math-and-meta

[topaz hedge]

my issue with rubber concrete .. and I hate to have the U3 oil's limited mentally, but that's really it. on a smaller scale it's not important, and I suppose if you're using the tool to do anything big you'll look through each line to see what it's doing and nitpick it to do what you want.

[wind spade]

you can always disable it 😛

[topaz hedge]

exactly.

[median heath]

It's nice when building in an area that has a random oil node you're not using for anything else 🤷‍♂️

[wind spade]

or random rubber/fuel lying around

[median heath]

True.

[topaz hedge]

Sometimes to get the desired recipe on the screen, it's quicker to enable all alts. and see what gets used, and how much. then go through and tweak it how you'd like.

..or based on what's left on your world.

[wind spade]

yeah there's no way to "guarantee" a recipe

[median heath]

Iron Alloy can never be guaranteed 😭

[topaz hedge]

There is something I need to check using the tool though..

[harsh iris]

New to trains and wondering if anyone has a quick answer to this. I have a 780 input of ore to a freight station with an overflow for when the input stops so the conveyor doesn’t stop, but it only shows about 750 per minute on the freight station

[topaz hedge]

so by this, I'm using about ~8k of that number.. so I shouldn't have to worry about running out of oil at least.

[wind spade]

ideally you want to put it into industrial container and from the container use both belts to put into train platform. That way you can guarantee 780

[wind spade]

no residual rubber?

[median heath]

Yeah, if you're not double-belting the input 780 is impossible.

[harsh iris]

Thanks I’ll give that a shot

[topaz hedge]

it's a personal preference, it adds ~3900 rubber/min to it.

[wind spade]

sure, it's just free extra rubber from a material you'd otherwise sink 🤷‍♂️

[thorn bane]

what about heat fused frames?
what about aluminum?

[topaz hedge]

It depends on all the other rubbers being used, or sunk for a steady output. I don't like byproducts.

[median heath]

That's why you make them useful?

So they aren't really "byproducts" anymore at that point.
Especially Rubber/Plastic.

[topaz hedge]

It does add 12% to total output.

After all the oils gone, and you need that extra 3900 rubber or plastic, surely it's not too difficult to route it to a refinery and not a sink.

[wind spade]

it's also good for kickstarting the recycled loop

[topaz hedge]

high speed w/ silicone hsc or automated wiring? the tools says I need 900/min D:

[thorn bane]

i feel you #screenshots message
thing is im guessing youre making those for ADS to sink and if youre not using 100% resource efficient recipes its not worth to go ADS
so my suggestion is make TPRs instead cause they dont have stupid stuff like that xD

[topaz hedge]

I am doing TPR's.. I've got very little aluminum and nitrogen left after 20 pasta, 20 TPR. I figure the last hoorah for my save will be 60 ADS

[thorn bane]

aaah i see
ye then speed wiring for sure the build count save is insane

[topaz hedge]

60 isn't a hard set goal. I might drop to 30 for sanity, and to try to keep the save playable.

[meager shadow]

double down, no sleep until 120

[thorn bane]

more like no fps until 120

[topaz hedge]

I have doubts my save will make it to see 60 completed.. I haven't even started on that beast and I'm barely getting 30 fps lol

Speaking of, how's your fps?

[thorn bane]

i quit long time ago when i reached <20

just not fun anymore at that point

[topaz hedge]

This is true. I might just scrap the whole project, or do it on a different save, or just do it on a much "smaller" scale and hope to hold on to some amount of playability.

[inland reef]

I'm seemingly having an overproduction issue. Where my oil/fuel/plastic/rubber production seems to over produce it's output per minute in Heavy Oil Residue as well as over producing Empty Containers for some reason. I've got 2 plastic refiners and 2 rubber refiners feeding 1 Residual fuel Refiner, which should all be 60/minute total in/out, however I often come back to find my fluid buffer full and my system stopped because it's got to much Heavy Oil Residue. Ideas? Or is there something I'm missing?

the full system is 3 Packagers doing fuel 2 producers making empty canisters, 1 residual fuel refiners, 2 fuel refiners, 2 plastic refiners, 1 residual plastic refiner, and 2 rubber refiners.

it should all even out

or be 100% efficient

[topaz hedge]

did you do the math right? rubber produces 2x the hor than plastic.

[inland reef]

yea

spreadsheeted that mf'r lol

2 plastic + 2 rubber = 60/m output of Heavy Oil Residue

1 Residual Fuel uses 60/m

should even out, yet I'm over producing Heavy Oil Residue

[unborn maple]

bolted iron plate or stitched iron plate...

the answer is probably "it depends"

[topaz hedge]

do you have good steel production and steel screws?

[unborn maple]

yeah

[topaz hedge]

adhered iron plate + steel coated is the best way to make RIP. but bolted isn't bad if you don't mind overclocking/underclocking

[unborn maple]

I can use adhered, too

[median heath]

Stitched.

99% Stitched, 1% Adhered.

[thorn bane]

hm should work math checks out
are you sure you have enough oil? or maybe the polymer resin is stuttering sometimes?

maybe post a picture of the setup?

[topaz hedge]

Thanks, I couldn't really figure out what they had from the spreadsheet.. ig I can't spreadsheet.

[thorn bane]

ye took me a while aswell xD
so used to sftools nowadays

[unborn maple]

what's your reason for not using bolted RIP?

[topaz hedge]

He hates screws.

[median heath]

Not that.

[unborn maple]

(steel screws)

[inland reef]

Yea, I've got 3 oil extractors feeding the system

[unborn maple]

it's very compact though

[median heath]

1. Stitched is just better.
2. Base is the same production rate as Bolted, and is cheaper. Just takes 2 more buildings worth of space.

[topaz hedge]

it also uses more steel for a given output.

(assuming you run all steel setups)

[median heath]

Even just from Iron. Bolted is more expensive in trade for space.

Base takes more space for the same production rate and is cheaper.

[inland reef]

this image is pretty much the setup

[median heath]

Stitched is better than both Base and Bolted.

Even if you run it off Iron Wire, Stitched is cheaper than both.

[inland reef]

That's why I'm wondering if maybe there is a bug creating more fluid than is suppose to be?

[thorn bane]

bolted is lowest amount of buildings

[median heath]

Did you not see me say "saves space" multiple times?

[topaz hedge]

hey now, it's chill and happy day lol.

[thorn bane]

yes this is just me providing proof instead of just claiming it

[median heath]

People repeating to me what I have already said when someone else asked my opinion is irksom.

Like... I know. That's why I said it.
You telling me what I already know is redundant.
Redundancy bothers me.

[thorn bane]

huh? where

[thorn bane]

no i meant ingame xD

maybe you have a pipe missing or something

[topaz hedge]

I looked at bolted, and in the end I ended up going with adhered. even sevrahn agrees with me 1% of the time. so I'd go stitched + iron wire.

[inland reef]

um, dunno how to answer that

it's all producing and all green

[thorn bane]

go ingame and take a screenshot of the setup

otherwise i cant really help you :/

[inland reef]

sec, just unlucked jetpacks and should be able to get a good image

[topaz hedge]

Prehaps you can add a pipe overflow to the system, and dump the extra hor into a petcoke refinery.

[median heath]

Stitched is the cheapest way to produce them.
Adhered is nice for mass-production later because you'll usually have excess Rubber or Poly Resin somewhere you can divert.

[thorn bane]

"cheapest" in your subjective opinion

in mine adhered is cheaper

[topaz hedge]

unless you missed something in your piping, I've got no idea why it's backing up.

[inland reef]

I agree

[median heath]

Depends on the value of rubber -- which adjusts as the game progresses.
So later on, yes, it shifts to Adhered being cheaper overall.

Bolted Frames - yes.
Bolted Plates - no.

[thorn bane]

wdym its literally the same concept

both save space at the cost of resources

[topaz hedge]

Unless you're building something big in late game, stitched is better.

stitched can be overclocked too.. although iron wire gives me nightmares.

[thorn bane]

if you like building the least amount of buildings (which some people just do idk i wont tell them how to play their game) then bolted is best

[median heath]

Bolted Frames has a higher production rate compared to the base recipe.
Bolted Plate does not.

[thorn bane]

what do you mean with production rate

cause bolted plates is 15/min while default is 5/min

[topaz hedge]

it makes more for a given input

[median heath]

Sec. I'm double-checking myself.

[thorn bane]

thats like 3x as much

[inland reef]

kinda hard to tell what's going on here, but the 4 in the distance are the 2 rubber and 2 plastic

[median heath]

3x as much for 3x the cost.
So resource in to product out ratio they are both 1:1 for plates.

[topaz hedge]

actually, looking at this.. bolted frame does take more iron?

heheh.. 420 x:

[median heath]

Yes.

[thorn bane]

yes thats the point less buildings at the cost of more resources

[topaz hedge]

but the speed tradeoff for that recipe is worth it.

[thorn bane]

eh thats subjective
in my opinion hell no xD

[topaz hedge]

for bolted frame vs regular frame?

[thorn bane]

oh i thought you meant plates
but yes even for frames

[inland reef]

Just checked my Heavy Oil Residue buffer is full again, and I just emptied it not that long ago

[median heath]

Frames I make the exception for because there are so few options (had to look it up to refresh why I held the opinion I had).
Plates has options like Stitched and Adhered that make Bolted irrelevant to me.

Bolted > Steeled so it wins.
Adhered and Stitched > Bolted so no.

[topaz hedge]

actually, bolted frame could be the most resource efficient IF you go this route

[thorn bane]

nope default is better

[thorn bane]

sorry i dont see anything thats wrong

[inland reef]

that's why I'm wondering if there may be a bug with the game

[thorn bane]

15 less steel

[median heath]

Doesn't matter how you slice it.
Base Frame takes 48 Screws worth of Rods, Bolted requires 56.

