math-and-meta

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=hFabWaGCRRVNs3d2iIri

[gleaming glacier]

I think the modeler doesn't have ability to allocate the resources properly

[vapid gorge]

it's a weird manual system. The only reason it's popular is because it's on steam.

For the same reason games that aren't put on steam are dead in the water even if they are amazing. It's ease of access

[gleaming glacier]

I need 25 in total to make 5 ACU but the modeler decides that the wiring requires the most amount of iron to make the wiring

[vapid gorge]

You only need 25 automated wirings pm? well that's easy according to tools at least

[gleaming glacier]

Automated Speed Wiring produces 4/min at 100%. At 250 it produces 18.75/min I should only need 2 manufacturers with at least 1-2 excess wiring not 60 😭

[vapid gorge]

how many actual automated wirings do you need pm? just the 25?

[gleaming glacier]

Just the 25 cus each ACU take 5 auto wiring

[vapid gorge]

oh you don't even need the extras

[gleaming glacier]

The online calculator is right, the modeler struggles cus like I said, it doesn't know how to allocate the resources

[vapid gorge]

weird. At least you have a solution now

[gleaming glacier]

I should be getting the 5 I need, I even made the math myself manually

[vapid gorge]

I had originally thought you need the extra AWs

[gleaming glacier]

I just wanted to use it cus it helps me remember what I need to do

[vapid gorge]

Tools will remember tabs you leave open 🙂
also you can save tabs by saving the links. I keep my important ones in a spread sheet, though a word doc would also work.

there's also a way to save them as files but I don't find it as useful

[quaint condor]

The main issure is that you have the machines on "Parts er minute"

That's one thing that is making is difficult to see where the "issues are" for starters.

[gleaming glacier]

I like the modeler better because it helps me keep it organize and it allows me OC so I can keep the factory compact

[gleaming glacier]

It won't matter, its still 3.67

[quaint condor]

Delete the 3 5/9's from the reinforced iron plates.

[vapid gorge]

You can OC in tools

if it tells you 4.5 machines that's just 450% clocking

[quaint condor]

Also, right click on the output item for the adaptive control and input 5

[quaint condor]

Also remove the restrictions on the oil extractors. (Bottom numbers)

[gleaming glacier]

The restriction is there because I'm using 2 normal oil nodes and combining them into 1

[quaint condor]

I'm trying to build it over here to see where the bottle neck is. 😛

[gleaming glacier]

Also even if I remove it, no difference

[quaint condor]

Oh, no, wrong place for the number on the adaptive....

[gleaming glacier]

@quaint condor Just so you know, the bottleneck you're looking for is most likely the ASW, as the modeler is prioritizing it over all other resources

[quaint condor]

Well, you do have the sink on it

[gleaming glacier]

Removing it crashes the system...

[summer flare]

You're still pushing to much HOR to making cables resulting in more automated wiring than required. This will up the source resources required.

[gleaming glacier]

Ah, there we go, appreciate you gang, tbh I never expected the HOR to be the issue

I can push close to 8 but not exactly 8 since belt can only hold 480 atm

[quaint condor]

Was just going to say, you have the HOR going into the coated cable, and it doesn't need the amount you are inputting. For future refence, you will want a priority splitter for something like that, and then send the excess to the Petcoke, then another from the pet coke to the caterium foundries.

(Really difficult to follow as I am just throwing this together 😛

[gleaming glacier]

No worries, I appreciate you both for the help

[gleaming glacier]

You make it more realistic than I do haha

[quaint condor]

realistic?

In reference to the "splitters", that is just there to make the math "happy".

As there is no "Priority splitter" in the game.

And since the "excess" of something needs a place to go

[gleaming glacier]

True

[quaint condor]

and in that, the only "output" that I manually set was the qty of five for the ACU

[crimson moat]

1 belt per cart is a good rule of thumb. You can do much more sometimes (i think the mk6 belt is something like 1.4 belts of throughput per cart for 100 stack items such as ore when under ideal conditions), but 1 belt is always fairly easy to do and reliable for any stack size or belt speed with a nice error margin.

[half frigate]

Yee

[crimson moat]

if round trip time is too high, put another train on the route. Repeat until it's not 😛

[half frigate]

Thats what I did with my ionized fuel factory, 4 belts 4 cars, 8 particle accelerators each

[crimson moat]

and set them to only leave station when full, too

[half frigate]

Yee

Thanks

[crimson moat]

np

[safe bridge]

the second pic isn't very good

the water pump is behind that rock formation

[scarlet sky]

There's no water in the pipe leading to the generator. Notice how the rings are touching? That tells you that the pipe is actually empty

If you inspect that pipe I guarantee you it won't be full

Actually, it looks to me like that pipe is completely empty

[safe bridge]

how do i get water in it?

sounds like a stupid question

[scarlet sky]

I assume the water extractor is powered?

And the pipe is connected to that extractor at the other end?

Wait, I don't see any power lines leading to that extractor...

[safe bridge]

i have to put a biomass burner and connect it to the water extractor?

[scarlet sky]

Yes

[safe bridge]

that's crazy!

i thought they were self powered

[scarlet sky]

Nothing in this game just magically works without power (and that sounds more insulting than it's meant to be)

[safe bridge]

i don't work without power either

[scarlet sky]

Bootstrapping a coal power plant is a skill check

[safe bridge]

i thought the idea of coal power was to stop having to use biomass

i don't know anything about bootstrapping

[scarlet sky]

Once it's all up and running, then the coal generators can power the water extractors, but until then, there's no power to use for that

"bootstrapping" meaning a cold start

[safe bridge]

ok

i see

[scarlet sky]

It's a catch-22, you can't run the extractors without power, and you can't run the generators without water

You need to have another way to power both the mines and the water extractors to get the coal plant started

But once the coal plant is running, it can power it all

Or, you can store water at a higher elevation and let gravity do the work in case the power fails, but you need to get the water up there first.

[safe bridge]

i think i've got it running now

[vapid gorge]

here's some basic layouts for coal generators, you'll need a good number of them

[safe bridge]

SUCCESS!!!

[scarlet sky]

It's a good idea to leave a biomass burner there along with some spare fuel for it, to power the mines and water extractors, in case you blow a fuse and it stops.

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

build them on foundations as well - keep pipes tidy

[scarlet sky]

Well, first just get this one running, then worry about banks of eight of them

[safe bridge]

i was just on that page, but didn't see that diagram

i didn't scroll down far enough

thanks

this is early days yet

i'm still in the baby stage of this game

[scarlet sky]

WHen you get to the point of needing multiple coal generators, yeah, build on foundations.

Well, build everything on foundations

[safe bridge]

yes, foundations make more sense than on uneven ground

[scarlet sky]

Not just that, they help UI-wise, things snap nicely to them, so it's much easier to line things up well

[safe bridge]

it's also good practise

[scarlet sky]

I'd argue it's essential past phase 3 or so

[safe bridge]

so now i have my coal power going, i can hook up the water extractor and cut the biomass feed

[scarlet sky]

You don't need to cut the biomass feed. As long as the coal plant is producing enough, the biomass burner will idle

They're unique that way

[safe bridge]

even if i hook the coal power to the water extractor?

[scarlet sky]

yeah

[safe bridge]

how strange

[scarlet sky]

The power they generate scales with demand

[safe bridge]

again, Satisfactory physics come into play

i see

[scarlet sky]

Whereas every other power plant generates a specific output and burns a set amount of fuel (based on clock speed), a biomass burner only generates power if and when it's needed.

[safe bridge]

you need to teach a class on this stuff

[scarlet sky]

lol I've just been playing for years

[safe bridge]

it's only been weaks for me

weeks***

[scarlet sky]

They made them that way so in the very early game, you don't run out of fuel stupidly fast, which is a big deal if you're still just burning leaves

[safe bridge]

as i have learned

i've had to go far from my hub to find coal

[scarlet sky]

But, that mechanic is quite useful in other ways

[safe bridge]

and the notifications told me my fuses have blown on all my biomass burners around there

[scarlet sky]

You're supposed to have to go a bit far, generating coal power is the game's first real skill check

[safe bridge]

anyway

i have to go to bed

it's 1230am

[scarlet sky]

Good time to call it a night, that's a big accomplishemt for a new player

[safe bridge]

good night, or morning depending on where you are

im on CST in the US

[scarlet sky]

One hour ahead of you in Toronto

[safe bridge]

till next time then

[misty rose]

how would ya'll improve ts

back 2 gens on both sides always run weaker than the rest

[frosty owl]

If "always" means less than a couple hours, I wouldn't worry about issues and just wait for the system to stabilize.
Otherwise, a good start would be checking the numbers (does input match consumption?) and the pipework (if numbers are right, where is the flow struggling?)

[vapid gorge]

overhead images of your set up please. with photomode.

and how much fluid pm are you doing/

[royal ibex]

6150 bauxite/m split for 15 machines, technically only need 6000, but it's my first time working with trains so if there are any throughput issues that extra 150 might help

and its 12-15 because I only have mk5 belts

[wind spade]

The extra won't help
And you could just hook each belt to one platform 🙂

[royal ibex]

I have 5 trains going to different places

[vapid gorge]

if you don't have enough throughput for 6000 you won't move more if you pile more in

[royal ibex]

Nah i get it, but just in case traffic happens in a random place for a couple minutes, it might help to remove the throughput fluctuation

[wind spade]

Then give each train what it needs

[wind spade]

Nah, it won't really help

[royal ibex]

the 5 trains bring bauxite to 1 location, i need to balance all the incoming bauxite because each train brings different amount of bauxite/m

[royal ibex]

oh well 🤷

[wind spade]

Or just hook each train to the amount it can feed

If you have train bringing 2500, hook it to machines that need 2500

[royal ibex]

I could have, but i spent too much time building the way I planned, I'm not going to rebuild the whole factory... But that's a good point, i'll try it the next time I work with trains

[vapid gorge]

I hoep each train has it's own station at the destination?

