#math-and-meta | Satisfactory | Page 478

sand garnet Oct 10, 2020, 9:43 PM

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each black part of the connector is 2m tall

oblique hollow Oct 10, 2020, 9:43 PM

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yea, around 14 m

sand garnet Oct 10, 2020, 9:44 PM

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yeah somewhere between 13-14

oblique hollow Oct 10, 2020, 9:44 PM

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width is a bit hard since no shot gave a clear view so i had to make a bigger estimate

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but for length there is one shot at the very beginning where you can see the entry pipe peeking through the leaves

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just 2 or so second before the frame shown in the screenshot above or so

sand garnet Oct 10, 2020, 9:46 PM

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problem is it's angled in that shot

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not entirely 90 degrees to the player

oblique hollow Oct 10, 2020, 9:47 PM

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under shallow angles there is not a lot of distance warping, i estimate it to be about 1 or 2 m off at max, just like with my estimates

sand garnet Oct 10, 2020, 9:47 PM

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valid point yea

scenic matrix Oct 10, 2020, 10:27 PM

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god I want miners with multiple outputs lol

sand garnet Oct 10, 2020, 10:32 PM

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why though?

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a regular splitter would have the same effect

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the only thing it would do now is bypass a max OC pure node in a mk3 miner

wise dawn Oct 10, 2020, 10:40 PM

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well, it would bypass max OC pure node in mk3 miners

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it would also let you get full throughput out of mk1 miners on pure nodes before hitting logistics 2 milestone

bleak coral Oct 10, 2020, 10:45 PM

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we'll get mk6 eventually, and belts being a bottleneck is by design

scenic matrix Oct 10, 2020, 10:46 PM

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not true, mk3 on pure 250 is too much for aluminum belts

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plus if you don't need all of the ore from a single node but could use it for multiple production lines it would mean you could get it directly

bleak coral Oct 10, 2020, 10:53 PM

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that's what splitters are for, that's literally their purpose, to split things

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and I said we'll get mk6 belts eventually, so we'll eventually will be able to use mk3 miners on pure nodes eventually

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cause the game isn't finished

cerulean loom Oct 10, 2020, 11:04 PM

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assuming that the protagonist is 1.8m tall, each block is about 2mx2mx2m

celest knot Oct 10, 2020, 11:08 PM

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still dont understand the point of the pac-it

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what was wrong w/ refineries

bleak coral Oct 10, 2020, 11:09 PM

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big and energy hungry

celest knot Oct 10, 2020, 11:09 PM

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so easy to use though

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the ratios are just $

bleak coral Oct 10, 2020, 11:13 PM

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why would the ratios be worse on the pac-it?

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*why would you think

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we don't know anything about that yet

oblique hollow Oct 10, 2020, 11:16 PM

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The point is refinery is already overused for everything, why should we waste power and space on something as trivials as packaging?
Besides, they arent even good at it, you need like 10 refineries for any decent output

scenic matrix Oct 10, 2020, 11:16 PM

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I'd still like to have at least 2 outputs for a miner tho, just makes it easier imo

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not a huge deal, just qol

celest knot Oct 10, 2020, 11:17 PM

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i'd just be happy if they put in the 1200 belts

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and made it so that my computer doesn't heat my home when i run a lot of machines

scenic matrix Oct 10, 2020, 11:18 PM

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I wish that powered walls would be earlier and replace mk2/3 poles/outlets

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by the time you get to t8 it's kinda useless cuz most of your major production will already be built

bleak coral Oct 10, 2020, 11:22 PM

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you mean the wall outlets you get from the awesome shop? cause if not powered walls aren't a vanilla thing

scenic matrix Oct 10, 2020, 11:24 PM

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powered walls aren't released yet

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it's currently slated for t9, but by then it's kinda pointless

rustic briar Oct 10, 2020, 11:59 PM

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I'd like to have powered foundations

glacial hemlock Oct 11, 2020, 2:08 AM

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I guess it is because of unlock tier. Refineries at tier 5, packager maybe at tier 3 or 4, then water bottling may be a tier 3 or 4 milestone

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 9:20 AM

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@scenic matrix friendly reminder that anything about future content on the wiki cant be talked about here :)

keen patio Oct 11, 2020, 9:30 AM

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@sand garnet Just curious.. The 'spoilers' on the wiki... where does that information come from if it hasn't been released yet, AND Devs won't/Don't give any details on upcoming patches?

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 9:31 AM

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very old datamining

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versions before public early access

naive ingot Oct 11, 2020, 12:54 PM

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So in all likelihood, it's not going to be accurate.

stark bronze Oct 11, 2020, 12:58 PM

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One of the machines is shown in the E3 trailer
Wonder if talking about that is illegal

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 12:59 PM

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im not sure which one you're referring to

glacial hemlock Oct 11, 2020, 1:01 PM

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there are many things shown in E3 but are unconfirmed or unreleased. For example, nuclear power plant with robot arm.

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 1:05 PM

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doesnt the current model of the nuclear plant also have an arm

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its visible in the transparant part

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actually has an animation too

stark bronze Oct 11, 2020, 1:09 PM

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Not the dropping one

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 1:20 PM

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i need the assistance of some people who are good at math

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At the top are 3 mk1 miners mining normal iron. The middle row of constructors create iron rods. The bottom row creates screws, and there are some overflow smart splitters so extra rods create more screws. Does anyone have any slight idea how many assemblers i need to get most efficiency (creating rotors)?

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does anyone have any idea

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my math says at least 5 but i suck at math

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 1:33 PM

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Looks like 2.4 to me.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 1:34 PM

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according to my math 6 is the most i can use based on my iron rod production but then any extra goes towards screws so i need the screws to keep up so i was thinking either 4 or 5

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 1:34 PM

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The bottom 6 constructors make screws? That's only 6X40=240 screws per minute and the assemblers use 100 if I'm reading the Wiki correctly.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 1:34 PM

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ye 100 screws a minute

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but the iron rods are meant to help make more screws

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maybe i need to import some extra screws

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 1:38 PM

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maybe i need to import some extra screws
@heady zealot Or move these elsewhere, since 240 is just below a mk3 belt.
But moving screws are usually not a good idea. Move ingots or rods and make the screws where they are used.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 1:39 PM

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wait u say just below mk3 belt

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does that mean that my 2 mk2 conveyer belts are not sufficient

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wait no they are wait my math sucks

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nevermind

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im confusing myself so much

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 1:40 PM

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does that mean that my 2 mk2 conveyer belts are not sufficient
@heady zealot they are exactly sufficient

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 1:40 PM

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yeah but not overly sufficient

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MUST ACQUIRE NEW LOGISTICS

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meaning i really need to stop delaying steel production

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wait no the conveyer sufficiency aint a problem

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since the screws are produced and are moved by 3 conveyers

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not 2, the 2 conveyers are just for rods*

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wait a minute

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yup im stupid

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i never even crafted the outputs of the screw miner into rods

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meaning i would just be putting iron bars into the screw crafters

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and i dont yet got any casted screws unfortunately

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Starting with the ore output I get 4 assembers, but I think that would take 10 constructors making screws.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 1:46 PM

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meaning i need to expand my 2nd floor

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or make a 3rd

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10 constructors is a lot

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 1:49 PM

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And 12 making rods.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 1:49 PM

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oh god

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ok so i have no idea what i am doing

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ok so can someone just tell me what is the best way to get the most efficient rotor crafter out of only 3 mk1 miners mining normal iron deposits with no mk2 stuff except for conveyer belts

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Basically what you've got except the left 2 smelters feed 4 constructers making rotors and you need 4 more more screw makers and then feed the screws and the rods from the extra 4 constructors into the assemblers.

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Though if you plan on redoing it I'd leave room to double the production when you get mk2 miners or overclocking.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:00 PM

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well i have overclocking unlocked

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and a few yellow power slugs

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in the form of power shards

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wait where did my yellow ones go

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:03 PM

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If you don't want the shards somewhere else you might as well use them on these miners. You can always remove the shards and use them somewhere else later.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:03 PM

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wait no i have 7 of them they just dont say "yellow"

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wait no all the power shards are the same

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:03 PM

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No, there's no difference except how many you get per slug.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:04 PM

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as always, i have no idea what im doing

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got 13 shards

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you know what

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since i have no space for the 69 or so constructors you say i need lets just overclock the screw production

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Same thing with biofuel and alt recipes for producing things, you need to chose the right recipe but as soon as they're produced ther're no different from the normal ones.

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69? I said 22! Didn't I? Plus 4 assemblers.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:06 PM

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same thing

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:06 PM

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LoL

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:07 PM

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both of those numbers do not fit in my foundation size without 420 floors

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anyways i need to go eat some breakfast before i lose any more braincells

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breakfast has been eated

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time to lose 69 more braincells

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i dont know what to do

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:23 PM

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Or 22, same thing wasn't it?

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:24 PM

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i still dont know what to do

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Explore or build something else while you think it over?

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:29 PM

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no i gotta figure this out

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so that i can get enough rotors for completing expensive objectives

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such as steel, which i have been putting off for too long

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 2:32 PM

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@heady zealot Don't overthink it. They will all fill up and stop producing eventually

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:32 PM

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must. get. rotor.

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and if it fills up i just use the overflow for some AWESOME stuff

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 2:33 PM

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I'm at tier 6 now, my rotor production is still 8/min and I don't miss more than that

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and if it fills up i just use the overflow for some AWESOME stuff
@heady zealot And then get to upgrade power generation. Some things are not worth sinking

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:34 PM

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need

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rotor

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also im currently sinking a lot of my reinforced iron plates into the sink

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an entire container's worth, which is the size of my storage

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i just really need the awesome

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im getting 15,240 points a minute

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but now my storage is empty, meaning i have extremely low amounts of points/minute now

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anyways what to purchase...

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im thinking wall power outlets mk2 and corner foundations

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but im not sure

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:38 PM

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What do you have so far?

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The double ramps are really useful.

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Walls are nice, and let you easilly build forts to take potshots at alpha spitters from.

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Walkways are useful as well.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:40 PM

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Walls: nothing unlocked
Attachments: conveyor wall mount, wall power outlets mk1
Foundations: double ramp pack
Vehicles: the amazing factory cart
Organization: everything

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:40 PM

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The corner ramps and windowed walls are nice looking.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:42 PM

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corner ramp and metal door walls

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tho im not sure about doors

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Yeah, I wish we had doors!

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Particularly on the loo!

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:44 PM

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how about corner ramps and wall power outlets mk2

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Corner ramps are nice!

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:44 PM

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what about wall power outlets mk2

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ima get them

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got it

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Probably useful, I should really get into using walls more.

