math-and-meta

[vapid gorge]

belts don't really care about verticality, purely design so do whatever you want that way

avoid doing that with fluids though

[elfin kelp]

alright sounds good

[cosmic hare]

notice how two of them technicall have 40 + 40/2 = 60

im wondering if those foundries will fill up first and then the rest will even out but i think since i now know merger tae evenly this will work right?

[unique cypress]

At least with regular mergers and splitters, no, this won't work. The 2 middle foundries will get 40/min forever and the middle middle belt will never back up

[cosmic hare]

i thought mergers always tak evenly from lines so it shouldn't be a problem right?

[unique cypress]

That's exactly the issue

You're expecting a merger to merge 30 and 15

It'll try to do 22.5 and 22.5

And it'll actually do 25 and 20, because one side has a supply of 40 and the other 20

[cosmic hare]

im confused

oh i see the issue the images has a missing line

okay i went ahead and built it inside the game instead for a clearer picture

basically i have 3 inputs of each 120items/min
and i want 8 outputs of 45/min

and im wondering since what i currently have is 6x 40items/min and 2x60 items / min if it will equalize out

or why it wont

[vapid gorge]

a proper sketch would be better , I don't know what numbers are going on there

[cosmic hare]

the screenshot

is the same situation as the previous image

(apart from the missing line)

[vapid gorge]

as far as I can tell each of these would have 40?

[cosmic hare]

well two of them would have 60

[vapid gorge]

is the middle one not split into 3 going to the top one as well?

[cosmic hare]

oh yes

[vapid gorge]

then the 2 there would be marked as 40

[vapid gorge]

this isn't 45 each though?

[cosmic hare]

exactly my problem

im just wondering if it will equalise to 45/min

[vapid gorge]

eventually? sure

it'll back up and fill like a any manifold

[cosmic hare]

like basically will the 60/min belts start overflowing (since it only takes 45/min) and then the remaining go to the other belts

[vapid gorge]

but honestly just use the 3 lines and clock the machiens afterwards

[cosmic hare]

how would that work?

[vapid gorge]

one s ec

[cosmic hare]

the only other solution i can think of is splitting the 3 belts each into 8 and then taking 3 lines per output

[vapid gorge]

what are the 120s btw? ore?

[cosmic hare]

yeah

this is for the coal portion of foundries

[vapid gorge]

ok just clock 3 groups of machiens to process 120 each

and then group the output however you need to

can't find the image I'm thinking of

[cosmic hare]

but foundries are 45/min

[vapid gorge]

so clock them...

[cosmic hare]

to 60?

[vapid gorge]

like this as an example ****

or 3x 40

[cosmic hare]

underclock?

[vapid gorge]

see in this example tehre's 2 inputs

you then clock the 2 systems in such a way that you can merge the outputs however you like

if you don't care about that, clock them simply

3x40 = 120

[cosmic hare]

not sure im understanding

[vapid gorge]

forget the image then. Why not have 2x 60 or 3x40 foundries?

[cosmic hare]

hmmm

[vapid gorge]

much simpler

[cosmic hare]

it is and ill probably do it but i still would wanna know what would happen

how mergers behave for the future

[vapid gorge]

like I siad, it would eventually over flow and probably work

[vapid gorge]

mergers just merge

[cosmic hare]

well the problem is

[vapid gorge]

when one side backs up it'll flow the other way

[cosmic hare]

i think someone told me mergers take 50/50 or 33/33/33

so im wondering if it would take 20ores per min from both sides

and then just take the 5 per min from the side thats coming with 40

[unique cypress]

Then connect it in game how you said you will and see how it works

[vapid gorge]

mergers just accept whatever is given to them, unless the outputs are full

that's it

[cosmic hare]

right, if the output is full which it will be will it still try to do the evenly taking from all sides?

[vapid gorge]

it'll accept however much is available,

which is why I said it'll probably back flow and eventually even out

but I can't really tell if it'll clog

[cosmic hare]

what im imaging will happen is this:

[vapid gorge]

you're really overcomplicating things and thinking mergers do things they don't

[cosmic hare]

so my ocnfusion kinda comes from the fact that someone told me that they take evenly

do they only take evenly within a certain timeframe or like how does that work

[unique cypress]

They try to, yes

[cosmic hare]

cause surely if one side is feeding 40 and the other is feeding 20/min

and the belt only goes 45/min

[ruby tulip]

when all inputs are full, they will try to alternate between them.

[cosmic hare]

it cannot take evenly?

[ruby tulip]

they do.

[unique cypress]

What are you expecting it to do?

[cosmic hare]

im wondering if the 20/min belt will ever pile up in this situation

[vapid gorge]

it'll feed evenly and whenever there's a block it'll over flow

[cosmic hare]

or if it will just keep taking the 20/min belt

[vapid gorge]

theres no 20 belt in your diagram

[unique cypress]

Why would it?

[ruby tulip]

it shouldn't™

[cosmic hare]

because if it doesnt

that means it wont work and the middle splitter will never pile up

and that means 2 of the outputs will be capped at 40

[ruby tulip]

what do you mean by this?

[cosmic hare]

yes there is

[unique cypress]

... Which is exactly what I told you an hour ago

[cosmic hare]

right but i got contradictary answers so i just got confused

[unique cypress]

I think you can fix this by using smart splitters

[cosmic hare]

i mean is the other effeceint ways to go from 3 to 8?

there probabably is alot of them you guys have thought of im just new and trying to learn

[unique cypress]

I mean I would do a balancer but that's totally overkill here XD

[cosmic hare]

a balancer?

so youd make 24 seperate lines and group them per 3?

[knotty hornet]

Basically a tree

[unique cypress]

I'm assuming you only have mk2 belts right now?

[cosmic hare]

yes

[knotty hornet]

But with 3 trunks

[cosmic hare]

not sure i understand

the common denominator between 3 and 8 is 24

so i think the only way would be to make your 3 inputs go to 24 inputs and then group them per 3

but whats the alternative?

[unique cypress]

that'd be the general solution (if I understand what you mean)

split each input belt into 8, then merge 3:1 1/8th of each input

[knotty hornet]

I mean, yeah, since you're belt rate limited

Otherwise I'd just say injection manifold

[unique cypress]

with full belts you'd have to inject 6 times. that sucks ass XD

[cosmic hare]

what do you mean with merge 3:11/8th of each inputs

[knotty hornet]

1 ⅛

[cosmic hare]

this i dont understand

[unique cypress]

split each of the 3 input belts into 8. you end up with 24 belts. now merge them 3 at a time, to get 8 after merging

[cosmic hare]

right thats the balancer method right? or is that not what its called?

[knotty hornet]

The even 8-splitting needs to be done with a balancer, yes

[cosmic hare]

is there a way to make it work with overflowing that it will eventually work?

[unique cypress]

but you take the 1st belt from the 1st input, 1st belt from 2nd input, and 1st belt from 3rd input. that's the 1st output.

then you take the 2nd belt from the 1st input, 2nd belt from the 2nd input and 2nd belt from the 3rd input. merge, and that's the 2nd output.

repeat.

every output has a connection to every input.

[cosmic hare]

that sounds confusing

not sure i understand

[knotty hornet]

Kinda like this, each in belt gets split into 8

Then you take one belt from that first group to each of the 8 outs

[cosmic hare]

look the problem is i understand how to easily get 2:X ratio by just making a line and that feeds on both ends (aslong as your belt has enough throughput)

but i have no clue how to do it for 3 or more

[knotty hornet]

Then you repeat for each of the 3 input groups

Each output merger gets one belt from group 1, one from group 2, and one from group 3

[cosmic hare]

is this not just the same as the equal balancing method?

[knotty hornet]

Yes, this is exactly that

[cosmic hare]

right i understand how to go from 3 -> 24 -> 8

[unique cypress]

this is a balancer (if all the connections are made)

[cosmic hare]

that part is very understood

im wondering how (if at all possible) to make it in a way where there is less connections where it just slowly fills up the lines one at a time

kinda like how my coal power is setup with the water feeding from both ends

[unique cypress]

doing 3:4 and then 1:2 would be easier than a full 3:8. you don't need a full 3:8 here

[knotty hornet]

I mean, if your machines are paired up, 2×45=90, so you could have one belt feed 2 machines with 30/min overflow. Do that three times, merge those overflows, and feed another pair of machines, that's 8 total there

You could always do some other segmenting and separating flows.

