math-and-meta

[slender yoke]

does that work

[nova steppe]

theory crafting rn holdon

[unique cypress]

5 1:6 balancers and then 6 5:1

wouldn't be a proper balancer but could work depening how proper of a balancer you actually need

[wind spade]

I'd just clock machines so that I don't have to do a balancer

[slender yoke]

its for trains

[wind spade]

train is basically a belt

[slender yoke]

its actually a 10:12 that can be split in 2

[wind spade]

what you put in on one side, you take on other side

[nova steppe]

Why wouldnt it be a proper balancer? just curious

[unique cypress]

not input balanced

[unique cypress]

yeah, if you want max throughput out of trains, then you basically need an acutal balancer

[slender yoke]

yeah exactly

[unique cypress]

then like I said

[nova steppe]

as in input speed or input amount? Or would there be small differences?

[unique cypress]

pulling 5x items from the outputs wouldn't pull x out of each input. the inputs connected to the 2:6 would be pulled from 1.5 times more than the 3:6. because there's 1.5 times fewer of them and you're just merging them afterwards

[nova steppe]

ah alr

thanks for clarification

[slender yoke]

can 5:1 just be a stack of mergers that has lifts bring them all to a lower belt

[unique cypress]

it won't be input balanced if you do that

[slender yoke]

wdym

i split into 6 groups of 5

then each group of 5 goes to 1 merger

oh wait

does it need to be input balanced or can it work

[unique cypress]

depends

if you're loading the train, not really I don't think

if you're unloading the train, absolutely

[slender yoke]

alr

unloading shouldnt be as weird so

for loading i dont need to?

[unique cypress]

well, the input side of that balancer is miners/factory, not a train. the train needs to be balanced. the other stuff, not necessarily

unless you built it in such a way that it needs to

but if it's miners, then it doesn't matter which one it's pulled from

[slender yoke]

its refineries

idk if that changes anything

[unique cypress]

if you set it up in a weird way, it might matter, but it usually doesn't

look at your factory and see if it'd be an issue if one belt was utilized fully but the others not touched at all

[slender yoke]

shouldnt really be until train output

[runic kraken]

i think next time i need to plan stuff out a bit better

[slender yoke]

success !

[hexed temple]

What u guys think of a part of my first factory?

first time

[runic kraken]

how to plan factories

[unique cypress]

aren't you already using SFTools? That's all I do for planning

[hexed temple]

Js build

[runic kraken]

yeah but how do i know how much stuff to make

[runic kraken]

sure bro maybe for steel not for uranium and plutonium

[runic kraken]

also it is generally worth trying to get pretty numbers?

[unique cypress]

guess. look at what the item is used for, and estimate how much of each thing you might build. After a few playthroughs I know, but until then, you just have to guess

[runic kraken]

ok thanks

[unique cypress]

I only aim for an output that's a multiple of what 1 machine makes at 100 or 250%. everything else doesn't matter

[hexed temple]

True

[visual ocean]

Do you guys have your factories running 24/7 using sinks or you just leave the production to halt and save on used power?

[unique cypress]

sinks on absolutely everything. mostly for points and troubleshooting, but letting factories idle doesn't really save you power. you still have to have enough power/power storage to sustain all of your factories running at once. because when you use the items they made to build something, that's exactly what they'll do

[visual ocean]

I've been noticing factory issues, the more I use sinks. Especially insuficiencies of some material

But im finding them as i do the next thing on the chain

[unique cypress]

yeah, that's what I meant "for troubleshooting". without a sink, you can't be sure whether your factory has mistakes and issues or not. the sink puts it in a stable state for long enough to find and fix everything

[visual ocean]

I'm about to startup my first nuclear factory, Might do some sinks before xD

[unique cypress]

eh, the gens act like sinks already

[visual ocean]

Im also doing the plut processing, so I'll have sink for wet concrete for sure

[unique cypress]

I have a pro tip for you: put the water extractors for the uranium-burning reactors on a power switch so you can turn them on/off on demand.

You can't test your waste recycling properly without having waste to process and if you messed something up, waste might start accumulating. Cutting off the water supply is the only way to quickly stop more waste from generating

[visual ocean]

Fair enough. I had special attention with the waste. The only way that messes up is if I end up with throughput issues transport something essential, which I still gotta test

[unique cypress]

Yeah, in my u8 nuke plant I had issues because the train supplying the sulfur was taking like 15 seconds too long to do a round trip. Thankfully, most of the sulfur goes to uranium rods, so I didn't have waste accumulating, but I still needed to add a second train.

Then I had issues with the nitrogen train, but mostly because I refused to use default stop settings. Ended up packaging it lol

[visual ocean]

i have some spaghetti, but atm I only need to get a train station built to get steel beams coming in. The sulfur is connected straight to the node and the nitrogen as well. I even piped the whole thing for later adventures

i really need to fix that belt. Yikes

[sullen light]

This is day 2 of overhauling my factory i was busy for a bit but i am now working on making my iron and copper production
image two is a layout of my factory when its finished
dark gray: factory floor
green: material entrence
yellow: energy production
black: coal
white: pipes
light gray: conveyers
red: smelting
purple: production
orange: storage

any tips or suggestions

[knotty hornet]

Save that coal for steel and use the coal near the lake to the NNW of you for power. There's more of it, and a big lake for more water.

But that also looks like a good plan

[vapid gorge]

seems fine? consider building in multiple floors. Makes planning a lot simpler able to connect many sections together

there's a lake with lots of coal to the NNW, perfect for power

use distant nodes for power, it'll leave nearby nodes for production.

also it's good to not get your power into your factories. Keeps mess away

[keen anchor]

Anyone here?

[rose ingot]

Fuvk math

[fringe seal]

plutonium nuclear plant: what alts are you using?

are defaults worth it

[wind spade]

"Worth it" depends on your preferences

[vapid gorge]

Depends on goal. I’ generally just want to get rid of the waste with least work and resources . Base recipes do that

If you want more p rods look at some of the alts

[unique cypress]

Defaults make less plutonium, alts make more. So it really depends which one you want

[deft lichen]

from my understanding, nuclear alts have more complicated inputs to save on uranium

so for small scale nuclear (<= 1 node), there's no advantage to using them

[crimson moat]

throwing more uranium at the problem is indeed gonna be easier unless you're capping out @ 2100/min

[austere yarrow]

Can anyone help me with water management in my aluminum production? im a little lost

[queen slate]

So, what's the problem?

[wind spade]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/1397218790122590208/image.png?ex=68d2a9e6&is=68d15866&hm=641a11a9373f2ff926562fa97888f4dbbea1031910f125403013885e3b3c0c8f&

[glass nacelle]

The 129 screws going into the assembler to make rotors...

If I don't have T3 belts, how else can I do this? Do I need to lower the iron input so the transport needs don't surpass 120 items pm?

[runic shore]

What website is this?

Satisfactory planner right?

Lovely thanks

[unique cypress]

it's 129 going into 2 assemblers. you can do that just fine with mk2 belts

[glass nacelle]

I can't manifold 129 items to 2 assemblers

[unique cypress]

plus even if the calc told you it's going to 1 assembler, you'd still need 2

[unique cypress]

you can? just use 2 manifolds

[glass nacelle]

I've never done 2 manifolds before. Is this just load balancing then?

[unique cypress]

well, because you have 2 machines and 2 belts, it's not really a manifold

just connect 2 screw constructor to 1 assembler, repeat for the other assembler

[glass nacelle]

I don't have 4 screw constructors, I have 5.

4 at 100%
1 at 77%

[unique cypress]

some of them are going to plates

[glass nacelle]

you're right

[unique cypress]

you might need a 6th constructor but it's not like it's an issue

[glass nacelle]

do you know of any tools that can help visualise this stuff?

I'm having a hard time piecing together how this is going to look

[unique cypress]

Modeler on Steam? but it doesn't really help with layout

there was one calculator that split belts into manifolds automatically, but I don't remember how it was called

gimme a few mins maybe it's on the wiki lost

[unique cypress]

satisfactoryproductionplanner.com

and Modeler

both can help, depending what you want exactly

[wind spade]

ingame is imo best

[glass nacelle]

ya boy doesn't have a jetpack yet

which makes it hard to step back and see everything from above

[wind spade]

don't need it. You have lookout tower practically from start

[glass nacelle]

yeah I don't find that fun, climbing towers to get an "ok" view of the factory where I can't quite see everything

[plucky tusk]

Yeah early game sucks dude

Idk why people wanna keep goin back

[queen slate]

Ladder costs 3 coupons.

And cargo containers have ladders too.

[plucky tusk]

So do most machines.

[austere yarrow]

Can someone please PM me about fluids? my aluminum production keeps backing up

[plain portal]

Storage hub

[sullen light]

day 3 of overhauling my factory
i made a lot of progress today remade my space elevator and hub
currently i am just waiting for the wood and leaves from clearing the area to turn into biofuel then solid so i have some space to place a assembler that will make smart plates
and i plan to add more coal generators once the solid biofuels done and space cleared
ill keep yall updated
(p.s i havent unlocked steel production yet)

[sour bison]

i am GENUINELY going to go insane.

