math-and-meta

[lone lily]

yeah for me I made pretty much my entire bases aluminum requirements in one spot and then just shipped the casings and sheets where needed

with the exception of a small local aluminum plant for ficsite

[sharp knoll]

the only holdover i have is heat-fused frames, since they require aluminum ingots and are probably gonna be made somewhere further away

[lone lily]

well you could use the normal fmf recipe

[sharp knoll]

I could but the thought of slooping and sharding 2 blenders for 30 fused frames a minute is pretty appealing

[fresh geyser]

doing the math myself using these amazing signs

[brisk urchin]

me with just the calculator on my phone plus the calculator in the search tab ingame

[fresh geyser]

i don't use any of these

[brisk urchin]

lol

[brisk urchin]

gl in mid to end game then

🤣

[fresh geyser]

making 7.5 per minute heavy modular frames

[brisk urchin]

ah u already mid game

[unique cypress]

I hope you're using Heavy Encased Frame

[fresh geyser]

no

i use flexible one ^^

[unique cypress]

my condolences

[fresh geyser]

lmao thanks for reminding me about alt recipes

[unique cypress]

ok that's not nearly as terrible as default

[fresh geyser]

i have few hard drives

i just realized that i made 56.25 RIPs per minute

[lone lily]

You too?

[fresh geyser]

what is this

[lone lily]

My production wall, where I keep track of how much i'm producing around the base

and then when I want to produce more of stuff I update all the numbers by hand

[snow junco]

Wow great Idea !

[cerulean stratus]

yo, wtf is fused quartz

adding a ton of coal to do... 3 more crystal per min as opposed to just using the default? this is a scam

[haughty barn]

I think it’s quite a bit faster iirc

[vapid gorge]

@swift portal

Blue is fresh, red is waste

Just don’t connect them

[swift portal]

I don't know if my math will work out that way, gah

[vapid gorge]

Just use clocking

Unless you’ve connected multiple nodes of bauxite into one system it should be easy

[swift portal]

I did, my input is 780 baux

[vapid gorge]

So 1 pure node? Easy

What recipes are you using?

The example system above is 780 using sloppy electrode

[swift portal]

I was mixing recipes but I don't think I can do that

[vapid gorge]

Wdym mixing recipes?

It’ll work the same just gotta math it

[swift portal]

780 baux = 3.9 refineries running sloppy. output is wonky

So if I turn off the one running at 90% just to make it easier, that makes 3 with an input of 600 and output later in the chain of 360. How do I run refines with the waste when it doesn't divide?

I can't get the math to work

[vapid gorge]

What scrap recipe are you using?

[swift portal]

Normal

[vapid gorge]

Ok calculate the total water your solution needs

Sloppy normal is the top right diagram

It shows you need 40% of the water used run on the fresh system and 60% for waste

[swift portal]

780 water to make the alumina solution

My scrap refines output 420

Even if I run the water to power seperate refineries for alumina solution I have that extra 20 water

If I go down to only 3 refines doing sloppy, that's 600, with 360 scrap output

How am I meant to supply seperate refineries on that 360?

I've set it up exactly like that diagram and I guess it only works in bauxite multiples of 500?

[vapid gorge]

No?

[swift portal]

Okay, maybe I'm just misunderstanding it.

[vapid gorge]

I don’t think you have the right numbers

[swift portal]

Let me recheck my numbers and type things out. Like I said, 600 bauxite means 600 water. That means 360 output. What am I meant to do with the 360?

[vapid gorge]

600 or 780 bauxite? You’re changing the numbers

[swift portal]

I had said 780 before because I was filling a mk5 belt. I changed it to only use 600 because otherwise I'm underclocking alumina refineries or using the normal slumina recipe. I was trying to see if I could understand a round number like 600 more.

[crimson moat]

Your numbers are too large to easily work with (pipe flow rate limits etc)

for 300 bauxite for example you do the following:

Clock refinery A1 to consume 90 fresh water via Sloppy Alumina

Clock refinery A2 to consume that amount of sloppy alumina via Electrode Scrap, and output water

Create refineries e.g. B and C with the same recipies, consuming the waste from A2 and their own waste.

[swift portal]

I changed my setup to the top right one depicted here, but it only works at 500 baux as far as I can tell.

[crimson moat]

The amount used is irrelevant so long as it doesn't exceed belt or pipe limits. The only relevant part is the ratio.

How much fresh water do you need to consume with fresh refineries in order to put e.g. 300 water/min through the system total? With Sloppy+Electrode, it's 90. So you have one refinery consuming 90 fresh water, and no other pipe connected to that fresh water.

[vapid gorge]

So 240 fresh clock your fresh refinery to use that

[swift portal]

but then it outputs more water?

[crimson moat]

That's already taken into account

[vapid gorge]

And have a few refineries only using waste clocked to use the waste water of 300 whatever

[crimson moat]

the geometric sum of 0.7 (the ratio of input to output water on each cycle) is 3.333 repeating so the total water in the system is 3.333x 90, which is 300.00.

[vapid gorge]

2 groups of solution refining remember?

[swift portal]

I'm really confused. This diagram shows 360 going "back". Am I meant to underclock a refine to only need 160?

[devout ingot]

can i ask someone here to review my satisfactory model i almost finished in dms or do rules say not to that stuff

[crimson moat]

You need to have the fresh and waste water refineries in the correct ratio, yes. To do that you need either very specific numbers of buildings, or you need to change the clock speeds.

For sloppy/electrode, your fresh refineries need to consume 90 water for the whole system to process 300 bauxite. The 90 water going in gets spent an average of 3.333x before it's deleted, so it functions like 300 water input.

[vapid gorge]

2 groups of refineries

1 group uses 240
1 group uses 360

The 240 group is fed off fresh
360 off waste

What is the issue here

[swift portal]

So I'm overclocking the fresh to 240, and underclocking the waste

[vapid gorge]

Clock the groups however you like, as long as they use those amounts total

[vapid gorge]

You haven’t read their problem or even know the recipes they are using and are giving them bad info. Stop confusing them

[vapid gorge]

So, for example, the fresh water refinery could be overclocked to 240/200, and you could have 1 waste water refinery clocked to 360/200

[swift portal]

I think I have it

[vapid gorge]

Let me know how it goes 🙂

[wind spade]

Uses Foundry and has good quartz to crystal rate

[jade fossil]

Guys I'm stuck at tier 5, any tips?

[fallow siren]

what part of tier 5 are you stuck on?

[wind spade]

tip: give us more info

[fierce prawn]

any tips on transporting bulk ores with trains better?

is it better to do shorter trains (2-3) with lots of them on one loop or one big train (6)

making a factory with like a third of the map’s quartz and realizing that 5400 quartz and 1200 limestone is a hell of a lot of 100-stacking items to move by train

[wind spade]

it's basically a personal choice, I'd suggest doing direct A to B trains

[fierce prawn]

the ores are coming from two directions with the plant roughly in the middle, so currently i’ve planned them to be two separate A-B trains

but since this central area is so built up, the tracks are partially shared by half a dozen other trains, so im worried about speed bottlenecks

[fallow siren]

if your issue is traffic, it can be easily solved just by adding more rails

4 ways sometimes enough for entire network of hundreds of trains

[wind spade]

eh, there's hardly ever reason to have more than 1 track going in one direction, especially since trains do not choose the track they will go on

[fallow siren]

yeah but the guy above stated that all of his trains goes into one central area

[wind spade]

you very rarely have enough traffic for this to become an issue

[fallow siren]

it also depends on the spacing gap of your block signals are

[fierce prawn]

i do have most of my rain network up in a 2 lane system already, with pretty close signal placement, but it does have a lot of places where it splits off, so there are a few really busy sections

[fallow siren]

general approach is to have the spacing for longest train + 1 each block

that way your train will always running

resulting to less traffic

[fierce prawn]

gotcha

[fallow siren]

for example, rail max distance is 12 foundations, that entire block can fit 1 monorail and 4 cars

[fierce prawn]

perhaps at 700 hours in i should bite the bullet and finally learn what a path signal is, that may help

[wind spade]

eh, you can have shorter spacing

path signals increase throughput only very slightly, especially if you only build non-crossing junctions

[fierce prawn]

right, which is why i never bothered with them

but its getting spaghetti enough in some crossings that it may be good to

[cerulean stratus]

the good rate

more like waste of coal

[wind spade]

it's an option for people who want to trade coal for quartz

you're not supposed to like all recipes, but it's not "bad" or "crap"

[cerulean stratus]

I would be ok trading coal for more quartz crystal, but this isn't enough of an improvement, especially comparing to similar recipes like iron alloy

[wind spade]

then don't use it 🤷 but some people may find it useful for their situation

(though it also is pretty fast and saves a bit of machines)

[vapid gorge]

You can't compare iron alloy to this, as it's comletely different product

Look at your situation you find yourself in, decide if a recipe is useful. That's how they all go

[cerulean stratus]

You're turning something that was used with one input in something that was used with 2 inputs

I guess I'm the only one mad over this

[vapid gorge]

and they are 2 completely different things xD

Fused quartz is coal + crystal for crystal
iron alloy is copper + iron for iron

zero points of comparison

[fallow siren]

if you feel a little bit of funny, you can do fused quartz using raw quartz and coal into pink diamond which use coal + quartz crystal

[cerulean stratus]

When you hate coal in particular

You're basically trading 30 coal for 12.5 raw quartz

[fallow siren]

theres 40k coal in total, 30 is nothing

and quartz is much more rare than coal

ill gladly trade them for it

[cerulean stratus]

1- the comparison is not 30 to 40k, you can scale this up to however much you need
2- Considering global resources is a trap, as people organically will just go to places where a lot of different resources are concentrated
3- Quartz is very out of the way of everything it wants to interact with, while coal is not

[wind spade]

4- it depends on the situation the player is in

[oblique hollow]

I dont get why they make the water recipes so much better than the recipes that have you deal with other limited resources

guess they think pipes are that much of a difficulty trade (together with refineries) that its acceptable

[vapid gorge]

I do truly hate Refinery Simulator 2025

[fresh geyser]

refinery has cool sounds

[queen slate]

Refinery also needs additional power, as well as water extractors. And if you choose to build the system in a place without water, it's up to you how to solve this.