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I've reached the stage when I'm begining to get laggy.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:47 PM

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i need to figure out this factory

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so i have the output of one of the miners going into 2 smelters, but forgot to add constructors to turn the iron into iron bars

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:47 PM

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And the wall sockets should be less in the way than posts.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:48 PM

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and the overflow of the iron rod production of the other two miners goes to the 3rd thing

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and idk what to do because i dont have space and im just confusing myself

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except i do have space because as usual im being stupid

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:49 PM

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It's only 4 more constructors in each row if I remember correctly.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 2:58 PM

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conveyor wall mount has come in handy

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 2:59 PM

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Great!

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:01 PM

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unfortuanately there are no other easy solutions

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sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 3:01 PM

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connveyorpoles

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:01 PM

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no

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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At least it's neat!

celest knot Oct 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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could choose not to build so tightly

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space isn't limited

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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boi i gave myself a ton of space

celest knot Oct 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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clearly not

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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conveyorlifts 😄

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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no tom

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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they look fany in my factory to bridge over other conveyors

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:02 PM

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those conveyors are what connect to conveyor lifts

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 3:03 PM

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we've updated the dictionary:

'a ton' is now equal to '2 square meters'

wanton axle Oct 11, 2020, 3:03 PM

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lol

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:04 PM

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ok to me this is a ton

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this is the biggest factory ive ever built

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 3:05 PM

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then why are you building so compact at the very end?

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:05 PM

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because i didnt realize that factories are so complicated and big

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 3:05 PM

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why's there a gap in your walkways btw? is the conveyor going through it?

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:05 PM

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yes

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i can jump that gap

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bladerunners are good

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 3:06 PM

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why not just route the conveyor along the ground and then use a conveyorlift to lift it up past the walkways

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so you dont have to have a gap

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:06 PM

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why not just death

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 3:07 PM

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mostly because doggos dont love you anymore after respawning

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:07 PM

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well there are no doggos who love me currently

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no idea how to even tame them

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plus i am the exact opposite of a pet person

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 3:08 PM

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do you want to learn how to tame them?

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:08 PM

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pets are a distraction

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anyways i have no idea how many constructors i need

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probably 420 constructors

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 3:10 PM

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My doggo gave me nuclear waste the first day.
Then it disappeared.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:10 PM

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sounds like a normal doggo

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totally normal

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i still dont know how many constructors i need

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Guy, it's simple math. Just match each layer's input with the previous one's output

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:15 PM

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yeah but my system is a bit more complicated

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 3:15 PM

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And forget the retrofeed overflow, not worth the trouble

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:16 PM

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i already have overflow built must use it

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ill build 6 constructors but leave extra space for more

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 3:17 PM

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i already have overflow built must use it
@heady zealot Either have the cake or eat it. Either keep things simple or stop complaining they are hard because you choose to overcomplicate them.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:18 PM

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im trying to use my iron deposits wisely

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 3:18 PM

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Seriously, making rotors is not rocket science. It's 3rd grade math, just multiply and divide

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Also, have a look at #welcome. There are half a dozen different calculation tools there.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:19 PM

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making factories and figuring out all the production speeds is a bit more than just 3rd grade math

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it does use 3rd grade math as the basics, but 3rd grade doesnt teach you about building a factory

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Really not, bu it tells you how to add, multiply and divide, which is all the math you need to build that factory.

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You'll need a bit more when you get to fluids, but no a lot more, neither.

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:24 PM

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what do i put in as the number of iron or whatever in the satisfactory tools calculator

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if i have 3 normal iron deposits

glacial hemlock Oct 11, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Wiki rotor if you want a prebuilt layout

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 3:25 PM

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if i have 3 normal iron deposits
@heady zealot then you multiply 3 by the output of the miners tier you are using

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You can get the output number either by hitting E on them or by looking at the wiki

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:27 PM

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so do i just put 180

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or something

rustic briar Oct 11, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Whatever rings your bell. Just place 22,or 79... They are all the same, anyways... Lol

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 3:31 PM

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i have 180 production

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tho i could overclock

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i think i gotta use overflow stuff

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calculator wants me to split stuff into 100/m and 80/m, which i cant do easily

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must have overflow to get that to split right

frank epoch Oct 11, 2020, 3:51 PM

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sf_post_nobelisk

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 4:59 PM

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IT HAS BEEN COMPLETED

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i hope, i havent connected any electricity

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Good luck!

heady zealot Oct 11, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Its connected!

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Rotors are being produced!!!!

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:D

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imma intentionally get the whole system backed up so that the internal overflow system starts working and more screws get produced

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at peaks this is using just under 400MW of electricity

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with lots of fluctuations

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as low as 260MW, as high as 400MW. tho this isnt the only thing on the power grid, so that does not actually properly show how much electricity this uses

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internal overflow has begun

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Success! :D

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im testing how overclocking the assemblers works

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nope cant get screws fast enough to keep up with it

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 5:32 PM

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That's to be expected.

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Better to overclock the miners and increase the numbers of everything.

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 5:43 PM

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go big or go home lol

exotic isle Oct 11, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Alternate recipes will help.

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 5:53 PM

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@heady zealot But it couldn't hurt to take a look in ten minutes or so and see if any of the machines are backed up or have to wait for materials.

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 9:23 PM

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how can you find alternate rotor recipe guys

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does it worth doing it

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 9:25 PM

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it's worth it, and it's just praying to RNGsus for the right recipe

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 9:25 PM

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RNGsus ?

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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yeah, RNG jesus

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RNGsus lol

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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lol

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what does that mean

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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RNG = Random Number Generator

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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oh

sand garnet Oct 11, 2020, 9:26 PM

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it's randomly selected which recipes are shown in the MAM

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based on what you could get of course

fierce ruin Oct 11, 2020, 9:27 PM

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alright m8

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thank you

hallow girder Oct 11, 2020, 11:31 PM

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You could technically "reroll" if you're okay with rolling back about 10 minutes of gameplay

glacial hemlock Oct 12, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Or just get them all, since there are extra hard drives

cedar mica Oct 12, 2020, 11:43 AM

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10 min to reroll or 10 min to find a new hard drive 😛

glacial hemlock Oct 12, 2020, 11:51 AM

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It takes only 4mins to find a hard drive

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 12:20 PM

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Is it worth it to just pickup a bounch of stuff, and go out and find all the hard drives?

sturdy stump Oct 12, 2020, 12:21 PM

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I recommend getting the exosuit mod for finding hard drives

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100 computers total

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And the fuel for it

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Get at least oil going and the. Go out and find some hard drives

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 12:23 PM

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well, im almost about to have nuclear going sooo :p

sturdy stump Oct 12, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Do you have any mods?

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Not at the moment

sturdy stump Oct 12, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Ok

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Use a truck with all the stuff you need, get a jet pack and gas mask, plan your route with the satisfactory calculator’s interactive map

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 12:24 PM

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Alrighty, so it is worth it spending time gathering them all? And thanks for the tip

sturdy stump Oct 12, 2020, 12:24 PM

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Np man

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I spent 6-7 hours total running around with the exosuit getting hard drives for imkibitz 16,700MW power Setup

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 12:26 PM

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o.0 thats a lot of power

sturdy stump Oct 12, 2020, 12:26 PM

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And you can make about 22,000 MW

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300 crude oil and 600 water gives you the 16,700 MW

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If you get more water, you can get the 22k MW

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 12:27 PM

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Thats actually insane

sturdy stump Oct 12, 2020, 12:27 PM

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Yep

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 12:27 PM

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imma look into that

sturdy stump Oct 12, 2020, 12:28 PM

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Watch imkibitz

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 12:28 PM

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will do

hot ginkgo Oct 12, 2020, 12:28 PM

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The Wiki has has it all spelled out.

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The full 22GW set up.

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 12:28 PM

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Link?

hot ginkgo Oct 12, 2020, 12:29 PM

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https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Fuel_Generator#Stage_5

Satisfactory Wiki

Fuel Generator

The Fuel Generator is a Building which generates 150 MW of Power using Fuel, Turbofuel or Liquid Biofuel.

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 12:29 PM

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ty

sturdy stump Oct 12, 2020, 12:29 PM

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Thanks, I will upgrade my power now

frosty sail Oct 12, 2020, 12:30 PM

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I need to upgrade mine aswell lol

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I think I have about 60GW limit but my power keeps rising to about 55 and I’m scared lol

sand garnet Oct 12, 2020, 2:13 PM

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@hot ginkgo might want to preface it with 'this setup will require rebuilding large parts in a few weeks lmao'

hot ginkgo Oct 12, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I'm really hoping my packaging mods still work at that point. Otherwise its going to be a mad rush.

wanton axle Oct 12, 2020, 2:14 PM

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lol

sand garnet Oct 12, 2020, 2:14 PM

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i dont see why modded stuff would break

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i assume the packaging mod just negates the purpose of using refineries for packaging

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which this machine does too

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so switching from modded packaging to vanilla packaging probably™️ doesn't impact the setup

glass nebula Oct 12, 2020, 2:31 PM

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TIL: "probably" has been trademarked

wind spade Oct 12, 2020, 2:33 PM

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I don't think the update will break your saves tho

hot ginkgo Oct 12, 2020, 2:34 PM

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I just assume updates will break mods and leave my world a hot mess of missing buildings and no power.

wind spade Oct 12, 2020, 2:35 PM

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they said they wanted to do all the "breaking of saves" in one update (U3) and they want the next updates to be non-breaking

frosty sail Oct 12, 2020, 2:42 PM

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Oh no

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I’ve done a bad

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I used the modded daisy chain machines and if the update brakes literally 300 hours go bye bye

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I actually want to die

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pulls gun out of pocket

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@hot ginkgo how do we fix such a problem lol

hot ginkgo Oct 12, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Thats my concern. My entire aluminum set up is using the mk++ mod.

I use wireless power in some areas also.

frosty sail Oct 12, 2020, 2:44 PM

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I use everything on the modded machines tho lol

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I’m so dead

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Imma have to spend the rest of this afternoon switching them all to default ones and adding 100’s of power poles lol

hot ginkgo Oct 12, 2020, 2:47 PM

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@frosty sail are you joined in the modding server?

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Either way, join it/go look in there main channel. One kf the refined power devs answered the question.

