math-and-meta

[wind spade]

that's why you don't merge fresh and byproduct water

[low grove]

without fresh water the byproduct water wasn't enough and a different part of the factory backed up :P

that's kinda not on the factory's fault tho, the thing supplying the thing producing the byproduct has some issues by itself

[wind spade]

that sounds like a build issue

[bleak wagon]

(6k was an arbitrary number to see how it scaled in my model)

seems like this model worked fine

[bleak wagon]

Took your advice on that and just did it now, earlier I do it, the better of a time im going to have later

[frosty owl]

So long as coke doesn't stop and scraps never back up, that should never back up (even if extracted water was lacking)

[bleak wagon]

Looks just likea circuit board now

[frosty owl]

Ordering everything at the end can become quite the chore as plans get bigger
Ideally, one should become able to put things in order as they go (every few blocks or outposts or so)

[bleak wagon]

Yeah, currently this plan is only meant for my dimensional depot factory, aka my main base for the save. I cant wait to plan the space elevator parts going into phase 4 and phase 5 though

[frosty owl]

Ngl, I wish the labels had some sort of "Collison" so they at least try not to overlap xD

[bleak wagon]

Planning the dimensional depot factory as if i have everything unlocked though

[frosty owl]

That's where things get spicy!

[bleak wagon]

What I really love is the infinite calculating when theres literally nothingto calculate

This has been calculating for the last like 10 minutes

[frosty owl]

Wdym?

[frosty owl]

Ohhh. What simulation mode are you using?

[bleak wagon]

I dont have any inputs set yet

full

I think it reset my settings at some point, i swear i had it set to manual

[frosty owl]

Yeah, full gets slow quite quickly :/

Especially when linking one node to many (including splitters)

[bleak wagon]

yeah my steel factory took 5 minutes to calculate and it wasnt that complex

[frosty owl]

If you still prefer "full", for some reason, you can work around it a bit by disconnecting some of the most problematic connections, just making sure that the inputs/outputs numbers match by limiting the relative nodes
Eg: connections between outposts are often very heavy on performance in "full" mode

[bleak wagon]

I never used full, I didnt realize it reset lol. Must have happened when I changed to linux

[frosty owl]

Oh yeah, that sounds likely. User settings not transferring or whatnot

[frosty owl]

I almost forgot how "full" works 😅 😆

[bleak wagon]

found it

Ive since learned and do not put everything in one page

and organize connections as i go

[cinder silo]

Yikes, yeah when a plan looks like that, my brain switches off.

[bleak wagon]

it was detangled to this though

[cinder silo]

I still break it into multiple smaller plans and assemble the chain literally by department.

[bleak wagon]

that was my all uranium nuclear power plant plan which was a failed project due to unfortunate timing with data losses

[cinder silo]

And I'm known for building on a vast scale.

[bleak wagon]

yeah im doing that currently

[cinder silo]

My last nuclear project ate the entire grasslands 🤣

[bleak wagon]

I built mine on the ocean, I didnt feel like running a ton of pipes to nuclear power plants

well was building mine, never finished it

lost the plan, and my computer stopped running the save well

[glass flicker]

nuclear is just nuts... currently doing it for the first time and I had the heady idea to max out 1 normal uranium and make it all burn clean

[bleak wagon]

nuclear is quite a challenge on a large scale, but its fun if youre up for it

[cinder silo]

The plutonium recycling facility sat below it, took up half the void at the bottom of the waterfall, here's the quick and dirty clip I chucked on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvH2myCJoXo

[glass flicker]

@bleak wagon I'm also being challenging by vertically stacking my Nuclear Plants, built the first 18 for uranium yesterday, stacked 9 high.

[bleak wagon]

Im trying to go from coal to nuclear though so I need to burn it without recycling at first

[glass flicker]

they are a looooong way from being turned up.

[bleak wagon]

I have a 1,2gw coal plant btw, dw about how this is going to work out

just trust the process

[glass flicker]

the Copper Powder alone required 3 pure copper nodes dedicated to it.

[cinder silo]

My rocket fuel facility actually produces 1.1Tw

Right gotta go, I don't need to be late into the office!

[bleak wagon]

I had a coal power plant that produced 10.8gw in my u8 save

[glass flicker]

rocket fuel is just busted.... I'm planning to build a new facility that recycle the compacted coal into MORE rocket fuel. (it ends up being a 60/40 nitro/non-nitro and saves me a bunch of sulphur and coal)

[bleak wagon]

"fun" stuff

[bleak wagon]

I woud do fuel, but nuclear is fun to me and Ive not done it much

lemme load my u8 save rq and show you my fuel power plant I made lol

[glass flicker]

for my next play through I'm going to limit myself to fuel produced via biomass (and the caveat that we cant use the crafting bench)

[bleak wagon]

I think there was 600 fuel generators

[glass flicker]

my current group project has 520 generators running at 100%

[bleak wagon]

I just remembered my 60hmf a minute factory

this save was something

[bleak wagon]

512 generators

100% efficiency with normal fuel

and apparently they werent all linked lmao

[frosty owl]

I've yet to truly learn that 😅
I realized a bit too late into planning that it could be useful to use outposts or blueprints for individual floors as they got too big... By that point, I had too much stuff laid out to rework it all just to make it prettier/more organized
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1456429988730638518/cattura1.JPG?ex=6972b3a0&is=69716220&hm=835a53fedffe442a1c489f94050110bb02b8821fbb9ca8cfd084597c0e38235a&

[bleak wagon]

yeah, I was trying to put it all on one page and kept overwhelming myself

[frosty owl]

It can also be annoying when trying to tweak something that is outside an outpost but you also want to see the result of that inside the outpost node...

[bleak wagon]

yeah

When it gets the point of I have all the connections and I need to set output amounts its gonna be interesting

realistically I dont care what the numbers are so long as theyre possible within reason

[frosty owl]

Let's hope future you won't hate that thought

[bleak wagon]

yeahhhhh

I do know the maximum resource amounts though

So if it gets to more than like 1/4 of that on any of them somethings being tweaked

this is most of the items in the game though, but I still need to have resources to send to nuclear power and the space elevator parts

[frosty owl]

BTW, have you tried Modeler yet? ^^

Is the plan for all Uranium?
I think I missed the full reasoning if you spelled it out earlier 😅

[bleak wagon]

Im not doing all uranium in this save, but the ridiculous looking plan I sent a picture of is

[frosty owl]

Ohh, gotcha 😆

[bleak wagon]

Im probably doing like 1/3 uranium depending on how much power that gets me

and I'll probably do full chain

[frosty owl]

How many GW are you thinking, more or less?

[bleak wagon]

it really depends on how much power I end up needing from my plans

I feel like it will probably end up being around 600gw if i had to guess

because i want to do pretty big factories

and
big number = monkey brain more entertained

[frosty owl]

Full chain for that much nuclear is gonna suck up a lot of SAM though, iirc

[bleak wagon]

yeah you need to somersloop basically anything using SAM

I think when I made my all uranium full nuclear I had like 80 somersloops used

[frosty owl]

Ie: it may be worth considering limiting Ficsonium part of the process

[bleak wagon]

Yeah, could be better to do a lot of uranium and only some ficsonium because its cool

then sink plutonium rods

[frosty owl]

Sloops change a lot in what is possible to do, so I generally don't even account for them in my comparisons or examples (it's relatively easy to just add them later)

[bleak wagon]

could also be more viable with my current plans which is to go from coal to nuclear

[frosty owl]

Imo, nuclear is still one of the coolest recipe chains

[bleak wagon]

id be making waste to start then sinking plutonium i can get rid of it

as funny as it would be to just irradiate the map

i dont want to listen to a Geiger counter 24/7

[frosty owl]

Uranium is nice to work with in sets of 150s or 300s, so you can easily break the project into parts too

[bleak wagon]

yeah, I'll probably use 750 uranium on nuclear power

I think that also works out well with some uranium placements iirc

eh kinda

[frosty owl]

Eh, the nodes go by 300 or 600s, none have 150 xD

[bleak wagon]

yeah

[frosty owl]

(Assuming max clock ofc)

[bleak wagon]

if I build in the rocky desert its between an impure and normal which is decent placement

probably do 900 there

I'll figure that out when I get to planning that

[frosty owl]

BTW, if you place a Sloop right on top of a miner you can double it's output
||This is a lie||

[bleak wagon]

lol

Theres a mod for it. Im sure

[frosty owl]

Well, we can also just... make Uranium, now, soooo...

[bleak wagon]

haha

who wants more of that stuff

2100 is pain enough as it is

[frosty owl]

There ought to be one madman who went for full nuclear including SAM...

[bleak wagon]

yeah

thats like saying the sky is blue

Considering some of the things Ive seen, its definitely happened. Theres so many insane and insanely talented people who do stuff in satisfactory

[wind spade]

not possible unfortunately

[bleak wagon]

I wish you could color code lines in satisfactory modeler, that would be so useful

[frosty owl]

I was assuming within game limits (ie: making the max amount of nuclear power possible including Ore conversion, not just full Uranium->Ficsonium)

[wind spade]

ah fair

[bleak wagon]

added radio control units cause i realized I forgot them. I know Im missing some stuff still not sure what all it is yet though. I do know that anything with ficsite ingots is still needed though

[wind spade]

sounds like a pain if it's all in one plan

[bleak wagon]

This is meant to be my main base which has all my production for the dimensional depots so while it is a lot its going to be pretty small production values

[wind spade]

isn't all production in the game to depot? 😄

[bleak wagon]

Thats true. More specifically what Im doing here is making every part in the game for building then going to have separate factories for the final space elevator parts and mypower plant

So it will be a pain to make my main base, but Im up for the challenge

Cant wait to have several kilometer long belts because I dont feel like using trains

[wind spade]

Well good luck, I wouldn't recommend centralisation on this scale, but you seem to be determined 🙂

[bleak wagon]

Yeah. Its a lot if I really do centralize it. There is a chance I separate it by the tiers ive assigned though

[autumn inlet]

Is this why people seem to lean towards many modular factories? This is just the recipe for 2 heavy frames and its making my eyes go cross 💀

[wind spade]

this is why people recommend other planners than SCIM

[autumn inlet]

tools insted?

