math-and-meta

[vapid gorge]

your miner will be stable if you're using that much ore

so again, follow the ore forward - what is happening to it?

[elfin rock]

some smelters were starving

[vapid gorge]

if the belt is takign all the ore, then the miner isn't unstable right?

it takes time for the smelters to stabalise

[elfin rock]

idk I just fixed it

I hope so

[crimson moat]

yeah that's quite a huge buff, 129% more total reactors and gross power than my 2100 uranium fuel unit > non-fissile > plut rod > fics build

[somber sedge]

first time using junction signals. how do i put signals on this junction??

[kindred carbon]

Why am I getting ghost pings here

[main thicket]

need help here. how much turbofuel do fuel generators consume at 250% clock?

[crimson moat]

18.75/min

[unique cypress]

Bauxite: 9450.347
Caterium Ore: 4284.689
Coal: 5979.961
Copper Ore: 18166.088
Crude Oil: 3038.945
Iron Ore: 20536.385
Limestone: 4286.400
Nitrogen Gas: 7403.978
Raw Quartz: 2108.600
SAM: 4251.432
Sulfur: 2110.121
Uranium: 2090.000
Water: 296161.546
Power Consumption: 447324.199 (100%), 600800.692 (250%)
Power Production: 2565000.000
Machines: 7610.905 (100%), 3044.362 (250%)

[main thicket]

ty

[unique cypress]

sorry, that was me accidentally pressing enter instead of shift+enter 😅

[wind spade]

that depends how many and which trains will run here

[somber sedge]

Two

[wind spade]

and on the other side is what?

[regal wyvern]

that looks cool as hell

[haughty barn]

!!!10 unused uranium!!!

Literally unplayable

[unique cypress]

For nukes :)

You're free to multiply everything by 210/209

But then instead of 304 Ficsonium, you'll have 305 5/11, which I'd say is a much less convenient number

[haughty barn]

Fair enough

[radiant terrace]

I have an issue where my fuel generators will stop producing because no fuel is brought to them, the reason no fuel is being brought is because the plastic + rubber storage are full therefore the refineries cant generate more which means they cant generate more purple oil therefore the fuel can't regenerate because no oil is being brought to him. is there any way to fix this?

[unique cypress]

Either sink the excess plastic/rubber or use different recipes that don't have byproducts

[radiant terrace]

how do I sink an item?

[wind spade]

sink overflow

awesome sink

[unique cypress]

Awesome sink

[radiant terrace]

Now all my power is shut off and I need a way to restart it, can't use fuel generators cuz they insta shut down..

[vapid gorge]

disconnect your power station from your factory grid
restart power statoin

build more power

[radiant terrace]

ok

[radiant terrace]

then my coal generators insta turn off cuz they generate like .5 the power i use

[unique cypress]

Disconnect some stuff so you can restart the fuel

[radiant terrace]

ok

[radiant terrace]

ts shi so complicated 😭

ima just reload a save from 30m ago, and just build a sink instantly

[vapid gorge]

you need to keep yoru power station completely seperate from your factory sections, that way you can disconnect it

cable and power management is extremely important.

be messy everywhere else, but if you've got messy power everything will collapse

[radiant terrace]

I have one cable connecting those 2, problem is it also connects to the whole oil thing

[vapid gorge]

is the 'oil thing' for power?

[radiant terrace]

yeah

[ripe wing]

so, i wanna do this but almost everything they are saying to be underclocked can i just go 100%? or does it matter

[vapid gorge]

then you've made a mistake somewhere because your power should be able to power itself

[unique cypress]

You need to power the fuel production too

[unique cypress]

You should underclock the last machines that are directly connected to a container or a sink. Everything else can be left at 100%

[vapid gorge]

if it says 3.25 machines that means you need 325% clocking spread however you like

if you're doing fluids you really want to have the right clocking. Matters less for solids

[ripe wing]

sink?

[radiant terrace]

ok, i disconnecte everything in the oil thing + all of my factory, now its basically regenrating power for nothing

[vapid gorge]

now build more power, because you obviously need more

[radiant terrace]

I cons 1.8k while producing 2.5k

[vapid gorge]

then your power isn't stable or something

[radiant terrace]

its just that the whole "no more oil" really fucked me up

[ripe wing]

i guess snail hunt time

[vapid gorge]

or under clock a machine and you don't need shards

[ripe wing]

wait what

u can underclock without snails?

[vapid gorge]

you only need shards for OVER clocking

[ripe wing]

bruhhhh

[vapid gorge]

'no more oil'?

[ripe wing]

u saved me

[radiant terrace]

.

[unique cypress]

Awesome sink. Like a container, it doesn't have constant consumption. So machines connected to those should be clocked exactly, so you don't store/sink more than expected - because they'll accept whatever you give them.

Actual machines have a small buffer, and can't produce/consume more than designed, so machine to machine connections don't need to have exact flow. As long as you have enough or more, everything will throttle itself automatically

[ripe wing]

and how do i precisely get 176 to one side and 142 to other side?

i could just send more to both sides tbh

since im making 480 iron

sounds good? and i could use this smart splitter trick to send overflow to destroy for coupons

coupons coupons coupons

or more important i dont know how do i send 25 rods/min to one belt and 57.5 to other one

[unique cypress]

A single splitter will do the job

[radiant terrace]

@unique cypress I still can't restore the pwoer dude

I disconnect everything, start coal. power generates.... I connect it to oil thing to generate more power = it disconnects.

Only the pipes to transfer the oil are taking more power than I make using only coal

It's like if I don't start both at the same time - I can't reactivate it

fuck im so stuck 😭

[unique cypress]

Power storage or temporary biomass?

[radiant terrace]

wdym temporary biomass?

like use a biomass that will power the whole oil thing alone?

[unique cypress]

Not necessarily alone. If your coal isn't enough to power the fuel production, add enough biomass burners that it's now able to

Or charge up power storage with your coal plant, and then start up your fuel from that

But you'll want like an hour of runtime stored to be safe

[radiant terrace]

I see, makes sense

I also have isnane ammounts of packaged fuel but i cant unpackage it

literally have like 700 packaged fuel

[unique cypress]

Either way, you should separate your grid into 3 parts:

1. Coal generators and the bare minimum required to sustain them (coal miners, water extractors)
2. Fuel generators and the bare minimum to sustain them (refineries, etc)
3. Everything else

Restart just the coal plant, make sure it runs correctly

Then see if the coal is enough to sustain the (still dead) fuel grid.

If yes, connect them

[radiant terrace]

before I do all that, is there any way my packaged fuel can help ?

[unique cypress]

If not, either add enough biomass to the coal that it's enough, or charge up enough power storage to make up the difference for an hour

[unique cypress]

Depends how many generators you have

[radiant terrace]

Problem is, I transfer my oil a long long distance, so I use ALOT of pumps. those pumps are maintained by both type of gens(Fuel + coal) and run perfectly ok if both are running, however when i run my coal one - it insta shuts off

[radiant terrace]

I have 3 gens and 500 packaged fuel

I have to find a way to activate both gens at same time , other wise my whole factory crashes.

[vapid gorge]

clock groups of producers to spit out exactly what you need and only merge those

[unborn dome]

How would this be kickstarted, if there's no natural water nearby? I guess just a temporary packager and feed it some bottled water?

[dusky dust]

Yeah, without natural water nearby that would certainly be the easiest

Just enough to flood the pipes + input buffers

Or if you've got a train line hooked up to the site anyway, could freight in some water in liquid form, I suppose

[unborn dome]

Hmm, maybe just run the packager until it stops from being full, remove it, then remove and rebuild one of the longer pipe segments to "delete" a bit of the water to leave some slack.

[radiant terrace]

@unique cypress I jump started the fuel thing

rushing to coal i might make it

[dusky dust]

I know we always say "don't use buffers" but for cases like this they do seem tailor-made. Could get a nice solid buffer of water ready while you're building the rest of the factory, and then have spare water you could re-flood in, in case you need to nudge stuff around or otherwise rebuild some things. And yeah, once it's finished you can get rid of the buffer, etc.

Though I suppose that's not much different from having a packager instead. :D

Anyway, whatever method you use to get the water into the pipes to prime things will do the trick

[radiant terrace]

i fucked up badly with this power thing.

[unique cypress]

Once your entire grid is down, it's stable. Nothing is being produced or consumed. You can take your time rearranging your infrastructure to make things work properly

Failed restarts, on the other hand, may drain your fuel reserves until after a few, you have nothing to restart with and have to start from scratch

My suggestion to split it into 3 grids is basically that. It's guaranteed to work, though it is a bit tedious to rearrange half your power grid

[radiant terrace]

I think it's all stable now

Just added 3 biomass gens to help with water extractors

im afraid the second i turn them into the regular power, im cooked

Okay everything is working now

THANK GODDDD
and also thank you @unique cypress

[hoary hornet]

#screenshots message @sick stratus It looks great, i'm definitely gonna yoink a part of your design. Btw, the Fuel rods are not produced on site, right? Seems a bit too empty to be done there

[sick stratus]

No, the rods was a whole different project a region over XD.
And glad I can be of some inspiration 🙂

[hoary hornet]

Oh ok, i thought i messed up somewhere because i've been doing everything in the swamp, i've covered all of it and still need a bit of space xd

[somber sedge]

huh? its just two trains who go in ONLY the direction as shown

[vapid gorge]

personally I would split half the waste to acid, half to nitric, half to sulfuric. And keep the fresh and waste split

[edgy galleon]

Hey I'm confused a bit about what's going on here, these have two shards and a sloop, and are suposed to make 400 diluted fuel/min each, they arent backing up or shutting down, so they get the right amount of water and residue, but I cant seem to get it to flow, its like fuels just disapearing

yhe Mk 2 pipes should be 600 but fluxuate heavily

[vapid gorge]

so are they clogging or starving?

