math-and-meta

[fallow siren]

so you need to rebuild the rail multiple times until it registered

very annoying bug

[royal yacht]

oh weird

[frosty owl]

This sure is being one buggy Update :/

[mossy ibex]

it does have some quirks, lol

[visual ocean]

This should connect right? It's not for some reason.. Any tips for this that dont involve moving this a lot further away, the belt i mean

[unique cypress]

if the blue and orange arrows disappear after placing, it's connected

[visual ocean]

it's not working. these are not going to the lift for some reason

[unique cypress]

the splitter isn't connected to the belt either...

[rain lichen]

ill admit i made a minor oopsie..
i have 24 water extractors each pumping out 300 water/min, with 12 mk.2 pipes (obv at 600/min each)
however, i have 20 nuclear generators, each needing 360/min of water, and i'm honestly stumped on how to balance this and make it work 🙃

i love satisfactory but my head was not built for solving these

[dusky dust]

My recommendation is to always just pipe exactly what the machines need. You'd need more pipes, but if it were me I'd just have each pipe carry 360/min exactly

[rain lichen]

too bad i didnt think of that when designing it 😔

[dusky dust]

You don't want to have funky piping to your critical power infrastructure

[unique cypress]

OC the reactrors to 250% instead

[rain lichen]

i was going purely off numbers but didnt consider the actual logistics

[rain lichen]

the nuclear reactors? i dont really have room for changing the amount i have placed unfortunately, due to my build

[unique cypress]

then I'd build a 12x20 grid of junctions, all connected together so the pipes can balance themselves

idk if it'll work for that many tho

[dusky dust]

Honestly IMO you're gonna run into problems which require some redesigns anyway

Splitting 600/min pipes across NPPs which need 360 each is, IMO, a recipe for failure

[rain lichen]

aiii
i just did some real quick and easy math and just realized i'll need 40 water extractors if i make it "1:1" with the reactors 😬

oh well

[dusky dust]

I'm sure it can be done, but redesigning is likely to be less work than the pipe debugging

[rain lichen]

that's a solid point honestly

also i've heard tales of mk.2 pipes at max capacity getting weird, anything i should look out for? been a long while since i played this game

[unique cypress]

with NPPs, I've never had issues with 600/min pipes

they're only problematic on long manifolds in my experience

[dusky dust]

There are some things to keep in mind when doing manifolds with 600/min, but yeah, you'll rarely run into those with NPPs

[rain lichen]

good thing there won't really be a manifold then lmao

[unique cypress]

which is why idk if the grid would work - it's a lot of junctions

[rain lichen]

i may need to go powershard hunting...

im fully overclocking my 24 water extracts and my 10-20 NPPs

[frosty owl]

I was just about to suggest "just" overclocking them xD

[lofty sphinx]

which do yall think is more optomized

sorting storage into a depot then overflow into a isc? or isc into a depot and the overflow stays in that isc

[visual ocean]

It is..

items went through it

[unique cypress]

the arrows say otherwise. if a belt is connected, they disappear

So i'd say they just went along the belt, bypassing the splitter entirely

[visual ocean]

That makes sense

i fixed it. I put the lift, the connected the splitter with aerial magic and then connected the belt

weird but it works

[dusky dust]

It depends what your goals are, but you probably want your Depots backed by storage no matter "where" it is in your system otherwise.

If the depot's just being fed from the "source" belt and you exhaust the Depot, it could take a bit to replenish

[lofty sphinx]

so you are saying put the isc as a buffer?

so its all sorting to an isc, but has a depot behind it

[wind spade]

I wouldn't even do the "sorting", separate materials don't have to be merged onto one belt

[dusky dust]

I'm saying that I'd make sure to have a container (ISC or otherwise) feeding a depot, for replenishment reasons. You could still overflow stuff in general in different ways, depending on what you want to prioritize

[lofty sphinx]

I want to have a big central storage tho

[dusky dust]

Like if you're doing both a depot and a Central Storage system, you might prefer to prioritize the "manual" bins you take stuff from

[unique cypress]

you can do that without sushi tho

[wind spade]

that is not a problem tho? just don't need to merge the materials

[dusky dust]

How you design your storage/depot is definitely up to you, and depends on exactly what you want to prioritize

[lofty sphinx]

thats what I was thinking to do anyway, like an isc I can take from, but it also acts as the buffer to a depot

[lofty sphinx]

how?

[unique cypress]

deliver the materials without mixing them and connect them to the appropriate container?

unless you want some place to dump your inverntory into, then that does need to be sushi

but the automated delivery doesn't

[dusky dust]

What I did on mine was actually sandwich the depot uploader inbetween two ISCs; a Smart Splitter would prioritize the Depot, but the Depot system wouldn't get full replenishment capability until the "back" ISC started filling up

I'm not sure I'd do it that way again but it worked well enough for me

Though prioritizing the "manual" bins was handy for the early-to-mid game when I still didn't have the depots fully upgraded out

[lofty sphinx]

i was thinking like this kinda

then I prob would add a over over flow to a sink

[dusky dust]

I still wish we had a set of slightly-shorter containers which could fit more neatly between floors using wall-height increments. You've gotta play some annoying games with clipping to fit ISCs on multiple levels while using 8m-interval floor heights. Just chop off one row of storage to compensate and I'd be happy

[wind spade]

yeah, build this per item, merge all overflows into sink, you don't need to "sort" anything

[lofty sphinx]

I mean the splitter and possible the depot would be a floor below this so that only the isc that is also a manual storage is accessable

[dusky dust]

(I will say that judicious use of sushi processing can make Central Storage belting a lot simpler to deal with, though)

[lofty sphinx]

i would only build this for like hand full of items cuz I dont have 289 mercer spheres and I dont need like stators on quick access

[dusky dust]

Doing one belt per item requires an awful lot of care to not turn into spaghetti otherwise; just a lot of different inputs all headed to roughly the same place. Helps to pre-plan all your storage and belt things out all at once, IME

[lofty sphinx]

thats why I was confused on why he said that, cuz I feel like trying to not sushi would actually add more sushi and spaghetti

[dusky dust]

(Though of course that's partially Skill Issue™ )

[unique cypress]

I'm pretty sure you complained about being limited by belt speed.

not doing sushi gives you a full belt per item

[dusky dust]

Doing sushi introduces a whole different set of things you have to keep track of, of course, but for me at least it's far easier to do "clean" belting with sushi (for "central storage" type solutions, at least)

[lofty sphinx]

but then I have to account for more belts

I would rather be limited than have to be italian

[dusky dust]

But that's all personal preference, etc

[unique cypress]

I mean I wouldn't build central storage in the first place 🤷‍♂️

[lofty sphinx]

what would you do then?

[unique cypress]

depots at every factory

[dusky dust]

Most folks just rely on Depots nowadays, honestly

Personally I still feel like there's a decent usecase for some kind of storage system in the early-to-midgame, unless you really prioritize Sphere acquisition early on

'cause it does take a nontrivial amount of effort to upgrade + build out your Depots to full functionality

But especially once your Depots are humming along at full capacity, you'll find that your Central Storage is mostly just a labor of love. :)

[lofty sphinx]

so would it be worth it to like edit my factories to account for depots if I think they should have one and then send overflor to a central storage?

[unique cypress]

yeah, I rush depots because playing without them, or central storage is miserable.

but depots make central storage obsolete, so I rush depots instead of spending time building storage

[lofty sphinx]

this is my first save since before 1.0 so I never had to play with depots yet

[dusky dust]

I personally like building Central Storages just 'cause I like the design challenge, and love seeing all the neatly-sorted-out-and-labelled storage bins and such, arranged just how I'd like. But that's very much personal preference

I do think that rushing full Depot upgrades is a lot easier for experienced players than new players; having at least a bit of manual storage, as I say, is probably rather helpful in the early-to-mid game

[lofty sphinx]

I like it cuz it makes it easier to get things I need fast, like if Im going to build a huge factory, I can just get my items from my central storage and then go out and build

also cuz I had the mindset of using trains to pool items to the storage

[unique cypress]

with a good depot setup, you can go build anything with a completely empty inventory

[crisp hazel]

That’s how i operate

[dusky dust]

Once you do have your Depots fully upgraded and built out, you'll find you never have to actually use your central storage

[crisp hazel]

Full depots, never have to go anywhere to get what i need for builds

[dusky dust]

It helps to remember that you can have multiple uploaders for the same item; Concrete for example definitely needs a bunch of uploaders by the endgame

[crisp hazel]

Every major item gets a depot

[lofty sphinx]

then whats the use of trains?

