math-and-meta

[wind spade]

no, you cannot blueprint existing things

only way to create blueprint is to build the blueprint box and fill it with stuff

[limpid rain]

Ah. I havent unlocked them, so I assumed the whole point was to "cut and paste" with resources from invent to duplicate stuff 😂

[worldly nebula]

the devs would not have a very fun time trying to implement something like that, the current blueprint system already has its own hurdles

[limpid rain]

If rotating and such isnt within reach, how do you guys handle the messy influx of early supply lines? I have 4 iron mk2 lines, 2 copper, 1 limestone, a few coal, etc, all coming in from different directions. Do you just pick one side of your factory as "inputs", and hide/organise the lines as they come in, do you spread production out across kilometers?

[worldly nebula]

i used a standardised I/O system for all my factories

so i have 1 side that is only the inputs, and one side that is only the outputs

[vapid gorge]

you can have inputs for various manifolds come from anywhere really. Manage the final outputs

[worldly nebula]

there are different ways you can approach it, it really depends as does everything lmao

[limpid rain]

My current starter base location had some decent iron, lime, and copper. Relatively close water and coal, if in small supply.

To bring in higher volumes, Ive currently just got snakes of conveyer belts feeding from node back to base. Is there a cleaner way of doing it before setting up automated tractors, or is that the next step?

[worldly nebula]

i only started building "large" factories once i had a train network online

[dreamy totem]

I just have massive belt highways😭 now transitioning to trains

[worldly nebula]

that is just cuz of ptsd from other saves where i didn't

[worldly nebula]

yeah that is the ptsd i am talking about

[dreamy totem]

LOL

belt highways aren’t bad till u have to lift them up or down

[worldly nebula]

my rule is to stop using belt highways way before you think you actually need to stop, because once i feel like i should stop, i have already gone way too far

[limpid rain]

Im about to try and start automating late iron and early steel, so I can work on Stage 2. But to get into automating those iron cubes and steel and such, Im going to need to pull in like 4 or 5 more lines, probably spreading across 1-3km 😂

[dreamy totem]

If ur going into steel best advice is please make yourself a few blueprints 😂

Btw I’m making a little over 1200 steel per min with just 2 nodes

So u may not need 5 lines for it

[worldly nebula]

for my current save i did a micro-factory infrastructure for everything until i started my mega factories, so i just essentially only transported the most pre processed stuff, and only to places where it was 100% needed, and i planned on where I would build them so that if they did need to export the factories who needed them were also close by

[dreamy totem]

Unless ur going hugeeee

[worldly nebula]

it is highly reliant on having good alt recipes

[limpid rain]

Ive got all the early game materials automated now, up to rotors. Havent done the cubes you use to build vehicles, the Stage 1 red wall pieces, or anything steel or later.

[limpid rain]

Alt recipes?

[south crystal]

I get it now thanks bro

[dreamy totem]

Yes

Hard drives

[limpid rain]

Havent found any yet I dont think?

[worldly nebula]

if i didn't need to transport something, then i wouldn't so i would only use recipes that used some resource that was nearby

[dreamy totem]

They are pretty common if you havnt found any I’m honestly surprised

[worldly nebula]

there are like >140

[dreamy totem]

Yeah I highly doubt you havnt came across one

[limpid rain]

Its more than possible I walked right by one. Ive found a few crash sites full of materials, but nothing hugely exciting except some early iron pipes and beams

[dreamy totem]

That’s where u get hard drives

[worldly nebula]

every single crash site has a harddrive

[limpid rain]

Oh

[worldly nebula]

every single one

[limpid rain]

Ive passed like 5 then 😂

[dreamy totem]

Different requirements for each some are free some require power and some resources to unlock

[limpid rain]

Huh. Ill look into that after my current project of tripling my power supply 😂

[dreamy totem]

What power are u on rn?

Still using coal?

[limpid rain]

8x coal, adding a new plant to go up to 24

Yeah, only got coal properly sorted tonight

[dreamy totem]

Okay hear me out ur gonna get fuel generators rly rly soon

Don’t waste ur time on coal honestly lol

I built a hugeeee coal plant and literally 3 hours later tore it down for a fuel gen plant

[limpid rain]

A bold claim considering I havent even sorted steel smelting yet 😂

[worldly nebula]

i am psychotic and made a >150GW fuel (just normal fuel not turbo or rocket) powerplant for this save

[dreamy totem]

Jeez dude come build one for me LOL

I don’t have the patience

[dreamy totem]

I didn’t have hardly any steel at the time either

[limpid rain]

Awe hell no, Im just doing this one upgrade to my coal line so I can get more automation going 😂

Im not doing any crazy big builds

[worldly nebula]

actually building all the machines are the easy part, the logistics is always the hardest

all thanks to blueprints :)

[dreamy totem]

Yeah I built a nice steel foundry recently and it was fun other than the numbers in my calculator

[worldly nebula]

use a lot of signs

i am addicted to signs

[dreamy totem]

I need to be I swear I gotta remember where everything goes

I just bought like everything possible to buy in the awesome shop

[worldly nebula]

i no joke have 1000s of signs in my current save

none of them are aethetic

aesthetic*

[dreamy totem]

I wanna have big billboards all over

Not for a reason just random funny ficsit lines

[worldly nebula]

i have plays this game every since it came out and i still cant making anything look nice :(

[limpid rain]

In terms of progression, where should I actually focus? My goal is to progress in whatever way I need to in order to eliminate converyer spsghetti all over my world.

I guess in that endevaour was to get miner mk2s, steel, and then get tractors pulling my resources to a central factory?

[dreamy totem]

I’ve kept an eye on it since it came out only recently started bc of console

[dreamy totem]

Don’t even waste time on tractors unless u really wanna trains are right up the road tbh

But it’s all preferance

[worldly nebula]

i dont trust trackers and trucks

[limpid rain]

Trains are fine too, I just dont know whats coming

[dreamy totem]

Trains and fuel gens are comeing next

[worldly nebula]

trains are intimidating at first but at some point you just gonna bite the bullet

[unique cypress]

as you should

[dreamy totem]

Really aren’t that bad till u get to having several trains on one rail lol

[limpid rain]

From research or progressing stages?

[worldly nebula]

every satisfactory veteran has some serious beef with those things

[dreamy totem]

Tier

[dreamy totem]

Because they are goofy

[limpid rain]

Ah. So now Im back to needing to automate steel 😂

[dreamy totem]

No steel is a must for sure

[worldly nebula]

i would just recommend forgetting steel cuz i am just lazy

you can just abuse alts

[dreamy totem]

Honestly go look for hard drives

[unique cypress]

unless they give them full autopilot with pathfinding, they're just objectively worse than dragging a belt or 2 instead

[dreamy totem]

There are some extremely helpful recipes

[dreamy totem]

I thought they were full autopilot?

Just make a line and forget pretty much

[unique cypress]

they drive a route you recorded. so you need to drive them there and back, perfectly

which takes way longer than just dragging a belt

[worldly nebula]

only thing that actually necessitates steel in this game is the versatile framework as it uses steam beams which is the only thing that doesn't have an alt that does not use steel

every single other thing has an alt that removes steel

[dreamy totem]

Having their own path finding would run into more problems though if u think abt it

[limpid rain]

How do I identify which part of the crash site Im dealing with? Is it just the large mangled bit in the middle, which will have a prompt to interact with or smth?

[dreamy totem]

It’s the only part that won’t allow you to deconstruct it

Just go and interact with it

[unique cypress]

the drop pod looks the same every time. so just find it once, remember how it looks and you'll know which one it is

[limpid rain]

Oooh I didnt even try to deconstruct the other bits

[worldly nebula]

you can just dismantle everything and if it wont let you dismantle then 1. that is the dropship, or 2. your inv is full

[limpid rain]

I just looted the resources on the ground like a rat and ran away 😂

[unique cypress]

you can deconstruct the drop pod too, but only after you remove the drive from it

[dreamy totem]

Even if ur invo is full you can still destroy something utll just make a box

So right quick any tips on nuclear power I’m one teir away from it?

[worldly nebula]

i stop destorying the crash site debris cuz it was filling up my inv with screws so i forgot 💀

[dreamy totem]

I’m doing everything I can to stay away from screws atp

[worldly nebula]

you dont need it at all to actually beat the game

[limpid rain]

Any easy way of locating them? Or just drop a map marker when I see them and come back later?

[unique cypress]

plan what you're gonna do with the wate before you turn anything on

[worldly nebula]

only really for 1. a flex, or 2. MEGA FACTORIES

[unique cypress]

good

[dreamy totem]

What’s ways to remove waste or move it

[worldly nebula]

and if you are doing anything for a flex or mega then yeah you are gonna want to plan absolutely everything you can

[dreamy totem]

I can’t flex too much on console ngl

[unique cypress]

you either store it in the corner of the map somewhere or process it into the next tier of fuel rod

[dreamy totem]

Do fuel rods not make waste or

Idk nothin abt nuclear yet so that’s why I’m askin

[worldly nebula]

i am turning uranium waste into plutonium, and then using some fuel rods cuz i need even more power, and then sinking the rest, the few plutonium waste i am just storing, storing will only cause a problem if you are playing for over 1 million hours

[dreamy totem]

Awesome sink won’t take waste?

