No, a funny buffer setup
#math-and-meta
oblique hollow
Ive yet to figure out if at some point it will reach 100 again but so far it has been a constant 20% less flow
You can do so much stuff with just a Buffer, junctions, a few pipes and few pumps
I love building these circuits
glacial hemlock
I wish to build multiple floor factory based on this.... how should I start with?!? hmm......... not really used to build in 3d, now it is time for training.
oblique hollow
i would say: lower floors just the constructors and smelters, higher floors the assemblers
cedar mica
It depends on how you get the resources in and out. Top to bottom, can work just as well
Lets you plan without a spread sheet, by placing the end machines first, then working back/up, from that
oblique hollow
remember when i talked about the supposed throttle below? i finally found out what it really is: A fixed flow Accumulator.
When the buffers are "charging", output is barely 80 - 100 m³/min. when full, output is input + 10 - 15%.
The real fun begins when you disconnect the input:
The buffers empty at nearly always 100 m³/min.
it reminds me a lot of an electric capacitor
oblique hollow
i think theres an online tool for that
wraith siren
URL Dm?
surreal kettle
@glacial hemlock I am actually building a whole facility dedicated for Space elevator parts in 3d
@wraith siren https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator or go to Satisfactory wiki page and search for tools you get a whole lot of links for diffrent kind of online tools
wraith siren
Thxs
glacial hemlock
dedicated chains for space elevator parts? that must be hard!
my approach for pre-tier4 is to prepare sufficient ingredient for the next-tier production, so when new items are unlocked I just extend the line down to produce another item.
swift ice
@glacial hemlock I am actually building a whole facility dedicated for Space elevator parts in 3d
@surreal kettle why... you dont need any space elevator stuff after you are done with unlocking tier 7-8... (so far)
I do want a way to get new stuff that uses those parts tho its not implemented yet
surreal kettle
Building in "3d" makes the expandable option so much easier. 1st floor energy, 2nd Smelters, 3rd Constructors etc on the very top the Space elevator so far the plan
swift ice
not that "easier" for liquids 😦
my 72 oil generator setup needs to be multiplied 8 more times but hey atleast I chose a spot where I can do all in water-level 😄
idk why but even after getting 100 000mw energy, putting a pump that takes 4 energy looks like a total waste in my eyes 😅
wraith siren
@surreal kettle could i browse peoples graphs?
swift ice
if they share their graphs with you then yes 😄 @wraith siren
wraith siren
👀
oblique hollow
be happy they only use 4 MW instead of 14 or more
though having the same power usage as a constructor is a bit strong
maybe 2 MW would be more accurate
wraith siren
gt be graphs online that we can look at for examples for Machin builds. im looking it up
surreal kettle
@wraith siren google for Satisfactory Blueprints
eventually you'll find some neat Factory layouts, like Hunter Paramore's iron plates factory and such
oh and you can also check the screenshots thread fór some ideas
wraith siren
oh nice
fierce ruin
this channel has been pretty quiet. nobody actually playing satisfactory just complaining about not getting it for free
glacial hemlock
nah just buy the 2nd copy then
oblique hollow
im busy testing stuff
but i will upload something soon
There, finally done updating. @glacial hemlock
glacial hemlock
dola?
glacial hemlock
yea saw it.
oblique hollow
until any further updates to the game, these are final
glacial hemlock
How about uploading them to the pipe, buffer and pump pages, you can try them out
you can click 'edit source' to see how to insert image from the wiki
oblique hollow
alright
im thinking about putting Part 2 on the buffer page, part 1 on the pump page and part 3 on the pipeline page
fierce ruin
the steam people havent discovered this channel yet, its still a safe haven
oblique hollow
they dont care about math
fierce ruin
they only care about hating epic
devout tapir
Im new to working out effeciency, if a constructor making plates can make 6/s and a smelter can make 2/s does that mean for peak efficiency i need to run 3 smelters per constructor?
empty hemlock
yes
devout tapir
dang, ok so if i have 6 iron deposits i can make 2 things at a time?
oblique hollow
by deposits, do you mean nodes?
summer field
Same difference.
fierce ruin
deposits are the small ones with 20-50
summer field
Can make a lot more than two things at once, all depends how many you want to make of them per minute.
fierce ruin
nodes are the ones you place a miner on and can suck resources from forever
summer field
Clusters are the ones all over the place you can only mine from manually, for a limited amount until they're gone.
lethal yarrow
@oblique hollow Would you be so kind as to post a higher resolution of your infographics?
fierce ruin
i thought they were called deposits
oblique hollow
it is high, just open the original. discord compresses stuff
empty hemlock
deposits are the handmining ones that disappear
oblique hollow
Click on the picture and on the bottom left it will show: "Display Original" or something
lethal yarrow
Yeah, its terribly small, doesnt scale up. Got a PNG version?
glacial hemlock
@devout tapir most maths prior to tier 3 can be done by looking at the machine UI and work it out on hands, then experiment it by looking at the mahcine UI, its progress bar, or efficiency stats whether it is 100% or not. For complex stuff you may check wiki or other online calculators, but calculators spoil the fun of the early game
oblique hollow
@lethal yarrow that IS a png
lethal yarrow
using open original link:
fierce ruin
i can read that fine
oblique hollow
alright, ill make a 250% scaled up version then or something
lethal yarrow
nope, using chrome on desktop
oblique hollow
wait i forgot: It is so big you can zoom in
lethal yarrow
but really like the infographic
lethal yarrow
and that is zoomed lol... damn slowmode
glacial hemlock
you have to click the image, then click 'open original' which pops out a new window. then click once to zoom in (not direct zoom with browser)
you should be able to see a magnifier icon
oblique hollow
Dimension: 1618 x 2300
lethal yarrow
Ill just save it then. wonder why its doing this.
glacial hemlock
perhaps it has to do with some custom scaling based on your PC preferences
oblique hollow
3.7 Megapixels. Surely NOT crappy
glacial hemlock
haha, you can further improve it with a vector image. jk
oblique hollow
i could make a 1000% zoom but thats unreadable
glacial hemlock
that will simply strain the bandwidth of wiki and anyone else.
oblique hollow
430%
they get absurdly big really fast
so 200% zoom is enough
right im sorry but i dont really know where to insert them on the respective pages. they are all uploaded to the wiki but im no editing expert
@glacial hemlock
oblique hollow
aaah
glacial hemlock
you want to try again?
oblique hollow
okay
glacial hemlock
behind File: there should be no space bar
oblique hollow
yep, no worries
glacial hemlock
if you not sure if your format is correct, click 'preview' before 'save changes'
oblique hollow
alright, Pump page done, onto the next 2
lethal yarrow
Awesome job yall, working great on the wiki!
oblique hollow
alright, all 3 are done now
lethal yarrow
sweet. I had just gotten into more complex pipe so this was great timing
oblique hollow
feel free to tell me how these feel to read, and if they are written and pictured clear
lethal yarrow
As soon as it updates for me, ill take a look.
spiral anvil
Would it be wiser to place a fluid elevator at the extraction nodes (for oil) or closer to my refinery chains?
oblique hollow
Fluid Elevator?
fierce ruin
pump?
oblique hollow
if you mean a crap ton of pumps, that doesnt matter
spiral anvil
Basically as opposed to pumps, you have packaging refineries at level with the extractors and a massive conveyor elevator going up way above your factory height where the fluid is unpacked at the top
oblique hollow
that is incredibly ineffective
spiral anvil
how so?
oblique hollow
Power Usage and Time
It takes refineries so long to package and unpackage liquids
spiral anvil
I mean, i have 36 in paralell
oblique hollow
Flow Rate Output?
oblique hollow
uh, 50 m³/min or?
round zinc
Refineries use power, though.
spiral anvil
yes but 36 refineries should be less than the millions of pumps
round zinc
rather than do it that way, it'd be more efficient to just put the fluid in a train.
spiral anvil
50m³/sec
oblique hollow
Millions? how much do you need to go up
oblique hollow
nonono, Not horizontal, Verticallity
spiral anvil
give me a sec
oblique hollow
If you just go up high above you wont need to go down again
until youre at your destination
spiral anvil
from the top of the pink tree area about 300m
oblique hollow
equals 13 Pumps per pipeline, each spaces about 21 meters to the next
spiral anvil
ok
oblique hollow
also 50m³/min? did you combine it all into single pipes?