[edgy galleon]

no, I think your right, I gotta look further down my system

[vapid gorge]

I'm not sure what I'm right about since I just asked if they were clogged with output, or starved of input xD

[cerulean stratus]

hey guys
I'm looking to put this in a mk1 blueprint

but with all the inputs on the same side

btw only on this run did I understand the unreal amount of steel I need

[edgy galleon]

I really dont understand liquid in this game, how can a machine not be at 100% if its always full input and empties before the next cycle is complete

[vapid gorge]

becaues you're beliving the efficiency meters. For some reason

look at hte lights. are the lights not flicking over a minute? then it's good

your layout may also be screwing around with flow too though

[edgy galleon]

the light are all good, should be 600 fuel, its not. been all over this dang plant and all the maths right,

[dusky dust]

The efficiency rating is an average over either time or cycles. It can take awhile for the number to reflect reality, though in general it should be essentially accurate after a certain amount of time

If there's underclocking involved, especially, it can often take ages for the number to approach reality

[vapid gorge]

how do you know it's not 600? are the generators starving?

[edgy galleon]

ive said they are full, idk they shouldnt be

[vapid gorge]

what is the actual issue then. It sounds like everything is working

[dusky dust]

As Cobalt says, I'd recommend just watching the machine. If it never turns yellow (or just never actually stops, while you're in its control panel), then it's almost certainly just the number waiting to catch up with reality

[vapid gorge]

is it only the efficiency meter?

if so, fuck the effciency meter. They used to be so off it was laughable. Now it's kinda worse because they look right but who knows how accurate they are

[edgy galleon]

the issue is I am getting yellow light, but it dosent make sense, the machines full input and always emptied output

[vapid gorge]

are you wearing a hoverpack?

[edgy galleon]

no it kept crashing me out the server

[vapid gorge]

ok look at the yellow light machine's control panel, is it starving to get the yellow light? or clogged?

these are your 2 options

since yuo're not wearing a hoverpack

[edgy galleon]

I dont understand what you mean by starving and clogged, input is full, and output is not filling

[vapid gorge]

ok so look at the control panel

take a screen shot when it goes on standby

[edgy galleon]

ugh, when I look at one thats gone yellow it just strats runnig right

you know what F it, whats 5GW

It "runs" I got better things to do

thanks for trying to help, sorry I'm so dumb

[split sierra]

i did a similar thing in my powerplant, except i separated the heavy oil residue into a separate one

i used the pipeline mk1 as the constraint for the array, made one blueprint for the hor refinery and one for the pdf+2 packagers

[late trench]

Is it worth it to make rotors and stators using only iron (iron pipe iron wire and steel rotor recipes) or just use the fastest recipe for them

for general use in building

[dusky dust]

"Worth it," as with any other question of that ilk, is an entirely personal decision on your part

And keep in mind that it's not like you're tied down to a specific recipe choice for the rest of the game

[oblique hollow]

care to DM me the save file?
i like looking through these when theres issues

[dusky dust]

You might use one set of recipes in one factory and a completely different set of recipes in another, depending on local nodes, your mood, or the phase of the moon, etc.

[late trench]

i mean for it to go to like a dimesional depot to use for building not for other recipes

is the case that they are not getting used up all the time

[dusky dust]

If you're worried about resource availability, keep in mind that there are far more resources on the map than a lot of people realize. You really have to try hard, if you want to literally exhaust resources. So questions about optimal ore use generally only come into play if you're talking about local ores, and in that case the answers depend heavily on where exactly you're building

[dusky dust]

It's the same answer: up to you

Alt recipes are just there to give you options for building. They're not good or bad, they're just options

[late trench]

i have 6 impure iron nodes and 3 normal iron nodes next to my base

[dusky dust]

Want to only use Iron? Then sure, those recipes are the way to go.

But maybe the next time you build 'em you don't want to only use iron.

Nobody can make these decisions but yourself. :)

[dusky dust]

This is semi-tangential to the question you asked, but I'd also recommend not thinking about things as "my base" or having a "main base." I recommend thinking of it as just "here's another factory I'm building." Make the factory near the nodes that you need, and slowly spread out over the map

Centralization causes more problems than it solves, IMO. :)

I say semi-tangential in that if you are used to spreading out and expanding, then the range of sites you have to build factories is much greater, so you can choose what resources you want to build near, which may impact your recipe selection

[late trench]

this is my 2nd playtrough and i try to not centralize much but for basic phase 2 stuff i try to make stuff at my main base

[dusky dust]

Though I suppose at the rotor+stator phase of the game you don't have a lot of logistics options, and staying relatively centralized isn't much of a problem yet

[late trench]

for my first i had most of the stuff at the main base expect oil processing nuclear energy coal energy and ficsite

[dusky dust]

Anyway, once again re: the question specifically: it's up to you! There's no "best" or "worst" way to do this stuff, and alt recipes are just there to give you options. Build the factory you want to build, etc! :)

[cerulean stratus]

yeah, honestly i don't think I'll be able to do it nice if I don't just absolutely spaghettify it, but that's fine

[late trench]

i just want to unlock trains before spreading stuff out

well i have trains but i want to move to my new base first

also they need oil proc

[cerulean stratus]

btw, I'm now using the item teleporter mod.
It's pretty crazy going fused wire to heavy oil cables

[thick vigil]

Trying to split over 300 screws into 3 assemblers 3 times. Unfortunately, my subfloor is coming out slightly wonky... Anyone have a potentially reasonable solution?

[cerulean stratus]

what do you think of doing a vertical splitter bp

[thick vigil]

Kind of tight of a space to do that though, yes?

I came up with this, but it kind of breaks the flow of the rest of the build.

Sorry,. crappy pic.

Eh, I just did a bus from the side rather than jack up the whole system. Looks funky, but that's what sub-floors are fore, right?

[cerulean stratus]

today I learned

if a bp has space underneath and you put it down, it won't counter as a bp inside the bp designer

[thick vigil]

Finished the belting for the Assemblers on top. The bottom is 3 9 Constructor BP's lined up next to each other. Now to set up the power to the roof.

I learned last night that you can vertical nudge power poles.

[thick vigil]

Building a motor factory... Still need to get the quickwire Stator production up, but where to put the Assemblers for that AND the actual motors?

[cerulean stratus]

one thing I hadn't realized before

is just how much steel I need make

Like, I thought 6 foundries would be good enough, but no

[thick vigil]

LOL It actually helps to use alternate recipes for it. I learned that the hard way.

[cerulean stratus]

yeah solid steel is great

[thick vigil]

Molded Steel beam and pipe recipes are also good to use. Especially for the beams.

This is my entire steel pipe production for the factory I just showed.

[cerulean stratus]

yeah but at this point going the concrete way would require me to remake a bunch of things, and I'm not sure if I have enough concrete in the immediate vicinity

oh forgetaboutit

it's pure nodes

[lavish oak]

iron pipes + fully overclocked mk2 miners. AHHHHHHHHHH

[cerulean stratus]

i just didn't want to be making craptons of machines

[thick vigil]

LOL Make a good BP for that.

[cerulean stratus]

yeah I'm gonna need to make 12 foundries

making steel

[thick vigil]

The amount of iron that requires...

[lavish oak]

fr

[cerulean stratus]

iron alloy helps

[thick vigil]

Copper to steel eh? Must be alchemy.

[thick vigil]

Also, how about 5 constructors to make Iron Bars (out of steel), and another 27 just to pump out Cast Screws for 12 Assemblers to be able to put out rotors. And that's just half the assembly I'm working on.

[cerulean stratus]

im doing the copper rotors route

[thick vigil]

Sorry, only 9 Assemblers.

[cerulean stratus]

it uses less screws, and I got way more copper around than I can do with it

[thick vigil]

I thought about it.

[cerulean stratus]

holy jesus, if I go the concrete route with molden beams and pipes it's 25 constructors

[thick vigil]

Funny thing is there's a pure copper node right nearby but I had the wild idea to pull Caterium down from the mountains and have already built the factory for that too. ugh... Just need to find room for the Stator production and I can be done.

[cerulean stratus]

fused wire is so op

since I got teleporters and limiters, I'm making all the wire in one place, and then I'm teleporting it to the oil to make oil cables

so far, it hasn't paid off

[thick vigil]

3 stacks of 9 constructors perfectly balanced...