[unique cypress]

let's be honest, the pure recipes aren't useful at all unless you build on a large enough scale that using them would save you an entire node or even multiple.

Hell, even if you'd need another node without them, if it's nearby, there's still little reason to save the resources

Saving resources on later steps saves you from building everything beforehand. But before refineries/smelters, there are only miners

[vapid gorge]

power is basically nothing. Refs just suck

[wind spade]

eh, "node" is hardly relevant imo

% of available resources is more relevant

[strong ferry]

Why is satisfactory calculator kinda annoying, like the way i have to build stuff to get say 10 per minute of a part is absurd. Gotta underclock/overclock everything to a weird %. Couldnt it just round up so that i make 12 per minute, and i can have an even amount of machines on normal % underclock/overclock

[vapid gorge]

don't use the realistic view. It's dumb.
it's a computer program that has no concept of space or design

[vapid gorge]

much better and doesn't give you stupid things https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[strong ferry]

Thanks! <3

[unique cypress]

Then make a different amount?

That said SCIM's production planner is doghit

Use literally anything else and it'll be better

Even excel

[strong ferry]

Yeah but it always comes with some weird design, im fine with making 11.235 parts per minute, but having to have 100 machines and nodes with different clocks is kinda annoying, I cant test each result until i find a possible build. Impossible

[strong ferry]

I might try this link Cobalt just sent

[vapid gorge]

you can also just not use Realistic View for SCIM.

but tools is just better

[strong ferry]

Dont i have to? Because there are so specific amounts going into each machine, that i cant just use regular splitters. I have to make the machines optimized

[vapid gorge]

if you don't use realistic view it just tells you basic numbers

[unique cypress]

I have a feeling that's not an issue with the calculator. Every build is possible, even without changing any clock speeds, or doing any exact splitting

I just leave everything at 100% speed and manifold everything and it works

The machines don't all run at 100% uptime but what of it?

[strong ferry]

I guess that could work if you have good enough conveyors

[unique cypress]

I could build anything with mk1s too if I wanted

[noble timber]

Conveyors make no difference

[unique cypress]

I use belt balancers to basically ignore belt limits, but there's plenty of other solutions

They just aren't nearly as universal

[strong ferry]

belt balancers?

(sorry im new to the game, just trynna figure stuff out)

[noble timber]

Example being, 5 belts come in all with different amounts of X/min and out you get 5 evenly distributed belts

Or rather than manifolding you do a balancer that takes 1 belt and splits it into 4 even belts

[strong ferry]

ahhhh

thanks :)

[unique cypress]

For example, a 2:2 balancer takes 2 belts in, and spits out 2 other belts
No matter the items/min rates on any of the 4 belts involved, it distributes them correctly to where they're needed.

Which is why I say they ignore belt speed limits. The inside of the balancer is like an infinite capacity belt. You're only limited by the belts you connect to it. As long as each of them is under the limit, it works

[vapid gorge]

belt balancers are... a choice. Certainly.

It's easier to just clock your machines to produce exactly what you need on the next section by clocking them

[unique cypress]

I don't see how pasting one blueprint is harder than doing math and planning for each belt individually instead of all of them at once, and possibly placing extra machines or using extra shards

[magic island]

Usually I'm interested in specific amounts, rather than necessarily "even" amounts. So I might set up some wacky contraptions to get a precisely-proportioned split, but a general X-to-Y balancer is not something I often want.

I feel like the main use-case for a generic balancer is when a couple belts are entering a twinned set of manifolds, and those two belts may have been depleted at uneven rates along the way.

[mossy ibex]

yeah or just come in uneven in the first place like from one pure node and one impure node

especially if you're near some belt limit that makes manifolding awkward

I've used them once or twice in places

[old hearth]

rate my balancer lmao

[plucky tusk]

Lovin the curve belts

[wind spade]

0/10

[unique cypress]

All I can see is that it has 4 inputs and that it looks too small to be an actual 4:m balancer unless the m is like 2 or maybe 3

[old hearth]

its a 4 to 3

[unique cypress]

Then that should have 4 splitters and 9 mergers I think?

[old hearth]

they are stacked

it does

[old hearth]

i've built worse i built a 19-16 balncer in a mk2 bp designer

the clipping was insane

[unique cypress]

I kinda doubt you built it correctly

[old hearth]

probably not

[unique cypress]

Because that's a stuuupid balancer

[old hearth]

that thing single handedly caused me to break the object limit(i didnt realize at the time thouhg)

[unique cypress]

I mean it's not that difficult to build one correctly but not in a way that fits in a mk2 bp 🤣

[old hearth]

I dont use balancers to speed up wait times i use them to essentially make larger belt sizes or deal with math i dont wanna deal with

[unique cypress]

Same

1:n and n:1 balancers are pretty pointless
Just manifold instead

[old hearth]

so i never built them correctly i just make sure every input can reach every ouput, unless its small

then i build it right (normally with a shit load of clipping)

i literally hads like 25 bps just for balancers last save

[unique cypress]

I mean... https://imgur.com/a/j8fEcRv

[old hearth]

i saw that before

[unique cypress]

Idk if 25 but yeah I have a bunch too

[old hearth]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/s/HgDVabRD1T

[unique cypress]

Whenever I build onez it gets bpd

[old hearth]

prepoare to cry i've made like 4 that can fit in a mk2 bp designer that are way too large

[fresh geyser]

what are the balancer

s

[plucky tusk]

A series of splitter/merger

[unique cypress]

an n:m balancer takes n input belts and m output belts and makes them balanced - every input has a connection to every output with a full belt's capacity

[fresh geyser]

why not manifold

[old hearth]

it helps deal with annoying maths

i use both in conjunction

[unique cypress]

because a manifold can't fit more than 1 belt of items total?

a balancer isn't a replacement for a manifold either

you connect manifolds to it

[plucky tusk]

I never build big enough to use balancers

[unique cypress]

the biggest one I used was 20:20

for like 14k quickwire with mk5 belts

but like 2:2, 2:3, 3:2 and 3:3 are the most common probably

6:6 too for some reason

[crimson moat]

how do you go about doing that btw

[unique cypress]

4:4x5:5

4:4 = 2:2x2:2

and a 5:5 is a 6:6 with one belt looped back

[fresh geyser]

why do i need pumps

[unique cypress]

and 6:6 = 2:2x3:3

[unique cypress]

you need pumps to move fluid up

[crimson moat]

don't you know? pump it up

😆

[wind spade]

manifolds deal with annoying maths much easier

and "more than one belt" is "more than one manifold" 🙂

[old hearth]

i mean between larger than one belt sizes

[wind spade]

yeah that's just multiple manifolds

(or direct input)

[nova vortex]

if my pipes can hold 600 fluid and a refiner needs 30 fluid how many refiners can i have on one pipe

[mossy ibex]

that's a tricky question, but basically you don't want to rely on pipes being full

[nova vortex]

if my maths right its 20 right?

[mossy ibex]

like if you want 600/min of fluid, use 2 mk2 pipes or 3 mk1 pipes

[nova vortex]

ok ty

[mossy ibex]

you want the capacity to be about 50% larger than you need

it's not strictly true, but you'll save some headaches

[oblique hollow]

yes, but the important part is to use mk 1 pipes for the parts that move 30/min fluid into refineries

[nova vortex]

so the white ones should be mk 2 and the red ones should be mk1?

[nova vortex]

may i ask why?

[oblique hollow]

junctions dont like it if you use pipe mks that are far greater than the flow you want through them

a mk 2 pipe is overkill for 30/min

[unique cypress]

never had issues myself

[oblique hollow]

and "junctions dont like it" means "it will mess up flow rate if you are at the flow rate limit"

[unique cypress]

but I always top feed so idk

[nova vortex]

theres 34 refiners so i need the mk2 pipes

[oblique hollow]

yes, for the 600/min
but not for the 30/min

[nova vortex]

ok ill try it

k ill see if its worse or better

[nova vortex]

how u get curved walls?

