math-and-meta

[fringe pawn]

Been there. Drones can cut down on that. I just attach a drone port to my containers for rods, plates, concrete, etc. and then everything flows right into them. Then I can build a drone port and drone anywhere in the world and have them go retrieve from those.

[fierce ruin]

i do that with trains; as i want to have a full network of train i bting railway to any base a build anyway, then build a station to get any train deliver what i need.

I'd have to build a new storage and drone port area, but it does sound worth it.

It's just one more thing to get around to though.😩

[fringe pawn]

Batteries are needed for one of the final space elevator parts. I would push it up your list, just so you also have the option to experiment with drones.

[fierce ruin]

Re Drones: What's with the bit in the Wiki that says "Each Drone can only be assigned to 1 loading Drone Port, and that loading Drone Port can only be assigned to 1 unloading Drone Port" That sounds like you'd need to plan the routes in advance and build a new port at your base for each route? Is that wrong or am I interpretting it wrong?

Or can that assignment be changed on the fly from the other end of the route?

if you build a port and a drone where you are, that drone can go search for item in any port already built

Oh, that's nice, sounds like the Wiki page may need updating then.

no, wiki is right too

[fringe pawn]

The wiki has this link to reddit which has been a big help: https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/mbqex4/the_ultimate_drone_guide/

[fierce ruin]

So how does that work, is the assingning done with the drone?

I'll check that, thanks!

[fringe pawn]

Imagine you have caterium ingots feeding into a drone port. An unlimited number of drones from other ports can go take ingots from there.

But you'll be limited by the throughput because each drone port only has one input and one output, so more likely you'll need two ports, so that two belt feeds will give adequate bandwidth.

You also can't have too many drones trying to pull from one port, due to the fact they they take close to a full minute to land and takeoff again.

[fierce ruin]

@fringe pawnIt sure sounds like that contradicts the "that loading Drone Port can only be assigned to 1 unloading Drone Port" bit in the Wiki.

It may become clearer once I start programming drones.

[fringe pawn]

No. Play around with it and you'll understand. The crucial thing is that when you build a drone port, you can only place one drone on it. So if you want 10 drones pulling from one port, you need 10 other ports, each with a drone.

[fierce ruin]

it shouldn't be loading/unloading but where the drone is build / where he moves

I'm getting the idea that the distinction between "loading" and "unloading" ports isn't a real thing?

[fringe pawn]

Sort of. Abandoning that distinction did help me ultimately.

[fierce ruin]

Great!

[fringe pawn]

Once you play around with it and have a feel for it, they are ultimately easier to use than trains, as long as you have a good battery factory.

But trains are still king for high volume

[fierce ruin]

Maybe the person who wrote that part of the Wiki page was taking for granted that the drones would be used to transport resources to a central location and not the other way?

The drones do sound great for flexibility, as long as you have a well planned out central storage and drone port arera.

[fringe pawn]

I think pages like that try a little too hard sometimes. Nuanced details should probably be left to separate guides.

[fierce ruin]

Thanks muchly for clearing things up in my mind!

[wind spade]

@white owl fyi, resource limits for all resources (capped by belt/pipe speeds, overclocked to max possible)

[glacial hemlock]

Coal might be lower due to a bug of overlapped node

[glacial hemlock]

Welcome to the wiki, and you could even edit it yourself if something isn't right

[wind spade]

idk, I used anthor's numbers of nodes

[glacial hemlock]

Oh yeah, that statement was written by me, maybe i should reword it, hmm....done!

[subtle eagle]

I have a problem...
I played the game when it came out 'till Motor production I believe.
Then I tried to make a factory setup only utilizing round numbers and 100% Efficiency with minimal over or underproductions. It was really satisfying seeing it all work out - having x constructors feeding y other contructors, merging and splitting the outcomes to perfectly fit sonewhere else...
But having it planned out was the most important thing and there was no point in constructing anything ingame without having the whole factory planned out...
But I'm to tired to do this again, but want to play, using the new trains and drones and pipes and stuff ...

[oblique hollow]

if you dont want to bother with setting things up super efficient, then just dont

ive bogus'd my way through a lot of things

[fierce ruin]

How about watching YouTube tutorials and copying their designs?

You'd have to make sure they were recent videos of course.

[wind spade]

have you tried some of the online tools to calculate stuff for you?

[fierce ruin]

also, use a calculator like satisfactory tools help to plan exaclty what do you need; how much over/underclock you need for being 100% efficient.

@glacial hemlockThanks for putting in the effort.
I'm still confused, hopefully that will clear with some hands on experience.
It sounds like drones have timetables and ports are linked to each other?
Unless that means the ports are linked in the timetables that sounds potentially contradictory.

[hollow hearth]

I've always used overflow and it works every time. Only con with it is that you have to wait for all the items to back up fully in the machines before transporting them for it to be effective, otherwise it takes absurdly long for the entire system to balance out

[oblique hollow]

kinda. a port can only choose one destination but can BE the destination of many

[hollow hearth]

Fairly easy way of balancing if you know how much you need of everything

[oblique hollow]

its really no timetables. just port-to-port connections

[fierce ruin]

@oblique hollowOh, so a drone can only run back and forth on a single route? Without reprogramming.

[fringe pawn]

What happens if you delete a drone port with a drone in flight? Can you delete the port as soon as you see it grab goods on the other side, and they're added to your inventory?

[oblique hollow]

yes
A -> B
and then B -> A

[fierce ruin]

And you can't have multiple drones sharing a port at both ends?

[oblique hollow]

nnnope. you can have many ports fly to one port though.

[hollow hearth]

A + B + C -> D etc

[oblique hollow]

a port can only assign one target

but it can BE targeted by many ports at once

so if you have 3 ports

you can have 2 ports target 1

but not 1 target 2

the drones only ever take ONE path

[fierce ruin]

Yeah, but you can't merge those two ports?

[wind spade]

basically - every drone port can only "own" one drone. Drones can only go between the "home" port and any other

[fierce ruin]

But can another drone use the first drone's home port as a destination?

[wind spade]

I think yeah

[fierce ruin]

Ok, thanks again!

[hollow hearth]

Drones can only share a destination port and not a home port I believe

[oblique hollow]

think of it like this:
You can only ever live in one house.
you can visit a friend's house, but you have to return home.
however, many of your friends can come visit your house.
they all have to return home afterwards though

[fierce ruin]

But a port could be home for one drone and destination for another.

[oblique hollow]

yes

[wind spade]

yeah, you can have two ports and two drones going between them

[fierce ruin]

Ok, if I'm A, I can visit B and they can visit C and C can visit me?

[hollow hearth]

Once you build a drone on a port, I dont think you can set it as another drone's destination. Dont take my word for it though as I've always just used multiple ports for neatness of combining and sorting items

[fierce ruin]

So you can have multi port loops but each drone can only trafic one segment?

[oblique hollow]

hope i didnt mess this up....

many visit Port C, but Drone C can only visit one

at least thats what i think right now......

[fierce ruin]

Well, I'll have to give it a try.

that's also how i think it works (i didn't do enough testing to be sure tho)

[hollow hearth]

If I wasn't on my phone I'd test because I've only used 2 -> 1 drone ports of just give each drone their own ports depending on how many different types of items I'm transporting

[oblique hollow]

kinda weird. i havent tried A to B and B to A yet

so 2 drones instead of just one going back and forth

[hollow hearth]

I still think building a drone on a port designates it as a home not a destination

Because I know once you build a drone you cant set that as the same drones home from a different port

Learned that when I had to travel across the map just to program a drone because I forgot to build a port at base

As in I had to go to base and build a port then travel back to the home port to set a destination at base

[glacial hemlock]

Correct. The port where the drone is built is known as 'home' port

[brazen bone]

I might be misremembering, but is it better to put fluid buffers in series or in parallel with your system, assuming mostly-efficient, or is that a waste of resources?
ie 480 Oil -> 480 Refinery.

[bleak coral]

for most setups they're unnecessary; there's enough room in the pipes to buffer a system, especially if you let them fill

[brazen bone]

Can save some frames then, it seems.

I might be thinking Factorio.

[wind spade]

you can save frames by shutting satisfactory down

[brazen bone]

Lol. Meant modular frames.

[bleak coral]

I mean "saving" resources in this game by building less stuff isn't important, cause we have infinite resources

[brazen bone]

More Heavy Modular for the Space Elevator.

[iron prairie]

Has anyone ever figured out the most processing steps a unit of raw resource can take? For example:

Iron ore -> ingot -> solid steel ingot -> steel rod -> screw -> reinforced plate -> modular frame -> HMF -> FMF -> pressure cube -> nuclear pasta, for 10 steps of processing.

[wind spade]

just pack and unpack liquids for infinite processing steps

[iron prairie]

... Productive processing steps, treating recycled rubber/plastic by only considering its fuel input.

9 steps to get to uranium waste (iron ore ->>> reinforced plate -> crystal oscillator -> crystal beacon -> uranium fuel unit -> uranium waste), then waste -> NFU -> Pu pellet -> encased Pu cell -> plutonium rod -> plutonium waste, for 14 steps down that chain.

[fierce ruin]

i think you can count more step by considering the same process after uranium fuel unit; but descending to electromagnetic control rod, high speed connector, circuit board and the whole oil processing

[wind spade]

technically fuel rod -> waste isn't a processing step

since it's not a recipe

[iron prairie]

Depends on semantics.

[wind spade]

well it's not a recipe in code 😉

[iron prairie]

Speaking of which, when are you adding the spaghetti code to add in support for burning fuel rods?

[wind spade]

never, I'll add power support eventually

[iron prairie]

(being sarcastic... ish. It would be nice, but spaghetti)

[wind spade]

but not hardcode like you want 😛

[quartz storm]

which one should i choose? does it matter in the long run?

[fierce ruin]

it doesn't matter in the long run: you will be able to unlock every recipe

so feel free to pick what you think you need at the time

[upbeat tide]

Pick based on what is most useful for you now. But, as said, all can get unlocked without issue.

[supple belfry]

Yeah. I’d recommend thinking about your next major build, and the resources you have available to pull it off.

[fringe pawn]

Almost all recipes are useful in some situation. The rarest use case recipes (in other words, get these last) are probably fine concrete, rubber concrete, fine black powder, seismic nobelisk, charcoal, biocoal, automated miner, and perhaps a few others. But you'll probably be able to tell the duds immediately when you see them. Even then, it's not necessarily the case that those concrete alts are bad, it's just that limestone is really common, so you gain very little by optimizing its use. Wet concrete is the only concrete alt I would recommend, and even then, not with particular enthusiasm.

[supple belfry]

Wet concrete can be a cheat-y (sort of) way to get around the trickier parts of aluminum processing, but it’s a crutch that most folks are better off avoiding, I think.

