math-and-meta

[mossy halo]

auto-round doesn't help me in every situation. The manual clock rounding steps to help me more

[agile junco]

I guess it's faster than clicking the +/- a few times... but it's a lot more limited.

[lilac lantern]

base clock speed math, so for what ever part i want to upscale i know required amount of inputs for that chain. Does that make more sense?

[wind spade]

you can try giving https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/ a try

[agile junco]

That doesn't sound like optimizing as much as just solving a spesific production system.

Optimizing is more generally about finding the "best" choice of recipes to get a target production rate of some items.

SFTools it great, but generally optimizes for least consumption AFAIK.

[lilac lantern]

Ah ok

[wind spade]

yeah, but you can easily just toggle recipes to "force" it down the path you want

[unique cypress]

resource consumption, but yes

[agile junco]

If you don't have a lot of alt recipes, then it's kinda moot.

[agile junco]

Yes thank you, that's what I meant. Not energy consumption.

[agile junco]

One path I'd love to force it down is number of buildings, since I do sometimes use leached because I'm lazy.

[unique cypress]

SF optimizer can do that iirc

[wind spade]

that one is a bit problematic, as if it had e.g. these two paths:

• two buildings, each at 10% clock speed (0.1 of a building x2)
• one building at 50% clock speed (0.5)

in the first case it's actually two buildings and in the second case just one building, but the first case has "less total" at 0.2 vs 0.5, so it'd pick that one

[agile junco]

Oh neat. I honestly didn't even know about this project.

[lilac lantern]

im trying to avoid "static" belts/buildings because either inputs or outputs are too little/much

[agile junco]

I mean, this is why clock speeds would need to be factored in, because as you point out 0.2 of X < 0.5 Y is not necessarily true.

But yea, might represent a larger change to your code.

[unique cypress]

and you don't really want it to optimize like logistics does

it often adds like one or 2 machines using a different recipe

not sure what's their optimization cryteria, but it's not particularly useful when every item is made with 2+ recipes

[wind spade]

clock speed is unfortunately no longer linear solving and would need a completely different solver

[agile junco]

I ran into that a bit with my train solver.

[agile junco]

https://github.com/Zistack/Satisfactory-Optimizer?tab=readme-ov-file#machines-machine-real-

As it is the sum of potentially fractional values, and a single machine cannot be used for more than one recipe, this is really a lower bound on the actual number of machines that you will have to build. It can still be used to get an idea of how the production is distributed.

Seems limited in the same way, but might give somewhat reasonable approximations.

[wind spade]

yeah, afaik all solvers that do count with clock speed use "0.1 machine" as a valid value

basically "if you built close to infinity amount of these setups, this one would have least buildings"

[agile junco]

There are ways to optimize non-linear systems, but I'm not really familiar with the methods.

Dual Annealing seems most interesting to me, but I really can't say why.

[lilac lantern]

I appreciate the help Thanks guys!

[frosty owl]

Wouldn't the issue be solved by just rounding up all values when calculating the totals?
Eg: 0.1+0.1=1+1 > 0.5=1
(assuming the two machines at 10% have different recipes ofc, else they'd be 0.2=1)

[wind spade]

rounding up is exactly what linear solver doesn't really do 🙂 there's obviously some workarounds but... 🙂

(also it would lead to weird cases like 1.001 of a machine being equal to 1.999 of a machine)

[frosty owl]

Why would that be a weird case? If it's more than one machine, it's two, what's wrong with that?

[wind spade]

well because in those cases it is quite obvious that one of the paths is "more machine efficient", just in the given production target it is considered equal

so people would say "why doesn't the tool pick the obviously more machine efficient path"

[frosty owl]

Tbf, they're the same. The rounding should actually go by steps of 2.5 to make sense, but I think the point stands: wether it's 1.1 or 2.4, it would still mean just one machine in game; the fact that one route may use more power isnt quite relevant to which path has the least buildings (other than how it affects the buildcount on power, but that's besides the point xD)

[wind spade]

well point is that they are no longer the same if you scale up the production

[frosty owl]

The user can just compare a scaled up version, or scale things proportionally on their own. It doesn't look like an issue to me (like the tool doesn't bother with wether a setup scales well with output belts, that's for the user to tinker with)

[molten arrow]

Which way is more efficient? Fuel to plastic (per polymer resin) or Plastic to Fuel (per heavy oil)

[oblique hollow]

depends on what you need

[wind spade]

and how do you define "efficient"

[oblique hollow]

polymer resin to plastic / rubber makes less plastic / rubber per crude oil
Heavy oil to residual fuel makes less fuel per crude oil

[molten arrow]

Less refinery use

[oblique hollow]

both use a lot of refineries. Polymer resin needs water too

[queen umbra]

All of that is to make modular engine does it look good?

It only makes 2/ mon

[vapid gorge]

well it seems functional? not much architecture to it but that's often not important as you're learning

[queen umbra]

Functional 🥲

Long live clipping

[vapid gorge]

functional is Great. Don't diss functional 😛 it's a lot more than some people have got

I seriously wouldn't worry about architecture until you've unlocked everything and making really permanent factories

[queen umbra]

I wouldn't care a all lol I just want it to be organized

[vapid gorge]

and that's the first step to fancy architecture too - planning out all the machines and logistical space you need 🙂

[median hill]

Are pumps strictly necessary for less than 10 meter of head lift?

[vapid gorge]

nope

machines have a natural headlift of 10m , if you're not going over that you don't need more headlift

[median hill]

I thought so. Thanks!

[atomic folio]

Question. cause I forgot. and I looked at the pipe guide, but it wasn't saying exactly what I was looking for. or maybe I'm just not able to read it like a smart person

When a pipeline junction is built verticly. what are the priorities? I remember kibitz put it in a video a few months back but i cant find the exact video

isnt it that, Top is priority 1, side is 2. bottom is 3?

[light zodiac]

something like that if i remember. top was 1e.

[atomic folio]

so this should work fine?

[wind spade]

tbh I wouldn't count on priorities (especially since you can rotate it). Just use it normally

[atomic folio]

especally since I can rotate it?? you mean the junction?

[wind spade]

yeah

[atomic folio]

but then my system is going to back up with water.

[wind spade]

then build it so that it doesn't

[atomic folio]

thats what im doing. am i not?

[wind spade]

I'm assuming it's for aluminum?

[atomic folio]

y u p

[wind spade]

don't merge fresh and recycled water, then you never back up water

[dusky dust]

If you're trying to combine "fresh" and "recycled" water in the same pipe system, the safest way to do that is with a VIP Junction, from that pipeline manual. IMO it's far better to just keep the fresh and recycled totally separate, though (as greeny's just posted)

[wind spade]

too fast for ya

[dusky dust]

Use overclocking/underclocking to get the numbers just right, re: keeping things separate

Like if you work the numbers you're likely to end up with a refinery which'd have to take like 25% fresh and 75% recycled, so you could split that one in two and clock them like that, etc.

(Or overclock some adjacent ones to consume the extra)

[atomic folio]

all I was asking about junction priority. now im getting grilled over how im being in a sandbox game.

cool.

[wind spade]

the thing is that there's no documented or intended priority. Anything that may seem like it has priority is most likely a bug or invalid observation. Hence why we don't recommend it nor know a lot about it

and since there's a chance that 1.2 may bring some pipe changes (not confirmed yet afaik, but speculated), even more reason to not rely on magic setups

[atomic folio]

as far as im concerned, the pipe manual is a magic setup XD

[wind spade]

pipe manual isn't "you should build this way" either

It's more like a collection of things that are technically possible (and the author is working on updated version)

though the screen I sent above is from the manual, so that part I'd agree with 🙂 in general, you want your pipes to be as simple as possible, which includes not merging unless really necessary

[atomic folio]

reason why I was asking about it. was because i wanted to make a tight nit system like this. Where I can just plug in water, crude oil. and get out, polymer resin.

I wanted a similar tileable design like this but for my aluminum.

Just input bauxite, copper ore, and water. job done.

[dusky dust]

Genuinely sorry if it's seeming that way, btw! Just a topic that comes up a lot and sometimes the advice might end up sounding a bit curt since we type it out so much. We're just trying to help out your piping, all good!

Keeping the fresh+recycled separate is nearly always your most failsafe way to do it, though

No relying on weird fluid dynamics in the game, no having to build VIP Junctions properly -- so long as the clocking on the machines is right it should Just Work

That said, a properly-build VIP Junction should be quite solid. KYO297 may have some build advice if they notice it.