[unique cypress]

Why would you ever put Plutonium rods and space elevator parts in the same factory

[sour bison]

im not, just going to export the cubes later

just did that so i would remember

[unique cypress]

It doesn't look that bad. I'd put the oil processing in an outpost, because that's almost definitely gonna all be built in one spot. And I'd use better recipes but ig 400 oil is not that bad; cutting it to 300 or 200 or w/e it'd be wouldn't be that helpful

[sour bison]

im doin it in the swamp

so big pipeline

[unique cypress]

There's an oil well south of the swamp

Just need a pressurizer

[sour bison]

yeah, gonna do that last

i hate pipelines

[unique cypress]

I built my advanced alu plant there, but it needs more oil than that node can provide. So I'll be pulling a pipeline from northwest. It's like a kilometer lol

[sour bison]

my train line is super close to the node

[pulsar notch]

using the swamp for aluminum is certainly making use of it, and I did that for my dune desert start (I used a train to transport it) though I had enough oil left over to make a sizable power plant, too, so you must have a huge aluminum plant.

[twilit mango]

guys I am planning my 2.0 factory and I used satisfactorytools.com to plan it however I am not sure how can I break it into smaller steps and actually build it because its pretty confusing
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=NOTuvVGuQGbJzKDrnHSt

and any tips if I should change anything in it?

[crimson moat]

Once you've found recipies/quantities that you want, you can lay things out much cleaner in Satisfactory Modeller (on steam)

that way you can get rid of the overlapping lines, and the production nodes which are going to multiple places that you don't want to build together

i recommend hunting down some more alt recipies also, particularly heavy encased frame

[twilit mango]

what are some of the must have recipes?

and is it possible to unlock every alt recipe in the game or is there not enough harddrives for that

[wind spade]

there's not really any "must have" recipe, but some recipes help you very often indeed. Depends a bit on what youpr preferences are

and yes, you can unlock all the recipes easily

[crimson moat]

For production items, heavy encased frame stands out as it makes HMF much simpler and cheaper. HMF is otherwise the most complex item of the early-midgame, and HMF builds a lot of stuff in the later game so it keeps paying off.

For oil, you can make much more fuel, plastic and rubber if you use the combo of [heavy oil residue] + [diluted packaged fuel] to create fuel, and [recycled plastic] + [recycled rubber] to convert fuel to plastic/rubber.

The oil stuff is a bit complicated but massively increases yield up to 800 fuel or plastic or rubber per 300 oil.

There are enough hard drives for every recipe, and it's best to keep up to date with all of the recipies as you go, rather than just unlocking them at the end. Grabbing a rifle and a jetpack with liquid biofuel to go drive/mercer/sloop hunting is a huge milestone for early P3.

[twilit mango]

well my friend got us some somersloops, mercerspheres and a few harddrives
but I guess I could go try to go find some too

can I import the satisfactorytools website into the app?

or I have to do everything manually

[crimson moat]

have to do manual

doesn't take long when you know what you want to build and how you want to build it (recipies) though

[wind spade]

tbh I'd build it directly ingame, modeller seems like an extra step

[twilit mango]

look at the link I sent, its very confusing

I don't know where to start

[wind spade]

at nodes

process ore, group machines so that next step gets exactly as it needs, etc.

[twilit mango]

do I just build a manifold into ton of smelters and then manifold into different machines?

[crimson moat]

w/ modeller you can turn it into something more like this which is much easier to split into discrete chunks and follow for each item (or group of items)

you can also model specific belt layouts, but i don't do that

[wind spade]

yes, that's usually easiest. You can also group them based on what next step needs, etc.

[vapid gorge]

create multiple tabs for outputs? simplest way

maybe group up a fwe that have similar parts?

[hexed temple]

What we thinking of this steel farm

Making a total of 810 steel per min

First playthru

[deft lichen]

looks organized

did you make those foundry setups yourself or is it a blueprint?

interesting way of filling resources

[hexed temple]

Myself

[hexed temple]

Wdym?

[deft lichen]

nevermind the caption, this is how I do it

[hexed temple]

I had 3 belts, made it anoyying so i gave up. This is how i usually do it

[hexed temple]

I think its good enough for phase 3

[deft lichen]

there's no need to rebuild functioning factories even if you unlock better tech, as long as they work

[hexed temple]

Agreed

[tall warren]

Just got to stage 4 for the first time, and decided to do a Heavy Modular Frame factory. It is the first time that I use satisfactorytools to anything in the game, and I spend like 4 hours doing this alone. Didn't start it (I have to connect the Iron, Limestone, and Coal to the fabric, but I also have to sleep), but it works.

I'm really happy with it, but I accept any advice for it aswell ʌ_ʌ

[deft lichen]

you could put the different groups of machines closer together or spread it between two floors, otherwise looks good

are you using alt recipes?

HMF is a sort of noob trap because the factory without alt recipes is 3x larger

[tall warren]

No. I have the alt recipe for screws that just takes iron to make, and I also have power shards that would make the factory a lot smaller but I was just feeling like doing it like this

[deft lichen]

all default https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=SeeTVxfZ77B6HMBESIRA
alts of choice https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=w9HUaPbkqoSUKAawTby1

look in the overview tab, the building count and resource usage

[tall warren]

I see it now

It actually might be a better option

I don't think I'm going to delete this one but next time I have to make a fabric for something about the space elevator that involves hmf I'm gonna use that

[deft lichen]

doesn't apply to just HMF, it's just very pronounced here

there's a general bias that using more alts reduces all factors (factory size, complexity, resource cost and power draw)

[tall warren]

Thanks, it is a good advice

[glass nacelle]

How on earth do I only send 73.548 iron ingots down a conveyor to the 5 constructors to keep it 100% efficient?

Or do I have the Iron Plate and Iron Rod constructors (7 constructors total) all on the same manifold line?

Would that even work?

[crimson moat]

they only pull what they need

for best results, smart splitter overflow

[glass nacelle]

So they would use 73.548 ingots per minute and the rest would simpy back up to the splitter and be sent the other way?

[crimson moat]

yeah

[glass nacelle]

That makes sense, thanks. So if I'm planning it out I should just round it up right?

[crimson moat]

ye

[glass nacelle]

Thanks :)

[unique cypress]

Disclaimer: this only applies when the factory has one output. With multiple outputs, which share at least 2 different ingredients, letting the factory figure things out by itself could lead to the outputs being produced in a slightly different ratio than planned. To prevent that, clock the machines making the output items to make exactly what the calculator says, and not more or less

[rare escarp]

the math isnt mathing

[glass nacelle]

Thanks for this. I'm using the clock speeds exactly how they're displayed so it should work in theory

I'm using satisfactory modeller on Steam to work the factory out using the plan given by satisfactory tools

[tropic hawk]

do you have power storages?

[unique cypress]

Hoverpack

[rare escarp]

ahhhhh

so thats why the orange line is going up and down

[tawny chasm]

that and efficiency

[rare escarp]

nvm

i have some annoying machine going off and on somewhere

was one water extractor that got full

nice and flat

[unique cypress]

lmao one. I have dozens

[crimson moat]

@glass nacelle disclaimer disclaimer: As long as the input is greater than the sum of consumption and no belt is overloaded, it will work out (i.e. the inputs will back up through the splitters and fill every machine, even one connected to 1/16'th of the belt will get 50% of the belt if that 50% has nowhere else to go)

You only have to worry about the ratio of how many inputs go where when the input is not enough to max out everything, because in that case it can starve unevenly and you don't want that (at least not too unevenly).

In this case, if your machines aren't going to throttle themselves (or do so quickly) then downclocking or a more advanced resource split (like splitting 60/60 into 75/45 as an easy approximation) is appropriate. Preferably just go unlock downclocking 10 mins into the game, and it will prevent that case of "A continually eats more than i want it to, starving B" with a much shorter delay and less splitter/merger/downranking math.

At scale though i literally have banks of 1200/min belts operating on the logic of "X will take what it needs and not more, eventually (because something will halt production)" and it actually does work. The main issue is that "eventually" could be in 1 hour or 10 hours and that's not fine in the early game where 1 hour is a long time.

It's also possible to build wrongly in a manner, particularly with sinks or large storage, to where you end up constantly overproducing and sinking A, and starve B for a very long time or forever. If you rely on resources spilling over from A to B, you have to ensure that A does in fact back up so that said spillover actually does happen.

[unique cypress]

well, yeah, with underclocking you can prevent the scenario I described.

But if you're for example doing this (https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=BP3SS7GaKSkLXdpjBCfr), you might end up not getting the exact outputs as set in tools if you just round up every step's machine counts. it all depends how exactly you set up the belts

but on the other hand, this (https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=MM1z0d84f8NBVgpeXvpA) would absolutely make exactly what tools says without touching the clock speed, regardless of the way the items are distributed (as long as the belts aren't a bottleneck ofc)

[crimson moat]

both of your links are the same

[unique cypress]

I wanted to avoid the long-ass links by doing a hyperlink but the message got nuked

apparently they aren't allowed here

[wind spade]

they are hardly long at least compared to SCIM's monstrosities

[crimson moat]

In this case my approach would be to allocate a certain number of ingots per min to each end product, and everything downstream from the smelter belongs exclusively to one product

that guarantees that all of those ingots are going to that item, and item A can't starve B, they'll be made based on how many ingots you allocated

[unique cypress]

then you still have to clock the smelters correctly (or use 2 miners ig). my point was that with one output, you can completely ignore clocking. at worst, you'll use more ore and create more output than planned. hardly an issue.

but with more than 1 output, and if you don't touch clock speed, you can get less of one and more of another. which may not be ideal

[crimson moat]

To finely control your production rate yes, but for 30 or 60 or 90 or 120 ingots etc you don't need clocking

but with more than 1 output, and if you don't touch clock speed, you can get less of one and more of another. which may not be ideal

If the input matches or exceeds consumption, then all machines will saturate and your production rate will be based on how many buildings are making which final products.

If it's less, they can indeed starve in an unequal and undesirable way

Either way it can be imbalanced for a while because throttling from backing up comes much later than throttling from clocks.