[dusky dust]

And you'll certainly find other resources that you'll want to add multiple uploaders for. For my endgame builds I actually had a couple of factories specifically dedicated to just beefing up some Depot uploads

[unique cypress]

large volume, long distance transport

[dusky dust]

Depots can't be used for logistics; totally separate usecases there

[unique cypress]

or distributed, interconnected factories

[lofty sphinx]

so I should prioritize getting depots at major factories

and then I could make it like a side thing if I really want them accesible at my hub'

[dusky dust]

What you should do is a difficult question that only you can answer. :) But once you've got your Depots upgraded + built out you won't regret the work

[lofty sphinx]

I am only on phase 2

I just need to go hunting for more spheres then

only other thing is to make a heavy frame factory

[dusky dust]

Yeah, it wouldn't hurt. And exploration also gives you sloops, hard drives, and DNA

[lofty sphinx]

I should prob make rebar then

[unique cypress]

what you should make, is nobelisks

or explosive rebar

a lot of stuff is hidden under rocks

[lofty sphinx]

it would be quite tedious to automate sulfer for me

[unique cypress]

in terms of combat, I usually basher everything

[lofty sphinx]

the only node I found doesnt have any close by coal

[unique cypress]

you can handcraft like 200

[dusky dust]

Can look for some more favorable spots while you explore. :)

[lofty sphinx]

I usually use basher, but when I am the mid map or north east and theres liek 40 boss hatchers around a blue slug it gets difficult

[unique cypress]

if you find a spot with coal, iron, and sulfur, you can automate nobelisks and depot them. then you don't need to visit that factory ever again

[unique cypress]

crouch

the ultimate solution to hatchers

[lofty sphinx]

you can depot noboliskis?

[unique cypress]

you can depot any item

[lofty sphinx]

you can avoid hatchers???

[dusky dust]

Yes, you can Depot anything. Though you do have to manually refill by taking them out of the depot; the Detonator won't pull directly from the depot

[dusky dust]

Crouching will prevent it from spitting out bees

(though it will not prevent already-deployed bees from attacking you)

[lofty sphinx]

but I mean I can pull from my inventory depot so

[dusky dust]

You can even jetpack around like a maniac while crouched and they still won't aggro at you

[lofty sphinx]

any solution for easy healing tho?

[unique cypress]

inhalers

[dusky dust]

We're really veering into just #satisfactory talk, but yeah, there are various Inhaler recipes which give you the most bang for your buck

Though you may feel like you're "wasting" them unless you wait to be pretty low-health before puffing. :D

(That or just getting out of aggro range and waiting for your auto-heal)

[unique cypress]

I haven't done the math on whether the inhalers heal more or less than their individual ingredients, but you can't beat healing to full in one click

[dusky dust]

Yeah, me neither. Certainly a quicker "per-second" heal, at least. :D

Honestly I mostly just make do with berries. I dislike hand-crafting so I generally never bother making inhalers

And you can munch on berries pretty quickly

[unique cypress]

yeah, I wish you could make them in a machine

[dusky dust]

Yeah, that's one of my main 1.0 disappointments

[unique cypress]

It pissed me off when on some devstream they said "why would you want that, you can't automate gathering the ingredients anyway"

it's like they don't play their own game

[dusky dust]

I'm willing to give them a pass just 'cause it's often really difficult as a developer to get into a user mindset. You're too suffused in how you know the game is sort of meant to be played

(see also: the amount of time it took for them to actually get to grips with the user experience of mk2 600/min pipes)

Still, I'm sure there's mods, at least, for the inhaler thing. Should I be motivated enough to look

And maybe that is a recipe change we'll eventually get in the 1.x line. :P

[unique cypress]

I mean it's a piss easy mod to make

at least as far as mods go

if somebody bothered to make it, it exists

if not, I might

[dusky dust]

Yeah. Though honestly I've also found I don't really care enough to look around, especially since I do most of my playthroughs in Peaceful. :D

And even when I don't, berries have generally been plenty good enough (and literally grow on the ground!)

[amber umbra]

My anecdote is manual crafting some things like inhalers wasn't bothersome. If you're playing vanilla there's a lot of additional light friction that manual crafting is a part of. If you don't like that friction just AGS.

Could be part of the dev thought process.

[unique cypress]

My opinion that since this is an automation game. if it can be made, it should be possible to make it automatically

[dusky dust]

Yeah, and I suspect most players don't have the aversion to handcrafting that I do

Onboarding even requires a fair bit of handcrafting before you get to automation

[oblique hollow]

If i die i die.
Inhalers my ass - gimme berrie and nuts

[amber umbra]

Other thought is that having an automated recipe for a thing begs the question to the player of why I can't fully automate it. The additional recipes also clutter the machine's menu which is added issues for newer players.

yadda yadda dev stuff and new player things

[frigid maple]

I translated the logo to Hebrew

[plucky tusk]

got all the machines built now i got 8 inputs to fill

but soon ill beat p4

[glad ibex]

Fire

[nova vortex]

hello can someone help me

[wind spade]

(please describe the problem first)

[nova vortex]

how should i go about planning for making a modular engine

[unique cypress]

1 manufacturer fed from handfed containers is usually the easiest and fastest way

ideally slooped

[deft lichen]

otherwise https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

but yeah temp setups are usually the way to go for project parts

[nova vortex]

i am looking at the calculator on the website. and it says "x0.46" what does that mean

[nova vortex]

its for the space elevator

[deft lichen]

SCIM's calculator isn't very good

[unique cypress]

that's an understatement lol

[deft lichen]

but x0.46 means 46% clock speed (of a mk3 miner)

[nova vortex]

oh ok ty

[unique cypress]

or 100% speed and 46% uptime

[deft lichen]

3.05 smelter means 305% combined clock speed of smelters

whether that is 100 + 100 + 105 or 250 + 55 etc is up to you

I recommend switching to Tools with your plan though

[icy fractal]

it's gotten things wrong for me before

like blatantly wrong, I don't remember the specific situation but I put in x/pm of a material for x/pm of an output and it gave me a maximum of like 5/pm. I did the math in game myself and wound up getting a lot more than that

meanwhile tools is awesome

[unborn dome]

Anyone have a design for a fluid overflow? I'm shipping fuel by train and not all of what I'm making is being consumed, so I'd like to send any overflow fuel to a fuel gen to get consumed.

Like just to get rid of it, so the diluted fuel blenders and HOR refineries don't back up

[fallow siren]

you can lift up the overflow pipe with vertical junction

so it prioritized the bottom section first

[unborn dome]

Hmm, does it have to go up to the top of the headlift? Or just stay higher than the main pipe?

[fallow siren]

higher than main pipe, cuz thats what i did when i overflow my fuel pipe into packaged

[unborn dome]

Nice, thanks!

[mint osprey]

Can some one help me with some math on a Turbo fuel factory?

I need help with the blanks

[maiden elbow]

That is an absurd fuel plant

using this EXTREMELY innovative design, you will achieve an output of 6000 turbo fuel and for extra power robustness, you can convert the rest of your oil into power from 1000 coal plants

[unborn dome]

Or if you're absolutely set on building a ton of fuel generators, do rocket fuel instead

[maiden elbow]

coal plants come with the benefit of more efficient placement

[unborn dome]

Btw I highly recommend Satisfactory Tools for your planning needs
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[fallow siren]

why not just default turbo at that point

heavy alt use more reosurces as trade off for simplicity

not to mention

12k oil is more than we have in the entire map

[midnight gulch]

I asked Chat-GPT 5 a optimised route for a train to collect all nodes and this is what he answer:

Quick interpretation
The TSP on all points (105 km) ensures the route passes exactly through each resource — useful if you must physically visit each point, but the route is longer.

The TSP on cluster centers (51 km) is a great choice for a main line that passes near resources — it’s about half the length, and every resource is less than ~423 m from the main route, which is perfect for short branch lines.

[oblique hollow]

All resources? why

You cannot process that much

[vapid gorge]

also, chatgpt? why

[oblique hollow]

Let alone transport that much with a single train network

[vapid gorge]

it also completely ignores terrain

this is the sort of thing that's worrying about people just dropping thought skills for bots.

[oblique hollow]

Whatever this is though, i guess it is sort of useful for other things.

First time ive seen everything be commected by a "central line"

[midnight gulch]

Honestly, this was mostly just for fun. It’s tricky to input obstacles or terrain details into ChatGPT anyway, but it can still give some rough route ideas to start from.

If there are obstacles in real life, you can always adjust or deviate the route as needed. So it’s more of a helpful suggestion than a perfect plan.

Sometimes just having a general idea is useful, even if you have to tweak it later.

And to be honest, I don’t have the time or energy to draw lines around all the nodes in the game just to give an example and have fun.

[plucky tusk]

Imagine the throughput on that baby

Takes like 10 minutes for it to get there

[crimson moat]

Your train line needs to be massively parallel (like 16 tracks wide) to handle that, and it's a huge waste to be doing that to take a resource to the other side of the map and back. Not just setup time waste, but the trains to give your Iron a world tour before getting to their destination actually consume a LOT of power. Like on the magnitude of hundreds of gigawatts at that scale.