TL;DR: we're fucked.@frosty sail

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 2:52 PM

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or just drag along some power from the base xD

rustic briar Oct 12, 2020, 2:52 PM

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Use a truck with all the stuff you need, get a jet pack and gas mask, plan your route with the satisfactory calculator’s interactive map
@sturdy stump @zenith heron Don't forget to pack materials for a biomass burner, as some pods require power to be opened

fierce ruin Oct 12, 2020, 3:07 PM

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Some pods require at least 2 biomass generators.
50 MW I think it was.

sand garnet Oct 12, 2020, 3:07 PM

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theres 1 pod that needs something like 420MW lol

fierce ruin Oct 12, 2020, 3:08 PM

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That's not too bad, just half a Watt! 😉

sand garnet Oct 12, 2020, 3:08 PM

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fixed lol

zenith heron Oct 12, 2020, 3:09 PM

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I dragged power from my base out to that :p

fierce ruin Oct 12, 2020, 3:09 PM

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Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine.

sand garnet Oct 12, 2020, 3:09 PM

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im indifferent 😛

rustic briar Oct 12, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Sorry, it's a pet peeve of mine.
@fierce ruin mine is no map at start, and useless map when unlocked

fierce ruin Oct 12, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Yeah, it doesn't show anything useful (except water) and it's almost impossible to plan a route since you can't see where you can easily get through or over mountains.

rustic briar Oct 12, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Mínimap mod also doesn't help

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I'd have left the game already, if not for the external interactive map app

glacial hemlock Oct 12, 2020, 4:08 PM

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rip to many of the fuel or turbo fuel setup on 27th October.

hot ginkgo Oct 12, 2020, 4:09 PM

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🙋‍♂️

glacial hemlock Oct 12, 2020, 4:10 PM

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you know, instead of the standard 3 rows of refinery loop, I will rather build 2 pac-it below a refinery, in reversed direction, to form a vertical loop.

scenic matrix Oct 12, 2020, 6:25 PM

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ya'll are so lazy, just do some big exploration expeditions to find the way to route stuff, doesn't really take that long

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especially if you prepare by bringing a good amount of concrete to get around obstacles you cant drive up/over/around

cerulean loom Oct 12, 2020, 6:30 PM

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any expedition should leave with 1k+ concrete; more after you find the obstacle.

fierce ruin Oct 12, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Is there any lists or anything of what some good outputs for every material for each tier?

bleak coral Oct 12, 2020, 7:23 PM

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like the amount of parts per minute for each item?

fierce ruin Oct 12, 2020, 7:23 PM

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Ye

bleak coral Oct 12, 2020, 7:24 PM

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not that I know of, most people make more than they can use for building just from personal goals

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but off the top of my head, 10 - 20ppm for commonly used items, 5 - 10ppm for less used items, and 20 - 30ppm for concrete (or more scaling up with how big of buildings/bases you're making)

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from my experience concrete is the easiest one to run low on

fierce ruin Oct 12, 2020, 7:26 PM

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Alrighty

bleak coral Oct 12, 2020, 7:28 PM

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just keep 1 or 2 industrial storage containers of stuff, and if you find yourself running low/out of stuff as you're building start making more of it

fierce ruin Oct 12, 2020, 7:28 PM

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Aight

cedar mica Oct 12, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Unless its Concrete or belt materials, you dont need more then the small bin of it. Even that is overkill in some cases

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Also, in most cases so is 1-2 machines making the stuff, more then enough

bleak coral Oct 12, 2020, 8:30 PM

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iron plates definitely need more than a small container if you build any walls, maybe iron rods too

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and wire as well

cedar mica Oct 12, 2020, 8:31 PM

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1 small container is enough storage, as you dont grab a full inventory of Iron plates, rods or cable/wire

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Unlike concrete

muted crypt Oct 12, 2020, 8:32 PM

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I seem to do one ISC for everything, and like four ISCs for concrete

long tangle Oct 12, 2020, 9:23 PM

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i finally found a use for a 270 belt, nice (120+120+60)*2,5-480=270

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(2 normal, 1 impure sulfur node)

cedar mica Oct 12, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Find a few shards and you have 300+300+150...

fierce ruin Oct 12, 2020, 9:45 PM

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does anyone have any good mapings of factory builds? i just finished T5 and mine isnt as effecient as i want it to be but it would be easier to rebuild then fix everything

tame wyvern Oct 12, 2020, 10:01 PM

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it usually is, oh I love the mass delete button. I'm at the part where new tech needs to fit on my cliff base and it's becoming conveyor spaghetti-o

fierce ruin Oct 12, 2020, 10:01 PM

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yup me too

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about to make a giant floating foundation island

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i have 3 40 slot concrete boxes full lol

long tangle Oct 12, 2020, 10:02 PM

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@cedar mica (120+120+60)*2,5 = 300+300+150

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so that's one full Mk4 to one production site, and a full Mk3 to another

fierce ruin Oct 13, 2020, 12:34 AM

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How do pasting in blueprints work?

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 1:50 AM

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there are no blueprints @fierce ruin

obsidian sluice Oct 13, 2020, 12:12 PM

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might have to replace 72 refineries with packers in 2 weeks 🙃

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oblique hollow Oct 13, 2020, 12:13 PM

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Good, refineries are overrated

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Or more accurately: overused

obsidian sluice Oct 13, 2020, 12:14 PM

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yeah for a while I was playing satisrefinery

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 12:14 PM

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Satisfinery.

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Flowing fields of refineries. Walls upon walls of thick black smoke. That is our future.

oblique hollow Oct 13, 2020, 12:15 PM

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Cant wait for Satispacktory

sand garnet Oct 13, 2020, 12:24 PM

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new teaser on thursday 😄

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 12:57 PM

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And its already Tuesday! Hype!

frosty sail Oct 13, 2020, 1:04 PM

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They’re adding another machine maybe????

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Idk what it would be tho

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The better pipes?

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Maybe a gas

signal sky Oct 13, 2020, 1:26 PM

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I stopped working on my diluted fuel to turbofuel set up to wait until the packers come out
~~Also addicted to genshin impact~~

stark bronze Oct 13, 2020, 1:38 PM

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Mk2 pipes with windows or bust

frosty sail Oct 13, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Idk if they add gas in 3.5

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Seems like more of a 4 thing

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Farts.

frosty sail Oct 13, 2020, 1:40 PM

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And there already technically is gas in the game so it’s a high possibility

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As the geothermal uses the gas ground things

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Not attempting to spell it cause I will get bullied lol

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 1:41 PM

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@sand garnet came with a new name for a gas related power shard.

The Powershart.

frosty sail Oct 13, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Lol

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It do be like that tho

sand garnet Oct 13, 2020, 1:45 PM

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lol

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 1:49 PM

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Also, ||there's a blueprint mod now||

stark bronze Oct 13, 2020, 1:50 PM

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FICSIT is disappointed in their laziness

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 1:50 PM

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That's perfect. I'm used to disappointing my overlords.

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 1:56 PM

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I don't think we need mk2 pipes

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also it doesn't make much sense for mk2 pipes, how would that work?

neat light Oct 13, 2020, 1:59 PM

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600m/s hopefully

sand garnet Oct 13, 2020, 1:59 PM

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just more capacity and flowrate max

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 1:59 PM

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pipe throughput is determined by it's diameter, not by material

sand garnet Oct 13, 2020, 1:59 PM

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IRL yea

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 2:00 PM

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so mk2 pipes make no sense unless they are bigger

sand garnet Oct 13, 2020, 2:00 PM

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but this is a game, they can do whatever they want with it

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 2:00 PM

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I mean the realism is pretty strong in this one

neat light Oct 13, 2020, 2:00 PM

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The mk1 pipes have a 2inch wall thickness. By using stronger materials to make the mk2 the wall thickness is thinner, allowing more internal diameter. There u go

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 2:01 PM

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but not double snuttstach_think

sand garnet Oct 13, 2020, 2:01 PM

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looks at floating factories, pocket dimensions, firespitting mobs, glass foundations made of concrete yeah... definitely strong realism 😛

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I think some creative liberties can definitely be taken with the realism if it adds to the fun of the game

frosty sail Oct 13, 2020, 2:04 PM

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Very realistic

neat light Oct 13, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Yeah I think realism is kinda out the window. It's something nice to consider but this is a fantasy simulator, not a real life simulator. Should we not have a space elevator since no known material can support that type of structure?

obsidian sluice Oct 13, 2020, 2:08 PM

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when I build stuff, materials literally fly out of my ass, a hyperspace portal into a pocket dimension

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I love it

neat matrix Oct 13, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Realistic in game? We get gravity? BlameSimon

glacial hemlock Oct 13, 2020, 4:00 PM

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@wind spade no, its internal lining, or smoothness can affect the flow rate to pressure function by some degree.

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 4:00 PM

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yeah, but not double the flow rate

glacial hemlock Oct 13, 2020, 4:00 PM

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yeah, not double. What we need is 600 (mainly oil)

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 4:02 PM

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doubt we need it

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we can already do way more than most of the PCs can handle

neat light Oct 13, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Wouldn't mk2 pipes assist with fps cap? Less pipes for the pc to process the fluids of, less pipes to render etc?

frosty owl Oct 13, 2020, 4:12 PM

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we can already do way more than most of the PCs can handle
@wind spade Even if we have to battle against the lag, we will have our megafactories!

Wouldn't mk2 pipes assist with fps cap? Less pipes for the pc to process the fluids of, less pipes to render etc?
@neat light I wish... I certanly wouldnt' mind conveyors mk.6 too 👀

deft lichen Oct 13, 2020, 5:40 PM

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@summer field in the pinned message, the pythonanywhere tool no longer exists and satisfactorymap.com is still on update 2

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also, Daniel's calculator might be worthy of inclusion https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator

signal sky Oct 13, 2020, 5:53 PM

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"most of the PCs can handle"
Current PCs can handle. Gotta think of when 1.0 actually comes out, we'll have 32 core/64 thread Ryzen 12600 for $250 with 128GB of ram and a GTX 13090

cedar mica Oct 13, 2020, 5:56 PM

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No matter how strong PC you have, a building game will sooner or later, bring it to its knees. Unless the game crashes first, of course

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 6:13 PM

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From what I've seen so far. The game buckled before the computer did.

But then the game was brought back to life for more torture.

signal sky Oct 13, 2020, 6:15 PM

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Just gotta wait for 128 bit computing and 128 bit Unreal engine support so we can finally use more than 16 EB of ram

dull bolt Oct 13, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Ofcourse

bleak coral Oct 13, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Gotta also have some genius come along and figure out how to parallize SF for 32 cores

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I'm sure CSS has a once-in-a-lifetime programming prodigy on staff :P

summer field Oct 13, 2020, 6:50 PM

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@deft lichen No longer a moderator (The salary was so good that I could retire and I'm currently living off the interest) so you'll have to ask a current mod to update and replace it, they're slowly been taking over my pinned messages when they need updating.

deft lichen Oct 13, 2020, 7:10 PM

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I thought that you can edit it as you sent the message but sure

muted crypt Oct 13, 2020, 7:11 PM

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(( they can ))

deft lichen Oct 13, 2020, 7:11 PM

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@weary ravine I pinge'th you, the tools in the pinned message need updating, as mentioned a few messages above

weary ravine Oct 13, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Mmkay

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Ugh, just add Daniels calc or something else you want?

deft lichen Oct 13, 2020, 7:12 PM

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That, and remove two outdated tools

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 7:12 PM

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remove satisfactorymap, the author is no longer active and the project is abandoned

weary ravine Oct 13, 2020, 7:12 PM

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K, rarely use any tools so I am not up to date 😄

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 7:13 PM

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kirk's calc is out of date as well iirc

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not sure tho

deft lichen Oct 13, 2020, 7:13 PM

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The "pythonanywhere" tool no longer exists

weary ravine Oct 13, 2020, 7:13 PM

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The one by cornik and s4xxx?