[royal ibex]

yep 👍

[rain lichen]

oh i absolutely do not (i'd need 3k+) which is why it'll only be running at half efficiency until we automate powershards

300 GW is still an insane amount and should carry us to that point, considering we aren't exactly building megafactories here

[main ginkgo]

I stopped using planners and separate calculators awhile ago, I want belts to be taken into account.

Anyway here's my homework on Alt: Fused Quickwire

[low wasp]

What is the best oil/rubber conversion?

[bitter urchin]

Use the oil to make heavy oil residue; then use the heavy oil to make diluite fuel; then use the fuel to make the rubber

The last step includes in sequence: using the polymer resin from the heavy oil residue to make rubber; transforming all the rubber into plastic using the fuel; transforming all the plastic into rubber; trasforming 1/3 of the rubber into plastic and all the plastic into rubber

I pulled the last passage out of my head. let me quickly check in game

Ok i found a mistake

The last passage in the last step is transforming 1/3 of the FUEL LEFT into plastic and the plastic into rubber.

This process yields 3 rubber for each oil used

[fallow loom]

please wish me luck, I'm consolidating all iron ore in the grasslands into one refinery and i need to hook up all 60 of these using truck stops to produce the pure iron recipe

[wind spade]

centralising resources like this is usually big PITA, wouldn't recommend 🤷

[fallow loom]

Believe you me, I know, but I am running a world where it's as little intrusion of buildings as possible, for a new perspective on resource transport for me

so I kinda have these mega structures fed by trucks, and I'm only allowing one train stop location per biome

[oblique hollow]

Im gonna assume its the resin at the top thats to blame.
Have you check some of the fuel refineries and seen of much resin is inside them?

[misty rose]

nah i fixed that

i jus afk'd and came back LOL

forgot to connect it back to the sink

[oblique hollow]

How long has it been since you did that

[misty rose]

about 30 minutes

[oblique hollow]

Is that screenshot even up to date then?

Lots of yellow lights

[misty rose]

this is it fixed

still the back 2 are always lacking on fuel when the ones infront are at 50

[oblique hollow]

That one refinery in the bottom left is still yellow

You should check it

[misty rose]

strange

it wasnt pumping out fuel

[oblique hollow]

Probably an incorrect pipe connection

[misty rose]

fixed tho but i dont think that was the problem since the upper gens still go throught he same issue

[oblique hollow]

Its gonna take time

[misty rose]

i was thinking about elevating the oil refineries

so the pipes are angled down

[oblique hollow]

If you keep messing with it the n the fuel drains again and it will have to fill yet again

You got mk 2 pipes here, its not a pressure problem

Angling it wont make it flow any faster than it goes now

[misty rose]

i see i see

i will let it simmer for an hour or 2 and see what happens

[royal ibex]

when i had flow issues to the generators at the very end, i turned them all off and let the pipes fully saturate. That seemed to work and I didnt have any problems after that

[oblique hollow]

In this case it may work. But if the issue comes from elsewhere it may only hide it

[royal ibex]

if there is a hidden problem then it hasnt made itself apparent in the last 100 hours 🤷

[devout stag]

is 100 normal packaged fuel enough for a drone to travel any single trip on the map?

[rain lichen]

is it considered "safe" to feed gases into machines from below, or should i always do it from above with those too?

[lone jewel]

yes, gasses are not affected by headlift/gravity

[rain lichen]

hell yes

[vapid gorge]

if it still doesn't work re build the pipes entirely, from the images the pipes aren't flat and there's some up and down with them. Which can cause issues

[hidden wind]

Ok my brain is not working for this. Im trying to get 10 200% oc refineries going into 10 blenders making 1600 fuel per minute. How am I supposed to supply the 1600 water if the max pipe is only 600?

[summer nexus]

By running more than one pipe

3 to be exact, 2 with 600 and 1 with the remaining 400

[hidden wind]

Gotcha. Figured the answer was right in front of me. Thank you

[spiral wigeon]

can I do a manifold type thing with pipes? been a long time since I've played and I remember that it sometimes would mess up without valves a long time ago

[vapid gorge]

Yes
but valves will generally cause issues or do nothing

[crimson moat]

you technically can, but manifolded fluid inputs misbehave a bit and manifolded fluid outputs misbehave a lot.

You can avoid most of the issues created by not going near flow rate limits, as fluid self balances when it can flow around. For example, building for max 300/min out of mk.2 pipe, which can flow 600.

With some tricks like using mk.1 pipe for individual machine inputs/outputs, having manifold feed pipes above machines and manifold drain pipes below them etc you can make higher flow rates work with manifolds, but sometimes (e.g. turbofuel generators at 100% on a manifold) it's just gonna stutter and average at most ~550/600 no matter what you do. Nobody has been able to make these work even with said tricks.

It's kind of a mess and i generally recommend using junctions for even splits/merges rather than as a manifold where practical, and maybe sometimes splitting a pipe into a few smaller pipes (like splitting a 600/600 into three 200's) and then manifolding those, rather than manifolding the maxed pipe directly. That works massively more reliably because it's essentially manifolding a 200/600 pipe with their +200% flowrate headroom, it's not affected by anything upstream of that. They can tolerate the manifold stutter/sloshing sometimes and just catch up later, but a maxed pipe can't do that (it must flow at 100% rate 100% of the time).

Another reason to avoid maxing out pipe throughput: There is a bug when you load the game which interrupts fluid flow, and causes a flow shortfall. If a pipe is not at max capacity, during the flow interruption some fluid just collects at the source and then it flows through later and catches up. If a pipe is maxed, it won't self correct and can cause issues for 20mins+ after loading a save. Best use at most ~90% of a pipe's max flow rate to mitigate this bug until it's fixed, that way it will quickly fix itself within a minute or two if it causes any issue.

[vapid gorge]

you absolutely don't need to try to load balance fluids, it is insanity and no one should tell you this.

There's very simple and reliable methods to run 600 flow pipes.

with very basic info, you can build reliable high flow pipes.

[vapid gorge]

@celest rune

so in this example it's 22.5 parts per min on both ends right? a decimal

but per cycle it uses 3 ingots to output 3 beams.

it's just that the cycle is 8 seconds, so if you look at it over a full minute, there's a decimal

[celest rune]

ohhh

[vapid gorge]

simple right? 🙂 fear not the decimals. I know it can be tough. I've taught maths to kids before

[celest rune]

i- idk how to take that-

[vapid gorge]

I'm not saying you're a kid xD it's just a common 'ahh decimals' in my classes. Some people just are uncomfortable with them and I suspect they didn't have very good math teachers

decimals are just numbers with their hats at a different angle

[celest rune]

people say im good at math, but when it comes to fractions and decimals? count me tf out

[vapid gorge]

orly? just kinda blank out?

[celest rune]

huh-?

[vapid gorge]

like when you see fractions and decimals does your brain just kinda stutter a bit trying to process it?

[celest rune]

yea

[vapid gorge]

Could just be a learned reaction. Did you ever do maths outside of like highschool?

[celest rune]

Im still in HS TwT

and no, not outside of factory games either

[vapid gorge]

but mostly it comes easily to you otherwise? ok doing mental maths?

[celest rune]

yea, mostly

[vapid gorge]

that's pretty common. If you've been comfy doing mental maths and get thrown decimals and fractions it gets weirder just because you have to keep in your mind multiple steps. Most people who can do mental maths can't hold that many numbers in their head either. And if you've been going easy with maths until then you probably haven't had to work that hard 🙂

fortunately you have paper for fractions and decimals. And with decimals ... well there's really nothing special about them and you can just use a calculator

with fractions though being comfortable knowing how to do it on paper and coss multiplying is really important. If you do want to get over that hump I'd ask your teacher for some advice. Maybe a bit of extra work.

[celest rune]

im in trig rn

so im being forced to deal with fractions-

[vapid gorge]

this isn't at all coming from someone who coasted through school w/o doing any real work until year 12 and having issues later btw >.>

[celest rune]

pfft-

yeahhh- if i get stuck im calling upon the math god (you)

[vapid gorge]

I'm not that great with it 🙂 Mostly tought chem and some physics. But they always need peopel teaching maths classes

Happens a lot with sci teachers

But yeah stick with the trig and get some extra work sheets, not only is it good for just critical thinking skills, which are really important and useful for ... everything. But any maths later on you need to be able to manage fraction bars comfortably.

[frail hare]

anyone got a handy 3 to 4 converyor diagram or screenshot? im strugging to visualize

[vapid gorge]

just split each of the 3 into 4, merge 1 of each

or the sane thing and use what's on the belts and have over flows at worst

[celest rune]

what-

[vapid gorge]

3 to 4 belts evenly distributed assuming you start with un even amounts

split each 1 into 2, split each of the 2 into 2 again so you have 1 to 4
after doing this to each of the 3, take 1 of each and merge them.

you have to do this 4 times and you wind up with 4 belts

or you can just clock machines to consume what's on the 3 belts in the first place which is easier
or you can just clock the output machines to put the right material on 4 belts in the first place
or you can just use over flow each of the 3 belts to a 4th - since you'll have extra on the 3 belts and it'll eventually fill up the systems they feed and over flow to the 4th belt

but some people don't like using clocking or over flow and like large complicated belt balancers

[hollow rover]

anyone using satisfactory modeler and manual calcuation? I can't seem to get it to work when setting part limits

[vapid gorge]

try their discord?

[quaint condor]

The best advice I can give is to not use "Part limit" on machines for starters. Use only for miners, Oil extractors, and resource wells.

[frosty owl]

What's wrong with "part limit"?

