math-and-meta

[smoky aurora]

like DD Alubar 2400 Off

[vapid gorge]

signs. paper. excell. you know typical things for notes

on the train station sign

[smoky aurora]

Dune Desseert gets 2500 Aluminium Bar unloaded

[quartz pasture]

Got an example excel that shows solid relational data?

[pastel obsidian]

You can name the stations

[quartz pasture]

this is my current method. it's just a little ugly

[vapid gorge]

station name, numbers involved

[smoky aurora]

like this

[quartz pasture]

Hmm

I kinda wanna keep my train station names how I've got them

It makes the game feel more "alive"

[vapid gorge]

in the sheet. write a station name. Have a number

[pastel obsidian]

Item name - facility name - in/out

[smoky aurora]

so u need to search for the Product u need and will find station in the list

[vapid gorge]

or an extra sign somewhere near the station.

[smoky aurora]

above 50 or so its only getting numbers

setting new station gains me "Station 114" 😄

[proven pawn]

does anyone here use roads as one of their main logistics for their factories?

[wind spade]

natural roads 🙂

[upbeat summit]

how does this make sense?
the website is using the normal screw recipie, even though i have the cast screw recipie unlocked...

[proven pawn]

check if you have the checkbox for that alt recipe unlocked
go to recipies and look there

[upbeat summit]

wouldn't increasing steel ingot and producing ast screw make more sense

yeah i did chck the cast screw

[wind spade]

cast screws don't increase anything

also, are you using maximise?

[upbeat summit]

nope, i'm just giving it the final output of what the assembler produces, don't want maxed

[wind spade]

share your production line

[wind spade]

using the blue share button

[upbeat summit]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=dbdoiw0WqJ8OxPNSLrc0

[torn plaza]

steel rod to screw is best to maximise screws

[wind spade]

it's using steel rod, which can't be used with cast screws

[upbeat summit]

yeah i know that

[wind spade]

well "best"

[upbeat summit]

alt recipie isn't better?

even though it's 50/min instead of 40/min

[wind spade]

"better" is subjective 🙂

[wind spade]

that just changes amount of machines you need to build

but you're still converting same amount of ingots into same amount of screws

[upbeat summit]

hmm ok

[torn plaza]

it gets the most screws out of the least iron, which is why tools picked it

[upbeat summit]

man i currently have 600 iron ore/min produced, from where do i get 240 more 😢

[torn plaza]

I think it's better than steel screws in that regard too

[wind spade]

but again, what you consider "best" differs from person to person, so don't blame the tool for not seeing into your mind 🙂

if you don't want to use a recipe, disable it so that Tools won't use it

[upbeat summit]

ohhk i get it

[torn plaza]

consider not using steel pipe

that will reduce iron needs

er

[upbeat summit]

nah i'm not blaming the tool, i was questioning why it took that choice as i had another wrong picture in mind

[torn plaza]

iron pipe rather. iron pipe uses Lot of iron

[vapid gorge]

steel rod to screw is cheaper

[torn plaza]

regular default steel pipe uses less iron, moulded steel pipe even less

[wind spade]

Tools optimise for weighted raw resources (which already is a bit subjective, but imo decent "generic" goal)

so it will pick the "cheapest" option (based on the Tool's preferences)

[vapid gorge]

narrow down your recipes to force the tool to do what you want. tailor it to yourself

[torn plaza]

there should be a combination of alts that drops your iron needs below 600

and said combination will almost certainly involve steel rod to screws

[upbeat summit]

many hard drive that i find are in the area where that radioactive hog guards

that makes things tough

[torn plaza]

the answer?
use a gun

and if that don't work?
use more gun

[upbeat summit]

rebar?

i guess i need to unlock explosive rebar

also when i unlock the radars, do they give me the location of undiscovered hard drives as well?

[torn plaza]

yeah that's mvp

they do not, only the scanner can direct you

[upbeat summit]

i thought that thing was useless lmao

[torn plaza]

the radar will tell you how many hard drives are within its raidus, not where they are

[upbeat summit]

ohh

[torn plaza]

the scanner will point you in the direction of the nearest hard drive or whatever you tell it to

assuming you have that unlocked in the MAM

[upbeat summit]

that's nice, i'll look into that

[torn plaza]

you can also "cheat" and use satisfactory tools to see a map of hard drives, that's totally up to you

er, satisfactory calculator interactive map

sorry I'm really scrambled lately

[upbeat summit]

where is it in satisfactorytools

i only find the calculator/ schematics

[vapid gorge]

satisfactory calc is a different web page and a 100% exploration spoiler

[torn plaza]

ye

you have been warned

[upbeat summit]

i don't mind spoilers for this game xD

[vapid gorge]

ok

[upbeat summit]

thanks for the help guys

one more thing, would it be dumb to bring the iron ore from the pure nodes all the way to almost near the marked spot?XD

[fallow siren]

iron is everywhere, you will easily find some nodes to produce more 240/min

[upbeat summit]

yeah i just looked at the map and found 3 pure iron nodes

just questioning the best way to get them from there to my base

[fallow siren]

also, you can always overclock your miner to get more resource/min, granted if you have the correct belt for it

[upbeat summit]

cuz i'm pretty sure that terrian is bad bad esp for trucks

[wind spade]

build at nodes 🙂

[torn plaza]

a truck would need to go south and circle around

[upbeat summit]

hmm, i might trying overclocking to see if that helps solving the problem

[torn plaza]

overclock miners, get more iron

another option is to accept a lower production

[upbeat summit]

maybe train time

[vapid gorge]

why not process them first? it condenses it down

[torn plaza]

you probably don't need as many of what you're building

reduce your target output to fit within nearby resources

[upbeat summit]

so get say the pipes/ screws to the main base?