[old hearth]

this base is 9 circles, so i built walls on the circles

[nova vortex]

what

[old hearth]

you can make sircles or at least shapes that look close to circles

[plucky tusk]

Use the rotation from the road barrier or use mods

[old hearth]

for me i just made a circle using the basic holding control with foundations for precise rotations

[plucky tusk]

Whatever works

[unborn dome]

Anyone have a favorite location on the map for electromagnetic control rods, as far as nearby nodes?
EDIT: Having a real hard time with this. Coal optional, copper maybe optional if I can get a train in.

[cerulean stratus]

ok guys I have a situation

I have a manifold of pure iron refineries

and it's supplying machines right in front of it, for iron wire and plates

but now, I need it to supply something solid steel, but I have no idea how to do this without ruining my design

[unique cypress]

Make a separate supply?

[cerulean stratus]

Yeah, that seems to be the best answer, maybe one above or on the other side

[vapid gorge]

@mellow lake well?

[crimson moat]

Ship in plastic, build on caterium and iron. Iron pipe + iron wire, plastic AI limiter.

[unborn dome]

That's a good point, I was thinking training the copper in, but yeah, iron wire...

[crimson moat]

few good spots here

(titan forest to north of swamp)

also southwest grassy fields, east side of the northern forest etc

[unborn dome]

The group of three normal irons and three cateriums is my computer factory, but there's enough overhead on those cateriums (they're only mk2 atm) that that's where I was thinking to build a train station to ship it to the ECR factory.

[crimson moat]

how many control rods do you need

[unborn dome]

36/min

[crimson moat]

108 caterium ingots

[unborn dome]

Yeah, seems reasonable. More caterium and less iron if I use quickwire stators, but still.

[crimson moat]

more iron is sometimes an inconvenience but never a major problem, it's effectively limitless

but then again, a lot of stuff is if you just play to finish assembly

[unborn dome]

Which is effectively what I'm doing, to a point

36 ECR/min is enough for my nuclear power now, and enough for ficsonium fuel later.

[unborn dome]

Can get surprisingly resource and space-efficient by using the alloying alts.

[vapid gorge]

right??

[unborn dome]

Only real catch is is that I need to sloop one of my recycled plastic refineries to get the last bit of plastic out of it. Not quite able to reach 122.5/min out of the overall oil refinery otherwise. But that's fine I think. I'm making 480/min plastic total, and the computer/electronics factory is using 417/min of that on its own.

[wind spade]

@keen brook well steam goes down every tuesday night for routine maintenance... that's planned

[unique cypress]

Alloys are pretty good if you can supply them with local resources. But if I'd have to pull an extra kilometer of conveyors, I'm taking pures, thank you very much

[fresh geyser]

fun

i don't need to use giant blenders but

[vapid gorge]

are manufacturers that much smaller?

[oblique hollow]

not really

[split sierra]

i feel bad for batteries

[oblique hollow]

Obsolete is the best word i can find for them

[vapid gorge]

yeah, barely an item

[split sierra]

using classic battery is the obvious choice because no one really wants to deal with alumina solution

and even then you already have nitro rocket fuel as an option to feed drones

[vapid gorge]

whichever is convenient? they aren't hte only ones either

[radiant terrace]

LOL i went for the right ones 😭

[vapid gorge]

that sounds like the most painful option

[split sierra]

i mean they're the same tier of speed and rocket fuel lasts about 20% longer iirc

also less aluminium demanding

but yeah convenience comes first

[vapid gorge]

this was to the person askign about oil nodes and then deleted the msg

[split sierra]

aaah okk

[mental rapids]

got a question here , planning/making an factory that i want for it to produce end game parts . The small ufo disk that you need 256x in phase 5 to continue but if i callculated correctly i would need to get rid of in tottal of 19.2M Dark Matter ressidue . Is there an fast way to get rid of it if i put them into Dark crystal or any other way? that you make with diamonds plus the dark matter?

[vapid gorge]

well you need some dark matter crytals in the build anyway right?

[mental rapids]

i do but when i calculated it i would need like 45000 diamonds which i think is way to much to get rid of it . So doesnt know if calculated it right

[vapid gorge]

have you made a proper plan in stisfactory tools or something?

[fresh geyser]

alclad casing alt recipe is so useless

normal recipe is much more effective

[split sierra]

well you actually make more dark matter than you need to input on the less efficient cristallziation recipe

[wind spade]

no? it makes more casing per alu ingot

[split sierra]

you can just sink the overflow iirc

[fresh geyser]

30 copper ingots per second to get additional 5 casing per minute

[wind spade]

yeah, it's for saving alu at the cost of copper

not to mention the increased speed per machine

[mental rapids]

hmm need to try it once home and on satisfactory . Also which web tool is that?

[vapid gorge]

a shockingly bad one for laying things out. It's called modeler

[split sierra]

satisfactory modeler on steam

[split sierra]

i'll remain modeler's strongest soldier

[vapid gorge]

what are you actually making?

[split sierra]

its just colors and shapes over text for me

also being able to freely set constraints works better in the array approach

[mental rapids]

i am making the end product for the phase 5 or last phase but got stumbled on how much diamonds i needed as didnt want to make the last parts automated just make how much i need and then make the part

[vapid gorge]

which ones? how much of each? any recipe in particular?

[split sierra]

if you dont care about automating space elevator parts just allocate the somersloops in each machine you need

[mental rapids]

AI Expansion Server which i need 256 of

[split sierra]

the cost decreases expontially

[vapid gorge]

are you doing something odd with the recipes? cause I'm not seeing there being enough resources on the map for 256 pm

[split sierra]

theyre not using parts per minute

[mental rapids]

not per minute just the full number 256

[vapid gorge]

ok if you're making a plan to process items it needs to be per minute

otherwise how do you know how much to mine?

it doesn't sound like you've actually made a production plan

[mental rapids]

that is what i am trying to figure out as everything i mostly have just trying to get rid of the dark matter ressidue

[vapid gorge]

just make dark crystals out of them then if that's really your only issue

[balmy sandal]

So I'vem just unlocked phase 4 in this run. I've been saving up my hard drives till I unlock bauxite production. how many do you think I'll need to get pure aluminium ingots and sloppy alumina?

[split sierra]

it's quite hard if youre making a one and done setup since you have a fluid output that needs to be processed and routed back

[unique cypress]

It's very useful when you need to make a shit ton of it. It doesn't save much aluminium, but some is better than none

And besides, you need the copper for sheets

[mental rapids]

there is alternate recipe.? o _ o that would fix all my troubles right now

[vapid gorge]

yup, and you can use it to make some of the dark matter crytals in the initial batch. Like waste water in Bauxite

[mental rapids]

aah i didnt see it in wiki was i blind yesterday?

[split sierra]

it's what i was using in the picture i sent, you actually make more dark matter than you need to consume so make sure to build and overflow

[unique cypress]

At least 2 🙃

But if you've been skipping a lot if recipes, you might need more than you'd want

[vapid gorge]

quite possibly 🙂

[vapid gorge]

shockingly, the planner that is nearly illegible with no recipe names of what's going on, isn't great at getting a poitn across

who could have predicted this

[split sierra]

not me because i know all the alt recipes by heart and everyone who doesnt has a skill issue!

(joking)

[vapid gorge]

maybe it's because you built the plan yourself. I would hope, at the very least, that the plans made in modeler made sense to the person that made them.

It's shockingly bad to use as any sort of example to anyone else

one of it's many faults

[unique cypress]

Frankly, I don't understand its appeal at all. Why would I want to do something manually when Tools can do the same thing in a few seconds?

[oblique hollow]

Its ok for personal planning but not that great for sharing.

If you don't share its usually good enough for what it is

[split sierra]

this implies that if everyone used modeler this channel wouldnt exist

[vapid gorge]

still no. I've used modeler before. It's jsut bad because it gives no information and you have to be constantly translating what the hell is happening

[mental rapids]

thanks for telling me there is alternate recipe for dark matter ressidue

[wind spade]

knowing recipes by hard doesn't help you to distinguish between RIPs and bolteed plates

[unique cypress]

There are many ways to get DMR

[vapid gorge]

There's a reason written language was created. And in part it was to avoid having to look at things like that

and the fact that it's just such a simple and obvious thing to have as part of any planner makes it even dumber for it not existing

[oblique hollow]

Technically there are no DMR alts, only defaults

[unique cypress]

There's like 4

More if you use sloops

[wind spade]

technically there's nothing like "alt" 😛

[split sierra]

because bolted is worse 😛

[wind spade]

that's subjective

[split sierra]

less machines but also less iron efficient ig

[vapid gorge]

even if it wasn't subjective, there's nothign written there that says 'worse'

[unique cypress]

In most cases, bolted isn't even less machines

[oblique hollow]

Its an alt if it has alt in the name

Everything else has an identity crisis

[wind spade]

that's one way to look at it, definitely not the only one 😉

[split sierra]

by like a small percentage, i was about to send a ss but i stopped becuase i was wondering "how will they tell which one bolted is"