Just for screws...

Of course, that was a blueprint I designed for the job. Just didn't expect to need 3 of it.

[cerulean stratus]

ok, here's what the math looks like

tbf I am adding 10 hmf per min, which is pretty heavy

[thick vigil]

both heavy and modular frames AND motors? No wonder you need so many machines!

The heavy modular frames alone was a headache for me. Versatile frames much less so.

[ripe wing]

that looks good

[vernal swallow]

Do you try to make it look good? My Hmf production site is just a mess

[cerulean stratus]

make it look good for means knowing where the things I need are and how to go there

[vernal swallow]

Did you learn that in your first save? Or did you make more play throughs

[cerulean stratus]

I've made a bunch of playthroughs already, I think I beat phase 4 like 5 times
But there's only so many layouts you can use

[vernal swallow]

Oh okay that’s an amount
yeah I wanted to find out everything on my own for my first one rn so I wouldn’t spoil myself for anything
But it’s exhausting

Any tips for some rules I should follow? Idk resource management or smth

[cerulean stratus]

oh, you're on your first one

[vernal swallow]

yeah

[cerulean stratus]

show me how it looks

[vernal swallow]

Im not Home at the moment, I can in 3 days if that’s alright

[cerulean stratus]

In terms of building things you have mainly 2 ways; chain based or manifold based
chain based means that whenever you need more rotors, you will build the whole rotors chain

but manifold based means you just add more machines to that manifold and the manifolds behind it

[cerulean stratus]

And then you have hybrids. Like 2 cast screws constructors make exactly 1 rotors assembler, so you expand them all together

But this phases out a bit later on when the ratios becomes 210/6.295 or something like that

[crimson moat]

that's when you clock em to integer ratios

[cinder prism]

@vapid gorge heres what I was trying to do

[cyan cypress]

I have one alt left and it won’t let me scan for it

It’s the speed wiring alt. I only have two milestones left, the singularity cell one and the Blueprint MK3

[thick vigil]

It's alive... IT'S AAALLLLIIVVVVEEEEE!!!

[cerulean stratus]

ok, so about tractors, I have a 3m route and a 1m30s route on my save
they're both transporting a 200 stack size item (rubber and quartz crystal)
having in consideration the max size of the tractor (25 stacks), this gives me a max throughput of 3333.33 items per min on the 90s route and half of that on the 3 min one

[thick vigil]

Sorry, been struggling with this motor factory for days.

[vapid gorge]

Was this for foundations under rails? If so my vid is a good option

[cerulean stratus]

Ah, just 1 wagon of trains is equivalent to 1 tractor

[crimson moat]

https://i.imgur.com/B6lUe9O.gif Just gonna leave this here

[velvet bramble]

any of these worth grabbing?

went on a crash site spree

steamed sheets seems nice, just more per copper and water isnt hard to find

[thorn bane]

reroll 2 and 4 imo

[velvet bramble]

but just leave the others to hold options?

like prevent rolling them

[thorn bane]

they have some decent ones, if you get in the situation where theyd be useful

[velvet bramble]

LETS GO GAMBLING

[vapid gorge]

recipes are only as useful as the situations you're putting yourself in. They all have their uses. Pick based on what youre building next and what might work for you

[wooden jasper]

You're missing out if you don't save scum to get the best outcomes from hard drives 🫨

[velvet bramble]

I mean there are some like cast screws and solid steel ingots that are “just better”

[thorn bane]

just get all of them
exploration is fun!

[wooden jasper]

I just don't like waiting for hours

¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

I'll get them all eventually. Some of them will just be unlocked faster

I always pick out the alts that have only upsides (like pure copper/iron/caterium) bc they directly multiply the output for the cost of a little power

[vapid gorge]

cast screws aren't better if you use steel rods for example and want to be resource safe.
solid steel is a harder argument but the base steel recipe is simpler in layout

and those are at the extreme ends of 'use' for the recipe lists

[dusky dust]

If you scan as you find the drives, there's relatively little waiting. In case you didn't know: you can construct a MAM out in the field, start a drive scanning, then deconstruct the MAM and go on your way. Whenever it's done you can construct it again to get your result (and pop in a new drive if you have one)

For myself, at least, I don't tend to find drives more quickly than I can scan, on average, or at least not very much faster

[unborn dome]

Is the "fertile uranium" alt any good? I can't decide...no quartz, but more uranium, and it doesn't consume as much waste

[vapid gorge]

it's good if you want more plutonium rods vs uranium rods

if you don't? then it's not

[dusky dust]

Depends what you mean by "good," as always, though it is sort of a trap, IMO. It does increase your Plutonium yield from a given amount of Uranium Waste, but if you instead put the required Uranium into your Uranium step, you'll get more power out of your Uranium

Though the difference is quite slight, and my statement does assume you're using the most uranium-efficient Uranium alts

[unborn dome]

I'm not sure, do I want more? 😅

[unborn dome]

Yeah this is what I'm kinda mentally squinting at - is it actually "better" as far as more power?

[vapid gorge]

I can't tell you that xD you'll get more plutonium waste if yo uburn them? you can make more ficsonium that way?

iirc max uranium rods gets you more power

but you're doing a fairly small uranium power station aren't you?

[dusky dust]

Yeah, if you use every uranium-step alt, spending the Uranium on that step will net you a bit more power than using Fertile

[unborn dome]

Yeah, 8 uranium, 6 plutonium, eventually 3 ficsonium. All 250% OC.

[dusky dust]

As I say, though, the difference is pretty slight

[vapid gorge]

well if you aren't doing max uranium usage in the world, and want more power, then fertile uranium would do it for you

[dusky dust]

Enough so that once I realized that, on my last playthrough, I didn't bother recalculating anything

[vapid gorge]

cause you can always import more of the uranium in the world

[unborn dome]

You just did the default recipe?

[dusky dust]

Nah, was using all nuclear alts

Which, for each individual step, does give you the most yield. But technically I could've gotten more power out of the same amount of Uranium if I'd fed it into the Uranium step instead of using Fertile

[vapid gorge]

for uranium rods? it's less eficient, but if you're not planning on using all the uranium on the map it's fine

[dusky dust]

(though, again, the overall power difference is slight)

[unborn dome]

Currently planning on 400/min raw uranium

[vapid gorge]

cause if your goal is just 200gw of nuclear power, you can do that with the base recipes

[vapid gorge]

can always drone more in easily 😄

power the drones with plutonium rods

[unborn dome]

That's what I was considering...take the train-accessible uranium nodes first and save the uranium ones (like the one at the top of the world) for if I really need more later

[dusky dust]

Though the other benefit of shifting more into the Uranium step is that the Pu (and Fi, if you do it) steps are more complex/"heavy" than the Uranium step. So making more Uranium and less Pu+Fi is, IMO, "cheaper" from an effort perspective than making more Pu+Fi and less U

[unborn dome]

That's true as well. Less complex factory

[vapid gorge]

drones drones drones

[thorn bane]

ye uranium is like THE use case for drones imo
low throughput and sketchy af places

[vapid gorge]

yeah most of the nodes are very annoying

I like building a drone in the waterfall cave one and build a 'hatch' for it to rise up through the river

[unborn dome]

Oh the one above the swamp?

Heh neat, guessing it doesn't trigger those automatic doors, so it's just a dark hole you can't see the water at the bottom of?

[vapid gorge]

yeah jsut make a hole 😄 you can also have black signs that look like a hole?

use a mod to have gates that are open but make them flat? But you're not modding iirc

[unborn dome]

Nope no mods

[vapid gorge]

yeah then probably an open hole that goes a bit higher up than the water line, and then black signs just covering the water and up the sides of hte hole

Concrete foundations all around 🙂

maybe guard rails, walk way from the shore as a gangway?

lots of creative options

[dusky dust]

Alternatively, it might be easier to make a clipped conveyor lift look good, since you don't have to line it up with any animations and such. I've done that a few times for underground resources

[unborn dome]

Like a lift coming up through a decorated foundation?

[dusky dust]

Make a convincing-looking "this is actually a borehole of some sort" thing on the ceiling of the cave and on the ground above it, once you connect the lift

[vapid gorge]

yeah the cavern roof is thin enough 1 lift form the ceiling gets to the surface. A bit more boring though 😛

[unborn dome]

Conveniently I have a track right there

[dusky dust]

I tend to actually try to snap 'em to an actual conveyor floor hole, though that requires getting foundations lined up (easiest if you use world grid, I suppose, though I tend to look down my nose at world grid. :)

Though yeah, to CobaltOfDoom's point, a drone emerging from a port-in-the-ground would be cooler. :D

[vapid gorge]

@pulsar rover If you're having issues, try getting help in a channel that isn't busy and you can post images

sideways images in a different channel you have to flip back and forth to just makes everything harder

[pulsar rover]

Yeah sorry, I’m just new and trying to comprehend, and I have to take phone pics I’m playing on a handheld

[vapid gorge]

yup just take a few better shots right way up.

stand higher up and take over head shots of the whole thing.