oblique hollow
how many pipes do you need to run across the map?
oblique hollow
Did you max the pipes out at 300m^3 /min
spiral anvil
now they are
oblique hollow
Alright
spiral anvil
I might change it over to trains once i get them
oblique hollow
13 pumps for a single line means 53 MW, times 24 thats about 1272 MW
spiral anvil
yeah manageable
oblique hollow
And you think you could beat that with packaging and unpackaging refineries?
spiral anvil
yeah at 30mw
30*36 = 1080MW
and it helps because if my backup grid fails then there is still oil going in
oblique hollow
Why 36 refineries only though
I thought you had 6 lines per factory, each line 300m^3/min
spiral anvil
I plan to add more
oblique hollow
For just 300 m^3 per minute you need 15 refineries
glacial hemlock
A normal oil product with max flow will require 300MW just to pack and unpack. That is equivalent to 3km head lift
spiral anvil
so 152430=10800MW
spiral anvil
oh ok
yeah and then having an extra line going up to make plastic>fuel to power the emergency triple backup will keep fuel flowing eternally
oblique hollow
Why not just have the fuel generators at the source
And span a few kilometers of power cables
spiral anvil
good point
glacial hemlock
😂
oblique hollow
Once you get trains, they could replace those lines
spiral anvil
yeah
oblique hollow
Since rails conduct electricity
spiral anvil
im kind of crutching for trains
oblique hollow
They are real good
spiral anvil
back in update 2 i had a massive train thing going on
oblique hollow
Also they can do fluid transporta without packaging
round zinc
honestly, I'm having trouble with use cases for trains
oblique hollow
Long distance
spiral anvil
The only problem is the stage they come in the game is after you have already solved the distance problem
round zinc
I mean... long distance and mass amounts?
oblique hollow
Yes
Like, Massive distances and Ammounts or also short distances and massive ammounts
spiral anvil
yeah
oblique hollow
Conveyors really cant beat that
pine wedge
If a person starts using nuclear power doesn't the entire planet fill with nuke waste?
Like you run out of room at some point
round zinc
I guess when you start needing to move 5 digits of items
spiral anvil
yeah at 150km/hr across the 30km^2 world they obliterate even the best setups
oblique hollow
No just one corner of the map
spiral anvil
or ungodly quantities of cab;e
oblique hollow
You would need years to cover it all
Actually thousands of items is already a borderline case for trains
spiral anvil
borderline not worth it or tantamount?
oblique hollow
In my opinion if it is 1 km or more, use a train
And even then 500 m of conveyors are annoying
spiral anvil
yeah
pine wedge
My first factory had a 2km conveyer/htube run
spiral anvil
like setting up oil in the green grassy starter area
oblique hollow
Just anything above a few hundred meters calls for either trucks or trains
pine wedge
Precisely
spiral anvil
trucks are ab bit annoying to me
oblique hollow
Yea Grass Hills and Oil Lake are definitely a train case
spiral anvil
except for the uranium spiral caves
oblique hollow
Why
spiral anvil
no for the trucks. they are awesome at the uranium spiral cave, I had them on ramps flying over eachother, it was beautiful and efficient
oblique hollow
Btw did you know the Factory Cart has a single inventory slot and can dock at a truck station
glacial hemlock
If you know how to let the train clip through the terrain, then the railway can be built straight thru the mountain
spiral anvil
yeah
oblique hollow
Subway systems 
glacial hemlock
Railway also clip through factories
empty hemlock
because jace and snutt were really amused that subway giftcards are a valid payment method on epic in some regions
oblique hollow
Oh lmao ok 
glacial hemlock
You won't know why the bots react.
oblique hollow
Too bad you cant combine all key words and have dyno react to them all
spiral anvil
damn
My orthodontist gives out free subway cards and i have like 50 of them. i could buy all of epic games
oblique hollow
Try it 
spiral anvil
im going to
glacial hemlock
I claimed over 100 games on epic, most are free
spiral anvil
yeah
oblique hollow
This is true meta
spiral anvil
the real meta is how do i automate my ortho appointments so i get subway cards at 100% efficiency, do I use conveyor belts to my computer? do i batch scan them?
the meta of the meta of the meta
oblique hollow
Use pipes
spiral anvil
but how much power would the gift card melter take to melt and pump the cards?
oblique hollow
You can put it in the Awesome Sink to claim your free Cybertruck
oblique hollow
Of couse
spiral anvil
and then buy subway to automate card production
oblique hollow
Infinite money
spiral anvil
what if the whole point of the space elevator is to send resources back to earth to make subway gift cards
the meta is infinitely folding in on itself
oblique hollow
oblique hollow
So quiet. So peaceful. Truely a safe haven
spiral anvil
My house is breaking under the infinite folds of the meta weighing upon it
I just got trains. my computer board is glowing from the effort of computing my immense 16384 train system
paper yacht
trying not to goof up again
oblique hollow
As usual
paper yacht
Links for the new crowd to help with pipes collected from the last few months . Pump Do's Dont's
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688019376741416975/688020275559661578/0Auj4pBISAEBACQkAICAEhIASEgBAQGZMMCAEhIASEgBAQAkJACAgBISAEgEBkbFAF2fFAJCQAgIASEgBISAEBACQkAIiIxJBoSA.png
8 coal gen setup
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688019376741416975/688020336692035595/Satisflowing.png
13 Coal Gen Set up ( My Favorite Flow I found not mine )
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688019376741416975/688020335949512792/Examplecoalwatersetup.png
Coal Breakdown Chart
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688019376741416975/688020275832553513/image0.jpg
How to Use Pumps
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688019376741416975/688020275107069952/pumps.png
This is in German turn on YouTube subtitles of desired language https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/688019376741416975/688020275107069952/pumps.png
@deft lichen thanks for the lesson hehe
oblique hollow
@paper yacht actually, i uploaded my Infographs to the Wiki
You can point to the Pipeline pages there too now
paper yacht
@oblique hollow did not know who's they were sorry mate
oblique hollow
Is ok
That one was one of the very first pictures
Since then a lot of stuff got updated
paper yacht
the black and white
oblique hollow
Yep
paper yacht
gotcha that first link saved me from leaving the game all together
oblique hollow
There is now 3 Infographs. One for Pumps, one for Buffers and one for sample builds (Pipeline Page)
All on the respective wiki page
Also, glad i could help back then!
paper yacht
Did not think anyone was actually active on edits there
oblique hollow
I recently had the time to test and experiment fluid stuff again, and i made a few discoveries
So kwjcool321 suggested i should edit those pages
paper yacht
Where did you stuff these i must be blind i dont see them
oblique hollow
Pipeline Pump page bottom is the Pump Graph
paper yacht
@oblique hollow good god no wonder, I've never looked up pumps in wiki
oblique hollow
Yeah they are still stubby
pine wedge
RE: Subway Cards / "How many" y'all crack me up
upbeat tide
https://steamcommunity.com/app/526870/discussions/0/2299597907736385453/
Not really math, but not sure where else to link this.
Made a beginners tips guide on the Steam forum. If you want to contribute, feel free.
wind spade
the only downside is that you have to figure out the balance ratio and it can use more room.
well, also it's hard to expand and can't work with different machine speeds
wind spade
well at least for me the "hard to expand" is much more important than "you need to figure out the ratio"
upbeat tide
Hard to expand, perfect wordage. Not too complex and straight to the point.
And done
Also added easy to expand to manifold
Anyway ill probably migrate it into a proper guide posting soonish. SF steam forum is kinda...crowded
wind spade
steam forums suck
upbeat tide
Yea, trial run, expected result. Move it to the guides section.
pulsar saddle
if you overclock a machine does the power consumption also increased based on its OC percentage?
pulsar saddle
because a constructor usage is 4 MV so if OC to 150 it supposed to be 6 MV but it show 7.7 MV im confused
pulsar saddle
how do you count them then?
wind spade
[power consumption] * ([oc] / 100) ^ 1.6
pulsar saddle
it does not grow linearly
@wind spade but the product and input grows linearly only the power consumption does not
wind spade
yeah, that's how it's supposed to be. Overclocking is not power efficient
pulsar saddle
so Overclocking the coal gen is not a wise decision huh
upbeat tide
The same is true for underclocking, but in reverse.
