dedicated-servers

[lofty latch]

loool I never thought about it but I totally get you

[fickle zinc]

mmm winamp still kicks the llamas ass

[haughty zodiac]

yea, thats another story, you have to compare it to your experience when you join aa friend, this has always been bad 😉

if one hosts it locally, you have the advantage, that at least 1 player got a good experience 😄

but on dedicated it is fair, all have the same issues 🙂

[grizzled bear]

Yikes I wonder if that means the fix won't be coming any time soon, if it's always been like this in locally hosted multiplayer

[thorny magnet]

Yeah it's always been a doozy trying to use trains in multiplayer lol

[fickle zinc]

ya, I'll probably just avoid trains until some of the issues are ironed out.

[haughty zodiac]

in the stable, one of us hosted, so he had the responsibility to configure the train routes

[grizzled bear]

Unfortunately my friends and I are ~90 hours into a dedicated server save with a decent sized train network lol

[haughty zodiac]

it didn't work on joined clients reliably

[grizzled bear]

Might have to do local hosted or something for now

[rose lotus]

@lofty latch Got it working! Added UDP rules in addition to the TCP inbound rules and it found the server. Thanks again for all the help!!

[haughty zodiac]

yea, they will have the same experience on your machines hosting
but you as a host can do things that you could not do on the dedicated as a client

[fickle zinc]

90hrs!! it just came out tuesday lol

I've got 45hrs with my friends, I thought that was a lot

[grizzled bear]

haha 90 hours is actually disingenuous, I think he left it set to run when we're not on

I'd say we've probably played like 50ish

[fickle zinc]

ahh ok

lol

[haughty zodiac]

or the friends live in different imtezones 😄

and they did working shifts

[left venture]

Just hit 122 hrs here on our MP Server

Beats doing Uni work 😛

[foggy agate]

mine is at 104 hours

[left venture]

We just unlocked Tier7/8 finally 🙂

[ivory sand]

How many ppl are you? @left venture

I mean on the Server

[left venture]

2 Active out of 4

[ivory sand]

ok

[marble light]

i didnt thhink i needed to buy a second copy to use dedicated servers

[compact basin]

Is there a way to see the current milestone on the server?, mine is hiddne

[left venture]

its a known bug atm Jadeshaw

[compact basin]

oh ok thx

[left venture]

You dont need to but a 2nd copy Hugh

[marble light]

ok to post an image?

[main void]

Yes @marble light

[marble light]

this is on my dedicated server with a separate steam log in

[timber agate]

does anybody know how to change the amount of saves the Server is keeping?

[main void]

Use SteamCMd and login anonymously

[haughty zodiac]

dunno but worst case just delete them from file system 🙂

[marble light]

ok thank you @main void

[timber agate]

he is only keeping the last 3 but i want all of the last 48H @haughty zodiac

[fickle zinc]

This is why I wanted a way to call the save method on a cron

[raw swan]

does anyone have trains loading/unloading on multiplayer?

[grand geode]

had to set it up in single player

[warped valve]

@grand geode I added -NoSteam Tag.. and tested again, no disconnect 30 min nonstop driving.

[raw swan]

@grand geode how do you mean? it just doesn't work in multiplayer?

[grand geode]

nope had to re-created the freight platforms / timetables in single player then it works ok when you put it back on server

[raw swan]

i've got a simple setup. only two stations with 1 frieght platform each on a single closed loop. no matter the configuration they won't load/unload. got one to unload once but never again since.

[lime portal]

hello someone know how long the "server is preparing a new game" can take? i got a 2vcpu 4gm ram vps and it takes more than 15 minutes, is this normal?

[grand geode]

no its takes like seconds

[lime portal]

okay thanks

[weak jewel]

something is wrong, i can tell it

infinite wooooooood

[fickle zinc]

4GB of ram likely wont be enough 🙂

[quaint acorn]

Is this an issue, or could it cause client connection timeouts?

[lime portal]

recommened are 6 but should work with 4

[fickle zinc]

I had client crashing issues when I ran it with 4

[balmy glacier]

Those are normal errors, ignore

[dire marsh]

Anyone else experience a bug with the server list when a server goes down? Had to re-add it to my server list and wanna let someone know about it

[foggy agate]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

[foggy agate]

look it up there 🙂

[prime gorge]

Never ran into such an behavior

[woven prism]

Are there recommended/minimum cpu specs? Would a 32-core server make up for low speeds?

[balmy glacier]

How low?

[woven prism]

2.93 Ghz allegedly

[balmy glacier]

This was said earlier

[woven prism]

Oof

Thanks

[foggy agate]

the server is single thread, so a high IPC is crutial. 🙂

prob. Ryzen 5000 or Intel 12th Gen would be better

[woven prism]

Dang. Well it'd be free so... Lol

[dusk flicker]

im running mine on a 4790k

[woven prism]

Might give it a shot anyways

Does it use less cpu than a non-dedicated server?

[foggy agate]

what is a non-dedicated server?

[woven prism]

Update 4 multiplayer host

[foggy agate]

I don't know if you should (or even could) compare these.

[woven prism]

From a performance standpoint only

[foggy agate]

is like comparing apples with pines. 2 different things.

[quaint acorn]

I don't know if this was the trick that solved the Client Timeout error, but I changed the setting "Energy Efficient Ethernet" to false on my NIC which may have solved it. No guarantees as also did a lot of driver updates (which didn't solve it on first restart).

[frosty gale]

I'm running the dedicated server on a tiny mini PC with a Celeron. Works fine (if ignoring the bugs, of course). That's just with two players and mid tier factory, so might change my opinion down the line

[woven prism]

What I mean is would running a save on a dedicated server use less cpu than hosting the game on my own box

That I'm trying to play from

[frosty gale]

I can only guess, but I would say the total should be about the same, you're just splitting off the server load to the dedicated server.

[foggy agate]

it should add up to the same use.

[woven prism]

Ah, thanks

[foggy agate]

yeah prob. that did the trick. Thats a known windows problem

[quaint acorn]

blimey - how obscure is that!? Well, we'll see if it is it

[foggy agate]

the problem is that the nic dosn't get data all the time and so it powers down to save energy.

then you see the disconnect.

[timid shard]

how do i join a friends dedicated server

[foggy agate]

have you downloaded the experimental version?

[timid shard]

yes

[foggy agate]

then you see a server manager?

[timid shard]

yes

[foggy agate]

there you have to type in the external IP of your friends server and hit connect

might get asked for a password and then you should be fine. 🙂

[timid shard]

wait how to we get a server

[drifting wraith]

I want to setup a dedicated server on a headless Linux box, but I purchased Satisfactory back when it was only on Epic Game Store... am I screwed?

[thorny magnet]

Are the floor holes still borked on dedicated servers? They seem to work alright in single player, but despite my best efforts I can't get them to function on dedicated haha

[foggy agate]

no use steamcmd

[thorny magnet]

No, use SteamCMD - it is free for all to download/setup

[foggy agate]

seems so.. 🙂

[drifting wraith]

I don't have to own the game to setup a server? okay

[ashen pecan]

I'm havin' the same issue haha. Can only snap above or below, not both on our session

[foggy agate]

yes. 🙂

[drifting wraith]

great, thanks 🙂

[timid shard]

how do i get a server then?

a new one

[foggy agate]

set one up?

[timid shard]

how

[thorny magnet]

Read the wiki, the pinned message in this channel

[foggy agate]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers

read here and you should be good to go. 🙂

[timid shard]

the wiki is confusing me

[foggy agate]

then you prob should wait until its fully released. 🙂

[clever anvil]

Running a dedicated server may not be for you then. Maybe you'd be more interested in paying a host? 🙂

[lofty latch]

try one of the automated options instead then?

[wet cedar]

If you're a madlad who runs ArchLinux on the server, there is a package in the AUR. It's as simple as installing yay then yay -S satisfactory-server

[lofty latch]

there's a section on the wiki for it

[foggy agate]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers/Automated_Solutions

there you go. 🙂

[thorny magnet]

There's a video by some strange british man that can help

[lofty latch]

lol xD

[timid shard]

ok what about how to find out the external ip for a friends one

[thorny magnet]

😛 @lofty latch

[clever anvil]

whatsmyip.com

[foggy agate]

myip.is

[wet cedar]

Change your nick to "Some Strange Bit" Mike

[proper elbow]

Anyone having any issues with trains not loading oil?

We built a two way train line from main base to oil to pick up oil and bring back to base. We initially had issues with oil filling the station, but that seems to have fixed itself with a restart. But now no matter what we do, the train doesn't want to load the oil. It'll dock and immediately head back to the other station and so on and so forth just ping ponging no matter what settings I change, flush oil and refill, remove train and create new.

For clarification, it's a single cargo car train with an engine on either end

[thorny magnet]

I think there are definitely folks having the same troubles as you Mister Pipps, trains seem to be a bit of a pain point for most on dedicated servers

Especially since nobody gets the benefits of being the glorious Host, who has magical powers to access/edit the train schedules lol

[proper elbow]

Well, I've been able to get into the train and change up the "if this, then that" programming if that's what you're talking about. But it doesn't seem to make a difference

[proper elbow]

You took the save, loaded it on single player, set the train schedule and it put it back on the server and it's g2g?