[ruby tulip]

idk if its easier to understand, but this should do the trick.
but it relies on the fact, that all the inputs always receive 120.

[cosmic hare]

would something like this work?

[unique cypress]

probably not, for much the same reasons as the first one

[cosmic hare]

well probably would wanna split the middle belt amont the middle two splitter beforehand

[unique cypress]

I'd have to do the math to make sure tho

[ruby tulip]

that should work.

[unique cypress]

yeah, no, I don't think it'll work. at least not without smart splitters

[cosmic hare]

hmm

[ruby tulip]

my math is telling me, that this will happen. when overflowing it should™ average out.

not 100% sure though.
i think you should just test it @cosmic hare

[cosmic hare]

well im glad otherpeople arent 100% sure aswell means im not asking stupid questions :D

[unique cypress]

it'll do that

middle 2 get 37.5 instead of 45

[cosmic hare]

why?

[unique cypress]

because a merger merges equally

[cosmic hare]

ah i see so it doesnt fully use the first output similar to the other problem

mergers kinda suck ngl

[viscid marsh]

You can use priority mergers to fix it.

[unique cypress]

nope

you need smart splitters

[cosmic hare]

what would smart splitters do?

what would priority mergers do?

wait you cant fix it with priority mergers?

[viscid marsh]

A priority merger would let you force which is the preferred side to take from.

[cosmic hare]

that would fix it no?

[viscid marsh]

A smart splitter would work too

[unique cypress]

set the smart splitters to only send overflow towards the merger. then all the other foundries (except the ones directly after the merger) get what they need first, and only then feed the merger

[unique cypress]

you'd have a different issue with a prio merger

[cosmic hare]

like what?

[unique cypress]

they don't fix these kinds of problems

[cosmic hare]

if we set the 3th box (merger to prioritise inputs from the left) wouldnt that fix the problem?

now im just curious what the other problem(s) would be

[unique cypress]

this

[cosmic hare]

oh geez

your so right

other unrelated kinda related question
do spiltter/mergers on vertical convayor lifts allow for a 1/4 splitter? evenly for example?

[unique cypress]

no, they still only have 3 inputs/outputs

[cosmic hare]

this shows 4 though but im assuming the back one ontop doesnt work?

okay so its splits in 3

[unique cypress]

place it. it won't let you connect a belt to the back

[cosmic hare]

but are the splits even ?

[viscid marsh]

Yeah, KYO, you're right. the priority merger there doesn't work.

[vapid gorge]

splitters split evenly to all outputs if they can yes.

[unique cypress]

both splitters and mergers try to do things as evenly as possible

[cosmic hare]

idk the elevators and splitter/merger thing confuse me but they seem really nice and handy

[vapid gorge]

they're just vertical. You're over complicating things

[cosmic hare]

right if they are placed on the vertical part they only have 2 outputs/inputs?

[unique cypress]

they always have 3

[cosmic hare]

no look

[vapid gorge]

and an output up?

[unique cypress]

one's just out the top/bottom

[cosmic hare]

the middle ones only have 2

[unique cypress]

1 input at the top/bottom, 2 outputs out the sides, 3rd output opposite of the input

[cosmic hare]

huh

but you can placemultiple no?

[unique cypress]

along the same lift? yeah

[cosmic hare]

yeah does it just divide the part that is coming down?

[unique cypress]

it works the same a regular splitter. just rotated

[cosmic hare]

oh i see cause one of the inputs is the elevator going down i see what your saying

[wintry warren]

is this good @vapid gorge

[vapid gorge]

you're probalby going over yoru head lift

but not great information no

[wintry warren]

I'll take a screenshot of the water extractor

[vapid gorge]

build the coal gens along the water *on foundations

[wintry warren]

oh alright sure I'll try that

[vapid gorge]

convenient diagrams

uses exactly 120 coal and 3 extractors. You'll need lots of them

[wintry warren]

I use this one for supplying coal

it works now, thanks

[wintry warren]

I'll probably use the location as my main setup location in the future though

just trying to experiment with coal generators rn

[vapid gorge]

just use it for power

it's basically teh spot they made for early power for people

[wintry warren]

sure

[minor orchid]

alas i have returned

focken insane

all the red inputs are made elsewhere

and the graph already is barely readable

once operational, produces the equivalent of 40.6m points /min

best part is i dont even know how big i should make this plant lol

[minor orchid]

and max 96.6GW of power

[grim crane]

@oblique hollow the Buffer does not need any fluid in it?

[oblique hollow]

only the vertical pipe needs fluid in it

[grim crane]

Mhh i see

[oblique hollow]

the buffer is just a way to have some fluid available

[grim crane]

So i just cant put the buffer at the highest point of my factory and use it to pump smt from the lowerst floor to this floor

[wind spade]

you can do it without a buffer

well, not the "cheaty" version in the manual

[grim crane]

"Cheaty?"

[wind spade]

it's free headlift

[grim crane]

Thats great

idk why that is "Cheaty"

[wind spade]

abusing game mechanic in unintended way

headlift is supposed to be created by machines/pumps

[grim crane]

Fluids break me so ill break fluids or smt

[wind spade]

fluids break you because you refuse to listen to suggestions

[grim crane]

I mean your suggestion is "Direct input" 90% of the time
Also at the end i did listen to some of it for my sulfur piping

And i also listend to the suggestion with using the waste water for the nuclear plants

[wind spade]

my suggestion is rarely direct input

that's practically just for screws

[grim crane]

You also suggested that for quickwire in the past

[wind spade]

well yeah, screws, wire and quickwire

the trinity of items that are needed in large quantities and people still manifold for some reason

[grim crane]

Yeah but direct inputing nearly 10k of quickwire seems a bit more stupid than just mixing it into output belts ngl

Also considering the space i had between both productions for diffrent reasons

But thats not the point here
If this is "Cheaty".. it still works

[wind spade]

any factory that makes 10k quickwire in one place seems stupid tbh

[wind spade]

sure, but may be removed in the future if devs go with updating pipes

[grim crane]

I needed a lot for AI limiters and quartz oscilators
And im using like 25% of them when i complete this factory

[wind spade]

keyword is in one place

[grim crane]

Than ill add pumps
i just dont feel like placing pumps rn

[grim crane]

I combined two big factory projects...
Numbers do infalte quickly

[wind spade]

which was my partially joking point

you should first learn how to work with pipes before resorting to cheaty ways and claiming pipes are broken 🙂

[unique cypress]

eh, I did 15k and it was fine

[wind spade]

oh I'm not saying it isn't fine
I'm just saying it seems stupid (imo)

[grim crane]

Working with pipes is just kinda tedious idk
like it works.. (most of the times)
but i rather not deal with it

[unique cypress]

to me it seems easier to just dump it all into a balancer so I don't have to do the math myself

[grim crane]

Worst part being the stupid ahh Water extractor
fucking hate that thing

[wind spade]

not sure how it is more tedious than belts. The only difference being the added loop, and a pump if you go up (usually easily avoided by building at source). Anything else is same as belts

[grim crane]

the pumps are my main thing, god awfull if you have a bundle of pipes and like you accidently connected two pumps to each other...
also way the build modes smt seem to define logic annoys me

Like wdym this is a invalid shape
But if i make it closer it is valid

[wind spade]

which is why I don't recommend bundling pipes 🙂 usually you don't even need that much in a single place unless you're centralising things (at which point that is the cause of your issues)

[grim crane]

Also that there is no mixed mode of Vertical and straight is a crime

[grim crane]

This might be a small bundle, but its still a bundle

You often need a lot of water

I love my direct input water sinking pipes ❤️

lets not even talk about the bs in my nuclear plant...

[ruby tulip]

did you solve the problem, or do you still have it?

[wind spade]

at least one of these groups of pumps is pointless, maybe even both

[grim crane]

I mean yeah
they are only 500

[wind spade]

pumps are only for going up and do not stack

[grim crane]

But i wanted that direct input to reduce spaghettie ❤️

Oh you mean that

Yeah no that was just my blueprint
I started using blueprints for longer pipes

[ruby tulip]

i have another idea.