If you set to 50% UC, you use less power than you expect
wind spade
generators have a different formula
but even that is not really worth
it's just best to OC just miners as those are limited in number
pulsar saddle
im trying to do this so i can create a factory where in each floor creates different Tier of item but and when i want to know how much power i need then i bump in to problems
upbeat tide
I only OC miners, oil extractors, and sometimes water extractors.
I never OC construction buildings, sometimes UC tho.
I also never OC power gens
wind spade
instead of 200% OC constructor, go for 2x 100%
pulsar saddle
im just listing all my equipment for now and get the general numbers so i can re build my factory after i tare all this down
upbeat tide
Or 4x 50% if you want. More machines, more complex setup, less power
pulsar saddle
at my current factory i just optimize so the output of a machine matches the input of the next machine and i realized its just too much work i rather produce all the item i need to a storage and then each machine needs them can take from that and that is why i listed them so i can know how exp how much iron ingot my factory needs so i can build 25% more than what i use for buffer
upbeat tide
Certain production lines are impossible to balance that way. 🙂 Or very inefficient
pulsar saddle
Certain production lines are impossible to balance that way. 🙂 Or very inefficient
@upbeat tide i have 1 floor just for load balancing and its a lot of hustle hahaha so time to change my approach
upbeat tide
Manifold >>>>>>> balancing
pulsar saddle
Manifold >>>>>>> balancing
@upbeat tide more like bunch of splitter and merger combined with snake conveyors
hot cargo
Heard there may be saved game fixers in here.... I have a save that spawns me in the hub with no inventory each time i boot it.
upbeat tide
find your clone and proceed to cleanse yourself
maiden crown
got like 8 hdds with the new recipes (currently researching), while it's exciting, I'm a bit scared that i'll have to rebuild my base again
fierce ruin
im trying to do this so i can create a factory where in each floor creates different Tier of item but and when i want to know how much power i need then i bump in to problems
@pulsar saddle its yield btw lol
in your chart
hot cargo
cool
safe badger
@pulsar saddle i see i'm not the only 1 making spreadsheets 😉
if you want you can import the data table from mine if you want to list everything... https://www.dropbox.com/s/oeys0ogjh9tsxis/Satisfactory Calc Advanced.xlsx?dl=0
pulsar saddle
wow nice sheets there
safe badger
did everything via dropdown selectable menu's 😉
this good for simple use or calculating prediction & just learning how all the math works (inspecting the formulas) for those who ask the question how everything is calculated..
glacial hemlock
wow the 'dropped items' in satisfactory interactive map is so sick. Very useful for speedrun!
safe badger
so is the Pak Utility mod, clear the the games objectives in a few seconds with the unlock all command 😉 (not fun)
fleet rose
@pulsar stratus o7
pulsar stratus
Yo @fleet rose
fleet rose
Great work on the tool here as always 😃
fleet rose
lol
upbeat tide
As a recovering Elite player, I have no idea what your talkin about 😄
@pulsar stratus
devout tapir
epic!
stuck burrow
I'm not sure how to optimize my oil production
I want to use the recycled rubber and plastic, but also make some turbofuel from it - but not sure how to divide the fuel between all these
upbeat tide
Its easier to build dedicated systems, and not link power and resource production.
glacial hemlock
it is possible. Just change the ratio of the building recipes
either way, you will need 84 refineries
trim cipher
Im looking for optimal quantity of production items for each tier
Ex: 10 frames/minute
tiny pagoda
@trim cipher If you didnt knew this site just type in the information choose amount of items you wanna produce and you should be good to go https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/production-planner
trim cipher
I knew about it, im just not what number I should be aiming at
craggy widget
how to make smart planting??
tiny pagoda
reinforced plates and rotors in assembler @craggy widget
craggy widget
so i can´t put in a normal craft bench??
tiny pagoda
nah it would be too easy
craggy widget
fuck that expensive to make 😭
tiny pagoda
you will do it i believe in you
astral pine
i mean, you could just just hand feed an assembler lmao
it turns it into a one item craft bench
no brain required
worldly mauve
Just just the crafting bench for everything, no constructor run! XD
bitter coral
Oh lord
No constructor run would be awful
worldly mauve
Or very zen XD
fierce ruin
ive already tried handcraft
fresh elm
Getting to t7 without belts would be doable as long as pipes are okay
Otherwise you are stuck in oil
fierce ruin
well
a resource sink and you buy all the oil stuff
it would be really difficult but possible
fierce ruin
its not automating anything though
fresh elm
He just said no bekt
fierce ruin
nah
fresh elm
Like a couple dozen tops
fierce ruin
just go crash site hunting, wouldnt be that difficult
i managed to get like 12 or 20 or something coupons from one crash site
fresh elm
You'd have to buy alclad sheets
You might get lucky with enough computers and heat sinks
Tom did a test yesterday - the quantities are the drop sites are random
fierce ruin
i found a pod that had the exact same in 2 separate games
fierce ruin
and it had the 9 modular frames right next to the pod
fresh elm
I was wrong before
If you look in #screenshots from yesterday for my name he tagged me
(with the results)
fresh elm
Yeah that is the big one
So for the challenge you're allowed 1 assembler and 1 manufacturer max and they can only make elevator parts?
To make it reasonable?
fresh elm
Oh yes I assumed we couldn't use a belt for it
fierce ruin
having 2 players would make it interesting
fresh elm
And I think I would be okay with just saying you can only power it with leaves and the two burners on the hub
fierce ruin
yes
fresh elm
And you don't have to feed 1 at a time
fierce ruin
although i think manufacturers need 50MW
fresh elm
Oh yeah they didn't get bumped like the other burners
fierce ruin
yeah
fresh elm
Okay so - 1 power pole, 1 assembler 1 manufacturer
fierce ruin
yes
fierce ruin
and hub
fresh elm
1 power pole is good too
fierce ruin
i will restart this challenge tomorrow
fresh elm
It means you can't have the assembler and the manuf going at same time
fierce ruin
yeah
fresh elm
If you need the extra biomass burner
fresh elm
I'm okay with using shards maybe on any of them
fierce ruin
yeah i think thats ok
fresh elm
It doesn't scale your power linearly and you are using leaves
So that is okay to me
No biomass only leaves?
fierce ruin
only leaves
fresh elm
Or is crafting fuel okay
fierce ruin
although if you can handmake it its ok i guess
fierce ruin
not for transporting resources, only players
unless the player moves it to the truck by hand
fierce ruin
foundations dont automate anything so they are fine
fresh elm
Just making sure I understand the rules :)
fierce ruin
now i need to try and get other people to join so it speeds up
stark smelt
Iron alloy still the best iron production untill you get to refineries?
upbeat tide
Its meh, unless you have unused copper anyway
stark smelt
eh, im in that sweet northern spot with 2x copper 4x itron. All pure. Thinking what i need to start with
stark smelt
is there any up-to-date tools to compare alternative recipes? looks like greeny.dev still updating
wind spade
comparing alt recipes is way harder in U3 than it was before
I didn't yet make any attempt to do it and probably won't do in near future (as I'm super busy fixing stuff in my U3 calculator which went live a few hours back)
fierce ruin
if the assembler makes 2 parts per min and im making 50 plates, how long would that take?
rancid lark
(50 / 2) minutes
hybrid schooner
25/min or 5/12 seconds.
rancid lark
@hybrid schooner don't think you understood his question correctly
rancid lark
aye
hybrid schooner
🙃
round zinc
it is okay to need a calculator (I mean, we'll judge, but only a little), but you should probably jot down the problem on some scratch paper - getting into the habit will make it way easier later when you have to balance things that have 4 ingredients, each of which takes one of 8 things
bitter coral
Heavy modular frames and computers are big ones for that step, they take quite a few resources
fierce ruin
im asuming if you have enough input for consumption, you can run fuel down one line and just use junctions?
upbeat tide
Yup, just like a manifold. Same principle in general
fierce ruin
should i put a 400 buffer at the end of the line to send extra back just in case?
like the generators are going to need 300 for all of them and i have 300/min going down the main line using junctions for every 2 generators - i guess when i turn everything on ill find out if they are getting fed !