[vapid gorge]

by using literally any other planner

because they'll have lables

[split sierra]

praying for the day a background area selection and text box tools are added like in obsidian canvas

[unique cypress]

Bolted frame isn't nearly as bad as bolted plate. But regardless, I'm pretty sure you have to use steel screws, otherwise it's just shit
And even if you do use steel screws, it still barely saves any space

Imo, both are in the "never worth using" category

Maybe if they have a ratio that's convenient in your specific ultra-compact BP, then maybe. I don't BP entire chains so idk

But I'd just categorise them as a waste of a drive

[fresh geyser]

hmm

[split sierra]

i mean its situational, at the end of the day i'll end up using whatever has the best compromise of fully using the nodes and makes the most of whatever multiple of 120 my belts can carry

[vapid gorge]

congrats

[split sierra]

we can all agree this one is goated

[fresh geyser]

how does that recipe even work lmao

[vapid gorge]

turn oil to HOR, turn HOR to fuel

[fresh geyser]

i just put water into hor and get fuel

[unique cypress]

Unless you already have DPF. Then DF is just QOL

[split sierra]

dpf uses less energy i think lmao

but more processing power if i had to guess (which i mean no one is going to worry about that unless youre building a gigawatt rocket fuel reactor)

[unique cypress]

It uses a little more per fuel produced

[vapid gorge]

it uses just a touch more iirc

[unique cypress]

2 packagers + refinery for 60 vs 1 blender for 100

[split sierra]

oh ok i didnt round up the underclocked number

[vapid gorge]

basically no difference though

[split sierra]

its 50 for dfp, 45 for df

for 60 units of fuel

[unique cypress]

So 2x10+30 vs 75*0.6

[unique cypress]

Should be 45 exactly for DF

[split sierra]

true

[frosty owl]

I think Bolted Frame is worse off than Bolted plates
Iirc the standard and steeled frame recipes are so efficient (including the number of machine needed down the production chain) that they often make me go for Bolted Plates + Non-Bolted Frames 😅

[unique cypress]

I'm not comparing them to defaults, I'm comparing them to stitched + steeled.

Steeled frame requires a lot fewer machines than default for 0.7% more iron

Vs defaults, bolted + bolted might be better, sure, but default plate is pretty bad and default frame is meh

[thick plank]

I dont have that strong an opinion about bolted frame, but bolted plate is an absolute joke

Correct that. Bolted frame is also just an absolutely trash recepie

[main thicket]

can someone help me? i need the belt on the left to have 300 sulfur (which it does) and the belt on the right 480 and for some reason it only does 450. is there something wrong with the load balancers? the miner produces exactly 780

[vapid gorge]

what aer you even trying to do here?

[unique cypress]

What's wrong with using a single splitter lol

[main thicket]

480 goes into the turbofuel plant to make compacted coal and the rest 300 will go into the blenders to make baterries

[unique cypress]

In fact, even if you do want to ratio split, a single smart splitter would do too

[main thicket]

why didnt i think of that

[vapid gorge]

just use 1 splitter. It'll self balance

[main thicket]

damn

thanks

[vapid gorge]

you don't even need a smart splitter

[vapid gorge]

@cloud mortar here

[fresh geyser]

wow

[unique cypress]

it's a great recipe

though it does give you a little less aluminium

[fresh geyser]

yeah i see

quartz is too far from me

and it makes alumi in a smelter which is much smaller than refinery

or foundry

[vapid gorge]

it's often not in a conenivent place to where bauxite is

[unique cypress]

oh, and before you decide to use the silica from default alumina with default alu ingot, and then use up the rest of scrap with pure, it's worse than sloppy alumina

[fresh geyser]

aw

thank god i have sloppy alumina recipe too

[balmy sandal]

Thanks!

[unique cypress]

electrode scrap btw

[fresh geyser]

what is this site?

[unique cypress]

sloppy alumina is still better with default scrap, the numbers are just different

[fresh geyser]

never seen this design before

[unique cypress]

Satisfactory Modeler

available on Steam and on downloadable on the internet

fair warning, though, it's manual so it's not great for planning recipe choices for an entire chain

[fresh geyser]

i did all my alumi setup at morning and i was insanely sleepy

i haven't done any mistakes in math

that's very unusual for me, especially at morning

thank you, KYO

[main thicket]

are 120 bettries /min enough for many drones bringing stuff from the whole map?

[frosty owl]

Depends on how much stuff/min that is (ie: how many drones). It should be enough for 30+ drones, I reckon...

[main thicket]

thats perfect thanks

[dusky dust]

The actual per-minute fuel usage of a drone depends on the route's round-trip time, but in my experience battery usage tends to average out to 'round 2.5/min for constantly-active drones

(pre-typed paste inbound, btw) -- When looking at drone fuel consumption numbers, there are some caveats to trusting the numbers at the drone port:

1. Make sure you only look at the numbers after the drone has finished a couple of deliveries while in the game session
2. At that point, you can trust the "round trip time" number and the "fuel per trip" number, though the fuel-per-trip in particular is likely to be rounded on the display. You can divide those two to get the routes per-min fuel consumption
3. Alternatively, if you save the game after the drone's finished a couple of deliveries (again, while in the game session), SCIM does compute the fuel-per-min properly, so you could load the save in there to see what individual routes are consuming, without having to do math. :)

( References to relevant bugs in re: all of that: https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/6780c209c10ae65555c7a5ad / https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/6780c4b2c10ae65555c7a5af )

[simple rampart]

behold, a theoretically functional fuel generator power plant system

WHAT HAVE I CREATED OH MY GOD (i now understand why exactly outposts exist)

[leaden arch]

those numbers are disgusting

[simple rampart]

all this

just for a single item

and theres still some inputs that havent been met

lesson learnt: use outposts

[spark fiber]

How low can we build in the void? Is there a death level like there is for building high?

[brisk urchin]

those recepies are also just inefficient too like, anyone who genuently wants to complete the game doesnt do it like that

[mental canyon]

Is anyone here good with pipes and fluids?

[unique cypress]

imma be honest, probably not

nobody knows how pipes work

[wind spade]

https://dontasktoask.com/

[mental canyon]

Ok then...

Building Coal generator plant. Got it working. Production is unstable because water supply. Did math. should work but isnt. Plant is elevated. help please

[unique cypress]

#1038092680493801533 and post pics there

[wind spade]

share some images (but my first guess is - did you run all water through one pipe?)

[mental canyon]

No. My plant required 4 pipes as there are 24 generators. They require 1080 water which is producted by 9 pumps. Math works out but infrastructure says otherwise.

[glacial pewter]

You mean four separated pipe systems?

[honest grove]

did you ensure one pipe doenst have more than 300 flowing at once?

[wind spade]

usually I'd recommend building 3:8 ratio

and without images we can't help much

[mental canyon]

Not exactly. they're all connected

[mental canyon]

How can you tell that?

[glacial pewter]

I just read that might not be an issue, im not as good with pipes as I thought

[mental canyon]

I can gather some now if needed?

[honest grove]

ensure that they connect to the generators' pipe manifolds at different point

have a minimum of 3 generators between each water conection point

that allows them to absorb about 135 water from the network

if you have one pipe at each end of the 8 gens, and put one in the middle, they should be able to feed them all

but if you struggle with piping, consider having only 4-5 generators to 1 water pipe

keep eachh pipe separate until you learn the ins and outs of piping

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/satisfactory_gamepedia_en/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[mental canyon]

This is my setup.

[honest grove]

on pic 2 i can see that you divide your 300 in 2

[mental canyon]

There's supposed to be 270 per pipe

[honest grove]

check the flow rate right before the 1st junction

[mental canyon]

I think i found the problem

This pump keeps stalling because the pipes it's connected have a flow rate of 0

How do I fix this, though?

[oblique hollow]

use camera mode (P) and take an image from above

so we can see all extractors and their pipes

[mental canyon]

Nevermind got it working.

I'll come back to it another time and redesign it to be more consistent. I just gave it a temporary fix.

[eternal agate]

Would anyone happen to have a smart plating setup with nice numbers i can import into modeler

[wind spade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=TrmWO1B0u0S40nwANbRA

change recipes and numbers as you wish to get to whatever you mean by "nice numbers" 🙂

[unique cypress]

yes

[eternal agate]

something tells me that those containers are not bottomles and i need a way to produe rotors and reinforced plates

[unique cypress]

You should be producing them already

Just put some in the containers

Just enough to complete the phase

[eternal agate]

wont i need like 1000 for the next phase and probably want a dedicated factory for that?

[unique cypress]

It's just 500 plates and 500 rotors

1000 each if you don't sloop

Taking that many from an existing factory and letting one assembler run for 100/200 minutes sounds easier and faster than making a full factory

[nova vortex]

why arent my batteries helping stable my power

[unique cypress]

They don't make your production graph flat

They just supply power when consumption is higher than production

[nova vortex]

oh

whats a good amount to have?