Optimising for power and train/cart count has basically every track pointed at the destination (or away from it to get back to the resource cluster). Sometimes it might be cheaper to take a little detour to pick up more resources with fewer trains, or to feed a bigger train with a bunch of smaller branches such that the distance that bigger train has to cover is reduced, but generally you have an asterisk shaped pattern with stuff heading straight to somewhere near the center of the map (that area has the lowest average distance to resources) and empty trains going back out.

Optimising for power and minimal train count might not be everybodies thing, but it's a serious constraint on world scale and inadvisable to do something which uses say 5x more trains and power than the minimum.

[oblique hollow]

And needs manual coordination because our trains dont smartly share tracks

[vapid gorge]

it's about as obnoxious a route as you could create for this.

[frosty owl]

With some Googling, you can find solutions made by actual people with actual thought behind them. That includes accounting for terrain of course...

[cold lintel]

Tried to make this motor factory I was talking about a couple of days ago. Was having some fun with Draw.io and made a little schematic of how I made it up using some manifolds and stuff. Wanted you guys to take a look at it and make sure I did it correctly. I also have screen shots in game of the set up if that would be more helpful as well. Thanks for any input. Will attach screenshot of SFTools as well.

Smelters->Rods/Screws->Pipes/Wire->Stators/Rotors/Motors

[crimson moat]

Looks good but rather claustrophobic

[cold lintel]

Yeah I just kind of wanted to make it work and then worry about everything else later. I just wanted to make sure that nothing would get backed up or anything like that. Should I put a smart splitter at the end of the manifold lines and have the overflow go back into the original input just in case? Or is there really no chance of back ups as long as I have the motors going somewhere at the end of the line?

[cold lintel]

I want to prefill the manifolds. Do I just prefill the ingots in the first constructors or should I prefill all of the machines?

[frosty owl]

I don't quite understand what you mean and why looping items back to the input would help achieving that

[cold lintel]

I meant for the Rod/Screw side of the flow. Loop the ingots back to the front in case they overflow.

I assume since I rounded up the last decimal point on the Miner and the Smelter from what SFTools said that it might take a while but, eventually it will backup or am I wrong in thinking that?

[wind spade]

if they overflow, that means you're making more than you need and looping back is pointless since you'll always have more than you need, even if you don't loop. It doesn't really solve anything

I'd just clock the machines so that you have the exact amounts instead

[fading void]

guys im starting aluminum. i want to set myself up for most of phase 4 now so i dont have to make a bunch of aluminum factories later. how much of each aluminum produst should i make?

[frosty owl]

2/5 of the output to Sheets, 3/5 to Casings Imo. Rough numbers, ofc, but it should work well enough

[fading void]

something like this? @frosty owl

[unique cypress]

ah, yes, 600 byproduct alumina

[frosty owl]

Sure, that can work. Just spam down a few modules and keep sinking the output, so that the byproducts never stop and you can tap on the output however you want in the future

[fading void]

i havent done aluminum yet so ive gotta figure out alumina byproduct and what to do with it

i might up that setup to using 1500 bauxite aswell

[unique cypress]

it's there because you didn't turn on any alts and yet disabled quartz

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=x5AgkIz0pt7FBPSvJOeK

this is way more sensible

[fading void]

theres 2 pure and a normal near by

and yeah im new to this phase. ive stopped right before aluminum twice now

there is quartz sooooo far

damn

[unique cypress]

you don't need it if you use alts

but you can't both use 0 alts, and 0 quartz

I mean you can, but it leads to wasting most of your bauxite on generating silica

[fading void]

im stuck at a strange cross roads lol theres quartz kinda close by but oil is like 2000m away

[unique cypress]

put the aluminium factory in the western beaches, swamp, or crater lakes

of all the places with bauxite, only titan forest doesn't really have oil

you can also just use default scrap, which will replace oil with (a lot more) coal and will cost more bauxite

[fading void]

im wanting to put it somewhere around the middle of that SS

or around the big circle lake to the north

[unique cypress]

there is oil there

just a fracking well, not a node

[fading void]

i dont have that unlocked yet

i could force it and rush a bit possibly

but i see what youre talking about

[unique cypress]

just set up one manufacturer for each of the required items and handfeed it

you said you have some alu set up so it shouldn't be that hard

[fading void]

i said i havent ever done aluminum yet lol

i dont have any aluminum rn

[sharp knoll]

something to take into account is with alternate recipes you can just fit the recipes around whatever you have. Like heat sinks or fused frames

[unique cypress]

oh so that wasn't you lol

[fading void]

no this is my first setup

and im going a little overkill so i dont have to do it again

[unique cypress]

you could spend coupons on some alu...

but idk if i'd recommend it

[sharp knoll]

you can use sloppy alumina, Electrode Aluminum Scrap, and pure aluminum ingots to really cut down on the complexity

[fading void]

i aint making coupons fast enough

[sharp knoll]

allows you to make aluminum ingots with just water, bauxite, and oil

[fading void]

i dont like oil where im at tbh

[sharp knoll]

personlly i like making it here

i use a train to transfer it from west to east toward the lake

[unique cypress]

Make coke somewhere else and transport it by hand until you can automate it on site 🤣

[fading void]

i am gonna try and force getting the well stuff

[sharp knoll]

there's also copper/iron nearby so you can easily get a ton of basic materials to process to aluminum to casing and sheet

something like this

[fading void]

thats not bad. im also thinking of this recipe and just splitting off from the copper i am using at my base

avoids oil so i can use that lake later

[sharp knoll]

the pain is quartz, theres just no easy quartz next to it

[fading void]

i mean bottom of that SS

its in a cave but it can be moved over

its closer to everything else than the far left bauxite to the lake you build at

[unique cypress]

I'd just use alts to get rid of it 🤷‍♂️

[sharp knoll]

i guess? up to you, personally for me it's faaar and the nearby terrain isn't that fun to run a train through

[fading void]

id belt it i think lol

glutton for punishment on that one

[sharp knoll]

then ya you can bring quartz over, you dont need to if you use the pure aluminum ingot alt but up to you

[fading void]

i think that if i use the pure recipe it ends up with me getting less product for more bauxite. im not opposed to belting over the quartz. so maybe just suffering for a wee minute on belting will be fine for making 300 sheets and 600 casing

now i get to figure out how to deal with the 600 water per min going back to making alumina

[sharp knoll]

you have enough bauxite

this is my setup for example

[fading void]

hmmm. true. lemme see if i can force the well research and that will dictate what i end up doing i think

[wet vigil]

for 600 Bauxit minute, basic alumina and Aluminium waste,

i need 600 fresh water and the rest is produced by consuming all the aluminia with coal right?

and i need 5 rafinery to consume all the bauxit, or do i need more with lower production?

[crimson moat]

less water because of byproduct water recycling, i think it was 240 for those recipies and amounts

[wet vigil]

i need 900 water for 5 rafinery (and it should consume 600 bauxit / min).
thats should be 600 alumina / min

to consume it all making aluminium waste, i have 3 rafiniery creating 120 + 120 + 60(set to 50%) =300 . (240+240+120 alumina = 600)

but for reason i don't understand the 1 of the 5 alumina blinks , and 1 of the 3 aluminium waste alwase blink yellow / green every 12s.

they are all on the same level, i tryed placing pumps , valves , and even connecting both fresh and waste water, dosen't help at all.

i'm making 600 fresh water + 300 from waste i should run smooth.

should i not make them all on the same plane ? Liquid phisics is all wanky

Liquid phisics is REALY wanky but i'm finaly consuming 599 to 600 bauxit / min insted of 585.
needed 7 vales and 4 pumps ...

[haughty barn]

Do you guys use heat sink or heat exchanger recipe?

[unique cypress]

the alt

takes slightly less alu

plus I'm usually making rubber anyway, but I rarely use copper sheets

[queen slate]

Heat exchanger, I prefer to spend Rubber. If you're fine with transporting it - go ahead.

[wind spade]

valves are never needed

they hurt more than help usually

[wet vigil]

probably but if i remove them it start blinking again

[wind spade]

then the error is somewhere else

[wet vigil]

i don't see where it can be other than the fact build them all on the same plane and liquids don't flow in pipes like the would IRL

[wind spade]

they do

did you loop the pipe?

[wet vigil]

no, i didn't, i don't see why it would help

[wind spade]

because fluids can flow both ways in a pipe

loop like this

[wet vigil]

but it dosent like to go up without pumps, i realy don't see why i should loop , when pumps are supposed to PUSH water in the pipe, and rafinery PUSHING alumina in the pipe.

they all says they have X m of lift.

it should already only go one way or be Still

[brisk urchin]

semi

if you have a steady flow and a perfectly calculated one ontop of that then you will never run into fluid issues

[wind spade]

pumps don't push

they provide headlift

[brisk urchin]

however if thats not the case... playing it save is good

[wind spade]

the loop is needed, because backflow can happen

and with loop you don't care about backflow

[wet vigil]

but the purpse of the pumps is pushing liquids , dosent make sens if it dosent

[wind spade]

no, purpose of pumps in the game is to provide headlift

[brisk urchin]

it doesnt push

it adds only "head lift" in form of code and the game only checks the head lift of a pipe if needed (simplest explenation, probably not acurate)

as much as the liquids are oddly realistic in this game, at the same time they are the complete opposite of that

[noble timber]

I'm still waiting for css to implement a proper pressure system with losses and other fun fluid mechanics quirks

[brisk urchin]

o heel naw!