[thorny magnet]

I've heard people having success with that

[proper elbow]

Trying this workaround, I'll report back my findings.

[woven prism]

Report on qa site because they made some fixes for train setup last week

[grand geode]

theres loads of posts about it already

like one of the problem on a dedicated serve rjump in a train and the client ranodmly crashes

normally when trying to view the timetable

[woven prism]

Just up vote it then

[foggy agate]

as is said, its experimental. you can't expect that anything works 😄

[rose valley]

I doubt it's going to get easier once released. The server will still need installation and port forwarding will still be required. Many things will change but the basic setup procedure will likely not change much.

[foggy agate]

but at least, we can trust your QC that everything that should work, will work. 🙂 Also it might be less frustrating, if you write a real documentation with full release. 🙂

[rose valley]

But that is going to have the same steps. And for the most, the steps in the wiki work(all of them, as far as I'm currently informed). If they don't, we want to know.

[foggy agate]

also in my opinion, it shouldn't be too easy. Hosting a Server (with port forwarding and all that stuff) is kind of a security risk, so you need to have a bit of knowledge.

[rose valley]

It should be easy to host a server locally. And that is kinda easy, assuming you can install from steam.

[solar remnant]

@rose valley Sorry for the ping, but do you happen to know of a way to get the automatic restart and update on an OpenRC service as in when not using systemD?

[foggy agate]

I can only see it with my own eyes. for me it was easy. But I know a lot about Linux and Servers. For someone who is scared about the command shell, it prob look complicated. From a Development view, I would aggree that it should be easy, but from a security view, I don't think hosting should be soo easy.

[foggy agate]

its in the wiki.....

[solar remnant]

It IS not.

[foggy agate]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#.5BLinux.5D_OpenRC_on_Gentoo

[rose valley]

yeah but that's the thing. beyond the simplest use cases, it's still a command line application. and that we won't be able to do anything about.

[solar remnant]

Which lacks automatic restart and update.

[rose valley]

I have no experience with OpenRC. As far as I could quickly tell googling a bit, it doesn't have support for that. This thread on reddit seems to have some information on the topic (and some workarounds):
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gentoo/comments/dl5m7h/how_to_keep_a_service_running_autorestart_with/

[foggy agate]

because with openRC that shouldn't be easy possible. 🙂

[solar remnant]

Apperantly it is possible, but with the help of supervise-daemon.

Altough, I have no idea how to use that. :D

[foggy agate]

even under gentoo you can switch to systemd, wich is much more easy.

[balmy glacier]

I use linuxgsm for server and have setup crons for auto updates and restarts.

[solar remnant]

I dispise SystemD.

"The real anger against systemd is that it's inflexible by design because it wants to combat fragmentation, it wants to exist in the same way everywhere to do that. The people that dislike systemd are mostly the people that wanted to choose, and systemd takes this away with Lennart's primadonna attitude typically coming down to 'You shouldn't be caring about no longer being able to do this, because I don't care about it'."

[foggy agate]

you basicly need to define a health check function so the openrc can now when the service has crashed.

when you have done this, you can let the supervisor check for that and then restart the service.

[hybrid bane]

Pretty straight forward to secure if you follow some basic steps, don't run anything else on the vm unless needed, install under separate user that isn't privileged, keep the server updated. An attacker would need to be able to exploit the Satisfactory server itself to try and gain access to your machine. If the user running the server doesn't have privileges there isn't much they can do even if they get access.

[rose valley]

IMO everyone should run their servers containerized, and ideally in rootless containers using podman, not docker. But I don't feel like taking such a hard stance. I feel it could backfire.

[solar remnant]

I'm yet to research doing things with podman rather than docker.

[calm saffron]

Had a short test-run with a friend on dedicated servers over the weekend, and while it mostly worked (excepting known issues like the rebar gun), my friend reported that the "perceived" latency was pretty high - we both had actual latency of about 180ms to the server (and then the same again to each other). He said it felt like 400-500ms, while I'd say it felt more like the actual latency of 180ms. I'm not sure if I'm just more inured to high latency, or if there was an actual difference there 🤔 But at least it worked! I don't have to be the latency pariah anymore ><

[foggy agate]

no you are right about that. But the thing is, you need to know the tools you are using and not everyone wants that or has the time to. If you do this for a living, there isn't a huge problem with that, but for some folks who just want to play the game.......

[wet cedar]

podman

I like you.

Docker a shit

Podman is much nicer

[lofty latch]

isn't podman syntax compatible with docker?

[wet cedar]

Thats how you steal marketshare

😉

[foggy agate]

yes it is. 🙂

or at least thats what podman wants to be 😄

[calm saffron]

Yeah, that's the thing - I do a lot of this (or similar) for work, so it's not a big deal, just mildly time-consuming. But for someone who wants to do this with no prior experience? They're honestly better off paying for hosting. Hosting will probably be a bit on the expensive side, though, given how RAM and CPU-intensive this game is 🤔

[lofty latch]

I make server automation tools for work, who needs hosts? 😂

[calm saffron]

I want to host a server midway between me and my friends. Since we're on other sides of the world, that's going to involve paying for some sort of host 🤔

[rose valley]

It did bring a nice idea to the table so credit where credit is due. But podman is more secure by a very wide margin.

[lofty latch]

more to the point - docker made it easy

docker run -it debian:10-slim

[rose valley]

yeah. they brought containers to the mainstream. and containers are beyond awesome.

[lofty latch]

"It works on my machine" - ship the entire damn machine xD

[lofty latch]

you just need a cheap VPS/dedi and a management system

no need to learn how the actual game server works

[wet cedar]

It's really just another type of abstraction layer, but it works

[lofty latch]

It's not far away from chroot on steroids

[wet cedar]

Yeah, its the spiritual successor to FreeBSD jails

[calm saffron]

Yeah, basically - chroot + cgroups + a few other things, but packaged up nicely and made easy to use.

[lofty latch]

looking at the data - it's interesting seeing that massive spike in demand for Satisfactory servers the day after they came out

[wet cedar]

I'm sure a lot of people were eagerly awaiting their arrival. Binary black friday, only no cellphone videos of fist fights in the department store entry way, and no angry comments about how the filmer should have held their phone landscape

[lofty latch]

I knew it was coming soon, I stayed up working for hours after it dropped xD

then had about 3-4 days of non-stop work after that keeping up with support

[solar remnant]

Even CreeperHost has Satisfactory as an option. :D

[wet cedar]

I'm thinking about setting up a PPA to make life easier for Debian/Ubuntu users. For the experience of it anyway. Because our hypervisors are Proxmox there is no escaping the deb family for me.

[solar remnant]

Is steamcmd not in Debian's normal repos?

At least on Gentoo, it's in the portage tree directly.

[wet cedar]

I mean packaging the server up completely

[solar remnant]

Aaah, fair enough.

[kindred sierra]

does exploring the world increase ram requirements on dedi?

[wet cedar]

The dedi for the most part seems to function just like the client, so it's mostly the size of your factory/savegame that increases RAM requirements

[wispy arch]

any idea why i get "Could not bind to port '15777'. Server cannot continue initialization" when starting the server? is it a port forwarding issue? it worked not more than an hour ago and i'm pretty sure i didn't change anything that could cause this

[vocal jungle]

is the server stoped correcly

[steel osprey]

A PPA for Satisfactory?

[steel osprey]

Port Allready in use

[wispy arch]

oh yeah i know why thanks

[wet cedar]

A PPA for the satisfactory game server, yes.

[vocal jungle]

make sure there is not a version already run or a process on the port

[steel osprey]

No need for it ;) with steamcmd its easy. and with Docker too. so No need for a PPA, which installs steam

[vocal jungle]

are you linux or windows

[proper elbow]

Confirmed, taking your dedicated save into singleplayer, and fixing your train settings in there and loading back into server fixes the trains issue. Unfortunately you may have to do that for every change until they come with patch

[kindred sierra]

whats wrong with trains

[vocal jungle]

in linux you can run netstat -nlp|grep 15777

[solar remnant]

So what's currently broken with trains?

[proper elbow]

Trains weren't loading/unloading resources from stations

[kindred sierra]

trains work for us , but start was very poor and didnt config right

but idk how they managed to get them to work right, idk what was teh issue

[dusk flicker]

your mileage may vary

[proper elbow]

Here's my thread from earlier

[dusk flicker]

its a hit or miss subject, some people have issues, others dont

[hard trout]

I fixed my trains not loading by flipping the side of the cargo loading, super inconvenient but it worked

[wet cedar]

Maybe easy for you, and for me, but for quite a few others not so much. Experience is relative.