Base will always be cheaper.

It's just that Bolted can do what 2.5 buildings of Base can do, so it's worth in large-scale setups.

[thorn bane]

yes and bolted plates with 3x doesnt do that?

[median heath]

Stitched better 🤷‍♂️

[thorn bane]

2.6666x of stiched

[topaz hedge]

I mean...

[median heath]

There's a block in my brain that just spits out "Stitched Better" so unless they alter RIP recipes and I have a reason to revisit said neural pathway, we have to agree to disagree on this one.

[thorn bane]

well i would never use bolted myself cause adhered is just better in my opinion xD
im just saying for people that ONLY care about building count

[unborn maple]

Bolted saves space. Stitched is overally better because iron is easier to find than copper.

[thorn bane]

adhered does both xd

[median heath]

Yes, but OC the Bolted and you're saving even more machines 🙂

[topaz hedge]

it's bolted OC'd to the max.. I needed alot of frames lol

[median heath]

And when you're making 135 HMFs/min... you save a lot of space using Bolted Frames.

[topaz hedge]

^ this.. or even just 60.

[median heath]

60 too low.

[thorn bane]

sits at 44/min 🙃

[topaz hedge]

my save dies if i make more D:

[thorn bane]

ok what about bolted plate -> steeled frame

[median heath]

Bolted Plate into Bolted Frame actually has some perfect ratios with Screw production tbh.

[thorn bane]

hm true

[unborn maple]

3 assemblers outputting into 20 assemblers isn't great to build

[thorn bane]

you build 3 assemblers -> 1 belt -> 20 assemblers in a manifold

i would be more worried about 3180 screws for double bolted xD

[unborn maple]

oof

a good reason to cut screws is to not cut FPS

[median heath]

Bolted Plate > Bolted Frame needs 530 Screws/min
Steel Screw x2 is 520.

So if you scale that up, every 4th Bolted Frame Assembler you just need +1 Base Screw line. (or every 5th you just need +1 Casted)

[thorn bane]

" perfect ratios"

[median heath]

26 Lines 😛

26th line is just +1 Steel Screw.

[unborn maple]

Why does this analysis say Steamed Copper Sheet saves 7% copper?https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/mnwugx/update_4_alternate_recipe_indepth_analysis/
Copper Sheet: 2 copper > 1 sheet
Steamed: 3 copper (3 water) > 3 sheets
That's 50% less copper... per copper!

[median heath]

26 lines is 130 Frames/min
Which is a number I need multiple times over 🙂

Especially for all those Versatile Frameworks I am totally automating. 😛

[median heath]

Idk, People who try to do indepth alt analysis are usually wrong because they never can admit "alternates are subjective".

[unborn maple]

The author of that analysis hates screws

[wind spade]

still, alternates are subjective 🤷‍♂️

[amber jacinth]

Alts are honestly amazing. They let you play the game in many different ways, and layouts are completely based around which ones you have. Very neat.

[median heath]

"Alts are honestly amazing. They let you play the game in many different ways"
cough HOR needs a nerf cough

[topaz hedge]

it gives us stuff to disagree about too. lol

[unborn maple]

wright516's analysis places Iron Wire in F tier as the 3rd worst recipe in the game
Crixomix's analysis places it in B tier

[median heath]

Only F tier alt is Biocoal.

And Charcoal.

[topaz hedge]

"in-depth analysis" is someone who wants to looks like they know everything about the game, and says stuff like this sucks don't use it, or writes a single sentence on how it's so great or so bad.

[thorn bane]

perfect

[wind spade]

correct analysis would say "useful if you want to reduce copper usage, but at the cost of more machines"

[median heath]

52 lines, but yes. 🙂

[topaz hedge]

Other than biocoal.. and maybe bolted plates :p Almost every alt has a niche use case where you'd want to use it.

[median heath]

HOR still needs a fucking nerf.

[thorn bane]

7% Copper OVEREALL
so because copper goes to other places aswell the total save is lower than 50%

[topaz hedge]

for example.. heat fused frames.. it trades nitrogen for aluminum.

[unborn maple]

Oh, ok

[median heath]

Heat Fused is de wae.

[topaz hedge]

silicone hsc, trades quartz for caterium

[median heath]

Because you have way more nitrogen on the map than we currently use for... anything.

[thorn bane]

imagine needing hsc xD

[median heath]

<-- It me. I need HSC.

[thorn bane]

eeeh depends on how many turbomotors you make

[topaz hedge]

and aluminum dissappears so fast when you start using it.

[median heath]

45/min?

[topaz hedge]

speaking of, alloy casing, adds copper usage (and alot of it) to save aluminum for casings.

[thorn bane]

oh right thermal propulsion rocket not turbomotor

those eat nitrogen

[median heath]

Imagine automating Project Parts. 😏

[thorn bane]

and thats why you dont have issues with nitrogen

[median heath]

(I'm a bot, you had to know that reply was coming)

[topaz hedge]

scim seems to think I'm producing and using more nitrogen than what's in the game x:

[median heath]

Mods 🤢
Multiplayer Broken. Plz Fix.
If power is a factor in your decision-making, you're building power wrong.
Imagine automating Project Parts.

You all know exactly when I am going to say these things.

😂

[topaz hedge]

apparently packing, and unpacking nitrogen throws off the numbers some how.

[median heath]

https://tenor.com/view/magical-magic-gif-13543499

[unkempt acorn]

Damn... why are fuel generators so tedious

[median heath]

?

Compared to...?

[unkempt acorn]

the underclocking doesnt have the same value of fuel per MW

[median heath]

Yes it does....

Fuel to MW ratio is the same no matter what you clock it at.

[unkempt acorn]

so 12 fuel is 150 MW
but 5.15 is 50MW?

[median heath]

Screenshot, you're looking at the wrong part of the UI.

[unkempt acorn]

Ive got 160 fuel per min going in... which means ive got 16 generators on 100% and one should be on 33%

[median heath]

5.15 = 64.4

Middle left of UI.

[unkempt acorn]

Ohhhhh bollocks

thats confusing...

[median heath]

True. UI could be laid out better.
But power is not linear with clock speed on any machine.
People seem to think that magically changes for generators.

[unkempt acorn]

Nah, i knew power isnt linear with overclocking. i just assumed it was the same as other machines... less input = less output

[median heath]

Both of those are true.

Power is not linear with clock speed.
And underclocked generators use less fuel to make less MW. (less input for less output)

[unkempt acorn]

Ahhh right!

Thanks for that... me being OCD... i wanted to change one refinery from residual fuel into coke, to then bin

gone from 193.333 pm down to 160

[median heath]

Learn the magic of the 45-81 rule.

Will help OCD a lot.

[unkempt acorn]

oh jesus. whats that

[median heath]

When clocking everything after the 4th decimal doesn't exist, so you can't do 1 and 1/3 of something - right?

[unkempt acorn]

Ahhh, i get ya

[median heath]

If you try to do things in even 100's or even 60's, you're run into many instances of xx.33333333 or xx.88888888 etc.

If you set your final product as a multiple of 45, everything in the chain will work out to fall within the bounds of xx.xxxx automatically without you needing to think about it. (Extremely few exceptions to this)

Plastic and Rubber are special, and they follow the same rule but in multiples of 81 (once you have the Recycled Loop available).

[unkempt acorn]

Ahhh i get ya, in this instance, i was just using residual oil from my computer factory and turning it into fuel instead of coke. but that gave me the odd number... so instead i used a majority for fuel and the small remaineer for coke

[median heath]

Your miners will not fit within 45, but them backing up every thousandth or millionth cycle is not an issue most people care about.

[harsh iris]

I’ve seen that on a relatively flat track 3-4 train cars per locomotive, can I put like 5 or 6 locomotives and have like 20 freight cars?

[median heath]

It's the "fun" math of the game.
Miners work in 60's, Products work in 45's, and Belts again work in 60's....

[median heath]

Use 1 locomotive until you need to add another one.
That's how simple it is.

The 1 loco per 4 car thing no longer exists in U5.

[harsh iris]

Thank you I’m just now starting to learn trains

[median heath]

Keep using truck routes in tandem with trains for optimal results.

[harsh iris]

Do the freight cars weigh more when full still or was that also an old update

[median heath]

Switching solely to trains is a bad idea imo and is the choice of either someone obsessed with trains or someone switching to this game from... another game.

[median heath]

They weigh more when full.

[frosty owl]

||One-machine-one-station challenge!!||

[unkempt acorn]

But how does one convey items across a long distance in the early game 🤔

[median heath]

Truck stations exist....

And save you a fuckton more infrastructure space...

[unkempt acorn]

oh god no. i hate those... you have to deal with fuel.

[median heath]

Fueling trucks is not difficult...

[harsh iris]

400 hours in and somehow just starting trains because I can’t lay another 2000 meter conveyor chain without wanting to die

[median heath]

God I hate generators... you have to deal with fuel.

[median heath]

Did you never build a truck station? Ever?

[unkempt acorn]

I mean, early game yes, they are good. But I was using coal, and then I needed the coal else where... And it was to annoying to build a secondary line to feed trucks... I just preferred trains and they were easier to set up ... And cooler

[median heath]

How are trains "easier" to set up?

Building lines of track 2 clicks at a time vs. drive once and hey look it's automated.

[inland reef]

I figure once they're set up you don't have to worry about them, cause automated cars tend to crash and not always easy to get a straight path to where you want to go

[unkempt acorn]

Yup... Because you have to drive the route, then if you mess up, re do it. Etc

[median heath]

Return to my stance that "most people hate trucks because they suck at driving routes".

User error.
Nothing to do with trucks themselves being bad.