upbeat tide
Id put the buffer before the line gets to the gens. If you want to see a large scale example, look at #screenshots . I recently posted a pic of my fuel gen city
fierce ruin
i have 2 huge buffers filled with fuel before they go out to that main line
to feed generators
so youre right i prob dont need an overfill tiny guy at the end
this is kinda what im talking about with the main fuel line in the center
upbeat tide
Yup, basiclly my setup. You can bring the fuel gen rows closer together if you want tho
fierce ruin
at the start theres 2 huge buffers filled with turbofuel
yeah i probably should have tbh but im going weird pillars things for the power lines
upbeat tide
I use a one foundation spacer in between mine and I know it can be alot closer than that too
fierce ruin
if they aren't getting fuel ill probably just move everything in a whole tile
upbeat tide
Power up the first two, then the next, and next in series
Easier to observe behavior
fierce ruin
that's literally what i was going to do because i need the power once i activate the system that creates the turbofuel..haha
i just wanted to finish this project so i dont have to worry about power and just tear my older stuff down to switch to all those new juicy alternate recipes
cobalt rover
hey guys is the Nuclear Power Spreadsheet from https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Nuclear_Power_Plant up to date and the one most efficient way to plan out nuclear power?
fierce ruin
so for a current project....i am actually in need of more copper then there are nodes on the map....i suppose i could drop 3 bugs in each copper miner...tho i am not sure if that would be enough...i guess...i am forced to use a mod that will give me maxed out miner vs belt options ?
fierce ruin
nvm, i am retarded, alternate recipes, rip rip rip, easy peasy solution
lament frost
arent bugs best used in miners/extractors? its the only real limiting factor
glacial hemlock
@cobalt rover the spreadsheet is uploaded by a user, we have not verified the calculations. It is good if you cross-check it with the satisfactory online calculator.
@fierce ruin there are enough bugs (called power slugs) for you to overclock all the miners on the map.
lone yoke
Anyone here able to confirm how many Fuel generators I can run on a full pipe of turbo fuel?
glacial hemlock
Divide 300 by 4.5
dull spindle
Hey ! I have 240 coal & 240 iron for steel, so i need 5.333 foundry, so 5 and i can have a little bit too much, but how can i split in 5 ?
dull spindle
thanks 😄
upbeat tide
If you have underclocking unlocked, build a 6th and set to 33%
And I prefer manifold design for that kind of stuff
dull spindle
I just think about that, but i can just set a conveyor with splitter in front of each foundery, since there is more than what it needs, all the extra will go at the end and i can get them with a smart separator ?
Or yeah 33% for the 6th, thanks 😄
upbeat tide
Source - S - S - S
| | |
X X X
Basics of manifold design
S is splitter, X is ehatever your feeding
upbeat tide
I mean you can balance if you want, play with ratio splittjng, but manifolds scale easily
dull spindle
Is = intelligent splitter
upbeat tide
If your using 100% of your input, overflow splitting isnt really needed, unless you want to anyway
dull spindle
Yep ! Thanks for the help 😄
upbeat tide
Np
fierce ruin
@glacial hemlock i used 333 batteries from the bugs in my 111 manufactures....i am trying not to use them since well...harvesting them is time consuming and in the long run limited ;P
upbeat tide
I would recommend build more manufacturers instead of OC them
that 111 manufacturers is pulling a power bill closer to 400 worth
fierce ruin
111 manufactures, with 3 bats and the alternate recipe crank out just above 780 Turbo motors a minute. which is the max the sink can swallow currently
and yes, already regretting ever starting this mad endgoal idea thingy
upbeat tide
I dont mind mods, but ones that add resources like that, to me is not fun. I dont mind them for testing tho, but thats it
fierce ruin
yea i am so far staying away from mods, this sarted with not enough copper nodes....but there are 2 alternative recipes based on iron and caterium for the product i need....so that should be enough hopefully, in any case, thx for those that helped thinking a bit ❤️
glacial hemlock
@fierce ruin they are called power shards. Battery is another item in the Tier 7
333 is a lot, great job for collecting so much.
fierce ruin
heh tired, but thx, took me a while and alot of interactive map abuse to find em
hybrid schooner
Is there an early game optimal setup for rods, plates, screws, and heavy plates? I currently have one miner -> one smelter -> one constructer etc but I noticed a backup of iron.
bitter coral
how much does the miner output/min?
hybrid schooner
The usual amount? I'm not in the game atm but it's on a normal node without overclock upgrades.
bitter coral
aight
You'll want 2 smelters, outputting 60/min means feeding two 30/min smelters will maximize the ore potential
From there, it gets a little more nitty gritty
iron plates can take an entire smelter of their own to be optimal, 30 ingot/min to make 20 plate/min, I'd feed those into storage for later use
rods are 15 ingot/min for 15 rod/min, so you'll want to split the other smelter into 2 constructors, each doing rods to optimize them
From there, I'd build an entirely separate set of miners, smelters, and constructors for reinforced iron plates. They'll take 30/plates per minute to work optimally, and since constructors output only 20/min for 30/min ingots, you're gonna want more than one. I havent memorized the exact numbers, but taking a look at what the final assembler needs (30 iron plate/min and 60 screw/min) and working backwards is the best way to do it imo
Reinforced Iron Plates were the Biggest Bitch™️ for me in early game, same with modular frames, but learning the process of optimizing them is important as it's used so much more down the road
faint citrus
ty
hybrid schooner
@bitter coral That's a lot, thanks! I'll make sure to do that once I get home!
bitter coral
👍
glacial hemlock
@fierce ruin I am not sure if that is the correct way to use conveyor belts, but that looks cool
worthy meteor
I haven't even started playing, yet seeing all of these are just mind blowing
magic quarry
Is it the factorio way of doing belts??????
glacial hemlock
even factorio don't do 1:1 belts
magic quarry
He he he
daring horizon
wind spade
@fierce ruin why not just use a manifold?
--S--S--S--S--S--S--S--S
| | | | | | | |
G G G G G G G G
S = splitter
G = generator
hybrid schooner
I think then the first has more in it than the rest.
If you have 120 and put it in a splitter, you get 60 & 60. Next splitter becomes 30 & 30. Next is 15 & 15. Etc
wind spade
sure, but the first gen has 60 and only needs 15, so the 45 will eventually flow the other way when it's inventory gets full
after a while, it will work the same way, but will be much more cleaner and easier to expand
hybrid schooner
But isn't flowing back and forth over and over less efficient?
wind spade
it's not
hybrid schooner
If it flows back, it'll split again
wind spade
both builds are 100% efficient
you have 120 items input, there's no way to have less output 😉
hybrid schooner
But like. That 120 gets split so many times that it takes forever to cycle around the system
wind spade
let's see the exact number
hybrid schooner
It's much slower to go back and forth rather than to split evenly from the start
wind spade
will take 30 minutes to work at 100% (only 10 minutes for 6 out of 8 to work at 100%)
you can easily get around this if you prefill the gens with coal
not to mention that generators usually don't use full 15/min, because that would mean you're using 100% of the power they can generate, which almost never happens
grim shadow
@wind spade for my brain that needs to see it in action, do you have any top-down pics of a manifold system setup?
wind spade
manifold is just better in almost every way (apart from the startup time, which again can be evaded by prefilling)
wind spade
@grim shadow I don't, sorry. But it's super easy to understand. If a machine gets more items than it can process, it'll start filling. When it's full (1 stack), the belt will stop moving and the splitter would bring more items to the other belt
it's a technique used by majority of players here and nobody had any issues with it yet 😉
fierce ruin
Constructor Split Constructor
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Constructor Split Constructor
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Constructor Split Constructor
not perfect but
grim shadow
Yeah that makes sense. I’ll go for that in the future. Thanks 🙏🏼
wind spade
C C C C C
| | | | |
--S--S--S--S--S
| | | | |
C C C C C
a bit better "image" 😄
you can also use both extra outputs as A.D.A. suggested 😉 but I like to keep it just on one side, because then it's easier to connect another machine to it (you expand only in one direction)
fierce ruin
oh it appeared fine on my phone
wind spade
but yeah, it's the same as mine
I'm just using the code block to align them perfectly 😛
fierce ruin
fierce ruin
but yours is cleaner yes
ASCII art to describe/show designs is a factorio tradition that we shall carry on
along with "the solution is always to shove in more raw material"
wind spade
hm, what if your issue is that you don't have any more raw material? 😛
fierce ruin
build a train to where there's more raw material duh
there is like 400 usable nodes
usable meaning not sam ore
wind spade
but the map is limited. You can be in a situation that there's no more nodes for your material
fierce ruin
my save's like 200 hours and I'm using maybe 10% of the nodes, like sure hypothetically the world is finite and there's only so many nodes but it'd take me like 1000 hours to do so and at that point I got my money's worth clearly 😛
fierce ruin
your pc would probably cripple before you fully capatalize every node
west gale
Isn't Kibitz trying to get every single node used?