[noble timber]

Just imagine we could have turbulent/laminar flows within pipes

[brisk urchin]

i ain no engineer but that somehow sounds complicated

[unique cypress]

It'd probably be more reliable than what we have right now 😆

[main thicket]

can you put in one drone port like 3 drones coming from different places each and bringing different materials?

[unique cypress]

Not that I'd recommend it, but I'm pretty sure you can

What's wrong with using 3 drone ports?

[main thicket]

no space for a third one unfortunately

[vapid gorge]

one port could possibly handle 3 drones, but throughput might hurt somewhat as they each have 1 min landing leaving animations

You could also build drone ports above each other. They'll clip through

[unborn dome]

This kills the performance.

[vapid gorge]

y?

[vapid gorge]

they only stop fluid from going backwards at the single point they exist, you still can get back flow elsewhere

[fallow siren]

loop in general helps the flow especially if you're working with full pipe of 600/min

backflow exist and it can hurt your overall flow, especially when theyre at max capacity

so loop is needed, or you can split them evenly in the middle

the other approach is just to limit the flow at 400-500 only

so you have enough room to counter the backflow

[vapid gorge]

you can still have issues with 400 pipes w/o a loop depending on what you're doing and how

[fallow siren]

from my experience, i rarely need loops for pipe under 600/min since i always flood them in the system

and they even works at bottom feeding

as long as its under max pipe capacity

[vapid gorge]

that is not nearly everyone's experience

a small fraction I would go as far to say

[marsh atlas]

I've done this with certain parts for nuclear, it works well as long as the throughput needed doesn't exceed the number of slots in the drones for the delays that will cause. But additional drone ports would be more straightforward, the only premium for that would be space which is generally the most abundant resource in the game

[noble timber]

Because it would be fun

[vapid gorge]

Eh, just put a pump every 50 m and simulate it yourself

[frosty owl]

This killed the joking mood

[wooden jasper]

I think this factory gives a strong case for blueprinting with mergers facing outwards rather than with outputs pointed left/right. I wasn't sure where I wanted the output to go, but I realized these forward-facing mergers allow direction switching without needing to delete and replace all mergers beforehand

also it kinda works as design(?) because there's a wavy conveyor effect instead of basic straight lines

I'm slightly bummed about this steel factory tho bc mk5 belts would make the ratios and material usage way simpler, this wastes a bit of potential for iron and copper bc I physically can't do any simpler design. I make 150 beams and 240 pipes now, so that's good

[frosty owl]

Funny how I used to do that for splitters instead
In my case I just wanted to make use of as few smart splitters ad possible, so placing them like that (input facing outward) allowed me to have 1 smart splitter per Assembler (2 outputs feeding the machine, the third overflowing to the next splitter)

[wet vigil]

the basic recipie for Aluminium waste is 120 water /min

X2.5

x5

[crimson moat]

That's actually right 💀 so my bad

don't use that recipe it's awful. I didn't realize it was that bad with water too

[wet vigil]

i don't have any other ...

[crimson moat]

you'll get sloppy alumina in a few hard drives

it's simpler and more bauxite efficient and uses less water

[wet vigil]

hopefully, i mostly got verry late game recipie and luckly the ONE screw recipie from Iron ingots

its only my second playtrough and the first time dealing with this stage by my slef

[crimson moat]

honestly a lot easier game if you have the right alts, and plenty of mercers/sloops. I recommend doing a mass gather in early P3 at the latest

[wet vigil]

i never made the Radiation suit until yesterday

[crimson moat]

biofuel jetpack and gun helps a lot to handle the wilds, but beyond that it doesn't get much easier

[wet vigil]

i hate the gun its dose no dmg.

[wooden jasper]

nobelisks only combat!!

[wet vigil]

why ? sword is free and MORE FUN

[wooden jasper]

I've recently gotten into making nobelisks and it's great

2 nobelisks kill a big spitter

as long as they attach directly onto it

[crimson moat]

It does 25dps which is pretty close to the xeno basher but at long range

[wooden jasper]

and also big damage for hogs

[wet vigil]

from start ? or with the upgreaded rods ?

the reload speed is Awfull.

[crimson moat]

reload between combat like with rebar gun

i use regular rifle ammo and carry 3 rifles

weapon swap is almost instant

[wet vigil]

its shot / reload / shot / reaload

[crimson moat]

if you're reloading in combat you're not holding enough guns

[wet vigil]

i don't have the Riffle unlocked yet

[crimson moat]

ah rebar gun yeah. That one can't kill nearly as much between reloads

but if you have 3 of them it's much better too 😛

[wet vigil]

i will just stick to sword, at least it give me chill ans a bit of fair fights.

i nobelisck only on 4V1

[wooden jasper]

I never thought of that

time to load up with 5 detonators so I can throw a whole demolition zone at enemies

[wet vigil]

I found a DEAD pionner

[wooden jasper]

get the helmet

[wet vigil]

yeah i did , cool helmet LOL

there wase also like 5 Dogo arround , but they are to far from base and will likely dispawn or somthing.

the 2 first one i tame got lost or somthing

[wooden jasper]

they won't despawn, they'll just be in the general area

if you go far enough away they'll return to the same spot every time

[wet vigil]

well they should path find in my base then because the floor is still grass but they arent anywhere near where i build my first shop and benches.

[wooden jasper]

Why manifold if the output:input is 1:1?

[languid mist]

why not

[radiant terrace]

starting to get there

[brazen path]

how many times can i reloop 150 canisters

i need to reloop 4 times

[proven moth]

I need to load balance 8 inputs into 3 outputs😭

[mint osprey]

What 8 to 3?

What is you input belts mks?

[proven moth]

mk5

[brazen path]

thats brot

[mint osprey]

Full loaded? Like 8 780 belts?

[proven moth]

when i initially hook it up yea. The 8 inputs are coming from a train

my bauxite was super far from my factory so i went a little overboard with the freight

[mint osprey]

Trains can go up 2m ramps and trains have a 1:4 ratio one locomotive can haul four fully loaded freight cars

[mint osprey]

How many freight stations do you have?

[proven moth]

8

[mint osprey]

Ok still 8 to 3? What do you need 3 out puts for

[unique cypress]

then that'd be a belt balancer, not a load balancer.

you'd need 8 1:3 splitters, and then 3 8:1 mergers, and then cross connect them

[proven moth]

thats kinda just how my factory is set up with my blue prints

[mint osprey]

You making aluminum right

[proven moth]

ye

[mint osprey]

How much aluminum scrap are you wanting to make?

[proven moth]

i have 9 refineries thats are going to be part of a rocket fuel factory

i have the floor plan all done for the most part

just trying to figure out the math on this hook up

[mint osprey]

Do you have screenshots? Or like anything of the blueprints?

What you Target rocket fuel production?

[proven moth]

1000 packaged rocket fuel p/m

[mint osprey]

Ok zo 1000

How much do you have comeinging on your train

[proven moth]

more than enough bauxite but im just trying to load balance it to prevent any issues

[mint osprey]

Here this some one helped

Sorry man im not to good at load balancing but i can help with any outher math

[radiant terrace]

Done done done

[plush marten]

just out of curosity , are you gonna package it later fpr power ?

[proven moth]

doing it rn

its gonna be drone fuel

hopefully

[plush marten]

ahh , i want to know something , why do you guys take the extra step to package it and transport it elsewhere because i feel its kinda hectic
just my opinion though

[plush marten]

i did use some of my turbo for the drone

[proven moth]

for the drones it has to be packaged.

i thought about using turbo fuel but then changed my mind

probably woulld have only been half the headache and been done last night but oh well

[plush marten]

nah i saw u are going for 1000 package RF per min , surely u are not gonna use so much for drones rt ?

[tame harbor]

Yeah imho the need for aluminum canisters is a turn-off for me using rocket fuel in drones

[proven moth]

I was wanting to do 1200 p/m but there wasnt enough oil where i was building so i decided to just go with 1000

1200 would have made the math a little but nicer

im hoping 1000p/m will be more than enough for me to finish the game

or at least get to the nuclear production stuff

[tame harbor]

Turbofuel and the packages for it is so dead simple logistically you can just put down more drones

Best part is that if you use turbofuel for drones then batteries are completely superfluous

[haughty barn]

i am glad i never had to suffer with batteries

what do these arrows do

[queen slate]

These are rail switches, they show which path the train will go, left or right.

While riding a train, press A or D to make it switch to different direction.