[grim crane]

Ok so my water tower does not seem to work

Ok yeah, the height was to great even for that lol

this is enough tho i guess

oh wait i see what i did wrong i think ooops

[quick gorge]

I need a list of everything that people personally find stupid.
Over 10k quickfire for our lovely Greeny.

If possible I might be able to put it into my project, tho I think I might be at capacity, not sure but I want to have a "you can't tell me how to play" build
A challenging build for sure

[thick plank]

1. Usage of any other main long range transportation plattform other then conveyor belts
2. Non usage of the Raw Ore + Water recepies
3. Not using Manifolds

[quick gorge]

Sushi train moving a bunch of random ore going to a non pure factory should cover all 3

[thick plank]

yes, that sounds good. Maybe sushi train bringing copper and iron into an iron ingot factory that then produces reinforced plates (but using the recepie that is just objectively worse when measuring for iron usage)

[quick gorge]

Might find a way to unironically use a sushi train.. somehow.. some way.. no idea I'd need to goto the lab when I unburn out

[ruby tulip]

balancers are fun to bild imho, but manifolds are easier in most cases. so it depends, on what I want to do in that moment.

but balancers are in any case better than injection manifolds.

[quick gorge]

I already have a section doing iron alloy and copper alloy mixture as SIS with some help from our local sushi master

[thick plank]

I mean, it should be fine as long as you are at least partially using smart splitters?

I did a setup once that kinda worked by just hooking a sushi belt up to basically be a closed loop with smart splitters leading into the different inputs for the machienes and the overflow going further into the loop

[quick gorge]

The only ""required"" balancer setup is anything nuclear unless you want to have a spicy time

[thick plank]

Maybe we should just task you with building that then?

[ruby tulip]

what do you mean by that in this case?

[thick plank]

just making jokes, dw.

Yes, balancers do fill up more quickly, but honestly I usually dont bother

just means more planning and more complexity

[quick gorge]

I am also fishing for new integrating ways to build. Because optimising the fun out of things... so asking for unoptimised things makes for interesting build ideas..

[ruby tulip]

in most cases manifolds are fine, but sometimes it's helpfull to add a load balancer before the manifolds.

[quick gorge]

Oh yeah I'm planing this with no intermediate sinks.. so not sushi overflow to sink

[grim crane]

make a huge water tower for every fluid and use that to pump fluids everywhere

Also there is a mod taht lets you make every ore into a fluid 💀
So if you want

[thick plank]

dunno if that counts, but I really enjoy trying to build really compact and unorganized. So that my factories end up being basically multi story mazes

[grim crane]

My oil water tower seems to workj

[quick gorge]

Most of my fluid needs are water...

[grim crane]

the lonely buffer on top of ze world

[ruby tulip]

overflow of a sushi belt should go into a sink.
(there are ways to deal with it using prio mergers, but ultimatelythere should be a sink.)

[thick plank]

it works

[quick gorge]

is overwhelmed by the amount of shit I need to do on my project

Refactoring the SIS and make it look good

[thick plank]

and overflow going into a sink just means your machienes dont get the proper ammount of stuff

[quick gorge]

The little buffer that could

[ruby tulip]

it does, but it is neither robust nor elegant.

[grim crane]

There is one pump in the system, that just gives this the initial kick upwards before it just flows...

This is like a 3km pipe

[ruby tulip]

it makes the system more robust. the sink n3eeds to exist, not to work.

[quick gorge]

Can't you do that thing with a value with zero throughput?

[thick plank]

well, if it works it works

[grim crane]

I have that in it
but for some reason it didnt wanna start flowing without a pump

might be fine if i remove it now

[quick gorge]

Ah right.

[thick plank]

if you add a sink to a system that just means you loose materials. If you loose base inputs, your entire factory doesnt work

[quick gorge]

Fluids are known for being ["fun"]

[grim crane]

Same here...

The valve that could 😭
Why did it start flowing

[quick gorge]

I can't wait to be unburnt out..

Not sure where to start up again...
The cube zone™ perhaps

[grim crane]

oh i forgot a valve here

[ruby tulip]

if you do it right you don't. you still should add one to be safe.
but if one item overflows, you're screwed without a sink.

[grim crane]

ok bitch why arent we flowing

[quick gorge]

[grim crane]

i just disconnected and reconnected a random pipe

And now its having flow for some reason?

I fucking dont get this game

[quick gorge]

I've been playing since 2018.

Same. Some things aren't meant to be known

[grim crane]

2018?

So alpha and closed beta

[quick gorge]

2018 was the alpha

Well back then we didnt have pipes but that's besides the point

old man yells at clouds

[grim crane]

Ive been playing since the open beta weekend

Good old times

when you could mine Oil with the portable miner to power your trucks

[quick gorge]

When they came pre barreled

[grim crane]

Good old times

Here i found some videos from the alpha from a youtuber i used to watch back then

[quick gorge]

Anyways I want to plan the cube zone..
Sushi input and it assembles all the cubes
Not too sure how it will work but it will look dope

[grim crane]

I remember when we sat in his stream and waited for the Beta keys to be send out

[grim crane]

Im still gonna advocate for the all ores are fluids mod just to be fully stupid

[quick gorge]

No mods for me

[grim crane]

K

only pure recepies 💀

BUT
underclocked to 0.10%

[quick gorge]

Why... im gonna reach the object limit in no time

[grim crane]

Actually try avoiding any pipes that are longer than lets say 20meters

so focing you to use Packaging loops 💀

[quick gorge]

looks at my hundreds of nuclear reactors planned

Mhm yes okay sure yes

[grim crane]

I did this 💀

So ummm

every belt is 2 reactors

this is also the reason i cant hoverpack near this thing...
The weird standbye bug kills my powergrid

[quick gorge]

My plan is to have 3 different sections for each state of the process.
But then I had a demonic idea.

Sushi reactors.

[grim crane]

what

You mean waste and fuel on one belt?

Mhh yes, my grid is made out of No Power

[quick gorge]

Technically not sushi but having uran, plut and Fic fuels on one input belt

[grim crane]

it aint working 💀

Btw i am not the only one that just destroys walls and floors to travel through my factory, right?

[quick gorge]

If going around would take 15 seconds or longer..
Or im in the finished #design-and-architecture where everything placed perfectly

[grim crane]

Xd

I most of the times dont rly build walking infrastructure

So im kinda forced to

Some of my factories are only reachable by Hoverpack or by a entrance on the other side of a 4km complex

[quick gorge]

Most of my currently built things are pretty open air factories so its free to fly around

[grim crane]

Introducing hell

2 production floors
2.5 logistical floors

[quick gorge]

I love me some mezz floors

[grim crane]

Im a prisoner in my own head sometimes

This view is actually missing a floor because the train cuts it

[quick gorge]

"Release me from this prison"

[grim crane]

i also have a small logistical buffer in the lower double walls

Also there is no way rn to reach the lower logistical floor...

[quick gorge]

I have no good pictures showing off the logistics of ym build on my phone

[grim crane]

I love walking through doors and seeing some liminal horror

The blender Basements are absolute hell

[grim crane]

Wait that slays

[quick gorge]

No good ones so have a bad one

A lot of pictures I have put in #design-and-architecture for progress on that

[grim crane]

ill take a look
i like posting random progress updates on reddit for my stuff
its not the most grand but it has smt

[quick gorge]

When I am building I am living in the design channel. Once im dome Ill throw it on reddit

[grim crane]

Xd
I dont like the design channel
it makes me look incompetent 😭

[quick gorge]

👀

[quick gorge]

#design-and-architecture message

[grim crane]

My biggst problem is like losgitical organisation
Idk how people keep the big giga factory so organised...
I struggle so hard to not loose any overview

[grim crane]

I love and hate it xd

i like the crown

[quick gorge]

Its a reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Crowns as CS is Swedish and the math checked out to 3 so it just works!