[unkempt acorn]

I just prefer trains haha. Especially as a majority of my routes are quite far. Plus with trains, it saves me having to place power cables

[frosty owl]

Routes-making need improvement ù.ù

[median heath]

Preferring trains is fine.
Hating trucks is a different thing.

[median heath]

Copy/Paste splitter settings has infinitely higher prio than truck routing imo.

[unkempt acorn]

hatred intensified

Drones are the best tho ... Just fyi

[median heath]

Also no.

Trucks have the area where they excel.
Trains have the area where they excel.
Drones have the area where they excel.

Best practice is using all 3 in concert.

[frosty owl]

Now, if drones could be powered with nuclear rods...

[unkempt acorn]

Why must you hurt me like this

[median heath]

Truth hurts.

[unkempt acorn]

I like it. 😈

[tropic hawk]

No they are not. In order to use them you must tap sulfur which is needed for production of other things. They are the fastest over long range yes, but a truck can go faster if the distance is under a kilometer. Trains best both by mass used.

[median heath]

Truck beats train if you're doing 1560 or less.

Trains are great for over 1560.

[unkempt acorn]

Oh yeah drones are bad for short distances

[median heath]

Drones excel at remote areas where you don't want to spend time on infrastructure (literally just drop the port down and you're good to go)

No rails, no driving.
Build the port and you're done.

[inland reef]

Screws are sooo demanding

[median heath]

Phase them out.

[tropic hawk]

Depends on the scale. For a small RIP factory they are fine. For a 60 item/min HMF factory with default recipes, it's a nightmare.

[unkempt acorn]

Eyyyyy... 😉

[inland reef]

hell I'm struggling with a 2/m HMF while supporting my other manufacturing with screws

[tropic hawk]

1: Steel screw is a nightmare.
2: just you wait... Late game is gonna hit you like a truck.

[inland reef]

Oh I'm sure of it, I'm struggling just figuring out a layout

[median heath]

You define nightmare differently than most.

[tropic hawk]

I like entertaining dreams. Nightmares usually do it for me.

Totally wasn't a Freudian Slipm

[broken kiln]

There's a really simple generator power plant you can build. I built two and I get like 3000 mw or something

and it can be made better

[median heath]

You're missing the context for why I said that.

[broken kiln]

I know one exists that gets like 20k or something insane

[upbeat tide]

Im the last person to talk to about simplifying setups. All my power setups are efficiently built but very complex

[median heath]

I said it in response to a similar statement about trucks.

[upbeat tide]

Oh I still hate trucks just because maybe long time bias

[median heath]

...

It's U5. They work fine...

Double I/O makes them really, really good.

[upbeat tide]

True. Im kinda stubborn in this game. Most stuff is belted even across the map

I’ll toss smth in screenshots

[median heath]

Belt busses are fine.

The point I was making is you have to do fuel logistics either way.

For trains you have to get fuel to generators.
For trucks you have to get fuel to trucks.

Either way you have to get fuel from A to B.

[upbeat tide]

For trains that’s easier because they are electric. I hate moving fluids besides by pipe so most fluid stuff is built near the source as possible

And check #screenshots for a example of my primary bus

[median heath]

Fueling trucks isn't difficult at all. People just hate them because they hate them.

[upbeat tide]

Nah it isn’t. Just throw a coal node at trucks

[median heath]

Batteries 🙂

[upbeat tide]

Those too

[median heath]

Once I get drones I run both them and trucks on the same fuel source. Keeps things simple.

[upbeat tide]

Yea I want drones just have been lazy in automating my batteries. Plan to do 800 a min using the classic battery alt

[vapid gorge]

Have you considered instead of figuring out all the screw logistic, figure out the rod or ingot logistics to screw machines directly under what you're feeding?

[upbeat tide]

So, I am working on a a project to make 44.8 radio control units.

I actually have a stock of unused crystal osscilators so considering the radio control system alt. Any downsides?

Also have rubber, plastic, and copper ingots lying around so thinking it maybe the best option

[topaz hedge]

I don't like that alt because it uses lots of aluminum in exchange for no computers.

[upbeat tide]

https://u4.satisfactorytools.com/codex/items/radio-control-unit

Im making 12000+ alu ingots and only consuming 600 so far. This would use 1200 w the casing alt

[topaz hedge]

if you have the extra rubber and plastic, I would go with the default to save the aluminum.

[upbeat tide]

Yes got heaps of both

I’ll have to do the math. I have appx 18 crystal osscilators available without expanding that factory

[topaz hedge]

default is definitely better, I know you've got a lot of aluminum, but I'd hate to see you blow 1300 of it on rcu's

[upbeat tide]

My uranium rod plant over supply

[topaz hedge]

or 1200 of it if you use alclad casing

really alclad casing only saves 100 aluminum for that much copper... wow

[upbeat tide]

Yea alt seems to be a must. Without making more osscilators anyway which will be a big headache

Short appx 5 for default

Copper is a non issue. Pure copper is amazing

[topaz hedge]

well, I've shared my thoughts on it. you're not going to miss that aluminum for a long while, if ever.

[upbeat tide]

Yea for this case the osscilators is my limiting factor. Would be too much work to get another factory built. But eh.

[topaz hedge]

go for it, the only time you'll use all your aluminum is if you build a factory for >20M points\min in the sink

[upbeat tide]

True

[fierce ruin]

Wait till u get to >32M / ticket = it's a pain in the ass waiting for tickets !!!

[frosty owl]

You're not supposed to wait for the tickets, the tickets should come while you do stuff like... Making your factory better, or expanding production, or making your factory better, or adding decorations, or making your factory better...

[fierce ruin]

That's what I do = I only check my tickets once every 2 weeks or so

[topaz hedge]

just make a > 10 million point/minute factory.. no more waiting.

[fierce ruin]

I'm concentrating on my - Assembly Director System, Mag Field Generator, Nuclear Pasta and Thermal Propulsion Rocket plants

[topaz hedge]

ADS, pasta, and rockets are are >500k points per item. a couple of those a miunte and you'll have your nut in no time.

[fierce ruin]

yeah + my Plutonium rods currently being sinked

hey Wolfgrim - where r u loated US, UK,??? I'm in Oz

[topaz hedge]

us.

[fierce ruin]

cool - I'm in Oz - Sydney

catch u later - got 2 go and log of from work

[gloomy pecan]

What is the best turbo fuel recipe?

[soft scarab]

It depends

Best in what way?

[wind spade]

none since nuclear is just way better

turbofuel isn't worth unless you really hate nuclear

[gloomy pecan]

it will be my power source to get to nuclear

[soft scarab]

Have you tried diluted fuel?

[wind spade]

for that fuel (diluted fuel) is enough

[gloomy pecan]

alright

[soft scarab]

300 oil = 10GW diluted fuel

[gloomy pecan]

alright back to the excel sheet

[upbeat tide]

For the turbofuel argument, I one of those with a max nuclear setup and don’t think I would disassemble my 80GW TF setup unless I really need the 1200 sulfur it uses back

[wind spade]

it's something else if you already have it built 🤷‍♂️

[upbeat tide]

Yup exactly! At least its using turbo blend fuel so lowest use of sulfur possible.

[wind spade]

I was mostly talking about a situation where you don't have any TF built yet - usually doing diluted fuel is enough and then you do nuclear

[upbeat tide]

Currently building up the pressure cubes I need for plutonium fuel rods. This nuclear expansion project has become quite big

[median heath]

Oddly specific number...

[upbeat tide]

Yes. Requirement to make 22.4 pressure cubes. Which is exact need for my plutonium fuel rods

[median heath]

Would have just made 45 and dealt with the extra 0.2, personally.

[upbeat tide]

Probably gonna happen 🙂

[median heath]

Should. Because rule of 45 makes this much easier for you 🙃

Also Crystal Computers makes this much easier for you too.

[upbeat tide]

Well, thing is already have a unused flow of 18 crystal oscillators conveniently.

Im more of a caterium computer fan 😄

[median heath]

Which is fine, but for RCUs, Crystal just works so perfectly...

RCUs is why I converted to being a Crystal fan.

[upbeat tide]

Eh im the use quartz as little as possible type. Thats why my alu factory omits it entirely.

[median heath]

So you just have a bunch of resource on the map you don't use?

[upbeat tide]

I wouldn’t say not a bunch…I do use appx 8k silica for example for a wide variety of products

Im just wary of both quartz and sulfur usage is all

[median heath]

Bauxite is always my limiting resource.

I'm legit swimming in extra Caterium.

[upbeat tide]

Yea I have maxed out aluminum for the entire map

[median heath]

Quartz goes to Oscillators almost exclusively for me.

[upbeat tide]

Well using pure alu ingot

[median heath]

It's like a 80/20 split between crystal and silica.

[upbeat tide]

Majority of mine goes to silica over quartz, because of heavy use of silica using alts in my uranium and plutonium rod making processes

[median heath]

"Heavy use" of silica for me is just HSCs.

[upbeat tide]

HSC’s, non fissle, encased uranium cells, are mine so far

[median heath]

Fair.
People use is on CBs and it baffles me.

Ct CBs all the way.

[upbeat tide]

Ooh for sure caterium boards is king

I did a comparative analysis while back let me find it again

Dunno why I chose 420 as the production target tbh

And im at the point the only real silica need for future is anything for HSC’s down the road.

ActuLly May have chose 420 due to the clean numbers for caterium CB’s

[median heath]

You chose 420 because blazin.

[upbeat tide]

Lol

[frosty pawn]

Caterium CBDs 😜

[empty glade]

With fused quickwire 😉

[median heath]

Not sure what the wink is about?
Fused QW is the only QW recipe I use.

[upbeat tide]

Fused quickwire is divine. It is holy and it is sacred

[empty glade]

I think I misread your comment... I thought you were saying it baffles you about people using Ct CB. Fused it the key I think.