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 7:13 PM

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yeah

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s4xxx left a long time ago and cornik stopped working on it somewhere around U2

weary ravine Oct 13, 2020, 7:13 PM

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K, anything else? Does Daniel have Discord so I can tag him in the message?

deft lichen Oct 13, 2020, 7:14 PM

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He only linked his reddit on the site

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 7:14 PM

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also just checked kirk's, it's indeed not updated

weary ravine Oct 13, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Satisfactory Production Chain Calculators:
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/ (Made by @wind spade )
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ (Made by @pulsar stratus )

Satisfactory Interactive Maps:
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

Guides and other useful information:
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/obqjrd/ficsit_pipeline_plumbing_manual_first_edition/ Guide and infos for pipes (made by @oblique hollow )

Satisfactory Tools

A collection of powerful tools for planning and building the perfect base. Calculate your production or consumption, browse items, buildings, and schematics and share your builds with others!

[SCIM] Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs. | Gaming Tool/Wiki/Database to empower the players.

[SCIM] Satisfactory - Calculator

Satisfactory helper to calculate your production needs. | Gaming Tool/Wiki/Database to empower the players.

r/SatisfactoryGame - FICSIT Pipeline Plumbing Manual - First Edition

109 votes and 27 comments so far on Reddit

weary ravine Oct 13, 2020, 7:15 PM

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weary ravine Satisfactory Production Chain Calculators: https://www.satisfactorytools.com/ (M...

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There ya go

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Gonna poke Snutt to update the other places this is mentioned

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 7:15 PM

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nice

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also can you put www. before satisfactorytools please? saves pple one redirect

muted crypt Oct 13, 2020, 7:17 PM

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isn't the direct link to the calculator also /production at the end

wind spade Oct 13, 2020, 7:17 PM

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well the tools are all usefull

muted crypt Oct 13, 2020, 7:17 PM

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fair

pulsar stratus Oct 13, 2020, 7:17 PM

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@weary ravine Gentle summon :p

weary ravine Oct 13, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Sorry, you gotta endure being given credit 😛

pulsar stratus Oct 13, 2020, 7:17 PM

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😄

weary ravine Oct 13, 2020, 7:18 PM

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Well now I can update without any more pings anyway if you want me to add/change something 🙂

fierce ruin Oct 13, 2020, 7:59 PM

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what’s the updated calculator ?

sand garnet Oct 13, 2020, 8:04 PM

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satisfactorytools.com and satisfactory-calculator.com are both updated

fierce ruin Oct 13, 2020, 9:14 PM

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okay, is there any other sites i should use if i plan remaking my whole base

sand garnet Oct 13, 2020, 9:15 PM

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checkpins

fierce ruin Oct 13, 2020, 9:15 PM

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yeah people were saying a lot of them were outdated lol

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 9:16 PM

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That got updated very soon after that. They are all updated now.

fierce ruin Oct 13, 2020, 9:19 PM

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welp time to die inside

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is there a specific order on stuff i should calculate or does anyone have a layout picture?

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 9:38 PM

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Just start planning for whatever you need at the moment. No real order necessarily. Just when you unlock stuff.

fierce ruin Oct 13, 2020, 9:45 PM

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yeah IG i just need to make it as best as possible

celest knot Oct 13, 2020, 9:46 PM

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are most train routes over 4min?

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just going from NW desert and running track through the canyon to the north ocean area, it's nearly a 6min train trip

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guess i'm asking whether you all find yourself using more than 2 freight cars per line of ore you have coming into the train

hot ginkgo Oct 13, 2020, 9:55 PM

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It really depends on what I'm doing and how far its going. The longer the ride thr more cars you need.

glacial hemlock Oct 14, 2020, 12:21 AM

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@celest knot yeah, it is quite difficult to maintain 4min6s for longer distances. Use 2 cars per belt, sometimes 3

bleak coral Oct 14, 2020, 12:32 AM

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I wonder if a mk6 belt going 1200ppm would require making the trains faster

celest knot Oct 14, 2020, 12:33 AM

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it'd almost have to wouldn't it

bleak coral Oct 14, 2020, 12:33 AM

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cause it's pretty hard to justify using a train and keep the round trip time short enough to go 1200ppm now

celest knot Oct 14, 2020, 12:34 AM

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32 x 100 / (1200/60) = 160 seconds = 2min40 sec

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trains just dont seem as useful as i hoped. i mean, using them to avoid having to belt, but given the sheer scale and number of them that you need, AND you still have to belt to the train station...just not as great as i hoped

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feel like if they doubled the storage capacity of the freight, they'd be more practical, and it'd double the time you currently need

fierce ruin Oct 14, 2020, 12:45 AM

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if we keep increasing belt speed, we probably also would need mk2 trains with better capacity. As it is right now, i still find an utility for trains, but conveyor only are often easier and as effective, or even better.

bleak coral Oct 14, 2020, 12:47 AM

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it's a function of distance and ease of expansion/setup

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for a long enough distance running 1 track and setting up a bunch of stations is easier than running belts

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but given few enough belts and a short enough distance, belts are easier

fierce ruin Oct 14, 2020, 12:51 AM

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over belts on foundations?

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they snap and there's only three spaces; it's a cinch

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also, not being a dick

bleak coral Oct 14, 2020, 12:52 AM

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?????

fierce ruin Oct 14, 2020, 12:52 AM

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I just find trains cumbersome to be honesyt

bleak coral Oct 14, 2020, 12:52 AM

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also, not being a dick
@fierce ruin this: ???????

fierce ruin Oct 14, 2020, 12:52 AM

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ohh

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I don't know, I feel like it came off wrong

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anywhozein, never found a real use for trains

bleak coral Oct 14, 2020, 12:57 AM

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for clarification, I think when you start reaching the 1.5km - 2km+ range I think trains are worth it, especially if you'd need to run more than 2 or 3 belts

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and at those ranges I wouldn't expect there to be foundation the whole way

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trains also act as electricity transportation and personal transportation

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so that helps imo when you're talking about moving stuff from far away

fierce ruin Oct 14, 2020, 1:03 AM

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if you use factories dispatched around the map, trains can be really good to connect them (specially if you need to transport items that aren't produced at a important rate, so traveling time isn't really a problem).

glacial hemlock Oct 14, 2020, 1:42 AM

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@bleak coral but it doesn't change the fact that a railway has a throughput of 400k item/min

bleak coral Oct 14, 2020, 1:44 AM

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what causes the upper limit? distance + belt speed?

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oh I just saw on the wiki, that's the theoretical upper limit per car, not taking into account round trip time

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is that right?

fierce ruin Oct 14, 2020, 1:56 AM

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belt speed limits the output/freight station. distance limits the output per number of train you are using, but you can just add more trains. So in the end, the real limit upper limit of train is the belts you plug to them and the loading/unloading time (i'm assuming the 400k item/min is what you get only considering that part, but your belt are a stronger limit).

glacial hemlock Oct 14, 2020, 3:12 AM

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The 400k/min is based on an infinite long train moving non-stop on a railway

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In essence, railway is just a method to 'bundle' up multiple belts to save fps

steady jolt Oct 14, 2020, 5:00 AM

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@obsidian sluice what did you make that chart with? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/765547410230870024/unknown.png?width=400&height=156

keen patio Oct 14, 2020, 5:00 AM

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Are you asking how that was made?

glacial hemlock Oct 14, 2020, 5:08 AM

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It is grenny's calculator, link at #welcome

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https://www.satisfactorytools.com/

Satisfactory Tools

A collection of powerful tools for planning and building the perfect base. Calculate your production or consumption, browse items, buildings, and schematics and share your builds with others!

steady jolt Oct 14, 2020, 5:15 AM

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thanks!

obsidian sluice Oct 14, 2020, 8:38 AM

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I do all my planning through greeny's calculator! and I use pen and paper to calculate the specifics

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like figuring out how to group my machine inputs and outputs

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 8:48 AM

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I really like this one- https://legorin.github.io/satisfactory-calculator/calc.html#items=supercomputer:f:1

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(can't attest to its accuracy tho)

glacial hemlock Oct 14, 2020, 10:02 AM

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it is a nice presentation to see the item flow, but hey, have you turned on the alternates?

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 10:10 AM

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oh yikes you need to manually select ALL the recipes you want to use

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that's a nightmare

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:03 AM

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i like it for its visualisation of item flow in proportion. It's a readable representation that conforms with good design principles for the display of quantitative information. Stick and ball diagrams only really give you one dimension of relationship.

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:04 AM

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yeah but if you dont know what the optimal production chain is, you're not getting much benefit from using it

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:04 AM

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For a given value of "benefit", that may be true.

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:04 AM

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you'd have to know how each recipe is most beneficial to get the most items in the end

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weighted resource value is most used

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defining value based on how common the resource is

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:05 AM

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right but "benefit" here surely must be for the player, rather than for the game?

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:06 AM

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well the benefit is being able to produce as much as possible and wasting as little resources as possible

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:06 AM

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is it?

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:06 AM

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I'd say in general thats a good thing

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well, your link is very wasteful

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Sure, but it's very beneficial too! When resources are infinite, the concept of waste is pretty dubious.

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:07 AM

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but resource are not infinte

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:08 AM

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drained the sea already?

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:08 AM

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the nodes dont get depleted, but there is a finite amount of nodes available

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the sea is irrelevant for this

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:08 AM

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That sounds pretty infinite to me. All that is limited is the delivery rate.

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:08 AM

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water only amplifies what nodes can produce, but that's still infinite

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you dont magically get more iron nodes out of nowhere

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the map is limited

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example:

this is literally impossible in the game right now

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the calculator doesnt know this, so it will provide incorrect information

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Well, maybe when I need 500 TM a minute, I will consider using a different calculator, providing it conforms to good visual design principles.

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I still really like this one.

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:12 AM

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you'd rather have fancy visuals than correct information?

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:13 AM

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I can have both.

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:14 AM

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but this is showing incorrect information

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so... I disagree

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:16 AM

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Works for me, YMMV

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:16 AM

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-it's showing information that's not possible with the resources available on the map

it's not taking resource values into account causing you to potentially waste a lot of valuable resources unless you know which recipes are used in conjuction with other recipes to save the most of them
it doesnt clearly distinguish between default and alt recipes
it doesnt show a warning that your production chain is going past the map limits

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:16 AM

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I think you should probably write a research paper

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:17 AM

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I think the value of fancy visuals does not outweigh the problems those issues create

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:17 AM

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So what problems will it create for me when I am planning my Nobelisk factory?

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:17 AM

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especially not for people who dont know the ins and outs of the game's math and recipes

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:17 AM

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specifically

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and are those problems of such a magnitude that the benefits of using a sankey diagram for factory planning are negated?