I’m assuming

[worldly nebula]

it will take plutonium fuel rods

[unique cypress]

uranium rods burn into uranium waste

plutonium rods burn into plutonium waste

ficsonium rods burn without waste

plutonium rods can be put into the sink to essentially remove uranium waste. they can be used as fuel for drones too, which doesn't produce waste either

[worldly nebula]

but not waste or any other nuclear products

it can sink just straight uranium ore tho as well

[dreamy totem]

Is there a way to craft said waste into something to send it to sink

[worldly nebula]

the only reason why i cant just sink all my plutonium rods is cuz i am using almost all resources in the map and just uranium doesn't provide enough power

[unique cypress]

uranium waste can be made into plutonioum rods, plutonium waste can be made into ficsonium rods

[dreamy totem]

Ah I see

[worldly nebula]

ficsonium rods are really really expensive so i wouldn't recommend

[dreamy totem]

Also just got the hover pack and I’m inlove

[dreamy totem]

Nothings expensive when you have thousands

Just make it bigger in my eyes

[worldly nebula]

what did i just say about all the resources in the map

[dreamy totem]

😂😂

[worldly nebula]

i literally dont have enough resources to make those rods as well

[unique cypress]

so one waste-free chain is uranium -> uranium rods -> uranium waste -> plutonium rods -> plutonium waste -> ficsonium rods -> no waste

and the other is uranium -> uranium rods -> uranium waste -> plutonium rods -> sink/drones (no waste)

[worldly nebula]

think of my awesome tickets, they have feelings :(

[dreamy totem]

Copying that for future references

Nuclear just confusing at first ngl

[worldly nebula]

make sure you spent at least 100 hours reading through the production chains of nuclear power

[dreamy totem]

😭😭

Ain’t no way

[worldly nebula]

i dont make the rules, but if you are gonna go nuclear you have to go big or go home

[dreamy totem]

I wanna go big trust what I’m worried on rn is location and layout

I have no clue where tf to build this

[wind spade]

you can do small nuclear setup in a few hours

base uranium needs only a few resources

[worldly nebula]

either gold coast or whatever the name of the northern coast is, those are some prime spots

[dreamy totem]

I’ll have to do some research

How much does each plant create

[glad apex]

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @wind spade

[wind spade]

wiki is your friend

[dreamy totem]

2500 each is lovely

[worldly nebula]

got at least 1k hours logged on that wiki

[dreamy totem]

LOL

[unique cypress]

I feel like I have that much in Tools lol

[wind spade]

I definitely do

[dreamy totem]

Off topic what type are y’all are y’all the put a Christmas tree up nov 1st or wait till December for any decoration or music ?

[wind spade]

23rd december, panik, put some tree up

[dreamy totem]

😭😭 i just set mine up yesterday 😂

[worldly nebula]

i feel like a traitor, i just use the satisfactory version of the factorio tools website instead of satisfactory tools

[dreamy totem]

Aint tht lovely

[worldly nebula]

it is called factoriolab

i will not say it again or i will be crucified

[vapid gorge]

you can hurt yourself if you like

we're not your mum

[worldly nebula]

:'(

[dreamy totem]

LOL

if you’d like

Are drones good?

[worldly nebula]

yes

but only when used wisely

[dreamy totem]

How is using it wisely

[wind spade]

if you use them well, yes

(as with everything else)

[worldly nebula]

for example very very low throughput requirements but over a long range

[dreamy totem]

So u don’t just fuel them and send them on their way ?

[wind spade]

why not?

[worldly nebula]

well sure if you dont have much throughput anyway

[dreamy totem]

Wym by throughput if I don’t sound dumb asking

[wind spade]

throughput
/ˈθruːpʊt/
noun
the amount of material or items passing through a system or process.

[worldly nebula]

drones directly solve issues with train infrastructure but have decreased throughput

[dreamy totem]

So ur saying they just have less space for items for each run

[wind spade]

what issues? 🤔

[worldly nebula]

yes but are far easier to setup than trains

[vapid gorge]

an individual drone compared to 1 train car? sure
but you can always add more drones very easily

[worldly nebula]

you need to physically connect train rails to existing train rails, train interact with other trains, etc, drones just no joke no clip through everything to their destination

[unique cypress]

why lol. it's not even better

[wind spade]

but train lines also carry power, so you don't have to connect poles, and also drones can't carry you, trains can, so trains also give you transportation access

[worldly nebula]

it is far better in my opinion, i have used both for years, it has just become my personal preference, nothing overtly better or worse to be honest

[unique cypress]

to me it's unusable because the graph doesn't differentiate between recipes for the same item

also, it measures item rates in inverse meters, literally unusable

[worldly nebula]

if you already have infrastructure setup at both locations then i would use trains 99% of the time, i only use drones where either 1 or both of the locations dont have good enough infrastructure and dont need to

[worldly nebula]

you have to manually select and deselect recipe preferences

i do most of my math before going to the calculator

seems very weird

[vapid gorge]

do you telepathically choose recipes in factoriolab?

[unique cypress]

both calculators work identically in that regoard

[worldly nebula]

ill put the screenie in screenie

[wind spade]

or just... here

[unique cypress]

you can put it here lol

[vapid gorge]

you can put images in here >.>

[wind spade]

it's not even a screenshot of the game, so doesn't belong in #screenshots

[vapid gorge]

... looks like you manually selected a recipe there

unless you sent brainwaves at it

like, enjoy the planner you like, but make valid arguments at least

[unique cypress]

also, what is the point of using an automatic calculator if you're gonna do math yourself

[worldly nebula]

that is what i am saying, i manually select all my recipes

[wind spade]

you can do that in Tools as well

[vapid gorge]

yes, you do that in satisfactory tools

[worldly nebula]

mainly just use it like excel, i set it up so that pretty much all it does is change the numbers dependent on my set limits/inputs/outputs

i use tools very liberally

[vapid gorge]

look at me, manually selecting recipes

[unique cypress]

might as well use modeler at this point, gives you more customization than any online calc

[vapid gorge]

and setting the resources I want it to use

I honestly just have no clue what argument you're trying to make and am deeply curious

[worldly nebula]

i have just found it to be the fastest way for me to make changes

[vapid gorge]

I mean I guess that's an opinion. I've never used a ui, including the factorio lab one, that was more convenient to use, but that's at least partially a subjective opinion

[worldly nebula]

i honestly am probably just using satisfactory tools wrong, but i haven't been slowed down so far from using what i am using so i haven't really had a reason to go back

[vapid gorge]

jsut the stuff before was odd.

[worldly nebula]

if a tool slows me down then i change, but i haven't been slowed down yet so it just hasn't really motivated me

[vapid gorge]

fair enough.
sleep time for me though, gn

[worldly nebula]

gn

[cerulean stratus]

what do you guys think of graph theory to organize your factories?

[worldly nebula]

it has been a while since i have heard graph theory 😢

from what i remember, yes? graph theory is helpful in solving optimisation problem

[cerulean stratus]

I'm mostly trying to make my factory not spaghetti

but also easy to manifold

My ideas all revolve around the bus

having a central line where all your resources are pooled into and taken from

but then that central line gets big and/or the lines get far away

[mint coral]

bus users scare me lol Almost as much as the montrouslity known as the Resource bus

[cerulean stratus]

I think bus users have the right idea, but there's the sushi that's hard to manage, and there's the complete bus that's a big waste of space

[deft lichen]

a main bus is a terrible strategy in this game

arguably the "meta" approach is the exact opposite to that of Factorio

[unique cypress]

yeah, there's way too many intermediates for a bus to be convenient

[deft lichen]

it's a combination of factors

[mint coral]

I am full supporter of play your way ^_^ The large scale bus is not for me.

[deft lichen]

• lack of variable production
• extremely slow belt throughputs in comparison
• larger variety of parts each with few uses
• resource nodes being somewhat distributed, opposed to huge but less frequent resource patches

[cerulean stratus]

I'm not a fan of the "build it for one part" approach

[deft lichen]

play in a way that suits you

in my brief 1.1 playthrough I tried the independency approach right from tier 1 and it's hilarious having zero inter-factory logistics

everything just outputs to a depot and that's it

[unique cypress]

yeah, independency in factorio would be a terrible idea lol

[cerulean stratus]

Wouldn't the independency approach make you put everything in 1 place?

[unique cypress]

do you even know what that means?

[deft lichen]

it's somewhat doable on Vulcanus, but the entire gameplay of that planet is much closer to SF in general

[deft lichen]

you're thinking of a megafactory

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[glad apex]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[cerulean stratus]

thing is, if you have a spot with 6 different resources and you need 7, you'll just import the 7th

but now if you need different ones, and that factory already has 4, you're just going to use the same spot, and import the remaining 2

so it does incentivize centralization

[unique cypress]

yeah, I don't think you know what independency means

[cerulean stratus]

independency means you're not relying on other factories

[unique cypress]

every item is made from raw resources. without importing anything from other factories.

if you put everyting in one place, you'll run out of resources by like tier 4

[cerulean stratus]

but 1, that's boring
and 2, there's a lot of spots that don't have all the materials you need, and if you make it so it has, now that's a spot for a lot more materials

[unique cypress]

Independency can be followed all the way to the end of the game. without transporting anything more than 1 km

the only exception being maybe a nuclear plant

in fact, that's exactly what I've been doing since at least U6

[cerulean stratus]

So how do you make rcus?

[unique cypress]

in the swamp usually

[cerulean stratus]

you need bauxite and oil/coal for aluminum, and quartz for the oscillators

honestly, I'm saying this but I also don't like to run infrastructure between factories

[unique cypress]

put the factory somewhere in the middle and everything is within ~800 m

[cerulean stratus]

but independency isn't just between factories
it's also within the factory

[tepid marlin]

Independency sounds like a bad idea with some resources tbh

I can't imagine making a hmf factory 4 separate times

[unique cypress]

same here

[unique cypress]

that's exactly what I've been doing for years. I don't see any issue with that, especially because each one is small compared to 1 massive one would be.

plus I'm never wasting effort overproducing them

[cerulean stratus]

you're still making the same number of components

[deft lichen]

it blends into the material requirements of the target product you're making

also, you can totally just make exceptions

[cerulean stratus]

the you have to put more belts when you're doing it all again

[deft lichen]

I tend to centralize rubber/plastic instead of making it on site, because the recycled loop is kinda annoying to build

[unique cypress]

I used to do this, but realised doing it again at a small scale is faster than transporting it from kilometers away. once you know how to build it correctly, it's basically the same as any other chain

[deft lichen]

yeah this is just personal preference really

[tepid marlin]

Oil products and aluminium also seem to benefit a lot from centralizing due to relative complexity

[deft lichen]

I guess I like my "oil rig"

[deft lichen]

yeah, aluminum is another such case

you can centralize the ingots and then make casings/sheets as needed

[cerulean stratus]

yeah aluminum casing has pretty high compression rate too

a stack of casing can be equivalent to 3 stacks of ingots

so it's made for transports

[unique cypress]

eh, I usually transport ingots regardless. because heat-fused frame takes ingots and then it's just one train instead of more (1 for ingots, 1 for casings, and possibly one for sheets)

and then it's 1:1 from bauxite, so the choice between transporting ingots vs bauxite is basically whether it's easier to get oil at the bauxite nodes or at the main factory site

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thanks

[crimson moat]

pro pipe tip for NPP's

clock them to consume 200 or 300 or 600 water, and put 1 pipe to 1 or 2 or 3 gens. Should work with or without a manifold

do not do 240/ea (100% clock). It is a demon and will eat your firstborn child

[unique cypress]

tbf 240/min is 2 extractors at 100%

[crimson moat]

yeah but placing the extractors is the easy part, if you do 100% extractors and 2:1 them into npp's then 240 works. I'l call that the exception

300 is one extractor at 250%, and 600 is 1 pipe

[crimson moat]

Did quick test just now on the big factory, and CPU/interconnect/mem OC gave >=+47% performance vs OOTB stock perf. Definitely insane scaling on this game.

