math-and-meta

[unique cypress]

both screwless alts for RIPs are good. it just depends whether you want to use oil or more iron on them

iron-only RIPs cost 4.7 iron each, with oil they cost as low as 0.8, but also 0.4 oil

if I have oil products in the factory, I'd probably go with adhered, but I wouldn't gather oil specifically for it

[carmine iron]

Yes ficsonium

50.4 uranium rod, 22,4 plutonium rod et 113 ficsonium rod

And around 30 alien power matrix

[unique cypress]

do you have anything else in that world lol

that's basically all SAM, all Sloops, most bauxite...

[wooden jasper]

I have adhered iron plates AND the rubber RIP in the same factory

It has the capacity for 2400 RIP/min, I just haven't built all the machines yet because it's 768 assemblers 😵‍💫

[unique cypress]

OC all of them?

[wooden jasper]

I can't yet, not enough shards

I have about 400 shards collected

I would need 768 to half the number of machines

[unique cypress]

why are you making 2400 RIPs/min before T9 lol

[wooden jasper]

Plus the power grid would hate me

[wooden jasper]

To make mod frames and other stuff idk

[unique cypress]

It's only 34% more power consumption @250%

[wooden jasper]

It's like right in the middle of northern forest, so the shipping potential is crazy

Lots of good nodes in the area

I'm also trying to establish some oil/sulfur/coal factories in the southeast rn because I need to set up some of the tier 7/8 parts (I only have supercomps and radio controllers)

I also need to unlock more of the alts for those as well.. 😵

[unique cypress]

Make sure you use satisfactory tools or another good calculator to check out the recipes. There are some traps in there 🙃

[vapid gorge]

not a terrible option, especially if you're using oil for something else nearby, like coke steel, or coated plates. But adhered plate, imo, takes a fair bit of oil to get the job done if you're doing it in serious volumes

and it's a lot of refineries to do the rubber in the recycled loop

coke steel , Steel screw, coated iron plate, bolted frame/plate is a convenient and compact combo. You can sushi belt the steel beams and make hte screws right before hand.

[main junco]

ive kinda hit a mental block... i have just unlocked nuclear but i do not know what to do in preparation. i have not started a turbomotor/cooling device/radio control unit factory yet but i dont really know what to do first, where to put it, what alternates to use, and how much to make. anyone got any pointers?

[vapid gorge]

well turbo/cooling is a very dif project to nuclear, which would you like to do first?

[main junco]

well nuclear sounds like it would tickle my dopamine receptors the best so lets roll with that

[vapid gorge]

ok, is this your first time getting this far in the game?

[main junco]

correct

[vapid gorge]

ok so processing nuclear waste is a bit of a time, so how do you feel about just storing it? you can quickly use blueprints to make a storage system in the middle of nowhere that will last like 10,000 hrs?

[main junco]

works for me

[vapid gorge]

do you ever use satisfactory tools?

[main junco]

yeah for the map and all, i use the steam production planner

[vapid gorge]

that's calculator 🙂

[vapid gorge]

this is tools https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=ZX7usCGTI9kO4PMEptt8

this will get you 262GW of power

[main junco]

wheres a good spot for it because most all of my infrastructure is along the east coast and blue crater. i have a rail line running through the northern section of the map to west coast but thats abt it

[vapid gorge]

Well that will depend if you go with this chain of recipes.

this is using only base recipes, no alts. You can extend the uranium for power power if you want

but I'd use SCIM to cout out the map for the nodes. Assume you'll have to drone in sulfur and the uranium

[main junco]

gonna guess its wise to start building batteries and drones? 😂

[vapid gorge]

you can use almost any fuel for drones 🙂

Even uranium rods

[unique cypress]

You'll have to plan what to do with the waste. This is over 1k/min - it'll fill up an industrial container in under 23 minutes - you'll need 260 to last 100 hours

You can also turn it all into Plutonium rods, which can be burned for more power and less waste or sunk for no more power and no more waste

[main junco]

i have not unlocked particle enrichment yet so ill just "drastically" scale down the production

[vapid gorge]

thats why I suggested store. You can store even max uranium rod waste pretty easily

[main junco]

would the logical way to get rid of that be to set up plutonium than shut down uranium temporarily so all of the waste gets depleted? (and sink the plutonium ofc)

[vapid gorge]

you could? but hte map is huge, you could just keep storign it for ever, and IF you ever want to make plutonium rods, just make enough to use what is made pm

lots of options 🙂

[unique cypress]

Theoretical max URod waste is like 10-15 mk6 belts of it

3-4k containers to last 100h

I don't think anyone's hitting the theoretical max, but like a third of it is reasonable

That's still 15 containers/h

I wouldn't call that "easy to store"

Plutonium is much easier to store, because it's anywhere from 1/20th to a quarter of the uranium waste, depending on recipes used

[old hearth]

is this with bauxite uranium?

[vapid gorge]

and likely having to make more sulfur and possibly other things. Its what I call the 'stupid' limit. Because essentially no one is going to build that

the Reasonable Limit is 50.4 rods pm with 2520 waste pm. Which you can store pretty easily with BPs these days. Even before hand.

@steel mantle 1 splitter will split that if you have a fast enough belt

also you're better off asking questions that need an image in here or other appropriate channels

[steel mantle]

i meant to put it here i dont know how i didnt notice i put it in the wrong channel

[vapid gorge]

but yeah if you have a fast enough belt for 210 items? just 1 splitter and it'll self balance

the main other way is to clock the producers so you have 2 groups that make those 2 numbers of parts pm

and you just have 2 belts

[steel mantle]

alr thanks

[unborn dome]

Can someone confirm my math? If I make 1.5 plutonium fuel rods/min, that's 15 un-overclocked reactors, which makes 15 plutonium waste/min?

[old hearth]

Yerp

[unborn dome]

That seems like a lot, and I'm second-guessing me-in-January when I originally wrote down the 4 uranium fuel rods -> 1.5 plutonium fuel rods numbers...

As in maybe I don't need that much of either

[old hearth]

I'll let you know that is very little

Most people make 50.4 uranium rods per minute

And 22.5 plutonium

[unborn dome]

I don't tend to do mega builds. I'm only at like 14 GW production right now, almost done tier 8.

[old hearth]

You can process plutonium waste in tier 9

[unborn dome]

Up until now I've been running off eight max-overclocked fuel gens on regular fuel, geothermal, and my original coal plant.

[vapid gorge]

I think it's common to do 50.4, a lot of people are attracted it it, not sure about most

as for p rods? I think those that do probalby do about 12pm and sink or use them as vehicles

[old hearth]

Also one machine in tier 9 consumes between 0 and 2gw

[vapid gorge]

not many people do ficsonium and there's no real point to stretch out hte prods

[unborn dome]

Yeah that's why I'm looking at nuclear now

[old hearth]

I thought you meant 14 gw after nuclear

Yeah you should be good

[unborn dome]

Yeah so I'm not looking to make a field of reactors, just enough get through tier 9

[old hearth]

Yeah your maths works

And at such small scale ficsonium is reasonable

[unborn dome]

I had planned to, just to not have waste, but wasn't sure if I'd just sink the plutonium fuel in the interim rather than having to process a backlog

This is my current graph, aside from that my "cube factory" is down atm because I'm reconfiguring it to support FMF+pressure cube

[old hearth]

If u overclock ur nuclear gens u only need like 8

[unborn dome]

(End of tier 8, no particle accelerators yet, but basically everything else in this phase aside from nuclear and full automation of FMF/pressure cube/turbomotors)

[old hearth]

Then you can section off the water extractors so you don't produce all the waste

All at once

[unborn dome]

OH I wonder if this is what my thinking was when I accounted for 20 reactors worth of fuel

[old hearth]

Then increase as you need more power

[old hearth]

Yeah

At such small scale you don't need to oc

[unborn dome]

I'd do it anyway lol, 8+6 reactors sounds a lot nicer than 20+15

(Plus whatever the resulting eventual ficsonium fuel needs)

[old hearth]

7.5 if you don't overclock

3 if you do

[unborn dome]

That's also pretty reasonable at my scale

If I still need more after all that, power augmenters could help. I've only built one so far.

[old hearth]

though it will use 1.5 pasta per minute

[old hearth]

if you gross at least 60 gw you can use power matrixes to get even more

i think

[unborn dome]

The plan is like 20 singularity cells/min, partly for ficsonium and partly for portals, but I haven't decided on a final number for that yet.

[old hearth]

i think 60 gw is net even

[old hearth]

how many for bwd

[unborn dome]

So ideally it only makes sense at like 70+ GW

[old hearth]

yerp

[unborn dome]

I haven't been automating project assembly, just hand-feeding

[old hearth]

or in my case 1.34 tw ish

whcih goes up to 3tw

[unborn dome]

Like hand-feeding a small number of machines that make the higher-tier stuff, that is. Just load up some crates with whatever

[old hearth]

yeah i get u

in which case how many portal do u want

[unborn dome]

That's the question haha, not a ton, but 5 seems reasonable.

