math-and-meta

[patent briar]

This is my config for this station

Ive deleted and remade the station, no dice

Train pulls in, docks, and then just sits there

[supple belfry]

Train Q: I’m deciding on a setup that will either involve bringing aluminum downhill by rail or copper ingots downhill. I heard trains had a weight variable…? Can someone speak to this?

[fierce ruin]

Yes they have dynamic weight now.

[supple belfry]

So…I know this affects my timetables a bit, but is there a rule of thumb around optimizing for that? Tend to favor producing as much locally, but this is aluminum so it always seems to be logistically wrinkly

[fierce ruin]

Doesn't really affect your timetable at all, just your power draw for how hard the train has to pull things.

[patent briar]

okay deleted the train and remade it and its dropping off oil...

Okay so its specifically this combo that breaks liquid trains.

Freight Wagon is fully loaded/unloaded

AND wait for (seconds)

This combo just straight up makes the train drive in, dock, and then just sit there and do nothing

If I switch the AND to an OR, or if I switch from "fully loaded" to "one load cycle" its fine

Im gonna make a bug post, would anyone else be willing to try replicating this as well and post on the official report post I make if they have the same issues?

[patent briar]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/61b81111831c85205236599b

For now I may need to swap basically my entire factory to using packaged fluids, to sort out this problem.

Which also, coincidentally, improve how much fluid/min I can move with trains at least

Unfortunately I need... 170 packagers to move 2 trains of water >_>;

[vestal bolt]

I'm trying to set up a new power thingy using coal and I have 16 extractors 2 miners and 20 generators and the water won't go to the end

[patent briar]

probably not enough head lift?

[fierce ruin]

Sounds like a piping issue.

[vestal bolt]

I have plenty of pumps the water goes from full Flow rate to nothing and the pumps dont do anything

[patent briar]

Head lift though?

[vestal bolt]

It's a flat surface

[fierce ruin]

Flow rate doesn't really mean anything...

Having full 600 flow rate when you need 600+ water is useless.

[vestal bolt]

That's what happens in the pipes

[fierce ruin]

Holy shit why so many pumps?

Why pump AT ALL on a flat surface?

[vestal bolt]

The water don't wanna move

[fierce ruin]

Pumps have NOTHING to do with that.

[vestal bolt]

I'm just trying anything at this point

[fierce ruin]

Pumps are a water LIFT variable only.
They do nothing in regards to flowrate.

[vestal bolt]

Didn't know that

[fierce ruin]

Did you read the description of pumps?

[vestal bolt]

Yup

[fierce ruin]

Where does it say anything about flowrate at all in said description?

[vestal bolt]

No where honestly just thought they did

[fierce ruin]

"Can be attached to a Pipeline to apply Head Lift.
Maximum Head Lift: 20 meters.
(Allows fluids to be transported 20 meters upwards.)
Note: Has an in- and output direction.
Note: Head Lift does not stack, so space between Pumps is recommended."

Lift, Lift, more Lift.
Only Lift. Not seeing where the confusion happened 😭

[vestal bolt]

I only have 104 hours so I'm still learning

Anyways I get it now so how do I fix this issue with my plant

[fierce ruin]

How many generators per row do you have?

[vestal bolt]

I have one big row

[fierce ruin]

What mk of pipe are you using?

[vestal bolt]

1

[fierce ruin]

So you have 20 gens in a row and a single mk1 pipe feeding them all?

[vestal bolt]

Yeah

[patent briar]

A pipe can only move 300 kL/min

[fierce ruin]

1 gen needs 45 water/min

[patent briar]

Take a look at your generators and how much kL/min they consume (1 cubic meter is a kL)

[fierce ruin]

20 gens is 900 water/min
mk1 pipe is capped at 300/min

That's your issue

[vestal bolt]

I have 18 extractors

[fierce ruin]

You need only 7.5.

[patent briar]

The pipe cant move more than 300/min however

[vestal bolt]

I originally had 10

[patent briar]

above 5 extractors the pipe is now 100% loaded and cant move more

[fierce ruin]

It's not a water volume input issue.

It's a water volume throughput issue.

You're shoving more than 300 into a pipe that can't handle more than 300.

[vestal bolt]

Ok I see

How much can a mk2 handle

[fierce ruin]

590ish

[vestal bolt]

So how am I gonna make it work

[fierce ruin]

If you want them in a single line like that you need to stack your pipes and do an injection manifold.

Having the additional water drop into the system after enough has been used.

Which you can even do with mk1s.

[vestal bolt]

What's a injection manifold

[fierce ruin]

Sec.

[patent briar]

The super simple newb friendly system is just 1 extractor set to 75%, 1 pipe, 2 generators

And then just repeat that pattern

start with something simple like that

[vestal bolt]

So just set all my stuff to 75

[patent briar]

You need each extractor to have its own dedicated pipe

[fierce ruin]

Looks like this:

Redline is your main pipe.
After X number of gens, the green pipe drops into the red one to add more water to the system, then the blue one later and so on.

Just use valves before each injection point to prevent backflow.

[patent briar]

It works similiar to how belts do.

@vestal bolt think of it this way.

If you have a Mk1 belt feeding into a storage box (60 item/min limit), and you have 5x constructors feeding into the belt, and each constructor is making 20 items/min...

How many items/min will you see go into the box?

[vestal bolt]

3

[patent briar]

?

[vestal bolt]

I'm sorry I'm stupid

[patent briar]

Try again haha, no, 3 is definitely way too low

[fierce ruin]

20 gens needing 900 water the simplest way in my mind is just to do the following:
8 Extractors, 2 sets of 4 hooked up to mk2 pipes.
Injection point after 10 generators.

Single valve needed.

[patent briar]

you have 5 constructors. Each is making 20 items/min. They all go onto a single Mk1 belt, which can handle up to 60 items/min. This belt then feeds into a single container.

If you watch that container, how many items/min would you see @vestal bolt

[patent briar]

This is way advanced for this person and I think you are just confusing them

[vestal bolt]

Oh I misread it mb 60

I thought it was taking 20 items a minute

[patent briar]

Correct, so you see how 40 of that 100 items/min is not actually getting through right?

[fierce ruin]

I guess I will just shut up. 🤷‍♂️

[patent briar]

In fact even if you had a hundred constrcutors on that belt, you still would only get 60/min in the crate, because that one belt is the choke point right?

[vestal bolt]

No I actually really understood your thing

[vestal bolt]

So the mark of belt or pipe in this situation is the choke point

[patent briar]

exactly yup, so your pipe cant handle more than 300/min

Which means six generators will work on one full pipe (45 * 6 = 270)

But then you only have 30 water/min left in the pipe for that seventh generator at best, and then zero left over for everyone after that

[vestal bolt]

Ok let me try this real quick

Ok so iv Set up 8 extractors directly connected to the main line then 5 injected after 10 generator then after another 5 generators injected another line

[fierce ruin]

Valve directly before injection point, restrict flow to 30 and you'll be golden.

[vestal bolt]

Ok

Before in the main line or in the injected line

[fierce ruin]

Main line.

You don't want the injection to flow backwards on the main line.

[vestal bolt]

Ohh I see

[fierce ruin]

You can't think about pipes like belts.
You have to see them as a whole system because fluid just goes wherever you let it.

[vestal bolt]

So the valve not only stops the flow rate but also the direction

[fierce ruin]

Yes.

Setting the flow restriction isn't 100% necessary, but it makes the system a bit more reliable in my experience.

[vestal bolt]

Ok then thank you guys alot this helped me so much I didn't even know I could do half this stuff

[fierce ruin]

Do some reading on the pipe guide that McGalleon wrote.

You'll be using a lot of more advanced pipe techniques in later builds and higher tech levels.

[vestal bolt]

Ok

[patent briar]

@plush heron

[plush heron]

you make my brain hurt more.

[patent briar]

The left pipe is your output pipe you feed in.

The middle pipe is your "recycled" water pipe, you connect the output of your aluminum to that.

And the top/far right pipe is your "fresh" water input, connect your extractors to that

[plush heron]

that would have been good to know, 1 1/2 ago

[patent briar]

What this does is it makes sure the "recycled" water gets used first, then the "Fresh" water only gets used when "recycled" water runs out

[plush heron]

so feed the extractors into the top one, and the output into the bottom?>

[patent briar]

exactly yup

[plush heron]

power switches save the day

[patent briar]

Bottom pipes get prioritized first over top fed pipes

[plush heron]

like this? please tell me i did this right

[patent briar]

Did you do it like this? If so, all good!

[plush heron]

LETS GOO

how can i increase flow rate

because now im not getting enough water to my refineries down the line

[patent briar]

More pipes basically

[plush heron]

oh ok.

[patent briar]

Mk2 pipes can only move 600 fluid/min

So if you need more than 600/min, you need more pipes

[plush heron]

yeah i need 720 per minute

[patent briar]

You'll want two pipes then yup

[plush heron]

im gonna deal with this shit tomorrow

but thanks for the help :)

@patent briar wuold this work to move 720 liquid

or do i need a second thing

[patent briar]

This spot here still wont be able to have more than 600/min through it

[plush heron]

im gonna asum i need a second thing

[patent briar]

You need to straight up make 2 of these is all there is to it

[plush heron]

im gonna build a second thing

[patent briar]

Yeah build 2 of em and just connect half your refineries to one of em, and half to the other

[plush heron]

ye

[patent briar]

Basically you will have 2 seperate loops

[plush heron]

alright im finishing this tomorrow

dont have jetpack fuel and im out of copper sheets

[near zenith]

k, quick question about the 600m^3 pipe flow bug, is it a static amount lost, or does it fluctuate in terms of fluids delivered per minute?