[upbeat tide]

Just loop your water for aluminum setups. Better that way 🙂

[quartz storm]

mmm wet concrete

[fringe pawn]

I see the appeal of wet concrete and aluminum. It's not like nuclear waste where sulfuric acid water is perfectly balanced by how much uranium waste you process.

[glacial hemlock]

Fine blackpowder is good

[supple belfry]

Fluid mechanics are a bit all over the place, too, so expecting someone to navigate aluminum production water recycling without much worry seems…ridiculous. It’s an obtuse mechanic; my first setup worked, but I’m still never 100% confident that I’m not going to have trouble.

[glacial hemlock]

Nah

Just split the recycled from the fresh

[fringe pawn]

Nobody is using enough black powder that it should be a priority before anything else, though.

Same dilemma as concrete alts. Clearly good from a pure numbers perspective, but not all resources matter equally.

[bleak coral]

I mean it's a straight upgrade, so if the other pulls are bad might as well go for it

even if you don't really need it

[fringe pawn]

Right, everything is always going to be situational in that way. But if you've already automated it, that's only going to put it above portable miner, biocoal, and charcoal.

The point at which you fill a container of each, that's probably a lifetime supply.

[open patrol]

Biocoal and charcoal is just....soo unneeded. Stick a Mk2 Miner 250 clock and ya got near a lifetime supply o coal

[bleak coral]

they're meme recipes lol, don't take 'em seriously

not for the efficiency nerds

[fringe pawn]

I'm still hazy on when it's safe to not loop fluids. 2 machines outputting directly to 4 machines, all pipes merged in a straight line, total fluids under 300. Safe?

[analog nova]

Is there ez way to balance 2 inputs to 9 outputs (wo merge)?

[bleak coral]

you can merge after the first splitters if you're trying to get past a belt limit

[iron prairie]

Set up twin manifolds for 4x each, then merge at the center?

[bleak coral]

also yes, manifolds always work

[analog nova]

Hm... yea, manifold with merge after few splits should work, thanks

[fringe pawn]

What uses do people find for fertile uranium? As waste disposal it seems to be inferior, due to smaller amount of waste processed per minute. For power generation you're better off feeding the uranium into your uranium fuel rod process.

[gloomy sage]

There we go. Finally got it figured out.

[lapis compass]

so instaaed of having my 360/m input get re distributed in a load balancer to get smelted at 45/m, (8 smelters), I did this big brain move and I think it somehow splits more material into a manner i think could have a >100% efficancy perhaps?

could someone help check my math?

Ore = 360/m (output)
Smelters = 45/m (input)

45/360 = 8
therefor 8 smelters are needed to have 100% efficiency?

[fierce ruin]

that's a lot of elevator that aren't that usefull. But yes, 8 smelter at 45/m consume 360 ore

[lapis compass]

would you say its possible to have 11 smelters all outputting at 100% with the same 360/m ore input/output?

wait nvm im dumb, i just checked back and my smelter is running out lmao

[lethal quail]

Anyone have a good free flow chart software? I saw a web-based one somewhere, but can't remember anymore

[fierce ruin]

some are linked in #welcome

[wind spade]

or in pins

draw.io is probably good enough for custom flow charts

[lethal quail]

#welcome only has calculators

[wind spade]

for sf-specific, there's a few tools in pins here

[lethal quail]

but I found this

https://app.diagrams.net/

[wind spade]

draw.io is a good one as I said, there's more ofc

some of the calculators generate flowcharts for you tho, so you can use those as well

[lethal quail]

oh

apps.diagram.net is the same as draw.io haha

[upbeat tide]

If you have Visio its better, but thats not a cheap item

[supple belfry]

Figma is also pretty great.

[timber widget]

i did not realize how daunting processing 1800 units of crude oil could be but i am having no regrets

Input is 1800 units of crude oil per min going into 60 refineries to make heavy oil residue at a total output rate of 2400 units per min polimer resin gets split to make rubber and plastic with 25 more refineries while the heavy oil gets refined again into diluted fuel requiring 80 to make a 1:1 ratio, bringing the total output for packaged fuel to 4800 units per min (the fuel is then unpacked and recycled to fill water jugs to be refined again into more fuel).

with 4800 units of fuel i can power 400 fuel generators pr produce a total power output of 60,000 MW

there is plans to upgrade all the fuel to turbo fuel with an additional 160 refineries to make 3000 units of turbo fuel per min and can power a little over 666 generators bumping the power output to 99,900 MW

total equipment
16 oil extractors
27 water extractors
325 refineries
160 Packagers
666 Power Generators

Total Wattage cost: 12,530 MW
Total Wattage Produced: 99,900 MW

i feel like my math is a bit off somewhere

i know ill have excess in a few places but that is my target so far

[opal temple]

The devil will be providing you power then

[timber widget]

yes and with it i shall do its bidding making..... stuff

[fringe pawn]

Is this to tide you over until nuclear? Or will you be going even bigger?

[timber widget]

might try to enlarge the scale of turbo fuel production but its going to be hard to match the compact coal requirements to satisfy it.
i desired to avoid nuclear for a bit as i dont know how to best handle it though i hear you can refine the waste into uranium now so i can sell it as a way to dispose it and will probably put the nuclar plant on top of the fuel generation plant to make it a second teir of power but i just dont want to worry about power for a while while i set the foundations for a Gigga factory

i have yet to unlock teir 7 and 8

[fringe pawn]

You can have zero-waste uranium-powered nuclear if you want. It's just another processing step to dispose of the waste. Or you can use that waste for even more nuclear power, which does create a negligible amount of plutonium waste that is permanent. There are some tricks to remove it if you really want. I ship my plutonium waste out to the edge of the map. I calculated that I build enough storage for over 1,000 hours of runtime. If it somehow fills up I can just make more storage.

I think I built 90 ISCs for 32 waste/minute. Waste has a 500 stack size.

[timber widget]

very true but if i am able to achieve zero waist i will be happy as i would prefer just being able to set it up and not have to worry about it for the remainder of its existence in the corner of my map

[fringe pawn]

In that case you convert the uranium waste to plutonium fuel rods, then put the rods into the sink. Squeaky clean.

[timber widget]

absolutly. but we will build that bridge when we get there

[fringe pawn]

Yeah, you've got tons of power to build a strong factory as it is. Nuclear power has a gigantic supply chain, so it's good to be comfortable with lots of turbofuel.

The massive supply webs involved in uranium fuel rods and plutonium fuel rods, compared to water, sulfur, and oil for turbo blend fuel...just a ridiculous comparison. 😄

[opal temple]

This is why we love satisfactory though

For the stupid processing chains we have with Nuclear

[fringe pawn]

If you can handle fused modular frames and turbo motors, presumably you can handle nuclear as well.

Heh, I'm watching my factory cart haul plutonium waste, and it really is a testament to how hard it is to make good pathfinding, even in 2021. It's literally just a gigantic straight line of foundations between two truck stops, yet it still bangs into the railings I put down as it turns around to run the route the other way.

[timber widget]

yea i cant wait to figure out the trains as i hadn't been able to work with them yet either

[fringe pawn]

And yes, it would have been easier to belt it. But I wanted an automated factory cart somewhere 😛

Trains are nice because the tracks also carry power.

So if you route a train, you also route power.

[timber widget]

oh hell yea

[fringe pawn]

The biggest thing to be aware of is sticking to the shallow ramps for the climbs in a loop. They don't have the power to go up the steeper ones.

Trucks also work very nicely with trains, if you want to play with that as well. When they're out of render range, trucks ditch physics and pathfinding and use teleportation to work perfectly. So you can have trucks bringing stuff down from the mountains to a train depot, which then brings it all home.

I will say it's easier overall to just stick to belts instead of using trucks, but if you want the experience, knowing that trucks work perfectly when out of sight is key.

Also, if you want another nuclear waste disposal option, technically you can then put the plutonium fuel rods in those trucks, and they'll be used up without creating waste. 😛

[timber widget]

not a bad option though i may try to keep the train on one level and have it loop around im wanting to build my factory at the highest peak on the map (one by the desert) and have it loop around the entire world or have multiple trains running through but thats just something ill have to trouble shoot

[fringe pawn]

I have a factory up there too.

[opal temple]

Where exactly?

[fringe pawn]

It's an impure uranium node up really, really, high.

Scan for uranium in the NW desert, look for the highest point you see, then start climbing.

And take the time to make a hypertube and power connection as you go, if you intend to use it. Because it's really high.

[opal temple]

Hmm alright, I’ll keep an eye out for when I get to that stage. Not even close to uranium

[glacial hemlock]

You can fly up with lots of options, the fastest is still the cannon

[fringe pawn]

That's a fairly precise shot to make with a cannon.

[glacial hemlock]

The fall can be slightly controlled to make up for the error

[fringe pawn]

Wow. I don't know why my master production sheet just survived that browser crash, but huzzah! What's the best way to save the work I do in Greeny's tools? Just keep making shareable links and stash them in my Excel sheet?

[wind spade]

it should survive pretty much everything. It auto-saves after every change and it's not deleted when you're clearing cookies. You'd need to clear "localStorage" if you'd want to get rid of the data 😉 and yeah, for now you can't really save the thing easier than to share a link

unless you have some dev knowledge, then you can directly save contents of localStorage 😉

[fringe pawn]

All tabs got nuked and I was logged out of pretty much everything which is why I was surprised. No complaints, though!

[wind spade]

in the future there will be a way to make an account and make the production lines shared inside of that account

[wind spade]

well apparently your cookies got deleted, but I'm not saving into cookies 😉

good to hear that the data can survive such extreme cases tho

[fringe pawn]

The master worksheet has over 40 lines of production items to account for, so it would take some time to rebuild 😱

[wind spade]

yeah, for now just share a link to it 😛

or if you want I can show you how to save the localStorage contents directly 😉

[fringe pawn]

Recreating why exactly I decided I wanted 1.6 excess supercomputers and so forth... nope! Not today. 😛

Nah, I'll just start stashing links in Excel.

[wind spade]

I'm also planning to do more export/import options, so that there will be more ways to share production lines

[oblique hollow]

im waiting for the day where i can manually reconnect arrows

[wind spade]

oh ffs

[fringe pawn]

The secondary sheets would also be a big loss for me, so I'm saving all those now. For instance, I'm using iron wire for my beacon factory, and nowhere else. So I have a separate sheet for beacons, and added a manual entry saying I have 20 beacons per minute in the master sheet. Otherwise there's no way to tell my master sheet to only use iron wire there. For my encased uranium cells and AI limiters, I'm using default quickwire, and everywhere else I'm using fused quickwire. Generally this is based on resource proximity.

[wind spade]

yeah that's why I thought that saving localStorage would be easier for you 🤷‍♂️ but it requires some technical knowledge I guess 😄

[upbeat tide]

@wind spade I dont know if this is helpful feedback or not

But one way I like to use your tool is to have a tab gor the full production, lets use uranoum rods.

Then, I like to take the final input products and create a tab for each.