[grim crane]

Ok so i needed one pump to get my Buffer to work

[quick gorge]

#design-and-architecture message
Found the over head view to see the "logistics"

[grim crane]

fuck

Thats...
Impressive

ok so now...
i just need to automate the frames and the Nitric acid
than im done

and ill have PLUTONIUM!

[quick gorge]

That building is converting all 10200 SAM on the map btw.
Felt great to see the numbers coming of the beast

[grim crane]

?????

Jesus

[quick gorge]

There is 10200 SAM on the map. And all of it is in that picture

Thats why I put a greenscreen above it and edited a sphere as it is "teleporting" all the SAM to this location via the same shit that is used in the depots :]

[grim crane]

mhhh ok

The calculator rly loves oil recycle loops 😭

I just want frames ffs

[quick gorge]

It really does love the recycle loop!

[grim crane]

I think ill ban the use of pure recepies for this one 💀

Genually whats your problem

[quick gorge]

I have the west coast oil doing the full recycle loop.
Every drop into it!

[grim crane]

I already have like.. 3 recycle loops
4 if you add one of my 2 Alu once

[quick gorge]

But idk what im going to use it for.. I just had an idea for a cool building and this project is about cool shit.
Not boxes.

[grim crane]

genually where am i gonna get that much fucking Nitrogen Gas 😭

😭

fuck it im gonna produce this bs offsight and just ship it over

[quick gorge]

I have a bunch of things broken up into sections, like the western oil looks like this

The Northish west desert has this area and makes for this cool split

[grim crane]

thats cool ngl

i do it kinda similar

[quick gorge]

That is the SIS

Not because it's effective but because it's a cool idea to have SIS

Oh and this is my end goal because I hate myself

[grim crane]

Ok so
red at the topo is every space elevator part till phase 4
Orange is plutonium
yellow is Nuclear, 300 quartt oscilators
Steal outpost
second train logistical hub
and turbo fuel
Green is Alunminium for the plutonium plant
Borwn is just main base basically
The lighter brown is oil colelction and some Nitrogen collection and refinement for main base
I actually still have some of that oil over
And blue is bauxit to uranium for my PLutonium

its all just one big production chain that would collapse the second my Quartz oscilators stop producing 💀

and i wisht that was a joke

[quick gorge]

APM consists of this

[grim crane]

i do have a smaller production for quart oscilators for some mid game productioin of like later game items and for storage...
but the big one basically powers everything endgame related starting by the nuclear power plant
the whole fuel plant cant even start up the nuclear production i think

[grim crane]

Damm
organised

[quick gorge]

It's overwhelming and that is why I haven't touched it in months

[grim crane]

I paused for a whole year lol

i just got burnt out by school again 💀

[grim crane]

I also wanna do smt here... might to a bit of fun recreational stuff

[quick gorge]

I want to put my nuclear stuff there, but also a hidden shrine if nothing else happens there

[grim crane]

Ok so, how are you getting that much plutonium out of that
I have half your uranium waste and i am only getting 33.333

With a pretty much rly efficnt production

oh thats waste

not plutonium

[quick gorge]

I really tried to use repeatable designs to be able to spread them out in a way that makes building easy... the blueprint system in this makes it quite nice

[grim crane]

im actually gonna produce more waste than you

[quick gorge]

That "4" with uran waste going in and plut waste coming out is just 4 instances of this

[grim crane]

is there even enough fucking Aluminium left to produce enough cubes for ficsonium in my save..
One moment i need to check smt

[quick gorge]

Technically I'll be making no waste as Fic fuel rods don't make any 🙃

[grim crane]

Yeah
i wanna try ficsonium
But i dont wanna use up the pasta i use (or used i guess) for my space elevator parts for ficsonium
so i needa get enough aluminium together for it
But im using two pure and 1 normal bauxite node to get the missig uranium i needed

i should have some alu over...
And i could save on some more if i switch my elevator/storage ficsonium to caterium ingots instead of Alu...

[quick gorge]

I did make a little thing for the vibe I'm going for with these SAM builds
#design-and-architecture message

[grim crane]

i thinkj the interactuve map just crashed

the media offline screen gives the warning i get in davinci resolve when i moved my source files
Also it gives subnautica

[quick gorge]

So honestly I might have gotten over zealous... I may need to "cheat" in some sloops to be able to reach these numbers 💀

[grim crane]

oh yeah im did that..
Mostly for resources like iron or copper ingots cus i aint gonna build 200000 fucking refinieries

Stuff that there is enough off

It actually does not fit in one picture

[quick gorge]

Yeah that is that screen.
I think it's cute to have that there

The issue I had was the amount of SAM needed and the amount of DMR

[grim crane]

i love that you can clearly see the 100 stupid particle accelerators filling up space

[grim crane]

i see

I wish

[quick gorge]

10200 SAM, 22 slooped reanimators and 12 not gives me 4200, 1200 goes to APM and 3000 goes to FICSIT

[grim crane]

I hate looking into this website..

i am producing Trigons in overflow rn so that might be helpfull in saving together aluminium

[quick gorge]

I don't use it, I'm content hand drawing my points with the modeler, it's nitpicky and with what I'm doing, how I'm doing it I like being nitpicky

[grim crane]

Yeah

I might actually have enough aluminium for ficsonoum.. if i just switch out my ingots to smt else

[quick gorge]

Take a wild guess what is made in this

[grim crane]

Ficsonium?

[quick gorge]

I really do need to take better screenshots

[grim crane]

Wait a minute?
what is this thing on about

How am i not using nany bauxite?

[quick gorge]

I legit just imported all the sub total amount of ore into modeler

[grim crane]

Rly...
That was what the calculator thought is a smart idea

[grim crane]

there is more coal than copper?

Also im advocating for more Bauxite

[quick gorge]

Apparently

[grim crane]

huh, thats it?

Thats everything i need for ficsonium rly?

[grim crane]

How much sam is on the map again?

[quick gorge]

10200

[grim crane]

Oh i should also maybe max out the ficsonium amount

Instead of looking at 10

It just crashed after 95 💀

33.3 particle accelrators...

333 Singularity cells 💀

[quick gorge]

I don't really care about building the maxed out thing.
I just want to build the coolest shit, I took the choice of using maxed out uran and 8 active APAs for that medium, I am sad I am needing to cheat in sloops tho ngl

112 is the most amount of Fic you can make without SAM conversion

[quick gorge]

Just do 56... twice :3

[grim crane]

OOps 😭

[quick gorge]

So you can make uraniumless fuel rods... oops

[grim crane]

the refinery count omg 💀

[dark glen]

What is chat gpt trying to tell me here-

[grim crane]

how overclocking works

[quick gorge]

always the fucking refineries, I hate the requirement to spam the shit out of them

[grim crane]

Why are you asking chat gpt for overclocking

[dark glen]

well

[grim crane]

I dont think i have enough resouces left in the world ill be honest

[dark glen]

I wanted to know how I need to overclock my nuclear power plants xd

[grim crane]

just look on the wiki

[dark glen]

But why on earth is it giving me

[grim crane]

Math
Its giving you math

[dark glen]

a formular for it

I don't like that 😭

[grim crane]

Are you 5?

[wind spade]

why are you asking the least reliable source?

[dark glen]

No?

[dark glen]

I was curious what it'd say and it worked out in the end :)

[grim crane]

What do you have against a formula than 💀

[quick gorge]

Bet you hate formula 1 races too....

[dark glen]

It's just confusing to me...?

[grim crane]

Its littelery just (How much power do i want) divided by (how much am i producing per plant at what clock speed)

[dark glen]

literally*

[quick gorge]

Gonna scare em with formulas in ma building

[grim crane]

Ach du bist so einer

[dark glen]

Nooo please stop 😭

[quick gorge]

Those are fun formulas too

[dark glen]

Not my kind of fun :(

[grim crane]

i wanna say smt rly gay but i think i will not

[quick gorge]

HA GAyyyyyy

[dark glen]

I'm gay you can go ahead :3

[grim crane]

Damm
only gay?
get a upgrade man
Imagine limiting your gender preferences to only men

[grim crane]

nah would be to grose for here

[dark glen]

I'm a woman btw.

