math-and-meta

[wind spade]

You don't see all recipes (alts) or future phases that are locked and not visible

Sure, but they can still be independent 😉

[dreamy umbra]

trains are the holy grail of logistics,very efficient and easy to setup

[wind spade]

But the trick is also knowing when not to use them 🙂

[dreamy umbra]

what?
i can't hear you,the trains are too loud

[burnt folio]

honk

[dreamy umbra]

truly

also double-loco trains are a must if you have long stretches of incline on your railway

[tropic hawk]

and now I have "We Want Trains" running through my head...

[wind spade]

e.g. instead of using two train lines to move things from two locations into a separate one, move one of the things with one train line to other location

[dreamy umbra]

but you still need to ship in everything else in the 1st location

[wind spade]

no I'm talking about a situation where I only need to use two locations

[tight mauve]

Hello

[brisk urchin]

ima send you my early game coal grid

in a moment

this was my early to mid game grid

powered like almost all my litle automations

[tight mauve]

Tha- thats early game ?😃😭 the reviews where right my sanity will be gone

[brisk urchin]

its simple realy, you just have to understand fluid transport

thats all

[brisk urchin]

yeah dont make me show you my power grid now

[tight mauve]

I think a lot of stuff i havent unlocked in nam

So i cant build that

[brisk urchin]

what did you not unlock

[tight mauve]

Please done i will go insane

[tight mauve]

Only really very little

[brisk urchin]

i wont i promise 😆

[tight mauve]

Only like the tier 1 of stuff

[brisk urchin]

what for example

[tight mauve]

For the yellow ore i got it up to the strings

[brisk urchin]

you dont need sulfur for this

[tight mauve]

For fauna i got to rebar gun

[tight mauve]

The ither onethe ceasuim thing

Cant rmber the name

[brisk urchin]

oh yeah

caterium unlocks just better power poles

[tight mauve]

Yea yea that i got that unlocked to a bit

For power sligs im up to the pink one

Alien tech i cant find shit

[brisk urchin]

you dont need any mam research for coal generators

[tight mauve]

Thank gah

[brisk urchin]

just pipes, extractors and generators

[tight mauve]

But how do you split the coal?

[brisk urchin]

with splitters

normal ones

[tight mauve]

I only have t 1 extractor

[brisk urchin]

you do know that you can build more

[tight mauve]

Yea but when I do it power is inconsistent

[tight mauve]

I mean the tier no uhh

[brisk urchin]

yes because it overfills

and then he cant extract nomore

[tight mauve]

Ohhh

So i need more coal eaters

[brisk urchin]

ye

[tight mauve]

Ahhh

[brisk urchin]

one coal needs 45m³ per minute

means one extractor can nearly power 3 at once

[tight mauve]

do i need t2 converer belts those are pretty pricy for me ngl

[brisk urchin]

oh your that early game

[tight mauve]

Yea im am that new less than 10h

[brisk urchin]

they realy shouldnt be just automate them

[tight mauve]

I did automate the reinforced plate but its 1 per 4 min somehow

[brisk urchin]

what do u mean

[tight mauve]

as in the production of the reinforced plates is reallly slow

Same for rotors ive been using

[brisk urchin]

you can just double the machines

[tight mauve]

I havent really seen any guides because i dont wanna ruin the fun of discovering

[brisk urchin]

or check if one is constrandly underfilled

[tight mauve]

I think mine are overfilled

My smelter and my extractor

Thats why i cant get higher production

What does pure impure mean?

[brisk urchin]

if you want to maximise a node you go from the node and pace as much smelters is needed untill you smelt all the ores per minute

[brisk urchin]

so see it as impure is the base node

gives one when you mine by hand

normal gives 2, and pure 4

[tight mauve]

Oh so thats what ive been doing wrong this whole time ive been 1 smelter for 1 extractor

[brisk urchin]

this game requires math a lot

luckily the machines tell you how much they need per minute in AND out

[tight mauve]

I really need to watch a guide dont I

[brisk urchin]

there isnt realy one

not that i know of

[tight mauve]

Im really enjoying the game doe regardless of if im maximseing

[brisk urchin]

yeah it doesnt matter anyways but if you do in any way want to get efficient and fast in producing stuff

think of the math that you can use

[tight mauve]

Im looking for stuff to research rn that was the advice i was given when i last came to discord

I still need to find harddrives

[brisk urchin]

yeah u can research in the mam to scan for those with your object scanner

also the mercers spheres

[tight mauve]

I cant find them

[brisk urchin]

where did you spawn in

[tight mauve]

The beginer reccomend map

[brisk urchin]

they are often on high or hidden places

or protected by wildlife

[brisk urchin]

so grass land?

[tight mauve]

Yws

[brisk urchin]

ok the first one is on a litle rock like hill

[tight mauve]

Pray my rebar gun saves me

[brisk urchin]

around here

[tight mauve]

Ahhhh i see

Does my research stay into a new game?

[brisk urchin]

no a world is seperated from all other ones

just like in basicaly any other game

but your knowledge stays!

[brisk urchin]

and btw, there is only one map

just 4 diffrent spawn areas

[tight mauve]

Oh

[brisk urchin]

i also didnt know that at first

[tight mauve]

Wow I am a really fresh freise

Man the learning in this game is fun asl

@brisk urchin Thanks for the help but I godda go to sleep gn 👍 I will try this tomorrow pray for
My sanity

[brisk urchin]

gl, and for your motivation of finding hard drives

at the crash sites there is always free loot

[tight mauve]

I did not know rhat

[brisk urchin]

you are searching for this btw

[tight mauve]

Yep found 2 so far

Gn bro 👍 and thanks

[brisk urchin]

@wind spade do u find that satisfactory

[wind spade]

no

[brisk urchin]

ok meanie

[wind spade]

you asked, I answered 🤷 would you rather get an answer you wanted to get, but not one that is truthful?

[cloud rose]

For a Mk1 miner should I split it to 3 smelting machines or are 2 good enough to stop jamming? (pretty new sorry if it is a dumb question)

[brisk urchin]

i agree 100%, anyways

[brisk urchin]

you see the output per minute in the miner's menu, with that you can calculate how much smelters you need to smelt all the ores that you get per minute

and note, overclocking machines increases your power usage per item you create

if you found already power slugs and crafted power shards ofcorse

[opaque quartz]

The amount of ore that a miner produces depends on three factors:

• the tier of the miner (mk1,2,3)
• the purity of the node (impure, normal, pure)
• the clock speed of the miner (up to 250%)

[cloud rose]

Sounds good I will see what I did wrong here 😂

[opaque quartz]

so to answer your question: the number of smelters you can hook up to a miner depends on how much ore the miner can produce. Yes, you will have to do math, get used to it

[brisk urchin]

lmao

like, no this is no funsy game, here you need to use what you learned in school kids!

XD

[cloud rose]

I knew from the beginning that I had to do math or I wouldn't of gone into the math and meta chat

[opaque quartz]

You’d be surprised

Some people come in here and are just playing off vibes or whatever

[cloud rose]

There was one pesky assembler that was causing the jams because it takes in from a 15/minute constructor and feeds to a 10/minute assembler with mine oops

[fervent dew]

here goes: I have 2 mk1 miners outputting to 4 refiners that output to 8 constructors.

MY question is, if answerable, for long term output how much of them should be iron plates, metal sticks, and screws? Is there a particular ratio that works long term, like have 3 constructors doing iron plates, 3 doing bolts, and 2 doing sticks?
Something like that?

oh. never its a ratio of iron plates to sticks. Should it be half and half?

[wind spade]

no, not really. It will vary massively depending on how much you build, how fast, which buildables, if the production is for personal use or for future factories, what materials will future factories need, etc etc.

generally what I recommend is to only make what you need now, if you later find out that you keep running out of it, you'll build more

[tropic hawk]

depends on a lot of things. What are your long term plans?

[silent patrol]

how would someone go about making a 525/min conveyor and a 450/min conveyor into an X amount of conveyors that are balanced (i hope that made sense)

[tropic hawk]

why do they need to be "balanced"?

[silent patrol]

unless theres an easier way to do what i am doing

[wind spade]

I'd recommend not doing any "balancing", just hook 525 conveyor into machines that need 525 in total, and so on

[tropic hawk]

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[tropic hawk]

!wikisearch balancing

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=balancing

[tropic hawk]

!wikisearch load balance

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=load

[silent patrol]

i cant figure out how to do the manifolds as i only have mk4s (as previously mentioned one 525/min conveyor (that shouldnt work anyways) and one 450/min conveyor)

more after the foundries the first bits easy

[tropic hawk]

what I would recommend is an injection type manifold, where when one belt starts getting low, another belt is looped into it

[wind spade]

one line doesn't mean one belt

[silent patrol]

i know i never said that

[wind spade]

so build more belts 🙂

[silent patrol]

did you hear my problem?

[wind spade]

did you read my solution?

[silent patrol]

yeah i dont know how many i need to get the right throughput into the constructors

[wind spade]

how many of what?

