math-and-meta

[split phoenix]

whats overclock

[thick cave]

Not really only if U explore to far then we'll let's say gets abit dicy lol

[versed mango]

and i think i will put some somersloop

[split phoenix]

like the thing you get from power slugs?

[versed mango]

a boost in the factory, that boost the factory to an other level

[versed mango]

that the overclock

[queen umbra]

There is not big dog that 2 shot me

[thick cave]

That's if U travel to far on the beach yeah

[queen umbra]

Ok I don't wanna die again to that beast

[thick cave]

I don't blame U haha they can be tanky

[split phoenix]

so if you use overclock you can get faster production?

[versed mango]

yes

[thick cave]

I still need to upgrade my power to be more comfortable with making it compact but U can see I'm doing it on the edge of the water and it's feeding me plenty of power

[queen umbra]

Ok why not on the water

[thick cave]

Overclocking speeds up crafting but the downside is power more overclock means more power consumption

[split phoenix]

how the heck do you have so much coal

like already 2 coal generators and the power goes out

[thick cave]

I have 5 coal nodes coming over and there T3 belts 1 belt can supply like 3 generators at full overclock

Let me get the coords for u as I found a spot that has 4 in 1 spot

[queen umbra]

Here?

Where do I get my coal at?

[thick cave]

That's where my coal generators are at yeah

Just getting to the coal now

[queen umbra]

The closest node is 1000meters away

[split phoenix]

umm i live in the sand dunes

[split phoenix]

also when we get water for the generators the power goes out instantly so i have to make more biomass generators

[queen umbra]

That's hella far

You run conveyors?

[thick cave]

I'll do a video for u hang on 🤣

[split phoenix]

also i thought when making a coal generator you dont need biomass generators anymore

and when i broke some biomass generators

no more power

[dusky dust]

You need Biomass Burners to "jump start" your Coal production -- you need to power the miners and water extractors until everything gets running

[queen umbra]

Do you have enough power?

[dusky dust]

Once you do have coal up and running stable, hook the coal gens up to your grid and make sure your power graphs are registering the power

So long as you've built enough to provide your power needs, you should be okay to dismantle Biomass at that time

But definitely check the graphs first, to make sure that A) the coal gens are hooked in properly, and that B) they're providing the power you expect them to

[thick cave]

Yeah make sure all your coal generators are full and your belts are full before hooking it back up to your base and it will be steady if U try to jump start it with everything powered U won't get anywhere

[queen umbra]

Damm

[thick cave]

It's alot of belts I know but I never need to worry about coal again

Well unless I start making mega bases but at that point I'll be doing a mix between coal and oil

I will say 100% worth dragging belts over than dealing with water flow

The pipes are a nightmare

There is a closer water spot really close to the coal but there isn't alot of space but U could go there temporarily

[queen umbra]

There is a 2 big tanky boy

[thick cave]

Just run past them or trick them by running left or right and they will just fly off the cliff

[queen umbra]

No they are are the coal node

[thick cave]

Oh and water is your best friend they won't come in the water lol

[queen umbra]

Can I build foundation over the node

So it can't reach me

[thick cave]

Want me to come and give u a hand to get rid of them?

[queen umbra]

Wtf

[devout stag]

I tried to calculate how MJ energy is within fuel and petroleum coke when producing turbo fuel, and it seems turbo fuel produces less energy then the energy of its input. is my math wrong?

[unique cypress]

turbofuel is pretty meh for power so I wouldn't be surprised

especially the alts

[devout stag]

ok, thanks for the heads up. that's one less headache

[oblique sluice]

question everyone. So I am really enjoying building out my train network. In order to keep what train is picking up and delilvering, I have a spreadsheet i am building. Just curious as to what methods everyone uses to keep their trains and stuff straight and what not. In game methods or any tracking methods. I think the ability to name train routes and assign certain trains to run on those routes vs letting them decide to use the shortest route and what not would be a great addition. that and also seeing what each train is picking up and dropping off at a glance in one screen would be amazing

[unique cypress]

Simple. I have one station for each item type and every train goes only between 2 stations: loading and dropping off one item

The stations and trains are named with the dropoff location and item transported

[mint coral]

Generally speaking i also use one item per station. When i do have multiple items per station i color code the plateforms and train to match. that way i know what goes where

as for spread sheets each factory has its own page in the spreadsheet workbook. with a section at the bottom for logistics input and output. this way i can link it to other pages

[chilly forge]

people arent fans of petro coke? Maybe im undervaluing my oil reserves, but I like the sheer volume the recipe gives with 100/m base output. I noticed that frames/ebeams had alternate recipes with pipes so i got the idea of basing the whole factory on the idea, where petro coke made sense because the polymer byproduct also supplements the concrete as well.

[pastel obsidian]

Petro coke is an amazing recipe, the issue is iron is such an abundant resource.

It really is up to you on how much or little you value each resource and where you are building

[twilit blade]

i've heard that downwardly vertical fluid manifolds are a Bad Idea, but... how would i make it actually work? my setup is a turbofuel plant, oil residue in giant tanks at the top (brought in by train to not worry about head lift, the tanks are buffers), which will then be distributed downward across multiple levels (each generator has its own dedicated dilfuel->unpackage->turbo line, only the HOR is a downward fluid manifold)... assuming i let everything fill up first, i don't actually see what the supposed problem is with such a layout?

[pastel obsidian]

Most people do what you have done without issue.

I think the first thing people blame is anything that you do that is "Different"

[twilit blade]

that's what i thought. i know that if the final pipe into the machine is going upward it's going to be problems, but all my fill pipes are from-above (to go over belts)

[pastel obsidian]

I normally have it go lower add a pump to push it up but honestly its not that huge of a deal.

[chilly forge]

easiest way to shit out steel in phase 3... 180 iron ore + 45 oil + 2 sloops + 2 shards = 480 steel/min on just one foundry

[prisma mural]

do machines sometimes sit at sub 100% for no apparent reason? ive been watching this refinery for the past 5 minutes and not once has it gone above 15units of alumina outgoing, yet it still says 98%

[wind spade]

more like the readings are unreliable

[prisma mural]

heard

my belts are at the expected throughput anyway

[vapid gorge]

yeah don't rely on the efficiency meters. Stare at the lights on top for a little while, see if they turn off

but also hover pack can stutter machines if you have power switches

[prisma mural]

how strange

[pastel obsidian]

Turn it on and off

[vapid gorge]

the hover pack bug is a small but fairly insignificant bug. Not a huge issue. The meters were never very accurate

[queen umbra]

How much coal per generator do I need

[prisma mural]

15/min

[queen umbra]

Only?

[prisma mural]

for 1 generator yeah

[queen umbra]

So if I have 3 belt of 60 I need a heck lot of generator?

[vapid gorge]

just 3 groups of 4 gens. Not a lot

[queen umbra]

12 to be exact

[queen umbra]

12 is a lot for me I'm really early game

[vapid gorge]

over clock the miners to 120 coal pm each. Make 3x groups of 8

[prisma mural]

You can do it

[queen umbra]

I don't have overclocking yet

[vapid gorge]

nah as soon as you get mk2 belts having like 24-32 gens is normal

[vapid gorge]

get it asap 🙂 it's your bread and butter of this game

[prisma mural]

The hardest part will be thewater, but take your time and consult the pioneers fluid dynamics handbook often

ah damn no links huh

[vapid gorge]

the water for coal gens is easy

just find a few nodes next to a lake - and you'll be fine

[prisma mural]

Fluid dynamics was certainly my first real hurdle when learning the game

[vapid gorge]

as long as you know the basics and keep things simple they're pretty easy 🙂
coal gens are also nearly impervious to bad piping, very resilient

[queen umbra]

I'm just going to do 4 coal generator per belt I won't have to worry about power for a long time after that

[vapid gorge]

every new machine you unlock uses significantly more power

if you have 4 nodes? I'd make 32 gens right off the bat - then upgrade to 64 with mk3 belts

[queen umbra]

I have 3 node

[vapid gorge]

3 groups of 8 then 6 groups of 8 😄

[prisma mural]

16 coal gens lasted me until i was able to get my oil plant up and running

thats the fun part for me anyway

[vapid gorge]

I do 64 coal gens, gets me to tier 7

[queen umbra]

Does pipe jonction work as a splitter for conveyor

[prisma mural]

Not exactly

For a coal setup it probably wont hurt to think about it that way, but once you get into oil and higher fluid throughputs you will start to run into problems

[split phoenix]

anyone know some pure iron nodes in the sand dunes

[prisma mural]

theyre everywhere dog

check pinned for a map

[hallow moth]

if you ignore the problems hard enough they go away

[prisma mural]

true!