[vapid gorge]

well pipes

screws expand and are harder to move

[torn plaza]

as few as 2 or 4 of a thing per minute is more than enough for your needs

[upbeat summit]

yeah that can work

[vapid gorge]

make screws right in front of hte machine that needs them

[upbeat summit]

alr

[pastel obsidian]

You can just use a long belt and see if you wan to make trucks or trains later

[alpine steeple]

should i use blenders or refineries to make diluted fuel? believe they have the same output (it doubles the heavy oil residue)

[dusky dust]

It's the same material ratios either way. If you have Blenders unlocked, use Blenders for sure

The Diluted Packaged Fuel recipe is mostly just for when you're in Phase 3 still and don't have the Blenders unlocked

[alpine steeple]

ohhhh

[dusky dust]

You can fit a 1x Refinery + 2x Packager Diluted Packaged Fuel closed loop inside a 4x4 blueprint, and even have the Empty Canisters pre-filled in the Packager, so you can set it down as if it was just a mini-Blender with a single click

And it's kind of fun to see the packages zipping around in one of those

But yeah, if you've already got Blenders then the non-packaged version is the way to go.

[alpine steeple]

was going to unlock blenders to do it but i prob wont

(woulda had to rush the elevator parts)

[dusky dust]

Yeah, once you've got your blueprint, the Packaged version is just as easy

The one real caveat is that it helps to have Empty Canisters automated so that they can be part of the blueprint

[restive sparrow]

Holy crap you can fill machines in blueprints? That's incredible!

[dusky dust]

And you need more of them than you would Blenders; the Blender recipes outputs at 100/min, whereas the Packaged version does 60/min

[dusky dust]

Yeah, Blueprints will remember literally everything about the machine config. Quite handy! I remember being similarly impressed when I learned about that. :)

[alpine steeple]

doesnt it take like 75mw to like 40mw?

[dusky dust]

Each individual 1xRefinery/2xPackager loop takes less power than a single Blender, but you need more of them, so the Packaged version ends up needing slightly more power overall

It's pretty negligible, though

[alpine steeple]

ohhh

forgot about the intial packager

ugh i hate belt speed sometimes

[opaque quartz]

You can pre-load shards and clock machines in blueprints too. Super handy when building lots of fuel or nuclear generators

[restive sparrow]

I've honestly not gotten into using power shards a lot yet. Any general advice? I've used it in a couple of tight spots where my first base had no ratios planned so I needed to clock to even things out, but I'm trying to imagine where it comes into play as a direct part of the plan.

I'm just about to build my first oil-tier factory. Since oil is a pretty limited resource does it make sense to plan on extracting overclocked?

There are no set-in-stone rules, but I'm curious for opinions:

When does overclocking become part of the plan for you? (I'm not talking about minor overclocks to bring a fraction in a planner up to an integer, but broad overclocking across the board)

[outer vale]

tbh I tend to overclock most extraction

not so much water since it's not particularly limited, but I did for my nuclear due to sheer volume

[restive sparrow]

That totally makes sense as extraction is a general bottleneck.

[outer vale]

I tend not to overclock actual production buildings because I'm happy enough just building more usually... trying to break that habit with this factory, but it's a struggle lol

[dusky dust]

Yeah, I suspect that most overclocking is just done on miners/extractors/pressurizers. Second place would be in power generators (particularly Fuel Gens or Nuclear Plants) to save on space. And then sometimes folks just want to save space while building as well, but I'm guessing that's less popular

[outer vale]

yeah my rocket fuel and nuclear plants both OC the gens

[opaque quartz]

Especially with fuel gens it can significantly cut down on space and build time needed

[restive sparrow]

You guys generally overclock the full 250% on extractors? I feel it would be nice to suck the value out of the resource but the math on 250% is so much less straight forward than simply "build twice as much"

[outer vale]

the only other thing I routinely overclock are the crate-fed semi-automation buildings back at base, along with sloops. For things like slugs and one-off production that I probably shouldn't have

[outer vale]

I clock based on what the factory wants

[opaque quartz]

“It depends”

[dusky dust]

I just overclock to meet my current needs (as Meindratheal beat me to. :)

[outer vale]

if it wants 600/min, sure I'll 250%. If it needs 480, then 200% Need 413.88, overclock to whatever that wanted

[restive sparrow]

Yeah I guess I am first thinkin in the case of like power generators where you're building a plan to fill the capacity of the resource coming in.

[outer vale]

well for gens you'd be building half as much if 200% OC

[restive sparrow]

I meant you'd have to build twice as many gens to account for overclocking the extractor

[outer vale]

sure, but that has no impact on my decision to OC the extractor

what determines that, is how much my plan says I need

[restive sparrow]

Right, I guess just for power I think less in terms of "how much power do I need" (mostly cause early/mid game the answer is always going to be "more") and I think more in terms of "how much can I get out of the resources available to this area".