Open ended number because i couldn't measure it; the OOTB config had 65% GPU load, but the OC config was so much faster than it became GPU bound on my test. I have to tweak it a bit so that neither is.

need to iron out a best performing config for it and compare best spec perf to best oc perf

[cerulean stratus]

uhm, how many parts different parts that you'd want to store are there?

50?

[unique cypress]

building parts? more like 40

including consumable equipment, possibly close to 50

[steel knot]

Someone’s organizing central storage…

Or setting Mercer sphere goals. Or both

[limpid rain]

Is there a place here to get help with a crash log?

[unique cypress]

#1038092680493801533

[shadow sinew]

Generally, which resources run out first? I know back before 1.0 limestone was the leftover, but I'm thinking if I should do as much of my steel as I can with Iron Pipes, and as much of my wiring as possible with Iron wire, plus whether make basic iron or just normal iron

[wind spade]

practically none. In most saves you're not limited by resources

[unique cypress]

SAM and Bauxite, then possibly caterium, quartz, sulfur and nitroge, depending on what you're making

but yeah, you do have to try to run out of anything

[wind spade]

most of the times when you run out of something, it's because your previous project was "max out this resource"

[shadow sinew]

Ig I'll do the iron only steel so that I can devote coal to diamons

[unique cypress]

you can't make steel out of only iron lol

you can make iron pipes

[shadow sinew]

Yeah ik, but you can use them for encased beams, so most stuff can be made I think

[oblique hollow]

diamonds arent used that much and coal isnt the only thing you can use to make diamonds

[unique cypress]

yeah, almost everyting can be made from pipes.

[mint coral]

Especially skate parks

[sonic jasper]

What recipe should I use for ficsite ingots (iron/aluminium/caterium)

[outer vale]

depends how much you value SAM vs the other resources and what you have available nearby (which may affect that valuation)

eg aluminium gets you more ficsite per SAM but obviously is much more complex than iron ingots

as with almost every recipe choice there's no single best answer

[sonic jasper]

word, ill prob do caterium. Im already using quite a bit of aluminium

[wind spade]

as with almost every recipe choice

[shadow sinew]

So, how insane would it be to set myself the challenge of doing 5 ballistic computer per minute (pre summerloots)?, seem like that´s a bit less than 20-25% of the maximum possible

[deep fulcrum]

What amount of Reinforced Iron Plate, Modular Frame and Rotor per minute sets you up fairly well for the whole game? Just those things alone, not anything else that can be made from them such as Smart Plating

[shadow sinew]

maybe that´s too crazy xd

[wind spade]

max possible is ~73/min (with conversions)

[unique cypress]

max BWDs without sloops is 73/min. so 5 is far less than 20%

[oblique hollow]

enough to get some to trinkle into storage
1 - 2 assemblers worth of them maybe?

You gotta decide how much effort you wanna invest there

[wind spade]

without conversions, max BWDs are 72.5/min ish

[oblique hollow]

I typically start with making a whole bunch of reinforced plates

[shadow sinew]

I meant before adding the infinity signs, so prob 10, and yeah, you can prob boost the imputs too

[wind spade]

yeah the 73/min is before sloops

[shadow sinew]

wait really?, then ig the production planner is messing up, it´s giving 21.535 as max using all the map resources

[wind spade]

which planner are you using?

[shadow sinew]

satisfactory tools, it is using the standard recipes, maybe with alts its much better

[wind spade]

oh yeah enable alts, they will help you 🙂

[shadow sinew]

oh yeah, that was the issue xd

[unique cypress]

the max without alts is generally much lower than the max. no point in calling it a max, even

[shadow sinew]

k, but, would 10 ballistics per minute be good pace for the nut?

[oblique hollow]

well the cost of coupons does scale hard...

[unique cypress]

that'd be like 1 coupon per min by the end? or thereabouts

[wind spade]

I mean in the end you're the only one who can answer that question 🙂

[unique cypress]

depends how many you printed so far

[shadow sinew]

ok yeah, that´s pretty good, might still try a bit more if I can

surprisingly enough Bauxite is the limiting factor xd, rn I´m swimming in aluminum, but ig it´s just that I focused it

[unique cypress]

it's usually either that or SAM when you're making endgame parts

[shadow sinew]

well, it runs out of bauxite, and then it runs out of SAM turning caeterium into Bauxite

[oblique hollow]

turn caterium to bauxite with sloops

[deep fulcrum]

What amount of Reinforced Iron Plate, Modular Frame and Rotor per minute sets you up fairly well for the whole game? Just those things alone, not anything else that can be made from them such as Smart Plating

[wind spade]

why ask the same question again, especially when it's already been answered? (and also has very subjective answer anyway)

[deep fulcrum]

My apologies, I didn't see it being answered

[crystal wave]

if i have 8 coal input conveyors and i wanna make comp coal how would i do that with a manifold
its gonna be compact asf
but look nice

[floral mica]

what I did is underclocked assemblers to 20/min, split off 60/min at intervals from belts using mk1 conveyors, split that in 3 and fed assemblers

[crystal wave]

i do not understand half the things u said

i been building a warehouse and not actually making factories

and im in phase 2

at 600 hours

[floral mica]

Do you know what hybrid manifolds are?

[unique cypress]

? 8 manifolds, each connected to machines consuming the amount of coal you have on each belt?

I'm sorry but without more details, that's the best advice I can give

[wind spade]

hook each belt to the amount of machines it can feed

[crystal wave]

its halfway done would this work

[marsh cairn]

That looks really crazy

[crystal wave]

why

[marsh cairn]

the way you stacked the constructors

[unkempt wharf]

how would i go about feeding the 225 into the constructors (i only have mk2)

[wind spade]

feed each belt into the amount of constructors it can feed

[vapid gorge]

break it down into at least 2 groups

[unkempt wharf]

its weird tho since a full belt feeds 9.6 constructors

cuz its 12.5 per constructor

[vapid gorge]

how is that weird?

[wind spade]

then hook it to that?

[unkempt wharf]

the belts will have leftovers

[wind spade]

no?

[vapid gorge]

clock your machines

[wind spade]

hook it to machines that consume it fully

[unkempt wharf]

wait

i see now

ty

[dawn beacon]

Why do you always talk in questions lol

[steel knot]

why do my machines sometimes sit idle with completely full inputs and completely clear outputs?

i just caught a computer assembler doing it

in fact, all of these assemblers have fully stocked inputs and yet hum at 85%

[vapid gorge]

1. efficiency meters are balls, don't trust them
2. you might be wearing a hoverpack

[steel knot]

hmm would that cause this to idle?

ive never noticed the effect of the hover pack

ohhhhhhh interesting. persisting bug from years ago

i have a power switch and a hoverpack. when i switch from one grid to the other, it pauses all the machines. well that makes troubleshooting maddening

[vapid gorge]

the hover pack issue won't cause issues for people.

unles you're doing extremely fancy things or using quite unstable methods of reusing byproducts

[steel knot]

it's a power grid issue

when you switch grids, all machines on the grid shut off for a 2 seconds or so

so in my case, my rail line is on the main grid and every station/factory is on its own

[vapid gorge]

yup. But like I said, it'll cause almost no one actual problems with the system, it'll stabalise quick again

[steel knot]

oh right. but that's why i was saying it's maddening: i was troubleshooting an efficiency issue and wondered why things were idling

literally schrodinger's manufacturer

[vapid gorge]

xD fair, but if you're looking at efficiency, look at the lights for a little bit. It'll be more accurate. If the machines say 100% ? it's probably 100%
if they say 98%? its also possibly 100%.

[pseudo crown]

this seemed apropriate to ask here. what is this program

[dusky dust]

Satisfactory Modeler, available on Steam

[pseudo crown]

many thanks

[dusky dust]

People who use it for planning seem to enjoy it, though for factory solving I'd recommend https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

Though the two have pretty different use-cases

[pseudo crown]

yeah I knew the site

this one just has a nicer... vibe to it?

cuz as in screenshots shows. I dont know what im doing

[vapid gorge]

that doesn't really make sense, but sure

[knotty hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/small-lord-of-the-rings-treebeard-lotr-doesn't-make-sense-gif-16412631467485161581

[frigid sandal]

is nitro rocket fuel or normal rocket fuel better?

[worldly nebula]

depends on what resource is more scarce to you

generally normal rocket fuel is better in most circumstances

[digital wing]

Crater lake was made for nitro rocket fuel

[vapid gorge]

like all recipe choices, it depends on you

look at what resources each use

[gray flower]

WAIT GIFS WORK HERE?