I'd originally planned on fully-automating project assembly eventually, but just looking at the Satisfactory Calculator diagram, it looks so annoying to get all the right materials to one place.

Even with drones

And since you only need a finite number of each item, it didn't seem worth the time and effort building a huge factory just for everything to end up in the sink after a while.

[old hearth]

with drones i make a place the has drones and fuel, then the drones send fuel wherever

[old hearth]

that woulod be 25 sing cells per min

15 for ficsonium

[unborn dome]

That's what I've been doing in general. There's a battery factory in the red forest, and every other major factory has a droneport with a drone parked there dedicated to fetching batteries for the other droneports at that factory.

[old hearth]

yeah with that it honestly makes drones super easy

[unborn dome]

My save has gotten so big despite not doing mega builds that the Satisfactory Calculator map is lagging out my browser when I have the save loaded...

[unborn dome]

3.5 pastas/min, even with Copper Alloy Ingot, is 42 foundries and 2100 copper ore and iron ore per minute 😳

(Is there a different alt I should be using in this situation?)

[daring owl]

Pure copper

[unborn dome]

Less copper ore, but 96 refineries?? 😳😳😳

I might just sloop the pasta...

[daring owl]

Use overclock

What can i do whif that

[fallow siren]

the problem with pure copper isnt the refinery nor water, its the intake of copper itself

fully overclocked pure copper only took 37.5/min while alloy copper took 125/min in a single 250% machine

[unborn dome]

I'm planning to build 17 nuclear plants total, with ficsonium 😅

(17 at 250%)

[daring owl]

I have 244 at 250%

[unborn dome]

That's a lotta power

[daring owl]

The issue is that i have 1,000,00 power availeble and do not know whsg to do whif it

[unborn dome]

It was the journey, I guess lol

[daring owl]

Yep

[unborn dome]

How many fuel rods is that per minute?

[daring owl]

22,5 plutonium and 250 ficsonium

I have infi ite somersloop

[tepid kettle]

Make nuclear pasta with 250% overclock and sloops

That takes 20gw at the max

[dense solstice]

So in your guys's professional opinion, I need about 17k water a minute for my entire nuclear plant production line, I'm gonna be using trains to get it from the ocean and have those trains headed to the red forest in the middle of the map, so do I A. Use fluid carts or B. Transport it as packaged water.

[modest zealot]

Transport as packaged water. You can make the containers from copper and iron

[kindred carbon]

Go to the dune desert

There are 3 pure copper nodes close by right next to pure iron nodes
There are also like 6 normal cooper nodes all close to pure iron nodes

Make a blueprint that takes 600 iron and copper (overclock to 150%) and you’ll get a full Mk6 belt of copper

This goes into 2 constructors overlooked to 200% making 200/min copper powder

It literally takes like 2 hours and you can get 2k copper powder from this

If you want to sloop something, then sloop the constructors unless you have a lot of available power

Slooping the constructors is more soommersloop efficient btw

And you can use drones for transporting the copper powder

[kindred carbon]

… if there was any way you could make water transport hard you would go with trains lol

Where do you plan to place your nuclear power plant

[dense solstice]

Red bamboo fields/ red jungle

[fallow siren]

what about water?

you need lots of them

[dense solstice]

About 17k a minute xd

[fallow siren]

youre building in the middle of the map where water is the most scarce

not really a good approach when building nuclear

[kindred carbon]

Why would you build so far in land??

[hard meadow]

You can build the fuel anywhere and then transport them to power plants near the shore

[dense solstice]

Think it'd be cool🤷‍♂️

[kindred carbon]

For nuclear you’ll need a lot of resources so it’s impractical to build it so far away

[deft lichen]

there's plenty of water in the middle of the map but still an unusual location

the border oceans are ideal for keeping the radiation away too

[kindred carbon]

Most of the water is fake water that you can’t place extractors on

The only a available large source of water is the lake in the middle which I doubt is enough for 17k or 56 extractors

This is a pretty good spot to get water from @dense solstice

Make blueprints for the water pipes and use autoconnect

And a blueprint for the water pumps

[dense solstice]

Yeah I can do that👍

It might not be the optimal buildplace, I admit, but I think I can it look cool so y'know, I'll make it work

[kindred carbon]

Yea that’s up to you but we are just trying to help you as much as we can

[dense solstice]

Oh yeah absolutely, and I very much so appreciate it

[buoyant mortar]

yo I'm curious, would a manifold still work if either the miner/output puts out more than the belt could handle or if the input took in more items than the belt could handle?

or would I need to load balance my manifolds?

like I am reading the early game numbers and I ain't seeing much room for scale with only 2 miners/smelters per mk1 belt

maybe the math ain't right on my end, but if 2 miners = 60 per min (on impure), the belts can only handle 60 per min, and 2 smelters can only handle 60 per min, then a single manifold line can only hold 2 smelters and 2 miners right?

putting 3 miners and 3 smelters on the belt just doesn't make sense to me

[vapid gorge]

load balancing does not increase belt throughput

you need only 2 things for a manifold to work

1. enough parts per min for hte system
2. a belt that can handle it

[kindred carbon]

If the miner’s speed is higher than belt speed then the manifold will be bottlenecked by the belt speed

[buoyant mortar]

gotcha

[crimson moat]

manifolds only really reduce building amount / complexity when dealing with more than 6 inputs/outputs

[kindred carbon]

It’s like trying to push a football through a small hole

[crimson moat]

they have much more application on 480-1200 belts

[vapid gorge]

in general, for most of your game, your miners will be limited by belt speed. And you probably want to avoid merging miners because of that

you can also over clock your miners to output more

[crimson moat]

if you have 2 or 3 machines you just put 1 splitter for 1:2 or 1:3.

If you have 4-6, there's only 1 more building needed to evenly feed

if you have 15 or 20, that's when it doesn't scale well.

[buoyant mortar]

but so basically, I am right in my calculations and I ain't going insane

[vapid gorge]

well yeah. You're in the pre tuturial, don't expect huge factories

[kindred carbon]

Only a 120 belt can handle 2 60/min miners

[crimson moat]

Yeah keep 1 belt per miner as a general rule. You can sometimes break that on lower quality nodes.

[kindred carbon]

But if the smelters consume 60 and the miner makes 60 then just connect then straight up

[buoyant mortar]

gotcha, I just wanted to make sure cause I wanna make everything nice and tidy rn so I don't end up in a mess later on

[kindred carbon]

Don’t be afraid to be messy

You’ll abandon that base in due time

Just learn the game mechanics

[vapid gorge]

it doesn't sound like you've unlocked coal yet, it'll be a mess

[buoyant mortar]

eh ig, I just really like having everything in something easy on the eyes

[vapid gorge]

@cinder sonnet

[buoyant mortar]

I think I'm close or a day away from it

[cinder sonnet]

yes

[vapid gorge]

ok so trains when they load/unload lock belt output

this means you can never move 2 belts on a platform. Ever

and in general you'll probably only be able to move 1 belt per platform, maybe less

to make up for belts pausing for 27 seconds every time the train stops, you need to use buffers

[cinder sonnet]

eh you mean I need two docking stations if I want coal and sulfur unloaded at some station?

[vapid gorge]

no this is about total throughput.

do you understand that when the train pauses a belt you can't have 2 full belt's of throughput on a platform?

[buoyant mortar]

true but the reason I went down the rabbit hole of organisation is because I deleted like 99% of my base in pursuit of organisation

[cinder sonnet]

oh yeah I'm not even at that point of efficiency, the train unloads coal and sulfur, then at some point the assemblers will choke on having too much coal and sulfur can't go out

[vapid gorge]

are you not using this coal and sulfur for power?

[cinder sonnet]

no for turbo fuel

[vapid gorge]

but not for power production?

[cinder sonnet]

not at this factory but at another one yea

[vapid gorge]

is it also using trains for delivery?

[cinder sonnet]

no no all my power plants are self sufficient, I build coal plants near coal, fuel plants near oil

trains only move stuff used for manufacture

[vapid gorge]

ok well this is to properly use trains. Good for the future.

1 belt into an ISC (double storage) 2 belts to the platform

then the reverse on delivery

[vapid gorge]

in your case you need more

after the delivery buffer you need a smart splitter

one side going to a buffer for coal, one for sulfur, and one set to overflow to a sink so it doesn't get clogged

doing mixed belts and deliveries is possible but you need to take some measures for it

[cinder sonnet]

ok yea so need to have containers between the station and the factory I see thx

makes sense

[vapid gorge]

plus the extra sorter, storage and sink on your end for delivery in this case

[cinder sonnet]

yea

sorter before container

[vapid gorge]

the buffers in the image are there to help catch up after the lock out

[buoyant mortar]

yo so when calculating for maximum size that each line will have in my factory do I just look into how fast my belts are?

