dedicated-servers

[placid grail]

I also have a question: is it possible to begin at tier 0 in a freshly made dedicated server?

[charred hound]

yes

[placid grail]

hooooowww

when I create a new game on the dedicated server it just spawns me in with tier 1

@charred hound

[charred hound]

yes

[placid grail]

I am confusion

[hidden rock]

there is a setting in the bottom right when creating a save

you have to do the tutorial

else no tier 0

[meager phoenix]

is this a dedicated server issue ? or a known bug?

[fallen crane]

Hi, is it normal when dedicated experimental server lags so much when starting both the server and the game from Epic Launcher? It lags especially when approaching rear of the vehicle. Thank you

[placid grail]

this is only in solo, on the create game page of the dedicated server there are no setting to skip tier 0 and begin in tier 1. It just does it.

[blazing halo]

Where's the problem?

[blazing halo]

Can you tell us a bit more about your hardware configuration?

[blazing halo]

No.

Fun fact: every player gets HUB parts. ;]

Yes, even if the HUB has already been built.

[meager phoenix]

when i put conveyor lifts trough the conveyor floor hole it looks ok, and suddenly this happens from the other side of where i put the lift

[fallen crane]

@blazing halo
Processor AMD FX(tm)-8320 Eight-Core Processor
Video Card Radeon RX 580 Series
Operating System Windows 10
RAM 16 GB

[blazing halo]

Suddenly?

[blazing halo]

Dude, that sounds like a recipe for disaster. :D That CPU is ancient. 16 GB of RAM seems a bit low - especially for Experimental.

[meager phoenix]

i can come back and suddenly everything looks like that, and this

[fallen crane]

Yeah the CPU is running her last. But it doesnt seem to be a CPU issue. It acts like jumping up and down her approaching the vehicle from back

[blazing halo]

Then it looks like a bug. It only affects lifts that aren't attached anywhere?

[fallen crane]

I dont have lifts yet 😄

[blazing halo]

It acts like jumping up and down her approaching the vehicle from back
Sorry, I didn't understand that bit.

[meager phoenix]

the last picture i sent it is functional but looking like that im just wondering if it's a dedicated issue

[blazing halo]

I haven't had such issues, but... I honestly don't know.

[blazing halo]

In any case, my PC, running Windows 10, uses anywhere between 3 and 5 GB of RAM at idle. Out of 16 GB, that would leave you with about 13 GB (on average) of usable memory. Satisfactory server (u5) uses 7.5 GB of RAM, leaving 5.5 GB of free memory. The game client uses about 5 GB. On a good day, that leaves 500 MB of memory as a "buffer". On a bad day, you're out of memory and need to swap to/from disk, which is very costly in terms of performance.

If you happen to be running u6 (Experimental), you're SOL, because the Experimental DS uses about 10 GB of memory, leaving you with usable 3. The game client uses 5 GB, and you have -2 GB (that's negative two) of RAM -- meaning you're swapping like crazy.

The thing about swapping is that accessing a page that's been swapped out to disk is orders of magnitude slower than RAM - instead of the read taking microseconds, it suddenly takes 200 ms, and everything goes to shit.

You can run the dedicated server on the same machine, but it doesn't mean that you should.

Add 8 GB more RAM (or even 16 if able).

[candid night]

Alright. So experimental keeps crashing so I want to revert. Is there a way to make my server roll back to normal? Or do I need to Uninstall and reinstall?

I backed up my save before moving to experimental ao I'm good there

[blazing halo]

You can always install a different version into another folder with steamcmd, but otherwise it'll depend on how you're installing it in the first place (if via STEAM or Epic Launcher, you'll have to figure out how to with the UI).

As long as they're running under the same user account, they will share the save folder between them.

[candid night]

Sorry, I didn't say. I used steam CMD.

[candid night]

So since I used steam CMD, can I just run the beta installer again and it will override the experimental?

[blazing halo]

I just wipe (or rename) the folder before attempting an install.

I would not rely on steamcmd's ability to tell which files match and which don't.

On the one hand: it does have a file manifest, since it must know how to request an update delta and/or which files to verify and re-request.

On the other: it should not delete any files it doesn't recognise...

[royal dove]

I think i/we broke the server; saves are taking 33+ seconds and people with poor connections are dropping :p

[blazing halo]

Nope. You just crossed the save-vs-timeout threshold. ;]

There are three ways to resolve this:

a) get a faster CPU (this will make saves happen faster)

b) wipe the save and start over (you can use a save editor to remove all structures without removing the learned recipes)

and c) extend the timeout beyond 30 seconds

As for extending the timeout, I haven't had to try yet, so I can't really tell you how well it'll work.

If you wish to try, find the save's configuration file Engine.ini and add (or modify) this section:

[/Script/OnlineSubsystemUtils.IpNetDriver]
InitialConnectTimeout=60.0
ConnectionTimeout=60.0

The values are in seconds, default 30.0.

If the [/Script/OnlineSubsystemUtils.IpNetDriver] section already exists, simply append these two values to the end of it.

[royal dove]

Hmm, not sure if i can do plan A. B is a no, C. is erm tricky but could try.

[blazing halo]

What's your server CPU, by the way? I'm curious. You can also use the online save editor to make a map of your current structures - I'd love to see how much is "33+ seconds" in terms of saving. :D

Also, do keep in mind that CSS is still working on the game, and the save routine is also being worked on - so its efficiency may change over time (improve, hopefully ;P). Even with the fastest CPU in existence, there's still an upper limit to how much stuff can be going on before the save times get too long again. If you're looking at 30+ save times, you may want to consider increasing the save interval as well, so that you don't get held up for 30 seconds every 5 minutes.

[royal dove]

CPU: Intel Xeon E5-2650v2 - 8 Cores
MEM: 16 GB
DISKSIZE: 120 GB SSD NAS
BANDWIDTH:~500Mbit/s up/down

Yes already bumped that one up. :p

[blazing halo]

Yeah, that CPU is great for multithreaded stuff, but not all that great for single-thread performance.

[royal dove]

Not much i can do about that one though...

[blazing halo]

Yeah, I know. Still, the game wants single-thread performance.

Especially for things like saving, since the serialization that happens during is a single-thread task.

Though by the time you arrive at 1-minute save times, you'll need to do something about it.

[royal dove]

Correction: CSS need to do somethign about it. :p

[blazing halo]

Well, true, but good luck selling that as the excuse to your players. ;P

[royal dove]

They already know 😉

[blazing halo]

Still, waiting for CSS to fix it is like sitting out on the desert waiting for the rain to fall.

You could do that... or you could build a water tank.

[royal dove]

water tank for what the tears of my players? :p

[blazing halo]

As long as you desalinate it, the plants won't care.

(hint: "building a water tank" is my way of saying "buying a faster CPU" here ;P)

Just because CSS have to fix it doesn't mean you can't do something in the intervening time.

You could try for something like the 2667 v2, or the 1660 v2. I don't know about compatibility or availability, but there's a whole list you can check out @ www.cpu-list.com/lga2011-cpu-list/eng/

(it might also be a good idea to expand to 32 GB of RAM, since DDR3 isn't all that expensive, and you probably have enough slots to go wild)

[royal dove]

Erm it is not a phsysical system i can touch 😉

2667 is maybe an option, but not this weekend to much work 😛

[blazing halo]

Collocating?

[royal dove]

@blazing halo Late responds; but yes it is a system i hired; could try to see if they can give me a better CPU; as far i know they also want to "sell" Satisfactory hosted servers, but they probably going to get the same problems then.

Also the .ini edit does not work 😦

[vivid compass]

Hey, since today i can no longer join my dedicated server. Myfriends can join but i get 1 of 2 errors

1: network error (the image)
2: outgoing reliable buffer overflow

I have restarted both the server and my client multiple times, tried verifying the game content to.

My network quality is on ultra.

Server log:
https://pastebin.com/raw/BiMbwC5h

My friend gets kicked when i try to join.

I do hear the spawning in sound. The player standing up or something?

[cosmic arch]

sooo

quick question

any clue why signals dont work when the server restarts?

I am talking about a dedicated Server.

whenever he does a restart Path Signals dont work anymore and all the trains stop

[vivid compass]

Any way to delete my character from the map? Doesn't seem possible in the satisfactory-calculator editor.

trying it on a different device doesn't change the problem.

Trying it on another network doesn't change the problem. I guess my character is just corrupt or something

[tawdry marsh]

you can just find the player sitting on ground and kill it

[naive hazel]

Hey we are trying to install U6 on a own server. Static IP4 we do have etc.. We get the error message "Connection lost" when we try to connect. We checked all Ports, all are open. Firewall none.
Anyone know how to get U6 working ?

[granite crystal]

Did you change any config?

[naive hazel]

Server admin says no 🙂

are you experienced with this?

[vivid compass]

Fixed it./

[granite crystal]

I run my server, but need see logs

[frosty gale]

hey, can anyone help me with setting up a dedicated server? cus the cmd window is crashing when i wanna start the server

[granite crystal]

https://github.com/asidsx/SatisfactoryPyServerInstaller

[frosty gale]

ah

[granite crystal]

rinstall new server

[frosty gale]

thx

+rep

and can you add mods?