[atomic folio]

I know. just reminded me of how the community was back in the day with update 3-5. back when I realised you could effectively rocket jump with the nobelisk. or even survive a fall that would kill you with one. and every hounded on me telling me to "just use the jetpack" even tho i was tier 4 at the time

[wind spade]

though the VIP will still break if system gets full for some reason (e.g. extractor stops providing water), opposed to how the separated systems work

[dusky dust]

The two main issues with VIP Junctions is:

1. They can be really particular about build style, so they're easy to get wrong (though once you have one done "properly" they should be solid)
2. If CSS ever tweaks the fluid dynamics in the game, VIP Junctions aren't necessarily guaranteed to continue working (though IMO that's unlikely)

[atomic folio]

I do believe they said they want to avoid any major major changed now that 1.0 is out. which is why they did alot of big changes, like overhauling alot of recipes. for 1.0

[dusky dust]

(And I suppose "3. The person who created the VIP Junction doesn't recommend its use anymore." :D)

[atomic folio]

but its not impossible

[dusky dust]

Indeed! Though there have been some hints that they're looking to address some common fluid issues in v1.2. We'll see how it goes! Mostly what we've got to go on is a video thumbnail which goes largely unmentioned during the video itself.

[wind spade]

on the other hand, this discord and QA site is filled with "pipes broken help" messages, which most of them think pipes are buggy (and they aren't), so CSS may decide to do changes in this field anyway

[wind spade]

wdym, they shown fluid truck, that fixes everything for sure

[dusky dust]

Heh, that's one of the possibilities for what the joke is, for sure. :D

It still feels like that'd be a bit of a cruel joke but I honestly wouldn't put it past 'em. :P

Time will tell! The joke's either "lol, we just added a fluid truck," or "lol, psyched you out with the fluid truck thing"

[atomic folio]

Also, unrelated- cause i wish it is a change they'd do.

have like a train only blueprint designer, so we can have a way to make blueprints for stuff like, T-Junctions, or X-Junctions XD

[wind spade]

afaik X and T junctions fit into mk3

[atomic folio]

fair. I recently lost my old save due to my m.2 dieing, so im just now catching back up to aluminum, so I only have mk2

I really hope they fix valves with 1.2 XD

[crimson moat]

Junctions that don't have all of their connections at the same height are bugged so that 2/4 of the connections are calculated wrong, and which ones those are / how they are calculated wrong depends on exactly how you rotate or build the junction

so the question has multiple answers, and all of them are wrong 😄

it's cursed enough to just never touch them

One specific rotation does have fluid flowing uphill more aggressively than it wants to fall down, and that can be used for priority. But you can also have it rotated 90 degrees on one of the other axis while looking almost identical and it will not do that at all, instead breaking some different stuff.

[atomic folio]

wonder if its possible to just, sommer sloop scrap production and just feed itself XD

[crimson moat]

you can

sloopy aluminum ;D

[atomic folio]

y u p

[mossy halo]

Wondering how then T junctions or other junctions from a mod will behave

[oblique hollow]

In regards to?

If you wanna make a VIP with them: you can

I tested them

Though is at least requires a 90° bend

[atomic folio]

This seems to work amazingly well.

better picture. sorry, didnt process that the storage was covered-

byproduct being "recycled" (my brain forgot the word when typing the sign)

if the fluid buffer fills up, then there might be some issues. so you need a bigger buffer. or more.

[versed violet]

You could use water sink.
Uses coal or petrol coke, consumes -75MW, useful for getting rid of water.

[atomic folio]

sadly that wouldnt fit into a mk2 designer

[queen umbra]

Is it bad if I put a lot of pumps even they aren't required?

[oblique hollow]

Just means using more power

[grand osprey]

Guys one question how do I split 60 coal into 4 pieces of 15 without doing a complete mess with a splitters?

[mossy halo]

3 splitters

[grand osprey]

How

Like actually I’m not kidding I can’t see it

[oblique hollow]

you split the belt in half

and then split each half in half again

thats 3 splitters

[grand osprey]

I tried that’s and got over 7

Six now

[mossy halo]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1457809624211128321

you just use two of the three outputs of each splitter

[oblique hollow]

you dont have to use all 3 outputs

[grand osprey]

This is what I came up with

[oblique hollow]

thats still way too complicated

you only need 3 splitters

thats all you need

you dont need that one splitter and you dont need the mergers

[mossy halo]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1457809624211128321

[grand osprey]

Oh damn

Yeah Idk how i didn’t tough Of that

Like actually 🤣

[nova vortex]

Is 450 a min noblick enough to last me for the rest of the game when it comes to making other kinds ( im t8)

[unique cypress]

450 nobelisks per minute?

that's like 100x too much

ok, maybe 50

[vapid gorge]

what mc said

[queen umbra]

Mc?.

[vapid gorge]

mcgaleon replied to you earlier

[queen umbra]

Idk

[agile junco]

I'm still very unexperienced with fluids really, but this doesn't seem right to me.

[queen umbra]

Is it normal that ALL of this is only to make ONE adaptive control unit per minute seems that something is wrong

[agile junco]

Just wait until you want nuclear pasta

or ballistic warp drives (I haven't even started thinking about those yet)...

[queen umbra]

It's only copper powder and pressure cube seems easy to me

[agile junco]

You might consider making independent factories each on a slightly larger scale soon though, before you end up with too much spagetti connecting everything. I made that mistake and had drones kinda fix it... but it was a mess for a while.

Base recipe pressure conversion cube:

[queen umbra]

Lol you see the spaghett it doesn't really bother me yet I run foundation really high up to run my conveyor

[agile junco]

1 nuclear pasta /min is 115 machines.

85 if you have all the alt recipes. Probably more though, since I don't use the "optimal" builds from SFTools exactly.

[queen umbra]

I didn't chose any alternated recipe yet

[agile junco]

recycled rubber and plastic are really good.

I also use iron pipe a decent bit.

and steamed copper sheet.

Iron wire is great, but feels like cheating.

Pure ingots are the best though.

[vapid gorge]

pick item recipes you think you'll be making next - they aren't doing any good in there

[queen umbra]

Idk what I want or what I will need

[queen umbra]

Why?

[vapid gorge]

whats your next factory?

Iron wire just swaps a basic resource for another - pretty normal ALT recipe thing

[queen umbra]

Probably heavy modular frame

[vapid gorge]

ok so you'll be making RIPs, and Mod frames first , so recipes that impact tha twill change things around

Wet concrete is useful for HMF

Steeled frame could also be useful

[queen umbra]

Or I move on the phase 4 without making one yet there is always a item not use it a phase but super useful in the next I guess it's going to be heavy modular frame idk

[wind spade]

then choose

[vapid gorge]

great combo for HMF production

[queen umbra]

Lot of screw related stuff I see

[vapid gorge]

the bolted frames and plates take a lot of screws, but steel screws make lots of screws easy

[vapid gorge]

most recipes are 'better' when comboed 🙂

[queen umbra]

I want to keep some for later like something related to turbo fuel I don't remember

[wind spade]

you can always get more drives 🤷

[vapid gorge]

that's fair

Oh also try to find Heavy Encased Frame

very similar to the base recipe but cuts down resource cost

[queen umbra]

I have done a lot already I need to explore the red desert and the normal desert next I hope it's not too dangerous

I've explore all of this I consider that a lot for the point I am in the game but idk it's my first playthrough

[queen umbra]

That's helpful

[wind spade]

there's not really a reason to not get all recipes

[agile junco]

copper conducts electricity better.

[queen umbra]

Sure but like i need to progress to then unlock more

[agile junco]

You can eventually avoid screws altogether which can be nice.

[vapid gorge]

Example of the recipes I was talking about https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=pkrmpfFXQgDidKe2VVOf

and you have most of it I think

[agile junco]

The only recipe I literally always use now are the pure ingots because they give so much more per ore.

[queen umbra]

This is really nice lots of coal but it's ok

[vapid gorge]

it's a lot cheaper in coal than without the recipes 🙂

[vapid gorge]

same output no alt recipes https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=tC7YMRiNKgZwRFZzxblJ

TONS more iron too

[agile junco]

It's not uncommon for recipes to cut resources basically in half.

[queen umbra]

Yeah but it adds water but water isn't generally a problem I think

[agile junco]

Unless you're in the middle of the desert, no not usually.

ratios are so nice.

just lots of space taken up by refineries.

[queen umbra]

I got to explore all those places

[agile junco]

That mountain isn't on the map

[queen umbra]

Uh 🥲

[agile junco]

unless I'm wrong... there is a mountain in the north, that just doesn;t look liek it

[queen umbra]

And those are my factory

[agile junco]

Love the ladder to heaven.