It would be cool if there was a parent/child relationship that I could use to link sub-plans to the main

If that makes sense

[wind spade]

yeah, I got that request a lot

[fringe pawn]

I'm actually in the process of figuring it out on my own, just for the sake of it (LocalStorage).

[upbeat tide]

Aah 🙂

[fringe pawn]

Ooh, I like that suggestion as well.

[wind spade]

it's not as easy tho and considering that I'm in the process of rewriting most of the code (super slow process), I don't want to do too many new features on old code

[upbeat tide]

Makes sense

My day job deals with that issue all the time

[wind spade]

that's also why there hasn't been too much updates in last 6 months

I was initially planning to do the u4 and u3 merge with the new code, but I think I'll do the merge now instead, since new version isn't coming soon 😄

[fringe pawn]

I'm visualizing a separate column in the section with resources and inputs. This third column would have dropdown line items you could add, similar to the second column that exists now. But instead of a list of items, it lists outputs that exist on linked sheets, if that makes sense?

[wind spade]

yeah, I'll see what stuff I'll need to do to make it work and define how it behaves first, then work on the implementation 🙂

UI is usually last thing to be done anyway

[fringe pawn]

Hm. 2:36 flight time for a drone round trip. That should be enough to hit 300 ore per minute with just one drone, right? Assuming no problems with the miner or anything.

[oblique hollow]

900 (9 stacks of ore) / 2.6 = ?

should be around 350 / min

the drone port should tell you the same

[fringe pawn]

Well shoot, its flight time is going up on each subsequent trip. 3:17 for the second tip, now 3:19 as it goes for the third.

Ah well, another drone on the other end is no problem in this case.

Though the port is now displaying numbers exactly as you'd expect based on the longer trips. I was hopeful when I saw the initial time, but it had no transfer rate because it had never completed a trip at that point.

[oblique hollow]

then you probably need 2 drones

[upbeat tide]

Soo im considering doubling my rubber/plastic fab from 1800 each to 3600 each 🙂

Basiclly all the blue crater oil

[fierce ruin]

Sounds like a thing.

[upbeat tide]

Would only be 370 refineries, 64 blenders, 40 water extractors, and 5 oil heads 🙂

[lyric bloom]

you could copy/paste your existing plant as a second story with SCIM

[upbeat tide]

Lol it already is two decks and some sub-decks

Wont be that simple

[fringe pawn]

It was worth corralling all those puppies, I overclocked pretty much everything for a lower building count in my recycling loop. Almost everything is running at 200% or higher. I think the whole system sucks down around 10GW to process 1800 oil.

1164 coke and 184 fuel are part of the production, so it would even higher if it were purely recycling.

[drifting pike]

what clock speed do i need to set a refiner to turn 80 cm3/min of heavy oil residue into residual fuel?

[fierce ruin]

you have the normal heavy oil residue consumption visible when you open the refinery UI, just do the math, or put the math formula directly in the refinery OC

[wind spade]

even 1% is more than you need... unless you mean m3 and not cm3

[drifting pike]

ya my bad

[wind spade]

for 80m3/min you need 1.5 refineries

[drifting pike]

i was thinking cubic meters so i put cm3

[wind spade]

the "3" is the "cubic" 🙂

cm = centimeter

[drifting pike]

ya i knew

i took intro and advanced engineering in high school a year and a half ago

[wind spade]

anyway, build two refineries and underclock one to 50%, or have both underclocked to 75%

[drifting pike]

what would the clock speed need to be for one refiner

[wind spade]

150%, but that's waste of power

as I said, you need 1.5 refinery, so total of 150% clock speed, but you can separate that over any number of buildings 😉

[hasty minnow]

Is there a website where you can put an input amount of ore and then it tells you how much stuff you can make from it? like 700 Ore per min = 100 Iron rods, 5 Reinforced plates etc? 🙂

[wind spade]

you can try mine, https://u4.satisfactorytools.com/

[hasty minnow]

ill give it a go 😄

I am in the process of building my mega factory, but i think ill be going down the route of specific buildings do certain production, instead of building EVERYTHING in a single building. What tile size do you recommend? like 40x40?

I guess you call them Satellite buildings?

[wind spade]

I recommend not sticking to any tiles, just make every factory as big as it needs to be

[hasty minnow]

Alright

Kind of getting overwhelmed by the thought of it lol

[fringe pawn]

IMO 20x20 is generally as big as you need for satellite buildings. At that point it may be more practical to add levels than increasing the footprint.

Even 15x15 is usually plenty.

[hasty minnow]

Alright, my starting area is dessert biome, so a lot of pure nodes

[wind spade]

that depends how much vertical are you building and what each satellite building does

for example my approach is that every factory makes final product out of raw resources

[hasty minnow]

Yeah that is what i was going towards greeny

[fringe pawn]

I'm currently walking a pure caterium ingot factory, and I did 33 refineries (at 250% clocks) in a 15x11 space. Single story.

[hasty minnow]

ahh k

yeah i was just messing around with the smart mod (insane mod, first mod i installed recently) and i built a platform of like 60x60....good lord lol

[fringe pawn]

Part of it is getting a feel for tight I/O setups.

[hasty minnow]

Yeah i am really picky when it comes to clean builds lol

@wind spade Does your website account for power shards?

[wind spade]

not really, but you can easily go around it. If the website tells you that you need 3.86 buildings, it means you need 386% in total, so e.g. 3 buildings @ 100% and one building at 86%. Or one building at 250% and one at 136%.

[hasty minnow]

Alright ty

[wind spade]

but overclocking anything but miners is usually just a waste of power

[hasty minnow]

oh really, interesting

ill keep that in mind

[wind spade]

250% overclocked building uses like 400% power

[hasty minnow]

oh lord lol

[wind spade]

same works for overclocking tho, so you're saving power if you're underclocking. Two machines at 50% use less power than one machine at 100%, but produce at same total speed

[fringe pawn]

IIRC it works out to a +73% per item energy cost if you're running your buildings at 250%. Especially once you get to the big juice suckers like refineries and manufacturers, those 250% clocks can really hit your power grid hard. Constructors aren't such a big deal to overclock because their energy use is fairly low to begin with - until you start make tons of them for something like iron wire.

[wind spade]

well all buildings scale at the same %, so yeah, overclocking one constructor may look better than overclocking one manufacturer, but the % increase is the same 🤷

[fringe pawn]

Probably best to wait for nuclear power before going ham on overclocking. My oil processing for 1800 crude was estimated to have 10GW~ max consumption, but I put almost everything at 100% clocks. Probably 150 turbofuel generators otherwise.

[hasty minnow]

Any youtube recommendations for loading balancing and overflow etc?

[wind spade]

recommendation: do not bother with balancing, just use manifolds 😛

[hasty minnow]

Alright lol

[wind spade]

unless for very specific cases, balancing is not really needed 🤷

[hasty minnow]

Sounds good to me! Been watching a lot of Kibitz lol

[wind spade]

I'm not a big fan of his tbh

[hasty minnow]

Any others you are fan of?

[wind spade]

I quite like TotalXclipse

[fringe pawn]

I don't have any that I feel strongly about one way or another, I've been picking bits and pieces from several of them. Ultimately because a lot of videos use outdated info I tend to get the best results by asking here.

[wind spade]

and AmelieOfTheSea

my issue with Kibitz may be outdated as well, but basically I was watching a few of his playthroughs and he used crappy recipes and called them good, so I just gave up 😄

[fringe pawn]

I did like Kibitz's truck video, where he nicely demonstrates how trucks behave rendered versus unrendered. For hard info he's pretty good.

The videos tend to be a little overlong, though. Which is an issue I often have, as I'm usually not there wanting entertainment. I'm all business.

[wind spade]

may have changed since I last watched his videos, was a year or two lol

[fringe pawn]

There are some good Reddit threads as well, that drone guide the wiki links to is solid.

[fringe pawn]

Here's a balancing setup I just made. Streams of 600, 600, 780 are being equalized, then heading to the 3 rows of refineries you see below. I agree with Greeny that's it's not worth it to do stuff like this, though. It would have been much easier to just have 3 unequal rows.

It looks like with default clocks that would have been rows of 25, 25, and 33.

[hasty minnow]

Interesting. Yeah seems like a lot of effort to produce that load balancing

[fierce ruin]

load balancer are often heavy to build, and not that usefull. If you just care about things being balanced in the end and not at all time it's easier to just put 1 smart splitter on the 780 line, with 1 normal output and 2 overflow, then merge overflow to the 2 other lines

[fringe pawn]

At best you can make tidy spaghetti. The quantity of belts, mergers, splitters, floor space and mental energy required to plan anything particularly advanced will generally have a simpler and equally effective solution.

[tepid sparrow]

oh my god
What have i done

[fringe pawn]

Why 6.6 instead of 6.4?

[glacial hemlock]

Why not 8.0? Lol

[fringe pawn]

Any sort of 4:4:1:1 ratio would make sense, so something slightly off from the appears peculiar.

[glacial hemlock]

Oh, my bad, the ratio is 4:4:1:1

After the gold cup, just remove the pasta from the party

[normal trout]

is there somewhere else i can find the user uploaded draw.io blueprints ? the https://satisfactory.tash.fyi/ link from the pinned comment doesn't seem to be working.

[oblique hollow]

try the subreddit

maybe some of oldshavingfoam's designs

[glad raven]

howw many Reinforced Iron Plates per minute is enough? I have 20 per minute currently and im trying to future proof

[bleak coral]

future proofing isn't a thing in this game, cause all the goals are arbitrary

1 - 2 machines worth is usually enough for most parts to keep up with building material needs, more for like plates, concrete, and belt material

and if those aren't keeping up with you, just add a few more

past that it's all personal goals

[glad raven]

Ty!

[native perch]

So, I'm making a foundation out to the slow kill box :)))))))) 150x200 :)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) help

[magic shadow]

use the smart mod

[native perch]

ew no

[magic shadow]

well have fun placing thousands of foundations manually then :D

[native perch]

I've done most of it :p

not like I don't have hours to waste

(spending afk time waiting for space ele making it)

[upbeat tide]

Smart is perhaps the best mod in the game.

Wait until your placing a hundred refineries in one go. Just wosh that pipes worked with its auto connect feature

[fringe pawn]

I'm looking forward to Smart once I put the finishing touches on my first playthrough. Though maybe I could start getting used to it now.

[upbeat tide]

I have had my first playthrough a few times now, so I dont mind using Smart. Just means I can make my big builds a tad faster

[supple belfry]

I don’t derive any pleasure from repetitive tasks like belting splitters and mergers to machines. If that’s your jam, go for it, but I don’t have that much free time to game, and there are lots of cool video games out there to play

[fringe pawn]

Kinda weird that click and hold to mass build foundation isn't vanilla. That's a pretty standard feature for building games.

[fierce ruin]

still early acces, and a recent dev update said they were working on improved building modes.

[upbeat tide]

I have NO IDEA what your talking about...😉

Placing 340 refineries is NOTTTT repetitive.......