[silent patrol]

belts

[wind spade]

that depends on you

[tropic hawk]

righto, belting for beginners

[wind spade]

only relevant thing is "don't put more on belt than it can carry"

[silent patrol]

i used to know how to but i havent touched this game in like a year

[tropic hawk]

miners are producing A amount of resources. you use the highest tier belt you can to take the items from the miner. you then either continue with that belt, or split it into multiple belts of whatever tier of belts you want to work with. you then run the belt by the inputs, then mount splitters on them to make the inputs for the machines, then you put belts from the splitters to the machines

[wind spade]

• make a belt by merging a few machines together
• calculate how much is on it (you know that because you know how much each machine makes)
• calculate how many machines of next step it can feed
• hook it to those machines (with a manifold), possibly clocking them to matching the amount
• repeat until done

[dreamy umbra]

how to easily get 360GW
step one:

certified human cotton moment

[silent patrol]

if the through put is 525 and i split it later down the line to hold less will the throughput work? or will it backlog because the foundries are making more than the initial belts can carry

[tropic hawk]

the way that the injection manifold works is if you don't have your machines consuming a perfect amount of the item from the belt, you have a smart splitter at the end that has the overflow going to the machines, and the main resources continuing into a priority merger. the PMerger is then prioritized resources from the other belt over the first manifold.

[tropic hawk]

belts will only carry up to their capacity. if the machine is producing more than the belts can carry, it will start backing up almost immediately

[tropic hawk]

man, i can't wait until i get my 1 TW gen array...

[silent patrol]

i know that but lets say i have one manifold for 525 then split it after the manifold into 2 belts will the throughput work then?

[dreamy umbra]

what kind of fuel?

rocket?

[tropic hawk]

rocket

[dreamy umbra]

rocket

[tropic hawk]

RF is the best fuel type

[dreamy umbra]

my generator array runs on turbofuel,silly m

[tropic hawk]

(for endgame power requirements)

[dreamy umbra]

also i was today years old when i found out blocking 100 something refineries with walls can reduce lag

[cold drift]

Hallo, hope it's the right channel !

(Kinda new to satisfactory)
I've been trying to setup some train network on my own and fail miserably before using some stuff shown online, with the design bellow.

Sadly there's still a lot of issue where a train loading/ unloading would softlock when another train would be waiting to go in the station, is there a better design, or am I missing something ?

Shine

[warm granite]

Right there with you. I got the whole fuel processing and generation setup happening underneath the ground.

The big plan is to have multiple segments for mass HOR, Diluted Fuel, Nitro Rocket Fuel, Recycled Rocket Fuel (from the compact coal made from Nitro Rocket Fuel), and multiple power generation stations. I hope to use up all the crude oil in the map for power when I'm finished.

[tropic hawk]

Is this a 2D track or 3D?

[cold drift]

2D

[tropic hawk]

FYI you will get a LOT more than 1 TW of power from ALL the oil on the map

[tropic hawk]

right, I believe part of the problem is that the green block is too big, causing a train waiting there making the train in the station block to think that its directly in front of them as well

my recommendation would be to cut that block in half, so the green block would be divided in the top and bottom half. that should theoretically fix the problem

[cold drift]

Like this ?

[tropic hawk]

yeah, that should work. if not, then it will let you narrow the field for troubleshooting

[cold drift]

Alright I'll try that, ty !

[brisk urchin]

what is this supposed to do if i may ask, i dont see any "PM" Pmergers like you said

[tropic hawk]

unlock them (caterium research tree IIRC)

[brisk urchin]

no i am endgame, what is this contraption supposed to acomplish

[tropic hawk]

its supposed to be like a normal manifold, but with multiple feed belts to support rows of machines that are too long for a single belt to support

[brisk urchin]

i still dont understand why you would need this, arent just multiple manifolds less complicated?

[tropic hawk]

while technically yes, you can also get this system without smart splitters or P. mergers, they just make it work a bit smoother

[gloomy shoal]

Personal advice: Do not have a train station that circles over the other direction's track if it at-all can be helped
If you can spin the station around or move it to the other side of the track, you'll have far less problems going forward

[tropic hawk]

also true

[cinder crystal]

How bad of an idea is it to have a manifold that makes 3 different items and then sorts them via a smart splitter?

[amber umbra]

If you want it to "just work", it's not recommended. Can be fun though.

[unique cypress]

Not great. Requires a lot of extra beltwork or a sink

[cinder crystal]

Damn. Even with adjusted ratios?

[amber umbra]

If you want to google about it, the concept of mixed items on one belt is called "sushi belts".

You can do them and people enjoy using them in this discord. They just require you doing it correctly or the production line stops working.

[cinder crystal]

Thank you, I'll look into that.

[fierce prawn]

Liquid Biomass plant for the plastic age has been an interesting ride so far, just the sloops running the plant have gotten the production line eating the same amount of energy I was using worldwide

Now i have a power surplus of about 125% of what i'm using for my base going straight to batteries, and yet this battery bank would take an entire weekend of AFK to charge at this rate. Hopefully, this setup may actually work for when i'm running particle accelerators off battery and leaf water

[spiral geode]

@radiant willow - Iron wire for sure, others are mid. #screenshots message

[radiant willow]

Thank you

[latent swallow]

is there a way to disable build animations? i need 12000 water and the build animation for thes pipe blueprints is tanking my game hard

[thorn trail]

There are mods for faster build animations, and IIRC there was one for no build animation, but it disables the sounds of the build being done as well

[vapid gorge]

the other way to do it is build your generators above the extractors. minimal pipes

[uncut snow]

I kinda need help with the stiched reinforced plate recipe its good but the numbers look wierd any idea how i can keep the input and output numbers clean?

[wind spade]

simple solution is to stop caring about "nice" numbers, any number is fine, and whether you're making 5/min or 4.875/min or 5.125/min, it doesn't really matter. Stop discriminating decimal numbers 😛

[oblique hollow]

Try doubling it. Or quadrupling it

Thats usually always a solution

[wind spade]

like if you need exactly 5/min for next step, sure, go make 5/min. But if you're making things for storage, you don't really care if it's a decimal number or not

and use clock speed - the best tool we have for this kind of stuff

[vapid gorge]

clock your machines to produce and consume exact numbers. Decimals are just numbers

[warm granite]

Heck, I'm so proud of you for taking this challenge. You definitely should post pics of the setup

[plucky tusk]

Theyre all just fractions

[frosty owl]

I ran some numbers on an idle thought (#satisfactory message), trying to rank power sources by the amount of Water needed. I chose 1 Fuel Generator's worth of power (250 MW) as the target for comparisons:

1a) Biomass generators. No water needed. (Credits to @wind spade)
1b) Geothermal generators.
1c) Fuel Generators. Using the standard Fuel Recipe, one can avoid water completely. With different recipes combinations the Water usage can range from 1.285/min (Rocket Fuel) to 20/min (Diluted Fuel).

2. Nuclear Powerplants. The recipes chosen can vary the water usage, ranging from 24 + ~0.4 (NPP consumption + Water consumed for Plubber production for Uranium Fuel Rods) to 24 + 2.294 (maybe a bit more, but not enough to change results). The picture details how the Water is used in a similar production plan, highlighting the water for Diluted Fuel as that's necessary no matter the production plan (quantity may vary a little).

3. Coal Power. Ranking last, Coal Generators guzzle 150 Water/min to output the target power (3.33... generators).

[wind spade]

isn't fuel technically 0 as well, with base recipe?

[frosty owl]

I'm surprised by how much water Coal takes compared to Nuclear and how little of Nuclear's water goes into production of fuel. Imagining the people complaining about piping for Nuclear trying to achieve the same power with Coal makes me go

[frosty owl]

Yep, gotta fix that!

[frosty owl]

Yeah, Nuclear takes ~0.16x the Water needed by Coal. Quite the step-up in efficiency 🥳 (i.e.: Coal takes ~6.25x as much water as Nuclear for the same MW)

[wind spade]

good, now we can save all the water

[thorn trail]

the odd thing is that in the case of nuclear and coal, neither should be actually consuming any water either, as they both just convert water to steam to drive turbines and that steam is then condensed back into water to be re-used

[wind spade]

in case of irl nuclear, the condensed water exits through cooling towers, right?

(well, some of it I guess)

[thorn trail]

for a BWR type plant, no

[frosty owl]

Nuclear would still need some Water for the production of Plubber though (for the Fuel Rods)

Although that's like... less than 10% of the water the Powerplant itself takes

[thorn trail]

water in the cooling towers is straight from a river and used to condense the steam back into water in the internal loop

[dawn crater]

the water gets turned into steam by reactor and then exits usuing these towers or gets recicled back into reactor

[thorn trail]

said cooling water is pumped right back into the river

no water leaves the system in a BWR, it is all internal to the system

because that water is radioactive

[dawn crater]

yeah it just depends of the model of the reactor

[frosty owl]

*spicy

[dawn crater]

not really

[thorn trail]

funny, it did when I worked as a reactor operator

[dawn crater]

i mean the hydrogen and oxygen can get transformed into their radioactive isotops but water in reactors isn't very radioactive

[thorn trail]

the water in the reactor -> turbine loop is definitely radioactive

partially due to radioactive water isotopes, partially due to byproducts from the reaction getting caught up in the steam

[dawn crater]

okay but i still think the water doesn't get very radioactive

[dawn crater]

which decay i think really quicly

[thorn trail]

yeah, we just wore those ridiculously hot and uncomfortable radiation suits when working inside the radioactive areas because they looked cool

[dawn crater]

i am not saying that is it still safe?