[wooden jasper]

Yeah I'd run out of drives and have a bunch of alts I don't want stuck in my library 😔

[gusty pine]

https://medal.tv/games/satisfactory/clips/kKaybQ7m3qHKuNzTx?invite=cr-MSxPT08sMjIxOTMwNzI5 Does anyone know how to fix this?

(im on multiplayer)

[vapid gorge]

What is the issue?

if it's placement , it's one of the many reasons why you build splitters and mergers first

[sand epoch]

Yea I'm not seeing anything to fix?

[gusty pine]

no its the glitching around

near the end of the clip

[vapid gorge]

yeah that looks like a placement issue? you could ask the hose to restart?

[vernal apex]

anyone has some 8:3 coal setup material requirement?

[sand epoch]

120 coal and... ? If I'm remembering right...

[vapid gorge]

360 water total from 3 extractors

[sand epoch]

Wow I farted on water..

Lol

[vapid gorge]

carbonated

[ripe wing]

so, i need to pass 57.5/min of rods for screws and send rest to a assembler how do i do that?

[vapid gorge]

create a group of machines clocked to make 57.5 pm?

you could also just have the assembler on the same manifolds and just send all the rods down one belt

[ripe wing]

so if i send all rods on one belt it will distribute good?

[ripe wing]

yeah i think this

[vapid gorge]

having them on one manifold also works. Doesn't matter if you have different machine types

[ripe wing]

manifold is splitter?

idk i feel autistic its pretty hard to do this setup

[vapid gorge]

a manifold is a belt line with splitters feeding machines

[ripe wing]

oh so that would work just fine? if i produce enough rods

[vapid gorge]

yup. All a manifold cares about is enough parts per min and a fast enough belt

[ripe wing]

aight thanks

so i guess i was just overthinking this setup

[vapid gorge]

yup 😄

but remember, clocking groups of machines to make what you need going down one path is still very useful

you don't always want to have all the parts go to the same section

[somber sedge]

how much oil do u reccon this can get me

the data from the wiki suggests i can get 1350

at 250%

[unique cypress]

If you place a pressurizer on it, it'll tell you

But yeah, 1350 sounds right

[somber sedge]

i dont have a pressurzier on me rn

tis seems about right

so im gonna have to make this in modules

[unique cypress]

1300 fuel gens 🤣

[somber sedge]

i guess this is how big a single module can be? i say that cuz im guessing that 600 turbo fuel is gonna be a bottle neck

[unique cypress]

At least have the decency to OC them

[somber sedge]

yes yes

[unique cypress]

Idk if I'd rely on a single mk2 pipe consistently doing 600/min

You can make it work, but it's difficult to fix it if it doesn't work

[somber sedge]

oh.... the closets nitrogen node.....

[unique cypress]

So I'd suggest to split the fuel into 2 300/min mk2 pipes or w/e

[somber sedge]

w/e???

[unique cypress]

Whatever

Like it doesn't have to be a 300/300 split

Or build one module and see if it works with a 600/min pipe

[somber sedge]

why can i not rely on that?

it seemed like the most obvios solution

[unique cypress]

Pipes are fucked up. Most of the time, I can get 600/min through a pipe, but I've ran into situations where I could only get like 595 and it wouldn't go higher

With gas (which RF is), it should be more likely to work

The only thing you definitely shouldn't do is build the whole thing without testing

If you can make one module work, then the others should work fine as well

[clever steppe]

What did you use to make this graphic?

[unique cypress]

It's Satisfactory Modeler

Available on Steam

[clever steppe]

Thank you!

[somber sedge]

lets see how am i gonna divide this

i could do
2 pure
1 pure 2 normal
1 normal...

looks like ill only be able to make 2.25 modules

no wait

mb

miscalculation

1 normal doe (x3)```

so thats 9 modules

lets hope this much space is enough

[vapid gorge]

you can always build up

[somber sedge]

ooo true

[somber sedge]

ill have to train this, right?

sighhh

hmm

[unique cypress]

You could drone it too

Packaged nitrogen is 4x denser than gas

(well, 8x in trains)

[somber sedge]

i dont wanna deal with aluminium tho

also in terms of sulfer ive got 2 impure nodes nearby :(

thats uhh 120 + 120

overclocked thats 600 with overclocking

:(

[somber sedge]

thats not even close to 3600

[unique cypress]

You can use default rocket fuel. Pretty sure that uses a lot less sulfur

[somber sedge]

really?

theres a bunch of coal

if i can get SAM i could convert to sulpher

nicee

[unique cypress]

Those are the resource costs for 5400 default RF

More oil unfortunately, but less of everything else

And no coal

You can also cut the oil by a fair bit but at the cost of more sulfur and adding coal back

(the top is with a mix of default and blend turbofuel, the bottom with just default)

[somber sedge]

isnt this the default rocket fuel recpie??

also how would i signal this? (explaination coming)

[unique cypress]

Recycle the compacted coal back

[somber sedge]

okay...?

[unique cypress]

Now it's less sulfur and coal

You can also skip making compacted cial entirely by using turbo blend fuel

So default turbo to use up the byproduct compacted coal, and make the rest of the required turbo with blend

But it'll be even more oil

[somber sedge]

huh?? im at the blue station btw

[unique cypress]

If it's a bi-di track, I wouldn't signal this. Either 1 train and no signals, or no bi-di

[somber sedge]

okay now that u say it, i see the issue

[unique cypress]

I mean you can make it work but it's awful to build and use

[somber sedge]

Yes true

[cerulean stratus]

Ok guys
I got another stupid idea

I'm going to use trucks, as a bus!

Wait no that's a horrible idea

[somber sedge]

huh......

[cerulean stratus]

Trucks cannot filter the stuff they carry

[wind spade]

I mean if it's the only signal there, obviously it will loop into itself

[brisk urchin]

with block signals you always need a minimum of 2 for them to work

[wind spade]

eh that's not really true, but you should signal your whole network before resolving errors

[somber sedge]

nope, there are many signals in the system

Light blue is everywhere with a signal

[somber sedge]

If I put a signal anywhere in this yellow area, I get the error

[frail sigil]

I'd be curious on if the track is like
Disconnected somehow

[somber sedge]

The trains seem to move perfectly fine

It's fine, it seems the trains work fine without there being any signals in the yellow area

[wise oar]

are all the blue ones block signals?

[somber sedge]

Ye

[wise oar]

ok... so its just not detecting that the other block signals by the junction and station exist on the same track.. I cant help with this since i work with duel train lines.. sorry

[wind bay]

trains are a bit fiddly, you sometimes need to rebuild tracks and replace signals in different orders to get it to work

[somber sedge]

yeah its fine guys

[violet stag]

I am already done with so much of my Factory (Top part is done bottom is left)

[haughty barn]

Fully automating phase 4 is overrated

I am extremely scared for this message

[violet stag]

I already Handmade Assembly Director System and MAgnetic Field Generator but I want to Automate Nuclear Pasta as I will need even more for Phase 5 and also want to automate Thermal Propulsion Rockets as they are needed for Ballistic Warp drives

[haughty barn]

Ok

[somber sedge]

i was thinking of making nuke noblisks from just iron, SAM and crude oil

probably not a good idea

[haughty barn]

5 a minute is pretty excessive

[somber sedge]

it is?

[brisk urchin]

not at all lol

[somber sedge]

how much do u make

[haughty barn]

Zero

But 1 every 12 seconds seems pretty overkill

300 nukes and hour

[somber sedge]

yeah

i blow shit up a lot

[wise oar]

hey, i need help, how do i put these specific items in their designated storage bins keeping mind of overflow and the dump bins which sort stuff in the bins and any extras/overflow will go into a sink

the time crystals and trigon ones are just reserved spaces for when i do end up getting that far into the game

[fallow siren]

smart splitter?

[magic island]

manifold with smart splitters running behind the bins

[fallow siren]

set the smart splitter into x item filter and overflow

[wise oar]

what about everything else?

[magic island]

since you have different items on opposite sides, you may either want to use a programmable splitter to initially separate them, or just loop the belt back around to pass by the other side.

[fallow siren]

just remember to set a sink at the end of line

[magic island]

any item that's not designated in a smart splitter's outputs will be considered overflow. so you can just smart-split one item at a time as the belt passes by each bin

[wise oar]

so one for the ittem, one for overflow, and the other for undefined... and with the dump bins i put a programmable splitter there?

the dump bins you put stuff inside and then they get sorted btw

[magic island]

no need to use undefined. overflow will catch undefined items AND excess items

[fallow siren]

undefined is not needed, item that isnt for x filter will count as overflow

[wise oar]

ah ok

[magic island]

so if you just do [Item] and [Overflow] at each splitter, each splitter will pick its designated item off the belt until you get the leftovers at the very end, which you can sink

[wise oar]

ok thank you!

[cerulean stratus]

Really? Right in front of my thermal propulsion rockets?

[haughty barn]

Yes.