/s

[drifting pike]

i have a question a fully overclocked oil node produces 600m3/min of crude oil and i have a mod that makes the recipe for fuel require 1.5m3/min of crude oil and produces 40m3/min of fuel and 30/min of polymer resin how much plastic/rubber/fuel a min could i make?

[upbeat tide]

I would avoid mods like that. The moment they break your game is fudged.

But if you really want to do it, just do the math, but it would be a LOT of refineries for sure

[bleak coral]

You downloaded a mod that changed the math and recipes. You're on your own buddy.

Best you can get is maybe help in the mod discord.

[shadow prairie]

Ask for mods over at the official modding discord. It is linked in #welcome

<3 @bleak coral

[fringe pawn]

In general I avoid mods for games which change content for this reason. Then I'm back to making all my own tools instead of using existing ones.

[upbeat tide]

Or at least limit to only QoL mods that wont cause any issues when game updates

[abstract prawn]

Lol there ya go mate, I say the same thing sometimes

[abstract prawn]

TFW you see Smart belt up the machines the first time 😁

[desert creek]

is there a map for the best spots to make certain kinds of factories/best spots to setup

[glacial hemlock]

@desert creek no

But refineries that require water are best to be built on open sea.

[desert creek]

ok thanks

[glacial hemlock]

Btw, if you build close to the center of the map, you could minimize the distance of belts or railways to everything

[upbeat tide]

Im now building my second set of 1800 rubber factory, and this time its going much faster 🙂

Also refined my build and setup process to avoid issues I had in the first edition.

[fringe pawn]

Eyeing my next playthrough, I'm tentatively going to look at a 42:42:168:168 build, that utilizes over max nuclear power, thus requiring a little turbofuel or something. First I'm going to learn to use Smart, though. To hell with placing thousands of iron wire constructors manually.

[upbeat tide]

Once im done with plastic and rubber city, gonna get to work on a 84/min crystal occilator setup. That number will use just under 600 rubber, and most of the crystal supply I have setup.

Then will have 2/4 of the parts ready for nuclear.

Next up will be electromag rods

[fringe pawn]

All the oscillators for rods? Ultimately nuclear power?

[upbeat tide]

I only need 50.4 crystal occilators, building a bit more than needed

Not all but majority

Already have the beacons built

[fringe pawn]

34 oscillators is a big excess, or is it for other production chains?

[upbeat tide]

For other needs, undecided but 30 occilators can go a good way

[fringe pawn]

You could always make an absurd amount of nobelisks 🤓

[fierce ruin]

or use it for RCU, that seems to be better value

[upbeat tide]

Most likely RCU’s yup

But yea never would use for nobelisks

[fringe pawn]

I actually just spent a good amount of time trying to use nobelisks to kill monsters. I see the appeal now, but nothing gamechanging.

[upbeat tide]

They are useless vs the bugs tho

[fringe pawn]

Only useful against hogs as far as I can tell, yeah.

[fierce ruin]

for motor, crystal oscillator are also in the lower weighted point recipe, but i would still prefer other recipe. For computer i think the recipe with crystal oscil is worse than the others. For nobelisk it's ok, but it's such a low production anyway.

[upbeat tide]

Normal motors I feel are still better

For computer, caterium computer is best

[fringe pawn]

I used rigour motor and copper rotor and didn't particularly care for it, yeah. I even threw in quickwire stator, because I'm actually using all caterium wire, so it makes sense with those other recipes in mind.

I think the ideal motor factory probably uses steel rotor, iron wire, and solid steel ingot.

[fierce ruin]

Rigour motor are optimal according to weighted point; but gaining a lot of iron and a bit a coal at expense of quartz, copper, oil and caterium... well i feel there is better use for all of these material.

steel rotor is kinda expensive; it's good because it makes motor production easy, but it's expensive

[fringe pawn]

It greatly simplifies production, though.

[fierce ruin]

depends on how you want to organise your build. For my current playthrough it was way easier to use copper/normal rotor considering the ressources available where i wanted to build them

mainly because i wanted a huge stator production that didn't let a lot of coal for rotor.

[fringe pawn]

Right, if there's nearby copper you may as well use it. I think part of the reason the motor alts also lose value is they come so late. You can build a motor factory to last you the whole game pretty much as soon as you unlock steel.

[upbeat tide]

I have used quickwire stator in the past and actually like it. You can make soo much quickwire anyway via fused quickwire. I also used it in my electromag rod factory, so quickwire stator + silicon high speed connector paired well

[fringe pawn]

Quickwire stator makes a lot of sense within other production chains, that's true. Looking at the part lists for those things, it does make a lot of sense.

That's some of the final experimentation I'm doing in this world, is testing those sort of segmentations.

[upbeat tide]

Well, when you need alot of high speed connectors, and stators for electromag rods, it meches well. Your gonna be making alot of quickwire anyway, and the need for the stators isnt too much of an increase

[fringe pawn]

So, so, so much quickwire.

Luckily caterium ingots fly well.

[upbeat tide]

You get 1800 quickwire from only 150 cat ingots

[oblique hollow]

Fused Wire best :)

[upbeat tide]

Yea its nice, but there isnt alot of need for mass wire.

[fierce ruin]

iron wire best

[upbeat tide]

Iron wire is the simplest, but not the best

Its actually very inefficient

[fierce ruin]

depends on what you call innefficient, ressources usage or nmber of machines

[fringe pawn]

Closest ore node of any sort if fine for wire until you're pushing against resource limits.

[fierce ruin]

iron wire is ressource efficient

[upbeat tide]

True, I do use it alot. Iron wire

[vestal jackal]

if i make 3 items per minute how long will it take to get 500 items im to lazy to do the simple math

[supple belfry]

Oh buddy. There’s a calculator in game.

Press N. Plug in numbers. Press enter.

[bleak coral]

just remember it evaluates right to left, so for multi-step things you need parenthesis or it may not give you the expected result

[queen rivet]

The answer is 42.

[upbeat tide]

@fringe pawn this is what my recycled loop looks like, 1800 rubber output on this floor

[cloud shard]

that's a lot of fuel

but how do you funnel out 1800 rubber

a mk5 belt can only handle 780

[frosty owl]

I'd do 3 belts of 600

[upbeat tide]

No

10 recycled refineries makes 600

Times 3

[cloud shard]

so... it's 3 times a 600 rubber setup merged together?

[upbeat tide]

Pretty much

[echo sage]

https://discord.gift/HD8YJfXjfvaaKZNh

[river venture]

do it again

[stark bronze]

But with an unclaimed one else thered be bo point in that

[native perch]

I caved

I got smart
It's just too damn good

[fringe pawn]

Eh, I won't take any of the free Nitro offers I've ever seen, even when I know they're legit. I generally refuse to support anything that requires you to enter billing information for a free trial.

[sinful rover]

lmao my 1 year free subscription ends today

pain

[frosty owl]

Your loss
They don't charge anything :P

[fringe pawn]

As long as you remember to turn off auto renew.

And I have no illusions about that being difficult. It's simply a business practice that I will not support.

[frosty owl]

Or you just never have enough money there to begin with

[fringe pawn]

I have a prepaid debit card with $0.01 if I need it. Given bigger incentives I've pulled it out before, but I don't care about the emojis and so forth.

[upbeat tide]

I personally see no real value add with nitro.

The games they “offer” I can find elsewhere. The service benefits to ME are not worth the cost

[wind spade]

it's one click in your profile menu 🤷‍♂️

[wind spade]

better streaming quality and bigger uploads are good enough for me to support it

[fringe pawn]

Occasionally the upload limit annoys me I guess. But that's maybe once every few months.

[frosty owl]

Worth enough when it's free :P
Anyway, we might should may move this

[upbeat tide]

Yea you have reasons.

I dont stream on Discord, and only server I ever find a need to upload larger files is this one.

True. Back on topic. My super sized plaatic/rubber fab is coming along nicely

One more 1800 plastic setup to go

[fringe pawn]

I need to automate trucks or something to use this packaged turbofuel I decided to make. But the problem with the geographic restrictions I gave myself is trucks will never work because they're always in sight. 😬

[frosty owl]

Ugh... I'm at 760 machines (probably ~1k of you account for OC) and I'm just barely starting to see the end of this nuclear rods project

[upbeat tide]

Sounds normal

50.4 rods?

[frosty owl]

Yep... From ores to rod in 1 locations

[upbeat tide]

Honestly the rods is the easy part

Its the actual reactors that will drive you mad

[frosty owl]

I mean... I started with the idea of importing everything except for quickwire, which made for a decently "small" building
But when I decided to make it fully autonomous... then things exploded lol

[upbeat tide]

Yup 🙂 alot of cheap silica and fused wuickwire assemblers

[frosty owl]

Eh, why so?
I'm finding those the easiest even time-wise. Didn't take long to be planned out too, once I found out in what number to divide them into

[upbeat tide]

This was mine. U3 doesnt exist anymore

Oh cheap silica and fused quickwire isnt hard just takes alot of space

Those huge assembler rows are for those teo alone

[fringe pawn]

Are your encased cells going yet? You might start allowing a few containers of those to pile up as buffer.

[frosty owl]

I'm making 50% of that in 1:1 setups with the machines requiring it :P
The rest is made very close to consumption and handled through simple balancing and belt mixing...
It's becoming fancy in many ways if I may say so myself 😆

[frosty owl]

I feed those 1:1 to the rods manifacturers

Minimum radioactive footprint

[fringe pawn]

Encased cells don't emit much radiation. I allowed 15 containers of them to pile up while I was working on the rest of my nuclear setup. The radiation footprint is small, I think maybe 5 foundations in each direction? And not even very damaging if you go right next to it.

[frosty owl]

Hardest part about silica was finding convenient numbers for its setup for me, tbh...
Like: how many assemblers so the total input and output are both nice numbers

[frosty owl]

Yeah, I know, but why waste storaging space when you can feed the next machine directly?
(The output is the same as the rod's input!)

It was also good practice for me before making the plutonium setup ahah

[fringe pawn]

Plenty of space on the map for 15 containers. Not really wasting anything because the reactors weren't running yet. I still needed oscillators or electro rods or something.

[frosty owl]

Honestly, I'd sink them
Just because I never build the rods step bigger than what I need, so I'd have no use for the extra cells unless the cell production goes offline for some reason :man_shrugging:

[fringe pawn]

Heck, at that particular site the quickwire machines are slightly underclocked as well because I had plenty of space. With space being cheap and it being a trivial sink item, I just keep them as a contingency.

[frosty owl]

I still struggle with having enough space inside factories

Hate to leave empty areas and such :/

[fringe pawn]

There it is, up on the distant peak, actually. I built the encased cell factory right over the uranium node.

[upbeat tide]

I just did belts of 700 silica.