[median heath]

No no. It baffles me that people use Silica for CBs.

Ct and Electrode are the only 2 CB recipes I'll ever use.

[empty glade]

I'd say it has a place. It uses a lot more copper, but if you don't have oil it does it without plastic.

[median heath]

Imagine not having oil...

[upbeat tide]

Errr electrode is quite horrible. I wouldn’t use it

Even with recycled rubber in mind

[median heath]

I rarely do.
It isn't horrible, it's niche.

[upbeat tide]

The quantity of resources it needs is just too high imo

[median heath]

The fact it needs only 1 resource gives it value in specific scenarios.

[upbeat tide]

True can’t argue against that

[median heath]

Again, rarely use it.

But I'd use it before Silicon. 🙃

Qtz precious.

[upbeat tide]

Caterium > standard > electrode > silicon

My pref order

[median heath]

Anyone who thinks oil is limited hasn't been to the Spire Coast.

[upbeat tide]

Oh I have only tapped three oil zones

• blue crater makes me tremendous amounts of rubber and plastic
• Gold Coast is my turbofuel plant
• highland lakes middle map feed my aluminum plant

[median heath]

Sulfur and Baux are my top 2 limiters.
Then Qtz.

Sulfur just because... batteries.
But that is self-inflicted.

[upbeat tide]

And about to tap the oil well in the swamplands for fuel. Will be used for fused frames

[median heath]

The pressurized node?
Turned that into a CB plant because it matches almost perfectly with the nearby Ct node if you're willing to OC the pressurizer.

[upbeat tide]

Yea the pressure well. Yes it will be OC’s I always OC extractors

I don’t need more circuit boards. I do need fuel so thats priority 1. Whatever goes unused will be for other future projects tho

Plan to use the fused frame alt

[median heath]

Heat Fused is de wae.

[upbeat tide]

Then to smash em into pressure cubes, then smash plut cells into the cubes and out pops plut rods

Taken a long while to build up plutonium facility. Non fissle alone was not fun to setup

[tropic hawk]

Yeah... You're telling me.

[frosty owl]

||Yeah... You're telling me ||

[median heath]

||No one tells me anything||

[upbeat tide]

||I know nothing ||

[frosty owl]

||'cause you can't even be invited to a factory tour because "laptop bad 😢" ù.ù||

[proven prawn]

||your still working on finishing your nuclear arent you ||

[median heath]

Moreso because Multiplayer Broken. Plz Fix.

[frosty owl]

||I raised the bar in decor a tad too high...
The factory been running for a few hundred hours already, at least 😅 😆||

[frosty owl]

I never mentioned multiplayer

[median heath]

"Invited to a factory tour"

[frosty owl]

I guess you forgot our DMs

[proven prawn]

||so basically eta on complete date somewhere after 1.0 release ||

[frosty owl]

Wanna take a tour to judge how finished it is...?

[proven prawn]

yeah sure, i wasnt going to really complete my designs until 1.0 myself, mainly because more decors, etc could be releases and i want to make my designs as complete as possible and looking fantastic, though its still going through varies forms of current complete with existing decors, but you know more decors are likely to be released later and then thats more redesign work

[frosty owl]

More decor......
Happy/unhappy feeling

[proven prawn]

We all know they are coming

[fleet flame]

Except you won’t be too happy when half your factory is covered in terrain

But if you only use the Spire Coast for extraction, then it’s completely fine because extra resources and no need for E X P A N S I O N

[thorn bane]

@wind spade is the wiki wrong?
https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Radiation#Examples
im getting different values for the meter numbers
i think the table is for 0.1 intensity but its 0.2 to not take damage

[wind spade]

no idea, I'd have to check

for the first row I got 0.18 intensity

for 22 meters/100 uranium

[thorn bane]

hm im getting 0.125 xD
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=100+*+10%2F(4+pi+22^2)*exp(-0.0125*(22))

[wind spade]

uranium is 15 intensity

[thorn bane]

oh ye ok
but still not 0.2

anyway it seems like having a storage in the middle of the map and covering everything in radiation is just straight up not happening xD (like 5 billion years at max plutonium)

[wind spade]

21 meters is almost 0.2

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=(100+*+15%2F(4+pi+x^2))*e^(-0.0125*(x))%3D0.2 21.375

[thorn bane]

sure but for example the last line is giving me 0.997

[wind spade]

I got 496.5m for that

so yeah

may be related

also google are you high

[thorn bane]

xD

[median heath]

I don't get this image result if I Google are you high.

[thorn bane]

yep exponential scaling is nice
(this is at max plutonium 22.4)

[wind spade]

so yeah put it in top left corner (and also top of the map) and you won't ever feel any radiation

since it's calculated in 3D space, you can easily get 1500+ meters for free by building it at height limit

[thorn bane]

ye that aswell

[muted crypt]

but also 😭

[median heath]

[versed violet]

1000h save, ~3M waste, still does not touch the border.
The border is delimited by the diagonal power pole line.

Oh, and the small radiation blip is just me having great idea of storing a 24 slot container of uranium rods in front section of my power plant, instead of the back.

[upbeat tide]

Im thinking of using the southeast void as my waste dump. Nothing around there anyway to worry about

[thorn bane]

its way closer to land than north west though

[wind spade]

so the calculations for irradiating whole world with plutonium waste (may be error somewhere because it's late and I can't math):
you need container every ~46.2 meters (in all three directions)
you need ~267,129,000 plutonium waste
which is 607 days (1.66 years) of nonstop running of most possible plutonium production

so yeah, no way anyone with normal waste placement will get affected 😄

[thorn bane]

nice!

[muted crypt]

there is at least one person saying challenge accepted

[wind spade]

I think one may run into object limit with this

[muted crypt]

isn't object limit like... 2 million ish

and that's not including the production of the plutonium waste, lol

The machines would take up a decent chunk

[thorn bane]

thats only 11k ISCs right?

[wind spade]

well you need just a million containers

3D space, 7972*6800*2221/46.2^3

[muted crypt]

right, right

[wind spade]

so depending if container counts as just one item, it may be possible

if it counts as more for object limit, then you'll most likely run into that

[muted crypt]

gonna smack both you and Zev, @frosty owl

Sev**

[frosty owl]

I did nothing...

[muted crypt]

phone pls

Yeah uh huh sure

[thorn bane]

the north sea goes really far before you take damage so id definitely use it for waste storage

[frosty owl]

You just hate us because we have more sushi

[wind spade]

I just hate sushi in general (||except my fiancee, sushi is her nickname||)

[muted crypt]

Yeah I don't like sushi either lmao

[thorn bane]

it looks so cool though

[versed violet]

what about dropping single plutonium barrels in hexagonal grid for optimal irradiation with no overkill?

[muted crypt]

now THIS is pod racing

[wind spade]

yeah, as I mentioned in the original post (https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/m96kuy/how_to_irradiate_the_whole_world/), hexes would be slightly more efficient, but also hell to calculate and I can't be bothered, feel free to do the math instead 😛

[versed violet]

wait, what about the 3rd dimension? We actually need a rhombic dodecahedron (honeycomb) fill pattern to ensure no safe spots!

[wind spade]

also optimal radiation isn't one barrel

unless I've made a mistake, it's really the "container every 46.1 meters"

[thorn bane]

whoa
(sorry for off topic)

[versed violet]

See the honycomb for optimal 3d packing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhombic_dodecahedral_honeycomb

[topaz hedge]

for train throughput.. The charts on carriage throughput were based on stack size, and travel time.

[median heath]

Did you read the wiki page on train logistics?
Whole formula laid out.

[topaz hedge]

These are old, and I think you added 50 seconds the time it took the choo to go between stations

That came from the wiki. lol

it's old, pre U4, but the few times I've used it, it was accurate for me.

[median heath]

I never added 50s?
Converted the lockout animation into minutes because everything else was in minutes, so it was like 0.45something.

And I am fairly sure one of the pages shows the old shit, and another one shows everything I did for U5. 😂

[thorn bane]

what page is that from?

[topaz hedge]

Iono why the chart was removed and replaced with formula, Maybe the formula is less confusing? I liked the chart because I could ride it one way, timing it, x2 it and add 50 seconds. if it was less than the chart it was good.

[median heath]

Formula covers all scenarios. Just plug and play. 🤷‍♂️

[wind spade]

that's from my old trains post and doesn't include load time 😦

[topaz hedge]

and now it's mine to use... forever..

[high patrol]

I mean I tried pumping the water back to my base but didn't have enough power for the pumps so I ended up snaking a power line all the way back

[soft scarab]

Try belting or trucking the coal to the water instead?

[upbeat tide]

Soo for my entire plutonium fuel rod build ID be consuming a total of 3k alu ingots!

• 600 for encased plutonium cells
• 1200 for fused frames
• 1200 for radio control units

Definitely adds up fast

[high patrol]

That's what I ended up doing. I just didn't know if there was a better way to do it. Thank you

[summer fox]

is it possible to reuse the water from aluminium scrap for the alumina solution? i do have pumps atm if i use the by product water instead of a pump or two will that mess things up?

[frosty owl]

Check out the VIP junction in the piping manual () 😉

[upbeat tide]

Yes it is possible, but you need to be cautious on the build

[summer fox]

what i have done is reduce my pumps by 600 water and add a bufffer supplying 600 to the alumina solution

[upbeat tide]

This is my aluminum scrap system

I split a mk2 water pipe into three mk1’s and then use a valve to reduce it more.