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:19 AM

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you may lose out on saving resources for other production chains because of better alt recipes
if you want to get max nobelisks from the map for some reason, you may not actually get the max because your resources arent used optimally
you may waste valuable resources because you're adding stuff to the chain that may not have been needed

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:19 AM

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What would you estimate are the time benefit/deficit factors, and to what extent will it affect my combined enjoyment quotient?

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Resources are effectively infinite.
Don't want max, because don't need max, need enough
Waste isn't a thing (see 1)

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:20 AM

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resources are not infinite, as I described above

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Resources run out when?

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:20 AM

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the miners produce infinite material, but there are finite amount of nodes on the map

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:20 AM

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and infinite times a finite number equals -?

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:20 AM

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not infinite

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:20 AM

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*infinity

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:20 AM

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i dont think you understand how this works

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:21 AM

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well you know your times tables. One time infinity is infinity, two times infinity is ...

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:21 AM

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but it's not infinity

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because there's a cap on the production rate as well

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when you use a production calculator, you're not asking 'I want to make 1000 nobelisks eventually
you're asking: 'i want to make 100 nobelisks per minute'

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and the 'per minute' thing is what matters

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:22 AM

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am I? How do you know this?

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:22 AM

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by that logic, you can literally disregard any calculator

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just have 1 miner per ore type produce 1 ore per hour and run it for infinite

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:31 AM

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You certainly don't have to slavishly obey calculators. I really like that one because of the reasons described. It helps me visualise item flows. It hasn't caused me any problems at all because it works nicely with the vanilla recipes I've used and my current game progress. It increases my enjoyment of the game, and therefore has a great benefit.

If the resources don't run out, they are effectively infinite in amount. Only the extraction utilisation rates are capped. Output rates need to be useful, but not excessive.

I don't need 100 nobs a minute, I need a nob factory to ensure that I have more than I need. I don't need it to be efficient until I am butting up against the extraction rate cap, which is a long, long, long way off.

My point overall is, is that just because a tool like this, doesn't deliver overweening detail and accuracy is not a reason to dismiss it when it does something that no other tool does - what you term "fancy visuals" and what I term the visual display of quantitative information.

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just have 1 miner per ore type produce 1 ore per hour and run it for infinite
@sand garnet Yes - precisely. Unless you're asserting that this is not possible. It might be a bit slow for some people, but each to their own.

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:39 AM

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the point is the game already shows all that basic information

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 11:55 AM

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I must have missed that part of it.

glacial hemlock Oct 14, 2020, 11:59 AM

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@tom i guess you may stop giving opinion atm hehe

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 11:59 AM

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worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 12:01 PM

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Oh sure. If it did this on the same screen it would be even better n'est ce pas?

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I haven't check the numbers tho - that may be a tremendously wasteful plan

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 12:02 PM

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but you just said it doesnt matter how many per min you produce, so at that point the information in the game is enough

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open machine > select recipe > produce part > rinse and repeat

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thats literally core gameplay

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 12:03 PM

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I find it really does help me visualise item flows better than stick and ball diagrams though. I may be unique in this respect, but I am happy with that.

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but you just said it doesnt matter how many per min you produce, so at that point the information in the game is enough
@sand garnet WHere did I say that? Genuinely - I thought I was saying that you only need to produce what you need to produce, you don't need to be at max efficiency, and I agreed with you on the logic that if you wanted, you could complete the game with one node of each, but it would take you a long time to get anywhere. Point is, it wouldn't be axiomatically wrong or impossible in the software to do that.

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 12:08 PM

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@sand garnet Yes - precisely. Unless you're asserting that this is not possible. It might be a bit slow for some people, but each to their own.
@worldly spear

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anyway, this is getting a bit ridiculous so I'm out

worldly spear Oct 14, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Well to be strictly accurate, you posited the notion that "by that logic, you can literally disregard any calculator - just have 1 miner per ore type produce 1 ore per hour and run it for infinite"!

and I agreed.

glacial hemlock Oct 14, 2020, 12:24 PM

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actually all satisfactory players are mind-controlled by the calculators, we build what the calculators told us to.

frosty owl Oct 14, 2020, 12:44 PM

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actually all satisfactory players are mind-controlled by the calculators, we build what the calculators told us to.
@glacial hemlock actually, I'm at 400+ machines and have yet to use any calculator other then the in-game one (other then the map 😅) . We can do it, even with our feeble human brains

fallen gull Oct 14, 2020, 1:08 PM

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@glacial hemlock actually, I’m at 400+ machines and have yet to use any calculator other then the in-game one (other then the map 😅) . We can do it, even with our feeble human brains
@frosty owl I also didn’t use any calculators up until it was time to make turbo motors. But then, since I decided to make 20 turbo motor manufacturers, I figured using a calculator was best, as too much time doing math detracts from the fun I think hehe

frosty owl Oct 14, 2020, 1:14 PM

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@frosty owl I also didn’t use any calculators up until it was time to make turbo motors. But then, since I decided to make 20 turbo motor manufacturers, I figured using a calculator was best, as too much time doing math detracts from the fun I think hehe
@fallen gull I guess I just like to do math as long as it's not for studying purposes 🤣
I just find it more compelling, to build something after figuring out the best way myself (or failing and learning from it)

fallen gull Oct 14, 2020, 1:17 PM

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I'm not particularly good at math, and do it pretty slowly, so when a project is too big I just go "nah"

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But I also liked to figure things out myself up until I decided to do this big project

frosty owl Oct 14, 2020, 1:41 PM

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But I also liked to figure things out myself up until I decided to do this big project
@fallen gull Well, it all depends on how big is "too big" for your brain ahahah
I just hope I'll be able to finish my base without the calculator as I haven't had serious issues up to now (not since I found the in-game calculator, that is ^^)

fallen gull Oct 14, 2020, 1:45 PM

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You said you enjoyed doing math, so I believe you will be able.

dusky dust Oct 14, 2020, 2:23 PM

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Heh, I'd ended up sort of writing my own calculator thing to plan my v2 base, so at least I had some starting input into the caluclator that'll be controlling my brain

glacial hemlock Oct 14, 2020, 4:10 PM

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that is super brain

hard jay Oct 14, 2020, 7:04 PM

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any tips to make it looks more clean ?

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sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 7:17 PM

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its not possible to get straight belts down

rigid knoll Oct 14, 2020, 7:17 PM

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if you really wanted, you could place a splitter or merger during the straight segments, and then remove half of the extensible conveyor poles and their segments

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 7:18 PM

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I think splitters get placed straight too though

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not along the foundation slope

rigid knoll Oct 14, 2020, 7:18 PM

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and then remove the splitters/erges and redraw the conveyors in between, now with angled edges

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you place the splitter on the existing belt

neat matrix Oct 14, 2020, 7:18 PM

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If you want it clean use an lift.

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 7:18 PM

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ah yeah like that

frosty owl Oct 14, 2020, 7:18 PM

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any tips to make it looks more clean ?
@hard jay
Get the inclined foundations and distance the conveyor poles as much as possible ^^

rigid knoll Oct 14, 2020, 7:18 PM

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which is angled and lets you cut a belt while keeping the end on the same slope

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 7:18 PM

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thats quite the hassle but might work

rigid knoll Oct 14, 2020, 7:18 PM

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yeah, it would be a major pain

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but afaik is the only way to avoid it going horizontal once every N belt segments

sand garnet Oct 14, 2020, 7:21 PM

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yup

neat light Oct 14, 2020, 7:34 PM

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I just ran belts next to the others horizontally before going vertically. For whatever reason it looks cleaner to me when there is uniformity even if on a micro level that uniformity is not "clean" I posted a screenshot of my belt ramp a few days ago. Can search my posts in screenshots if u want to see it

young rover Oct 14, 2020, 8:11 PM

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I would suggest the same. Go straight then use a lift ... no more slope

dusky dust Oct 14, 2020, 8:20 PM

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wtb rail lifts

bleak coral Oct 14, 2020, 8:20 PM

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Wtb train turntables

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It wouldn't be better than loops, but it'd sure look cool

cedar mica Oct 14, 2020, 8:24 PM

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Dont work properly. The AI dont see it, just that the path gets broken

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Not to mention, a turntable would need to be expanable, to have any usage

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50 foundation long turntable... No thanks

hard jay Oct 14, 2020, 8:43 PM

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finally i got it

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it toke me almost 2 hours

cedar mica Oct 14, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Then another hour of upgrading the belt, once you have mk3...

nova orchid Oct 14, 2020, 8:53 PM

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lol

rigid knoll Oct 14, 2020, 9:10 PM

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nah, upgrading is like 5m even for that length

cedar mica Oct 14, 2020, 9:22 PM

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Dont think you can run that distance, in 5 min, while upgrading 3 belts

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30m to 1h is more accurate, depending on inventory space

trim geyser Oct 14, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Is electrode circuit board alt recipe any good? it looks like an interesting easy early alternative to get rid of early petroleum coke excess

heady zealot Oct 14, 2020, 9:45 PM

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is there a good way i can split 3 conveyor belts (each transporting 240 coal/min) into 4 conveyor belts but without putting too many items on one conveyor belt at once since i only have mk3 (270/m) belts

compact oasis Oct 14, 2020, 9:46 PM

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1+1=

fierce ruin Oct 14, 2020, 9:47 PM

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@trim geyser it costs too much oil to be a good way to produce circuit board.

heady zealot Oct 14, 2020, 9:47 PM

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someone pls help me

trim geyser Oct 14, 2020, 9:48 PM

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try using mk1 belts in key places to limit the throughtput @heady zealot

heady zealot Oct 14, 2020, 9:48 PM

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wait am i not intelligent cant i just use smart splitters in some way or another

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im pretty sure i can

fierce ruin Oct 14, 2020, 9:49 PM

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split them all in 2. split 2 of the output in 2. you will have 4 belt at 120, 4 at 60; merge them 2 by 2.

heady zealot Oct 14, 2020, 9:50 PM

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you know what i think ill just use smart splitters because those sure are smarter than me

signal sky Oct 14, 2020, 11:28 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/764199551552585768/unknown.png

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I made that a few days ago about another thing

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But it has 3 inputs and 4 outputs

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Being perfectly balanced doesn't matter cause it'll back up and run at 100% eventually even if it's not able to run more than 270/m

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@heady zealot

vague mirage Oct 14, 2020, 11:38 PM

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There might be something wrong with the currently displayed math for coal generators or pipes or pumps. There's a weird machine in a multiplayer map I've been playing on that's running like 12 coal plants with a single pipe with pumps attached. It has enough water generators to produce that water, but my understanding is that it shouldn't work based on the flow maximum. I don't understand how that setup I mentioned works as I mentioned (it shouldn't work in my brain), and I haven't tried to reproduce it yet, but something wacky is going on. It's possible that pumps allow you to somehow break the pipe flow cap through a bug.

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I mention this in the event anyone feels inspired to play around with it.

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To me, it might as well be a computer that's just chrismas lights inside.

dusky dust Oct 14, 2020, 11:39 PM

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The gens only use as much resources as are needed to supply the power demands

vague mirage Oct 14, 2020, 11:39 PM

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thaaat was not something I had thought of.