[frosty owl]

#off-topic-general channel reminder ^^

[thorn trail]

off to bed, sorry for derailing the train of thought regarding the water/power ratio talk

[dawn crater]

anyway green slime in yellow barrels is very annoying

is it easier to turn the waste int to pellets or into rod?

[dawn crater]

goodnight

[frosty owl]

It's green. Must be made from healthy stuff, like spinachs....!

[thorn trail]

one last bit of trivia, anybody know where the term 'scram' comes from in regard to a reactor?

[frosty owl]

Pellets obviously? Rods are one of the following steps

[dawn crater]

i only know what it does but from where it is i don't knoe

[astral warren]

you have to turn it into rods to be able to sink it regardless right?

[dawn crater]

i mean is easier to turn it into pellets or into nonfissle uranium sorry

[thorn trail]

System Control Rod Ax Man - they originally had a person whose job it was to cut a rope with an ax to allow all the control rods to insert into the core in case of an emergency

[dawn crater]

which is more effiecient step for fuel rods

[frosty owl]

If we want to save the cute puppies, we must save something for them to drink too, no?

[thorn trail]

System or Standby, depends on your point of reference - and with that i bid all farewell

[frosty owl]

Do you mean Plutonium Cells? As in: Instant Plut. Cell vs Plutonium Pellet -> Encased Plutonium Cell?

[dawn crater]

yes plutonium cell

[frosty owl]

The non-alt route gives less plutonium-per-waste.
The alt route leads to more plutonium-per-waste (but also needing more of other materials ofc).
This is valid for all Plutonium recipes, except for the one involving Waste and Uranium Ore which has a bit of a weird spot...

[brisk urchin]

yall! yesterday i encountered my first spider - stinger thingy

(with 250h + playtime)

(on a diffrent world)

[dreamy umbra]

its probably losses in cooling

[oblique hollow]

Maybe its just the external "loop" that we supply

Except that we dont circulate the water back into the river

It gets boiled off

Because Ficsit

[cerulean gorge]

@vapid gorge What exactly would you like a pic of? I can't get a good overhead view of it because it's enclosed with a floor above

[vapid gorge]

over head image of everything

showing connections and all that

[near zodiac]

Well now I'm invested

[cerulean gorge]

I just recreated the splitter and now it's working

I thought maybe I had a connected turned, but I don't think I did.

[near zodiac]

Ah damn

[cerulean gorge]

I JUST realized the input is color coded, I checked the screenshot to see if I had it the right direction and I did.

[jade geode]

Ty, they are becoming extremely useful for this. Let me speedrun the phase.

[cerulean gorge]

Maybe it just didn't like the blueprint

[dreamy umbra]

quick question to all the technical knowers-should this work as a ~1200m3/min pipe?

[dreamy umbra]

iirc pipes are not conveyors and this should work

[wind spade]

I'd suggest splitting it into two or more modules that are not interconnected

[dreamy umbra]

splitting the pipes?

[wind spade]

don't have more than 600 in one module
if you don't want to deal with 600 pipes, make like modules of 400

[dreamy umbra]

oh,this

no,my 600 pipes are doing fine

[wind spade]

no, not about that

[dreamy umbra]

this is more for the extra throughput so i don't have to get another pipe attached somewhere

[wind spade]

don't have a module have more than 600

meaning all the interconnected machines shouldn't make more than 600

[dreamy umbra]

oh

thankfully they don't

more of a "spam this" blueprint

[wind spade]

well you asked about 1200/min

[dreamy umbra]

yes,this is for the refinery stacks

[wind spade]

yeah, and my recommendation is "don't"

[dreamy umbra]

noted,i'll probably run it at 90% capacity then

although i can only think of one time where i would even utilise it all-mass ore processing with limited pipeline space

[wind spade]

instead of merging all machines to 1200, merge thirds of machines to 400/400/400

have it three separate modules

[vapid gorge]

don't do this. Explicitely

keep fluid systems independent from each other or you'll suffer later

[dreamy umbra]

but this is the same fluid system,just with two pipes instead of one

one-directional

[vapid gorge]

you said you're merging 2x 600 pipes together? yeah don't do this

it's much more difficult to keep flow goin
you often need to loop 600 pipes just on their own
massively more of an issue to trouble shoot the systems since they becomes much bigger

[wind spade]

you can't make one-directional system from two-directional pipes

[dreamy umbra]

i'll integrate backflow preventors once i construct the bp

[wind spade]

that doesn't help

since any pipe section can still have backflow

and you can't build just ouf of valves/pumps

[dreamy umbra]

fair point

[vapid gorge]

we have a lot of pipe experience - we're trying to save you pain.

[dreamy umbra]

then i'll not utilise the full 600 pipe,but more of a 550 pipe

[vapid gorge]

but you're still connecting them together?

[dreamy umbra]

a 50m3 buffer will save me,certainly

[dreamy umbra]

yes

[vapid gorge]

ok you're ignoring the core part of the problem that will cause you to suffer

but, you have been warned when you asked a question. I'm not your mum.

[dreamy umbra]

i'll see for myself how bad it is

maybe i designed something that defies laws of gameplay and doesn't backflow that much

[vapid gorge]

no, it's something that's gonna cause a lot of conflicting flow

why even connect them?

[dreamy umbra]

honestly i don't remember why,if its bad then i'll just loop the pipe around and delete the connections

easier to setup for any lenght of pipe

[vapid gorge]

that seems just wrong honestly

it's a spare pipe going... somewhere? why run it even longer to the end of that manifold? build a manifold next to it?

you've got a refinery manifold + some other bit of manifold... for reasons.

anyway gl with it.

[thorny iron]

What do you think of this sloop order?

Sloop Order for points:

1. Ballistic Warp Drive (highest extra points)
2. AI Expansion Server (if no more warp drives second highest boost at cost of power)
3. Singularity Cell (DMR negative and way better than Nuclear Pasta directly)
4. Turbo Pressure Motor
5. Assembly Director System (cheap overclock. 1 Assembler @250% only needs 2 sloops and not much power)
6. Pressure Conversion Cube (cheap overclock. 1 Assembler @250% only needs 2 sloops and not much power)
7. Thermal Propulsion Rocket (use them to make more Ballistic Warp Drive?)
8. Neural-Quantum Processor (potentially)

Additional sloop not for points:

• Alien Power Matrix: actually saves power and complexity reduction

[unique cypress]

Depends what your goal is... I'm putting all of my sloops into augmenters

[thorny iron]

I guess awesome sink points, but i also put 10 Sloops in Power Augmenter and probably 4 in Alien Power Matrices to boost it

[dreamy umbra]

question-how would you guys balance this?
input is 6 train stations

[dawn crater]

the easiest way would to have 2 unloading stations first gets 1382 and second 910

what node do you use (purity), mark of your belts and miners?

[dreamy umbra]

mk3 miners,mk5 belts

[vapid gorge]

process it on location and then split the ingots with clocking

Assuming you're minning everything

[dawn crater]

one station gets 1 pure and one inpure, second station gets 1 inpure, 2 normal

[dreamy umbra]

sarge,there would be a problem with this i think

[dreamy umbra]

rail system

but thanks for the opinion anyways

maybe i'll incorporate it in later builds

[dreamy umbra]

for now this will do

[muted tide]

Damn flying spaghetti

What would be an item per minute treshold people use for drones or trains?

[dreamy umbra]

depends on distance for both

one wagon transports 16 stacks of items

for ore its 1600 items

check travel time and see how many trains/wagons you need

[muted tide]

I more meant, when would you use a drone over a train

[vapid gorge]

more about the terrain, distance and what infrastructure you've got going

trains are great when you think you'll be using the same infrastructure for other things and the terrain allows for it

[dreamy umbra]

low volume,high diversity transport

high tech parts

or gas canisters

[vapid gorge]

drones are great for not often used paths.
like, are you only going to ever need that drone path and nothing else? probably drones.

if it's going by a bunch of other stuff, maybe a train?

also if there's tons of mountains in the way, tons of elevation changes aren't the best for trains

[dreamy umbra]

uranium drones

well not uranium,but probably uranium fuel cell components

[vapid gorge]

drones can really be used for any item type. Easy to add a few more drones at nearly no cost and very little infrastructure

[dreamy umbra]

logistical challenge

[dreamy umbra]

guess i'll have to balance out 8 to 6

sucks

[wind spade]

or use the best logistical tool we have - ||clock speed||

[dreamy umbra]

yeah that too

hmm\

wait,i can just shove everything in industrial containers and call it a day

right

[unique cypress]

1 scrap refinery to 5 pure ingot smelters. What's there to balance?

[dreamy umbra]

4125 scrap

🗣️

[unique cypress]

1 refinery to 5 ingot smelters

[dreamy umbra]

i understand,but i feel like just balancing it out and centralising the aluminum will be easier than trying to plot tons of conveyors

[unique cypress]

Balance the ingots, not the scrap

[dreamy umbra]

and i know i can just bp the thing,but i already built the refineries blah blah blah

[unique cypress]

Scrap is only used for ingots

There's 0 reason to balance the scrap

[dreamy umbra]

wait,i got it i think

[unique cypress]

Just ratio the smelters

[dreamy umbra]

just realised you are the guy that made satistools

[fierce prawn]

I’m still actually working on the power plant (need computer production up to get those smart-er splitters for my biomass sorter) , but please, remind me in a few days and i should be done by then!