[unique cypress]

I don't know if there's an answer to that question

Depends what you want them to do

[nova vortex]

well my power is SUPER un stedy so

[unique cypress]

You could do half an hour to an hour of your total consumption to make sure that even if all your power plants go offline for some reason, you have an hour to either fix it or extend the batteries' runtime

[nova vortex]

okay

[unique cypress]

Or an hour of your main power plant's consumption so you can reboot it if it fails

[nova vortex]

ok bet ty

is there a max depth you can go into the void before you die?

[unique cypress]

Yes

There are borders on all 6 sides

[nova vortex]

how far?

[unique cypress]

At first you take damage quickly, and a few dozen meters farther it's an instakill

The borders on the sides are mapped on SCIM

But idk about the top and bottom ones

[nova vortex]

oh ok

ig ill js go till i start to die

[unique cypress]

I think their heights are listed on the Wiki?

I think the top one was at least?

[nova vortex]

i js wanna build a big battery rooom under my power plant and its over the void

[unique cypress]

Got it

Pioneers take damage beyond Z:-244 m (underground) and Z:1997 m (sky), measured on the foundation the pioneer is standing on.

[nova vortex]

ok

[unique cypress]

Big storage banks tend to lag when looked at

When that happens, surround them in opaque walls

[nova vortex]

its gunna be under everthing so

[carmine iron]

Wish me luck guys, tomorrow I will start the railway network in order to gather the 22000/min rock I need for a small project

[devout ingot]

that doesnt sound like a small project lmao

[unborn dome]

Just in time to start working on nuclear power...

[haughty barn]

Tf you mean “small”

[wind spade]

@merry warren ^ to save coal?

[brisk urchin]

yep, 1 coal per recepie saved LOL

[wind spade]

yeah, but better than 0?

[brisk urchin]

ye exactly

[wind spade]

you also need less black powder machines

[brisk urchin]

but one additional assembler

[wind spade]

that assumes the compacted coal isn't sourced elsewhere

[wind spade]

also, for 1000 black powder, it's 37 assemblers instead of 34, it's not that much increase

[visual ocean]

Im trynna make 1.6k fuel with 6 fully overclock blenders and a normal one.
I'm having an issue getting that fuel into all the generators tho.

I assume i cant manifold it right since pipes have 600m3 flow.
Any tips? All the gens are facing with the entrance on that side (i havent built all of them

[frosty owl]

My tip is to just not consider how much you make of something In the whole world, but rather how many POSSIBLE setups of something you have in the world. Ie: You're making 533 Fuel/min in 3 blender setups.

The solution should follow naturally (eg: how many generators can I feed with 533 Fuep/min?)

[visual ocean]

those 1600 are only in those blenders in the picture

i was splitting 2 blenders (250 each) for around 6-7 generators. The issue is I'm using a 4 gen BP., so 2 gens would not be getting fluid

I assume i can probably connect areminader of another there

or create a closed loop that would feed everything

[frosty owl]

Just remove 2 generators or downclock them or build 2 instead of a blueprint of 4.... I don't see the issue

[frosty owl]

The bigger you make a piping system, the harder it is to control it

If you already have a blueprint, what's the issue with just making a new one, one that actually fits this build? (eg: 8 generators per Blender setup, properly clocked)

[vapid gorge]

Just break up sections to have less than 600 groups

[visual ocean]

i made a 2x BP. Gonna try and make it work

[shut kettle]

Component	Amount	Notes
Iron Ore Input	240/min	1 Pure Node + MK2 Miner
Smelters	8	30 ore/min each
Rod Constructors	15	15 rods/min each
Screw Constructors	5	40 screws/min each
Assemblers (Rotor)	2	4 rotors/min each
Final Output	8 Rotors/min

chatgpt gave me this

[visual ocean]

Worked out well. I wasnt even pondering overclocking the gens but i guess that was the right way

[oblique hollow]

Would you really trust chat gpt on this

Because it aint right

[shut kettle]

Figured that, but is there a way to get automated math?

[unique cypress]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[oblique hollow]

That site

You enter a target amount of a product and it tells you how many machines, what recipe and how many resources / min input

[wind spade]

why would you want to rely on a word generator to do math?

[frail sigil]

If youre playing satisfactory, isnt the math kinda a fun part of the experience

[vapid gorge]

eh, the design more

the math is just stuff you've done in grade school. Just lots of it

[unique cypress]

the math is either way too easy for me to bother doing it by hand or way too hard to do by hand

I like planning and theorizing the most

with assistance from some calculator

[shut kettle]

the math is fun, but getting the data for each item like what time it takes to smelt or craft is very tedious

[crimson moat]

I took a day to make my world plan, if i had to math out every combination of different alternate recipies etc it would have taken a month

Did by hand up to HMF-no-alts though on regular playthrough

[unique cypress]

I dare you to calculate by hand what's the maximum amount of power possible to make continuously

[shut kettle]

what do i do about the decimal points in constructor and foundary counts?

[wind spade]

clock

[shut kettle]

haven't unlocked it i think? idk any clock

[wind spade]

clock speed

MAM

[shut kettle]

which segment?

[wind spade]

slugs

[unique cypress]

round up and ignore

machines can figure themselves out

if it says 1.5, place 2 and it'll work

[shut kettle]

can i tell the site to do splitter calculations too

[unique cypress]

there's no calculations to do

manifold everything

[shut kettle]

how do split the items?

[shut kettle]

what?

[unique cypress]

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[unique cypress]

when one output of a splitter fills up, the items will overflow to the other(s)

so you don't need to do any precise math with them

[shut kettle]

but thats gonna take so long to work no?

[unique cypress]

a few minutes

it's faster than doing the math by hand

and it fills by itself, you can go do something else in the meantime

[crimson moat]

usually more like 7 to 20 minutes, it's often easier/faster with small machine counts (say <=12 machines, especially the ones with 2 or fewer inputs) to just split equally.

On 4 constructors for example it takes at least 3 splitters either way, and the manifold warmup is over 7 minutes with a 60 belt and 100 stack. It's appropriate to just split to get the full production started immediately.

[shut kettle]

for the iron node, how do i split that?

[crimson moat]

clock a rank of smelters to consume 112.5 and merge them onto belt A

clock a different rank to output 45 and merge those onto belt B

you can subdivide if your belt is too slow for the number

[shut kettle]

whats a bank?

[crimson moat]

a logical grouping (edit: rank is a more appropriate term)

Multiple machines that you can think of as acting as one

[unique cypress]

the last assembler is already 1x. you don't need to clock anything

[shut kettle]

why is there drainage when nothing is connected

[unique cypress]

there's a pipe connected

so there will be fluid movement

thank the devs for making all fluids superfluids 🙃

[shut kettle]

will it stop draining when its full?

[wind spade]

pipes are bidirectional

why do you want buffers anyway

[unique cypress]

probably not cause superfluids

it just keeps sloshing infinitely

[visual ocean]

Why is this idle?

[unique cypress]

because it's full

the output, I mean

[visual ocean]

such a weird cap number

[unique cypress]

the cap is 50

but it makes 4 per cycle

[visual ocean]

oh okay that explains it then

[unique cypress]

after another cycle, it'd be 50.6, which is more than it's allowed to have

all fluids have a "stack size" of 50 btw

[visual ocean]

then the factory is going well.

[wind spade]

50m3, technically 50000

[visual ocean]

If i add anything else im probably gonna have pipe issues

[visual ocean]

your finger was up when you said that

[wind spade]

no, it was on the keyboard

[shut kettle]

won't it clog if i dont?

[wind spade]

buffers just add more storage, that doesn't help.

Either you're producing more than you need, then buffers just delay the clog
or you're not producing more than you need, then buffers are irrelevant

[small yacht]

satisfactory modeller is my #1 tool for planning the maths on this game

[shut kettle]

i kinda just want the ruber

[wind spade]

then process the HOR to something, storing just delays the problem

[oblique hollow]

Just make coke and shove that into the awesome sink

[wind spade]

or into coal gen

[shut kettle]

can i destroy it?

[wind spade]

no, process it to something that's useful

[shut kettle]

like dump it in lava

[wind spade]

no

[shut kettle]

oh ok

[oblique hollow]

Hence: turn it into coke

[unique cypress]

or fuel

[oblique hollow]

Fuel needs more processing or access to fuel gens to get rid of tho

[carmine iron]

35 alien power matrix per minute

[haughty barn]

how is that small

[vapid gorge]

yeah get rid of the buffers.

[carmine iron]

Was a joke mate

[carmine iron]

Green mean that I have build the blueprint for it

I already brought SAM and iron to the future factory

Next project = nuclear

[lofty sphinx]

whats a entry level amout of computers per minute, I want to budget for a factory but I want to if 2.5 is really low or if like 5 or 7.5 a minute is a decent amout

[frosty owl]

1 machine, or even one at 50%, can be plenty to cover your personal needs (thus makes for a nice starter number imo).
This can be true for pretty much any item, as there's very few items that you consumer fast enough to need more than one machine of it

[lofty sphinx]

so 2.5-5 an hour is fine

cuz then I prob wont have to tap into more oil or copper nodes, and im already having to drage a pure copper node like 700m out for this

[haughty barn]

1 building should be good with a buffer

[magic island]

With electronics and other high-end parts, I'll often only make like 1 or 2 per min for myself. I still end up swimming in computers etc eventually, because they just don't get spent in bulk the same way as the construction/logistics materials.