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interesting!

dusky dust Oct 14, 2020, 11:39 PM

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If there's not a lot of load on the system, it'll seem to work fine, but once it exceeds the pipe flow limits, you'll trip the breaker

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That or they're doing something funky with their liquid delivery that you'd not noticed, I suppose. :)

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Or mods or something

vague mirage Oct 14, 2020, 11:41 PM

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Lol, I'll take any explanation at this point. Looking at each plant being full of water got me confused given the lack of knowledge that the plants were sort of auto-underclocking themselves.

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Modless game, that I can confirm.

dusky dust Oct 14, 2020, 11:43 PM

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Yeah, that resource usage thing can be insidious

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I think practically everyone's probably had unexpected power losses due to that on their first coal setups

heady zealot Oct 14, 2020, 11:52 PM

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gosh this coal power plant requires a lot of electricity just to keep it generating it's own power

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396MW just to keep it running

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how the heck am i supposed to jump start this thing

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just starting it needs over 5 coal generators' worth of power

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i need some overclocked biomass burners

dusky dust Oct 14, 2020, 11:57 PM

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I'd always set up some easily-disconnectable power grids to give me an easy way to bootstrap

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In your case, set up a little grid for those 5 gens, and another grid for the rest of the gen network. One easily-disconnected wire between the 5 and the rest, and another to your factories

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Bootstrap the five, connect those, and then connect to the factories once it's humming

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:00 AM

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should i have my water pumps and coal miners connected to a seperate power grid of coal generators

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loses some capacity but would work

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then again i need to jump start those too

dusky dust Oct 15, 2020, 12:01 AM

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I wouldn't bother, if it were me, but that could work

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Also you could feed water/coal into buffers/containers first, to give yourself an auto-bootstrap once they've got stuff in 'em

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(I've never actually done that for liquids, but I always kept a container in front of each line of coal gens, for the coal. Like between the miners and the gens)

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:04 AM

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i could do that but i dont have easy space for fluid buffers

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for the pipes at least ill just rely on the fact that the pipes themselves work as containers

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this is what im working with

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48 generators, 9 fluid pumps, 3 mk1 miners

rigid knoll Oct 15, 2020, 12:06 AM

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you don't even need anything special on the generators, just the miners and pumps to support the bootstrap

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:11 AM

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I got 6 biomass burners set up, 5 are max overclocked

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I am somewhat hopeful

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Dang it

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330MW ain’t enough

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I need 396MW to start this

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At the very least, some coal left on the conveyor belts flowed into the new generators so I only need to power the water pumps at first

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“When in doubt just disconnect half of your water pumps so your biomass burners’ fuses won’t break”

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THEY DIDNT STALL

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oh god my capacity just rose so much

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Almost there...

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a bit slow of a startup due to the very long manifolds for delivering the coal

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but ive reached over 3000MW capacity

silk kernel Oct 15, 2020, 12:23 AM

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What's the best building or thing to use as a load to test a power factory? I want to intentionally put max load on the power generators to test that the inputs are all provided correctly. Anyone do this regularly?

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:24 AM

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5 generators left to turn on...

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idk duppy try overclocking some assemblers

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those things use tons of electricity

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or overclock water pumps

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just get something that uses lots of electricity (the most electricity usage out of any component ive unlocked so far is water extractor) and overclock it a bunch

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i need my factory to get fully backed up

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so it can distribute all the coal

silk kernel Oct 15, 2020, 12:26 AM

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that's a good idea. but I think I'd have to hook it up to a fluid buffer - i think it will auto underclock once the water output pipe get full

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:27 AM

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well just get a couple fluid buffers

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and constantly drain the whole fluid network

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the more buffers, the less often you gotta drain

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tho cant you just look at the capacity that your power plant shows

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oh right nvm

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you gotta actually simulate the power usage to test out the coal and water usage

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oh wait not all power plants are coal power plants

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nevermind about that too i suck at thinking apparently

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Progress update on my own power plant: It is fully operational!

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It is at a constant max capacity of 3,600MW

silk kernel Oct 15, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Hypertube Entrances provide a constant load and don't use any resources. But can't over clock and you would need a whole lot of them as a test load

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:33 AM

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and at least for now while not consuming many resources, only between 35 and 60 MW usage to keep itself going

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i havent unlocked those yet

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but i plan to

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anyways tomorrow i think ill get to work on a general iron products factory, which will take in at least around 1020 iron/min and turn it into a bunch of stuff

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maybe even more iron than that if i want

silk kernel Oct 15, 2020, 12:35 AM

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When I first got to 2000MW with coal I thought I was fine, but as I actually used above 1500MW I discovered the hard way that I wasn't giving them enough water

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:35 AM

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well i did the math for mine

silk kernel Oct 15, 2020, 12:36 AM

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I recommend making more screws than you think you will need with that iron - until you get alt recipes, screws are used a whole bunch more than plates and rods

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:36 AM

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my 3 normal coal deposits being mined by 1 mk2 miner each and my 18 water extractors produce exactly as much of each resource as needed

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and luckily i have mk3 conveyor belts to transport that coal

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i made sure to do some math, and every 2.6666 coal generators needs 1 water extractor

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meaning that my 48 coal generators need 18 extractors total

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anyways lets finally connect this power plant to my main power grid

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My main power grid uses as much as 933.6MW of electricity at peaks with a lot of fluctuating

silk kernel Oct 15, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Do you use 3 extractors per pipe and underclock them? I think if you spread 9 extractors across 4 pipes you can keep all 4 pipes full, but I haven't tried it.

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:41 AM

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not sure what you mean

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no modified clock speed, and each side of my power plant is just one entire connected pipe system

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oh my power dropped to as low as 571.5 MW at some point

silk kernel Oct 15, 2020, 12:42 AM

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pipe maxes out at 300 m^3/min, each extractor creates 120 - so 3 extractors will backup on one pipe

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:42 AM

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it fluctuates a lot

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Well I wasn’t concerned about that specifically, I was concerned about the pipe having the capacity to fulfill the speed of the generators, not speed of the extractors

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I found that about 6 or so generators can be filled with enough water through one pipe

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I was careful about making sure that it works

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if you look at this image, you can see my pipe system

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just a long line of pipes along the side, with lots of connections along it

silk kernel Oct 15, 2020, 12:48 AM

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and it looks like your extractors come in every 2, but sometimes 3 coal, that looks like what I was trying to describe

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Maybe the wiki says it better

Water extractor = Coal generator / 2.6666
Spread out the water supply across multiple pipelines as following:
Pipelines required = Coal generator / 6.6666
Coal burn time is 4 seconds, which means that a single Coal Generator consumes 15 Coal/min.
Pipelines only have a capacity of 300 m3/min. Thus, when connecting Water Extractors to a line feeding 7 or more Coal Generators, Water inputs either need to be spaced out or be separated.
Alternatively, underclock Water Extractors to 75% and connect each of them to exactly 2 Coal Generators. That way, the amount of Water Extractors is half the amount of Coal Generators.
Using Water Extractors underclocked to 75% require an additional extractor for every 8 Coal Generators, trading space for ratio simplicity. For 8 Coal Generators you either need 3 Water Extractors at 100% (3*20 = 60MW) or 4 Water Extractors at 75% (12.6 * 4 = 50.4MW). This can be useful early on when you still need to save up on energy consumption on Water Extractors.
A Water Extractor has about the same width as 2 Coal Generators so it would be easier to tile the layout.```https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Coal_Generator

Satisfactory Wiki

Coal Generator

The Coal Generator is a building that generates Power using Coal and Water. It is the first fully automate-able power source the engineer has access to and also the first power source to use a mined resource.

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:52 AM

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My goal with the extractors is to at least get them to be evenly spread out

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Mine ain’t underclocked like this says, don’t got that space and I don’t wanna use more materials

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But that does make sense when you have enough space

hot ginkgo Oct 15, 2020, 12:55 AM

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3:8 is usualy the best. Perfectly feeds the gens. No clocking needed. Snd uses a nice easy 120 coal.

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Well I basically got 6 of those

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using 720 coal/min at max

silk kernel Oct 15, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Thanks - this helped me find my problem. I placed my coal generators way down the cliff with water extractors at the top of the waterfall for style points - but with only 1 pipe per group of extractors coming out I can't be as efficient merging all the pipe outputs - you need a coal generator to be in-between the extractors to bleed of some of the flow

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jak got it right

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Yeah generators between the extractors is most likely the best use of your copper sheets

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yay I got something right even tho I’m relatively a noob at this game

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 1:05 AM

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48 generators with only 9 extractors? do you overclock your water extractors? there may be not enough water

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 1:05 AM

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no

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9 on each side with 2 rows of 24 generators each

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 1:06 AM

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oh, you mean 9 pipeline pumps

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 1:06 AM

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no

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not that either

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I have 18 total extractors

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9 on each side of my power plant

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it’s a decently symmetrical factory with each side

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I have no pipeline pumps

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none are needed

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 1:10 AM

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looking great!

heady zealot Oct 15, 2020, 1:11 AM

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It’s a nice factory, functions well

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Hopefully I can make good use of it tomorrow, tho for tonight imma head out (at least it’s night for me)

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 6:53 AM

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I am so excited. What could be revealed tonight? Pipe overflow valve? Priority merger valve?

stark bronze Oct 15, 2020, 6:54 AM

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Pipes with windows

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Washing machines

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 6:54 AM

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We already have pipes with windows

neat light Oct 15, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Its gonna be a trick, will lead with some kind of plumbing teasing at mk2 pipes then a jump cut to the actual reveal of something completely different

stark bronze Oct 15, 2020, 7:06 AM

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I would love that

bleak coral Oct 15, 2020, 7:07 AM

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"Fluids" update: now everything is a fluid

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No more solids

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No more conveyors

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All pipes all the time

stark bronze Oct 15, 2020, 7:07 AM

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This would have been a better scare back when everything is refineries

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 7:08 AM

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@neat light like what they did for update3

neat light Oct 15, 2020, 7:09 AM

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I assume so? I wasnt around when update 3 launched. Am about a month since purchase maybe less

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Actually Refineries at the end game is kinda boring, i wonder if there are more specialized buildings such as fluid refinery and ore refinery which are the advanced version of refinery. And i would gladly welcome a 'revamp' of early smelting such as raw ore, crushed ore, pallet, ingot then casting

stark bronze Oct 15, 2020, 7:11 AM

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"kinda boring" is a huge undertake

neat light Oct 15, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Wouldn't be so bad if they weren't tall af

stark bronze Oct 15, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Or have moving parts

bleak coral Oct 15, 2020, 7:13 AM

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just some variety would nice

neat light Oct 15, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I'm sure the devs have a lot of crazy shit planned. We are still on the tip of a very effecient iceberg

sand garnet Oct 15, 2020, 9:18 AM

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node purity

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the miner only getting that amount is linked to node purity which might be important to mention