300 quartz and 500 limestone in > 700 silica out

I also did my fused quickwire in belts of 450. 1800 made from 150 cat ingots and 750 copper

@frosty owl this was the quickwire dostribution hub

[frosty owl]

Quickwire is terribly convenient!
It's just 1:1 or 1:2 with pure refineries, you can feed small setups with simple mixed belts :praisethesun: :harmonious_hannah:

[frosty owl]

Yeah, this kind of quickwire meme is the exact reason why I wanted to avoid having the quickwire production more than 200m away from consumption
Atm I don't even have 2 quickwire belts in the same foundation

[upbeat tide]

Yea this is all local production and local consumption

Im not a mascist enough to train quickwire 😄

Or was all local I should rephrase

[frosty owl]

I go for any multiple of 8 and split off the silica needed (excess is routed towards a "mixed output" for the whole factory)
In sets of 8 its 90 quartz + 150 limestone -> 210 silica all numbers I find pretty convenient to deal with ^^

And scales very well for any possible output/min

[upbeat tide]

I find 450 belts of quickwire extremely convenient. Especially for silicon high speed connectors, it was a very good output rate

But yes, putting down a row of 28 assemblers for a single belt of 700 solica does make you reconsider life decisions 😄

[fringe pawn]

I send caterium ingots via drones now. It's pretty nice. 2 normal and 1 pure node came out to 990 ingots, so that's easy to fly anywhere.

[frosty owl]

That (making huge arrays) is the main reason why I converted to maiing big "complex arrays". More fun and less belt (especially lkng ones) (eg: copper/caterium refineries feed 1:1 quickwire assemblers, next to that silica assemblers, all fed into a HSC manifacturer (circuit boards in another building since its just one belt))

They also look Hella interesting to me though 😆

Expansion to eg: Just repeat the "refineries+assemblers+manifacturer" combination for however many times needed to get a pattern going

[upbeat tide]

Im currently working on this behemoth. Once done, probably wont need to worry about plastic/rubber for a long, long time

@frosty owl

[thorn pollen]

bauxite is only used alu is that correct

[upbeat tide]

Will be 3600 rubber/plastic once the 4th layer is done

[frosty owl]

3600 of each?

[upbeat tide]

Yup

[thorn pollen]

nice pipe work

[upbeat tide]

SCIM overhaed

[frosty owl]

So 5x the plastic/rubber setup I made in 15ish houts the first time... I wonder how long it'll take you
Using try polymer for rubber too or do you sink it/use it for else?

[upbeat tide]

Resin is only used for rubber, yes

No sinking of it. For the two rubber builds, they output 1600 rubber and the 200 from residual makes up the remainder

Takes me about a day per layer and im 3 layers in. One to go

Most of it tho is wasting time in asthetics, testing, etc

This is the top most floor, one of the rubber floors

Left side is the needed recycled plastic and right is the output and needed recycled rubber to keep the plastic makers happy

[thorn pollen]

weird color scheme

hehe

[upbeat tide]

Raw data

[left jolt]

I can't work out why there's sometimes an overflow of ironbars

It should be a perfect ratio 🤔

[frosty owl]

Are you usingg normal splitters?

[left jolt]

no

those are smart splitters at the end

[frosty owl]

Could just be taking time to "stabilize". Try emptying out the machine's inventory and see if the rods still pile up

[frosty owl]

Any chance you're interested in a "new" pipework design?
I can't wait to try it out for my next oily project :superexcited:
#screenshots message

[upbeat tide]

One thing I know from @oblique hollow is that pipe under-fed refineries isnt such a good idea due to junction and pressure bugginess

For output it is fine, but not input

Unless im misunderstanding

[oblique hollow]

it CAN work but im really not a fan of it

its very nice for neat pipes..... but a pain for actually working with pipes

output is fine, because there, Flow from machines comes in bursts anyway

but input.... mmmmmmmmmmmh

If you wanna give it a shot, go ahead, id be happy to hear that it works

but unless you fill every single pipe, theres gonna be problems

[calm gale]

btw this can explain my pipe thing from b4 if any1 remembers wat i was mentioning the pipe going left to right was the one i was saying to upgrade to mk2 when u can but the ones going top to bottom keep mk1

[oblique hollow]

if a machine doesnt need more than 300 flow, then connecting it to the feed pipe with a mk 1 is ok.
The Mk 2 Pipe has a sort of splitting priority over mk 1
example: a mk 2 pipe going into a junction and then splitting into a mk 1 and mk 2
the exit mk 2 pipe gets more flow than the mk 1

[calm gale]

then i have bad luck cause no matter how i place mk1 pipes going left to right it will never send enough fluid through without pumps or afking for 3-4 hours without being able to use the systems

[oblique hollow]

yeah, you need to fill it up. thats the thing

[calm gale]

thats the thing the main pipe is full or never fills from the pump pipes so yea idk

[oblique hollow]

and if you want to split numbers precisely at a junction, use valves

[oblique hollow]

you do pay attention to head lift, right?

[calm gale]

duh

[left jolt]

https://i.cubityfir.st/gceLzMeU9J

[calm gale]

also i might have to use a valve cause ure fuel setup u gave me seems to backstuff on fuel

[left jolt]

Have I done the math wrong somewhere?

[oblique hollow]

are those mk 1 belts

[left jolt]

All Mk3

[oblique hollow]

check if it actually is mk 3 everywhere

[left jolt]

It's the only belt in my hotbar

and I'm not picking MK1/MK2 from the mneu

[oblique hollow]

is every machine at 100 % efficiency?

[left jolt]

yeah

[oblique hollow]

if the belt backs up and the machines are at 100%, then there is no problem

[left jolt]

I mean, it shouldn't be backing up rright?

It should stay at basically exactly equilibrium

[fierce ruin]

do you have enough screws for your assembler ? that can cause the backup

[left jolt]

yeah, they take 25 and they fill up beyond 50 every time it completes a craft

[oblique hollow]

make sure you dont confuse clock speed with efficiency

[left jolt]

https://i.cubityfir.st/vq7VrD2uay

🤔

[oblique hollow]

is that in every machine?

[left jolt]

some are 98

the two at the end are 99

[oblique hollow]

aaaaand what about machine outputs?

are some outputs not emptying?

[left jolt]

ok 1 sec

all outputs should be

they're going into a sink so

can't imagine a way for this not to clear up https://i.cubityfir.st/fN4T2CwS9W

I'm assuming machines never hit 100% efficiency?

[oblique hollow]

they do, but dont display it right

99% is about 100%

i assume this is what you have?

[left jolt]

yeah

basically

[oblique hollow]

then try grabbing some rods off the belt. if it doesnt fill back up, all is fine

[fierce ruin]

can you screenshot where your rod split between assembler and screws ? i can't see that well on the first screenshot

[left jolt]

https://i.cubityfir.st/wFXX5rtm5R

[fierce ruin]

you need a smart splitter here or it's normal that you get a bit more rod than needed on the assembler (and i think you said yo had a overflow on rod on the assembler ?)

[left jolt]

yeah, like 10/min or something

it's not much overflow but it's there.

[fierce ruin]

this splitter split 45/45 and not 40/50 if it can

so you should have either backup or overflow on the assemblers

[left jolt]

so should I use a smart splitter

redirect any to the left, and then overflow to the asemblers

[fierce ruin]

well, smart splitter will also create a backup; but you can choose the side

but a backup isn't a problem; when things backup up to that splitter, it will start deliver rods as needed

but you shouldn't see backup before this splitter; just after

[left jolt]

I wish there was a tool, that you could "attach" to a belt, and measure how many items pass through it a minute

[oblique hollow]

i hate saying this phrase but:
"Theres a mod for that"

[frank mesa]

LoL indeed

[left jolt]

I normally do my first playthrough of any game unmodded so

[fringe pawn]

RIght there with you. Finally putting the finishing touches on this playthrough and looking at moving to Experimental with mods.

[frosty owl]

True that!
But I took it into account! :happy_hannah:
See the two buffers at the end of the line in the screenshot? I'll let those full up before booting the system. That way those will just empty out into the manifold, achieving 3 things at once
-Ultra quick fluid filling for the machines
-Place to check if the water is running fine (after filling up the manifold it they should maintain level)
-Water buffer close to production for whatever need ^^

And yes, the buffers are at the end of the line, not in the middle of it

I think this should work fine @oblique hollow
It's far from max flow anyway ^^ (600/min)
Reference screen #screenshots message

[oblique hollow]

Hmmm with buffers i guess it should work

[frosty owl]

Not gonna lie, having the pipes below makes having the buffers on the same level of the refineries very convenient
I'm really liking this setup :laughing:

Oil, I'm coming with a vengeance

@bleak coral Do you think you can guess what this sushi monster is/does? 😏

[bleak coral]

heavy modular frames?

wait no those manufacturers are feeding back into the process? or are they?

some computer shit maybe?

[fringe pawn]

My guess is something involving silicon high speed interconnects.

[oblique hollow]

Mixed belts is my guess because smart / prog splitter

[fierce ruin]

i agree with mixed belts; so it end up producing nothing because of mixed belts that got clogged !

[frosty owl]

Ahah, no, that's the belt to manage the extra rubber
Sorry for late, a friend came up: it makes Insulated Crystal Oscillators! (The assemblers are for AI limiters and Quickwire)

Since I have a spacious belting space below, I can get away with some weird balancing shenanigans and mix the belts coming up in the correct ratio, so no excess should be left on belt as long as the manifacturers neveer stop production

Well, other than rubber, due to the bad input/min needed for that, but I just unload that on the crystal oscillator belt :P

But I really like being able to feed/manage each setup with a single belt <3

I think it's 9 oscillators/min per setup due to OC

[frosty owl]

And it's both btw
Smart first to get the sheets for the AI lim.
Then a pog splitter for rubber - quartz crystals - cat/copp ingots
Finally a smart for the cat/copper and another one for the rubber overflow

As long as I mix them with the right balancing, it should:tm: work out...

[oblique hollow]

pog splitter LUL

[frosty owl]

110 oscillators/min sure a lot of work

[frank mesa]

Mixed belts can work, but you will need to overflow into a sink eventually

[upbeat tide]

I would recommend to not mix belts. Its not that fun to deal with it.

[frosty owl]

I'll try my luck

[frosty owl]

If you mix the materials in the right ratio on the belts, you don't even need the sink 😉
Eg: mix an iron and copper smelters' output, smart split into 4 wire and iron rods constructors: as long as the constructors don't back up, the smart splitter will never back up/fail

One could be "one step ahead" and make sure the constructors always have a connection to the sink instead

[fierce ruin]

having a sink as a backup to prevent major problems is still good.