[wind spade]

f.e. this is how such production looks in Tools

can be different based on what alts you choose to use

but if you're looking for less complexity, that's not really happening, as you go further in tiers, you'll get more and more complex productions

[autumn inlet]

ahh yeah, that image is kinda same same but different for the "simplistic" version on SCIM

[wind spade]

as for your initial question, modular factories are indeed often recommended, but this one thing would ideally be one factory

[wind spade]

tbh SCIM can't show you some productions, usually around oil, so you'd eventually hit the limitations there anyway

[autumn inlet]

yeah in fairness to Tools, I do like just simply "you need 254 coal/min"

[wind spade]

yeah the resource requirements are hard to do, since everyone has different miners and nodes available

[autumn inlet]

in my mind I want to try make this a vertical tower but I think I should be realistic on this

[bronze cave]

How exactly do dimensional depots work? Am I able to transfer things from one to the other if they are not close by and without conveyors connecting them? Or is it just about accessing whatever you want wherever you are?

[wind spade]

the depot is just "uploader", and it "uploads" items to cloud storage. The storage is limited per item type, and can only be taken from manually (or when building things)

[bronze cave]

So I can take from it in inventory but not possible to transfer to another depot without connecting conveyors (or other transportation)

Am I understanding it correctly?

[wind spade]

yeah, item teleportation doesn't exist in the game (obviously, as that would invalidate everything 😄 )

and again, "depot" is just uploader

[bleak wagon]

Yeah things would be so much easier if they could teleport items automatically, but would make so many things useless

[autumn inlet]

yeah who needs trains, drones, trucks, tractors

[bleak wagon]

Takes away from the fun too

[bleak wagon]

Me and my conveyer belts have other ideas

[candid remnant]

Is this an appropriate place to discuss plans using Satisfactory Modeler?

[wind spade]

probably. Though keep in mind modeler's plans are kinda hard to read

[molten arrow]

How do y'all use the tool?

[vapid gorge]

modeler also has their own discord

[candid remnant]

They can be tough to read, so I tried to organize it for readability. What I'm trying to do is have a computer factory that also outputs a surplus of circuit boards and AI limiters while having a byproduct of turbofuel for packaging and power. I'm not sure if there are better recipes than what I'm choosing though (specifcally for how I'm electing to make plastic and rubber). I'm choosing to go Caterium route.

Am I using inefficient recipes for plastic and rubber?

[vapid gorge]

yeah there's a lot of issues with modeler. It's not good to share, hard to read and all your reasons

I don't suggest it to people

[candid remnant]

It's very nice and usable, just difficult to share and discuss.

[vapid gorge]

I mean you jus tsaid it was tough to read, and you can't tell what is efficient

plus you have to do all the steps manually

[candid remnant]

The latter part of your statement is due to my lack of experience, specifically with oil refining.

So that's where I'm trying to double check myself

[vapid gorge]

I mean this is a plan I tossed together in 10 seconds https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=06U10NAX2qJL4ZpMwT5h

no real alts

[candid remnant]

As much as I love the tool, the issue I have with having them be separate is its hard to follow for me. This is just as readable I guess...

[wind spade]

separate what? 🤔

[candid remnant]

Fuel Factory + Plastic Factory + Rubber Factory + AI Limiter Factory, etc

[wind spade]

you can have them separate or merged

both options are viable

[candid remnant]

Both are available but the choice is mutually exclusive if I want to create an overabundance while also using an the overflow as an input for another in the same factory

I can't do this

The calculator said I need 30 circuit boards as input for 7.5 computers/min so I entered in a surplus value and can send it as an overflow on a bus or somewhere else

Nevermind... I think I'm an idiot?

[wind spade]

You can make the overflow in Tools as well?

Just ask it for your final product + the extra "overflow"

In your case, ask it for 40 CBs + 7.5 computers

[candid remnant]

Yea, I was able to get there on my own. I just have to mess with it more and learn the ins and outs.

Thank you

[fickle knoll]

How can i make a 5 i/p 5 o/p load balancer?

[mint coral]

Imma need some explaining of that sentence before I can help lol

Do you mean one lane into 5 lanes?

[fickle knoll]

5 inputs of ore of varying amounts, rebalanced to 5 outputs of ore having total/5 each.

[mint coral]

Totalxclipse put out a video on YouTube with how to deal with scenarios like this. I suggest looking into that

[fickle knoll]

Studying for a game while not doing my actual studies...truly a satisfactory moment.

[fleet estuary]

Ive got a Problem. Im at a Point where i Upload so fast with 2 Buffer under it that i have no need to do any Mashine fast. But i also now got 250 Powershards and its the first time i am Able to Overclock all my Miners. What "Personal Goal" do you guys have to do in your Bases?

Do you aim for Spicific how fast you want to produce them?

[mint coral]

Um.... hard to say... I've never considered speed really. As its a single player game and I have responsibilities. Ill get up and do the dishes while leaving the game running for example.

That being said I make goals for the he'll of it.

Last run I limited myself to one central train hub per biome and no train stations allowed other then that. This forced me to use the other logistic options.

Another save I wanted to use the fuel generator chimneys to act as sent exhauste for the city scape I built Over top.

Another playthrough my goal was to make buildings look like animals so I made a train hub in a river resembling a crocodile

I also did a playthrough where I made 10/min of all phase 5 parts for reasons

[fleet estuary]

I try to just focus on 1 Save(My First one) and there i just look. Prob will it be that i try to Upload everything and Automate everything.

[wind spade]

tbh I'd just hook each belt to the amount of machines it can feed

[wind spade]

I aim to produce item faster than I use it (on average).

[fleet estuary]

How do you measure it with concrete?

[wind spade]

I build some small amount and add more when I keep running out

[fleet estuary]

I got 2 Industrial Buffer underneath it. Thats where i hope i never run out

[fickle knoll]

Right i realised how stupid my comment that was.

You are asking me to build the factory around the belt, right?

[wind spade]

my point is that there's no need to equalise the belts

you can just hook things directly

[fickle knoll]

I can, and that would mean having a different number of machines in each row.

[wind spade]

I guess. But you can also build the machines where the belts start, instead of centralising them

[lusty frost]

idk if this is the channel but uh what should I pick here?

[unborn valve]

go ingots into screws saves alot of ur time in the furture

[oblique hollow]

If you arent sure, pick none for now

You can come back later like when you have plans for a new factory

Cast screws only saves a little time, a blueprint could save just as much time

[wind spade]

Pick what you like 🙂

[wind spade]

Only in early game tbh

[lusty frost]

do i still keep the old recipe?

[wind spade]

Yeah

And you can get all recipes

So no harm in experimenting

[hushed silo]

cast screw and inventory

[bleak wagon]

thats actually my biggest reason for liking modeler more lol

[bleak wagon]

I think I finished my planning for my main factory. At least for the most part. I think it has every item needed for building excluding some in t9

I am probably missing some simple things that entirely skipped my mind though

[frosty owl]

I'm assuming you're sending part of the items to storage/depot along the way, right?

[glacial kettle]

In a manifold setup feeding eight coal generators, the math is simple: each generator needs 15 coal/min, totaling 120 coal/min, which means the main “highway” belt must be Mk.2 to carry the full load. The real debate is the side belts feeding each generator. Technically, Mk.1 belts (60/min) are sufficient, because each splitter only needs to deliver 15/min to its generator, and the manifold naturally throttles itself once machines fill their internal buffers. Using Mk.2 side belts does not increase throughput or startup speed in any meaningful way—it’s just wasted belt capacity. Mk.1 side belts are mathematically correct, resource-efficient, and cleaner for scaling logic, while Mk.2 only adds redundancy for mistakes, not performance. In short: Mk.2 for the main line, Mk.1 for the branches—anything else is overengineering dressed up as safety.

[frosty owl]

Albeit a bit counterintuitive, faster side belts do lead to faster manifold fill (ie: the whole system reaches 100% faster).
Using Smart Splitters set to "overflow" onto the main line (instead of normal Splitters) can further enhance this difference.

[bold hollow]

What site is this

[languid laurel]

Satisfactory modeler on steam

[bleak wagon]

Yesi just have it excluded from the main picture

[vapid gorge]

just get a calculator then.

like a physical one.

[bleak wagon]

Yeah I used to do all my calculations on paper. Started using Satisfactory Modeler because its easier for me.

[bronze cave]

Any way I can remove the byproduct in calculator? My input is for petroleum coke and rubber

[crimson moat]

spend it on more coke

240/min coke total

[mint coral]

Mommy coke steel

[vapid gorge]

yeah process it to coke and sink it is probably the simplest.

[vapid gorge]

youve got to do something with it though otherwise your system will clog

[bronze cave]

Yeah, I'll work on optimizing this.. I didn't intend to get to oil as I was working on my first modular factory, but I needed mk4 belts and the milestone for it required rubber.. so now I gotta optimize the oil infrastructure i guess 🤷🏾‍♂️

[vapid gorge]

just make a little bit of plastic and rubber for now 🙂 don't stress tooo much about it

[bronze cave]

Im using a normal node and even that requires some refineries, so i might as well just build around that 1 node for rubber and plastic and get back to my main quest

[plucky badger]

pre phase 3 turbo fuel factory with my alr recipes

[flat jewel]

Anyone know if I should go with the default cooling system recipe or cooling device that uses less nitrogen? Will I be more likely to run out of nitrogen or oil more likely?