[vapid gorge]

Can I recommend something that simplifies it and reduces the chance for back flow? Clock the Scrap refineries to take the amount of solution made and just stick them in front of one another. Saves space as well

I've got all 9780 baux set up so they just feed directly like that

[upbeat tide]

Ooh the alu setup has been built now for 6 months

[topaz hedge]

Someone here suggested that to me awhile back.. I think my setup can still backup but

to prevent backups and allow the setup to turn on and off with demand, I think it was mcgallon.. or someone else.. maybe it was my idea lol. put pumps on the waste water, and route them above the refineries and down into the fresh water inputs of the sloppy alumina.

[soft scarab]

I do this too, works wonderfully

[vapid gorge]

The al solution should never back up unless you’ve got water waste issues

[oblique hollow]

i do this too. i directly pipe into each scrap refinery.

.... at least when i dont use instant scrap

there i just pipe directly into each sulfuric acid refinery

[magic island]

the simple general solution is not to have the extracted water and recycled water go into a shared pipe at all.

have X alumina refineries running exclusively off extracted water, and Y alumina refineries running exclusively off of recycled scrap water.

ta-dah

[burnt wraith]

you can also feed every scrap's recycled water into the next bauxite refinery

[frosty owl]

I guess somebody is slowly running out of water for sulphuric acid
(Goddamit, 5m loss...)

[vapid gorge]

You eventually need to dump the waste somewhere

[wind spade]

generators, wet concrete, etc.

[vapid gorge]

Yeah at some point there will be waste water you can’t feed into the next

[wind spade]

not really, you just build more refineries than you need

the last one will not run at 100%, because it needs extra capacity to process water from itself

[vapid gorge]

Ah well the point then is that you have to recycle it at the end anyway

[tropic hawk]

What if you underfeed the sloppy alumina with water but made it so the waste water plus the input water is exactly what they need?

[crystal charm]

anyone know the minimum foundation area required for a 90' turn on a train track?

[vapid gorge]

If you're making it so input and waste water is exactly what is needed you're not 'underfeeding' and yeah that's how I do it

[vapid gorge]

When dealing with this sort of thing though you do have to be careful about keeping your piping simple and not get backflow and sloshing.

[vapid gorge]

And if you want to get fancy you can use a VIP junction like they show in the pinned pipe manual to really do it well

[tropic hawk]

Right.

[median heath]

Should still be 3 out and 3 over.

If you're double-tracking (like most people), that's the inside curve. Outside track will obviously be larger.

[late orchid]

If you have double tracks laid side by side on 1 foundation each, The outside curve can be 3.5 out and 3.5 over. This keeps the “gap” between the tracks the same as it is during straight sections and looks really clean.

[magic island]

only need to create an overflow sink for if your solids get backed up. do that, and the fluids will literally never back up

[vapid gorge]

I mean at some point with sending the waste water to new refineries using less and less each repetition, you’ll end up either needing to dispose the last waste water in a machine or feed it back into itself

[magic island]

that's not what I do

some of the alumina refineries (X amount) use extracted water, the rest (Y amount) use recycled water. they are all clocked for the amount of water available to them.

all the alumina produced goes into a shared pipe network, and is distributed evenly to the scrap refineries. the water produced by all the scrap refineries is ONLY sent back to the Y refineries

so it's not an infinitely dwindling system. it just needs some startup time, and eventually functions at 100% with no deadlocking.

[empty glade]

I like to set up my (perfectly horizontal) recycled water pipe, then have new water piped in the top of a vertical cross added into the pipe.

[carmine wigeon]

I just use the reverse U for smaller sections to limit the extracted water and prioritise the recycled water

[gloomy palm]

is it just me or is everyone most excited about linear clocking

[median heath]

I hate it and am 100% against it, so that is a form of excitement I guess?

[gloomy palm]

you're against making the game simpler to play?

[median heath]

You say that like it is currently complicated?

[gloomy palm]

It is currently complicated yes.

you literally need 3rd party tools to figure most things out

[median heath]

?

I never did, but anyway --
Game is currently about tradeoffs.

[gloomy palm]

i want to know that i will need half the total machines by overclocking them to 200%

[median heath]

Alt recipes display this by using more of A and less of B, or bringing in C to remove A entirely - etc.
Certain recipes cost more of the same but reduce machine count needed.

Everything in the game is a this-for-that trade.

[hazy path]

understanding the polynomial is complicated, i think it can be softened to a linear equation, but not 1 for 1...

y=x1.5 still gets the same 200% clockspeed to what is now just over 300% power usage, but without the reverse being so OP... so anything underneath that would be an improvement, that said y=x1.5 is relatively easy to see

[median heath]

Currently, the trade of overclocking is MW vs. Space Required.

Make that linear and it isn't a trade anymore, Overclocking simply becomes ALWAYS BETTER.

[gloomy palm]

the amount of planning required to build a factory made things less fun for me

[hazy path]

you can have a linear equation without it being x=y you know? i vote for there still to be a tradeoff but less of one

[median heath]

Planning to build a factory in a game about planning and building factories made building the factory less fun...

This may not be the title for you?

[gloomy palm]

i dont think the game ever implied you had to plan anything

that's just a side effect

if it had planning, it would include planning tools within the game itself

[vapid gorge]

Doesn't really change the amount of planning unless you're trying to aim to be as close to the edge of power supply as you can. Which in general is not a great idea

[median heath]

Oh you're one of those people...

[gloomy palm]

there are plenty people who play SF without planning anything

[median heath]

Yes, and they are fine with building at the scale they build at.

If you want to do anything larger or more complex, you need to plan it out.

[gloomy palm]

the point is you can choose to play in different ways, and that's a good sign for a game

that they make something simpler is just helping a broader audience of players

[median heath]

🙄

Making something unbalanced to help "the broader audience" is not a good sign.
Because where does that end?

[gloomy palm]

a game that more people buy

[vapid gorge]

Again though - changing clocking power consumption doesn't really simplify things things it makes it easier. Not less complex.

[hazy path]

wherever the studio decide buddy...

[gloomy palm]

i'm not sure i follow what you mean

[median heath]

Making it linear makes it best-in-slot.
You should always overclock everything all the time without exception.

That's not decision-based gameplay (like everything else in the game is). That's just boring.

[gloomy palm]

hmm, i agree, you have a point there, but the game has exploration as well, i would argue it's a well rounded game that isn't focused only on one thing

[vapid gorge]

Well you generally don't have to pay too much attention to what your power draw is.
If you are you're probably early middish and it's a 'oh I shouldn't overclock all these manufacturers'

If you're late, you easily have access to far more power than you'll ever need so it's just a choice of 'do I have enough power shards'

[median heath]

Which currently shards are infinite.

[gloomy palm]

are they infinite? i didn't know slugs respawned

[median heath]

So either A: don't change overclocking, or B: make it linear but take shards off the doggo loot table.

[vapid gorge]

Not effectively infinite. He's talking about doggos sometimes dropping shards

[gloomy palm]

ohhhh

[vapid gorge]

Which would take forever

[median heath]

Which makes them effectively infinite.

[gloomy palm]

but not practically infinite

[vapid gorge]

only effectively if you can easily spend all that time trying to farm them. Which I doubt many people can

[hazy path]

this is my key point... if you make it 1 for 1 linear line then i agree with you entirely. theres no consideration, just overclock everything to belt limit and power limit...

BUT make the linear equation steeper, and there is a consideration, BUT it makes it much simpler than it was

[vapid gorge]

but also there's like 1400 shards available on the map, unless you're going massive and overclocking everything you're not going to run out

[hazy path]

the curved polynomial is both hard to understand and causes a real ovepowered reverse when underclocking

[gloomy palm]

it would take hours to find and collect them all, and you'd need some equipment unlocked to get to certain areas that you can't otherwise, you need to progress in the game before you can even come close to that many shards, by which point you'd have needed to build part way of your factory already

it's not unbalanced or unreasonable how many shards there are on the map, because simply you can't get that many in a short time after starting a fresh game

[vapid gorge]

It's a lot of work even doubling the amount of machines you want and it's not overpowered because you can have more power in the game to process all the resources overclockign everything. Power is not a bottleneck

[vapid gorge]

yeah but if you've gotten to the point where you need 1000 power shards.. you're at the point you can get all of them

[gloomy palm]

i would however be interested to find out as a personal challenge, how many shards could be collected as soon as you spawn into the world, and how long it would take to collect all the slugs

[hazy path]

but a linear line of x*1.5 is simple... for every extra % point you add on, you are going to need 1.5 times the additional power

[vapid gorge]

I mean I don't suggest exploring until probably mid game just cause it's dangerous w/o good equipment. Waste a lot of time

[gloomy palm]

in real life CPU overclocking, does the power increase linear to the clock speed percentage increase?

[hazy path]

so how much do you overclock right now? because me i will build an extra 2 or three machines and underclock

[gloomy palm]

right, but that is part of my original point of power shards not being too simple to collect early on

[hazy path]

in real life do doggos bring you nuclear waste?

[vapid gorge]

Oh I overclock everything I can.

[gloomy palm]

depends where you live

[vapid gorge]

It's so much better to build a big power station and then not care about power

[median heath]

So trivialize and make boring the later stages of the game so the earlier ones can be more forgiving?

[gloomy palm]

it could be said that a prospective player would have a better impression on the game if it's less challenging early on

it could also be argued that they should know what the game is like before buying it, but sadly that is not always the case

[median heath]

The only "challenge" early on is biomass.
Everything else is metered to you in stages so you learn.
Each stage builds on the previous and introduces you to concepts for the next.

[hazy path]

if you're not worried about power then why is clockspeed even an issue, surely them changing it won't affect you

[median heath]

Learning curve in the game is very well done.

[gloomy palm]

overclocking isn't even part of the early game is it

it gets unlocked later at some tier

[hazy path]

can be unlocked immediately through mam

[gloomy palm]

ohhh

[hazy path]

rods plates and wire

and the slugs to start off

[vapid gorge]

Because it's not a trade off like Sev said.
When looking at game mechanics if something is a No Brainer. Like something people would just choose because it's obviously the optimal choice it's bad game design. At that point either the mechanic should just be there for everyone on all the time OR shouldn't be included in the game.