[summer flare]

In Manual mode, limits are required to determine splits. Part limits, machine number - they're the same thing.

[floral orbit]

Has anyone here ever looked at computing the max feasible power a Satisfactory 1.0 world can generate? Wanted to verify my results and see if anyone else got the same numbers

I spent the past day or so writing an LP solver, optimizing for the following constraints:

• Maximize total power (not net power);
• Everything is overclocked to 250% (saves on FPS);
• Everything (e.g. particle accelerators, quantum encoders) are set to their maximum power draw;
• (Obviously) everything has to be physically possible (produce more power than utilized, produce more items than utilized)
• The system can have no non-sinkable outputs. E.g. no processing plutonium waste, since that will eventually back up

But I got some odd results back. The final result I ended up at was 13.728 TW (terawatts). This is with:

• 10 Alien Power Augmenters, all fully supplied with 5 alien power matrices per minute each
• 223.71 nuclear power plants (uranium fuel rod)
• 515.83 fuel-powered generators (ionized fuel)
• 2,634.12 fuel-powered generators (rocket fuel)
• 263.94 coal-powered generators (coal)
• geothermal generators (9 impure, 13 normal, 9 pure)
  All running at 250% OC (except for the geothermal generators and alien power augmenters of course)

Recreated this in satisfactorytools.com - It is a feasible configuration.
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=QAidLExiESmDx0ubIplY

What I noticed was that the solver had almost always opted to avoid using Plutonium Fuel Rods for power, and instead just sunk them in the AWESOME sink - Supposedly, the amount of resources that recycling Plutonium (into Ficsonium and etc) requires cuts into the Uranium, and results in a net power loss.

I tested this by setting my solver to disallow AWESOME sinking of Plutonium Fuel Rods - It ended up with 11.514 TW (losing over 2 TW of power). The solver decided that uranium was too expensive and not worth the cost, and shifted to only generating ionized fuel/rocket fuel/coal.

Was curious if anyone else had done this, or was interested in verifying my results - can send the code if anyone's interested in checking my work 😄

[summer flare]

Are you perhaps setting more limits than required and introducing a conflict? The help says any conflicts are arbitrarily ignored which means you won't get consistent calculations.

[wind spade]

max-world ficsonium needs way more SAM that we realistically have, hence why it's not often preferred by solvers.

(and yeah, Tools can't do things like these yet, but maybe in the future 🙂 )

[floral orbit]

ngl, i was hoping for someone to tell me that i was completely wrong 🙃
feels unfortunate that plutonium/ficsonium isn't optimal. for the fact that it takes so much effort, i would have expected it to increase the numbers just a little

[wind spade]

part of ficsonium's value is clean (non-sink/non-waste) nuclear

if you don't find that valuable ("objective" solvers usually don't 😉 ), then yeah, you won't really be using ficsonium

Everything (e.g. particle accelerators, quantum encoders) are set to their maximum power draw;
why not average draw?

[floral orbit]

for the power feasibility constraint, ideally i wanted to get a set-and-forget configuration. so i marked setups that could theoretically over-draw power as infeasible

i was calculating for maximal power generated, though, mostly because net power varies so much and you can't see it on a power pole easily

i am hoping to try building this at some point 👀

also kind of surprised despite that, power consumption is so low. i guess it makes sense, you're optimizing for maximum total power - this is way more than the average player would ever reasonably use or need

[wind spade]

I mean if you're producing max power, then power draw is irrelevant to you anyway I guess

I think realistically you won't reach over 2TW consumption, unless you try VERY hard (e.g. spamming things that consume power like jump pads)

[floral orbit]

i found on github a while ago an optimizer (i think similar to mine, it used the scipy library for linear programming which is faster), but that one was solving for maximal awesome ticket production. my guess is that the consumption there is much higher

[wind spade]

practically even a 1TW is more than most people would use

[wind spade]

it's not, because that one will optimise for lower power costs, as power cost = resource cost to make power = resources not being used to generate sink points

[floral orbit]

kind of curious what the maximum feasible power consumption is. think that's more of a space constraint problem than a resource constraint problem though?

like you could just spam up cyclic packagers/unpackagers or lights. your FPS would be the limiting factor there tbh

[wind spade]

infinite, just spam things that don't need resources to use power 😛

jump pads f.e.

and the biggest constraint there would probably be object limit

[floral orbit]

for those curious btw, here's the results and full recipes list in a text file. 13.728 TW produced, 1.248 TW consumed

[wind spade]

(if we ignore that, then yeah, space, or rather FPS 😄 )

[unique cypress]

I got 19.11 TW if storing waste is allowed
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=TjtRP9MqgenXfYf82uG7

Or 15.32 TW if it's not
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=zZ6RuXK8agDkyzSCoVzj

[sullen brook]

44 manufacturers for 780 quartz crystall god damn it

[unique cypress]

I suggest you use a good calculator instead of SCIM

It might save you hours of work

I use http://satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production but literally anything else will also be better than SCIM

[dusky dust]

I suppose satisfactory-calculator's calculator would actually be SCPP, eh? :D The Interactive Map itself is A+; just the solver which is quite subpar

[wind spade]

Just change it to SIM 🙂 leave out the C

[sullen brook]

yeah i do use satisfactorytools, i wanted to quickly check how much ingots i would need

[wind spade]

Isn't sftools way quicker? 🤔

[half frigate]

@languid laurel, so yea, 20 blenders, 90 (technically 89.04~ but just go 90) assemblers, you'll need limestone, water and nitric acid as well, so you'll need to build enough blenders to make sufficient nitric acid, some of the water bi product from the dissolved recipe can be sent back around to nitric acid production (use a valve), send the rest to coal gens (enough to cover it all, it'll be 88.8 coal gens, so go with 88 and see if you can package the slight excess for sinking).
You'll need 2,025 quartz per minute.
3,375 limestone per minute
2,000³m of water per minute
1,000 more lime stone (for dissolved)
2,400³m dissolved silica per min
200³m nitric acid per minute
2400 more quartz (for the refineries to make dissolved silica)
40 refineries
If my math is correct (this was all done quickly), this should be all you need without getting too specific..

20 blenders, 90 assemblers, 40 refineries and 88 coal gens to use the excess water bi product

This should yield 10 thousand silica per minute

[languid laurel]

@hollow timber Nikolai kindly did some maths if you’d like to use it

[half frigate]

Any specifics is just further refinement ofc, that comes when you start building

[languid laurel]

Thx on okzexs behalf

[half frigate]

Ah yes, I pinged the wrong user lol. Thanks soul knight 😅

The other bi product is quartz crystal, thats gonna be, a staggering 3 thousand per minute.

I'd reccomend turning them into pink diamonds with coal

[wind spade]

(offtopic but why so many people misspell byproduct as bi product?)

[half frigate]

It seemed more natural to me

[wind spade]

nowdays everything is bi I guess

[half frigate]

I see the issue though

[half frigate]

I am, personally, Bi so

[wind spade]

so your byproducts must be as well 😛

[half frigate]

🤣

I honetsly never just spelt it as "byproduct", I did technically fail English class lmao

I did better in math's, physics and metal work

[languid laurel]

Weird I was spelling it biproducts too

[hushed silo]

perhaps i is more resonant letter than y thus is more appealing to the brain since more resonant letters cause more brain activation

could also be freudian slip

[half frigate]

For me, a Freudian slip is more likely

I wont say us Kiwi's are the best at English, but we are better than americans (i hate the English language)

[languid laurel]

I just added Freudian slip to my vocabulary and I will use it to sow seeds into my enemies minds (somehow) (and when I get enemies)

[half frigate]

Ha, cool

[languid laurel]

Very on topic for math and meta

lol

[half frigate]

Yea lol

Dude should build a few blueprints though

If he has mk3 designers, you can fit 4 blenders into 1 blueprint and about 5 refineries

[hushed silo]

the best one is "yea and its bcs of ur mother" 🛹

[languid laurel]

Yh I need to use blueprints more but I don’t have m3s :((

[half frigate]

An effective blueprint is 4 refineries in a mk2

[languid laurel]

I’m sorry i don’t get that reference:( too uncultured

[river peak]

Inquiry.
After unlocking Solid Snake Ingot, should I offload smelting to dedicated facilities and import ingots to my factories, or should I keep everything in-house? Is it viable to keep smelting faculties separate?

[wind spade]

solid snake ingot

[river peak]

I said what I said.

[wind spade]

as answer to your question - personally I would build every new factory from scratch and not try to centralise ingredients

[river peak]

So smelting in-line? Gottem thanks.

[hushed silo]

keep it together

the only times where off site "smelting" should be considered is going for pure recipies or all map conversion build (bauxite for example) since its easier to keep track of everything but its rare and in most cases on site is better

as of solid 🐍 ingot: 🫡

[hollow timber]

i think i will do crystal oscylators

[rain lichen]

if i have a water tower, does the pressure/momentum carry on through machines? or does it only apply to that specific pipeline

[hushed silo]

pipeline specific

[queen umbra]

What are kiwi

[languid laurel]

People from New Zealand

[wind spade]

isn't that a bird/fruit? 😄

[vapid gorge]

bird/fruit

[slim sigil]

Best way to crank out some tickets?