[outer vale]

I don't look at a node and think "what could I make with this", I think "okay I need rocket fuel, let's draw up a plan, mess with numbers. right, that need 600 sulphur, so I'll 250% OC a pure"

[restive sparrow]

For production it becomes a lot more output quantity oriented for me.

[wind spade]

generally solving backwards is recommended

[outer vale]

for basic coal/fuel setups, I just work with what I can extract

[restive sparrow]

Again, I just feel that loses some sense in mid game when it comes to power gen. I feel like "available power" is an input to the solve for part production. You can always build more power but I'd gauge available power by how much I can extract from a particular location.

[outer vale]

in that case the available power is full 250% OC on the relevant nodes

(assuming belts can handle it)

[restive sparrow]

As a for instance I was taking for granted I was limited to 2400MW with my coal plant that has 4 coal nodes, because I'm a goober and forgot about OCing extractors.

[wind spade]

power sure, but not production

[restive sparrow]

Totally aligned with you there.

[outer vale]

so going back to the question of "how do you decide what to overclock", for early power it's generally just "yes" lol

[restive sparrow]

Yeah totally. This is just the revelation I'm coming to now. Wow. I completely forgot about overclocking

[outer vale]

again with the caveat of "as long as your belt can handle it", and to keep the nice ratios I'd probably stick to multiples of 120 coal overall where possible

[restive sparrow]

My 32 generator lake can turn into an 80 generator lake 🤯

[outer vale]

but for oil I definitely do work with full OC in mind

[restive sparrow]

so x2 is easier modularity of 8-up generators for coal, but interestingly that 4-coal-node setup all at 250%...that extra 50% from each node that kinda messes up your math turns into a nice convenient extra 200%.

[outer vale]

even without, it's not too difficult to solve, just make half a module for the extra 50%

or consider other module setups (and mix and match)

1 water extractor at 75% does 2 coal gens

[lapis jetty]

for starting a new oil powerplant am i missing anything

Ik i need pipes

[alpine steeple]

hella motors

[lapis jetty]

I have 200

[opaque quartz]

You’re gonna hopefully make way more than 2 fuel gens

[oblique hollow]

Do you have enough steel, copper and iron?

[lapis jetty]

Ik this is just to setup a power plant so i can add more as i need them

[opaque quartz]

Are you making the todo list to try and have enough in inventory before you start building?

[lapis jetty]

I have all the resources i need

[opaque quartz]

Do you have dimensional depots going?

[lapis jetty]

I have one and its just got plastic as it takes ages to get it from the factory

[opaque quartz]

Find more spheres. Set up a depot uploader on each build resource

Iron plates, concrete, motors, etc

[lapis jetty]

Smart

I just need a lot of orbs

[opaque quartz]

There’s nearly 300 on the map

[lapis jetty]

I have 8

[dusky dust]

You've got some huntin' to do, then! :)

[lapis jetty]

I should probably have a tracker of the factories i have because I actually can't remember

Why can some of my dimensional thingys hold 400 and others 200

[magic dock]

It allows a certain amount of stacks per item (Based on Mam research)

So then you probably can have 2 stacks at the moment where one item has a stack size of 200 and the other only 100

[lapis jetty]

Okay

I have done the dimensional thing in the wrong order because i keep running out of the things i need to make them

[opaque quartz]

It’s items per stack. The stack size is different based on item

Same as in inventory

For example, a stack of concrete is 500, a stack of iron plates is 100

[lapis jetty]

Okay

There is a dismantle crate that seems to be invisible

[opaque quartz]

To start with, the dimensional depot can hold one stack per item type

[lapis jetty]

It was inside the floor

[opaque quartz]

The uploaders (the things you build w the spheres) replenish the cloud inventory. Building more of them increases how quickly you can replenish but it does not increase inventory size itself. Only the MAM upgrades do that

[lapis jetty]

So i should invest time in mam upgrade

[opaque quartz]

IMHO do it opportunistically as you have the spheres available

The upload-from-inventory is a super helpful one-time unlock

The whole point here is that having dimensional depots saves you from having to run back and forth to get building supplies. Super handy as you start to expand across the map

[lapis jetty]

Okay

[opaque quartz]

A few good exploration jaunts should net you a lot of spheres, slugs, and drives. A good way to spend your time while waiting on factories to build things

[lapis jetty]

Fair enough

All but one of my factories that I know i have now have a dimension thingy

[fierce ruin]

uhm is biomas good for eletrcity or wood just

[fierce ruin]

yep, biomass burns slower making it last longer

[fierce ruin]

ohh okeee

works with mk2 pipes? got 720 fuel/min i need deilvering to 36 fuel gens

[oblique hollow]

720 split in 2 mk 2 pipes works fine

[opaque quartz]

IMHO split your generators into groups rather than trying to mash them all together

[oblique hollow]

360 per pipe

[fierce ruin]

alright

now ill try and see how i can squeeze them in

[opaque quartz]

So 18 gens per pipe of 360

[hoary wigeon]

need your honest opinions, does this seems like an actual good idea to use as little oil as possible ?

[outer vale]

bold of you to assume that's readable

resin into plastic isn't the usual choice

[fierce ruin]

is this okay build

[hoary wigeon]

im trying to improve as much as possible the production of AI expention servers to hit around 200 per minutes, but rn im hitting an oil problem after i managed to trim down everything else, not really sure how i could do that tho

[outer vale]

how much rubber/plastic/fuel do you need for that?