[timid shard]

i get nat detection failed whenever i try running the dedicated

[lost plover]

I think that is normal I have the same issue but my server works just fine

[timid shard]

i dont know what to do after installing the dedicated server application

[steel osprey]

a PPA does nothing Else as Install it Manual or by Docker. and when U dont know how this works, sry for that now, Rent a Server. then a own Managed Server is nothing for u

[lost plover]

Try to connect to it

[vocal jungle]

connect from in game

[timid shard]

connect to what

[lost plover]

The server from in game

[timid shard]

what server tho as im not buying a server

[lofty locust]

Your ip

[timid shard]

ok

[wet cedar]

Server it this case means "the machine running the game server"

[lost plover]

Your hosting a server on your pc to to connect to it, the IP should be localhost or 127.0.0.1

[wet cedar]

Or rather "game service"

Servers run services.

[calm saffron]

When you say "Installed", did you literally just install it off steam, or have you configured the dedicated server, started it, and now want to connect to your dedicated server with your client?

[timid shard]

i installed it from steam

[wet cedar]

If you were hosting the service on another computer in your house you would be connected to an IP similar to 192.168.1.115

Since this is the same machine, start your game client and try to connect to 127.0.0.1 in the "Manage Server" dialogue off the main menu @timid shard

[fluid turret]

can also just do localhost more human friendly

[steel osprey]

Coffeestain should remove localhost Servers without real IP. too many people try to Run a Server insteed using Multiplayer and dont know what they do. sry Just my 2 Cents.

[wet cedar]

No, no they shouldn't. Hosting on a LAN is a perfectly acceptable use cage.

[rose valley]

But the game runs so much better when it's just a client to a server. So much better that I think running a localhost server is a great use case.

[wet cedar]

That's actually how Don't Stave by Klei is engineered, isn't it?

[fluid turret]

I have 4 people in my house who play satisfactory and dedi is 5x better than P2P since I have a capable machine.

[steel osprey]

If you have the RAM for 2 running SF instances :) a Server alone Take 5 Till 8gb :)

[wet cedar]

I can think of quite a few games that use that architecture actually.

[fluid turret]

So?

[vocal jungle]

wouldnt be the first game to run the game in a localhost client/server combo

[fluid turret]

and its not 2, its 1 and a half

[timid shard]

will ther server close once i turn my pc off tho

[fluid turret]

clients connecting to Dedi use half the ram as P2P

[fluid turret]

yes

[timid shard]

ah ok so my friend can only play when my pc is on

[fluid turret]

just dont turn it off

[steel osprey]

Like in Multiplayer

[vocal jungle]

yes inless its on a seperate host/computer that stays on the game will stop if your computer is powered down

[steel osprey]

But such questions are the Intension to remove localhost dedis :)

[lofty latch]

sup

[timid shard]

idk what localhost is

[wet cedar]

Yeah, I would expect quite a bit of natural deduplication, because there is a lot the client no longer has to take care of.

[lofty latch]

localhost means "this pc"

it's literally the "local host"

[vocal jungle]

its the loopback address for the local machine you are on

[wet cedar]

Think of localhost as the "no u" uno card

[fluid turret]

"Its not you its me"

[vocal jungle]

knock knock.. whos there ... me .. me who .. 27.0.0.1 ... classic

[lofty latch]

I'd tell you a UDP joke but you might not get it.

[vocal jungle]

There's no place like 127.0.0.1

[fluid turret]

the joke is about not receiving packets(The joke)?

[lofty latch]

Who's there?
Knock Knock
A UDP packet who?
A UDP packet.
A UDP packet cannot be guaranteed to arrive when you expect it to or in any given order.

[calm saffron]

Yep

[fluid turret]

well I guessed it lol

[ashen pecan]

if it isn't udp, it's dns. every. darn. time.

[vocal jungle]

UDP where the last peice of data you need shows up before you needed it

[calm saffron]

UDP invented time travel!

[lofty latch]

I'd like to tell you a TCP joke.
Okay, you may tell me a TCP joke.
The joke will require 1 packet.
Okay, I know it will take 1 packet.
Here comes the joke.
I am ready for the joke.
TCP is a stateful protocol, it has a lot of overhead but is highly reliable.
I have received the joke.
I have finished sending you a TCP joke.
I understand you have finished.
Goodbye.
Goodbye.

[vocal jungle]

udp is the internets way of giving computers puzzles to do in there down time

[fluid turret]

thats not a joke, that is an re-enactment

[timid shard]

when my friend trys to join my server when he clicks confirm nothing happens, no eroor message either?

[lofty latch]

UDP is like shouting your message into a megaphone and hoping that the person you're trying to talk to is in earshot.

[vocal jungle]

A UDP packet walks into a bar.

A UDP packet walks into a bar.

A UDP packet walks into a bar.

[calm saffron]

You're probably going to need to look into port forwarding. If those words don't mean anything to you, you have a long road ahead of you. Starting here would be advised: https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Port_forwarding_.26_firewall

[vocal jungle]

Because of COVID19... I will be converting all TCP applications to UDP to avoid handshakes.

[drifting wraith]

I didn't get it /s

[lofty latch]

I'm wearing an IP address mask of 255.255.255.254 - no packets can get in except my own

[vocal jungle]

Three UDP packets walk into a bar ... The first says "I'll have a beer" ... The third says "I'll have a whisky" ... The second says "I'll have wine" ..
The barman asks what they want to drink

[ashen pecan]

Also a super good resource once you go down the rabbit hole is portforward.com - it has most routers on there I believe

[vocal jungle]

in all fareness a real udt joke would arrive like this "a it. the then to mine tell but joke protocol, friend me me get I using warned UDP might of offered not A"

[vocal jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G1ueMDgwxw&ab_channel=PowerCertAnimatedVideos is also a good watch

most of the videos from PowerCertAnimatedVideos are good for new people getting in to servers and stuff

[lime fractal]

is any one else having issues with smart splitters?

[woven prism]

I'd tell you my own udp joke, but I'm not sure you'd get it.

[calm saffron]

Might be worth making a post with a bunch of these "Networking 101" resources and pinning it, since this channel is getting a pretty wide range of experience levels - some with absolutely no understanding of computers beyond "steam makes games to BRR", up to "been doing Unix admin since before you were born!".

[steel osprey]

what for issues? i use 50 on my Test Dedi and have Not any Problems

[vocal jungle]

true

[lime fractal]

they keep "Clogging UP"

i have to constantly replace belts

[hollow dove]

What's the autosave interval on the server and how do i change it?

[lofty latch]

How do you get to the home directory?

Just pulled this out my cupboard xD

[ashen pecan]

Lmao. I think maybe we should take the chip-posting to the #off-topic-general room

[brittle arch]

I might be wrong but the server saves on disconnect

[ashen pecan]

I just unlocked the in my gameplay last night - will have to test it. I have noticed that the regular splitters seem to clog too, but for me it's just cosmetic

[ashen pecan]

That's right, it does. I think it autosaves? Definitely haven't been paying attention to that

[calm saffron]

Dedicated servers auto-save as often as stand-alone clients, AFAIK. And, interestingly, I didn't notice any stop-the-world issues when it did, but maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention?

[ashen pecan]

Same, it seems smoother

[dusk flicker]

will still depend on world size

[calm saffron]

They felt a bit wonky at first. Are you using all the output ports on them? If not, maybe set the ones you're not using to "None" and see if that helps?

[dusk flicker]

i believe by default dedi servers autosave every 5 mins

or when a player disconnects iirc

[clever anvil]

Both of those are correct. I haven't looked into whether or not the 5 minute period is adjustable; theoretically it is but it isn't exposed as a simple option anywhere.

[bronze apex]

I use localhost so I should write in the router IP to join? IPv4?

[foggy agate]

what?

[lime fractal]

just one

[ashen pecan]

If you're running it local on the same machine, should just be localhost and then the port. If it's on another machine in your LAN, then it's that machine's IP and port

[lime fractal]

per side

ijust changed it to "none" ill see if that makes a difference

[timid slate]

Anyone else having the problem that pipeline segment updates take a long time on a server?

Been looking at my coal plant for 5 minutes now, and only 4 out of 16 coal plants have turned on. And it's not because a lack of headlift

[steel osprey]

restart Server. Looks Like to less RAM. you need 5 Till 8 GB. i had Sam issues with to less ram

[timid slate]

Not sure how much RAM I have. It's a G-Portal server. Current mem in use is 5709 MB

[long sable]

I tried adjusting it in my Engine.ini, but it didn't seem to change the frequency.

[steel osprey]

8 mean they have 8 gb but shared

[timid slate]

Well, nothing changed...

[long sable]

The second option did seem to be working though, as I now have autosaves from 0-11.

[tame solar]

😮 do you think this would work for the base game too?

[leaden aspen]

where can i find the session save files?

[long sable]

Probably, I think the config option works for either.

[long sable]

Windows:
%LOCALAPPDATA%\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames
Linux:
~/.config/Epic/FactoryGame/Saved/SaveGames

[valid geyser]

Do the devs have the ability to restart the servers remotely?