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-cant-wait-impatient-anxious-eagerly-gif-15247947

[worldly nebula]

crater lake was made for the smog, that thing is the most polluted place in the game

[digital wing]

Um pls dont disrespect the crater lake

If you colonise it enough the smog is a non issue ngl

[worldly nebula]

i built over the void at the waterfall this time so i can still see the beauty of the lake

[knotty hornet]

Let's not abuse it, lest we lose it

[gray flower]

yup

[knotty hornet]

Smaug is always an issue 🧙‍♂️

[worldly nebula]

i swear that guy has been stealing my pressure conversion cubes

[knotty hornet]

He wants all the Caterium

[frigid sandal]

why is crater lake good for nitro rocket?

[vapid gorge]

has resources for it

[worldly nebula]

good for any fuel powerplant honestly

there is 2550 crude in just that lake so even without the coal and sulfur it is good

[frigid sandal]

why not use normal rocket fuel in crater?

[vapid gorge]

up to you - Like I said, it depends on what resources you want to use for what.
the chains use different resources

also depends how much you want.

[frigid sandal]

ik but why do you prefer nitro in the lake

[vapid gorge]

you asked "is nitro rocket fuel or normal rocket fuel better?"

that's the wrong question, which is better for you and your goals is the question you want.

we don't know

what you want to build
how much
what else you want to build
how you like to move items.

so up to you to decide

[vapid gorge]

oh I don't.

I think rocket fuel for power is stupid

but it's an option

[worldly nebula]

FINALLY

i agree

[frigid sandal]

ight thanks

[vapid gorge]

For a reasonablly beefy, not even a HECKING beefy power system, you'd probably want at least 600 fully overclocked fuel gens

I'd rather just build 60 nuclear gens to do the same thing.

[frigid sandal]

yeah its alot of gens

2.4k gens for 11k rocket fuel

[vapid gorge]

but it is an option. Some people are scared of the nuclear chain. Even though it's just a more smaller steps.

and the base nuclear recipes are very simple

[vapid gorge]

yeah I really wish devs hadn't uped the fuel consumption rate and power output of fuel gens. Just for real pain to be put on rocket fuel gens

or just made RF not generator friendly.

[frigid sandal]

i chose rocket fuel for now cuz of its resource/net power ratio

[vapid gorge]

I mean up to you, but uranium is effectively a trash resource with no use if not used for nuclear.

can do lots of things with all the resources in rocket fuel

[worldly nebula]

in my current save i wanted to see just how ridiculous the new fuel gen buff was and just used all the crude in the lake and used just the diluted fuel recipe and managed to make >150GW with just normal fuel, i dont understand why they needed to buff it

[vapid gorge]

because people were complaining about how many gens you needed I guess? theres a lot of small groups of complainers

[worldly nebula]

do people not power shard their gens?

[vapid gorge]

I mean, even fully sharded, with the buff, you need an absolute assload of fuel gens

and they outpout like 66% more than the old ones

[worldly nebula]

bruh i could say the same about my literal 1000s of refineries

[vapid gorge]

It's why I don't use pure recipes 😛

[worldly nebula]

i left myself no choice, i have to :(

[vapid gorge]

basically can't use all the resources on the map anyway. Might as well just import a bit more

[worldly nebula]

it was either i use all the iron in the rocky desert and use pure recipes, or have to import all the iron from another biome

i just decided to build all the factories on the coasts of the rocky desert and in the small lakes so that the water was directly undernearth for me to drink

[vapid gorge]

You wouldn't need to import that much if you used copper alloy

[worldly nebula]

i was using all the copper for something else

[vapid gorge]

import a bit of copper 😛

[worldly nebula]

i am already struggling to import enough copper to use in copper products anyway :(

i was going to actually straight up build to get the maximum amount of points per sec but i am not that psychotic, now i am only gonna do like 75% of that

i can barely sleep at night as it is

[unique cypress]

That's still basically the max, but with machines at 250% instead of 1%.

[vapid gorge]

I hope you've outsourced your cpu to a super computer at a university

[worldly nebula]

i am trying to get to like 75% of the max points listed in the 250% clockspeed version on the wiki

[worldly nebula]

my cpu cost 50 buck when i bought it like 7 years ago

it was on clearance 💀

[unique cypress]

It's technically doable, probably. The game should be able to handle ~10k ish machines, at least if they're not all in one spot

[vapid gorge]

aim for 20%

[unique cypress]

But idk if it will on a 7 yo CPU

[worldly nebula]

it is definitely doable i am already well on my way

it is laggy but not unplayable laggy

my factories are very spread out accross the map

[unique cypress]

Yeah, I played for 100+ hours at 10-20 FPS in U6. For building, it's definitely "playable"

[worldly nebula]

the laggest place is my main base where i have just shipped (relatively) low amount of resources for making depot parts

the actual mega factories are far less laggy suprisingly

after this week ill get back into the grind

[limpid rain]

Both of these seem kinda... meh?

[worldly nebula]

molded steel pipe can be good if you dont have the iron pipe recipe or dont have enough iron

[limpid rain]

imean the base recipe is 3 steel ingots to 2 pipes... so im adding 2 more steel and 3 concrete, to bring the efficiency of steel ingots to steel pipes 1:1?

and alternatively... wire 😂

[worldly nebula]

the default recipe uses 50% more steel than the alternate molded steel pipe recipe

[worldly nebula]

yeah no that is just bad lmao

[frosty owl]

Also a bit of a faster output (ie: less machines for the same Pipes/min)

[limpid rain]

rip I went for the reroll and it got so much worse 😂

Who wants MORE WIRE

[worldly nebula]

the rerolls be doing that :(

steeled frame is actually good tho

[limpid rain]

oh wait is that not the same frame ive been using for tractors n stuff?

[worldly nebula]

it is

[frosty owl]

People who like to use recipes involving Wire :P
It's kinda like "screws MK2", they have their pros and cons, usually the cons are about logistics (500-stack, big volumes needed)

[limpid rain]

so i can turn a bunch of steel into the frames I could previously make with entirely iron?

[frosty owl]

Cuts down on RIP production quite substantially too

[limpid rain]

RIP?

[frosty owl]

Reinforced Iron Plates

[worldly nebula]

there is an iron pipe recipe that makes steel pipes entirely from just iron ingots

[limpid rain]

Ah

[worldly nebula]

that is when you want to use the steeled frame recipe

[limpid rain]

Sounds delicious

Is it worth spending the hard drive on this to push the next 2 nodes? or should I cope on the recipes?

[frosty owl]

It's terrible in efficiency, but it does cut out one input item (coal/Steel) ^^

[worldly nebula]

with alts you can remove steel ingots entirely from your production chains except for making versatile frameworks which NEED steel beams which NEED steel ingots

[frosty owl]

Personally, I prefer the ones who cut out iron and use Steel instead ahah
The latter ones (like Steel Coated Plates) tend to have the highest outputs (ie: smallest amount of machines needed per output/min)

[worldly nebula]

but yeah i agree, if you have the coal, use it

[worldly nebula]

i need the coal for time crystals :(

[frosty owl]

Heh. That's when I put to use all those unused Oil nodes I usually have :P
I just like "dragging around" pipes more than belts, so I have a slight preference for fluid diamonds over solid diamonds

[worldly nebula]

not enough oil to do that unfortunately

the best option i have is to use 40000 coal

[limpid rain]

Is there a way to make a permenant, manually operated switch for a splitter?

or a Y-junction for items?

[worldly nebula]

wdym by Y-junction

cuz you can have 1 input 2 outputs in spliters anyway

[frosty owl]

Plenty. I don't recall what's the simplest though...

[limpid rain]

items in -> -> { === press input of some description to pick top path or bottom

[worldly nebula]

what would be the context that this would be used in

[frosty owl]

Eg: using a power-switch activated Packager, whose output can activate an "and" gate, thus allowing flow of items on another belt (the other "and" input)

BTW, logic gates are a thing in Satisfactory...

[limpid rain]

I have a limestone supply line that I rarely make use of. When I am taking concrete, I could flip the switch to on, and the limestone would go to my concrete assembly. When I am capped out on concrete, I could flip the switch back off, and have the limestone feeding into the awesome shop ticket thing

[worldly nebula]

anything is turing complete if you try hard enough

[limpid rain]

If I could do such a thing, I might make it a universal toggle for a bunch of my lines tbh

[crimson moat]

That functionality is built into the smart splitter, you don't need a logic gate or manual intervention

[frosty owl]

... Just let the concrete back up, so production and input items (ie: Limestone) back up too in the same rhythm...?

[worldly nebula]

i was gonna say just have preset smart splittlers directly next to it with different configs and then copy paste the desired config onto the actual splitter but i do like the other guy's idea of having a packager connected to a switch it just sounds really cool

[limpid rain]

Oh I havent unlocked those yet 😂 Good to know its coming, its been bugging me

[frosty owl]

The simplest approach isn't always the most fun

[worldly nebula]

oh so you legit just want to change outputs

[orchid rock]

Might sound dumb but how do I split these (I’m new and don’t really know all the techniques)

[worldly nebula]

yeah just normal smart splitters will do that

[worldly nebula]

if sounds really stupid it is usually the more fun approach

[frosty owl]

Being new is one of the reasons I give to not use production planners 😉
If you just follow the game and its tutorials, it should be obvious that a single splitter can achieve that (though there are more complex ways to go about it)

[worldly nebula]

i 100% agree, when i first started i never used production planners and only started using them when i already had a very good idea of how a system worked

[frosty owl]

Ie: don't use a calculator while someone (the game) is trying to teach you basic math (how to make basic production lines)

[worldly nebula]

short answer is that you dont need to balance the outputs, it can simply just overflow

[orchid rock]

Ohh alright makes sense, before playing the game I watched some vids and so many people suggested to use planners but yeah I understand where you’re both coming from and honestly sounds better

[frosty owl]

"Better" is subjective, I just hope you now have the info to choose well what approach is better for you :)

[orchid rock]

Hahah yes thank you

[limpid rain]

How much coal does a single generator use?