[frosty owl]

You can always just add one if you have problems
It's up to how much space you have too

I prefer to have as few sinks as possible just because I haven't found a way I like to fit them inside a building 😅

[fierce ruin]

then fit them outside the building 🙂 but seriously, i like your design with mixed belt, i still don't find them to my taste, but it's good to see some build that change from the usual

[upbeat tide]

They fit great in refinery buildings 🙂

My recycled factory has a bunch

1 sink per polymer resin belt
1 per output belt. And there will be 12 output belts and 4 resin belts

[fierce ruin]

i use sink only for output with my oil refinery, and make sure i use all the resin; but that still a lot of sink

[upbeat tide]

I could probably lose my resin sinks, they are a “emergency”thing anyway

[frosty owl]

Funny enough, refineries are where I need sinks the least 😆
I tend to need them close to the manifacturers or high tier processing areas, due to mixed belts and/or weird inputs leaving unwanted overflow

[upbeat tide]

I use them mostly to ensure the recycled loops never stop

[frosty owl]

They'll go away... Soon™️~

[upbeat tide]

It will be using trains to move most of the plastic or rubber depending on where its needed, soo those sinks are permanent

[frosty owl]

That just depends on how you build
Most of the plastic/rubber setups I made either had all the output consumed immediately (no need for sinking) or brought away by trains
So I ended up needing to sink either the products made from plastic (close to manifacturers) or wherever the train unloaded the plastic (close to non-refineries)

[fierce ruin]

[upbeat tide]

I do plan to add more to my blue crater, like my crystal occilator setup and maybe electromag ctrl rods too but thats mild plastic/rubber usage there

Honestly this build is as much for future proofing as anything else

[frosty owl]

Right??
It's fun to try out new designs :praisethesun:
Just choosing to use mixed belts on that particular setup opened up so many different design possibilities~ :harmonious_hannah:

[frosty owl]

Is it gonna be a "global" crystal oscill. factory?

I'm planning to make mine be enough for the whole save. About 112/min

[fierce ruin]

[upbeat tide]

Maybe, but limited to what I can get from 1200 quartz mostly.

50.4 for nuclear and the rest for RCU’s

Around 84 ish a min planned

[frosty owl]

I went for 50.4+60 just because 60 RCU/min is a neat number ^^ (and fits the general factory plan)
Plus a small extra for myself ofc

I really don't wanna need to ever take items from machines

[upbeat tide]

Nice. May do that too, but will need to source more quartz

Im not going to use the 6 nodes north of the swamp for this, those are destined for silica en masse

[frosty owl]

Eh, sorry, I didn't mean RCU. I meant whatever project part that uses crystal oscillators in a 1:1 ratio
THOSE at 60/min 😅

[upbeat tide]

Yea I understood.

But RCU would be the main use. I wouldnt use crystal computer for example personally

[fierce ruin]

that's fun, between this, your 1200 quartz for oscillator factory, and almost your oil factory i feel like we are more or less doing the same plans at the moment

[frosty owl]

I don't know of anyone building "big" using those

[fierce ruin]

you mean crystal computer or RCU using crystal oscill ? because if i don't see any appeal to the first, the later seems ok

[upbeat tide]

Crystal computer is meh. Just do caterium computers 🙂

And the RCU alt is nice, just because its a tad more efficient for those needs

[fierce ruin]

RCU is interesting: you have the choice between reducing the bauxite cost, or reducing almost all other cost

Does this setup work with smart splitters without an Awesome Sink? It's at perfect ratio

[upbeat tide]

I would advise against it, but sure?

[fierce ruin]

Why advise against it?

[upbeat tide]

I just have never had good luck with mixed belts is all

[fierce ruin]

I have been running this setup for 24 hours and its still working?

mixed belt is just easier to screw up, and often harder to build. But if it works, no problem.

[upbeat tide]

Soo, I was looking at circuit board recipes, thinking I may do electrode boards, before I got my final plastic recycled loop built.

Wow, electrode board sucks

Electrode vs caterium boards

Ignore the intermediates on the cat boards, forgot to add recycled loop and fused quickwire, but the numbers still are very different

The plan for electrode was to take the last pure oil node and make the coke. But wow thats a major difference

[fierce ruin]

Electrode board might be useful just if you have way too much oil; but it use a lot of it, way more than other circuit board recipes.

[upbeat tide]

Decided to do a quick comparison note on circuit boards

Yup, caterium circuit board wins

[cedar mica]

Silicon with byproduct silicon from Aluminium...

[upbeat tide]

No option. Sloppy solution all day here 🙂

I have done silicon circuit board before too

[cedar mica]

Just saying, what wins, depends on what you have available

[upbeat tide]

@cedar mica this is my aluminum factory. 9780 ingots

[cedar mica]

With sloppy as base, you should get 13040 ingots

[upbeat tide]

Sloppy + electrode + pure

No silica at all

The quartz cost is too high for normal aluminum ingots at max production

[cedar mica]

True, that 7k quartz, is a steep price for the 3.3k extra ingots

[frosty owl]

As long as the ratio is right, it'll work. You could even use a normal splitter if you manage to sincronize its outputs

[fringe pawn]

For circuit boards, I tend to favor silicon, just because where else are you going to use quartz otherwise? I think aluminum ingots are the other recipe that will gobble up a ton of it. Everything else uses it in modest quantities.

[loud heron]

It's funny when you try alts to cut down on precious materials

Then you have all this quartz or caterium lying around.

[frosty owl]

Where are you gonna use the quartz? For cheap silica ofc! :D

Which goes in nuclear production and HSC production

[fringe pawn]

Right, but those don't use tons of quartz.

A couple normal quartz nodes (the worst you'll find, every other location is 1 normal+1 pure or better) can produce over 200 silicon HSC. Enough for most people.

In its whole supply chain, depending on your choices, I think a couple normal nodes may be adequate for max nuclear as well?

The silicon circuit boards and HSC are practically one product, just feed quickwire into that factory as well and you're set.

[fringe pawn]

Oscillators present an interesting choice. The quartz cost on the default recipe is astronomical compared to the alt, but the default recipe can otherwise be made with only iron.

[topaz hedge]

caterium is the only way to do circuitboards... silicone is okay.. if you have to do it without oil.. but it punishes you with increased copper and the addition of silica.

[hasty minnow]

Hey everyone! Question, I am getting 1200 Crude Oil and i need 375 /min in one line and the rest (825/min) to another line. I thought about using a valve but it maxes out at 300/m. Would i be able to use to valves? Or is that not possible?

[fierce ruin]

The Wiki claims valves go to 600, is that wrong?

You do have it hooked to mk2 pipes?

[hasty minnow]

oh

i didnt try that after upgrading the pipes to mk2

😄

[fierce ruin]

It would be messy but if it really doesn't work any other way you could split the pipe, use 2 valves and remerge the pipe.

[hasty minnow]

Yeah i just thought about that when i was getting my coffee, would be super weird to do

[fierce ruin]

So it should work with just one valve then?

But the 825 has to be split anyway.

[hasty minnow]

Reference as to what I am doing

[fierce ruin]

Unless you've got some mk3 pipes lying around. 😉 😜

[hasty minnow]

LOL

That even in the game? Sorry haven't progressed past tier 6 yet

157 hours total game play

[fierce ruin]

I haven't tested valves, but wouldn't you want a valve on each line?

[hasty minnow]

been playing with a friend

well ill paint out my thought process

[fierce ruin]

Nope, no mk3 pipes.

[hasty minnow]

So i was thinking by restricting the flow to the right after the split

it would force the rest of the oil through the intersection

but i guess i would need another pipe on the left

to split off again because of only 600/min

[fierce ruin]

But might you not get less flow through the valve if you don't use valves on the left as well?

[hasty minnow]

Good point :S

[fierce ruin]

Or will that work out since 375 is less then the 412.5 or so you'll have in each of the two left pipes?

[hasty minnow]

that is what i was thinking

that it would force the rest of the liquid to the other pipe

[fierce ruin]

Except that's more than 600!

[hasty minnow]

Yeah then i would add another split to the left

breaking up that 825

[fierce ruin]

As, I said, I'm no valve expert, but are you sure that you'd force 375 through the right pipe without valves to the left as well?

[hasty minnow]

One way to find out! hahah

[fierce ruin]

True!

So, are you thinking on making the left pipes a loop, reconnecting them after the refineries/blenders or just manifold them and trust that they divide the flow properly?

[hasty minnow]

Trust...

it should eventually even out in a manifold system? (if i thinking correctly of the manifold system)

key word "should"

[fierce ruin]

I think so, as long as the refineries/blenders use the exact amounts (or less) but you should probably make sure all the pipes are filled before starting all the users.

[hasty minnow]

yeah they are all using the same

[fierce ruin]

Somebody suggested adding fluid buffers since the machines wouldn't fill until turned on.

[hasty minnow]

Yeah might add those in

[fierce ruin]

As they put it, you want the machines fluid content to vary between 50 and 49, not between 1 and 0.

[fringe pawn]

I guess I need to be more diligent about checking my doggos, I'm about to use the last of my power shards.

[glacial hemlock]

Block the output pipe until the machines are all saturated

[oblique hollow]

That wont work like depicted.
For one, 800 flow is not possible. Use 2 pipes there.
Secondly, without limiting the "rest" pipes too, the pipe cant build up enough pressure and you wont actually get 375 /min on the other side

Oh... Now i know why the bot reacted.
"dEPICted"

[hasty minnow]

Thanks for the advice Piping expert 😁. Will tackle it soon

[oblique hollow]

@bleak coral got a moment?
i think i finally discovered fluid priority input

though i cant be sure......

might need to test this elsewhere

[glacial hemlock]

That's a breakthrough.

[oblique hollow]

alright. seems stable. Bottom Input Pipe has Input Priority over the top Pipe

so the pipe coming in from the left has priority over the one coming from the right

aaaaand its stable

[glacial hemlock]

Try using with recycled fluid system and see if it can clear backlog by itself?

[oblique hollow]

hmm... good point

[upbeat tide]

Thats my main problem right now with my alu factory. Even tho its balanced right, it likes to backup for the water

Its setup like this

External supply > sloppy solution < electro scrap byproduct

[fierce ruin]

if you don't want problem, don't mix external supply and byproduct

[bleak coral]

Are all the pumps and valves necessary?

[oblique hollow]

valve was to limit flow rate

and back pump for the pressure to fill the buffer

but i think front 2 are necessary

[fierce ruin]

have you tried just switching top and bottom, to be sure it's really a top/bottom thing and not something that can come from other reason like how the pipe is built before ?

[bleak coral]

is limiting the flowrate generally neccessary, or just in this specific setup?

[oblique hollow]

testing now

[fierce ruin]

and also, is it the same if the output is on top or on bottom ?

[oblique hollow]

so far so good

[oblique hollow]

bottom is priority is my guess

it actually seems to work. huh

the source (resource well) is in fact getting limited

before anyone jumps to conclusions:
Dont use this yet!

im still trying to figure out the limits of this

[supple belfry]

So…takeaway, assuming this bears fruit: put your recycling along the bottom pipeline, and supplemental flow in from the top?