Context: I've got nuc reactors cranked up to 250% to lower the space requirments, and i've got each hooked up to 5 regular water extractors below. Should I lower the reactor OC down to like, 240 or so to deal with the pipe problem?

fuel rod production and waste management is set up to deal with 250, so there might end up being a bit of backlog created on the production side, but i'm not concerned aboutthat as i have buffers built in for transporting nuclear materials and stuff anyway

also, i havent turned it on yet, so i have no idea if it even works to begin with, but i'm coming to the end of spending the last 2 weeks building the whole setup so figured i should check lol

[frosty owl]

There is 1 bug (different from the max flow issues) that will cause your generators to starve at 250%: the load loss bug
Each time you load the game each machine takes in a bit of "extra" fluid it shouldn't, so any pipe providing an exact amount will eventually run dry (machines will starve for a moment when loading the game)

[near zenith]

ohhhh, it's a gameload problem not a consistent problem like belts?

[frosty owl]

You can have pipes deliver 600/min, but that can be bothersome too xD

[fierce ruin]

It is a consistent problem as well. Trying to do exactly 600/min is not going to end well in the vast majority of cases.

[frosty owl]

Gameload issue. Machines seem to have an input buffer that doesn't get saved. About ~5m of fluid per input connector

[near zenith]

hmmm, iight, i'll drop it to 245 and build in some extra batteries just in case to smooth over anything. But also, i'm not about to spend this new 180GW of production at once so this seems like it'll be a future me problem

[frosty owl]

Just make sure you know where possible overflows might happen due to how you set things up

Eg: don't get surprised if you clock your generators at 250%, the load bug makes them starve, they pile up nuclear rods and your nuclear factory eventually becomes a radioactive mess simply becouse you didn't add an overflow for the rods 😆

I know you don't want to do 250% anymore, it's just an example

[near zenith]

oh, i prebuilt a nuc materials sink already

i know the entire thing's going to blow up in my face, i've seen the kibitz struggle 😛

[frosty owl]

That's what I'm saying: keeping things under control means avoiding "explosions"

I mean no disrespect, but Kibitz F'd up, so let's learn from him ahahah

[near zenith]

GASPS you speak against our lord and savior Kib of Itz?

you're the reason he's abandoned us to timberborn and Cities:Skylines, heretic

[frosty owl]

Honestly speaking, we have quite different design preferences 😆
Though I did enjoy quite a few of his videos ^^

[vast jungle]

I think everyone has its own design philosophy... or is in the process of finding one

[frosty owl]

I'm inclined into thinking that most people following after you tubers are still finding their own ^^

[fierce ruin]

Following Tubers.

[vast jungle]

I made my last factory (a battery factory) similar to a space station... with everything walled up within glass barriers... including resource nodes and the train station 😉

still thinking about a factory where different floors are not 90° aligned... but transferring the items between them would be a headache

[frosty owl]

Eh, not too much if a headache if you leave yourself areas big enough for your inter-floor logistics
They'll definetly take a bit more space for alignment for sure

[vast jungle]

this looks like a quite easy way to get Fused Modular Frames
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=V9eq69sWrkKrnvl8wOZr

[thorn bane]

i actually like heat fused frame so much
it gives resource efficiency at he cost of complexity like a good alt recipe should be
bringing fuel nitric acid and bauxite together is such an interesting challenge and you actually get rewarded with lower resources AND lower building count
thats how every min max recipe should be
i generally just like alt recipes that use higher tier materials for lower tier stuff (like nitric acid for FMFs)

[fierce ruin]

Heat is the one I use as well.

[feral nova]

@near zenith i also ran into that bug on my fuel gens. It affects all liquids so you might want to check coal and fuel power. After I noticed the fuel problem I went back to my older coal plants and found my water buffers suffering too. I set 2 gens in each branch to 99% (over clocking input would actually cost more power in the long run).

I let each one refill its buffer and turned them back on one-by- one. Seems to be working.

[near zenith]

appreciate the thought, but my current turbofuel is running on 300 pipes, so shouldn't be a problem except for the loading bug, but i've got enough batteries that anything that would cause it to wiggle will average out over time

[timber sparrow]

Is my math right? I need 120k Automated Wiring to produce 4k Assembly Director Systems?

[fierce ruin]

60k

[timber sparrow]

ooh I forgot about the Production Planner

[fierce ruin]

That's not from the planner...

That's just basic math from the recipe.

[feral nova]

Mine were on the 300's too, so it was only the loading bug. You could always work around it by never turning off the game 👍

[timber sparrow]

Yeah but I should use the planner instead of notepad.exe

[fierce ruin]

🗒️ 🖊️

[near zenith]

that's my kind of bug fix, approved

[feral nova]

By the way, batteries won't deplete if you're not fully loading them. So instead you'll have a slowly cascading failure of generators until you hit the consumption line.

[near zenith]

although, thinking back, this does explain why my system of 667 tf/min going to 666 tf consumption per min was always seeming like it jittered too much, every load was deleting stuff and it could never keep up

[feral nova]

Another workaround: just use biogens 👍

[fierce ruin]

#BiomassTillNuclear

[near zenith]

deforestation is the new meta

[ashen girder]

New meta same as the old meta.

[feral nova]

I figure they'll fix it eventually, so I'll just pop the clocks back up to 100 later.

[near zenith]

by the time they fix it we'll be pumping vacuum energy out of the void and not worry about little power jiggles measured in sub petawatts

[feral nova]

But muh efficiencies!

[fierce ruin]

I highly doubt we will get any additions to the current power infrastructure.

[near zenith]

i see your doubt, and i choose to ignore it, BECAUSE THE VOID BECKONS

[ashen girder]

You can't take my hope away that we get fusion.

[fierce ruin]

We don't need fusion.

[near zenith]

you don't need fusion

i wanna make big boy nobelisks

[fierce ruin]

Also converting Uranium into Plutonium is sort of fusing things...

[ashen girder]

We don't need fusion at all, you're right.

But I wants it.

We have water. Give us a magic mumbo jumbo building that lets us turn water into tritium and give us fusion reactors!

Wanna build a tokamak.

[near zenith]

dude, imagine a modular tokamak you can build yourself

we already have curved halfpipes, we just need plasma

[vast jungle]

IKEA stellarator... With a million wooden pins

[near zenith]

you get a free hex wrench with every purchase of 4 superconducting magnets

[vast jungle]

And imagine having to build the complicated shape of the stellarator yourself...

Google for "Wendelstein 7x" if you don't know what I mean 😉

[near zenith]

oh i'm aware of twistyboi

[ashen girder]

My base already looks like this though.

[vast jungle]

A Lego model would be insane

[ashen girder]

This one's like a crazy snake.

[vast jungle]

Still, in terms of the games fusion power doesn't make much sense

[ashen girder]

Why not?

[near zenith]

all i want is a RTG addon for the explorer

someone call nasa and get us one

[vast jungle]

Unless phase 5 space elevator is sending up 1 tw continuous power up there lift

[ashen girder]

..that's actually kind of a great idea.

[vast jungle]

Have you seen how fast NASA rovers move?

[near zenith]

yea, that's fair, what about a jetbooster addon

and then it transforms in midair and grows wings

[vast jungle]

"turbo boost"button ? 😉

[near zenith]

nyoomzoom

[fringe pawn]

For all we know final space elevator parts will be 5k average 7.5k peak power consumption particle accelerator recipes. And maybe we don't get more power options, in which case power efficiency becomes a much bigger concern to small builds and planetary builds.

RIP+nitric acid+SAM into the particle accelerator to make ultra plates. Or whatever.

[frosty owl]

I imagine a possible SF fusion reactor being kinda like an accelerator but with energy as the end product: drains massive amounts of energy to boot the fusion, then outputs more energy either in a burst or over time

[near zenith]

They have the variable energy production in place with geysers already, would defo be viable

[cloud swan]

what's the ratio of refineries to fuel generators?

[wind spade]

depends on recipe

[cloud swan]

I think it's the one that leaves the blue pallets

[sand hare]

The Satisfactory wiki is your friend for that mind of planning

[cloud swan]

so this gives me the fuel production required in m³/min

[wintry aurora]

@fierce ruin How would you sushi truck route something that sends aluminium ingots, batteries, Al casings, plastic, and rubber to a place? The only thing coming from the other direction is copper ingots (for the casings), but I'm going to do a separate route. I also need to transport fuel over, but I'm just gonna pipe that over.

[fierce ruin]

What is happening at the place?

[wintry aurora]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=XJ8o4yDQ5hm3x4RWPNUj The space elevator part automation thing. The thing is that I have the oil based stuff and the aluminium separate from the other stuff, so, I have to bring all of the oil based and aluminium stuff over.

[fierce ruin]

On principle I cannot help you automate Project Parts 😭

[wintry aurora]

Left side, the oil and aluminium stuff, right side, everything else.

[wintry aurora]

I don't need help automating, I'm just wondering about the sushi method.

[fierce ruin]

What's the total throughput you're trying to truck?

[wintry aurora]

Al casing is 66/m Al ingot 120/m, battery 57.5, copper ingot (for the casing, I'm thinking of doing this separately) 82.3333, plastic 16.11, rubber is 206.153. @fierce ruin

[fierce ruin]

You're going to make me add that myself... 😭

[wintry aurora]

You asked for the numbers.

[fierce ruin]

No. I asked for total throughput.

Single number 😂

[wintry aurora]

Thought a breakdown would be helpful?

[fierce ruin]

Not if you're mixing and the total is less than 780.

[wintry aurora]

The total is well under 780.

[fierce ruin]

In which case you can do that with 1 route and just keep it on 1 belt coming out of the station and just sushi manifold it down the line.

[wintry aurora]

What about belting all of it initially? As it's gonna flood.

I mean into the station.

But I'll give it an attempt.