[sharp osprey]

Satisfactory Modeler bugging. I did all the math and its turned alot of my whole numbers eg. 40 : 95 to 39.99 : 95.01 for 0 reason. before I connected everything up all the input and output numbers were fine but after connection it bugged?

[sharp osprey]

Also there may be some imperfections in it but I was trying to 100% use the resources hence decimals from ores (trying to correct it with like 10/min of motor+framework as I wait on a reply)

[quick gorge]

Wait, I did not see the option for the orange and red colouration

[lone jewel]

i would strongly caution against using many drones, there is currently a bug which a few have encountered where drones start getting stuck once you have too many

[sharp osprey]

It was on by default when I got it? 🤷‍♂️ maybe a setting

[lone jewel]

which will spell disaster if you use it for example in delivering stuff needed for power generation

[fallow siren]

that color came from manual number input

[quick gorge]

Was there an update? I have been away for the week.
I also haven't opened it up for a whole before that as I'm doing the #design-and-architecture part

[lone jewel]

i think it's like 50+ drones in the world though before you start having issues

[sharp osprey]

In settings from top right, under style there are toggle options along with options to put the lines straight rather than curved like in my original image

[quick gorge]

I changes mine months ago to curvey lines :>

[sharp osprey]

fixed this issue temporerily by producing 10 of each/min but it makes 260/min ore instead of 270(max belt) or 300(max mk2) so I feel like im wasting the nodes?

[quick gorge]

I should havea look round now I've fleshed my plan out

[oblique hollow]

Sounds like floating point error to me

39.99 : 95.01 is exactly the type of numerical inaccuracy i expect from something like that

Its still basically 40 to 95 tho

[lone jewel]

it's not a floating point error per say

it's an input error

ie, you've entered in a clock rate that is not correct for the ratio, just close

you can enter fractions though for clock rate

ie, you can enter for example: 166 2/3 for 166.66666+

in game you can also enter fomulas, so like 166 + 2/3 or even 500/3

[wind spade]

but that won't get you 166.66666666...

[fierce ruin]

how do i get rid of this at phase 1 stage

[wind spade]

the big rock is impossible to get rid of

the gas vents are possible with explosives, which are in MAM

[jade geode]

Can I get rid of these :(

[wind spade]

same answer - unless explosives or chainsaw get rid of them, you can't

(I don't think these are removable, but I may be wrong)

[jade geode]

Okay, will try explosives, thanks

[fierce ruin]

oohh right

how do you make explosives

[tropic hawk]

Sulfur research tree

[fierce ruin]

tree?

[fierce ruin]

there are specific trees i need?

[dawn crater]

oak tree

[oblique hollow]

Its a mystree

[tropic hawk]

Look in the MAM

[fierce ruin]

i dont have much to see in it, its all locked

[oblique hollow]

then go out and explore the world a bit

[fierce ruin]

tbh ye i might xd i never even went more than 500m from my base

[opaque quartz]

These are removable with explosives, yes

[jade geode]

🤩

[jade geode]

If I keep blowing up this radioactive rock, will it eventualy break?

[opaque quartz]

No. It has to be hand mined which is a bad idea if you don’t have a hazmat suit

You can tank it with enough medical inhalers perhaps

[oblique hollow]

eat some nuts or berries and bear through it if you can

[jade geode]

Ohh great idea, but do you know when the hazmat suit becomes available..?

[oblique hollow]

Tier 7

[opaque quartz]

!wikisearch hazmat+suit

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=hazmat+suit

[jade geode]

Thanks guys :)

[brisk urchin]

radiation isnt that lethal if you are at half bar radiation level or a litle above, id just tank it and open the pod

[oblique hollow]

@trim sphinx lets talk in here.
its more comfortable AND you can post images here

could you do me a favor and like... take that image again but from further up?

[trim sphinx]

sure

[oblique hollow]

hit P to enter camera mode. You can then leave your body

[trim sphinx]

quick question when it says 240 a minute into 8 smelters it means do it evenly into them right not odd numbered

[oblique hollow]

a smelter uses 30/min
240 / 8 = 30

so 240 evenly into 8

[trim sphinx]

where does the image save too?

[oblique hollow]

documents / mygames / factorygame

yea that works out

[trim sphinx]

ok is there a cleaner way to do it?

[oblique hollow]

just use one splitter?

per 2 smelters

[trim sphinx]

cause i did 8 / 4 to get that number

[oblique hollow]

the second one just turns the belt 90° doesnt it

you can use the "straight" belt mode for 90° turns instead too

[trim sphinx]

yeah ik

but i like that look more however idk i dont like how the belts are not clean looking and i feel like there are other ways

or is it cause people usually bring them from below the floor?

[oblique hollow]

i wouldnt worry too much about that yet.

[trim sphinx]

i am though lol

[oblique hollow]

all the cool building options come when you have the AWESOME Shop

[trim sphinx]

yeah but its not like im doing anything multilayer

i swear ive seen cleaner designs with just these items

[oblique hollow]

just check #design-and-architecture , someone just made that unfortunate discovery

and that comes with experience and experimentation

you wanna try multi floors? then go for it

try, fail, learn from it and improve

[trim sphinx]

yeah but is there no way to feed these belts individually but still be more clean then having a massive conveyor like this taking up space?

one sec i got an idea

[bitter grail]

You could put it all closer together/make it more compact and not spread out. Other than that, people sometimes tend to do entire small floors for only conveyors and they have the conveyors rise up immediately to the machine through the floor

[oblique hollow]

better belts usually help to condense builds

[trim sphinx]

this is better

[oblique hollow]

at tier 1 / 2, technology limits how much you can compact stuff

[trim sphinx]

not really

[oblique hollow]

belt throughput

[trim sphinx]

ye

wait so what you meant is once i get stuff like floor things i can have the belts come through the floor and you dont see them and you just run belts under the floor?

i see what you mean

[oblique hollow]

thats one option.
another is that faster belts mean you dont need to run as many belts to the same place

you can just merge stuff onto one belt and then split it again.
usually people rely on overflow for that

machines get overfilled with items and then excess goes to the next machine.
its as efficient as splitting it up perfectly into each machine, but takes less space

[trim sphinx]

i see

[trim sphinx]

do you have a game save i can look at like to see how people do things?

[graceful tundra]

@eager girder, this kind of abominations

[eager girder]

ouch

[graceful tundra]

maths :D

[graceful tundra]

pipe physics on those 16 refineries in a row... yikes

[eager girder]

this is what I've done in the end, just about managed to fit in the smelters with good room to spare

[valid kelp]

how much power does that produce

[silent patrol]

probably a stupid question but im making a stator rotor and motor factory and want to split off some rotors into storage containers as shown how do i make sure the assembler for motors is getting enough?

is it as simple as just splitting into a container?

[unique cypress]

Smart splitter

Any into motors, overflow into container

[silent patrol]

makes sense

[unique cypress]

Considering it's turbofuel, way too little compared to the effort required

[silent patrol]

so when the assembler backs up itll start going into storage?

i thought it was simple as that just wanted to make sure

[unique cypress]

I would suggest going for a more convenient amount though

You'll have to over/underclock the motor assemblers to make sure they don't make too much

[valid kelp]

would normal fuel be better?

[silent patrol]

yeah this factory has been too much of a headache

[unique cypress]

That or rocket fuel

[unique cypress]

Steel rotor allows you to make motors out of just steel pipes and wire FYI

[unique cypress]

Also, putting stators into storage, and especially that many, is kind of a waste of time. They're not needed for any building, and only required for a few items

[silent patrol]

done over 60 hard drives and didnt get it T-T

ive always put stators into storage idk why i guess ive never gave it any thought

[cerulean gorge]

To make Packaged Biofuel the steps are:

1. BioTrash to Biomass (Constructor)
2. Biomass to Solid Biofuel (Constructor)
   3a) Solid Biofuel to Biofuel (Refinery)
   3b) Plastic to Empty Containers
3. Biofuel to Packaged Biofuel (Packager)

I can only Sloop the Constructor steps, right? I don't care about the containers.

[unique cypress]

It's useful for "hand"crafting automated wiring, but you don't need 25/min for that

And they were used in power storage before 1.0

[unique cypress]

You only cannot sloop the packager

[silent patrol]

getting rid of it gave me 6 more motors a minute :D

[unique cypress]

I would still put like 1-5/min into storage unless you want to automate automated wiring

[silent patrol]

ill just brute force it at some point

ill cross that bridge when i come to it

[unique cypress]

I guess you might as well handfeed the pipes and wire instead of stators

[cerulean gorge]

Thanks!

Ok, so 1 Mycelia will give me ~13 Packaged Biofuel (Slooping 1 Remains into Protein would give me ~266) 😄

[midnight dove]

I am having trouble. i have an overclocked oil extractor on a normal oil node producing 300m^3 per minute and im trying to find out how many overclocked refineries producing just fuel i can make work with it. im bad at math

[vapid gorge]

use a calculator and a bit of paper

[cerulean gorge]

I have 2 Normal Iron Ore, 1 Impure Sulpher, 1 Pure Coal, 1 Normal Copper, 1 Normal Limestone and Water.
I want to make Encased Beams, Motors and Heavy Modular Frame.