[queen umbra]

Yeah looks good from up there but it takes 5 min to climb

[agile junco]

Make some hypertubes

[queen umbra]

I could just gotta unlock them but don't you need to place it on wall to go vertical I don't want to build 1000 wall

[agile junco]

just make a bunch of enterances back to back and then a vertical exit and it will shoot you way up.

hypertube cannons are pretty nice for getting around the map until you get portals.

Of course, I did a lot of travel by zipwire before I realized you could do this.

[queen umbra]

How many hypertube entrance

[agile junco]

Depends how high you want to go.

I don't know the numbers, but each one adds a bit of velocity.

< 10.

One-way cannon is []= []= []= []=..., two-way speedway is []=[] []=[] []=[]....

where [] is an entrance, and = is a tube, and (space) is a gap.

[queen umbra]

Yeah I did one but u need a lot of entrance more than I thought

[cyan yoke]

can you guys help me split off 27 from 38 or 30 from 57 or 8 from 19? im trying to get a belt with 27pm and one with 30pm from 3 constructors that output 19:

[agile junco]

Why tho? Maybe just set the clocks appropriately?

[nova vortex]

oh bc im makin 450 a min

[agile junco]

Pretty sure the only common factors are 1, so to actually do this you'll need to split all the way down to a belt of 1 which is a lot of splitting.

[cyan yoke]

im trying to loadbalance my playthrough

[agile junco]

But they all get merged back, what's the point.

Maybe I'm missing something here.

Oh from the 3... still seems like it's a lot more effort than it's worth.

You could look at https://icemoonmagic.github.io/Satisfactory-Splitter-Calculator/, but it's not optimal.

[cyan yoke]

thats cool thx

[cyan yoke]

i just dont like manifolds

[agile junco]

Keep in mind, you can often do better by splitting belts of slower speed to create those numbers. This only does 1/3 and 1/2 splits.

[agile junco]

To each their own.

For me it's all about the steady state.

Only time I worry about balancing is power systems that need to produce quickly and trains.

[cyan yoke]

i like seeing items move through belts without stoping, in every phase of the production

[agile junco]

Just wait for the manifold to fill.

[cyan yoke]

i dont like them

[vapid gorge]

so if you want to load balance everything and ignore manifolds you need to plan all the steps together so you can clock sections to what they need in easy groups - sometimes add extra machines or fewer to make it easily divisible

otherwise it gets insane.
like your issue right now could be avoided if you planned the whole thing out.

and it will get only crazier the more steps you add to a process

And remember - you never need load balancers, manifolds are 100% efficient, compact and easy. I know yo usaid you hate them but they are an option

[cyan yoke]

like this?

[vapid gorge]

no not really

I mean making sure you ahve groups clocked for different groups

[agile junco]

You might need them for trains. or if power requirements for production require the system to startup faster than a manifold can fill.

[vapid gorge]

so go step by step and keep them split

[agile junco]

Just use Modeler: https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

[vapid gorge]

like sorting out ingots to constructors - if you have iron ingots going to different groups? clock the smelters to make convenient amounts to them and (probably) evenly clock the receiving machines in numbers that are divisible by 2 and or 3 to make it simpler on you

because this:

"can you guys help me split off 27 from 38 or 30 from 57 or 8 from 19? im trying to get a belt with 27pm and one with 30pm from 3 constructors that output 19:"

is nuts

clock groups of machines so you don't have to do that

[agile junco]

27 and 38 are coprime 🤣

[cyan yoke]

yea i kinda fucked the numbers up

[vapid gorge]

which is what you want to avoid at all costs - imagine having that but managing 12 steps

if you're aiming to load balance everythign you basically cant. plan EVERY step

[cyan yoke]

if i had 30 beams and 30 for the vframeworks it would ve been easier but i already made the bottom floor

and its not that bad

thx again for the web @agile junco

[vapid gorge]

that's insane, and later on you end up with way worse decimals

this is just the first couple steps of processing, you'll end up with 20+

clock groups divisible by 2 and 3 it makes splitting easy

[agile junco]

if it works for you. great.

I would never haha

[cyan yoke]

according to my table i dont need to balance anything more in the factory

[vapid gorge]

so you're manifolding everything else?

[cyan yoke]

no im not

[agile junco]

mad lad

[cyan yoke]

if u are curious i can show it when im done

[vapid gorge]

if you want to share, sure

[agile junco]

I can't imagine why people like balancing things so much. But I don't want to ruin anyone's idea of fun.

[cyan yoke]

its satisfactory hehe, get it?

[rocky ravine]

I'm brainfarting on how to make the rubber/plastic loop for my case help

this my loop, i plan to overclock everything x3 so that would be 11 refineries for rubber and 12 for plastic but idk how to set them up

[sand epoch]

Well, if you manage x3, let us all know how...

[frosty owl]

Can you be more specific as to what's confusing you?
Also, where did you pull that "x3" from?

[rocky ravine]

So i got 225 (200 from resine and 25 from later) rubber into 450 plastic that makes 900 rubber then 675 of these 900 makes 1350 plastic i still have 225 rubber -25 for above so 200. Then it's 375 plastic that can be used for 750 rubber while still having 975 plastic out. Total = 975 plastic and 950 rubber. except i should end up with 900 of each. I guess i'm gonna get limited by fuel

the overclock x3

3 shards

[mossy halo]

3 shards = 250% overclock

[rocky ravine]

yes

[mossy halo]

thats not x3

that's x2.5

[rocky ravine]

3 times overclocking not 300%

1 shard 1 overclock

3 shards 3 overclock

what i was struggling was how to set up the factory in game

which direction and how to link them

[vast gust]

easier to phrase it as one overclock 250%

[frosty owl]

... Huh?

[vast gust]

make a layout on the ground with just one machine for each step until youi can see what is going on

then plan for size later

[mossy halo]

Never seen it phrased like that, and thus the confusion here.

[rocky ravine]

right now i'm 3 plastic then 6 rubber then 9 plastic then 5 rubber

i'm probably gonna finish plugging stuff and pipes and then i'll adjust the end of the line

[agile junco]

I set the recycled rubber/plastic up in a loop using a sushi belt to both carry the output and feed the input. It worked pretty well, even at around 1150 total rubber+plastic/min on a single 1200 belt.

[frosty owl]

A Plubber loop was my first testcase to see wether splitters kept their splitting order during save-loading 😆 (ie: if they didn't, the system would show it by clogging as rubber got to the plastic inputs and vice-versa)

[mossy halo]

Plubber 😄

[agile junco]

I didn't have this issue. I didn't mix machines in order either. Just like 10 rubber then 10 plastic in a loop. The key is to have the output fed back in to the input so as soon as you have any rubber being made from the plastic (or visa versa I cannot remember now) it circles the whole system to produce more plastic.

The whole system starts from like 3 machines making plastic from resign.

[frosty owl]

It wasn't an "issue" it was a "test" 😆

Sorry, it wasnt fully related to what you said ^^
It was just about funny Plubber experiences

[tawdry sun]

im gonna regret this

[unique cypress]

Why turbo heavy fuel? Default Turbofuel is more efficient

[tawdry sun]

thats just to use up the excess compact coal

[mossy halo]

why not coal power plants with compacted coal?

[unique cypress]

yeah, and default turbofuel uses it more efficiently

[hushed silo]

feeding compacted coal back into the system is more tedious but gives more power after all

[tawdry sun]

.....huh

i think it was just because blend gave easy to work wth numbers

ill mess with standard for a bt and see f i can mae t work nce

[tawdry sun]

ok new plan

[hushed silo]

i dont get why u use nitro with normal

nitro is for ease and quick to set up
normal is just efficient
why mix both

[wanton hawk]

And he was panicking with 1500 😂

[urban bramble]

I need to worry less about my ratios and more about what to do with the remainders.

[tawdry sun]

to be fair, ,thats 1500 fuel gens ,not 1500 fuel

[digital raptor]

COAL POWERPLANT (two seperate) right one is pure coal(32 gens off 2 pure nodes mk 2 miners), left one is compacted coal(33 gens off one pure coal mk 2 and 2 impure sulfur overclocked mk2 miners). for the waterworks i have 6 fully overclocked mk 1 water extractors(2 per 11 gens totalling 600p/m water). now for the question, will this work and is my math correct, is hould have water left over and a bit of compacted coal also

[random osprey]

if I use a train to deliver resources say (200/m) on a busy junction will it still consistently deliver that amount?

[tawdry sun]

ok now i can see the dfference easier

[topaz hedge]

did you get it figured out?