I may have done math horrible wrong 😂

[unique cypress]

Steeled frame is amazing though

[frosty owl]

15 Coal/min iirc
Their UI lists Fuel usage for all Fuels you've unlocked

[frosty owl]

Big plans, huh? ^^
(Sorry for jumping back like this, I lacked the time to comment before ahah)

[worldly nebula]

1970 time crystals

1720 of them go towards making 3440 dark matter crystals

i am putting off doing this cuz i know it will be pain

[dreamy totem]

How is everyone today

[worldly nebula]

procrastinating

[dreamy totem]

For what reason

[worldly nebula]

exam tomorros

tomorrow*

[dreamy totem]

Ah what subject

[worldly nebula]

its an easy one

the paper is called networks and internet

[dreamy totem]

😭😭 imagine

[worldly nebula]

i was gonna describe it but the name is very self explanatory

[dreamy totem]

Yeah seems so

I’m debating on hopping on satisfactory before work

But then imma get into a project having to leave midway through so I’m unsure

[worldly nebula]

i used to be so cooked that i played satisfactory after work so that i could distract myself from thinking about work, then i wouldn't be able to sleep cuz i was thinking about satisfactory

[dreamy totem]

Literally what happend to me yesterday at work

I had to leave early because I had gotten no sleep due to satisfactory

And I run big machinery and weld so if I’m tired and incapable of doing those things then there’s no reason for me to stay at work lol

[shadow sinew]

Finally finished my max rubber and plastic refinery, was a bit overkill for now, and it´s threatening to kill my power grid, but it´s ok xd

I needed the rubber for supercomputers and now that I´ll get nuclear power I´ll make sure to never blackout again

[limpid rain]

🙏 Finally, a good amount of coal power

Now to wait for it to prime and then turn it on and see what breaks 😂

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[unique cypress]

It's possible to have 4 orders of magnitude more power than this

This is far from unlimited lol

[limpid rain]

I know, it was a joke 😂 Especially given waht the guy immediately before me built

[digital wing]

With gasses, do i need to worry about flow rate and headlift?

Surely not right

[wind spade]

no, gasses don't care about headlift

flow rate you need to worry about always

[oblique hollow]

The entire point of pipes is that you worry about flow rate
Same as with belts where you worry about throughput

Liquids just have that extra height thing

Gasses still flow but they arent affected by gravity

[digital wing]

I have packaged turbo fuel going into this drone port, but its not showing up in its inventoy?

[oblique hollow]

Because it instantly enters the drone

Hover over the drone itself with dismantle tool

And you will see the turbofuel

[digital wing]

Oh right

So it has its own inventory which fills before the ports?

[unique cypress]

Yeah, a drone holds 9 stacks

[digital wing]

Does fuel get put in automatically if it goes to the drone

[unique cypress]

To fuel the drone, you need to connect the fuel to the fuel port. It doesn't take fuel from the cargo

[digital wing]

So how can i fuel it with another drone?

Do i need to make a port right next it it which feeds into the actual drone port?

[oblique hollow]

Thats the usual strat

[vapid gorge]

have a dedicated fuel drone to fuel other ports

[digital wing]

I do

[vapid gorge]

sounds good though

[digital wing]

I have one in my turbofuel factory taking packaged turbo fuel to other drones

So it has to take it to a drone port which feeds into the actually functioning one

[unique cypress]

Yeah, from every group of ports carrying something other than fuel, you need another port for a drone to pick up fuel. Then you just distribute it with belts from the fuel port to the others

[digital wing]

Ok cool

Thanks!

[frosty owl]

Why not go for turbo diamonds?

[digital wing]

Why does my fuel feeding port not output the fuel into the fuel hole of the left one?

[worldly nebula]

turbo diamonds uses coal

i am using turbo diamonds

[digital wing]

I was being dumb and put the fuel in the wrong slot

[limpid rain]

At what point is it worth switching from "just slam down more foundations and run another conveyer, itll be fine" to "this is not fine, send thots and prayers, we are rebuilding"?

[wind spade]

never, build new, keep old

[limpid rain]

I meant like when do people clean things up normally? Ive kinda just been ever expanding from my tutorial point. That hub in the bottom right hasnt moved since it was placed in the first 10 minutes. Everything else is kinda just "oh hey, tutorial said iron... diggy. Oh hey, tutorial said copper, diggy diggy. Oh hey, next tier upgrade says reinforced plates, slam another 50 foundations in the sky to make room for a youtube guide on mass producing those" 😂

[worldly nebula]

i personally just build complete standalone buildings instead of paving a whole biome

[wind spade]

some people don't clean it at all, some rebuild it all the time. I personally suggest the first approach - even badly built factory still makes items

[limpid rain]

How do you manage the belt/pipe network without foundation snapping?

[worldly nebula]

i have a few buildings that are no longer in use are just sit there, but they are not in the way of anything so i there is no need to dismantle

[worldly nebula]

i build everything on foundations still but there is terrain seperating seperate buildings

if i want buildings to lineup i can snap to the world grid, it is either i think hold shift or ctrl whilst holding a foundation to snap to the world grid

[worldly nebula]

yeah that is the approach i take

makes your life a lot more bearable

[worldly nebula]

also whenever belts and pipes are on the terrain i just use the new cool curve build mode, it makes it look less terrible than default build mode

[frosty owl]

I thought you were using just Coal xD

Manifold Vs Balancer funfact (specific to Power Generators or, in general, buildings that can use different items without needing to manually change their recipe):
If the system has more than one kind of Fuel as input (eg: Coal and Coke for Coal gens or Biofuel and Packaged Liquid Biofuel for biomass burners...), the order of "which input method reaches 100% faster" becomes:

1. Balancer (balancing the sushi or individual items, same effect)
2. Normal manifold
3. Smart manifold/sushifold

Normally, (2) wouldn't even be considered with a sushi input, but when machines allow for different inputs (like Generators do) normal manifolds have a significant advantage over smart manifolds (item+overflow) as the individual machines don't need to buffer a full stack before items start backing up on the belts behind them (each machine will have max ~10 items buffered inside), making them warm up almost as fast as a balancer

People I think might find this amusing: @wind spade @unique cypress @oblique hollow @quick gorge @crimson moat

[digital wing]

i can have 2 drones coming to the same port with different items right?

[quick gorge]

Hell yeah more points for ma MOX

[steel knot]

Silly question I can’t try out because I told myself I wouldn’t log in during work. If I set a schedule that has the same station twice in a row, does the train leave and then loop back into the station? Or stay put

[steel knot]

hmm can't have the same station twice in a row even if it has different load/unload parameters. need an intermediate stop

was experimenting with ways to prioritize certain dropoffs in multi item cars

[unique cypress]

Math doesn't math here. How does 15 uranium rods become 15 plutonium rods without recipe mixing?

Oh, you forgot about non-fissile, that's why

[cerulean stratus]

I am once again struggling to make no spaghetti in this game

[mint coral]

I loaded my first save (update 7) last night. There was so much spaghetti it hurt

My power plant was under water

[dusky dust]

Staying nice and cool, then!

[mint coral]

Tbh im suprised it loaded at all

[dusky dust]

Technically you can still load saves from the literal earliest public release of the game

Though recipe+building changes mean that factories that old are super unlikely to still work, and map changes are likely to mean you've got at least bits of factories underground or floating in the air. :P

But the save will still load, and you can technically go fix things

[mint coral]

I never want to see that mess i made again

[cerulean stratus]

The spaghetti is just part of the game

But honestly, people say that but don't really have ways to deal with it

[mint coral]

This seasons save is 6weeks old now with no spaghetti. But I've been planning before building and not expanding factories. I just build all new buildings when needed

[cerulean stratus]

Can I see?

[mint coral]

Ill see what I can find. Im at work lol

[mint coral]

Here is my power plant. I need to decorate still

[cerulean stratus]

There's nothing more beautiful to me than an easy to understand factory

[mint coral]

The over head shot let's you see my 8 oil refineries and 16 blenders turn 600 oil into 140gw of power

[mint coral]

The rest is 240 refineries and the underside is biproduct production. 1600min steel ingots

[opaque token]

dam guys i think i found the perfect Cooling Systems factory spot

[dusky dust]

is it MASSAGE-2(A-B)b?

[opaque token]

top right left corner

• nitrogen
• coal
• iron
• copper

so by using the Cooling Device one you just have to supply heat sinks

[opaque token]

no, it's MESSAGE 3(C+D)a

:(

[mint coral]

No its MASSAGE DZ 🥜

[mint coral]

Im building my phase 5 factory near there

[opaque token]

bet

[limpid rain]

Can terrain be moved/removed? I've greatly enjoyed the joke of "Phallic Slug Rock, the ultimate powersource for my factory", but its in the way now 😂

[mint coral]

Unfortunately the phallus maximus stays

[limpid rain]

Amazing

[mint coral]

Biggest dickus if you will

[bold jackal]

looking like un part of Shit

[uneven void]

can the blueprint take stuff from my dim depot

[opal temple]

Yes

[worldly nebula]

that is exactly what i first thought when i saw that number. thought i forgot to select the turbo diamond recipe. but tbh it is still pretty much only coal cuz i need 40k coal but only 2.6k packaged turbofuel to make the required 3940 diamonds

[sonic jasper]

can you break these?

