math-and-meta

[oblique hollow]

5m³ * 800 = 4000m³ MINIMUM gone upon loading the save

thats igonring the refineries and blenders

[muted crypt]

fairly certain this was exactly what the save consisted of, so

[oblique hollow]

satis tools makes that seem SOOO easy and nice

[visual grail]

my pipeline that brings 450 oil from the impure well and 150 oil from one of the blue crater impure nodes (all OC'd to 250%) is struggling with throughput but the others pipelines from blue crater seem to do fine. piped it all to the Islands

[muted crypt]

but then the game's pipe wonkiness makes it hell?

[oblique hollow]

thats 600. thats troublesome

[oblique hollow]

ye. all the issues

and the fact that pipes are slow. also the 50m³ per gen you need to fill

its all soooooo much waiting

[muted crypt]

also I see why there were issues ultimately with each load

[oblique hollow]

i remember waiting like 30 mins together with you until things seems to stabilize

[muted crypt]

the 5 cubic meter thing applying to every gen

[oblique hollow]

every machine

[muted crypt]

totals out to more turbofuel than I'm producing, lol

well no that's just the generators themselves I'm not even talking about the others

[visual grail]

i know, but other 7 600 lines of crude i ran seem to work fine

[oblique hollow]

yeah. it absolutely wrecks your setup

[muted crypt]

what I find awkward is I don't want to trickle down slowly in terms of machines at each step

just to compensate for the 5 missing per machine

[oblique hollow]

if that issue didnt exist, these things would be a bit more easy to handle

i dont even care about the throughput issues

[muted crypt]

right

[oblique hollow]

or all the other stuff. that loading bug is the worst thing

[muted crypt]

so if I had cut off like

[oblique hollow]

1 row

[muted crypt]

25% of the generators, maybe

Would that have helped mitigate the issue?

or, at least, a large part of it

[oblique hollow]

id have turned off 1 row of the like.... 8? and used buffers at the end of each line. plus loops

i remember the funny thing where the fluid ran in circles and actually got faster and faster

[muted crypt]

it was set up in four 2x100 arrays

do you mean turn off the first one on both sides in each array?

[oblique hollow]

one side

[muted crypt]

well I mean like

[oblique hollow]

thats 100 gens

[muted crypt]

ohh

okay I see what you mean now

[trim remnant]

which channel would be best to put research of the conveyor lift height glitch?

[muted crypt]

probably here

[oblique hollow]

500 m³ not deleted plus 450m³/min extra reserved

[visual grail]

has CSS acknowledged issues with fluids anywhere? all i've seen is references to snutt saying players dont understand pipes but i cant even confirm the truth of that

[oblique hollow]

that seeeeesm to maybe work

[oblique hollow]

yea, on the streams. they are aware

[muted crypt]

Update 6: we are removing pipes lol

[wind spade]

back to oil barrels on belts

[visual grail]

well at least there's hope they'll address it then

[oblique hollow]

wooop woop U2 Oil

back to kilometers of oil belts. and no trains

[trim remnant]

well i guess this is here for those you wanted to see
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/u28h20/conveyor_height_glitch_research/

[carmine wigeon]

Eh, with a bit of creativity you get around the issues. It's very rewarding

[carmine wigeon]

God that guy wobbles his camera waaaaay too much

[visual grail]

there's some truth to that, but its kinda like a recipe giving you an inaccurate ratio of materials... i don't really care much what the capacity of a pipe/belt is. All i ask for is an accurate tooltip

[carmine wigeon]

Well early access, they do warn you 🙂

[muted crypt]

so since I am at work I can't actually listen to this, what is being said?

I don't even entirely know what this "glitch" is admittedly

[carmine wigeon]

Basically showing how you can make super long belt lifts by using floor holes

[muted crypt]

oh, right

saw Kibitz talking about that in a recent video, I think

[carmine wigeon]

Yeah it references that at the beginning

[muted crypt]

ah

[muted crypt]

honestly if anything at least the save was informative lol

like yeah it was a dumpster fire but you had a lot of things to work with to figure out a more specific reason for why it was a dumpster fire

[oblique hollow]

yeah it was an informative trainwreck

[muted crypt]

yay? but also fuck

[oblique hollow]

it still took some time (like... 2 months?) ontil we finally worked out that loading bug issue existed.

[carmine wigeon]

That video basically says if you "finish" the lift into a floor hole you can make it as long as you want

[muted crypt]

I see

[carmine wigeon]

You can start it at a factory or IS if you like

[muted crypt]

neat

[carmine wigeon]

Also, PSA, setting your train station platforms to unload is helpful

[trim remnant]

also if you have the micromanager mod, you can make a infinite belt as well

@muted crypt

[muted crypt]

I don't use mods but I do appreciate the tip there

I have t4 milestones finished in my save so since I'm at work it's time to do anything but work and plan out upgrades

[visual grail]

🤔 I wonder at what point (if ever) trains become a better solution than pumps for raising fluid elevation

[wind spade]

package -> lift -> unpackage

[trim remnant]

@visual grail WIth the water tower method, i don't think that would ever really happen

[wind spade]

water tower is so cheaty tho

[muted crypt]

man I am out of the loop

what is this water tower method

[wind spade]

abusing that a pipeline shares headlift

[muted crypt]

🤔

[wind spade]

e.g. if you put a water extractor high up and then tons of other extractors way down and connect them with the pipe, the water from bottom ones will have the top one's headlift

[muted crypt]

..mfw

[carmine wigeon]

How would you put a water extractor high up? Like in one of the inland lakes?

[trim remnant]

doesnt need to be a water extractor

[wind spade]

or river or osmething, yeah

but works for any building, was just an example

[carmine wigeon]

You could probably just put a pump somewhere high up too

[trim remnant]

just had to be any source of water, IE just pump one pipe up and connect it to all the rest, and the rest will work as well

[carmine wigeon]

I think that is why my diagram i posted earlier in questions-and-help is going to work too

Hadn't expected it to, but with game logic it does

[trim remnant]

doesnt even look like my reddit post is up lol

0 interactions still

[muted crypt]

I wish I remembered what alts I had >.>

can't check until tonight after work

why must the grass fields be so awkward to build in

[carmine wigeon]

if you search for a material in the codec it will only show the alt recipes you've unlocked

[muted crypt]

can't check until tonight after work

[carmine wigeon]

Oh right, assumed you just didn't have the opportunity to upload a save somewhere to check 😛

[muted crypt]

yeah I don't use my laptop to play otherwise I'd have the save here and easily accessible tbh

I wanna rebuild for mk2 miners on everything, since I got those unlocked before I left the house, but to do so reliably I'd need to expand steel infrastructure

and everything is so annoyingly spaced out

I am specifically trying to avoid building a hub factory of sorts where everything is brought to one place but I may have to do that

[visual grail]

Its convenient to have everything in one place but it does hurt performance

[muted crypt]

right, even if it's just a t1-t4 factory

[visual grail]

and some just prefer the aesthetic of several smaller factories all over the map

[muted crypt]

my main question right now is how much of this I even want to use

like do I want to get EVERYTHING in the grass fields? probably not, no, but I could if I was willing to stunt overall progression for the sake of bursty production

I also know these factories won't be permanent so I'm not putting massive detail into them yet

[visual grail]

I'm undecided how much detail i'll ever add cuz more objects = less FPS

[muted crypt]

I am slowly saving money to upgrade some of my more significant parts in my PC

[cerulean rose]

I've just been in "production is fine until it isn't" mode up till now. Currently building a megafactory on the lake above the waterfalls

[visual grail]

my next project after this 150GW fuel plant will be a 630 GW nuclear plant

[muted crypt]

neat

thinking this -
left side of blue line: steel beam, steel pipe, stator, encased industrial beam
right side of blue line: motor, versatile framework, automated wiring

I'm not stupid and missing anything, am I?

[visual grail]

looks like you should have all the materials you need. the scale you build at would determine if the quantitiy is enough

[muted crypt]

I'll probably just plan to use these amounts of resources at most, tbh

mk2 miners should be enough to provide anything I need for earlier levels of production

[visual grail]

something just occurred to me about pipes... probably a long shot but has anyone tried building a manifold entirely of mk2 pipes to see if it performs any different? I mean, i normally fun a mk1 from the junction to the machine... if that small pipe was mk2 would it make a difference? I know it shouldn't but with the already odd fluid behavior I wonder if it would make a difference.

[muted crypt]

generally speaking from my experience mixing mk1 and mk2 pipes in the same system is worse than splitting into different belt tiers

[visual grail]

interesting... even though i kinda want to just resign myself to running 49 gens per line, the urge to test and troubleshoot keeps nagging at me

[cerulean rose]

Busybody confirmed lol

I'm a design engineer. Validation is for other people

[muted crypt]

lol

[visual grail]

I just like to tinker with things until I understand how and why they work... pipe systems in Satisfactory keep grabbing my attention

[visual grail]

anyone know if FPS impacts fluid flow like it does belts?

[velvet jasper]

Quick question about train lines.

I have 6 600 belts of quartz coming into a train station. Do I put both belts into an industrial container before they both feed 3 total platforms or do I give each belt it’s own platform

[oblique hollow]

up tonyou how you wanna do the train thing

[oblique hollow]

supposedly, but im not sure

[frosty owl]

I think the effect is very similar. Worse mechanics overall the worse FPS get (more sloshing, more flow issues etc)

[visual grail]

Giving each belt its own platform can improve throughput if add more freight cars and have a longer distance to travel

[velvet jasper]

They aren’t travelling that far, Idk honestly

I just want to make sure my factory stays turned on

[visual grail]

Only way to know for sure is to test it. If you're getting the throughput you want, splitting it among more platforms and more freight cars would likely help. Or you could add another train.