[grim crane]

Oh

i mean

better choice

[dark glen]

Plus I'm pansexual

:)

[grim crane]

ahh

Wait i have a meme for this

[quick gorge]

#design-and-architecture message
This is for both of you

[grim crane]

Oh

i want it

[dark glen]

That's very cool!

I installed a mod that gives you funny rugs :)

[quick gorge]

#design-and-architecture message

[grim crane]

i have the same mod

i think
Idk if i still have it

[quick gorge]

You can edit the signs from outside the tube so just change em, I'm not about to spam all of them.. there's like too many flags to post all of them as tubes

[dark glen]

i have this one

and this :3

[dark glen]

It's very pretty though, I like 'em!

[grim crane]

Found it

[quick gorge]

The one I linked the blueprint of was the lesbian one so your lucky ass don't need to edit anything

anyways
Being gay aside

The cube zone scares me

[grim crane]

Ah yes.. prassure cubes

Why is there no alt recepie?

[quick gorge]

All eaten for Fic rods

[dark glen]

this is my current project :3

[grim crane]

cute

[dark glen]

why cute!

[grim crane]

So this is refining about 5000 non fissle uraium...

[quick gorge]

You made King Converter angy for calling someone else's reactor cute, he will turn all of your iron into coal

[grim crane]

pls do
I dont wanna run 5000km for more coal

[quick gorge]

I was told to put a face on it so I did

[dark glen]

welp, mine converts around 500 but I don't need more anyways-

[dark glen]

cute

[grim crane]

I already finishewd the game...
And i rly dont need more power technically
but 16 rods of plutonium sounded less cool than 33.333

[quick gorge]

He has the Swedish national anthem engraved on his crown :3

[dark glen]

I also finished the game...I'm just building for the sake of me being addicted 💜

[grim crane]

xd
Im just buiding more stuff to ingore the dread of school

[quick gorge]

I finished the game before starting this project of mine, my own post game,

[grim crane]

the real endgame is getting 1 fucking ficsonium

or smt smt

[dark glen]

yes, I'm trying to get to that ;-;

[quick gorge]

"cute"

[dark glen]

wait how do you have 80 sommer sloops just laying about-

[grim crane]

Cheating

[quick gorge]

It's not that simple

[dark glen]

xd

[grim crane]

im gonna produce about... 166.5 ficsonium

[dark glen]

well, if I'd cheat I could too 😭

anyways

[quick gorge]

80 in there, 22 in constructors making 102

[grim crane]

Well lets not talk about my generous use of sloops in my nuclear facory
I actually still am at the world limit
But for ficsonou, i might sloop my alun stuff ngl

[dark glen]

that's impressive...you don't use any for ballistic warp drives?

[quick gorge]

There's 106 on the map, remove the 3 for MAM research

[grim crane]

Or maybe sloop the cubes too

[quick gorge]

I'm not making any BWDs

[grim crane]

Oh nvm

[grim crane]

im thinking about just removing the space elevator parts from the system
Would free up SO many resources

BUT... that feels wrong

I want when i empty every contained that all my production chains work

I love absurd high numbers

Actually suprisingly not that much concrete

i have a feeling this thing just cant calcuate

[quick gorge]

So I had all that planned out right?
Then I started hooking things in...
I run out of Dark Matter Crystals.. I don't have enough DMR to make them so I need to sloop the crystals and cheating in a handful just to keep up and that felt gross and wrong but I got a canvas to paint

[grim crane]

xd
I honestly dont feel bad cheating energy shards

[dark glen]

I wish i could just copy paste all that :(

[grim crane]

sloops a bit..
But i have greater thing to do than worry about running out of ssam

[grim crane]

i like your colour way

The more candy apple red

[dark glen]

Yus! I use a different color depending on the base

but red is my main color!

[grim crane]

colour*

Pls we are in europe

(sry its a urge i cant resisr xd)

[dark glen]

I use the american way :)

[quick gorge]

DMR is a bitch to handle

[grim crane]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-so-uncivilized-attack-of-the-clones-star-wars-gif-19823075

[grim crane]

yes.

[dark glen]

DMR?

oh

dark matter residue?

[grim crane]

Easy fix

[dark glen]

look at fred :3

[grim crane]

Fred seems happy

[dark glen]

Yus

[grim crane]

I aint tho

[dark glen]

😭

you didn't see that :p

[grim crane]

i should not talk

[dark glen]

more colour :3

It still needs a roof :(

[grim crane]

i kinda just have one colour...

[dark glen]

but I'm on it

[grim crane]

And a lot of stacked boxes

[dark glen]

That's boring ;-;

[gaunt tartan]

So if I have 5212.12 rocket fuel a min how many gens can I have fully oced and what will the last one be using I keep messing up my numbers 😔

[grim crane]

ill never finish most of my buildings..

[grim crane]

Uhh
A lot..

1250.928815

[gaunt tartan]

Fully oced tho

[grim crane]

giving you about 313gw

[grim crane]

just divide by 2.5

[quick gorge]

I'm gonna goto sleep, looking at my over all plan with all the DMR issues and the amount of work I need to actually do along with all my ideas for the save is overwhelming and fml, too much

[gaunt tartan]

I'm only placing 500 or so

Fair

[grim crane]

500.3715259

[gaunt tartan]

And the last one is at 37.15%?

[grim crane]

Gn
I should go to sleep too ngl
Its already 1:20

[grim crane]

thats 501 yes

[grim crane]

it has its charm

[gaunt tartan]

Okay sweet ty

I keep overcomplicating it and I need sleep

[grim crane]

lol dw

[quick gorge]

My SAM has the theme made up of 3 colours

[grim crane]

poser

[dark glen]

that's very cute

[grim crane]

i just make visuals through overcomplicated stacking of everything idk

[dark glen]

I think I found a unique roof design for this one :D

[quick gorge]

And here is the vibe I want from the builds #design-and-architecture message

[grim crane]

oh nice

This is like tier 1-9 stacked on top of each other

[dark glen]

that's very

bisexual :)

[grim crane]

Lol

[quick gorge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim crane]

Real tho

[dark glen]

it's just pretty colours though!

[quick gorge]

SAM doesn't have a sexual preference, not a gender at all buy whatever

[grim crane]

So its pansexual non binary

[quick gorge]

It cracked up a Pride Tube™ and drank the [Gender Fluid™] within

[grim crane]

xd

are these to many statues?

[dark glen]

I think I'm most proud of this design...first rocket fuel base!

[grim crane]

Cute

[quick gorge]

I never much cared for the statues, I'm mostly going to get them as passive gains while building my project, the time it took for me to build the Reanimation factory I gained like 700 ? I haven't opened the game in months I can't remember

[grim crane]

im most proud of this complex..
im missing a roof for my turbo fuel plant

[dark glen]

thanks :3

[dark glen]

it's so big 😭

I think I care too much about the environment sometimes

[grim crane]

its a lot of stuff at one place

[quick gorge]

Factory music stops

[dark glen]

@quick gorge you're weird

[grim crane]

hey hey

watch what you saying
He is not weird
Just special eds

[quick gorge]

Just because I agree with you doesn't mean I don't want to know why you think so?

[dark glen]

Because of the reaction and please don't take it seriously ✨

[quick gorge]

oh the smirk, sure

This is Frien, he loves you

[dark glen]

snowman :D

i love him too

[quick gorge]

Copy paste him into your game

☃

[grim crane]

It produces:

• 50 motors (early game)
• stuff for my 10 heavy frames a minute (was my first big project here)
• turbo fuel (about 50mw)
• 300 oscilators
  and it has 50 nuclear power plants
  Plus a small logistical hub for trains

[dark glen]

I've...

in 300 hours of playing I have not automated a single crystal oscilator

XD

[dark glen]

huh?

[quick gorge]

I've actually hidden this little guy in some of my builds and I might go back and put him in all my builds, a little where's Wally kinda thing

☃

Copy paste that on a sign

[dark glen]

oki

[quick gorge]

Snow Frien

I found him while looking up symbols to put on here to make a computer screen, made my day

Anyways I said I was going to bed like 20 mins ago so .... bye

[grim crane]

i mean it gets only worse from here

[quick gorge]

Enjoy Snow Frien

[dark glen]

i can't :/

I dunno which sign

[quick gorge]

Ones you can out text on...