[hoary wigeon]

lemme count it

[outer vale]

fwiw Tools makes a plan for 200 AI Expansion Servers using only ~6300 oil, without fiddling with recipes manually

[fierce ruin]

4 smelters can handle 120 iron/copper per min so if thats what youre doing then yeah

what are the constructors making

[outer vale]

you can expand 1 oil into any combination of 3 fuel, rubber, plastic

[fierce ruin]

i only have 1 miner to one of my smelters

[fierce ruin]

how much is the miner in the pic mining?

[hoary wigeon]

6800 rubber and 11696,43 plastics

[fierce ruin]

uhm 120

yep so thats good

dont worry about perfect efficiency at this stage btw

[fierce ruin]

who needs that much rubber and plastic

[fierce ruin]

okay 🙂

[outer vale]

the person above

[hoary wigeon]

me hi hello

[fierce ruin]

oh god

[civic bronze]

You could put storage container for items you are making there too

[outer vale]

dunno why that plastic output is rounding like that

but that's the gist of it

[hoary wigeon]

also jeez thats so efficient, thanks a lot i will steal it

[outer vale]

the holy... quadrifecta?

[fierce ruin]

Can i

[outer vale]

Heavy OIl Residue, Diluted [Packaged] Fuel, Recycled Rubber, Recycled Plastic

basically triples your oil

[hoary wigeon]

i'll import it into my funny map and report back after eating

[outer vale]

though obviously it's more complicated, especially when you're working beyond belt/pipe limits

[hoary wigeon]

yeah i will totally have fun modifying this

[fierce ruin]

Oh my

[fierce ruin]

what is this even making lol

[outer vale]

could always use Tools, though granted it's not much more readable here

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=xv6j8J4UnmTleOFUyDYF

tweak recipes as needed, I just turned on every alt instead of hunting for those oil ones

[fierce ruin]

going to be fun trying to fit 36 fuel gens here

i could use power shards to half that but like

thatd be unnecessary

[civic bronze]

36 is fine, you got this

[outer vale]

that's where my rocket fuel went

[hoary wigeon]

200 ai expention servers

[fierce ruin]

oh

[hoary wigeon]

my god you're a god damn genious it WORKS so well

[opaque quartz]

Build vertical. Using shards to the reduce the generator count is also completely reasonable

[opaque quartz]

The recycled plastic/rubber loop is ridiculous

[hoary wigeon]

inputs required to make 200 AI expention servers is actually doable wtf

52 000 concretes tho

[fierce ruin]

i have been able to fit 18 so far, by having 3 sets of 6

[hoary wigeon]

i had tried to use it but the setup meindratheal gave me is even more efficient

welp i'll have some fun

if y'all want to take a peep at the horrors i planned (its with the satisfactory calculator on steam), but i think im pretty much done with it now

this will be the end of me D:

[lapis jetty]

This is looking like its a thingy thats going to take ages to makr

[civic bronze]

I can't see numbers

[lapis jetty]

Just see them

[civic bronze]

If you have any you could use some alternative recipes

[lapis jetty]

I can try to get some

[hoary wigeon]

1837 refineries alone, i will die

[dreamy nimbus]

I prefer dealing with a lot of simple machines than a lot of refinieries with byproduct etc...

[outer vale]

that is the recycled loop, fwiw

you can tweak it to get different ratios of rubber, plastic and fuel out

the main thing is that it always starts by making rubber with the resin, not plastic

[hoary wigeon]

mmmm alr

i mean fuel is fully useless for me

[outer vale]

yeah it often isn't used as one of the outputs, but it can be

[hoary wigeon]

but yeah with this funny setup its actually doable which is really nice to see

[outer vale]

hopefully there's enough resources left to make the power you'll need for it

[hoary wigeon]

oh yeah dw i did things correctly for that too

[outer vale]

looking at the Tools plan it actually doesn't use tons of much except SAM and Bauxite, so nuclear's easily doable

[hoary wigeon]

didnt use any sulfur, and my setup for maximum nuclear power only uses a few things

like it doesnt use bauxite nor SAM

only thing that could be a problem would be caterium but that can be replaced by more copper

[hoary wigeon]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_NuclearWaste_C"%3A"720"%2C"input"%3A{"Desc_Sulfur_C"%3A"600.1"%2C"Desc_OreUranium_C"%3A"600.1"}%2C"altRecipes"%3A["Recipe_Alternate_WetConcrete_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_SteamedCopperSheet_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PureQuartzCrystal_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PureIronIngot_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PureCopperIngot_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_PureCateriumIngot_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_FusedWire_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_SteelPipe_Iron_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_UraniumCell_1_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_Silica_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_Screw_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_Quickwire_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_NuclearFuelRod_1_C"]}
i used this power setup to create all the uranium fuel rods, should be low enough in ressources to get all the uranium in the world and some more, what do you think ?

[tawdry blade]

someone told me its possible to get the coveyor-lift... hole? placed directly on top of the lift, without the need to dismantle it. So, if that is possible, how do I do it?

[outer vale]

nudge it?