Would it be better to use Alt: Pure Iron Ingot to make a lot of Iron Ingots, and then use half in Alt: Solid Steel Ingot, or dump half the Iron Ore in Alt: Compacted Steel Ingot?

[vapid gorge]

'better' is subjective

compacted coal though is generally really awkward to use.

[cerulean gorge]

Since I have copper, I could also do the Alt: Iron Allow Ingot

[vapid gorge]

can always check tools if all you care is about numbers https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

alloy is a lot easier. no pipes, no refineries no compacted coal

[plucky tusk]

Same with basic iron

[opal sigil]

Anyone have any issues with satisfactory modelers loading lines and calculating

[ruby shoal]

Putting a single Sink at the front of my production line (where all the raw ore is smelted) and handling overflow there, should balance out the entire rest of production and prevent backing up, right?

[vapid gorge]

not sure what you mean by 'balance' but it'll keep it going

[ruby shoal]

That's kind of what I mean. Meaning everything will keep flowing and nothing will back up to the point of stalling the machines

[ruby shoal]

Like I'm looking through my production line that I'm feeding by train, so it's not precise amounts, and realizing all the places I'm making more than what I need.

For example, 80 Caterium Ingots split between 5 constructors, requiring 63 total. I need an overflow here to deal with the extra, but further down the line I have a constructor making Caterium Wire at 120 a minute. I only need 80 to convert to 40 Cable, so I'd need an overflow here too.

Rather than put a sink at every place I'm producing more than I need, can't I just have one at the very start and solve that problem? Or am I not thinking about this right?

[vapid gorge]

if there's trains involved , sink before it gets on the train, otherwise you'll probably end up sinking parts you could use

same with any vehicle

I suppose you could sink it at the delivery point too but it'd have to be before a big buffer that catches a bunch of stuff

[ruby shoal]

I'm a little confused on how that helps. I also have two Miners producing 120 Copper total. I only need 40, but I figured I'd just bring it all, smelt what I can use, and sink the rest.

Are you saying sink at the Copper station so that the 'Cargo Box' is always full?

I just don't think I understand why it matters where I do it.

[plucky tusk]

It doesnt matter lol

[vapid gorge]

because your belts can move more items per min than what the train is dropping off. vehicles drop things off in lumps
these loops will flood the system after it
bad placement of sinks can mean sinking items you need

because those belts will be moving things much faster because of the lump deliveries

[plucky tusk]

If you dont wanna sink items you need dont put items you need into sinks

[vapid gorge]

if you flood this system it likely won't make a difference. This is basic layouts for stations in general. It's a good habit to make

[warm granite]

300 m³ crude/min ---> 400 m³ HOR/min ---> 266⅔ m³ Residual Fuel/ min

In over clocked refineries, it's

4 HOR ---> 3 Residual Fuel for a total of 7 over clocked refineries

On just refineries alone.

You could get 800 m³ Fuel/min from 300 m³/min crude oil by diluting it

[vapid gorge]

do you know those are the recipes they are using?

[midnight dove]

i think i managed to make a somewhat efficient system

i need to clean it up some though

[vapid gorge]

build the whole thing on foundations, including the pipes also get rid of the buffers, they'll wreck your flow

and give you no benefit

and it'll probably be easier if you put the refineries and fuel gens on the same grid

[warm granite]

It's true, I don't. I made the assumption alt recipes were researched. This number could be lower with a lower yeild

[vapid gorge]

*completely different numbers.
and they sounded very new so seemed very unlikely they had any of those

[ruby shoal]

I think I understand what you're saying, sort of. Regardless, if it's good practice to sink immediately before or after transport, I'll try to stick to doing that. It should save me having to make a ton of belts going to the sink from every point along the line, so it might be worth it.

[vapid gorge]

well before transport loading

and on delivery, set the overflow before the buffers catching everything. That way there's always a big buffer to catch enough

that way buffers get the priority before sinks

[ruby shoal]

I do currently have a storage container immediately before any processing, but are you saying I should Sink both before loading and after delivery?

[vapid gorge]

just one or the other works

if you want to keep flow flowing

[ruby shoal]

Gotcha. I might do it before loading then, since I have the most space and have to change the least.

Though this sinking won't really prevent my issue of overflow down the line, right? Like this still doesn't really solve me having 80 Caterium ingots when I only need 63. Though I suppose I could just smelt less lol

[vapid gorge]

sinking it before loading you mean? your pre load sink probably won't be sinking anything in that case if youre sinking it at the other end

unless your train doesn't have enough throughput

if you have sinking at your fabrication, and fabrication before train loading, assuming you have enough train throughput, all the overflow will be at the fabrication stage

[ruby shoal]

Ah, see that makes it sound like it'd be best to sink at fabrication.

The train transports raw Caterium from a Miner producing 240/min. I don't know the throughput yet. When the raw Caterium is delivered, it goes into a storage container for a buffer, and then to 8 smelters. I would think I'd want to sink before the storage container, right? That way the train can deliver as much as it can, and excess will be sunk.

This makes sense to keep everything flowing, but I'm still stuck on the smelter issue. 8 smelters was enough to deal with 240 Caterium, which is why I chose 8. It produces 80 ingots, when the next step in production only need 63.

This will inevitably back up, won't it? Do I need another overflow to the sink after the smelters, or will the first one after unloading take care of it?

Maybe I'm vastly overthinking this. I'm able to play the game for like a couple hours, before I randomly get stuck on something I haven't had a problem with before because I've never thought about it.

[vapid gorge]

if you sink before the buffer, it'll back up at the smelters. You can always clock the smelters to only smelt 63

But yeah, seems liek a fair bit of overthinking

[ruby shoal]

I sort of get it. I saw it as sinking was an alternative to clocking machines, since you don't need to clock them properly if extra is being sent somewhere else (the sink). But it seems like just clocking the machines here might save me a fair bit of beltwork

[latent swallow]

how many packagers/unpackagers should i use to transport nitrogen with a train? need ~1000/m and i know the conversion rate is wierd with the gas compression

[tropic hawk]

should is a funny word

If you need to get 1k i/m, then find out how many packagers it would take to package that amount, then multiply by 2 for unpackagers

[latent swallow]

i know it compresses gas to 1/4 it size but 4.1 does not seem right, maybe bc ive never packaged gas before it just seems weird who knows

[vapid gorge]

how much gas are you packaging?

[latent swallow]

nvm it makes sense the gas compression was making me tweak out

bro cant do basic math 💔

[karmic mirage]

aiming to be employee of the galactic quadrant by making a ship conveyorbelt

[tropic hawk]

are you looking to transport 1k packaged Nitrogen, or 1k m^3/min of nitrogen?

[pine cradle]

beginning work on a high yield large scale plastic and rubber refinery, is there anything I should be worried about? I seem to recall some people having problems with the loop with some problem with hidden resevoirs in the refineries being reset

[vapid gorge]

you would have an easier time by splitting the production into plastic and rubber final output

easier to build the set up and don't need any loops

[pine cradle]

even with the better yields of the recycled?

[vapid gorge]

you use the same recipe chains, you just break it down into 2 split plans

just easier to plan the real layout

[latent swallow]

i worked it out, gas compression threw me off and apparently basic math is too hard for me lol

[graceful tundra]

I don't have this exact number ik mind, but it uses around 10 GW and produces 105 GW

[graceful tundra]

Eh, it did 10x my base production

[graceful tundra]

But yeah, those pipes were nightmares

Technically, I'm not using the coal, i could tho

[frosty owl]

Alternative: change your production goals slightly so you can easily split the items however you want.
Eg: aiming for 12.5 motors, you'd need 25 rotors; aiming for 75 rotors, you could easily send 50 to storage by just splitting 75 in 3 and sending one output to Motors and two outputs to storage ^^

[neat bolt]

Ngl, I feel like sp runesun is a much easier calculator than the one from the interactive map
It doesn't try to do anything for you. You tell it how many machines you want that do X recipe at X clockspeed. That's it. I enjoy working the ratios out myself a lot more than the other calculators that come with defaults and just make up production chains.

Dunno if that is just me though

[oblique hollow]

Everyone has their own ideas for factory planning.
Some wanna do the math, others dont.

Some precisely adjust the recipes the calculator can use, others freeform design stuff with modeler or whatever

And some just go spreadsheet mode

[neat bolt]

I just find this a lot more useful and easy to use

And I have yet to find if I even can use two different recipies for the same thing in the other calculators. So far I couldn't.

[oblique hollow]

Most of the time they prefer to use just one recipe by going with the lowest weighted resource usage

[neat bolt]

Yeah, which is alright I guess? But it doesn't help me if I am planning a build somewhere where I am either making some components elsewhere and shipping them in, or just don't have some resources

Here for example, I plan on using remaining resources in the area of our future fuel power plant to make Motors, but I'll be shipping in the Oscillators from elsewhere. I don't want it trying to resolve that for me.

Just having a 'manual' mode would already help on the other one

[unique cypress]

Considering how shit SCIM's planner is, that's a low bar to clear

even Excel is easier to use

[neat bolt]

To me it felt like it tried to be overly helpful

[unique cypress]

nah, it doesn't even try

[neat bolt]

I just hope that Runesun will keep getting kept up to date

[vapid gorge]

SCIM has a great map and not great calc

[vapid gorge]

try tools https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[neat bolt]

eh... still prefer runesun I think... This is good, and probably can do a better job than me at optimizing. but I still prefer choosing each step myself. Even if I miss the visualization that these two give

[vapid gorge]

you get to choose each recipe step in tools as well?