[grim crane]

bye

[dark glen]

He small Frien :(

[quick gorge]

Put on a teeny 1x1 sign

[dark glen]

i can't put text on these-

OMG I FIGURED IT OUT!! I had no idea you could change the layout of a sign

[dark glen]

Happy Frien :3

[quick gorge]

Happi Snow Frien! :]

[dark glen]

he can watch my travels through the void :D

[quick gorge]

You need to click a lot of buttons on signs. They have hidden secrets to find... I suppose you can apply that to the entire game

[dark glen]

and take care of me! 💞

[quick gorge]

Emotional support Frien ^_^

[dark glen]

Yus!

[gaunt tartan]

And per floor I can do 57 and then a 58th one on 60% cuz 600/10.416

[sand spade]

Can anyone give me a hand with some logistics? I need to split 10 off of a line of 40 and i cant figure out how i would set it up

[dusky dust]

The easy way: have one set if machines produce 10 and another set produce 40 (ie: don't combine them in the first place)

[sand spade]

The issue is i need to have it being combined at first

[dusky dust]

Also the easy way: rely on manifold logic; send the combined 50 to both, and they'll self-balance

I bet you don't actually need them combined. :)

What you do with your factory layout is always a choice. With under/overclocking in particular you can always chop stuff up however you want

[sand spade]

Ill try that

[dusky dust]

Anyway, the medium-difficulty way is to split it up as you'd hope; if you search for Balancer on the wiki there's various examples of perfect prime-number splitters

(including for 5)

So you could take the 5 one and then just merge 4 of its outputs together

(though IMO my first suggestion is often the most convenient. :)

[sand spade]

Im doing the math for the first one rn

[dusky dust]

Ah, that's the one I was thinking of: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Balancer#/media/File:Balancer_odd.png

(bottom left in specific)

[sand spade]

First suggestion works, it just took some thinking

[vapid gorge]

1 smart splitter, set the 10 side to over flow
when the 40 side fills up it'll send 10 down

technically even 1 normal splitter will get this as well

[sand spade]

Thx btw

[dusky dust]

That's what I tend to do when I upgrade a miner to tap into it for a new factory near old ones, so the new factory can't even temporarily starve the original one

[vapid gorge]

smart splitters are useful it's true

[sand spade]

Im honestly struggling with the math sometimes bc i was forced to take a break since july bc my pc died :/

[vapid gorge]

you have to do very little math in the game. Mostly because manifolds will work in almost every situation

you have to choose to create systems that requires more effort

but it's totally avoidable

[sand spade]

Im also struggling to get back into the like mindset of making big factorys because it died while i was building a big factory

[vapid gorge]

do you use satisfactory tools? it does a lot of the burden for you. You can also use it as a rough layout guide

[sand spade]

I do, though im not that good at pre-planning so it tends to be a bit of a mess

[gaunt tartan]

all fuel gens placed

now time too do pipes

[carmine jay]

what fuel are you using

[frosty owl]

Technically, you wouldn't even need to split the Rods "properly" for it to work ^^
Even if you don't make sure each reactor gets just one kind of rod, they'll just gobble up any rod they receive! (Ie: the splitting could be a normal manifold)

Kinda like when feeding Coal Generators with Coal, Coke and Compacted Coal

[gaunt tartan]

Rocket

And I think I did the math wrong per pipe

Cuz I thought it was 10.416 but I think it's 10.412 I'll have too recheck

Either way I hate everything cuz I need too fix it now

[quick gorge]

Well I don't think ill be doing mixed reactors despite loving the idea of having all 3 rods going to the same reactor simply because I already have planned locations of the 3 separated reactor set ups.
Plus if I had them mixed I couldn't do the 40k reference

[quick gorge]

Also they all have different burn times so that might be an issue

:deepthink:
I have a plan for fics but the uran and plut aren't as stone so I could have uran and plut be mixed

[wind spade]

they have different burn time energy value

[quick gorge]

Plut lasts half as long in a reactor compared to uran

Annnnd my plan has Uran reactors at 240% and Pluts at 224% so I would have a whole number of reactors so I'd have to rejig those quite a bit

[gaunt tartan]

57.581573896353 this is how many I can fit per floor Soo the 58th one just needs too be 58.15%? I messed it up the first time don't wanna Frick it up again

[fringe seal]

oh jesus christ

I kinda want to see this work but also I don't want to put pressure on someone to go through that

[quick gorge]

I... might redo some things, I haven't built the reactors nor their fuel assembly yet as I was focused on working backwards, power shards for APMs and Ficsonium processing first so I can just hook in plut waste and it's already made, I'll think about it

[fringe seal]

also I don't think sushi reactor will work tbh, not without significant fluctuating

[quick gorge]

Currently in ma plan I got 105 Uran at 240%, 100 plut at 224% and 50 Fics at 224%

[unique cypress]

Nah, it will. Once the last rod starts burning, the slot is empty and can fill with the next one. While the previous rod is still burning for a long while

[quick gorge]

Uran burns for 300 seconds, plut for 600 and fics for 60. (all at 100%)
So there's a problem

[unique cypress]

Is it tho?

Just have the next rod come in within that time

And it will, because it's likely to just be on the input belt

[quick gorge]

There will be quite a lot of rods just sitting on belts

[unique cypress]

And?

[quick gorge]

I could make it work if the splitter is basically kissing the reactor

[unique cypress]

Why? You want some buffer on the belt so the reactor gets a new rod when the last one of the previous type starts burning

Just make the main manifold line a carousel XD

[quick gorge]

I mean... that's one way

I also need to find a clock speed that is a whole number of reactors while also being able to subdivide into easier to manage sections

[fringe seal]

I think this should be correct
||105 (U) * 2.4 + 100 (Pu) * 2.24 + 50 (Fics) * 2.24 = 588 = 2*2*2*3*49, 245 reactors @ 240%||

[quick gorge]

I might be able to do a round about way to double check, measure twice n' all

[quick gorge]

This checks out, can also do 240 reactors at 245% and that helps me subdivide

Make a hexagon with each side having 40 reactors, a octogon with 30, so on and so forth

This would mean I'd have to scrap my 40k reference 💀 😢

[fringe seal]

240 is not that round a number for nuke plants due to the need of 5-balancer

[quick gorge]

I'm not sure this can use a balancer correctly

[unique cypress]

1. There's no issue with a 1:5
2. It's not like you have to use one

[fringe seal]

1:5 is not that bad but still worse than 1:3 or 1:2

[unique cypress]

More like there's no point

[ruby tulip]

this is a rare case, where you really dont want to balance it.

[quick gorge]

Like I want to balance my reactors but I cannot balance a mixed reactor 💀

[wind spade]

You never need a balancer

[ruby tulip]

i think this is a use case for priorety mergers, because, you dont want your ficsonium piling up.

[unique cypress]

Reactors will consume it all regardless. Unless you don't have enough, but then you have other issues

[quick gorge]

Again, I'll consider doing it. Might just go with U and Pu and leave out Fics so I can have my 40k reference in a different part of the map from the cough MOX reactor :3

[ruby tulip]

still it should be alot safer to do ficsonium at a higher priorety, than plutonium and than uranium.

[quick gorge]

Just U and Pu comes out to 200 reactors at 238%

[vapid gorge]

The game works off dedicated production
There’s never a time where you can’t have dedicated reactors for both and you absolutely don’t want to back up one of the fuels

[ruby tulip]

this whole discussion is about a setup with mixed fuel reactors. and backup uranium is way less a problem, than backed up plutonium/ficsonium, because those have to be burned to get rid of the uranium/plutonium waste.

[quick gorge]

I am much more leaning to not have Fics included so I can keep my idea for the that setup in tact while also being able to call the mixed set up a MOX reactor

And 2.25:1 U:Pu ratio is a lot cleaner than 2.25:1:5 or whatever

[unique cypress]

Even with Ficsonium, it could still be "MOX"

3 mixed ingredients is still mixed

The "oxide" part is the one that's questionable

[quick gorge]

The 40k reference I have planed is a ficsit cart being loaded with fic rods and yeeting itself into the reactor core to fuel it...
I won't be able to have that if I include Fic in the MOX 👀

[fringe seal]

ig true

[ruby tulip]

you could still balance it in a way, where the ratios are exactly right for the different fuels, but it wouldn't be sushi anymore.