[bleak coral]

huh it's dead simple too, coulda sworn this was tested before but I can't remember why it wasn't widely spread

[oblique hollow]

basically. but wait until im done with tests xd

[fierce ruin]

that seems like a decent guess; but testing that when the output is linked to the top cross section seems a good additionnal test... we never know, sometime pipes do strange things

[oblique hollow]

i dunno. its just the thought of "gravity takes priorty" but that never worked before

it never did.
but all i did now was to reverse my output priority build

this one

i basically turned it into a variable flow merger

so now instead of Output priority (bottom first)
..... its input priority?

[fringe pawn]

This is nice for aluminum if it holds up.

[oblique hollow]

still not backing up

[bleak coral]

which is far more useful IMO, since recycling is more prominent than needing overflow for liquids

[oblique hollow]

and this is the unlimited low priority input

it jumps up and down, of course

buuut it averages to 80

and im using sloppy here

so 120 + 80 = 200, just what it needs

i will be testing this bad boi thoroughly

Pray this works and doesnt get patched for being too broken xd

[bleak coral]

this would be the best solution for recycling by far, cause you could overfeed it until it reachs equilibrium, then down-clock the water extractors, and not worry about flooding the system

[oblique hollow]

or just overfeed and never care at all

and the rest goes elsewhere

[bleak coral]

buh muh energy efficiency

[oblique hollow]

I think not even Factorio had Priority Inputs. Only with Mods

[fringe pawn]

Does anyone use the standard battery recipe? I think that's the only other place I'd use this.

[oblique hollow]

also for uranium

sulfuric acid

and the recycling of waste

[fringe pawn]

Ah, one of the uranium defaults

[oblique hollow]

well.... its been going for a while now.... time to test more cases

[fringe pawn]

The non-fissile recipe actually just needs to be bootstrapped with a resevoir though, you can remove external water entirely.

[upbeat tide]

Each side has a directional valve, thoughts then?

This is a slice of the alu factory

[bleak coral]

I don't fully trust that, so you could use this as a safety valve for " self-sufficient* " systems
*pending floating point errors

[fringe pawn]

I cut the water extractor off from my non-fissile loop once all buildings were full and a resevoir was 200/400~. I don't really go over there, but the lights are still on. 🤞

[fierce ruin]

what i do to prevent all problem: my refinery making sloppy solution use either only byproduct water, or use only external water. usually that just make me build 1 more factory than needed, but i'm sure to be safe on my water system.

[upbeat tide]

Issue is this is max aluminum, 9780 ingots. I dont have enough things to consume THAT much byproduct water 😄

But its only two lines that are acting up too, not all of them. So it works, just needs tweaking

[fierce ruin]

you can still send water to sloppy alumina solution: just kinda separate the refinery producing sloppy alumina in 2: one part that use external water, 1 part that use byproduct water.

[oblique hollow]

alright, so with more "steps" it indeed seems to be Input Hierarchy: Priority decreases bottom to top

[upbeat tide]

Maybe, wouldnt take much retooling either

Because byproduct comes in from one side of the sloppy refineries and external the other

[oblique hollow]

alright, it also seems the output pipe doesnt matter: if you have it on top or bottom, it still prefers the bottom pipe as input

it DOES get more complicated with multiple in and outputs though

[fierce ruin]

really cool testing ! thank you for doing all of that

[oblique hollow]

ill release the official info in my new manual once its time.

until then: you are at your own risk if you decide to use this

alright, what should i call this?
The other One is the "Variable Output Priority" Circuit
Should this be the "Variable Input Priority" Circuit ?

VOP and VIP xd

[thorn bane]

i solved all of that with trains <3

the train gets the extra water from the scrap and brings it to the alumina solution

and because the alumina solution uses more water than the aluminum scrap there will always be enough space in the train for the extra water

[oblique hollow]

yeah but trains are a bit overkill

still nice tho that you managed it

[thorn bane]

trains are love trains are life

[oblique hollow]

well now, with luck, theres a smaller alternative

[thorn bane]

and then similar for uran/battery/acids

[upbeat tide]

Just use classic battery. Its better anyway 🙂

Less alu and little less on sulfur

[analog ledge]

ima starting to hate satisfactory bc my first save had 3 pads of iron at one place and i keep making new ones and they are far away

;-;

im trying to restart

[oblique hollow]

they are all always in the same spot you know

and the starting areas are all the same too

meaning: you spawn within a certain region of the 4 spawns every time

also @analog ledge what do you mean "keep making new ones"

[analog ledge]

i keep making new ones to get ore closer to me

[fierce ruin]

making new what ?

[analog ledge]

saves

[oblique hollow]

that wont get you closer

the ore location never changes

its a fixed map

[analog ledge]

then how come my first save had 3 ore pods together?

and close to me

[oblique hollow]

do you mean the rocks or the nodes

[analog ledge]

nodes

[river venture]

You spawn in a random area in a spawn zone

[fierce ruin]

you spawn in a random point in a given area; but the map is fixed

[analog ledge]

iron

[river venture]

Check scim and select spawn zones

[fierce ruin]

so if you just move and explore you will find nodes

[analog ledge]

its alright im playing factorio

[oblique hollow]

when you choose a location you spawn within a radius

[analog ledge]

factorio and satisfactory are basically the same just one is 2D and one is 3D

[wooden pond]

No

SF =! Factorio

[upbeat tide]

They are only the same in that they are factory games. Thats it

[wooden pond]

Both games very different

[wooden pond]

^^ just the category

[analog ledge]

they act the same

[oblique hollow]

Factorio: Factory Planner
Satis: Modded Minecraft

[frosty owl]

SF is more than Factorio 2 or Factorio 3
It's Factorio 3D

[wooden pond]

no they don't....

[fierce ruin]

they don't act the same at all, they have very different focus, they just are the same general genre

[oblique hollow]

they are just in the same genre of factory games

you cant play both the same way

[wooden pond]

You can't generalise

or else dyson sphere would be the same

or else if i said that about a shooter then apparently all shooters are the same

you don't enter with the same mindset when you play FC after you've play SF

[stone orbit]

the way factories are in satis are much different than how they are in factorio

[oblique hollow]

not to mention factorio expects you to do the math for input numbers too.
Because it doesnt show items / min or items / sec. it just shows the time it takes to craft 1 item

[stone orbit]

especially because belts limit througput much more in this game

[wooden pond]

ones expand, be efficient, space limited, can't stop or else the factory will actually die, defend etc. the other is chill, build, in any direction, explore, discover, build amazing stuff

[stone orbit]

I mean I play factorio on peaceful most of the time

[oblique hollow]

Factorio has you build 0% of your factory by hand once you got enough drones.
in Satiis, you always build.

Also only one of the 2 games puts pressure on you

[wooden pond]

adding the word 3d as in It's factorio 3d is like saying cars is a type better horse

[stone orbit]

blueprinting is really needed in satis though

[wooden pond]

it's debatable

i think more how you build then blueprints

in FC you need them because you can't redo the same miner setup for the 200th time when your iron ran out

[stone orbit]

its not fun for me to build the same setup of belts and inputs for 20 different factories

I don't need drones, just like a copy paste function for small chunks

[wooden pond]

post it on the q and a site lol

[stone orbit]

it would really speed up having to make sure you place every spliter in the right place and get all the belts running

[fierce ruin]

we at least need some way to build several building at a time like in smart mod

[wooden pond]

Not like the smart mod imo

thats not SF imo

but anyway, early access, games not ready and update 5 is promising a different way of building

[stone orbit]

oh yea lol

[fierce ruin]

well, when you get to build factorise involving thousand of building, having to build everything one by on get a bit too tedious

[wooden pond]

thounds?

I think your over exaggerating

You don't casually build a new 10k machine factory

or else wheres the fun in it if it's all done for you?

[fierce ruin]

well, my last oil setup was more than more than 1000 building, so yes...

but i'm not asking for it to build itself, just have a way to build several at a time (and set them up together: don't have to choose every machine recipe, OC by hand).

and having some autosnap option for belts or thing like that too.

[stone orbit]

yea same

I'm not asking for like free factory setups

I wanna design it myself but making building it easier would be nice

[hollow fossil]

Maybe like a building scanner so it can make like a hologram blueprint factory so you can essentially just go on autopilot placing buildings down? It wouldn’t build it for you but it would make it way less stressful to get everything right

Like it would just create a layout of your setup you can place down then fill in

[stone orbit]

That doesn’t remove the tedium of placing every single building

[oblique hollow]

being able to place small groups with recipe already selected would help

even just 3 machines with belts and pipes and cables at once

removes a ton of work

[stone orbit]

yes

[thorn bane]

ok why does pure copper ingot use less copper than alloy copper but pure iron ingot uses MORE iron than alloy iron

[fierce ruin]

because copper is more valuable (more rare) than iron, so adding iron to copper is worth less than adding copper to iron

[bleak coral]

was looking at it wrong, nvm

but pure iron ingot is still better than alloy ingot, cause there's more iron than copper by a long shot

so the extra copper cost of alloy makes it worse

[thorn bane]

ye it feels like alot of people use pure iron but almost no one uses pure copper even though on paper pure copper is insanely resource efficent (just not space/power i guess)

[bleak coral]

anyone building big builds that need copper ends up doing pure copper

which I think is fine, I think alloy copper and pure copper both do interesting, different things for different people

alloy copper is "good enough" if you want to build less, and pure is most optimal

I feel iron alloy doesn't provide enough benefit compared to pure though, cause I've never wanted to spend copper to save iron and I can't see why you'd ever want to do that

[frosty owl]

Iron is much more efficient space wise though
It's 35>75 for a single refinery Vs the 15>37.5 of copper

[frosty owl]

The BlueBuild Gun
||Blueprint BuildGun||

[timber solstice]

https://charlie.tango.rocks/FAdO8/DALeSeHU68.png

Which of these is the most useful to take?

[upbeat tide]

All three are top tier alts

Just pick which is most useful now for you

[loud heron]

Id take the middle

[timber solstice]

That was my thought as well

[loud heron]

First one is really good too if youre lacking pipes

or whatever else needs em.
Caterium for wire is odd, but ive yet to exhaust copper to the point Id be desperate to trade cat for wire

[fringe pawn]

I'm using two pure nodes for caterium wire. One for supercomputers and batteries, and the other will be for hi speed wiring.

[fringe pawn]

Anyone doing max nuclear, have you formulated a plan to use all that power? The ways I've examined to hit that level of power consumption feel a little contrived. Sure, you can overclock particle accelerators, but that feels like an out of the way gameplay choice, whereas cutting your machine count on refineries feels a bit more purposeful.

I have this tiered power grid concept where geysers form their own independent grid to run 100~ turbofuel generators, which form another grid to power 600~ turbofuel generators, which then power max nuclear, for a total of 1.3TW. Thus giving you the full 1.19 TW of max nuclear power for planetary production. But how could you use all that power with the remaining planetary resources?