(or just place it first and attach the lifts to it like you're support to 😛 )

[fierce ruin]

is this okay base, i managed to build something, took quite long for the floors XD

[outer vale]

does it work, and do you like it?

you don't need validation from us at every turn 😛

[fierce ruin]

yeah it works.. i hope lol

[outer vale]

it is good to see you've used foundations already, they do make building easier

[fierce ruin]

yeah i realised

took me so long to build them

i dont know what to else build

[outer vale]

whatever will help with your next milestones

there's also an objective in the top-right

[fierce ruin]

oh ye i see

[civic bronze]

Looks great, watch out for that tall creature on the left, he's a spy from ficsit, recording your progress

[fierce ruin]

WHAT?!?🥲

i can see that now..

he so bouncy

[crimson moat]

simple coal gen setup w/ underclocking (unlocked with a blue power slug research if you don't have it)

1 extractor (100%) and 40 coal inputting to 3 gens @ 88.8888%

(generator clock 88.8888%)

you can tile 3 of these in a row to utilise 120 coal, or 6 of them to utilise 240 coal

Only requires 40% of a mk.1 pipe so basically completely immune to backflow or restriction

[civic bronze]

What about mk3 miner on impure node

It will work for 600 and 1200 tho, pretty nice

Tbh once u have mk3 miner i dont think coal gens are important, sry im sleepy

[crimson moat]

ye 😄 if you have a mk3 miner you can probably figure out how to put your 600-1200 coal into gens 😄

Here it is tiled for 120 coal

For the elevated splitter, you do this

and then this

birdseye

[civic bronze]

I may be crazy but even tho i know this i still place splitters first, then connect each one, i just like them in-line with pipes

[fierce ruin]

is this how everyone sets up theirs is this correct?

reinforced plates

[crimson moat]

there are a million ways 😄

[fierce ruin]

million?!?

[outer vale]

lowballing it, there's ~infinite ways

I'd highly recommend just to keep playing

don't worry about what anyone else would do

[wind spade]

sharing progress is fine, but it's kinda weird to ask if you're doing it right, since there's no right (or wrong) 🙂

[olive cedar]

i need to split a cast iron screw line of 100 per min into 60/min and 40/min

is there a way to load balance or do i jusdt manifold

[fierce ruin]

oh

[wind spade]

build two machines, one making 40, one making 60

[olive cedar]

im sad to say i didn't think of this

ty

[wind spade]

(and yeah, otherwise a manifold, or in this case single splitter, would do the job just fine)

[viral sparrow]

you can also do 40 40 20 and merge the 40 and 20 if you dont have power shards

[outer vale]

or 40 30 30 for slightly lower power usage 😛

or 0.04 0.04 0.04 0.04 0.04 ...

[torn plaza]

it's neat and orderly, therefore it's right

[fierce ruin]

woo! first 18 gens are online and stable. now to do the same thing again

i love oil

[lapis jetty]

On satisfactory calculator how do i set it so it doesn't use a certain building cuz i dont have mk3 miners yet

[civic bronze]

I recommend Sftools honestly

[outer vale]

just pretend it means 2 mk2s?

doesn't really matter where you source your ores from, as long as you have enough

[lapis jetty]

Anyone know where i can find copper, iron and coal in close proximity

[outer vale]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[lusty horizon]

hey guys, is my first game and I'm having issues with the water and I don't know how to solve it:(

I have 8 water extractors, 4 for the beginning of the carbon line, and 4 for the end. I have 8 water extractors, 4 for the beginning of the coal line, and 4 for the end. this is for 12 coal generators, 8 at 150%.

[fierce ruin]

you only need 3 water extractors for 8 coal gens

i dont really know the maths with 12 coal gens though

[dreamy nimbus]

4.5

[lusty horizon]

yes, i know i need less but still the water is running out i don't understand why

[outer vale]

probably exceeding pipe limits

[dreamy nimbus]

then you need more

probably too, just do simple thigns

[lusty horizon]

I understand that it must be the way the pipes are laid, because I have about 400m3 of water left over.

[outer vale]

you've effectively got 16 coal gens, so 6 extractors should supply that

but don't forget that a mk1 pipe can only support 300/min

[lusty horizon]

oh ok, I will chek all the pipes again and do the maths, thanks

[outer vale]

!wikisearch cg

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[outer vale]

some suggested layouts for 8 gens with 3 extractors

[glass harness]

720 water consumed. you need 3x mk1 pipes or 2x mk2 pipes

[lapis jetty]

I should probably fix this

[lusty horizon]

thanks!

[lapis jetty]

I was producing more residue than my factory could process so my refineries weren't creating enough fuel for all my power gens

[dreamy nimbus]

bitcoin curve

[lapis jetty]

And what

Currently im filling a fluid buffer with fuel because two of my power gens aren't getting fuel even though im producing 120 fuel and only using 80

[wind spade]

buffer won't help

[lapis jetty]

Well then im still getting power if my refineries stop working again

[torn plaza]

buffers will only delay a factory backing up

need to make sure you use everything you make

also you can try turning generators off until the pipes fill up

a buffer will just make that take longer

[lapis jetty]

i did this

powerplant btw

[torn plaza]

then give it time, it'll fill

sink excess polymer resin

if you don't need it for plastic or rubber, just sink it

[lapis jetty]

Im using the 3rd refinery for rubber

[torn plaza]

does it use all your resin?

[lapis jetty]

No

[wind spade]

make sure they won't stop then. And use priority power switches or something as a proper solution rather than a buffer

[lapis jetty]

Thats why i have the industry thingy

[torn plaza]

then you definitely need to sink the excess resin

[wind spade]

buffers/containers are never a solution for this. Sink excess

[torn plaza]

if you already have rubber and plastic made somewhere else, you can get away with just sinking all that resin for now

use it later when you need it

[lapis jetty]

Its my only rubber production

[torn plaza]

then we'd better plan this out

what about plastic?