[velvet jasper]

I’ve tested the throughout, the train can move about 1459 items/per car/per minute

I just need a way to make sure the factory it’s feeding stays on during the unloading animations

[tropic hawk]

Double feed an ISC from the station

[velvet jasper]

Ik, but I need a double output from the isc

I’m thinking some sort of smart splitter design

[versed violet]

Exploit the pure nodes, consider normal nodes, ignore impures. Then move to new area.

[wind spade]

I'd say use any you need, no matter the purity

[gentle berry]

I’ll be having 360 iron ingots pm coming in for reinforced plate production and what I’ve calculated is using 270 said ingots to make 180 plates pm and the remaining 90 to make 360 screws. Does all that add up?

[oblique hollow]

yup

[gentle berry]

K thanks

||wow only 30 r plates pm||

[cerulean rose]

more advanced parts take longer

[oblique hollow]

and need reinforced iron plates too

[gentle berry]

And are more expensive

[velvet jasper]

And if you have the alternates you can further optimise it

[oblique hollow]

hah, you call that optimised

[velvet jasper]

I’m assuming he doesn’t have refineries yet

And this only uses iron as well

[cerulean rose]

"you call that a knoife? THIS is a knoife!"

[velvet jasper]

Because with 360 iron, 900 coal, 360 copper, 3375 oil, and 1350 water you can produce 2700 reinforced iron plates per minute

That’s the most iron efficient

[gentle berry]

But there’s decimal numbers. Am I supposed to be rounding?

If I even had alt recipes

[velvet jasper]

Underclock

[gentle berry]

Nope. Just smelters constructors and assemblers

[velvet jasper]

And this also needs 25 gigawatts lmao

[gentle berry]

Soon foundries

[oblique hollow]

[velvet jasper]

Just do some alternate hunting, cast screws are a godsend

[cerulean rose]

cast screws, my beloed

[velvet jasper]

Wrong

[oblique hollow]

yes

peak reinforced

[velvet jasper]

Wait, I need to see what the max amount you can make is

77 thousand

[oblique hollow]

funny

thats more that there is iron on the map

[velvet jasper]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=Y1ySySu9J2IMUWyXEBFO

It needs more power than is possible

[oblique hollow]

uses all the sulfur, coal, iron, oil, copper and caterium on the map

[cerulean rose]

yeah but think of the coupons

[oblique hollow]

a funny 589 Gigawatts

thats nothing considering you can have terrawatts of power

[velvet jasper]

Yeah but can you do that with no sulfur or oil

I think not

[oblique hollow]

hmm....

biomass

[gentle berry]

Nuclear?

[velvet jasper]

20 thousand biomass burners

[velvet jasper]

You need sulfur

[gentle berry]

Oh ok

[cerulean rose]

is solar ever coming down the pipe for us?

[gentle berry]

Geothermal?

[oblique hollow]

nope

geo is free

[velvet jasper]

4 gigawatts is what you get with geothermal

You need 598

[oblique hollow]

if you disable compacted steel, the max stays roughly the same

[gentle berry]

Only 150 geothermal generators

[velvet jasper]

I love how this started from @gentle berry just wanting some mk2 belts

[gentle berry]

I’ll probably be going straight to mk 3

[velvet jasper]

What else can we completely overproduce

[gentle berry]

From mk 1

[oblique hollow]

cable

[gentle berry]

nuclear waste

[velvet jasper]

Alright let’s see

[gentle berry]

Wires

[oblique hollow]

nah wires isnt that complicated

cable is where its at

[velvet jasper]

Let’s do nobelisks

[oblique hollow]

screws

[gentle berry]

Yeah but 1 copper ingot equals 1 cable. 1 copper ingot equals 2 wire.

[velvet jasper]

3784 nobelisks

[oblique hollow]

thats without alts

you can make cable without copper

[velvet jasper]

1938730 screws per minute

[oblique hollow]

cool, almost 2 mil xd

cable is 373355

[muted crypt]

Good morning math nerds

[gentle berry]

Supercomputers

[velvet jasper]

Kibz needs to build this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=Y1ySySu9J2IMUWyXEBFO

[frank mesa]

Using steel screw recipe?

apparently steel screws don't give the max

[oblique hollow]

steel rod to screw is more efficient

[velvet jasper]

^

[frank mesa]

apparently more material efficient

is it possible powerwise? or would you need to underclock the machines?

[cerulean rose]

is there a point where two underclocked machines can produce the same/more as one regular machine?

[wind spade]

yeah, if the clock speed is more than 50% 🤷‍♂️

2x50 = 100, 2x51 = 102 (2% more production than one at 100%)

simple math 😄

just remember that you don't gain materials, since consumption is increased in same way

[frank mesa]

Constructor 100% = 4MW, 10% =0.1MW

thats a roughly 40 fold less power per machine

same production needs 10x machines @brittle willow% the power compared to production @fierce ruin%

[amber jacinth]

10 times the space for 4x less power… I think I’ll pass.

[velvet jasper]

What’s the best turbo motor recipe

I’m thinking pressure motor but idk lol

[oblique hollow]

why are there people named 25 and 100

[frank mesa]

The answer to that must be 42

[velvet jasper]

@42

Dammit

[frank mesa]

🤣

[velvet jasper]

Fixed it

@42

Wtf

[frank mesa]

@velvet jasper

[velvet jasper]

Pog

[frank mesa]

you need to add a space 😉

or the discord server needed a second longer to update

[wind spade]

it's 10 times the space for 40 times less power

[amber jacinth]

Oh yeh
I can’t math today

[frank mesa]

40 times per machine, since you need 10x the machines, result is 4 times less power 😉

[wind spade]

that's not how math works

[cerulean rose]

space is free. power is not. in the end it comes down to "is it worth spending the time to do the building to save this much power?" and to me the answer is no lol

[frank mesa]

1 machine @ 100% uses 4MW Producing 10 items/min
1 machine @ 10% uses 0.1MW Producing 1 item/min
10 machines @ 10% use 1MW Producing 10 items/min
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is a factor 4 power reduction.....

[cerulean rose]

"4 times less power" is kind of a bad way to phrase it, though. You need 10x the machines to equal the output, and it only uses 1/4 the power

[frank mesa]

Also me having the force of habit giving answers that lack 1 or more crucial bits of information for the answer to make sense....

But I really like to encourage self thinking in my minions the people I supervise

[frosty owl]

||Or reduce the machines to 1/2.5 and spend ~1.8 times the power ||

[jade sluice]

relative to the cost & time would getting a pure oil node from over where my player is be worth it in comparison to using 2 impure nodes

[novel sonnet]

It be better to go for the pure. Two impure produce 120 when both are at 100% compare to 240 at 100% for the pure. It's a 1:4 ratio.

[jade sluice]

thought so

that's gonna be a bitch to get to my base

[novel sonnet]

Tho if you're in the spire cost I'd just grab the nodes there. It's where most of the oil is located

[jade sluice]

spire coast?

[novel sonnet]

Or go to the islands where the pure nodes are

The place where your character is now

[jade sluice]

ahhh

yeah it's got a lot, that's where my power plant is

but it's a pain to get to my base

[novel sonnet]

Do you have trains yet?

[jade sluice]

i do but the two locations wouldn't snap together smoothly

and i think that'd annoy me more than pulling items over

[novel sonnet]

Suffer with it for 20 hours then fix it when you have your basics done. A little bit of suffering is better than losing resources

[jade sluice]

it's not possible to snap them together with a save editor is it..?

[novel sonnet]

Sadly not. There's a couple things you could do. 1. Just mess around with building them to see if they snap together or 2. Go onto satisfactory calculator and download worldwide rail network. It saves a lot of time imo. I've used it a couple times actually. Tho I always gather the required materials to make it as legit as possible.

[small kayak]

I just stumbled upon this worldwide rail network blueprint and now I'm really thinking about using it when I unlock trains (soon). I'm hesitant because I didn't achieve it myself and it's 'cheating', but it would safe sooo much time and it can still be modified to personal taste...
Well, after messing around a bit with rails myself I can still use it if my creations lack satisfaction

[novel sonnet]

I would recommend doing what I stated above. It saves you 10-20 hours of work but you still "make it." You can easily calculate what it takes

[jade sluice]

what does it do? i've never heard of it before @novel sonnet

[cerulean rose]

if it's "cheating" to you then it's cheating. I'm 100% in favor of playing games in such a way that bring maximum joy, and if you will find more joy in designing your own rail network, then do it

[novel sonnet]

It's a save file editor along with a map and a calculator, I can send a link if you want

[jade sluice]

sure

[novel sonnet]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#4.5;78995;66505|gameLayer|;coalNormal;bauxitePure;bauxiteNormal;bauxiteImpure;coalImpure;coalPure

It's set to show coal and bauxite rn

[jade sluice]

oh, i was referring to worldwide rail network

i've used SCIM pretty often

[novel sonnet]

You can find it under blueprints

[crystal charm]

so, for now, i have one pure oil node feeding 12 fuel generators, no overclocking, no special recipes. how many gens can i get running if i overclock that pure node, or join other nodes to get a full 600 pipe

about 28?

[muted crypt]

So you're just doing crude oil -> fuel + polymer resin?

[soft scarab]

You can run 66 gens off of 300 oil/min

Maybe a bit more, that’s rounded

That’s with diluted fuel recipe

[muted crypt]

240 crude oil -> 160 fuel (via Fuel recipe), which is 13.33 fuel gens. Overclocking to a full 600 pipe results in 400 fuel, which would be 33.33 fuel gens.