[unique cypress]

you're doing this. there is no excess input, because if you round everything up, 4 smelters is still 4 smelters. only 120 ingots total. the split between the outputs is not 60/60, nor is it between the 2 ingot consumers. there is no way to build this to make the exact specified outputs without either clocking or a ratio/rate splitter

[crimson moat]

The reason i actually use backing-up-throttling is because a lot of my machines are clocked higher than the desired average consumption

[crimson moat]

Those exact quantities yes. But if you use for example 60 ingots for Rotors and 60 ingots for RIPs, it all works out without clocking or ratio splitters. It's a solid earlygame method.

The inability to finely adjust production rate without more complexity is a weakness, but not a big one.

[unique cypress]

yeah, I would do this instead if I was actually building it. it doesn't use all 120 iron, but it makes the specific output without bothering with clocking or anything else. it just backs up and works exactly as designed.

[crimson moat]

ratio splitting or clocking does help earlygame production, ratio splitting moreso, because it takes a non-negligable amount of time for machines to fill their buffers and fill the buffers of the machines downstream. It can be hours to reach the stated production rate, whereas ratio splitting can hit max rate (or much closer to max) in a matter of seconds.

In the endgame though the difference between ratio splitting and clocking is almost irrelevant

in this case, splitting one of the smelters (so that 1.5 smelters go to plates, 2.5 to rods) would get the job done closely enough (75/45) that it's not worth more time and parts to make it any more better. That can feed 97% production immediately and 100% production eventually.

I like the "X ingots = Y part" method for the simplicity though. Less math, and so long as enough machines exist it will work at full rate but just might take a bit to get there.

[brisk smelt]

a non problem if you just build factories from the miner up

it fills along the way as you build

[crimson moat]

a fully fed iron plate constructor takes 5 minutes to fill itself, and will dump that inventory downstream when you connect it to something else and then likely take 20 minutes to back itself up again as it's partly draining. So no, it helps the problem a little but is far from a fix

[visual ocean]

Are the train freight transfer rates accurate?

[unique cypress]

after like an hour, should be

[visual ocean]

idk what's up then.. I have 2 plastic locations. One making 900 and another making like 100 something. I have 2 trains outputing there and still got in total around 500 or so..

[feral breach]

... maybe I should use steel instead 😄

or is 10 good enough for personal use? 😄

[unique cypress]

well, trains don't have infinite throughput. so depending on your setup, the max could be 500. idk

[unique cypress]

pretty sure I have 60 or 120

[feral breach]

this will be my first factory for it

guess I could bump it up to 16 by introducing bit of coal 😄

[unique cypress]

yeah, just checked, 60

[feral breach]

that sounds like a pain with MK3 belts 😄

considering just for 16 I need full 240 of limestone

[unique cypress]

well, EIBs are used both for mk4 belts, refineries, train stuff, fuel gens, power storage and probably something else I'm forgetting

I feel like 10/min is not gonna be enough for that

[feral breach]

I dont have any of that unlocked yet... so if I start stockpiling now into several industrial containers it might be enough for a long time before I revisit the factory 😄

[unique cypress]

I'm pretty sure I'm doing this for my personal steel fractory https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=cvH3s9tG0Tb4nmaNlmEH

[feral breach]

no quartz nearby and only MK3 belts so Ill just make the 10/m and start stockpiling it and hope for the best 😄

and once at higher Tier Ill revisit it properly

[unique cypress]

oh, I built it with only mk3 belts too. low belt speed is never a limiter, only an annoyance

[midnight eagle]

Hi i'm was making a Fuel Generator set-up according to the satisfactory tools screenshot, but for some reason the generators at the end don't get enough fuel.
I've tried pausing the generators untiil their reserves are saturated, the pipes are saturated, the blenders are saturated, the refineries are saturated, and then unpause them, everything will run smoothly for a couple of minutes and then the end ones will run out of fuel again.
Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong ?

[unique cypress]

you gotta check the machines and try to see where the issue is. find which step is the earliest that is missing resources. is it the fuel gens that are missing fuel, but the blenders are full of it, or are the blenders also empty, and it's the HOR that's full, etc

also, make sure you built the setup as tools said and that you have 320 gens and not more

[midnight eagle]

yeah I double checked I do have 20 gen long, 8 wide 2 high so I should be good on that end

[midnight eagle]

Yeah I haven't gone through each and every part of the factory as it's just huge, but focusing on one line of generators the Blenders are full with HOR and full with fuel, the refineries are fuel with HOR and full with crude oil idk what's the issue :/

[unique cypress]

if the blenders are full of fuel, but the gens are empty, then you don't need to check anything else. that means the issue is not with the lack of fuel, but with the fuel pipes

20 gens take 400 fuel/min. did you use mk2 pipes until at least the 5th gen?

[midnight eagle]

yep

[unique cypress]

check for any mk1 segments between the blenders and gens?

how much flow does the pipe say it has

[midnight eagle]

at which point in the pipeline ?

[unique cypress]

between the blenders and gens

just see if it looks like if it's 400 on average

or 300 or w/e

[midnight eagle]

Ok so : for one of the pipelines I think you hit the nail on the head it's going anywhere between 250-400 and the last two blenders are no longer saturated in HOR, the curious thing is:
A) the other pipeline goes anywhere from 300-500 and its generators still lack fuel
B) the refineries that produce the HOR for both pipelines that go to the blenders are saturated in HOR

[vapid gorge]

Can you show an overhead diagram of how 1 pipe has been laid out from blenders to gens pls? Might have to delete foundations

[crimson moat]

you're probably merging too much fuel together, fluid manifolds lose a lot of throughput due to sloshing

so you need to either avoid them or keep plenty of flow rate headroom in the pipes (like using 400m3/min on mk.2 pipe) to accomodate the sloshing

[crimson moat]

you are also connecting your input/output pipes to the end of the manifold, that is the worst possible place (highest amount of sloshing and flow restriction). Best is the middle, which essentially treats it like 2 manifolds that have half of the flowrate each.

[midnight eagle]

what's sloshing ?

[crimson moat]

Pipes are omnidirectional, so even if you want fluid to go from A to C for example it can flow from B to C instead, blocking the desired flow path. The same units of fluid can flow back and forth, counting against the flow limit multiple times.

[vapid gorge]

and how much fluid are you moving pm in each pipe?

[wind spade]

pipes aren't unidirectional (I assume it was a typo 😛 )

[midnight eagle]

in theory 400m^3/m in practice it's all over the place jumping from 100-600m^3/m

[vapid gorge]

yeah thats normal. That should give you a lot of leeway for mistakes. Is the pipe just 1 continuous long line the whole way ?

it doesn't connect to anything else?

[midnight eagle]

as in it could move from one generator to the main pipeline instead of from the main pipeline to the generators ?
if so could that be solved with valves on each generator ?

[wind spade]

never use valves

(unless you know what you're doing)

[vapid gorge]

even then

[crimson moat]

It can't be solved in that way because you can't valve a junction directly. You need to either split fluids evenly (so Y splitters, not manifolds) or leave flow rate headroom to accomodate sloshing.

[midnight eagle]

yeah 4 blenders merge into one pipe, I got 8 blenders in a row, half go up, half go down, it's a continous line for 20 generators

[knotty hornet]

You should use valves every 4 m on every pipe at all times

($)

[unique cypress]

I've built a similar setup before and it worked just fine. 400 m3/min is well below the mk2 limit but I did run mk2 pipes all the way

[vapid gorge]

ok the first thing to trial would be to put a bunch of fuel gens on standby then to let the whole system flood

standby half of them on one pipe. When that whole row of pipes and generators are full, turn them back on

sometimes just flooding a system will help stabalise it

[crimson moat]

yes there is something else wrong also

[vapid gorge]

that's the least work to possible solution right now. If that doesn't work can try somethign else

[midnight eagle]

I've done that and it does run smoothly for a few minutes but then the last generators run out of fuel after a while

[midnight eagle]

.

[vapid gorge]

ok step two, loop the manifold
Feed one of your lines like this

then, flood the system and try again

use mk2 pipes obvs

it helps manage back flow along pipes

[midnight eagle]

I could try that, but I thought the throughput was dependent on how full the pipes were, hence why saturating the pipes is a common fix ?

[vapid gorge]

full pipes mostly helps with back flow

[unique cypress]

but you're trying to cap out a mk1 pipe in 2 places, which is also not ideal

[midnight eagle]

should I feed it just at the beginning and at the end of the line or add a vertical junction every 3-4 generators ?

[crimson moat]

no vertical junctions

they always calculate connection heights incorrectly which causes flow issues and inconsistencies

ctrl f if you want to know more 😄

[unique cypress]

I say replace the mk1 pipes touching the mk2 with more mk2 and see if that helps (except those connecting directly to machines ofc)
maybe even a few mk1s on the generators side

[vapid gorge]

just begining and end

[midnight eagle]

allright I'll try that get back to you all

[vapid gorge]

Sometimes using mk1 feed pipes can help, but you really shouldn't need that in this situation

like it's weird enough that these 400 flow pipes are acting up

[knotty hornet]

And if all else fails, make a one-way pipe with shitloads of valves (/s)

[midnight eagle]

I'm currently waiting for everything to saturate, in the meanwhile let me double check whether what I did here is fine or if I need to have it go horizontally before having the vertical junction

[vapid gorge]

no that should be fine

some times if you're feeding the pipe from below you need to rework it, but feeding from the top or side is fine

[midnight eagle]

Also I imagine I have the same problem on the blenders end, I imagine I'll have to repeat the procedure there as well ?