[cinder sonnet]

I'm gonna implement that right now. I build turbo fuel to fight stingers, I've read it's the best fuel for combat, but not the best overall

[unique cypress]

Nah, when you have 4 machines, a manifold can be 2 splitters if you start from the second machine, and 3 if you start from the 1st. While a 1:4 balancer is 3 and has to be fed from the middle, or be larger than a manifold.

And a 1:5 balancer is a nightmare, bigger than a 1:6, which is itself probably bigger than a 6 long manifold.

With 2 machines, there's no difference, and with 3, a balancer is probably easier than a manifold, though the difference is insignificant

[vapid gorge]

you just have to make sure any system you're trying to run doesn't need more than 1 belt.

otherwise you'll need to break it into more systems

[unique cypress]

Divide belt speed by machine consumption/production, round it down, and that's how many machines you can connect to 1 belt without overloading it

[buoyant mortar]

a system I assume is defined by the start of a production line (raw resource) to end of production line (storage)

[vapid gorge]

at least a step of it

[buoyant mortar]

and what I don't want to do is have parallel belts next to eachother with the same resource trying to feed the same machines

[vapid gorge]

I'm not sure what you mean with that. Machines only have so many inputs

[unique cypress]

Not sure how to answer the question...

The exact same machines, no not really. Not sure how you'd even do that
Machines making the same thing, sure, why not? If you need that much of something

[vapid gorge]

and only some manufacturer recipes don't use all 4 slots

you basically always want 1 input go to one slot

[buoyant mortar]

eh, idk I am just trying to digest info and ya said I don't want more than one belt

[unique cypress]

I don't think anyone said that

[vapid gorge]

I mean if you need to move 200 iron ingots and you only have mk1 belts, you'll want at least 4 belts

up to you how yhou group them up

[buoyant mortar]

gotcha

[vapid gorge]

so if those 200 ingots are going to make Iron Plates , you'll probably want 4 groups of machines making plates

[buoyant mortar]

gotcha gotcha

[vapid gorge]

now.. there is such a thing as an injection manifold

[crimson moat]

It doesn't have to be a perfectly even split to be better than a manifold though. If you can't clock 5 into 4 or 6, then feeding 1/3'rd forward and 1/3'rd left/right will get the job done better than a manifold with three splitters.

[vapid gorge]

essentially injecting a new belt of material at a certain point along a very long manifold

there's no real benefit to it, it's basically just multiple manifolds all linked up

they usually take up more belt work and if you're not careful it just has more failure points

Personally I think they are very stupid, but, again, nothing technically wrong with doing it that way

[crimson moat]

injection manifolds can be the simplest way to pool all of the excess material together and forward it on somewhere, especially if material needs are dynamic

[buoyant mortar]

like limestone?

oh wait nvm

[vapid gorge]

if you want to over flow items from belts you can just use a smart splitter before the manifold to over flow it

much simpler in layout too

although the simplest way to manage item nubmers on a belt is to clock your machiens to place and use the items on a belt you need

@buoyant mortar clocking machines is your single most versatile tool for logistics management.

it'll save you tons of grief with planning out your machines

[buoyant mortar]

will I regret it if I turn all my iron and copper immediately into their ingot forms later on?

[unique cypress]

Injection manifolds require probably the most math of all item distribution methods. And you end up with long-ass manifolds.

My personal choice is obviously a belt balancer, because it doesn't require any more math than a single belt - I just make sure I'm not overloading any of them and it works

Clocking requires calculating the clocks speeds on top of making sure not to overload belts so it's more work than a balancer

[vapid gorge]

well there are other recipes and methods of doing it, but there's so many resources in the world you won't run out

also , if you're not going ot use the ingots for anything right now, why make them?

storing ingots is pretty useless

[buoyant mortar]

hmm, good point

well I mean using my deposits directly for manufacturing

[vapid gorge]

ah well you shouldn't worry about that then, make what yo ucan now, learn the game

[buoyant mortar]

eh alright

[vapid gorge]

if you like sandboxs? treat tiers 1-9 like a long tutorial

[buoyant mortar]

God screws are so annoying to me, their crafting tree perfectly fits into the 15s/30s/60s but once crafted I can't just store em in one storage container without overloading

[crimson moat]

screws are just there to teach you that they shouldn't be stored or merged together on belts

if you need screws to do something, you just put a screw constructor right next to the thing, and belt from screw constructor to assembler with a tiny belt.

[buoyant mortar]

2 storage containers for one item?

[vapid gorge]

screws aren't used for building anything so no real reason to store them

[buoyant mortar]

hold on I am just gonna check something

[crimson moat]

For most stuff i use at least two 48x containers

[unique cypress]

Good news! After getting to steel, you'll be able to stop making screws entirely if you get the right recipes

[buoyant mortar]

I'm happy again after realising I can just diverge one of my 2 screw lines to make reinforced plates

[buoyant mortar]

interesting

honestly, I'm a bit hyped for tomorrow, got a few plans in my head for my factory

[vapid gorge]

have you built coal power yet?

[buoyant mortar]

nope, I deleted nearly my entire factory to focus on making it look nice

[vapid gorge]

oh my...

just burn your way to coal power. It changes everything and you'll want to probably rip everything up anyway

[buoyant mortar]

got around 80 years left to play this game, I'm sure a day's worth of time lost ain't that much of a deal

[vapid gorge]

well before coal power it's basically the pre tutorial. And making things look nice early on takes a long time. Up to you ofc

[unborn dome]

Plus a ton of the looking-nice stuff is in the AWESOME shop and isn't available by default

[silent patrol]

so ive made this for my base but its kind of a mess (not on about layout) and was wondering how i could make it any better like for instance i doubt i need 800 rebar per minute

my head hurts is what im saying

[unborn dome]

I would say 5 rebar per minute is too much

[vapid gorge]

then don't set rebars to 800pm?

modeler is a visual mess , worst thing to share to try to get help with

[silent patrol]

i said the layout isnt the problem and the rebar was just an example

you can still see whats being made

[vapid gorge]

yeah but there's no lables nothing to say what recipes are being used, what could be combined or streamlined

and maybe the layout isn't a problem for what you want to build, but it's sa nightmare to look at if you didn't build the modeler yourself

[silent patrol]

im more asking am i making stuff that isnt worth making

[vapid gorge]

yes and it's awful to parse

it's a lot of work to break down what is going on

[silent patrol]

im redoing it

[oblique hollow]

Im questioning the packaged sulfuric acid

If you could drink it i would understand but thats not a game feature (yet)

[vapid gorge]

I recommend satisfactory tools. Extremely legible

[silent patrol]

its more for later projects

[silent patrol]

used to use it but modeler is just better

[oblique hollow]

Ok but its not like you need to make sulfuric acid in advance.
Its easy to make once needed

Or do you already have a plan for it?

[vapid gorge]

look I'm not spending whatever time breaking down a modeler image no matter how it's laid out. The UI is attrocious and takes 10x as long ot understand anything on it. Maybe someone else will

[silent patrol]

im building my main base so i want it in its spot its going to be

[silent patrol]

if you arent going to be helpful dont try and help

[oblique hollow]

As for your original question: you are overproducing a lot of parts for storage

400 wire per minute... 200 cable per minute.
Very VERY ambitious numbers

Unrealistically high

[silent patrol]

thats what im trying to get out of the habit of but its hard figuring out what needs to be storaged and how much and what needs to be sent of to be made into other stuff

[oblique hollow]

I would advise you to produce those parts in the numbers that the machines make by default and then you just build 2 or 3 of those those at best

[unique cypress]

Make items only for storage. Problem solved

[oblique hollow]

Yeah thats the other part. don't mix production for storage with products that get processed later on

[wooden jasper]

usually I get one part of the factory started, then by the time I get the next part finished, I'll have so much produced already that those items are good enough for building, crafting, etc.

[oblique hollow]

Also i believe theres a lot of somersloops used here too?