[muted crypt]

They specified no alternate recipes

[soft scarab]

Oh thank you I read too fast

[muted crypt]

it happens no biggie

[ripe quarry]

any obvious improvements to make here when avoiding hand-crafting the first computers? I think this is a decent setup to get computers in T5, then later i can swap out the dilute packaged setup for a blended dilute fuel to do a larger computer factory for supercomputers and radio control units without the added complexity of packagers https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=iVrlwoDp6cPY8iV7MlRi

I figured minimizing quartz would be the most useful since it's so scarce late

it'll actually get way easier later because once i get trains i can offload things like rubber to an entire rubber facility

[thorn bane]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=osfad9UUvNeh2U4dNg0S
personally not a fan of diluted packaged fuel, id just use default rubber until blender diluted fuel
rest seems good

[ripe quarry]

that's a good point

i guess i'll just use a normal rather than impure. there's still plenty of oil to go around

even without the dilute, it's only 160/min vs 60 with dilute

oh that's avoiding HOR too

yeah HOR isn't hugely helpful there

[thorn bane]

ye its just good old default rubber

[ripe quarry]

brings it below 150 though which is neat if impure is all i can find

the numbers get ugly though. ok i'll keep that in mind when finding a spot

thanks for the help 😄

[velvet jasper]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=HHWMN1NnQqoddwIIqnT3 how’s this for aluminium

[mystic nexus]

so i am looking to finally make a megabase after finally doing all research. I need to setup nuclear power and i want to do the space elevator phase 4 items, then pivot into a max-tickets build (or just sink the phase 4 items, im sure its much the same).

So my first step is setting up nuclear. my problem is that i cant find any up to date info on the best way to go about nuclear - generally builds seem to either maximize power at the cost of all other resources, or maximize uranium usage and reduce waste to zero at the cost of sinking plutonium rods as cheaply as possible and thus less power. I'm pretty sure ill go for the latter, or at the very worst, just also burn plutonium rods for more power and just stash the waste.

A lot of the layouts/calculator setups ive seen seem to be working on update 4 numbers. Im pretty sure waste generation was changed in update 5 iirc? which would brick the older u4 layouts. i guess what im asking is does anyone have an up to date nuclear setup?

A second question would be more a question of performance optimisation - how important is it for me to stick power cells in every setup possible to minimize entities? im on a reasonably good system (i5 12600kf, rtx 3070) but i dont want my world to become unplayable and <60fps. Is it worth dealing with the increased power draw and ratio complexity to optimise, or am i screwed either way and should just make it simpler? for example, looking at pure iron alt recipe - at 200% clock you get a neat 6 refineries per t5 belt output of iron ingots (780/130) but the input is still a messy 11.142... refineries per t5 belt, meaning you inevitably end up with either wasted ore or unsaturated belts which are hard to account for in large-scale builds. at 250% clockspeed you dont as nice of an output (4.8 refineries per t5 belt, 780/162.5) and the input is even worse at 8.914... refineries per t5 belt (780/87.5). What do people usually do in these situations?

sorry for the wall of text, just have nowhere else to ask these questions. need some pros here. will say im a factorio veteran and because of the limited ores in satisfactory it makes me change my entire problem solving process because you need to do optimisation calculations and analyze the relative value of each material and how it gets used, whereas usually in factorio i just got as much ore as i needed and set an arbitrary science/per minute goal and made neat ratios.

[soft scarab]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com will let you figure out how much production of space elevator / advanced parts / tickets you want to go and tell you how much power you need for that

From there you can figure out how many nuclear plants you need to provide the power. Or fuel if you wanted to go that way. I think satisfactory tools has correct production lines for nuclear but you can also just get the in-game stats if needed

You probably don’t need to maximize power generation so you won’t need to worry so much about optimizing uranium usage

As for the Overclocking question - it also depends if you want to edit your save or spend a lot of time collecting power slugs. Personally I put shards in extractors and that’s about it.

Also mk5 belts don’t always carry the maximum amount, especially at poor fps rates. I usually aim for 720-750 as “full”

As for the messy decimals - you can underclock, you can overproduce and sink excess, or you can just leave it at 100% and have flickering lights. Nothing wrong with any of those.

[tropic hawk]

I would recommend actually looking at point density per resource used, as that can get you a clearer picture on how to max out points (screws are more points efficient than Modular frames last I checked)

[tropic hawk]

Update 5 was purely Aesthetics and building recipe changes, no production recipes changed.

[tropic hawk]

Power drain is easier to deal with if you have lots of power infrastructure. If you do normal clock speed/under clock you have to deal with massive amount of space taken and the large build cost

[tropic hawk]

Nuclear: there is three schools of thought: uranium and stashing waste, uranium and sinking plutonium, and plutonium and sinking waste. The only Long Term Viable option is the Sinking of plutonium rods or using them for vehicle fuel. If you do it right, you will have a guaranteed no back up in your system. I am personally working on a full 252 plant complex with modular input and remote throttlability as well as a SCRAM system. It is quite a lot of work, but it is meant to be so.

[muted crypt]

Holy wall of text hang on

@mystic nexus since I just wanna grab one detail I'm just gonna ping you for it: your means of optimizing are on two separate fronts once you've picked a route. Not using shards increases machine/space usage and adds a non-insignificant amount of complexity to the logistics, but balances out by the fact that you get a LOT more power from your system. On the flip side, you save a lot of time/space by sharding machines but will greatly increase consumption of the power being produced and save less for the rest of the factory (roughly 4.33x as much power if every machine in the production line is overclocked)

[snow dove]

Only benefit in overclocking power gens is taking up less space

as everything scales linearly

most people don’t overclock power gens on a large scale

[cedar mica]

Overclocking is a nice way to scale an existing plant, without doing anything besides upgrading belts and pipes.

[snow dove]

true

[wide granite]

whats math and meta

[stuck anchor]

talking about efficiency & production basically

numbers n stuff

[fierce cypress]

Channel Descripiton:

A channel for sharing and discussing factory builds, material ratios, so on and so forth. Useful sites for making/calculating factory designs and outputs will get pinned.

[wide granite]

well whats math isnide of satisfactory

[amber jacinth]

How many constructors making iron plates do you need for 10 heavy modular frames/min? Which alt recipe is the best for reinforced plates? Stuff like that

[muted crypt]

the math of the game comes from optimization of layouts

[upper escarp]

Can I have a ratio for normal fuel fuel generator?

Or if not, just convert 46.666666-

[mystic nexus]

Hi, thanks for the replies! much appreciated. First, i had tried using the satisfactory tools calculator but the visual diagram ended up a mess and virtually incomprehensible, and also the number of facilities isnt able to account for power cells as far as i can tell.

second, so if i were to do a max reactor + sinking plutonium cell build for power, ive seen you can get up to like 500GW surplus, is that enough power to run the rest of the factory for max tickets for example? what if i were to max overclock everything for performance/space/simplicity's sake? (i have found most of the power slugs on the map and im happy to mod in extra power cells since theres a hard limit and im doing this for optimisation rather than "cheating")

next, thats interesting to hear than mk5 belts are tied to fps rather than an internal tick rate. do we know what fps threshold causes them to start losing throughput?

when talking about messy decimals, my problem is more that if i waste materials then im wasting the finite resources on the map, and thus wasting potential production/tickets/etc. It seems like theres no way to fix this other than inefficiently sinking excess resources.

[mystic nexus]

Thanks for the replies! yeah when i was talking about relative value of resources theres also the consideration of point density, not sure where to find that info (i dont fancy doing all those calculations myself)

As for U5, i thought there was a change to how much waste nuclear plants produced because it was too much in u4, which ruins the ratios of u4 setups that turn uranium waste into plutonium cells into sink. If its still 20 waste/min then it should all be good.

when you say "lots of power infrastructure", how much do you actually mean? If i were to max use uranium and sink plutonium, ive seen setups reach ~500GW net power gain. is that enough to run the rest of the factory on max overclock to save space/performance?

finally, your nuclear setup sounds fascinating. i think im either going to go for uranium + sinking plutonium, or if your answer to the previous question indicates i need more power, then plutonium + stash plutonium waste.

thanks again!

[balmy bolt]

Do I underclock my machines to make the math simpler?

[mystic nexus]

yeah haha sorry about the wall of text, i just have so many questions and its better than just spamming questions one by one and waiting on responses for each. My point essentially is a) is the performance gain/complexity reduction from full overclocking a factory worth (or even viable, assuming i mod in power cells) when considering how much power can be made on the map? like would a full 100+ nuclear reactor overclock setup produce enough power to sustain a full overclock max-ticket factory? or do i need to make concessions in either diverting more resources to power generation (ie some oil going to fuel), or removing overclockers from some setups (taking the hit to fps performance and increasing space reqs)? basically, how much power does an average maxed out factory take, and is there comfortably enough power on the map from nuclear alone to power it all? what about if everything is overclocked?

Also im happy for anyone to answer any of my questions, was just doing the individual replies to directly thank each person and respond specifically to their help.

[soft scarab]

Satisfactory tools does not yet enable Overclocking but that’s coming. But you can also make the production map easier to view by setting some produced resources as the inputs, and then making other tabs to track those production lines, rather than doing it all at once

You have to do the math to see if your 500GW surplus is enough excess. The full build display on satisfactory tools will tell you the power consumption. You’ve already gotten an estimate scaling coefficient (4.33x) for 250% Overclocking of every building

[muted crypt]

(( for a more exact value, 2.5^1.6 ))

[soft scarab]

It’s not immediately clear that there would be waste per se. I would expect that only one material will be the limiting factor for max points - eg you’ll run out of copper first or something. Sinking excess rubber or iron then is just more points, not a waste

And in fact a true “max points” build would be extracting every resource on the map at 100% and making the highest total value items you can and sinking those. Even if that means just sinking like iron plates lol

[soft scarab]

It’s also not clear that oil will be a constraining factor, so you could always go nuke + fuel or turbofuel.

[mystic nexus]

thanks for the info

at a cursory glance, a megafactory making 100 assembly director/magfieldgen and 25 nuclear pasta/thermal rocket per minute would use 300GW unclocked. so if thats x4.33 it seems like power is way too much of a limiting factor compared to resources - 1.5 TW is needed for the factory assuming full overclock.

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=PZ1fla0HvnajCtCtqwW8 this is just a rough setup of what i would aim for, seems theres heaps of leftover coal and iron and not much of the other resources, notably oil.