[vapid gorge]

why pure?

[vapid gorge]

until you get the last tier of belt, you're generally limited by your belt speed, so pure nodes don't really give you much more than normal

[remote hollow]

You can make 1 whole modular engines per minute with 150 iron and like 30 oil

[queen umbra]

1 water extractor can provide 2.6 coal generator how do I do that and is it bad if I just connect it to 2 generator

[unique cypress]

It provides enough water for 2.(6), not just 2.6

That means 3 extractors can supply 8 generators exactly

[queen umbra]

Yeah but I don't understand how to do that set up

[unique cypress]

!wikisearch cg

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[queen umbra]

Thanks

You know the message clipping may occur what happens if it clip?

[barren lance]

Is this a good coal power plant for my first time building one?

[pastel obsidian]

I think you went overboard

[pastel obsidian]

Nothing, some people don't like it

[unique cypress]

It doesn't matter other than aesthetics

Unless we're talking about train tracks, then it does matter when it comes to functionality too

[barren lance]

It did take up all of my power shards, should I downsize it?

[remote hollow]

You could, I got through phase 2 with like 2.5k mw

Power is basically free in phase 3

[barren lance]

Do you think that I could just do phase 2 and phase 3 with this power plant?

[remote hollow]

No

I’m most of the way through phase three and I’m using 9k ish

[barren lance]

Okay. Just curious, do you think that I could ask some advice from you on a draft of my main base? It's kinda weird

I am planning on making a bunch of small factories in one location and combining them into one large collection system

[remote hollow]

That’s basically what I did

Yea

[barren lance]

Basically I have this one small factory here

It only takes up 177 MW of power and produces Iron plates, rods, screws, modular frames, rotors, and reinforced iron plates

then

[remote hollow]

That’s good

[barren lance]

I got a large conveyor belt

[queen umbra]

How much?

[barren lance]

How much product?

[queen umbra]

Yeah

[barren lance]

25 Iron Rods / hour

40 Iron Plates / hour

[remote hollow]

Hour or minute??

[barren lance]

Min

[remote hollow]

Ok

[barren lance]

mb, 110 screws/min

10 modular frames/min

15 Reinforced Iron plates/min

14.423 Rotors/min (because I wanted it to be a balenced ratio on the input)

And I am not sure if I should plug in some somersloops

This is the only factory that I have

[remote hollow]

Are you using dimensional depots?

[barren lance]

No

[remote hollow]

You should, way more convenient, also I heard long belts are bad for performance

[barren lance]

Well it's not like I can have a dimentional depot that gives an output

[remote hollow]

Are you using these to make project parts?

[barren lance]

No

[remote hollow]

Or are these to make machines

[barren lance]

Just personal

Oh

I see, I'll just have half of it into a huge storage system and then half into the dimentional depot

I often like to have a system that has a bunch of storage so that later on if I don't want to make an entire factory for a component then I can just create a temporary factory using conveyor belts and assemblers

Here I was gonna make the huge storage system

But I feel like I need to make it bigger

And it doesn't look good

[prisma mural]

thats a lot of industrial bins

[remote hollow]

Yea

[prisma mural]

Im something of a stroage freak myself

[barren lance]

1. I feel like this isn't enough storage 2. I forgot to snap it to world grid 3. It looks trashy

I think that I need about 2-3 times the amount of storage

[prisma mural]

im planning on doing a grand mall connected to a 4 lane global train network, for feeding in and out every item i manufacture

[remote hollow]

You should finish phase 2, tear it down and build a new one that you like and can connect with a train

[barren lance]

This is the storage system on my first world It is massive that fits every item in the game and is kinda annoying to build while having an auto-sorter. So that I can unload my inventory and have it all get auto sorted or just hook it up to multiple systems to automate

I used to be lazy so that I have more time to do efficiency rather than looks

[remote hollow]

Brodie I’m telling you there is no need for that😭🙏

If you really want a temp factory just set up some containers and put the items in by hand

[barren lance]

Also this was my old power that I was using when I quit my old save file. I had a combination of nuclear power and turbofuel

Ignore the diff. in capacity with max cons.

[versed stone]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-gif-24535420

[remote hollow]

What did you even do

[barren lance]

Here was my owesome sink stats

And my old inventory

45 coupons on standby

[remote hollow]

I have 120 now

Sinking excess computers

And a lot of coke

[barren lance]

Also I never used trains or drones

I used a single freight cart of a train and that's it

[remote hollow]

I’m not one to tell a person how to play a game

But this has to be an exception

[barren lance]

Dude, I could not figure out trains for the life of me the first time that I did this

[queen umbra]

Is 900 power enough for phase 2

[barren lance]

Idk I am doing 4600 rn

[fossil yarrow]

What phase do i get jetpack

[remote hollow]

3

[barren lance]

Before I do phase 2

[queen umbra]

Damn

[barren lance]

YO

[queen umbra]

I got 8 generator so I got 900 power

[barren lance]

MY OLD SAVE FILE IS SO CHOPPED

[fossil yarrow]

When do i get nuclear power

Im tired of using solid biomass

[remote hollow]

You get coal in phase 2

[pastel obsidian]

Power storage is basically free power till you get to fuel gens, saves you on overbuilding coal.

You can always go back and throw in some power shards and belt upgrades if you are cutting it close

[fossil yarrow]

Im on phase two rn

[barren lance]

Storage of my old base...

[fossil yarrow]

Good god bro

[fossil yarrow]

What are these

[barren lance]

My old system for transporting goods:

[barren lance]

Storage for plastic and rubber

[fossil yarrow]

Ohhh

[barren lance]

This used to be how I was. IT was so bad that I decided to lock in

On the new save file. I couldn't restart on this save file because there is so much to delete and it is so messy

I got three parts of my base

I will color code each one in an image

Here is my map

Mb 4 bases all connected

Actually, now that I think about it I had everyu system of power involved including bio-mass burners

[barren lance]

Should I continue on this save file?

[vapid gorge]

sure. The milestones are basically a tutorial

[prisma mural]

You should do whatever generates the spark that ignites the fire in your soul

[vapid gorge]

presonally I restarted at tiers 3 5 and 7 on fresh maps. Learned the basics really well

[vapid gorge]

you, don't use buffers in that system you posted.

[pastel obsidian]

Use SCIM to wipe your builds, let's you keep your progress

The hardest part of a new start is having to look for hard drives, sloops and spheres, this way you get to keep it all

[half frigate]

Producing 4 uranium fuel rods per minute, given burn time of 5 minutes per fuel rod, how many reactors can I feasibly supply? Could I supply 50? Or is the count lower. (I can double down if the count is lower).

4 per minute, 12 per recipe total, I have 4 manufacturers down

Im using the alt recipe, uranium fuel unit

[unborn dome]

What does Satisfactory Tools mean when it's describing power "up to" for things like particle accelerators? Is the main number the average, and "up to" is the max?

[vapid gorge]

should be the max yes

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch npp

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=npp

[unborn dome]

I just did this - if you OC the reactors to 250%, it's 8 reactors for 4/min uranium rods

[half frigate]

Not a single reactor will be overclocked

[unborn dome]

If you don't OC them, it's 20

But it's a huge space savings to OC them

[half frigate]

So my math was right

[half frigate]

I already have the production down and running, currently the rods are being sunk

[unborn dome]

Yeah they consume the same amount of rods overall, you just have to build less reactors.

[half frigate]

I need to fuel 50 so I now know I need to double down and add a couple more

[unborn dome]

I've got 8 reactors (at 250%) burning 4 uranium fuel rods per minute, which produces 200 uranium waste/min, which makes 1.5 plutonium fuel rods/min (which I'm currently sinking)

[half frigate]

I worked out the uranium waste to plutonium fuel rods precisely

Upto 50 on uranium and the rest on plutonium

[unborn dome]

That's a lotta power

[half frigate]

Its taken roughly 30-36 hours to do

[half frigate]

250 reactors

[unborn dome]

OC to 250% and build only 100 reactors intead 😄

[half frigate]

Nah

250 @100%

I have the mod that increases reactor power output 10 fold from 2.5Gw to 25Gw each

So I dont need to overclock them

[unborn dome]

Overclocking them is just space and time(building) savings

[half frigate]

I plan for 250, I will be building, 250

[unborn dome]

Yeah it's the same amount of rod consumption and waste production

[half frigate]

I have devoted almost 40 hours just building the entire base

[unborn dome]

I just spent like 100+ hours doing mine, and that was only 4/min uranium rods and those 8 250% reactors to consume them

[half frigate]

I have 35 particle accelerators down and roughly 350-400 assemblers down

I even set up a 5 car train for the resources that entire process needs

[unborn dome]

Nuclear death train ftw

I've got a pair too, for the raw uranium

[half frigate]

No uranium on the train

I actually have only 1 miner on a uranium node, the highest up node in the entire world

[unborn dome]

You're pulling sufficient uranium out of that for all you're planning on doing? Iirc that's an impure node.