[gloomy palm]

i was thinking about that also, what would happen if clock speeds were scrapped altogether

and they focused on recipe upgrades

[hazy path]

you'd have a nightmare balancing some of the production lines and have to deal with overflow

but thats a challenge anyway

[vapid gorge]

everyone would quit cause most factories would stop working

[median heath]

Recipe upgrades?

[gloomy palm]

interesting 🤔

like if there's a recipe tier 1, a recipe tier 2 of the same kind, it would be so many times more efficient at the same clock speed

at which point you could have levels of recipes instead of needing to deal with clocks at all

[vapid gorge]

most alt recipes aren't 'more efficient', they generally just give you choices.

They're exchanges

[gloomy palm]

yeah, that's how it is currently

but imagine that the recipes could be upgraded somehow

[vapid gorge]

And it's how it should be.
Again - if something is a no brainer mechanic and thus not a choice, it's probably bad game design

[median heath]

This sounds boring because you're not making choices, you're just upgrading and always doing the better thing....
Current recipes system is interesting because it involves trade-offs and choices.

[gloomy palm]

ahh, yeah it would become like other games which have huge tech trees/upgradables

[hazy path]

totally with you, but... i still think it's a fair consideration to simplify the calculation.
Original in blue,
linear x=y in green
linear y=x*1.5 in red

[median heath]

You got tired trying to plan a factory out and you're wanting a massive tech tree to have to read through?

[vapid gorge]

You've somehow found a topic both @median heath and I are agreeing with. This should tell you something

[median heath]

insert flexed arms meme here<

[gloomy palm]

🤣 yeah that's counterintuitive on my part, but it was just an idea of how it could be possible to rid of clocks entirely, but i can see it wouldn't be much better

[vapid gorge]

I mean sure, but the people who are going to care about actually calculating it rather than eyeballing it and just building more power will like that right?

[vapid gorge]

Like I do massive and complicated factories.

And I still just eyeball the power and just make sure to build more

It's a fair trade off

[hazy path]

yeah which is why a linear multiplier would be easy to eyeball it

[vapid gorge]

It's easy now. The trade off is I have to build more power.

[gloomy palm]

the total power usage graph is very helpful, because you know that if all your machines are working at the same time, you're gonna have or not have enough power

[hazy path]

far more than that S*(y/100)^1.6 stuff

[median heath]

Underclock - linear
Overclock - unchanged
Redo Generator UI to be more clear on what happens when you OC those.

^ Best solution imo.

[gloomy palm]

as snutt mentioned, with the linear overclocks, it would let you build bigger

[vapid gorge]

Nah it lets you build the same while building less power infrastructure. A bit different

[median heath]

^

[gloomy palm]

ahh

is that not a bonus 🤔

[hazy path]

anyway, i've said my piece and satisfied my math urges, not sure everyone will be happy whatever they choose...
I'm totally agreeing that making it a no-brainer kinda ruins clockspeeds a bit... and i believe there should be some trade off to overclocking, but i'm understanding the desire to simplify it so... will just wait and see what happens

[median heath]

If you make it linear there is never a reason to not overclock everything.
Which is boring and completely goes against the decision-based gameplay that exists everywhere else in Satisfactory.

[magic island]

I think it could be argued that the current overclocking curve is too harsh, but i wouldn't want to see it flattened without another way to make the tradeoff interesting

[vapid gorge]

It is but again the argument is - there should not be no brainer choices in games.
Like if you just want free power you can set your game to not need power using SCIM.

[gloomy palm]

no no brainer choices, interesting

[vapid gorge]

for example if I ever ran a 5e DnD game I would ban the Lucky talent. It's a no brainer. It's good for everyone and everything.

[gloomy palm]

i can't relate but i understand what you're trying to tell me

[vapid gorge]

Either everyone gets that talent from the start or it shouldn't exist

[boreal cypress]

Hi, i have 7,778 Machines with 100% (~466,68 items/min)
How many % do I need, when I want to build 20 machines with same items/min?

Im to dumb to calculate it

[gloomy palm]

for example, the update might help a problem such as this ^

[vapid gorge]

lol I'm not sure that's a proper question XD

[tropic hawk]

No. Every race has its own benefits. Some are better than others, but that's the price you pay.

[median heath]

This update would not help him word that properly, sorry.

[magic island]

I think there's also interesting things they could do with other ways to overclock. what if there was a late-game building with a large number of shard slots that could overclock a (limited) grid?

[tropic hawk]

You would need more than 20.

[vapid gorge]

yeah but the Lucky talent, specifically, is just good for everything.

[tropic hawk]

Heheheh

[boreal cypress]

why?

[median heath]

Fair.

[vapid gorge]

sorry miss reply

[tropic hawk]

7k machines to 20?

[boreal cypress]

oh... I use , instead of . for comma

[tropic hawk]

Ah.

[vapid gorge]

Yeah but I'm talking about the Lucky talent. It's just good for everything and everyone. It's a no brainer choice to have

[tropic hawk]

You mean the feat? You only get 3 uses per long rest, and it's fairly balanced unless your GM is an idiot

[vapid gorge]

3 rerolls per long rest? That's amazing. It also gives you essentially a Super Advantage roll.

If you roll at disadvantage the Lucky Feat allows you to roll 1 extra d20 and then pick from any that you've rolled. So disadvantage turns into roll 3d20 and pick the best

[tropic hawk]

777.8%/20= clock speed

[tropic hawk]

Let's take this to DMs

[boreal cypress]

ahh thx <3

[gloomy palm]

basically you're all saying that linear overclocking is OP

[median heath]

Yes.

[gloomy palm]

okay

[tropic hawk]

Yes

[median heath]

Unless they remove shards from the doggo loot table.

[vapid gorge]

No op, just a bad game mechanic because it kinda removes choice.

[gloomy palm]

does that happen often enough for it to be an issue

[median heath]

Doesn't matter. The fact that shards are effectively infinite is what makes linear power OP.

[gloomy palm]

ahhh

you mean theoretically infinite

[vapid gorge]

I'm heading to bed as it's 2 am but send a reply and I can get to it tomorrow

[median heath]

No, literally. It's just a factor of time.

[gloomy palm]

ahh

[oblique hollow]

unlimited if you have unlimited time.
mortally limited of course

[gloomy palm]

but maybe the devs are considering whether that should be one of the choices that needs to be there at all

[oblique hollow]

but that doesnt change the fact that their existance diminishes the rewards that is finding slugs while exploring

[median heath]

Make linear and remove shards from loot table
or
Keep as it is, just tweak generator UI and nerf underclocking

Those are the 2 "balanced" options.

[oblique hollow]

and shards SHOULD be rewards. so overclocking should be a reward too

[gloomy palm]

just because something can be a choice doesn't mean it needs to be for the game to be playable/more fun

[thorn bane]

it diminishes it but since only very few people make doggo farms it doesnt diminish it at a meaningfull factor

[median heath]

Yes, that's why HOR remains unnerfed.

[oblique hollow]

honestly doggo slug farms are too niche. i dont care one bit about people who would be affected by doggos no longer making shards

[gloomy palm]

for example, is it a no-brainer that Nuclear Power is the most efficient power production building in the game

[oblique hollow]

oh if only people would think that

Yet here are the Turbofuel fanboys and girls

or diluted fuel

[median heath]

It's MW-efficient, but doing a large Diluted Fuel setup is more than enough power and much, much simpler.

So even in that regard, player choice remains.

[gloomy palm]

hmm

[median heath]

You're trading MW-efficiency for Setup Complexity.

[gloomy palm]

oh i see

[median heath]

This is why I hate the idea of linear power.

[oblique hollow]

i think turbofuel should cost more sulfur
so you pay with sulfur to not have to use nuclear

[median heath]

Because everything in the game is a tradeoff.

[thorn bane]

fuel to nuclear is like coal to fuel
more complicated but better

[gloomy palm]

i went from coal to nuclear

[oblique hollow]

good. no fuel

[median heath]

#BiomassTillNuclear

[gloomy palm]

lmao

[median heath]

And I don't mean biogens 😏

[gloomy palm]

OwO

[median heath]

T1-2: Biogens
T3-4: Coal Gens fed by Biocoal
T5-6: Fuel Gens fed by Liquid BF

#BiomassTillNuclear

😉

[gloomy palm]

i dont know how i managed, but i never needed fuel generators even once

[median heath]

BioNuclearRods when?

[tropic hawk]

[TARGET ACQUIRED]

[gloomy palm]

in fact i ask myself the question

why would anyone use fuel generators

[oblique hollow]

turbo heavy biocoal fuel when?

[thorn bane]

because nuclear is too complex for them

[gloomy palm]

a

[median heath]

Because they are good.
And not everyone does nuclear-sized coal setups.

[oblique hollow]

people are insane and like building 500 fuel gens

[tropic hawk]

Or they haven't unlocked it yet

[gloomy palm]

indeed, i needed two train lines to get nuclear working

[median heath]

🤫

[oblique hollow]

ah right, dont want to anger the lunatics

[median heath]

And it was 532.

[oblique hollow]

FOUND ANOTHER ONE

[gloomy palm]

lomao

[median heath]

Because I made enough Turbo for 534 and you always overproduce liquids. 😛

[oblique hollow]

you will now go in my book of insane people. and not the good type of insane

[tropic hawk]

I like my TF blend and Diluted fuel facility thank you very much. I need SOMETHING to jumpstart my 252 reactor plant

[median heath]

I learned a lot doing that setup though, and it made me better at simpler ones.