[granite crystal]

no )

[frosty gale]

oh okay :_)

is still crashes ( @granite crystal sorry for the ping tho :/ )

[naive hazel]

@granite crystal what do I do with the py file?

I have the steam version 🙂

downloaded the dedicated server too

[granite crystal]

o_0 nothing use only https://github.com/asidsx/SatisfactoryPyServerInstaller/releases/download/ver-3-satisfactory-server-installer/main.zip

[blazing halo]

Fixed it how? By killing the character?

[vivid compass]

Yeah

[granite crystal]

drop this exe in new folder and run

[naive hazel]

what's this main.exe ?

[granite crystal]

and choise what you need

[granite crystal]

yes

[naive hazel]

where did you get the main exe from ?

where do you officially download that ?

[granite crystal]

i create him

[blazing halo]

He means he's the author of the software, of course.

If you have python, you can just run the .py file directly.

It's a simple server manager program. It does a number of things for you. But anyway.

[blazing halo]

Tell me more what you did, what works, what doesn't, and what happens. What tutorial did you follow?

[naive hazel]

@granite crystal ookaaay you are a legend then. you made the hole thing 😄

@blazing halo thanks. I'm trying to find a simple solution for myself. The guy hosting the server is in our discord and I'm basically trying to ask for help here, but it's kinda impossible to be the middle man. I showed him to the tool from Asidx and he's currently checking it out. He got U5 working now finally, trying to go for U6. Thanks for the help. I'm gonna keep trying to install a server with it myself and see if I can get it running. but playing the middle man for this dude is kinda inefficient xD

Is there a step by step guide how to launch this? trying to follow along the git readme still a little confuse

Step 1 :
Download .. download what ? the tool or download the dedicated server?

[blazing halo]

If you look at the top of the Discord channel, there's a Wiki link with step-by-step instructions on how to install the server. It should be enough to get you going without any tools.

[naive hazel]

ohh okay.. let me find this.

[blazing halo]

What is your servadmin working with? Windows? Linux?

[naive hazel]

Windows Server 🙂

[blazing halo]

Big oof. :D

[naive hazel]

why ? 😄

[blazing halo]

Switched to Linux, haven't looked back. :D

Haven't touched Windows Server since 2007 or so.

[naive hazel]

I mean he actually does it professionally. but well seems like the simple stuff still gets him 😄

ahh okay ^^

[blazing halo]

Hm

You want to invite him over here?

[naive hazel]

Yeah, I've done that 3 times already. lemme try again

[blazing halo]

If not, I can jump over to yours. Got nothing better to do. :D

[naive hazel]

Fiiiinaallly . big oof, hee's coming 😄

[blazing halo]

ᵧₐᵧ

[orchid flicker]

hey

[blazing halo]

Sup my dude. What seems to be the issue?

[blazing halo]

This the guy?

[orchid flicker]

We want the Dedi to run with mods.
I just lack knowledge of where to install the mods and the SML.

[blazing halo]

SML doesn't currently support the dedicated server. Currently unpossible.

Sorry.

Listenserver-only.

[orchid flicker]

Ok is there another way to run dedis with mods

[blazing halo]

No.

[naive hazel]

the mods are claiming to be U6 ready. So they still don't work? Or simply not on dedicated servers?

[blazing halo]

SML came out when the DS wasn't a thing.

So it was never written with dedicated server support.

[naive hazel]

ahhhhh

[blazing halo]

It doesn't even have Linux binaries to hook into the thing. :/

So yeah, until SML is server-ready - the mods won't work with the DS.

Vanilla mods should, but they don't exist. Everything relies on SML.

[orchid flicker]

OK

^^

[blazing halo]

(the server itself supports mods just fine, but all mods require SML, and SML does not work with the DS)

[naive hazel]

SO dedicated server only vanilla. U6, let's go

[blazing halo]

Pretty much, yeah.

[orchid flicker]

Ok and U5 same?

[blazing halo]

Yup.

If you can afford an extra Satisfactory license, you can just run a game client and set the player limit to 5.

Put the "extra" player in a concrete box somewhere and forget about it. :D

[naive hazel]

Can you somehow make it energy efficient?

[blazing halo]

I wish.

[naive hazel]

So a gpu doesn't render the images all the time ?

[blazing halo]

It's something I toyed with, but sadly, it will require the GPU to run.

[naive hazel]

oki doki !

[blazing halo]

Unless you can get a driver that just renders into /dev/null or something... or, says it renders, but actually doesn't.

I dunno.

[naive hazel]

Do you happen to know of a way to deactivate day and night cycle in vanilla ?

[blazing halo]

Not a built-in option.

[naive hazel]

is that possible with a dedicated server ?

ahh ok

no even with console commands or so ?

[blazing halo]

No.

Also, cheats are explicitly removed from the game,

so that is also out.

Believe me, I came from ARK and Conan, I asked all of these questions before. :D

[naive hazel]

Dude I'm already saying to the other guys that I'm super impressed. I ask, Peng! answer in bullet speed

[blazing halo]

You can however increase inventory slots (and hand slots in u6) via .ini settings.

[orchid flicker]

OK, great thanks for the information

[blazing halo]

That's about the only thing that works, that I could find - cheat-wise. :D

[naive hazel]

the only thing is that one of our players start to get headaches with the day/night cycle. Visually fatiguing.

[blazing halo]

Unfortunately - not something that was considered. It's not even in the vanilla game.

[naive hazel]

anyway, so we'll have a talk about what to do. Dedicated or electic heater in the middle of a hot summer 🙂

[blazing halo]

You can try running it inside a VM, with a hacked GPU driver that doesn't actually render 3D.

Though good luck navigating the menu...

If it had the option to switch 3D rendering on/off...

[naive hazel]

Thanks soo much for the great help. Hmm yeah, that sounds like a neaty, nerdy solution 😄

[blazing halo]

Though, if you're on Win10, that might not work at all, since even the desktop needs some rendering support.

In general - meh.

You can try putting a GT210 in, or something.

[naive hazel]

if you could tell the game client to stop rendering, that'd be nice already D

[blazing halo]

It'll get an impressive 0.5fps, but it might run. xD

[naive hazel]

launch the game, open pc case, rip out gpu as fast as you can 😄

[blazing halo]

Yeah, I fear that it might reach never before seen speeds for crashing.

[naive hazel]

worth a laugh on a youtube video, send it to the devs 😄

[blazing halo]

xD

May be worth a laugh,

but is it worth a motherboard PCIe slot?

xD

You could also try running it in a x1 slot, that might also help. Or it might not work at all, hell knows.

[naive hazel]

I actually alreadys purchase a mainboard where someone actually managed to rip out a 16x pci-e slot 😄

only had 1 gpu so it didn't matter

[blazing halo]

Hey, if you do find a solution to this, let me know! I've been looking for a solution for a while now.

[naive hazel]

but it's possible ^^

sure! we were wondering how nitrado does it with the mods then. or maybe that's false information

[blazing halo]

From what I know, it's false information.

Either that, or they got the SML source code, rebuilt it for the DS somehow,

and are sitting on it like the motherfuckers they are, instead of releasing it to the community.

:)

[naive hazel]

hahaha

[blazing halo]

I mean, that's actually something people could sue them for, I think.

But these guys already do underhanded stuff, so I wouldn't put it past them.

[naive hazel]

if you have enough cash and nerves 😄

[blazing halo]

They could also be claiming that their servers support mods

because technically they do

It's not that the DS doesn't support mods.

It's the other way around. :D

The mods don't support the DS. :D

Skip http(s)

[naive hazel]

wouplsiii no links allowed ?

server.nitrado.net/usa/news2/view/most-popular-satisfactory-mods/?f=index/mode:0/page:1

bruh, kinda looks like they have it actually working

hmm ok. I click the link: how to install mods on your dedicated server. get the payment screen.

they probably do it over their UI stuff. Seems like you are right bud. Guess they figured out the secret sauce!

[blazing halo]

That's weird...

Let me ask in Satisfactory Modding. xD

[naive hazel]

Sure 😄

[blazing halo]

I think this is rather conclusive.

[naive hazel]

haha... what are the odds, your little nitrado joke was actually gold on point

[blazing halo]

Mods do not work on dedicated servers yet. Dediserver support requires work and time, but it is coming 🔜! Just don't ask for ETAs please. For more info, read the faq about dediservers.

Note: If a hosting service tells you they can make mods work, they are not telling the truth. Mods have to be built for these platforms, and they are not able to rebuild our stuff because that tooling comes from us.

(emphasis mine)

[naive hazel]

Okay, but we have a dude here that acutally already played u5 with nitrado and smm mods

[blazing halo]

And the SML guys say they don't support the DS.

[naive hazel]

he just selects the steam ids in the Ui, restarts the server, nitrado installs everthing and is able to play the mods on nitrado servers

[blazing halo]

Put me in contact with this guy.

I want to see visual proof.

[naive hazel]

xD

[blazing halo]

Seriously. I see these options:

a) Nitrado (and this guy you mentioned) are lying bastards

b) Nitrado built their own tools and aren't releasing them to the community - which, while a bit faggy, is well within their rights...

c) Nitrado ripped SML off, somehow, and need to answer for this

[naive hazel]

xD

yeah we are ripping him apart in our interrogation xD

think he is talking about steam mods....