[vapid gorge]

no, flow issues are almost always at the input side

[vapid gorge]

just a warning though, when you fix final stage fluid issues, you'll often find more fluid issues on the previous steps.

for example feeding from below like this often causes issues

[midnight eagle]

yeah I had to destroy and replace a few of them but after that water was never an issue again

I've unpaused the generators as everything was saturated, so far so good all is green, I'll wait and extra few minutes but I may very well have found a solution to my problem thanks to you guys !

[vapid gorge]

if you do start getting issues with the blenders starving I might just suggest you accept the system and let it run at 80-90%. It's not the worst thing for a power station since it's just power. And at worst it's a good learning experience

[midnight eagle]

oh yeah I'm already being overly dramatic, even though I'm only getting 60 GW instead of the 80 it supposed to be producing I'm not consuming nearly as much x)
I'm addicted to seeing everything work at an absolute, resolute, unshakeable 100% efficiency

[vapid gorge]

oh no that's totally reasonable. I make all my final permanent factories run at 100%

but going up the tiers, and learning the foundational skills? Probably worth while just to keep pushing forward

[midnight eagle]

also I am indeed getting the same problem with the blenders starving at the end of the manifold...
but at least now I know why x)

[vapid gorge]

yeah that happens :\ once you fix the final fluid step, any issues with the previous fluid step rears it's head :\

[midnight eagle]

Yeah I've rushed the milestones and phases up until the point at I am now, but I figured I may as well set up the perfect generator factory so that I don't have to touch that again (I don't wanna deal with nuclear waste)

[vapid gorge]

nuclear waste is honeslty pretty easy.

very simple to store, and not bad to process

60gw is easily enough to finish phase 5 though

I did it on 30 last time

[midnight eagle]

also I'm wanting to upgrade it to turbofuel/rocket fuel, but I don't want to have conveyor belts/pipelines running accross the map for miles on end and I'm not good enough at the train/railway area of the game to rely on that instead

[vapid gorge]

drones work fine. imo RF is ... awful. You just get endless fields of fuel gens.

have 100 nuclear gens instead of 1000 fuel

also... you can always just do more Diluted fuel.

fuel to turbo to rocket effectively just converts other resources to oil

[brisk smelt]

it isnt too bad if you cube them up

10x10x10 cube of gens

625GW cube

[vapid gorge]

it's still boring and bland

and a giant fucking cube

[brisk smelt]

i mean nuclear plants is just also a flat field of gens and extractors in the ocean

[vapid gorge]

you have a lot more options when you have a lot fewer nuclear gens

a lot of people do keep doing a field though. Some people can't make the leap from 2d to 3d

[brisk smelt]

nuclear gens and their two accompanying extractors are like the same size almost

and you don't have the option to build upwards with nuclear

unless you're mad in the head

[midnight eagle]

I was bout to say that it's been a while and everyting seems to work fine... and then half the generators went down x)

[vapid gorge]

you can easily put 4 extractors under 1 nuclear gen and have at least 2 floors w/o any creative design ideas

[vapid gorge]

guessing your blenders are crashing it this time

[midnight eagle]

yep

[vapid gorge]

look, you could repipe all of your blenders, but I'd just accept the power drop

because its possible you'd have to repipe the step before THAT as well

[midnight eagle]

repeated the operation but idk if I did something wrong or if I need to pause the generators again...
I'll try tomorrow

[vapid gorge]

you're still bottom feeding here

that's often murder on a system

it's difficult to manage bottom feeding even when you know what you're donig

[midnight eagle]

well the refineries are not starved of crude oil, if anything they are overflowing with HOR however the blenders are starved of HOR i'm guessing my little operation fucked up somewhere

[midnight eagle]

again, that's the water and that's not at issue here

these are for the ones you circled

[vapid gorge]

oh sure, but if the blenders start running properly you might find the water isn't keeping up xD

[midnight eagle]

ah x)

[vapid gorge]

same as when you got the fuel running properly, suddenly you had the previous step showing issues

[midnight eagle]

the blender thing did show up a bit after the generators started to starve

I wish it were as simple as the math is in the planning x)
-> 600 m^3/m crude oil into 20 refineries -> 800m^3/m HOR into 16 blenders -> 1600 m^3/m fuel into 80 generators, the whole thing times 4 and bobs your uncle

[vapid gorge]

liquids have gravity preference.
It's not actually hard when you know the basics

[midnight eagle]

why won't it floooow ?

[vapid gorge]

NONE of your pipes are full, doesn't even look like hte extractors are on

[vapid gorge]

would have to see the layout of the pipes from HOR refs to Blenders, but you've got it mostly covered up I think

[bleak turret]

ok wait you were correct with the extractor, the one extractor I had was turned off (power grid from my biomass shut off with no notification)

but still, my biomass burner is immediately shutting off when feeding into the water extractor

[midnight eagle]

Blender side

refinery side

[vapid gorge]

blender side looks ok??? but ... hard to tell sorry :\ If I got in there I could probably figure it out but it's very hard to tell what is goign on exactly :\

I believe part of the original plan you linked also had plastic and rubber production?

[midnight eagle]

yep, all that looks grand, the only reason it's not running at 100% is because some of the refineries are saturated with HOR and hence can't produce resin

[vapid gorge]

yeah, one of the reasons to completely unlink factory item production from power.

[midnight eagle]

here's my save (deleted as not allowed in the rules) if you wanna investigate, the factory is on the western oil islands

I'm gonna head to bed but thank you to you all for the help

[wind spade]

just fyi, sharing saves (or basically any files) is forbidden by #rules

[midnight eagle]

whoops

should I delete that ? (I don't want to knowingly break the rules but that may be seen as trying to cover up my mistake which is not my intention)

[wind spade]

I'd just delete it. You can always DM it to the person (if they agree)

[midnight eagle]

sir yes sir

[vapid gorge]

I'm not going to have time to unfortunately xD

[solar junco]

why is save file sharing against the rules tho?

[dusky dust]

Too difficult to moderate and check for viruses or other undesirable content

That rule's surprised many a person; it's not really an obvious one for most folks, IMO. :)

[vapid gorge]

which just shows computer literally really hasn't sky rocketed like everyone thought it was going to back in the 2000s.

[pastel hawk]

yo someone figures this out for me how many smart plating can I get with one pure iron node

[vapid gorge]

work backwards to figure out how much iron it takes to make 1, then go from there

[vapid gorge]

or use a planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

you're going to have to get used to being able to do basic maths though

[unique cypress]

111.687/min
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=oZTqUNST1Qrl01IpEKJj

[pastel hawk]

okay its basic but I didnt feel like doin it

[pastel hawk]

ty

[vapid gorge]

I'm not sure you looked at the plan they sent you xD I doubt you have mk6 belts yet

[pastel hawk]

I have mk2!

[vapid gorge]

also, this is the most basic of things to figure out. rip

that probably isn't a useful plan for you then

[pastel hawk]

I didnt feel like doing it man.

[vapid gorge]

oh I know, but this is a core part of the game. If you don't feel like doing it you're probably in the wrong place

but gl

[pastel hawk]

I dont feel like doin the math currentyl

[solar junco]

you can make 5 per minute max

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[tame obsidian]

new world, first time with a 100% efficient factory

[tame obsidian]

is this a good amount of steel resources for mid game? Am I going to need more or is this enough pipes/beams per min?

[brisk urchin]

for personal use, i believe you will never need more

[rocky cypress]

I am confused on this step

So I got the rubber from the previous step, do I then feed that and make recicled plastic and then use that plastic to feed it back to the recicled rubber refinery to produce more rubber to then feed it back and make more recicled plastic?

You can see how it is confusing me 🥲

[wind spade]

yes, you cycle it back and forward

basically the two recipes convert fuel to plastic/rubber

[rocky cypress]

Very simple process they say 😛 But I will run the numbers and make it work 🫡

[oblique hollow]

If you subtract the recycling , it basically turns fuel to rubber or plastic 1:1

Its a bit more than 1:1 if you use external rubber and plastic inputs

But usually its not worth it to mix in the extra residual rubber

[sullen light]

day 4 of overhauling my factory:
the biofuels still turning into solid biofuel
but i am working on getting steel production so i can make powerlines leading to my main factory
and i have plans to make a quartz factory along with a power station
and i need steel production to unlock explosives to add caterium to my factory
and once again feel free to suggest anything you feel will help or just tips in general

[fallow siren]

if you cant wait for explosives, theres another caterium node not far around the waterfall

[sullen light]

update: I converted all the landscaping wood and leaves to solid biofuel
...all of these containers have biofuel 3 of which are full

[rocky cypress]

I have 88 GW being produced by turbofuel. Is it worth to jump to using rocket fuel? And then Ionized? Or do I stick to Turbo and go to nuclear?

[pulsar valve]

I don’t know

[knotty hornet]

Rocket fuel is worth it, ionized is not (primarily because synthetic power shards are kinda costly)

Ionized is nice to have for your jetpack though.

[upbeat summit]

uhh i don't understand, why am i producing rubber, to produce plastic and then rubber again??

[unique cypress]

because that's the most efficient way to do it?

[upbeat summit]

hmmm yeah i had to set up the refinery and see what's happening, it's indeed the most efficient

[dusky dust]

Yeah, the Recycled loop is pretty wild the first time you run into it

[unique cypress]

the biggest issue with the power shards is the power cost, not even the resource cost. it makes ionized completely useless for power without a large APA boost

[crimson moat]

Ionized is power-positive with reasonable setups, it's just not power positive enough to be chasing it and spending resources on it

[knotty hornet]

Exactly, that's why I recommended it for jetpack use.