[plucky badger]

imo theres alot of nitrogengass use that

[flat jewel]

Gotcha ty :D

[bronze cave]

I built my 1st factory on oil, im using 1 pure with 8 refineries (4 rubber 4 plastic + heavy oil). I wanna connect the heavy oil from these 8 refineries to other 3 refineries for petroleum coke (to sink). The thing is I'll only have 120 m3 heavy oil in the pipes and I am not yet 100% sure how fluids work. Do I spread out the 3 refineries across the main pipeline connecting the 8 previous refineries? Do I create another pipeline connecting the 3 refineries and connect it in a single point with the main pipeline from the 8 refineries? Any suggestions?

[vapid gorge]

Honestly you’ll run out of neither

Plan for the recipe that will suit a good location for you

Consider where you might put other factories in relation

[queen umbra]

I just sink my nuclear pasta that's crazy

[mint coral]

end of the cube line Modular frams to pasta. Much effort. many poijnt

[queen umbra]

Yeah

[viral vessel]

An array of batteries can only output what the grid they are attached to can, right? Like if I have 50000MW of batteries, but my grids max output is 2500 it'll only output 2500? I can't turn off my power and use more than 2500 while it's in battery mode?

[round ice]

Instead of sinking the coke from the heavy oil residue turn it into fuel and put it into fuel generators for some extra power that's what I did

[crimson moat]

power storage can discharge infinitely fast

[viral vessel]

Okay, cool, thank you!

[slim sigil]

Using the satisfactory tool, is there a way to have it due one full 100% building production for each item?

[gleaming flare]

Is anyone available to hop in a discord call so I can get some help working through a ridiculous throughput issue

my conveyer belts are lying to me

[wind spade]

Fyi, power storages store MWh, not MW (contrary to their name)

[wind spade]

Better share your issue in #1038092680493801533 or here, add images and such

[wind spade]

Not really, that woould give you tons of byproducts anyway

[tired viper]

It's noticeable a .001 lack on an assembler line?

[wind spade]

if you look for it, probably
if you just want some production, hardly an issue

[tired viper]

I need a 4.001 output, but it hurts to use a power shard

[wind spade]

the only problem is if a system requires to be running at exact speed (e.g. due to byproduct processing)

[tired viper]

It's feeding another assembler : /

Oh, byproduct like residual thingies that can turn off the entire thing?

[wind spade]

yeah

[tired viper]

nope, it's for the heavy modulars

the assembler before the manufacturer requires 4.001 RIP

just wondering it would really matters keeping at 4.000

[wind spade]

well you'll only have 99.975% production, so depends if that bothers you or not 😉

[tired viper]

damnç

it bothers me

[shut kettle]

i need to split 1:4 twice, but dont have any ideas

[mint coral]

can you not just do a manifold?

[shut kettle]

i tried manifolding but how would i? there's 2 inputs

how do u manifold assemblers?

[mint coral]

do one line floor level splitters infront

the second input gets a lift and put a splitter ontop of the lift

[shut kettle]

ohhh

lemme try that

[somber sedge]

hey is this how im supposed to use a buffer

[wind spade]

you're supposed to not use buffers 😛

(kinda joking, but tbh I wouldn't use buffers at all if possible)

[mint coral]

I mainly use buffers for logistics pre and post train loading for example

every other time ive tried to use them they have made the build less effective

[wind spade]

yeah, they usually either break your flow or hide the issue, or do nothing

[mint coral]

I like the look of them though. So i do use them for Decore. I just dont connect them

[wind spade]

yeah you can clip pipe through them for practically equal visual look but no effect on flow

[mint coral]

Anyone else have issues with floor holes. On or two will be fine but when i place 6plus near eachother they start acting wierd.

for example ill have 5 connected to pipes on both sides but the 6th wont let me connect the final piece. I often just dont use them now.

[wind spade]

that was an issue in past versions and usually we recommended people to clip pipes through floor holes. It was fixed back then though, so idk if it's something new or it coming back

[mint coral]

Okay, maybe my laptop just needs a update. I playoffline on my laptop and a billion things need a update

[wind spade]

I meant "past versions" as "3 years back" 😄

[mint coral]

ah then mine is not that far out of date lol. Like maybe a few patches lol

[somber sedge]

HMM

i cant decide which design looks better

[dim glade]

2 looks better

[mint coral]

I like both, I prefer runing the beam through the batteries placing the nodes then deleting the beam

[viral vessel]

Yeah, this I do know, which I guess makes sense that they can infinitely discharge then. Thank you!

[somber sedge]

agreeed

[dim glade]

fr

[slate kiln]

SCIM down?

nvm works now xD

[somber sedge]

epic hack, i put walkways on the side of roads so i can use them myself too

[dusky dust]

What's wrong with playing ragdoll chicken?

[somber sedge]

@dusky dust i have two paths that ive recorded, but for some reason, the trucks which are assigned to the red path also seem to stop at this station

how do i prevent this

[dusky dust]

Build the station further away from the road. :) Vehicles will indeed stop at any station they get close enough to, and the interaction point is further out than you might think

"Drive-through" stations are generally easiest to deal with; I would definitely not personally put one right on the road like that. You'd want a little exit ramp or whatever and enforce one-way routing through it by your routes

[somber sedge]

hmm

[dusky dust]

(you can make use of that behavior to provide refuelling points along routes, which is nice. :)

[somber sedge]

mamnn

ill have to rebuild all of this then

[somber sedge]

thats nice

[dusky dust]

But yeah, definitely be careful with those even if you move them back just as they are

Having two in a line like that will make it a little difficult to avoid a vehicle stopping at both, even if it's only meant to stop at one

Rotating 'em 90° so that vehicles can drive through (and exit on the far side) is a much easier way to isolate 'em

[somber sedge]

can you just help me with this one thing

[bitter urchin]

You can remove the ⏸️ node once the path is done. While recording the track go full speed the time you don't want to stop and pause for 4/5 sec when you want to load/unload. Then once registered remove the 1 second ⏸️ node

[somber sedge]

would this work

[somber sedge]

wait i think i get what youre saying, let me make that

[dusky dust]

If that's the "end of the line" (like you're not going to have unrelated vehicles coming up from the bottom) then yeah, that should work fine

[somber sedge]

is this what you meant

[bitter urchin]

Are you using trucks or tractors? Trucks need more space to clear curves than tractors. They might hit the refulling station when doing that 180*

[somber sedge]

im using trucks

no tractors

is this good??

[bitter urchin]

Also if they are using the same road on 2 different paths they might collide since they are not clearing 1 path in the same time

[somber sedge]

do u think this space is too tight

[somber sedge]

how so??

[bitter urchin]

They need 2 different time to make 1 cycle meaning they are not going to be always at the same relative distance one another

[dusky dust]

You'd want room to exit on the far end. I'd do something like this if it were me, most likely:

(my original verison of that was slightly prettier but apparently I didn't actually export the dang file; had to recreate it. :D)

Also oops, I see I've got an invalid arrow on the one coming from the bottom there. :D

[somber sedge]

mhm

[bitter urchin]

Might be, don't worry about the antenna. They need extra space while moving because they are going to tilt slightly on their back

[somber sedge]

i get it tho

[somber sedge]

ok let me do that

mann

maybe i should just use this road network for a train instead

[bitter urchin]

Tbo i personally would use your first design and remove the pause nodes

[somber sedge]

this?

[bitter urchin]

No

[bitter urchin]

This

[somber sedge]

this?

but that one wasnt working

[bitter urchin]

Remove the pause nodes on the truck that doesn't need to stop once the path is registered

[somber sedge]

did that

didnt work

[dusky dust]

IME trucks will always stop at a station if they get close enough

Removing stop nodes at the stations has never done anything for me. Then again, I've also long since gotten used to isolating them "properly" so it's admittedly not something I've tried in some time

[bitter urchin]

No they won't, is path based. If their path includes that stop they will

[dusky dust]

Pause nodes just get added right back in, though, yeah? Which is why you can add in refuelling stops

[somber sedge]

welp

i was right, cars ARE useless

im gettting trains asap

[bitter urchin]

If you add a station after the path is registered the path will updates adding the station stop

[dusky dust]

Heh, vehicles are great; just have to know how to work with them

They're always the backbone of my Phase 2 logistics, and I'll continue to add the odd route even in Phases 3+4

They've got a niche even when trains+drones are in the mix

[bitter urchin]

Truck care about saving umanity

[dusky dust]

(I will say that making your own Pioneer-built roads kind of eliminates one of their main advantages, that being a near total absence of required infrastructure. I always just use the map's natural roads. That does limit the kinds of routes you can set up, but IMO it's well worth the tradeoff)

[somber sedge]

remember, my road network comes with built in mk.4 belts. give me one criteria where cars excell the belts on the side

[somber sedge]

maybe i DID waste my time

[dusky dust]

And anecdotally, whenever I've seen people having major vehicle issues, it's been on pioneer-built roads. But maybe that's just a case of the majority of vehicle-using people making roads. Might not be causative. :D

After all if 9 out of 10 Pioneers are building their own roads, then you'd expect 90% of the problem reports in here to be pioneer-built-road-adjacent. :D

[somber sedge]

those mk 4 belts on the side were originally meant for ME

like, so that i could walk faster

[dusky dust]

Heh, nice

[somber sedge]

but i realized they might be able to handle the thruoughput more efficienty than these stupid cars

and plus i wont lose any functionality

[somber sedge]

i dont see ppl do this but i put belts in high foot traffic areas. i have blueprints for catwalks with two belts like this

[bitter urchin]

Rubber/plastic factory empowered by trucks

here i manually removed the central station node

[dull acorn]

Like airport moving sidewalks- brilliant!

[timid meadow]

I've managed to make a factory design in the tools planner that uses 100% of almost every resource

except iron

iron appears to be unloved

now the hard part: making the numbers usable

here's the link for anyone interested. A note, it does require slooping every reanimated SAM constructor as without such there isnt enough sam in the world to make optimal ficsonium, lol

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=NmDeMBv2o8VzPCYKUHi6

[queen umbra]

Damn

[somber sedge]

Yes!!!