[soft scarab]

Under that build, yes. There’s some quirks of the calculator though in how it selects recipes - if you play around with it, you’ll find you can set aside more oil (eg for power) and it’ll use up the coal instead

It’s probably going into the steel & iron recipes is my guess because oil steel / iron is more efficient, but that may not be the right optimization for you

[mystic nexus]

ooh interesting. im not intimately familiar with the recipes so i just assumed it was smart. guess not :^)

[soft scarab]

Eg if you constrain oil to 8,000 instead of the default 11,700, it all still works and uses like 57% of the coal instead of 9%

[mystic nexus]

fascinating

i cant see it using oil steel/iron recipes :o

[soft scarab]

Look for where the oil enters the supply chain and follow it

I’m on mobile right now so not looking too closely but that’s what it did for my heavy mod frame build

Yeah there’s at least some coke steel ingots being made

You can also deselect those alternate recipes and see how it does

I think basically it tries to optimize for fewest units of resources used

[mystic nexus]

rather than relative value of resources?

like id way rather inefficiently using iron or copper given how plentiful they are compared to oil etc

[soft scarab]

I think so. I think Greeny said he was working on customized weighting options in the future

But for now you just have to either constrain certain resources or eliminate certain recipes

[mystic nexus]

alrighty.

thanks for your help again, its much appreciated.

guess i have a big job ahead of me, would you recommend making all the resources for nuclear on-site or shipping in all the finished products and then combining with uranium?

[soft scarab]

I haven’t done nuclear yet myself so I don’t know. I personally like to do outpost-style bases generally (eg make X over here, Y over there, and combine them for Z in a third place), but to each their own

But I do know if something goes wrong with uranium it can be hard to fix

Given the… constantly dying, y’know

[mystic nexus]

eh hazmat suits got me covered ;)

[noble agate]

My 10 reactor nuclear power plant (with waste post-processing) does everything at the site except heat sinks because I didn’t feel like figuring out how to do aluminum there. So I just transport them with drones.

I will probably build a huge nuclear plant that uses all the uranium on the map in the near future and for that I will produce everything at the site 🙂

[mystic nexus]

yeah im thinking ill just train in all the raw resources (or at least, the base resources like ingots smelted at the ore site before pickup if possible). probably use the nodes closest to the place i choose to set it up. its a shame that i cant build my nuclear setup near my main base as i have grand visions, but i guess it allows me to be lazy and not make it look pretty since itll be isolated and just doing its own thing.

[frosty owl]

Correction: "4x the power" or anything bigger than "2x the power" are inaccurate and exaggerated figures ^^
They only take into account how much power one single machine consumes VS an overclocked one.
A more accurate comparison can be: how much more energy does one use to run 1 machine at 250% Vs 2 at 100% and one at 50%?
Answer: about ~1.8 times more energy.
So worst case scenario (unless one includes underclock), one uses almost double the power for 2.5 times the processing speed

[soft scarab]

Good catch. So fully overclocked might actually work, or close to it, with nukes + fuel gens

[mystic nexus]

oh damn yeah

considering if you go full power gen with uranium + plutonium, you can hit up to 1 TW naturally with no overclocking in the setup

and that leaves a good chunk of oil spare for turbo fuel

so full overclocking seems like it could be viable

[frosty owl]

Multiply "base power" by 2 and you'll already have a generous estimate of the max power needed (see my previous comment about power scaling).

Imo, there's plenty of power for your needs. Eg: the biggest factory plan I heard about used ~400 GW for complete resource usage. There's plenty of room for overclocking even without burning plutonium rods, meaning if one wants to really go hardcore on points production, they can even make use of the "fertile uranium" plutonium route (that makes more plutonium at the cost of uranium, producing less overall power but consuming less resources) to squeeze out a few more points (~3% more points than using only Uranium power with no waste)

The numbers I just referenced come from linear optimization results (optimizing for sink points), so pretty accurate ^^ (withing the limits of my memory 😅, I can provide links for further reading)

[mystic nexus]

interesting.thanks for that!

yeah i was looking at a factory that used 350 GW unclocked, so if we're going for a 2x multiplier i would need 700GW to run the thing, and thats more power than uranium alone can make. i think you have to at least burn some plutonium or divert some oil to turbo fuel to make up for that power gap.

im pretty sure the most efficient uranium setup with full plutonium sink and no waste is like 650 GW generation, and about 600 GW net.

again assuming no overclocking

so i will probably just end up burning plutonium, idm stashing plutonium waste way out in the middle of nowhere. my main factory will be quite centralized in the north forest so its away from all radioactive stuff.

[frosty owl]

Yeah, just handle the waste. Less headaches than trying to figure out the least resources you can use to make enough turbofuel to finish overclocking imo (and way more efficient in terms of points)

Again, there is the possibility for Fertile Uranium (changes max power to ~1 TW, of which ~450 GW from Uranium iirc), but it just saves a bit of machines and mainly nitrogen/bauxite

[thorn bane]

again its not x2 because you also need to build less machines
with everything overclocked to 250% its 73% more power so 605GW

[mystic nexus]

true.

regarding performance, is it better to have lots of small, simpler systems of pipes, or fewer but more complex systems. in essence, when doing refineries for pure ingots, is it better to do sets of 12 (exactly 600 water/min) or 6 (300 water/min)?

[wind spade]

600/min is tricky due to pipe bug

[mystic nexus]

oh?

[wind spade]

I'd recommend smaller sets

[mystic nexus]

whats the pipe bug?

[wind spade]

600m3 in pipe is hard to get

especially in pipe manifolds

[mystic nexus]

isnt it just 2x full overclock water extractors?

300/min * 2 = 1 full mk2 pipe?

[wind spade]

yeah and game has issues with that

also if you have enough water around, I wouldn't overclock

[mystic nexus]

even if the mk2 pipe is very short range? like in this setup:

why not overclock? less machines is always better, right?

[wind spade]

more power usage

if it's so short, I'd definitely do direct input - one extractor to X refineries

[mystic nexus]

weve established that even full overclocking the entire base should in theory use far less power than what i can generate

[wind spade]

yeah but generating less power = more resources saved = more possible production

[mystic nexus]

and reducing the number of machines as much as possible is paramount for performance

[thorn bane]

~10%

if you dont do power at all

[mystic nexus]

well the thing is im always going to do a max uranium setup since otherwise it goes to waste, so theres always a percentage of resources set aside for nuclear.

[wind spade]

otherwise it goes to waste
not really, resources are infinite

[mystic nexus]

i mean as in im not utilising the optimal uranium/min

like uranium's relative value is surely way higher considering how rare it is and how much power/points it makes

[wind spade]

utilising less resources = using less buildings = more performance

[thorn bane]

well overclocking is less buildings

[mystic nexus]

^

[wind spade]

you can have both

you can overclock and not do full uranium but only as much as you need

[mystic nexus]

how does it balance out? surely the buildings saved from not overclocking and using less power is dwarfed by the number of buildings saved from overclocking

[thorn bane]

yep 250% oc is roughly 50% less buildings overall (compared to 60% less from the 250% production)

[mystic nexus]

sure, i can not use max uranium but then i wont have enough power to do full overclock

[thorn bane]

mostly because nuclear power uses almost no machines compared to the gain of overclocking

[mystic nexus]

a very high resource usage factory is like 400-600 GW, and if i want to overclock it all it probably approaches 1 TW and theres no way to get that much power without going full nuclear.

[mystic nexus]

also yeah thats what i was thinking zyranex

[thorn bane]

also small note that these maximum resource builds are more theoretically since theres no pc in the world that can run these setups
i was using 10% of the resources and had <20 fps

[mystic nexus]

wait what for real

[thorn bane]

ye the world is pretty big xD

[mystic nexus]

ive seen youtube showcases of maps using all resources and sure they were a bit laggy but not unplayable

[wind spade]

I mean that depends

I could "use" all resources by just putting a sink after miner

and have nice 60 fps

[mystic nexus]

i mean as in maps making heaps of turbo motors pre u4

[wind spade]

it really depends how far into the production chain the player got

pre u4 is way smaller than u4+ setup

[thorn bane]

that alone is already 382 miners xD

[wind spade]

we got new stuff in U4

[mystic nexus]

u4 didnt introduce that many new resource nodes

[wind spade]

it introduced new stuff to produce

[thorn bane]

well the meta changed in U4
going for max turbomotors in U3 was hard capped by bauxite and used like 10% of the buildings beecause of that

[wind spade]

and new alt recipes

[mystic nexus]

ah

[thorn bane]

its mostly the assembly director systems

maximizing those takes huge amounts of machinees

[mystic nexus]

ah i see

[thorn bane]

like 7000 iron wire constructors 😆

[mystic nexus]

i was looking to do something like this: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=e8iOr7BDAqVujL3wofSU

but if thats not feasible, then i guess i can scale down

[wind spade]

it's always easier to slowly build smaller chunks and see where do you end

[mystic nexus]

id argue thats not true, at least from my experience in factorio.

[wind spade]

I have 2k+ hours in Factorio and I'd argue it's true even there 🤷‍♂️

[mystic nexus]

if you build like 1/4 of your goal, you then need to leave room for 3/4 expansion

and thats just kinda lame

[wind spade]

shame the map is infinite

[mystic nexus]

i dont do giant train mega grid bases in factorio

[wind spade]

there's your problem then 🤷‍♂️

[mystic nexus]

in fact my bases tend to be entirely belt based and compact

ive done like 2.4k spm belt only pre belt optimisation (0.15 i think?)

[wind spade]

of course if you apply artificial limits on what you can do, the game plays differently 🤷‍♂️

but you can't make your assumptions based on your limited experience

[mystic nexus]

point was i couldnt double it to 4.8k because i didnt strive for it initially and i didnt leave space. so if i wanted to go bigger i would have to destroy literally the entire base and start all over

which doesnt sound easy or fun to me.