[wooden jasper]

like I have maybe 100k concrete but also all of my concrete factories currently use all the conrete they make

[oblique hollow]

And for parts where its absolutely unnecessary

[wooden jasper]

but when I set them up they were running with no output for a long time until the next part got made

[silent patrol]

i spawn stupid amounts in i know people may not like that but thats how i play the game

[oblique hollow]

Ok but for these pitiful parts/numbers its not needed especially if you already overproduce these

[silent patrol]

i dont know what the threshold for overproducing is though

[oblique hollow]

you can use them but still reduce the number if parts you make

[oblique hollow]

Do you believe you will be able to use 200 wires every minute

[wooden jasper]

that's not a lot of wires

[silent patrol]

maybe? idk T-T

[oblique hollow]

And at that l, usually during the times where you DONT use these parts, they start to accumulate in storage

If you make 200/min and you wait only half an hour that's already 6000 wire stores up

[silent patrol]

but then how am i supposed to work out how much i need to put aside for building and how much i need for producing

[oblique hollow]

Again, having one or two machine make these parts at 100% clock rate is usually enough for most anything

[oblique hollow]

For storage, like i said, one or two machines is usually fine
For production its "whatever amount is needed to keep it going at 100% efficiency"

[silent patrol]

i guess i can make a producing factory and a storage factory

makes it easier to get my head around

[oblique hollow]

And the wiki has a list of all parts used for building stuff

Yeah keep em seperated

Cause otherwise you might run out of parts because your factory drained the storage

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:Building_materials

[silent patrol]

you've managed to wrap my head around this thanks

[oblique hollow]

These are all parts worth storing for personal use

[oblique hollow]

If you ever manage to run out of parts in one of your storages, you can do that thing you said you like doing and add somersloops to double the amount made

If thats still not enough, then its worth to consider a production upgrade /expansion

[silent patrol]

yeah with depots aswell i doubt ill run out

[crimson moat]

dont draw overlapping lines

biggest advantage of modeller, you dont have to have a spaghetti visualisation

[silent patrol]

how do you have straight lines?

[crimson moat]

the options in modeller

and yeah, McG is right about the quantities

[silent patrol]

nice thats easier to make look nicer

[crimson moat]

843 rebar per min - this is oversized by like 100x. If you think about actually spending them.. how exactly are you going to fire 14 rebars per second, every second, forever? 10 per min is probably plenty, and longterm you're likely to average under 1/min. That means that 1 constructor is fine, rather than 56.

[silent patrol]

repurposing it to make assembly redirector systems now

seems better to have a goal in mind

[wooden jasper]

is diluted fuel worth getting if I already have diluted packaged fuel unlocked? I think it might save some occasional jams or power maybe, but idk if wasting a potential reroll would be beneficial

my other option is crystal computer btw

[crimson moat]

It saves some complexity and machine count

[dusky dust]

The Blender version technically saves on power a bit, and I've found that its default-clock production rate tends to be slightly more useful than the packaged version (100/min as opposed to 60/min). But yeah, if you've already got a handy Packaged blueprint set up, then it's marginal gains at best. It's the same resource ratios

I guess the other advantage of the Blender version is that if you do want to change the clocking, it's a single building instead of three

[fallow siren]

making dpf loop as bp is also a choice

[dusky dust]

If you're making diluted fuel, you'll certainly never regret having the Blender version available. Once you've got it there's no real reason to use the Packaged version again.

[weary warren]

Hi all. I'm just finishing off phase 3. Right now I'm manually feeding items into machines to manufacture the SE parts. Does anyone have a good build guide for a SE parts factory that can feed from phase to phase?

[snow furnace]

@lyric belfry Example of recycled plastic/rubber loop

Supply fuel however you want. Make a blueprint with the refineries partially supplied and you just power it up and pipe in fuel and it will run forever

[wooden jasper]

what do?

[thorn bane]

super state

[wooden jasper]

I thought so

Oc supercomputer is so expensive to make

[thorn bane]

ye

[wooden jasper]

Needs a buff ong

[wind zinc]

what does O-N-G mean ?

[charred saffron]

"On god"

[wind zinc]

WTF

who created this

it doesnt even make sense

[wind zinc]

anyway, thanks for telling me

[brisk urchin]

u foreign?

[wind zinc]

nope, (well, kinda, english is my second language)
but the sentance "needs a buff on god" doesnt make any sense, change my mind

[brisk urchin]

he just forgot a ,

after buff

[wind zinc]

ahh

still dumb
but less dumb

[wooden jasper]

I could've said "on rizz" but that would probably be worse

[silent patrol]

ts pmo fr ong

[wind zinc]

what have i done ?

[lyric belfry]

see #screenshots. ihave an input of 1350 crude oil per minute.. and after using the residual plastic and rubber recipes etc. i have a net positive of 625 fuel? does that sound about right? im trying to make a recycled plastic/rubber loop... this is not looping yet.. just want to confirm, that I will now use these 625 fuel, that I have left to loop 50% of the recycled plastic and fuel into additional refineries? seems like i could add 13 refineries for rubber (clocked like the current ones to consume 25 plastic each) and 6 for plastic...

[tiny leaf]

oh oops sorry clicked the wrong channel

[wind spade]

Any that you like

[burnt folio]

using Satisfactory modeler, how would I make it so it prioritizes the packaging of left over fuel?

[unique cypress]

a priority splitter/merger/splurger

[burnt folio]

forgot it had that... sigh

[burnt folio]

splitter for some reason didn't want to work either, dunno why

did manage to figure it out in the end though

[burnt folio]

nvm am stupid, realized I litterally just needed 2 more priority splitters at the plastic/rubber...

[versed violet]

Color me confused. Just realized that
A) Rocket fuel compresses 2:1 when packaged (so my 60 fuel produced turns into 30 packed)
B) It uses fluid tanks instead of canisters, so I did not have to bother supplying the canisters in the first place...

[livid talon]

If I make an inline, connected, pipe-based with no buffers pump water tower, would it in theory pump all water in all connected pipes?

[vapid gorge]

what?

sketch what you mean

are you just talking about a simple manifold with 20 words too many?

[crimson moat]

In general yes, headlift can be shared infinitely. If you have 1000 water pipes you can technically just connect them together in parallel with 500 junctions and use 1 pump, instead of using 1000 pumps.

with a water tower though, unless you exploit valves you have to be careful that the water level doesn't drop.

[molten wren]

exploit valves?

[vapid gorge]

a valve set to zero still transmits headlift

which is dumb

because it's an exploit, but also because water pumps are effectively free

[molten wren]

huh interesting

[severe girder]

hand crafing 400 encased beams, each take 2 1/2 seconds. so.. 17mins :)

[unique cypress]

why?

just build 1 assembler, OC and sloop it, and handfeed it

[severe girder]

not unlocked

[glacial peak]

i feel like i am way over my head with the aluminum factory, not with the math but with the layout and pipework as i keep trying layouts for the refineries but i have no idea how to do it and lay out the pipes so everything flows correct
Eventually the goal is to use all 12k or so bauxite in the world but i cannot make it look tidy

i even tried doing it in chunks of 2000 but still no clue how i'd connect all the machines

i made a blueprint for it and laid out the 10 refineries but how do i connect all these outputs to the 14 refineries without sloshing, do i separate it in chunks of like 3 refineries foor every 4 scrap refineries (720/4=180 each refinery) or how

here is the blueprint i made earlier but not sure if i should change it to make it less of a headache

am i overcomplicating this in my head or is there a way to make this much tidier and straightforward

[vapid gorge]

Process them in chunks.

By node if possible

780 node with your recipes.

You can change the clocking to do 600 easily

Or change a bit and expand for a unit of 1200

[thorn bane]

ye reduce size from 2000 to 600

[glacial peak]

i tried processing them into chunks of 2000 bauxite per each chunk

but it's not much easier

[vapid gorge]

And that’s what is giving you the headache

[glacial peak]

hmm

[vapid gorge]

Again

[glacial peak]

much smaller chunks than i planned

[vapid gorge]

It’s still very compact as it’s oced

[glacial peak]

could i fit this in a blueprint

maybe but i dont have mk3 bp maker so i cant put 2 refineries lengthwise yet

[vapid gorge]

The image I shared does I think?

A 1200 version might need 2 bps

Well the 600 one does too. One for solution one for scrap

[glacial peak]

welp back to the drawing board i go

[vapid gorge]

But also, just in general, keep fluids in smaller , non linked chunks

100x more important with byproduct reintegration systems

[glacial peak]

it's kinda late so ill just conveyor the petroleum up the cliff in red bamboo forrest and then go to sleep

[glacial peak]

im trying to keep recycled water separate for that reason cause it's already enough of a headcahe lol

my brain go brr

[vapid gorge]

Oh yeah, like in my image , but merging feeds off multiple bauxite nodes like that is a mess

Not as bad as some of the systems ive seen people do though

[glacial peak]

well the plan is eventually to just have mk6 belts so i'd split it into 1200/min chunks with bauxite splitting

since all the nodes overclocked are 300, 600, 1200 so it's not hard to merge some together

[vapid gorge]

Yeah I think I ran the numbers and you could still do 1:1 solution to scrap like in that pic easily

[glacial peak]

probably i just need to re-do the refinery BPs

and make one for scrap that actually works

good news is i got the petroleum coke factory all done so that's one step done

[vapid gorge]

The clocking I did for that image if interested

[glacial peak]

thanks

this seems like an issue for morning me

at least my roommate is leaving tomorrow so ill have the place to myself for a week to just grow my factory non-stop

[vapid gorge]

With a 1200 group you can still keep the fresh refineries be a single unit too. 240 and 180 clocking. Which I nice

[glacial peak]

oh wait it's saturday, 2 days.

and then i have till next monday just to myself

this is my biggest factory and it's not even close lol

but at least with this ill have an excess of sheets for mk5 belts and also never have to worry about aluminum again. it'll help me when i scale up my other factories

[glacial peak]

wait are you overclocking those bottom 2 just for 5% power? i guess for me it would prob be 210 since id make it 1200 groups

well ill see tomorrow with a fresh mind

[vapid gorge]

Just to keep it 1:1 yeah

But you can compress it further for 1200 with only 1 more scrap and solution ref

[dusk star]

hi i am trying to just a converyor belt to something at a 90 degree angle and i saw someone hold down something and it auto created a turn how do i do this?