[fierce ruin]

Belt all of it into the station.
Use as many trucks as you need on the route to stop the station from backing up.

[wintry aurora]

'k

Gonna use explorers though

[timid cradle]

I just updated my splitter calculator to now be able to work completely from the command line, also an option to output a simple JSON, and better decimal support. It's not much, but it has improved functionality so I figured I'd share.

[brave notch]

is this shape doable in Satisfactory ?

[wind spade]

kinda yes I guess

[vast jungle]

yes, should be possible... slight (5°) rotated floors and beams to connect the edges.
just transfer of items might be a bit complicated, but nothing a bit of space can solve

[vast jungle]

@brave notch #screenshots message
What do you think?

[brave notch]

Yes, it's going to look like the good starting shape

You do what, 1 mousewheel roll by stage ?

[vast jungle]

Yes, aber metal beams to cover the space between

I tried it with a 9*9 grid

[frosty owl]

Found someone who knows about the pogger split on Reddit. What a surprise~

[frosty owl]

That can depend heavily on how you belt your stuff and place your storages to accommodate the incoming loads of items ^^

[fierce ruin]

BEAMS

[fierce ruin]

Let me know how it works out?

[vast jungle]

I made a prototype: #screenshots message

[fierce ruin]

Noice

[vast jungle]

get a LOT of steel beams with you when you try 😉

[fierce ruin]

My steel outpost gives me 180/min so I'm good.

[vast jungle]

I had to go back because for the rest of the rectangle because I only took 1000 steel beams with me

[fierce ruin]

Here's one that is tickling my brain but I don't have time to solve it atm:

If Sulfur is your limiting factor, is it better to build Batteries or Turbofuel in terms of running a Truck? (Numbers, not just a "obv this one")

[wintry aurora]

I just let it drain out into the sink

[vast jungle]

Turbofuel should be better...

one Battery contains more than 1 Sulfur... and Turbofuel contains LESS than 1 Sulfur

(assuming you use the normal "Turbofuel" recipe)

[wintry aurora]

Throughput wise, it’s working fine and I’m using four vehicles to maximize it. Production wise, I haven’t gotten to the point of finding out yet

[frosty owl]

Easiest solution 👍
Just make sure you machines can get the stuff properly before items reach the sink and you should be golden 😁

[wintry aurora]

I’m using programmable splitters.

[fierce ruin]

Turbo Blend or I uninstall. 🙂

[vast jungle]

1 sulfur => 1 Compacted Coal => 1.183 Turbofuel

wait... range...

1.5 sulfur => 1 Battery

battery has 3 times the range of Turbofuel!

so battery is better?

[wintry aurora]

Batteries ftw!

[fierce ruin]

I'm looking at it. Got a break in patients so I can do it.

Wow....

They are perfectly equal if you use Turbo Blend....

[wintry aurora]

What about the batteries alts, could that affect it?

[fierce ruin]

Sulfur

1:2 Turbo Blend
3:2 Classic Battery

But then the burn time for Turbo to Battery is 1:3

So the 2's cancel and you have Sulfur to Burn

1:1 Turbo Blend
3:3 Battery

[wintry aurora]

Not sure what you’re looking at for range.

[fierce ruin]

That's either genius or evil from CSS.

[wintry aurora]

Checking sulfur ratios.

!wikisearch battery

[shadow prairie]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?query=battery

[fierce ruin]

Sulfur Ratios are above.

1:2 for Turbo Blend, 3:2 for Classic Battery

Battery takes 3x the Suflur but burns exactly 3x longer than Turbo.
So they are equal if Sulfur is your limiting factor.

[frosty owl]

One could even use smart splitters, the point is not ending up with combinations of rules and output belts' MK that don't work for your needs ^^
||Eg: needing 60/mim exactly of something and assuming splitting those off by setting a smart splitter on "Item" for the required output (with MK1 belt) and "Overflow" for the line to keep going. Depending on your specific belting choices, there can be some nuances||

Maybe I'm just overthinking it

[fierce ruin]

You? Overthink?

Never... 😏

[wintry aurora]

I guess I could have, not sure why I went with programmable splitters instead of smart. I’m using one for each item anyway.

[fierce ruin]

oof

[wintry aurora]

It’s not that big.

[near zenith]

is there a simpler way to calculate a radioactivity bubble size than to just sum up all the individual stacks and scalar sum them? trying to figure out how far my nuc power plant control tower needs to be from the main uranium/plutonoium processing

[wintry aurora]

Sending the belts under the floor anyway (and learned my lesson from last time and provided ample space)

[fierce ruin]

True, splitters are all the same size. 😛

[near zenith]

like, i know on the wiki there's the equation and stats for individual stacks, and then i can just roll from that

but that's like, work

[frosty owl]

If you don't lack the items needed to build them, I don't think it hurts to have a pogger rather than a smart. It can be annoying to be in the reverse situation instead, since you would need to replace the whole splitter+belts 😆

[fierce ruin]

Just build for max bubble size and you're good.

[near zenith]

so, other edge of the map?

[wintry aurora]

Manufacturers are going to be a bit of a puzzle, have t decided how I want to do it, send some a level above and vertically stack to like dedicate a floor because I have a whole lot to make, 50 total ish.

[fierce ruin]

👏 Mix 👏 your 👏 belt 👏

[wintry aurora]

I’d still have to make 50; mixing belts doesn’t change that.

[fierce ruin]

2 rows of 25. Simple 🙂

[wintry aurora]

I have the resources, just need to decide how I want to do it.

[sand hare]

What's mixing belts? Adding more than one item to a belt?

[wintry aurora]

I could be overthinking, I dunno.

[fierce ruin]

If you can come up with another definition I will applaud you.

[frosty owl]

More than one item KIND

[sand hare]

Mixing different levels of belts

[frosty owl]

Some do fall in that misconception

[wintry aurora]

That’d be a belt cable.

[fierce ruin]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[sand hare]

I want my applause now

[wintry aurora]

Though it’s more like spaghetti, if anything.

[fierce ruin]

If you hate yourself I guess that definition can work... Maybe.

[waxen hatch]

I'm out of apple sauce

[fierce ruin]

Single clap. 👏

[sand hare]

But for that to work you have to make sure nothing gets stacked up downstream, sink all the excess

[frosty owl]

@wintry aurora if you modify the factory plan to only show the production you'll be making, I'd be interested in hearing/helping out how you wanna set the thing up

[fierce ruin]

You do understand this is the core of everything I build in the game, right?

[wintry aurora]

That is how you make it work @sand hare

[fierce ruin]

Hence | Title.

[frosty owl]

Eg: add the finished products you're bringing in and such

[sand hare]

I understand nothing of yours

[fierce ruin]

Sushi Manifolds are entirely predicated on mixed belts.

[sand hare]

What's sushi got to do with anything? There are no fish in the game

[wintry aurora]

I can show the portion I’m working on in a bit.

[fierce ruin]

Ok so I can't even have this conversation if you're not understanding basic terms. 🤷‍♂️

[frosty owl]

Generally speaking, yes. Which is a thing I think ome should try achieving in the first place ^^ (in the "idle factory" Vs "always running factory" debate, I'm on the latter side)

[wintry aurora]

Ever been to a sushi restraunr?

[sand hare]

No, but I've seen them on tv. You mean that giant conveyer belt?

[frosty owl]

It refers to sushi restaurants' belts transporting different dishes 😆 👍

[sand hare]

Ah, I see

[frosty owl]

*IDLE factory VS Always working factory 🤦

[sand hare]

Lol that makes more sense. I am leaning towards always working just so I can see resource allocation in real time

[wintry aurora]

I figured it was putting different sushi on a plate, but that works.

[ebon crater]

wats an idle factory?

is it just a factory thats not always running?

[fierce ruin]

Sounds like a mobile game tbh.

[sand hare]

If you can think of any other definition Sevrahn will give you a half-assed applause

[fierce ruin]

I mean you're in the math-meta channel without the basic terminology in your toolbox, so idk what kind of response you wanted from me. 🙃

[wintry aurora]

First though, some layout to give an idea of the area: @frosty owl Quartz stuff on top of the refineries (copper sheet), left to right, circuits on the top levels, AI limter, quickwire in back there, wire, steel smelters. Pipes are just offscreen.

[fierce ruin]

"What's a mixed belt" -- please go to #old-questions-and-help and return at a later time. 🙂

[fierce ruin]

Pretty.

[wintry aurora]

Down below, I have plenty of room horizontially,

[sand hare]

Don't be mean. I told you I have a neuro divergent brain, which means I have to ask things which are obvious to others.

[fierce ruin]

👍

[wintry aurora]

Bluh, the satiscalc changed the numbers on me.

[fierce ruin]

ECKS DEE

[frosty owl]

Once a factory is wholly designed with the idea of having it "always running", mixed belt can become very convenient to use.
To clarify the "effects" a bit, since it seems as if you've never used them yet: you make your logistics more complex and in turn can cut down on the number of belts required and generally have a "neater" beltwork (ofc, preferences play a role too)

[ebon crater]

wot?

[sand hare]

It was a joke

[ebon crater]

im here to learn ._.

[fierce ruin]

Do you have a particular question?

[sand hare]

I've done it when I want to transport 2 things in a train cart. That worked nicely

[ebon crater]

what an idle factory is?

[fierce ruin]

Someone playing the game wrong.

[ebon crater]

reffering to this

[fierce ruin]

If your factory isn't working, why make it in the first place?

[ebon crater]

i thought maybe it was a factory you could turn off to conserve power

[frosty owl]

Anytime you have 2 belts going in the same directions and less than half full, you can optimize on beltwork by mixing
This scales very nicely when dealing with manifacturers

[fierce ruin]

Turning off is different. That's a non-powered factory.