[half frigate]

Im actually overflowing with uranium and encased uranium cells

Even my 4 blenders are overstocked on both uranium and the cells

[unborn dome]

The max that node is capable of is 300/min, unless you've modded your uranium nodes or something?

[half frigate]

Im almost producing enough electromagnetic control rods to triple down on uranium fuel rod production

[half frigate]

Nah no uranium mods

Im using alt recipes

[unborn dome]

I'm using the default uranium recipes, but that's only 400/min raw uranium into 4/min uranium rods. I don't think the alts are that much better?

[half frigate]

Hang on im getting a screenshot of the setup

[pastel obsidian]

Thats very low

[unborn dome]

It's the default?

[half frigate]

Who me?

[unborn dome]

Yeah I'm using the third one.

[half frigate]

That one impure node, is producing enough uranium fuel rods for me to quite literally, almost quadruple down, im not kidding. The only resource I fall behind on, is the electromag control rods

[unborn dome]

But yeah, wow, the all-alts version more than doubles the rod yield

At the cost of needing a ton of caterium...

[pastel obsidian]

it's not that much

[unborn dome]

I was thinking caterium for that quantity of ECRs and crystal oscillators needed for the second step too

[half frigate]

Yea it really isnt that bad bro

[half frigate]

The alt recipes are awesome and the only item youd actually need to put effort into is the control rods. Just, max OC 1 assembler to make the AI limiters and boom, control rods easy

And crystal oscillators

[unborn dome]

Crystal oscillators need a better alt, tied for disliking making them or high-speed connectors more lol

[half frigate]

Genuinely, the insulated alt, is the best one

[pastel obsidian]

The default isnt too bad you just need the quarts and iron

[half frigate]

You dont have to fk around with screws and you just need quartz, rubber and Ai limiters

[pastel obsidian]

its just that quarts is always in a bad place

[unborn dome]

I've avoided everything with screws just on principle at this point

Zero screws in my entire production chain

[pastel obsidian]

there are no good recipies that use screws

[half frigate]

I make the rubber off site and use a truck to transport it over, same with the sulfur, it gets trucked over from the train station and its great

[half frigate]

Amen to that

[pastel obsidian]

I build an electronic wheelhouse near an oil node, Oil + Copper + Cat + quartz you have it all under one roof

[half frigate]

Thats a good idea, its super easy

[pastel obsidian]

Well AI, HSP, Computers, CO it is a mini mega factory

[half frigate]

Computers where a pain before I figured out a proper manu manifold

[pastel obsidian]

Computers are just copper and plastic

[half frigate]

I use the rubber alt

[pastel obsidian]

I had an awakening once I figured it out

ooh nice

[unborn dome]

I heavily leaned on the plastic alts for my electronics factory (up to supercomputers and RCUs). Really simplifies things when the only inputs are caterium, plastic, rubber, and quartz.

I had to ship in aluminum casings by drone for the RCUs, but that's it.

[pastel obsidian]

i would have it i wasn't so stingy with the quickwire

[half frigate]

Funny enough, 1 impure node with a mk3 miner will produce enough ore for 8 blenders using the encased uranium alt recipe which allows you ot produce upwards of almost 12 damn uranium fuel rods per minute. If each manufacturer is overclocked from 0.6 to 1 per minute

Being overstocked on encased cells and uranium ore is a blessing even from an impure node making 300 ore pure minute

[gilded linden]

252 is all the uranium in the world

just to chip in, i dont overclock mine for the express purpose for having more machines - i want the ocean of reactors

[mint sigil]

i need some insight from the other is it really this headache just to make some versatile framework?

[gilded linden]

nuclear goes brrrrr

[half frigate]

Im fully aware man.

[gilded linden]

hi Fully Aware Man, I'm dad

[half frigate]

Hi dad, im fully aware man

[half frigate]

It really isnt

[half frigate]

this is as tidy as i could make it over 135 hours of gameplay ago and this makes both VHF and HMF, 16x9 platform area

[mossy halo]

I don't get it. I have 1340/m rubber available, my circuit board factory consumes only 1080/m. If I connect the priority merger to the circuit board factory, everything line and machine turns into ?. Fun thing it worked flawlessly before I restarted the modeler a few minutes ago. The output of rubber factory 2 was shown as 440/m in the graph attached. As you can see in the 2nd image, the output of the factory is coming from a priority splitter, so if some output is not used, it is consumed by the awesome sink. This scheme works in every other outpost I have.

[mint sigil]

I’m avoiding screws and trying to make sure every resource is used as efficiently as possible, with nothing wasted. I’m also using many alternate recipes to cover missing nodes or nodes that are too far away. I’m playing in the jungle biome, which feels a lot harder. But I enjoy taking the game slowly and appreciating every part of the process—even the struggle.

[half frigate]

I'd make a blueprint, but mine uses screws so

I'd have to spend a couple hours alone remaking it just for VHF without screws

GL though mate

[hushed silo]

it shouldnt be like this

modeler isnt for spacing every single out machine
its for designing production chains

[frosty owl]

I have a few ideas as to why, but it would be nice to actually see the issue
Can you take a screenshot of the "?" lines when they're acting up rather than working fine/not connected?

[hushed silo]

sushi hype beast

[frosty owl]

Slight disagree: I think it can work fine to detail individual machines, it's trying to use "individual splitters" like in-game that really makes things messy (and the tool lags the hell out trying to manage them)

[frosty owl]

Today I'll finally finish my factory plan

[hushed silo]

okay bro look at all the work

is it rly necessary

[hushed silo]

if its just plan then i might believe u

[frosty owl]

Yeah, just the plan...
It has been taking me a few tens of hours

[mossy halo]

It's getting more funny. I imported from a backup save from yesterday evening and it showed the values correctly. But closing and starting the modeler again it acts up

[frosty owl]

That is quite weird...
Just to make sure, but you're not touching any of the options in the meanwhile, right?

[mossy halo]

correct

[frosty owl]

Can you try adding one more smart splitter between the problematic rubber output and input?
Try having the overflow leave through there rather than inside an outpost, just to see if the tool handles that better

[fossil yarrow]

What are we thinking about these specs

4 coal and i think 14 bio generators

[frosty owl]

I personally never "nested" overflow managements inside of outposts, so I'm unsure wether the tool can actually manage that without messing up priorities somehow

[fossil yarrow]

Only like 7 are active tho

[frosty owl]

Ngl, the thought of "please for the love of god take screenshots and not pictures of your screens!" is kind of being louder than anything else in my mind right now 😅

[fossil yarrow]

I play PlayStation so itd take like 8 more minutes to screenshot anf get it on my pgone

[frosty owl]

Ugh, fair enough

[fossil yarrow]

Clippy

Holy smokes why am i making so many typos

Too many hours in the factory

[mossy halo]

Yes, having another overflow handling outside the outpost makes it working again. Maybe it is, because I merge two outpost together, that the overflow handling in the outpust won't work. The thing is it worked without problems yesterday 🧐

[frosty owl]

If power capacity is over max power consumption, there's nothing to worry about
Time to kick back and relax until the next tier/big factory (at least, power-wise)

[fossil yarrow]

Awesome

[frosty owl]

From personal experience, I tend to alway extract overflow as "late" along the splitter chain as possible. Even if I don't make use of outposts, I've noticed things getting a bit weird with priorities when I did the opposite (overflow first, then a whole chain of splitters, possibly with other overflow paths too...)