[dusky dust]

I don't think it's possible to make Ionized power-positive compared to the Rocket Fuel input, is there? (At least outside of underclocking shenanigans)

[crimson moat]

With default tools recipies (aside from converter), ionized pays 879mw to turn 2400mw of RF into 3333mw of Ionized. So net positive +54mw, or +2.25%.

With aggressive underclocking, +494mw or +20.5%

[dusky dust]

It's net-power-positive from a production standpoint, sure, but you've always got more power if you'd've just burnt the RF instead

[crimson moat]

Nope (see above numbers)

It doesn't make sense for power burning without Augmentors or sloops though. Just burning the coal used in the diamonds for power shards would generate +630mw, so you need to run machines below 10% clock just to break even with that, and then it's still consuming some quartz and stuff.

It's really shining as a premium vehicle/jetpack fuel, and with APA's. Spending 400-900mw and some coal to turn 7200mw into 10,000mw is not terrible

[azure radish]

is there a pipe GOD hanging around?

[wind spade]

why are you asking?

[azure radish]

I've built a maaassive rocket fuel plant, and ive been through some of issues that have presented itself. And i think it'll be alright now... but im having some doubts >.<

[dusky dust]

A #1038092680493801533 thread with some photos of the setup is probably your best bet if you do want input

Though since it's already built, you might just want to watch it run for awhile and see if it happens to be good to go. :)

[azure radish]

Thats what ive been doing and fixing the small issues and or mistakes i did… i’m very familiar with the pipe manual and stuff… so i kinda figures it be smooth sailin from the get go, but i was wrong 😂 we’re just talking very minor throughput issues, besides that its been running great, but 1-2 gens have been starting and stopping every 600 line

Think i got it down now though

[feral breach]

Any more... sane path to 10 motors? 😄

looking at this Im probably open to only making 2-5 for my first factory 😄

[crude estuary]

Hpw can i split 2 inputs to 18 inputs

[knotty hornet]

I would remove the copper section

[knotty hornet]

2 -> 6 -> 18

Split each line, then split each line again

I assume they all gotta be even?

[crude estuary]

ye but i have 2 brances 1 with 12 lines and 1 with 6 lines of inputs

[knotty hornet]

1 -> 2 -> 4 -> 12
and
1 -> 2 -> 6

[misty rampart]

Hello, did someone make a optimal setup for all the ores on the maps using the most "efficient" alt recipe for produce the max amounts of coupons points/min?

[thorn trail]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink/Theoretical_maximum_of_points

[young fulcrum]

Does anyone have good data about how much ionized fuel it takes for a drone to cross the map? Trying to figure out how much I should make for a fuel depot

[covert iris]

I need a little help, I have 40 refineries all with Heavy Oil residue alternate, This outputs 1600/m. 40 Per Machine. Whats the best way to organise the output pipes for maximum efficiency and as little problems as possible, This is part of a Rocket Fuel Factory.

They are laid out out like so. Should I have several groups of underfilled pipes, or just have 2.67 full pipes?

[knotty hornet]

Definitely more underfilled ones. Make 4 groups of 400.

[covert iris]

Ok will do, Thanks 😄

[twilit mango]

is there a block in satisfactory that lets you split conveyor into lets say
20% 65% and then 15%

or do I have to play with mergers and splitters

[knotty hornet]

You'll have to build a custom splitter setup for that

[twilit mango]

shit

thats gonna take so much space

[knotty hornet]

But the real question is, do you need that?

[twilit mango]

yes I do

[vapid gorge]

just manifolds

it'll self balance

[twilit mango]

because how am I supposed to grab 5 output from the factory to go into storage

[vapid gorge]

smart splitter overflow

[twilit mango]

if I put it at end of manifold it will take 5 years to finally end up in the box

no?

[vapid gorge]

not really. Screw or wire manifolds take some time to spin up but most only a few minutes

and you can always go do something else while that is happening.

Your other option is to just clock a dedicated machine to output items directly into storage

Clocking is your single most powerful logistic tool in the game, don't forget it

[twilit mango]

what is clocking

[knotty hornet]

Can you round those percentages to sixths, and do a six-way split/re-merge?

[twilit mango]

I need 5x ironplate, 5iron rebar, 5 rotor, 5 ironrod and 4 modular frame as outputs into my storage boxes

[vapid gorge]

in the MAM you unlock the ability to set the production speed of machines, from 1% to 250%

[knotty hornet]

(Power slug tree)

[twilit mango]

the monitoring?

oh I have most of the stuff

[vapid gorge]

if you don't want to use a splitter for overflow, clock a machine that produces what yo uneed

[twilit mango]

manually?

they are all connected in manifold

[vapid gorge]

so in this example of the image, you could set a machine to produce 4 mfs pm, directly to storage,

[vapid gorge]

that's fine

[knotty hornet]

Ah, a fellow purple enjoyer

[vapid gorge]

well it seems like you've already built everything. Best bet is just over flow to storage

[twilit mango]

some machines arent even working for some reason

[vapid gorge]

could be anything sorry, hard to see what is going on. Missing a belt connection, going over throughput of belts?

maybe the manifolds haven't spun up yet? don't know how long it's been going

[twilit mango]

rn I made it so all the finished products go into sink

so I can see where the bottleneck is

[vapid gorge]

well look at the non functioning machines, are they clogged or starving?
if starving follow the belt back and see if there's a throughput issue
if clogged go forward and look for the blockage

[twilit mango]

if one output is filling another manifold more than the other, like not perfectly balanced

that could cause issues right

welp one of the lifts was mk1 not mk4

[vapid gorge]

not sure what you mean

a manifold only cares about 2 things

1. enough parts per min for the system that it's feeding
2. a fast enough belt

[vapid gorge]

often the culprit 🙂

[twilit mango]

ill see if it runs better now

[vapid gorge]

a good reason to only keep your fastest belts in your hot bar

[covert iris]

Worked out very nicely. Summed it to 4 Lines. So its all perfectly balanced from both ends.

[knotty hornet]

Nice

[twilit mango]

how do u make curves like that

[knotty hornet]

Patiently

[twilit mango]

with iron beams?

[covert iris]

I start with 1 foundation and offset them by 1 degree per foundation

Then zoop them back 10, then just fill in the gaps with asphalt

[twilit mango]

how do u offset by a single degree

[covert iris]

I use Infinite Nudge mod

[twilit mango]

oh mods..

[covert iris]

You can do it vanilla

You have to do it with beams or barriers, Just more time consuming and probably prone to being misaligned.

[vapid gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI3ZM4Zzhqs&t=141s

[twilit mango]

how should I balance it so I can actually get 5 screws per minute not the whole machine just overflowing into my storage and when it has space in the machines nothing goes in

2 lines of screws 350 and 384

I need 354 into one manifold and 375 into another

[vapid gorge]

smart splitter, over flow

you also don't need screws to build anything so don't really need to store them

[twilit mango]

already did something like that, its still stuttering

and not making enough reinf iron plates

I can't find whats wrong with it

[vapid gorge]

one of hte issues of building so compact 🙁 you probably either mathed what's going on a belt wrong or have another mk1 belt piece somewhere

[fringe seal]

2.64 per min apparently

[vapid gorge]

In the future I’d recommend testing out sections as you go

[twilit mango]

apparently the guy I built with he accidently split the lower load belt instead of the higher one

[oblique hollow]

<@&387163995947270144>

Multiple channels affected

[crimson moat]

Yeah, 3/min/drone is pretty safe

with more data, a 2.5 avg might be fine

[steady gate]

iron plant go brrrrr

making about 50k iron ingots/min anything to use it for?

[modest zealot]

Uhh

Hmf

[wind spade]

why make them if you don't yet have use for them?

[steady gate]

fun

yeah thats about it, fun

[wind spade]

I'd keep them as ingots until you need them then

[steady gate]

though i feel like it can be greatly improved cuz i did make some small mistakes with the production lines

[steady gate]

true true i have been using some to get iron rods and iron pipes for nuclear stuff

[burnt folio]

what's with the spam today?

[steady gate]

<@&387163995947270144> ?

[steady gate]

idk its pretty annoying XD

[burnt folio]

like that's the second time in what, 30 minutes?

[steady gate]

idk havent kept a timer running

(also thanks for deletion for the mod/manager in question)

[burnt folio]

very low traffic in #design-and-architecture , between the recent ping I did and the one before that was about 40 minutes xD

[steady gate]

damm

[twilit mango]

theoretically, if I make manifold out of smart splitters and put "any" on exit and "overflow" on the exit that goes into next same setup smart splitter, would it be better than normal manifold or worse

it would make sure machines are always full in order but would other machines at the end even would get enough

[oblique hollow]

Unless you do something special with that manifold, it wouldnt work worse or better

[twilit mango]

special as in?

[oblique hollow]

Odd things like merging in stuff in the middle and trying to balance and whatnot

In such cases there may be a merit to using smart splitters

But for plain normal manifolds it does not matter much

[wind spade]

that's normal in large servers like this

[pure gate]

They again changed the way they post the messages, so we needed to adapt the filters 🙂

We should ™ be good for now

[visual ocean]

Thats very helpful ngl

Can it be blueprinted?

[unique cypress]

It changes fill time and that's about it

[vapid gorge]

Sections coukd I guess?