[vapid gorge]

Just so you’re aware , using all these resources to end tier won’t be reality even with the best computer.

Even half would be really struggling

[timid meadow]

then my xbox shall die in glory

[frosty owl]

If you reduced the Ficsonium production, you could probably find uses for a lot more Iron ^^
Ficsonium guzzles a ridiculous amount of resources (especially so if compared to the amount of power it makes)

[somber sedge]

i need to get oil products here here and here hmm

i cannot optimally figure out how to produce enough plastic and oil without anything left over

[frosty owl]

Just connect them all and leave some room for byproducts to go to so they don't cap the production of other products
You might want to consider avoiding using recipes needing HOR where you can to make the byproduct math simpler (eg: no HOR for cable)

[somber sedge]

i took first one as x and second as y and got two linear equations and solved for x and y

okay now everything works

wait i realized i didnt have to do all of thar but why is this one producing suboptimal product

[hollow totem]

i should not have come here, my poor brain

[somber sedge]

it should be produing 25

[somber sedge]

fixed!

had to solve for x and y like this

[frosty owl]

That's what I was referring to when I said "leave some room for byproducts": that's the planners' attempt at consuming all the plastic it was given; the plastic was likely "too much" due to how you needed to make more HOR to feed other production lines (eg: cable production)

Kinda disappointing to try helping just to get ignored like that, ngl 🙃

[somber sedge]

i would like to apologize for that

i saw the message and thought i was doing what you said, i didnt realize the importance of the "leave some room for byproducts"

[somber sedge]

by power of math, i got a solution that works

[frosty owl]

Yeah, that works
You should be able to do it all without whipping out equations though... That's kind of the planners' job 😆 (so long as you manage to actually make it do what you want it to do)

[frosty owl]

One "trick" can be connecting one output to a storage container set to "input = output".
Using any HOR output as an example: if it's making too much or too little, instead of trying to tweak the numbers on other nodes, the planner will just pull or push the needed HOR from/to the storage. You can then easily tweak your HOR node on the fly so that the storage doesn't output or input anything (ie: all the numbers match)

I intended to reply to the "byproduct management" message, but I think you get what I meant anyway 😅

[somber sedge]

Huh?let me try this

;like this??

[frosty owl]

No, the container can be left on its own. Eg: plastic output going to all nodes consuming plastic + a container node

As if it was one more consumer

[somber sedge]

????

i am very confused

can you please show visually

[frosty owl]

Let me get to PC

[frosty owl]

I recreated something similar to your plan (a bit simplified).
The only limits I set were for the outputs of the nodes on the Right and, after adding containers, the machine limit to the Plastic node on the bottom. The planner then shows how I'm lacking HOR to make it work (bottom) rather than trying to change the nodes to make numbers match (top)

Oh, just to make sure: we're both using the "manual" mode, right?

@somber sedge A few other variants just because I'm having fun making them...

[somber sedge]

im glad

im considering did i go overboard with thos

[frosty owl]

I usually aim for about "1 machine" worth of output when it comes to things for personal use (unless I use them particularly often or rarely, then I might use more or less machines ofc)

So 10 or 20 ammo/min of each kind would feel enough for me

[somber sedge]

i am very clumsy and have a habit of spam shooting everywhere in my factory for no reason

i kept that in mind

i believe fear keeps my machines working

[bronze cave]

Any point in having 840/m iron ingots produced if my belt capacity is 480? Or do I split production in 2 rows of smelters?

[wind spade]

do you need 840/min?

belt capacity is irrelevant, you can always have more belts

[bronze cave]

I do, yea.. i'll do 2 rows of smelters just to have better organization

[wind spade]

organise it in a way that it fits nicely into next step

so f.e. if you have three places that need ingots, one needing 400, one 240 and one 200, group the smelters into those groups

[bronze cave]

Yeah exactly, I need 2 items out of the smelters, so i'll go for 2 rows and split them as per output needed per each item

And i'll just have the rows of constructors above for each row of smelters

[fickle knoll]

What is your goto al ingot method? Is spending the quartz worth it to save some bauxite?

[wind spade]

I mean... you're the only one who can answer if it's "worth" for you

[hushed silo]

id only consider default recipe when maxing

normaly its too much hustle

[frosty owl]

BTW, I finally remembered to post a picture of the final plan for nuclear, inspired by your moxy yaps @quick gorge ^^
#screenshots message

I'll probably make 4 groups of 8 and one of 6

[hybrid tulip]

I'm watching a smart plating factory video by a YouTube named spectrumdad, and he uses 22 splitters, 41 mk1 conveyer, 10 mk2 conveyer, 4 smelters, 12 constructors, 11 mergers, 6 assemblers, and 3 mk1 lifts, could someone help me with some math to figure out what matierale I need and how much to build all of this?

[summer nexus]

you can just do that in game

[hybrid tulip]

I'm time limited so I'm trying to figure that out before, so I can save time

[hardy sail]

press tab and hover over a building and a plus will appear

either press that plus as many times as you need or type the number in

[hybrid tulip]

Ohhhh

[bronze cave]

What ur available resources?

[hardy sail]

itll then show you material counts on the right hand side

the to-do list is very handy

[hybrid tulip]

I have currently 2 auto smelted impure iron nodes, 1 normal Limestone auto concrete node, and 1 normal auto ingots and wire copper node

I'm setting up the smart plating factory on 2 normal nodes tho

[bronze cave]

Do you know about the calculator?

[hybrid tulip]

Search bar, or acutal website, I know both

I already wasted 2 hours last night building it only to have a rock formation get in thr way of a critical component, so I had to delete it all

[bronze cave]

I suggest using the website, it helps a lot, it also provides materials needed for building but ir wont provide materials needed for logistics (belts, mergers, splitters)

[hybrid tulip]

I was tempted to handcraft the components to the 50 smart plating then use an assembler, and then automate it after tiers 3 and 4 unlock, but I decided doing it before

Also he builds it in fly mode, and I'm ground bound, so it take me twice as long

[bronze cave]

Try to map out the desired space before building and go to higher points, then just use lifts for belts to go up

[hybrid tulip]

Granted it's just a 9 minute video but still

[hybrid tulip]

He says to use a 17x7 foundation

I unlocked concrete structures last night, so I'll probably build it with that

[bronze cave]

Lay that down first to make sure you dont get rockblocked

[hybrid tulip]

Kk

[bronze cave]

Also look around and try to find a higher ground to lay the foundation

[hybrid tulip]

So find a clearing and raise it up with foundations?

Or if it's clear enough just flush with ground?

I don't have ladders yet I don't think so yeah..

Nor stairs.

[bronze cave]

I usually get an idea of where I want my factory. Then I look around for higher grounds and start the foundation from there. After that you build on it and connect belts with lifts

[hybrid tulip]

If I give you my coordinates for the build, could you look at the interactive map and tell me your thoughts?

[bronze cave]

Do you have stackable conveyor poles?

[hybrid tulip]

Nope

[bronze cave]

Then try to find even ground to build your 17x7 foundation

Flat surface

[hybrid tulip]

Kk

[bronze cave]

Im on my phone right now and soon will hit the climbing gym, but if you are that early in the game just find flat ground for that foundation before building anything. Once you get the foundation down, start building on it

Once you get stackable conveyor poles, you can use them with zoop build mode as a ladder

Also consider the fact that recreating a yt video for a build also means you gotta match the resources.. best to build on your own with the calculator website and just get inspired from the yt clip for the build design

[hollow totem]

whats the max lvl of a conveyor

im thinking like
mk3 or 5

[oblique hollow]

6

[hollow totem]

6?

[oblique hollow]

6

[hollow totem]

so like
360/min?

[oblique hollow]

no

[hollow totem]

</3

[oblique hollow]

far more

[hollow totem]

oh?

[quick gorge]

Full Mox with Fics included?
Hell yeah

[hollow totem]

how much more e'-e'

[oblique hollow]

more than 3x

[hollow totem]

over 1k/min is goated

[quick gorge]

Technically not a belt but sure

[hollow totem]

oh

hyper tubes?

[oblique hollow]

huh?
they asked about conveyors

[hollow totem]

i did e'-e'

[oblique hollow]

though in any case, that belt is at the very end of the game

[quick gorge]

Who unironically calls them conveyors?
Belts conveys what's I mean :]

[oblique hollow]

me

[hollow totem]

i would like to make resources go brrrrr

[quick gorge]

Here at Ficsit we use efficiency and use less letters make faster message

[hollow totem]

less word make efficient message

[oblique hollow]

Im efficient by not talking about conveyors 90% of the time but instead talk about pipes

thus saving my words for the TRULY important topics

[hollow totem]

yes, like lizard doggos

[quick gorge]

My death count is in the thousands :)

[hardy sail]

Checking to see if this is doable or if i need to figure something else out.
I was thinking I could just setup the constructors for all three things into a really long manifold instead of worrying about doing all those splits but my brain isn't doing its thing right now, unsure if that would work.. also kinda don't want to do that haha.

[queen umbra]

Do you have mk2 conveyor

[hardy sail]

I'm on mk3

[queen umbra]

Then it's really doable

Just underclock or overclock the constructor and with time it will set itself up

[hardy sail]

Sounds like one really long manifold to me :x

[queen umbra]

Nah

[hardy sail]

sorry its very late, do you think you could uhh

[queen umbra]

Those are kinda long

[hardy sail]

explain a touch more

ah i see haha

just a manifold then.

perfectly doable, might just require some editing of blueprints is all

thank you :P

[queen umbra]

You can manifold as long as you want the only thing that could make it hard are belt

[hardy sail]

yeah thats what I thought but im also absoloutley horrible with things like this sometimes so I wanted to check here first

Manifolds are magical

[queen umbra]

Yeah I never try balancing the thing

[wind spade]

Yes you could

You could also make 3 groups of smelters, each making the desired amount

[fickle knoll]

I mean, spending 1:1 ratio of bauxite to quartz and save 25% bauxite feels very "unsatisfactory".