[vapid gorge]

use a less dumb planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=sMmPibV7Kdo60pyg0lOm

cause whatever created that is awful

[frosty owl]

Yes, the Sinks take power too, but only when running ^^

[mossy halo]

Ha. Instead of having two outposts and merging them together after each having their overflow handling, I moved the plan for each outpost (since they are identical) into a blueprint x2 within the first outpost, have the overflow handling in there as I do in all my other outposts and can connect the output flawlessly to the circuit board factory as a single line from rubber factory 1

[fossil yarrow]

The store doesn’t though

[green basin]

this is so nice what😭😭

[vapid gorge]

it's a very clear planner - it takes a bit of practice and know how to use well, but you can create plans in a few seconds

more time if you're exploring and exchanging alt recipes ofc to see the differences

[green basin]

yeah im def gonna be using this all the time

[vapid gorge]

you'll probably want turn off SAM ore in the inputs tab, as the conversion recipes are considered basic and SAM ore has low value
or turn off the converters or conversion recipes

but other than that? it's pretty intuitive

imo the most powerful way to use it is when you check an ALT recipe, uncheck the other recipe. That way it forces the planner down a specific path and you can compare things. You can also quickly create multiple copies of tabs and edit them to compare that way

[frosty owl]

Different tools for different needs. Use whatever fit yours the best

[mossy halo]

I can add all the custom recipes from all the different mods to Satisfactory Modeler's game_data.json, so the modeler works best for me. And if I don't create such edge cases as above, it isn't a dumb tool

[frosty owl]

Nice. Seems like you really did end up in a bit of a weird spot for the tool...
Ngl, I often use storage containers instead of splitters, just to really separate when I want to use a specific split (overflow or balanced) rather than just a whatever-manifold

[frosty owl]

Well, if it can't figure out the convoluted splitter shenanigan you created it's a dumb and awful tool, obviously :P
Best to use one that doesn't allow you to plan any of that at all instead

[marble panther]

how do i properly plan out ratios for a factory?

[hard knoll]

If you take 2025 and add one year then it becomes 2026

[pastel obsidian]

I did this excel and this was not the result

[hard knoll]

Really?

Well you just have to get better

[hushed silo]

is capy caping?

[wind spade]

Math

[marble panther]

sure but like how do i figure out how much raw reseource i need for smth when it need like 4 different parts

[wind spade]

Start from end product

Work backwards

[marble panther]

ok

[hushed silo]

u set on an output u wanna have like 5 HMF/m and work backwards with recipes u wanna use

steam modeler is good for that

[wind spade]

Modeller is a lot of manual work tho

[hard knoll]

Fr i am

[queen umbra]

Is 8 rotor per minute enough

[wind spade]

For what?

[queen umbra]

For personal usage

Like building

[wind spade]

Depends if you'll build faster or slower than the production

Just build something, you can always build more

[queen umbra]

Right

Is a putting coal generator over coal generator fine to make power ?

[silent charm]

my generators doin breakdance 😭

[fallen salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-michael-jackson-jackson-michaeljackson-dance-jackson-gif-8016993508212768083

[silent charm]

why is water so weird 🫠

[wind spade]

Is it?

[dusky dust]

Sure; expands instead of contracts when frozen, for one!

[mossy halo]

Every calculator tool is a bit of work to get what you want.

[wind spade]

For sure, but modeller is a bit on the extreme side

[wind spade]

Shh, don't give devs ideas

[marble mural]

Could I potentially use all of this for steel production to the max?

[wind spade]

You can do almost anything 🙂 whatever your goal is

[silent charm]

pump keeps fluctuating somehow, some pipes are constant 600m/min but some of same grid are going to 450 then dipping to 0 then 500 then dipping again

[wind spade]

That's most likely wrongly built pipe

[mossy halo]

How?

[wind spade]

Most planners spit out the whole plan in a second

[mossy halo]

yeah, and that's something I for example dislike as I would need to touch everything once until it's how I like it. Different tools for different people

[dark badge]

None of that here please. People can use the tools they wish to use. Someone took time and made a tool for users to try out. No need for language like that.

[oblique hollow]

would need more info on how its laid out.
Its not the water thats weird its the pressure that can get weird - especially if the piping isnt ideal

most often if you try to move 600/min then you cant just manifold it normally straight away

you should try to split it up equally first (a 600/min pipe into 2 300/min or 3 200/min pipes), then you can manifold it into consumers

[misty torrent]

Just realized that the package-unpackage loop for diluted fuel can also be used for rubber + plastic

[oblique hollow]

yes. its just diluted packaged fuel in general.
Recycled Rubber and plastic need the fuel efficiency

[shadow sinew]

my 100% green energy pledge before 2026 will fall flat, because I got hooked on arc raiders, and I dont think I can finish in the 9 minutes left xd

[queen umbra]

My first rotor factory just gotta plug power in it produce 9.5rotor/min

[oblique hollow]

womp womp

better luck next year

[queen umbra]

It's working 🙂

[fleet thorn]

You can switch splitters to mergers and change levels of conveyers by pressing E.
You also should get a bridge and storage box and other stuff into hot bar. I place water related stuff into second hot bar, you could do so too

[unborn dome]

I have a 250%, 4x-slooped particle accelerator to finish Phase 4 before I properly build a pasta factory with mk6 belts later. That power draw tho.

[pastel obsidian]

Welcome,

1. don't need splitters to split in modeler, each machine can split and merge as many times as you want. In the example the iron is split into 5 and merged into 1

2. The number on the bottom of the card tells you how many of the machines there are, In the example there are 5 smelters just represented differently

[queen umbra]

How to switch to second hotbar I'm kinda new to PC playing

[unborn dome]

Hold Alt and scroll the mouse

[queen umbra]

How do I get the schematic to make modular frame I can't find it

[vapid gorge]

wdym 'schematic'? do you mean just unlocking it?

!wikisearch modular_frame

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=modular_frame

[prisma mural]

yeah i think ill just use a manifold

[queen umbra]

Is 60 iron ore input enough or should I get a new spot

[vapid gorge]

the game forces you to spread out - treat this like a tutorial, build stuff as you go and see how thigns work

[queen umbra]

Things don't work as plan

[vapid gorge]

that's basically how you learn 🙂 assume everything you do the first couple times will be terrible

[prisma mural]

If i had screenshots of my first save i would send them. it was truly horrific

Dont be afraid to hit that scanner and find a new pure node

[vapid gorge]

Because clocking exists pure nodes are almost exactly the same as normal in most stages

your belts will be your bottle neck for most of the tutorial

[queen umbra]

How do I send 67.5 ingot into 2.25 constructor?

How can I split it to be 67.5 what are the alternative

[vapid gorge]

lots of ways. You could just have 1 constructor set to 225%

or you can just make a manifold like this

[queen umbra]

I would need 3 power shard?

[vapid gorge]

a manifold would probably be simpler if you didn't have a ton of power shards to spare

[queen umbra]

I have build only one and I have like 6 power slug in stock

[vapid gorge]

just make 3 machines then, clock the last one to 25%

[queen umbra]

But the real question is how do I manage the conveyor

[vapid gorge]

like in the image

if I fed the right amount of parts per min to those 4 machines they would be evenly fed on their own

once the first machine fills up, it overflows to the next. And so on

[digital raptor]

currently phase 0, any tips on what to focus on?

[vapid gorge]

you're in the pre tutorial, just learn 🙂

the milestones are guide posts though

[vapid gorge]

do you understand?

[digital raptor]

aight, thank u

[queen umbra]

Yeah I'm doing it rn

[vapid gorge]

also just a tip - but assume everything you build the first couple times will be terrible. That's just part of the learning process

don't stres over it

[pastel obsidian]

That looks like hell the best I could do was this, mk 6 belts would make it so easy

[prisma mural]

yeah haha

praise be the priority merger

[queen umbra]

I did the factory for modular frame 5/min so cool

Overclocking and underclocking make everything so much easier

[vapid gorge]

it's your most powerful logistical tool you have the entire game 🙂

[queen umbra]

It doesn't work

Never mind it just takes time to set up

And work

[vapid gorge]

yup, just go build something else while it spins up to 100% 🙂

[queen umbra]

What does max consomption mean for power

[pastel obsidian]

if everything was running how much power it would use

[queen umbra]

I consume 537MW but max consomption is at 727MW

But everything is running

[pastel obsidian]

you might have a line or factory thats backed up

they stop when the output us full or have no input

look for yellow lights in your factory

[queen umbra]

I messed up so bad I though if I connected my container to a AWESOME sink it would fill the container then the excess in the sink but no it goes straight to the sink I don't have any plate anymore

[queen umbra]

Oh ok yeah

[prisma mural]

oh nooo

[vapid gorge]

smart splitter before the container with overflow to sink bud

[pastel obsidian]

take some plates form somewhere else

[queen umbra]

I don't have yet

[vapid gorge]

ah yeah , go unlock those right now, They are incredibly useful

[queen umbra]

What tier?