[haughty barn]

does it affect automatic trains?

[queen slate]

It switches them automatically (or ignores them).

[haughty barn]

thx

[queen slate]

If a path exists, auto-train will do it.

[tame harbor]

them were dark days

still proud of my wrangling that setup to fuel drones i never used that save

[unique cypress]

I just didn't use them 🤷‍♂️

[hidden fulcrum]

Herro :)
I'm having a piping problem, and I'm quite unsure how to fix it...

I got 4 pumps feeding into 1 main pipe that splits into 2 output pipes, and the top pipe doesn't get flow. any ideas?

[vapid gorge]

how much fluid are you trying to move?

[hidden fulcrum]

Probably more than they can handle... I'll snag the numbers

[vapid gorge]

you really really need to do the numbers with fluids

[hidden fulcrum]

Noted :)
I'm probably getting the wrong numbers, they seem way out of range. what am I looking for specifically?

[frail sigil]

I have round abouts, and im tryna use path signals for them, do i place block signals at the exits?

[vapid gorge]

what are you trying to accomplish with these fluids?

[deft lichen]

just like with any junction, paths when entering and blocks when exiting

note that roundabouts are pretty bad compared to just X junctions

[hidden fulcrum]

I'm attempting to provide water to 7 coal plants, with 4 water extractors.

[vapid gorge]

and how much water does 7 plants need?

[hidden fulcrum]

to be honest, I don't know how to check that :/

[deft lichen]

it's shown in the UI

[vapid gorge]

figure out how much each coal gen needs

multiply that by 7

[deft lichen]

all buildings show their consumption and production in their UI

coal generators have it in the bottom left and you're looking for the per-minute value

[hidden fulcrum]

they seem to very, and I dont know which thing to read

[deft lichen]

you're looking for the per-minute value

most often, the per-minute value is what matters

[hidden fulcrum]

whats a pre-minute value?

[deft lichen]

now check the water extractor UI and the pipe UI

[deft lichen]

how much it uses or produces per minute

[unique cypress]

per minute

[hidden fulcrum]

That makes more sense. So I should read how much coal it uses? If so that's 262.5

[deft lichen]

that can't be right

[vapid gorge]

it says , in red, how much is in building
in yellow, consumption

what are you reading where you're getting these numbers?

[deft lichen]

did you overclock it?

and if so, is the same generator showing 45 water and 37.5 coal somehow?

[unique cypress]

37.5 is at 250% speed

[hidden fulcrum]

was reading up here

[deft lichen]

yeah but then the water should change too

[unique cypress]

coal gens consume 3x more water than coal

[deft lichen]

before you have the hang of this, I recommend avoiding overclocking coal generators and water extractors

[vapid gorge]

just show the WHOLE console for hte generator in one shot pls. You're doing something weird

[hidden fulcrum]

the numbers very lots, should I times the highest?

[vapid gorge]

it shouldn't vary at all

show the whole console UI

[deft lichen]

they won't vary if you don't mess with the clock speed

[vapid gorge]

those numbers don't vary

read what you're looking at

[hidden fulcrum]

Forgot the bottem ones are overclocked... mb

[vapid gorge]

ok what Ondar said - Rip everything up, don't over clock things.

[unique cypress]

also, wtf are the devs doing? 45*2.5=112.5
why tf is this rounded to 113??

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

use these layouts, at regular clocking, to set up your power

[deft lichen]

the UI likes to round all over the place and very inconsistently @unique cypress

sometimes 0 digits, sometimes 4, sometimes 6

[vapid gorge]

@lofty sphinx here , do it like this

[lofty sphinx]

whaht

[vapid gorge]

keep your waste and fresh water seperated

[hidden fulcrum]

Rework the first floor, working well, second floors having problems. whats the blue line?

[lofty sphinx]

wait so are you just using only waste water to power somethings and only fresh for other

[vapid gorge]

blue is fresh water, red is waste

[hidden fulcrum]

I don't have waste, thankfuly :)

[vapid gorge]

both those are solution machines feeding scrap.
some run on fresh, some run on waste

[vapid gorge]

are you making scrap?

[hidden fulcrum]

makin raw powah

[vapid gorge]

then this convo isn't about you 😛

[hidden fulcrum]

my fault

[hidden fulcrum]

thanks for this :)

[lofty sphinx]

so you have fresh water making the waste water to power the other refineries

and then you just reuse the waste water?

[vapid gorge]

yup, like this

these are examples of hte various recipe combinations

[unique cypress]

Or just VIP 🤷‍♂️

[vapid gorge]

you basically just have 2 groups of solution refineries feeding 1 group of scrap refineries

[lofty sphinx]

this is what im working with so I need to figure out the math is that system is 3:5

[vapid gorge]

I have no idea what your recipes are or anything because modeler doesn't lable anything

what recipes are you using?

[lofty sphinx]

oh im using sloppy, normal

cant get the oil for electrode

[vapid gorge]

then look up sloppy + normal in that digram I linked you

[lofty sphinx]

I cant support a 3:5 ratio tho, cuz I cant bring enough baux

[vapid gorge]

this works in literally every volume of bauxite

[lofty sphinx]

wait I think im reading the ratio wrong

[vapid gorge]

so you hae 100% of refinery using Fresh
150% using waste right? for a total of 250% solution refinery

100/250 = 40% (fresh fraction)
150/250 = 60% (waste fraction)

that means, for however much bauxite you're processing, 40% of it needs to go to a fresh system, 60% to a waste system

for your recipes

so how much bauxite are you processing total?

[lofty sphinx]

480/m

[vapid gorge]

ok 480 x 0.4 is ?

(40%)

[lofty sphinx]

192

[vapid gorge]

cool. Clock 1 or more solution refineries to consume, in total, 192 bauxite pm for your fresh

[unique cypress]

pretty sure you can use modeler to figure it all out

[lofty sphinx]

can I?

[vapid gorge]

we're just about done here. why are you adding more crap to a pile that's nearly clean?

[lofty sphinx]

idk

[vapid gorge]

I'm talkign to Kyo

[lofty sphinx]

oh mb

[vapid gorge]

for interupting with unhelpful things

not your fault

anyway. so we know 192 for fresh, and how much for waste now?

[lofty sphinx]

288

[vapid gorge]

perfect!

this is the base recipe, how much you do you need the fresh clocked at?

192 pm / 200 pm

[lofty sphinx]

96%

[vapid gorge]

boom, 1 refinery at 96%!

and 288/200?

[lofty sphinx]

140%

[vapid gorge]

so 140% spread over however many refineries as you like 🙂

personally I'd just OC 1 ref to 140, but thats my style

[lofty sphinx]

I would to, thank you so much

[unique cypress]

288/200 is 1.44

as shown in modeler lol

splitting aluminium water is the only thing I geniuinely used modeler for

so I don't have to do it all by hand

[lofty sphinx]

so lwk how do I split 480 into 192 and 288

[unique cypress]

1 splitter

[lofty sphinx]

240 and 240?

[unique cypress]

and then 1 side fills up and you get 192 and 288

because the 192 refinery can't consume 240

[lofty sphinx]

trie

true

[unique cypress]

the ratio splitter isn't terrible tbh

but why bother?

[hidden fulcrum]

I'll keep that in mind next time, shaved a lot for the same amount of power. Thanks! :D

[vapid gorge]

a manifold

[slim gate]

okay so i'm pretty sure i have my math right, but my foundries are running empty on iron ore. hoping someone will catch my mistake. i've got a line of 120/min iron and a line of 60/min iron coming in. i run both of those through splitters, so now i have 60/60/30/30. i merge 60+30s together so now i have 90/90, then run those through a splitter each, so i have 45/45/45/45. so now i can't figure out why i have 4 foundries where even if i prime them they start losing the battle. thoughts?

[wet breach]

no loose belt?

also make sure its a mk2 belt on the 90

[slim gate]

just traced the whole system. i did find one short stretch after a merger on my impure iron nodes where for like 20m it was mk1 with 90/min on it, so there was a slight bottleneck, but i corrected that 10 mins ago and reprimed the foundries, and they're still losing

[vapid gorge]

Follow it back again and look for another bottle neck as well what your miners are clocked at

[slim gate]

miners are all at 100%, i haven't modified them at all. they're all mk1, most on impure nodes, in groups of 2 or 4 combining their output.

[lofty sphinx]

btw where did you get this

[wet breach]

any stagnant belts

[unique cypress]

Trust me, you don't want to go down the rabbit hole of ratio splitters

They're a waste of time 99.99% of the time

[slim gate]

just my coal, but that's because they're waiting on iron to come in and start the foundry

[lofty sphinx]

I need to split 432 into 300 and 192, and I want to make sure I do it accurately becasue the 300 is sent on train

or should I just 216 and overflow should let it work fine

[unique cypress]

I would avoid getting into this situation in the first place

But if you absolutely have to, use a smart splitter and send the overflow into the train

[wet breach]

no issue with the setup as you describe it, the foundries are eating 45 a minute right?