[fading void]

ok boys. anyone see a better way i can do this?

[unique cypress]

I'd add steel rotor and wet concrete

and iron wire and stitched plate

[fading void]

i dont wanna use coal because its a far converor and i only have like 900 iron available i think

but yes stitched plate is good

[unique cypress]

nothing I said would add coal

[fading void]

and i am using caterium becuase i have a gorjus pure node close

true actually

[wind spade]

*copper rotor

[magic island]

I generally wouldn't produce project parts and personal construction mats in the same factory.

[fading void]

personal parts are already made. all of that is used in some way for the phase 3 SE

[fading void]

dont like copper. to far for a belt

[wind spade]

build near copper instead then 😛

[fading void]

but i got a nice pretty spot in the desert

[unique cypress]

I wouldn't automate project parts at all

[wind spade]

usually you should pick the place after (or together with) picking the recipes

[unique cypress]

I know what I said

[wind spade]

I do as well

[fading void]

thats why i picked this spot lol. got lots of iron, limestone, and caterium close by and it will be placed in the middle of where my current steel factory is and where i will be making quartz computers

[magic island]

Honestly, the only reason I would make a plan like this (with a small rate of frames & motors as endpoints) is to store those specific items for construction use.

If the goal is to set up a supply of frames and motors for later automated production, that'll really depend what you end up making later, and you may end up wanting more than this.

[fading void]

i was thinking of bumping up the frames to 10-15PM and leaving the AW and bumping the motors to 15pm for later use in whatever i need it for. and syncing until then. that would leave me good enough until i start messing with the scary stuff later

or just not doing AW and making myself a temp thing to make them in bulk and just saving it for later when i need it for the SE

this is where im putting it

[earnest trench]

what this channel do?

[wind spade]

it's written there

[cold lintel]

Hey guys have a quick question about Satisfactory Tools. Never ran into this problem. Wanted it to make me a motor factory set up so I could kind of get an idea of what I wanted to do and for the power shards it is telling me to add 2 power shards to one of the smelters but to only clock it to 110% when that would only require 1 power shard. Curious if that is a bug or if there is a reason that it wants me to do that. Just now kind of getting the hang of how to use the tool so any info would be greatly appreciated. I'll attach a screenshot of the tool for visualization. Thanks!

[unique cypress]

That's not Satisfactory Tools, that's Satisfactory Calculator

And it's an absolutely awful calculator

Many stupid mistakes like this

[cold lintel]

Yeah, sorry. I meant tools generally as it being a tool for calculating haha. I have tried Satisfactory Tools but I don't really like the UI that much. I probably just don't really understand how to use it though honestly.

[wind spade]

if you have any specific questions, feel free to ask

[cold lintel]

@wind spade for instance here. This is to make 5 motors/min (which I think is the normal 100% production rate). I have over 100 power shards available and 6 somersloops. Wouldn't it be better to overclock from the bottom up meaning to overclock the miners to 250% in theory. Wouldn't that make it possible to have less buildings or is the math and the amount of resources being made causing that to not be plausible? Also is there a way for me to manually input a second miner to cut back on the complexity of it? I have 2 pure nodes right next to each other that I would like to use but I haven't been able to find a way to tell the calculator that I have that second node. In this particular build I am only using iron for the motors. I have the "iron pipe" and "iron wire" put in for alternate recipes so I can negate the steel and coal and the like. Sorry for the novel haha

Also if there is a video or anything you recommend that I watch so you don't have to spend your time answering stupid questions that would be great too.

[unique cypress]

Once again, this is SCIM, not Tools, and it's a terrible calculator. And greeny is the author of Tools, not SCIM

[wind spade]

yeah, I'm talking about questions about Tools, not SCIM 🙂

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[cold lintel]

Yes I know this is SCIM. I am using the word tools generally. I'll check out Sat Tools again and see if I can figure it out. Thanks for the help though guys. I've noticed SCIM is a little buggy when it comes to some things.

[wind spade]

usually in the community, "tools" means SFTools, "SCIM" or "calculator" means satisfactory-calculator

hence why we were confused a bit

[cold lintel]

Yeah I know. I was trying to say i've noticed that this happens in all of the different software that I have tried. But since one is actually named tools and the other is actually named calculator I didn't really know how to generalize all of them in a group lmao

Do you recommend the 0.8 or 1.0 Version of SFTools?

[wind spade]

that's based on game version

1.0 is for game 1.0-1.1

[cold lintel]

Oh ok gotcha. Thought that was the software version. I do have a question actually though. I think this is what steered me away from SFTools and I started using SCIM more. It's a little easier to visualize on SCIM in my opinion.

[wind spade]

what exactly? 🤔

[cobalt pecan]

my only complaint with Tools tbh is how eager it is to suggest using SAM and converters

[unique cypress]

Well, it optimizes for lowest world resource % usage and that happens to be it

[cobalt pecan]

the maximise option and the ability to just toggle on alts and have it use the best available are fantastic

scim I think every time I enabled an alt recipe it forced use of the alt over default

[unique cypress]

Fyi about maximise: it doesn't use the most resource efficient alts unless it leads to higher output. It'll happily waste limestone if you're only limited by iron

[cold lintel]

For this set up. When it splits and it says 3.75x smelters for the iron ore. That is saying I should have 3 smelters at 100% clock and 1 at 75% clock speed instead of just overclocking 1 or 2 smelters to make the 112.5 ingots? I'm not sure if I can adjust things manually. I have little to no use of SFTools.

[unique cypress]

3.75x just means 375% clock speed total. You can allocate it to machines however you like

[wind spade]

basically that ^

[unique cypress]

The main purpose of Tools for me is the resource optimization. It chooses the most resource efficient recipes and I just tweak it a bit to my liking after. This is not something I could do by hand

[cold lintel]

Ok gotcha. That's what I figured. Is there a way to manually change things? For instance saying that I have 480 iron ore/min build me a iron pipe, iron plate, and screw factory with that information?

That way I'm using all of the iron ore without having to underclock this and that and then that makes me able to implement any second node that I may have?

Or am I just being greedy haha

[wind spade]

there's the maximise mode, which will make most you can from given limits

though if you maximise multiple items, it will make equal amount of all of them

(and I'd also recommend switching back to items/min once you figure out the maximum, as maximise doesn't optimise for raw resources, only shows one of possible paths to max out resources)

[cold lintel]

That is where I go into the "items, input" tab right? I saw that but was unsure if the limit was meaning this is a single number ie in a storage container that I have vice this is the amount per minute that I will be giving.

[wind spade]

the limit is "how much you can mine out"

[cold lintel]

Sorry, I'm not sure I'm following.

[wind spade]

it's basically "there's only 70k iron ore on the map available"

so the tool will never use more than that

but you can edit the limit to be smaller (or larger) based on your needs

so for your case, you could set iron ore to 480 and maximise whatever production you want

[cold lintel]

Oh ok. So that is the amount per minute. That's what I was confused about. I wasn't sure if it was meaning I have 480 iron ore in my inventory. Didn't know if it was meaning I have 480 iron ore/min coming. Thank you.

[wind spade]

you can look at it both ways 🙂

if you have 480/min, the tool tells you how much you can make per minute
if you have 480 items, the tool tells you how many items you can make from that

but yeah it's basically per minute values

[cold lintel]

Yeah you're right. I just knew software like this speaks in absolutes sometimes so wanted to make sure haha.

So just to make sure I got this down correctly. Changed the amount and then did 2.5 motors/min (will use somersloops on the end to make my 5) and I unchecked everything and checked the alternates for iron pipes and wires and this is what I got.

[wind spade]

if you want to figure out the max possible value, change the "items/min" to "maximise"

[cold lintel]

When the constructors for the iron rods at the top splits and one line is 31.25 and the other line is 25 am I right in assuming that the line going into the assembler will back up allowing the line into the constructor for screws to hit 31.25. Only saying that because the splitter would split them evenly.

[wind spade]

well, the arrows don't really show belts, they show logistical flow

you could do this in many ways, you could build a balancer that splits in a 31.25:25 ratio, you could build two groups of rod machines, one making 25 and the other 31.25, you could do what you said (build a splitter and let it overflow), you could also combine the two lines to a single big manifold, ...

the possibilities are endless 😉

[cold lintel]

Ahhh gotcha. I haven't really figured out the balancer and manifold builds. I did a manifold once before but it was small scale and honestly don't even know if I did it right haha.

[wind spade]

personally I'd just build the two groups clocked to make the exact amounts... or just do a manifold

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

something like that ^ it will work eventually, once the machines fill up (or you can fill them up manually to speed up the process)

[cold lintel]

The 2 groups meaning one end being Stators and the other end being Rotors and then them meeting for the Motors or you mean 2 groups of rods? I was thinking I could use 1 of the pure nodes to just make rotors and the other node to make the stators.