[wind spade]

or copy-paste the base somewhere else

[mystic nexus]

i mean i have 1k hrs in factorio. not that limited.

cant copy paste a 2.4k spm base lmfao

[thorn bane]

ye did that
ended up with 10 fps
wouldnt suggest

[mystic nexus]

that blueprint alone would probs crash the game

[wind spade]

well you can easily copy it part by part

[mystic nexus]

sure if ur base is sweaty modular rails, stamping BPs works

[thorn bane]

i had rails for ores and then copy pasted my "base" that was 600 SPM like 3 times
and it worked it just destroyed my fps

[mystic nexus]

https://imgur.com/gallery/ecrKl this was the early days of what i built

i did bps for individual factories but the overall structure was handmade, and doubling it was a huge undertaking. the final 2.4k spm base was just impossible to double

my point is satisfactory is kinda like this, you have limited space and especially if you want it to look good you need to pre plan exactly what you want to make

[wind spade]

satisfactory has technically unlimited space

[thorn bane]

hm 3d gives ALOT of eextra space

[wind spade]

you can't even fill 1/10th of the map with foundations

and that's just 2D plane

[mystic nexus]

thats just the object limit of ue4 tho right?

thats removable with a mod right?

[wind spade]

yeah but even if you overwrite the limit, you either get crashing game or 0 fps due to so many things in the save

it's the same as "full map usage is impossible"

[mystic nexus]

even nonfunctional things like foundations?

[wind spade]

you can't really make use of the whole map's space

[mystic nexus]

sure, and i dont plan to build the entire maps space. i want architecturally pleasing bases combined with a non-trival factory output

like i hate when its a huge x resource per min base and the entire thing is just floating platforms and such

[wind spade]

my point is that any "space is limited" opinion in satisfactory is based on self-imposed rules

[mystic nexus]

perhaps.

[thorn bane]

oh you would hate my base xD
#screenshots message

[mystic nexus]

like this is the early designs of some of my areas. probably need to make them bigger, but this will most likely be an area for small things like storage or just aesthetics, idk. but i want my whole production (at least the majority) to be in northern forest and look like this. idm making nuclear ugly and far away since i wont see it cause of radiation.

[wind spade]

just store it at height limit 😄

[mystic nexus]

yeah not exactly my cup of tea but theres an element of order and cleanliness in that setup that i like. dont hate it, but dont love it either ;)

[wind spade]

I hate that just because bus in satisfactory

[mystic nexus]

well i mean radiation isnt just from waste, still gotta have a huge huge area for all the reactors radiation, and then theres the space consideration of all the production that goes into making nuclear cells

and thats hard to fit in the northern forest and make look pretty

[wind spade]

reactors and production doesn't radiate much if you balance it

[mystic nexus]

so im just gonna do my power setup far in the top of the map over water so i dont have to look at it

[wind spade]

like it doesn't almost at all

[thorn bane]

the production/reactors arent that radioactive if you balance the belts
it only gets a problem if you have stockpiles of radioactive stuff

[mystic nexus]

also helps fps i would assume as well

right, in theory you have nothing backing up on belts

still gotta deal with trains carrying 3-4 cars full of uranium ore haha

[thorn bane]

the only thing is the amount until the machine can cycle once but thats pretty low

[fair violet]

thoughts?

[thorn bane]

dont use scim xD

[wind spade]

4 smelters, pretty low number

[fair violet]

look at the splitters

[wind spade]

if only there was a name for this mechanic

[thorn bane]

!wikisearch manifold

[shadow prairie]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?query=manifold

[fair violet]

this aint a manifold

[wind spade]

uses the same mechanics to make it work

but yeah, scim usually recommends super weird splitter/merger setups, I wouldn't really follow that

[fair violet]

i guess so

[mystic nexus]

what you linked is like a worse manifold

anon

[fair violet]

yeah

[wind spade]

it's dual manifold

[thorn bane]

dammit you were faster

[wind spade]

faster 😛

I generally prefer tools that just tell you number of machines and leave logistics up to you

given that there's so many approaches you can take to logistics

[mystic nexus]

i agree

i took one look at that logistics guide on that site and it made me want to cry, so much less clear than doing it in person haha

[harsh stump]

So scim with simple mode on

[wind spade]

I personally don't like scim since it doesn't do any optimisation and some setups are impossible to calculate

[frosty owl]

At the risk of sounding like a bootlicker, I say SFTools does a great job in that regard

[harsh stump]

Never tried that one, might have to for my next factory

[harsh stump]

Could I possibly get a link

[frosty owl]

It's actually faster than SCIM for planning too (better optimized in that regard)

[frosty owl]

First one in pins

[jagged merlin]

how is your splitter doing 60,30,30?

shouldnt it be 2 splitters?
one doing 120->60,60 and one 60->30,30

[wind spade]

overflow method

[timber flare]

The smelters can only process 30 so when they are full the rest gets sent on

Before its full its 40/40/40

Known as manifold warmup

[tropic hawk]

I have no idea where to find it as I was too busy with my nuclear plant to look it up. When I say a lot of power infrastructure, think in the tens to hundreds of GW

[soft scarab]

As someone who is also building in the northern forest area, I’m gonna have to disillusion you of fitting everything into the zone in an aesthetically pleasing way producing anything close to max points…

[mystic nexus]

yeah ive been constructing my nuclear setup way north over the water and just making a few hundred refineries has been rough

so much space needed

and this is like, 10-20% of the total resources of the map :^)

[soft scarab]

For example, I am currently building a factory to produce 9,000 steel pipes and 450 mod frames to feed a heavy modular frame factory. This factory is taking up the entire giant lake at the western edge of the northern forest and is currently three refinery floors tall, plus sandwich layers

[mystic nexus]

yeah

[soft scarab]

I am also using I think every single pure iron node in the northern forest to feed this factory

[mystic nexus]

im thinking what ill do is do a lot of ingot and low level recipe processing offsite and only ship high density stuff to the northern forest for the final stages wherei only need a handful of OC'd big boy machines

[soft scarab]

My takeaway from this project has been if I want to make things look good in northern forest, I have to basically build the structure first and then figure out what belting / production I can fit in it. Far from maximized or optimal, but things turn out way prettier when I do it that way

[mystic nexus]

yeah thats what ive been doing. ive just been building things to look nice and im gonna figure out what goes in there

[balmy bolt]

heyo i cant think rn

how would i make this 15 per minute

15 raw quartz input per minute rather

[stuck anchor]

underclocking it so that the raw quartz is at 15/min

[balmy bolt]

well yes

but how would i do the math for that

theres no input where i can write 15/min for raw quartz

[simple oracle]

just underclock the output until it matches what you want the input to be

im sure theres a better way to figure it out but thats what i do

[balmy bolt]

theres no change in the machine

well

[simple oracle]

it needs power and an input

[balmy bolt]

o

thats annoying trying to set it all up prior to doing it lol

[simple oracle]

you'd only have to do it for one and then you can just copy the settings

[soft scarab]

Yes there is. If you’ve unlocked Overclocking in the MAM, just type 15 into the output field

It will be in the area of the screen underneath the portion you clipped for the screenshot

Oh my bad I misread input

Just type 15/37.5 to the percentage field

[balmy bolt]

Oooo thank you i needed this for other times i gotta do this aswell lol

do that then x100

i forgot abt that

[equation then x100 not in the % field]

[soft scarab]

No need to x100

[balmy bolt]

ye but like if i was trying to tell someone the thing]

[soft scarab]

Oh yeah gotcha

[balmy bolt]

i'd say 40 or 40% rather than 0.4

[novel sonnet]

So I'm using 480 bauxite for sloppy alumina. I already have two refineries (100%), how would I determine how to figure out the remaining 80?

Nevermind to the one above, I figured it out

[crystal charm]

i'm having trouble doing 3 into 4

without compromising max belt capacity

[stuck anchor]

wdym by 3 into 4

[crystal charm]

3 outputs into 4 inputs

[stuck anchor]

why not just use 2 splitters

2 - 2

or manifold

[crystal charm]

2 splitters?

i have 3 outputs, i want it to go to 4 inputs, i don't want belt qty compromised

can't manifold

if i split each 3 into 2

[stuck anchor]

just use 2 of the outputs on the splitters

[wind spade]

Splitter on each belt, one belt from each splitter goes to machine, merge all the other ones and put to 4th machine

[crystal charm]

you ever reach that point in playing where you have a task youw ant to do

in my example, set up a battery factory of 2 blenders

but, your brain has just had enough of the math to figure it out

[carmine wigeon]

Haha! My nitrogen gas train freight is working! 🙂

It can be done 🙂

[crystal charm]

nice, got some screenshots?

[muted crypt]

I realize I'm several hours late, but are the three outputs all equal in quantity?

[crystal charm]

Yes, i ended up splitting each into 2, getting six lines, and merging those cause it just fell under the max belt limit

[muted crypt]

Split the middle in half, merge each half with the outside belts on their sides, then split the merged lines in half

if we have 40 40 40
Split the middle 40, so we have 40 20 20 40
Merge the 20s to the outside, so we have 60 60
Split the two in half, so 30 30 30 30

(Adapt the numbers according to your needs, I just picked a simple example)

[crystal charm]

i'll have to do that later when we unlock mk3 miners

and upscale it

[muted crypt]

This is how I'd do it anyway, it made sense to me in my 7:30am brain

[carmine wigeon]

I do, sorry one min!