[vapid gorge]

Look at the build mode button

You use it for multiple objects types

[dusk star]

ty

[cyan cypress]

is it worth to skip to nitro, or is rocket fuel fine

[unique cypress]

Both are good

[old hearth]

Nitro if you value simplicity, reg if you value sulfur and it nitrogen

[quick gorge]

What is the most "weaved together" version of this I could make?

[ruby shoal]

These two lines of machines both need circuit boards, but one needs 80/min and the other needs 12/min.

I have another line of machines making 92 circuit boards/min. What's the best way to split these? Can I just make a regular splitter and split the line in half, so that the 12 line fills up first and overflows into the 80 line? Or is there a better way to do this?

[wind spade]

yeah, single splitter will work just fine

[ruby shoal]

Cool, thank you

[unborn dome]

Imagine if for nuclear power, we had to process water to heavy water in the blender...

That would be so many blenders

[oblique hollow]

Yes, time to make nuclear even more of a pain

For no added benefit

[thorn trail]

plus it makes zero sense, nuclear power doesn't use deuterium or tritium, just plain old water

[unborn dome]

What's the general "rule" for the generation breakeven point for using the upgrade item in the power augmenter to bring it up to 30%?

The wiki is kinda vague on the actual calculation

But it does say 60 MW generated is the minimum, is that accurate?

[fiery star]

If Satisfactory Tools needs a float number of assemblers/constructors is it better to build the number rounded up amount of assemblers or overclock the the number rounded down?

[wind spade]

both are practically equal, the only thing you do is use more or less power

[fiery star]

I do need Power Shards to overclock Constructors/Assemblers right?

[wind spade]

yeah

[glacial peak]

Kick-starting my factory after a power shutdown is pain

I had to get a geyser nearby to kickstart the oil extractors again

I'll put a fluid buffer next time to have less issues

[frosty owl]

I like to keep "old" powerplants as backup for the newer ones

[wind spade]

rather use priority power switches 😉

[glacial peak]

I already do but the system needed a something to kickstart it

Since it had no liquid

[wind spade]

shouldn't if you use them correctly

[glacial peak]

Well this factory was done like 50 hrs ago I need it to hold up for another couple hrs

Then I'll make the rocketfuel plant

[zealous sphinx]

Im somewhat new but I want this to be efficient
Im making a modular frame mini factory
My end goal is to make 5 assemblers crafting them
Right now I think I have everything figured out except how to link the advanced plates to the frame crafters
The problem being i have 3 advanced plate crafters making 15pm but 5 desired splits to make it perfectly effective with adv plates to mod frames is their a way to split 3 crafters dispensing 5
Into 5 lanes each with 3 ?

[wind spade]

use manifold

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[zealous sphinx]

Ah thanks I was overthinking it lol

[grand lichen]

I'm in early Phase 2 right now and I currently have 360 Iron and 120 Copper Ore, and a lot of flat land; would it be a good idea if I were to fold (almost) all of my Copper into Iron Ingot Alloy and turn it into Iron Wire? I also have Stitched Plates if that's helpful.

I'm thinking I could turn 30 Copper into Sheets and funnel the rest into Iron Alloy, would this be a reasonable course? Would like an opinion from people more versed in the alt recipes.

[wind spade]

generally I'd recommend planning from end product, not from ores

[quick gorge]

Is there a way to connect the 3 white circles (via the 4 dots on each one) to the 12 rectangles while
each line crossing the other two white circle's lines?
This is using 3 point symmetry

I can't think of a more mathy way to word this 😅

[radiant terrace]

this is my coal setup, but my generators keep shutting off. this is their settings, they have a stable water + coal flow so its not that

[brisk urchin]

it is definitly coal/water 😂

check every single one and find those wich keep shutting down, then just look if its a lack of water or coal

[unique cypress]

It literally cannot be anything other than coal or water

Judging by how the belts look, it's probably water

[radiant terrace]

all of them are 50/50 tho constantly

like im looking at them generating power, and its constantly 50/50

also weird thing is - they don't shut down often.
only once every few hours

[unique cypress]

Every single one? Because the graph suggests 2 of them turn on and off

[radiant terrace]

yeah every single one is 50/50 constantly, i can send video if needed just lmk

[unique cypress]

Which belt are you using?

[radiant terrace]

mk1

using mk1 for some reason, can upgrade to mp3

[unique cypress]

9*15=135

Mk1 can't handle that

[radiant terrace]

ill upgrade

[unique cypress]

The side belts can stay mk1

But the main one needs to be mk3 to the first splitter, and mk2 until the 5th, then mk1

Or just mk3 everything, doesn't matter

You also need to make sure you're mining at least 135 coal

[radiant terrace]

per min?

[unique cypress]

Yeah

Each coal gen consumes 15/min, you've got 9, so you need 135/min total

[radiant terrace]

alr

@unique cypress i mine 120 from 3 different miners

so total 360

so im good, i up[graded the belts so hopefully

[ripe shale]

i need a little help with power gen late game. i need to make about 50-60K GW for the next project on my fisrt playthrough. i have all reserch unlocked and im looking for a way to generate that without having to use reactors

as i said in story spoilers i thought id put it here too

this is still my first playthrough and im relatively new to the game as ive only been playing since april first so any advice would be awesome

[wind spade]

Not sure what is "50K GW"

If it's 50 GW, then taht's easily doable with diluted fuel

[ripe shale]

yeah that makes more sense. im assuming i have go out hard drive hunting for that alternative recipe

[wind spade]

I mean it's benefitial to get all the recipes anyway

[ripe shale]

do you have a rough estimate of how many hard drives needed to get all the recipes?

[kindred carbon]

Go to blue crater lake

[ripe shale]

what part of the map?

i dont know the names of places

[kindred carbon]

Drop down a heavy oil refinery
A diluted fuel blender
A nitro rocket fuel blender
Burn the fuel in fuel generators

[kindred carbon]

It’s the big lake in the south east of the map

[wind spade]

100ish afaik

[kindred carbon]

Also @ripe shale once you build the rocket fuel blenders dismantle the alien power augmenter and use the sloops for the rocket fuel blenders

Easiest 2x of power here

[ripe shale]

that gives me 30% extra power cuz i have it boosed with the "fuel" it uses. i cant remember the actuall name of it

would it be better to dismantle the whole set up to get the 10 sloops back?

[kindred carbon]

Well it would be a better use of sloops to sloop the rocket fuel blenders than to use an alien power augmenter

But you don’t have to do that if you have extra sloops laying around

[ripe shale]

i think i have like 20 left on the map that i havnt got yet so i can go hunting

[kindred carbon]

With rocket fuel you can easily get 200GW pretty quick

Do you have automated powershards?

[ripe shale]

yes

i have all these sloops yet to get so i can go get them all

[kindred carbon]

You won’t need them

Check if you have these recipes: diluted fuel , Heavy oil residue, Nitro rocket fuel

[ripe shale]

i have diluted fuel not the other 2

[kindred carbon]

@ripe shale https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

It’s good for 215GW

[kindred carbon]

Go for a hard drive hunt until you get them

[ripe shale]

215 would be awesome. way more than i'd need but i guess thats a good thing

[kindred carbon]

You should make some blueprints to make your life easier

[ripe shale]

yeah ill have to make a few. atm i only have a bluprint to make a 6x6 asphalt floor

as foundations

[kindred carbon]

You should raise the junctions for every input btw so you don’t run into issues with 600 pipes

[brittle talon]

I am trying to find out why the math does not line up and am hoping you can help! I am trying to find out why the second output line on a row of refineries is fluctuating / why the input line of ore is overflowing a little? I am using T5 belts.

I have a row of 22 refineries making pure iron ingots which are being fed by, and are feeding a manifold. I have 780 iron ore going into it. The first 12 refineries have one output line, the last 10 have another output line.

One refinery takes in 35 iron per mintue and makes 65 iron ingots. 780 iron ire / 35 iron ore = 22.28571428571429, which is how many refineries can be supported.

The last refinery has a slug in it and has been set to 122.28571% speed.

One output line says 780 ingots... the other says 650, though it fluctuates a bit up and down. Why is it fluctuating at all?

I have an overflow splitter which feeds this entire thing... and it overflows on average between like 70 and 85... but it should not overflow ANYTHING!

Why is the second output from the refineries fluctuating? Let alone by so much?