[lapis jetty]

I have a separate thing making plastic

And fuel for my jetpack

[torn plaza]

then you need this

that will use all the extra resin and make sure the fuel will run forever

[lapis jetty]

I just have the polymer thingy on a splitter into the sink and thats working

[lusty horizon]

thanks guys, it seems is working for now, thank you for help

[torn plaza]

ah you're already sinking it

[lapis jetty]

I just started

I think the fuel is sorted

[oblique flame]

I'm looking to maximize my uranium usage, without going silly with SAM or Sloops, is the max for that still 50.4 Uranium fuel rods per minute and 22.4 Plutonium fuel rods per minute?

[vapid gorge]

I don't think you could ever do both. But you could check the wiki

the main recipe that ups the p rod output needs uranium so you can't do 50.4

[torn plaza]

maximising plutonium fuel rods means making fewer uranium fuel rods

[oblique flame]

bsicaly i just want 100% of my uranium wastage to be able to be turned into plutonium

[torn plaza]

tools tells me maximising uranium fuel rods with all alts yields 50.4

using SAM, that goes up to 256.32

by converting a bunch of shit to uranium

there are too many machines in this for sloops to help in any meaningful way

like. this is just crazy talk. do not do this

[vapid gorge]

that's fine, max uranium rods is 50.4 and you can turn all the waste to prods no issue

nothing ever stops you from that

[queen lintel]

is this normal? why do they all have that exclamation mark? it also happened on most of my saves except the few ones on which I have like 2 hours

[glass harness]

Isnt that "not backed up to cloud" warning or do you get an actual reason?

[queen lintel]

ok so I'm noticing that all saves have that exclamation mark except a few random ones, mostly old saves or ones with very few hours

[queen lintel]

Steam says it's fine but I'm not sure

ohh it says it has something to do with mods

[thorn trail]

pretty sure the icon is a generic warning, I get that icon when trying to load a save where the mods used in the game have been uninstalled

[queen lintel]

it says some are missing even though I never uninstalled them, imma check that

[remote mason]

@vapid gorge

[thorn trail]

i get the specific warning when the game tries to load

[vapid gorge]

this bit seems fine, pictures of the next part?

[queen lintel]

it's nothing major, just an unneeded library mod it seems

[fierce ruin]

i managed to ehm get good at this game

[remote mason]

here

[vapid gorge]

your head lift is fine

you have other issues

[vapid gorge]

2 questions:

1. how much water are you pumping into that pipe?
2. how much water can the mk1 pipe tool tip says it can move?

[remote mason]

360 and 300

[vapid gorge]

can you fit 360 of something in a container that can only hold 300?

[remote mason]

if you squeeze hard enough

[vapid gorge]

it's very early in the morning here

in any case you need more than one pipe

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

some common beginner friendly layouts

also build on foundations

[opaque quartz]

You can build the coal gens on foundations over the water to make your plumbing significantly easier

[remote mason]

@vapid gorge and i'm assuming there's two pipelines across most of the dotted lines?

[vapid gorge]

the dotted lines are pipes yes

these are just examples, essentially just shows you you need at least 2 input pipes

also don't try to load balance fluids, it doesn't work

[quaint condor]

If I know the amount of input I want, what's the formula to find out the output amount or oc amount?

[opaque quartz]

Look at the recipe

You can also plug the numbers into a machine and have it calculate it

What are you trying to do?

[quaint condor]

You can only plug numbers in for output or OC amount(formula)

[opaque quartz]

You can plug input numbers too

But you can’t put in bigger numbers unless you load shards in the machine first

[vapid gorge]

total input / input recipe needs = total clocking a system needs

[lapis jetty]

my motor factory is smaller than i expected

[vapid gorge]

300 ore pm / 30 ore pm = 10 machines (1000% clocking)

[lapis jetty]

i will oc tmr

[quaint condor]

basically I have 3780 alu scrap I want to spread evenly across 26 smelters. Which, I know 3780/26 smelters (all at 250%)= 145.3846153846154. I am also aware that the game rounds to the nearest fourth. You can't plug numbers in for expected input. Only production amount and OC amount. I am also aware that you can plug a formula into the OC amount, I just can't remember the formula.

[vapid gorge]

well first of all you can't do that in one group

do you have mk6 belts yet?

[quaint condor]

One group?

[vapid gorge]

you can't put 3780 scrap pm on 1 belt right?

[quaint condor]

Yes, saved the day numerous times already. This is a creative save.

[quaint condor]

No, that's not the issue.

[opaque quartz]

Using pure aluminum ingot recipe?

[vapid gorge]

round up the 4th decimal, that's all you need to worr yabout

[quaint condor]

🤦‍♂️

[vapid gorge]

? it'll process everything and like... once every 10,000 hours you'll get a yellow light you'll never notice

[opaque quartz]

@quaint condor put three power shards in your smelter and set the input to 145.whatever

It will calculate the percentage for you

[quaint condor]

I "could" also just run 25 at normal full 250 oc and underclock the last one .... But that is not what I am asking ...

[vapid gorge]

it's super not clear what you're asking

[quaint condor]

You, cannot, enter, the, input, on, a, machine.