We are purchasing a nitrado server now and test it

[blazing halo]

Yeah, SF doesn't support the Steam Workshop just yet, so that would be a heaping pile of bull||shit||.

[naive hazel]

anyway. couple $ spent. We'll know in a couple minutes

[blazing halo]

Keep me updated, please.

[naive hazel]

probably you are right

[blazing halo]

Oh, there's also option D

[naive hazel]

xD

[blazing halo]

D as in CSS are D||ICKS|| and helped Nitrado out somehow

but I don't see it happening...

[vivid compass]

nice site 🤣

[blazing halo]

VERY NICE :D 👍 🤣

||Pełna profeska. :D||

[naive hazel]

yeah, theoretically they could still use the sml code, modifiy it and use it. They are not redistributing sml code so they also wouldn't have to publish their modifications under GLP3 license. You can download blender and change it in any way or form and use it for your own purposes.
It'd probably be a good cash cow for them but I don't think they have it running. Anyways we'll see it in a couple mins.

[blazing halo]

They wouldn't have to, true, but I wonder how their mods work without giving you access to their mod loader.

(the game expects mods to be the exact same between server and client)

And if they are giving you the loader, they also have to provide the source code for it. And that is irrelevant of any fees they charge for your use of their services, or whatever.

If they wanted to, they could simply offer to mail it to you on floppy disks... with air cargo postage, or something, to make it as expensive and difficult-to-use as would be humanly possible.

Still, someone would swallow those fees, just to re-release it for the community.

[blazing halo]

Well?

[vivid compass]

🤣

Thats really scummy....

[naive hazel]

@blazing halo

little bit updated, they actually even show SMM!

scammy dudes over at nitrado

[blazing halo]

WELL THEN... xD

So it seems Nitrado really doesn't have a level that is too low...

I mean, I knew they were scummy, but damn that's a new low...

[blazing halo]

I hope you went through their refund process, just to drive the point home?

(since they seem to be advertising a service they can't actually offer)

Damn, I wish we could have some sort of a blacklist, or something...

At least Satisfactory doesn't actually have an ad for Nitrado in-game (like some other games do...).

[vivid compass]

Yeah they really make it look like there is full modding support.

And the in game ads are really stupid.

I also find 29 euros a lot of money for a single game server 😅. At least comparing to hetzner pricing for a full dedicated (root) server...

[blazing halo]

I'm actually wondering if it's even legal for them to make it seem like they do have mod support, without putting up a disclaimer (even in goddamn small print!) that this functionality is not available yet.

BEFORE asking for your card's details, as in.

[vivid compass]

Since nobody is going to sue them over it they most likely won't even care if it's legal or not

And they never acually say "we support modding for this game"

[blazing halo]

Seeing as they're in Germany (and thus, the EU), I think we can get them on the hook for this.

[vivid compass]

But they do say this:

[blazing halo]

But it'd have to be reported in Germany, I think... The EU website basically tells me that individual countries are responsible for their shares of the market.

[vivid compass]

With a link to the nitrado satisfactory servers

[blazing halo]

They do. And while they don't outright claim to support mods, the entire page is designed to imply that they do, and to convert it to a sales lead.

Which, at least in the EU, isn't exactly legal.

I'm saving a snapshot of that ad page in the Web Archive.

Meh, I can't link it.

[vivid compass]

without https

i will save it to

[blazing halo]

Yeah, no, I can't,

because a part of the link further down (a very important part, actually) also has "https" in it

But I can do this: bit.ly/3PRKDHq

[uncut stag]

How do I join server

[blazing halo]

In the game's main menu, select Server Manager, add your server via the provided UI, and once it's connected (and you've authenticated, if necessary) - click on Join.

[subtle sundial]

yeah, the mod installation guide is legit, except for the claim of mods on dediservers
i mean, yeah, you can install them, but fuck all is going to work lol
i have passed this on to the rest of the mod server team

[nimble sapphire]

so did they fix the massive ram consumption that happened when starting with the new update?

[blazing halo]

How do you mean?

[nimble sapphire]

when the new experimental came out, it was consuming like 8-10gig of ram during boot

i mean during first log in

[blazing halo]

Yeah. Because, well, u6 requires about 10 G to run, where u5 required about 8.

Unless this goes down when they build a non-debug version (which, to be fair - it might, when the debug symbols are removed),

you'll need to get used to the fact that u6 needs more RAM, simply.

[mental locust]

Yep

@vivid compass ya I pay 100 for mine that can host a few instances

[vivid compass]

Wich cpu? 😅

@mental locust

[vivid compass]

Ah i am currently on the AX41-storage + 512 gb ssd

[mental locust]

Not bad

How much

[vivid compass]

€56.27

But they did an oopsie...

[mental locust]

How

[vivid compass]

and instead of 2x2tb they gave 2x 6tb 😅

[mental locust]

Lol lucky

Do they know?

[vivid compass]

prob went wrong with some extra custom stuff in the order like usb drive and ssd drives

[vivid compass]

No clue. Had contact through support and never heard anything from it.

[mental locust]

Lol lucky

[vivid compass]

Yeah free storage for plex 😄

[mental locust]

I might run a few virtual machines

[vivid compass]

Windows server?

[mental locust]

@vivid compass I miss the unlimited Google drive days with no quota

Ubuntu

[vivid compass]

With DE? or headless

[blazing halo]

Thank the guy who decided to upload all of the porn to see if it really was unlimited... As it eventually turned out, it wasn't - or, it was not financially viable for it to be, anyway.

[snow sandal]

came back and.... this happened

no more water for me and @young sinew

[blazing halo]

"This" being...?

[blazing halo]

... yeah, that apparently happens.

Remove, purge, rebuild.

[snow sandal]

yeah

thought so

[vivid compass]

Exactly that happend to me today. But with oil

[vivid compass]

This did indeed fix it

[blazing halo]

However, this does make me wonder... it looks like CSS are experimenting with piping uranium waste.

(otherwise why have it as a liquid resource?)

That would certainly be interesting. Much more sense than barrels.

[fierce ledge]

what dedicated server hosting website do you recommend for 5 players?

[blazing halo]

I, personally, can't in good conscience recommend any of them. :)

But whatever else you do, do not choose Nitrado. They're shady and scummy, from predatory ad tactics to getting you to pay for services they don't actually offer yet.

And word of note: mods do not work with the dedicated server at this time. If a hosting company says (or implies) that they do (like Nitrado), they are lying to you.

[fierce ledge]

We just want vanilla

and the least scummy in your opinion?

I'm sick of hosting them myself tbh

[blazing halo]

No clue... I've seen people say not bad things of Hetzner, but I haven't used them personally. I self-host.

[blazing halo]

Why?

[fierce ledge]

I want to play something else, my friends want to keep playing it, i get 6598363 discord pings...

[blazing halo]

Ah.

[fierce ledge]

Can't use my computer for anything other than satisfactory for a month

[blazing halo]

Yeah, that's a good enough reason I suppose.

I thought you had a technical gripe, and most of those can be resolved or automated away. But that... yeah.

[fierce ledge]

Well, I'll check that Hetzner site, thanks for everything!

[mental locust]

@blazing halo it was bound to happen

@fierce ledge good deals:)

[cursive moat]

How to join my friend in a server ؟

[blazing halo]

In the game's main menu: select 'Server Manager', add your friend's server, and when it shows its info, click 'Join'. Your friend should know what info to give you.

[cursive moat]

what are the informations.؟

[blazing halo]

If your friend set up the server, they should know.

[subtle sundial]

i have never seen a backwards question mark before

[blazing halo]

Me neither. Apparently it's used to denote sarcasm or something...

[clear cloud]

Hi, I've got a dedicated server I need to pull a saved game off of, its linux based and I've looked in the wiki but I dont have an Epic directory. There is a FactoryGame directory in the root but it does not have a SavedGames folder. I would appreciate any help with finding the save game directory. The server does have a Steam directory but the saves dont appear to be in there either. I'm getting my server from Bisect Hosting

[vocal jungle]

look on the home

of the user thats running the server

[clear cloud]

So the server isnt running local on my computer, it is a dedicated server, however just in case I just checked my save directory locally and it isnt there either

[vocal jungle]

did you look in ~/.config

do you have terminal access on the host

[clear cloud]

Yeah, I found it, missed the /.config directory, so I'm gonna go bury my shame now 🙂

[vocal jungle]

no need i am not mad at you just disappointed in you lol

[frosty gale]

that'd be cool to have uranium waste as a liquid, though it may change a bit for systems that help remove that waste

[blazing halo]

For me, this is the first game server that actually does things this way. Everything else I ever set up kept its saves along in its directory structure somewhere - or allowed me to configure where I'd like it to put 'em. This is the first one I've seen that doesn't do either.

[nimble harness]

Maybe someone will know , But are large files sizes still to this day regardless of how much power a DS server has will eventually start slowing down drastically? The one we are on Is approaching 8 megs and the FPS is really starting to bottom out

[mental locust]

@blazing halo how would I hide my ip when I share a instance

[blazing halo]

You wouldn't.