[viral sparrow]

spelevator parts, a lot of them

[wind spade]

sink complex parts

[slim sigil]

Any specific ones? I am done with project assembly. Just looking to get the golden nut

[viral sparrow]

tpr/bwd are the highest point items in the game i believe

[vapid gorge]

well whatever is easiest is good?
so basically over flow from what you're making now

[viral sparrow]

i think biochem sculptors could be good becuase you can make more of them easier? idk it depends what you either already have being made or which you think works best for you

i dont think pasta is worth doing though? could be wrong

[slim sigil]

I was wanting to make a factory for cranking out tickets lol

To give myself something to do post project assembly

[wind spade]

practically all the base recipes double the point value of ingredients, so as complex part as possible gives most points

[viral sparrow]

slooping max oc biochem sculptor might not be a bad idea but i never went for tickets

biochem in particular because it has the higehst output of any of the phase 5 parts (i think its tied with ai expansion servers but slooping those is spooky)

[vapid gorge]

make a personal project with a planner 🙂 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[viral sparrow]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink heres the page for points per item as well so you can compare

[slim sigil]

Thank you thank you. I will get to planning

[viral sparrow]

these are probably the main ones youd consider

[slim sigil]

Geez.. the BWDs tho

[viral sparrow]

maybe singularity cell as well since 10/min so it doubles the amount of points you get from 1 pasta (roughly)

[wind spade]

hoverpack: I definitely belong here, nothing wrong with it

[slim sigil]

Dang.. so using alt recipes affects the ticket outcome huh?

[wind spade]

yeah

well, kinda

the item will always give same amount of points, no matter how it was crafted

it's just that if you use resource-expensive recipe, you're "losing" on potential point gain vs a resource-cheap recipe

[vapid gorge]

for example there's a few recipes that can reduce the total resource cost of Heavy mod frames by like 70%.

so you could make more from the same if points is just your goal

[wind spade]

if you're looking for "most points I can get from X resources", you're basically asking "cheapest way to produce stuff in terms of weighted resource values"

[slim sigil]

That makes sense

[urban bramble]

Is this the best way to get the most bang for my buck?

Sorry about the mess lmao.

Actually, I may just split the polymer resin.

[vapid gorge]

don't know what you mean about splitting the resin but you want to use it for residual rubber in the recycle loop https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=kKoRs8WsNwgLGlMhuuEA

however I'd make 2 plan and factories independent from each other

1 that has the end poitn of rubber
1 that has the end point of plastic. Simpler to build

[urban bramble]

I was also kind of thinking that, but wasn't 100% sure.

I may tear down the old power plant, since I am using a rocket fuel plant elsewhere. That way I can easily tap into the resources there.

[vapid gorge]

there's no single right answer to that part - but I find it easier to design. Both with numbers and if you like anything vaguely aesthetic

[urban bramble]

I try to keep things looking pretty, but inevitably it winds up a mess.

[vapid gorge]

main thing to do about that is plan each individual section out, layout the foundations in the spacings you want and plan for space for logistics 🙂 it's just practice and planning 😉

I went from this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932761153703149659/1437583813227315341/image.png?ex=69700ec2&is=696ebd42&hm=1787ab26c3e28bc03ddbeba501476d363f02a74a7b66431162f8bb7757325b18&

[urban bramble]

Oh definitely! I'm getting a bit better at that. This is my first playthrough.

[vapid gorge]

to this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1325677455758856263/unknown_51.png?ex=696fa897&is=696e5717&hm=088210bf69b5f144cc46e9c1d21a9e98f78d51cac206b8127db64d5566270b6e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[vapid gorge]

yup! just assume you'll get better every time 🙂

[urban bramble]

Mhmm! I'm definitely doing another playthrough after this in a different starting location.

[vapid gorge]

starting location doesn't matter much on that front. You will eventually spread out anyways.

but just having different scenery can be nice 🙂

[urban bramble]

Yeah, but I just like to shake things up.

[slate wind]

This is GORGEOUS

[simple pendant]

That’s so cool I’m getting subnatica vibes

[vapid gorge]

thanks the both of you 🙂

[uneven torrent]

Im trying to make almost a manifold but for liquid and it seems im struggiling with flow rate, some plants are getting little to no water but my extractors and buffers are filled up ive tried pumps but they seem to be plain not working

[vapid gorge]

yup simple solution to this one.
how much water are you tryign to move pm?
how much water can a mk1 pipe move pm?

[uneven torrent]

Oh I think I see I'm, producing 360 but these pipes can only move 300 at time?

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

these diagrams show some very convenient layouts for what your'e trying to do 😉

[uneven torrent]

If I do 4 of the bottom one do You think I can fit it in the one basin south of the swamp?

[vapid gorge]

4 groups of 8 you mean?

[uneven torrent]

yeah

8 plants for each mk.2 miner coal node

[vapid gorge]

use some verticality and I'm sure you https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1439217940141441107/image.png?ex=697011e8&is=696ec068&hm=4b68f07ee19e0bd902d8c719c272bec25075b87fe76f2a98be04f517d9c48262&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

this is just a variation on the 2nd diagram

yo ucan save more space and build taller if you plan for more floors too

[uneven torrent]

Yeah I do wanna also use that lake for oil because theres quite a few oil deposits there

way easier than going halfway across the map or just entirely across the map for oil

[vapid gorge]

seems reasonable 🙂

[vapid gorge]

oh also get rid of the buffer - the ydon't help and will often hurt

[uneven torrent]

Alright

[simple pendant]

Took me a min to get to my coal factory but everything i have is Mk 1 pipes
and the way I have it set up is kind of weird but I was honestly winging it hoping it works and so far it has
I have two sides and there both a little different the only thing about them that's the same is the settings on the pumps
I changed the settings on them to a different speed thinking it wont waste as much power but once again kind of was winging it

[vapid gorge]

ok on this side, you're feeding 240 into 225 thats fine, but get rid of the buffers, they don't help and just wrekc flow

same wit hthe other side, remove the buffers, down clock 1 or 2 gens to like 50% and let the system flood

and disconnect the 2 groups of 5 on the right.

if there's no mechanical reason to connect fluid systems, don't connect them

[simple pendant]

I see got it 👌

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

also you may benefit from these convenient layouts

uses 1xmk2 belt of coal, exactly 3 extractors.

[simple pendant]

also when u say set them to 50% do it to all the pumps yeah?

[vapid gorge]

no jsut the coal gens

if your gens use less water than provided, all pipes and internal machien buffers will fill

and full pipes are happy pipes.

you get less back flow AND it's a good way to trouble shoot the system

[simple pendant]

that's super helpful I didnt know 3 pumps can power 8

[vapid gorge]

since if you start off with a full system and it starts emptying, you know you have a problem

[vapid gorge]

360 water provided, 360 consumed 🙂

the main take away from the diagrams is that you need at least 2 input points for the water

[queen umbra]

How much POWER can I make out of one impure uranium node if I don't do plutonium only uranium fuel rod

[vapid gorge]

stick it in tools 🙂 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[queen umbra]

So 75GW

Oops

Only 37GW

[vapid gorge]

depends on your recipes 🙂 but I think it's more than that

[vapid gorge]

90gw if you use the alts

[queen umbra]

Huh?

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=KwRMnFkPK032WOsueKyr

7.2 rods from 300 uranium

[queen umbra]

Oh yes

[vapid gorge]

7.2 x 5 x 2500mw

should be 90,000mw

[queen umbra]

That's seems pretty easy too

It's just a lot of water to manage and a lot of waste to manage

[vapid gorge]

not so much 🙂 you could easily store it too.
build the reactors over water

you also don't need to build the rods in the same place you burn them, you could drone the rods to the ocean if you want

or even a moderate lake.

[queen umbra]

36 gen that takes 240 water /min
So around 72 water extractor

[vapid gorge]

I'd OC everything to 250%

[digital sequoia]

How can i make a balancer that with 4 i/pm divides equally to 10

[fossil wraith]

?

[vapid gorge]

all recipes are useful - if you don't think you'll use one of them in your next factory, reroll or pick at random

[vapid gorge]

look up 1:5 load balancer, make it 1 to 10 by dividing the 5 in 2 each

[vapid gorge]

or just do a gd manifold like a sane person

[ashen sentinel]

also you'll eventually be able to obtain all recipes

[slate wind]

Absolutely terrifying model I made for finishing Phase 3 in Satisfactory Modeler

This is gonna be a big task

[flat fossil]

which one?

i've got 14 hard drives with no rescans left and the top one with 1 rescan in the mam. another 1 or two in my inventory

[wind spade]

as always, pick whichever you want

there's no "good" or "bad" recipes, only recipes you personally like or don't like

and you can get all recipes anyway, so you can't lock yourself out of some recipe

if you don't know, flip a coin and pick one

unless you know exactly which recipe you're looking for, at that point you don't pick recipes so that more are kept in MAM and you won't get those for next rolls

but otherwise just pick any and experiment with them

[flat fossil]

that's what i did for diluted fuel and sloppy alumina

[wind spade]

yeah, but if you don't know and aren't looking for anything specific, just pick whichever seems good to you or whichever you may use in your next factory

alts usually do interesting things when combined together as well

so usefulness of a single alt is hard to quantify

[flat fossil]

yeah if i ever get to that. i`ve spent over 100 hours just on redesigning my heavy oil/fuel factory alone xD. So my biggest problem is actually deciding on things and how i want them to look

[wind spade]

personally I'd start with building functional things and then do visuals once it works 🙂

and once I build a factory, I never touch it again, if it works, it works

[flat fossil]

yeah i did it the other way around. and now i aint got space for stuff. or have problems with fluid jank since i got my heavy oil ref on the bottom floor

but basically you mean just go with it and then pretty it up later

@wind spade right?

[wind spade]

yeah

[queen umbra]

Not enough power shard unfortunately and don't want to hunt slug rn

[queen umbra]

Charcoal is useless

[wind spade]

for you

[queen umbra]

Because YOU use it ?

[wind spade]

I don't (but I don't play the game)

other people use it

[vapid gorge]

you can make temp ammo factories with only biomass and SAM.

or just cut out coal from an ammo factory

also bio coal - make uranium rods from pigs

and sam only

[queen umbra]

Pigs?