[shrewd tulip]

Just want to check I've got this right: 1 oil extractor on a pure node giving 240 crude oil per minute, feeding 6 each of plastic and rubber refineries. In turn, they provide 180 heavy oil residue per minute, which will go into 3 more refineries, these providing 120 fuel per minute, powering up to 6 fuel generators.
This is, of course, assuming no down time or problems. Sorry if I'm asking dumb questions, I just want to check my maths, which I've never been good at

[wind spade]

SFTools can do that

[vapid gorge]

try sticking it into the planner I linked above, much quicker

than asking others

[shrewd tulip]

I did look at that, I just didn't notice a way to set it to "power 6 generators using these recipes"

Or whatever

[vapid gorge]

divide the fuel by how much each gen takes

generators arent a 'recipe'

[shrewd tulip]

True

[shrewd tulip]

Ok, apparently my calculations were way off, and that setup needs 360 input per minute. Which isn't a major problem, especially if I reduce my desired output, but it does make me wonder where I messed up. So no rush, but if anyone has a moment to tell me where I went wrong at some point, I'd be very appreciative

[vapid gorge]

it's honestly hard to see what you're trying to do with that note

is it just the total fuel made from HOR from 12 rubber/plastic refineries?

[graceful tundra]

why not overclocking the extractor?

[shrewd tulip]

Didn't think I had to when I wrote up my plans

[graceful tundra]

so uuuh

[shrewd tulip]

Honestly, though I was about to come on and say to forget about it, because it seemed I'd messed up the initial splits

[shrewd tulip]

Yes, I'm not sure where I got 6 each from

[graceful tundra]

wait no, that's weird, i don't recall them having the same rates

lemme check in game

[shrewd tulip]

No rush. I'm honestly not sure where my numbers came from, but I'm basically going from the start again XD Though I am curious as to why your thing also has water input? As far as I know, turning heavy oil residue into fuel does not require water?

[vapid gorge]

what is your actual final end product goal on your scribbling? I can't tell

[graceful tundra]

welp, satisfactory modeler is unsurprisingly correct

and what's different is the heavy oil residue

[shrewd tulip]

It was 6 fuel powered generators. But it's clear that I'm not getting that without increased input in the initial plan

[graceful tundra]

would do that with an overclocked extractor

[vapid gorge]

ok so not plastic and rubber?

[shrewd tulip]

I do need them as well, sorry

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=9KmUhn0aeqrnP3bBSP3D

[shrewd tulip]

That's why I went with those recipes

[vapid gorge]

enough for 4 fuel gens but you need 270 oil

did the numbers based on what rubber/plastic you needed

[shrewd tulip]

Thanks. I'll see what I can do. Sorry for taking up so much of everyone's time

[vapid gorge]

no stress. It takes 2 seconds to throw that together on sftools
literally

deciphering the scribbling and needs was the longest part xD

[shrewd tulip]

Especially when I messed up right at the start of my maths XD I'm still not sure where I got the idea for 6 of each XD

[brisk urchin]

get heavy oil residue

[graceful tundra]

that's their factory, not mine

[graceful tundra]

i already have it in my own world

[brisk urchin]

gud gud 👍

[brisk urchin]

try to get nitro rocket fuel

[graceful tundra]

oh, i looked at it, and this factory took me a day of fixing

1. stupid mistakes
2. fluid mechanics

so eeeh idk, i'm not really willing to tinker with it anymore

especially because i could defo start the optimal nuclear power plant with that

[brisk urchin]

i did the same with my old oil rig

then i made a new one

[brisk urchin]

yeah fluids u just gotta learn to perfection, otherwise u will never get a giant factory / power grid going

[graceful tundra]

oh, the thing was theorically perfect

[graceful tundra]

#screenshots message here, what should've worked didn't

but now, i know that running a lot of machines on a maxed pipe isn't a good idea

[vapid gorge]

pipe crimes

more crimes! 😛

[tropic hawk]

im curious, why is the bottom junction here a pipe crime?

[vapid gorge]

splitting a liquid manifold over multiple floors is asking for flow issues

in the second image it looks like they are linking up multiple manifolds for ... no good reason which can also cause a lot of issues if not managed properly and make the whole system much harder to trouble shoot

[graceful tundra]

OH god

[vapid gorge]

like, it's not impossible to split it to multiple elevations, but you have to take care with it

and I don't see the care needed there

[graceful tundra]

prolly just weird pipe physics, i mean, look what i needed to fix my pipes

(in screenshots, sent the message link)

[vapid gorge]

I don't see it?

[graceful tundra]

#screenshots message

[brisk urchin]

this is an intended fluid balancer

not manifold

[vapid gorge]

doesn't seem too bad?

[vapid gorge]

hey, if the system is workign there thats fine, but it's not acting as a balancer

while it's technically possible to balance fluids yo uahve to build them in an
extremely specific way

[plain rivet]

isn't the vertical one rocket fuel

[vapid gorge]

basically like this, completely flat

[plain rivet]

not a liquid

[brisk urchin]

ive calculated the output of every pipe there, 6 of them give me 450 rocket fuel, one gives me 300

and ive built the generators acordingly

[fallow siren]

gassses still have backflow

[vapid gorge]

the gas probably helps with the elevation changes, but branched manifolds can cause issues too

[brisk urchin]

i think im overproducing for about 10 generators if i didnt miscalculate

[graceful tundra]

it's not bad, but it just doesn't make sense

[vapid gorge]

yeah I'd really just clock different manifolds to consume the right amounts. It probably helps you're not near 600

[brisk urchin]

and i have a verry stable network, no fluctuation whatsoever

[vapid gorge]

too dark and cramped for me to see the insanity xD

[brisk urchin]

it is

[vapid gorge]

yeah like I said, the 450 probably helps. But I would not recommend making this a standard operating procedure with pipes

[brisk urchin]

no i will never if i get close to 600

[fallow siren]

i strict myself to 400-500 pipes, made life easier

[brisk urchin]

this was just a mild fix because of the improper fuel production per pipe

[vapid gorge]

450 is still preeeetty high for shenanigans

[vapid gorge]

it is good leeway 🙂

[vapid gorge]

at least that level of shenanigans. Though the gas does help

[plain rivet]

but do gasses want to go down like fluids or do they just want to fill the pipes evenly regardless of elevation?

[vapid gorge]

sleep time though! gn all

[graceful tundra]

there is no insanity, just one additional pipe splitting from a part closer to the back, and merges back where i stood

[graceful tundra]

yeah, learned lessons with that shit, will do too because pipes are funi

[vapid gorge]

enjoy this 😛 (it's actually really simple, just looks weird. Also bottom feeding)

runs at 600 in those pipes

[graceful tundra]

ooooh

[graceful tundra]

yeah i did some bottom feeding somewhere

[fallow siren]

difference with liquid is they try to flow to more empty space while gasses try to split equally

[vapid gorge]

I like the look of bottom feeding and hate not having my pipes hidden. So had to develop some consistent methods. Running 600 bottom feeding pipes smoothly is a bit of a challenge 🙂

this is the base design I used for it, but there's more too it for the whole layout

[graceful tundra]

ooooo

[graceful tundra]

how did you figure the top looping pipe out?

[fallow siren]

btw cobalt, if bottom feeding manifold, does the junction placement matters? like the difference with horizontal and vertical junction

[vapid gorge]

wdym 'top looping pipe out' ?

[vapid gorge]

that is an interesting question. I've got this set up so the initial junction isn't pointing directly down in the hopes that hte down priority at the entrance isn't as hard

and feeding hte top pipe I hope helps stabalise things

[graceful tundra]

you have a pipe that loops

[vapid gorge]

oh you mean a generic loop? that just helps stabalise flow in lots of situation

[graceful tundra]

so you stole the image someone stole you?

[graceful tundra]

hmmmm

[vapid gorge]

yeah xD its funnier having the restolen one 😄

I made this one specifically to help show as a building tool for others

[graceful tundra]

what about outputs?

how do you stabilize outputs?

[vapid gorge]

do whatever you want at the outputs. Unless you're doing absolutely crazy things with the output pipes you won't have issues there

[graceful tundra]

well, apparently this was crazy

[vapid gorge]

I'd have to see the whole layout to comment on that
preferably not dark and crampt

from what I can tell people can always build things with pipes where they'll find an exception

it's just very often unlikely they can replicate it exactly

[graceful tundra]

well, it was fucked up on all three

[graceful tundra]

x16

in a single pipe

before i found the fix

[vapid gorge]

Ah well, I’m literally crawling into bed as I type this 😛 so gn!

[graceful tundra]

oh, welp gn :D

is that a bit too wasteful in caterium?

oh, nvm, i can't fix that

[dawn crater]

yes

you could scale it down to only 1 assembler

[graceful tundra]

is 75/min enough?

[graceful tundra]

i wanted to have as much even ratios as possible

[dawn crater]

the question is are you going to use it a lot?

there is no point in wasting resourses like caterium on stuff you won't use a lot

[unique cypress]

Way more than you'll ever use

[graceful tundra]

hmmmm, 15/min is 0.25/s... that'd be enough, you're right

[graceful tundra]

yeah indeed, thanks for the advice guys :D

[dawn crater]

you can always sloop it for a while

[graceful tundra]

should i scale any of these up?