The other end needs to know your IP in order to connect, much like you need to know someone's address to send them mail.

(the equivalent of PO boxes - the reverse proxy - doesn't seem to want to work with Satisfactory at all)

@mental locust

It's the same question as "how can we block people from downloading stuff from our website" -- the Internet relies on your viewers downloading stuff from your website in order to display it, you can't block it because it's a base concept and at the very core of how it works.

In both cases, the answer is: don't make it public. Of course, this will mean that others won't be able to get to it, but if you're worried - that's what you should do.

You either share your IP with someone - and accept all of the risk and responsibility that goes with it (like the idea that they might attack your network, and that you should have at least a basic understanding of computer and network security)... or you don't, and reject that responsibility and risks (but also reject the possibility of hosting your own services).

It's the core of the whole problem: how do you allow people to host their own services without them having to actually know what they're doing? And the answer is: you can't protect people from themselves. :)

If they don't know, they'll eventually get pwned and will either quit or learn.

Of course, you could always learn before, but judging by the sort of questions we get here (like "how do I run a server?") - that is exceedingly rare.

I get that we should be an inclusive community, and that Satisfactory (and CSS) doesn't concern itself with either the safety or technical ability of its users... but just because you can doesn't immediately mean you should.

[blazing halo]

The FPS (client-side), or the tick rate (server-side)?

[nimble harness]

Client

[blazing halo]

If it's your local FPS dropping, that's entirely on your PC.

[nimble harness]

ok ty

[blazing halo]

Sure.

It probably does have a relation with how many things you have going, but... it's not a 1:1 relation.

[nimble harness]

2700x with 16gb and 2 1080s maybe time for more ram

[blazing halo]

What's your CPU by the way?

Ah

the 2700X Ryzen.

Hmm...

Have you tried running non-SLI, if SLI is even available?

SLI didn't really take off game-wise, and from what I can tell - apart from a select number of titles - it tends to actually perform worse than single-GPU.

The 2700X is new enough to not be a bottleneck. 16 GB of memory should in theory be plenty enough for Windows and the game client.

[nimble harness]

It runs SLI actually get like 20% less juice just with one both cards are 8gb founders

[blazing halo]

And as for the 1080, I'm running one myself, and haven't had issues yet.

Granted, I haven't reached 8 MB of save yet, either, but at around 6 MB it seems fine.

[nimble harness]

when host reboots server fps goes from 30 to 60 to a flat 100fps after reboot

[blazing halo]

Hmm... though it shouldn't affect FPS, really.

I mean, the server doesn't dictate your render params.

So, in theory, it should not affect your local render FPS.

[nimble harness]

and not running a 4k monitor either

[blazing halo]

If the server was lagging (tick-rate drooping), it would manifest as rubber-banding and things getting rolled back, not FPS drops.

[nimble harness]

Is an ultra wide and yeah have all the settings maxed minus shadow

[blazing halo]

Hm, well, I'm runing 1080p, maybe that's the difference.

It's possible that the GPU is simply not enough at that point.

Have you looked at performance metrics?

[nimble harness]

Earlier before reboot snap band and duplicate manta/moths were visable

[blazing halo]

At any rate, this isn't DS-related, that I'm fairly sure of.

[nimble harness]

good to know

[blazing halo]

The reason you're getting better FPS after a server reboot probably has more to do with reloading the game on your end, to be honest.

[mental locust]

@blazing halo tick rate is slow

[blazing halo]

How low?

[mental locust]

it mentions it whren it boots

[blazing halo]

No, that's normal.

It has to do a lot when it starts up, so of course the tick rate will be all over the place.

[mental locust]

UNetDriver::TickDispatch: Very long time between ticks. DeltaTime: 11.90, Realtime: 11.90. EOSNetDriver_2147482347

[nimble harness]

Oh yeah this is my host @mental locust

[blazing halo]

Yes, but that's during startup.

[mental locust]

just making sure

[blazing halo]

Until it stabilises, the tick rate is unreliable.

[nimble harness]

So maybe just need to start planning a new rig soon

[blazing halo]

Though you can't really see it until it finishes its startup.

[mental locust]

also EPYC 7502P vs Intel
Core i9-12900K which one do you think is better

[blazing halo]

For what purpose?

[mental locust]

server

both cost the same on hetzner

[blazing halo]

What sort of server? Satisfactory?

[mental locust]

but the amd can add more ram if needed intel one i cant

[blazing halo]

I would go with the i9.

[mental locust]

why?

[blazing halo]

The AMD EPYC is mainly geared for massively multithreaded applications and massive I/O

it has 128 PCIe Gen 4 lanes and 64 threads.

[nimble harness]

Prolly the single core issue

[blazing halo]

But its single core speed is 2.5 GHz with a max turbo of 3.35.

That's slower than my i7.

[mental locust]

awww ok

[blazing halo]

It would be fucking amazing for things like compressing video, or AI work.

Blender renders. That sort of thing.

For a heavily single-threaded thing like a game server? Single-core performance is king.

[nimble harness]

If Epic games and Unreal Engines could tap multi core hells there would be no issues

[blazing halo]

They can.

It's not about the engine.

[mental locust]

why dont they

[blazing halo]

Remember: the game logic is written by the game developers.

[mental locust]

aww its up to the devs

[nimble harness]

Oh thats right snutt mentioned this last year

[blazing halo]

It's like saying that your house can't accomodate a person that's heavier than 200 kg if you put up plaster floors ;P

[mental locust]

wish they would add multi core

[blazing halo]

They do use multiple threads.

[mental locust]

but i understand why they dont

oh realy

[blazing halo]

But let me try it this way:

would you rather someone come in and wipe your ass when you're done on the toilet? :D

Or would you rather do it yourself? :D

[mental locust]

no lol

do it myself

[blazing halo]

And that's the problem.

Many operations the game does really can't be effectively split between multiple running threads.

Compressing video parallelises very well because each thread can work on its own identical 8x8 pixel chunk.

[nimble harness]

Maybe block chain gaming would work in the future

[blazing halo]

Saving the contents of a memory spanning tree (or whatever they use) can't be effectively multi-threaded.

[blazing halo]

That's another thing that doesn't parallelise well,

because the results of one computation are required for the next in the chain.

Each step has to wait for the result of the previous one.

[nimble harness]

Well as granny always says PHIFFLE

[blazing halo]

It's the reason why heavily multithreading CPUs are great for servers

(which often end up doing the same thing, over and over and over again

for many people at the same time)

but PC gaming is still hevily reliant on single-thread performance.

[mental locust]

@nimble harness we got the best we are going to get at the moment

[sudden mango]

como que cria um servidor dedicado?

[blazing halo]

Please speak English, thanks.

[mental locust]

i see a server with 3.7 GHz

but lower ram

[blazing halo]

For Satisfactory, 16 GB should be enough for current Experimental as well as some time into the future.

[mental locust]

@blazing halo after rebooting the instance it was running better so idk what the issue is

[blazing halo]

The EPYC CPU sounds wonderful, and I'd love to get my hands on one, because in theory you could connect up to 8 PCIe x16 slots to it.

[blazing halo]

Have you noticed that when you reboot the server, the local game ALSO needs to reload everything from scratch?

[mental locust]

yep

[blazing halo]

I think that improved performance has more to do with the fact that the client reloads from scratch

than anything the server is doing.

[mental locust]

it waas running at 9.1 gigs

then went down to 6.6

[snow flume]

Can someone help me, I created the server and I can access and play, but my friend can't have access

[nimble harness]

Heck my mistake when I built this 2700x I thought I could just add more ram but on my mb I would loose the faster speed if I did . I bet a 32 gb pair may be cheaper now just would have 4 sticks of high speed memory going to waste unless I rebuilt my PLEX server.

[blazing halo]

Local machine?

[mental locust]

@snow flume provider

[snow flume]

yes

[mental locust]

port forwording ?

[blazing halo]

Ports forwarded? Firewall ports opened?

[blazing halo]

If you're struggling with RAM exhaustion, adding more RAM would probably benefit you more than the 7% drop in performance would hurt you. ;P

(7% at worst)

[snow flume]

I have this doubt about the doors, it may be that they are not open, do you know how to open them?

[blazing halo]

On Windows: please google how to open ports under Windows.

[blazing halo]

For your router: please look up your router's make and model, and google "make & model port forwarding" for tutorials.

[sour citrus]

How safe is all that?

[nimble harness]

Well I just may try this now that ram collecting dust ddr4 3466mhz

[blazing halo]

I'm not currently aware of any CVE in relation to Satisfactory, DS or listenserver.

[blazing halo]

Don't be obsessed about speed. With current-gen hardware, you would have to fuck shit up royally to really see performance issues. 3466 MHz vs 3200 MHz vs 2666 MHz, I personally don't see much difference apart from marginal cases.

Besides, it's never just your RAM speed, is it? The CPU plays a role, your GPU and motherboard play a role as well. Your disk's read/write speed plays a role.

Unless you know for a fact that your RAM speed is bottlenecking your build...

[mental locust]

what alternatives are there to Pterodactyl

[nimble harness]

well will be back in a bit gotta crack open my Lian Li Dynamic 11

[blazing halo]

Do you really need to gave a WebUI?