[pastel obsidian]

iron pates have such a low value in the sink just keep them for building IMO

[vapid gorge]

you can unlock it tier 1 I think?

in the MAM

[queen umbra]

I don't think I'm even close to that

[queen umbra]

The container full was enough but damn I lost it all

[vapid gorge]

you haven't finished the first phase yet ?

I don't recomend sinking anything before you have automated power

[vapid gorge]

also reload an autosave

[queen umbra]

I'm at phase 2

[vapid gorge]

oh then you can definitely unlock smart splitters in the MAM

also, if you want your items back, reload the autosave

[pastel obsidian]

just OC and sloop it you will be back to normal in 5 minuites

[tropic hazel]

what would be the easiest way to split 3 full mk2 belts into 8 foundries (45/m)?

[pastel obsidian]

just manifold it

[vapid gorge]

clock 3 groups of foundries to use exactly what's on the belts

[tropic hazel]

i only have mk2 belts rn

on this save

so like

the numbers dont workout well

[vapid gorge]

that's why you clock the machines

[tropic hazel]

true i could clock it to 30/m and just use more machines

[unique cypress]

A 3:8 balancer

[vapid gorge]

using 9 machines and clockign is definitely the easiest

[tropic hazel]

yeah ill just do that

[queen umbra]

Which tech tree is it

[pastel obsidian]

MAM Caterium Research

its the gold looking ore

[queen umbra]

Ok

What exactly does it do?

[pastel obsidian]

!wikisearch Smart Splitter

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Smart+Splitter

[queen umbra]

Ai limiter wth is that

[wind spade]

an item

@warm swift why post in channel where we can't talk?

I've forwarded it here

as for your question - choose what you want, there's no bad recipe and if you like what a recipe does, pick it. You can get all recipes anyway

[warm swift]

i havent had any problems with posting a screenshot in media and waiting for a response that way

[wind spade]

but we can't talk in #screenshots

why not ask here or anywhere else where we can talk

[viral sparrow]

solid steel is one of the best recipes in the game imo

[wind spade]

in your opinion maybe, in others' opinions maybe not 🤷

[prisma mural]

Yo is there like a """"meta""" diamonds recipe? or are they all sorta similar and allow for player choice

[viral sparrow]

i like oil diamonds

im pretty sure petroleum diamonds is like completely useless unless you already have petro coke laying around

yeah this is so pointless lmao

[prisma mural]

haha yeah it costs more crude in total

[viral sparrow]

and a shit ton more power

[prisma mural]

how strange

[viral sparrow]

and more logistics

and theres even a byproduct granted its a very easy one to deal with

[prisma mural]

The rare polymer resin % speedrun category

[viral sparrow]

phase 3 %

[pastel obsidian]

You can pick both

[prisma mural]

Wait its for Rocket fuel power chads

you get diamonds for free on the side

[warm swift]

i figured people would generally know which option is better from just showing an image, i guess not

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vapid gorge]

there's also no meta with recipes - depends on
what you want to make
where you want to make it
how much
what else you might be making
what other recipes you want ot use

just collect all the recipes and get all the options

[viral sparrow]

yes but why would you ever choose petroleum coke over oil based

[pastel obsidian]

Meta is what's most popular which definitely is a thing in every game

[viral sparrow]

if you dont already have petroleum coke being made*

[vapid gorge]

to be fair, that's probably the most questionable alt recipe in the game

the only use case I can see is if you havent managed to unlock oil diamonds or other recipes

[pastel obsidian]

I was more so referring to oil vs coal diamonds

[vapid gorge]

if you start from a point where you have all the alts unlocked? yeah I can't find an argument for it

though honestly I probalby wouldn't end up using oil diamonds either. I have a lot more use for oil once everythign is unlocked and TONS of coal all over doing nothing

[pastel obsidian]

There are a few questionable alts in the game they don't all need to be useful

I wouldn't be surprised if many of the alts are from a time when the game was meant to head in another direction

[viral sparrow]

ah

[viral sparrow]

cant blame you, i havent used coal for much outside of coal power and steel (and rocket fuel)

[vapid gorge]

diamonds came outs in 1.0 though, so that doesn't seem to be the case there.
'not having all alts' isn't a terrible aspect to have either? just makes it niche

also my stance on oil diamonds is mostly based on having a very large world system that taxes a lot of resources.
If you're not building huuuuge using a bunch of oil for it would be fine

[pastel obsidian]

They probably had a design philosophy that petro coke should be a coal alternative and had to have a petro coke to diamond recipe

Or something like that

[prisma mural]

I imagine the idea is to come up with as many alt recipes as possible with even the most niche use cases to allow for unique solutions to whatever problems you might have

[pastel obsidian]

Maybe they just had to think of things to try and fill the hard drives

[warm swift]

im also shit at making decisions as far as important stuff like alt recipes

[prisma mural]

real

[vapid gorge]

I mean sure, but the point is just looking at two recipes like that and asking 'what is good' is pointless, for all the reasons I've given

I don't know how you want to build where you want to build with what and other recipes. Neither do you really. So just get all your options

[prisma mural]

I only play with all alts unlocked anymore

the uncertainty of wether there existed a better recipe for what i was planning to scale up is kryptonite to me

[subtle topaz]

water doesnt make it past the pipeline pump, not sure what im doing wrong

[prisma mural]

pumps facing the wrong way

[subtle topaz]

holy fuck im a dickhead

[prisma mural]

hahaha

[vapid gorge]

not the only issue

how much water do your generators need?
how much water can you move in 1x mk1 pipe?

[subtle topaz]

max flow is 300m/min

[vapid gorge]

and 9x generators need?

[subtle topaz]

gens need 45/min

so 405/min

[vapid gorge]

therefor?

[subtle topaz]

i see

im gonna give it a go and if it blows up ill fix it lol

[errant flare]

9 is a very strange number for gens

[subtle topaz]

lowkey just started placing them down and i like shit to be symmetrical because im retarded and if i wanted to make it an even number it wouldnt be symmetrical on both sides

if that makes any sense

[errant flare]

Okay, that can work--if you downclock to compensate

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

these are convenient layouts for coal gens

needs 1x mk2 bbelt of coal, 3x extractors

[subtle topaz]

ive seen this but i dont have all the pipe shit unlocked so i cant do most of it

[errant flare]

If you have any pipes unlocked, you can do it

[subtle topaz]

even w the shitty 4 way splitter?

[errant flare]

It's the only splitter you get

[vapid gorge]

there's only 1 junction type

[subtle topaz]

i see

[errant flare]

But it's enough

Also, you should probably read the first half of this to get a better understanding of how things work. Pipes are not the same as belts.
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf

The whole thing is only like 16pg or something, so it's very easy to get through.

[subtle topaz]

im honestly not sure how to make this work with mk1 pipes

i would just have to cut out like 4 gens to make it work

[vapid gorge]

please look at the diagrams

it clearly shows how there's 2 input pipes

if you follow the link, near the bottom of the page has another image that breaks it down even more

[subtle topaz]

ok makes a little more sense now, i was thinking pipes work the exact same way as belts

[vapid gorge]

pipes are bi directional, you'll have lots of issues if you treat them like belts

[subtle topaz]

still got like 2 gens that just are not getting enough water

copied pretty much exactly like the diagram

[vapid gorge]

you have 9 generators

[subtle topaz]

diagram has 8, even if i removed one id still have two that are lacking

[vapid gorge]

it'll balance out

delete one, connect the middle

[vapid gorge]

unless you understand a system completely , making it look 'pretty much' like an example is a very bad idea because you have no idea what you're breaking with the changes

[subtle topaz]

im so mad that worked

this game is so ungodly confusing

[vapid gorge]

you have to do the maths . That's it

you were demanding more water than yo uwere producing, you should not be surprised it didn't work

its like if you're asked

2x9 = ? and you write 22

it's just wrong and doesn't work

[subtle topaz]

so am i pretty much hard stuck to 8 gens until i get mk2 pipes or could i just add more water extractors and add to the chain (obviously adding more input pipes too)

[vapid gorge]

no? you could make bigger groups with more pipe connections

but it's generally more convenient to make groups of 8

for example when you get mk3 belts you could feed 240 coal to 2x groups of 8 gens

[subtle topaz]

mk2 belts woudlnt be able to keep up with 2 groupls of 8 gens?