[cerulean stratus]

how dare you! Every part deserves to be automated

[haughty barn]

But mark 6 belts

[burnt topaz]

ngl i didnt even fully automate phase 3

[haughty barn]

First time I did it I had horrible production and left my pc on overnight

[burnt topaz]

i couldnt be bothered to automate modular engines

i mean i did eventually

but only in phase 4

[fiery star]

Could some of you maybe give me a rough pointer on how much energy generation I should have when getting into phase 4 (aluminium stuff)?

[ripe wing]

how much coal per minute per coal generator?

[dusky dust]

If you click on the little gear (edit: not a gear, just an orange icon) next to the input buffer, on the generator, it'll show you the consumption rate for all fuel types it supports

[fiery star]

I really struggle with heavy modular frames and when I checked what I needed to get 10 of them a minute it would need more energy than my whole factory needs at this moment

[dusky dust]

(This is true for all power-generation buildings)

[dusky dust]

IMO, as much as you can stand building. I always like to have a very healthy power overhead

And I keep an eye on it on a pretty regular basis, and whenever I get to within about a third or a quarter of my capacity left, I prioritize building more power

[ripe wing]

its a gear for u? but thanks anyway i had no idea

[fiery star]

I'm at 2400MW atm which seems to be really low

[dusky dust]

Oh, I thought it was a gear, but clearly not. :D Whatever, yes, that orange icon. :)

[ripe wing]

i feel u, u see smth wrong for the first time and then believe it its what u see it is

[dusky dust]

The real driver is just your consumption lines versus your Capacity line

Personally I always make sure that my "Max Consumption" is comfortably below my Capacity. Part of that is that I generally strive to have all my factories constantly running at 100%; if you habitually let factories go idle, you can often get away with letting Max Consumption go above that, so long as your actual consumption is below

Having some extra headroom is important just 'cause it often takes power to supply new power-generation machines, so it's handy to have that available while you're building the new power

[fiery star]

I also struggle with logistics in general, I started in the south and getting all my energy from the south east (atm just 6 fuel generators with normal fuel)

I am in the process of upgrading that plant to turbo fuel though, but I need quite a bit more ressources to make that change

[dusky dust]

For power especially I tend to recommend against upgrading anything, btw. Can just leave your existing fuel gens as they are, and build new turbofuel gens

[fiery star]

hmm

[dusky dust]

I recommend that in general too, but there's rarely any good reason to tear down existing power infrastructure. I always finish my playthroughs with my original coal gens still running, etc.

[fiery star]

I mean there are 2 more pure crude oil nodes in the area I just saw

Guess I could do that

[dusky dust]

(I did have one playthrough awhile ago where I did Compacted Coal coal gens and ended up wanting that sulfur for something else, so I did tear down those gens on that playthrough. But that's the exception. :)

Honestly there are a lot more resources on the map than most folks realize. You really have to try hard to literally exhaust resources

Making use of them might require expanding out and building in new areas, but that's its own fun as well. :)

[fiery star]

I don't think my issue is the lack of ressources, just lacking knowledge/ideas on how to utilize them in a better way

[dusky dust]

Though, of course, this is all just my own advice; play however you like. So long as you're having fun, you're doing it right

Though I will definitely advise not being afraid to over-build on power

I generally finish Phase 2 with 48-64 coal gens, for instance

[fiery star]

ok that is nuts, I have 9

[dusky dust]

And I generally can't bring myself to build triple digits of Fuel Gens just 'cause I don't like Fuel Gen spam, but I will often end up with 50+, overclocked

[fiery star]

I wouldn't even know how to get all the coal needed for that

[dusky dust]

There's various places on the map with more than one coal node right next to largeish bodies of water; those places are kind of custom-made for coal-power generation

I've generally got four coal nodes dedicated to just coal power

Now that you're on fuel, I wouldn't necssarily recommend building out more coal power, but I guess my point is that I'd recommend not worrying about building "too much" power.

I'll generally take something like a coal/oil node and maximize the amount of power I can get from that node, etc.

[fiery star]

My biggest (or at least one of my main issues) is that I have trouble transfering large amounts of ressources over long distances

for example transporting plastic and rubber from the south east to my base in the south I'd have to go through so much bad terrain if I used trucks I just gave up on that

[dusky dust]

Yeah, logistics is eventually a problem which is very useful to solve, and all of the methods have various learning curves (and things they're good/bad at)

Tractors/Trucks are best when you can make use of the map's "natural" roads, which definitely does limit your route selection. I'll often factor proximity to those "roads" in when deciding where to put a new factory, though I'll also sometimes end up belting the materials to/from some Truck Stations which are near the roads

[fiery star]

I at least managed to get a truck running coal for me going now which helps a lot

[dusky dust]

At your stage in the game, I think you should be at least quite close to having trains unlocked; those are well worth the investment and allow you to not have to worry about what the terrain is doing, apart from that influencing your rail routes

I do tend to find tractors a bit easier to deal with than trucks, fwiw.

I've found I rarely actually need the extra carrying capacity of trucks (plus the tractors are cuter)

[fiery star]

I do have trains unlocked but tbh it's very overwhelming

[dusky dust]

Yeah, there's various points in the game where it's throwing a lot at you at once

It helps to remember that there's literally no pressure of any sort, once you're out of the biomass-collection stage

[fiery star]

I'm hoping that drones will be good

[dusky dust]

So you can take all the time you want to get used to things. I'd say "the game's a marathon, not a sprint," but it's really more of a leisurely saunter than a marathon, too. :D

Drones are indeed quite good, though at scale they'll be very power-hungry, and require fuelling

If you're used to overbuilding on power, though, neither of those are major blockers

I admit I find it hard to not over-use drones once I have 'em. Always have to remind myself to still lay rail to new factories just so I have passenger rail available. :P

[frail sigil]

Unapproved leisurely saunters are not permitted during work hours.

[cyan cypress]

Is there a way to know if you’ve unlocked all the alt recipes ?

[unique cypress]

in SCIM, yes

in game, not quickly I don't think

if you've got all milestones and MAM unlocked, and HDD scanning says no more rewards available, then you've got all of them

[cyan cypress]

Got it

Also in coop the collectable achievements are kind of glitched

Any get around for this

[cinder prism]

question about oil stuff, is there a way I can make a fuel overflow?

like, all oil into rubber, all oil waste into fuel, fuel and rubber to recycled plastic, and when the storages clog, the fuel goes to generators

[unique cypress]

oil into heavy oil residue, and then residue into diluted fuel is way more efficient

[wind spade]

what do you need it for?

"when storages clog" -> overflow storages to sink

[unique cypress]

as for overflow, check the pins in this channel for the plumbing manual

[cinder prism]

or I need to sink the plastic, and ratio the fuel excess to generators
wanted to make things different than I usually do

[cinder prism]

dont have that recipe yet

[cinder prism]

my idea was to overflow the fuel into energy generators, not the plastic

[wind spade]

you want energy production to be constant

not dependent on storage being full

[unique cypress]

idk about you, but I wouldn't want variable power capacity

[wind spade]

given that energy consumption is practically fixed anyway

[cinder prism]

its more of a I want to sink fluids than to make energy. my fuel production would barely make energy compared to the coal power plants I already built

[wind spade]

yeah then sink solids

[cinder prism]

unless I made a fuel plant focused on fuel

[wind spade]

that you make out of those fluids

[cinder prism]

oh well, think Im gonna go on a hard drive hunt again and rebuild the fuel plant

it was mostly a matter of "I always make the same oil processing layout" so I wanted to mix things up but now its an inneficient mess

[soft vigil]

can someone tell me witch one is worth the most or is the best?

[thorn bane]

stitched is best
especially with iron wire

[unique cypress]

I only ever use stitched and adhered plates. the recipes that use screws are awful tbh

[soft vigil]

ok

[wind spade]

"best" depends on what you prefer

[crimson moat]

They're solid IF you have cast screws. You just put a screw constructor behind each assembler to turn bars into screws, and feed bars to the unit.

[wind spade]

or steel screws

[crimson moat]

If you don't have cast screws you need an extra constructor to make rods first, and that is annoying/bulky.. but Cast Screws is usually one of the first couple of hard drive unlocks.

[unique cypress]

screw management isn't even the reason why I think they're terrible

they're just expensive

and you don't get any benefits for that extra cost either

[crimson moat]

more expensive on iron than iron wire?

[unique cypress]

yup

[crimson moat]

Well, at least it takes 1 less alt recipe 😛

[cerulean stratus]

i like the wire one as it is versatile. it's less iron intensive than normal one and you don't need screws and you can even use copper to balance things out

but the bolted one means less machines

[crimson moat]

fewer!

[thorn bane]

meanwhile i make stiched from fused wire so iron, copper and caterium 🙃

[crimson moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXINZxodu9U

[cerulean stratus]

ah, the english teacher

[crimson moat]

Just a funny reference, although that video is missing a few 😄

[unique cypress]

(no pure iron btw)

[crimson moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyD1asFBH-U

[dusky dust]

If you're willing to squint at the logic, over/underclocking means that we've got non-whole-numbers of machines. :D

[cerulean stratus]

yeah once you're doing 10 hmf per minute, you really don't want to get stuck at making assemblers forever

[crimson moat]

Damn, huge difference.