wind spade
with his inefficient factory it wouldn't be as hard
torpid robin
you will use up the caterium and quartz before anything else. what you gonna make then to use the rest. just a shit load of HMF
rancid lark
even just for caterium there's way more than you probably need. here's some numbers I posted earlier
fierce ruin
is pure caterium a 1:2 instead of 1:3?
torpid robin
depends what alts you are using and what numbers you are going for
adn yea i beleive it is.
the numbers of quickwire needed. one you start getting up into like the 100+ TM line is insane
round zinc
yeah, but if you're making 100 turbo motors a minute, you're just posing
fierce ruin
or your trying to get the golden nut
torpid robin
its all theoretical. im just saying thats what you run out of 1st . and yea i have seen plenty of people say thats what they are working towards. just to farm those nuts lol
its also a good way to gte more out of the game. gotta whole lotta play time to get to that lol
upbeat tide
Combining pure caterium ingot and fused quickwire is a really powerful combo
torpid robin
yea it is. one of the problems with that is too though. again just for the high numbers is you start to use alot of the copper on the map too. as you need alot for the quickwire. and the amount of copper sheets needed at that point is stupidly high
upbeat tide
True
Pure copper, pure caterium, fused quickwire, and steamed copper sheets, muy muy combo
torpid robin
pretty much. i have seen people say steam sheets is a waste of time. i dont think they have looked at big numbers. stuff doing it without that lol
west gale
I'm making regular wire out of Caterium with the 120 wire/minute recipe in contstructors. Saves on a ton of copper (and space)
takes 6.5 constructors to fill a mk5 conveyor with wire
upbeat tide
Caterium wire is eeh tho
fierce ruin
what is quickwire actually used for?
upbeat tide
If you want regular wire just use alot of iron wire
west gale
computers use quickwire
fierce ruin
other than ai limiters and high speed connectors
upbeat tide
Supercomputers, turbomotors, etc
fierce ruin
not the main recipe @west gale
west gale
ah
fierce ruin
main recipe i think uses circuit board, plastic, wire and screws?
oblique hollow
Most importantly: Power poles mk 2
torpid robin
its when you get into the alts
its caterium computer, high speed connectors,and ai limiters
oblique hollow
Also Iodine Filters
fierce ruin
you ever think about how pregnant women existing means there's more skeletons than people?
hybrid schooner
upbeat tide
Dont make me poke FICSIT HR...
warm wren
Can you array with smart/prog splitters 
Say I was using assemblers, two parts on the same belt.
cloud lake
hmmmmmm. if you input parts into the same port, it wont sort in the machine. youd need smart splits at the machine to sort into the 2 or more slots on say the assembler or manufacturer.
torpid robin
Idunno why you would . Never mix belts . Causes more problems than it’s worth
warm wren
It's a curiosity more than anything else I just want to know if it could work. Like my old mixed belt that had a merger and splitter system to perfectly split up parts to an array. It grew wildly more impractical the larger the array got, but setting it up was interesting.
fierce ruin
could someone help me with some ideas for how to clean up my factory? Its a big mess rn and i wanna make it alittle more efficient since i need to mass produce rotors and stuff
reef spruce
I only mix belts if they're going into the same storage unit
round zinc
M1keyy, may I make a heretical suggestion?
don't! Just leave it and make the new rotor factory in a nearby location.
that way you'll at least have your current production going the whole time. I have the first few assemblers I placed when I first started still going, still inefficiently filling cans of iron plates, rods, and screws
fierce ruin
u will need the screws and rods for general use so its advised to use new nodes
yea i have 3 iron nodes specifically for rotors but its pretty slow
your in grasslands?
yes
the factory has been working and doing what it needs to do for the most part, but id prefer it to be more pleasing on the eyes haha
also none of my resources are pure so i might wanna go else where to find pure nodes
stark smelt
is ths graph up to date?
glacial hemlock
yes
I added more graph involving only single end product to the pages to improve clarity.
oblique hollow
Where even do you save them
ornate yew
Hey does somebody have an excel with all the material needs for constructors, assembler and manufacturer and the different recipes ?
wind spade
oblique hollow
@glacial hemlock oh i see. Same as me with my Graphs 
ornate yew
https://satisfactorytools.com/
@wind spade Thanks 🙂
glacial hemlock
@ornate yew or at the wiki.
warm wren
Yes this nonsense works perfect It's just for a test, there are far better ways to do it
It's two parts on a single line using a convoluted set of smarts and mergers, it completely fills the first assembler before it even starts filling the second one, ect ect until the last one is full.
glacial hemlock
I thought the normal splitters can also perform about the same?
fierce ruin
they can't
they would do 1 for the first, then the second, then first again, then third, then first, then second, then first, then third, then second and so on
or something roughly like that
wind spade
the setup will work the same with or without overflow settings
warm wren
It's just for funzies It's on an old build that I just experiment on. "Would that work? Let me try it on the old build..."
glacial hemlock
if your CPU can support them...
upbeat tide
Today I plan to wrap up my turbofuel expansion... with the deployment of 224 fuel gens...
Gonna have 592 by the time im done
modern turtle
does anyone have some efficient graphs for Alclad Aluminum Sheet
austere zinc
does anyone have a graph for power plant ? i'm trying it with 16 coal generators and 6 water extractor
oblique hollow
will work
wind spade
should work
oblique hollow
3 to 8 is the genral stat ratio, any multiple of that will work too
also, mind that you will not consume as much if your Power demand is low
austere zinc
ah i see. no wonder i always seem to have overflow of water.
thanks man. so i can just do the same piping as in 3 for 8 and combine the two ?
oblique hollow
if you want you can build an Overflow Juntion to do something with the extra water while demand is low
austere zinc
noted.
oblique hollow
also yes, just build the 3 to 8 two times
you will need more than 1 pipe though
going from the extractors to the gens
oblique hollow
yea thats ok too i think
austere zinc
okay thanks. will do it now. cheers mate
oblique hollow
cheers
lethal yarrow
running 20 coal from 4 water pumps works just fine for me
upbeat tide
Has to be a oc
upbeat tide
Never build for low demand.
Always build for 100% demand
20 coal gens needs 900 water a min, so 3 OC’d to 250% would work
Would be less power cost to make 9 water extractors and UC them to 84% each
They make 100.2 a min at that UC
lethal yarrow
Its actually taking advantage of the 'sipping' mechanic that coal plants have. you don't have to have all demand at the same time.
oblique hollow
and what if you start using more power
lethal yarrow
water continues to use the sipping mechanic at full usage. tested with 10 at first. mechanic worked as expected. supplying 600m3/min using 2 pipes from the pumps and a buffer/sync uphill of the plants.
upbeat tide
600m3 is overkill for 10 gens to begin with. You only need 450 a min
lethal yarrow
its 20 on full run. test with half setup to begin.
oblique hollow
thing is that time is important. if it works for a while it might fail after even more time
upbeat tide
4 of those gens are gonna fail over time if you use 98%+ of the power made
lethal yarrow
time will tell, working up to the full power usage. hopefully bringing full usage tonight. expected is that it won't, on cycle 450m3/30s should be the max draw. With buffer and constant flow, it should support.
oblique hollow
Worked up to full power usage... But for how long did you test
upbeat tide
You must test AT full load or its pointless
oblique hollow
Also 1 minute test time isn't sufficient
indigo solstice
hey, bit of a noob question i guess, but... if a smelter outputs 30 ingots per minute and the constructor takes those 30 per minute, why do the ingots pile up inside the constructor over time?
shouldn't they be consumed at the exact same rate they come in?
empty hemlock
a few reasons:
you turned the smelter on first, so it had built up a bit of a stock
you are not outputting the constructor fast enough, so it's getting stuck
you put stuff manually in at the start
indigo solstice
ok but i just took out everything out of the constructor, but it still piles up? if the constructor is completely empty, shouldn't it not pile up?
empty hemlock
it should build up a small buffer as the machine will only run when it got enough in to fuly craft, but it shouldn't fill up unless you messed up your output
indigo solstice
a i think i got it... i had to "reset" (take out all buffers) all the way back to the miner
now its running through miner -> smelter -> constructur without bulding up
empty hemlock
yeah, if your smelter was at 100 in its output, then it'd fill up the constructor ;)
long perch
Best way to make a turbomotor farm?