[rocky ravine]

i'm trying to figure out the end. Cause now i need to regulate a couple of refinery so they don't go 100%

[topaz hedge]

what I normally do Is I build a row of refineries, and connect them togeather so there's 1 output of either plastic or rubber.

so the recipe settings for an output of rubber would be something like output <- <plastic><rubber><rubber>

[topaz hedge]

so in your case ( you'll have to drop the residual rubber out of the calculator) calculate it based on the amount of oil you have, you can decide if you need more plastic or rubber later and use the poly resin separately. you'll have four rows of refineries, (these numbers will have to be less because you're not using residual directly) each outputting 450 plastic/rubber for a total of 1800 plastic/rubber. you get slightly less product from oil doing it this way, but you save a bunch in simplicity, and robustness.

also, with single rows, if you decided you need more plastic, it's possible for example to flip the recipes on a row that produces rubber and produce more plastic

[rocky ravine]

everything is running, i'm just waiting for the monitor to tell me if i've correctly split

i'm a tad too low in platic and a tad too high in rubber cause the fuel is going on the rubber first instead of going in plastic first

the fuel isn't properly split from what i see

ok i need to put valve

cause each pipe is 400 m3 and 375 is used for 5 refinery and the 25 remaining goes for rubber at the end, but i need to put a valve to limit the flow to 25m3 otherwise it just go straight to rubber end

sloshing is making a mess out of the machinery

do blenders gives headlift for liquids?

ok no i have no idea what i did

with my math

[mossy halo]

build raised manifolds to prevent sloshing

[mint coral]

All machines that handle flyids give 10m headlift. Or rather resets it to 10m

[rocky ravine]

I did the math on paper and found out where i'm wrong, i'll adjust it when i'll be home

Was producing too much plastic (one of my machine is at 250% and should be at 20% and another one is also at 250% and should be barely above 100%

[sharp kernel]

anybody else tried doing this and seen how fast it can send you out?

[rocky ravine]

Finally fixed my stuff

mmmhhh maybe not

need to del 1 refinery

[sand epoch]

You REALLY like balancing things.. o0

Guess that setup is one option :/

[rocky ravine]

just had struggle near the end

that part was the struggle to find out

i had to write it on paper to get it right

also all machines are at 250% except the blenders

otherwise that would be around 70 refineries

looks clean, and i even painted stuff

[vapid gorge]

are you.. trying to load balance fluids?

[rocky ravine]

no?

just put pipes cleanly

and the overflow fill the remaining

[vapid gorge]

in general you really want to avoid merging and splitting of manifolds with fluids

also you have a bunch of elevation changes within the sections you're feeding machines. It's really easy to get flow issues this way

[rocky ravine]

there is heigh difference and a couple of valves

so it doesn't flow backward

if i don't do that i don't get fuel on the last refineries

[vapid gorge]

also valves are very bad at stopping back flow and generally, at best, do nothing, at worst cause issues

[rocky ravine]

can't do anything about it

[vapid gorge]

you seem to be doing lower flow set upts which help, but you can easily design later systems that just go directly from A to B. If you want consistant systems, aim for that

[rocky ravine]

i have 5.33 refineries worth of fuel, i can't think of a proper way to spread it without using valve or having the risk of a refinery stopping cause not enough fuel

[vapid gorge]

clocking

clocking solves basically every logistical issue in the game before it becomes a problem

it's the most powerful tool you have for the entirety of play time

[rocky ravine]

it's already clocked

i need to get the fuel there

and i have to link 2 pipes

to do it

[flint lagoon]

Been a while from playing and planning rocket fuel plant. Would have wanted "Nitro rocket fuel" receipe but no luck. But have "Diluted Fuel" for Blender and Packaked Diluted Fuel for refinery. And recycled plastic/rubber. Its just crazy amount of generators you could run of 1200/min oil

[echo vale]

if you theoretically used every resource node on the map all with miner mk3s, how many portable miners would that be?

[fleet estuary]

You think this would be cool? In a Single Factory? Was my Plan.

[hushed silo]

way more than you would bother to handcraft, unless...

[vapid gorge]

go to the wiki page that shows you miner nodes, add, x3.

[vapid gorge]

ok what is this for? coal power?

[tame pawn]

yh

[vapid gorge]

how many gens?

[tame pawn]

12

i just need to figure out teh first 4

[vapid gorge]

I'd break them into 2 groups of 6 or less then

[tame pawn]

and the rest is the same

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

these are simpler layouts - I'd just OC the miners and make 16 at this point

[tame pawn]

i ahve 2 water gen per 4 coal gen

[vapid gorge]

please do the actual numbers math

[tame pawn]

huh

[vapid gorge]

2 extractors can feed more than 4 gens.

you're doing building maths
not numbers math

and that will screw you later

so in your situation, you could do 3 water extractors to a group of 8 machines.
Conveniently those 8 machines will only need 1xmk2 belt of coal

[tame pawn]

i ahve 3 coal vvains

60 per

[vapid gorge]

do you have mk2 belts?

[tame pawn]

no

oh wait yess

[vapid gorge]

there you go.

So honestly, 12 coal gens is a start, but you want more power than that

and the diagrams I linked above are really simple ways of doing it

have you unlocked Overclocking yet?

[tame pawn]

but the way im doing its each gen nees 45x4=180 w water at 75% gets me 180

[tame pawn]

yh

[vapid gorge]

ok overclock those 3 nodes to do 120 each

[tame pawn]

ok

[vapid gorge]

I'll help you make 3x groups of 8

you'll absolutely need that much

[tame pawn]

so should ii delete everythign i got?

and we hop in a call?

[vapid gorge]

probably? start fresh. won't take long

[tame pawn]

ok

dm me and call me

[vapid gorge]

I can dm, no voice atm.

prob would be easy to stay on here anyway

chat is dead

[tame pawn]

ok

sop delete every thing

??

[vapid gorge]

sure? I haven't seen everything

[tame pawn]

3x grtoups of waht

also how muhc wats will this make the one u helping me make

cuz that one i was making was goign to be 900

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[vapid gorge]

check out the diagrams - follow the link for bigger image if you need to

8x coal gens need exactly 360 water pm
3x water extractors outputs exactly 360 water pm

1xmk2 belt of coal is exactly what 8 coal gens need

[tame pawn]

but wont the best less than what im doing ?

cuz i was goign to run 12 caol gens

or wait shoudl i just sracth this and make a factory at 3 miners a at 120 coal each?

skip a tier

skip 60?

[vapid gorge]

3x8 = 24

24>12

[tame pawn]

oh im doing each one of theose rectangels

[vapid gorge]

yeah when you OC the miners to 120 each you'll get more coal to burn

[tame pawn]

the one u listed above

is for 120 per/m or 60

[vapid gorge]

how much coal does 1x coal gen need pm?

[tame pawn]

idk

[vapid gorge]

you'll have that information in the codex or wiki 🙂
this is the sort of thing you need to be very comfy to check when you need to because you'll have to do this all the time

[tame pawn]

15

120x3 is 360 div by 15 is 24

so this is based of 120 coal per/m

(: right

[vapid gorge]

yah did it!
Get cozy with this as it's a critical skill in the game. Have pen and paper next to you if you have to

[tame pawn]

got it

would this be consired my first mega factroy?

not this ^

the one im bout to make

[vapid gorge]

the definition of megafactory is very vague, but its generally 'make everything in one spot'
this is just power so it would not

and honestly you're better off not doing 'megas'

[tame pawn]

got it sohuld i keep this layout just much bigger water for the bottom coal for the top or change it?

[vapid gorge]

personal design preferences really

Me? I'd build the coal gens lower

[tame pawn]

yh i took the top off

didt like it

[vapid gorge]

these are also groups of 8

each line of 8 gens has a line of 3 extractors feeding them

[tame pawn]

yh idk waht the fuck im looking at tbh lma

[vapid gorge]

8 groups of 8

basically exactly what you're doing but a few extra lines

[tame pawn]

i see

[vapid gorge]

basically just a small variation on the diagrams in the link

I find it a nice layout, might work for you

the MAIN important thing about all these layouts, is that you have at least 2 input pipes from the water extractors

[tame pawn]

u lost me there

draw it im a visual guy

not even jokking

[vapid gorge]

first, how much can 1x mk1 pipe move pm?

[tame pawn]

300

[vapid gorge]

and how much do 3x water extractors output?

[tame pawn]

360

[vapid gorge]

so can you put 360 into a 300 pipe? 🙂

[tame pawn]

pipe go boom

[vapid gorge]

well pipe just doesn't move it all

[tame pawn]

yh

[vapid gorge]

so like with everythign else whe nyou have too much for 1 pipe/belt, you break it up

having more than 1 point of input means no point needs to move more than 300 pm

[tame pawn]

ok ok i think im getting it

[vapid gorge]

so in the crappy paint drawing I posted you see the red 'pipe' is basically 2 input sections

[tame pawn]

like this

[vapid gorge]

I'm not sure what you mean

[tame pawn]

nvm

it dosent make sense to me now

[vapid gorge]

basically 180 goes both ways

[tame pawn]

oh ok

[vapid gorge]

if you took away the little connection here , 12 and 240 woudl be sent and it would also be fine

that image is basically exactly the same as this image in the examples

just a slightly different layout

make sense?