[ebon crater]

ok...

so waht is idle factory?

[fierce ruin]

Idle factories work on the premise of Yellow Lights.

[ebon crater]

just one that doesent work?

[frosty owl]

So the empty space is for all the manifacturing?

[fierce ruin]

And if you intentionally have Yellow Lights I do not wish to speak with you. Ever.

[ebon crater]

oh ok

[sand hare]

It means it produced too much and is waiting

[ebon crater]

yeah i understand yelow lights

[fierce ruin]

Idle Factories are based on having the factory back up and stall out when storage is full, resuming only when you take items out of storage.

Which is just... kill me.

[wintry aurora]

Empty space is just what I haven't used yet, heh. I plan as I go along, more or less.

[ebon crater]

im just waiting for mk2 then i can make the yellows go away... in the meantime i shut down half of it

[frosty owl]

It's one that results from designing things so that "when my storage is full, the machines just back up and stop producing"

[ebon crater]

so instead you send the items to a sink?

[fierce ruin]

Always. That's the basis of proper storage.
Overflow gets sunk.

[ebon crater]

** the overflow

yeah

[fierce ruin]

Everything in your entire factory or network of factories should always keep moving.

[ebon crater]

alright. but how do you make overflow without smart splitters?

[fierce ruin]

I don't understand the question.

[sand hare]

You cant

[fierce ruin]

How do you make overflow without the thing you use to make overflow?

I am confused.

[ebon crater]

what if you dont have smart splitters unlocked to send the overflow a difrent way?

exactly. so idle factories are a nessesary evil early game

[fierce ruin]

You will/should have smarts very, very far and away before you get to building your central storage building.

Early game?

[frosty owl]

Given how much free space you have below... I would suggest throwing in a smidge of mixed belt balancing for at least some of the slowest manifacturers, depending on wether you appreciate the effects of balancing or not

[fierce ruin]

Game doesn't start until you unlock mk5s.

[sand hare]

Yeah, everything before mk5s are just a tutorial

[ebon crater]

alright sure i guess

80 hour tutorial 😢

[fierce ruin]

T1-4 is prologue. T5-6 is tutorial.

T7-8 is when the game starts. 🙂

[ebon crater]

well im enjoying myself at t1 so im just gona keep doing my thing

[fierce ruin]

Everything you think you have in the first 4 tiers of the game will be completely destroyed and replaced when you get to T7-8.

[fierce ruin]

Do so. I am not saying to speed-run by any means.
Prologue is very enjoyable.

[sand hare]

Yes, it took me that long to figure out how everything works, that's normal

[wintry aurora]

Thing though is that I'm doing some that are in pretty big chunks, and this area has most of it

[ebon crater]

yeah no i dont want to. just saying that i wont get non-idle factories for a while

[fierce ruin]

You don't intentionally build them though.
You're just building and they happen.

If you're building factories to intentionally stall out when you get to mk5s that is entirely different.

[wintry aurora]

Oh and, the layout: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=k2RDg2wZYy1vrVtbMGOF

[ebon crater]

wdym stall

[fierce ruin]

Yellow lights. No overflow. We went over this like 4 minutes ago.

[frosty owl]

I don't see the issue in reference to what I suggested
I just meant that balancing the machines that would otherwise take long spooling times could take very little effort given your spacing ^^

Also, having such a spacious underfloor allows you pretty much any machine placement you might prefer~

[wintry aurora]

yea....

[frosty owl]

"If storage full, factory stops" design

[fierce ruin]

Put floor on ground.
Clip all underbelts through the dirt since you won't see them anyway. 😛

[ebon crater]

no we went over idle. how am i supposed to know stall = idle?

[frosty owl]

The idle part is the result of how you designed the factory

[fierce ruin]

"Idle Factories are based on having the factory back up and stall out when storage is full"

"Idle Factories are based on having the factory back up and stall out when storage is full"

[ebon crater]

alright

[wintry aurora]

If the output is backed up for one reason ro another, then it's stalled.

[ebon crater]

i skipped a word

my bad

have a nice day

[fierce ruin]

I will do my best.

[sand hare]

You're good, don't take his antics personally

[frosty owl]

Reminder to tune down the Tugboat every now and then

[fierce ruin]

Antics is a strong word.

[fierce ruin]

He wishes he was on my level.
That's why I have YOU here.

[frosty owl]

I guess I was late then

[fierce ruin]

I rely on you and Zyra to slap me occasionally 🙂

[frosty owl]

On the wrist, ofc
"Real" slaps happen when the mods step in, so let's try keeping it at the wrists

[fierce ruin]

It's moreso a "remind me when I am assuming how much people know" slap. 🙂

[thorn bane]

i still think idle factories > sink btw
its basically free power

[fierce ruin]

🖕

❤️

You play the game wrong but you're the only person who does it that I respect. 🙂

[frosty owl]

Unused power is wasted power imo 😆

Like, the only way to actually use resources getting nothing in return

||Other than manually deleting items that is||

[thorn bane]

well thats why you just make less power

[frosty owl]

That's useful only if one aims to produce a set amount of items though (in which case, it makes sense to have parts of your factories offline to save power thus time building power if they have completed their task)

But if you aim for any continuous production, having idle factories shouldn't be a plus as it would mean your production has issues

[thorn bane]

well it just regulates the power usage to your demand
if youre using 30 HMFs in an hour but producing 120HMF then the average power consumption will be 25%
and since milestones and building costs are pretty much the only requirements until late lategame i dont really see a reason not to

[frosty owl]

That's all under the perspective of "I only need up to X amount of this item" ^^
If you go for item/min, it makes little sense to have your lines stop to save power since in the long run you want all your factory to work, not just some parts at one time

[fierce ruin]

Did someone say Project Parts?

[frosty owl]

No

[fierce ruin]

😦

[thorn bane]

but then it just wont stop?
its not like removing a sink makes it impossible to get x items/min

and if your items are going to the sink it does mean that youre wasting power

[frosty owl]

Comparing using resources to produce power you're not using Vs using it to get coupons makes me feel like only the former is a waste ^^

[frosty owl]

Removing the sink means a factory is designed with the idea of "I need to make up to a certain amount of items", which naturally doesn't contrast with the idea of having idle factories

[fierce ruin]

@wind spade Is there a way to make lines on your tool consider what the other is using?
Like if I do a line from Map Limits and make a second one for a different item can it set "Map Limits - Other Line's Consumption of Ores" or am I reaching beyond my grasp with this concept?

[wintry aurora]

As in having different sets of production plans that aren't connected to each other, but are within the same plan?

[fierce ruin]

Yes.

[supple belfry]

This right here is ultimately why I usually end up planning on paper. The Tools website is wonderful for discreet product lines, but makes meta level understanding of my production feel entirely unmanageable

[thorn bane]

i dont maximize but have a a fixed goal but i just input my smaller factories as extra for my main planner

[near zenith]

yea, it'd be nice to have a "set products of tab as inputs for new tab" type button

and to autochange the maplimited raw inputs based on another tab as well

[wind spade]

So essentially the same as if you would put all the production goals in same production line?

[fierce ruin]

Yes, but this lets me control using some alts for one line and not using them for another.

Because in some outposts I use Iron Alloy so I have to disable Pure, but in others I use Pure.
Impossible to tell it when to use which at the moment.

[wind spade]

Yeah I get that, just checking. There's a future plan for allowing production from one line be input to another, so I guess I could add your request to it

[fierce ruin]

PoGcHaMp

[wind spade]

The new overview feature doesn't help with that? 🤔

[thorn bane]

casual 'option to split machines in 2' when

[wind spade]

Wdym?

[near zenith]

odd numbers of machines is pain

[fierce ruin]

@wind spade main reason it came up was I had my Heat Fused Frames line setup, then I went to set up my Cooling Device line and I was like "how much Baux do I actually have left for this thing?"

[near zenith]

37.2 = 36 + 2*0.6 please

[wind spade]

Hmm

What if it's like one machine?

[fierce ruin]

37.2 is completely fine.

[wind spade]

This doesn't work with cycles

[thorn bane]

cycles?
just make it so you can choose what to split it into

[wind spade]

e.g. recycled loop

[thorn bane]

im not saying do this automatically
give us an option to do this manually

[wind spade]

Hmm 🤔 I'll see what I can do about it. It's not as easy

[wind spade]

Also why not 37 + 1×0.2? 😛

[near zenith]

cause even rows of machines are :chefskiss:

why you make me explain this

who likes unsymmetric things

[flint lagoon]

I do. But that's why end up fixing symmetric things engineers did.

[near zenith]

heretic, burn the witch

[fierce ruin]

37 + 1x0.2 is the same 38 machines that 36 + 2x0.6 is.

[near zenith]

ok, so math choice, not the best example

[fierce ruin]

🙃

[near zenith]

36.2 = 34 + 4*.55

now i feel better

[fierce ruin]

Or just 28x0.95 + 10x0.96

Saves more power.

[thorn bane]

power

[fierce ruin]

POWA

16x2.2625 for more power less buildings 🙂

[wind spade]

That's actually something that the tool will soon be able to do

[wind spade]

Replied to wrong message, I meant this one ofc

[fierce ruin]

That's fair.

[wind spade]

It's just what will be shown in the hover text

[fierce ruin]

Well now I know that, hence reply deleted 😛

Your misclick had me thinking it would alter recipe choice based on MW.

[wind spade]

Yeah power optimisations will be a thing as well, everything will be configurable tho

[fierce ruin]

Catering to the people who play the game wrong.... 😏

[wind spade]

There's no wrong way to play the game

[fierce ruin]

If POWER is a consideration in any of your decisions, you're building power wrong. 🙂

[wind spade]

Early game builds?

[fierce ruin]

Game doesn't start until you unlock mk5s.