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also, the '1 plate every 3 seconds' is confusing as it sends out 2 plates at a time

vast prawn Oct 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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cool idea kwjcool321

sand garnet Oct 15, 2020, 9:20 AM

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the '2 plates at a time' thing might be useful to mention

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 9:21 AM

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ok. thanks!

sand garnet Oct 15, 2020, 9:33 AM

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maybe also mention the amount of items in the inventory and amount needed to produce

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glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 9:34 AM

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that's great!

sand garnet Oct 15, 2020, 9:34 AM

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also, slight sentence mistake 'won't stuck at the machine' = won't get stuck

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 9:39 AM

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sand garnet Oct 15, 2020, 9:42 AM

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I dont think you should clarify it's 100 for a stack btw

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as some stucks dont adhere to the 100 per stack limit

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 9:42 AM

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oh, that's right

fallen gull Oct 15, 2020, 1:24 PM

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Actually Refineries at the end game is kinda boring, i wonder if there are more specialized buildings such as fluid refinery and ore refinery which are the advanced version of refinery. And i would gladly welcome a 'revamp' of early smelting such as raw ore, crushed ore, pallet, ingot then casting
@glacial hemlock It's kinda boring, but you can do some roleplay. For example, nature's forests are ugly, so you can make a pretty FICSIT Forest ™

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glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 1:30 PM

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lol

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i can see how you have burnt your life away in this screenshot

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even my refinery array seems small compared to yours

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fallen gull Oct 15, 2020, 1:36 PM

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It did take a lot of time hehe

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But it's like therapy for me, once you get in the flow of building it's kinda like meditation

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Where's this water mass you built at? It seems to be high up

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 1:40 PM

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it is just an illusion. The above setup is built on the North sea.

fallen gull Oct 15, 2020, 1:44 PM

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Cool. It's a nice visual illusion, seems like a gigantic waterfall coming down on the world from above

bleak coral Oct 15, 2020, 2:55 PM

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@glacial hemlock The layout on the smart plating page with a mk2 belt limit has a place where it goes >120ppm
I know you can overcome belt limits with inserters, but I assume that layout isn't supposed to need those to make it easier
I've got a layout that fixes it, but I don't know how to update media on a wiki

glacial hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 3:27 PM

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that's great, you mean the 125/min belt?

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click on the image should lead you to its own page, in it you can choose to 'upload new version'

chilly patrol Oct 15, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Pipe update? Pipe to the toilet, so u can finally flush it... after so long time.

fierce ruin Oct 15, 2020, 7:46 PM

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WHAT IS 100000000321321321312312321432432 +2128376218472314673816413

empty hemlock Oct 15, 2020, 7:46 PM

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about 3

hot ginkgo Oct 15, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Atleast 58. If not more.

neat light Oct 15, 2020, 8:33 PM

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42

tropic plover Oct 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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@fierce ruin thats 1e+32

wind spade Oct 15, 2020, 9:38 PM

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not really on topic of this channel but it's 100000002449697539784626995248845

fierce ruin Oct 15, 2020, 11:33 PM

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wait would i be able to produce tat much lol

bleak coral Oct 16, 2020, 12:14 AM

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Damn, now I'm wondering what's the highest ppm you can achieve for one item

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It's probably gonna be the boring answer, screws, but I'm still curious

fierce ruin Oct 16, 2020, 12:40 AM

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1 549 982 screws/min, apparently (wire are the second best option, with around 500 000)

glacial hemlock Oct 16, 2020, 12:41 AM

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are they using up all the steels and oils?

fierce ruin Oct 16, 2020, 12:43 AM

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not all oil

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just 7500/min

bleak coral Oct 16, 2020, 12:46 AM

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Thanks, I figured it was screws

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There's just so much more iron than anything else, and nothing else inflates from iron like screws

glacial hemlock Oct 16, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Lemme think... that would be equal to 3mil points/min, still can be easily overcomed by 10 turbomotors/min

fierce ruin Oct 16, 2020, 12:51 AM

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i didn't said it was the best point/min, but part/min

bleak coral Oct 16, 2020, 1:04 AM

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oh huh everyone's always talking about 156 turbomotors, but 823 adaptive control units actually beats it by about 7 million points per minute

trim geyser Oct 16, 2020, 2:21 AM

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so feeding adaptive control units is better than turbomotors?

glacial hemlock Oct 16, 2020, 3:33 AM

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True, but which is more resource effective?

keen patio Oct 16, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Briefly looking at the 822 (823 didnt work) ACUnits... it uses a HUGE portion of the worlds materials, including 99.9% of the Iron, Copper, Quartz, and all of the Oil.

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Vs turbomotors left oil mostly alone IIRC (needed something like ~800 of it for plastic), letting you use it for turbofuel.

bleak coral Oct 16, 2020, 3:41 AM

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yeah it uses so much quartz that it needs bauxite to satisfy it's silica needs

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wait, I fucked up originally, I used the wrong points number lol

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I mistyped on the calculator and put 922.91 instead of 822.91

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 4:32 AM

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clearly you max turbomotors, then ACUs

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i think you can make ACUs without quartz but its a pretty efficient alt recipe (crystal computer), which is why it used that much

bleak coral Oct 16, 2020, 4:37 AM

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the missing parts of these problems I'm always too lazy to solve though: minimizing nuclear fuel rods to produce just enough power

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 4:38 AM

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unless maxing fuel rods is a better use of material than maxing acus as well

glacial hemlock Oct 16, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Caterium computer + silicone circuit board ftw, not the other way round

neat light Oct 16, 2020, 2:44 PM

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@bleak coral sink overflow fuel rods so the resources are always being utilized?

glacial hemlock Oct 16, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Sink the fuel rods to continuously strain the Power grid? hmmm..............

neat light Oct 16, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Alright, maybe not the best idea

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 4:24 PM

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i mean fuel rods are worth quite a few points

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and if youre maxing points and have big nuclear none of that should be a problem

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it just loops back to the question of if sinking fuel rods is a better resource->point conversion for non-uranium than putting those to ACUs and sinking excess uranium ore or pellets

obsidian sluice Oct 16, 2020, 5:00 PM

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if I were to build that, I would set up a smart splitter to direct fuel rods towards your nuclear power plants, but if they're full on fuel, it would direct the rods into a sink?

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because like, if I've built the infrastructure to turn 480 uranium/min into 25 NFR/min, I might as well run it at full capacity

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25 NFRs/min goes into 125 nuclear plants at max, so that's 312.5GW

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the wiki states (without citations) that consuming all resources would take ~500GW https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Nuclear_Power_Plant

Satisfactory Wiki

Nuclear Power Plant

The Nuclear Power Plant is a building that generates power using Nuclear Fuel Rods and Water, producing Nuclear Waste in the process.
It generates 2500 MW at 100% Clock speed. At 100% power utilization, a Nuclear Power Plant consumes 0.2 Nuclear Fuel Rods and 300 m3 of Water p...

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 5:05 PM

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yeah you'd use a standard overflow setup, only rods that cant be directed to reactors cause theyre full would be sinked

young rover Oct 16, 2020, 7:36 PM

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I sink by overflow smart splitters ANY ressources that I produce.from ore to turbo motors. It keeps most of the machine at 100% and stable power consumption... but that is just me. Of course the goal is not to sink ore and only sink the most valuable items like turbo motors / super comp / nuke fuel rods etc ... I just like personally to try to keep all running all the time 🙂

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:22 PM

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right i was gonna submit math on this

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:39 PM

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on the assumption that its more point efficient to use sulfur for something that isn't uranium pellets unless we're going full fuel rods - which might be wrong but seems fairly reasonable if it lets us make more steel which can craft quite a few times...
For reference, I am considering the case in which oil is converted to packaged fuel and sunk (the most efficient way to sink crude oil), this occurs at 2/3 the rate that plastic or oil can be produced. I dunno if this is the best way to handle it (it weights oil insanely high) but we'll see.
1 fuel rod/min requires 2295 points/min worth of non-uranium raw materials, while it gives 75292 points/min (the amount of points per rod)
subtract out the points from 19.05 uranium ore/min from the final product means crafting fuel rods gives us a 'crafting ratio' (points gained from product vs just sinking raw materials) of about 32 for our non-uranium materials.
For ACUs - 1/min requires 3119 points/min worth of resources, and give 86120 points/min for a ratio of 27.6, slightly less than fuel rods. So fuel rods are a bit more efficient

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if we just drop out oil entirely they go to 72 for fuel rods and 124 for ACUs respectively, so I might need a better way to manage that

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if we consider oil as 30 points/m^3 (packaged oil sinks for 180, so 'sum of materials' would cost 90, and an empty package costs 60)...
we get ACUs with a ratio of 104 and fuel rods with a ratio of 67.5
course none of this considers the cascade of alt recipes that will be needed as we run out of each next raw material

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 8:42 PM

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This is very relevant, though it ignores power: https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/jax34o/i_computed_the_maximum_awesome_point_rate_using/

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It ends up making nuclear fuel rods for points anyway, enough to run about half of the machines listed, so it's not far off. I actually just messaged him with the resources required to run nuclear to power it all to see if he'll run his code again minus those resources to see if the extra sulfur restriction changes things

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The 156 turbo motors is still optimal, but the other interesting thing is the leftover resources can still make 536 ACUs

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:45 PM

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I know it's 100% powered with fuel rods

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cause those are by far and away the cheapest for raw material investment (considering crafting chain increasing value of materials too)

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i did that math a while back

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 8:46 PM

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yeah, I was making a separate point about why his solution shouldn't be thrown away just because it doesn't quite power itself

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:47 PM

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oh yeah his solution, if its correct, is applicable if it already includes fuel rods, can just subtract the points acquired from those for powering things

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 8:48 PM

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I just did the math yesterday actually, you can use those rods to make ~330GW and the buildings use ~560GW, so it's not QUITE there, but if he runs the adjusted sim to make the ~600GW I don't think it will look too different, though I'm eager to see

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:48 PM

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huh, sinking 27/min, im actually not sure if that's enough to power everything

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i guess cause he did it with a LP optimizer it's as simple as putting a constraint in

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 8:50 PM

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I calculated out the resources to make ~600 GW off the spreadsheet (after correcting for using pure copper instead of copper alloy recipe) and sent it to him, all he has to do is subtract them from the initial resource availability

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trying to code it out to precisely optimize how much power you need would be an order of magnitude harder and probably not much more precise tbh

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:51 PM

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what i find really interesting is that it favors ACUs way more than fuel rods, but still includes fuel rods.
This lines up with the math I just did which favors ACUs when considering raw oil cost, but fuel rods probably creep in cause they become more efficient when some of the most efficient alts used in ACUs become exhausted.