[tame pawn]

yh ithink so

[vapid gorge]

there's a problem here, I think you'll find it 🙂

[tame pawn]

to muh water at the same time?

[oblique hollow]

ye

dont force it into a single pipeline

[vapid gorge]

so you have 180 and 180 in the two pipes, how much in the pipe before it?

[tame pawn]

so muhc

[vapid gorge]

that's why in all the other examples you see 2 pipes from the water extractors

[tame pawn]

so all 3 water are connected when u add them intot he coal it knows how muhc it has to do?

[oblique hollow]

it doesnt know it

the generators just take from it

[tame pawn]

ok

[oblique hollow]

blindly.
and so the pipe can fit more later down the line

[tame pawn]

so connect the 3 water from 1 pip thats split into 8

[oblique hollow]

3 water extractors from 2 seperate pipes

you cant merge them all into one segment

[tame pawn]

thats what im not getting

[oblique hollow]

do you know how many pipes are in that image above?

because the answe isnt 1

[tame pawn]

no

its like 18

or what

[oblique hollow]

each orange dot here is a pipe junction

[tame pawn]

each cross is a splter

[oblique hollow]

and each line between junctions is a pipe

[tame pawn]

i se

[oblique hollow]

the goal here: dont merge 360/min water into a single pipe segment

[tame pawn]

i see i understand now

[oblique hollow]

the fluid will meet at the 4th junction from the right

[tame pawn]

yh yh the gears are turing

if u cant tell its my first playthru

[oblique hollow]

youre doin good if you understand this

[tame pawn]

u want to judge my creations

[oblique hollow]

no thanks. i see pipe abominations and great creations all too often

[tame pawn]

lmaoo

but this one dosent coundt cuz i had alot of help and a blueprint

my iron copper and bio fuel where just radmon

[tame pawn]

@oblique hollow is there a item this but for con belt

[oblique hollow]

conveyor floor hole

in the AWESOME shop

[tame pawn]

u the best

[tame pawn]

is the water going to go up?

or do i need to add the pump thing

[oblique hollow]

if its not higher than 10 m, it will go up

[tame pawn]

blesssss

[oblique hollow]

water extractors can push it up 10 m on their own

[tame pawn]

ok 10m is like very clcik

very click is 1 m

[oblique hollow]

10 m high is 2 and a half walls

[tame pawn]

oh bet

[tame pawn]

@oblique hollow @vapid gorge (: thx for the help now to turn it on and hope i did everything correct

[tame pawn]

@oblique hollow do all my belts need to be mk2

iddt mean to @ u sryy

[oblique hollow]

count your generators, add the numbers, compare

a single gen eats 15/min coal

[tame pawn]

thx

[tame pawn]

will they all be filled eventualy? cuz the frist 3 are full but the rest arnt

[dusky dust]

That's how manifolds work, yeah - the ones at the front will get filled up first, and then over time the rest get filled. Unless you prefill, the last two in the line won't really have anything in their input buffers; they'll be getting material just at the right time

If you watch the control panel on that fourth gen, you'll probably see the number on the input buffer rising over time

[tame pawn]

oh ok so a manafold is just 1 impunt into mutli struct

[dusky dust]

(this is, of course, assuming that the mining/belting is set up with proper speeds to provide the manifold with the full rate it needs)

[tame pawn]

yh my 3 miners are 120 and my belts are 120

[dusky dust]

You can bypass this "warm up" time by pre-filling the input buffers, of course. A stack of coal in each one and it'll be at full strength nearly immediately

[tame pawn]

ohh ok and that works with any mana fold?

[dusky dust]

With generators, you can actually just set them to standby and they'll continue to take in material. Production machines (constructors, assemblers, etc) don't take in material when on standby

[dusky dust]

Yep! Though honestly in general it's not worth it (IMO). Most manifolds won't take too long to fill up. :)

[tame pawn]

so just mkae mana folds

[dusky dust]

I suspect most folks end up doing just manifolds, yeah. Though some folks enjoy watching balancers do their thing instead

[tame pawn]

i assume ablancer is all even

[dusky dust]

I'll often use balancers in the very early game; waiting for manifolds to warm up can be kind of annoying on mk1 belts

And I'll often use balancers for late-game nuclear products to keep the ambient radiation down. (Not at all required; the radiation protection you have is quite good. Just a style thing. :)

[tame pawn]

oh ok well im nooooo where near there i just unlckued steel

[dusky dust]

Yeah, ignore for now. :D

Anyway, enjoy!

[tame pawn]

thx for the help

[brisk spade]

quick question gang

how the hell do you get water from 18 extractors (120 m3 each) to 48 generators (45 m3 each) using only mk1 pipes (300 m3 max)

the input matches the output obviously but I can't figure out any mathematically sound way to fill the pipes

[tame pawn]

chatgpt tbh im new and it just gave me the answer

gl

[wind spade]

Wouldn't recommend ever

[wind spade]

Do it in the classic 3:8 modules

[tame pawn]

whats what chatgpt said ^6

[brisk spade]

meaning 3 extractors -> 8 generators?

[wind spade]

Yeah

[brisk spade]

but 3*120 > 300

[wind spade]

?

[brisk spade]

3 extractors = 3 * 120 m3

[wind spade]

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[brisk spade]

oh nice

thanks so much

I was thinking of doing something like that first one, glad to see it isn't a bad idea lol

would there be any negative consequences to attaching all the modules together for the purpose of a water tower? I need a tiny bit of lift

[wind spade]

Yes, don't do water towers

Use pumps

[brisk spade]

😭

9 pumps

[wind spade]

Or build on top of the water

Fluid systems like to be as simple as possible. When you start interconnecting them, you can start running into issues

[brisk spade]

hindsight is 20/20

tbf I thought it would be a lot more complicated to try to figure out the water distribution when everything's on top of each other

[wind spade]

It's the other way around, you just build the extractors where you need them

[brisk spade]

would 6:16 work instead for these setups?

so that each pipe can get 240

[wind spade]

6:16 is jsut two of those setups

[brisk spade]

yeah exactly, you recommended against connecting modules together so I was just wondering if this might cause issues

[wind spade]

Well, not sure how you wanted to connect it together

Some pipe segments in some 3:8 setups are supposed to carry 240+ fluid

[brisk spade]

the first configuration in the diagram

but imagine each C is actually a pair of C's and each W is a pair of W's

[vapid gorge]

yeah in general you want to keep fluids in small seperate segments

that being said, coal gens can put up with a lot more bullshit than other systems, so doing 16 will prob work fine.

But it's a really good habit to get early on to keep things split

[strong valley]

Now you just need to multiply the structure by 4.

[wind spade]

Please use english, as stated in #rules 🙂

[brisk spade]

thanks so much gang, I knew it was possible to get 4000 MW before phase 2

appreciate the mathematical assistance

[wind spade]

It is possible to get way more 😛

[tame pawn]

this was mine

[orchid brook]

wow i just nothiced i am using 90% of the oil on the map

or i am GONE use

[tame pawn]

should i refresh?

[thorn basalt]

You'll prolly want the automated miner someday so you can strap 'em to a depot and not worry about carrying/making 'em for your miner mk2/3's. But i mean, hard drives are plentiful, so if there's something you're going for go ahead and refresh

[tame pawn]

idk whats good or not im still new this prob my 3rd hard drive

havent spnet any time exploring just starting now

[thorn basalt]

well, basically every alt recipe has a use-case, and your ability to travel and find more hard drives only improves as you progress. So generally if you get a recipe and go "I dont think ima make those" then go ahead and refresh.

The protip for hard drives is if you're out of refreshes and neither of the options are useful, dont claim one. Just leave it there in the list. As long as the options are available on a hard drive, future hard drives can't show the same recipe. So you increase your odds of getting what you want if you just leave 'em sit

[tame pawn]

mmmm thats a nice tip thx

[wind spade]

you should pick whatever you want, because there's no "proper" answer

all recipes have a use, so pick those that have use for you

The protip for hard drives is if you're out of refreshes and neither of the options are useful, dont claim one.
I'd go the other way around - just pick one even at random, and go find more drives

[tame pawn]

how do i get steel from here to there?

[wind spade]

why do so? build where steel is

[tame pawn]

idk where a good steel is near my base

[wind spade]

no, build at the steel you have on the map

[tame pawn]

u lost me

[wind spade]

you wanted to get steel from somewhere - build where it is now, don't move it

[tame pawn]

right

but how to i get it to my base once i crafted it

[wind spade]

why?