The game is fairly simple to run plain.

[mental locust]

for now as i have multiple instances

[blazing halo]

And if you have enough knowledge to set up and run Pterodactyl, you have enough knowledge to run the game naked.

:D

[mental locust]

yep lol

[blazing halo]

Well, I guess it's your shit. ;P

But I run things naked, so I can't tell you.

[mental locust]

i just like i cann assign people access to there instance so they can reboot it if needed

without me having to touch it

[blazing halo]

I guess...

Still, basic SSH access also works. But then, they would need to understand SSH.

[mental locust]

yep

[blazing halo]

Again, I don't let people touch my shit, so I don't know. :D

[mental locust]

mine is in Germany the techs are probably fondling it as we speak poor server 😢

[blazing halo]

What do you mean?

Servers like it when techs fondle them.

:D

[mental locust]

lol its in a server rack in a hetzner data center

[blazing halo]

Even more so, then.

They know their techs.

They purr when one walks close. :D

[mental locust]

lol had a long day at work

[blazing halo]

CONFOUND IT! I could have saved your server's IP and broken into it for free cookies!!!!

FOILED AGAIN!!!

[mental locust]

lol

[blazing halo]

To be fair, breaking into a system isn't nearly as simple as it sounds.

99% of attempts rely on known vulnerabilities.

[mental locust]

nothing sensative on it... not like i horde furry stuff lol

[blazing halo]

The easiest way to not open a vulnerability is to simply not run the vulnerable software.

[mental locust]

keep up to date

[blazing halo]

You consider furry stuff sensitive?

[mental locust]

no lol

[blazing halo]

XD

If I were to break into your system,

I wouldn't give half a shit about your stash of furry porn.

I'd be looking for SSH keys, encryption keys, transactional records, saved database passwords,

saved credit card data, that sort of shit.

Anything and everything I could use to milk your accounts.

Otherwise, why would I fuck with insignificant you?!

[mental locust]

i wonder what your server has... "bought"movies

[blazing halo]

Do you work for Google? Microsoft? Bank of America?

[mental locust]

no lol

[blazing halo]

Are you in some high office?

[mental locust]

nope

[blazing halo]

Are you a known child rapist, drug trafficker?

[mental locust]

nope

[blazing halo]

Then fuck you. :)

Got better targets.

[mental locust]

lol

[blazing halo]

I mean, I wouldn't because I'm nice

(and also because it's not something I'm good at :D)

but you get the idea.

[mental locust]

yes i do

[blazing halo]

The only thing your server is any good for

is as free CPU cycles I could use to attack others.

[mental locust]

could use it to scarape content from websites

[blazing halo]

That, or - more likely - to dig some coin that's currently trending.

I mean, free electricity, am I right?

[mental locust]

yessss

wonder if i could overclock it

[sour citrus]

99% cpu is easily recognizable

[blazing halo]

So it is,

but if you can hit 1000 targets each month, and spend maybe 5% of that time digging,

[mental locust]

@sour citrus they dont have a rule aginst it

[blazing halo]

especially if it's at no cost to you...

[mental locust]

i know a guy with 10 servers

mabe more

[sour citrus]

They who?

[mental locust]

hetzner

[blazing halo]

Most malware/attack traffic on the net is automated. If an automatic script can't find a vulnerability in your system based on the signatures it has, it moves on. There are vulnerable targets it could be attacking while it's wasting its time on yours.

Also, having your IP publicly known or not doesn't matter.

[mental locust]

they @blazing halo they could ddos you

[sour citrus]

Like the poor ppl that cant portfoward through the firewall so they disable it

[blazing halo]

There are only so many IPv4 addresses. Much like random dialing, you can just connect to random IPs, and there's a nonzero chance it'll be one of yours.

(the net equivalent of cold dialling)

[mental locust]

@sour citrus can you port forword?

[blazing halo]

So, security through obscurity is useless. The only way to protect yourself is to either a) air-gap (no connection to anything), or b) run up-to-date software.

[mental locust]

even being up to date wont matter there are zero days

[blazing halo]

It doesn't matter if nobody knows your IP. You'll get hit by a random probe eventually.

[blazing halo]

That's what defense in depth is for.

[sour citrus]

Oh no i dont mess with routers ports or firewalls they there they protect me as long as i dont touch them :)

[mental locust]

lol

[blazing halo]

These things aren't magic, you know. You knowing how they work doesn't make them any less effective, and you not knowing doesn't make you any safer.

[mental locust]

@sour citrus open all your ports 😛

[blazing halo]

The only difference is that you currently assume that they work, and this lets you sleep at night. Once you've learned, you will know that they do (and what they can't protect you from).

[sour citrus]

Ye but messing with them gets me in danger, specially if i cant know if with those settings i. In danger or not

[mental locust]

you sound like a old person...

[blazing halo]

Books are a thing.

;]

Have been for quite a while. ;P

[sour citrus]

It's basically lack of knowledge on my side

[mental locust]

learn 🙂

[quiet cairn]

It's not that difficult all ports are closed by default. Just open certain ports for certain applications, monitor traffic

[mental locust]

@quiet cairn depends if its self hosted or on a server like hetzner

[blazing halo]

The "monitor traffic" bit is what is problematic.

Especially with more and more traffic being encrypted.

[quiet cairn]

Fair

[blazing halo]

Don't get me wrong - I'm all for encrypting stuff. But it does mean that it's harder for everyone to monitor stuff effectively.

[quiet cairn]

If you used a port that nobody uses, you can definitely notice

[blazing halo]

As a statistic, yes.

[mental locust]

hope frosty is ok

[blazing halo]

Graphs are helpful here, but then - you have to have at least a basic idea about how your particular legit traffic shapes over time.

[quiet cairn]

Yeah statistically you can be port scanned for any port but in reality that does not happen. I monitor logs and they are only the common ports.

[blazing halo]

Most cases, yes. That + whatever is the latest hot CVE.

[sour citrus]

How do u monitor the logs

[blazing halo]

But like I said, 99% of attacks are automated, and they're looking for low-hanging fruit.

[quiet cairn]

Never understood why "port knocking" isn't used. Great concept.

[blazing halo]

Mainly because it falls under security-through-obscurity.

If the underlying service isn't secure, that's not very helpful. If it is, it'll only get in your way.

[quiet cairn]

Yeah I agree. But interesting concept. You can find some tutorials out there to set it up for socket connections

[blazing halo]

Yeah. In fact, it can be interesting to combine with triggered services.

But that's fairly involved, and in most cases - has too much overhead, when security can be handled in other ways (like, through some authentication).

Simply put, it's just overcomplicated compared to up-to-date services, defense-in-depth security approaches, and good authorization control.

[quiet cairn]

I guarantee there are proprietary use cases in the government

[blazing halo]

That's true, but never let it be said that the governments are sane.

[quiet cairn]

True more like military applications

[blazing halo]

I doubt CIA uses any of that shit. If I were to guess, they would more probably have good, secure services + very tight access control.

You can't attack what you can't reach, after all.

[quiet cairn]

That's what the ICBMs launch systems are like

At least in the US

[blazing halo]

That shit's all airgapped. :D

And, most likely, on the brink of falling apart, thank fuck. Maybe they won't replace them.

[quiet cairn]

ICBMS have been mostly replaced by ballistic variants in nuclear submarines

[blazing halo]

Which, if you consider the US military, are probably also falling apart. xD

[quiet cairn]

Those probably aren't. But the land ones definitely

Russia threatens nukes and they don't even know if they work

Lol

[blazing halo]

I'm highly doubtful their doors and windows work

much less their nuke launch platforms...

[quiet cairn]

The Soviets we're good at making rockets but who knows what the Russian federation will do with them

[blazing halo]

And I have a feeling that they know very damn well that if they let even one fly, the rest of the world will come down on them like locusts.

[quiet cairn]

That's basically the problem

[quiet cairn]

I'm not entirely sure about that

[blazing halo]

Allow me my fucking fantasy. I'm in Poland.

[quiet cairn]

I hate to be the bearer of bads news but it's possible we would sit on the sidelines and watch Ukraine burn in an inferno then risk nuclear Holocaust

But hey they haven't tried it at least

[blazing halo]

I have this sinking feeling that they're running around like headless chickens trying to put one functional launch platform together.

Because it only really takes one to make the threat credible.

But I'm not itching for a repeat of the Iron fucking Curtain, man.

[quiet cairn]

If it were anything it would be a small tactical nuke.

[mental locust]

@blazing halo if one launches imagine how many would follow... it would be chaos

[quiet cairn]

The war would end shortly after

[blazing halo]

To be fair, I think that if the damn Russians tried a nuclear approach for real, the war would end very quickly after that.

[mental locust]

no china would get involved

[quiet cairn]

The biggest saving grace though is a nuclear war would alienate relations with the Chinese

[blazing halo]

I mean, it's one thing to have a playground bully, but it's quite another to have one with a fucking machine gun on the playground.

[quiet cairn]

They need the Chinese rn

So that's good

[blazing halo]

I'm not saying that the world would retaliate with nukes, because that's counter-productive. No, I think good ol' ground troops would have a fucking field day.