[slim gate]

yes

it should be 100% efficient in that regard

[wet breach]

yeah no idea then, try ssing the layout from the watch tower

[vapid gorge]

what are you shipping?

[lofty sphinx]

aluminium ingots, and the 192 is to make casing

[vapid gorge]

you mean 132?

[lofty sphinx]

yes mb

[vapid gorge]

then make a group of ingot machines make 300, merge those
have another group of ingot make 132

clocking is your most powerful logistical tool in the game. Use it everywhere

[lofty sphinx]

ill try

but since I am making 834 scrap/m I have to use 2 seperate belts

I can just raise the 300 up and keep the 132 down and put that into a constructer

[slim gate]

you've got to be shitting me. so i went into photo mode and noticed that my 120 line had gaps in it. 3 ores, small gap, 3 ores, small gap, etc. ran the entire conveyor back to my 4 impure nodes where they merge. there was a section of belt like 2 belt lengths long feeding into a merger at mk1. there's the cause of my issue i think

[vapid gorge]

just clock and merge things as needed 🙂

[vapid gorge]

were you placing mergers directly onto belts?

[slim gate]

i don't usually, so i don't think so

[vapid gorge]

if it's a short bit right next to a merger/splitter it's likely you did. Happens a lot that way

[slim gate]

here comes the last of the issue thank god

[rapid nimbus]

Any tips to manage to extract 3,100 uranium /min?

[vapid gorge]

mods?

or use the dumb conversion recipes

[rapid nimbus]

Roger

I’m Gonna die

[glossy wagon]

I'm building a 0.5 HMF factory from 120 ore, how do i do the 75/45 split

[random creek]

If you mean split a belt you can just split the belt over time a belt fills forcing them to the other output so it all runs 100

[glossy wagon]

I mean load balance because the line of 75 is going to 2.5 smelters and the line of 45 is going to a foundary to make steel ingots

[vapid gorge]

you want to load balance that? sounds like pain

manifold will work with what you're talkign about

[random creek]

^

[glossy wagon]

This is what i'm talking about, I guess it breaks my brain

[vapid gorge]

same answer, manifold it

[random creek]

Just split the belt and send em to their machines as a manifold. Keep the 45 screw line as a mk1 belt to artificially limit how much is going therr

Over time the 45 screws a minute fills and forces the rest down the other side

[glossy wagon]

so same answer for steel pipe and steel beam?

[vapid gorge]

manifolds work basically everywhere

[glossy wagon]

I don't know why I complicate this so much.. Thanks

[vapid gorge]

the second easiest thing you can do with steps that are after ore, is clock groups of machiens to make what you want and put them on a belt. This is good if the two spots you're sending things to are in very different locations or using vehicles

[random creek]

My question is why so small of a factory for this?

[vapid gorge]

so you could make 1 group of Rod constructors make 15pm, put that on a belt, and clock a different group to make 26.25 pm

[glossy wagon]

I'm a noob. I'm trying my hand out at building a "modular factory" in grasslands when I have a mall or megabase on the NE shore so i'm just trying to expand my creativity and not just have ONE BIG BASE for everything

So have a small factory only producing one part and then I'll connect it to a train line

[random creek]

Thata fair. If at least make it do 1 full machine output though

[glossy wagon]

1 HMF?

[random creek]

Believe it's 2.5 a minute at 100%

I actually did that at first then went back and adjusted clocks and sloops to double the output since the project im on eats through alot of them

Hmf is one of the few products I sloop since I dont intend to automate more than 1 manufacturer for personal use so

[glossy wagon]

Oh i don't have the belts for that yet

[rapid nimbus]

So 7,750 Uranium /min sounds like absolute insanity

[wind spade]

generally "megabase" means "all production in one place" 😉

[short hollow]

just real quick, how much coal generators can i power with 3 water pumps and mk1 pipe

is it 8?

and is 120coal per minute enough for 8 coal gens

[wind spade]

you don't need any pumps
and yeah 3 extractors to 8 gens

[unique cypress]

1 coal gen consumes 45 water/min. 1 extractor produces 120/min. 8*45=360 and 3*120=360. So the math checks out
But 360 is more than 300, which is what a mk1 pipe can handle, so you'll need 2

[short hollow]

2 water extractors.. ill have 3 just to be sure then

[short hollow]

a yea misspoke

[unique cypress]

? No, I said 3 extractors. But 2 pipes. You can't fit 3 extractors on 1 mk1 pipe, so you need 2

[short hollow]

ohh

like 2 seperate pipelines?

im a wee confused

i think i set it up right, thanks

[unique cypress]

!wikisearch cg

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[unique cypress]

^ Some examples on how you can set it up

The limit is on each individual pipe segment, not the entire pipe network

[short hollow]

i done the 1st one up top

thanks

[sour marsh]

why wont it work ?

[wind spade]

because you can't fully automate liquid biofuel

you need to either remove that or provide it with a biomass source in items, input

[sour marsh]

ah okay

[main thicket]

im trying to power 4 lights with a fully overclocked biofuel generator and when i try to turn it on the fuse blows. why? the lamps consume 6MW all together and the generators can produce 75MW

[unique cypress]

hoverpack?

[lone igloo]

Is that time again to make mid game power plant with 1200 crude oil

[main thicket]

i ended up changing it but im 100% sure i was stupid and forgot the hoverpack

thanks

[wet breach]

Where'd you get this

[lone igloo]

what oil?

[wet breach]

nah the ss

is that a vid or you made it

If it was a video series that'd be useful for me to aim how much I should produce in each phase

[lone igloo]

I just made it. its some basic math and there is still another pure node here but I wont use it for power just probably for one of many plastic or rubber productions

[wet breach]

aww, alr thanks for answering

[lone igloo]

Once I finish building I can give you a tour, and explain few things if you really fancy.

[wet breach]

sure that'd be really nice

[lone igloo]

But its massive project which may take me some time to finish as its the mid game power setup and I need to place around 200+ machines

[wet breach]

doom (sounds exciting)

[frosty snow]

good or bad idea

[lone igloo]

looks good

[unique cypress]

you can use alts to swap coal for oil and get rid of the need for quartz if you want

[frosty snow]

what are the alts called?

[wind spade]

I mean it's a good idea if you like it 😉

[unique cypress]

sloppy alumina, elecrode scrap, pure aluminium ingot

[wind spade]

getting rid of quartz means you'd need more bauxite btw

[vapid gorge]

seems fine? I'd probably make a bit more than that total though. The alum parts can be real hogs

[frosty snow]

might have to do a few reloads but should be fine?

[unique cypress]

not if you use the other alts

[wind spade]

for personal use it's more than enough

[vapid gorge]

oh for personal use that's huge

[frosty snow]

seems fine to me i cba for quarts anyway 😭

[wind spade]

no matter what alts you use, pure alu reduces ingots you get per bauxite

[lone igloo]

ngl coal is so abundant on the map and quartz are easy to, just double that process and you'll be fine as hell

[unique cypress]

it reduces the ingots per scrap. ingots per bauxite depends on the other recipes too

[frosty snow]

ngl i didnt expect it to all be so close

[lone igloo]

yeah but that dude aint min maxing at that point so waht his got probably more than enough to get done 1st things in phase 4

[wind spade]

if you change base ingot for pure, it reduces ingots you get per bauxite... I know what I'm talking about

[frosty snow]

im gonna fix this and then get started on that

[lone igloo]

Just do it your way you showed us, get it setup and see how you like it and you good to go. If you dont like it use alts but what you got is perfect and just double or triple that process to get enough low tier phase 4 per/min.

[frosty snow]

okay thanks

[lone igloo]

I've seen you speak sense in here, what are your thoughts on this as I'm kinda tourn on if I should get extra 20 sulfur from another node or not.

Issue is that if I get extra 20 I can setup a packager that makes 20 turbo packaged fuel that can run into sink at full and its can go into dimensional for jetpack but that means I gotta now get 20 sulfur from another node as I only got mk2 miners and mk4 belts. I was kinda thinking just dropping 20 for packaged fuel and fck it but then my Heavy oil will fill up and make my power fluctuate...

[wind spade]

• kMW doesn't exist, use GW instead 😉
• personally I don't like turbofuel, I wouldn't bother with it, diluted fuel -> nuclear imo

[lone igloo]

so you telling me to force into phase 4 by making some things around the map to finish phase and make diluted fuel as I will need blenders

[vapid gorge]

you can use refineries for diluted fuel very easiyl

[unique cypress]

you can also use diluted packaged fuel. same oil efficiency, uses refineries and packagers instead of blenders

[wind spade]

diluted packaged fuel needs refineries only

[lone igloo]

so with same amount of oil I can make 4GW instead of 4.2GW and it doesnt need sulfur or coal which is GREAT!