[dusk flicker]

I wouldn't be running a server inside my own network if anyone bar me could access it that way 😐 so no

[timid slate]

Coiuld I be running into a bug with the pipe floor connectors?

Do they cause bad segement updates?

[fickle zinc]

I would definitely not want this.

[valid geyser]

I just connected to my server and got a message that the server will restart in 2 minutes. No one has an admin account there except me.

[fickle zinc]

I've never seen that

[calm saffron]

Hosting provider scheduling a restart?

[valid geyser]

nope my root server

[calm saffron]

Hum. Odd!

[tame solar]

@valid geyser sessions forcefully restart every 24 hrs (at least they do in the base game)

[valid geyser]

ah ok

[fickle zinc]

interesting

good to know

[austere yoke]

When logging into the server, I enter the server name in the name field, but the game crashes

help pls

[clever anvil]

Interesting! I didn't know sessions restart. Haven't noticed that on our server, but we also restart it quite often because of all the bugs with conveyer belts disappearing. I'm mixed on pushing restarts - it's a nice way to push an update, because steamcmd is awful to machine parse to check if there's an update.

That being said, I understand steam doesn't exactly push content out uniformly across their CDN, so there may not be a set point in time to apply an update across team pipe.

[rose valley]

It does not restart the server, only the game session. It's to prevent time drift. Time is a float in UE4 and that has limited precision.

[fickle zinc]

thanks for the clearification Bogdan

[rose valley]

In other words, it saves the game and loads it back up.

[clever anvil]

:shocked-pikachu-face:

Honestly surprised I didn't know that, I did a little bit of playing learning UE4 a few years ago. Didn't do anything that needed anything better than tick resolution though.

[reef lily]

so iv been fiddling around and i got dedicated servers to work and learned a lot about port forwarding on the way. now my question is specifically about satisfactory ded.servers. if i have the server set up but i want to relinquish control of the server to my friend(uncaring of save data) how would i do that?

[prime gorge]

Every 5 minutes over three autosave states

[lofty latch]

@reef lily you'd give them the admin password

[full kraken]

has dissapearing entities been fixed yet?

[reef lily]

ooooh i thought that was the password to access the server. thought since i created it i alone had control and everyont else had to use that password to get in

[full kraken]

theres 2 password fields in server manager

client and admin

client is for players joining

admin is, well, admin

for managing the server

[reef lily]

i see now. i need to pay better attention

[devout dune]

henlo

[reef lily]

thank you!!

[devout dune]

is this a common error?

what did I fail to do?

[full kraken]

symlink steamclient.so

i think its in the docs, no?

at the bottom

[devout dune]

yeah exact, thanks

gonna try it out

sdk64 does not exist in .steam
...???

the whole folder is missing

[full kraken]

did you put the right home dir

[devout dune]

when is that folder created?

[full kraken]

/home/your_user/

replace your_user

[devout dune]

yes in fact it should find it by default

like

without symlinking

/home/steam/.steam/sdk64/steamclient.so

[full kraken]

how did u install it

[devout dune]

this is the right path

sudo apt install steamcmd

[full kraken]

might be inside a steamcmd folder

[clever anvil]

steamclient.so doesn't ship with that. You can find it delivered with Satisfactory, I think in the root of the install dir. You also have to create the directory sdk64 - e a mkdir sdk64

[devout dune]

bizarre that this file should be in private user folder (.steam) but its inside the satisfactory server

[devout dune]

exactly

[clever anvil]

I also found the game seems to work fine without it

🤷‍♂️

[clever anvil]

I am not a steam nor UE4 developer so YMMV

[devout dune]

YMMV?

your mileage may vary

got it

[clever anvil]

Your Mileage May Vary

[devout dune]

bizarre

[feral night]

Do you have any suggestions what i can do if i have some ghost vehicles? When you get kicked from the server while in a vehicle, you cant enter it again.. Inventory also gone 😦

[mental gate]

@devout dune i had issues with the steamclient.so file myself even tried putting it in the correct spots but the game still didnt find anything

i mean server is running and i can connect so its fine

[devout dune]

yeah looks like its becoming alive

slowly...

I actually was ingame for a moment

but it died instantly

guess server is not powerful enough, gonna have to buy some ram

[devout dune]

did you actually get ingame and play without fixing the steamclient.so file?

[devout dune]

can you play in it?

[clever anvil]

Yes, multiple epic games owners and at least one steam owner.

[devout dune]

ok, thanks

yeah looks like the ram is not enough

time to buy

[crude tapir]

I got some in my garage you can have

[devout dune]

lmao

OOF

[crude tapir]

Seriously. Just upgraded some in the main gaming rig, and then the RAM all trickled down through the streaming PC and then the crypto rigs. Now we got like 32 gig or corsair or so just sitting in a box out there in another crypto rig with no GPU(s) to mine

Yeah, you need more!

[clever anvil]

I just want to give a shout-out to Coffee Stain, especially whoever worked on dedicated servers. We’ve got about 7 people participating on a server. The game is buggy as hell, and we fucking love it.

[crude tapir]

Same

[clever anvil]

It’s like crack

[crude tapir]

We have 6 players, with 2 being "bought the game yesterday" new. Has been a blast so far.

[devout dune]

most definitely!

[devout dune]

thanks but don't worry

[hard dove]

hey so one of you wizards, this modem is wanting a public and private port, i feel like using 15000 as the public and private will cause issues

feel like that isnt right

[grand geode]

So I think we just killed our dedicated server save (well almost) we powered up a 216/min AI Limiter factory and stuff went downhill quickly after that 😦

[hard dove]

did u have monitoring on the server? what happened

[grand geode]

Just too much happening on server

Image for scale

[hard dove]

but cpu usage or just experamental things? run outta ram maybe

[grand geode]

more like network protocol like people can barely build belts or do anything

its a "big build" 82 hours 4-8 people (max 4 on server at a time). Tier 8. Lots of pure recipes and just simply too much for server to be able to deal with it

like our build pace has been "fast"

[rich void]

Think of the modem as a doorway. The internet side is public (or outside) and the inside network is private (or inside). You can easily translate a port from public, say 15000 to private 50000 if you wanted to. However, Satisfactory server doesn't support redirect yet, so don't do that. Private/Public being the same is ok here.

[grand geode]

savefile time is up around 8-9 seconds now.....

[hard dove]

awesome! glad to hear i managed something right

now lets hope my isp dont shut me down

haha

[grand geode]

It just seems to much for it....

[rich void]

i doubt it they will shut you down, the ports being used are not restricted or heavily monitored like SMTP or HTTP, etc. Unless they have strict data usage policy, you should fine.

[hard dove]

that what i was kinda thinking,

[blazing willow]

Can i play on the Server with mods?

[hard dove]

DONT THINK THERES MOD SUPPORT YET

whoops

[hard dove]

:Created socket for bind address: 0.0.0.0 on port 15000"this implying its open to all ips id assume?

[rich void]

Yes, it binds the port to all known IP address you have on the machine. So if you have multiple IP addresses, it'll listen on both address.

[hard dove]

awesome appreciate your knowledge

be best to designate one ip in that instance tho id assume?

-multihome and my local ip i believe

[rich void]

i haven't dig deep in the config file but usually using 0.0.0.0 is a way to bind to all active network interface on the machine and all IP address, such as IPv4 and IPv6.

[hard dove]

oh okay, im sure someone much smarter then me will have the answers here in the next months,

any way to check if the servers connectable by wan without a homie?

[rich void]

well, they are still developing and not all their documentation are out yet. Just enough to get us started

[hard dove]

exactly

[grand geode]

Sockets are generally open to all ip's anyway. But the program can see where its connecting from (tcp) or where the packet is from in(udp). A bind address of 0.0.0.0 means all interfaces

Except in ipv6 where :: is basically all interfaces

[pallid atlas]

Anyone else ecountering that trains are not working on dedicated servers?

[grand geode]

won't unload at platforms?

[pallid atlas]

Several problems includung (1) freight not filling up and having to rebuild, (2) train not being loaded and now (3) the train not finding it's way (unreachable stop) and misplaced icons on time table map

[grand geode]

yeah pull it into single player rebuild all freight platforms and put save back on dedicated server as work around

[pallid atlas]

Hmm sounds interesting, can you give me the paths for the savegame locations?

[grand geode]

they are just normal savegame locations

[mental gate]

yep, I play on Steam version too

[wispy arch]

when running FactoryServer.sh the server launches successfully but when doing it as a service it throws "LogGenericPlatformMisc: Error: SetEnvironmentVar not implemented for this platform: SteamAppId = 526870", why is that?

[mental gate]

yea that was an annoyance...

[wispy arch]

do you have this problem too?

[mental gate]

yep, server is playable tho

[wispy arch]

oh is it

[mental gate]

even have it set up as a service, and PC auto reboots at 6AM UTC even

i mean whole PC shutsdown and all...

[foggy agate]

you can ignore this.