[vapid gorge]

again math

2x8 = 16

how much coal pm does 16 gens need?

[subtle topaz]

1 gen=15/min

8 gen=120/min

i see

[vapid gorge]

belt and pipe throughputs will be your constraints to all your designs in the game

[subtle topaz]

sorry i know i sound slow lol but i only have 16hrs in game and majority of that is exploring lol

[vapid gorge]

that's ok, you'll get used to it

it'll become second nature to think about the belt and pipe limits

[steel olive]

usually i dont need help with the math, but this one has me stumped.

I have 3 Fluid sources. two 600/m pipes, one 300/m, making a total of 1500/m.

I have 4 fluid sinks. three are 393.75/m, one 337.5/m.

ive tried solving this on my own, but i cant seem to get it to work out

[crimson moat]

In that picture btw @subtle topaz , you're triggering a bug and breaking a pretty major pipe rule

the bug is junction entrance/exit height calculation being wrong when heights differ. To avoid it, don't ever use junctions angled like that (with an up or down). Just place them flat on the ground so that the exits point e.g. north/east/south/west, not up/down.

The pipe rule is that the final pipe going into a machine should be either level, or going downhill. Never uphill. To do that, place the junctions at or above the level of the inputs

[crimson moat]

that's 1518.75/min so no configuration will make it run at that speed

[steel olive]

right, i have one machine overclocked a little higher than it should, one moment

ill try again with the adjusted machine, and see if i need help in a bit, thanks for the assist!

nope, im good, it all works out

[frosty owl]

What's the heat against "bottom-feeding", now?

[crimson moat]

more backflow, more stall

[frosty owl]

Meh.
I'll keep doing it until I notice it myself :P

[steel olive]

I only really worry about that stuff if it's my power plants. Otherwise its not too big of a deal, especially with a water tower

[timid meadow]

Additionally, and this question may be better placed in mathematics, does anyone know if there is any way to get precisely a 22.5 degree angle in a 2d plane(specifically the xz plane)

(cross posted from architecture)

I'm currently playing with beams and right triangles and their placement, I'm just unsure if this is possible given that both a and b must be multiples of . 5

Only either a or b must be multiples of . 5, I suppose. I'm attempting to solve for a point which can be reached using multiples of . 5 in the x and z plane, and comes to an angle of 22.5 degrees. In all honesty I am not certain if this is even possible.

[vapid gorge]

there's a way to halve the 5 degree turn angle of foundations with beams but I don't know it off the top of my head, best bet is to do searches in youtube for videos - tons of neat architecture tricks like that ther e

[timid meadow]

I'm certain, I am more looking for a method to achieve any angle in a 2d plane. Halving the . 5 would fix this problem, but I expect a similar issue would rear her ugly head in time given my ambitions

As an update, I have solved this specific issue with an a value of 8m and a b value of 19.31 (approx) but I would still appreciate help of finding an exact equation to do so with.

[vapid gorge]

you could keep halving? but if you're on console you're kinda screwed

[timid meadow]

why so? Mathematically I believe there is most likely a way to solve for a point that is a multiple of .5 in both directions which has an a value that is a multiple of . 5

[vapid gorge]

yeah keep halving in the direction you want

[timid meadow]

Though an even more helpful equation would be one that allows for both a and b to be multiples of . 5

[vapid gorge]

but it is an extremely tedious method w/o mods

[timid meadow]

I'm not looking for a guess and check method, I'm attempting to solve for an equation

[vapid gorge]

sure you could run an equation and do repeated halves of placement to eventually get where you want - the issue would be not 'guessing' it would be taking the 30 steps to achieve the angle you want

you could probably tune the half method to something else? which might cut the number of operations you have to perform to get to the angle you want?

from memory just doing the single halving step was annoying. I certainly wouldn't want to do it repeatedly

As for using the halving method in a slightly different way, you could probably build an external structure that lets you attach the beam at different angles, but it would still be limiting, it wouldn't be a free form angle choice

if you can break down the angle methods they show on youtube into a method for 'any angle simple' I'd love to see it, but it might be easier and more feasible to work an extra job, buy a pc, and get a mod.

[timid meadow]

Well, I've already solved it without half turning for a single angle. Logically I can find an equation to do so for any angle

Apologies if it seems as though I am being combative, I just believe I have the foundations for a slightly easier method than previous (for vanilla at least) and would like to explore it's options

[vapid gorge]

sure, test it out and post it on yt if you got something

[vapid gorge]

@vital copper ok so what do you need explained here

[vital copper]

im interested in how much power it will consume

just to run

[vapid gorge]

it tells you in the power tab

[vital copper]

hell yeah i got the heavy oil residue alt

[vital copper]

damn that's like almost all my power😭

[vapid gorge]

build some power storage first

or make a bit more coal. You'll be alright

[vital copper]

nah wait a sec

im making 6795 currently

i think im good on running this

i just uh

need build this monstrosity

[vapid gorge]

for the packaging and unpackaging, I recommend you make a blueprint with Packager -> refinery -> unpackager in it's own loop. It's the simplest option

[vital copper]

ye i get it

i need to gather motors and stuff

lemme do some math

so i know how much i need

[vapid gorge]

the link should also tell you how many parts you need

[vital copper]

gimmie the link again pls

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=kfmLTnYmOAVOs3KRAt9l

it's a very very good tool to use, it's well worth learning the basics

it doesn't include the parts for the generators ofc though

and it gives you the numbers as if everything is clocked to 100% which may not be the case for you

[vital copper]

gah ill try to get this much

im kinda broke

and all that not including fuel generators

oh god

[vapid gorge]

if you've got parts automated go and explore, they'll fill up their storages

[vital copper]

i mean yeah

but i use steel pipes to make motors

so ill need to build a new steel factory just for the pipes

[gleaming rampart]

Ok i need help. On the left side i have 4 refineries with sloppy alumina alt recipe, which needs 200 x 4 water. On the right side 4 refineries with aluminium scrap recipe creating 120 x 4 water. 200 x 4 - 120 x 4 = 320, so a shortage of 320 water per minute, on the left i have two pumps doing 160 each. So how is it that these machines get filled to 100% water and stop functioning.

[pure fiber]

Add a pump

[gleaming rampart]

Ok added a valve there only letting 80 L/min through lets see how that works out

[pure fiber]

Add a pump after all reclaimed water exits

To ensure it’s going back to production

[vapid gorge]

don't mix the fresh and waste waters together, it's not a reliable method

[gleaming rampart]

Ok good to know, ill just package and sink it

[vapid gorge]

no need

blue is fresh , red is waste, jsut don't mix them in the first place. Just clock things properly

[gleaming rampart]

ahh ok

[unique cypress]

Wet concrete is easier for that

[vapid gorge]

basically just figure out what % of the bauxite will use fresh water and what % will use waste

[wind spade]

Since there's no "better", we can't really know that 🙂

[pure fiber]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[hushed silo]

elevator alts are never a thing tbf

unless u are like for fun

if there was an incentive for having a constant output of elevator parts then it would be a consideration

[vapid gorge]

@vital copper sure what do yo uneed

[vital copper]

i need to firstly build refineries, then after refineries i need to build packaging machine's right?

then water extractors

and what recipe's i use?

[vapid gorge]

the recipes in the link

[vital copper]

and also how many fuel powered generators i can run with this all..

[vital copper]

what tab

i cant find it

[vapid gorge]

it says in the visualization

you can see it in the bubbles https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1456226555029225597/image.png?ex=6957982a&is=695646aa&hm=c71289ebb2d655ee41da715c9dd04ed4ba021d5ddb55e9cac9f8ca9ec7062c59&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

to make it simpler I'd probably just do 2x 600 oil set ups.

so do two roups of this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=TLCGtINjGTu7LMPwVt16

[vital copper]

i can put polymer resin straight into a awesome sink or do i need to remake it into something

[vapid gorge]

either option works but hte end product will have to be constnatly sunk or used so the system doesn't back up

[vital copper]

ye i alr know that

[wind spade]

?

[vital copper]

from building my first fuel generators

[vapid gorge]

sinking is probalby simplest

[wind spade]

There is - sink points

[vapid gorge]

btw , an example of a small packager > refinery > unpackager loop https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1446538756206231632/image.png?ex=69574972&is=6955f7f2&hm=142c44624aeef4e6b671947d83592fa12b1bb45c334e1fe71f40709254a0ab0e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1673&height=941

it's even colour coded

[vital copper]

im ass at building

this is like something god tier for me

[vapid gorge]

I mean you could jsut copy this into a blueprint exactly if you want

blue for water, orange is fuel, purple is HOR

[hushed silo]

if its for you then im cool with that

[vital copper]

and what's red pipe for

[vital copper]

i dont rlly understand anything from this angle

[vapid gorge]

the red is just there to hold up the purple pipe

[vapid gorge]

so with example you'd probably place machines like this

[vital copper]

and why u place the purple pipe up in the air

what does it do?