[worldly nebula]

yes

[sonic jasper]

how

[dusky bronze]

explosives at the base

[sonic jasper]

got it, ty

[dusky bronze]

nobelisks work the best, explosive rebar doesnt work all the time in my experience

[worldly nebula]

still remember the day when they allowed us to break the smelly rocks with explosives

times before were very dark

nobelisks used to not really be able to break anything

[mint coral]

I like to think they smell like fried chicken

[worldly nebula]

so it is canon that the pioneer is deathly allergic to fried chicken?

since this is the math and meta channel i thought i might as well show my current plans

https://factoriolab.github.io/sfy/list?z=eJxFkE1PAkEQRP.NHF4i2V3AxMNcumeURD4EQlRuiosiDugkCnro3-6CGi.dVa8qfeit1xZlUbit14rOcRe.QFZUVatzQCdUR3LVRK72hMNQl33sQwFVtziYm8a45HuU.LDkm5zjveTH.3LyJ1f1vql.0Xar-9r3XG68EDinx4iFLVnZmleyvbPj05omp5whikTkEhmYDJExMkVmyDUyN7lDapMlkkw2yJtJRvZIC1V0gI7QMTpFZ6bX6Nz0Dl2gz2hC30wzukML0xJto11CtHBBWFp4JLwQNha2hGxhTygslMSBxSHx1uKceG.xgfhEXLv0mn3pUsq-Z30b28SlOnt1abvwhx99-LL8BuPqauE_&v=11

there are some items that are shown as excluded due to the fact that they are 100% complete already but there are a lot that aren't excluded cuz they arent quite yet 100% done

if i dont take another long break i predict i will be done sometime in late january if i dont get too bogged down with work

this plan doesn't include any raw material conversions but i will be using some of the world's (now very little) remaining SAM to patch up some minor deficits when needed

planned to be sunk
100 ballistic warp drive - 289,533,400
100 ai expansion - 59,765,200
40 biochem sculptor - 12,071,120
10 nuclear pasta - 5,389,760
12.4 plutonium rod - 1,899,481.6
= 368,658,961.6 points/min

the 250% building clockspeed max theoretical is 463,281,465 but i wanted 20 singularity cells for 10 portals to be online 24/7 and wanted at least 10 surplus nuclear pasta and biochem sculpter so i would have produced at least 10 of each space elevator part

so my custom version is only going to be producing ~79.6% of the max

[dusky bronze]

praying your computer survives

[worldly nebula]

i have already built plenty of mega factories around the map, the laggest part in my world is my main base that just makes every item, but all my actual mega bases are smaller and spread out so as long as i dont put everything in one place i should be fine

also why i am fully overclocking everything

synthetic power shards ftw

[wind spade]

(fyi the term "megabase" or "megafactory" is usually defined as "all production in single place", so with that definition you can't have more than one megafactory 🙂 )

[worldly nebula]

oh lmao then i have been using the term wrong all the time

[wind spade]

"megafactory" is often seen as opposite of "outposting", aka "build centralised" vs "spread your factories"

[worldly nebula]

it would be a logistical nightmare to build any of my play centralised, i have to spread out everything across the map

[wind spade]

yeah that's usually the recommended approach to Satis

[worldly nebula]

but damn bro i cant believe i have been using the term wrong this entire time

[wind spade]

happens often (and you're not alone in this)

doesn't help that many streamers misuse the term (and many else, e.g. "bus")

[worldly nebula]

i have only centralised stuff for main base to make (relatively) small quantities of high tier items for depot

but anything that is produced in large scale i never do centralised

but i cant even say that my main base is fully centralised cuz i still process my oil into rubber and plastic etc before, same with quartz

[whole heron]

Are there any obvious downsides or things to look out for if you decide to fuel drones with nuclear rods?

[worldly nebula]

the main obvious is radiation but as long as you have filter production that isnt really an issue

afaik that is it

[bright juniper]

are screws really necessary or can you match the efficiency with alternates?

[worldly nebula]

and also possible consumption issues that could arise over trying to balance them over multiple drones

[wind spade]

that depends on what do you mean by "efficiency"

[worldly nebula]

you can completely remove screws from production lines if you want

[bright juniper]

resource efficient

[wind spade]

which resource? 🙂

[worldly nebula]

i just dont use screws cuz i have a vendetta against them

[dusky dust]

I think by at least some measures the screwless alts end up being more ore-efficient, though it presumably depends on what resources you value more

[wind spade]

you can fully skip screws if you want (apart from a few unlocks and awesome shop, which requires screws directly)

however you should consider each recipe separately and see if the other recipe is better or worse for your liking

[dusky dust]

As has been mentioned, you can remove screws entirely from your factory lines if you want, though

[bright juniper]

ore presumably?

[worldly nebula]

and the resource you value more depends on like 10 different things

[wind spade]

which one? how do you value them against each other, e.g. is one copper worth more or less than two iron? etc.

[wind spade]

fyi, if using the weighted resources from wiki/Tools, copper rotor is the only screw-including recipe that is picked as most weighted-resource-efficient (if all alts are selected). However reduced selection of alts can lead to other screw recipes to be included in the build

[whole heron]

Ugh, that's the 52 screws one.

[wind spade]

the number per craft is practically irrelevant

[bright juniper]

fair

and I'm still not sure where I want to take this world

[whole heron]

I just don't like that number outside of weeks of the year, cards in a deck, and that comic book series.

It's 2^2 * 13.

[worldly nebula]

for me it is a personal preference, the less variables i am have to work with the faster i am able to make decisions, when it comes to screws, there may be some advantages to including them but those advantages for me at least are not significant enough for me to consider adding as an additional variable

[whole heron]

Also it matters where you build the factory and if you value the effort to connect to a copper source over a purely steel factory.

[worldly nebula]

in an ideal world i wouldnt have to deal with wire and quickwire as well but we live in a very cruel world

[wind spade]

some points for your consideration:

• you rarely run out of any resource, unless you specifically use all of the resource, so for most cases you don't really care about saving resources that much
• all alt recipes are useful for something, usually the player should decide themselves which recipes to use (plural, as recipes often do different things when combined together, you should never look at a single recipe or single step in vacuum)
• pretty much everything in Satisfactory is infinite and/or refunded on dismantle, so you never lose anything and never get locked away from options. So feel free to experiment with anything you want to try, and (this is personal recommendation) don't ask that much about "how should I play" (which is basically what you're asking here). Any approach is valid if you're having fun

[whole heron]

Optimizing to maximize lag is a valid approach if you are a Youtuber with millions of subscribers.

[wind spade]

my personal recommendation:
don't get rid of screws just because, you can obviously end up with screwless recipes, but there should be a reason you're using those, and not just "I hate screws" (fyi screws are perfectly fine and practically have nothing bad with them, apart from bad reputation for some reason)

[dusky dust]

In case you hadn't heard this advice already, btw: the best way to deal with high-volume items like screws/wire/quickwire is often to produce them directly in front of the machine which needs them

So like you have something that needs 40/min screws? Have a dedicated building in front of it which makes exactly 40/min screws

Not everything has to be a manifold, etc

For screws in particular, people often like Steel Screws for that kind of thing, but approaches vary

[whole heron]

Or you can use small manifolds if the ratios don't work out the way you'd like.

[dusky dust]

I'll often end up blueprinting the 1:1 screws setups for things I realize I'll be building frequently

[worldly nebula]

my reason is purely due to the fact that i can completely ignore a completely different intermediate part and substitute it with another, i prefer using recipes that are as similar to each other as possible, one of the main things i like to do in factory games is trying to eliminate or substitute anything that doesn't provide a substantual upside

[wind spade]

I'd argue that some of the screw-including recipes are very simple, but you do you

[worldly nebula]

i agree they are

if i could completely remove wire and quickwire i would do that as well

but i cant

[unique cypress]

or you can be like me and use a 20:20 balancer for QW

[worldly nebula]

for me it just makes my life easier to practically remove 1 resource from the game

i already have to deal with wire and quickwire throughput issues so i dont have any desire to deal with screws

[wind spade]

well, throughput issues are self-inflicted

as said above, make the materials in front of machines that need the materials

[worldly nebula]

that works completely fine until you are making things at significant scale

[dusky dust]

(I'd argue that my suggestion works best when it's at scale. :). But indeed, play however you like!)

[wind spade]

that works fine all the time, especially at scale

[worldly nebula]

yeah i already do that with the wire and quickwire

[bright juniper]

ye I'm planning on using every resources in this playthrough, just not sure for what

[wind spade]

then also another point: most of the time your pc will lag/crash before you reach the point of using all resources reasonably

[bright juniper]

lol yea

[worldly nebula]

i transport copper and caterium ingots plus whatever is needed to a manifold, then the quickwire it produced and sent directly next to it

[worldly nebula]

not true anymore, the admins have done incredibly well with optimisation over the years

well lag yes but not anything under 30fps

[unique cypress]

I, for one, hate having my production of one item spread across the factory. then I have to deliver its ingredients all over the place, I have to do math for each individual one (how much I need to make there, how much ingredients I need to send there, how many machines I need to build there)

If I build all production of one item in one place, and then distribute it, most math is already covered by Tools

[wind spade]

it's very much still true, since 1.0 introduced way more resources and processes

[worldly nebula]

doesn't work with large scale production that uses wire and quickwire unless you are fine with 30+ mk6 belts of wire

ill give an update once i am further along on how the performance is

[unique cypress]

you'll have even more belts of it if you make it where you use it. they'll just be all over the factory.

[worldly nebula]

wait lemme do an ms paint rq

[dusky dust]

Nah, that's the thing -- with the suggestion I had, you don't have 30+ mk6 belts of wire. You've probably got more wire-producting machines, direct-belted into the machines which need the wire, but it'd be the copper/caterium/iron/whatever ingots that you're shipping around, not the wire itself

You isolate the high-volume resources on direct-feed belts so that you don't have to route them all over the place

(Which, again, build however you like. IMO direct-feed can be a lot simpler though, for those kinds of items)

[worldly nebula]

this is how i do my ai limiters for example

top down view

fused quickwire btw

also i know i am such a talented artist, i screenshot my ms paints instead of actually saving them

they should put my ms paint in the ai limiter wiki page fr

[unique cypress]

As you should. It's faster, doesn't take up space on your drive and takes up space on Discord's instead

[wind spade]

well, not "instead", since if it's anyway posted on discord, it will always be there

[bright juniper]

Ok I think I'm going to create as many singularity cells as possible

now I need to figure out how to divy up everything, including for power. Is there any tool that will help do this or do I need to make something in sheets

[unique cypress]

http://satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[worldly nebula]

someone is gonna tell me to hurt myself for mentioning the tool i use so i wont

[unique cypress]

If you want to absolutely maximise it, you're gonna have to use SF Optimizer though. It's the only tool I know of that can automatically include the costs of making exactly enough fuel to power everything