[mental gate]

yea... normally when I see red text and the words "error" or "exception" i think "ahh crap..."

habit of mine from having to scour log files of friends of mine

[wispy arch]

yeah i mean there are errors too when running the script directly but the output is different so i was worried it wasn't working

[clever anvil]

Oh no, thats a hell of a work around 😦

[grand geode]

you build them all in the dedicated server. Then just replace them single player not that hard. Just get people to hold a list of what has been built

[valid geyser]

Yep just noticed the same problem too.

[deep forge]

There seem to be some invisible belts on my server now, can't see them or delete them, but they do transfer items 🙂

[dusty cloak]

How can I increase the player limit on a dedicated server?

[valid geyser]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Multiplayer#Sessions_with_more_than_4_players
on my linux the config is in ..../FactoryGame/Saved/Config/LinuxServer

[clever anvil]

You can restart the server, or leave the zone and come back. They might page back in.

It's a known bug

[raw swan]

Hey, i just set up an dedicated server on my laptop i did all port forwarding etc. but my friends cant join the server is shown as offline

[deep forge]

yeah, that was my idea aswell, server auto reboots every night, they haven't returned after 3 days 🙂

[clever anvil]

It seems more prevalent in really dense areas of factories.

[dusty cloak]

How can I load another map?

I made a new map and now I want to swap back to my other map

[deep forge]

in another area just deleting all the splitters did work, but here it would mean destroying half the factory 🙂

[pallid atlas]

Damn... Really annoying bug

[valid geyser]

found this in the log:
[2021.11.01-21.33.24:859][730]LogFactory: Warning: Put down failed because we where never equipped.
[2021.11.01-21.33.30:512][820]LogGame: Warning: BP_MaterialEffect_Dismantle_C_2147456217::SetMeshes, This cannot be called after PreStarted.
[2021.11.01-21.33.33:594][866]LogGame: Warning: BP_MaterialEffect_Dismantle_C_2147456199::SetMeshes, This cannot be called after PreStarted.
[2021.11.01-21.33.33:594][866]LogGame: Warning: BP_MaterialEffect_Dismantle_C_2147456200::SetMeshes, This cannot be called after PreStarted.
[2021.11.01-21.33.35:379][896]LogGame: Warning: BP_MaterialEffect_Dismantle_C_2147456175::SetMeshes, This cannot be called after PreStarted.
[2021.11.01-21.33.35:380][896]LogGame: Warning: BP_MaterialEffect_Dismantle_C_2147456176::SetMeshes, This cannot be called after PreStarted.
[2021.11.01-21.34.02:681][311]LogGame: Warning: BP_MaterialEffect_TrainTrack_C_2147455961::Initialize, No material set.

[rich void]

Hard to know for sure, but if you got port forwarding from the gateway to your laptop, make sure firewall on the laptop has those ports open for inbound connection as well.

[raw swan]

yes i did that already still marked as offline

[foggy agate]

do you use linux or windows?

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Loading_a_save_file

you wanna check here

[raw swan]

im using windows rn but i will try in with linux if i cant let in run

[brittle arch]

Tuff is your server up already?

[raw swan]

on my locallan yes but my friend cant join

appears to be offline is shown

[brittle arch]

is it saying its an incompatible version?

[raw swan]

nope both the same version (CL#170636)

[foggy agate]

now I closed the game bc I thought an Update is out 😄

[brittle arch]

sorry Red was just trying to give my 2 cents on tuff's issue

[foggy agate]

no need to be sorry, was done for today anyways, have to redesign my factory anyways 😄

never place the floor too low 😄

[raw swan]

😅

[foggy agate]

have you opened the ports on your router?

might wanna double check with a port scanner if it show you that the ports are open or filtered.

nmap is good for that.

you give it the ports and your external IP

[slim spoke]

make sure to scan udp ports

[foggy agate]

also if you wanna host locally, I would set up a dynamic dns service with a domain (there are many free options out there), so if the public IP changes you can use this instead to connect and don't have to hand out the ip 🙂

[raw swan]

yea router and laptop both open

[foggy agate]

also if your ISP uses DSLite / DualStack you can't host it locally due to a missing IPv4 Adress. You can check this if you get an external IPv4 Adress in your Router as the external interface.

[raw swan]

yea i set the ipv4 with all ports that are needed for satisfactory on my router for my laptop etc. i will check tomorrow if i can acces them via an port scanner

[reef lily]

why can i connect to the server but my friends cant?

says its offline for them but im running around playing just fine

[versed merlin]

ports forwarded?

[reef lily]

yeah

[foggy agate]

did you give them the external IP?

prob check the external IP with a port scanner

[reef lily]

no internal

[versed merlin]

ip.add.res.s:port

are they on the same internal network as you?

[foggy agate]

you need to hand them the external IP

[reef lily]

but i use the internal to connect myself?

[foggy agate]

yes

[versed merlin]

If they’re not on the same internal network as you, then the internal address won’t help them.

[reef lily]

aaaaaaaaah. makes sense now

[foggy agate]

internal IP = everything in your house (or flat)

external = everything from outside your house

[versed merlin]

they have to connector to your external address, then your router will forward that traffic to the internal address.

so long as you set up forwarding on your router

(and setting up forwarding on your router is beyond the scope of us here)

[slim spoke]

just google your router model and port forwarding

there is user manual and sites with easy step by step

[foggy agate]

he said he did that (if he knows what that means 😄 )

[versed merlin]

Next issue: Anyone know what I should edit in the engine.ini to increase the timeout limit for incoming connection attempts? can get clients connect to the dedicated server from external IPs (so port forwarding is working fine), but I need to give one of my kids on her older laptop a bit longer to load before the server closes the connection as a time-out.

[reef lily]

still cant seem to be able to get him to connect

yes my ports are forwarded

[foggy agate]

did you check with a port checker?

have you checked the firewall?

does your ISP uses DSLite or DualStack?

[versed merlin]

Hmmm seems that

[/Script/OnlineSubsystemUtils.IpNetDriver] ConnectionTimeout=xx.0 InitialConnectTimeout=xx.0

might work. gonna give it a try and will report back

[steady salmon]

Hey all, hoping someone can help me real quick.

I just started up a new Dedicated Server on Experimental.

[reef lily]

port checker says the ports closedc

[steady salmon]

I created a Session Name, and created a new world.

But I want to import a save with that same session name.

[foggy agate]

there you have the problem. 🙂

[foggy agate]

do that.

[slim spoke]

insetad of 7777 use 7777-7787

[full kraken]

is this on LAN? try using the local address, might load faster

[foggy agate]

just shut the server down, delete all save games that might have been created so that only the save in the folder you want to load and you should be good to go

[slim spoke]

just replace sav in server with what u want loaded

[steady salmon]

That's the weird part @foggy agate, in the FactoryGame/Saved/SaveGames directory there are no saves in there.

[full kraken]

check .config

[steady salmon]

I deleted all of the save files when logged into the game too.

[slim spoke]

u have to goto the server folder

[steady salmon]

And I placed the save I want in the server folder.

[brittle arch]

max just load the game you want while the server is running

[slim spoke]

not the games save folder

[foggy agate]

they are in /home/useryoucreated/.config/[and so on, use tab]

[foggy agate]

he can't if he used the same name 😄

[steady salmon]

AH

[versed merlin]

Yep, on a lan and it’s just a slower laptop, so it’s not loading all the assets fast enough, I suspect. 🙂

[steady salmon]

THAT'S IT

Lemme give that a go @foggy agate

[lime portal]

where i can find a list of all console commands?

[fluid turret]

list of all 2 commands

ok

[foggy agate]

in the folder should be a lot of .sav files, there you want to put the save file you want to load, then restart the server and everything should be good to go. 🙂

[fluid turret]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Dedicated_servers#Commands

[slim spoke]

exit and save

there ya go complete list

[lime portal]

and a server.savegame

[slim spoke]

thats save

[versed merlin]

server.savegame save_name_here
exit

[lime portal]

thanks for counting right

😄

[steady salmon]

Yup. I was in the wrong directory with the exact same structure. 🙃

[full kraken]

yeah idk why its in .config tbh

weird

[steady salmon]

Yeah, and the game.ini file is in the other directory. Super strange

[reef lily]

i cant figure out why my port is closed

[foggy agate]

thats how steamcmd is stucered, you could set another path if you want

[foggy agate]

you might want to contact your ISP then.

[steady salmon]

Then again, we're talking about a game whose root directory is called "FactoryGame" so really anything goes when it comes to directory structures.

[full kraken]

did you open TCP instead of UDP?

also, port checker might only check TCP, the game uses UDP

so theyd show as closed even if theyre open

[versed merlin]

possibly your ISP has it blocked off on your modem/router? may need to check with them.

be sure you opened UDP on the router

[full kraken]

when you try to connect it should say a port number somewhere in the error string

make sure its open

[foggy agate]

if you feel comfy with that, send me your external IP, I can check that on my end. 🙂

[full kraken]

like i set my server to 15200 and it needed like 15201 open which only showed in the error

[hybrid bane]

maybe this got covered but do you have a software firewall running on the host machine?

or if on centos/rhel, selinux could always be a culprit.