[gloomy palm]

honestly, nuclear power seems like the end-all-be-all power solution until you actually build it

[median heath]

My nuclear is all housed in a cave 🙂

[gloomy palm]

because then you realize that if you dont have backup power, your nukes can go down due to bad planning or some supply chain mistake, and then you have no way to kickstart everything

[oblique hollow]

thats fine, but in my books you still are insane

[tropic hawk]

It's actually incredibly simple and cheap compared to nuclear. However it only yields about 5 reactors worth

[oblique hollow]

thats why im a nuclear advocate

reason why most people fail nuclear: no stable steel production or something

[thorn bane]

its fine if nuclear is too complex for you
its even fine if fuel is too complex and you stay at coal
hell most people find biomass burners complicated

[median heath]

Running nuke setups off Geothermal so it never runs out is de wae.

[gloomy palm]

so in effect, you actually need an alternative power generation service to power the machines that are needed to build fuel rods for your nukes.. the nukes can't even run themselves which means that they are actually like credit cards.. you can expand your upper spending limit.. but if you dont have enough money in the bank to cover your debt, you can't keep it up

[median heath]

Though desynced Geothermal was such a bad change...

[oblique hollow]

and so do refineries. you pay for power with power

[thorn bane]

and thats why we have power storages 🙂

[oblique hollow]

i had to jumpstart a grid with diluted fuel refineries once. fun times

[gloomy palm]

it's very risky tho, because as soon as you add more machines than your backup power generation source, it means that your grid will go down terminally until you unplug stuff

[oblique hollow]

power in a nutshell

[gloomy palm]

😭

[oblique hollow]

"Woops you failed to keep an eye on it, have fun :)"

[thorn bane]

but the machines only work until their internal buffer is full which isnt much energy consumed

[median heath]

Remember when gens didn't always produce their full amounts 😉

[gloomy palm]

i had initially believed i could destroy my coal plant in favor of nuclear power, as a logical next-step.. only to realize i needed both running at all times 🤣 it just doesn't seem right

[oblique hollow]

"Power outages are hilarious as long as they don't happen to me"

^ me, shortly before my power failed

[thorn bane]

i still have my 30 biomass burners connected to my grid eventhough i have 100 nukes xD

i dont think ive had a power outage (not biomass) in 300 in game hours

[gloomy palm]

i had two power outages unexpectedly while i was in nuclear.. i couldn't go near the area because nuclear waste backed up

[thorn bane]

i had waste back up aswell but my power storages alarmed me at 20% and i fixed it intime

[gloomy palm]

the problem the first time was an accident with removing a pipe support without realizing that the two pipes being supported were actually not connected anymore

the other time it happened was i deleted one (1) power cable somewhere in the middle of nowhere

only to realize i had accidentally disconnected an entire aluminium mini factory

[oblique hollow]

heh

funneeee

[tropic hawk]

Best plan is to plan for the fact you screwed something up

[gloomy palm]

i realized after that, there should always be two different power pole paths to the same place so that if you disconnect one side, it will still be connected to the other

[oblique hollow]

Step one: Accept your failure

[tropic hawk]

I have walkways, iodine filter production leading to an ISC outside radiation zone, hazmat suit part production, power cables for hoverpack and train lines for pioneer trains only

[median heath]

Me if they make power linear.

[gloomy palm]

F

[oblique hollow]

Step one: Accept your failure

[gloomy palm]

🤣

[median heath]

It would be accepting THEIR failure.

[gloomy palm]

ameno

[median heath]

I don't want them to fail though.

[oblique hollow]

Step two: accept that CSS is inevitable and likes to meme on us

[median heath]

I want them to keep the decision-based, tradeoff-driven gameplay consistent.

[oblique hollow]

"remove doggo slug farms AND make OC linear to make the game easier and exploration more rewarding? Aw hell yea"

• Director Mark, probably

[median heath]

After which he redoes poggers into ratio splitters 😛

[magic island]

ime the most important thing with nuclear is that the nuclear plant gets exclusive/primary access to all the nodes it uses. first dibs on every unit of ore. nothing else in the factory is allowed to take a bite out of the nuke's supplies

[median heath]

Wait you share nodes?

[tropic hawk]

He is uneducated or has odd use cases

[thorn bane]

my computers and ai limiters both take quickwire before my nuclear rods

[magic island]

I have a central smeltery/foundry that rounds up ore from all over and makes allllll the ingots for most purposes. except nuclear. nuclear plant has its own nodes

[oblique hollow]

all my nodes share one map anyway

[median heath]

Outposts are de wae.

[oblique hollow]

they are already communists

[median heath]

Only centralized thing should be storage.

🙂

[thorn bane]

*your factory

🙂

[oblique hollow]

Outposts vs Central factories is basically Socialists vs Capitalists

[median heath]

*My non-yellow-lighted perfection

🙂

❤️

[thorn bane]

its OUR factory

[oblique hollow]

SatisfactOURy

[gloomy palm]

in my previous factory, i decided it might be a good idea to collect every resource from every node and bring them to a central location to be "processed" ... i then realized this was horribly ineffective because of the distance to far away nodes from the collection facility

[oblique hollow]

im not yet sure which political ideology is analogous to Nuclear vs Fuel power

[magic island]

I like building a central space where I spend most of my time and which is pleasant to run around in. Anything I build as an outpost isn't gonna get visited much, and that's a sad thing

[oblique hollow]

i run around between my outposts all the time

i dont mind it and like finding fun new ways to get to them

recent innovation: Cyberwagon Airlines

[thorn bane]

i hate running to far outposts

[oblique hollow]

yeet yourself to outposts

[thorn bane]

because i forgot 100 wire or something

[magic island]

I would 100% do more outpost-style building if I had networked storage for when i run out of some item, haha

i guess once you're swimming in tickets you can use the awesome shop for that, but buying customizations/architecture is first priority

My setup is basically always:
-Central smeltery (built on top of iron/copper, bring coal in for steel)
-Oil hub
-Nuke plant

and those are the three places I spend most of my time and build production off of.

Caterium I do smelting outposts because it transports better as ingots. Aluminum is kinda a wildcard depending on the map region my save is using.

[median heath]

Produce on-site what is needed on-site.
Ship final product where needed and excess to storage.

@oblique hollow did you see the beautiful IFB stacks in #screenshots?

[oblique hollow]

i did now

i L O V E it

[median heath]

Hehe

Even I didn't do that for Turbo Towers..

[carmine wigeon]

There's no fluid overflow that doesn't rely on height, correct?

[median heath]

Correct.

[carmine wigeon]

Damnit. I need to re-design, or do this mess:

[median heath]

Yeah... that looks like you didn't plan beforehand tbh.

[carmine wigeon]

Hahah, that's funny.

You wouldn't say that if you saw my base so far

[median heath]

This part clearly wasn't 🙃

[carmine wigeon]

The fluid buffer on loading issue is something I'm fixing retro-actively. But one of my pipes goes up another floor

So I can't just overflow it at source with the rest

[mystic nexus]

ok i am thoroughly sick of refineries already

fully overclocked btw and this is just for max nuclear chain

[median heath]

Later game does entirely get taken over by refineries. 😭

[mystic nexus]

yeah wish there was a dedicated ore washing machine or something that was smaller

for the pure recipes

and like thats about 100 assemblers just for cheap silica for aluminium and a couple of other bits and pieces.

[oblique hollow]

dont use pure

[mystic nexus]

ah yes i love wasting resources :^)

[median heath]

Use Pure Aluminium.
No Refineries 😉

[burnt wraith]

I mean unless you have a miner on every ore node, you're already wasting all those resources

[oblique hollow]

waste resources or waste power and water and space to get pure

pick your poison

[median heath]

Diluted Water is not wasted.

[burnt wraith]

lmao

we need a purified water recipe

[maiden marsh]

ok so just made this, does the math look ok?

[mystic nexus]

Yeah don’t have a miner on every resource node yet but I plan to eventually

Future proofing yknow

But yeah refineries definitely are very space consuming, it’s gonna make my life hell when I have to do everything else. Good to mindlessly grind away on I guess but so often I forget the numbers and need to recalculate

[thorn bane]

@oblique hollow @burnt wraith @maiden marsh
lets do some actual math
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diophantine_equation
"The simplest linear Diophantine equation takes the form ax + by = c, where a, b and c are given integers."
in our case 50 * x+37.5 * b=300 but 37.5 isnt a whole number so lets do 100 * x+75 * b=600.
"This Diophantine equation has a solution (where x and y are integers) if and only if c is a multiple of the greatest common divisor of a and b"
gcd(100,75)=25 is a multiple of 600 so checks out
"Moreover, if (x, y) is a solution, then the other solutions have the form (x + kv, y − ku), where k is an arbitrary integer, and u and v are the quotients of a and b (respectively) by the greatest common divisor of a and b."
so we need one particular solution first which we can guess as 100 * 6+0 so x=6, y=0
u is the quotient of a by the gcd so 100/25 = 4 and v=75/25=3
now the other solutions have the form (6+kv, 0-ku) we want positive solutions (6-kv,0+ku)
plug in our u and v for (6-3k, 4k)
lets plug in 0,1 and 2 for (6,0), (3,4), (0,8)
and just to confirm 6 * 50=300, 3 * 50+4 * 37.5=150+150=300, 8 * 37.5=300

[maiden marsh]

working my way through that lol, hang tight

[oblique hollow]

thank you archimedes, now lets get you back to the old people home

[maiden marsh]

ok, you lost me a couple times in that, but i was able to eventually make it to the bottom

[thorn bane]

honestly dont need to understand it thats just what wolframalpha does for you when you ask it to calculate it for you xD

[maiden marsh]

so now that ive seen how the math works, using the calc should be as easy as understanding the first equation yeah?