[tame pawn]

at the factoy

cuz my base is acroos the map

[wind spade]

but you don't need to move it to your base

[tame pawn]

y not?

[wind spade]

why yes

[tame pawn]

so i can have it to use it?

[wind spade]

use depots instead

[tame pawn]

whats that

[wind spade]

remote storage

[tame pawn]

these

[wind spade]

yeah

[tame pawn]

ok but it hold lets say 200 stell pipes rights how and i set up a convor to take out the pipes at base how dose it know to take out only the pipees/

[wind spade]

you use one depot per item

[tame pawn]

ok im following

[tame pawn]

and then?

[wind spade]

then what?

then you continue playing the game

[tame pawn]

do i just set a depto at base with a convay?

[wind spade]

no, depot is not for teleportation

depot is storage for personal use

[tame pawn]

got it

is there a way to get power from a long distance?

[wind spade]

power lines

[tame pawn]

yikes

[wind spade]

railway

but you don't really need to transport items to base anyway, as soon as they are in depot, they are available for building

[tame pawn]

alot of power lines

[wind spade]

I mean you eventually want to expand all over the map anyway

[tame pawn]

yh ig

im still phase 1

[wind spade]

then you should be just fine in your starting area

[tame pawn]

ight

if u die do u lose your stuff/

[wind spade]

not if you get them back afterwards

[tame pawn]

damn i got a long hike then

[wind spade]

or load save or ignore it as practically everything is infinite

[dusky dust]

You can change your game settings to keep all inventory on death, fwiw

The default is that you keep all equipped items but your inventory gets put into a "death crate" which you can retrieve later. But you can change the setting whenever

[tame pawn]

ooo i see

sounds like my hike just went down in time

[digital raptor]

i should have 40 fuel left over for the packager but my packager has gotten 0 in the passt hour

[tame pawn]

say please

and it might work

[unreal canyon]

possibly

[unreal canyon]

btw i do got hoes >:)

[tame pawn]

na uuhhh

[unreal canyon]

i got a gf

[tame pawn]

naa uhhh

my name dont lie

[wind spade]

as always, remove buffers (and valves if there are any)

[unreal canyon]

i actually touch grass too'

[wind spade]

also remove the weird tower on second screenshot on right side

the pump in first screenshot between first and second refinery from left side is also pointless

and remove the connection between the two pipes

[digital raptor]

did that and it got worse

[wind spade]

fill the pipes and gens with fluid (e.g. by temporarily underclocking some gens)

that's usually step 2

if that won't help, step 3 would be to loop the pipe vertically around gens

(also check your math before big changes)

[digital raptor]

i quadruple checked the math, 15 refineries producing 40 each (total 600) going into 2 mk 1 pipes (300 pmin) and i let all the pipes fill when i built it. i put down 28 fuel gens (20pmin each) leaving me with a total consumption of 560p min. overflow 40 went to the packager for temporary jetpack fuel

[wind spade]

with full pipes I'd always recommend vertical loop

[digital raptor]

ah yes, ill fix it

[hushed silo]

when greeny is stelaing from cobalt

[vapid gorge]

Well I did make it to be a very clear example, so steal away 😛

[humble marsh]

Why?

[vapid gorge]

gravity preference downwards also more compact.

but you can do a side loop too

[robust glen]

how I rotate the junction that way?

[vapid gorge]

build it on the pipe

[agile junco]

Anyone have a good link to uranium vs ficsonium nuclear production ratios.

Found what I was remembering: https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1fqey96/ficsonium_loop_yields_less_power_than_just/

[queen umbra]

Y'all must love seeing this

[frail hare]

Need some help understanding. I'm getting random blown fuses, i'm pre-phase 2. thanks (it also happens if i pause and walk away for an extended period of time.

[dusky dust]

Do your biomass burners run out of material to burn?

(no need to cross-post, btw. Just asking in one location is fine. :)

[frail hare]

I'm running four coal generators, and they're normally full all the time.

[dusky dust]

All the channels in here are quite well-monitored. :)

Oh, okay, so you're in Phase 2. :) Phase 1 is Tiers 1+2

[quaint condor]

When you say "normally" ... ? 😛

[frail hare]

I've got tier three conveyors running from two coal sites and they are backed up and stopped on the way into the generators.

[frail hare]

sorry yeah, i haven't completed the phase 2 stuff yet

[quaint condor]

And water is good?

[dusky dust]

Four coal generators only account for 300MW, btw -- where's the extra 262.5 coming from?

[frail hare]

i over clocked them

does that give them random misfire chance?

[dusky dust]

Aha, k. So yeah, assuming that your belting is good for coal, it's probable that it's water screwing you up. Post some pics of your piping layouts

[quaint condor]

No. So long as they have a constant supply, should be fine

[dusky dust]

And give us the exact numbers of how you have everything clocked

[vapid gorge]

do overhead images of your set up too please. p for photomode

[frail hare]

alright

Sorry finding the screen shot ;_;

[dusky dust]

Preemptively, btw, the usual tripping point is: mk1 pipes can carry a maximum of 300/min fluid. If you're trying to send more than 300/min water down a single pipe, that's not going to work. :)

[frail hare]

I thought that two, but the fluid section claims to be full also

where do they hide the screenshots?

[dusky dust]

Don't confuse the internal storage buffers inside machines for the throughput rates

All fluid using/producing machines have a buffer where liquids can be stored, but how much is in there doesn't tell you anything about the throughout rates

It's the per-minute values you'll be interested in

[vapid gorge]

you can also use the windows sniping tool, might be faster

[frail hare]

is my spagetti, i promise the inside is nicer LOL

[frail hare]

sorry i should of likely pinged you.

[quaint condor]

I mean, if the internal buffer isn't staying full, and immediately going back to full after a cycle, that should be a "good enough for government work" indication 🤷‍♂️ 😛

[frail hare]

The flow rate dial on that last screen shot does flick up and down constantly. So likely im not getting enough water....hrmm.

[quaint condor]

While the plumbing does leave a bit to be desired for my personal tastes, The flow most likely won't be "consistent" As it does depend some on the machine's "cycle rate" (2.7 seconds in this case)

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[quaint condor]

those are some "cookiecutter" layouts for coal gens. Based on using 8 gens at 100%

[frail hare]

yeah, this is my first play through and im learning on the fly to handle my spagetti. I plant to make a 'power plant' that is much better routed.

i've handled and routed my materials much better.

[quaint condor]

For sure, and no worries. No one thing I see is that you have 300 coming in. Then, 150 goes to one gen, and the other 150 is split between three gens that require 68 each

Sorry, I see that other 150 is split between two not just going to one.

[frail hare]

yeah it's 150 to two, and 150 to 3

[quaint condor]

How many water extractors are you running?

[frail hare]

four i think i'll check

[quaint condor]

And what are the clock rate on those?

[frail hare]

three

[quaint condor]

regardless, You have 5 gens, and if all are clocked at 112.5, you require a total of 340, and a mk1 pipe can only carry 300 max.

[dusky dust]

The flow rate dial is likely to twiddle around no matter what you do, btw; the fact that it's moving around doesn't necessarily indicate a problem

[quaint condor]

So, I would take a look at those images in the wiki post and mimic thier layout. Even just for those 5.

[frail hare]

so i need another water source, and some other pipes, spitting them into two 'packs.' copy the layout, so i can upgrade overtime.

[quaint condor]

Bacially, you will need at least 204 going to the 3, and 136 toi the other.s

[quaint condor]

No, the three extractors you have are more than enough

[dusky dust]

Honestly with the overclocking you're basically just doing Hard Mode on yourself.

The "easiest" way to do coal gens is with an 8-gen to 3-extractor ratio (there were some diagrams posted above if you wanted a cheat-sheet for those)

All just 100%-clocked.

[frail hare]

I had a feeling, i had before my max consumption was above the max output. I figured i can getting all the machines firing at once and blowing it.

[quaint condor]

I would say plumb then in a manifold across the front of those. Then, plumb one extractor to each end, and the third to any "middle" junction, and you should be set.

[dusky dust]

The numbers work out nicely that way. Each generator requires 45/min water (8 * 45 = 360), each extractor provides 120/min water (3 * 120 = 360), so the main problem becomes the fact that a mk1 pipe can only carry 300/min fluid

The solution there being just that you need at least two pipes coming out of those three extractors. There's a lot of ways to pipe it; the three in the diagram above are far from the only options (I actually don't tend to use any of those, personally)

You can certainly overclock stuff, but you're definitely introducing complexity. :)

[quaint condor]

So, you end up having to "distribute" the flow. Hence going to either end and the middle. Or two to one end and the thrid to the other, etc.