I am having problems matching the rotors production rates
thin oak
X*y/z
glacial hemlock
@long perch I am writing a guide on the wiki, it is halfway done, but this should give you some insight https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Tutorial:How_to_play#Tier_7
glacial hemlock
if you are only referring to the production ratio, try this: https://daniel2013.github.io/satisfactory/calculator
tribal plover
Is this game 'smart?' Like if I were to put an assembler behind my main storage (Connected with each other) Would it put the items needed to craft on the conveyorbelt?
upbeat tide
I regret to inform you that FICSIT has not invested into SLYNET.
You can use smart/programmable splitters for filtering but thats as smart as it gets
tribal plover
Alright, thanks anyways 🙂
upbeat tide
You can make a smart main stiorage tho
wild magnet
whats the best way to load balance an 780 line of iron into smelters?
iron jolt
Just finished an encased ind. beam factory. 300 iron ore and 300 coal converts to 27 E.I. beams and 4.5 steel beams of overflow.
wet idol
Can anyone tell me why belt volume per minute goes for the first 3 tiers:
60, 120, 270
instead of:
60, 120, 240
??
bleak tusk
There are a lot of recipes that divide well into 270 (eg multiples of 45).
glacial hemlock
@wet idol well, a lot of things don't go with plan. So just accept it.
wet idol
Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Why break this trend to fit some recipes?
glacial hemlock
before this, it was 60, 120, 270 and 450 and 660.
round zinc
I gather it's to avoid having recipes limited by belt speed rather than assembler/constructor/manufacturer speed
because sometimes you get a little bit of a jam when mergers are in use
if the belts are a little bit faster than the recipes, then the jam clears and it's no big deal
but if you need to push 240/min through and your belt is 240/min, then ANY delay will result in something not getting fully fed
wet idol
So why isn't that logic applied to other belts?
round zinc
(shrug)
maybe it's just a way to reward you for having gone to the trouble of working up a new material production chain rather than just relying on double-stacking the old stuff?
wet idol
I submit the same question.
It's not consistent.
Maybe it was a typo and the person used the number pad.
round zinc
doubt it ;p
wet idol
That's the best explanation I've heard so far.
round zinc
could just be a game balance question.
wind spade
@wild magnet a manifold:
--S--S--S--S--S--S--S
| | | | | | |
X X X X X X X
thats a sin
wind spade
that's the best way to build factories imo. Most people use it
wild magnet
load balancing > overflow
wind spade
how so?
wild magnet
imo
wind spade
they both work the same way with same efficiency
wind spade
well, it's ofc up to you if you want to go with worse setup just because you like it more. Just saying that manifold is easier expandable, works with same efficiency, but also for multiple machine speeds, takes less space (usually) and is used by majority here 😉
fierce ruin
what is the equation of drag and acceleration for hyper tubes
glacial hemlock
🚀
wild magnet
well, that makes sense
fierce ruin
more like how far decreases how much speed
glacial hemlock
we usually don't use hypertube with default speed.
the default horizontal speed is about 80km/h (i guess) and if you enter a tube with higher speed it will quickly decay to that speed. The default speed is then modified by the gravity. This only applicable to long hypertubes
safe badger
didn't know this was in the game..
looks like the game has a built in calculator...
https://i.redd.it/bv3i11bser351.png (i wonder when they put this in...)
fresh elm
@safe badger I saw that for the first time on the dev stream ... last week? week before?
safe badger
just saw it on a reddit post & on youtube video... why don't they have a list of features of this game... i was using a mod to bring the calculator in.. looks like i wont need it anymore...
indigo solstice
is there a calculator for production chains that favors 100% production of the final product? both I used when I tell it to e.g. produce Rotors will use one assembler at like 36%, I'd rather have it at 100% and know how much of the upstream things i need for that
glacial hemlock
safe badger
there is also https://legorin.github.io/satisfactory-calculator/calc.html (a more up to date version from KirkMcDonald's version) <-- allows you to set the clocks speeds for each individual item
fresh elm
the in game calc is only for basic math
little fjord
Is there a production flow chart for every item in the game? Basically want a massive storage where all the items come to
I tried multiple calculators but after adding most of the items my browser or the website cant handle it anymore
https://i.imgur.com/ecOcTIl.png
I mean this website is awesome for little projects, but for massive projects it is to messy >.<
round zinc
Itz, you'll hit the point where that's simply not a good idea
glacial hemlock
you want every item to be displayed in a single production chart? That will be a hellish idea. You won't like to see that.
round zinc
like, your electronics production in particular, you'll be dealing with quantities of caterium wire that can saturate your belts
little fjord
Okay, my idea now is. Place 95 Storage containers and start building a production line from the end to the start. Wouldnt that be much easier?
My calculator already has a midlife crisis i think...
round zinc
a big part of the problem with that is that you can't really plan it out with respect to -room-
little fjord
yeah i think thats the main problem in terms of calculation >.<
round zinc
like, you'll build a plant to make reinforced iron plates... and then you will need those for frames and you'll realize the frame plant needs 4x as much reinforced plates as you're making, so do you expand the factory? But if it's right in the middle of a mega-complex that's hard...
little fjord
even if i make the whole map flat with foundations, it would take a shitton of math to get this stuff done
round zinc
the thing I've found that works is to nibble at the problem
make a factory for one desired product, figure out what you need in the way of raw materials, site it in the vicinity of where those materials are available, build it to produce that one end product
little fjord
would it be a better idea to build multiple "little" factorys but keep in mind the calculations to get 100% efficiency?
round zinc
well, I'm not saying be -inefficient-
but you should realize where it's good to have a little bit of a buffer and what materials don't matter if you're at less than 100% utilization.
glacial hemlock
3 of the end-point products are Nuclear Fuel Rod, Turbo Motor and Heavy Modular Frame. The other 3 are Versatile Frame, Modular Engine, Adaptive Control Unit. If you work from the end and trace back all their ingredients it will be easier to plan out the ratio of every intermediate item.
fierce ruin
for your very first of any factory, like rotors, it doesnt need to be exactly calculated
just route some rods and screws and you will get an amount of rotors
round zinc
it DOES pay to sit down and do the math first, though, so you can be sure you've got it at least close. Like... you don't want to build the steel, encased steel, and screw infrastructure for 20 heavy frames a minute and then realize you only have iron and factory to put together 5/min of the light frames to go into it
There are a lot of materials where it pays to have a factory continually flowing into a container, yeah. Like iron plates, iron rods, wire, cable, concrete (maybe screws?)
you don't want to have to stop and organize a new production line every time you need 200 plates, rods, and concrete to put up conveyors, for example.
little fjord
i think i will take a brake from the game and do a massive flow chart first. I just want a "map" with all production lines. But for that i need to figure out first what base materials i have on the map to feed all machines. And then build from the end to the start...
Dang... i think this project (Automate everything to storage containers) is impossible for singleplayer
little fjord
ahhhhh dang u right
one new more efficient recipe would screw up the whole calculation
round zinc
Like, I have a steel plant using the regular steel recipe, and then one just a little ways away using the coke recipe (I needed something to burn a lot of heavy oil and I needed a lot of steel, so... it worked!) Got another one I'm going to rework to the solid steel recipe because I've got more room for the extra smelters.
sometimes it's not even about whether it's more efficient, but yeah. You can get a really radically different materials tree depending on what comes out of the hard drive loot crates...
so figuring it out one factory at a time means even if later on you get a different recipe... the old factory -still runs fine-. You can go rebuild it if you want; you can just let it run if you want.
little fjord
how many hard drives are even on thee map?
empty hemlock
80 something iirc
glacial hemlock
little fjord
oooooof....