[ripe shale]

yeah thats easy enough i did that with my coal power set up 100 hours into my playthrough.

thanks for your help ill do what needs to be done then ill see if it all works in the end

[unique cypress]

Overflow splitter where?

[brittle talon]

At the end of the line I have an overflow splitter on each.

The 780 iron ingot line sends out a few.

I have one at the end of the "560" line, the smaller iron ingot line, which is getting nothing.

For SOME reason I cant figure out, in the second group of refineries (the group of 10), are not at 100%. They are backing up on the output....

But since the end of that line goes into a sink, why is it backing up?

It isnt connected to anything, I just feed it straight into a sink atm.

[unique cypress]

Then you have an issue with ingot transport or consumption, not production

[brittle talon]

It is, but it makes no sense to me. Making it simpler....

[unique cypress]

Look at the belts or the next machines in the chain

[brittle talon]

10 refineries in a row, outputting less than 780 iron ingots.... the first 2 are backing up, but I am using 780/tier 5 belts?

[unique cypress]

Where are they going?

Sink? Or something else?

Is it actually capable of consuming 650/min?

Or maybe you have a mk4 belt somewhere that you placed accidentally

[amber umbra]

You really need to post pics btw.

[brittle talon]

1 sec

[kindred carbon]

It should only really take a couple of hours to set up

[kindred carbon]

There is a nitrogen well right next to a sulfur node to the west, just zoop it over with a belt highway and the fowl is also right there

[brittle talon]

10 in a row, all at 100%, except for the last, which is at 122.28

The sink in the picture is after the third refinery.

It periodically lets out a few....

But it shouldnt, these are tier 5 belts?

[unique cypress]

Get rid of it?

Why do you even have an overflow splitter there?

[brittle talon]

I put an overflow there, because, for a reason I could not figure out, the 2 to the left of it were backing up on the output.

They were not at 100%.

[kindred carbon]

I’d just redo the belt work dude

You probably messed up somewhere

[unique cypress]

🤦

[brittle talon]

1 sec, i'll post a picture of the blueprint.

[unique cypress]

Me rn

[split sierra]

did you use mk2 belts for the output manifold?

10 pure iron refineris should to 650

[kindred carbon]

The math works out,
But to make it easier for yourself just over clock 6 refineries to 200% so that it outputs a full mk5 belt

[brittle talon]

I use mk5 belts for everything. I built the line using a blueprint of 4 refineries repeated over and over and auto linked together.

[kindred carbon]

No need to work with decimals when you don’t need to

[unique cypress]

Get rid of the fing smart splitter

[split sierra]

just manifold the whole thing to belt limitations

[brittle talon]

I'll post the blueprint in a sec, i'm out of motors, need more lol

[split sierra]

or 600 if you wanna play big brain

[kindred carbon]

Bro really rebuilt it multiple times and didn’t think of just overclocking it appropriately

[brittle talon]

I have plenty of power now (I recently set up rocket fuel plants), but tried not to be too wasteful on power. Should I shard the refineries and overclock? I didn't want to waste power....

[unique cypress]

It's because you have a normal merger right after it...

It can only accept half a belt when the other refiner spits out items

[kindred carbon]

Yea you should, it doesn’t really make a difference

[brittle talon]

A normal merger should be able to take up to 390 on each input on a tier 5 belt, right?

[unique cypress]

But even if you swapped it for a priority merger, the splitter is still useless

[brittle talon]

The splitter was in there temporarily as I tried to figure out the problem.

[unique cypress]

Then put it on the end of the manifold...

Why would you put it in the middle

[brittle talon]

Two angles of the blueprint I used to make the line.

[unique cypress]

780 going into the smart splitter, 390 able to go forward, 390 goes to overflow...

[brittle talon]

22 in total, so I just delete the last 2.

[brittle talon]

I did, but the first 2 refineries were backing up.

[kindred carbon]

Drop 2 of these blueprint down, delete the last 2, overclock one, wnd copy paste the settings

[unique cypress]

Did you give them time to empty out?

[brittle talon]

Yes.

[brittle talon]

....that is an interesting and possibly simple idea. Are you suggesting the problem is somehow related to the overclocking producing a fraction of an ingot, which in turn is backing up the outputs upstream?

Since it isn't a whole #?

[unique cypress]

Overclocking doesn't produce a fraction of an ingot. It still makes 13, just more often

Did you check your math and made sure you're actually producing 780 ingots/min?

[brittle talon]

I apologize, i'm confused. So why is that smart splitter EVER getting anything? 3 refineries are feeding it, total output is 196, but a tier 5 belt can do 780.

[kindred carbon]

No, the problem is that you’re unnecessarily making things complex by not overclocking to get nice numbers

[unique cypress]

Because the 2 at the end backing up would mean you're producing somewhere between 780 and 845

[brittle talon]

I am now feeding the entire line directly into a sink, which you can see (mini sink mod)

10 refineries is not making close to 780

It makes ~650s, it down and up a bit.

[unique cypress]

The average output is 195/min.

But it's 780/min a quarter of the time, and 0 the other 3/4 of the time

[brittle talon]

...I never thought about that. And that is important because this setup is the backbone of my factory.

How can I resolve that and still make mass refineries with blueprints?

[unique cypress]

The refineries output 13 ingots every 12 seconds. Which is pulled out at 780/min, which takes 1 second, and then nothing happens for the next 11

[amber umbra]

Just a btw, a big line of refineries doing say pure iron in a manifold producing 780/min doesn't actually have any issue due to the "bunched" output of the refineries. All you do is let it run a while. The sync'd outputs stutter until they all line up nicely to no longer create gaps.

[kindred carbon]

Overclocking obv

[amber umbra]

So pure recipe refinery stuff is just basic manifold, belt mechanics + waiting a bit.

[brittle talon]

I appreciate your help but want to understand the underlying reason. I'm confused. So the problem is those 3 refineries, when they output, are briefly going over the belt capacity and thus backing up? The problem is not them... the problem is... further "down" stream, what is really backing them up is the overclocked one?

[amber umbra]

But your setup is kinda a messy implementation compared to the maximum clean, neat designs. So can be tricky to do it correctly, troubleshoot.

[brittle talon]

How does overcocking fix this?

I think the solution is, remove the overclocked refinery and just built 1 more, underclocked?

[amber umbra]

Idk exactly what's up with your system. But if you implement the "basic" version of that manifold, recipe combo it definitely works fine.

[still smelt]

Is it possible to set up a vertical splitter that inputs from the side instead of the top/bottom?

[amber umbra]

@brittle talon Basic pure iron style refinery setup with 780 i/minute input requiring 2 belts of output due to >780 i/minute output. This is what I would consider a "basic" version of the manifold.

The way I set up manifolds is to hook everything up. Cut the output belt. Let it run until everything completely fills to the point of being fully idle. Reconnect the output belt. Wait a bit. Everything should work at 100% assuming you scaled it that way.

[brittle talon]

I have a system like that? It is built out of a blueprint of 4 in a row, linked together, here is an image:

[amber umbra]

Yea seems good. Just use that without any of the priority, smart splitter stuff. (see image posted)

[brittle talon]

I put in the smart splitter, because the first 2 are backing up.

I just was trying to diagnose it.

I put them in there, to find out the issue, I was not using them.

Without it, the first 2 back up.

[amber umbra]

Keep in mind the little "feeder belts" connecting the refineries to the main belt aren't useful to look at. All you want to be checking is the % stat on the refineries and the % stat on the miner.

"I set it up so miner and refineries should be running at 100%" -> checks those values "yes/no the percents match".

Anyway. Gl. gotta cook lunch.

No @ pls

[brittle talon]

That is actually what kicked this all off, I saw that the ore feeding in was not going at 100%.

Which it should, if my math on the # of ingots being made was correct. The ore line feeding this has a smart splitter overflow, which should be 0, but it goes up and down a bit.

....and now it is. Taking the shard out of the last refinery, building one more and overclocking it fixed the issue.

Thank you collectively for your help. The issue has been solved.

The problem was the last refinery in the line being overclocked, BRIEFLY backed up the flow of the machines behind it JUST a little, which then added up every cycle.

The ore overflow line feeding in, is now 0, so I know it all lines up.

[sage belfry]

Regarding overclocking, it means I get to build a lot less buildings and keep my sanity, but consumes more power. Are there ideal times when to overclock vs not, particularly when building say hundreds of smelters and constructors for late game

[kindred carbon]

I wouldn’t think twice about overclocking things like smelters and constructors

You should only be really concerned about overclocking very late game buildings with variable power consumption

250% overclocking consume 34% more power per item than a 100% overclock, so the trade off in space vs power is pretty obvious here

[thick plank]

Wasnt there an update that made it so your buildings no longer scale exponentially with overclocking?

Or did that only apply to some of the buildings?