[vapid gorge]

on the right side you'd run the water and HOR on the right side
and the fuel output on the left

[vapid gorge]

well you'd probably run the water under neath it.

[vital copper]

ok

[vapid gorge]

if that makes sense

[vital copper]

its ur pic right?

like u built it?

[vapid gorge]

nope, one I found searching images on the server

[wind spade]

I never claimed that everyone should use a recipe, I'm saying that the recipe is useful for somethong 🙂 whether or not you find a value in a recipe doesn't change how good the recipe is for other people

[digital raptor]

20 iron plate per min
40 screw per min
15rod per min
2 rotor per min
2 smart plate per min
8 reinforced per min
5 modular frame per min

I know its a bit spaghetti but it works haha

all machines show 100% so im happy

[vital copper]

is that a splitter or a merger in between packaging stations?

i cant understand anythingggg

[digital raptor]

should be a splitter

nvm, merger

[vital copper]

alr but what direction😭

if i wont finish ts i cant make my powerplant

cuz all by myself, ill prob make some spagetti and throw in the most basic manifold system even known to mankind

so it will never work out good enough

[vapid gorge]

don't build the merger

you don't need it

just stick a stack of empty containers into the system and it'll work on it's own

[vital copper]

into the blue packager?

[vapid gorge]

yup

[vital copper]

i decided to settle for 600 crude oil per minute for now

i will be expanding it later

[vital copper]

@vapid gorge how many fuel generators i can power with 1600 fuel per minute?

[vapid gorge]

well how much fuel does 1 fuel generator need at 100%?

[vital copper]

idk

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch FPG

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=FPG

[vital copper]

like 20 a minute?

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch fuel_powered_generator

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel_powered_generator

[vapid gorge]

the wiki is very useful 🙂

[wind spade]

the game tells you that, you don't even need wiki

[vital copper]

so uh

80?

[vapid gorge]

sounds about right

if you have the shards for it, many people over clock their fuel generators

[vital copper]

sounds like 20k energy

[vital copper]

i want it to work stable

[wind spade]

most likely 20G

[vapid gorge]

shards don't impact it being stable

[vital copper]

damn

it will consume more fuel per minute

[vapid gorge]

so? that just means you need fewer generators

[vital copper]

also true

[vapid gorge]

the entire point of clocking non extractors

[vital copper]

so how many generators ill need if i want to overclock them to 250%

[vapid gorge]

well 250% is 2.5x as much consumption right?

so divide 80 by 2.5

[vital copper]

32

[vapid gorge]

seems reasonable

[vital copper]

yeah

less space taken and less resources

[vapid gorge]

as long as you don't need the shards for anythign else? really useful

[vital copper]

nah i have like 200

that's why i love somersloops

imagine getting 10 shards from 1 purple slug

[vapid gorge]

anyways, sleep time! gl with it 🙂

[vital copper]

ty

gn

[versed mango]

Did a recipe for iron beam exist, like the iron pipe?

[rocky ravine]

i can have access to 1800 m3 of oil, do you think this kind of math checks out? (i don't have all recipes)

[hushed silo]

do we have any satisfactory plus pros in here?

[queen umbra]

What does the mk2 power pole do?

[rocky ravine]

7 connection instead of 4

[vital copper]

more connections

[rocky ravine]

and mk3 is 10 connection

[queen umbra]

Is it useful enough in the early game

[queen umbra]

Thanks you so much I was so wrong at the beginning this makes my life way more simple thank you

[marble cypress]

the math works out, are you sure you can extract that much water?\

and sulfur

[rocky ravine]

water yes

sulfur and coal i might have to get them from further and gather them

[marble cypress]

personally I would focus on a diluted fuel power plant first

[rocky ravine]

i already have diluted fuel

[marble cypress]

is it maxed out?

[rocky ravine]

idk if getting alternate recipes would help, also i hate how some machine usage is 5.000043 or something

[marble cypress]

do you need the power?

[rocky ravine]

i could build another nuclear plant but i have nothing else to do with oil

[marble cypress]

using 1800 oil for diluted fuel alone would be plenty of power, max it out then you can make turbo fuel out of it later

unless you wanna go ham for fun, then by all means go ham

this produces 60GW

you can use polymer resin for plastic too

[rocky ravine]

i wanted a little bit of packaged turbo fuel for jetpack, fabric and plastic and rubberfor production

2 fabric/packaged turbo for use and enough plastic/rubber to be fine in production so at least 100/min

[marble cypress]

you can still use it to make some turbo fuel, but you don't need massive quantities, you can make fabric, plastic and rubber out of the polymer resin but if you need larger quantities, you'll want dedicated factories so you can use the more efficient alternates

at least that's how I would do it

[rocky ravine]

i have 4 oil well if overclocked it goes to 1800 petrol. That what i'm trying to figure out how much turbo fuel i can squeeze with some oil (around 200/300 oil) going for the rest of the stuff

[marble cypress]

you could have the 300 extra make polymer resin aswell and you can then make whatever you want from there

[rocky ravine]

then idk why the builder tell me to use recycle plastic and recycle rubber

[queen umbra]

Ok I found the spot I found 3 pure coal node next to each other and 200m from that there is 2 pure iron node but all of that is like 2km away from my base should I do my first steel operation there?

[mossy halo]

why not?

[unique cypress]

They're the most efficient recipes for plastic/rubber

[queen umbra]

It's really far away would take a lot of conveyor

[mossy halo]

2km sounds not far

[queen umbra]

Your right it's going to be my first steel factory I shouldn't run out of steel

[wind spade]

you don't need to move it back

[queen umbra]

Yeah but each time I want steel part I need to go back to that location

[wind spade]

or use dimensional depot

[queen umbra]

I'm at the grass biome and it's in the desert

[queen umbra]

I would like to unlock it I just need Sam and to get Sam I will need explosive to destroy those green gas thing

[wind spade]

SAM is available without it as well

[mossy halo]

Gas pillars can't be destroyed with explosives

[gray flower]

is it really 22.4 for making pluotium from 2520 nuclear waste with all best alts?

[wind spade]

well, depends on what you call "best"

[gray flower]

like everything to make it run 100%

[wind spade]

any recipe can do "run at 100%"

[uncut depot]

How to remove this gifts falling on my property? They are noyning

[arctic willow]

you can disable seasonal events in one of the options (i forget which)

[sharp kernel]

is it worth using turbofuel for fuel powered gens or should i js use regular fuel

[wind spade]

"worth" depends on you only

do you want more power from your oil at the cost of more complex process requiring more raw resources?

[mossy halo]

calculate it ^^

[unique cypress]

they can tho

[mossy halo]

since when 😮

[unique cypress]

U8? 1.0? not sure

yeah, U8 https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Gas_Pillar#History

[barren lance]

Is this a good start to a megabase for starting to get production for phase 2 parts? I was thinking about possibly making these pillars and using this until phase 4. Not sure this is a good idea so I stopped mid way in creating the pillars and they are really expensive with costing over 4000 concrete with each.

I think that this might be enough space but I am not sure for phase 4 later on

[wind spade]

personally I wouldn't build a megabase, so I'd say any start is a bad start 😛

if you really want to build a megabase though, you pretty much need to plan the whole thing from the start

[vapid gorge]

no prob! manifolds are life savers

[vapid gorge]

I like the beams!

[hushed silo]

🤔

[wind spade]

as with all choices - choose whichever you like

[vapid gorge]

well iron wire is a great generalist recipe. Miners are a specialist recipe.

[deft lichen]

Since when do these have custom icons

[wind spade]

cast iron wire sounds like modded thing 🤔

[deft lichen]

Oh that would explain it

[vapid gorge]

ah yeah nm.
why is it made in a smelter? weird

get your SF+ out of here 😛

[hushed silo]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-cruise-shades-cool-smug-cool-shades-gif-18677159

cast iron wire seems to be iron screw equivalent from base game

same ratio after all, less machines

[vapid gorge]

having wire made in a smelter makes me want to try SF+ less tbh

[hushed silo]

it is a trip

[queen umbra]

Not even the thing that when you get close it shoot out gas?