[quick gorge]

the ratio is 1:2.25 so that ain't going to be realistic

[ruby tulip]

you would need an "inverted" balancer with mergers.
I'm not sure, if 1:2.25 is possible though.

[fringe seal]

that's 4:9, nothing short of irrational is impossible

[unique cypress]

1:π ratio splitter kekw

[ruby tulip]

13to1 balancer isnt possible i think. the trick for 1 to n balancers doesnt realy work in reverse i believe.

[unique cypress]

Any n:m balancer is possible

[quick gorge]

OH yeah right, when first opening the uranium value it won't have Pu input so, there's that

[ruby tulip]

my goal here is to eqzalize 13 inputs.(or two inputs with a ratio of 4:9) and i dont think there is any way of achieving this.

[ruby tulip]

that shouldnt be a problem if you do it right.

[unique cypress]

It's possible the same way a 1:5 is. Loopback

[ruby tulip]

the loop back would be way more comlicatet.

[unique cypress]

1:13 is 1:14 with one belt looped back. 1:14 is 1:7 split in half. 1:7 is 1:8 with loopback. 1:8 is simple

Alternatively, 1:16 with 3 belts looped. I think that also works

[ruby tulip]

i realy think the easiest way would be a manifold using smart splitters, so it completely fills up the first reactor, before the second one gets anything, and having a priorety merger at the input.

[ruby tulip]

13:1 is more complicated though. you would need to loop back 3/16 of the output back into a 16to1 balancer.

but now that i think abou it this way, it should be possible.

[unique cypress]

...that's exactly what this does?

[crimson moat]

It does 😄

Probably the easiest way.

[ruby tulip]

ok, I found a way.

not very easy though.

I'm still not 100% sure.

[crimson moat]

Hang on, i'l make one. It's fairly easy

[ruby tulip]

to clarify this is meant for both inputs being filled, and the output getting both inputs in a ratio of 4:9

[crimson moat]

How much per min are the inputs, and what is the consumption?

[unique cypress]

Assuming you're not trying to do that with a full input belt

[crimson moat]

If input belts are full you can split and balance them so that they're not

[unique cypress]

Yeah, then you just replace the first merger and splitter with a 2:2 balancer

[ruby tulip]

i just want the ratio on the output belt. and input is always more than needet.

[crimson moat]

above pic is simplest

[ruby tulip]

i basically want to make a sushi belt with perfect ratios.

[ruby tulip]

4 and 9 should be inputs not outputs.

[crimson moat]

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to do.

You want to merge 4 and 9 and output 13? That takes one merger.

what inputs do you have and what outputs do you need?

Specific numbers too please

[unique cypress]

I mean 4 and 9 outputs also take one splitter. The 4 just has to back up

[crimson moat]

4+9=13 works even without backing up

[ruby tulip]

i want a sushi belt with perfect 4:9 ratios. and i dont wanna do the ratio using production per minute, but using a balancer.

[crimson moat]

So you are putting 2 different products on the belt?

[unique cypress]

Then do the 1:4/9 but in reverse

But realistically, you should use limiters instead

[ruby tulip]

yes

[crimson moat]

so you need to merge X per min of item A, and X*2.25/min of item B

[ruby tulip]

i dont think that would work. thats my point from the start.

[crimson moat]

how much of each item do you need per min

[unique cypress]

Why not?

[quick gorge]

erm since the Pu takes twice as long to burn it's more like 1:1.125

[crimson moat]

we need to know how much is going on the belt, not just the ratio, to build this properly.

[ruby tulip]

i think, im just dumb. it would work, and idk why i thought it wouldnt.

only downside would be, that the loop back is always fiolled, but that shouldnt be a problem.

[crimson moat]

yes you are going to have a full belt somewhere.

if you don't limit at production

[quick gorge]

50.4 U, 22.4 Pu

[ruby tulip]

it was meant for the mox reactor, that @quick gorge wanted to build. im not sure, how much items per minute he uses.

[ruby tulip]

so 8:9? if im not mistaking?

[unique cypress]

this will be limited at production by uranium running out. Regardless of how exactly you set the clock speed

[quick gorge]

The 50.4 is every drop of U on the map

[crimson moat]

Yeah i agree. The kind of stuff we are talking about is only useful when you HAVE say 1200/min of something, but only want to pull 50.4 of it out so that you don't saturate the sushi belt with materials that you can't burn or get rid of.

with nuclear rods you're just sending all of it and it can't saturate your belt, so it doesn't apply

just merge it all at full rate, take that out via smart splitter and problem solved

[ruby tulip]

honestly i just wanted to see, if balancing it was even possible, and it turns out, that yes, it is possible.

[quick gorge]

If I split the 200 reactors into 8 sets of 25 I'd have to run 6.3 U and 2.8 Pu down each and that's easy enough

[crimson moat]

you can just split equally

200 is not a good number for a game working with powers of 2 and 3, but it's fine

[quick gorge]

I'm trying to reduce the amount of reactors I have, 200 is the least amount while also having a whole number of reactors

[ruby tulip]

8:9 is even less complicated.

[quick gorge]

all running at 238%

[crimson moat]

That requires 191 reactors, but you can do it with 192 which is a power of 3.

[quick gorge]

I could have 10 less reactors but I wouldn't be able to have a "MOX" set up

[crimson moat]

what's that

[ruby tulip]

you should still be able to do that.

192 reactors at 247,91666%

[quick gorge]

A joke about having both U and Pu being mixed fuel using the same reactors

[unique cypress]

Or rather 128 at 247.9167% and 64 at 247.9166%

[ruby tulip]

its easier to just do all at exact fractions.

that should be 247.91+2/300

[crimson moat]

you cannot enter them ingame, lack of precision

[ruby tulip]

i thougt you could just put anything in there, that you can put into the in game calculator?

[crimson moat]

Yes but it's rounded to 4 digits

[ruby tulip]

the question is, how is it stored?

[unique cypress]

Someone would have to do some digging in the code to make sure but I have evidence that if you type in a formula, its result would get saved as a float directly, and not rounded.

But the question is how it gets used to calculate the cycle time. Does the clock speed get rounded to 4 decimal places then? Does the time get rounded at all? How small time increments can the game differentiate between?

[ruby tulip]

i think it would be easier to ask the devs, but i dont know, if they would like that.

[crimson moat]

248.5766(7) in float is 248.576660

so the fraction would not be sufficient anyway if it was stored or calculated in float.

floating point error brings it down, rather than up. It does for many things. Half of all numbers? Point is, even if you can input the fraction it won't give you the exact correct number. We shouldn't assume precision better than we can get from 4 decimals, that keeps us clear of floating point error.

[unique cypress]

Not sure where you got that because I'm pretty sure it'd be 247.91667461395263671875% actually

Though pyton prints out 247.9166666666666518636930049979127943515777587890625

[wind spade]

something something computers can't do math

[unique cypress]

Ah, python uses 64 bit floats. And I used a 32 bit float calculator for the first result

So there's also that difference

[crimson moat]

It's under in both float and double

I make machines always run faster than their input, that way the error is only for 1 stage and the excess production is always greater than the error, rather than accumulating across multiple

and for that case, 247.91+[2/300] will fail because it's too slow.

but anything north of 247.9167% will work.

Just can't get consistently more precise than 6-7 figures with floats.

[unique cypress]

1. you typed in the wrong number
2. clock speed is stored as a fraction, not %, so a value from 0.01 to 2.5

not that #2 makes that much of a difference

[crimson moat]

i don't think #2 makes any difference

[unique cypress]

oh, it does. they disagree at the 9th sig fig

[crimson moat]

How is my number incorrect?

[unique cypress]

you put in 248.57(6) in the screenshot

[crimson moat]

that's the number

[unique cypress]

^

I'm going off that

[crimson moat]

247.91
+
0.0066(6)

so 247.916666666667

ye?

[unique cypress]

... which is not 248.57(6)

[crimson moat]

Yeah i getcha 😄

So, that number has positive error.

