to use cmd to navigate to the steam folder first or something

[quick mist]

or to whever it was you installed SteamCMD. Or just specify the path to SteamCMD when invoking, e. g. C:\Wherever\You\Installed\It\steamcmd.exe [...]

[feral dawn]

Yes, or... AlienX's Top Tip: Hold Shift + right click a empty area in the folder you want to open a command prompt/powershell window at, and an option will be on your right click menu

super useful 🙂

[primal lion]

Awesome!

am i stupid?

Redirecting stderr to 'J:\Games\SteamCMD\logs\stderr.txt'
Looks like steam didn't shutdown cleanly, scheduling immediate update check
[  0%] Checking for available updates...
[----] Verifying installation...
Steam Console Client (c) Valve Corporation - version 1637624355
-- type 'quit' to exit --
Loading Steam API...OK

Steam>steamcmd +force_install_dir C:\GameServers\SatisfactoryServer +login anonymous +app_update 1690800 validate +quit
Command not found: steamcmd

Steam>

[quick mist]

you're already in steamcmd when using the full command. don't do that

[feral dawn]

type quit into the Steam> bit

then try it again

[primal lion]

i just need to be in the root folder then?

[feral dawn]

you're currently in the SteamCMD application

not in a folder

[quick mist]

you need to be in the directory in which steamcmd lives

then give it the full command

[primal lion]

got you

[quick mist]

not just steamcmd or steamcmd.exe

[primal lion]

im getting powershell

[feral dawn]

are u doing the right click method?

[feral dawn]

cause u need to change it to .\steamcmd then, to load it from the current directory in Powershell.... Because "reasons".

[primal lion]

why the .\

[quick mist]

. is "the current directory"

[primal lion]

ah

[quick mist]

so you're saying "in the correct directory, look for and run steamcmd with the following parameters"

[primal lion]

i dont use CMD to navigate windows, so I appreciate you

its working

[feral dawn]

woot

[primal lion]

i was missing the .\

[versed merlin]

[quick mist]

(I have just updated the Wiki to be correct whether the user is in cmd or PowerShell:)

[primal lion]

You guys rock, and sorry about my frustration

[feral dawn]

Have u done any of the port forwarding yet, because while it's downloading that's a great time to do it 😄

[primal lion]

On it!

[quick mist]

no worries, we're happy to help. thanks for listening, and for your forbearance with the Wiki needing a small upate.

[versed merlin]

glad you stuck with it. keep in mind, we’re all volunteers here, too. Sometimes, we need to update the wiki as real-world cases happen.

[feral dawn]

it's very hard to write documentation when you're already savvy with the functionality your writing about, it would seem haha.

[versed merlin]

Glad it’s working

[primal lion]

I am glad i learned a new way to grab server tools wihout needing to buy them

[quick mist]

yep, it's pretty common for dedicated servers to be given away for free, but sometimes they're squirreled away

[primal lion]

I couldnt figure it out for valheim, so i bought a copy on my second machine

[versed merlin]

and, the nice part is that the SteamCMD server files don’t care if the game clients your friends use is from Steam or Epic. they all can join, once you get it set up.

[feral dawn]

or, sometimes they are only given to popular game server providers, which makes me super mad.

[quick mist]

I remember back before Steam having to get updates for my TFC server from Valve's FTP site

[quick mist]

This is also the case for the server fetched from Tools in the Steam GUI, for the record (:

[versed merlin]

good point. thanks for clarifying.

[feral dawn]

I remember back in the day hosting a C&C Renegade Server on Windows XP would eventually crash because it would fill up the internal cmd prompt stdout buffer lol 😄

[quick mist]

the files are exactly the same, in point of fact, so once downloaded you don'e even need Steam running to host the DS once it's downloaded (:

[warm peak]

My Ded-Serv is hosted at g-portal. They are using the experimental service and saying that the two have combined. That is Easy Access and Exprimental. I thought we had to change both the Ded-Serv and client to use Easy Access.

[quick mist]

They are incorrect. What did happen is that the default version of the DS became the EA version once it was available in EA

[versed merlin]

they are wrong. EA and Experimental are now different version numbers.

IIRC

Ghoti will correct me, I’m sure,

😄

[quick mist]

I don't have both downloaded, but I can check (:

[versed merlin]

LOL

[feral dawn]

https://steamdb.info/app/1690800/depots/

[quick mist]

they might be in lockstep right now

[flat forum]

If they aren't different yet the next experimental update will make them different

[feral dawn]

depots still synced according to this, but who knows!

[versed merlin]

whoops.

[feral dawn]

i like steamdb.info, it's nice to kinda look a little tiny bit behind the curtain

either that, or im just easily pleased 😄

[primal lion]

game is downloaded, ports forwarded. Downloading code environment prerequisites

[quick mist]

Only if you don't rely on our telepathy to know what help you need, Ford

[versed merlin]

So, @warm peak - back to your point: Currently the two versions seem to be the same. Soon, however, the Exp branch will start getting updates, and the EA branch will stay at the current “stable” (HAHAHAHAHAHA) version.

[versed merlin]

little of column a, little of column b?

[feral dawn]

oo something shiny!