[mossy halo]

Spore flowers can be nobelisked, that I knew. But gas pillars is new to me, even if it's there since U8

[oblique hollow]

You definitely can blow those up now

[hallow moth]

is making a smeltery to take 75k iron ore a bad idea

(using pure iron recipie)

[wind spade]

yes

[wide roost]

need a paranoia maths check on this "little" part of my uranium waste processing. i've got spread across three belts 2,520 uranium waste. all this needs to go to two sections - plutonium pellet and non-fissile uranium (360 and 2160 each respectively). 2,520 /7 = 360, a 1:6 ratio.

In stage 1: I balance the three input belts
Stage 2: I split the three outputs of stage 1
Stage 3a: I return two of those 9 outputs from stage 2 right back to the start before stage 1 (balanced)
Stage 3b: As i only need 3 belts total to run off to the production areas, i've merged 6 belts to two

Does this math check out and does the balancer image look ok? thanks!

[wind spade]

tbh I'd just hook each belt to the amount of machines it can feed 🤷

[unique cypress]

This could've been a simple 3:2 balancer lol

The belts would just need to back up

[wide roost]

i'm running an all radioactive items get balanced properly, anything else just gets smushed into whatever lol

[wind spade]

can still hook each belt to the amount of machines it can feed

[wide roost]

i know that can be done

never mind

[queen umbra]

Is the blueprint designer mk1 worth it?

[hallow moth]

yes 100%

[wind spade]

if you want to build a blueprint, you kinda need it (before mk2/3s)

[queen umbra]

Which one ?

[wind spade]

whichever you like the most

[queen umbra]

Idk copper isn't really useful rn idk if it will get more useful

[wind spade]

you can get all of the recipes eventually anyway, so it's not a choice that would matter much

[queen umbra]

It says rescan ( available once)

Is it available once in the playthrough or per hard drive

[wind spade]

once per drive

[queen umbra]

Nice

I think I would like steel ingot alternate recipe like iron ingot plus coal

[hushed silo]

copa aloy more useful

[queen umbra]

Cause I'm starting my first steel factory

[viscid marsh]

Usually, it's useful to keep it unchosen until you're ready to build the factory for it. Unless you want to get both.

[hushed silo]

instant plutonium would save u all this

[wide roost]

the ratios work out nicely for 126 uranium reactors to 84 plutonium reactors by using both sets of recipes in all steps (it's a max uranium no conversion to ficsonium run as well)

[hushed silo]

didnt u stated to have paranoia about ratios not so long ago?

[wide roost]

no, about maths

[hushed silo]

🗿

[wide roost]

thanks for wasting my time guys, could have just not bothered answering if you're not interested in helping

[ebon crater]

is there some sort of mechanic I am missing here? I have avoided placing signals at the end/start of merging/diverging paths, but I am wondering if i am missing something here...

like it works if i delete some rails and replace them :/

[unique cypress]

It's the 1.1 signal bug

Signals placed right at splits/merges sometimes error out for no reason

[ebon crater]

augh its new???

I had no idea, thank you

[frosty owl]

Wouldn't all this equal the following, with some simplifications?

1. Take 120/min off each belt and merge them to make the 360/min output
2. Split the 3 belts with the remaing items in 2 each (totaling 6 outputs)
3. Merge the 6 from (2) in two mergers to get the 2160/min (2x1080) output

[queen umbra]

What would you consider the best alternate recipe?

[vapid gorge]

no such thing. There's generalist and specialist recipes

[hushed silo]

pure copper

[sharp kernel]

anyone have an explanation as to why my pipeline pumps wont work after a few seconds of operating on a straight vertical pipe?

[hushed silo]

wdym they wont work

they should normaly

[sharp kernel]

the fuel gets into the pipe and fills the pipe but it wont flow out

[vapid gorge]

if there's no consumption or the pipe is full there's nothing to pump

[hushed silo]

maybe unpowered or just try to redo

[vapid gorge]

unpowered would be red light though, moderately obvious

[sharp kernel]

they are powered and the pipe they're connected to is full but the pipes after the pump wont fill

[vapid gorge]

you'd have to show some overhead images of your set up

photomode is good for that

[sharp kernel]

i think i got it to work

[wind spade]

nothing, because you can't compare recipes between each other like that

[pliant briar]

I have this question but it's kinda hard to explain, so basically I need to connect my single mk2 miner that mines 600/min iron to 10 different machines, some need 35 iron, some 75, some 55...it ranges, but all the 10 machines combined needs 570 iron, so how to do that? I thought maybe splitters but I can't rlly make it up how that looks

P.S I have mk3 belt, not higher

[unique cypress]

A manifold

[pliant briar]

I don't rlly know what is manifold, neither how it looks 😭 but Im hearing this word allot

[unique cypress]

!wikisearch manifold

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[pliant briar]

Oh, but like I only have mk3 belt max, and it can only do 270 a min

[unique cypress]

Then you can't pull out more than 270 from the miner

[pliant briar]

Isint it like possible whit like allot of splitters and then connect each splitter to each machine?

[unique cypress]

A miner has only one output. You can only connect one belt to it. If that belt can do 270 max, then that's how much you can extract from the miner. No amount of splitters can change that

[pliant briar]

Ahh

So it's lost cause?

What should i do then

[unique cypress]

you can get more miners

[subtle topaz]

finally getting somewhere

[pliant briar]

Yea I suppose, but now I have to find WAY more nodes💔

[unique cypress]

You could also get better belts. Mk4 can do 480

[pliant briar]

i JUST unlocked mk3

So its... Bit far yet

[potent pawn]

im maing 45/min RCU and i wanna use 33/min for turbo motors and upload the rest should i just manifold the manufacturers making turbo motors and put a depot at the end

[languid spoke]

Anyone got any good Turbo Fuel math for me, like how much coal and sulfer i need

just built my motor factory and now need to go into oil as i have no power left

Thinking of going with this

[kind bobcat]

How many nuclear generators does 9 uranium fuel rods per minute fuel

[flint lagoon]

18 if overclocked, or 45 non OC

[oblique hollow]

depends on the recipe combo.
Some combos need 0 coal but all of them need sulfur in some way

[unique cypress]

I'd put a smart splitter before the manifold so it overflows only after the manifold is full

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch npp

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=npp

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=uEezjPVLIVZgb6rx18RP

[hollow falcon]

para los españoles estoy pensando en crear yo un propio calculador por si alguien le intersa participar en el poryecto , mandarme un md

[wind spade]

English only server #rules

[remote hollow]

where do i put 32 refineries??

[dusky dust]

Near water. :)

[remote hollow]

🥀

[unique cypress]

33, actually. Assuming you don't overclock

[remote hollow]

ah close enough

[unique cypress]

And it's not that many as far as refinery counts go

https://imgur.com/a/w7blyKp this is like 200

[remote hollow]

i got it down to 26 with an alt recipe\

all that for just 80 versatile frame pm

[unique cypress]

That is a fucking lot, you know that

[remote hollow]

im impatient and i need 2500

thats 30 whole minutes

also ill probably need it for later tiers

[dense sapphire]

Is there a tool that calculates placement of smart splitters for output manifold overflow for full output belts?

i.e. I have 15 machines in a manifold each outputting 36 items (540 total) items and I have MK2 belts (120/s). I'm looking for something that'll calculate where to place the smart splitters to handle overflow, i.e (after 3rd machine, after 6th, machine, etc.) to create full belts (i.e. 4 full belts and half full belt in this case)

Or is there a nice mathmatical formula I can use to calculate it?

[unique cypress]

I'd merge machines in sets of 3 (5 belts of 108) and then go from there

Either use them as is, or use a belt mixer if I want anything other than 5x108

[brisk smelt]

120/36=10/3, so merge the first 9 to 3 and the 10th goes split 3 waays into the 3, 6, 9 respectively

[dusky dust]

There's a hypothetical graph out there in the aether pitting "factory build time" versus "Elevator target delivery time." I'm willing to bet that it will take you more than 30 extra minutes to build a 80/min factory versus a 40/min factory, for instance. :)

[remote hollow]

idk

theres a difference between making a factory in an extra 30 minutes and waiting an extra 30 minutes

[dusky dust]

(as for later tiers, keep in mind that by the time you reach those future unlock requirements, you'll have almost certainly had a lot of time to create backlog, if you wanted to do so. :)

[remote hollow]

also big numbers are fun