[vapid gorge]

so?

[fierce ruin]

how does coal work, i just unlocked it

[vapid gorge]

depends what you want to do with it

[quaint condor]

Again, only OC limit and production amount.

[fierce ruin]

im not sure my self

[opaque quartz]

Look at your milestones

[vapid gorge]

well you can use it for power. Find some coal next to water to burn it in coal gens
or use foundries with iron ore and coal to make steel 🙂

[fierce ruin]

where do i access all my milestones and past completed

[opaque quartz]

Alight so you need to figure out the percentage

[vapid gorge]

hub

[opaque quartz]

In the hub

[fierce ruin]

OH coal powers, is that auto?

[opaque quartz]

145.whatever / 60 = ?

Multiply that number by 100 to get it as a percentage. That’s your OC. Will be somewhere in the neighborhood of 241%

[fierce ruin]

OC?

[opaque quartz]

I’m talking to Tinker. OC means overclock

[fierce ruin]

ohhh

im sorry

[opaque quartz]

no problem. Multiple concurrent conversations going on

[quaint condor]

the 60 being? The 100% reciepe amount?

Right? 🤔 lol

[opaque quartz]

Yes

[quaint condor]

OK, so 30 in this case.

[opaque quartz]

Which is why I said look at the recipe from the outset 😊

Which recipe? I’m assuming pure Alu ingot since you’re using smelters for scrap

Which is 60/min input

[queen lintel]

lol what

alright

[opaque quartz]

30/min ingots is the output on that recipe

[quaint condor]

Oh, duh. My super observant self was looking at the production amount, not the input amount lol. 🤦‍♂️ Thanks

[tawdry blade]

Noodle me harder daddy

[quaint condor]

So, yeah, 242.3077% OC per each smelter. Thaaaats what I was trying to figure out. Thanks again @opaque quartz

[opaque quartz]

np

[fierce ruin]

i got to coal now, phase 1 complete im so happy of my day

Oh my days...

[quartz pasture]

Do smart splitters allow you to effectively use 1 freight platform to handle 2 goods?

I want my front freight car from Stop A to deliver silica to stop C and raw quartz to Stop B P1, while Stop B also needs to receive Quickwire at P1.

[alpine steeple]

just add a bin before they enter and afterwards

but yh u could do that

but u would have to remove it before hand and it wouldnt be efficent

[quartz pasture]

Ah

[quaint condor]

You would have to have it re-enter the train platform and allow for ample time to off load

[quartz pasture]

Guess I'd rather stick to 1 platform = 1 item

[quaint condor]

What does work well is one station, multiple items. Depending on ppm that is.

[quartz pasture]

You mean Station with multple platforms, 1 platform per item?

[quaint condor]

Multiple items dropped. Like you could pick up from multiple stations, and drop it all at one and have it sorted.

[quartz pasture]

ah I see

[quaint condor]

But, actually, I don't think you could do an off/on type of thing. As it only syncs when the train lands. The items that go reloaded wouldn't be picked up until the next dock I think.

Unless you had a 'buffer' container I guess. And then would have to remember it's 'one load behind' or something like that.

[opaque quartz]

IMHO you are much better off making dedicated platforms per item type (on both sides) and call it good. How you run the trains in between is up to you

[civic bronze]

ok this was way easier to split than i thought

[vapid gorge]

yes, just make a buffer, smart splitter to buffers for every item and an overflow to sink

just have to make sure you have enough throughput

[queen lintel]

that's the exact same HUB placement as in my old pre-1.0 save...

the only difference is that mine was 90 degrees clockwise to yours lol

[fierce ruin]

XD

[prime forum]

Gonna build this next time I get on

How am I supposed to split the iron into 256.5/min and 192.5/min

[fallow siren]

manifold

[prime forum]

don't have it

[fallow siren]

?

[vapid gorge]

this is a manifold

[prime forum]

nevermind i thought manifold was a building

[prime forum]

ty

How would I use that to split into the amount I want though

[fallow siren]

do the first line with 270/min, the overflow can go to 2nd manifold

[prime forum]

So I would overclock one of my Miner Mk. 2s so that they add up to 256.5 instead of 240?

[fallow siren]

no, u can just simply merge the belt to 270 and split the rest

[prime forum]

im so confused bru

[fallow siren]

or u can just do 450 instead of 449, and then split the ingots instead of ore

[prime forum]

Well 192.5 needs to go to the foundry so I can't split ingots

[fallow siren]

have u tried the solid alt, it use ingots so it simplify things

[fallow siren]

ok from your pic above, you need 8.55x smelter, that means you need to do 855% clock speed worth of smelters, you can overfed the input belt with 270/min, and the overflow will go to the rest to saturate the foundries

[civic bronze]

If it was it would be a cool one

[civic bronze]

Meant to reply to this

[prime forum]

I have no idea what you're saying (sorry)

[fallow siren]

just overfed the input, no need to be exact 256.5/min

[prime forum]

but then won't there be a backlog

[fallow siren]

sink the overflow

[prime forum]

ohhh

tysm bro

ur amazing

[wind spade]

it self-balances

[tawdry blade]

Does anyone have a better solution for feed-systems that dont rely on a second floor below or above?

[loud rover]

Logistics floor ?