But half of them have negative error

so if you specify that exactly and there is any error into the negative, which there is half of the time, your clock will be lower than the incoming materials. Which is a bad failure mode

[unique cypress]

the question is what error the cycle time has

how well can the game measure out 300/(2.4791+2/300) seconds (the cycle time for a reactor burning uranium rods at 247.91(6)% clock speed)

[crimson moat]

I'm gonna say not that well, because a stutter below 20fps makes it drop a belt item.

realistically you need to set your clock speeds substantially higher than the actual value on paper in order to always fail from material starvation rather than processing throughput

(substantially meaning like 0.1% over is fine, but exact isn't)

[grim crane]

oh jesus i hate this so much
Like wdym i need 24.4444 of that 😭

thats why i overproduce anything in the iron tree to the next rounded number to make it just simpler in numbers lol

[rare escarp]

just a quick question. so i have unlocked all but one reward from the hard drives but i cant scan one more. so can i just not get the last one?

[orchid brook]

wow some questionable recipes had to be used here and i had to use them for a lot of reasons but finally it just worked out

[crimson moat]

save and load

[unique cypress]

why not steel rod lol

cause alu rod is the only recipe in there that I would call questionable

[orchid brook]

if i did that i was gone have to use a tiny bit more coal which means an entire belt of coal there

and i am already bringing alummunuim to the plac

place*

finnily after a very very long time of planing i am done and i need... not a lot ?

[nimble nexus]

Wrong channel and there are more drives than alternative recipes in the game

[dusky dust]

There's a weird bug in the game where if you've been scanning drives, the game might not let you scan for the last 1-2 recipes while in that session. A save+reload of the game should clear that out, though!

[umbral mural]

hey guys, what do you rekkon is the cheapest way to produce super computers? (cheapest as in least amount of needed raw resources per minute)

[dusky dust]

Depends on which resources you value over others

You can use calculators like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production to see what they end up deciding on, given how they weight resources

[umbral mural]

not really any 1 over the other

ok ill do that

[dusky dust]

But in the end, using less of one resource will generally mean using more of another.

[umbral mural]

ok sounds good, thx 🙂

[upbeat summit]

how much better is ionized fuel as compared to rocket fuel?

is it worth it to unlock it and then start building things?

[wind spade]

depends in which case

[upbeat summit]

ohh it uses power shards, nvm then

not for me rn xD

[wind spade]

ionized fuel has 5GJ energy, rocket fuel 3.6GJ

[upbeat summit]

i see, thanks

[dusky dust]

Expanding slightly on the "depends in which case" thing, btw: for using it in fuel-powered generators, Ionzied is basically never worth it. You spend so much more power making the Ionized fuel that even though it's got higher energy density, you're far better off just leaving it as Rocket Fuel and burning that instead

As a jetpack fuel (and presumably drone/vehicle fuel, though I've not tried that out myself) it's quite good, though

[upbeat summit]

i see, thanks for the insights, i was just reading the wiki about it as well xD, but it's a long way to go as im still at phase 4

i just wondered about it, cuz i saw it in MAM, and it's easily unlockable

[wind spade]

ionised fuel is great as a power shard sink

[dusky dust]

Heh, that too. :D

[unique cypress]

for what?

[upbeat summit]

just for power gen purposes

[unique cypress]

then it's awful for that

unless you have several augmenters and don't care about the price

[steel knot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1o6qle7/i_present_to_you_the_belt_valve/ witchcraft

[fringe seal]

256 reactors @ 218.75% cleanly burns 2000 uranium

then I can make nuke nobes with the remaining 100

[hushed kettle]

I wonder why 10% exactly

possibly because 10 items fit in the mechanism?

[muted tide]

For my first nuclear plant. What is a recommended amount of reactors i should use?

[dark raven]

How too see this

[vapid gorge]

depends on how much power you want ... right?

[vapid gorge]

it's from a not great layout program. You use the program

this is a very good calculator and planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[crimson moat]

nvm i screwed up 😄

[fringe seal]

lol I was double checking the numbers

[crimson moat]

I got convertered by Tools

100 uranium is 4 nukes per min, that's good

[fringe seal]

243 reactors @ 238% : uses up 2082.5 U, leaves 17.5

[crimson moat]

i think you're off by a factor of 2

i have 256 reactors at 100% for 2100 uranium

[fringe seal]

I think that is the result of using alts

the numbers roughly matches up with what natro came up too

[crimson moat]

50.4 rods from 2100 uranium
each rod takes 5 mins to burn
50.4 * 5 = 252

and my other 4 are overprovisioned

i'm quite sure that the 50.4 number is correct, unless you're converting to more than 2100 uranium per min

[fringe seal]

ahh yeah my number is assuming sushi reactors

[crimson moat]

that depends a lot on the plut alts too

i have 256 for uranium, 128 for plut, 64 for fics

[fringe seal]

this is what I came up with

[crimson moat]

Plutonium fuel unit is quite terrible for wasteless setups

because you have to increase the ficsonium part by +50% to accomodate it, and that's the most expensive bit

the most efficient wasteless setup is to sink plutonium rods (so use fuel rod instead of unit, as it recycles waste cheaper)

the second most efficient is plutonium fuel rod again, but this time so that you get less plut waste and have to make less ficsonium

[fringe seal]

the wasteless setup I was planning before is a mix of the two lol

sinking some rods and burning the rest, 1.4M pts per min

[crimson moat]

If you're sinking any rods then it's better to instead use the cheap recipe which doesn't make as many rods, instead. Plutonium Fuel Unit is extremely expensive

Ficsonium is extremely extremely expensive

spending 2100 uranium and then going plutonium fuel rod > ficsonium already uses over 100% of the map SAM. Doing it with plut fuel unit is over 150%.

and generally, spending SAM on converting to more uranium gets you more power with less resource use than using Plutonium Fuel Unit

[fringe seal]

I see

so I have to encode something then sink that just for DMR, alright

[unique cypress]

Entirely depends on how much power you want?

Like I'd generally recommend to make more rather than less because going through all that effort only to power 1 reactor is kinda pointless. But to some people "a lot of reactors" is gonna be like 10 and for others it's gonna be 400

[crimson moat]

yeah and/or heavily sloop SAM

bad place to be

2100 uranium into ficsonium is manageable if you use the best waste to plut rod ratio (most waste to fewest plut rods)

[unique cypress]

Max power without resource conversion is 112 Ficsonium and max Ficsonium is 152.

But the most you can make with the SAM on the map (without sloops) is 95-96ish. And that's with using an alternate source of DMR.

Meanwhile max uranium to minimum Ficsonium is 63, totally doable without sloops or extra DMR

[frosty owl]

You could just sushi the Rods until the Generators area and then split them to the 3 different generator groups (Uranium, Plutonium, Ficsonium)

[frosty owl]

I think that if one were to manifold these generators (clocked like this) with a sushi belt, the system should run fine without even spitting out any overflow ^^
Generators consuming Uranium "too fast" will get fed a "slower" rod to consume after finishing some Uranium and the other way around, so it all should balance out~

[fringe seal]

gotcha. only thing that is sinkable and does not use up SAM is the superposition oscillator, which generates 50 DMR/min @ 100% assuming dark matter trap

[unique cypress]

You can "sink" power shards by turning them into ionized fuel and burning it

Certainly less convenient but at least it doesn't use any bauxite

[fringe seal]

I see, even baux is limiting if you go for that much fics?

[crimson moat]

yeah

[frosty owl]

Or, to throw out other alternative ideas:

• Spread the 240 generators in 80 groups of 3, each with 1 Uranium NPP, 1 Plutonium NPP and one Ficsonium NPP
• Sushi-balance the input (1->80)
• Smart-split each balanced output so you have literally all kinds of Fuel Rods exiting each of these smart splitter and going into reactors; since the system is load-balanced, none of the belts should back up, making for quite the nice sushi showoff along the more throughput-intensive parts ^^

Overflow management for Rods overflow can be skipped quite easily if you take it into account

[unique cypress]

Tools says it uses 87%. Not sure how much of that is strictly required, but it's a lot regardless