[vapid gorge]

kill pigs for meat
turn meat to protein
protein to bio mass
bio mass to bio coal
mix with SAM ore to convert and make a whole chain entirely from pigs and SAM to make uranium rods

[barren sparrow]

Pigs will lead us into a new technological age

[wind spade]

re: your #screenshots image - I'd heavily recommend to not use fluid buffers anywhere (apart from train platform buffering)

at best they do nothing relevant, and at worst they break your systems

[slate jackal]

So I made this stackable blueprint for my rocket fuel plant. There's a pipe going vertically in the pillar. Would you say it's gonna work fine? Or would I need some kind of looping? I guess either vertical back to the pillar or 2 extra pipes on the sides.

[vapid gorge]

might be ok? I'd probably keep the pipes to like 300 flow if you do and mk1 pipes

it doesn't have a loop and you have a lot of branches. Might be wobbly

[slate jackal]

What would the benefit of using Mk1 pipes be? 🤔 Less chance of generators at the top to be underfed?

[vapid gorge]

lower flow pipes have less back flow issues

and you can get back flow issues when you have branches like you have on each floor there

so you're probably better off having smaller but more sections of generators

lower flow pipes are a lot more resilience to less than great pipe choices

[slate jackal]

Tbh even if I used mk1 pipes the full pillar would be 504 meters tall without overclocking 😅

[vapid gorge]

yet another reason I wouldn't touch rocket fuel for power

[slate jackal]

How so...? I mean sure, I could probably go straight to nuclear, but I don't really care about doing that yet

[vapid gorge]

I mean you can finish the tiers with just diluted fuel really easily

and if you want a ton of power, nucear is more interesting , compact and really not hard

its just more but smaller steps to processing it

[slate jackal]

I'll probably do nuclear later anyway for fun

[vapid gorge]

if you want. I surely wouldn't do a massive RF system now then

[slate jackal]

Meh, filling up the crater lake with generator pillars just sounds like a fun thing to do

[vapid gorge]

fair

[oblique hollow]

Rocket fuel will usually be fine as long as you stay away from using a full mk 2 pipe.If you do use a full 600/min it would need to be split up equally first.
So if you wanna use 600/min rocket fuel as single pipe would need to feed 2 towers of 300

If you dont go for 600/min but like 540/min then one tower can work

[slate jackal]

I went with mk1 pipes after all

So each pillar will get 300m3 through the center pipe, but I also added 2 side looping pipes just in case I guess

[versed mango]

The math dont Math

[mint coral]

Looks like it is not connected to your greater power grid

[versed mango]

no that sure, my mine grid is about 16GW

[versed mango]

but the 0,1 MW in consum dont work with the 0 max consum

[mint coral]

The game rounds all the time. Sometimes it doesn't get it right.

[versed mango]

Okay

[mint coral]

Deep in options there is a way to show true numbers i believe.

[versed mango]

possible

[mint coral]

Personally I've been okay with rounded numbers as I find it good enough and rarely have issues.

[versed mango]

ok

But the grid will be connect, so i will not see it

[slow fjord]

If I have a train to move products. What's the best place to build a computer factory?

[wind spade]

near resources it needs

[violet turtle]

Am i doing something wrong or is there a reason why the circled packager always runs out, when the one to the right always fills up to the top?

The outputs are fine

[wind spade]

Is that diluted packaged fuel build?

[violet turtle]

ya

[fleet estuary]

How many Normal Modular Frames should i do for just Uploading and Overload?

Im building new my Old System with Iron and am thinking how many Should i do with Iron Plates, Iron Rods, reinforced Iron Plates, Screms to just put in Buffer and Upload and Overflow. Can someone Assist?

if asking i do it with 300 Iron Input

But 300 Should be enough for Doing just Storage.

[crimson moat]

1 end machine of production, if you run out later then do it again

[vapid gorge]

personal use? if you have a reg storage in front of hte depot you could probably get away with 2-3, it builds up fast while you're exploring

[viral vessel]

When it comes to smart splitters, will 'overflow' also take items that cant necessarily go through an output that has a selected item? or will it jam the conveyor

[slow fjord]

Thanks captian obvious

It's pretty awesome when you get power to be 100% efficient and not fluctuate

[vapid gorge]

use a planner like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production to decide on your resources you need
then look at a map or radar towers or scout around and edit recipes as needed

there's no single best location to do anything in the game, it relies on too many variables plus subjective things like how you like to build

that's why asking what is 'best' without being very specific won't get you the answers you need

this isn't factorio, it's not a solved system.

[wind spade]

Well, can't really tell you anything better, given how many options are there for recipes and hemce different resource requirements

[slow fjord]

I found a place. I'm in the sand hills . Oil, copper and gold right next to eachother.

I'm only phase 3 and don't have all the hard drives. Just mam and basics

[vapid gorge]

highly recommend going on HDD trips 🙂 they are a game changer. Hell with the right alts you can make Super computers just from caterium and oil

or really expand on silica and crystal mixed in to stretch out the production line if you want a ton of them

[slow fjord]

Once I get that far. I'm only at phase 3

[vapid gorge]

sure but you can also do computers entirely from oil and caterium 😄 and stretch things out wit hsilica and crystal 😄

[low grove]

there's still plenty of useful alt recipes in phase 3 (i know because i'm in phase 3 atm)

[vapid gorge]

tons of alts great at phase 2 too

[low grove]

also isn't supercomps on phase 3

[vapid gorge]

for example https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=gIXHyTR9IANZlPlUHb49

[slow fjord]

I'm not playing on PC

[vapid gorge]

78 caterium and 83 oil = 10 computers pm!

you can use a planner from a pad or phone. Though a bigger screen helps

[low grove]

that's insanely efficient, what the hell

[vapid gorge]

right??

[slow fjord]

I'm doing soomersloop for my space elevator parts. I'm like 48 hours about to be at phase 4

[vapid gorge]

there's also this path , which is more complex but uses less 'valuable' resources depending on your needs https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=gQaH5NARfucSsZpwAT3l

for 10 comp pm

But I'd probably only do this for a very large demand.

[low grove]

it's so mind bogglingly little resources consumed

[vapid gorge]

I could reduce it further with pure copper and pure iron but I get annoyed at those recipes

[low grove]

do you start planning from the end or from the start?

[wind spade]

From the end, always

[low grove]

those recipes are awesome but inland water resources is quite scarce

[vapid gorge]

don't need a tooon of it. And yo ucan find lakes 🙂

but yeah from the end point, then I swap recipes in and out. I know the recipes quite well so it's fast

[vapid gorge]

with pure recipes https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Gsxuwx23YXHPosjoC184

[low grove]

the nearby lakes to my base already have a ton of water extractors so i would need to pipe from the larger lake but it's further

[low grove]

nice

[vapid gorge]

Use the whole map 🙂 spread out! you'll find great spots

but a system that needs that many resources will probably need to import 1 or 2 no matter where you are. Besides the swamp

[slow fjord]

I have hyper cannons to go all over the map super fast. My biggest launch is 17 boosters lol

[vapid gorge]

I could cut out Limestone and Gas though.

[low grove]

we agreed to only produce materials at the nearby vicinity of the hub for this run, it's supposed to be like a megafactory but it's currently more like a city

though power production is able to be seperate, which it is

[vapid gorge]

then you'll need a lot of imports anyway

[low grove]

indeed

[vapid gorge]

cutting out gas and crystal https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=gYTyhQ7ney2koQHx4ggT

and limestone'

[low grove]

interesting

[vapid gorge]

there was wasted silica in the last one which is why the crystal dropped

but I like the purification line

[low grove]

could i have perhaps saved some resources while building the fuel rod plant? (ignore the red marker, it was for marking which ones were finished)

[vapid gorge]

well tools spat this out

[low grove]

not sure why the bottom iron used normal instead of pure

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=fBGdg2uSbsDBmyi2UVOI

you might be able to compare it more easily

I hate reading modeler

[low grove]

i have not the slightest idea of what those numbers entail

[vapid gorge]

well your plan seemed to output 16 uranium rods pm
this is the base resources for a 16 U rod plan pm that tools spat out

and a link if you want to follow it 🙂

[low grove]

ah

seems like for most materials my factory has a little bit less consumption except for uranium and sulfur which both has an intake of 1320

oh nevermind, that was including the recycling plant

the chart for the whole nuclear plant is horrible

[wind spade]

So basically you agreed you don't like yourselves 🙂

[low grove]

we tried to be more organized this time, our previous worlds had materials scattered across

[wind spade]

That's generally the more recommended approach

[low grove]

though organization isn't as prevalent with the advent of dimensional depots

[wind spade]

To have factories near nodes all over the map

[low grove]

we was not aware about that when we decided to do this

[wind spade]

And just put output to depot

I mean anything can work, it's just that megafactories are often tons of planning and logistical headache to get "right"

[low grove]

we did not know that dimensional depots existed when we made the world either

[frosty owl]

Putting order into things can greatly help :P (especially for those trying to look at the graphs you made to try helping you out!)

[low grove]

it's a bit outdated and i did not make it (my friend did)

[frosty owl]

Uh... Ok?

[empty hemlock]

I have a train line that takes 14 minutes to loop, how do I know how many trains I need running on it?

[low grove]

through absolutely zero math and pure assumption, 6

-# just one per terminal

[empty hemlock]

Caterium pickup 1 brings 1200 caterium ore to the 1st carriage, pickup 2 brings 1200 to the 2nd, pickup 3 and 4 bring 600 each to the 3rd and pickup 5 brings a further 600 to the 4th cariage, with 1 stop that offloads all the caterium for 4200 Caterium Ore over 4 carriages

I could just spam trains until it looks good enough but is there a method to knowing how many trains need to be on a line that doesn't rely on guesswork?

[weary dock]

check how many caterium you need per min, and how much the train transports and then add the amount of trains that you need ig

[wind spade]

one train, see how much it can handle, add more until you know

though if you're doing more than two stops, I'd rather have separate train lines that each has two stops only

[fleet estuary]

is it Meta to Upgrade everything in the mercers Spheres?