[sage belfry]

But 2.5x less buildings is a lot of buildings in an 850+ constructor factory

[kindred carbon]

Yea I said that in favor of overclocking

[kindred carbon]

It scales exponentially still

[sage belfry]

Oh I misunderstood

[sage belfry]

wouldnt. I read would. I can see clearly now

[kindred carbon]

This is my turbo motors factory, without overclocking and vertical stacking it would have been easily 6x the space

[sage belfry]

Yeah, same for my rocket fuel power plants

[unique cypress]

power generators now scale linearly (for years now)
production machines' power consumption scales exponentially with clock speed

[thick plank]

Main issue is power shards, theyr still a limited resource (not conaidering doggos and endgame)

[thick plank]

Ah ok, knew there was some update in that direction

[sage belfry]

Synthetic power shards though? I’m making 10/min

And could easily do more

[thick plank]

Thats quantum stuff, so id say when youve reached that point you pretty much have finished the game already. So yeah, I guess with that in mind id take the 250%

[sage belfry]

Yay. Okay thanks haha

[kindred carbon]

There are still plenty of powershards in the game though

You wouldn’t run out if you’re not spamming like 1k fuel generators

[sage belfry]

Sure, something like 2.6k from slooped slugs?

[thick plank]

Ye, especially if you start going out into the map

[kindred carbon]

5k

[sage belfry]

Idk where I got 2.6 from

[unique cypress]

if you collect and sloop all slugs, it's about 5k shards

[thick plank]

Slooped slugs? Damn guess I havent played for far too long

[sage belfry]

I did already spam ~550 of them… but no more I promise

[old hearth]

the refinery on the righht is fuel from water only coming from the scrap machines

the other by and extractor

[fervent tapir]

That looks confusing 🙃

[old hearth]

if you mix the two lines there is a chance it breaks

[old hearth]

its easy

[fervent tapir]

Wanna take a look at my factory? It's the most confusing thing ever.

[old hearth]

just take the amount of water you need total and subtract it by the amount of waste water you get to determine how much fresh water you add in

[old hearth]

oh my

[fervent tapir]

Atleast this looks, decent... ?

[old hearth]

you have too many water extractors

[fervent tapir]

Yeah I need help 🤣

[old hearth]

wayyyyyyy toooo many

un moment

i will send a sc of mine

[fervent tapir]

I have one for each coal thing 🤣

[old hearth]

you need 3 for every 8

[fervent tapir]

12 water, 16 coal gens

[old hearth]

you set up 3 extractors in a loop

and you have 120 coal coming in

[fervent tapir]

Yeah, my entire game is a spaghetti mess

[old hearth]

it will create a constant 600 mw with no weirdness

[crimson moat]

I just realized that Kibitz is using the wrong plutonium recipe so he has like 50% more resource and machine use for literally no benefit other than sink points

[old hearth]

wym

[fervent tapir]

Oil productionn

[unique cypress]

how much U/Pu is he making?
and is he sinking the Pu?

[old hearth]

does he have a new vid

[crimson moat]

he's using the recipe for more plutonium rods (gets rid of less uranium waste), and sinking those rods

[old hearth]

i mean tbf he didnt know how to propperly combo quartz purification so he had like double the quartz he need

[crimson moat]

Yeah and i have a similar project so i am familiar with the recipies

i just assumed that he was using the correct one

[old hearth]

OH no

i see itidk why i didnt get the ping

[unique cypress]

for sinking, you should use all defaults, which results in 4U:1Pu rod ratio

[crimson moat]

there are multiple combos which make some sense, but plutonium fuel unit into the sink is absolutely not one of them

[old hearth]

i thought he was making ficsonium later

[crimson moat]

for ficsonium you want fewer plutonium rods

[old hearth]

but needed to sink it so he can actually get there

[old hearth]

why

[crimson moat]

because recycling Pu waste to Fics costs a massive amount of SAM, aluminum and copper, which don't exist on the map in enough quantities

[old hearth]

why aluminum

[crimson moat]

so you generally make ficsonium wasteless by having as little plutonium as possible

[old hearth]

also sloops

[crimson moat]

It uses e.g. copper pasta..

[unique cypress]

tbf, if you care about resources, or space, or effort, you shouldn't make ficsonium at all

[crimson moat]

sloops make more power, with or without waste, by making more uranium instead

[old hearth]

(or matrixes)

however this is almost certainly a case of rule of cool

as we all know

[crimson moat]

ye i just think there are cooler ways to be cool

[old hearth]

i mean my plans include both

but i also need to use all alts so its not a mxed out one per say

[old hearth]

why is he using the rubber radio control unit recipe

That was meant to be in all caps

[crimson moat]

To go from max uranium into plut fuel unit into ficsonium, Tools uses 100% of the SAM and then makes 278 superposition oscillators per minute to provide dark matter, since SAM is gone.

With fertile uranium it needs even more SAM

[old hearth]

no im using ALL ALTS

[crimson moat]

which, exactly

[old hearth]

which means i have half of the uranium for the alternate units and uranium

and half for reg

ect ect

[old hearth]

both

[crimson moat]

every recipe, both alt and regular?

[old hearth]

yerp

1200 makes alt uranium stuff and alt fretile but reg plutonium

900 for the opposite

and it still makes 65 ficsonium rodsper minute

[crimson moat]

it will cost more resources than this

[old hearth]

i slops sam and fictite ingots

[old hearth]

i think

im slooping all reanimated sam in the world

[crimson moat]

If you make plutonium fuel unit into fics, you need a lot of sloops to make it work with nothing else in the world cause it's 118 fics.

[unique cypress]

check if slooping trigons isn't cheaper.
I don't remember which one was better

[crimson moat]

ingots is i believe

[old hearth]

no trigons is better

it saves 4 whole sloops

and uses the same caterium

and saves power

thank god he caught that

[old hearth]

again i ask WHY IS KIBS USING RUBBER RADIOS HE NEEDS THE ALUMINUM

[unique cypress]

The HSC alt uses least alu

but tools doesn't like it because it uses a lot of everything else

I'd just use default RCU

[old hearth]

no but the rubber alt uses more casings

ITS THE WORST ONE ALUMINUM WISE RAHHH

[unique cypress]

fym "no"?

the connection alt uses 12 casings per RCU

at least with the heat sink alt

system uses 20 casings, and default 16

[old hearth]

hes using the middle one

im not talking about the bottom one

[unique cypress]

"The HSC alt uses least alu" is what I said

which is correct

[old hearth]

im saying hes using the one that uses th e most alum

[unique cypress]

I know he didn't use that one because it doesn't use rubber directly

in general, I'd use default RCU, it's the most balanced

[old hearth]

fair

i mean i need to use all three sooo\

[unique cypress]

sure, it's middle in alu, but it's at least cheap in everything else

default, system, connection, per 100 RCUs

disabled SAM and default alumina, everything else enabled

[glacial peak]

damn :)) i was curious what the link showed

[unique cypress]

enable all alts lol

[glacial peak]

they are lol

[unique cypress]

all alts, defaults, machines and resources?

[glacial peak]

lemme check resources

ah damn it was refineries being disabled for some reason lol

0.01 of a refinery? why is this loop here even im confused. like yea you need some for coated sheets but why loop into eachother in the model

[unique cypress]

because that's the most resource efficient way lol

[glacial peak]

im confused :))

couldn't you just use the byproduct polymer to make enough plastic for the coated plates

[unique cypress]

how am I supposed to answer that from a screenshot of 2 steps?

send the link

[glacial peak]

i mean the link is right above it was the reply

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[unique cypress]

this is a link to the site, not the plan

[glacial peak]

that's the link i clicked

and it sent me to the recipe

idk man i never use satisfactory tools

i use the modeler it's less of a headache for me to plan stuff out

[old hearth]

i used pen and paper my first playthrough 🙃

[unique cypress]

it must've been there before you clicked that link

[wind spade]

Use the blue share button in top right

[glacial peak]

i never used the site

[unique cypress]

because it leads to the main site, not to a specific plan

[glacial peak]

only to click on other links from here

that's the link i was replying to so idk

[wind spade]

Use the blue share button in top right 🙂

[glacial peak]

it would be no use i already started changing it to see if i could make it less of a headache

so id share my work now

it's changed now

[unique cypress]

why only 10?

[glacial peak]

cause i wanted to test it out

that's all

im not gonna use this plan i was just playing around

to see how the site works

[unique cypress]

also, for default rocket fuel, I suggest using default plates and default inogts - you need so few that being efficient doesn't matter

[glacial peak]

eh when i plan mine out i'd do it in modeler so this plan doesn't matter lol

but true ya can just use defaults

actually i should plan my rocketfuel plant soon i am running low on energy, how much power does rocket fuel give per generator?

[unique cypress]

generators give 250 MW at 100% speed, regardless of fuel

[glacial peak]

ok then how much does it consume is the better question

[unique cypress]

25/6

4.1(6)

4+1/6

[glacial peak]

alrighty

time to do math (my weakness)

[crimson moat]

1 per 14.4 seconds

[60/14.4] per min

[hoary hornet]

Quick question (as i don't seem to be able to find an answer online and haven't completed my powerplant yet to test it out): how long does each nuclear fuel cell (uranium, plutonium and ficsonium) produces? How long does one last?