[wind spade]

2 groups of rotor machines, one makes 25, one 31.25, you don't merge them, so you don't have to do the split 😉

[cold lintel]

Ok, yeah I'll try that. Now that I get the basics of this tool I'll probably use it. SCIM makes things crazy complicated because you can add splitters and mergers. Kind of like this one because it just takes the tedious math part out of it and you can do the rest yourself.

[wind spade]

yeah, it's designed to be a calculator, not give you a whole blueprint to copy-paste

[unique cypress]

Especially because SCIM's splitters aren't always correct

[deft lichen]

although you can learn patterns to pretty much directly translate SFTools plans to the game

[cold lintel]

Yeah I like that.

I don't want to just copy the blueprint. Feel like that is kind of cheating haha

[unique cypress]

I got so good at that that now I enjoy planning more than building lol

[deft lichen]

that has always been the case

[unique cypress]

There's no more thinking I need to do while building

[deft lichen]

thinking about playing the game is more fun than playing it

[unique cypress]

Does that mean it's a good or a bad game 🤔

[deft lichen]

I'm afraid I don't know the answer either

but I'll have to lean towards good

[cold lintel]

Do you guys usually have the smelters outside of the buildings? I'm not very artistic when it comes to the arcitecture portion I like everything to be neat and tidy but sometimes I don't know how to go about it haha

[deft lichen]

smelters are buildings like any other

everything turns into a multifloor glass box

[cold lintel]

Yeah I guess you're right.

Now I just got to figure out the fluids. That stuff can be a headache haha

[ember glen]

this is really confusing !!

[deft lichen]

please make a #1038092680493801533 post with a wider screenshot and a sketch of your track layout

[unique cypress]

Trains can only stop at a station in one direction

[ember glen]

ohhhh thank you

[haughty barn]

stitched iron plate is more iron efficient even with iron wire, steeled frame is worse with iron pipe

[ember glen]

my apologies, I didn't realize that was the proper place to do that

[deft lichen]

no worries

[cold lintel]

I haven't even gotten to the trains yet. I have almost 300 hours in the game and just made my first truck route not long ago haha

I'm behind the power curve I fear

And the route is crazy bottlenecked so I didn't even do that right.

[deft lichen]

fluids can be complicated, but you don't have to understand the fluid mechanics deeply if you just stick to proven working designs

manifold, no bottom feeding, no maxed out pipes, keep it level... pretty much

[unique cypress]

Steeled frame + iron pipe is literally only 0.4% more iron compared to default frame. And it saves a ton of machines
No-brainer imo

[deft lichen]

new meta 👀

[cold lintel]

@deft lichen Yeah I just don't really grasp the "fluid in pipe" or when and where to use pumps and stuff like that. I need to just watch a video on youtube or something.

[deft lichen]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Head_lift
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

I don't have videos on hand but these could help

[cold lintel]

Ok, i'll check them out. I forgot that the wiki is pretty good. I used it to help me with the coal power portion.

[deft lichen]

(mandatory reminder that there are two wikis; the fandom wiki is 2 years outdated since we migrated)

[cold lintel]

Do you all usally transport things or make long conveyer systems for stuff far from your base? I haven't unlocked the trains yet. I am pretty close though. I should be able to knock it out by the end of the night.

[deft lichen]

I rush trains

all vehicles are optional but they can make your life easier

train tracks can be reused, belts cannot, so a double track signaled railway is da wae

[cold lintel]

Do you have little factories for different things and then transport the completed products? Or do you transport raw resources to your factory?

[deft lichen]

each factory takes raw ore as input and produces the final product in one go
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

(with exceptions)

most trains carry ore, the rest carry finished parts

[cold lintel]

Ok. I'll try it out when I unlock them. I'm still way behind the power curve I feel like though. I go on hour long side quests of clearing out all of the trees and rocks before I start building things. Then by the time I'm done doing that I forget what I wanted to build in the first place lmao

Love this game so much though.

[ember glen]

im working on making a fairly large smokeless powder factory, and I am curious if you need a lot lategame? I only see 4 recipes that need it but idk how much is super needed, or if I should keep sulfur nodes free and clear for anything in the future

current factory plan is going to produce 160/min, mainly because it uses 120 crude oil which is a nice number

[slow hawk]

🤷 Ive only seen it used in explosives, none of the space elevator parts need it

[ember glen]

gotcha gotcha, I really don't want to go through any more of a headache than I have to with this crude oil 😭

Thank you!

[cold lintel]

Anyone got any advice on what to do with these crazy random numbers per minute for my motor factory? Want everything to run smoothly without any of my machines stopping from shortage or backups

[vapid gorge]

what's random or crazy about them?

change the unit of time you're looking at them to per 1000 minutes and you have no items with decimals

[cold lintel]

Just not being easily split numbers is what I mean. Like 138.472 ore, 22.222 Ingots.

[vapid gorge]

have you unlocked 'clocking' ?

[cold lintel]

Yeah I have. I'm pretty deep into the MAM. I'm just not too good with the logistics part haha

[vapid gorge]

so just clock a group of machiens to make 56.25 pm , for example

what's your fastest belt?

[cold lintel]

Yeah the 56.25 isn't an issue. It's more the 138.472 and the 22.22 repeating that I am talking about.

I have Mk. 4 Belts.

[vapid gorge]

138.472 is not an issue

22.22222222 = 22.2223
just round up the 4th decimal in production

[vapid gorge]

in that instance you could jsut put all these of these processes that use ingots on the same manifold

all a belt manifold cares about is:

1. enough parts per min for the system
2. a fast enough belt

[cold lintel]

Oh ok. I haven't really dove into manifolds, load balancers and things like that. I wasn't sure if it would work unless you were producing the same thing. But thinking about it I guess if the input is the same it doesn't really matter what the output is.

Thanks. I appreciate the help!

I guess I could just split one smelter and make a manifold for the stator line and then use the other smelter and clock it to 56.25 and then make a manifold for the rotor line after that one.

[vapid gorge]

well, basically everything is a manifold unles it's a load balancer

so you've been manifolding probably

[vapid gorge]

well you could clock 2 smelters to make 56.25 easily, and only merge those smelters

[cold lintel]

I have 2 pure nodes right next to each other. I could use one node for the rotors and then the other for the stators. I thought that might be a waste of a node if I did that though.

[vapid gorge]

I mean if you have zero other use for it it's not a waste

not sure why you wouldn't just use 1 node though

[cold lintel]

Yeah I think I'll just use the one node for now. I'm sure the other one will come in handy soon.

[crimson field]

@vapid gorge this is what i mean, if i'm setting up a station, should i just do 2 stations at a loading zone, going different directions? or 1 station that the other track merges on to and then splits from?

[vapid gorge]

if you want ot make life easy, keep stations off the main track

[crimson field]

oh i see, have a leg split off to a station?

[vapid gorge]

not sure what you mean by leg? but you can have as man ystations off track as you need

[fading void]

how many HMF do you guys think i should be making per min in phase 3 for my first HMF factory? i wanna plan for the future a bit but making 10/m seems gnarly for how big the factory is gonna be

[vapid gorge]

10 seems fine

[crimson field]

ya, i mean something like that

ty

[fading void]

this seem like a decent plan rn?

[vapid gorge]

no idea. modeler is essentially garbage to look at for anyone who isn't the person who made it. There's zero lables on anything

[fading void]

gimme 2 seconds than papa

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=7ZJ3Oc7V0YjZESWBl3Kr

a whole plan in 1 second

with lables

[vapid gorge]

just... look at this plan. Dont try to manually lable everything

[vapid gorge]

ok that's better

thoguht you were using paint

[fading void]

i wasnt manually labeling i was getting that SS lol

god no. it would be chicken scratch

[vapid gorge]

it's an interesting plan. No coal nearby?

[fading void]

using caterium wire because i have a node close by and all my copper is spoken for and not really. atleast not stuff im not gonna use

[vapid gorge]

Well you could use Iron Wire and Wet concrete?

cuts out some resources.

Iron pipe just chews through iron though. I'd use steel if its at all an option

I hate iron and think it's a garbage resource, but even for me Iron Pipe usses too much iron

[fading void]

i do have wet concrete and im kinda close to how much iron is in the area.

[vapid gorge]

I mean if yo'ure not using the limestone for anything else not much of an issue. But all the work your Pure Ingot recipe is doing isn't nearly enough to cover how much iron the pipe recipe uses

[fading void]

yeah thats my thoughts lol. also 1635 iron ingots pm is insane

[vapid gorge]

one sec

[fading void]

theres 2 normal coal nodes close ish right under where my quartz computer factory is gonna be

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=JkK5FIflyKAkbVhCN4M0

if coal is at all an option

[fading void]

middle outline is my HMF factory. the right one is quartz comps. coal is an option kinda. its just gonna be a long line

[vapid gorge]

pretty short tbh

[fading void]

i could also move the factory a bit to the top right possibly

[vapid gorge]

or you could always move your HMF plan.

there's also coal on that cliff

[fading void]

could do this instead

kinda in the middle of it all so more belts to run but managable

[vapid gorge]

used all the coal there ?