[wind spade]

Usually I have extra quartz at location, but not extra bauxite

Also there's silica alts

[frosty owl]

And sending some to storage too~
(Future use: feeding vehicles)

[quick gorge]

Do share if there is any problems.
I am overly paranoid with the MOX design 😅

[frosty owl]

It's gonna be a long time before I'll get to the point where I'm testing the facility 😅

[quick gorge]

I think you'll get there first before I get mine up

[rain lichen]

i typed in "83.3333333" (x3 which is supposed to get me exactly 250/min) but i'm wondering; is this the game simply not displaying all the decimals, or does it ACTUALLY limit my production by a small amount?

[frosty owl]

The race is on

[frosty owl]

The precision of the machine follows the clock speed (so, 4 decimals of precision). All the other numbers (like in the input and output fields) follow that and are often rounded in their display

[rain lichen]

do you think this micro-loss in precision will ruin my entire setup? /j 🙃

[frosty owl]

(Base production) x (clock speed) always gives you the correct output, at the precision the game is handling it

[rain lichen]

worst case scenario i just round it up to like 85 each cause it doesnt really matter much for these machines, im just a fiend for precision

[frosty owl]

Depends on how crazy about it you are :P
You can calculate how often you'd see a blip in the power draw if a machine is off by 0.0001% of their production target (so starving or backing up)

[quick gorge]

There is no race 👀

[frosty owl]

Iirc, numbers are on the order of "once every tens of hours" or less

[oblique hollow]

actual interruptions are on the order of "once every few years of actual gametime"

[hollow totem]

when do you unlock like
coal as fuel for power
and like
the nodes to be auto mined

finish phase 1?

[frosty owl]

That seems way off
A few thousands hours should be the max (minimum being tens or hundreds iirc). A year is what, tens of thousands?

[hollow totem]

24*365

1 year is 8760 hours

can include that 1/4 to make 8766

[frosty owl]

Automatic miners are unlocked in Tier 0
Coal power is Tier 3 (phase 2)

[hollow totem]

ah i see

but all the coal things i see
js dont break seemingly

would they turn into a node once i can do that?

[frosty owl]

I don't understand what you're saying

[hollow totem]

the coal big rock bits right
sorta like the iron / copper ones

they dont break
like the iron and copper ones
then you can use whats under as a node

i cant seem to break the one for coal

would i be able to after i unlock the coal stuffs

[frosty owl]

Ore deposits are different from nodes. You can only place miners on nodes (the ones you can mine infinitely, flat on the ground)

[hollow totem]

ah so i js havent see a coal node yet

[frosty owl]

Ie: if your resource scanner doesn't pick it up, it's not a "node"

[frosty owl]

Probably

[hollow totem]

conveyors in floors still function
interesting

thought theyd adjust when placing and use poles where needed

[timid meadow]

I'm aware, but one of my goals for the world is full optimal ficsonium. I know I could do something ridiculous like 60 ballistic warp drives were I to eschew it, but thats just one of the goals atm.

[rain lichen]

here's to hoping this pipe manifold wont have unforeseen consequences.

yes i know the upper pipe isn't perfectly leveled, i simply don't care enough to fix it 💔

[rain lichen]

this is probably my most efficient save yet, in terms of power usage relative to max consumption (ignore the, ehh, incident)

[cerulean stratus]

idk what youre expecting that upper loop to do

[quaint condor]

It's a way to put the fluids in a loop. Helps to prevent the "main feed" line from suffering from the "pressure" drop from pipe segments not being full. Biggest reason straight manifolds, only feeding from one end, should not be used for more than 2, maybe 3 machines if trying to "max out" 600 flow

[cerulean stratus]

i see

Anyways
I'm kinda stuck in my world and idk how to really unstuck myself

can anyone give me a help

[quaint condor]

In what way?

[cerulean stratus]

im trying to make thermal rockets and unsure what the best way to go make them is

[quaint condor]

Have you tried/used https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production or https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/ to try and "plan it out" ?

[cerulean stratus]

yep

I think I'm getting overwhelmed with the amount of things I need to do

[quaint condor]

I used to get that way a lot until I started overclocking everything for less machines and after making "single machine" blueprints, setup in my perferred logistical style (Under the floor), and started using those.

Saved so much time, and can place things down just for "messing with the layout". Then being made into blueprints, I can easily delete and rearrange if I didn't like it, before connecting together.

Examples: #screenshots message #screenshots message

[cerulean stratus]

Ok so

• I need more rcus
• More ECM rods
• I need to make some rotors, and stators then
• Some copper sheets and qw for the ai limiters

[quaint condor]

Trying to decide on expansion vs just building them elsewhere?

[cerulean stratus]

I already have most of it here so it has to be expansion

[quaint condor]

Ahh.

I unfortunately don't have much advice. Though I can sympathize with the struggles 😛

[cerulean stratus]

ok I think I'm good now

at least I can make the turbo motors

so I got an idea. Kind of a bad idea

what if I centralize the resources

So the whole thing's based off of
in, buffer, out

[kind elbow]

that good enough or would I need more?

oh my days forgot one pic

[slow fjord]

Forget liquid trains. And liquid packaging and liquid air

Liquid supply drop

https://tenor.com/view/supply-drop-humvee-drop-gif-13892247

[safe bridge]

what are these rocks? and why can't i place anything near them?

[kind elbow]

you can destroy em using nobelisks

[safe bridge]

Is it an entrance to a cave that they're blocking

[kind elbow]

possibly

[cedar folio]

Some cover mining nodes and other small things. Some rocks block caves and others just block the natural roads around the map. Just gotta blow them up.

[safe bridge]

i have a feeling that after spending all this time in the desrt biome, it might be the worst one for me

[slow fjord]

I took the training wheels off my new guy and he builds a massive orange fuel power facility that doesn't work even after that massive hair cut I gave it. What was I thinking? Lmao. It looks amazing. If only it ran as good as it looks. Now I'm choosing to show him the proper way to do it. Measure twice cut once not measure once cut twice...

[hushed silo]

measure bounce cut ice

[slow fjord]

You can't load balance a fuel operation that takes 4800 fuel to power the facility on orange fuel lmao

[hushed silo]

whatever u wanna think

[novel yarrow]

im setting up my first "large scale" coal power facility but cant seen to get my water to split among my pipelines evenly to keep all 8 of them powered at once; once my pipes get to the junctions between my generators the input into the generators isnt great enough to keep them running perpetually, any advice?

usually 2-4 alternate to be running and it keeps my pumps and extractors running but i cant seem to fill the generators enough to sustain it

[quaint condor]

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[quaint condor]

Take a look at that shot there, and assess your plumbing for starters. make sure to mind headlift

[novel yarrow]

i just found something similar, wonderful, thank you

[somber sedge]

it looks very well done

[rain lichen]

what's the optimal way for dealing with fluid outputs?
i know machines should be fed from above, but are there any specific "rules" on their outputs?

[tropic glacier]

I have a question guys, is it smart to build a bus or multiple of them through the world like in factorio?

[wind spade]

well "optimal" may mean practically anything, but usually anything that's gravity fed tends to work well

[wind spade]

no, the general approach in Satisfactory is completely different. You can do a bus, but it's very annoying to do so

[rain lichen]

buses dont really have a use here, as opposed to factorio

[tropic glacier]

ok thanks, I just wanted to know if there was some new meta or smth idk, I havent played for a while

[wind spade]

busses never were meta

[queen umbra]

I got a question should I build a big uranium set all in one place where I get 7.2uranium fuel rode and then in the set up it takes the 360 uranium waste for it to work?
Or 2 seperate set up one making uranium fuel rode and another processing the waste

[rain lichen]

that's up to you tbh
pure personal preference afaik

[queen umbra]

I don't have personal preference yet

But idk if I build all in one how will it start up

[wind spade]

I mean you're still the only one who can decide 😉

[queen umbra]

I think it will be a lot easier to do 2 separate factory cause it will use "less" raw ressources

[rain lichen]

not really, it's just more spread out

and less intensive on your computer

[vague hawk]

I'm currently building a bunch of factories to produce "just enough" of the basic parts so I don't have to wait 10 mins for them to refill all the time and I first settled on 60/min since it sounded reasonable for Iron Plates, Iron Rods, Copper Sheets, etc... but 60 Modular Frames/min and 60 Reinforced Iron Plates/min does sound very overkill... what would you guys settle for ?

[rain lichen]

you do NOT need that many RIPS or modular frames lol

not for personal use atleas

[vague hawk]

yeah it took me a little while to figure that out 😅

[rain lichen]

my current "personal use" factory is making 25 modular frames/min and 30 reinforced plates/min, as well as 30 motors/min, all of which is already more than most people are gonna be using for regular use

[vague hawk]

so 20 sounds like an easier thing to achieve, right ? not too much but still just enough so you don't have to wait

[rain lichen]

i'd say so yeah

60/min for the most basic parts is fine tho, not a hassle and having more than enough iron plates never hurt anybody

just make sure you have a lot of concrete being made
never sleep on the concrete 💔

also this has to be my most power efficient save so far lmao
only on phase 3 but still, nearly all my factories running consistently is a sight to behold

[vague hawk]

I'll keep that in mind, thanks
on a side note, what's with those absurd numbers I see content creators go for like "24,000 copper/min" or whatever ? is it tied to the later tiers requiring this much to get like 10, 20, 30... of the later parts/min ?