[quiet cairn]

Maybe some "rods from God" on Moscow

[blazing halo]

Anyway, it's nearly 4 AM. I should fuck off to bed. :D

Good talk. Have a good one.

[mental locust]

what size does the saves usaly have issues

[mental locust]

https://github.com/CubeCoders/AMP/wiki seems intresting

with a discord bot that can mention game instance status

[frosty gale]

Interesting. Does it work with steam stuff?

[junior glade]

Is there any approach to invite via Steam or EOS when I started a dedicated server?

I've tried once but the profile is set to private(previously Friends Only) when I load the save, and changing this setting in game seems just no use

[weak shuttle]

Anyone running a dedicated server on a windows machine and as a service? I've set it up with NSSM. I've loaded a save and the game seems to be saving, but I cannot seem to find the location of the saves. It's not in the original locations in the appdata\local\factorygame\saved\Savegames folder. I've checked on both the server and my gaming PC. In the game I can see it saving and updating the time intervals on my savefiles.

[reef gull]

What is the user assigned for the service? And did you check that "user's" appdata?

[mental locust]

@frosty gale I think so

[frosty gale]

Try it out and let me know

[mental locust]

Will do

[mental locust]

How's everyone doing

[blazing halo]

Dedicated servers don't have "profiles", they're always public. You connect via the server manager, not through loading a game. Connections are managed via your host's public IP address and forwarded ports. If you need to exclude players, set a player password - it will be required for everyone connecting to the server for the first time since it's been set (or re-set).

[blazing halo]

The saves will be in the directory relative to the user account the server runs as. It would be best if you set it up under a new user, instead of using a built-in account like SYSTEM - these accounts may be restricted by what they can read/write and where, since they're built-in accounts that don't usually interact with a desktop (and hence don't need many things a "proper" user needs).

[mental locust]

Good morning

[blazing halo]

Yeah, hey. It's 4:30 PM for me, actually. :D

[mental locust]

10:36 am here

Trying to figure out what's causing my 2 instances to tank in fps

Like it shouldn't be this bad

[weak shuttle]

Yeah. I suspected that this might have been the reason. I did have some issues (login time out) with logging in to the server from the game client when I used my own account as LogOn. However, the server was running. It might have just needed a computer reboot to solve the issue, I noticed a lot of issues when editing the Service and not rebooting afterwards

[mental locust]

[2022.07.25-14.36.40:691][826]LogNet: UNetDriver::TickDispatch: Very long time between ticks. DeltaTime: 12.30, Realtime: 12.31. EOSNetDriver_2147482347

After a few hours

[blazing halo]

Is this after a save?

[mental locust]

Before

[blazing halo]

Can you show the relevant log entries?

[mental locust]

Will do but might have to be after work

[2022.07.25-14.41.52:611][780]LogNet: UNetDriver::TickDispatch: Very long time between ticks. DeltaTime: 12.32, Realtime: 12.33. IpNetDriver_2147434646

After save

[blazing halo]

Any such messages after a save are normal - the server was busy saving, so it didn't do anything else.

[mental locust]

People keep reporting the game is laging for them..

Like I don't understand why.. there are only 2 instances

[blazing halo]

You need to pin-point the times when this happens, and look at system performance metrics.

I assume you have more than 16 GB of RAM, right?

[mental locust]

Yes

[blazing halo]

Those graphs look fairly normal.

[mental locust]

Aww ok

[blazing halo]

That last log entry looks like a completely normal Satisfactory save result.

As in, it's taking quite a bit of time (a few seconds), and it will cause rubber-banding when it's saving,

but otherwise? Looks normal.

Ask your players if this happens regularly - and if it coincides with saving the game each time.

[mental locust]

Will do

How many users do you have?

[blazing halo]

I usually have 1 (me), sometimes 2. There were supposed to be more, but...

... I have no friends. :D

So, you know. It's just me, and potential people.

[frosty gale]

I’d join if you’re on U5 and not experiential :p

[blazing halo]

I have both, but that's not my primary problem.

[vague sundial]

I have a dedicated server up; server host server is fine and stable, but every time I try to connect to it, it's a huge chore of retrying and restarting the game. Errors I keep encountering are "Unable to connect to server" and "Server appears to be offline" (which is what requires restarting the game, no other way to get off this that I can see)
Is there something I forgot or didn't know to do to make the process of getting onto a server less of a chore?

[blazing halo]

Satisfactory very actively dislikes my NAT, for some reason. I cannot get a connection going in either direction.

I'd have to let you into my VPN, which isn't something I'm very keen on. :D

[vague sundial]

It does eventually work but takes like 20 minutes of fiddling each time.

[blazing halo]

Ah, so your ports and such are all fine.

Then it's either the distance, your PC, or the server.

[vague sundial]

And once I'm in, connection is really stable.

[blazing halo]

Maybe it's the date/time? From what I've seen, Satisfactory may be using encryption, which is datetime-sensitive.

[vague sundial]

I do occasionally get an error popup, let me see if I can capture it

[blazing halo]

Having a log from around the time the errors/issues happen would also be helpful.

Just make sure that, after starting the server, you give it a minute to actually start up.

[robust nimbus]

Anyone have any suggestions for servers hosts looking at them and im not familiar with any.

[vague sundial]

I'm using Indifferent Broccoli

[mental locust]

@blazing halo same:(

Need friends

[robust nimbus]

Does their standard plan have enough ram for update 6? seems very vague about actual specs.

[vague sundial]

I haven't had any problems with the service other than the issue I've been having getting in; once I'm in things run pretty smoothly. You'd have to ask them directly about specs though.

[blazing halo]

Oh. You're using a third-party hosting service.

Right.

In that case, I have to ask you to contact their tech support for further assistance.

[robust nimbus]

Yea unfortunately electric is hella expensive here so its much cheaper to rent a server than run one on my local machine

[vague sundial]

I have talked to their tech support, and after our troubleshooting it was stated the issue is most likely with the game.

So I figured no harm in asking here

[blazing halo]

I see.

[vague sundial]

I mean I'm more than willing to just get swatted back and forth like a birdie in badminton, that's fine. I work tech support myself and sometimes it be like that.

[blazing halo]

Okay, then. Seeing as you're the first I've seen with this issue since coming here, I will have to assume that it's with the game (... though that's oubtful), or either with their system, or yours.

Or maybe a networking issue, I don't know.

Unfortunately, the game can't provide any more details. This report is full of information, but none of it points towards the cause.

It's only an accurate report of what the server (or client) saw, nothing more.

It could just as well be a wonky path between the server and you, in the end.

[cosmic arch]

you should really censor your public IP

[vague sundial]

just deleted it; not that it matters, if someone wants that they'll just hack it no matter what privacy methods I take. That's why ultra complex passwords are pointless.

(ALso that was the server IP which is password protected anyway)

[mental locust]

They could ddos it

[blazing halo]

They're actually not... but the truth is - the longer it is, the better. But keep in mind that the complexity of your password may protect more than your shit, in the end - strongly depends on what, and how, is encoded.

The more important bit is to have different passwords for everything.

Besides, in order for someone to actually gain any sort of entry through a gameserver, they'd first need to find a method of breaking it that results in some level of access. The password protects the game, nothing more.

As I said before, I'm currently not aware of any CVEs related to Satisfactory.

[vague sundial]

We've all had that experience where you set up a 15 character password of mixed letters, cases, numbers, and specials just to get an email 2 days later with "We got hacked, change your password"

[blazing halo]

Yeah, but that's not an argument against using strong passwords.

If nothing else, it's an argument to use different passwords,

[vague sundial]

well that's just common sense

[blazing halo]

and a good password manager to generate complex passwords for you.

I use this: function passgen { LC_ALL=C LC_CTYPE=C tr -dc A-Za-z0-9_\!\\@\#\%\^\&\*\(\)-+=,\.\?\'\{\} < /dev/random | head -c $1; printf "\n"; }

(invoke via eg. passgen 35)

[mental locust]

Good:)

[reef gull]

hello SysAdmin Notes... 🤣 Thanks, much appreciated

dang it, sorry about the ping, forgot to turn it off

[blazing halo]

If I minded, I would've switched it off.

[quick mist]

I use:

#!/bin/bash
for ((i=0; i<4; i++)); do
   echo -n "$( look . | grep -E "[a-z]{4,6}$" | shuf | head -n1 )"
   echo -n "$( < /dev/urandom tr -dc '_!@#$%^&*()0123456789' | head -c1 )"
done | tr -d '\n'
printf '\n'

works for easier-to-remember passphrases with higher entropy.

[blazing halo]

I wouldn't be so sure about that "higher entropy" thing. For several major kernel versions now, they pull from the same source - the main difference is in that one's blocking, and the other isn't.

[quick mist]

I don't think you understand where the entropy is coming from in my case

"four random words" has higher entropy than '8 random characters'

[blazing halo]

Assuming you're taking 8 random characters. But in the same vein, 35 random characters has more entropy than 4 random words.

I don't go below 25, because I don't have to remember these.

[quick mist]

the math behind 'correct horse battery staple' passwords being more entropic and easier to remember and harder to crack has been documented in several white papers.

so long as the words are not 'curated'

[blazing halo]

As far as I remember, the key is in length really.