[frail hare]

righto, easy enough. I had completely forgotten about the water honestly

[dusky dust]

Although four coalgens at 150% should only require a total of 270/min water (4 * 67.5 = 270), which should fit inside a mk1 pipe without problems

[quaint condor]

Lol, then I feel like YOU'RE playing hardmode if you're not using any of those options 🤣

[dusky dust]

Heh, not really; my most common is like so: ```
[C] = Coal Generator | [W] = Water Extractor

[C] [C] [C] [C] [C] [C] [C] [C]
| | | | | | | |
/-+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+-
| |
-----------+---+---+-----------/
| | |
[W] [W] [W]

[frail hare]

it's 5 gens, but yeah i can see the math now

[dusky dust]

Oh oh, gotcha. :)

[quaint condor]

Lol, This is basically the same as the first image in the wiki post :P. Only difference is theirs is less plumbing. But, I get it, you're essentially sending 180 either way. Only thing I don't like is the sections between the outside extractors due to the nature of fluid moving both ways. Lastly, imo, the options on the wiki keep everything within the manifold AT the gens.

Still though, at the end of the day, it still works 😛

[quaint condor]

@true parrot You can knock that number down

[quaint condor]

@true parrot Fyi: 😛

And there are other ways, not saying that is the best, just one "whipped up"

So, technically, with 1500 uranium, you chould be able to make 450GW

@true parrot Nuhhuh! 😛

[frosty owl]

Tinker has gone nuclear crazy, talking to themselves!

[true parrot]

Probably

[true parrot]

Im also not using like half those recipes

Fuh those pressure conversion cubes bro

Im fine with making the other stuff

[quaint condor]

Apparently 😭

[frigid shard]

Probably the most ridiculous transport method I’ve built so far.

Meet the Hypertube Accelerator™.
It’s made of six hypertube entrances in a loop, all powered by the main grid. The moment you jump in, you start spinning like a possessed Beyblade and your speed ramps up fast.
There’s also a seventh hypertube entrance connected to the exit tube, but this one is powered separately by a biofuel generator.
Here’s the fun part.
You load biomass into a storage container and enter the tube. You’ll keep spinning endlessly while the biomass slowly makes its way to the generator. The instant the generator turns on, the seventh entrance gets power and YEETS you across the map.
The spin-up time is fully adjustable by changing the conveyor belt and elevator levels feeding the generator.
I love this build because it lets you cross the entire map in a couple of seconds, it fits into a tiny 2×2 platform footprint, and it feels only slightly unsafe.
This specific version is also surprisingly civilized.
It includes suck-back protection, so when you arrive at the end of a long hypertube run (two accelerators and a long tube between them), you don’t get yanked straight back into the return trip like the system is playing ping-pong with your body.
At the front, there are stairs for two reasons. First, they give you a clean, safe place to land when you exit the hypertube. Second and more importantly they prevent you from getting accidentally sucked into the spin loop just because you dared to walk past it.
Because of that, the footprint is 4×2 instead of 2×2 but honestly, that’s a great trade-off. It makes the accelerator practical for real hypertube networks, not just for launching yourself into low orbit at Mach FICSIT.

[sharp palm]

hello, i know this isnt the place for LFG but these are the people i want to play with and learn from, is anyone available?

[wind spade]

that still goes to LFG

and honestly I'd recommend learning on your own rather than "blindly copying" something someone built or tells you to build

[sharp palm]

im more interested in how fluids work and whatnot, not builds

quite good on that aspect myself

more like a one person does one thing, another does one, so on, example in a two player world one would focus power and research because naturally youre going to be out alot gathering rss while the other focuses on mfg and phases

[vapid gorge]

describe what you're trying to do as a question - someone will probably reply

[sharp palm]

im simply just trying to play the game with someone deep into the mathematics and super factories of this game, as i intend to build a super factory with some(one) or people

after learning more of course

[vapid gorge]

that sounds like a #1201555265942724758 post ?

cause this is a chat channel and your msg will disapear fast enough

[sharp palm]

true

not many people that interested in this sort of ting there though, ill try my luck

[vapid gorge]

in general LFG is hard gong. Most people don't want to play with others, let alone strangers

[sharp palm]

truth

[tame pawn]

i hvae a extra 60 should add 1 more con to make more pipes and send the other 20 sum where welse?

oh wait got my math wrong

[sharp palm]

is this a website? or something?

[tame pawn]

yh on steam its free

[sharp palm]

oh

steam oof..

[tame pawn]

whats wrong with steam

1 hour and a half

[vapid gorge]

this this web page - its .... so much better than modeler and you can make plans very quickly https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

takes a bit of learning but well worth it

[frosty owl]

A tiny info you may find interesting for a future version: using a "not" gate (ie: when the burner is off the player gets sucked into the exit) you could change the duration of the acceleration a bit more simply and with more precision by using different amounts or kinds of fuel (eg: using leaves can enhance the precision of the burner duration down to fractions of a second)

Very neat contraption nonetheless ^^ (I forgot to actually give my opinion xD)

[frosty owl]

You can download it from the web, it's just much more convenient on Steam for anyone already using steam (for obvious reason)

[frigid shard]

That’s true, the original version actually worked like that. The problem was that you’d end up spinning way longer than necessary, even with just a single unit of biomass. With this version, you get launched the instant it reaches the burner.

[frosty owl]

I suggest avoiding using single nodes or splitters as much as possible. The planner will soon start to lag as it doesn't quite like to handle things that way on scale
Eg: you could condense the Smelters in one node per 120 Ingots/min and still have almost the same visual result (the math would be the exact same)

In other words: linking the output of one node to the inputs if many others is often much better than linking that output to many splitters that are then linked to other nodes' inputs

[tame pawn]

i see what u mean

but a semelter smels ingot 30 per mi right

so if i split 60 ore into 2 they both smelt at the same time no/

? im just asking im still new so u know mroe

[frosty owl]

Well, biomass already burns for much longer than leaves, but you can further reduce how much each fuel unit lasts by adding some production to the grid (eg: miner + Smelter + sink or Packagers + unpackagers in a loop) so that the total power draw is close to the max, burning fuel as fast as possible

[frigid shard]

That is a good Idea I havent actually thought about that you can make it burn faster by hoocking more machines to it

[frosty owl]

I don't think I understand what you mean here
If you have a node with 2 Smelters, it'll output 60/min. You can link that to anything needing 60/min, that can be one node with 2 Plate constructors or 2 modes with 1 Constructor each

BTW, have you read the small guide the tool has? It can help avoid some misunderstandings and understand how the tool tries to help you or may go against you ^^ (in the settings, "?" icon somewhere)

[frosty owl]

Also, I'm not sure if you're familiar with using leaves, but they burn much faster than biomass (6s VS 0.5s)

[tame pawn]

i cut donw on 2 miners and 4 smelters and alot of spliters

[frigid shard]

You can use leaves (we used the inverted version with leaves for about a month as a main transport around the map)the reason whywe are not using it anymore is that I dont enjoy running around with a chainsaw. But we have lot of boimas from fighting arena (recycled dead spitter bodies), and the "level adjustments" works surprisingly well. Using leaves is definitly better if precise timing is what you are after, but I prefere covinience

[mossy halo]

why so complicated with dozens of splurgers?

[tame pawn]

it just made snese cuz i didt find waht i was looking for

but im only using splitters and mergers in the build

[mossy halo]

you shouldn't care about splitters/mergers in your planning already

[tame pawn]

u lost me

[unreal canyon]

i dislike you heavily

[tame pawn]

lmaoo

[unreal canyon]

it was going fine till i talked to you, then the next day shes gone..

[tame pawn]

lmaoo

is it rlly that bad what i made

[mossy halo]

you got better screenshot resolution somehow?

[wind spade]

f.e. the bottom part could be miner -> smelter -> assembler
3 nodes, instead of 12

[wind spade]

there, fixed it

[tame pawn]

and its just as fast?