In SFTools you'll have to kinda eyeball it

[worldly nebula]

this is my plan for using almost everything https://factoriolab.github.io/sfy/list?z=eJxFkE1PAkEQRP.NHF4i2V3AxMNcumeURD4EQlRuiosiDugkCnro3-6CGi.dVa8qfeit1xZlUbit14rOcRe.QFZUVatzQCdUR3LVRK72hMNQl33sQwFVtziYm8a45HuU.LDkm5zjveTH.3LyJ1f1vql.0Xar-9r3XG68EDinx4iFLVnZmleyvbPj05omp5whikTkEhmYDJExMkVmyDUyN7lDapMlkkw2yJtJRvZIC1V0gI7QMTpFZ6bX6Nz0Dl2gz2hC30wzukML0xJto11CtHBBWFp4JLwQNha2hGxhTygslMSBxSHx1uKceG.xgfhEXLv0mn3pUsq-Z30b28SlOnt1abvwhx99-LL8BuPqauE_&v=11

dont look at the website name or they will kill me

[bright juniper]

this?

https://github.com/Zistack/Satisfactory-Optimizer

[worldly nebula]

i spent hours manually optimising my plan 😢

[bright juniper]

it uses python 🧱

[unique cypress]

I'm not aware of any calculator that can do more than this one

[worldly nebula]

when it comes to maths automation python is king

[bright juniper]

nah it's slow

[unique cypress]

It can calculate endgame production chains with multiple optimizations in like 2 seconds max. It's fine

[bright juniper]

time to rewrite this all in assembler

[worldly nebula]

it is king for development

[wind spade]

C is
python is ultra slow compared to C

luckily SF's maths aren't that complicated to begin with

[unique cypress]

I recently had the displeasure of working in C

WTF DO YOU MEAN THERE ARE NO STRINGS???

[dusky dust]

Well, fortunately there's modules for Python where you can outsource the math to C libs, so you've got the best of both worlds

[worldly nebula]

yeah but if you are writting maths automation, 99% of the time it is better to write it in python, at least in my experience cuz 99% of the time you aren't doing anything that actually needs the speed

[unique cypress]

And considering SF Optimizer uses SciPy, that's probably exactly what happens

[worldly nebula]

i have used python and C extensively for years, C is actually my favourite language, but i still much prefer python for doing simple math automation

[dusky dust]

Honestly for pure Python stuff, I've often had great luck just switching over to running the thing under PyPy. It's still not gonna approach pure-C-lib-integration type speeds, but I've done a lot of bruteforce solvers for things which were vastly improved by that

Though I seem to think that over the past n years, a lot of performance improvements have been landing in Python itself. The gap between CPython and PyPy has been closing a bit, hasn't it? Maybe I just imagined that. Also I'm gettin' all offtopic here. skitters off

[bright juniper]

wait what

[worldly nebula]

if you need something that is performant then dont write it in python, but if it doesnt need to be and its just quick automation then it is usually easier to just write a quick python script

[wind spade]

good old char[]

(way more efficient than strings btw 😛 )

[worldly nebula]

C string and char[] are the exact same thing in C

[wind spade]

I mean Tools also outsource it to C

[worldly nebula]

string in C is just an alias for char[]

[wind spade]

C doesn't have string
maybe you're talking about C++?

[worldly nebula]

C does have string, but it is just a useless keyword that is an alias for char[]

string doesn't actually mean string

[wind spade]

not default C. Unless you do e.g. typedef char* string

you can even name a variable string, it's not even a keyword

[worldly nebula]

yeah

<string.h>

it is in every standard C compiler

[wind spade]

string.h has no string definition. It only includes functions that work with char[]

e.g. strlen()

[worldly nebula]

huh you are completely right

give me a sec i gotta find out why i thought C had that alias

[wind spade]

probably someone liked using typedef char* string 🙂

[worldly nebula]

nah it was not that

cpp has string so i probably was just thinking that

[worldly nebula]

i would definitely remember that cuz i would be kept up at night thinking about the psychopath that would do such a thing

just looked through all my old code and have still have no idea why i thought that

i guess i just assumed c would have that alias for all the cpp refugees

[wind spade]

no, C is barren and harsh, but efficient 😄

[worldly nebula]

yeah but they do go out of their way to have both char[] and char* even tho char* is far more accurate

like char[] is just misleading

not like an alias will hurt the precompiler

[wind spade]

alias would hurt people that used string as a var name or function name, because it isn't a keyword 🙂

[worldly nebula]

string as a var or function name would mess with me

like who does that

[wind spade]

especially in a language old as C, adding a keyword is... not very recommended I'd say. (well, you could introduce it as a new standard, but I doubt it's worth to do a new standard just because of adding an alias you can do with one line)

[worldly nebula]

oh yeah i definitely agree they should not add that now

i just thought they already had that

[wind spade]

me who codes in php and can have variables with any name

[worldly nebula]

i programme is too many different languages, most of them with the string keyword so i wouldn't dare use it

[wind spade]

PHP also has string keyword... but variables begin with $ 🙂 so you can have string $string = 'aaaaa'; 🙂

[worldly nebula]

i just do either "str" "msg" "txt" "in"

[bright juniper]

I code in lua where there are no var types. Can do

myVar = "aaaaa"
myVar = 123

[wind spade]

oh PHP is also typeless, just types are optional (and recommended I guess)

(also, I know I'm not helping this, but programming discussions are probably #off-topic-general )

[worldly nebula]

yeah i know but it is cursed to name a function or variable with the exact same name as a keyword, in fact at least when i have used php and languages that do the same powershell script (god help me) it is usually illegal to use the same formatting

you scare me as a person

[unique cypress]

You can't have a variable named str or in in python lol

[wind spade]

eh imo it's fine to use it in e.g. function length(string $string) { return strlen($string); }

[worldly nebula]

yeah i know i dont use those in python

python has too many keywords

i usually just use "msg" and "txt"

[worldly nebula]

that is exactly what a php user would say

a normal person would do function length(string $STRING) { return strlen($STRING); }

i am hating so hard right now but i am passionate about naming convensions

[worldly nebula]

or pascalcase if not const

[deft lichen]

lack of type safety drives me nuts

in Python you can at least optionally annotate it, but Lua has zero support for even that

[worldly nebula]

that is one of my main issues with python

dont code in lua so cant talk on that

[dusky dust]

I really hate the Python typing syntax, alas! I know I should use it more frequently but it bothers me aesthetically so much

I know I'm a fool for resisting. :P

[worldly nebula]

that is another one of my main issues with python

[deft lichen]

the worst code I've ever written is code currently in production and it's the Lua module that handles recipes on the wiki

[dusky dust]

Like I'd prefer if it was some non-backwards-compatible syntax which had the types before the variable name instead, but I just cannot seem to re-engineer my internal reactions to the current method

[deft lichen]

GDScript formats it the same so I've gotten used to it

[worldly nebula]

dont worry almost all web code is complete dog :)

[deft lichen]

GDScript is like Python if it had type safety, but it's not enforced. I like it way more in comparison

[dusky dust]

Heh, I do at least know it'a a Me Problem. :P

[worldly nebula]

the entire web dev industry is stuck together with duct tape

[high storm]

Hey so I'm trying to wrap my head around overflow belts going back into a merger (trying a 1:10 LB for the sake of it). So a source --> 2 split --> 3 split for 12 total outputs, but I want to put it into 10 containers equally.

So during the first initial pass, all 12 belts should be outputting 10, but then we have the topmost and bottom most belts that are circulating back into the merger.

So... I'm not sure if I understand if this intuitively. Can someone use crayons and construction paper to see how we eventually equal out to 12?

[high storm]

And don't mind if the x's are misrepresented here. Looking back at it, it doesn't make a lot of sense lol

[wind spade]

out of curiosity - manifold is not an option?

or are you just trying to understand the math?

[high storm]

This is more learning for learning sake, the latter 🙂

[wind spade]

but as for your question, let's show it on 1:5 (but this works with any).

Start by marking the merged resources as "x" (first image)
that then shows us we're getting 1/6 of x in every output (second image)
then, how much we're getting in the main input?
well obviously it's 5/6 of x (since it needs to be ? + x/6 = x). So we got 5x/6, splitting into five x/6, a perfect 1:5 split (fourth image)

[jovial wyvern]

It's an iterative loop. Let's consider the upper or the lower half of your diagram since it's symmetrical.

First time through the loop each output is 10 items per minute, with 10 also going back to the merger. That 10/min merges with the incoming 60/min, for a total merger output of 70/min.

Second time through you're splitting 70/min into six outputs, with one output feeding back to the merger. 70/6=11.667, so now instead of 10/minute at the outputs it's 11.667/min, with 11.667 feeding back to the merger.

Third time through... you now have 71.667 items per minute coming out of the merger. Split 6 ways, one of which feeds back to the merger. 71.667/6=11.944. So now your outputs are 11.944/min.

This process continues, with the outputs asymptotically approaching 12/min.

[high storm]

Oh yeah duh that makes a whole lot of sense

Thank y'all so much! I think I was making it more complicated than it needed to be. I know Manifolds are easier and simpler, it's just a really cool problem to try to figure out 😉

[high storm]

Oh so it's a geometric series until we get to the limit of 12

[wind spade]

yes and no. If it was e.g fluid flow, it would work that way. But in SF we have solid items, so while we can estimate the flow using items/min, in reality we need to consider every separate item and the fact that splitters do round robin. Which is obviously hard to do with math, but it also doesn't make it "approaching 12", but rather at some point just starts being 12

(and if must start being 12, because if it wasn't 12, it would mean items would either pile up in the balancer or that some of the exits is getting more than its share, both of which are impossible feats)

[high storm]

Thanks for the context

[worldly nebula]

Best reason, I wish you luck

[rich wing]

Can I trust satisfactory modeler's math if I'm looping recipes backward? Like with rocket fuel?

This is what I'm looking at currently

I want to make use of the byproduct compacted coal as it seems wasteful not to, it's just a shame that the ratios are so weird

Also holy crapo you can get SO much rocket fuel out of a single 600 crude node

[steel knot]

is there a way in satisfactory modeler to specify the output desired rather than starting from the input of the base materials?