[quick mist]

the key is twofold- you're going to want to by able to remember at least one passphrase so that you can unlock your password manager after all.

[blazing halo]

The entire point behind 'correct horse battery staple' is about remembering them, through some semantic key.

(on top of being serviceable against brute-force or rainbow attacks)

Since I don't need to remember these, I don't really care.

I hand-craft passwords I actually need to remember.

[quick mist]

hand-crafting passwords makes them significantly less entropic

[blazing halo]

But significantly easier to remember. And I don't tend to have external access to things they protect.

It's a balancing act.

If I need to reach my local password manager, I don't have a problem with generating a strong VPN key to have remote access. I don't have to remember it. ;P

[quick mist]

I occasionally have to type in passphrases because of the inability to copy and paste through an air gap. CHBS passwords have a definite advantage there, while still retaining the entropic superiority.

[blazing halo]

I don't really see the issue you have with entropic superiority. "Hourglass 2 o'clock. smoke on The Ice" is still perfectly difficult to crack if you don't have a reference point for it,

and even if I gave you my reference point, it wouldn't help you,

because I tend to hand-craft based on immediate vicinity objects.

And, as they say, the staple of a good security system is that it's just as difficult to crack even when you have in-depth knowledge of how it works.

Regardless, Hourglass 2 o'clock. smoke on The Ice or rOxuNbi+(,U&J2p&mYd!8X@?A&hSjyZMX57, they're both difficult enough to require an approach that doesn't involve cracking the password itself.

And even if you have the perfect state of my machine to reverse-calculate the randomness I used - you still don't know if I did any shifting on that password (which I do, when I feel like it).

And I can't tell you by how much, or how far, because I often don't know myself before I do it. So once again...

And finally, counting on random words to have 11 bits of entropy may be optimistic. According to linguistics.stackexchange.com/questions/8480/what-is-the-entropy-per-word-of-random-yet-grammatical-text the closer value may be 7, or as low as 5, depending on the circumstances.

So... don't sweat it. :)

[quick mist]

the differene there is that 'random-yet-grammatical' sequences of words are not as entropic as 'sequence of random words'

as I said, as soon as you start curating the words, entropy decreases

[blazing halo]

I think this is a "forest/trees" issue. Don't lose sight of the fact that these systems are still meant to be usable. Protect your assets as well as you value them.

Anything I seriously value requires a cryptographically-secure key, or perhaps 2FA.

[quick mist]

I want to be able to get into the systems I have past an air-gap without worrying about getting locked out of I misread an I as a |, l, or 1 and fat-finger the passphrase if it's comprised of incomprehensible and immemorable gibberish. And of course MFA wherever it can be implemented is a must.

[blazing halo]

In the end, the single most important step you can make is to stop re-using passwords. That's the primary danger at this point.

[blazing halo]

To be fair, I never said I need to remember or type these passwords in, right? I swear I did, or at least implied it.

[quick mist]

the other thing is to stop enforcing periodic password rotation; that's how we get passwords on post-its under keyboards, but that's a debate for other venues (:

[blazing halo]

Don't even get me started on that, yeah.

The only thing password rotation can help is if you've since implemented a better (more secure) way of hashing and/or storing them,

but that can just as easily be done on next logon, in most cases, transparently.

[quick mist]

indeed

[visual spear]

hi there! has anyone experience with running a server on their own PC on win11? my server keeps crashing after like 3 minutes of doing literaly nothing. (its a save file on tier 6) also i cant find my crash log (maybe it is somewhere but i just cant find it lol)

oh yea... some infos on my PC i guess (its in german if you need to translate)

[snow flume]

hey bro, can you help me? my friend created a dedicated server on his computer, it has the correct ports open on the router and firewall, but only he can access it, for me it appears offline, do you know if I need to do something for me to get in?

[blazing halo]

You will need to find the log, because judging by that screenshot - it should be perfectly fine.

[blazing halo]

I assume you're using the correct IP to connect to it?

[snow flume]

yes correct ip and port, but the server does not appear for me

[visual spear]

can you tell me where the log file normaly is?

[blazing halo]

I would think somewhere in AppData/Local for the user account running the server.

And if not, then in the server's folder itself, somewhere in Saved.

Actually, the latter is probably correct.

[blazing halo]

Then there's a communication problem. Are you guys sure your friend has a public IP?

[visual spear]

ok i found it. let me run around until it crashes again and i will upload it

[snow flume]

as soon as he joins discord i will confirm this with him

after he opens the server, there is no need to run any command in the console?

[blazing halo]

No.

[mental locust]

@blazing halo whats up

[blazing halo]

It's 2:30 AM, I'm reading smut fanfiction. You? ;P

[mental locust]

rofl lol just got off work

[visual spear]

ofc now this stupid thing doesnt want to crash anymore...

[blazing halo]

Well, that's a problem. :)

You should have other crashes stored there, though.

[visual spear]

you want the factorygame.log right?

[blazing halo]

That's one option. There should also be a Crash Reports folder, or something.

Well, should, or might.

[visual spear]

ya and in that i got 3 folders and in those folders are 4 files each

oh god... didnt know that discord does THIS to .log files

[next geode]

Can you ban players yet or any command to set a timer ban

[mental locust]

@visual spear did you make sure there is nothing sensative in nthose?

@next geode nope

[visual spear]

welp... i didnt

anyways... :D

i checked and deleted

[mental locust]

wonder if its something to do with windows 11

[next geode]

anyway to set server restart to set times or every 2-3 hours

[blazing halo]

Hmm... No crashes in those logs, it seems.

What about the context data?

[mental locust]

could it be windows 11 related>

[blazing halo]

That's the thing - these logs are clean, up until they just end.

[mental locust]

odd....

[blazing halo]

The context data XML might be more informative...

[mental locust]

he wont be on for a few hours

[blazing halo]

I'm going to be back in about... 18 hours or so.

Might check in from work, but can't guarantee that.

[mental locust]

have a good night 🙂

[fiery birch]

so noob question ...

dedicated server, how do?

it's not the first game i run a dedicated server at home and its always so convoluted to have run properly.. add the server/client version troubles.

[mental locust]

@fiery birch local?

and what system

[fiery birch]

nah world wide

[mental locust]

i mean is the server located in home?

or data center

[fiery birch]

curreently familiarizing on my gaming rig but will run on an actual desktop server machine

[mental locust]

i host mine on a hetzner machine

[blazing halo]

Remind people there's a Wiki with the basic stuff, like "how do".

srsly

top of channel

gnight

[mental locust]

ok sorry

[fiery birch]

yeah so i follow the steps and i get to the infamous server client version mismatch problem

[blazing halo]

don't sorry, less work ;P

and so on and so forth

[blazing halo]

wrong -beta ... while installing

[fiery birch]

what beta while installing? i clicked on istall on epic

[blazing halo]

ugh epic

ditch epic go steamcmd

epic a shit

:D

[fiery birch]

thought i read it doesnt work between epic and steam

[blazing halo]

lies and slander

[fiery birch]

alright

will try tomorrow

[blazing halo]

ds don't care where ya bois coming from

all IP based, steam or epic protocols don't do shit here

[fiery birch]

adn the IP i input is the host machines ipv6?

[blazing halo]

Are you asking or telling?

[fiery birch]

theres a question mark at the end of the sentence

forgive my french canadianness

[blazing halo]

Okay, let's try this again: that's my way of trying to point out that the question doesn't make sense.

If your server runs IPv6 and you have access to it over IPv6, use IPv6.

If it's configured for IPv4, use IPv4.

I can't tell you, you should know this.

I don't know your server. You do.

[mental locust]

you better know your own server...

[fiery birch]

well thats helpful

[blazing halo]

If you don't know, find out.

[fiery birch]

please try to understand i'm asking question because i don't know

[blazing halo]

I don't want to come off as rude, but dude - don't ask us to explain how your network works. :D

Ugh, I'm probably too sleep-deprived at this point, so I'm entering my asshole mode.

Sorry.

[fiery birch]

thats alright, we all have those

will look at this when i'm fresh tomorrow

[blazing halo]

Yeah, that might be best. I really don't want to pass on partial knowledge,

but I don't see how to explain this without giving you a spontaneous 4-hour lesson on how networking works from the ground up.

Though I suppose I can say this: if in doubt, use IPv4.

There are too many partial (and broken) implementations, wonky 4-to-6 tunnels (I believe Satisfactory internally uses one of those, but I don't have concrete evidence for this apart from anecdotal evidence)... and lots of confusion how and when to implement IPv6.

[visual spear]

Will send it to you privatly when i am at home again!

[next geode]

does anyone know where the save files are located in the server to export to backup

[errant lynx]

How do I get a server?