🙃

(You had to know that reply was coming.)

[oblique hollow]

Game "starts" with oil

[fierce ruin]

Thats when you exit the prologue and start the tutorial.

[oblique hollow]

And the actual tutorial is the into to the prologue?

And the actual intro is.... A pre-intro?

[fierce ruin]

Onboarding
Prologue
Tutorial

Game Start
Finish Space Elevator
Offboarding 😉

Whole game is a boarding sandwich. 😉

[oblique hollow]

Offboarding, is that what the kids call "perishing" these days

[fierce ruin]

Or the descent into madness when you start super projects.

Like making a website tool that plays the game for you so you don't have to.

😏😏😏

[wintry aurora]

I’ve had that similar feeling of wanting to link plans before too.

Cool though that something like that will be coming to the planner soon.

[fierce ruin]

I prefer to Zelda my plans.

[wintry aurora]

Not sure what you mean by that. Never played any of the Zelda games.

[fierce ruin]

Means I get a Link to do it for me while I sit in my castle. 😂

[wind spade]

well, "soon" may be a few months, but I'll try 😛

[fierce ruin]

^ Link.

[frosty owl]

It only links to your profile...

Self promo?!?

[wintry aurora]

Looks like I underestimated how much fuel I need. Time to OC stuff.

[tidal meadow]

Whats the most effective way to merge a single resource into a single pool without loosing a lot of speed?
Best idea I've had so far is industrial storage containers but Idk if there's a easier way

[wintry aurora]

Actually, looks like polymer residue decided to clog?

[near zenith]

it's always the polymers

[wintry aurora]

oof, the fused modular frame is taking an eternity and a half to fill up manifolds, even though the input is full.

[wind spade]

Why not normal merger?

[tidal meadow]

I thought storage container split evenly
Only just realized it doesn't work that way

[wind spade]

It doesn't, but also you talked about merging

[tidal meadow]

Yeah
I want to be able to take thing like all my iron ore, send it to a single set of storage containers then have them murge before splitting off again
Issue with the normal way of doing that is the single conveyerbelt bottleneck
So was curious if there are any designs that work better to achieve the same result

[wind spade]

Usually people don't merge everything. I'd recommend using each miner directly instead of merging them all into one place

[tidal meadow]

Is it to make things more orginized?

[wind spade]

It is to not deal with the issues you have

[tidal meadow]

aaah

welp
Guess I have to change my plans around
Thx

[wintry aurora]

How do I get it to prioritize input from the drone port on the right over the one on top? So much for my attempt at a recycling program (yea I know, heresy, in a game with infinite resources and no real incentive to recycle, right?), though maybe a drone based transport isn't the best way to do it, I dunno.

[wind spade]

technically trucks or trains can be used to create priority mergers

though the question is why

[wintry aurora]

The why is creating a recycling system, because i want to.

[wind spade]

fair. Then what I said is the only method I'm aware of

[oblique hollow]

Recycling canisters is ok because it saves you on items/min needed to produce canisters and stuff

So recycling in an infinite resource game still has a benefit: you need less new stuff and can therefore use that elsewhere

[wintry aurora]

Yea, I had the idea of reusing them to make a closed loop of sorts, just need a proper merger priority.

[thorn bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4WCHx1W0KY
you can make it so it only takes a canister every 1000 hours if you have enough space 🤷

[wintry aurora]

Is there a compact version of that though?

[thorn bane]

i mean its always gonna be somewhat big

this is the best i came up with

uses a canister every 1915 years if you use 60/min

[rose steeple]

Priority mergers?

[thorn bane]

if you have two inputs it it will chose the first input before taking any from the second input

[rose steeple]

How is that possible when mergers take from each input...

[thorn bane]

if you would watch the video....

[rose steeple]

kekw

[wintry aurora]

Wait, I don't want infinite storage almost two thousand years. I just want one that works the way DSP does, prioritize x first and if there is a space, then let y through.

I'm tired though.

[thorn bane]

this prioritizes x first and if there is space it lets y through
but it also lets 1 y through every millennia cause its not 100% perfect

[rose steeple]

Pretty old of a video

[wintry aurora]

Oh

How the heck do you calculate that it would spillover ~once a millenia???

[thorn bane]

every splitter makes it 1/2 that it gets chosen
so with 2 splitters its 1/4 with 3 1/8
i got 24 of em so thats 2^(6*4)
so if you input 60/min you get 1 canister every 10^9 min

can realistically probably build it a bit smaller but i just liked the 4x4x3

[wintry aurora]

How big would a million year one need to be?

[rose steeple]

Isnt it possible to just use regular smart splitters, or even programmable splitters?

[wintry aurora]

Just randomly off.....

[thorn bane]

well its x2 every time so not really that much bigger

[wintry aurora]

There's no MERGE priority

[rose steeple]

I know but wouldnt it be possible to make one with smart splitters or programmable splitters?

[thorn bane]

9 more splitters+mergers for 1 million years

[rose steeple]

So you're making a timer?

Using splitters

[wintry aurora]

Billion year timer….. nah

[rose steeple]

Maybe a timer that would tell you when to go to bed kekw

[fringe pawn]

Are people testing the half-life of the game's radioactive materials?

[thorn bane]

but ye something that doesnt let y through and something that only lets y through every 2000 years are pretty much identical in my oppinion
and these 48 splitters/mergers are still smaller than 2 train stations or 2 truck stations

[oblique hollow]

Technically there is for slower belt speeds

The ol ' 50% / 33%' rule

[cedar ivy]

what's that rule?

[thorn bane]

is this useful in anyway?
it seems to 'remember' how much quartz/min to output

[oblique hollow]

Whenever you have a merger with 2 different mk belts connected, the slowest belt takes priority (partially)

If the output belt can do, say, 180/mim, then any belt that supplies less than or equal to 90/min takes priority over faster belts

So anything <= 180/2

Since its 2 belts

For 3 inputs its <= 180/3, so <=60

And i do mean 180. Not potential 270 of a mk 3 belt. It depends on how much the output can actually take

[rose steeple]

Then you end up with a single mk5 belt and a mk4?

[oblique hollow]

Uh.... In what way

Its a simple "equal input order priority" rule

[thorn bane]

but its not prioritizing
its just not getting enough stuff from the belt

[oblique hollow]

20 + 60 = 90

Theres more than enough

[wind spade]

in my universe 20+60 is 80

[oblique hollow]

Oops

Well not anymore

[thorn bane]

well its trying to take 35 from the belt but it cant since it only provides 20

[oblique hollow]

Uh yes. Thats the point. Even though the mk 1 shoves in 60, it doesnt get full priority

That mk 1 will now start backing up

It could just as well be a mk 5 with 780 / min

[thorn bane]

idk thats like saying a splitter in a manifold prioritizes the other machines (60) over the 1 machine (30)
not really what i understand by saying 'prioritizes'

[oblique hollow]

Ok then its what, overflow for mergers?

Underflow?

[thorn bane]

yes

[rose steeple]

Yeah sure, but like some people usually build with the lowest mk belt they can so you'd end up with different mk belts at times.

[thorn bane]

ok im lost
this gives 60 quartz/min (top 2 are mk2 bottom is mk1)
if i upgrade the top 2 belts to 270 im only getting 54/min

ah ye its always 4 limestone +1 quartz
so its only outputting 270/5 = 54/min
i guess the assumption that it always uses up to input belt/2 is wrong

[fierce ruin]

If I had to venture a guess I'd say it is similar to mixing belt speeds on splitters from what you've shown.

The thing is cycling M/L/R for inputs, and just like splitters cycling that for output, if the speeds are different then what happens varies based on what is on the belt when its cycle is up.

🤷‍♂️

[thorn bane]

yes since with 270/min output it takes 0.222s to complete a cycle the quartz every 1s has to wait for the 1.111s cycle of 5 items

[rose steeple]

Wouldnt the same thing happen in factorio

[oblique hollow]

So its 4+ 1 for x cycles then its 4 + 2 or something?

[thorn bane]

no its always 4 + 1
the 60/min belt will just stutter a bit (for 0.111 seconds)

[oblique hollow]

Terrible

[frosty owl]

Sounds reasonable. I'm assuming @thorn bane's example could be "fixed" by providing 60 quartz/min via a mk2 belt or higher (the 60/min would go into the merger without backing up)

[fierce ruin]

Most likely.

[frosty owl]

Or if he was trying to merge anything less than ~59/min (still with a MK1)

[thorn bane]

well up to 54 but ye just use a higher tier belt

[fierce ruin]

New UI for the people wondering:

[oblique hollow]

Noice

[fierce ruin]

Clicking the load file brings up the map with routes like before.

[wintry aurora]

The wheel version was okay though? Not sure why they redesigned it.

[fierce ruin]

I think this is cleaner tbh.
And moreso about standardizing vehicle UI across Trucks/Trains/Drones.

NO comments about what I am driving?
I am shocked.

[wintry aurora]

The cybertruck? Meme is meme.

[fierce ruin]

🙂

I will make a route run entirely by cybertrucks this playthrough just to do it. 😂

[prime carbon]

Ok, I asked this before, and Sushi Manifolder was awesome and answered, but I'm still new to the app and just figured out how to reply, so I'm going to ask again, in (hopefully) a more specific way: Is there a formula, possibly similar to the water extractor to coal generator one, for basic aluminum processing? One that just uses the default plans? If not, that's cool, I think I'm close to getting things figured out, if not actually balanced. If worse comes to worst, I'll just say screw it and use a planner.

[fierce ruin]

No because it depends on how much you're doing.
Say screw it and use a planner if you're using specific recipes.