[fading void]

yeah thats all coal powerplants

and to the left of the SS is all steel production

[vapid gorge]

yeah just belt the coal over. it'll simplify things and you can avoid the pure ingots

[fading void]

true. ive only used pure iron for the motor factory i just finished and its saved my lil life

[vapid gorge]

eh. I try to avoid the refinery recipes. if you're not careful the game becomes 'refinery simulator 2025'

the alloy recipes are very useful

[fading void]

ngl i like refineries. i just finished a diluted fuel plant making like 800/m and it was fun to build. after HMF and comps i wanna use the turbo heavy fuel recipe to bump up my power alot more

[vapid gorge]

they get old very fast xD

[fading void]

thats very true. im almost past the part of the game where ive stopped playing the previous 3 times so i think ive just gotta power through to have fun with the next phase

[vapid gorge]

yeah just unlock everything and turn the game into a sandbox

[fading void]

i get bored way way to fast if i do that. its nice to do if i need to visually see what im doing before i do it but i need a goal lol

[vapid gorge]

@woven portal what is going on here?

[vapid gorge]

it's a bit of an interconnected mess. I'd guess maybe a bad connection on one of the junction isn't moving fluid well. You mentined you were on mp right? sometimes building too fast can not have propper connections

[vapid gorge]

dependign on where this is going to it could be a back flow issue

[woven portal]

I remade the pipe network there, still doesn't seem to work

[vapid gorge]

maybe to test it delete the yellow scribbed bit and just split it off from the main pipe

[woven portal]

lemme make a sc

[woven portal]

aight lemme try that

It doesn't appear to be adding any headift

[vapid gorge]

is the oil from the main pipe being consumed somewhere?

[woven portal]

The red pipe?

[vapid gorge]

yes

[woven portal]

Currently, yes. But there's overproduction

[vapid gorge]

so it's flooded?

[woven portal]

yep

[vapid gorge]

the buffer is full and you're sure the valve is set to zero?

[woven portal]

There appears to be 40m3 missing

but i believe the limit was 2200 right?

[vapid gorge]

shouldn't be a nissue

ok is the main pipe having to go upwards to any degree? you were using the water tower as headlift right? is the main line not being lifted?

[woven portal]

it wasn't with the watertower, no

I have put a temporary pump on the line, but i have a secondary pipeline leading off of it now to check headlift

[vapid gorge]

the only other thing I can think of is to do this independent of any other pipe

because water towers DO still work, there's just something borked somewhere with what you built

[woven portal]

I'm not sure what you mean by this?

[vapid gorge]

just have one pipe go all teh way down, then back up

it should fill up

[woven portal]

Like that?

[haughty barn]

A bit overkill but yeah

[vapid gorge]

but disconect it from everything else

[woven portal]

should i remove the valves?

[vapid gorge]

yup. otherwise no fluid would get there

I want to see if the buffer will start dumping fluid to it

[woven portal]

yea seems to work just fine

i'll add a zero-flow valve after topping it up

and see if it produces headlift now?

[vapid gorge]

well your pipe will have already been filled? but yeah you could connect it up to the other system you just tested with the valve

[woven portal]

i mean topping off the buffer, it snacked some crude

It doesn't appear to do anything

headlift wise

lemme try something stupid

I....

I am so confused

I removed a single, SINGLE, junction

and replaced it

[vapid gorge]

bugged junction

did you build it ON the pipe originally?

[woven portal]

yea

wanna know the weirdest thing?

[vapid gorge]

good habit is to rebuild all pipe/belt connections if you every place a junction/splitter on them

[vapid gorge]

sure

[woven portal]

it was before a pump, not even close to the damn tower

I think the server just threw a tantrum

[vapid gorge]

oh serve. not even multiplayer.

yeah lots of weird things can happen , espcially building on top of things or too fast

[woven portal]

Yep, dedicated server using a hosting service, Indifferent Brocolli

heard it's one of the better ones

used it before on our 1.0 save, worked a treat

[vapid gorge]

I couldn't tell you. No experience one way or another with servers except for the issues people bring here that crop up

[woven portal]

Would you recommend putting down junctions before pipes?

[vapid gorge]

in general ? yes.

but if you do place them ontop of pipes just make sure to rebuild all the pipe connections to them

they dont often cause issues,

but when the ydo they can really throw a wrench in thigns looking for hte issue

but the issues might also crop up more with servers? don't know.

servers, while having gotten much much better with 1.0 , are probably still a bit more unstable than singleplayer

[woven portal]

yea we've gotten the occasional stutter, but generally most problems have been by my friends

I love them, but i'm severely more detail oriented

[vapid gorge]

damn friends. People is where you're goign wrong 😛

[woven portal]

They're fine with yellow lights in the factory, I start getting palpitations

So i'm doing the power set-up, i refuse to not have that stable or unoptimized

[vapid gorge]

well with power you really do want stable systems

I don't care about yellow lights going up the tiers though. Just when it gets to sandbox time

[woven portal]

I'm an operations specialist during the day, i'm really wired to optimize these things

hence why satisfactory has been my crack

[nova vortex]

wth

[shut kettle]

Any mobile app to do calcs? (Istg if someone says to use the basic calculator app)

[vapid gorge]

you can use SFtools? but honsetly none of them are very good on mobile

a pad? sure, big enough screen

[shut kettle]

I wanna make like charts and schematics when I'm away from my computer

[vapid gorge]

basically all the web browser apps that exist then. They'll all be pretty obnoxious to use though.

[oblique hollow]

None are really made for mobile

[vapid gorge]

I've used Tools on my phone before, but I wouldn't want to make any indeptp plans like that

[wind spade]

I'm not saying it can't be better, but it's pretty hard to fit so much info on a phone screen

[hexed steppe]

Yo, Im new, Im at tier 4 right now and want to know how to split iron (normal) and coal (pure) for best efficency

[wind spade]

uh, you're gonna have to be more specific

• what do you mean by "split"?
• why are you limiting yourself to just these nodes?
• what do you want to build?
• what materials do you need?
• what do you mean by "efficiency"?
  etc.

[vapid gorge]

yeah, what exactly are you trying to do?

[shut kettle]

is there anything to generate automatic power schematics while keeping the throughput of pipes and belts in mind?

[oblique hollow]

automatic power schematics?
oh like an online tool that plans power plants?

[radiant terrace]

another side 🔥

[hexed steppe]

hmm, like I saw my smelter (iron) is kinda abundant, idk what to call the state of the conveyor not moving, so I wanna know how to optimize thoses things. I'm trying to complete the space elevator mission 2 and I need to build assemblers for 3 materials need. What I mean by efficency is using resources effectively, Thanks for helping me setting out points too ^^

[royal yacht]

can someone explain how my friend could built the green signals, I couldn't build the same double signal in the red, but can place signals in the purple?

[unique cypress]

double block signals...

this totally won't deadlock immediately

[royal yacht]

actually I tried setting it up with path in block out and it deadlocked

changed to double block and it undeadlocked

green is only going onto the roundabout and turning around into itself, then the two purples are the other train line

(I didn't make it I'm just making sure it never deadlocks )

[unique cypress]

this abolutely still has the potential to deadlock

the question is whether there are any trains that can get themselves into such a situation

[royal yacht]

there's only two trains, one on each lines so

until we increase the train count which shouldn't be necessary it can't deadlock

only that middle block is shared

anyway*, question is not help me fix the signalling, question is why can't I place double signals in the red areas but my friend could in the green

[unique cypress]

what happens when you try?

[royal yacht]

I can place one then the other says there's already a signal there

[unique cypress]

does the ghost show up on the other side?

or does it overlap with the other signal

[royal yacht]

yeah it shows up knowing I want to place it in the spot I want to, but it's red

let me go get a pic

[unique cypress]

that's a first, then

[royal yacht]

yeah caught me off guard too

not sure if it's some dedi server jank or my friend set it up weirdly or what

[unique cypress]

the only suggestion I have is to remove one of the rails connected there so the switches disappear, place signals, and then replace the rail

though don't touch the one between the T intersection and the roundabout

[royal yacht]

this is honestly more me just trying to work out why it isn't letting me place them, the current setup is ok

[unique cypress]

it's a connection that's normally not allowed and idk if you'll be able to recreate it after removing one rail

[royal yacht]

yeah the middle one idk about anyways, but the one of the left is complaining too

yeah ok my friend can't double place those two either and the one on the right decided to work now so I moved it

super weird, might just be placed strangely

[fallow siren]

you can already see the bug here, the same block color even where theres a signal placed

just need to rebuild it several time until the bugs gone

[frigid maple]

i just spent multiple hours on remaking the satisfactory logo to have it in a different language and forgot to save 😭 😭 😭

i wanna kms

it was so good too

[royal yacht]

pretty sure that block won't change colour until both sides are connected because there's a loop there

at least that's how it usually behaves on a more normal junction

[fallow siren]

can always put that in mind bcs rails in 1.1 is broken currently

so it might be a problem

[royal yacht]

oh they are? How so?

[fallow siren]

sometimes when you put signals, it doesnt register and make a new block