[graceful tundra]

oooh yeah! should do that, thanks

[dawn crater]

no

[unique cypress]

They're fine imo

[dawn crater]

any type of ammo and nobelist in my opinion shouldn't have more then one machine making them

[graceful tundra]

i think you're right indeed :D time to figure out the underclocks now

[dawn crater]

• fliters and other equipment

[graceful tundra]

mmmh yes filters indeed, i forgot about them

[dawn crater]

i usually just buy these stuff

[graceful tundra]

i want the nut tho

[dawn crater]

in future you will sink so many expensive stuff that there won't a problem

[graceful tundra]

and maybe a fun small project to do after the hell that my turbofuel plant was

[graceful tundra]

in the future i might want this factory disabled so yeah, maybe i'll just have a huge stock being made and then if i ever empty it, buy bonus stuff

[graceful tundra]

a bit hard on the eyes, but would you change anything (i have free plastic from my power plant)

[dawn crater]

i would use fused wire recipy for quickwire

[graceful tundra]

hmmkay

[dawn crater]

you will save some katerium

[graceful tundra]

hmmmm

wait holy fuck

it's great

tysm

[dawn crater]

you can save some coal if you want

if you use fine blackpowder recipe it usues the same amount of sulfur but less coal

[graceful tundra]

yeah i'm using it in that plan

[dawn crater]

didn't see it

[graceful tundra]

here

oh and i had forgotten a few connections

[dawn crater]

you should enable snap to grid

it will make it more organise and easier to plan

[graceful tundra]

any way to not have to manually move every machine for it to work?

[dawn crater]

?

[graceful tundra]

that's gonna be pain

[graceful tundra]

it doesn't auto snap existing machines

[dawn crater]

not really if you know how to do it

[dawn crater]

no but you just have to move in

[graceful tundra]

i mean, yeah, manifold belt would work

[graceful tundra]

move in?

[dawn crater]

it*

i have a lot of machines that make quickwire i know that my belts can trasport 780/min so i just do a maniford

[graceful tundra]

yeah, the pain is more to figure out where those machines will be placed

because qw is being used in both the filters and the rifle ammo

same goes for polymer resin a well

[dawn crater]

make small rooms that each have machines making one resource

[graceful tundra]

hmmmmmm, or several if it's a singular chain

[dawn crater]

for demonstration you need 4 refineries to make iron and 5 to make copper one room for iron and one room for copper refineries

thats how i plan to make my factory making i think 25 items

[graceful tundra]

hmmmm

[graceful tundra]

wait i thought /min, then i understood 25 diff outputs holy shi, can i see the plan for that?

[dawn crater]

#design-and-architecture message

[graceful tundra]

wait, wtf?

[dawn crater]

each outpost if for making one item

[graceful tundra]

why isn't the boost 10% of the prod?

[dawn crater]

so basicly my outpost are my "rooms"

[dawn crater]

did you connect everything?

[graceful tundra]

wait that's actually f- THOSE ARE OUTPUTS?????

[dawn crater]

it looks better with outpost and it easier to look at

[graceful tundra]

hmmmm, not sure how i wired the geothermal gens, but it was 10% before, and i make like 120 MW from a single factory, so it can't be that

[dawn crater]

then idk

[graceful tundra]

the production is after the boost facepalms

[graceful tundra]

yeaah... i don't think its worth it yet for that factory

[graceful tundra]

how do you do the outputs with it?

[dawn crater]

from the outposts?

[graceful tundra]

yep

[dawn crater]

click the plus or while moving the output of the machine drop it on the plus on the symbol (in my case copper wire, this will add more output if you have more machine to that symbol)

[graceful tundra]

OOOOOOH

[fossil egret]

why is the mk3 not double the throughput of the mk2 when the mk4 is 4 times the mk2?

[graceful tundra]

because devs decided so

[analog spoke]

Any tools I can use to organize the amount of mats I extract and then convert? Plus keeping count of my factories and mines ?

[fossil egret]

ther'es exel but you have to build it yourself

[graceful tundra]

@dawn crater sowwy do disturb you but should i dismantle this shitbox making my basic stuff and rebuild here or just move somewhere else, make a less shitty shitbox, and dismantle it later?

[graceful tundra]

satisfactory modeler

[dawn crater]

depends if it meets your consumption

[graceful tundra]

it does tbh

kinda

[bitter grail]

Personally when I need to make new things I just build elsewhere

[graceful tundra]

had to sloop and oc some stuff

[dawn crater]

i would rebuild it if i had miner mk.3

[graceful tundra]

i don't... :/

[bitter grail]

I leave the old stuff to produce the old stuff for depot or for whatever else it is making

[dawn crater]

then wait until you do

[bitter grail]

Also it depends on if you are making a megafactory or plan on doing a bunch of separate factories

[analog spoke]

ty

[graceful tundra]

hmmmm, i don't know yet, i was just frustraded by this unoptimized mess runnning on stock recipes (on top of being a formerly optimised but now messed up by later addition factory, and having a few sloops that i could use

[graceful tundra]

okie, thamk

[graceful tundra]

and when i say it's a mess... i mean it

[bitter grail]

My first true factory is still running and doing its thing where it is and filling supplies for the interdimensional depot. I’ve made the more advanced stuff I’ve been unlocking in separate locations

[graceful tundra]

i don't really want this mess on the same map as that

[graceful tundra]

yep thanks, ended up deciding to delete my starter factory (not that mess, my actual first factory, making smart plating), because that area has every material i need that won't be provided by the little excess i have in my turbofuel setup

[dreamy umbra]

weak "i'll automate rifle ammo and filters" economical player vs STRONG "one million rifle ammo and filters,please" ficsit shop enjoyer

[wind spade]

buying materials is inefficient

[zenith kite]

Русский можно?

[wind spade]

english only server #rules

[dreamy umbra]

нет(no)

[zenith kite]

Sorry

[dreamy umbra]

cannot be bothered to automate rifle ammo and filters

i rely on my factory's point production to supply me with the odd things

[wind spade]

eventually the cost will be very high

[dreamy umbra]

i'm sure my 20k homing rifle ammo will last me until that,but a valid point regardless

my low-level supplies are pretty bad compared to overall production

[dreamy umbra]

the concrete production is quite literally what i started with before phase 1,just overclocked and slooped

actually @wind spade,can you suggest a valid uranium input for nuke nobelisks? i can't decide how much uranium i will delegate to weapons and not power

[wind spade]

honestly, pick any number you want

[dreamy umbra]

600upm it is

[wind spade]

uranium gives so much power that you won't be able to use it all

[dreamy umbra]

another question-is it extremely dangerous to transport uranium ore via drone or just very dangerous?

asking for a friend

[wind spade]

try it and see (but generally no)

[dreamy umbra]

alright

time to get that rocket fuel ready,i guess

[graceful tundra]

ooooo

[graceful tundra]

lol

[graceful tundra]

how much power?

[dreamy umbra]

what power? drone fuel

[graceful tundra]

ooooo

never used drones, and i don't really plan to

[graceful tundra]

are nuke nobelisks really that good? i kinda wanted to make the almost 2 TW uranium power setup using all of the map's uranium

[proud crag]

typically.. in this game, what is the strat for storage? i dont see any filters for conveyor belts or splitters yet, hoping they unlock later on?

just trying to think about the future how to make these more advanced items, dont make a new automation line for each item do u?

[graceful tundra]

You have programabble splitters that can filter a specific item to a specific output

[proud crag]

when do u get those? im at steel rn and dont see it

[graceful tundra]

uuuuh, caterium research iirc, but here's how they look

[proud crag]

ah okay that makes sense then, will make it a lot easier

[graceful tundra]

indeed

[proud crag]

feels very awkward right now without the filter

[graceful tundra]

? what feels weird, i never even used one of these tbh

[proud crag]

well just trying to think towards the future when things start to get a bit more crazy with all the other materials, im only at steel but i've played other automation games and the filters are mvp

can just throw everything on 1 or a few main bus belts and not have 18 belts for each item in the mall

[oblique hollow]

problem is that in those games, main busses work better than in ours

[proud crag]

whats wrong with the ones in satisfactory?

[oblique hollow]

Either the belts have better throughput or resources are temporary or other things

Ours are vers slow in comparison

Main busses tend to work better when they can supply more than a single machine worth of materials, dont they?

[proud crag]

well i can see belts going to 120 items, i assume it probably goes up to 240, eventually what quantity of items do u need?