[visual ocean]

All this because i forgot to upgrade a lift belt on my concrete production xD

I followed the water tip tho. So i can turn that off but i want to see if this "heals" alone

[crimson moat]

can reduce the delay to 100% output quite a lot

but that only really matters for the final stage of production

because producing more items earlier counterbalances it otherwise

[unique cypress]

by ~30-50% I found

[deft lichen]

injection manifolds are "odd"? I use them all the time

[oblique hollow]

Eeeeh i meant more "if you do really odd injection manifolds with uneven inputs" where normal splitter behaviour might not work out well

[wind spade]

injection manifold is separate manifolds with extra steps

[deft lichen]

I'd argue they're the most space-efficient solution

[wind spade]

I'd argue that saving space in a game with practically infinite space is pointless 😛

[deft lichen]

I enjoy it

it's like designing PCBs

[wind spade]

(but even then - it's only space efficient in some cases, not always)

[deft lichen]

or, specifically, I like to do ratio splitting by clocking and grouping machines by their outputs, and that's easier to do if I don't have them grouped by inputs too

[plucky tusk]

It depends on the split but most injections are just an excuse to use a prio merger

At least for me

[wind spade]

injection manifolds don't necessarily need prio mergers

[deft lichen]

I remain unconvinced they're mostly useless

(other than for balancers, which are also mostly useless)

[unique cypress]

A balancer with a prio merger is not a balancer

also, how dare you

[deft lichen]

[vapid gorge]

injection manifolds are just multiple manifolds linked up
you can, in some situations, reduce your machine count a little bit assuming you're overclocking everything to max or near max clocking

but unless you're clocking everythign to 250 or near 250... it doesn't really do anything

[deft lichen]

not really, consider a situation where a full belt would fill 3.25 machines

assuming no OC and 4 belts, that's 4x3.25 = 13 machines with an injection manifold, but 4x4 = 16 machines with separate manifolds

[plucky tusk]

idk idont overthink it that much if a manifold requires more than a full belt it becomes an injection

[deft lichen]

point is that you don't have to merge it

you can just have two manifolds

that means not having to figure out where the injection points are, but more dealing with clock speeds and more buildings

[unique cypress]

I don't overthink it either, if I have more than one belt total, I just add a balancer

it just works, and at minimal building count too

[plucky tusk]

Ik lol

Its more just build style than funcionality

[wind spade]

but also much more freedom in placement of those 4 manifolds, instead of having to link them together

[knotty hornet]

We have options for a reason

Sometimes, one will work better; other times, another

Depends primarily on constraints.

[unique cypress]

@gray flower

priority merge residual rubber with recycled rubber, with residual having higer priority

then smart splitter with "any" to recycled plastic and "overflow" as the output

if you're not outputting plastic, you don't need a smart splitter for it

it can all go to recycled rubber

[gray flower]

so something like that 🙂

[unique cypress]

the important part is that the belt between the priority merger and smart splitter on the rubber line has to handle all of it

so if you have multiple lines of output, you need multiple setups
depends on your max belt speed

[gray flower]

i have 2 lines

i could do 3 but then it has problems in game

[unique cypress]

you can have however many you want as long as it's more than the bare minimum

you just need to build it right

[gray flower]

yes i do

What to place first

[gray flower]

can u show me how to build it later?

I’ll do it later

[gray flower]

I need to see how it’s done and ya

[keen condor]

if anyone here can help with #1420890269867446363 id appreciate it

[orchid brook]

ok so this might sound crazy but i think end game is kinda simple like ya gatthering the stuff is a pain in the @$$ but the math its somewhat simple or mabey its cuz i have alummunuim and plactic already done in there own factoryies

[vapid gorge]

none of hte maths is really hard. Just arithmatic. Especially if you use a proper planner

[orchid brook]

and again i havent done this in game like i am no where close to starting but the planning its ezy idk why everyone is overhypying it

[vapid gorge]

I mean modeler is a layout program and apparently you found it ok

[orchid brook]

i dont like satisfactory tools cuz it uses random recipes i dont like

[vapid gorge]

that's why you check and uncheck recipes to craft your plan. Which you would have to select no matter what calculator you use

how is it the program's fault if you tick every recipe?

it's like tossing a bunch of peanuts into a meal and then complaining there are peanuts.

[orchid brook]

not in that way, satisfactory tools try to use an even amount of everything and when i want for example to use more copper so i can save in other progjects i cant control that + when i use modler it just feels more rewerding that i made that myself

like lets say there are 2 turbo motor recipes the first one uses more alumunim and the other copper so tools will try and use both

[vapid gorge]

so.. don't check both

this often happens when you have multiple recipes and try 'maximise'

Don't maximise. Work backwards.

or don't have both recipes checked.

if you actively add a bunch of recipes you don't like to it's list of possibilities you can't complain when it tries to use them

[orchid brook]

look both are realy good for ex you preffer tools i like modler that what makes it fun everyone has there own way of playing

[vapid gorge]

I mean sure, but your complaints about tools is the fact that you keep stabbing yourself in the face and you don't enjoy it.

stop stabbing yourself in the face and I'm sure you'd find it much more useful

[orchid brook]

just to clarify i use tools i used it for plactic and rubber as welll as rocket fuel and space elvetor part 3 and other random stuff

[wind spade]

Usually it only uses one. Are you using the maximise mode?

[orchid brook]

i give it the stuff i already have + how many i want and check both recipes cuz i wanna know which one is more efficient and then it uses both

[wind spade]

Oh, if you're using "input", then tools consider that "free", so it first tries to use input before any raw resources

[orchid brook]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh well that would have been helpfull 1h ago

[vapid gorge]

that seems like the common sense approach. You wouldn't add an input you didn't want used

[twilit mango]

is turbofuel worth messing around with or should I just fill all fuel gens with normal fuel instead

like is it worth the time

[wind spade]

I'd say that half of people here would tell you yes and half no

"Worth" in this game almost always depends on your preferences

[sullen light]

day 5 of overhauling my factory
i have unlocked a caterium node that was blocked off by a rock, now i need to revamp the factory to cater caterium
and also i will make a new factory for steel production
and start making the main power generators once i get powerlines

[twilit mango]

I calculated that with 600 crude oil input I can power 26.6 fuel gens for 6500+ MW

so im prob not gonna mess around cuz just lazy

[vapid gorge]

Sky factories tend to be pretty obnoxious to send all the materials to

[knotty hornet]

He is just above ground level

[vapid gorge]

Use oil to heavy residue alt to diluted fuel, way more power

[knotty hornet]

You can see the miners on the ground in the back

[sullen light]

yeah its just a bit above ground so ill need to add ramps to make smoother belts

[fierce ruin]

Remember to automate 480 fabric a minute

[knotty hornet]

Lifts?

[twilit mango]

dont have diluted fuel

[fierce ruin]

And vehicles

[sullen light]

oh yeah

[knotty hornet]

Go get it

[twilit mango]

its not like its a candyshop that gives me what I want

[knotty hornet]

Okay you right lol

[twilit mango]

600 crude oil
30 crude x 20 = 800 heavy oil/ 400 polymer resin
800 H-oil / 60 = 13.3333 refinery

533.33 fuel output
26.666 fuel gens

240 polymer + 80 water = 80 plastic

160 polymer + 160 water = 80 rubber

[knotty hornet]

Looks right to me

Of course, that 533⅓ would be 1600 if you get diluted fuel

[twilit mango]

mmm

thats 3x

[knotty hornet]

Exactly

Might be worth a hard drive hunt

You got fuel and ammo, yeah?

[twilit mango]

yeah

almost all mam trees unlocked and phase 4

[knotty hornet]

Then you are now officially a member of F.E.E.T. 🫡

[twilit mango]

the what

[knotty hornet]

Forward Exploration and Examination Team

Go forth and explore

[vapid gorge]

I’d find both recipes before making fuel power. Very worthwhile

[twilit mango]

ill just redo later if I should get the recipe

rn I just wanna get power and continue building my factory

[upbeat summit]

so in my al factroy, i need this much copper ingots, i am making them at the source and transporting ingots via train, but the problem is that not even mk5 belts can transport this much ingots into the train, any possible workarounds for this? should i set up 2 stations and distribute the output into 4 lines or run a single belt all the way upto the factory?

[deft lichen]

you can use more than 1 belt

and have multiple freight cars for one resource

keep it on 3 belts and use 2 or 3 freight cars

[upbeat summit]

that will mess up the order as its not only this, but quartz, caterium ingots and iron ingots as well being transported

[deft lichen]

add another freight car to the back...?

you shouldn't assume each resouce will always use 1 freight car

[upbeat summit]

can't a train support only 4 cars?

[crimson moat]

add another locomotive to the train

[upbeat summit]

else it slows down

[deft lichen]

it can support way more

[deft lichen]

unnecessary

1 loco should be able to handle 6 freight cars even on long 2m ramp slopes

[upbeat summit]

oooh

[crimson moat]

depends on the incline/speed doesn't it? From what i heard, 1:4 always works but 1:5 doesn't.