[thorn bane]

yes thats the whole point of saying do 8 coal generators

[near zenith]

screw it and use a planner

[fierce ruin]

Someone in general said I am the "most knowledgeable" person about this game and I almost tagged you in reply 😂

[thorn bane]

360 water + 240 bauxite -> 240 alumina solution -> 360 scrap -> 240 ingots
2 alumina solution refineries -> 1 scrap refineries -> 4 ingot foundries
the 120 water is recycled for a need of 240 fresh water

(also i literally just opened a planner and read the numbers to you 🤷 )

[oblique hollow]

Like this?

[fierce ruin]

Pretty colors.

[thorn bane]

not really a fan of recycled water refineries but sure

[oblique hollow]

The ratios are just "number of refineries running JUST on byproduct water" to scrap refineries

[fierce ruin]

Eh, I do injection manifold with VIP junction so inevitably I have some running purely on recycled water.

[prime carbon]

@oblique hollow yeah, thanks.

[oblique hollow]

Alternatively: just feed the water to the coal gens

[wintry aurora]

Looping them together and slapping on a VIP generally works.

[oblique hollow]

Much easier, but needs more coal

[wintry aurora]

Still have to check the net I/o of the system of course.

[fierce ruin]

Alternatively: Alternatively: Just stack like 4 IFBs and set a 60 min timer on your phone for flushing them.

😏

[thorn bane]

pay someone 1 dollar/hour to flush your buffers

[oblique hollow]

Use 40000 and flush once every month

[fierce ruin]

☝️

[oblique hollow]

Nuclear waste pre U4 be like

[fierce ruin]

Flush once a month.. I have met people who smelled like that.

[prime carbon]

Yeah, thanks.

[thorn bane]

oh i just realized i actually break my "all machines at 100%" rule with alu
i underclock my sloppy alumina solution to 75% so its 1 to 1

[fierce ruin]

HERESY

[rugged fjord]

But actually though 😩

[near zenith]

iight, opinion time. I need to move ~2200 oil/min from the spire coast to somewhere in the middle of the dune desert. Package and ship, or long fluid trains?

[fierce ruin]

pipeline

[near zenith]

something like that?

[fierce ruin]

Ye. Pipeline.

[wintry aurora]

Beginning to attempt zyras setup without fully understanding how it's set up.

[jade minnow]

Just think about what a splitter does and what a merger does. 😛

[wintry aurora]

Mainly I'm just not quite sure where they're putting the two inputs.

[fierce ruin]

I see you like to live dangerously.

[wintry aurora]

Or whether the storage setup is neccesary.

[wintry aurora]

I just realized I did the thing in mirror image compared to what the screenshot is....

[wintry aurora]

The middle layer of that does't actually flup directions, does it?

[wintry aurora]

Screenshots of the back and front sides of those? I'm not sure what you did there to connect the middle section with the others.

Has an extra output I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with.

(yes, I know it looks crappy, I'm tryiing to figure oyt what you did with it)

[fierce ruin]

Why God...

[thorn bane]

hes summoning a spaghetti monster

wait you see the sides on my screenshot

it just goes from botoom left to top right

splitter to splitter
merger to merger

[wintry aurora]

Yes, but not the back and front ends, not fully.

This looks about right, right? if mirror imaged.

[thorn bane]

i used stackable poles on the left so it looks nicer but ye

wait show the input side

[wintry aurora]

I cleaned up the mess so I can drain them and use another item as one of the inputs. that way I can see what's going on better.

[thorn bane]

you need to connect the merger to the merger and splitter to splitter

[wintry aurora]

I tried doing that but ended up with an extra belt.

[wintry aurora]

Where did you plug in the inputs and where is the output coming from?

[thorn bane]

output goes to the input of the next layer

[wintry aurora]

What about this side?

It looked to me like you were doing that

[thorn bane]

yep looks good

[fierce ruin]

I want to make a giant one of these that does nothing other than slow down throughput. 🙃

[wintry aurora]

I'm confused then, because I keep having two extra outputs. And I started deconstructing that.

I've also noticed that one set is slightly higher than the other for some odd reason, doesn't affect belt placement though.

Are the i/os set up correctly on the front face (just usng the lift to show the arrows)?

[wintry aurora]

@thorn bane Where do I put the second input? Because if I put it somewhere, I end up with a loose second output.

[thorn bane]

the two inputs go to the first splitter and merger

at the start of the loop

[wintry aurora]

Maybe un-mirror imaging it will help....

[mystic verge]

anyone have any idea how many nuclear power plants i should make?

[versed violet]

Pretty simple:
Max 1 uranium node. Use whatever recipes you have or plan unlocked.
Then build as many 250% OC nukes as the rods you can supply.

[mystic verge]

I wanna build a factory to turn the uranium waste into plutonium fuel rods to then sink but idk how many reactors i should build to cover that

and leave headroom for future factories

[versed violet]

if you want to just sink the waste, you won't need extra uranium, so just turn it all into rods.

[mystic verge]

the waste into rods?

[versed violet]

all uranium into uranium rods, burn them for power, then process waste into plutonium and sink. use deafult recipe, it 'eats' most waste

[mystic verge]

right, im trying to use the planner to figure out what the power cost would be but if i have to build more generators then im producing more waste than the factory was originally planned for, so should I just build as many power plants as I can and then design the factory to recycle around that?

[versed violet]

exactly. max your uranium node, build as many nukes as you can support with rods available and plan for processing that much waste.

You can store the waste until you finish your recycling plant, and your nukes don't have to run all at once if you do not need that much power.

[mystic verge]

currently this is what Im dealing with though i spent an hour trying to flatten the curve cus some of the plants kept loosing water

i might turn some off for now but i only have 6 plants on a normal node running a mk2 ( gonna upgrade to mk 3@ 250%)

any suggestions on water supply issues?

[young loom]

I just managed, somehow, to support 80 coal plants with only the water here.

[versed violet]

Build close to lake

[near zenith]

so i literally just finished this this morning lol. maxing out one Ur node, you get 14.4 ur rods per minute, which turn into 36 overclocked nuclear reactors pumping out ~175 GW of power, and generates 720 waste/min which you turn into 3.6 plutonium rods/min. You have to make sure to have the uranium alts, use the regular plutonium rods

and also, just, all the other basic alts

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=Bz1mIss8geG24WEydXpK

it takes ~17GW to run the uranium preprocessing/postprocessing and waterpumps

[thorn bane]

sorry @wintry aurora was busy
this is the view from the front

and the two inputs go into the rightmost splitter and merger

[near zenith]

what is this monstrosity y'all are making for?

[wintry aurora]

I think I've gotten something working, taking ages to prime though.

Umkay, I may have endlessly looped it instead. :/

I can't get the thing to fully utilize itself.

Gonna mess around with it differently maybe,

[wintry aurora]

Waaaiiittt, I've been trying to put outputs into two mergers instead of the primary one which is on a splitter as in the video.............. no wonder.

[bright nova]

Welp, ran the math. holy crap I need a lot of mats. Overall should yield about 10,500 Mw from these coal nodes. 21 Fully overclocked extractors and that'll require 63 powershards

I get the sense I may have to import water from somewhere because this location barely has enough room for 10

[near zenith]

curious, if you have mk3 miners, why are you spending time on coalgens?

[bright nova]

To bootstrap production for my nuclear gens

[near zenith]

reasonable fact

gotcha rofl

[bright nova]

I have fuel gens but it's not enough

[near zenith]

yea, i ended up running 80% of my world shut off to let my nuc manifold fill up and start running

had like, 60k max production running at a 25k limit

scary times

[bright nova]

Right now I'm only on Mk2 miners

[near zenith]

oh, pure nodes, misread the 600's

[bright nova]

I need to bootstrap my nuclear reactors to further bootstrap other facilities for space elevator and milestone mats

yeah, got about 3 pure nodes and a normal

[near zenith]

best of luck with managing the insanity that is the first nuc setup

[bright nova]

it's enough to power 140 Coal gens, which gets me about an additional 10 Gigawatts

[cedar mica]

How much power you need, depends entirely on scale. You can produce all the build materials, for less then 10GW

[bright nova]

Probably yes, however I'm already occupying a good chunk of the map

and many facilities are undergoing renovation :P

because half of them are from when I started playing as a newbie on this save. And oh my. They were so inefficient I just decided to gut up half of them and max out the nodes in the area

[bright nova]

and thanks lol, this should be an interesting project. And actually a chance to experiment a bit with large scale architecture that isn't just a box

[tranquil ember]

Hmm I feel like I was being overly optimistic in thinking I could have two assemblers making versatile frames lol. The iron requirement is getting crazy

[bright nova]

oof, yah they get silly expensive

[tranquil ember]

I found a spot with 7 iron nodes and thought it would be enough...I'm reassessing that lol

[bright nova]

Did you overclock all the nodes?

[tranquil ember]

lol not yet

[bright nova]

Might help quite a bit, unless of course you can't support the power in which case fair enough :p

IE an OC'd pure node is usually about 600/m, while normal is about 300/m

[tranquil ember]

they're all impure...

[bright nova]

Ah... yikes

[tranquil ember]

at this spot anyways

I think I have 3-4 "close" of other qualities

[bright nova]

The dune desert has like, a bajillion deposits, though mostly normal and impure

[tranquil ember]

thats a bit far, I'm in the first zone, "green hills zone" lol

[bright nova]

Ah, what tier are ya at?