[burnt comet]

Anyone else see these weird shadows on some objects?

[slim spoke]

its upside down ... its a hangman setup

[burnt comet]

Found it where its happening on the Ultra shadow quality setting. It isn't happening on any other shadow setting unless its ultra

[slim spoke]

post on the bug site if u want and its not there

i just was having fun .. it does look like stairs upto a hanging thing

[burnt comet]

Ikr lmfao

I keep seeing it as a hacksaw lmao

[hardy crescent]

guys is there any basic guide to ubuntu port forwarding

i did an install with linux gsm

[grand geode]

you have ubuntu running your router?

[slim spoke]

u port forward on router or firewall

[hardy crescent]

i have an external linux server

[foggy agate]

with Ubuntu there is ufw in place

check with sudo ufw status

[grand geode]

so its doing nat for you? or its on another network?

[slim spoke]

u forward to the comp running ubuntu .. not the os

its a traffic cop between internet and server computer

[hardy crescent]

i already forwarded them in my server management panel

but i thought i have to do some iptables tomfoolery

[grand geode]

only if you have linux running as nat in front of your server

[hardy crescent]

also i heard that SDL warning can be ignored, i installed the libsdl2 32-bit package already

[foggy agate]

sudo apt install libsdl2-2.0-0:i386

this will fix it

[hardy crescent]

already did

still pops up

[foggy agate]

reboot the server

[hardy crescent]

already rebooted aswell ofc

[foggy agate]

prob won't recognize its installed

[hardy crescent]

plus forced an update to the linux gsm instance

didnt change a thing sadly

this seems kinda weird to me, is this normal?

[foggy agate]

yes

[hardy crescent]

and the steam failed to init warnings?

[foggy agate]

that mean the service binds to any interface on port 7777

[hardy crescent]

at the top

[foggy agate]

do you run it on your own hardware?

[hardy crescent]

no

[foggy agate]

in a datacenter?

[hardy crescent]

yep

[slim spoke]

its using all available internet adapters to monitor those ports on each

7777 should be a small range cause thats teh port the server increments if it fails to lock in the port

and u can You can already do that if you pass -multihome=<adapter ip>, then it will only bind to that address instead of 0.0.0.0. Some people on this channel have tried that so maybe search for multihome and see all the exchanges on the topic.

[foggy agate]

<@&387163995947270144> @dusty torrent is posting spam 🙂

[hardy crescent]

ban plox

[hollow dove]

Is it ok to just close the server console on windows or could something break when i do that?

[slim spoke]

u mean close the server window?

the cmd window is the server running

[hollow dove]

yes

[slim spoke]

close it if u want to stop the server

[hollow dove]

ok and btw is there a way to enter commans without the ingame console?

[slim spoke]

type into the server window

or use some console

[hollow dove]

i can't type in the server window...

or use some console
how?

[slim spoke]

figure out something and use it

there is tons of ways to connect to server

[hollow dove]

ok

[slim spoke]

start on the wiki page

look into the things on it

[hollow dove]

bruh

nevermind then

[tulip python]

So Im still trying to join @reef lily server and get a UNetConnection Network Error
any Ideas?

[slim spoke]

keep trying or reboot ur stuff maybe

[ionic grove]

Is anyone able to get trains to work on dedicated? Work fine in single player, but we can't get them to unload on our dedicated

[tulip python]

sadly didnt work. Server restarted, pc restartet and network restarted.... Checking my steam files now, but I dont think thats the issue

[fluid prawn]

Using Nitrado

[hushed lance]

has anyone had a problem with getting fluid into a train platform?

[hardy crescent]

i heard fluid trains are broken in general atm

[hushed lance]

anyone have a work around?

[hardy crescent]

yeah, coffee stain

lmao

= the next patch

[bold atlas]

hey dumb question, anything special i need to do transfer a save file to a dedicate server

[quick mist]

depends on what you need to work around

[slim spoke]

fluids into platform.. just above that post

[pure anvil]

Package it and transport it as a solid?

[slim spoke]

i would cuase u move more

but u should chat about game play in #satisfactory-experimental

[cinder wind]

Package the fluids and move it with freight cars

[gentle thorn]

Has anyone run into this error:

⚠️ Network Error
Invalid authentication token.
I don't see it when running the server from my local docker, but when connecting to my Azure container instance with the same image, I get the error after attempting to join the game after creating the session.

[alpine dawn]

Is there a good way to keep informed about new patches released for dedicated servers?

[versed merlin]

Yes! Adding this to the Engine.ini extended the connection timeout long enough for the older, slower laptop to finish loading the assets and joint the server. I’ll add this to the Wiki.

[alpine dawn]

Or is the restart the server and see if it's fixed method best?

😂

[versed merlin]

I’ve set up my dedicated server to restart every night, after I go to bed, and in the startup script, I have it set to check SteamCMD to update and validate, then to continue on to starting the actual server.

that way its a fire-and-forget kinda thing 😄

[quick mist]

I've taken a pass at a major re-ordering of the Wiki to put things in a sequence that makes more logical sense, and removed some duplication of redundant data.

[versed merlin]

@quick mist great idea, btw, about logically sequencing the wiki page. 👍

[quick mist]

thanks!

In the next day or two I may break out all the NSSM and SysstemD stuff to a separate Automation page

[versed merlin]

As I mentioned on the talk page, I think that’s a great idea

[alpine dawn]

Gotcha, yeah mine is setup somewhat like that, but I am anxiously waiting for the rebar gun bug to get fixed and was wondering if there is like a patch notes feed for the dedicated servers

[versed merlin]

We’ll likely also want to figure out just how far we want to go into what’s UnrealEngine stuff versus what’s Satisfactory-server-specific stuff (Unreal Engine subsystems like the IP network stuff, etc)

[versed merlin]

great question. I haven’t seen one yet

[quick mist]

It was really clever of whoever first added the Systemd data to use the PreExec directive to have steamcmd update the server any time it is (re)started. the only downside is that a restart takes a few second more than it otherwise would

[alpine dawn]

True

I like it

That's how I did mine

[versed merlin]

agreed. but, the benefits outweigh the possible slowdowns. At least in my opinion.

[alpine dawn]

I just don't have mine auto restart nightly

[quick mist]

oh for sure. that 'downside' isn't very far at all

[alpine dawn]

I actually turned off the pause factory when nobody is connected and let it run a few days and it was still working when I reconnected

[versed merlin]

had local and external clients connected successfully over the past 36 hours or so. only one random CTD on an external client (but I suspect it was user error, because nothing in the logs indicated server side issues).

[alpine dawn]

Of course at the time I was using biomass burners and they were all out of fuel

Well they ran out when I was disconnected

[quick mist]

so.. compost heaps

[teal osprey]

Is there some kind of bug with vehicles on dedi servers?

[slim spoke]

yes

[teal osprey]

what exactly happens?

[slim spoke]

depends what ur talking about

u just went is there bugs .. yes ... ok what happens

check the bug site also

[teal osprey]

I heard that using vehicles can delete a user from the server, or something to that effect.

[slim spoke]

not that simple

[quick mist]

if you disconnect from a server while driving a vehicle, the server can get confused when you respawn, rendering your previous character inert and making it difficult to "recapture" the zombie-occupied vehicle

[teal osprey]

Ah, gotcha.

But you're okay if you get out of the vehicle before logging out?

[quick mist]

yes.

there are a couple other problems like trucks not getting quite enough fuel for the loop or train stations needing power from multuple sources

[lyric dove]

are there any public satisfactory servers

[keen orchid]

not official.. but likely there are some around

[gentle thorn]

Well... took me way too long but I finally got my server running in Azure

[quick mist]

Running As a Service has now been broken out to its own Wiki page.

[tribal pumice]

Has anyone experienced some crashing with the rebar gun?

[slim spoke]

yes lots

best place to check is the site

[hushed gate]

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports at https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/ - <3 @slim spoke

Nov 2, 2021, 3:34 AM

[tribal pumice]

Got it, ty so much

[slim spoke]

incase there is a workaround and not everyone knows 🙂

[worldly iris]

Not sure if this is a dedi server issue, or a core game issue... so here goes.
Has anyone seen an issue with a train basically failing to stop as a station? It slows like its going to, but instead of loading I get a pop-up message "Improper Aim", and the train leaves
If I take the track away just after the station the train stops, but if I try to get in to drive myself is say I cant board a moving train

[slim spoke]

verify files and restart .. maybe redo train/station

[worldly iris]

Just did a restart with verify. Will report back

[woven pendant]

can anyone help me with this error message when trying to download dedicated servers through steam cmd?

[slim spoke]

not right

1. login anonymous 2.force_install_dir ~/SatisfactoryDedicatedServer 3. app_update 1690800 validate 4. quit

it wont update it only grabs whole package again

[woven pendant]

got the same error message when using yours as well

[slim spoke]

run install cmd

[woven pendant]

what does that mean?