Basically it's not that complicated. Using a second train station as a fluid (gas) buffer. Since it has fluid outputs rather than just pipe connections it doesn't have the flow issues that fluids buffers do with Nitrogen Gas

Obviously still need to tidy it up and make it look pretty etc 🙂

As proof (though obviously this could be anything else) - here are the 40 nitric acid blenders running green since 3 hours (fed from 3 separate train stations)

[oblique hollow]

heh, you actually went through with that idea.... funny!
If it works well, i won't even complain

[carmine wigeon]

Haha, I guess I'll take no complaints as praise then 😄

I'm still waiting for it to slowly seep down and not provide enough

Not sure how many hours of green will make me feel safe

[sonic gust]

thats an awesome train

[carmine wigeon]

An almost useless question: If I set a mk.3 miner on a pure node to output exactly 782, the clock speed shows 162.9167%

However, if I do the same on a calculator with more decimal places, it says I would need a clock speed of 162.916666666 repeating%

If I set the clock speed via the output, will it actually be set to 192.91666666.... just not show it, or will it be set to 192.9167%?

[sonic gust]

in other words you want to know how precise the game calculates?

[carmine wigeon]

Yep, pretty much. I know the display on the overclock is limited to 4 decimal points, and the display on the output is limited to 2 decimal points, but what happens in the background when they mismatch

[cerulean rose]

I know the game itself calculates things to, like, 6-7 decimal points

[amber jacinth]

I always do the amount over the percent if possible

[cerulean rose]

Yeah. I need to know the amount, anyway, to calculate a percent, so I just tell the game house much a need and let it handle the percent calcs

[soft scarab]

I think Greeny knows for sure but it does at least 4 if not 6 decimals

Displayed value is just rounding

[carmine wigeon]

Aye I figured as much, was just curious how far it goes. Thanks!

[warm wren]

Is one of the fissile uranium better? My primary interest is getting rid of uranium waste as fast as possible, so the one that uses up more but also requires uranium seems the best.

[vapid gorge]

This seems like it’s much more space intensive and more complicated than a packaging solution

[vapid gorge]

Can’t recall which is which for it. Run through the recipes and see how much waste each uses

[carmine wigeon]

With a packaging solution you need buffer for both the packages and the material, right? I've only done a relatively small one in a previous save so cannot speak as to scale comparisons, but all freight transport needs buffers, and this one fits perfectly on top (or below) however you choose, with easy pipe matching. It's really not that clunky. Plus I haven't decorated the base yet

[warm wren]

The one that combines with silica and uses up 37.5 per minute, while the other one combines with uranium and uses up 25 per minute. It's kind of a pro and con system really since its not like you have a limit on the number of blenders you can make or anything... silica uses it more quickly, but, you have to make silica, the uranium one uses it less quickly, but you don't have to make silica since combining it with uranium... but on the other hand, you do have to make more sulfuric acid.

[vapid gorge]

Just looked it up . Non fis then plut pellets to process waste cheap

[vapid gorge]

Ok so let’s assume you always need a buffer from stations for both input and output, not always the case but often.

Taking from A to B you’ll have at least two cars one with outgoing filled canisters and one with incoming empty. Each of this will have the buffer as standard. The empty buffer will feed the packaging which will feed the outgoing buffer.
Don’t need to buffer the n gas at all if you’ve got the numbers running to the packaging right.
And it’s been a while but I’m pretty sure packaged n is much more space efficient than gas so you’d be reducing total cars as well as not needing this double station set up.

As usual though I will say what you’re doing isn’t wrong it just depends what you’re aiming to do.
If it solves the gas buffer solution that’s a cool trick btw

[carmine wigeon]

True, I'd forgotten about the less "items" required as bottled nitrogen is very efficient compared to piped. And yeah it seems to solve the gas buffer issue. I've been running 40 nitric acid blenders for 8 hours now without a hitch, fed from 3 trains from around the map

[vapid gorge]

Nice 😄 it’s always cool to see a new work around for an issue.

[topaz hedge]

I've got a problem with one of my packaged n setups.. but packing/unpacking by drone or train is definitely the best way to move nitrogen..

[carmine wigeon]

I wish I could remember who suggested this as a method, it wasn't my original idea but somebody pointed out that fluid platforms act like factories and "force" out the gas, unlike buffers which just balance

[vapid gorge]

I haven’t looked at a drone set up for it but it looks more fiddly?

[topaz hedge]

I dunno, only thing I move by drone is uranium.

[carmine wigeon]

I used a drone nitrogen bottled setup in my first save, went very well

But I'm hard committed to trains on this save 😛 (aside from uranium, I will use drones for that once I'm ready for it)

[topaz hedge]

my issue with my packaged nitrogen setup is probably a lack of containers, or something screwy going on at the well.

[vapid gorge]

What’s the issue you’re having? Almost done my work break so may not be able to reply

[topaz hedge]

Haven't really looked into it much. it's running out of full containers lol

[carmine wigeon]

The "unpackager" you mean?

[vapid gorge]

Ah yeah you want more containers than you’ll need behind the packaging in a buffer

[topaz hedge]

yes, the unpackager is running out of full containers between trains.

[vapid gorge]

Add more packages it should be fine to absolutely flood the containers with them

[carmine wigeon]

Yeah I added a couple storage *edit< containers and let them fill up, I couldn't be bothered doing the math to figure out how many I needed

If you have loads it can't go wrong

[topaz hedge]

I just kinda hooked it up, and fed the outputs into a sink (of the factory that uses the nitrogen) and left it. when I'm actually ready to use it I'll try resetting the system and see if it fixes itself.

[vapid gorge]

Cause you do t care about max efficiency transfers of containers just that they always exist where they need to be

[carmine wigeon]

If you have enough either end it should balance itself, so I'm not sure resetting would help

[topaz hedge]

I've added some more empties to it, but I didn't bother shutting it down to let it reset

[vapid gorge]

Also because the empty containers rely on filled containers getting emptied they depend on one another and will constantly fluctuate.

I always try to reduce or remove any codependent system as much as I can cause they are the fiddliest

[topaz hedge]

It's just odd, the other platforms in this station run fine, and chow through like 7k nitrogen/min but this one wants to act up lol

[vapid gorge]

Recursive dependent production takes careful building 🙂

[topaz hedge]

They're built fine. I probably just didn't start it with enough containers before demanding the full amount out of it xd

it's silly how a train with 4 carriages can move an entire well @ 250% of nitrogen though

[vapid gorge]

Entirely depends on distance 😄 do you use the throughput formula for the trains?

[thorn bane]

game calculates the clockspeed from the ppm and then rounds to 4 digits so its 192.9167%

[wind spade]

The clock speed value is rounded to 4 decimals, both for displaying and for calculations

If you use the output field to chanhe clock speed, it calculates required clock speed for it, rounds it and sets that clock speed to the machine

[frosty owl]

Plutonium routes:
-All standard recipes: medium resource usage, lowest plutonium output (for the same amount of Uranium->Rods->Waste)
-All alt recipes: maximum resource usage, maximum plutoniun output
-Fertile Uranium + standard recipes: lowest resource usage (slightly less than first route), a bit more plutonium made than the first route at the cost of less Uranium and total power.

[carmine wigeon]

Does it always round up?

[wind spade]

No, standard rounding rules

[visual grail]

I've heard nitrogen gas flow is a bit wonky... Anyone have thoughts on maximum reliable gas flow in a MK2 pipe?

[oblique hollow]

same rules as normal pipes, just that you cannot use buffers

[visual grail]

Thanks 👍

[manic ginkgo]

I'm building a coal plant and I have 1 belt of 60 coal/m, I want each coal generator to have 15 coal/m, however because of the way splitters work, I end up getting 30 in the 1st coal generator, then 15 in the next, and 7.5 in the rest. I'm wondering how it so that each generator gets 15 per minute, can I have help?

[topaz hedge]

splitters work fine... put the generators on standby and let them fill with coal and then turn them on.

[manic ginkgo]

thanks, I'll try that right now

[orchid birch]

if you want to balance them, just do it like that, each hexagon being a splitter

[manic ginkgo]

kk thanks

[topaz hedge]

You can do that.. but I really don't recommend balancers.

[foggy mica]

To be fair balancers are actually a manifold

Since it will back up at one point

[wind spade]

not in theory

in practice given the random nature of the game, some belts may have slightly more items, but I don't think it'll be noticeable over shorter periods of time

[foggy mica]

Yeah but I mean, if you turn off one side of a balancer it will fill and then back up allowing the other side to fill quickly, right?

[wind spade]

yeah, but why would you turn one side off?

that's not standard conditions

[foggy mica]

I usually turn stuff off once they are filled to get the others to fill faster when starting a manifold

But I get your point

[wind spade]

well if there's no manifold, there's no need to turn them off 🤷‍♂️

[topaz hedge]

turning stuff off to make a balancer fill faster takes away the one and only advantage they have lol

[foggy mica]

True lmao tbf I like the design of balancers but I'm stressed when the slots aren't full

[topaz hedge]

Same, I like full belts.

[wind spade]

that's... weird. balancers are made exactly for the reason that the slots won't be full

[velvet jasper]

quick question, is this enough copper?

[wind spade]

for what?

[velvet jasper]

just in general

i want to centralize all my ingots and such

[wind spade]

I mean... it all depends on how much copper you're gonna need 🤷‍♂️

[velvet jasper]

eh

im going for 5 phase 4 parts per minute

[wind spade]

it is enough if you'll need less then 12480/min 🤷‍♂️

depends on recipes you're gonna use and such

[velvet jasper]

alrighty yeah nvm i know exactly what im gonna need

pretend i never asked

[wind spade]

I'd recommend starting from the back and calculating how much of everything you're gonna need. And tbh I don't really recommend centralising stuff for this exact reason - any upgrade you're gonna do, you'll need to add more copper to the central production.

[velvet jasper]

yeah but i just checked satisfactory tools, and even not using any alts to save resources 12460 is WAY more than i need

its enough for 10 per minute of everything in fact

ive already put all the stations for copper, onto the iron

[visual grail]

Wow! that's a lot of nitrogen... pretty sure a math error

[topaz hedge]

can't hand craft those anyway, but I think they use 25 per so.. probably

[visual grail]

i havent fully automated them yet, I have a blender setup near a nitrogen well and storage containers I hand feed with mats. used the to-do list to see how many casing I need and thats when i noticed the N2 number was way off

[topaz hedge]

actually, that might be correct.