This is part of my current build (mostly done)

[thorn bane]

215
fuck iron wire

[crimson moat]

It can be a lot if you're new to the game, but you get MUCH faster at breaking things down into tileable, logical blocks etc.

that plan includes everything for 12.8 nuclear pasta (made from 12.8 heavy frames) btw

[unique cypress]

meanwhile, me
(that's constructors, not wire/min)

[crimson moat]

by the time that part rolled around, i didn't think twice about it, 12.8 hmf with all alts and tech took a matter of minutes.

Even if my first 4 hmf/min took half a day, 6 months before.

[thorn bane]

yall are crazy for doing iron wire

42/min HMFs

[dusky dust]

Heh, yeah, Iron Wire == constructors for days

Though at least gigantic matricies of constructors are easy enough to blueprint. :D

[crimson moat]

i think i have 8 constructors in a blueprint and i just dropped it like 30 times with autoconnect belts mostly. The biggest issue is that 4505 wire output requires splitting the constructors into four seperate banks to not overwhelm the output belts.

[unique cypress]

though this is a bigger crime

[thorn bane]

can also blueprint assemblers 🙃

[dusky dust]

Made the mistake of going with Iron Wire on my U8 ADS buildout, and that was a hell of a constructor grid. :P

[thorn bane]

hahaha ye

[unique cypress]

actually, correction, that was 250% OC
that's 100% lmao

[thorn bane]

just do alloy

[unique cypress]

I'm not gathering 25000 extra iron ore and 5000 extra copper to save on machines

[thorn bane]

never forget
the great wire shortage of 2023

[crimson moat]

😶‍🌫️

[unique cypress]

I'll be making nearly 50k 🤣

[thorn bane]

i made this in dune desert

[crimson moat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDxhQguOCk4

need an AI video of this but with copper ingots xd

into a train cart

[thorn bane]

it wasnt even that bad once i had a blueprint for ore->powder

[crimson moat]

Yeah it's simple, just expensive. The main rough part is mass production of pure ingots.

IF you're going that route.

For a maxed world plan, it's worth the investment; for a game completion etc, hell no, just go to more nodes.

making 10,000 pure copper ingots is an event.

I think on my game completion i actually used 3600 ingots from 3 pure nodes, and just ran them for a while.

[versed violet]

Confuzzled user question - how is truck station fuel use calculated?
I have moderately long route that uses 5 fuel, a short route that uses 6, and very long one from blue crater to grass plains that also uses five.
The last one has fuel connected on both sides and both say five, so is it using 5 or 2x5 = 10 per minute?

[main thicket]

would this work? basically 15 comes from the valve and another 600 from another input. it goes directly into a refinery

[crimson moat]

I don't understand how this is connected, how it's fed (flow directions etc) or what you're trying to do here

[unique cypress]

"PER/M" is the most fucked up unit i've seen this month lmao

[main thicket]

so basically i have 2 pipes with 600 fuel each. now i put this fuel into refineries that consume 22.5 each, meaning that 15 fuel is left from each pipe. now i use a valve at 15 that connects to the next line of 600. that would basically mean 615 in a pipe (not possible) but the junction that connect the valve and the 2nd 600 fuel source goes directly into a refinery.

i tried my best to explain its a bit confusing

[thorn bane]

first guess no, id keep it <600 system and split into 2 systems of 300 and 315
but idk maybe it works

[main thicket]

alright ill just do it safe

[unique cypress]

yeah, I'd be concerned about the valve actually doing 15/min. it probably wouldn't, at least consistently

[main thicket]

ill overfill it first before turning the refineries on

idk valves and mk2 pipes are just terrible

[crimson moat]

There isn't a priority flow for fluids, at least not a direct one, so merging at the 600+15 area is not going to work well. It's likely that the 600 will choke the 15 sometimes even if technically there is a solution to move fluids from A to B.

[main thicket]

alright thanks guys

[versed violet]

connect the 600 and 15 from opposite sides of manifold so it meets in the middle?

[main thicket]

yeah something like that

btw is there still the issue where the mk2 pipes dont always carry 600 fluids? like 599

[unique cypress]

nah, they can do 600 exactly

[wind spade]

Never was

[unique cypress]

it's just difficult to say if a particular system will do 600 or not

[thorn bane]

wait really? i thought it was

[main thicket]

i remember when i was playing like 2-3 years ago they had issues

im 100 % sure i was seeing it on threads

[wind spade]

No it was user issue with backflows

[main thicket]

alright

[wind spade]

The same thing why we build loops and such

[main thicket]

got it

[wind spade]

(And why you have the "need care" in name)

[unique cypress]

there had to be something because setups that work fine now didn't work in U6Ex for me

[wind spade]

Wasn't that the "internal fluid buffer not saving" bug?

[unique cypress]

could've been, idk

I wasn't active much on reddit or discord back then so I didn't know about bugs and such

I just remember giving up on making my fuel plant work at 100%

and in U8 the same kind of setup worked fine immediately

even that one in U6 randomly started working, but I don't remember if it was in Ex still or after EA release of U6

but it was 100+ hours after I finished messing with it

[main thicket]

yeah it happened with mine too

same exact thing

[main thicket]

alright i fixed it thanks for the help

[mossy ibex]

I can never remember which one of the many calculators does a little diagram of the machines relative to the foundation space

ah it's satisfactoryproductionplanner.com/

[small yacht]

Been doing some exploring for sloops and spheres:D

[versed violet]

Any reason to not use Oil-based diamonds? Sounds like easiest recipe ever

also: WTF diamonds have the most alt recipes ever?

[unique cypress]

Oil is more precious than coal

[thorn bane]

oil diamonds are great i love them

[unique cypress]

But if you're not making too many, there's no reason not to use oil diamonds

[thorn bane]

i made 1200/min diamonds from oil 🤷

[versed violet]

I literally have 4 unused oil nodes in blue crater, after building a 2k/minute rubber factory. I think there is a LOT of free oil lying around.

[unique cypress]

That's 50% of the map's oil

[thorn bane]

ye, why not
rubber/plastic barely uses any with recycled

and oil comes in clumps so its easy to just turn an oil field into diamonds

[versed violet]

I am likely biased, because my power grid is nuclear and I have almost no fuel gens. One acting as excess sink and 8 scheduled for demolition that power my nuclear manufacturing. My total turbofuel production on map is like 15 units, because Turbo Ammo 😹

[thorn bane]

eh fuel barely uses oil
rocket fuel is mainly sulfur and nitrogen

[versed violet]

Definitelly turning all the coal into steel too.

[cyan cypress]

I have a light control panel, it’s powering the lights but can’t change color ?

[unborn dome]

Do you have the lights on the right side of the panel?

[quiet wasp]

finally got my first real oil power plant done for this save

nice to finally be done and have enough power until i eventually hit the cap again in maybe a few hours lol

[sage belfry]

do tractors/trucks handle pathfinding and collisions elegantly? if i needed 20k iron ore per minute in a desert factory, would as many trucks as needed to support that work without a bunch of issues

[fallow siren]

depends on how you drive their path

[vapid gorge]

don't have paths collide head on

[unique cypress]

Use trains

[fallow siren]

oh wow that extra 10 is... ugh

i might just use leached alt

[unique cypress]

I'd just use different alts somewhere else

[vapid gorge]

unless you're already bringing in sulfur that's just obnoxiou

[fallow siren]

ye this is a nuclear plant project

already bringing in sulfur

so might as well

[vapid gorge]

Use a touch of it ? don't need to do it all leached

[carmine raft]

will i need these in future phases?

[unique cypress]

Yes

[vapid gorge]

look them up in the wiki

[amber umbra]

@carmine raft You do need them later. But phase 4 is a lot lot to get through and you only need them at the end of phase 4. So just rebuilding new production for them can make sense.

[carmine raft]

hmmmm alright thank you

[dusky dust]

(on the other hand, they're also good for coupons in the meantime, so leaving them automated but getting shoved into a sink can be nice)

[haughty barn]

Keep versatile frames up at least, since you need 2500 of them in the next phase iirc

[oblique hollow]

you need all these parts in the next phase

[cerulean stratus]

I figured out you need so much steel for phase 2 and 3

[frail sigil]

Sooo thinking about redoing my train system
Currently my setup has a trainyard for every factory
these ship directly to the consuming factories
But would it make more sense to have a main trainyard which the producing factories ship to, and then the items get shipped to the consuming factories with the dedicated trains for those consuming factories?
I think it would allow me to have more control over the recieving half of the train system
Idk if that makes sense, but if it does, lmk your thoughts

[wind spade]

no, ship directly, much better

or even better - don't ship, build near nodes

[somber sedge]

guys im consuming 14k MW power, am i producing enough power

[oblique hollow]

no. moar

[wind spade]

14 GW

[unique cypress]

That variability in production would give me an aneurysm

[grave violet]

I'm starting the game, I do computer science and we learnt a lot about Excel and everything
After ~25 hours, I'm doing the thing

(I don't wanna use external blueprints or anything and online tools are not what I'm searching for, I can't think like how they're designed for)

[brisk urchin]

same

[somber sedge]

I don't understand why the power consumption is so low tho. I sure do hope there isn't some factory somewhere that's shut down for some reason

Also what's wrong with variability in power production? I know for a fact that it won't drop below 36GW. Everything other than that is spare change like random coal burners and geothermals scattered everywherw

[wind spade]

it's not reliable, so pointless to have

you will never want to use the excess power, because you can't rely on it being there

[somber sedge]

I thought the bonus was nice

What do u want me to do, disconnect everything unstable??