[thorn pollen]

how hard is it to feed back water into a line

[fierce ruin]

the problem is to not have backup on that water

McGalleon had made some tests on priority merging for water that tend to show that you should be able to do that without backup; but he is still working a bit on that.

without that, the easiest way is to keep feed back water in a separate line.

[thorn pollen]

the reason im asking is im using the instant scrap recipe but i dont know what to do with the extra water im getting

[fierce ruin]

an easy solution would be to send that to pure ingot/wet concrete that you can build around

[thorn pollen]

or could i use it for power

[fierce ruin]

yes, anything that use a steady flow of water

[thorn pollen]

im going to get about 600m3 water because im using about 12 blenders

[fierce ruin]

it's also possible to send water back to instant scrap on a separate line. For exemple if you have 6 instant scrap blenders: feed on with an extractor, and the 5 others with the water you have from all 6 blender.

[thorn pollen]

i need 1920 water which is about 16 water extractors

[upbeat tide]

I would recommend against instant scrap tho. The sulfur use is not friendly.

[fringe pawn]

The moment you want to do any overclocking everything may go out of whack, though. Wastewater going to diluted fuel, wet concrete, or other dedicated machines is best IMO.

[thorn pollen]

its only 2 sulfur nodes as im overclocking the miners

[fringe pawn]

Concrete in particular is good, because you can generally afford for it to be a little 'starved.'

Or parched in this case, I guess.

[upbeat tide]

Ah, not going max build. Should be ok then

[thorn pollen]

no im only going 450 sheets and 450 casings per minute

[thorn pollen]

but thanks for your advice

[fierce ruin]

For 12 blenders, use 1 extractor to feed 2 blander. And feed the 10 other with water produced for all 12 instant scrap (600 water to feed 10 blender). That takes some time to setup but that works (you can pump more external water first into all blender to make that working quickly)

[frosty owl]

I'm working on a max nuclear with minimum plutonium (about 650 GW iirc), which should be enough for the biggest possible factory plan I may tackle AND have leeway to overclock stuff

[upbeat tide]

This is mine for context. Residual water is used in the process

[thorn pollen]

oh ok i will think about it

[frosty owl]

I rely heavily on overclock both to reduce lag and to help with ratios (I like my power graph to be flat and belts balanced :P)

[thorn pollen]

are you using all the pure baxuite

@upbeat tide this what im trying to do

[upbeat tide]

I am using ALL the bauxite in the map . Pure, normal, and impure nodes

[thorn pollen]

im using just the pure

[upbeat tide]

Aah im not familiar with that calc

But this is a sample of my setup

Scaled based on node. Each node has its own “module” like this.

[thorn pollen]

https://u4.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=i7R4fhVhEo5mdK1dfSdg this is mine @upbeat tide

[upbeat tide]

Ooh a different view in greeny’s tool

I just use the logical planner mostly

@thorn pollen this is one of the slices. This produces 600 aluminum ingots form a normal node.

And it was just repeat, repeat, etc until all nodes used

[thorn pollen]

https://u4.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=RT1BjgKIkXO38b3TzD5J i could use the water from the instant scrap for this

because i need 120

[thorn pollen]

thats very clean

[upbeat tide]

I actually plan on a modification. The external water supply is from shared pipes and using valves to control flow. Not really working as well as I would like and ocassionally a system fails due to too much water. Soo, gonna break it down and have a dedicated external water pipe set to the needed flow per segment.

Means will be alot of spare water 🙂

Im piping in from seceral water wells, wanted to be different

[frosty owl]

Imagine making max allu using silica
I'm already in pain for finding out my factory plan encourages that

[fringe pawn]

Someone posted a max aluminum with default ingots build the other day. If you use default circuit board recipe and minimize oscillator use, I imagine it's doable even with very large builds. I'm also curious how that aluminum would end up being used. Maybe tons and tons of batteries for ludicrous amounts of drones? Though sulfur may become an issue.

[frosty owl]

In my plan, I place silica mostly in nuclear and HSC production, while the increase in allu allows for more TPRs and such

[fierce ruin]

i'm trying to do the math on that now. i will probably end up doing a mix of pure/normal alu ingot to spare some quartz, but i still need to know how much i want to keep

[upbeat tide]

7k+ quartz even when using cheap silica. Its just too much

Plus max alu using instant scrap uses over half the world’s sulfur node supply. Not alot of room left for other stuff after.

[fierce ruin]

So; i consider a setup where some quartz is used for nuclear (50,4 uranium rod + fuel plutonium recycling) and aluminum is fully produced with bauxite->sloppy->electrode scrap->normal ingot (so max without sulfur). After that, if i'm not mistaken the only important part where quartz is used is for RCU, in this setup you clearly don't want radio connection unit that cost too much quartz, so i got with normal recipe; i will have enough quartz to produce about 270/m of them, that could for exemple translate to 90/m thermal propulsion rocket (really close to the max possible). In addition to that you can look to produce some items that can use bauxite and no quartz (Assembly director system for exemple, to continue on high sink point items), and this solution with normal alu ingot seems to become the optimal one.

[frosty owl]

It ain't too bad, even maxing allu you still have a decent amount of silica left (I leave the baux/silica part of my plan for comparison)
Instant scraps though... no thanks

Thank you discord... Very clear screenshot -.-
How to make it readable?

[fierce ruin]

share link to the satisfactory tool page

https://u4.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=INljxDMWojsCK4xjc3OW

[frosty owl]

But I organized all the nodes for the screen ;-;

[fierce ruin]

if we right click->open link on the image it's readable

[frosty owl]

Oh, thanks! My bad, my browser was at less than 100% zoom and I thought it was at 100% already ahahah

[fierce ruin]

the main reason i have against putting all quartz into aluminum is that i guess we might get more uses for quartz in futures updates, and keeping some accessible without redoing some production chain might be worth it.

but as i tend to start a new save after each major udpate, i probably shouldn't worry too much about that 🙂

[frosty owl]

I'll probably not process all alu in one place anyway, so I'll have chances to go for pure along the way :P

[fringe pawn]

2 normal uranium nodes maxes out at 28.8 uranium rods and 12.8 plutonium rods, right?

[fierce ruin]

yes for uranium

i don't know for plutonium (i just recycle it without maxing)

[frosty owl]

Alright, here's the oil setup I'm settling for:
On the left, 4 HOR refineries feed Diluted Fuel blenders 1:1 (45 HOR/min -> 90 Fuel/min). In between every 2 HOR refinery there's just enough space to fit a rubber refinery using up all their resin tapping on the water for the fuel (thus why one refinery is turned the other way around)
Inputs: 135 oil/min (270/min if you double the setup :P), 405 water
Output: 22.25 rubber, 360 fuel
I made it so it couples up well with recycled setups

[upbeat tide]

Issue is, I have high volume silica plans for other pricesses, around 6k needed, so going full tilt in aluminum would not be doable.

Also, its nice to not have silica byproduct, etc

[frosty owl]

Why would you have silica byproduct?
I'm all down for sloppy

[upbeat tide]

Exactly

[frosty owl]

It's the most baux efficient anyway xD

[fringe pawn]

It appears that it's possible to do 30/30/120/120 final space elevator parts, max nuclear from 1200 uranium, and 1,000 extra batteries for absurd amounts of drones. Using the plutonium for power, you have enough headroom to overclock as much as you have the patience to farm shards. You could sink the rods if you added a little more uranium power.

[frosty owl]

These my numbers. And I'm using silica for allu
There's still some wiggle room for everything

[fringe pawn]

Multiple resources are at max, though, so you'd need to run it very tightly. https://u4.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=onmumiQWbHZP4dLAlON0

Omnomnom coupons

[frosty owl]

I don't think using the pressure conversion cubes for plutonium is worth it

[fringe pawn]

True. I instinctively maximized power generation

[frosty owl]

Unless you plan to go VERY HEAVY on OC, I doubt it's worth maxing out plutonium
For example, my plan (that cuts quite a lot on plutonium) still gives me ~150% the power needed to run it

And that's a plan that isn't too far off from total nodes depletion

[fringe pawn]

You wouldn't even be able to go that heavy on OC without doing an unrealistic amount of doggo farming. If you want to go minimal building count on iron wire, you'd need over 6,000 slugs. 😬

[frosty owl]

The recycled setup mentioned. Sets of 6 recycling refineries at 200% clock (so they split 60/min exactly from the feed belt) for every 4 fuel blenders. In sets of 12 the output is 720 every 6 so...
Just make one side for plastic, one for rubber, split the output in 2 and you can feed them while taking half the outptut away. There's space to place containers to start the loop

[frosty owl]

Spend enough hours in a save with 10+ doggos and that's not a dream anymore
...or build in creative... I do the latter 🙄

[fringe pawn]

Haven't tried creative yet

I've got 50 doggos on this vanilla save and I'm tired of checking them. My 60 HMF factory ate up like 500 at once.

[frosty owl]

It's all about where you place the pen 😉
Tip: If you need to work on a massive project, it's worth moving the pen close to that project ^^

Well, if you're in dire need of slugs, that is

[fringe pawn]

Yeah, that's exactly where I'm at. But the prospect of moving 50 doggos is a little daunting. I have moved 20~ at once before, though, they moved reliably.

I suppose I could always test if 50 will successfully follow at once and reload if they don't.

[slate mountain]

I need slugs bad, is there like a hotspot on the map where there are a ton of them?

[fringe pawn]

Bamboo forest in the mountains has many purple slugs. Dangerous monsters, though.

[slate mountain]

Can purple slugs be used for reactor rods?

Im running on greens rn

[fringe pawn]

Green slugs give one shard, yellow give 2, purple give 5.

[wind spade]

purple slugs just give more shards

and shards can be used anywhere

[frosty owl]

Afaik the "pillar maze" in the North-East desert has quite a lot of slugs. Never seen so many in one area myself
Though, doggos are the most reliable source of slugs in the long run

[oblique hollow]

all slugs give shards. some just give more

[fringe pawn]

Rocky desert oil fields? Yeah, tons there. I think it's 3 different group spawns. There's also a cave on the Gold Coast, near the pure caterium node. I found 7 in there.

[frosty owl]

I was referring to the area close to the shore, not any oil there, just a sulfur node

But I'm not big on slugs anyway, that's just the best spot I know 😅

[fringe pawn]

Ah. So there's even more that I haven't found. 😛

I'm up to 51 doggos and I haven't even really searched half the map.

[frosty owl]

Map is big

[glacial hemlock]

Big compared to walking distance.

[hasty minnow]

Worth Overclocking Fuel Gene with 3 shards?

[bleak coral]

overclocking just saves space, and makes the math weird
so if you want to save some space and don't mind doing the math, sure

read up on it here first: https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Clock_speed#Clock_speed_for_power_generators

[left jolt]

How do people perfectly balance fuel outlet / generators?

For Fuel Gens

I have 3x 40/m fuel

and 1 at 34% which does 13.6

and then 12 generators

We've done math that shows we'll use 11.13 fuel gens