[wind spade]

wdym by that?

like upgrade all the depot stuff? sure, go ahead, there's enough spheres for it and to have comfortable amount left for depots

[cloud wadi]

what even are the upgrades for the mercer spheres, dont think ive ever done them

[fleet estuary]

Upload up to 5 Stacks and Upload speed up to 240 a Min.

[cloud wadi]

huh, maybe i should use the depot

[wind spade]

it's a pretty good replacement of central storage

[fleet estuary]

Im working rn on it to Upgrade all my Old Factorys with Plates and still do a Central Storage.

I like the Look of just having a Place where everything is

[wind spade]

eh, I wouldn't touch old factories

[cloud wadi]

can you pull from the depot anywhere or do you have to be at a depot to grab from a depot?

[wind spade]

you can pull from it from anywhere, but only manually

it's not meant for automatic production

[cloud wadi]

oooooo, ive never tried to use them before

[fleet estuary]

Yes anywhere. If you dont got Items in your inv you can also just build from the Uploaded stuff

Orange is in the Inv and the Purple in Uploaded stuff

[cloud wadi]

ohhhh

[fleet estuary]

You can just hook them up to any Storage you gotl.

[cloud wadi]

thats cool

[flint lagoon]

The storage containers are why I always upgrade the upload speed first

[cloud wadi]

Thank you both for the crash course in the depot <3

[fleet estuary]

Your Welcome <3

[wind spade]

The storage containers should practically always be there

Though I'd do one per item only and maybe even just the small one

[fleet estuary]

I did 2 bc i can and it just makes it feel even more Secure of how fast the Upload speed is and how Slowly i make these. I mean like slow... I do 6 Modular Frames in these and 6 Reinforced iron plates at the End.

[fleet estuary]

How much Power Storage you guys got in your System? I kinda get Addicted rn of the Batteries and got 20K MWH in.

[dusky dust]

Battery Power Storage

I generally have essentially none on my "main" grid. If I'm feeling in the mood to make backup systems, I'll occasionally construct some offline Power Storage which is sufficient to jump-start its associated power plant in the event of a widespread trip (ie: just enough to power the extractors/miners/machines that the power plant needs for an hour or two)

Other than that I pretty much only ever use them to disable mob spawns which are too close to busy vehicle paths and such

[fleet estuary]

Why you talk like you had 3000 Hours in the Game?

[mint coral]

None. I don't find it needed at all

[dusky dust]

Nothing wrong with constructing backup systems even if you don't intend to ever use 'em, of course. :D

Like I still occasionally do that offline-power-storage thing even though I've literally never tripped a grid since Update 3. :P

[mint coral]

I just use power priority switches. So if I blow a fuse my power systems stay active and I can work on power in peace

[languid laurel]

I also have none but that’s because I didn’t know it is a thing and I prob wouldn’t need it

[fleet estuary]

I mean, i just had a Problem that all my Power making just Turned off bc i changed something in the Old Power System that was like not very Overlookable. The Power Storages helped me a lot.

[dusky dust]

Yeah, PPS pretty much obsoletes every other emergency solution

Though I've actually not used those for awhile 'cause I got sick of the hoverpack bug

[mint coral]

Didn't know there was a hover pack bug. Lucky me

[languid laurel]

If I was struggling with power I would just sloop my rf blenders (ik I should be doing it already but I forgor) and double my power

[dusky dust]

Can happen with regular switches as well - basically if your hoverpack switches which grid it's taking power from, one of the grids will briefly all go into idle mode

[fleet estuary]

I just found a Space where i can Spam them so i just did.

[languid laurel]

Wow never knew that

[dusky dust]

(I forget if it's the grid you're going to or the grid you just left)

[mint coral]

Ah, that explains why I haven't experienced it. My setup avoids that issues

[languid laurel]

They use Mercer spheres ._.

[fleet estuary]

No

[languid laurel]

Oh mb sry

[fleet estuary]

Its just the to do list

[languid laurel]

Mb lmao

[fleet estuary]

Its the next Upgrade i put on it. XD

[languid laurel]

Didn’t know you could add mam researches to todo list that would’ve been handy earlier

[fleet estuary]

XD

[fleet estuary]

Yeah, i added all Depot stuff at the Beginning of the World to the todo list and now im Almost done with it.

[languid laurel]

Im oblivious to a lot of obvious things

Like preferred jet pack fuel

[mint coral]

Rocket fuel supremacy

[fleet estuary]

Yeah, i got confused when they still wanted to use the Normal fuel and i had the Turbo Fuel in my Inv i wanted to use.

[languid laurel]

Love rocket fuel just got it last week

[fleet estuary]

Had to struggle for like half an Hour how i do that

Isnt like Ioniced Fuel the best? I heard something about that

[dusky dust]

Ah there we go, that's the video I was looking for: #screenshots message

[languid laurel]

I thought it was to do with what slot in your inv xD

[mint coral]

Im currently using diluted packaged fuel. Ill likely just sloop a line and turn that into rocket fuel for personal needs

[languid laurel]

Ionized and liquid biofuel have the best usage time (ionized is better but u need to automate power cells)

[mint coral]

You gotta grind up power shards to make it.

[languid laurel]

I just looped my fpgs into a packager (which prob causes sloshing but idk about gases)

[fleet estuary]

HOLY F

[fleet estuary]

Me too. Like Minecraft Arrows

[mint coral]

Ya @cinder silo has done some crazy shit.

[wind spade]

also kMWH GWH 🙂

[wind spade]

best for what?

[fleet estuary]

Jetpack

[languid laurel]

It is but it’s a lot more difficult to make

[wind spade]

each fuel has different priorities and depends which one are you looking to maximise

[mint coral]

This is him too all the maps bauxite factory

[languid laurel]

That’s very impressive

[fleet estuary]

I thought Biofuel is like the same as Normal Fuel. Only just "better for the environment" (that we dont want)

[languid laurel]

Nah it has the same usage time as ionized but doesn’t launch you as high up as normal fuel I think or smth

But I don’t think you can fully automate it but I could be wrong

[mint coral]

They have diffrent feels.

[languid laurel]

True this too

[mint coral]

Ive gotten comfy with rocket fuel and tapping jump while using it

[fleet estuary]

WHY DOES HE ALWAYS DOES SUCH A CREEPY MUSIC UNDER IT. 😭

[mint coral]

To contrast his winning smile and sunny disposition

[languid laurel]

Those m6 belts look sooo nice

[mint coral]

I wish we could skin it. Sometimes I don't want the futuristic esthetic

[languid laurel]

I think you can reduce the glow with swash brightness

[mint coral]

Its all good. I usually nudge things into the belt to reduce the glow and change the vibe

Like the metal pillar frame thing

[languid laurel]

Good idea 😄

[mint coral]

Im not sure when but at somepoint I became okay with clipping for decor sake

[cinder silo]

Oh god I almost forgot about that place.

[cinder silo]

Familliar bauxite processing plant 😛

[cinder silo]

I can re-record video without random stuff in the background, but that does mean I actually put effort in rather than capture a clip on the fly when I'm just playing.

[fleet estuary]

Im scared of you.

[cinder silo]

🤷‍♂️

[cinder silo]

Build a power station like this one #satisfactory-experimental message , feel better 😛

[fleet estuary]

Are these Refinerys or Coal Generators? Im confused

[dusky dust]

Fuel Gens

[fleet estuary]

How do you get so much Oil?

[cinder silo]

Refineries & blenders on the bottom floors, all the oil is from the nearby wells on site (blue crater)

[dusky dust]

Honestly that many fuel gens isn't even really surprising. Fuel Gen Spam is absolutely a thing

Which is part of why I would still prefer nuclear to Rocket Fuel, if I had to pick just one. :)

[cinder silo]

That place also puts out 4800 steel ingots using the byproduct from the blenders.

[fleet estuary]

This is i think the most i was able to do.

[dusky dust]

The full nuclear chain is more complex, yeah, but I tire of fuel gen spam pretty quickly

(and yet I don't mind the Pure refinery recipes. Go figure!)

[fleet estuary]

I didnt got nuclear Yet. But im hyped about it.

[dusky dust]

Next video should use https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugIfnMklciY

[fleet estuary]

There is really no need.🥲

[cinder silo]

I instantly canned the video playback due to ad, I do not allow ads.

[dusky dust]

Or maybe Deathprod's Morals and Dogma

You want some creepy background music, I got some creepy background music for y'all. :D

[dusky dust]

oh, heh, sorry -- just picked the rando first hit. :P

[cinder silo]

Yeah, my Pi hole blocks ads, and also blocks adblock blockers thanks to scripts.

[fleet estuary]

How much time did you guys had until you did the Supercomputer and Radio Control unit?

[cinder silo]

But apparently I need to add stuff to pihole so they don't get passed through discord it seems 🥶

[fleet estuary]

I kinda dont want to do it and try to do anything else then these

[dusky dust]

Unfortunately NWW's Salt Marie Celeste doesn't appear to be on their bandcamp. Ah well! Gotta be in A Mood™ for that one, but it is so delicious if you are

[cinder silo]

This is a really ancient clip but shows how I dealt with computers, super computers and radio control units under one roof #design-and-architecture message

[dusky dust]

Originally a soundscape constructed for installation in an art gallery which was focused on the ship the Mary Celeste, later reworked in album form. Essentially meant to evoke the feeling of being a ship slowly sinking into the sea. Glorious stuff. :D (Though I'm wandering far off into #off-topic-general territory so I'll shut up)

[fleet estuary]

Your just showing me that i can even less bc i also really want to learn designing but just dont do it bc i also dont want to rn but still wanna have the Skills

[cinder silo]

The idea behind the place is to use smart splitters from single feeds, the assemblers on one side produces computers, the machines on the left use them and the excess from all of it passes through to be sorted later.