[slim spoke]

steamcmd doesnt do updates

it wont patch cause it cant

[woven pendant]

so what should i be using then if not steamcmd

[slim spoke]

rerun install to make sure u have latest

cause it only gets whole package

i would back up configs though

[woven pendant]

so reinstall steamcmd?

[slender idol]

Steamcmd does do updates…

It’s the only way to get updates 😛

[slim spoke]

it doesnt patch the server .. it grabs 9gb of server everytime

[woven pendant]

yeah but I can't see server at all in tools

[slender idol]

0x202 is drive out of space or a permissions error

[slim spoke]

just rerun the install

it gets latest files and puts them in the server

thats how everyone updated when last patches came

[woven pendant]

rerun the install of what?

[slim spoke]

the great musical app that u came to ask about

[slender idol]

Considering that steamcmd is giving you error 0x202, which is an error related to either file/folder permissions and/or lack of space to install, I’d suggest checking you have adequate space for the install, and also checking you’re running as admin just in case.

[woven pendant]

okay thank you

[slender idol]

And considering you haven’t run +force_install_dir it will be trying to download to the folder steamcmd is in.

[woven pendant]

and where should i be force installing it to?

[slim spoke]

where you want the server installed

[slender idol]

Wherever you want it really

[slim spoke]

or where your server is installed

[woven pendant]

okay so it doesnt have to go in with the satisfactory game files or anything

[slim spoke]

no

[slender idol]

Nah

[slim spoke]

have you seen the wiki page for dedicated servers?

[woven pendant]

a few days ago yeah

kept getting the 0x202 error though so gave it a break till I could ask for help here

[slim spoke]

just wondered if u seen the page

karakken u have a server already or starting new

[quick mist]

From SteamCMD, error 0x202 means out of disk space or could not write to disk

[woven pendant]

starting new

do not have server yet

[slim spoke]

ok just lets everyone know where ur at to help

[woven pendant]

reinstalling steam cmd to a disk with more space and running as administrator seems to be working better, its updating state downloading

[quick mist]

rad

also, you said you looked at the wiki page 'a few days ago'.. some of us have spent the past few days fleshing it out so you might want to give it another once-over

[slim spoke]

nice .. and sorry i did get confused b4 and was little short with ya

mark that down ur the 1st and last who will ever hear that

[quick mist]

:snrk:

[slim spoke]

normally i dont care but i can admit my wrongs

[quick mist]

that's a good trait.

[woven pendant]

thanks everyone for your help ill check back in if I hit another speed bump

[quick mist]

good luck!

[woven pendant]

everything is working!! thanks everyone!

[slim spoke]

congrats enjoy

[worldly iris]

It appears that it was my empty platforms with catwalks. Rebuilt it 5 times in different places, all failed. Redid all 5 locations with the non-catwalk style and all 5 work perfectly

[slim spoke]

ok lol no idea .. i have 0 memory

[hard dove]

Sooooooooo, finally back to check on the ole server and I’m having troubles , my isp apperantly blocks all incoming traffic but my server log says it’s listening on all the ports

[slim spoke]

did u forward the ports to the ip for the server computer

[sharp geode]

Hey all, does anyone know if there any tweaks that should be made to the .ini files on the dedicated server for performance? I'm looking to fix network lag and invisible items etc.

[slim spoke]

u can google unreal engine ini tweaks for networking and try them by making game.ini or whatever in the server if its not there

but probably is tons of reddit/twitters on how to do it also

[hard dove]

Yes i think atleast, let me finish my smoke and I double check everything

[molten leaf]

is there a fix or workaround for the signs resetting themselves to default text?

[worldly iris]

change the name twice

[molten leaf]

Thanks!

[lime elm]

Hey guys, Got an odd issue I cant seem to fix. I was hosting 2 servers on my own PC using AMP. I now have a VPS to host the servers so I have installed AMP and transferred the saves over but..... one server loads its save fine and works. But the other just wont load it, instead it makes a new save every time and just wont load the save i already have. I am typing the session id in correct but it just makes a new save with the same name. Any ideas??

I tried overwriting the new save with my old one using the same file name as the new save and the server just makes a new save. Ive no clue whats going on

[slim spoke]

should check the server output and logs

[lime elm]

wall of txt does not seem to indicate an issue

[proper wedge]

Cant seem to find the existing save on the dedicated.

[lime elm]

what os?

[proper wedge]

but when i tell it to save, it shows up

Linux

[lime elm]

using amp?

[proper wedge]

No

[lime elm]

then not sure where is is, look for something like this, /home/Epic/FactoryGame/Saved/SaveGames/server

but I am not sure what dir to start looking in on linus

linux*+

[proper wedge]

Thats the issue, there is no SaveGames dir

only config and Logs

[lime elm]

have you made a game and connected to it in game?

[proper wedge]

Yeah, we are on the last tier

[lime elm]

can you search for the session id?

thats how I found it in windows

[proper wedge]

I named the save i took, CurrentSave. then did a search and found nothing

i took a back up of the server and pulled it over to my windows machine to dig thru it

give me a few

[fluid turret]

@lime elm I highly suggest going to the discord for that program as it is a paid service its nearly impossible for us to help you, very few of us who can help will pay for that program when there is free alternatives.

[proper wedge]

Found the saves, it was in a hidden folder

/.config/Epic/FactoryGame/Saved/SaveGames/server

[lime elm]

:p

glad you found it

[fluid turret]

That folder path is included in the wiki, fyi

[proper wedge]

i over looked the .

silly me

On top of WinSCP not showing hidden folders because i forgot to turn it on

[lime elm]

well, how do i know its an AMP issue and not a server issue?

Answer.. I dont

[fluid turret]

Nearly everything is managed by that program so the assumption is its a problem with that, no matter the case for us to help troubleshoot we would have to recreate or have experience with a similar setup.

[warped valve]

Goodmorning, i switched from a linux server to windows.. now i can't find the settings files.. FactoryGame\Saved\Config\WindowsServer\ isnt there.. (Also not in %LOCALAPPDATA%\FactoryGame) anybody an idea?

[warm swallow]

I tried wiping all the files from dedicated server to force it to populate the files but can't find any either. Maybe it's not been added yet. All I can find is the ServerSettings.15777 in Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SavedGames

[slim spoke]

find the folder u installed the server to

or maybe the dir on the wiki page

[warped valve]

FactoryGame\Saved\Config\WindowsServer\ == from the wiki.. (also used windows search allready can't find the file at all..)

[warm swallow]

Thank you! Found them 🙂

[slim spoke]

yw

[warped valve]

m2: (connecting to the server and changing the settings in game (pauze game on no players), created the files...)

[rough turret]

Other suggestion would be is to make a save with a funny name and search the PC for that name 😂

[unique bay]

could it be that item floor holes are bugged on dedicated servers? I can place on lift but not the other one

[slim spoke]

they are just a massive pain but they work

[unique bay]

but how? if i try to place the other one it says: identical building allready there

[slim spoke]

some said u have to do in order.. hole - output - input - conveyor

might be output u ahve to go 1 direction or other i dont know

[unique bay]

i can't get it to work.

but why is this now possible and its not soft clearance? 😄 😄 😄

[slim spoke]

try exp room there is another person inthere asking

[sage kestrel]

anyone else having their server dying cuz of the Rubbergun?

[unique bay]

that logic 😄

[rough turret]

Your concrete is still wet

[warm swallow]

Save names so far Trolldeig (playdough or troll dough) and Geitost (goat cheese). Does that qualify? Kinda knew the paths but had same problem as willumpy, checked the locations before the first connection was made

[slim spoke]

badkenny ya the one gun has bug

[sage kestrel]

k ty

[unique bay]

flying wet concrete. who doesn't know it? 😄

so its a known bug?

[lofty latch]

The wiki page continues to get messier and messier with the content in no logical order whatsoever...

[slim spoke]

that narrow it down thanx

[lofty latch]

The grammar and quality of writing is also deteriorating...

[rough turret]

No clue. I'm not playing enough to say so.

[slim spoke]

so when you are going to help rewrite stuff?

they are always open to help

[unique bay]

i found a q&a ticket 🙂

[slim spoke]

wiki is community driven and cared for .. so ur just insulting people for helping others

[quick mist]

I just re-ordered the Wiki into a more sensible sequence a few hours ago.

[slim spoke]

its come a long way since they started it

[grand geode]

I think part of the problem with a dedicated server wiki page is there is a cut off point where it stops being satisfactory and general system admin / network config related and you can't teach that stuff in 5 minutes and it also becomes bespoke very very quickly to the end users environment / requirements.

[quick mist]

admittedly I'm not on much sleep so I'll give the grammar another pass when I've had more

[slim spoke]

also they arent tryin to start linking everyones projects

[quick mist]

(case in point: I see this conversation because I got paged for work again)

[slim spoke]

cause then if something happens it blows back

and devs said they will do docker or whatever they do

so official things are to come still

[quick mist]

once the official Docker build is made known those will go onto the Wiki

[slim spoke]

yup

[quick mist]

(and the bespoke one that's there now removed)

[grand geode]

I don't even think docker would be required the steam setup was really simple....