I can't remove coal burners cuz they're in my aluminium farm to eat the water

[wind spade]

make it stable 🙂

[somber sedge]

Hmm

[somber sedge]

But what do I do about this

[wind spade]

why are those unstable?

also you can loop back the water instead of getting rid of it

[somber sedge]

They are supplied with coal in excess, they only turn on when they get water from the aluminium factory

I did this to make sure they're never ever backed up, cuz if that happens the entire aluminium factory will feel a shockwave

[somber sedge]

Yeah I tried that and it never worked so this is what I settled on

[main thicket]

i have an issue. these refienries consume exactly 600 crude oil. i use mk2 pipes, all good. yet after some time of usage the last refineries in the row are empty. any tips?

[unique cypress]

I'd put the main manifold pipe a few meters higher, and a bit closer to the refineries

[wind spade]

Loop the manifold

[main thicket]

i ended up adding one extra mk2 pump and that fixed it. at least for now

thanks for the tips

[austere breach]

am i correct in thinking that if a supply of 240 is split along a manifold, each successive belt after a splitter will "lose" whatever amount is fed into the machine?

example, i have a supply of 240 iron and 240 coal being fed along five foundries. after splitter 1, belt stays mk3 because it only bled off 45, then another mk3, then 2, etc?

[burnt topaz]

the best way

I did it slightly different

[grave violet]

I like colors, when it's pretty
And also I'm playing with friends so I'm making things understandable :D

[lavish oak]

anyone know the best alt recipe for turbo motors

[unique cypress]

there isn't one

[lavish oak]

ythere is?

there is

[crimson moat]

what is it?

[lavish oak]

turbo pressure motor and turbo electric motor or smth like that

[thorn trail]

in order to determine the "best" of anything criteria must be given

[lavish oak]

i dont have a lot of crude oil or cooling systems

[unique cypress]

you don't need any

[lavish oak]

rubber

[lavish oak]

what?

[vapid gorge]

yes

although as it's spinning up the first machines will take more

[slow hawk]

hyper compact 20/min motors just made, I sure hope it works

[vapid gorge]

@frosty cypress pls don't listen to fras, show some images of your piping 🙂

[dusty hill]

@vapid gorge Let me know if you need any more

[vapid gorge]

is that refinery full of TF?

[dusty hill]

yes, there's 5 more full to the left of those

[vapid gorge]

And you jsut have that one lower pipe under it not accepting TF?

[dusty hill]

theres a straight pipe they are all connected to, then one pipe that goes to the plants

[vapid gorge]

wait , I thought the issue was one of your refineries couldn't output to a pipe?

[dusty hill]

the refinery furthst to the right in the picture is the only one that doesn't work

no, 7 of 8. Only one works

ononly one that works* typoed

[vapid gorge]

I need you to be more clear
you haven't connected up the system to fuel gens yet
so if they aren't feeding anythign they are all going to stall right?

[dusty hill]

They are connected to 7 gens right now, but they all start/stop. When I went to investigate, I saw 7 of the 8 tf refineries clogged on the output and input, and only 1 refinery trying to supply enough for all of them

[vapid gorge]

are teh gens working stably?

[dusty hill]

the lone pipe you see in my very firs picture that goes down goes to the gens. No they start/stop constantly

[vapid gorge]

ok when you have back flow in a system it's almost always because of how you're feeding machines

show some images of the fuel gen pipes

[dusty hill]

the row of 5 furthest to the right are on fuel, not tf at the moment

[vapid gorge]

did you put the generators on standby? they're all red

[dusty hill]

nope, they're burning. in the interface, it flashes back and forth between running and saying no power

like 2 seconds apart

[vapid gorge]

I only see 6 tf gens?

[dusty hill]

you're right, my bad i miscounted when I said 7. I was in the process of placing them when I noticed the start/stop

[vapid gorge]

ok how many fuel gens can your TF refineries feed?

because you should really finish a system before trouble shooting it

[dusty hill]

9, 1 at 75

[vapid gorge]

ok build your whole system first

[dusty hill]

like 8 at 100, 1 at 75

[vapid gorge]

connect it all up, then come back

there's no point trouble shooting it until you have it all set up

[gusty pine]

https://medal.tv/games/satisfactory/clips/kLzN4k2jYiWWamgtV?invite=cr-MSw0bUQsMjIxOTMwNzI5 Does anyone know how to fix this lag? (im in multiplayer)

[gloomy bridge]

That looks like either your connection to the server is a little slow, or the server is lagging, this will depend on how big the system is for your server and how big your save file is. Also, the more people on the server, the more lag/rubberbanding you'll get.

[gusty pine]

mm

if the host turns connection quality to ultra will the server run better?

[gloomy bridge]

Well, that depends on how far away from the server you are, for instance, if your server is in Detroit and you're in UK, it's not gonna help. It also might be a good idea to look at how fast your connection is to the server, and to your ISP.

[dusty hill]

still the same

[gusty pine]

alr ty, i am located in the same area as the server so its prob smth to do with my internet

[vapid gorge]

connect the 9th to the end of the line in the same row

[gloomy bridge]

I'd def look into your ping rate.

[vapid gorge]

then under clock 2-3 machiens to 50% and let the whole system fill

[dusty hill]

got it to work. idk if the floor holes are bugged on the edge of platforms or what, but it finally started working once I removed them and spaghetti'ed the pipes around the edge of the platform instead of using the holes

[vapid gorge]

They sometimes kill headlift but that' should be the only issue , you might have had a bugged connection and it got fixed along the way

try not to spagetify pipes though, they aren't belts and don't like being mistreated

you're working at very low flow though in that system so you probqably have a lot of leeway

[dusty hill]

yeah, it's a mess. Kind of annoyed actually because this was supposed to be my first clean, or at least cleaner build lol. Oh well, I'll have to play with the piping again when I have time

[vapid gorge]

@fringe geyser post in a channel you can put images in . like this.

and what is this for? coal gens?

[fringe geyser]

yes

[vapid gorge]

you don't need it looped but you can if you want

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

example diagrams

[fringe geyser]

hmm ok

[vapid gorge]

I highly recommend you just keep making groups of 3:8 like this, keep fluid systems simple and in their own little sections

[fringe geyser]

the first example- will it cause an issue if these are all interconnected?

[vapid gorge]

wdym?

[fringe geyser]

if it's one pipeline with three different input sources, wouldn't it create opposing water forces and cause problems

[vapid gorge]

nope. Coal generator systems are extremely sturdy and deal with nonsense better than later systems

later on or with secondary fluid processes I probably wouldn't use it though

[fringe geyser]

they're idiot pioneer-proof, i see

[vapid gorge]

pretty much. It's why they have these beginner layouts in the wiki 🙂

[fringe geyser]

well ty for the help, id better get to it

[vapid gorge]

I'd aim for 32 coal gens at teh start. Find a group of 4 nodes next to water. Every zone has at least one spot like that

then you can upgrade to 64 when you get mk3 belts

[fringe geyser]

only 4 nodes? like with mk2 minors normal coal nodes?

they can feed THAT many generators?

[vapid gorge]

1x mk2 belt (120 coal) does 8 gens

so 4x 120 = 32 gens

[fringe geyser]

im already using mk3 belts, hold crap

[vapid gorge]

ah, well overclock your miners and output at least 240 then, feed 2x8 groups per mine

[fringe geyser]

holy* this WHOLE time ive been off of 4 coal gens and 2 batteries

[vapid gorge]

oof. that's not much power to have when you have mk3 belts

[fringe geyser]

yeah i got lots of work to do rn so im getting 2 it

[vapid gorge]

8 groups of 8, will keep you going to tier 7 pretty easily

[tidal gale]

Me, running on coal until I the end of Phase 3...

[paper isle]

1st image is the main area, with the HUB, and some metal/steel lines
2nd is copper, changing out a constuctor recipe for either wire or copper sheets
3rd is more metal stuff, plus making a project part
4th is a small scale coal power factory
5th is a bigger scale coal
6th is another project part line
with power towers, hypertubes, wires, etc spead far and wide here

@dusty hill

have fun with the mess that is
my factory

[dusty hill]

the nodes can run more than one smelter and constructor

[fair magnet]

is this enough power to finish off phase 2

[dusty hill]

that'd be the first thing I'd fix

[thorn bane]

no

[fair magnet]

how much more do i need

[dusty hill]

do you know the purity of the node? Let's start with the copper

[thorn bane]

my recommendation is between 32 and 64

[fair magnet]

seriously??