[visual grail]

its 1000x too much

[topaz hedge]

the game calculates 3 decimals of fluid.

so yeah that's right... it just decided to throw away the decimal lol

so 1100.000 nitrogen gas is needed.

[vapid gorge]

You should try to find the alt recipe for it. Uses 1/3 less alum and don't need to make them into cases for the cheap price of some fuel

[topaz hedge]

@velvet jasper you're welcome.

[velvet jasper]

I’m already gonna be making 2700 rubber…

Oh god lmao

That’s gonna be interesting if I decide to do it

[topaz hedge]

I would.. crystal beacons, rigor motors, etc.. they're useful..

[velvet jasper]

Prob will

What else can I use that 2700 rubber for anyways

I’m def gonna over clock those as well

I’m likely only gonna do like 270 idk

Ratios are also a lot nicer imho

The layout I’m gonna be building lmao

[wind spade]

or rather game calculates with dm3/liters instead of m3. I guess they didn't expect fluids to be in todo list (since it doesn't make sense) so they didn't implement the conversion here

[vapid gorge]

That’s a LOT of oscillators

[visual grail]

Wouldn't work for me, I'm burning all my fuel in gens.

[wind spade]

are you using diluted fuel? there's no way you've run out of fuel with that recipe

[vapid gorge]

All the oil everywhere??

[visual grail]

I'm using 11,700 oil to make 3800 rubber, 3800 plastic, 350 resin and 12000 fuel which I feed into 1000 gens

That's with diluted fuel

[vapid gorge]

Ah you’re not using the efficient rubber/plastic recipes

[vapid gorge]

Are you using the HOR recipe before diluted fuel?

Because with the efficient recipes 12000 diluted fuel should be 4500 oil, leaving you with 7k~ oil and the recycled rubber plastic recipes get you 21000 rubber/plastic per min from that

[visual grail]

indeed, I didn't have those recipes when I started my current setup. I'll probably tear it down and build a more optimized setup after i get nuclear online

[vapid gorge]

Ah yeah they are amazing rubber and plastic have some great recipes

[foggy mica]

HOR?

[wind spade]

heavy oil residue

[foggy mica]

Oh makes sense, thanks

[velvet jasper]

Hehehe

[tropic hawk]

Should we tell him

[velvet jasper]

What

Just tell

[tropic hawk]

That is nothing compared to later....

[velvet jasper]

Ik lol

Not looking forward to any of the elevator parts in any way shape or form lmao

[vapid gorge]

I mean, my overall plan uses like 90% of total resources and I don't think I'm making anywhere near that many oscilators. I've probably avoided teh recipes that use them though

Like caterium computers not crystal computers, cause 480 comps per minute would be pricey in crystal

[velvet jasper]

Exactly lol

[vapid gorge]

Right ok you're just going for a big build and going heavy on the oscilators XD I need my quartz elsewhere

[vapid gorge]

So brain question - Not a huge issue and it's not causing problems but trying to wrap my head around the why of it

I have 4 nodes of irons mined at different rates 2x high 700s 2x high 500s

Each with their own manifolded line of smelters smelting exact numbers

The 2x 700s ore lines never stop moving

The 2x 500s have their ores stop and start.

Now production is 100%, no stuttering, nor ingots backing up, machines further along never stop start.

Just curious as to why the ores might not have a continuous flow.
Too fast a belt feeding the manifold?

[velvet jasper]

Might not not actually lol, but if I have the spare quartz imma def do it lmao

[soft scarab]

500 smelters have full stacks, 700s don't?

[vapid gorge]

no all full ish, and the ingots from there don't stutter, and the machines getting fed don't stutter.

[tropic hawk]

You sure your not starving the 500s line?

[vapid gorge]

100% smelters are full to the gills and the things they are feeding are perfect

[tropic hawk]

So how do you know it's stuttering?

[vapid gorge]

Just the belts are stuttering.

It's interesting. It might be because the smelters are being fed with mk1s I guess?

[tropic hawk]

Visually or mechanically?

[vapid gorge]

mechanically

[amber jacinth]

It would guess that because the belt is moving less than its max it is stuttering because stuff gets backed up on the belt but nowhere else. The same thing happens to my belts.

[tropic hawk]

Really? Try draining the belts and reprimiming them

[vapid gorge]

I have a few times 😄 once the whole thing balances it goes back to it.

the 100 beacons pm function perfectly once it stabalises

[tropic hawk]

This wouldn't cause backups unless the smelters are running at 60 p/min or higher

And check the miner(s) to ensure that everything is being transported out and it's producing exactly what you need

[vapid gorge]

Less than 60 per, All smelters and miners are timed right. No belt to belt connections so zero belt throttling.
Rods plates wire all doing great.

No mechanical problem. Just curious really\

[quartz violet]

wait what even does manifold mean

[vapid gorge]

a manifold is when you use splitters to feed multiple machines or things from one belt

Most people just starting the game I imagine use manifolds without realise what they are called because they just make sense

[quartz violet]

so an overflow split belt instead of an optimized split belt

[vapid gorge]

yeah. By optimized I guess you mean a Load Balanced system rather than Manifold

[quartz violet]

oh yeah

[vapid gorge]

The only mechanical difference between the 2 is that it takes a manifold longer to spin up to 100% efficiency

[quartz violet]

oh

I heard someone say its a bit less efficient

[vapid gorge]

When things get complicated you can make mistakes to make either work not well but both are 100% efficient if you're doing it right

[quartz violet]

oh well I guess I'll use manifold belts more

[vapid gorge]

visually Load balanced systems tend to be much prettier though

[quartz violet]

but giant

[vapid gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYaRuPHZwWc

yeah, they take up a lot more space, a lot more planning, and can't be modified nearly as easily as manifolds

[topaz hedge]

*they can't be modified at all

[quartz violet]

I always just load balance except if its a 1:5

[vapid gorge]

With a manifold if you get a new belt speed or miner upgrade you can often just extend them if you have left yourself space

[vapid gorge]

Fair. I never load balanc so didn't want to make an assumption XD

[topaz hedge]

manifolds have "spinup" time, which could be very very long... sometimes they'll never spin up.

Or very short if you prefill machines.

[quartz violet]

or if you have fast belts I would assume

[vapid gorge]

if you've got the number right even very complex manifolds should get just enough parts in the last machine?

[topaz hedge]

I normally leave the output dissconnected, either at the end of the line, or somewhere inbetween when I power it up, and go work on something else. This lets the machines fillup and stop so they'll be ready to roll when I'm ready to hook it up

[vapid gorge]

that's fair

[topaz hedge]

maxed belts manifolds will never fill.

[vapid gorge]

Also complicated manifold belts that also have pipes can get fidly. Keep them simple

[quartz violet]

wait how complex do manifolds get

they are just a conveyor belt with a bunch of splitters

I wouldnt imagine they could get that complicated

[vapid gorge]

Well for example if you split a belt of ore 3 ways but each manifold consumes different amounts it can stutter strangely

[topaz hedge]

uh... well you see what happened here lol...

[vapid gorge]

And with fluids stutters can keep the stutter going

[topaz hedge]

manifolds are simple, but sometimes you need a lot of material.

and you're left over with a lot at the end.

[vapid gorge]

Left over? As in you're overfeeding?

[topaz hedge]

In my case it was I have 480 rubber, and each machine uses 75, and that doesn't divide.

[quartz violet]

oh

[vapid gorge]

Couldn't clock them differently for some reason?

[topaz hedge]

and I needed every last bit of it for this build. So I ended up with 4 belts of 480 feeding 4 machines, and recombining the rest

I couldn't.

[quartz violet]

I would overclock them to 120 or underclock to 60.

[vapid gorge]

odd! well overflow combining isn't too hard

I clock my Bauxite refineries so that 450 solution pm is used and piped directly to 1 scrap refinery in front of it. Sooo simple

[topaz hedge]

overclocking throws off the other numbers really bad, I think 200% worked out nicely, but that's 780 screws into a single machine

[vapid gorge]

Ah. Screws. My enemy.

[topaz hedge]

hmf is really bad for ratios and numbers

[vapid gorge]

If you insist on using screws having steel screws directly underneath whatever is using them makes life easier

[topaz hedge]

here's the machine line in question

[vapid gorge]

Curse you screws!

[topaz hedge]

it's 1:1 constructor to mfg though x: it's really nice.

simple screws

It's still a manifold though

[frosty owl]

BuT mAnIfOlDs ArE lEsS eFfIcIeNt

[frosty owl]

Screenshot of the lines?

[vapid gorge]

Feeling really sick atm. Will send tomorrow though it’s probably an in person job to look at. Not very clear with just a single shot

[frosty owl]

Whatever you prefer. I'm just interested in seeing if I can figure it out ^^

[empty glade]

Manifolds are 100% efficient when used correctly

[wind spade]

manifolds are always 100% efficient

or rather they are never less efficient than any other setup

[noble agate]

That’s true when the inputs of the machines are fully saturated. But with items that are produced slowly, like uranium fuel rods, achieving this might take very long time.

Which is why nuclear power plant is the only place where I would consider load balancer instead of manifold 🙂

[still trout]

i did not use a load balancer for my reactors

worst mistake of my life

[wind spade]

they still are 100% efficient though

[oblique hollow]

solvee it by using a sushi manifold with precise inputs

[median heath]

Do rods inside a splitter cause radiation?

Or does that magical void stop them from doing so?

[oblique hollow]

lately belts arent radioactive at all so id say magic void stop spicy air

[median heath]

In that case, sushi manifold it with the splitter shoved so close there can't be a rod on the belt.
Easy.