[cinder silo]

Adblock rule updated, got it playing now.

[fleet estuary]

and this is my newest Factory with newest recipes. (I understood what you ment)

[cinder silo]

Tbh I do like vaulted ceilings, something I mostly try for as it offers so much space for adding stuff or changing where the belts lie down the line.

I don't recommend mixing every belt, only those with enough throughput to handle all of the items that group of machines call for.

[fleet estuary]

Idk what you really ment but i dont like my ceiling.

[cinder silo]

I was referring to the height of the room itself.

[fleet estuary]

I more like short Factorys. They just look Cleaner.

[cinder silo]

This is an older example of the outside of one of mine.

I tried to mix the glass with the bones of the structure itself to add a kind of flourish.

[fleet estuary]

Yeah, but my thing about these that it missing lights. But i cant really use light or just dont like them bc they feed of my Frames.

[cinder silo]

This is an open example of how I deliver electric to the individual machines before the roof is constructed.

I have a lighting example that would work, but it is a complete pain to build, here's the results.

[fleet estuary]

I mean, i do the Power just completly at the end. I just build and only after everything is dont i do the Power.

[cinder silo]

The array blueprints are entirely encased within the glass foundations, and slot neatly into a foundation 1x8x8 based ceiling with no projections.

Best part, no actual power needed.

[fleet estuary]

Why do they just look like a Foundation they should add

[cinder silo]

Each array is made of one glass foundation, two small billboards set to maximum brightness (four for the double arrays) and two metal frame floors.

The reason they look like just a foundation is the billboards are buried within the glass, and the frames are aligned with the surface to force the look.

[fleet estuary]

Looks sick

[cinder silo]

Clipped out of one of my vids, but this is an example of how I use those lighting foundations.

Along with glass roof sections.

Errrk! 🥶 , I just realised I was discussing architecture in the Math & Meta channel 🤦‍♂️ 😢 , sorry folks.

[fleet estuary]

Should i just destroy all of them and see what will work and what will not work? or should i plan for everything they do and reverse engineer kinda what they do?

They are a critical part of the Structur i got in my World. I dont know what they do. they stand there since forever

[frosty owl]

Smh
Shaking My Helmet

[cloud wadi]

What tier of power pole is that? They look like mk 1, If they are mk 1 then id say try to upgrade them to higher tiers for more connections per pole

[fleet estuary]

They are MK2

[cloud wadi]

Id say aim for the mark 3 for the 10 connections then organize from there

[fleet estuary]

I got the mk 3 for a long time. Idk what they do there. Its Critical infrastructur and idk if i should destroy then and see what will happen or calculate everything.

[cloud wadi]

Ohhhh, i mis understood could you go one by one connecting them do a more organized power system, like go pole by pole

[vapid gorge]

if you're trying to keep thing organised just stick to mk1s

buy the power socket in the awesome shop and have 1 socket or pole per 1 or 2 machines, built right next to them

keeps things tidy and not a crazy spider web

the higher tier poles become messy really fast

the only time I've found real mechanical use of a higher tier socket is when creating a complicated switch board.
which got made obsolete by priority power switches

[fleet estuary]

Destroyed everything and on a 1 Singular Pole(Fuse just blow 1 Time). Idk what you mean with Power Socket bc i cant find it in the Shop. When you do things right then the Mk3 Poles can look Satisfying.

[fleet estuary]

The thing is. It just got Stuck there bc i rebuilded my Old Iron farm into a New one(Thats why its dark there its more Above.) Where i do now all my Iron Plates/rods/Reinforced Plates/Modular Frames/Screws and upload them

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch socket

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=socket

[cinder silo]

You can also put the wall/ceiling sockets on the floor with certain shenanigans.

[vapid gorge]

it is not coming up in the search and thats weird

ah 'outlet' https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Wall_Outlets

much cleaner and tidier

[quasi hare]

need help with math how do i transport only 67.5 of something?

[vapid gorge]

what's your fastest belt speed?

[quasi hare]

mk3

270

[vapid gorge]

clock 3 groups of smelters then

one group to each of the numbers you need

and only merge those
Clocking and selectively merging machines is your most powerful and simplest tool you have for logistical management for the whole game 🙂

[quasi hare]

thanks

[vapid gorge]

if you had a fast enough belt for all of them you could also have just made all three of the constructor groups on the same belt

but clocking and selectively merging works in essentially all situations

[quasi hare]

yea im working on getting mk 4 rn just need some stuff

[vapid gorge]

oh it's not critical to have mk4s. And apart from getting more from miners , you can keep belts in smaller groups very easily
it's just sometimes more convenient to have larger groups 🙂

[quasi hare]

I just like the way they look plus it’s easier if your trying to take things a long way

[vapid gorge]

that's fair, just don't need it for the plan you've got 🙂

[pliant zenith]

Has anyone found the most efficient ways to make fuel fron oil?

[vapid gorge]

by most efficient do you mean most fuel from oil?

[pliant zenith]

Yes

Preferably them all ranked

[vapid gorge]

oil to heavy oil ALT to Diluted fuel ALT

[pliant zenith]

Or atleast best one for phase 2

[pliant zenith]

Im assuming diluted packaged works fine too?

[vapid gorge]

either works

[pliant zenith]

Imma do some research

[vapid gorge]

oil is phase 3

[vapid gorge]

on?

[pliant zenith]

Just on oil in general

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=kQUTGXelXGsM6IF4m0BZ Fuel

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

@safe bridge for example these are common layouts for coal gens

you have to look at how much water coal gens use pm and how much each extractor outpouts

[safe bridge]

ok

[dense trail]

I have a unique layout, I transport the water together, and combine them at every water port, let me get on and look for my power plant

[safe bridge]

i don't know how to give a good overhead pic

[vapid gorge]

photomode helps 🙂 you can build somethign tall too

[safe bridge]

lookout tower might be a good one

[vapid gorge]

a physical example https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1454944882614472836/1454964525777555629/Coal_power_Water_Extractor.png?ex=6972a4ce&is=6971534e&hm=2363aed39d3549ab5f88d43855903328f3cd002004fa8273e7afb03284b6ac4c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[safe bridge]

that's not a good pic

[dense trail]

are you building on the ground?

[vapid gorge]

first step - build on foundations 🙂

especially with fluids. Coal gens are more resilient but you want to make it on foundations as a habit

[safe bridge]

i'm not good at taking pics

even with photomode

the foundations by the pipes right there are there so i can get over the pipes without going round every time

i need a better way of doing things

[dense trail]

this is the second floor to my setup

[safe bridge]

i know it's ugly but it works, at least for right now

that's fricking awesome!

[dense trail]

Water comes in from the left, and coal comes in from the right.

[safe bridge]

how do you get it to look so neat?

[dense trail]

Foundations is a start

[safe bridge]

yes

[dense trail]

And use ctrl to line buildings up easily

[safe bridge]

so, should i scrap what i have, build foundations and rebuild?

[dense trail]

I'd say building above the water is the best idea.

[safe bridge]

for everything?

[dense trail]

I took advantage of the lake in the dune forest and exploited the heck out of it, 32 coal gens.

[safe bridge]

dayum!!!

[dense trail]

(which is the photo I shared, the second floor to my 32 coal gen power plant)

[vapid gorge]

building over water isn't critical - depends on your overall design

[safe bridge]

that seems impossible to me, 32 gens

[vapid gorge]

and you do need a bunch of power quickly. first 32 gens and then maybe 64

[safe bridge]

i don't have any design

[dense trail]

well, start small.

[vapid gorge]

just make 4x groups of 8 🙂

find like 4 coal nodes next to water

[dense trail]

I started with 8 gens for my first design in the grasslands

[safe bridge]

i have 2 where i am

[vapid gorge]

find a different spot 🙂 every start zone has at least one spot like that nearby

[dense trail]

I got rid of the whole thing because it sucked. I used pumps in inappropriate places thinking it would increase flow rate, and made a giant load balancer system not knowing how fluids worked.

[safe bridge]

i've already moved closer to the coal from where i was before

[vapid gorge]

I believe this is east of where you are right now https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1439217940141441107/image.png?ex=6972b4e8&is=69716368&hm=16af47e5e0385f076a4d99febf9a913099efa689524f589dd04a7908a8b020aa&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[vapid gorge]

distant power is good - just cable it in

it's very easy to import power
get used to not having everythign in one spot

[safe bridge]

this is totally blowing my simple little mind

[vapid gorge]

that's just 8 groups of 8

[safe bridge]

yes

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[dense trail]

Welcome to late early game.

[safe bridge]

still

[vapid gorge]

It uses the middle diagram but a variation of it

So make 1 of those.
Then keep going 🙂

[dense trail]

I wish you the best of luck on your pursuit of mid game, as the early game is coming to an end for you!

[safe bridge]

i wish the same thing

i'm still on phase 2

long way to go

[dense trail]

Once you finish phase 2, say goodbye to early game!! You gonna be with the big lads on the big projects.

[safe bridge]

sounds cool

[queen umbra]

Euh

[dense trail]

Making big big factories, and uh... Big.

[safe bridge]

but mind blowing

[queen umbra]

Big power plant

[safe bridge]

more more more

[dense trail]

10000 MW turbofuel power plant had me trippin

I didn't even know it would do that much

[safe bridge]

holy cow, batman!

what on earth is turbo fuel?

[dense trail]

Tier 5 shenanigans

[safe bridge]

i see

[dense trail]

Really useful

Really cool

[safe bridge]

or should i say, what on Massage 2B(b)?

[dense trail]

Nah, I'm going to 4546b to exploit the extreme amount of titanium found there.