[thorn bane]

coal generators that is

[fair magnet]

is there like water splitters or is it 1 to 1

[dusty hill]

you don't need that much for phase 2. I completed phase 2 with 8 coal gens and like 10 bio burners that never ran

pipe connector

it looks like a tee

[thorn bane]

1000 smart plating etc. is a lot

[fair magnet]

i alr got it

well the smart plating

[dusty hill]

Tha'ts if your speed running it lol, you can make each one with only 1 or 2 assemblers if you want to explore

[fair magnet]

i dont have any somersloops or power slugs

[paper isle]

i would be getting that a lot more often if i wasnt running on geforcenow

[fair magnet]

last time i did satisfactory like a year ago i had a massive power issue

so im being careful

[thorn bane]

i guess but like 32 gens isnt much either
thats like 480 coal 🤷

[fair magnet]

lol

first time ive made a semi good looking base

also is there like item frames

[thorn bane]

no but theres signs

[fair magnet]

how do i get it?

[thorn bane]

from the awesome shop

[fair magnet]

nvm its quarts

[tidal gale]

I build a decent stock up on all types of parts over time, and when I'm ready to make elevator parts I just make a tiny factory that I'll destroy afterwards.

[thorn bane]

not really a fan of that
automating is fun and "box craft" kinda defeats the purpose of the game and is less fun imo

theres a reason the wont allow you to handcraft them

[tidal gale]

I automate everything else, but I don't really want to spend time making a pretty factory that I don't need to use a second later.

And sure, it might take 4 hours to craft the elevator parts with a quick-and-dirty setup, but, most of my play sessions are longer than that ^^

[thorn bane]

well you still use it for the next phase
all parts are reused in the enxt step

idk its a bit of "optimize the fun away" imo because ye it might be faster but just less fun

[tidal gale]

Yeah but... my Phase 1 quick-and-dirty factory made like, 50 smart plates in a few hours using literally all the iron parts I had stocked up.

[thorn bane]

think of the dopamine youd get from finishing a smart plating factory 🙃

[tidal gale]

🤷 I find the elevator parts the least fun part of the game because they are long term goals with no immediate rewards. I get zero dopamine from them.

So I adapted my play style to not spend energy on them.

[dusty hill]

I need to start doing them as soon as I'm able to, I always finish the tiers before I even start on them, then have to find something to occupy my time while waiting

[thorn bane]

can do some mam stuff while waiting

i usually set up caaterium of quartz while waiting

[tidal gale]

^ I definitely went a bit overboard on this during Phase 3. I ended up doing everything in the MAM.

[dusty hill]

that's usually what I do

[gusty pine]

im so lost how do i research these?

[tidal gale]

But also, it pushed me to explore parts of the map I would have not dared explore otherwise ^^
||When to the swamp for hard drives. Left before I could be spotted by an Elite Stinger 😫.||

[thorn bane]

open mam -> goto quartz tree -> research silica
build awesome shop (optionally get tickets) buy the "FICSIT Roofs"

[gusty pine]

ooh tysm

[sturdy flower]

How do you guys transport items from across the map? I have drones unlocked, is that the best option assuming I can fuel it?

[viral sparrow]

trains for high throughput, drones for low throughput

[vapid gorge]

trains best trait is that when you make the infrastructure , (which is a fair bit) you can reuse the main lines for other systems you can make branches to

drone's power is being able to do poitn to point transport that you may not need to ever use again

and as for drones throughput, if you need to move lots of stuff, you can always add more 🙂

[sturdy flower]

cuz i need to go from all the way on the left, and all the way to the right 😂 so idk which is better

[vapid gorge]

do you think you'll be having other factories needing things between the two points?

like even vaguely solid plans for some?

[sturdy flower]

uhh, we have basically everything except aluminum in one spot and i'm not sure if I will be making more spots, my biggest priority is to transport plastic, rubber and I suppose upgrade fuel to batteries? for my drones and i dont know what we need until we get there tbh

[vapid gorge]

drone it. Real simple to set up and they'll take almost any fuel type

there's some terrible elvation changes between the two and unless you do sky infrastructure, which I'm firmly against, it'll be a challenge.

now if you think setting up a cool train line between the two would be a fun challenge? do that

[sturdy flower]

and batteries take 1/3 of the turbofuel cost it looks like

[vapid gorge]

up to you, hard to compare batteries to TF. I find it much easier to make TF for drones and just let it consume more

oh and a benefit of doing nuclear power later, turn uranium waste to plutonium rods.

each P rod is worth like 250 batteries pm

whole fleets of drones off them

[sturdy flower]

bet

so i need a whole packing system making turbofuel / batteries to fuel a couple drone ports

easy

[vapid gorge]

you only need to fuel 1 end of transport

and you can just drone in the fuel 😛

[sturdy flower]

yea

but multiple drone ports per site so i can have more than 780/min

[vapid gorge]

once the fuel drop off point is full, the fuel drone won't go back to fetch more until it can unload fully

[vapid gorge]

depending on teh stack size of the item and distance you might be able to get away with 2 drones, 1 port

but if you find you're not getting enough throughput with that it's very easy to expand the system

almost brainless

the other positive of drones. Just plug and play

[quaint valley]

which recipe is more efficient? encased industrial pipes or incased industrial beams?

just curious

[oblique hollow]

Efficient with what

Encased pipe uses less steel

[quaint valley]

like which one is more efficient

k

[oblique hollow]

When you ask about efficiency, specify which exactly
power? space? steel? concrete?

[quaint valley]

i dont care about power, also dont care about space

[unique cypress]

Less concrete too

[quaint valley]

cool then i'll do pipes

[unique cypress]

Plus you can make it without steel at all with iron pipe

[oblique hollow]

still odd that it just does that with concrete

8 instead of 5 concrete would have been justified for the reduced cost steel tbh

[unique cypress]

It's slower at least...

That's still more downsides than Heavy Encased Frame lol

[oblique hollow]

Heavy encased's only nerf is the ratios tbh

Not the efficiencies per se

But you can just clock it and boom its ok again

[unique cypress]

I don't care about having all of my machines at 100% uptime so it's just straight up better than default.

I recently found out that they've nerfed default HMF in 1.0

It's been a while since I laughed this hard

There was 0 reason to use that recipe in 0.8 and they made it even worse???

Absolutely hilarious

[oblique hollow]

Hmm... Flexible is actually cheapest in steel, isnt it?
Only problem is the oil and screws i guess

[wind spade]

if you count those as "problem"

screws are super easy, 3 steel screw constructors feed 2 HFF manus

(or you clock them to 150% for nice 1:1)

[oblique hollow]

Well screws arent really a problem

Flexible is made for steel screw after all

But that would increase steel cost

Though still cheaper than encased

[wind spade]

yeah, it saves a lot. And 20 rubber is like 7 oil

[oblique hollow]

112.5/min crude with default rubber.

But the HOR can be used to make coke steel

300/min Coke steel ingots even

So like actually a decent combo

If you use poly resin alt or HOR or both you use even less oil

For rubber specifically poly resin alt is not the worst choice

better than default, worse than recycled

And still a very decent coke steel ingot output

[somber sedge]

is there a lore reason why uranium power is so bad

[oblique hollow]

Compared to what.
Rocket Fuel?

[somber sedge]

yes

[oblique hollow]

Rocket came later
Very much overtuned

Nuclear still saves more sulfur

But its annoying to deal with and rocket is just terribly simple to make

[somber sedge]

much less logiscitcs and the same amount of powe

[oblique hollow]

Blame Rocket for being so good and simple

[somber sedge]

rocket logistics vs uranium logistics for the same amount of power

[oblique hollow]

Though you'll never catch me making 144 fuel generators

[somber sedge]

btw i was minmaxing this uranium setup to only use iron, water, SAM and uranium

[somber sedge]

blueprint it ez

[oblique hollow]

Still no thank you

[somber sedge]

to each his own

[oblique hollow]

Yeah well thats what you get for minmaxing all the recipe paths

It picks all the alts that make it more complex

And also the rocket fuel one you shares ommited the rest of the inputs
You didn't show the rest of the paths there

[vapid gorge]

I'm sorry, how is this 'bad'?

[somber sedge]

becuz the rest are raw materials

[somber sedge]

so much effort for so little power. thats why it is subjectively bad to me

[oblique hollow]

You used ore conversion to turn iron to sulfur to copper in the nuke example

[somber sedge]

yes

[vapid gorge]

?? it's 10x the power per gen and the base recipes are extremely simple.

plus you don't have fields of hideous gens

[oblique hollow]

And no ore conversion for rocket fuel?

Uneven comparison

Like i know the two are already very uneven to compare

[somber sedge]

fair criticism

[unique cypress]

Both uranium rod recipes take ECRs. Even making just them is more steps than nitro rocket.

[unique cypress]

Just swap ore conversion for miners 🤷‍♂️

Same number of nodes in the graph

[somber sedge]

not really

more accurate comparision!

[oblique hollow]

In principle yes.
In practice though it is less complexity production wise

That is funny actually

[somber sedge]

imo they should buff nuclear

[oblique hollow]

Nuke is more complex but costs less it seems

At least if you reduce everything to iron xd

[somber sedge]

fair

wait