R.I.P. next 5 years of life....
round zinc
mind you, there's some -crappy- alt recipes
it's like, thanks, game, for giving me charcoal from wood, I'll be sure to set that up next to my 10 GW oil facility
glacial hemlock
The online map is constantly evoluting. now when you hover over an icon it expands to more icon that you can filter out your buildings
@little fjord getting all the hard drives (well you can only get 85) should take about 10 hours or less.
round zinc
You mean "10 hours of solid doing nothing but hunting hard drives, assuming you already have a factory that can produce all the lock items"?
little fjord
Exactly @round zinc >.<
round zinc
mind you, it's pretty fun to go exploring
oblique hollow
It's not inefficient if your time spent was fun
little fjord
the game looks f*ing amazing and it rly is fun exploring and enjoying the view @round zinc
oblique hollow
Im sure Ficsit would agree.... Sorta
little fjord
Im not here to have fun, i have a planet to industrialize @oblique hollow xD
round zinc
It's not inefficient if you make it back alive. Inhalers... love them, always carry a stack
little fjord
the next thing is... even if i automate everything at a 100% efficiency... the devs will add a new item and screw up everything right?
Maybe i should just have fun building my spaghetti monstrosity's
btw. do power slugs respawn?
round zinc
Slugs do not respawn.
you can occasionally get an "extra" one from a tamed lizard doggo, that doesn't come from the map
and forget 100% efficiency... when they went to update 3 and added fluids, they broke almost everyone's power generation because suddenly it all relied on pipes that nobody had built because they weren't in the game yet
oblique hollow
Just go for efficiency and if an update happens, it happens. Sure, Pipes Screwed over a lot of things, but it was worth it. Going around fixing things with pipes or rebuilding was the same fun as before
round zinc
yup, basically that
oblique hollow
The entire point is building stuff. If a major update happens, you get to enjoy replanning and rebuilding again
little fjord
Thanks @round zinc @glacial hemlock @fierce ruin @empty hemlock @oblique hollow
You guys helped me making my decision. Screw the idea of reaching 100% everything.
Just have fun building ^^
I think the 100% efficiency is a thing when the game is 100% done ;D
oblique hollow
Once again, there is no "correct" way to play. Some go for spaghetti and lasagna factories, others for magnum opus Industries.
little fjord
The only thing that this game does a 100% is:
Its addicting like hell. Its like cocain and heroin on one conveyor belt right into your brain 
glacial hemlock
@round zinc you may need a dozen of nuts or so when doing the drive hunting, but inhaler is not really needed.
and I also collected about 300+ power shards along the 10 hours journey
round zinc
Maybe you're just inherently better at it than I am, then, but I can go through 3-5 inhalers on one trip like nothin'
oblique hollow
Honestly, with a Jetpack and a few mk5 belts, zipping across the map is fun
glacial hemlock
I use rifle all the way. I split that into 4 trips, each trip I brought about 900 magazines
little fjord
how do u get mk5 belts? i "only" have mk4?! o.0
oblique hollow
Just hop on the belt, slide jump and WEEEEE
fierce ruin
i remember when we didnt actually need the inhalers because you could just spam the berries or the nuts
oblique hollow
Spam Nut 
round zinc
Kekz, you get 'em in tier 7.
glacial hemlock
nuts now regrow so spam berry or nuts is not a big deal now.
mushroom doesn't regrow.
round zinc
mushrooms don't regrow?!
fierce ruin
the bacons
round zinc
oh, was gonna say... coulda sworn my mycelia runs were more efficient than that
glacial hemlock
When I am bored, I just clip into the cave at my backyard, harvest about 20 or 30 stacks of Mycelia then come back. The cave is so big that 100 stacks of them is an easy deal.
long perch
@glacial hemlock thanks
glacial hemlock
@long perch ?!? you refer to which? I forget haha
long perch
The turbo motor farm hahaha
glacial hemlock
I see haha I am glad if that helps
gusty bridge
'noon engineers
warm wren
Was being silly yesterday Now actually trying to find something that works.
Messing around with arrays using smart splits. I think it makes a cleaner design, but of course you're putting two items on a single line
fierce ruin
overflow into sink or are you sinking everything?
warm wren
It fills up right to left then overflows (mostly just the odd screw since I'm slightly over on the screw production)
Bear in mind this is an old save that I use to play around just to see what I can build
The output is being sunk just so I can let it run forever to see if it ever hits any snags or issues
It just fells "cleaner" to me... rather than running one part to a set of spliters then running one part to another set and going over/under to reach the inputs
Finding a way to set up all my arrays and then having all the overflow, which I'd keep as low as possible, all meet up and flow to a single sink
Course I realize there's a bit of a limiting factor with high volume items, while I am doing reinforced plates here, that's not an ideal item for that set up. You'd wouldn't want something with high item numbers like screws. That's just 4 regular reinforced plates and it's eating 240 ipm just for the screws.
glacial hemlock
if you like smart splitters a lot, then advanced logistic mod might be fun to you. Single belt to all assemblers and manufacturers
tribal plover
If I use a splitter with 2 different materials will it put the same split the same material to the same side or just completely random? So for example Metal and Copper goes in. Lets say first time the Metal comes out left. Will it then always come out left? At this splitter
limber plover
if you use the smart splitter yess
tribal plover
Smart splitter? Dont think I own that yet. Thanks though. Ill try to unlock it
limber plover
the regular one will keep splitting everything no matter what
yea tier 4 i think
@tribal plover https://satisfactory.gamepedia.com/Smart_Splitter this one
limber plover
btw i made a mistake @tribal plover you can only unlock this in the M.A.M by researching the Caterium-tree
tribal plover
Oh thats great I could probably do that right now
limber plover
have fun 😃
wary tulip
I wonder.... can you set up a single dump box to put everything you pick up from exploring, and it filters everything down into cargo boxes with everything separated out?
glacial hemlock
yes.
warm wren
You can @wary tulip But you'd have to set up a bunch of boxes and smart splitters
wary tulip
That sounds like a useful build for the multiplayer server I’m on.
I’m gonna design a compact sorting factory for all the players 🙂
How many items are there in the game?
tall gorge
How many items are there in the game?
@wary tulip Lots of Items 🤣
wind spade
more than 3
glacial hemlock
But is it more than 130?
wary tulip
Actually, I guess there is no need to have a box for EVERY item...
like leaves, they can be automatically put into the biomass system.
Ores can be split off into there respective systems.
Yeah.... a central distribution hub is the next project for me 🙂
I’m at tier 4 with the automation stuff researched, so I think I can do it all with that tech level.
dense fog
Leaving items unsorted? How very dare you
lean sigil
i where hobbyless and i startet thinking mhh how much would an foundation weight(8x4) so i startet mathing XD 8x8x4=256x8 8because its the dense of steel i know the crafting recipe is concrete but i dont care so steel has 8kg/m3 that means one foundation has the weight of 2tons well normally you craft around 25foundations so he has 50tons of foundations and most time only 1 touches the ground that means one plateone plate can hold around 48 tons and i did not even counted the amtospheric preasure but i dont know how strong gravity is i would like to know so it would be less well i think aigan ok well a human can jump76 centimeters high ok in satisfactory you can jump 20 centimeters so the gravity is 26,31% higher than the gravity on earth so 25 foundations would wait 51,90041 tons i just say 52 tons WOW math is great
wait
am i dumb
no
i am not
glacial hemlock
2 tonnes? You refer to 2000 tonnes you mean?
warm wren
Break out your holy relics to banish me now manufacture arrays with smarts/prog splits... Anyone do this?
warm wren
Well it works
sand garnet
that looks surprisingly good use of mixed belts actually
send everything back to their respective containers or sink
wind spade
surprisingly good use of something that shouldn't be used 😄
warm wren
But it's so neat and clean looking compared to running four lines to each one 😿
woeful skiff
I think it should be fine as long as you've thought it through and adjusted each splitters settings correctly.