[empty glade]

They don't lose any product, nor use any fuel or power

[wind spade]

... ok? I know, that's pretty much what I said 🤷‍♂️

[frosty owl]

Doubt. What seems buggy is how you're affected by radiation
Eg: sometimes, after equipping certain body equipments, radiation seems to be "dampened" to the point that low radiation doesn't even register

[sonic gust]

what do you guys think is the way to go if you want to "go really big", like trying to mine out the map. Would you build a factory for each product and ship the ressources (like ingots and stuff ONLY) from ressource-hubs to the factory, to cook it from the start up there. Or would you make all iron products at the iron factory basically. and so on? What do you think?

[oblique hollow]

all iron at one big iron facility will lead to clutter

so probably local stuff

[sonic gust]

exactly

but still I think it would be fun to collect all the iron that is on the map at one central iron-hub and ship the ore/ingots to the product-factories.

with trains of course

[oblique hollow]

how you gonna redistribute that

[sonic gust]

via train. you collect it at one place, build for example like 10 big train stations. from there you let trains run to all the factories that need iron at the bottom of their production chain.

[oblique hollow]

no, HOW will you redistribute it, dont just write it off as "via train"

[sonic gust]

it would maybe give you great central control over ressource distribution. besides world domination.

[oblique hollow]

you get ALL the iron from the map in and need to get it back out

"via train" is not a complete solution

you're writing off a major logistical task

[sonic gust]

o_O put conveyor belts into TONS of stations. whats the matter?

[oblique hollow]

right. and wait 50 million years for the destination to overflow? unless you make the destination eat exactly a multiple of a belt

also, train traffic will be a problem

[sonic gust]

just send as much trains as are needed for the factory to be satisfied in a way that you wish for

you can overbuild every factory anyway and control it via trains

thats one good aspect is what I am saying

[oblique hollow]

im insofar not a fan of central processing because, if your source and target are right next to each other, shipping the resources off to a central factory to processing is a bit.... of a meme

[sonic gust]

yes I see your point. BUT if you want to go local, it is really hard work to make it all balanced and not ship ressources around like crazy. It wont end up clean in a way.

[oblique hollow]

its not that hard to do local. in the end either way is a logistical mess simply because of the scale of it

[sonic gust]

I will try my best on iron 😄 maybe I can show you the results 😄

[oblique hollow]

only difference is in one solution you are not sending all the trains through one logistical chokepoint

[sonic gust]

you call it chokepoint, I call it hub 😄

[wind spade]

I don't see why a transfer hub would be needed

[oblique hollow]

because its a funny meme

[sonic gust]

I think its more flexible to manipulate centrally, later on.

[oblique hollow]

not really. you have a much harder time to change anything in a big HUB

[sonic gust]

if you can change ressource distribution on the fly, to single factories for single items, you can overbuild each factory and produce more of item x, than in a non-central production.

[wind spade]

later on you want a factory that processes local nodes to a final product

not move thousands of materials over the map

[oblique hollow]

non central production means simply using up all local resources smartly

[sonic gust]

not as long as you have more ressources than you would need to distribute anyway, I suppose, mcgalleon

yes but you have to be fixed on your item output

[oblique hollow]

so is everything in this game

[sonic gust]

or else change around in local factories

no, not necessarily.

[oblique hollow]

factories are fixed. not dynamic

[sonic gust]

if you overbuild factories for items, you can make it like-dynamic.

[oblique hollow]

sure, you can undersupply them to get less out

but your cap is the production at 100% efficiency

[sonic gust]

yes exactly, overbuild factories from the get go. all the factories.

[oblique hollow]

so overbuild local ones too. process all the parts around

its not that hard

you group a bunch of nodes

[sonic gust]

but overbuilding locally seems really off?!

[oblique hollow]

and overbuilding centrally doesnt?!

[sonic gust]

to me that seems more complicated than controlling it centrally.

well LESS 😄

[oblique hollow]

i mean in the end the best control you will get is how many miner belts or trains you attach to your factory

one thing hats really not needed through is processing all ore in one place. make regional centers, not a map wide single center

[quartz violet]

If you shove everything in the center of dune desert or wherever it will be a logistics nightmare to transport precise counts of items to the right place in extremely large quantities with several major factories combined into 1

[oblique hollow]

the safest bet for central processing is that only one train line from one local node cluster supplies one part of the production line

else you need to deal with balancing iron ore internally

another thing to add: you do NOT want to play a game of "wheres the piping error" in a big factory

a single local factory is far less likely to be affected by that than one large one

[sonic gust]

that is true 😄

but for me it is go big or go home 😄

[oblique hollow]

no really, for big factories, this will be your biggest nightmare

it either works or fails horribly

[alpine knoll]

i made a nice big factory but now i need to completely change it to change its power source

[oblique hollow]

many smalls make one big too.
also the game will thank you for not having to render a mega cluster

[alpine knoll]

And basically im done with the save now lmao

Need to properly plan for all that kindof stuff beforehand

[sonic gust]

yes true, it is a learning curve

[oblique hollow]

why is changing the power source such a difficult task now?

[alpine knoll]

Location

[oblique hollow]

caaaaables?

[alpine knoll]

Base is near a river but miles of water piping would suck

[tropic hawk]

Or rails

[alpine knoll]

Cause the river isnt deep enough

[oblique hollow]

make the power source somewher else and wire the power over

you dont NEED to build it near your base

[tropic hawk]

Always try to keep fluid processing relatively near the source to save on headaches

[alpine knoll]

I also need to move the coal to that

Cause the coal is really really far away

[oblique hollow]

ooor find coal locally

[quartz violet]

Do the smart thing and use packaged water and drones

[alpine knoll]

Thats the closest coal

[tropic hawk]

Belting is easier AND cheaper than piping

[oblique hollow]

go to the coal and build the power there

[topaz hedge]

Oh.. now this just isn't fair..

[tropic hawk]

That is not Smart. Not at all

[quartz violet]

Yes

[tropic hawk]

Join the fused wire club

[oblique hollow]

droning water

[quartz violet]

Thats the point pretty much

You would also need to return the jugs

[alpine knoll]

ye i'll just start a new save prob anyways cause the friend i was playing with quit

[topaz hedge]

I don't think there's enough caterium...

[oblique hollow]

the amount of drones you need will offset the water you transport by how much water you need for all that aluminum for the batteries

[topaz hedge]

build next to water? iono XD

[oblique hollow]

join the insulated cable club

[quartz violet]

You could probably use a fleet of factory carts to transport water jugs

[oblique hollow]

we got a great deal: 20 cables for the price of 4.5

[topaz hedge]

Then I'll run out of oil D:

I'm looking at different ways. but iron wire seems to be the best option. I'm not done figuring out what I have available yet in common resourses, but I don't have much oil, and I should barely have enough aluminum for superstate computers.

[oblique hollow]

if you wanna save some, use insulated caterium cable or something

[amber jacinth]

I just want to transport water so I can name the train The Water Boy

[prime marsh]

Pipes? water those?

[amber jacinth]

[topaz hedge]

I'll think about it some more, and play around on satistools with it. I have my production goal, which is 60 ADS/min now I have to figure out a way to do it, reducing machine count where possible, and make it happen with what I have leftover on my save.

hopefully not kill the save dead.. that'll probably happen anyway :/

even with overclocking, it'll probably increase the machine count in my save to over 6k.

[vapid gorge]

... build the coal power station right next to coal next to water and use cables to hook up your factory?

[warm wren]

If I'm producing and thus using 9.6 fuel rods per minute, that's 50 x 9.6 uranium waste per minute, yes?

[high patrol]

what is the most efficient way to use the coal generators?

[soft scarab]

Not sure what you’re asking. How would you use coal generators inefficiently?

[soft scarab]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Nuclear_Power_Plant yes, assuming you mean uranium fuel rods

[warm wren]

Hrm, I find myself wanting to set up a container that fills up, then stops filling until its empty, then fills up again 🤔

[oblique hollow]

thats what a truck station does

it fills and then empties

[versed hemlock]

Only using common mathematical symbols (such as: +, -, /, x, !, and square roots. Note that using external numbers or symbols that require external numbers such as cube root are not allowed), make each true.

[wind spade]

probably should go to some offtopic channel

[snow dove]

This channel is for the math and meta of in-game content.

[versed hemlock]

Ah I see

[snow dove]

You can try #off-topic-general though

[thorn bane]

posted in #off-topic-general

[wind spade]

@median heath max map like this

[median heath]

Imagine automating Project Parts 😏😏

[thorn bane]

show iron wire

[wind spade]

if I can find it

[median heath]

Also which Concrete recipe? I'm curious 😂

[median heath]

6717 😂😂

[thorn bane]

6717 machines 🖤

[median heath]

I know

[median heath]

That's so fucking many 😂😂

[median heath]

Wow... no Rubber? 😥

[wind spade]

no. also no idea why not wet concrete all the way 🤔

[median heath]

Probably water limit given you're using it in other things 🤷‍♂️

[wind spade]

there's a reason this isn't released publicly yet 🤔

I mean...

[wind spade]

tho if you want to play with it there's a tester role you can get through discord

[frosty owl]

Imagine not being able to use your own tools
||sarcasm disclaimer||

[wind spade]

imagine playing the game

[frosty owl]

BRUH...
Thats real optimization ahahah
When you use the normal concrete recipe because the power save leads to more points than making "efficient concrete"

[thorn bane]

oooh true havent thought of that

[topaz hedge]

I'm still using the u4 version and it likes to try to default to rubber concrete xd

[wind spade]

huh, any reason for using U4 (except for not being able to transfer production lines)?

[topaz hedge]

not being able to transfer production lines lol.

[muted crypt]

good morning (( it is 2pm)) frens

[wind spade]

though U5 version also defaults to rubber concrete

since it's really most resource efficient 🤷‍♂️

[topaz hedge]

I need to go and screenshot the production lines that're important to me though. although I could figure out what's what in game.

[wind spade]

import/export should be added soon™️

so expect like 2 weeks+