[wind spade]

it's literally the same as you have

just the middle box has 4 instead of 1

so you don't need 4 boxes

[mossy halo]

this is how your plan should look

you don't plan how you would build it with splitters/mergers irl

[tame pawn]

i like yuours better

damn how long did that take u to make

[mossy halo]

it contains the exact same numbers and result

2 minutes

[tame pawn]

lamoooooooooooooooooooooo

took me 1.3hours

[wind spade]

(and if you used the web tool you were linked above, it would take you 5 seconds 😛 )

[mossy halo]

as a ground rule, don't use splurgers in the modeler if not absolute necessary

[tame pawn]

got it

[mossy halo]

different tools for different use cases. I for example prefer to model everything step by step how I want it and don't want a tool to spit out a complete chain I can barely adapt

[tame pawn]

thers 1 thing i dont understand

[vapid gorge]

you adapt it after. Very easily without having to spend an hour on the base plan

[wind spade]

personal preferences, obviously. Just saying that it would take that little. No need to thumbs down an information

[tame pawn]

if x = x/permin and u coming to much X wont it slow down and fill up the perMIN

see what im saying or no

[mossy halo]

I'm pretty fast from the ground up with modeler, adapting a ready made chain costs me personally more time

[tame pawn]

alsow hgat dose the 8 mean

[wind spade]

8 machines

[mossy halo]

that you need 8 smelters

[vapid gorge]

I don't care how fast you think you are, it takes monumentally more time.

plus shocking amounts of time to modify base plans swapping recipes in and out to see the differences

[mossy halo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tame pawn]

so 1 miner split into 8 smelters?

[mossy halo]

The thing is, different people have different styles in planning, and generalizing a tool as bad because you find another one personally better is somehow urghs

[mossy halo]

depends what miners and belts and nodes you have available to get to 240/m iron ore

[tame pawn]

mk2 miner and mk2 belts

normal nodes

[mossy halo]

so 1x mk2 miner on normal node = 120/m, also the max for your mk2 belt. So you need two mk2 miner in the end to reach the 240/m iron ore

[tame pawn]

can u hop in a vc?

[wind spade]

better to ask here

other people can chip in and help, and it can help other people as well

[tame pawn]

ok so 2 miners split into 8 smelters

[mossy halo]

yeah

[wind spade]

fyi you can also build splitters like this

--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |
  X  X  X  X

(X being any machine)

[tame pawn]

but i did that for my coal and all of them still arent runing 100% fo the time

[mossy halo]

!wikisearch manifold

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[wind spade]

that just takes time to sort out

[tame pawn]

its been a rllly long time

but ima just keep it like this it looks funky

[wind spade]

then it's possibly somewhere some slow belt or something

[tame pawn]

they all mk2

or should be

[wind spade]

well manifolds will always work eventually, if not, that means an error in your build

[tame pawn]

i see

[mossy halo]

btw, that's not how you split 1:4

[tame pawn]

idk how

wait till u see how i spliting tino the found

[mossy halo]

first splitter -> 2 outputs -> each to another splitter -> now you have 4 outputs

[tame pawn]

idont get it im a visual guy

[tame pawn]

tadaaaa

[tame pawn]

like this/

[mossy halo]

yep

[tame pawn]

i seeee

what about hopw i did the

it looks wrong

[mossy halo]

just do a bit pen and paper planning or use a manifold

[frosty owl]

Yeah, that makes perfect sense 😆
Proteins are just too convenient

[frigid shard]

It would be cool If the game had something like logic gates, tho

[frosty owl]

We can build them, with some tinkering, but out-of-the-box logic gates are the realm of mods or obscure blueprint contraptions you can download on the dark web~

When I mentioned using a "not gate" I was referring to one such contraption

[frigid shard]

I mean in this specific contraption you just swap 2 cables and put the biomas directly to the burner to achieve not gate

[hushed silo]

logic circuits factorio style would pop off

[frosty owl]

And you still got "flamed" for having too many
In glad you got the answers you needed

[wind spade]

eh, we have way less need for it than in Factorio

(while they would be cool to have, there's way less incentive to actually add them from gameplay perspective)

[frosty owl]

Coughs about sushi counters

[frigid shard]

I didnt mean something extra complicated, If there would be power switch that could be switched on or off by electricity and some sort of device that would act like power switch that is on when items are flowing through a belt and inversion of that (you power it and it let items flow), It would be simple enough to not overwhelme beginners but it would be powerfull enough so people that understand logic could co nuts

Maybe it’s just me, but I never seem to play games the way they’re supposed to be played.

[tame pawn]

i cant figure out how to get 8 fprges into 6 foundry

[wind spade]

I mean logic gates using belts and items on belts are already possible

[tame pawn]

nvm dont help me

[mossy halo]

since 120/m is your limit. a 4 smelters merged into a mk2 belt. that mk2 belt splitted to 3 foundries

[wind spade]

build 8 of each and hook them 1:1

[tame pawn]

i got mk3 blets just now

[frosty owl]

It could be more approachable, if belt logic was explained or teached about in more detail. Atm, making contraptions like the ones you mentioned need quite a lot of knowledge about belt (or pipes) mechanics to pull off, while the game just barely explains what's needed to keep machines running (everything about how mergers and splitters work is left for the player to find out)... So yeah, very few actually delve deep enough to pull off such niche contraptions or even consider the possibility of it being actually achievable 😅

[frosty owl]

You're in good company in this channel
(#screenshots message)

[hushed silo]

what if soneone told you they prefer kebabs

[hushed silo]

yea its all cool to have

[frosty owl]

I might not have a funny retort for them

[tame pawn]

@mossy halo what can i say im a pro

[frosty owl]

I appreciate the... "belt art"

[tame pawn]

thxx

[mossy halo]

Mod: Circuitry

[tame pawn]

it only took me 3.3hours

[frigid shard]

Is there a way to make a generator run out of fuel with out blowing the fuse?

[wind spade]

if generator runs out of fuel, it doesn't mean that fuse is blown

[frigid shard]

but if it is trying to power something and it runs out of fuel it will blow

[wind spade]

if the something cannot be powered elsewhere, yeah

[frigid shard]

yea, and i wanted to know if there is a way how it could "stop powering" insted of blowing the fuse

[wind spade]

no

[frosty owl]

No, in order to power down anything on the grid, the local fuse need to blow (ie: if the fuse doesn't blow while the generator is still running, then power storages or other generators must be sustaining the grid) . Though I'm unsure of how Priority Power Switches can play into that, exactly

[frigid shard]

I am thinking about the same thing

[nova vortex]

wish me luck

[wind spade]

ah yeah, the "I don't want to do nuclear" starter package

[nova vortex]

i dont have nuclear

[wind spade]

aren't blenders same tier?

[nova vortex]

i prebought them

[wind spade]

?

[nova vortex]

i bought them ahead of time

[wind spade]

you can do that with nuclear as well 😛

[nova vortex]

is it worth doing that?

[wind spade]

I mean one nuclear plant produces same power as 10 fuel gens

whether something is "worth" depends on you

I just personally don't see reason to spam fuel gens so much (but feel free to do so if you want)

[dusky dust]

Of course for maximum fun, can always do both! :D

No reason you can't have a rocket fuel plant staring down a nuclear plant from across a biome!

(If I had to choose, at gunpoint or something, I'd be Team Nuclear™ as well, though Fuel Gen Spam can be mitigated with overclocking + blueprints, at least. And I wouldn't advise people to not build Rocket Fuel power. It's an extra factory to build, after all!)

[nova vortex]

i littarly cant build anything more bc im out of power and im edging my batteries

[dusky dust]

A lesson learned for the future, then: always keep an eye on your power grid and expand power while you still have the "room" for it. :D

In the meantime, could shut down a factory or two to give yourself some breathing room to bring more power online

[tame pawn]

@mossy halo i finshed thx for the help

[nova vortex]

Im fine its just if all my stuff ran at 100% i would be cooked but thank goodness it doesn’t rn

[hushed silo]

u dont need to make 350 fgens at once, u can settle for 100 for a while

[wind spade]

(fyi, it's "power storage", not "battery" 🙂 )

[hushed silo]

acumulator

[spare ingot]

ehhhh that's splitting hairs

[wind spade]

no, that's being clear what you're talking about, since there's a literal "battery" item in the game

(and yes, here the context is relatively clear, but other times it may not be, so better learn to call things proper terms)

[spare ingot]

ok

technically they are batteries, by definition. i get the naming schema difference for clarity though.

[wind spade]

technically they are not batteries though, they are accumulators or capacitors (depending on internal workings)

[spare ingot]

ok

[dusky dust]

To be fair, ADA even uses the phrase "like batteries" when describing them in her intro spiel

[spare ingot]

yuuup

[dusky dust]

And depending on the customization applied to them, they can look an awful lot like a popular brand of real-life battery. :D

(But yeah, best to call 'em Power Storage just to be clear. :)

[nova vortex]

I call them batteries because i made mine be massive Duracel batteries

[spare ingot]

They operate like batteries. So it's ok to refer to them as such as long as you're clear about the in-game label.

[wind spade]

they operate like capacitors 🙂

batteries cannot discharge infinitely fast

[spare ingot]

ok buddy

ive moved on, you should too

[wind spade]

"I've moved on"
says the person who keeps responding 🙂