warm wren
It's just item1 one way, overflow, item2, overflow ect... in this case wire flows into the slot on the right, everything else moves to the next spliter which takes the next item, eventually everything overflows enough and just moves into the second manufact, repeat, anything extra gets dumped
vagrant tapir
or you just properly balance it like a real doggo
wind spade
I'm not sure, I kinda like the 4 manifolds, but that's subjective I guess
@vagrant tapir don't you dare mention balancing in here 😄
vagrant tapir
#fulcrum
austere zinc
how do u calculate spacing between pipeline pumps
ive been stuck on getting it on vertically
fierce ruin
Probably in a cave, standard miners can reach them, they only seem to care about x and y not z
warm wren
In reference to my earlier ponderings over using smart splits to set up manufact arrays If you had a high volume item it might better to exclude that from the mixed belt. As an example I was making standard becans, simply because the materials are easy and I had them available... But that's 112.5 wire per machine per minute. So if I really wanted to set up an array of those (you wouldn't but this is an example) I'd put the plates, rods, and power cables on the line, but I'd run wire by itself on its own line.
woeful skiff
it seems like if the total item/min is going to exceed the belt speed would be the cut-off
warm wren
Correct, in the test I was doing if I recall correctly it was 112.5, 22.5, 7.5, and 15... In that particular case you'd hit the 780 limit pretty quick, but if you took the 112.5 off and put it on its own line... in this case the limit would be 17 and some change. (780 / (22.5 + 7.5 + 15))
woeful skiff
But 17 * 112.5 = 1912.5
upbeat tide
Tldr?
woeful skiff
fresh elm
I use all 5 belt speeds depending on what I need.
it actually helps distribute materials pretty well
even if you're using manifolds
upbeat tide
Same, alot of my feeder belts into a manifold tend to be mk1 or 2, depending on the item rate ofc. All my compacted coal is 200 a min so its all mk3’s there for example
fierce ruin
Is there any downside to simply using the fastest belt available if you can afford it?
steady lily
mint jacinth
I don’t like using 3s but that’s because I don’t have a big steel beam setup (I use the alt recipe for concrete beams). Of course I still need them for rails.
round zinc
I'm the other way around. I'll use 3s all day because steel beams are a lot easier to crank out in large quantities compared to 2 or 4
but once you get 5s, even a modest aluminum setup will produce plenty of alclad sheets and they're not good for much besides your turbo motor plant, so getting an excess of them is pretty easy.
west gale
Spent a bit of time planning out my Al-Clad sheet production factory. I gotta figure out what to do with all that excess water coming out...
rancid lark
feed it back into the inputs to the system
west gale
I'd have to pre-fill the system with water extractors...I suppose it could work
I'd have to figure out a route for it
rancid lark
reduce your inputs by 840
west gale
3360 water input then
rancid lark
ya, the aluminum chain is one of my favorite
west gale
That extra +80 solution was binding up my current system, so I'm redesigning it after doing the math
lots of other connections seem to have simple ratios of machines, but those extra bits cause problems
and now I'm gonna have to go find raw quartz near my factory. I've already got the three quartz nodes from the deep spider-filled cave in the North West
I only need 84 per minute... I could just run a tractor over to it, I suppose
thin bear
How many iron plates for conveyor belts do I need to travel for 1km assuming it's a complete straight line and a Mk. 1 conveyor belt?
zealous zenith
hmm
according to the wiki
every single piece is 2 meters long
and requires 1 iron plate
so your 1km straight line should require 500 plates
eternal goblet
just grab a tonne of plates and go until you're there
zealous zenith
or you can do that
eternal goblet
also if you plan on doing conveyors that long, you should atleast use mk.2 or 3
zealous zenith
also dont forget the materials for the poles
you will need poles at least every 50m
eternal goblet
you can easily forget about them. also assuming it's 2m/plate, it's 40 meters max
all you gotta do is remove the pole after placing the string of conveyors, only need 1 rod and 1 conveyor
fierce ruin
that moment you read the chat just to figure out even the basics of how to improve, but you dont understand the lingo, completely referring it as if its a foreign language.
stonks man, serious stonks. maybe i'll catch on to the topics here and actually use them myself.
glacial hemlock
@fierce ruin welcome to #math-and-meta
fierce ruin
i have no idea how to breah
anyway, thanks, still trying to read and assume stuff as if i know it
glacial hemlock
have a blind run through the game first, being here will spoil yourself of being too rely on community. hehe
barren coral
hey, quick question, since freight platforms at train stations have 2 inputs, could trains break the mk5 belt limit by just having 2 mk5 belts going into the freight platform?
glacial hemlock
yes. But the max throughput of a freight platform will always be slightly less than 2 full-belt, due to the belt-locking during the 25 second docking.
barren coral
right, thank you ^^
fierce ruin
fair.
sand garnet
@fierce ruin ask any questions you have 🙂
fierce ruin
shoot really? okay uhm...Coffee?
no but in all serious
any terms or lingo i should understand before reading anything in this channel so i dont get confused
@sand garnet
sand garnet
I think the main thingyou should learn about for factory building is the concept of a manifold
which is a row of splitters where the side leads to a machine, and the front leads to another splitter in that row
that way you dont really need to worry about balancing inputs etc 🙂
it's a very simple way to expand factories
fierce ruin
tom
this is great and all, but reading this makes me feel like i'm a fish making toast with a toaster oven.
indigo vigil
Left side is a load balancer. Right side is a manifold.
indigo vigil
And then you can merge it all together again on the far side of the machines and then move all of your materials on a single belt to the next step in the process (assuming your belt speeds can handle it).
sand garnet
manifolds are super useful because let's say you get better belts
then you can move around more items, so you can just add more machines and splitters
fierce ruin
question
sand garnet
upgrade the existing belts, and boom, you've got more items
fierce ruin
do you add machines on the bottom too?
and the left, if the array goes left to right, is the input?
if so, then all that accounts for is if its procedually progressing through items easily
the only worry i have is, what if you want certain things to craft specific things with speific items, that have already merged with a splitter
you'd have to use a smart splitter, right?
filtering lets say rods from plates so you can make screws while making advanced plating
woeful skiff
I don't recommend making more than one thing in a single line.
indigo vigil
Manifolds are normally to keep a single line of resources moving. Mixing materials on the belt is a bad idea.
fierce ruin
alright
warm wren
Revised version of my 'smart manifold'
fierce ruin
then how do i efficently make things like advanced plating
warm wren
Amusing since somebody just said not to mix belts
indigo vigil
You mean reinforced iron plates?
fierce ruin
yes
woeful skiff
QuieterOne, that's different.
fierce ruin
im at the state where i'm not easily making those reinforced plates the best i could be.
warm wren
@woeful skiff I've built mega factories, now I play with designs.
indigo vigil
You'd basically have 2 assembly lines. One that's making iron plates, and one making screws. Then you set up those 2 manifolds to enter into assemblers making the reinforced plates
fierce ruin
do i merge the manifolds into one singular manifold like what quieterone did?
sand garnet
@fierce ruin if you want me to hop in your world and go over things with you let me know
fierce ruin
would be nice.
sand garnet
epic or steam?
indigo vigil
While this isn't the same thing, it functions on a similar level.
This is what it looks like to have 2 lanes of resources moving into a single machine in a manifold setup.
warm wren
No no @fierce ruin What I posted is my Smart Splitter manifold, it's not early game, and even at late game it's probably not the best design, but I'm playing around with design.
indigo vigil
Except in your case, one belt would have iron plates, one would have screws, and they'd be going into an assembler.
sand garnet
DM me your session ID ( esc > manage session > session settings )
fierce ruin
alright
woeful skiff
My specific advice was not to make more than one thing in a single line of machines, I didn't say anything about how you feed it. I like the smart splitter mixed manifold idea now that there's an overflow option to do it safely.
warm wren
My smart manifolds work perfectly, but I'd still move high volume parts off them. It's a bit like the alt recipes... something you can use but maybe not the best thing in all situations.
lethal ice
are greeny's dev kits outdated? Doing the math manually it something isn't adding up with what the production line tool is showing me.
lethal ice
2.6 foundries would make 117 steel ingots per min wouldn't it?
upbeat tide
Standard steel is 45/45 = 45
lethal ice
right
upbeat tide
And steel beam is 60 = 15
lethal ice
which with 120 max raw resource line according to greeny i can make 26 min
either there's something i'm missing on the tool, or i'm totally fried, or something is off with greeny
because i should be able to make 30 per min
when i input 30 it says i need 135 raw mats per min
drowsy orchid
when i input 30 it says i need 135 raw mats per min
@lethal ice what website or app is that?
lethal ice
drowsy orchid
thank you
lethal ice
it's in the pins
drowsy orchid
brilliant this saves me so much time