[quick mist]

Personally, I agree, but people seem to love Docker, so here we are.

[slim spoke]

ya mistralol i think thats why noone just did it up from devs

[raw swan]

@foggy agate @rich void @brittle arch i got it working now thanks for the help !

[grand geode]

I actually hate docker. It typically is like approaching the linux environment problem by taking the environment out of the environment and putting it in another environment lol

[slim spoke]

wait and do package once things are working right like tools

[grand geode]

If you have ever heard the joke. It works on my machine... "We are not shipping your machine". Docker -> yup now you shipping your machine

[slim spoke]

might be no reason for windows version and they do linux docker or whatever

lol mist

i know nothing about docker and those things everyone used lol

i figure once the servers are more fleshed out there will be some nice cmd centers for them

[lofty latch]

@quick mist I'm gonna reformat the requirements into an actual table

[grand geode]

Linux just has always had ABI problems with shared libs across all distro's So its damm hard to ship software for multiple distro's in a single binary. So.... docker simple remove the environment problem by creating another broken environment of the same thing because the original problem is "too big to solve"

[quick mist]

admittedly Docker running a small Windows env is how I was able to get Space Engeers hosted on Linux, but ewwwww

Please do, Mike.

[lofty latch]

People have been putting new sections in completely random places that make little sense.

[quick mist]

yeah, that's why I re-ordered things yesterday

[keen orchid]

im running mine on an unraid docker.. .was super easy.. and works well

[lofty latch]

@quick mist ill ping you when I make some big edits later today see what people think.

[quick mist]

cool beans.

also the Talk page is a good place to throw ideas, I've found (:

[lofty latch]

I should probably make a habit of pinging someone when I do so I'm not accused of bending the wiki for my own purposes too much too xD

[quick mist]

Some things if they get too big, like with Automation, might need to spin out to their own pages

[lofty latch]

Automation already did

But I think the system services might also need breaking out.

[quick mist]

I know, I did that too

[lofty latch]

Lol

[grand geode]

Same thing ironically which is why we have like 5?+ packagers for commercial stuff like snap, docker, flatpak, snappy etc.. etc.. in the aid to solve the environment problem so people could actually ship software for linux they created like 5+ more environments lol

[slim spoke]

there is a chat for people who work on wiki so u can discuss things

if u see ondar ask him about

[quick mist]

if only there were some sort of standard foundation, or base, that the Linux distributors could leverage...

[slim spoke]

or could leave a dm for him

[grand geode]

Which would be debian right?

[quick mist]

I was obliquely referring to the Linux Standard Base (:

(and to an extent POSIX itself)

[grand geode]

Yeah which is actually why the problem exists in the first place. Cause libc etc.. the guys there break "bugs / features" in the past making it break other applications and also making it ABI incompatible by trying to make it comply to the standard.

[lofty latch]

The Linux apps I ship have massive 70MB binaries because they include almost everything. You could almost run them on a bare kernel.

But they run on any distro

[grand geode]

Yup this is because every shared lib (ddl) needs included because you cannot run with the ones on the destination OS

[quick mist]

at scale, disk space is essentially free which is why so often the answer is to just build with static libraries and not rely on dynamic ones

[grand geode]

Actually glibc even with a static build is required to load dynamic libs for various things depending on configuration which also is ABI incompatible lol

[quick mist]

not necessarily, but let's not get too far into the weeds on that here (:

[lofty latch]

Only thing I load dynamically is glibc

[grand geode]

oh of course. Just saying it happens..... people (like me) have been on the receiving end of it for 20+ years.

[quick mist]

yep yep, and then we get into fun stuff like libcompat and friends for 32-bit bins on amd64 systems, and all other kinds of frivolity.

[grand geode]

Things like docker are overrated.... like the moment your application needs a GPU or something inside docker is the same moment you need the right DPU drivers and userspace libs outside the docker environment as well. So the abstraction of docker just leaks / break when doing complex things.

Last 2 companies i worked in the simple solution was to re-roll the entire distro and ship it as a new distro because of issues like that

in other news somebody suggested this would change a dedicated server save game time
Edit
GameUserSettings.ini
mFloatValues=(("FG.AutosaveInterval", 1200.000000))

So thats probably something for the wiki?

[quick mist]

once confirmed, yes, though it might be good to nip this in the bud and start a Dedicated Server ini File Tweaks page.

because I can see that getting really big really fast

[grand geode]

oh we killed our server last night with it. Save game time now up around 10-11 seconds

4-8 players building for a week can be something like 2-3 months equivalent single player playtime cause suddenly there is a 24/7 presence.

So when somebody plugged into the super pure caterium, pure copper, steam sheets, fused quickwire, 300/min AI limiter factory..... things didn't go so well after that

[unique bay]

so finally the autosave process should be rewritten?

[grand geode]

yeah in this case what would happen is like 10+ seconds of lag resulted in strange teleportation and creating interesting ways for people to die in game as well as getting randomly disconnected ever 5 mins.

I must say the server generally worked really well in the early / mid game until things really scaled up later on

[unique bay]

I think the devs will love this ticket 😂

[grand geode]

oh i know exactly how much of a problem it is for them to resolve that 😉

I suspect it probably won't be resolved any time soon

[unique bay]

thats said. could not be a better solution todo a shadow copy and save that. Like some backup software do it?

[grand geode]

yeah how do you do that? very very hard to make it atomic.

[unique bay]

thats true :/

[quick mist]

easy, implement btrfs as part of the game engine, or require an Oracle backend which can quiesce the database while saving..

[grand geode]

though i did notice based on their log message it does 1. Serialization2. Compression of data 3. Write to disk (tiny 0.002 seconds on the server). They certinally don't need the lock held after the serilization stage... so they might get a 20-30% gain out of that

[lofty latch]

@fluid turret what was the justification for reordering the automated solutions page? It looks like you're trying to favour one option over another for no real justification.

If they're not going to be in some logical order (alphabetical, by platform, by type) then I don't see the reason.

[quick mist]

Not for nothing, but I'm happy to see the non-free solution get last billing :p

[pine tendon]

is there a feed for Dedicated Server updates?

[quick mist]

#patch-notes and #announcements

[grand geode]

@glacial patio #patch-notes #announcements

[lofty latch]

Oh heaven forbid people make money for their effort 🙄

[pine tendon]

like, where can i see whether there has been an update without trying to update every time

[quick mist]

There is a site that tracks the Steam API to see version number increments, but I don't know the site's address off the top of my head.

[pine tendon]

i see, that wont be helpful

nevermind. steamcmd has an auto updater tool

[quick mist]

yes, but that "tries to update every time" (:

[lofty latch]

Wait, did I get blocked from wikia? 🤔

[quick mist]

o.O

[unique bay]

20% from 11sec is not good. 😅 it is still time in seconds 😂

[quick mist]

If the save process takes several seconds to save but does not impact game performance while doing so, that's fine

in fact that's better than a 250ms freeze to save

[grand geode]

in this case you would see odd things like a train going past you 6 times and stuff just before you teleport off a waterfall and into the void

[lofty latch]

Hmm, nope I could still edit the talk page.

[slim spoke]

think they finish it before returning to simulating and such that might error cause of a pause

[quick mist]

that would be "Impact to the game", @grand geode

[slim spoke]

then they have to deal with that so might as well wait

[grand geode]

quite funny actually to see the freight cars going past before the engine pulling them as well lol

[quick mist]

"Wait for meeeeee"

[unique bay]

I hope a new autosave feature will come before 1.0 😂

[quick mist]

lots of nips and tucks will come before 1.0

they have to finish building the thing in order to know where and how to optimize the thing they're building

[slim spoke]

might not have even been him he isnt the only person

[lofty latch]

It says who it was by - looks like it's only temporary

[slim spoke]

oh ok

[lofty latch]

but it's a very vague description and still annoying that he couldn't mention it first, now I can't tidy things up 😂

[slim spoke]

i was trying to get u guys to go work with the wiki crew

[lofty latch]

someone is trying very hard to bury all the automated solutions though - methinks some gatekeeping is at play

[slim spoke]

probably get further working with the community then making it urs

[lofty latch]

incl LinuxGSM etc

[quick mist]

Some of the prose in the AMP section a few days ago was very salespitchy, but I didn't see anything too disparaging when I read the other automation option sections. I almost changed the Pterodactyl description as it was striking me the same way, when I broke it out to its own page, but settled for just the move for the time being.

[lofty latch]

that's fair enough - but the line between "accurate description" and "salespitchy" is kinda fine

[quick mist]

sanctum, we, as the people editing the Wiki, by definition are the 'Wiki crew'

[lofty latch]

but since I haven't touched the main page in days it seems weird to do anything now 🤔

[slim spoke]

then go get ur tag and join their chat room

work with them

not sling crap here

[quick mist]

I'm not slinging anything.