I can handle hundreds or thousands of items per min but 1k or 2k sounds like a lot already

[rain lichen]

for the copper, it's undeniably tied to one of the space elevator parts for Phase 4 and 5, requiring ridiculous amounts of copper

Kibitz did a project to automate just 60/min of that part, which required a large majority of the entire map's copper supply

[vague hawk]

geez that sounds even more absurd now

[wind spade]

well, it's for content 🙂 it's definitely not something people should do

[vague hawk]

I just assumed everyone had to go through this at some point

[rain lichen]

alright how do i calculate what clockspeed i need on fuel generators to burn x amount of fuel/minute?

like if i wanna set them to consume 48.25 fuel/min, how should i calculate that?

[cerulean stratus]

a 3 simple rule should work

I think the base fuel was 20 per min

[rain lichen]

yup
250% is 50/min

[cerulean stratus]

so 20 per min - 100%
48.25 - x

x = 100*48.25/20

241.25

[cerulean stratus]

actually, you can set them to consume 48.25 fuel per min

[rain lichen]

you can?

[wind spade]

[want]/[normal]*100

[cerulean stratus]

i actually haven't played this is a while hold on

[rain lichen]

"want" being how much i need it to consume, and "normal" being how much it consumes at 100%, right?

[wind spade]

so this would be 48.25/20*100, so 241.25%

[wind spade]

yeah

[cerulean stratus]

ok you can't, your can only set the target mw

[wind spade]

I'd rathet set the clock speed directly tbh

[mint coral]

@novel condor I like find sam nodes early to do this with.

[somber sedge]

how would i calculate the amount of canisters i need in this system to keep it flowinf smoothly

is it exactly 800?

or double maybe?

[dusky dust]

I find Modeller graphs basically impossible to read, but I assume that's a packaged diluted fuel loop?

[somber sedge]

yes!

is triple of 800 ok?

[dusky dust]

Okay, so: my recommendation is always to do them in "closed" loops of 2x Packager + 1x Refinery. In that setup you just need like 20-30 Empty Packages per loop. One possible layout which fits in a 4x4 blueprinter:

Slap that in a blueprint and you can even include those 20-30 Empty Packages right inside the input buffer for the Packaged Water packager

Becomes a one-click mini-blender. Takes in HOR+Water, spits out Fuel. If you clock it at 100% that'll be a 60/min Fuel output

Trying to merge all the packaging stuff together into a manifold is creating a lot more work for yourself, and can be frustrating to get tuned properly

[somber sedge]

um bad news, im this far in

too late to change now

[dusky dust]

Well, never too late to change. :) I suspect that the amount of time you're going to spend debugging + tweaking will be longer than if you rejiggered it into isolated loops

But if you want to go ahead: sure, just start adding pacakages and see how it goes

As I say, it'll probably take a fair amount of time to even out, though it is possible, of course

[somber sedge]

damn

welp

[dusky dust]

(I mean, I'm probably being overly discouraging here. Plenty of folks have done packaged-diluted-fuel setups just like you're setting up, and they've ended up working fine. :)

Just about anything in the game is possible! Just 'cause I'm recommending something doesn't mean you've gotta take the recommendation. :)

Some other folks may be able to provide more guidance about total package counts for a "combined" setup like that. It's something I don't really have much experience with 'cause I've always done isolated loops, though.

[queen umbra]

You use the blue crater to make diluted fuel?

[somber sedge]

yay

thank you for your help

[somber sedge]

where else??

[strange scroll]

Currently working on a rocket fuel factory in the crater

[queen umbra]

Idk the crater is good for turbofuel

[steady violet]

does satisfactory disable steam achievements if you copy and paste a structure in your world using the SF calculator website?

[wind spade]

no

tho did you really achieve something if you save edited? 🤔

[steady violet]

i would save myself like 5 hours of building a copy of an existing 936 aluminum ingot per minute factory

[wind spade]

sure, buth then again, I wouldn't like to get achievements for save editing

[steady violet]

fair

[cerulean stratus]

So I'm thinking
This is a system where manifolds are supported by belts of different hierarchies

[pastel obsidian]

~ 2 stacks for each refinery is what i do check up on in a few hours later to fix it , you need them to overflow like an iron ore smelter.

[agile field]

do any of you know the best place to make an ionised fuel plant at

idk if this is the right channel but

[wind spade]

near resources you need for it 🙂

(though some people do not recommend ionised for power)

[agile field]

would rocket or turbofuel work better because i have 2 turbofuel plants atm and i want to remake it with rocket fuel or ionised

[wind spade]

I personally prefer normal fuel and then nuclear

but honestly, anything is fine if you like it

[agile field]

im doing both
im on a server with a friend and were currently trying to do basically an entire overhaul at the moment

[wind spade]

ah the classic "rebuild everything instead of keeping old and building new" 😄

[agile field]

we did keep our old stuff for a while its just that its getting too messy and harder to maintain so were trying to rebuild it

we kept it until phase 4

[pastel obsidian]

Build it where you have your rocket fuel you can bring in shards from elsewhere.

[agile field]

im trying to rebuild our power in general and i want to know what place is closest to all the materials for rocket / ionised fuel so it doesnt need porting over

[pastel obsidian]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#4.25;170813;247068|gameLayer|oilImpure;oilNormal;oilPure;sulfurImpure;sulfurNormal;sulfurPure;coalImpure;coalNormal;coalPure;nitrogenGasWellImpure;nitrogenGasWellNormal;nitrogenGasWellPure;samImpure;samNormal;samPure

[carmine jay]

thats not that far in
itll suck yeah but ive torn down bigger

[wind spade]

Depends on recipes and such

[barren lance]

Is this a good power plant for the beginning of the second phase? It produces 16,200 MW off of 1200m^3 oil/min with no alternative recipies. And, is there any way that I can change this to be better in the future?

I am not sure if this looks like a clean design or not, I am kinda new to the game

[digital sequoia]

Whats the porpouse of this blueprint? I dont get it

[barren lance]

Is this supposed to be represented as how it is right now or is it suppose to be merged with. If there's supposed to be a splitter on the left side and a merger on the right then I can see how it could be a system to load balence or provide a buffer. Otherwise, I imagine this as being a system or way of representing items. For example, if you were really bored then you can take some mercer sheres and put them into this loop, then, if you have enough, you can make each of those 3 conveyors (middle) to be 60/min or mk. 1 so that you can display your items. So, if you were in the late game and if you want to use power slugs, somersloops, or potentially any other type of material or item as display you can just put it in there at a certain speed (conveyor mark) and display it however fast you would like to. This could potentially be modular via deleting or adding an additional layer as needed.

[digital sequoia]

I totally got it, but my friend here who is a 5 year old guy, he doesn’t get it, can you dumb it down for my 5 year old friend?

[barren lance]

It's a fancy way of displaying items that you can customize to how you would like.

It takes a little bit of examining to fully get and a small amount of ratios and thinking but once you have it down then it's pretty cool

[digital sequoia]

Oh, i thought it would be something much more complicated since its in the top downloaded blueprints

[barren lance]

I was wrong

I feel kinda stupid but I get it now

Basically, it's a method of turning a random input (such as trains or other vehicles) into a constant output. So how it works is there are items inputed into the sides of the logistics and those merg into 3 different lanes. Then, the output in the right side of the image basically makes a loop that allows the system to fully loop back so that the resources aren't going anywhere

Then, as you need to take resources from the buffer, all you need to do is expand off of the splitters to the right

Essentially, it's a buffer for resources from a non-stable source such as a train when compared to a source that is constant such as a miner. Although, you can use it as a fancy display case if you tweak it.

[barren lance]

Does that make sense?

[digital sequoia]

It took me a minute, but yes

[south bluff]

I thought vertical splitters don’t work in blueprints (have to be remade after placing blueprints).

Anyway it’s wild to me that people download blueprints instead of making their own.

[cerulean stratus]

Honestly I've been repeating the same bps so many times

[frosty owl]

Btw, in case you missed the funfact @wind spade
When machines can change recipe automatically (eg: power generators), using sushi manifolds can have one weird benefit: if one uses normal splitters instead of smart ones, they can greatly reduce the manifold fill time xD
The order of which method reaches 100% faster then becomes (from fastest):

• Load balancing
• Dumb sushi manifold
• Smart manifold (sushi or not)
• Non-sushi manifold(s)

(This is due to the generators needing to get just a few items in their inventory before items back up on the belts behind)

[cerulean stratus]

hey ven
What do you think of limiting a belt with trash so the overflow can go somewhere else?

[somber sedge]

🔥

The package logistics are fairly complex

[glass flicker]

@barren lance get some alternative recipes, you can turn 600 m^3 crude in to 144,000 MW

I'll have a quick squint and see what can be done without alternate recipes.

crude into fuel, into turbo fuel, into rocket fuel, into fuel generator is 33,333 MW off 600m^3 of crude.

skipping rocket fuel and burning turbo fuel is 11,111 MW off the same crude.

skipping turbo and just burning fuel gives 5,000 MW

[hardy sail]

Feel like im getting something wrong here

[glass flicker]

what are you trying to do?

[hardy sail]

splitting four hundered copper wire into constructors to output cables

[glass flicker]

gimme a mo

[hardy sail]

oh wait nevermind LOL i had the wrong recipe selected

[glass flicker]

lol

[hardy sail]

sall good totally user error

sorry i probably need to take a break ive been at this for a few hours

[glass flicker]

I use Satisfactory Modeller

(on a 2nd PC 😄 )

[hardy sail]

ive got the calculator running on my second monitor but to be honest even with that you couldnt fix the sort of thing going on with me

[somber sedge]

is this how you would set up a station??

[vapid gorge]

It’s a way. Little worried your tracks are too close though

[frosty owl]

I'm not sure of what you mean
Can you give an example?

[cerulean stratus]

Like putting in 170 screws a minute on a MK3 so you can only output 100, and the rest goes elsewhere

This way you can do like 100 steel here, 130 there

Should be useful if you're using trains

[somber sedge]

ive tested it, the trains do not collide in the parallel rails

[fickle knoll]

Anybody interested in discussing a battery production chain with me?