[safe bridge]

how do you do that?

[dense trail]

Anyway, we are getting off topic, BACK TO GENERAL!!1!

[safe bridge]

i don't want to start again

[slow fjord]

Auto balance spliter merger. Am I cooked ?

[safe bridge]

whats' the purple stuff in the pipe?

[dense trail]

Heavy oil residue

(Again, tier 5 shenanigans)

[safe bridge]

it looks a cordial

like blackberry or something

[dense trail]

Mk 2 pipes

[slow fjord]

I'm making bottled water for my nuclear plant to add to the water consumption and not have 50 million water extractors but I need 2 going to the water packager not every other

[slow fjord]

Over flow protection

[safe bridge]

are you on phase 3 or 4?

[slow fjord]

I just got to 4 last night.. I'm already planning for my nuclear factory

[safe bridge]

ok

[slow fjord]

Yeah I be manually making my space elevator parts with somersloop multiplier so I get it done in half the cost. I have 3 slooped machines and make lots of stuff with them manually

[gaunt tartan]

So I have 6 500 pipes can I take that turn it into 5 and then have 5 600 by splitting that into each of them? Idk if this is more a math question so going here

[safe bridge]

sounds like fun

[slow fjord]

This is my current power plant. Technically it's end game power but I want unlimited power haha

[safe bridge]

mauahahahah

[gaunt tartan]

Hey I'm working on my power rn

[slow fjord]

All that off 2 nodes

[gaunt tartan]

Chat can I do that tho?

I feel like that's technically load balancing pipes no?

[safe bridge]

are they pure nodes?

[slow fjord]

No. You get 600 from point a to point b no matter how you split it up

[gaunt tartan]

Yeah that's what I want is 600 instead of 500

[slow fjord]

The only way it works like that is if your running off a oil well

[gaunt tartan]

So I spilt the 500 into 5 of the pipes of 500 too make them 600

Cuz 500 +100 going too each would get me that and make this so much nicer

[slow fjord]

What pipes mk1 or mk 2?

[gaunt tartan]

MK2 ofc

[slow fjord]

Mk 2 the most you can get from start to end is 600pm

[gaunt tartan]

This is mine lol

[gaunt tartan]

Ik this that's not what I'm trying too do

[safe bridge]

does it matter how far you are from your power plant to where you want to build?

like does it matter how long the wires are?

[slow fjord]

Idk if ehat your trying to do will work out but it doesn't hurt to tinker and find out

[slow fjord]

The power lines can go wherever you want how ever far you want up to 500 m in-between placements. Just gonna be difficult if you want 1 main control room cuz everything needs to be wired back to the control room

[safe bridge]

i see

so the power doesn't get weaker the further you are from the power source?

[vapid gorge]

sounds like you're overcopmlicated thigns. Without specifics can't say if you're cooked or not

Also avouid fluid buffers in pipe systems

either does nothing or causes problems.

[gaunt tartan]

If I have 6 pipes of 500 and want 5 pipes of 600 can I take one and split it into the others?

[vapid gorge]

technically? yes. Should you? no

[gaunt tartan]

Why shouldn't I cuz like the 600 pipes would be super nice

[vapid gorge]

because you run into flow issues, backflow just from merging them.
plus when you need to troubleshoot things you have to check THE WHOLE THING for problems instead of individual sections

that and higher flow pipes are more susceptible to poor piping (merging tons of systems together is poor piping)

it's technically possible, decide if it's worth the work

[gaunt tartan]

I think so it makes everything super easy

[vapid gorge]

why? just have systems that run on 500.

and you're completely ignoring all the very much not super easy things I told you.

Anyway, you have been warned of the pitfalls, you do you

[gaunt tartan]

I'm gonna try it cuz the fuel goes too turbofuel which first starts the rocketfuel and then that makes the compacted coal which then gets sent too the other turbofuel refineries which are gonna be using the other part of the fuel so it will have a lot of time too backup

[gaunt tartan]

Because the machines are built and by doing 600 it splits 1 pipe into 2 rows very nicely

Like the pipes should fill and machines will too and then the blenders will backfill anyway

Also technically making a tad too much fuel so

[frail hare]

In reference to coal generators and manifolds. splitting one line of coal, into 6 by spitting it 1>3>2 or 1>2>3? Or does it not matter?

[vapid gorge]

manifolds work everywhere

but with a mk2 belt you can easily feed 8 gens 🙂

[vapid gorge]

you can also just have 1 line split in 2 over and over

[celest rune]

For manifolds, do you always use the best belt you have?

[frail hare]

Right, but does it change anything really or is it just preference? In the end the math is the same, so i figure it doesn't matter how you split something simple like 1 into 6

[celest rune]

1 -> 2 -> 3 3

[vapid gorge]

it's simplest, removes the mistake of having a low tier belt

[vapid gorge]

manifolds and load balancers are both 100% efficien't not sure what you're looking for

[frail hare]

Just nit-picking at things that hit the greymatter. I think i answered my own question and if not i'll just experiment. thank you

[vapid gorge]

the only mechanical dif between laod balancers and manifolds is LBs take more time to build plan and more space

[bleak wagon]

Which of these is the more optimal way of making ionized rocket fuel?

Im only making some for my jetpack

[wind spade]

that depends how you yourself define "optimal"

[bleak wagon]

I figured, I really just dont feel like using power shards on fuel so I just answered my own question

[wind spade]

🙂

[bleak wagon]

Back to planning my main base lol

convinced im making a circuit board atp though

[vapid gorge]

Well ionised fuel isn't a great choice for power and if it's for jet packs, you don't need much. So shardless seems fine?

[bleak wagon]

Yeah and I just checked the shards recipe and it uses dark matter crystals anyway so

only extra thing is canisters 2 times, but theyre cheap anyway

[frosty owl]

You can swap the position of different inputs/outputs in the same node if you want.
Eg: swapping Steel Pipes and Reinforced Plated inputs on the rightmost node would prevent them from crossing one another (making the layout cleaner with little effort)

[bleak wagon]

Yeah, Im trying to get all the connections first before i make it look nice

cause like

its only gonna get worse as I put more things in

Im trying to plan out everything Im going to need to put in a dimensional depot so I can make a main base and have it ready for when I finish phase 4

[frosty owl]

Sure, I'm just suggesting it as that's what you shared ^^
The easier the plan is to read, the less of a hard time people have understanding it to help you out (if that's needed)

[bleak wagon]

Very true. Somewhere I have a picture of a nuclear chain that looked like a brain

[frosty owl]

... You don't wanna see my nuclear chain

[bleak wagon]

Used all the uranium on the map, unfortunately I eventally lost the project plan so its unfinished

[frosty owl]

Huh?
How did you just "lose" your whole factory plan?! O.o

[bleak wagon]

steam cloud got overridden by another one of my computers and the computer it wouldve been on locally the drive got fucked up, was a very unfortunate timing

had 200 hours on that save and so much was sent to the nuclear power plant that I couldnt really recover it, and my motivation for it was completely killed so didnt play Satisfactory much after

[frosty owl]

Urgh, yeah, no wonder...

[bleak wagon]

This has been my first real save since then. Waiting on the space elevator to finish for phase 3 so I can get out of the tutorial

working on aluminum planning atp, isnt electrode scrap the best in terms of bauxite to ingots

appears to be

[wind spade]

it's equal to instant + sloppy

difference is what black rock you use

[bleak wagon]

and sulfiric acid

so you need a yellow rock too

[wind spade]

acid isn't a rock 😛

[bleak wagon]

sulfur is

[wind spade]

by that definition coke isn't 🙂

[bleak wagon]

shit

[frosty owl]

It's a HOR rock

[wind spade]

no that would be HORrible

[bleak wagon]

I was so confused for a moment

[wind spade]

why not reuse the water?

[bleak wagon]

I am, but i have to get rid of it eventually somehow

[wind spade]

no

[frosty owl]

I think he meant "using it inside the same production chain", ie: without adding Limestone just to process it

[bleak wagon]

because doing that can lead to issues very easily

[wind spade]

not if done right

e.g.

[bleak wagon]

Im a little confused on that tbh

[wind spade]

it doesn't merge fresh and byproduct water. So the fresh water never backs up the system

[bleak wagon]

Yeah, I understand that. I shouldve been more specific. What I dont get is how to lay that out.

[wind spade]

exactly how it is in the image 🙂 it shows piping

then you just belt in bauxite and belt scrap out

[bleak wagon]

Yeah my brain hated laying that out in satisfactory modeler

[wind spade]

you could use SatisfactoryTools and it would be layed out for you automatically

[bleak wagon]

and I still think its wrong on this

[low grove]

self sustaining systems are scary

[wind spade]

this is not self-sustaining tho, it requires input

[wind spade]

could just make one node for each refinery type

[bleak wagon]

I like manually laying everything out and picking the recipes for big things, I love using satisfactory tools for smaller temporary factories though

[bleak wagon]

yeah this was my understanding what i need to do layout

[wind spade]

I personally would do the layout ingame, not in modeler

game is much better layout planner

(and has the added benefit that once you finish planning, you have it already built 🙂 )

[frosty owl]

I think you can easily do it by: adding one more Sloppy node so you have 2 of them (A and B)

• Limit A by water input to consume only as much water as the Scrap refineries are making
• Limit B by output so it makes (solution needed by Scrap refineries minus Solution made by A)

B would be fed fresh water, while A would consume all "byproduct" water

[bleak wagon]

I know theres weird things you can do with somersloops to make an aluminum setup self sustain water

[wind spade]

that's more like a "cool thing that's possible" than "actually useful"

[bleak wagon]

yeah

[frosty owl]

It feels pretty good to figure that one out too

[low grove]

oh right, i forgot about that part
i meant using output for input

was producing too little water then injected some water and the next time i came back the whole factory was backed up