I'm trying to do the math per unit, not per minute

[deft lichen]

!wikisearch Nuclear+Power+Plant

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Nuclear+Power+Plant

[deft lichen]

not sure where you've been looking if not the wiki

[hoary hornet]

Oh, there was a critical part i wasn't thinking about, the production of the powerplant is the same at all times (per min). So when i looked some months ago the math didn't add up because i was missing that part xd

[deft lichen]

that's the case with all generators

[hoary hornet]

Thanks a lot for the answer, i'm trying to use all the uranium and make it 100% efficient, lots of math!

[deft lichen]

the clock speed affects the produced power

burning fuel is just energy over time

[hoary hornet]

Yeah, for some weird reasons i didn't think it applied to nuclear reactors too

[burnt topaz]

Need to transport water from over there to where im standing, around 8000 Units of Water per Minute... should i use Trains or just pipe it directly here?

[unique cypress]

I'd say you should've built the whole thing there in the first placce

[burnt topaz]

considering im exporting even more limestone i dont think so

[unique cypress]

but since you already built it and it's not that far so I'd say pipes

[burnt topaz]

alright

thanks

[unique cypress]

just build a bridge or something

[burnt topaz]

yea ill do that

[unique cypress]

running them over such uneven terrain won't end well

[burnt topaz]

ill build something like this in bigger

for ~16 pipes

[radiant terrace]

Why doesn't this extract anything? It's power connected and pipe connected

[unique cypress]

because it's full

[burnt topaz]

It probably doesnt flow through the pipe far enough to reach the next pump

any idea on how to align these with the wall

[radiant terrace]

wdym?

[radiant terrace]

are you sure

[burnt topaz]

its full

[radiant terrace]

oh ok ty

[burnt topaz]

and cant export into the pipe connected

[radiant terrace]

tyy

@burnt topaz I have a huge pipe network, and clearly one of the pipes isn't transfering the oils(the start is overfill, while the end is completeley empty)
is there any way to see which pipe does so?

[unique cypress]

place a pump right after the extractor

[burnt topaz]

you probably dont have pumps properly setup

[radiant terrace]

is it needed?

[burnt topaz]

yes

[unique cypress]

no clue

[radiant terrace]

I see , thank you

[unique cypress]

depends how high you're trying to move the oil

[burnt topaz]

it is if you need to cover large distance and/or wanna go up in height

[unique cypress]

horizontal distance doesn't matter

[burnt topaz]

really

[radiant terrace]

I do move it up in height alot tho, so its probably that

[old hearth]

nahrp

[fossil galleon]

the underside of my 3900 aluminum ingots 🤑

[velvet bramble]

was so excited when i got smart splitters/mergers to have combined belts

didnt think for a second about the fact that have 2x more coal input than iron meant that the belts would immediately clog with coal and stop moving

[old hearth]

chat what do we think this is produced in hmmmm

[queen slate]

Encoder, obviously. Gotta provide it light EPM and deal with Dark Matter.

[severe mango]

Gang I need help, My fuel won't get to where it needs to be, Ive tried using pump but their not working and youtube isn't giving me any actually solutions

[unborn dome]

What does the headlift gauge on the pump say?

[severe mango]

0

[unborn dome]

It's not pumping anything then

Is there fluid reaching all the way up to it in the lower pipe?

[severe mango]

It was before my refinery's stopped working bc the same problem

[unborn dome]

You're going to have to troubleshoot where the fluid stops flowing and work from that point

[oblique hollow]

start at the source and then work yourself forwards

[vapid gorge]

@vestal dragon make what you need. I use 1 normal node per basic item

[knotty siren]

Question: When I use pipes for fluids, if the machine only needs a mk1 pipe then I use that and mk2 for the rest of the system if it's over 300m³/s. Do I do the same for gasses such as nitrogen or rocket fuel or do I just use mk2 pipes all around?

[vapid gorge]

you can do the same

you don't have to use mk1 inputs for machines but sometimes it can help stabalise flow

[knotty siren]

for gasses as well?

I think I will do the same then

[naive idol]

I have the MK2 Conveyor belts and a mk1 - 120 output miner but miner constantly gets to 100 and stops. These are the 2 ends of the belt. Whlat should i do to fix it? Tysm

Is the splitter slowing the output of the first belt down?

[unique cypress]

You actually have to consume 120 for the miner to produce 120

Either you used a mk1 belt where a mk2 should be, or you're not using all the ore

[naive idol]

I have 4 burners which should consume the amount

[unique cypress]

Belt, then?

Mk1 only handles up to 60

Whenever you're trying to move more than 60, you need a mk2, which can handle up to 120

[naive idol]

But i split the mk2 with 2 mk1

the belt on the top comes from my miner

its mk 2 and the other 2 is mk1

[tepid kettle]

It looks like your miner isnt even producing 120 a minute

Otherwise the mk2 and mk1 belts would be full

[sharp knoll]

Maybe there’s a mk1 belt somewhere along the line?

They seem half full

[tepid kettle]

Then there is a mk1 belt somewhere along the line

[naive idol]

Ohh damnn thank yall so much. The very LAST belt was mk1 🤦‍♂️

now its fixed

Ty again

[quick gorge]

Posting to watch some of your eyes bleed.
Much love <3

[glacial peak]

@vapid gorge thanks for the help yesterday i made this for 1200 bauxite being processing per cluster

1200 once i get mk6 belts

[glacial peak]

i love the pattern but i hate this

it hurts my eyes. great job :)))))

[quick gorge]

"I hate that I love this" type shit.
Wonderful

[glacial peak]

pretty much

you did your job'

[quick gorge]

yay I made people suffer, yippy ^_^

[vapid gorge]

looks perfect! but I could have sworn you needed 8 refineries for both the solution and scrap

for 1200 at least

or maybe you could do 6 if you merged teh solutions in the middle?

[glacial peak]

right now they are at half clock but it should work at full speed

[vapid gorge]

hmmm, okie dokie 🙂

[glacial peak]

now i just needa place 100 or so smelters for everything 🥲

[haughty barn]

How impressive is a base that finishes the spelevator in an hour?

I haven’t made it yet, just planning it out

[vapid gorge]

OC!

[glacial peak]

i dont have that many shards left D:

and it will take ages till i can manufacture them

already need the 100 i have for the refineries

actually i could collect the slugs in the north i picked none from those biomes...

nvm i could oc some

[haughty barn]

spamming down smelters isnt that bad since you can fit a bunch into a bp

[dim valve]

MK2 pipes cannot convey 400 m3. What am I doing wrong?

[river night]

there is one typical reason, there is a mk1 part somewhere that you missed

[dim valve]

The first thing I did was checked the presence of MK1 pipes. There are definitely not them anywhere.

All 400 m3 are consumed by 20 generators. But since 400 m3 is not delivered, distant georators are starving

[river night]

two refineries are also yellow in that screenshot, so unless that is because their output is backed up, maybe the issue is further upstream

oh and floorholes sometimes bug out

so if those two refineries are maybe affected by that, re-doing the pipe can fix it

[hoary hornet]

Was about to say the same thing, my advice on that is making the tube clip into the ground and then place the floorhole, so it seems like it's connected through that but it's not and you shouldn't have any more issues if everything else was checked out already

[river night]

thats what I do when possible

[dim valve]

Far is yellow, because it starves in heavy oil residue, because the pipes cannot pass 600 \ 600 m3. Near is yellow, because it is clogged with fuel, because the pipes cannot convey 400/600 m3.

🙂

[crimson moat]

@dim valve fluid manifolds cannot move the full 600m3 due to backflow

e.g. 500 flows forward, 100 back, net flow is 400 but total flow (which pipe measures) is 600

[vapid gorge]

athe issue is almost always how you're feeding the generators

show overhead images of that

[crimson moat]

400/600 is high enough to have issues in some circumstances. It depends a lot on things like the pipe shape, elevation, how many segments there are etc and is difficult to avoid or predict unless keeping pipes very simple.

Best just make two 200/600 pipes instead of a 400/600

[vapid gorge]

are you feeding your generators from below?

or feeding THOSE refineries from below?

[dim valve]

I feed everything from below

[vapid gorge]

and you haven't looped your pipes I take it?

[dim valve]

yep

[vapid gorge]

yep you haven't, or yep you have

[dim valve]

yep i haven't

T_T

[vapid gorge]

ok so the easiest solution for this is 'don't feed from below'

even when you're running less than 600 in a pipe it'll easily cripple your flow

and feed the machines with loops like this

[dim valve]

Ok, I'll try to do the same. Thanks for the help 🙂

[vapid gorge]

feeding from below is possible. But you really need to know what you're doing