Satisfactory Calculator tells me that i need ≈ 600 oil for classic batteries (200/min) but i would like to discuss how much it can be optimised.

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=S5UjdIO0vP55ZfLLrMSD

[fickle knoll]

Thanks! Did you do it yourself or it did the schematics? I actually haven't used tools a lot. And this seems like a hard one to make!

[somber sedge]

i never understood the physics behind why this works, is it because the water in the higher pipe has less pressure in it?
im guessing the way pipes work, at a junction, the pipe with fluid experiencing the greatest pressure takes priority,
so making the higher pipe go up causes it to decrease pressure making it less priority than the one thats not changed elivation

is my understanding correct?

[vapid gorge]

Recycled plastic and rubber is pretty simple 🙂 just use the resin as the starter rubber and feed all the fuel until you have your amount

If you ever need both plastic and rubber as a final out I highly recommend doing two independent factories instead of mixing

Also I just plugged in the 4 alt recipes for rubber and plastic - it’s very resource efficient so the planner will always use it

Most of the time though I’ll uncheck the base recipes to force a path

[vapid gorge]

It’s literally an exploit
One that doesn’t work all the time

Just black magic

[fickle knoll]

Actually, i realised it. What was more offputting was not the feedback loops but rather the nasty ratios.

[vapid gorge]

Ratios are meaningless when clocking exists

[somber sedge]

oh... i thought i was cooking

[vapid gorge]

Just an unreliable exploit that could die if they ever tweak pipe mechanics

[somber sedge]

what should i do then

is the pressure thing atleast slightly correct?

[vapid gorge]

If it’s for bauxite or similar have two sets of machines

One that runs off fresh
One that runs off waste

Just clock the groups

[somber sedge]

no thanks

[vapid gorge]

Up to you but it’s both thr simplest and most reliable option

[fickle knoll]

It's just a player needs to accept that a decent looking output needs awkward inputs. Or a decent looking input gives awkward outputs. The first case prevents complete utilisation of a node. The second is that if I'm gonna use the outputs as inputs for other recipes then they won't get 100% utilisation otherwise the chain propagates.

[vapid gorge]

I guess increase how many batteries you want to make? But trying to make productions use whole entire nodes for everything is pretty pointless.

You’ll never use all the resources on the map anyway

Plus nothing stops you from making a different factory later with the rest of the node so you’ll never waste it

[somber sedge]

ili might just coal the water

[summer flare]

That's an old idea that's been around for years - using "filler" items to determine distribution or rate of another.
There's generally more practical methods to achieve the same result.

[vapid gorge]

Thats more piping more water and more work for no real reason?

Clocking is the single most powerful tool you have

And splitting it is very simple

[fickle knoll]

Try experimenting. Feed the used water into the main loop itself. Prime the pipeline with water first, then let the machines run. Clock the pump to match the net requirement i.e. (Water to make alumina - water given in scrap production)

[vapid gorge]

Thats an even more unreliable option than VIPs and falls over at the slightest hiccup

[fickle knoll]

How so?

[vapid gorge]

Fluids are bidirectional and this will easily clog thr outputs

Pipes are not belts

[fickle knoll]

Hm, then my working example is an outlier and not the norm?

[vapid gorge]

Yes and possibly not working well because ime people are bad at noticing stutters

But a miracle it hasn’t completely clogged

Don’t sneeze on it

[fickle knoll]

I know fluids are bidirectional, and also know that fluids collide against valves and get a flow fate reduction, but why won't valving the feedback pipe work?

[vapid gorge]

Valves are not good at stoping back flow

Fluids collide through them

[fickle knoll]

I mean I was been getting a consistent ingot production while i was testing.

[fickle knoll]

Through? So they do pass?

[somber sedge]

ideally id like that, but its not reliable

[vapid gorge]

Sure - but as mentioned direct input of waste into fresh can easily fall over

And they don’t pass through thr valve backwards, but they knock thr fluid behind it backwards

Which is basically the same thing

[vapid gorge]

What’s your issue with just keeping it split?

[somber sedge]

it doesnt feel right

its not- satisfactory

[vapid gorge]

.. how?

[somber sedge]

ba-dum-kshhhhh

[vapid gorge]

It’s efficient and reliable

And uses the main mechanic of the game

[somber sedge]

hmm, maybe i misundersood, can you explain what youre talking about?

[vapid gorge]

Bottom refineries are solution

Top is scrap
Blue is fresh , red is waste

Thats it. Instead of the blue and red pipe being connected, they aren’t

It might look a bit different depending on which recipes you use, but it’s basically the same for any combo

These are example ratios for dif recipes

You don’t have to do the layouts exactly the same though

Anyway, going to bed, gl

[vapid gorge]

Oh also, if you want to do direct input again, use a powered pump. Slightly more reliable in my experience

[somber sedge]

ill look into it thanks

[unique cypress]

It works (at least partially) thanks to a bug in the way junctions are handled

For some inane reason, they're treated like a pipe with 4 connections, but they left the connection height code the same, which means a junction, like a pipe, has just 2 possible heights it can have its outputs at. Even though that's rarely the case for a junction. (And it can have anywhere from 1-4 different heights depending on orientation)

I don't know what happens in the code exactly, but a junction oriented at any angle other than horizontal has some truly non-euclidean dimensions, which combined with normal (and mostly sensible) pipe code makes the VIP work like it does

[somber sedge]

hm i can double my production, should i choose to add 360 coal to my system, should i do it? im in the desert btw. do i even need this much heavy frames

[unique cypress]

11.25/min is a sensible amount for personal use

But tbh so is 5.625

[somber sedge]

whenever a resource requirement exceeds 300, i get worried i might be using up everything

like, what if i run out of coal in the late game yk

idk how much resources there exist in this game

[unique cypress]

There's like 40000 coal to be had

[somber sedge]

ok wow

[unique cypress]

Plus, if you really want to, you can make HMFs without coal

Though I wouldn't recommend it if you have easy access to coal

[somber sedge]

i see

[somber sedge]

im in the desert

theres some coal close by

next to the water, which i need to train anyways

oh btw, im choo choo ing the water

[unique cypress]

There are 2 deserts, but both have a nice spot with coal, iron, limestone and water to build HMFs at

[somber sedge]

there are two?

[unique cypress]

Dune desert and rocky desert

[somber sedge]

sorry its my first time going so far from the plains

[somber sedge]

im in the onr with a bunch of sand

[fickle knoll]

Only get worried if you're using 3000 of a resource. For example I'm gonna use 3000 bauxite

And bauxite is MUCH less than coal. So i believe at some point in the game I'll have to extract all bauxite. The game is hungry for aluminium.

[rain lichen]

how do yall land on a production rate for aluminum fluid tanks when making a centralized factory for it? do you just guesstimate how many you'll need?

[vapid gorge]

Well most of the time you don’t really need a constant production

You reuse them
The few production lines that consume the containers you make them on site abd however many you need for the final product

[oblique hollow]

Fluid Tanks are completely optional so unless im doing packaged fluids / gasses that rate is 0

[somber sedge]

hi sorry but how am i supposed to construct this in game??? i need iron to go four ways and its not in any uniform ratio

[fickle knoll]

Use a manifold, supply is limited by consumption.

[dusky dust]

Yeah, manifold is one way. If it's anything but raw ores, the other thing to do is just have four separate banks of machines producing exactly what that specific source needs (overclocking/underclocking as necessary)

Obviously for ores you've basically just got manifolding

[somber sedge]

i dont have a belt fast enough to handle the 1000 iron im producing

ill need to split it atleast into 3 belts, (480 + 480 + 120)

then what do i do

or i could do this

[slender sundial]

i need like 8 to 5 balancer, but i have no idea how to do it. I didnt find any blueprint either

3840 into 5 belts of 768

[fickle knoll]

Use the modular load balancers mod (easy) or make a 8 to 8 load balancer and only take out 6 outputs.

[slender sundial]

dont really want mods and wdym take out 6

[fickle knoll]

Make a 8 to 8 load balancer. Connect all inputs to input ports. Connect 6 outputs to 6 of the 8 output ports. That is, leave 2 output ports unused. You'll get a balanced output.

[fickle knoll]

This seems to be a better approach since you don't have the belt speed to carry all iron.

[fickle knoll]

I suggest to not try to make a 8 to 8 load balancer since that needs 64 connections. What's your belt limit?

[oblique hollow]

What material are you making / processing and why is it 768/min each

[slender sundial]

mk5

[slender sundial]

aluminum factory

[oblique hollow]

And where do the 768/min come from

[slender sundial]

just did some sketchy match and made blueprints that take 384 baux and 384 scrap and 384 ingots

i dont really know what i cooked

[oblique hollow]

Honestly: 🇱

[slender sundial]

think i tried to auto round machines because i had coming in 3840 bauxite

[oblique hollow]

You could have picked a neater number and the just had the last bit be ugly

like idk 240/min

which IS a factor of 3840

And so is 480

[slender sundial]

yeah i guess xd

[oblique hollow]

8 x 480

[slender sundial]

i found a blueprint for 8 to 8 balancer, i took 5 out into machines and 3 remaining i just merged back into 8 inputs

[slender sundial]

first time trying big projects so next time ill def not do some freaky number

[unique cypress]

split each of the 8 input belts into 5 equal ones (40 total), then merge 1 belt from each of the original ones, repeat 5 times

[frosty owl]

Tbh, I don't quite see the appeal, even with trains... "normal" load balancing or just merging machines clocked appropriately seem just as good but less cumbersome

[cerulean stratus]

the appeal is having the programmable splitters people wanted

[frosty owl]

From your description, I just picture a (overall) more complex balancer though

"more complex" than standard load-balancing

[uneven torrent]

Okay how do I get it to have multiple foundries/constructors/assemblers instead of only having 1 and underclocking them

[wind spade]

generally I wouldn't recommend SCIM for later productions, as it fails to show many of the "optimal" builds. Though if you still choose to use it anyway, that's your choice 🙂 (but you've been warned)

[uneven torrent]

I'm just not good at designing my own factories I get overwhelmed by all the numbers too easily

[wind spade]

sure, but there are other planners

one of which you've been linked in #satisfactory

[vapid gorge]

much like hte link I linked to you. here's one for 1 motor pm which looks like whats in the image? https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=3P9IiqOZyneJJz1LfXfi

[uneven torrent]

how do I switch it to quickwire stators?