Just done all math and amount of things I will need and it seems good probably go that route ngl but still want some turbo fuel into my jetpack

[unique cypress]

that's just straight up false lol

[amber umbra]

If you like turbo fuel, making turbo fuel is fine. The number tuning on power is pretty generous making most anything viable.

[deft lichen]

even if you meant DPF, it still needs packagers which are a separate milestone

[lone igloo]

I got everything just forgot about the diluted fuel with refineries and packagers as I've not used it in a long time been doing turbo fuel mainly

[deft lichen]

you've been making turbofuel out of the base fuel recipe...?

[lone igloo]

No no

Alt turbo fuel with heavy oil

[oblique hollow]

..Turbo Heavy?

[deft lichen]

even worse 😭

[wind spade]

but not in T7

[oblique hollow]

Turbo Heavy: the best of the worst

[oblique hollow]

... in T7 it needs blenders if thats what you mean

[wind spade]

refineries are T5?

[lone igloo]

Yeah but it worked for me to complete 2 runs before just want to make 1.1 save with nice setups and turbo fuel seemed boring to do again

[oblique hollow]

Yes refineries are T5, packagers are involved too - they are tier 5 after all too

So just refineries isnt accurate as the others stated

[wind spade]

well I meant the recipe, not the process (obviously)

[oblique hollow]

Yes its T5

I think the oil processing milestone alone is needed....
Not sure tho

[unique cypress]

yep, just checked

it should need packaging too tbh

[oblique hollow]

Hmm funny how its not the packager milestone but i guess they want you to be able to preplan

[wind spade]

well given that's the one you need to extract oil, it's kinda obvious lol

[oblique hollow]

Yeah but at that point you can have packagers still locked

Kinda like getting Pure recipes while you still don't have refineries

[unique cypress]

tbf, only wet concrete is the werido, unlocked with water instead of with refineries

the pures all ned refs

[oblique hollow]

Kinda worthy of a bug report

[wind spade]

I mean if we do indirect requirements, we could list much more than just packagers 🤷 I was talking about requirement to unlock the recipe

[fallow siren]

you only unlock packaged fuel alt if you unlock packaging milestone anyway

[wind spade]

wiki says that's not the case 🤔

[fallow siren]

at least thats the case for me

[wind spade]

it's locked behind oil processing

[fallow siren]

which is not the case for me, i only got that alt once i unlock the packaging milestone

and im very certain bcs i can no longer scan my hard drives before unlocking it

[wind spade]

weird

[unique cypress]

Game code say milestone 5-1

which looks like oil processing

[wind spade]

I mean wiki is generated from this, so it should be the same as wiki

[unique cypress]

pretty sure the wiki is generated from the docs

I pulled this out from the UE paks

[wind spade]

which are used to generate docs 🤷

[lone igloo]

is it still good to loop the end of fluid pipe back to the front?

[queen slate]

If your buildings need it - sure.

[unique cypress]

I mean I'd say it never was but some people disagree so idk

[lone igloo]

well its a pipe manifold for 600 crude oil into 20 refineries idk will I need it

[queen slate]

Probably not. Also I forgot if MK2 pipes still tend to be slower than 600.

[lone igloo]

we will figure that out soon ah

[nova bough]

.

[lone igloo]

so pipes now connect with bps right. I can extend pipe to the end of a design and it will connect with new one?

[queen slate]

They do.

[crimson moat]

Yeah, should be fed/drained from at least 2 places but more is more better

[lone igloo]

This means that it will connect right?

[tropic urchin]

hey i need some opinions. What is the best and most sam efficient way to creat dark matter residue. i need about 3200 residue in my plan and im already using up 8000 SAM and i dont think theres much left in a satisfactory world.

[unique cypress]

you can make DMR without using any SAM if you want

Oscillators and power shards are both net DMR positive if you use the trap alt for DMCs

[tropic urchin]

Thats pretty good, so theoretically i could just chain oscillators ?

untill i had enough dmr

[unique cypress]

have fun
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=mVsYHv3U5dSCUq80rvo8

[tropic urchin]

yeah im using modeler right now haha

[unique cypress]

shards work too, but you can't sink them

[tropic urchin]

that was my thought

[unique cypress]

you'll have to turn them into ionized fuel and either burn it or package and sink

that'll allow you to recover some of the power cost, but tbh just doing oscillators and rocket fuel is probably better

[tropic urchin]

i have a lot of excess oil so will probably make oil diamonds. for the record do you know the max sam in a satisfactory world?

[unique cypress]

though shards don't use any bauxite, so that might be a better choice since that's often in short supply too

here's 3200 DMR from shards
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=kIN2tzb6fVGCgyyZCJ0s

either way, it costs a ton of diamonds lol

[unique cypress]

10200 SAM

[tropic urchin]

dont think the remainder is enough sam

[unique cypress]

remeber about slooping RSAM and/or Ficsite

[tropic urchin]

so will prob have to farm the oscillators since i dont want backup on storage

Slooping is for non planners

we go raw here

[unique cypress]

you very much can get rid of the shards too

[tropic urchin]

but you cant sink them?

[unique cypress]

you can't put them straight into the sink, no

but you can get rid of them via ionized fuel

via packaging and sink or fuel gens

I'm not saying that's what you should do, or that it's the better idea, but you can do that if you need to

[tropic urchin]

very true , not sure if ill have the power for it all since ionized fuel is net negative power

[unique cypress]

it's net negative vs the rocket it consumes

[tropic urchin]

i have a big nuclear plant planned but it also is net negative due to ficsite

[unique cypress]

overall, it's net positive

so you'll only lose power if you use your existing rf supply

but if you make fresh RF, ionized will give you power

just less than the RF would've

[tropic urchin]

Okay i have a lot of modeling to do

thanks for the input i didnt know dmr was esentially renewable

[unique cypress]

for something so complicated I'd suggest a better calc but you do you

[tropic urchin]

how much bauxite in a world?

[unique cypress]

12300

[tropic urchin]

good

i prefer modeler ill see how it goes

where do you find out how much of something there is in a world. i cant find out anywhere how much coal there is

[unique cypress]

wiki and SFTools both have a list

[tropic urchin]

theres 42000??

no way

[unique cypress]

yeah, they added a lot in 1.0

[tropic urchin]

thats rediculous i wont need to worry then

[wind spade]

you almost never have to worry about resources

[late trench]

is there away to place mergers sideways without lift floor holes or do you have to do it that way

i need peek space efficiency

like that

oh wait blueprints i keep forgetting about those

ahhhhh

nvm blueprints dont work it just doesn't connect

to the lift on top

[lone igloo]

What would be best way to load up the canisters for diluted fuel method for power? Do I just fill it up full and manifold it all the way?

[unique cypress]

oh hell naw

don't merge canisters from multiple packagers

do 1:1:1 loops

[lone igloo]

Makes sense ngl

[unique cypress]

you only need like 20 canisters per refinery that way

instead of 300

[frosty owl]

Or at least use a balancer or balancefold
I found those quite satisfying to work with, even if they add some complexity

[lone igloo]

idc if its 20 or 2k its what ever ngl

[unique cypress]

it's very easy to do 1:1:1 BPs

no reason not to do that

[frosty owl]

Taste

[unique cypress]

plus you can put the canisters in the BP, so you don't have to handfeed them

[lone igloo]

I've already setup a stand alone packaging

[unique cypress]

I would consider countinuing with this a sunk cost fallacy, but I ain't about to tell you what to do, only what you can do

[lone igloo]

I wish I could BP water extractors...

[lone igloo]

Pump have 10m headlift right? that is approx 14-16m but pump wont snap should I worry or add one in the middle of the verticle pump?

[marsh atlas]

I'd just put one halfway up or so

[sinful frost]

I have eight coal-powered generators set up with three water extractors. From examples of this setup I have seen, all generators have zero power shards. Say if I added three power shards for max overclocking to each one of these generators, how many more water extractors and lines of coal would this power grid need? Or is this without the power shards enough to power everything I need?

Many other buildings will have power shards equipped. Especially my mk. 2 miners.

[main thicket]

u should problably overclock them to just to be safe. U can see on the wiki page about the coal generators how much more they will consume when overclocked.

[wind spade]

I mean you can do the math yourself

[sinful frost]

Gotchya. I'll crunch the numbers once I get everything in place. Currently rebuilding everything from scratch.

[main thicket]

before i do anything stupid, will those valves have any problems? Ive put them this way to avoid backflow from the water extractos

[wind spade]

generally just "don't use valves"

best case scenario they do nothing

[main thicket]

thats the plan

[wind spade]

any other case they can break your system

[main thicket]

im afraid because sometimes when i connect multiple extractors in one pipe, one of them wont push away fluids and ends up idling half the time and the other one runs continious

[wind spade]

that's usually when pipe is full because it's not flowing well enough (which is usually when you have issues feeding machines on the other side)

the valve won't help (much)

better to solve the actual problem

[main thicket]

ill build the whole thing and see if it runs

worst case scenario i delete the game

[magic island]

Fully sharding any machine multiplies all numbers by 2.5. 8 sharded coal generators consume 300 coal and 900 water.

note: If you shard part of a system, you can cover its needs by sharding the rest of the system too (ie, shard the generators AND the water extractors). Just bear in mind belt/pipe capacities and such.