[tranquil ember]

I think I have everything in the steel tiers

doing the phase 2 stuff

[bright nova]

Ah, so 3/4 ish

[tranquil ember]

yeah, traveling back to check but I think so

yeah both done

I "could" progress, but I wanna set up the infrastructure first

[bright nova]

This area in the northern forest has 6 pure nodes

[tranquil ember]

ah ok, I think we just found that on my multiplayer game with my friends. Started in that zone. Pretty far from where I am in this one

still no map tho lol

[bright nova]

Correction, 720 Iron a min standard, 1,800 fully OC'd, and oof fair enough

[tranquil ember]

I have a few places in this area I can set trucks up for if I really need to

[bright nova]

Fair enough ^^

I really need to setup a highway between all my major bases lol

[tranquil ember]

I wanna wait until trains for that, but that might be really far away

[bright nova]

Plus trains are stupid expensive to get setup initially, once you have it though... so nice

[weak rampart]

Guys. I dont know if this count as Meta, but i think this count as math(?) Do any of you guys know how to make a circular ram?

And how much circular 2m that you need to reach 80m above ground?

[tranquil ember]

just did the math for the building I'm working on, I need 702.5 iron/minute lol @bright nova

[bright nova]

ALL The iron

[tranquil ember]

ALL the slugs

[bright nova]

Yes, many many slugs

[patent briar]

Im sitting here trying to figure out if I need buffers on the output platforms of my trains, the same as inputs, to achieve maximum throughput speed

I feel like the answer is yes, for the same reasons you need a small buffer on the input platforms

[wind spade]

the answer is indeed yes

[river night]

the entire design needs to be symmetrical, if you can burst-load the platform from a buffer, then you also need to be able to burst-unload it, since the normal consumption would be slightly below max throughput and taking loading breaks into account leave some in the station

[thick shell]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=Duu8tkpHu1EbCMYFviH0

That's a decent early game setup

The trick is to turn entire nodes of iron into steel then send ingots to relevant factories

The Plains have a lot of resources but dispersed across many normal and impure nodes.

[fierce ruin]

Wait, what are the purple lines

"Roads"

Ah

[thick shell]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Miner#250%_Clock_Speed

Overclocking miner mk2s to get the most out of impure nodes is basically mandatory

[fierce ruin]

You misspelled mk3s.

[thick shell]

Tier 8 is a long ways off from the stage they're at

[fierce ruin]

Someone's still in the tutorial?

Fair.

[gloomy palm]

i wrote an algorithm which can approximate a required splitter load balancer network in order to create the closest possible balance for 11 items (or a power of 11 thereof). the algorithm was set to a depth of 600 and has been running for 1 and half hours already. an approximation might be acceptable at a tiny variance, but the problem is a network capable of approximately balancing 11 items (or a power of 11 thereof) would possibly have more splitters than a whole factory would need 😅

will come back with my result when it's finished computing

at a depth of 100, the result was a variance of around 0.000184

i'm hoping to find a smaller variance (approaching zero)

[tranquil ember]

Thanks @thick shell I'll check that out

[cinder silo]

I've got this planned out on satisfactory tools, how do I get it to show overclocked buildings?

[near zenith]

sftools doesnt do overclocks yet i think, so just divide production building counts by 2.5

[cinder silo]

Ahh damn, explains my futile attempt at finding the overclock bit 😛

Trying to make part of the reprocessing area more compact.

[near ivy]

More compact means less fps

[stark vortex]

Fps. Is a crutch

[near ivy]

I wanna play satisfactory with 20 years later gpu pls

[wind spade]

error: gpu not supported

[near ivy]

[stark vortex]

What gpu? I have launched this game on a GT545

[wind spade]

the one that comes out in 20 years?

it was a joke (since most likely today's games won't run on 20 year later gpus without any change)

[stark vortex]

A few months ago I ran wow on my CPU (100% software rendered) because I tore down my gpu's waterblock and ripped a thermal pad on raid night.

gamers find a way 😄

[wintry aurora]

Can't, unfortunately, not directly. I just take the x number and divide by whatever number gets it below the 2.5 point and whatever I'm happy with. Take the resulting number and move the decimal point down two places, that number is your overclock percentage based on the number of machines. You probably already know the math though, don't know why I'm telling you this.

[cinder silo]

Aye I do, I was hoping to be lazy for once and have a production planner show me but I'll get it done, it's looking like six particle accelerators & nine blenders and some tweaks 🙂

[oblique hollow]

Dont overclock accelerators tho

[cinder burrow]

Does anyone have a beginner build factory?

[wind spade]

factory for what?

[knotty spruce]

is this a good iron factory? (using 4 pure nodes), anything i should make more/less?

[full thunder]

Yes it is. Keep in mind this is with mk1 miners tho' 😉

[frosty owl]

Only if you're straining your GPU already clustering stuff might not be advisible, that's not a statement to be made regardless of one's specs and base size 😆

[frosty owl]

Well... Depending on the kind of build preferences you have, maybe some belt mixing could help
Mixed belts usually go very well with compactness and your numbers of item/min seem to allow for it

[stark vortex]

But I feel the need for speed! ... and extreme power usage.

[oblique hollow]

speed and accelerators, funnily enough, dont go together

[near zenith]

just trying to point them in the right direction huh?

[frosty owl]

God freaking dammit, somebody made a "guide" on mixed belts before me. How dare they, this is total BS
Proceeds to pout and go to the corner, drawing shapes on the ground with a finger and murmuring enviously

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/rj62eb/mixed_belts_guide_designs_and_tips/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[uncut sigil]

I was just starting to read that. Anything horribly wrong with it?

[frosty owl]

Nope. Just missing a few things, but nothing vital. It's a good post (thus me linking it)

[wintry aurora]

I overclocked mine, but then, the setup only has two, so, I switched to one and overclocked that to max for more consistent production or something. And yes, massive power usage swings.

[ashen girder]

I prefer to think of them as veins.

[fierce ruin]

I like my maps veiny.

[thorn aspen]

is there any math of how much is 100% geothermal output on the map ? 🙂

[thorn aspen]

nm seems wiki says 4500mw only

[stuck iron]

I haven't automated Radio Control Units yet. I have all the alts. Is one of them clearly better or situational?

[wind spade]

"better" is always subjective

but if you tell us what do you prefer (e.g. lowest resource count, least complex build, lowest power usage), we can help you more 🙂

[stuck iron]

I think I don't want to use computers. I just built a train line to the cluster of normal quartz nodes so I will be able to pump out a ton of quartz crystal

I have access to 400 casings /m as well.

[versed violet]

WTF, I see a rain?

[thorn bane]

sink

@frosty owl oh actually interesting youtube link in that comment section
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RNph9mL8iM

[versed violet]

Did they change how pipeline wall holes interact with walls? I can't seem to be able to aim at empty conveyor holes anymore.

[frosty owl]

(I participated in that conversation, I know ^^)
Eh, interesingISH, just like the method is precisish 😅 😆

A noice idea though

[frosty owl]

Now THIS one though... This is something so interesting I wish I could go back in time to let myself know about it
How to avoid the MAXED BELT throughput issues in Vanilla
@thorn bane @proven prawn @oblique hollow @bleak coral @fierce ruin @versed violet @wind spade (tagging all I think could make use of/spread this info)
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/m4gpyc/belt_throughput_bug_and_some_solutions/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[fierce ruin]

I do this already. 🙃

They are missing a method though.

Top 2 ways to get 780 are the "splitter every segment" or alternatively you can just split it at the beginning because mk5s can hand 390 easily and then just re-merge immediately before you need the 780.

[frosty owl]

That's just avoiding the issue, not creating a belt capable of transporting max throughput for more than one belt segment
With that method you can merge the segments together, avoiding the belt-belt connections all together

[fierce ruin]

I listed 2 things and you have unclarified pronouns making it hard to comprehend your meaning.

First that = ?
Second that = ?

[frosty owl]

Those two methods result in either a series of mergers/splitters/ISCs or more than one belt where the post's method allows to have a single, smooth belt

[fierce ruin]

His opening words are "I'm using throughput counter mod"

[frosty owl]

If you read the post you wouldn't need to have me explaining it to you

[fierce ruin]

False. Unclarified pronouns mean I can take it multiple ways.

[frosty owl]

You weren't "doing this" though

[fierce ruin]

He lists 5 methods and I have used them all outside of modding.
So I have been doing what's in the post that can be done vanilla.

[frosty owl]

I'll naturally test for it, but I doubt my results will differ (naturally, I'll correct myself and the post if they do)

[fierce ruin]

I then listed my top method from said post, and one he didn't mention.

He does clarify he's modding, so some things he talks about probably don't work in vanilla.

Splitter per segment does. I can attest to that.

[frosty owl]

So your point is that "merging the segments" by adding and deleting mergers doesn't work?

[fierce ruin]

May not. Depends on how he does it?
When I did it I add the merger near the end of the belt, so it made the smol belt inside, deleted the very end of the belt, put another max-length one on it, then deleted the merger.

🤷‍♂️

Happy testing though.

[proven prawn]

Wait making many multiple sections can fix mk5 throughput issues how very interesting Though it seems counter logic in some of the conclusions so I would definitely want to test this more for more clarrification, because it says at one point multiple sections makes throughput then putting splitters somehow fixes this, even though logically it shouldn't make any difference, after it only has a internal buffer and not really any different than if you connect the belts normally, also adding splitters and removing also logically doesn't seem like a solution either, because it goes back to the issue the conclusion has that multiple sections results in lower throughput but then they are saying doing it anyways in some cases results in higher throughput, which seems counter logical so I'm not exactly going to take this as the truth, as it seems to have some logical fallacy in the analysis and conclusion.