[steel knot]

i'm doing the same thing

going to send the turbo fuel to turbo ammo

[whole heron]

It looks like it's just a feedback loop of the compacted coal going to make turbofuel. Feedback loops are normal.

[steel knot]

for some reason i struggle with setting this up. i have the flows set up in the output but i just want to know how much of each of those inputs i need for a 15 radio control units

[bright juniper]

So I'm trying to calculate how much I can produce, and I'm using soo much sam in singularity cells and power. Is there any way I can reduce this, or do I have to curb back my production of singularity cells

[worldly nebula]

What is the Sam being used for mainly

Not at my pc rn but if it is dark matter crystals then make sure you are using the alt that combines the residue with time crystals

[bright juniper]

looks like it's a pretty even split into dark matter residue and ficsite ingots

[worldly nebula]

You using alum cat or iron for ficite?

[crude tinsel]

Nobody of my friends have satis factory, who wanna play?

[bright juniper]

aluminum

[bright juniper]

#1201555265942724758

[crude tinsel]

ty

im new lol

[worldly nebula]

I'll be home soon, I'll check out my plans to see if I am missing anything @bright juniper

[bright juniper]

I toyed around with the singularity cell factory planner more and it got this. Now I'm only missing sam

[worldly nebula]

I just looked at your numbers again, what does the 11k in used in power mean

[bright juniper]

the 12k is how much is consumed, so the amount in the cell is the net

[worldly nebula]

What does the column used in power mean, like nuclear rod production?

[bright juniper]

ye

for nuclear, plutonium, and ficsonium. That's the smaller of the two numbers. The larger is how much is being produced

I just threw it together so it's not particularly intuitive

[worldly nebula]

So what is the 11333 Sam actually being used in

The only thing related to Sam and power that I can think of is the singularity cells but there is already a column for that

[bright juniper]

the factories are seperate

so I do have enough sam though I'll just be consuming some of the singularity cell's I'm producing

[worldly nebula]

I'll have another look when I'm home

why so many ficsonium fuel rods?

[bright juniper]

that's how many I need to cover the most power draw from 500 sing cells /min

[worldly nebula]

but ficsonium fuel rods cost more power to manufacture then they provide

[bright juniper]

ye but I don't want to deal with waste

[worldly nebula]

each ficsonium fuel rod uses 2 singularity cells

do you absolutely NEED to burn all the plutonium fuel rods

[bright juniper]

as of right now this is just over the max power I need for 500 sing cells

burning everything

[worldly nebula]

94 singularity cells are used to make ficsonium fuel rods

what would happen if you burnt half the amount of plutonium and manufactured 47 less singularity cells and half of the other materials used to create the ficsonium fuel rods

it is an optimisation problem because you need to burn some plutonium, but you are actually slowing spending more power over time then the amount you get by burning both the plutonium and ficsonium combined

i am genuinely curious to see what happens if you half the amount of plutonium you burn and half the resources used in ficsonium fuel rod production

ok i did the math

no matter what you do you will always lose ~2.5GW of power for every ficsonium fuel rod you produce, that is including the power gained from burning the plutonium and from burning the ficsonium

~117.5GW of power is being flushed down the drain in your scenario

now that i think about it, i dont know why the devs added ficsonium when it will provide a net loss to power

so your options are downsize your operation or be fine with storing plutonium waste

[whole heron]

Or sink Plutonium Rods into the Awesome Sink.

[worldly nebula]

yeah you should be doing that if you are not burning them

[summer flare]

Probably because of the set input limits with the default miner settings for the raw quartz - the iron and copper ore ones have been adjusted.
Go into the outpost for the RCU's and set the output part limit of what ever is producing these to 15, then go back and delete the parts per minute settings for each of the miners.

[limpid rain]

Are either of these any good?

[worldly nebula]

both

since you can only choose 1 id just pick the one you might want to use immediately

[brisk smelt]

id say fused is more versatile, only rlly need steamed until late game for heatsinks

[worldly nebula]

i didnt use either of them until late game cuz copper is pretty abundant and even just the default quickwire recipe gives a lot of quickwire

[bright juniper]

could I sloop my SAM?

[worldly nebula]

better to sloop the singularity cells directly

[unique cypress]

Idk how you did the math, but it's not even close. According to Tools:

With all recipes except conversion, 1 Ficsonium Rod takes 110 GJ to make and burns for 150. That's a slight net gain on just the Ficsonium. Including plutonium, that's 130 GJ into 450 GJ.

Now, that uses the default SAM -> DMR recipe, and you probably want to save SAM by making the DMR with something else. In that case, it takes about 240 GJ to make 450. Even if you overclock absolutely everything for a 34% cost increase, that's still 320 GJ to gain 450.

Is that worth the resources it costs? Absolutely not. But it's not net negative

[unique cypress]

Max sing cells, using everything available on the map optimally, is about 1700/min. And it uses a mix of rocket fuel, ionized fuel and surprisingly uranium to make the power. It sinks plutonium rods ofc

Though that's without using any augmenters. I sincerely doubt you could get more with those, but I technically didn't check that

[bright juniper]

oh right I can augment to save SAM

[worldly nebula]

i thought my math had to be wrong

[unique cypress]

I doubt that saves more SAM than slooping it

1 sloop in a constructor is 300 free SAM

10 is 3000

[bright juniper]

oh wow

but it takes more power so more power consumed, which leads to more sam consumed

[unique cypress]

My brother in Christ, a constructor takes 4 MW

[bright juniper]

riiiight

[unique cypress]

53 if you fully sloop and OC it

[bright juniper]

maybe I shouldn't be doing math at 2 am

[bright juniper]

I am curious to see the graph of this

[worldly nebula]

trying to make a significant amount of something that requires sam whilst also making ficsonium is gonna be a weird balancing act

is there a reason why you dont want to just store plutonium waste or just want to make a no waste powerplant?

nvm i think i just answer my own question

[bright juniper]

I think you did

I mean I'm not against waste if I can sink it but I can't do that with nuclear waste

[spiral hornet]

why are fluids so fucking stupid?
i have 600 crude input. the 10 machines use 600 but the last row runs at 50% and the one before that 60% the first 3 rows at 100%. i just dont get why they have to make fluids so complicated for no reason

[unique cypress]

well, too bad, the best you're gonna get is a json file. at least until I bother to fix my grapher for SF Optimizer, which the recent update broke. Not that the graphs it produces are particularly readable

[bright juniper]

Unfortunately this device which I am on is not equipped to handle such things (I don't have sublime on this device even), I shall retire to sleep (it's 2 am) and look at this properly tomorrow.

[worldly nebula]

what is the uptime on the oil extractor

[worldly nebula]

recipe and OC on the refineries?

[spiral hornet]

the buffer is full

5-5

nvm fuck it i dont have enough patience for this

[worldly nebula]

if the oil extractor is at 100% uptime, i would give it another hour or so cuz if some machines aren't running sometimes then it should clog the extractor input eventually

[spiral hornet]

i just dont get why they have to make fluids "realistic" when barely anyghing in the game is realistic

[unique cypress]

For high flow pipes, it's best to put the main spine of the manifold a few meters above the refinery inputs.

Also, get rid of the buffer

Another possible optimization is to reduce the number of junctions by connecting 2 refineries to each one

[worldly nebula]

dont worry basically everyone agrees

[unique cypress]

In 3-6 months we'll see if the devs now agree too

[spiral hornet]

i started in 1.1 but if they havent bothered chaning it since beta i dont think they will

[worldly nebula]

that is what i have been thinking

i wont believe it until i see it

[spiral hornet]

i love how they implemented it in factorio 2.0. they had similar fluid mechanics before. now fluid just instantly fill the pipes

[unique cypress]

1.2 brings fluid trucks. So they started looking at fluids. Other hints suggest they might finally look at the fluids themselves

[bright juniper]

they redid factorio's fluid system in 2.0

[worldly nebula]

let us know in an hour or so if that extractor is still at 100%, cuz if it is then 600 oil has to be going somewhere, if not, then at least we know that the fluids are being funky

[spiral hornet]

i will just leave it and forget about it

[unique cypress]

What do you need 100 beams for

[upper ravine]

🤷‍♂️

I have 720 iron to spend

What should the numbers be out of these 3

[unique cypress]

I'd make more EIBs and pipes. They're needed for refineries

Brams only for rails and packagers iirc

Unless you don't do refinery spam, then ig you don't need that many

[upper ravine]

I do indeed refinery spam

I ran out of beams making the phase 3/4 parts

Not sure if they are used later

I just need more storage for them before sinking honestly

[worldly nebula]

cant remember how many beams i make but it is probably less than 30 and i haven't had any depot issues

i dont use a metric ton of packagers so i cant speak on that but i do use a metric ton of rails and haven't had an issue

[unique cypress]

Rails cost like 12 per 100m

Cheap af

[worldly nebula]

yeah i thought i would have to upgrade my depot steel production at some point

but i still use the exact same steel facility for my depot that i used at the start

[unique cypress]

I had to upgrade my upload. Due to the aforementioned refinery spam

[worldly nebula]

other than upgrading the amount of uploaders

i had to do that for EVERYTHING

[worldly nebula]

my depot was crying with my measly 10 motor per min for a bit before i built my main base

[quasi whale]

hello i wanted to transport some packaged fuel over some trains and i wanted to know if its more efficent to use the fuel from either diluted fuel or use the packaged diluted fuel?

[unique cypress]

Diluted fuel and diluted packaged fuel have the same ingredients for the same output. If you have diluted fuel, there's no reason to use the packaged version - it's less convenient and uses more power

[wind spade]

depends what do you mean by "efficient"

power-wise it's better to transport as fluid
some people prefer transporting packaged so that they don't have to deal with fluids (but they have to deal with the packaging/unpackaging and possibly sending back canisters

[quasi whale]

alright thanks

[shadow sinew]

I've thought how instead of a mk 2 oil extractor, we get the diluted fuel recipe, which about doubles the production of most stuff from oil xd

So in a way the blender is the mk 2 extractor

[oblique hollow]

Diluted packaged also exists so Refinery also counts as the mk 2 extractor then