[oblique hollow]

The very few parts that are made in low enough quantities where you could bus them often dont require bussing around as they only have 1 or 2 uses anyway

[oblique hollow]

120/min is rather slow when some machines make 45/min and consume 30/min

and some just spit out 100/min

or use 100/min
as the belts scale up, frequently you will find recipes that also require equally high throughput

[proud crag]

hmm okay makes sense, so eventually i guess u just need to use every mineral depo

[oblique hollow]

neither

you will need to use every type of material, but you will rarely need to use all the material on the map

its just that some things take it very little and output quite a lot more stuff

[wind spade]

bus is useful for balancing variable production and variable consumption

we have neither in SF

[oblique hollow]

and that too.
All our machines and everything tend to be very static.
so the numbers dont change much and you can just plan them out perfectly

[proud crag]

good to know

thx for the info

[dreamy umbra]

they are FUNNY,and that is IMPORTANT

[dreamy umbra]

homing rifle ammo is also funny and expensiveso i use that

still waiting on explosive rifle ammo btw

[graceful tundra]

WAT

[graceful tundra]

yeah, i want to get it, because i've seen turbo rifle ammo being used, and the chargeup is just too long for me

and homing is an upgrade from regular in every possible way besides cost

[dreamy umbra]

get like 24 tickets and you have rifle ammo for a couple hours of gameplay

[plucky tusk]

Yeah until you run out of tickets and it costs like 4,000,000 per ticket

[graceful tundra]

nawwww, i gotta automate

[dreamy umbra]

6 mil per ticket btw,still buying rifle ammo

[graceful tundra]

i only have like 300 tickets

[dreamy umbra]

[graceful tundra]

and i wanna go on a stuff collecting adventure

[dreamy umbra]

actually i gotta try the factory cart

[dreamy umbra]

i cheated in mercer spheres because it was too time consuming to go gather them,xd

[graceful tundra]

dayum, i make a quarter of that

[dreamy umbra]

didn't know locomotives have regen braking!

[plain rivet]

f1 trains. harvesting power for that qualifying lap

[brisk urchin]

dam realy?

[dreamy umbra]

yeah

[brisk urchin]

ye ok but those litl 8 Mw be so usefull

fr

[dreamy umbra]

also i suggest looking into forces that trains apply to calculate the speed on slopes

[dreamy umbra]

and to not slow down your logistics network with slow trains

[unique cypress]

1 locomotive for every 4 wagons and you're almost always good

[brisk urchin]

is it even a good idea to add more wagons?

[unique cypress]

Depends what you're doing 🤷‍♂️
My longest trains were 2-8, but I do 1 train per item type. I'd need to move a shit ton of resources to need a longer train than that. Especially with the addition of mk6 belts

8 platforms is capable of nearly 14.5k items/min of transfer rate (at stack size 100). You'd need several trains to reach that at any reasonable distance, but still

[dreamy umbra]

mine is also 2-8!
i use those two trains to move about 3060 iron ore/min over about 7km of flat and 2.5km of 2m incline

[dreamy umbra]

overkill,but does the job

[warm blade]

which buildings are not counted to max cons. variable on circuit (it is jumping on its own) ? Also I have peaks of current above max isn't that just a bug ?

[solemn laurel]

For people who uses satis. calculator, when I download a mega blue print is there a way to place it on the map but not fully constructed ? Like a blue print and I build it bc it always paste it fully build without using any ressources

[plucky tusk]

Doubt it

[uncut oracle]

For power production is it worth it to go turbo or rocket fuel? I already got dilute packaged fuel and turbo heavy fuel

[lone jewel]

wait til you unlock nitro rocket fuel

and diluted fuel (with the blender)

144GW production is super simple

1 to 1 machine piping on the production side with the right clocks

[uncut oracle]

Nitro is an alt recipe I’m guessing? And just to double check the diluted your referring to is the 5fuel 10 water?

What’s the program your using for that I’ve never seen it before

[vapid gorge]

diluted can easily get you to nuclear.
doing a bit of turbo to rocket for your jet pack is nice though

[vapid gorge]

probably 'Modeler', it's a very manual program that takes... forever to do things

[uncut oracle]

Ok thank you

[vapid gorge]

I recommend tools https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

you can build that production line in literally 2 seconds

[cyan cypress]

I am phase 4, I want to create some energy with fuel. Should I do it with turbo fuel? What’s the optimal setup.

[vapid gorge]

Entirely up to you. Everything past diluted fuel is easily skipable unless you find it interesting

you could also do blended turbo in the middle of hte map, where there's oil and sulfur next to each other. Makes for much simpler logistics

[cyan cypress]

Also could consider going straight to nuclear right ?

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah def.

even with coal power you could build power storage to help kick start it

[cyan cypress]

Is it correct to say 360/min of turbo fuel is 12K MW of energy

Because that’s a relatively easy setup

[vapid gorge]

if that's what the division of fuel to generators produce? you can say 360 tf outputs 12gw

[cyan cypress]

I’m just trying to see how much energy one pure oil node can get me, overclocked to 300/min. seems like with that I can get 400 turbo fuel/min using the blended recipe

So that’s around 13K MW if I calculated it right

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=9EM8jSo5x0ME3kQHBCEo

or base TF https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=U2ryLYP128Oi5oEmXQgU

whenever you reprocess Fuel you're essentially just turnging other resources into more oil. Since you can always make more fuel with oil if you want

[cyan cypress]

Question, turbo blend fuel produces 45/min, is this the same as 45 m3/min

[vapid gorge]

yeah that's just the unit of fluid

[cyan cypress]

Okay so let me get this straight. A pure oil node produces 600/min, which can be turned to 800 turbo fuel/minute with the blended recipe.

Every 7.5/min of turbo fuel generates 2000 MW. So one pure oil node results in 213,000 MW

[lone jewel]

only if you don't know how to use it effectively, but i will admit it has annoyances and has a learning curve

[lone jewel]

yes, but imo it's completely useless for actually figuring out how to build the production lines

which is what modler lets you do

[vapid gorge]

that doesn't sound right. 1 fuel gen makes 250mw I think

(800/7.5) *250mw

[cyan cypress]

Okay so 26.666K MW/minute

[vapid gorge]

that sounds more reasonable 🙂

[stone jetty]

What is the maximum number of plutonium fuel rods/units one can make? I know the wiki says 30 ish, if you eat some of the uranium fuel rods. But like, how? Using the calculator, how much uranium waste do I add to it, and what would the uranium rods per minute need to be set to? I also want to use the SomerSloops to increase production and any overclocking. All I care about is the maximum plutonium rods per minute.

[vapid gorge]

using sloops the math goes wild. Try to find a post on Reddit or something. Gets even worse if you use SAM

[stone jetty]

I asked the same thing in reddit, hoping to get a answer at some point

[vapid gorge]

You'd have to search the actual posts to see if you had an answer. I don't like your odds of just sitting there waiting for it to drop

people post weird things there all the time

[digital crow]

How can I split 60 down into 5 lots of 12 to go into 5 conveyors? Or would a Manifold be less hassle?

[kindred carbon]

Yes it would be

[frosty owl]

Building-wise, it always is

The "hassle" comes down to: building time (manifold wins) and factory time (balancer wins)

[kindred carbon]

Though to not have issues with how long manifolds take to spool up you need to have some of items already built up

So you can manually fill the machines up

[digital crow]

I got a very long belt of Caterium.

Gonna make quickwire stators but I gotta do some restructuring of my existing setup to cut down on the 480 wire/m

[kindred carbon]

What’s your plan? Why are you splitting a 60 belt into 5 belts

[thorn trail]

1:5 is not bad, split in half then split each half by three, giving you 1:6. Route one of the 6 back into a merger before the initial splitter and you'll have 5 even outputs

[digital crow]

Planning on redoing this entire setup for Quickwire Stators and Automated Wiring

[thorn trail]

note that your belt capacity will need to be able to handle the extra throughput on the belt between the merger and the splitter

[kindred carbon]

Yea you should manifold it

Not worth the time balancing

[digital crow]

Fair Enough, I made this early enough that it needs redoing anyways

[unique cypress]

You can make a full capacity 1:5 by using a 2:6 as a base

[kindred carbon]

https://satisfactory-logistics.xyz/factories/calculator/shared/m5nY2RFnxBT7zwXctdeY85

What do you guys think?

I assume I’m using all the correct recipes here

[wind spade]

"correct" is subjective 😛

[unique cypress]

Just enable all recipes and it'll tell you? That's literally what optimizers are for

[quick gorge]

Long shot but equations are math. Quantum equations are still math... Meta, now for this instance I'm going to incorrectly interpret that as referring to itself.

With that bullshit said I've been looking around for someone to make a fake quantum equation to explain how the Alien Power Augmenter works.
Not what the wiki has
Power multiplier = 0.1 × Unfueled APAs + 0.3 × Fueled APAs
But what FICSIT scientists would actually be putting on whiteboards to "solve" what alien quantum mumbo-jumbo is happening that lead to the development of the power augmenter and extension the power matrices.

-# The only way to see if we have any quantum nerds in here to to observe it

[graceful tundra]

@cold lynx stiched iron plates

cast screw just remove the needs for rods

[wind spade]

which removes possiblity to use steel rods 😦

[graceful tundra]

eh, i'd rather use stiched iron plates tbh, and i'm not sure they have steel yet

[wind spade]

I'm not saying for RIPs

but in general, cast screws may skip a step, but that step allows for great resource saving

[graceful tundra]

yeah, true tbh, but damn i never realised how good stiched iron plate is

(it's 1200 iron ore, the 1 was cut)

[graceful tundra]

but yeah, i'm all for more steps if it uses less ressources ususally

[unique cypress]

The only recipe that uses screws and is actually worth using is copper rotor. In all other cases, if it uses screws, it's just bad compared to another recipe that doesn't

[graceful tundra]

hmmm, so steel rotor is convenient but not the best?

[unique cypress]

Correct. Copper rotor uses copper, which means it's not directly comparable, but it uses very little copper and iron if you use pure ingot and steamed sheets