[sinful frost]

Heard!

[sinful frost]

In other words, machines scale evenly as you add power shards?

If that is the correct wording.

[magic island]

Yes, that is the case when it comes to resources in/out.

(Power consumption scales on a curve though)

[ember glen]

are either of these recipes extremely worth it? I'm currently trying to find the diluted fuel recipe and I am not sure if I am making a mistake in rescanning this drive

[crimson moat]

no

[ember glen]

gotcha, tysm! ♥

unfortunate roll. Neither seem amazing?

should I just take the coke steel in this case

[crimson moat]

you can leave them there and they won't come up next time

whereas if you pick bad recipe A, then the bad recipe B will come up.

worst case scenario you decide later that you want to use one, and just pick it

[ember glen]

thats so smart omg

I just got heavy oil residue, should I wait until I find the diluted fuel recipe to start my power plant?

[crimson moat]

yeah

[ember glen]

GRAHHHH

ok thank you friend!

[main thicket]

any tips on how to put them on the wall to go up without much effort?

[crimson moat]

you can just use autoconnect blueprint

[wind spade]

"worth" depends purely on you

[fading void]

if you have a bunch of hard drives backed up i would build your factory and then while your building scan them all

[old hearth]

how do i ge this to work do i need to sushi belt balance for this to work or smth

i would assum priority mergers would help and smart splitters would be needed

but how do

[unique cypress]

Pretty sure you'd have to do 1 1200 belt of coal, then a sushi belt. 3 coal for every 1 TF on the belt

[old hearth]

why 3

wouldnt it be15

[unique cypress]

1500 - 1200 = 300

[old hearth]

dur

[unique cypress]

One full belt of coal, the rest on the sushi belt

[old hearth]

yeah no that makes sense

so then what do i do

or how do i make it do that

ive never sushied

[unique cypress]

Neither have I 💀

[old hearth]

well im not making it yet ill find a chef by then

[unique cypress]

Theoretically, if you do the right ratio, it'll work

[unique cypress]

Well, I mean, not this

I did sushi belts, but not sushi input

[old hearth]

what i was wondering was if i make a prio meger for turbo fuel will it work

[unique cypress]

Sushi belts with smart splitters for each input are much more forgiving

[old hearth]

probably not

[unique cypress]

No, because once you get to 100 TF in the accel and then another one on the belt, the entire belt stops

[old hearth]

yeah

erm

hmm

[unique cypress]

It won't completely stop running because of the 2nd coal belt, but it'll slow down to essentially a 1200/min coal input

[old hearth]

soi how do i force it to go in the order of coal coal coal fuel repeat

[unique cypress]

Like I said, exactly 3 coal for each 1 turbofuel

[old hearth]

i know i mean in that order on the belt

[unique cypress]

Or, more strict, this plus exactly 300 coal and 100 TF/mon

Not sure if that's necessary tho

Theoretically not, just the right ratio should be enough

But idk how that works out with the second belt

You can try it tho

[old hearth]

so regular merger?

i will have to

im gonna have to ask a sushi belt guy if i cant

[unique cypress]

Make sure the TF and coal belts are full and can supply at full belt speed. Can use MK2 belts for that. Merge them normally.

Then, merge that mixed belt with another coal belt

That should give you the 1:3 ratio

Use the slowest belts possible after both mergers, and make sure the input belts are full

[old hearth]

i think that could work

minus the part i will make 720 ish fuel

[unique cypress]

If not, I'll have to tell you how to build a 100/min belt limiter 💀

Shouldn't be that terrible tbh

[vapid gorge]

I'd just put half of each on 2 belts, over flow to sink until it's balanced out. let it run

I mean, I wouldn't do this in the first place, but that's probably how you want to go

[old hearth]

though its only 700 after the weird accel that isn t at full clock speed

[old hearth]

i wanna try it but if that works then yeah

[vapid gorge]

hmm except coal doesn't stack that much

[old hearth]

i mean coal and fuel stack to the same size

[vapid gorge]

yeah which is a huge issues since you need so much more coal

[old hearth]

so i suppose two sushit belts could work

i meant sushi but the mispelling is accurate

[old hearth]

would it not just be like make a 120 belt offshoot then split it into 6 and put 10 back to the start

then i make it 7 times lmao

[unique cypress]

With a priority merger just in case, yes

[old hearth]

priority on what

[unique cypress]

On the merge of the 10

[old hearth]

woiulding it be 20

[unique cypress]

You said 10 so I said 10 lmao

Yes it's 20

[old hearth]

im not good at typoing lol

[unique cypress]

You're looping back less than half so the priority shouldn't be needed but idk

[old hearth]

eh may as well

[unique cypress]

I never checked how those limiters behave with a clogged output so maybe it's needed to recover from that state

Definitely doesn't hurt

Not that you can have a clogged output on the limiter, because that means the sushi is clogged

And that's probably unrecoverable without manual intervention

[old hearth]

I think if I do that 4 times (3 for coal one for fuel) then merge 2 twice then merge 1 more time it'll work

[unique cypress]

Actually, that made me wonder why the devs made Turbo Diamonds use Packaged TF. The PA has a perfectly usable fluid input
And Turbo Ammo can already be made with either

[old hearth]

Maybe cause they wanted the canister cost to be accounted

[frosty owl]

3 mergers:
1 takes 2 belts of coal
1 takes 1 belt of Coal and one of Turbofuel
The third merges the prior 2
So long as the input belts are full, the output will be 3 coal every 1 Turbofuel, regardless of the throughput

Actually, skip the merger for coal+coal xD

[old hearth]

So how do I make it full

[frosty owl]

How do you make what full?

[old hearth]

The turbo fuel

I have 700 per min after the weird accelerator that's underclocked

Which doesn't fill up any belt

[frosty owl]

700/min fills all belts except MK5 and 6
Am I misunderstanding something?

[old hearth]

So I do a 480

Have 220 left

Or something

Or how do I force a lower tier belt to be full but have all of them full

[vapid gorge]

smart splitter?

[old hearth]

How

[vapid gorge]

if you have the other belts set to over flow it'll prioritize the non overflow belt

that's the main use of smart splitters

[old hearth]

My thoughts is I could use a 120 on 6 inputs then the last one is goody

[unique cypress]

I don't think the belt has to be full full. Just the input of the merger has to always have an item in it. So that it doesn't merge an extra coal in, ruining the ratio

Buffer the belt with a small container and imo it should be enough

[old hearth]

Yeah that could work

Well Ill try a bunch of things when I get there

[frosty owl]

Alright, this needs some texting...
What I just explained, is a contraption that output a SPECIFC pattern of items (3 coal every 1 Turbofuel) regardless of throughput, so long as it's provided with full belt of items (assuming all at the same MK). No matter if the output backs up or not, the pattern remains stable

Ie: if the contraption can output 1200/min but the machine can take 400/min, the items will safely back up without ruining the pattern of items

Alternatively, one could "just" merge exactly 300 Coal with 100 Turbofuel and shove those into the Accelerator. There's many ways to get ratios exactly (load-balancing, clocking machines...), one can just choose whatever they like most

[haughty barn]

I think you should be able to sink power shards

This is definitely not a play to generate dark matter crystals from coal and quartz

[tame harbor]

It's called "ionized fuel"

[crimson moat]

put 300 coal per min onto belts (you can extract exactly that via taking slower belts from faster ones, smart splitter to always put coal on slow belt if there's a slot)

put 100 packaged turbofuel onto belt via packagers, exactly

merge together
empty buffers in the machine if needed once everything is ramped

pray

it shouldn't diverge, but if it does, it won't recover in a stable fashion

3 mergers:
1 takes 2 belts of coal
1 takes 1 belt of Coal and one of Turbofuel
The third merges the prior 2
So long as the input belts are full, the output will be 3 coal every 1 Turbofuel, regardless of the throughput

This sounds smarter

but i think the even more smarter thing is just clock it for 1200 coal and build a second one

[wintry jewel]

hey, so im setting coal power for a new co-op world im doing with a friend and i got 3 water extractors pumpin out 150 water/min and need to evenly split the three into 10 coal generators, anyone able to help?

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

some example coal layouts. I recommend just making groups of 8

[unique cypress]

Why can't this shit just be consistent

According to its default crafting recipe, DMR should have a sink point value of 160

But according to the default TC recipe, it's 130

How am I supposed to calculate the theoretical value of power shards when 2 recipes involving DMR can't agree on what its value is

[deft lichen]

some parts have negative sink value

[unique cypress]

Lmao which ones?

[deft lichen]

I think DMR is one of them. I definitely heard that on stream somewhere