[deft lichen]

the locomotive to freight car ratio depends on how steep and long your slopes are

[upbeat summit]

my train network is mostly level, so i'll just do that, thanks

[deft lichen]

on a flat track, 1 locomotive can pull even 20 freight cars

[crimson moat]

does it take longer to get up to speed or slow down though

[deft lichen]

the 1:4 ratio is just typically used because it also means the train accelerates fast

[upbeat summit]

i see, i'll just add another car to it

thanks

[wind spade]

I mean worst case you'd add another station and train 🙂 there's nothing limiting you

[deft lichen]

from the top of my head, a long "3m ramp" slope achievable with beams requires a 1:3 ratio

[upbeat summit]

true

also do you guys use any method to calculate how many trains are needed on the network, the "train is needed if the items are over before the train comes back" works, but then i will be without items and stall the machines

[wind spade]

my rule of thumb:

• one belt/pipe per platform (with buffers for loading unloading)
• one train
• if the train is not enough, add another train

works in 99% of cases

[crimson moat]

I'l have to do some testing. They did also make rails much more flexible in 1.1

[deft lichen]

Sevrahn did some testing before 1.0, we don't have the results down comprehensibly for ...reasons

a table detailing the required ratios would be excellent to put on the wiki

[vapid gorge]

Ass mod reasons

[wind spade]

some estimations will be fine, but I think it depends on too many parameters to trully define it for all cases

[upbeat summit]

how accurate is this - https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1nej7d1/a_train_throughput_calculation_chart/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[wind spade]

it may be accurate, but with the approach I've suggested you don't need to do any math or anything 🙂

[upbeat summit]

alr, i'll do that only

i think 2 trains might suffice will add more if necessary

[wind spade]

and running close to limit isn't recommended anyway - if your train slows down for whatever reason (e.g. another train in the way when you later connect more rails), you can have throughput issues

[upbeat summit]

yes true

[wind spade]

imo one train would suffice for most cases (but again, depends on a lot of factors)

[upbeat summit]

yeah the time to take for a round trip is big as it has to stop at like 4 stations and then at the main factory

so i'll go with 2

[wind spade]

eh, I'd recommend making a train to only go between two stations

but it's your choice obviously

[upbeat summit]

even if they are on the same network?

[wind spade]

what's the train doing? sending different resources to different places?

[upbeat summit]

a part of the network, only collecting copper and caterium

and others are also in series

[wind spade]

well, this is going into very subjective topic, so keep in mind what I'm saying is just my recommendation and definitely not one way to play

I'd personally not have stations on main line, and have one train going from each station to where you're moving all of this

[upbeat summit]

Ohh I see

Hmm I could reroute things

Alr thanks for the advice

[wind spade]

though your solution is also valid 🙂

[deft lichen]

well right now we have nothing

perfect is the enemy of the good

I'd rather have a table covering only some cases or that gives a general idea than no table

[deft lichen]

train stations give a penalty to the pathfinding, so if you build a track around it, it will be preferred despite being longer

but for new stations, you want the main line to be straight and the station to the side, of course 😛

[unique cypress]

I mean it's basically physics from what I've seen. The only issue is that forces on the train depend on its speed

But you could definitely make speed vs angle curves for different loco:car ratios. Maybe even both full and empty

Needs some digging in the code tho

[deft lichen]

I would assume that all freight cars are full

[unique cypress]

I mean it's a reasonable assumption cause that's a worst case scenario, but I've had rail setups with slopes that only had empty cars going up and full ones only going down

[deft lichen]

I mean, it won't hurt to have the numbers

the table should really just answer what's the maximum ratio for 3m, 2m, 1m slopes

not sure how measurable it is for a flat track

the failure condition for slopes is that it simply can't reach the top

but the slope length could be considered too, a long train could overcome a steep 100m slope but not a 1km one (there's a breaking point past which it can climb any distance)

[glass nacelle]

With only Mk2 belts, how do I get 129 screws per minute into 2 assemblers? :/

[deft lichen]

nothing says you have to merge everything to 1 belt

have 2 groups of constructors, each group making exactly enough screws for 1 assembler

or alternatively, have the constructors as listed with clock speeds 100 + 100 + 77.4 + 100 + 100, split 77.4 in half, merge each half with two 100 constructors

screws are overhated because people try to merge and manifold everything the same way all the time, all it takes is a slightly different approach

[unique cypress]

I'd first want speed vs angle graphs tbh. See how they look.

I'd also consider the failure condition to be dropping below a certain speed, not not being able to make it up at all. Nobody wants a train limping up a slope at 10 km/h

But I'd first have to see the speed angle curves to say anything else. It's entirely possible that they're very sharp and if a train makes up at all, it's basically guaranteed to make it up at a decent speed

[deft lichen]

afaik trains won't limp like that, either they can maintain a reasonable speed or grind to a halt

[unique cypress]

I could make them, if someone digs up the formulas for me, cause I'm completely not confident in being able to read C++ code

[deft lichen]

graphs would be excellent, but we'd need a mod to record the data

given it uses UE's physics system, it's unlikely we'll be able to datamine or calculate it ourselves

[deft lichen]

technically, the table can just... list the lowest speed, not just the ratio

[glass nacelle]

Sorry to interrupt guys

[deft lichen]

how did you get such ugly numbers of items per minute

[glass nacelle]

lol is this not normal?

Is it better to set the desired output to be a whole number rather than the input?

[unique cypress]

The issue is that it's a 3d table. Number of locomotives, number of wagons, and angle. Like what about a 2-5 train? What angle of slope can that climb?

[wind spade]

two belts?

[unique cypress]

Yes

[deft lichen]

it's avoidable using the so-called 45-81 rule, typically setting the target to multiples of 45 (81 for some oil setups) will produce non-repeating decimals

ah, you're maximizing a node, that explains it

[unique cypress]

Though not necessarily a whole number item/min output. Whatever a whole number of machines makes is usually better

[deft lichen]

setting it to 5/min or 4.5/min should yield much prettier numbers

[wind spade]

not really - whole numbers are imo pointless to optimise for, there's no real difference apart from the number being "nicer"

[deft lichen]

yeah, it's a choice, but I personally like it

[glass nacelle]

better

So to solve this, I need to send 125 screws to 3 assemblers instead of 2?

[wind spade]

you make two belts, each having the exact amount of screws that the assembler needs

one will need 100, one will need 25

(if you build two, one clocked at 25%)

[glass nacelle]

i see, rather than merging them

[wind spade]

there's almost never a reason to merge things if you're splitting them afterwards anyway

direct input combined with clock speed is a very powerful tool

[glass nacelle]

@wind spade but screw output is 40pm and rotors require 25pm, and they're not divisible, meaning i'd have an inefficiency with the 100% assembler no?

[wind spade]

you can clock the screw constructors too

[deft lichen]

@unique cypress do you know how to properly build a "3m ramp" track? I got the beam down, but there's no grid alignment, neither can I extend the beam

I've literally never used beams

[glass nacelle]

yeah I've got the instruction to build 4 100% screw constructors and 1 62.5%

the screws go two ways, one perfectly 60pm to reinforced iron plates
the other way, 125pm to rotors

I'm just struggling to see how to send 60 screws one way and 125 screws the other way, because the constructors don't output numbers divisible by either of those

and it's not like the output destinations will only eat what they need and back the rest up to the splitter, because i can't use 1 splitter, because I have 180 screws going into it and my belts are only mk2

[lunar birch]

hey excuse me for interupting, but may i ask which application/website are you using for these diagram?

[glass nacelle]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[lunar birch]

Oh, thanks!

[unique cypress]

The closest to a 3m slope I've ever gotten was alternating 2m and 4m ramps

[wind spade]

clock one group of screw constructors to make 60 and the other to make 125

[glass nacelle]

what's the formula for working the clock speed out?

[wind spade]

[want] / [normal] 😄

[deft lichen]

the beam allows it to be completely straight

I'll see if I can blueprint it somehow

also: train stations now directly connect to adjacent tracks and switches can exist immediately following stations

[glass nacelle]

Since they only make 40 each and I haven't unlocked overclocking, I need to deviate from the diagram and make 6 constructors for screws, then.

2 clocked so they output 60

4 clocked so they output 125 (one will be making 5pm)

Is that right?

[wind spade]

well yeah, the tool doesn't really tell you how many you should build, it just tells you total clock speed. The tooltip is just one example of how you can reach that

(you can also use shards to reduce building count if you want)

[deft lichen]

hm, we seem to have some table already on the freight car page @unique cypress

[unique cypress]

Yeah, which is why I was wondering why you said there isn't one 😂

But it's a bit lackluster

[deft lichen]

I was looking on the locomotive page

the wiki's coverage of trains is a huge mess

LOL, the braking force of a train is set by the locomotives too??

I always thought everything counts, because freight cars have rail brakes too

[unique cypress]

Aren't there like 3 different braking systems? Regen, air and friction?

[deft lichen]

"S" is the regenerative engine brake, space is tbe rail brake

using the rail brake causes sparks to fly from all wheels, including freight cars, but a 1:8 train fails to stop itself on a 2m ramp

an 8-locomotive train brakes as expected

[unique cypress]

Isn't there a difference between loco and car weight?

And did you use empty cars?

[deft lichen]

it rolls, and since you haven't stopped, pressing S causes it to attempt the engine brake
you can neither speed up or slow down in that state

full cars

[deft lichen]

locomotives do have non-zero weight but idk how much it is

ah, 300t apparently, as much as 3 full freight cars

[unique cypress]

Wait locos weigh 300t, but a full car only 100?

Yeah, that'd mean the wagons don't have brakes then

Because a 1-8 train is lighter than a 9-0

[unique cypress]

But also, which brakes did you use to test this?

Only S or space too?

[deft lichen]

both, neither works

but, if you re-enter the locomotive, it resets the controls

using both brakes at once allows the train to stop, but it can't hold itself stopped LOL

I wonder if automated trains have any sort of rollback prevention

[unique cypress]

Well, a consistent way to test this would be a use an auto train. Put a red signal at the bottom of the slope and see where the train elects to stop (top or bottom of the slope)

[deft lichen]

autopilot only uses the rail brake when going over the speed limit or when entering stations for some reason

[deft lichen]

will do

wait, red signal in which direction?