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also all that concrete lmao

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 8:51 PM

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yeah, just so much useless limestone on the map

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there are some very interesting conclusions it comes to that when you examine recipes in isolation isn't super apparent

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I find it very interesting that coal is rare enough and steel is so much more efficient that you end up splitting evenly between compacted steel ingots and solid steel ingots

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:53 PM

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yeah, what happens there i think is all the spare sulphur after makign fuel rods is funneled into compacted steel cause it's more coal-efficient than solid steel

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 8:54 PM

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agreed

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:54 PM

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and the ability to craft steel so many times makes up for the fact the compacted steel recipe, by itself, is actually a point loss

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 8:55 PM

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steel is just a multiplier on a lot of the low tier recipes, increasing the amount of higher tier items you can make in the long run

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It's also amusing that leftover oil gets turned into petroleum coke to make even more steel, even though that recipe is horrible

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:55 PM

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holy shit its using adhered iron plate and steel coated plate

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the blasphemy

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 8:55 PM

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OH YEAH! That was mind boggling

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I also asked for his source on the inputs / what he used

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If you read the comments it's also hilarious that he didn't even know about the diluted fuel multiplier recipes but his program found it, which I think means he set it up well to be very open

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:57 PM

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greeny's calc was right all along

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 8:57 PM

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Oh? I must have missed that

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:57 PM

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yeah greeny's calc favors steel coated plate

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and its cause of rarity-weighted resource consumption

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 8:58 PM

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The adhered plate surprised me more, personally, if you can make enough steel

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The thing is I think most people don't realize HOW MUCH plastic and rubber you can make now that the 1:3 recipe systems are known

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 8:59 PM

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what gets me is that its still worth doing adhered plate despite the absurdly high value of sinking packaged fuel

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 9:00 PM

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I think it's because it nearly perfectly balances the resource shifting so you make use of nearly every lower tier resource in either turbo motors or ACUs

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most people think in "either/or" for some of these recipes, but it's really a decently complex balance for the solution in the end

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 9:01 PM

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must be, its overcoming 1 unit of crude oil turning into 540 points via the recycle chain making containers and then diluted fuel

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 9:01 PM

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I mean, half the fun of the game is tinkering about with this sort of thing manually, so maybe the model takes that away from some people

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 9:01 PM

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he never did clarify how to connect it all thinking_helmet

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 9:02 PM

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oh I'm sure he has no idea based on his comments about his overall experience in the game

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I don't think you could actually run this on nearly any computer in the game, too?

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There are over 30,000 buildings running recipes.

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Plus 1200 water extractors

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Maybe I'm understimating how much the game can run if you spread it out?

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6661 constructors running iron wire, lol

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That would be the fun part of the puzzle, right? How to actually distribute the resources to the different factories in the right balance, presumably without breaking the game, and make it work

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 9:07 PM

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so when making ACUs on greeny's calcs with all recipes available steel crafts through 4-5 steps so each ingot is effectively giving 128-256 points to the final product

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and reinforced plates craft through 3 steps

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 9:08 PM

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Hmm, that would also be another interesting thing to try to calculate on: optimize the number of points generated with a limited number of machines

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might result in something actually buildable

worthy copper Oct 16, 2020, 9:10 PM

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that would be an interesting problem

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 9:15 PM

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do you happen to know what # of turbo motors amelie is shooting for?

stone vigil Oct 16, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Looks like the full 156

fresh elm Oct 17, 2020, 5:04 AM

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it is the max

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for those of you on kibitz discord server who remember me doing the 1.2 tw power plant project a while back, I uploaded my save file onto his server

hot ginkgo Oct 17, 2020, 12:29 PM

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I hope you added instructions on edits to load that beast.

sullen cloud Oct 17, 2020, 12:40 PM

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@fresh elm you did want to make a post on reddit about your build. Is there a link to this as well?

trim geyser Oct 17, 2020, 1:02 PM

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when making a hypertube accelerator with multiple hypertube entrances, is it known how much speed each entrance adds?

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like, does each one give you a 100% speed boost?

hot ginkgo Oct 17, 2020, 1:16 PM

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@trim geyser for as insane as the rest of his video is. Josh does a pretty good show case of a few different lengths and will give a decent idea of hyper tube cannon set ups.

https://youtu.be/t2X3wlvoShg

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ImKibitz has also done some hyper tube stuff in the past. But I dont know what videos off hand. Somewhat recently.

royal ice Oct 17, 2020, 1:30 PM

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I'm on my first run of Satisfactory, I'm halfway through the 5th tier and I've started to wonder

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so far, I've set up my production lines based on how much pieces/min of a specific target recipe I wanted

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but in the end, isn't a bottom-up approach more manageable? By bottom up I mean "build basic factories as long as you can keep a surplus, then build more"

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 1:39 PM

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usually that just leads to confusion later on

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its harder to keep track of what is already used than to just make dedicated lines for items because you need x amount

trim geyser Oct 17, 2020, 1:45 PM

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did some testing on hypertubes accelerators. It takes 5 accelerators (entrances) to double the initial hypertube speed. Each accelerator seem to give you a linear boost of around 20% for the first 5.

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 1:46 PM

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how are you checking the speed

trim geyser Oct 17, 2020, 1:46 PM

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timed how long it took to get out of a fixed length

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 1:47 PM

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that assumes your speed doesn't change in the tube

trim geyser Oct 17, 2020, 1:48 PM

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yeah, thats for a horizontal setup

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but still, it considers the average speed

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may not be super accurate, but can give you an estimate of how many accelerators you want

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 1:51 PM

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I'd still like if they removed the accelerator thingy

trim geyser Oct 17, 2020, 1:53 PM

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im not a big fan either, but i wish hypertubes were faster. So accelerates are the way to go for now.

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 1:55 PM

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if they give us back belt launchers they can take away the acceleration

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:33 PM

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I'd like this set of changes:

hypertubes are limited in speed to let's say 1.5-2 times the speed they have with normal entrance
hypertubes launchers are no longer working
normal entrance launches you at full speed
for uphill parts, you'd need "accelerator", which would be something like a pump, just setting max speed to players that pass through it

would make them much more balanced and consistent

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 2:39 PM

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but balanced for what? singleplayer? why limit intentionally what people can do with it

glacial hemlock Oct 17, 2020, 2:40 PM

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https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Tutorial:Production_line
Almost complete, just 1 more section to go.

Satisfactory Wiki

Tutorial:Production line

This article describes the basics of setting up production lines, how to read the UI of buildings (such as input and output item rates), and how to calculate the buildings ratio.

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:41 PM

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even for singleplayer you should have some balance

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if there was a recipe 1 iron ore -> 10 turbomotors, it would be OP

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 2:44 PM

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sure I agree with that, balance should happen

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that being said though, I feel like some stuff doesnt necessarily need to be fixed properly. some bugs can just be left alone or tweaked slightly so it's at least more consistent

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the downside of hypertube cannons is the high power draw for example

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I mean this is not a bug, it's just exploit of game mechanics

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 2:46 PM

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bug, exploit, all the same in this context :p

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:46 PM

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and power draw is super small, you have 100s of refineries, a few entrancnes with 5 MW draw don't do anything

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 2:46 PM

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would you also nerf the perfect turbofuel setup, for example? because it kinda makes nuclear power obsolete for the majority of players

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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not really

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it has it's drawbacks

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but nuclear is still superior

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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I'm fairly confident the setup provides more than enough power for the majority of players

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:47 PM

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so far

glacial hemlock Oct 17, 2020, 2:48 PM

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why balance hypertube launchers? they are the best :<

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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you just answered your own question

glacial hemlock Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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I believe speed is multiplicative instead of additive, but more systematic measurements (for example, launch distance) should be made

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@wind spade 10MW*

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:49 PM

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still

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manufacturer is 55 MW

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refinery something around that as well

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the power draw is pretty much nothing compared to your base

glacial hemlock Oct 17, 2020, 2:50 PM

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yeah, a typical launcher is only about 150MW

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:50 PM

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if it was at least dependent on player speed

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like you can set the speed of entry on the entrance, but there's exponential power draw

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similar to overclocking, but capable of more than 250%

glacial hemlock Oct 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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the player entry speed can be fixed constant by building Mk.5 belt before the entrance then standing on it.

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overclocking yeah, is a good idea

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:51 PM

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yeah what I propose is that the entrances don't do 20% more speed, but a fixed speed.

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so stacking them doesn't do a thing

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but you can set the speed in a different way

glacial hemlock Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 PM

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let's see what a jump pad can do first, maybe they will be the inferior alternative to cannon

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 2:53 PM

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booster-tubes

bleak coral Oct 17, 2020, 2:54 PM

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I just don't understand why you want to put a speed limit in the tube, what fun is that?

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:54 PM

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you don't need 500000000km/h hypertube for it to be fun

bleak coral Oct 17, 2020, 2:55 PM

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but doing that is fun

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and what does stopping it get the players?

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also 2x speed is still really slow over long distances

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:56 PM

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more consistent hypertubes

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less confusing and more balanced

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and long distance is supposed to take longer. Use a train, it's pretty fast

bleak coral Oct 17, 2020, 2:57 PM

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hypertube cannons are a pretty deliberate thing, if you're not doing that hypertubes work exactly as you'd expect

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 2:58 PM

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if people want to build 500000km hypertube they should be able to

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 2:59 PM

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by the same argument if people want a constructor that makes 780 rods/min, they should be able to

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 2:59 PM

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no

bleak coral Oct 17, 2020, 2:59 PM

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that's not the same thing

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 3:00 PM

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1 affects factory gameplay, the other has no impact on the actual factory gameplay

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Im all for not limiting creativity

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 3:00 PM

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the other has impact on gameplay as well, there's other factors apart from building a factory

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exploration, transportation, ...

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those are affected by hypertube launchers

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 3:00 PM

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how does 50000km hypertube affect it?

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sure, but we've moved away from launchers and now just talking about actual hypertubes

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right?

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 3:01 PM

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no?

bleak coral Oct 17, 2020, 3:01 PM

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km/h not km

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 3:01 PM

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^^

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 3:01 PM

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oh lol

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i thought it was distance

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 3:01 PM

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nope, I'm talking about speed

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 3:01 PM

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and well for the km/h thing, there's still needing to set it up

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I'd argue it's only really useful for inter-factory outpost transportation

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for exploration its more like a one-way ticket

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 3:02 PM

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it's the same thing as why you can't have jetpack + legs equipped at the same time. They are trying to balance exploration, so that you have to work for your meal. Same should go for transportation. If something is FAR, it should take LONG to go there, not 10 seconds because you spammed launchers

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if you have a way to almost teleport across the map, then distance is no longer a thing and we can just have small map with all resources near

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and again, this is just my opinion

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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right but then you're in the middle of nowhere, you still need to do the regular walk of shame back

bleak coral Oct 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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I can see that, but I just don't agree 🤷‍♂️

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 3:03 PM

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I think your logic applies to belt launchers, but not necessarily to hypertube cannons

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belt launchers are a 5 sec setup

wind spade Oct 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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why not take the same hypertube back?

sand garnet Oct 17, 2020, 3:04 PM

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hypertube cannons are not