[vapid gorge]

go into recipes

on the right you see base recipes - uncheck Stator

on the left search for stator or quick - check quickwire stator

[uneven torrent]

How do I split exactly 45 in game

cause A spilitter will just do 50/50 which will result in the foundry having too much and the smelter having too little

[vapid gorge]

it'll self balance

that's what manifolds do

once one side fills up it over flows to the next

[uneven torrent]

oh that makes sense

thank you

[vapid gorge]

you can in fact just have the smelters and foundries on the same belt. No need for 2 manifolds even

[unborn dome]

Is Ficsonium fuel with default recipes always net-negative energy? Or is that only if you try to overclock/sloop to reduce the number of machines? Or are alt recipes required for it to be net-positive energy?

[vapid gorge]

I believe it's always shitty positive? you absolutely don't make it for power

It seems like it's punishment for people who were complaining about having plutonium waste that was completely avoidable

should have been worse punishment imo

[unborn dome]

That's kinda what I was thinking too. Like the point isn't really to be net-positive, it's to get rid of the waste.

[vapid gorge]

which imo just sink the p rods or use them as vehicle fuel

[unborn dome]

Yeah I'm currently just sinking them. But if I do need more power, I'd just burn the plutonium and take whatever I get from the ficsonium, whatever it ends up being. If it costs a few GW to not have waste, so be it. Just as long as it's not an obscene net-negative or something.

[vapid gorge]

I'd also just make more uranium rods xD

much simpler

[queen umbra]

I've almost finished my uranium fuel rode factory and I wonder if I should sloop a fully overclock manufacturer to make more rode ( normally I would make 7.2 rode/ min and if sloop 8.2 rode/min) what's y'all thought?

[unborn dome]

You'd need extra waste processing too

[vapid gorge]

sure, still not as annoying as ficsonium

[vapid gorge]

if you want more rods sure? I don't like duping mechanics personally

[queen umbra]

It's seems easy

[unborn dome]

Yeah I've used sloops only very sparingly. Like maybe 2-3 places where I didn't properly account for future capacity when I built the factory and didn't want to mess with it

[queen umbra]

Because I don't know if I want my power to rely on somersloop

[unborn dome]

Just a bunch of extra steps and inputs to make plutonium fuel rods out of it

[dusky dust]

The real question is what else you want to use your sloops for. :)

[unborn dome]

All the power augmenters ever?

[vapid gorge]

duping power basically does the same thing

[queen umbra]

What do the power augmenter do

[unborn dome]

Free 500 MW of power for nothing, and 10% boost to your overall production

[vapid gorge]

it dupes power.

[unborn dome]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Alien_Power_Augmenter

[queen umbra]

So I I have 100MW I get 610MW for free?

[unborn dome]

Yeah basically

And then much much later in the game (tier 9), you can feed it a high-end item to boost that 10% bonus to 30%

But yeah, basically free power for minimal effort, unless you count the effort to take it from 10% to 30%

The main effort is finding enough sloops to research and build it

[queen umbra]

I'm tier 9lol

[unborn dome]

And if you have 1000 MW, building that gets you up to 1600

But didn't research it?

[queen umbra]

No not yet I don't know I didn't get a lot of stuff in the mam unless the essential

[unborn dome]

Ah, yeah, just get everything in the MAM

[queen umbra]

But I unlock tier 9 but I wait before unlocking a milestone I want to finish my nuclear power plant

[queen umbra]

I feel like a lot is useless or too hard to get for nothing

[dusky dust]

I mean, anything in MAM just requires stuff that you're presumably already making anyway, to unlock

I wouldn't classify anything in there as hard to unlock once you've got a factory going for whatever's required for the unlocks

[queen umbra]

It takes 10 somersloop to build damn I only have like 15 somersloop

[dusky dust]

(I'd also strongly disagree with the "useless" statement, though I agree that there's some stuff in there that I personally don't really care about. Most of the Object Scanner ones, for instance)

[unborn dome]

^

[queen umbra]

All the medicinal stuff I never used

I got scared today a elite gas stinger jump at me

[dusky dust]

That's like three items out of a pool that's otherwise practically nothing but gravy. :)

[unborn dome]

You can build as many of the augmenters as you have sloops, too, just stacks that free power up

[dusky dust]

And that at least boils down to personal preference. Plenty of folks find the inhaler recipes useful

[queen umbra]

I have 2 stack of berry

[queen umbra]

That'll be useful

[vapid gorge]

just build more power. Power has always been very easy in this game

[dusky dust]

Heh, I may have miscounted slightly but inhalers make up less than 5% of the MAM unlocks. :)

[queen umbra]

Very easy you say?

[cerulean stratus]

Ok today I played the skyblock mod
And found something new thanks to it

[vapid gorge]

yeah?
if you need lots of power, use the base nuclear recipes. That's more than 200gw easily done.

[fickle knoll]

Is it okay that the throughput counter has fluctuations in it's reading in the form T ± x where I'm making T items per minute and x is relatively small?

[vapid gorge]

Check your machines - are they running right? if so ignore the counters.

[south bluff]

I’ve never really played beyond the need for rocket fuel, let alone the power augmentor 10 sloops can be used so much better on project parts

[frosty owl]

You need to make almost 3 Uranium Rods/min for an Augmenter to make sense ^^
(Ie: with less power being made, one would be better off just slooping the Manufacturers making Rods with 10 Sloops)

[oblique hollow]

Depending on the machine recipe speed and the belt speed, the throughput counter might not have enough historic data to calculate an average throughout thats accurate enough because it only stores 60 s of data.

If the recipes are very slow then the old data gets wiped in the meantime

so it fluctuates around more

[queen umbra]

I make 7.2

[midnight frigate]

Recently. I've found that the awesome sink is the best troubleshooting tool for production lines. I just run my belts into the awesome sink with the throughput monitor to find if my expected production is matching. it's helped me disover so many issues

And yeah I have a ton of coupons now 🙂

[tropic hawk]

Are short segments of mk 6 belts reliable? Such as from a miner into a nearby splitter

[frosty owl]

I think it's fair to say that the fewer segments a belt has, the more reliable it is (no matter how long the individual segments are), but I'm not sure how important that actually is nowadays...

[tropic hawk]

I'm just doing some pen and paper math, and trying to see if I can account for a certainty of a 1200 i/min output from a miner into a splitter that has two mk 5s that take it the rest of the way

[frosty owl]

I haven't ran tests, but also haven't heard complaints about throughput other than when floor holes or specific nodes were involved...
I think you can "safely" disregard such considerations

(Floor holes may cause throughout issues, I don't recall their current status exactly)

[hoary pulsar]

I produce 1800 of rocket fuel are there any problems if I'm going to use 432 generators at 100% even if at a mathematical level I should use 431,9999 given the very little difference?

[frosty owl]

One/two generator should eventually briefly turn off every now and then... Wether that's worth of worry or not is for you to decide, but I'm doubtful you'd find it to be a noticeable error ^^

[hoary pulsar]

Even for this small difference….😩😩😩

[frosty owl]

Ie: it'd be hard to spot such inprecision even from the power graph, as it would happen so infrequently that it would only show sometimes on the graph (the graph shows the past ~60 seconds)

[hoary pulsar]

In gonna leave 1% from a poor generator

[frosty owl]

You could downclock one generator and package the overflow for personal use or just sink

[hoary pulsar]

I already have a section for personal usage

[dense glen]

Hey y'all, I tore down my starter factory and am trying to make my first proper assembly line. I have two pure iron nodes running into eight smelters. What are good layouts to run this into?

[vapid gorge]

1 miner to 4 smelters seems reasonable?

[dense glen]

They're pure nodes so each smelter should be getting 30 iron per minute once they're filled up

[vapid gorge]

sure. You can generally over clock normal nodes to your belt limit too so get used to talking about parts per min 🙂

an example of 4 efficiently fed smelters 🙂 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1456102935988539496/image.png?ex=697a14c9&is=6978c349&hm=df174e1d08cfe70a8a26143dc0de6a192cbc15fde13a689b872661d3ccbb5aff&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[dense glen]

true. I only have mk2 belts unlocked so far so this works.

[dense glen]

Anyone have a good factory layout for modular frames off 120 iron per minute?

[vapid gorge]

use a planner to make a plan like this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=VJqrkQUVnXwWYifL2HD4

[safe bridge]

this is my powe setup

i don't understand why i'm only getting output fro 5 of the 8 coal generators

[vapid gorge]

overhead shot of the whole thing? photomode helps

[safe bridge]

hows that?

i have coal and water and power going to each one

it can put out 600mw, but it's only putting out 375mw

3 water extractors going to 8 coal generators

[vapid gorge]

P for photo mode

but it looks like you have 1 pipe moving the water

[safe bridge]

that is from the photomode

[vapid gorge]

how much water does 8 generators need pm?

[safe bridge]

pm?

[vapid gorge]

per min

[safe bridge]

oh

i don't know

[vapid gorge]

gotta math

critical to have smooth producing systems

[safe bridge]

i followed a guide off the wiki

yes

[vapid gorge]

that seems unlikely since this doesn't look like any of hte layouts

so how much does 1 coal gen need pm for water?

[safe bridge]

i kind of adopted it a little