[unique cypress]

In the direction of the train

It'll refuse to drive at all if it's shown the back of a signal

Just extend the rail and put a loco there

[deft lichen]

I can test both

what happens if it rolls past the back of a signal it passed driving forward, and what happens with a double (bidi) signal

[unique cypress]

I have never seen a train roll past a red signal tbh

[deft lichen]

when driving forward, there is a magic force field

same with stations

if it fails to brake the game will just stop it

[unique cypress]

I have seen that with stations plenty of times, but never with a signal

[deft lichen]

I'll try a test to trigger it

should be pretty easy, I'll create a literal race condition

two trains going downhill fast, having the same distance to cross

no rollback prevention without signals, it just rolled all the way downhill, as if holding "W" the entire time and nothing else

no rollback prevention past the back of a signal, crashed

crashed

so overloaded trains can totally cause crashes even on a well signaled railway

rolling trains don't switch switches either, they just go where the switch is at that point

[unique cypress]

Was the top train in auto?

[deft lichen]

both were

[unique cypress]

And did you build it up there or did it drive itself halfway up before rolling back?

[deft lichen]

it drives itself there

reaches a top speed of about 45 before grinding to a stop and rolling back

[unique cypress]

Hmm it has rolldown prevention going down but not up? Weird

[deft lichen]

there isn't any rolldown prevention

[unique cypress]

I genuinely thought it'd stop before the slope and refuse to even try to go up

[unique cypress]

There is. The train will not go down a slope if there's a red signal at the bottom (or in the middle) and it doesn't think it can stop before the signal

So I'd think it'd refuse to go up a slope if it doesn't think it can get up

[deft lichen]

interesting

also, building tracks on ramps still makes bumpy tracks bruh

[unique cypress]

https://imgur.com/a/yyBKx13

This is how you can deadlock a single train btw lol

[deft lichen]

😭

ahh I remember the update 2 autopilot

it would overshoot stations after downhill slopes and fail to drive to stations after uphill slopes

[unique cypress]

Well, it still overshoots stations after downhills. It just hits an invisible wall lmao

[deft lichen]

yeah. there was no wall

it would just... miss 😂

huuuuuh they fixed block signal preference??

allow me to crunch my recording

Magic signal forcefield on the left train + some sort of block signal path reservation?

ah, it cuts too short to show the station forcefield

[unique cypress]

Hmm, interesting, the block turns red a few seconds before the train even passes it

I wonder what would happen if you sent the right train to the right station and the left to the left, but kept the crossing rails so the rails are one color

So the trains don't cross paths but still enter the same block before reaching their stations

[upbeat summit]

wont this cause issues if the trains are coming like this?

[crimson moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEaB0cbiotY you can use this method

however the way that rail splines work has changed in 1.1, in a way that makes the both easier to use and also more lenient. For example, you can 90deg turn in 16m instead of 20m now. So this is a bit out of date, but i think it's not in a way that breaks anything

[deft lichen]

No, trains aren't allowed to enter a path block if their paths cross

It would work with a block signal block too, just differently

[upbeat summit]

Okk thanks

[vapid gorge]

the diagram just tells you how much clocking you need total.

6 machines? that's 600% clocking spread howefver you like

[waxen condor]

12800Alu Ingots p/min ;D 20*640 Belts

[grim crane]

How overkill is this xd

actually i would need to deconstruct my current power plant for this... and i fr dont know if i wanna do that

Still overkill but far more doable

[vapid gorge]

Rf for power is pretty silly

[grim crane]

I mean yeah

But my current Power plant aint enough
Even with 4 augmented Boosters for the grid

[vapid gorge]

so ... don't do 1000 fuel gens?

[grim crane]

I mean yes its silly, but its the kind of silly that could just be the right amount of silly

Also i rly dont wanna deal with nuclear
because if i start that i would wanna do ficsonium and that would open up a WHOLE diffrent branch of insanity 😭

And im currently getting bottle necked with the pasta or my plans would look vastly diffrent

And im already commiting to just spawning in unlimited power shards so its only like 230 ish Generators

Actually let me run this whole thing with a full Pure node of Uranium... maybe it aint even that bad

[unique cypress]

there are no pure uranium nodes

[grim crane]

oh right
i just mean 1200 uranium

[unique cypress]

that's gonna be up to 360 GW from just the uranium rods

[vivid plaza]

The way I am doing it: I'm building a tf power plant now that will support me for a while, then I will delete the generators to to make space for RF blenders, then build NEW generators for theRF

[grim crane]

Yeah, but at best i go full Ficsanium just to remove any waste...
Go full insanity

[grim crane]

i have my current Turbo fuel plant running suported by 4 of thoses slooper Power machines
but i wanna do some more stuff and i , might need more power...

[unique cypress]

fyi you can also remove waste by sinking plutonium rods

[grim crane]

But that feels wrong to me idk

[vivid plaza]

How much tf u making?

[grim crane]

Only 50gw

but im pretty liberal with Slooping and power sharding stuff like particle accelerator and shit..
And emm

[vivid plaza]

That should hold the average playthrough until you get to nuclear

[unique cypress]

that's 50 GW

[grim crane]

i have plans

[vivid plaza]

WHat are y trying to do?

[grim crane]

i still wanna replicate my Oscilator beast of my old save for funnies
i think i produced about 300 of them in my old save
i thought about 500

[vapid gorge]

...y? just store the uranium waste. Or make p rods and sink them or burn them in drones

[grim crane]

DRONE FUEL!

[vivid plaza]

So I would wait until you get RF or nuclear

[grim crane]

YES!!!
I dont use drones 😭

[grim crane]

Im already at Stage 9 lol

I just feel so... empty
like im so much further than in my old save in less time and i havent done insane scale shit yet

also i have a unlimited supply of Shards and Sloops so there will be carnage

[vivid plaza]

Hate to break it to u, but the only way ur getting the capacity for 500 osciliators is with nuclear

[grim crane]

Or 1000 fuel gens

Or i go to the full 5100 rocket fuel

[vivid plaza]

If you wanna use 90% of the worlds sulfur go ahead

Im going to be running 600 pretty soon, and then I'm using that to hold me until nuclear

[grim crane]

Also jesus send help wtf

[vivid plaza]

so thats called overclocking a particle accleerator

[unique cypress]

that's not even as bad as it can get

[grim crane]

thats one...

[vivid plaza]

is that slooped?

[grim crane]

yes

one of 8

😇

[vivid plaza]

You may be more insane then I am

[grim crane]

And im already burning two sam nodes...
And i havent even started
So a lot of what has to do with SAM is slooped

And if i need more ill just cheat more sloopes

[vivid plaza]

So you don't touch grass is what I'm hearing?

[grim crane]

I mean

Guess how many hours my save has rn?
this might be my fastes runthrough ever
using all the accumulated experience since 2019

[vivid plaza]

I mean at least 500

[grim crane]

Uhhh

[vivid plaza]

But youll have many more by the end of that oscilator thing

[grim crane]

So this all is about 230 hours

[vivid plaza]

Man I'm at 215 and still in phase three 😭

[grim crane]

Its not that big yet sadly

[grim crane]

I mean power shards and a lot of rushing tiers helped i guess
i also build stuff with better belts in mind and upgrade later

[vivid plaza]

I do have at least 1000 hours worth of plans

[grim crane]

Mk6 belts also fucking saved my insanity on my BAuxite thing
i tried balancing the bauxit onto 8*400 belts with only m4 and 5 belts
and i failed sooo hard

[vivid plaza]

12300 alum, maxed nuclear, and the big boy 25 pasta

[grim crane]

When i build the first stage of my Oupost i planned with stuff and for stuff i havnet unlocked yet

Also i cant see screws anymore

[vivid plaza]

yayyyy

[grim crane]

Im only producing about 3600 alu ingots rn

[vivid plaza]

and thats the most a normal playthrough would need, but im fucking insane

[grim crane]

xd
also my first project was 10 heavy frames before i unlock anything further
i started planning that once i got tier 2

And it involves tier 3 and 4 stuff soo im just weird

Like genually hell

If i see one more screw in a recipie ill jump

[vivid plaza]

Ahem

[grim crane]

uhh

Im sadly only producing 1 cube rn of that
i think in my old save i did 10?

[vivid plaza]

So yeaaaa

I think I need a hobby

[grim crane]

I have a lot of hobbys xd

I play satisfactory only on like peak depression times 😭

[vivid plaza]

lmao

[grim crane]

otherwise i aint gonna find the time or motivation

[vivid plaza]

Alr i gtg cya

[grim crane]

cya

[vivid plaza]

Its totally not bc study hall is ending xD

[waxen condor]

he just set the Crude Oil amount on such an awful number that all numbers look complicated

[grim crane]

i have 1350 cruide oil i wanna use

Also i am gonna do this diffrent
im going the route of 25 Uranium fuel rods
and combining it with my insane 300 Osciliatrs into one factory because it uses a lot overlapping components

The dreaded refinery

but this is totally doable

[waxen condor]

so you set the Cruide oil number on 1349.99 ? just why? all numbers look awful to balance

[grim crane]

No set it to 135
and i could not find a output level to exactly match that in the calculator

So i started to just calculate it by hand

[unique cypress]

1. possibly floating point errors and it's actually 135 exactly
2. why would you balance numbers

[waxen condor]

are you stupid ?

[waxen condor]

on the screenshot it is 1349.99

[grim crane]

Yes because it calculates from the end result to the start

[unique cypress]

and? still could be 1350 exactly. because floating point math

[waxen condor]

yes but such perfect miss alignment between the good output number and the Input number is nearly impossible.

it's just awful to think about it ;D

[grim crane]

Calcualte it yourself than

actualy i think its an error

[waxen condor]

sure

[grim crane]

45 Refineries exactly aint that number

Thats why you use it as a Number cruncher to framework before optimising it
Because i aint gonna build 44.002 Refineries

Its gonna be 45

[knotty hornet]

3 words: Nitro Rocket Fuel