[thorn bane]

yep you just ask it to solve a * 37.5+b * 50=300 for you and it spits out answers

[maiden marsh]

gonna get real complicated here in a bit when i do this for the coal + Iron = Steel. May need help figuring out the equation for that one but i'll let ya know. Thank you for helping me with this one 🙂

[median heath]

Iron + Coal = Steel is either:

Base: 1+1=1
or
Solid: 1+1=1.5

[maiden marsh]

well its gonna be 980 coal per minute vs whatever iron ingots per minute + conveyer capacity so 2x belts for the 2x miners, and then the hard part, where i figure out how many foundry / constructors i need to set up to make the various types of steel.

i haven't gone to look at the math for that yet, so don't know the base numbers.

[median heath]

It's going to be "whichever you have less of" per minute.
So if you have 980 of both you're good. Otherwise it will be whichever number is lower.

[maiden marsh]

then id assume you would split the leftover of the higher of the two into an awesome sink?

or would it be better to split the overflow of the higher one into a constructor to make a product that then spits into awesomesink?

[thorn bane]

i personally just let the belts fill up

[proven prawn]

How I like my belts nice and full 🙂

[whole dagger]

Am I missing something? How would linear underclocking work? How is a machine underclocked to 25% any different than a normally clocked machine running 25% of the time?

[maiden marsh]

so problem. 2 smelters go into 3 copper sheet constructors, 1:1, that works. But then the whole thing messes up. Because then i still have 2 smelters left = 150 ingots per minute. but the remaining 1 copper sheet (50) and 3 copper wire (37.5*3) does not = 150

[thorn bane]

its 3 copper sheet and 4 wire

2 smelters -> 3 copper sheet
2 smelters -> 4 wire constructors

[maiden marsh]

shit ok, so 1 smelter per 2 wire

cool i had that backwards, math works now

im so grateful you exist and are breathing and typing. thank you lol

[upbeat tide]

Any ideas? About to make 1200 fuel but only need 200 of it for the project that spurred its production. Will probably just burn it tbh or maybe make a small recycled loop with the rest unsure

[oblique hollow]

you dont have the power spikes and the machine doesnt idles. and the idle is actually important as that slows down your machine a lot

a single idle can transform a production time of 5 at 100% to one of 10 seconds.

[thorn bane]

well for power you have power storages
for idle it doesnt matter since it will just consume the build up stuff

[oblique hollow]

reducing your throughput for all your machines, even though they would work if you clocked them down

[whole dagger]

yeah, I can definitely see the the benefits with regards to power spikes. Also helps with manifolds as they wouldn't take as long to backup.

But didn't realize there was a penalty for idling

[thorn bane]

i just see it as underclocking has no benefit other than power so i just dont spend time on it

[oblique hollow]

power wise, there would be no difference technically, but the idle penalty is definitely something to consider

[whole dagger]

Is that an implementation artifact? Like they only check for idle every 2 seconds or something?

[thorn bane]

what do you mean with idle penalty
it produces the same amount of items/min

[oblique hollow]

no they actively have a variable that tells each machine how much idle time they have. so thats intended

they actively dont want to work for x seconds after you fail to either feed them enough or dont empty them fast enough

[thorn bane]

idle time only means 10s sleep 10s production 10s sleep 10s production instead of 0.1 production 0.1 sleep etc.

end result is the same 5/s

[oblique hollow]

rather 0.1 production 5 sleep

if you have a recipe that takes 0.1 seconds per cycle, but the machine has a idle time of five, you now have 5.1 seconds production time total, technically

if you dont feed it parts fast enough

and no, idle time is not scaled with clock speed

its fixed

[whole dagger]

this seems like strange and unintuitive behavior

[oblique hollow]

so there is a big penalty for having machines at high clock speed idle

[thorn bane]

its really not and is really not an issue at all

[oblique hollow]

i assume its meant for them so they can catch up with the items

but also doubles as a penalty for being inefficient

[thorn bane]

but its not a penalty....

[oblique hollow]

it is. it increases your production time compared to if you clocked it correctly

[thorn bane]

but the amount of items/s is the same

its just bigger batches

[oblique hollow]

im talking about idling machines. i did tests with this

if you feed a machine that needs 50/min only 25/min, you do NOT get 50% efficiency

[thorn bane]

yes you do?

over time just not instantly

[whole dagger]

Yeah, I don't really understand how penalty comes in when amortized over longer periods

When idling, it is accumulating more resources such that it idles less in the future

[oblique hollow]

it depends on production time a bit.
a very short production time can be devastating for production. let me see if i can set up an easy test

[whole dagger]

So maybe it can do 10 batches, then long idle

[oblique hollow]

possibly

[thorn bane]

no always since machines have buffers

my whole factory is at 100% speed
also thats how it works in every other factory game

[oblique hollow]

lemme make a test...

[whole dagger]

I could see there being weird corner cases based on implementation details. I've noticed machines don't always realize they have enough ingredients immediately. So perhaps with specific timings things could be worse. But I'd be surprised if it could cause a huge difference

And if it does, I would definitely call that unintuitive. Idle time isn't listed anywhere in game, right?

[oblique hollow]

no

fun fact: constructors have 0 idle time

[thorn bane]

xd

[oblique hollow]

refinery has 5 seconds idle time

i forgot that my condition only applies if the idle is for some reason applied to every cycle.

rather than losing productivity, your output is now irregular enough to cause other machines to possibly idle

[thorn bane]

well no cause machines have buffers

and the idle is 5s not 5min

in 5s you make <5 items

also even if machines didnt have buffers then the belts would be enough of a buffer

[oblique hollow]

dont forget machines work with seconds per cycle

and this is possibly an idle time applied every cycle

[unkempt acorn]

Does the game still have that bug with mk 2 pipes, where you cant input 600 per min constantly?

[radiant warren]

Sure seems that way

[median heath]

Yes.

[unkempt acorn]

Ah, that's good to know... dont want a repeat of last time where i built a mega fuel factory and only switching on the power, to find the bug...

[tropic hawk]

I always cap it at 500 I/min for my mk II pipes

[wind spade]

I could just tell you these times if you asked lol

[wind spade]

500 l / min is so little, I assume you mean 500 m3?

[visual grail]

i have 20 manifolds reliably carrying 588 fuel/min. one of these days i'll play with clock speeds on the last generator to see just how close to 600 I can get

actually just checked and one of them has been carrying 597.12 Fuel/min for hours with no issues yet

[rose nexus]

Question, has anyone done the calculation for raw inputs in a full 252 reactor nuclear setup?

I've done them for the actual rods and full recycling w/ plutonium, but just wondering if anyone has the actual node numbers besides the 2100 uranium

[visual grail]

Your mileage may vary depending on which alt recipes you use

that includes processing uranium waste into plutonium rods

[rose nexus]

ah, i forgot to include those alt recipes; is this with no alts? or is it using the better encased recipe etc etc

lookin like quartz is quite low, but that could be from cheap silica

[visual grail]

you need some alt recipes in order to get enough uranium fuel rods for 252 reactors

quartz is used for cheap silica and pure quartz crystal

[rose nexus]

thats also true, my calcs are quite messy since the calc im using doesn't really do a good job of quantifying everything. im guessing for a max setup, the default uranium rod is the best, because of the uranium cell consumption? ofc using the Infused Uranium Cell alt recipe if possible

[visual grail]

you must use infused uranium cell and uranium fuel unit recipes if you want to get 50.4 Uranium Fuel rods/min

[rose nexus]

gotcha, im assuming thats what the screenshot you sent details

thanks for your help 😄

[shell geyser]

hey

so im making a rotor set up

and im struggling to figure out the ratio of iron rod contrusters to screw constructers

[stark bronze]

nothing confusing about 6:5

[fierce cypress]

@shell geyser 2.5 screw constructors for 3 iron rod constructors

or 6:5 yea

[shell geyser]

i have 1 mk1 miner making 120 ore a min

4 smelters

8 constructers

idk how to divide with that ratio into 8 buildings

[cinder silo]

Unless you're serious about trying to setup 8 buildings instead of one, for that limited number of machines, you would have to do have 8 smelters , 16 constructors, and all underclocked by 50%, provided I even understood your question/query properly.

[shell geyser]

im just trying to make rotors at the max effiency

[gentle berry]

Wouldn’t it be 4.5? 3 at 100% produces 45 rods pm and screws at 100% needs 10 rods pm

Oh wait you’re talking about making rotors aren’t you

[tropic hawk]

Yes

[tropic hawk]

Reasonably up to 512 is stable due to how binary works, but past that is when it gets iffy (if I understand the bugs origins correctly)

[maiden marsh]

i wanna uninstall

just spent 15 hours building a massive 24 assembler factory to turn sulfer and coal into compacted coal, to get more efficiency when making steel. Only to finish the factory, and find out that you can't use compacted coal to make steel.

F in chat for my first major non spaghetti build

[sinful rover]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Hard_Drive

[slow spire]

I will just say that he can if he finds the alternate receipe « Compacted Steel Ingot » 😉

[grave cobalt]

Hello, i'm preparing my nuclear setup and found numbers that are itching me a bit.
I'm trying to have a fair amount of power while getting a max output of plutonium rod. That leaves me with the alt recipies (both rods units, fertile uranium, infused uranium cells).

It makes those setup:

• (1) 300K kW / 24 U-Rods / 1200 wastes / 18 P-Rods / 76% Uranium consumption
• (2) 400K kW / 32 U-Rods / 1600 wastes / 24 P-Rods / 101% Uranium consumption

(1) has fairly good numbers but (2) would have been perfect if it didn't consumed just over the limit. Is there a easy way around that ?

The setup: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=ugpCl9ItP3H3eLnKD2pr

[wind spade]

It's not related to binary

[maiden marsh]

the giga dr clea factory

[oblique hollow]

go find some hard drives