[nimble harness]

Is it normal to have Deja vu like the moth manta flys by then flys by again39 sec later

[visual spear]

if you would have googled it instead of joining this discord, finding this channel and typing this question you would have gotten an answer sooner

[errant lynx]

Is it free

[harsh sinew]

One question, is it possible to run aSatisfactory experimental Server with 8GB RAM on Docker, because when I start the server this error is shown:
[2022.07.25-20.23.39:574][994]LogMemory: Warning: MemoryStats: AvailablePhysical 727363584 AvailableVirtual 0 UsedPhysical 7039696896 PeakUsedPhysical 7039901696 UsedVirtual 9792393216 PeakUsedVirtual 9792458752 [2022.07.25-20.23.39:575][994]Allocator Stats for binned2 are not in this build set BINNED2_ALLOCATOR_STATS 1 in MallocBinned2.cpp [2022.07.25-20.23.39:701][994]LogCore: Error: appError called: Fatal error: [File:D:/ws/SB-lowprio/UE4/Engine/Source/Runtime/Core/Private/Unix/UnixPlatformMemory.cpp] [Line: 1031] Ran out of memory allocating 1298141184 bytes with alignment 4096 << callstack too long >>

[obsidian rune]

U5 yes. Experimental/u6 - no. It requires about 10.5 GiB of actual physical RAM, and declares about 12.5 all in all.

[obsidian rune]

Depends on what platform you are on. Windows or Linux? Using any sort of managers or running it raw?

[harsh sinew]

It runs on Ubuntu20.04 + Docker + Portainer

[harsh sinew]

thank you

[obsidian rune]

Have you checked in where the Wiki says it should be, i.e. ~/.config/Epic?

[harsh sinew]

No, I did not,but I think it must be correct, because I restarted the container multiple times and I had only to download it once (the game)

[harsh sinew]

So I need at least 12.5GB of Ram ?

[obsidian rune]

I would recommend 16, since you need some for the OS as well.

[harsh sinew]

OK thank you very much 👍

[thorn pollen]

hello on nitroserv i got error message when first installing satisfactory experimental can someone know why plz ?

[quick mist]

Not without knowing what the error was

[cosmic arch]

I actually had to crank the RAM up to 20

just cause the server crashes randomly whenever it restarts

[cosmic arch]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/62cc4f32ca608e0803519592

do you guys have the same issue?

or is it just for me?

[obsidian rune]

Seen it before, yup.

[stoic stream]

Setting the tick rate on the server, lower is better, or higher is better

[blazing halo]

30 should be more than enough for everything.

And it really should be. Stability is more important.

Here's a very good comparison: what's better for your eyes/enjoyment - 60 fps, or 600 fps?

And the answer is: beyond a certain minimum, it doesn't matter.

Yes, a 120Hz display for competitive shooters is better because it allows you to react faster to things, but it does nothing for the overall smoothness of the experience.

And the same can be said about the tick rate. 30 ticks/s is more than enough for the game to manage everything on time, as long as it's stable.

And if it dips, things will lag, and it won't matter if the cap is 30, 60, or whatever, if it can only physically manage 9 at the moment.

A tickrate of 30 means that the game will update 30 times every second, and it'll have 33ms for each update. Doubling that to 60 will halve that time (since it'll then be 1/60th of a second, or about 17ms). If the hardware is good and the code is optimised, things should work just as well as they would with a tickrate of 30 (there's no guarantee that things will improve, mind). But if the hardware can't perform well, or if the game code is not optimised - this will likely mean that things will get left behind or get delayed, as the system struggles to complete everything in 17 milliseconds.

[blazing halo]

Does this ^ answer your question?

[stoic stream]

yes, thank you

[blazing halo]

The game is generally balanced to work well with a tick rate of 30. This means that everything should work as designed at that rate. Increasing it may improve the "smoothness" of the experience, but it's just as likely to have no visible effect at all (and further, it may make the game more sensitive to momentary slowdowns - though it may not, since the client is also balanced to work well with a tick rate of 30, so losing a tick every 60 shouldn't phase it).

It's important to remember that If the hardware can't keep up, increasing the value will not help. If your car can only go 40 mph, increasing the speed limit won't help it any, will it. ;P

[stoic stream]

🙂

i am hoping to get an upgraded PowerEdge, as soon as the newer ones go EOL.

im excited, if I ever get the money together

[bleak moon]

Got a few questions about satisfactory DS:

1. Can you view the current player list from ingame?
2. Can you view the current player list/count with having to launch the client?
3. Is there any ingame 'admin' mode?

[stoic stream]

There are very little admin things you can do. Haven't seen a way to see players on the server, only how many

[blazing halo]

No, no, and no.

Well, sorta no to that last one, in the sense that you - as an admin - get to set up stuff like saves, name, passwords (admin + player) and some misc options.

If you're thinking about stuff like cheats - no, the cheats are explicitly removed from the game.

[stoic stream]

Where is the file to set the tickrate on the server? I forgot

[blazing halo]

You can use the online save editor to configure things like creative mode, or no-power-requirement, but these options are not directly available in the game (as far as I'm aware).

[blazing halo]

You want Engine.ini. It's somewhere next to the saves.

[stoic stream]

Is taht in the main folder where the server files are stored, or is it in AppData

[blazing halo]

It's where the saves are.

[stoic stream]

thx

[blazing halo]

(so, for Windows, that would indeed be AppData)

[stoic stream]

it's not in there, it was ini the main Data directory for the server

and i guess I have to add the line

why can't i find this online

ah it's int he pinned messages

[bleak moon]

I wasn't thinking of using cheats in-game. Other sandbox games have admin menu that allows browsing through grids/buildings etc and doing cleanup and removing stuff wholesale that isn't needed. Useful for keeping things running, and also doing like highlights of what people have been building on the server 🙂

[blazing halo]

Damn, you're right. Apologies.

[blazing halo]

None of that is available, as far as I'm aware.

I have also never seen anything like that in UE-based games.

Well - yes, in CONAN: Exiles, but that was through a mod.

(ARK's admin menu is quite spartan - basically a list of commands you can run, with some extra fluff)

[bleak moon]

yea. I've only come across it in a very simple form in quake like games and Space Engineers / Medieval Engineers.

[blazing halo]

You can use the console (in two ways - directly, or through the server management UI), but I haven't seen many typically administrative commands.

[bleak moon]

right yea, some games do it via some restricted command console. I guess with 4 players .. and I think given the way MP is you be playing with people you know it is not really necessary

being able to view what players are connected and what there ping is ... however is really needed.

[blazing halo]

Here's info on the console: satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Console

Otherwise, you can see the number of players and your ping to the server in the server manager UI in the game's menu.

There's also no RCON, if you were wondering... ;P

[bleak moon]

I might of started thinking about RCON at some point, thanks at least saves me having to ask about that 🙂

[uncut sinew]

can you run a dedicated server on your machine and also play the game on the same machine? My friend was looking into setting it up, but seemed to think you needed a separate machine for the server

[blazing halo]

You can, yes. It's not really recommended, since each will take its own resources - but there's no reason that says you can't.

Of course, one of the perks of running a dedicated server is the fact that you can offload some of the work onto another computer. It's not the primary perk, but it's there.

The reason you typically use a different machine for this purpose, is that you don't want to keep your power-hogging main gaming PC running 24/7 - it's much more efficient to set up a server machine that will consume power in the 60~100W range for this.

The idea behind a dedicated server is that it behaves much like any other system service (as opposed to game clients, which often require to be running as the primary-focus application), and doesn't do anything related to presentation (because there's nobody to present to at the terminal), so it can utilise the full performance of the machine for running game logic alone.

[fiery birch]

you guys know if they plan on making the whole add server thing, subdomain compatible? i don't like sharing a plain IP for a machine on my home network..

[clear cloud]

Heya, I'm running with a dedicated server and I'm starting to see some weird things, we've finished tier 3+4 except for vehicular transport and I'm seeing major build lag and odd belt behavior. Are those signs of memory issues or connection issues or is there another issue I'm not thinking of currently?

[quick mist]

Multiplayer has pretty common visual bugs with items traversing belts, or belt lifts being vertically offset. These bugs are purely cosmetic and do not impact the delivery of items via the conveyors.

[quick mist]

First: you can add a server to the manager via hostname rather than IP address. but secondly, anyone who has your server's hostname has its IP address, because that's how DNS works.

[fiery birch]

yeah i know that bit and predicted to myself that someone would point out how easy getting the IP would be from a DNS.

i'm running the server successfully from SteamCMD and want to increase the max player count. online it says to find the game.ini file but it is nowhere to be seen in the server folder.. any pointers from you more experienced guys?

[quiet cairn]

Domains and subdomains themselves don't protect you. They can be setup to do so, you can use services like cloudflare to help obsculate your true IP.

Many you have to pay for, to get true protection.

[mental locust]

@blazing halo whats up 🙂

i had a question i9-12900K should be able to handle this game right?

getting alot of lag for some reason

[frosty gale]

What’s your graphics card?

[frosty gale]

You’d also need at least 16-32GB of Ram

[mental locust]

its a server

128 gigs

[visual spear]

thats not a server CPU but ok

[vague sundial]

here's a fun bug i've noticed, sometimes belts and pipes won't connect properly to splitters/mergers and T-crosses. Which leads to fun things like seeing all your pipes connected but resources not actually flowing between them.

something to watch for, never encountered that in single player.

[pseudo yew]

Nothing stopping you from running server stuff on consumer hardware.

[crystal eagle]

Find the Game.ini file in your server's configuration directory and add this stanza to the top of the file (replacing the default of 4 with the desired player cap for your server):

[/Script/Engine.GameSession]
MaxPlayers=4