[river night]

makes sense to me, with the splitters you dont have any belt thats more then one section, since the splitter takes over the section boundary, avoiding the issue due to its internal buffer

I find it surprising that removing splitters actually connects the sections, that was not my experience before, but maybe I never payed close enough attention, since its not something I really cared for

[jade minnow]

Could it also just be the mod that is confused by the splitters and thus counting incorrectly

[river night]

you could rebuild a test by timing transfer of a full container with a stop watch as well

with no mods involved

[jade minnow]

You could just connect the different setups directly to a miner and see if its buffer fills

[river night]

Personally I doubt the counter mod would be complicated enough to care where the belt comes from, but who knows

[frosty owl]

It's pretty easy to test for it. I'll try later on today, lemme know if you happen to test for it too ^^

[frosty owl]

The key is placing the splitter at the junction between the segments. I guess one could call it a bug.
Or one could call it a great example of a bug being a feature

[frosty owl]

You might have misunderstood a bit:
-Connecting a BELT to another BELT causes the issue. So a possible fix is to have only belt-splitter/merger/ISC connections (eg: A merger between every belt segment)
-A belt with multiple segments will NOT show the issue if you somehow merge the segments on SCIM or something (make it into a single belt segment)
-Adding and removing splitters at the JUNCTION between belt segments "merges" the two segments together ^^

[proven prawn]

Oh i see your right, interesting so the solution is essentially merging sections of belts together and making the entire length of the belt one section, the splitter being there basically merges them and removing the splitter keeps the two sections of belts in the merged state

[frosty owl]

Exactly 👌

[obtuse elm]

Wonder if these effect lower Mk belts at all.

[frosty owl]

AND it's also not a "cheat" 😆

[frosty owl]

The max throughput issue is present on all belts, the MK jist makes it more or less obvious to notice

[cedar mica]

Oh, the "make one long belt" thing. Not sure that makes a different math vice

[proven prawn]

So this is a solution then to throughput issues with belts, meaning we can use them at full capacity safely via this method

[frosty owl]

Not having belt-belt connection has already been proven to fix the throughput issue, the question would rather be wether one can merge the segments in vanilla without having a series of mergers along the belt or not ^^

[frosty owl]

I suggest doing some testing first to confirm, but I've heard positive feedback from more than one source already (I'll test later today 0

[proven prawn]

you know this might explain why with manifolds I never seem to have throughput issues with mk5 belts because I was already merging most of them without realizing it hmmm

[cedar mica]

Bugging belts, makes the game run smoother... Not sure how that works

[thorn bane]

dafuq

[proven prawn]

I wonder how I can use this with things like stackable conveyor poles since that relies on having belts in separate sections hmmm

[frosty owl]

It's simple enough to understand once you grasp the principles, really 😅 😆
A single belt segment doesn't present the max throughput issue, regardless of it lenght - > If you find a way to turn multiple segments into one, you can avoid the throughput issue for those segments

[cedar mica]

So the issue is that belt to belt, reduces throughput?

Knew lifts did have a little effect, but didnt know belt to belt, did the same

[proven prawn]

just need to refine for stackable conveyor poles and conveyor lifts and see if throughput remains consistent, lifts specifically would definitely be another section, so any place you have to use those could still have throughput issues, would require more testing

[frosty owl]

Yep, even just having mergers separating each belt segment would fix the issue (thus why some never notice it in their manifolds, if they merge to max throughput withing one belt segment from the start of the manifold)

You can consider a lift as a belt segment afaik. Shouldn't have any difference for our point

[obtuse elm]

When are we getting diagonal lifts?

[proven prawn]

Wait for it conveyor spires are going to become a thing again because of max throughput on them

[frosty owl]

I think those are called belts, up to a certain angle

[cedar mica]

Guess time to make the QA post "we need longer belts, for more throughput"

[proven prawn]

Refine we need a way to merge belts and lifts to make them a single section

[fossil eagle]

there is a resource on pipes, i saw it once on reddit, does anyone have link to it, i can't seem to find it anywhere 😦

[frosty owl]

[fossil eagle]

ah TY ❤️

[mystic verge]

anyone know a way to figure out how to calculate how many plutonium fuel rods i can make per minute with 300 uranium waste per min?

[near zenith]

the answer is always satisfactorytools

but also, are you creating the rods to sink for points, or use for power

sink -> don't use alt plutonium recipes, use for power -> use alt plutonium recipes

as a general number, 720 waste/min allowed me to make 3.6 plurods/min

[proven prawn]

I use that 720 waste/min to 3.6 plurods/min, up to 2520/min for my current waste plant

[mystic verge]

im gonna sink them i just wanna plan my factory right before I build it. I tried satisfactory tools but Idk if it can work in reverse

[near zenith]

you have to put the waste as a distinct input, and then can probably use maximize on plurods as output to get it to do what you want

[mystic verge]

ok awesome

i tried satisfactory calculator but it seems to be doing some weird math

[near zenith]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=j4IXMzh2QYXd9VjbRHzZ

looks like 1.5 plu from 300 waste, which... makes sense, cause why would the ratio change rofl

[mystic verge]

no i meant like it was trying to use more than 30 power plants to make 300 waste to then make 1.5 plu rods

but it was underclocking two to 50% for some reason

instead of clocking one at 100%

[near zenith]

huh, that's odd, idk rofl, this is why i'm cult of greeny

[knotty spruce]

first hardrive. which recipe should i take?

[tender agate]

rotors

early games thats the best options

im 410 hors in and caterium copper wire would be nice but 1=8 isnt that good and there are better ones for Hplates

[versed violet]

caterium wire is pretty nice if you have unused caterium node near. Ingots pack well

[tender agate]

yh

ive now got a mini factory using 3 pure copper nodes for wire

and i wish i used caterium

[fringe pawn]

Caterium wire is one of my favorite recipes.

[tender agate]

same ive just never put it to use 😭

[fringe pawn]

The funny thing is people are afraid that if you're allowed to zoop constructors, people will start using iron wire machines clocked at 1% or some BS. Nope, sticking with caterium wire even if we can zoop buildings.

[tender agate]

zooping makes me happy

i wish it was added before i made a whole ass factory and base but oh well

[fringe pawn]

It's interesting to watch them hesitantly implement a mass build feature and wonder about whether that's overpowered, even though we have 20+ years of gaming history to observe on the subject. I'm pretty sure nobody thought Dungeon Keeper 2's drag and hold rectangular build option should have instead stuck to only Dungeon Keeper 1's single tile placement system.

[thorn aspen]

i still wish we could copy paste buildings (at least inside the same save)

🙊

[tender agate]

yh

i think some sort of power from water streams, wind, or solar would be nice

ik that would make it infinate but they could make solar power very crap, wind and water power only in streams or mountain tops for most wind

i would personally love that even if it gave me like no power later game

[fringe pawn]

They'd probably just make it consume some sort of "fuel" like everything else.

[tender agate]

yh i wouldnt mind tbh i just want another power source

i love having space power

currently i have 2x more power than i need which is very nice (100,000MW) roughly

[fringe pawn]

Space based solar power would be an interesting endgame option, where it's beamed down to your planet, and the "fuel" you provide is replacement satellites.

[tender agate]

thats true and i love the idea of satelites to transfer stuff eg power of info etc

or not of*

[mystic verge]

a belt/power productivity probe would be a nice feature too

[tender agate]

something that would be great if a another conveyer, ik theyve had issues doing this has 780 per min is enough but a more futuristic type of conveyer would be nice.

I was thinking like a conveyers hidin buy a glass or metal frame so you cant see the object which allows for no loading of those objects, and then diplay the items flowwing through and you could constumise the conveyer like a pipe valve

sry for bad spelling dyslexic

[jade minnow]

@frosty owl Okay I did a small test setup now, this is the best I can come up with: Miner is connected to an ISC which is connected to a smart splitter and a merger. The smart splitter's right output is pushing everything down to the merger, middle output is set as overflow leading to the separate container. And the little racetrack has many curves and many small parts (there are around 530 parts that fit on the belt) but only an error margin of around 0,35-0,4% (out of 8152 items extracted, 28 were sent to the overflow container, next test was 32 out of 8650). That's not bad, right? 😄

[cinder silo]

Not getting full throughput on saturated mk5's is very annoying and shouldn't be a thing, with the size of and number of belts I have there is no way i'd be done trying to chunk the whole thing with splitters, i'd be here until february.

[cedar mica]

MK5 not delivering the full amount, is part of the reason we dont have an MK6 belt yet.

[tender agate]

ik

thats why i was thinks the objects are hidden

so it would be transfered directly to another machine instead of loading it all

[jade minnow]

There's a mod for that 😛

[tender agate]

i dont like modding

i feel it defeats the games main disign and premise

personal opinion, a weird one but yh

[fierce ruin]

☝️

[fringe pawn]

I don't like modding because you're relying on an additional faction for support.

I don't necessarily believe in the sanctity of original design, so that aspect is no issue to me.

[tender agate]

hard choice

help?

[frosty owl]

That's a nice testing setup 👌
AFAIK the error you register depends on "how well" your PC currently runs the game and the lenght of the belt involved. So that number itself doesn't mean much other than what's the loss for you in that save at that time 😅
(And yeah, it's not that much, but it's still less than what one might be trying to get :P)

[frosty owl]

You could use the first to simplify the making of supercomputers too

[tender agate]

yh thx

[wintry aurora]

What do you mean wierd math? It likes to connect wastewater to other things that need water.

Although you were talking about nuclear power, which I haven't done yet, so.... I dunno.

[mystic verge]

Like I know I need 30 power plants to make 300 waste but instead it said to use 32

[rigid stratus]

Hmmm

[crystal charm]

what's the exact space for a battery, we haven't unlocked that yet, but i'm thinking of prebuilding a facility for them

[rigid stratus]

It's about a single foundation wide, maybe a bit less, and they're maybe the same height as an industrial storage

Hopefully this helps

And remember you can daisy chain them together with power cables

[jade minnow]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Power_Storage

6x6 is less than one foundation

[rigid stratus]

Well f*ck me

[serene crescent]

Polymer resin

But 100 cable per min sounds good too depending on your situation

[rigid stratus]

Tbf, we don't really need any of those XD