I don’t understand what you want to do

[fallow siren]

you already did what you asked about with that setup

no 2nd floor

[prime forum]

wait so if you make a manifold all the outputs are equal? wont it make the beginning ones have more stuff

[opaque pebble]

It will, but the machines never consume more than they say they consume

[wind spade]

until the first machine fills up

[loud rover]

The beginning ones get full and the items flow to the other machines

But make sure that you feed the system with the amount of items/min the machines need

[fallow siren]

what happens to row of machine that consume 500/min fed by 700/min?
the rest of 200 will be overflow

its simple stuff

[civic bronze]

plan ahead

first lay out all machines for the factory, while keeping in mind how you gonna connect these machines

connect at the end

but, i really recommend making use of 3d aspect of the game and going at least for second floor

[tawdry blade]

Hard to plan anything if im still figuring out a style

Rates and stuff, no issue

But this games building is very different from what im used to

[outer vale]

leave space

[tawdry blade]

I guess I should just discard my desire to make thing squeezy tight and cave in for a multiple floor setup even for the simplest stuff

[loud rover]

Use a logistics floor

Is easier and cleaner

[outer vale]

leaving room between stuff was a great help in making things neater and easier

logistics floors can be nice, but nothing wrong with nice visible belts

[spiral lichen]

hey, is anyone new here to play together? i played like 20 hrs and now im at a point that solo play is very hard

[outer vale]

#1201555265942724758

[civic bronze]

you dont have to keep things tight when building flat, just gotta make sure theres enough room so that no terrain will block you - planning"

[outer vale]

though solo play is completely normal and doable, there's nothing that requires multiple people

[spiral lichen]

yea i so far got a lot , tier 6 , but having another person and we both do things is more enjoyable

[outer vale]

then refer to my first answer

[civic bronze]

@tawdry blade i like to build flat myself, but sometimes second floor is almost neccesary it all depends on what is factory making - laying out all the machines first lets you visualize and decide as you go

[restive mantle]

its hard playing with multiplayer cuz you'll have to really communicate alot and very clearly what the idea is for 1 factory or an area in the map

you'll just eventually end up solo designing entire factories unless you wanna put project management principles into it (way too much effort)

[smoky aurora]

or you just let it go like elsa from Frozen ,.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

or like dori from find Nemo - just keep swimming swimming swimming 🤣

[rich arrow]

Does anyone know how I can calculate this?

A conveyor belt is feeding 9 items/min into a conveyor splitter
Using conveyor mergers and conveyor splitters, how to equally distribute all the items into 8 different conveyor belts

The solution is to have 1 conveyour splitter splitting the 9 items into 2 directions, each direction now flowing 4.5 items/min, this is 1/2
Then each of those conveyour belts have to be split into 2 directions again and now have 2.25 items flowing per minute on them, this is 1/4
Repeat the same thing and now it's 1/8, done

Is there a way to calculate this? What if I had to split it between 17 belts? Would take forever to keep trying random numbers to figure out the solution, is there a formula or anything for this, or any calculator

[vapid gorge]

this will feed evenly to as many splits as you need

[rich arrow]

The first smelter here will be receiving half of the input, and the second one a quater, the third only an eight, and the last one only one sixteenth; the first smelter is receiving everything here while the last one is receiving almost nothing

[vast wren]

It needs time to balance but it will work because the first belt will be full After some time

[rich arrow]

It wont reach an equilibrium where they're all smelting equally unless you're inputting more items than needed. When I make factories I always feed them the correct amount of resources, here's for example how I calculated how to produce exactly 75 modular frames per minute without leaving any of it's crafting materials along the way (it's crafting tree) unused

[civic bronze]

when the first split is full it doesnt stop and clog the splitter, it will just direct other items where its possible - in this system forward

So it doesnt take 50% of the initial input on the belt - only as much and exactly as the smelter/any other machine needs

What do you mean they wont smelt equally? 100% efficiency inside of all machines - that you can get with manifold - sounds pretty equal to me

[rich arrow]

For this system to work you need to produce at least slightly more resources for them to all work equally

[civic bronze]

Not true

[rich arrow]

This system will work if you set them all off at the same time, after they've all got their inputs full

[civic bronze]

The system will balance itself with time

[vast wren]

Its still the Same amount needed where would the rest go?

[civic bronze]

Like imagine a belt with idk 120 items/min that dont have any way to stop - you have 4 machines that combined use 120 - but only 3 are running - its impossible because that wpuld mean the belt carries less than 120 - this scenario happens only on the initial part when items slots inside machines fill into stacks

[vapid gorge]

This is totally false

[rich arrow]

The first one will immediately start producing, and then the second, and then the third, and so on
My question is is there a formula or a calculator or anything to distribute the items equally in different directions? Because this is not my case, I need to distribute the items in different conveyors each for a different purpose

[vapid gorge]

All machines have a spin up and spin down time.

As long as you have

1. enough ppm
2. enough throughput

It works

[wind spade]

It will reach equilibrium always.

And if you input exactly as much as you need, then all machines will eventually run at 100% capacity

[civic bronze]

You do you, just use a mod called throughput limiter and save yourself a headache with balancers

[proven pawn]

Manifolds work just fine
Or is this ragebait

[rich arrow]

Well look here the problem is I currently need to feed 7.5 assemblers so this is not going to work for me (8 assemblers but one is working at 50% speed, or 7 assemblers where one is working at 150% speed)

[vapid gorge]

manifold will work here

[civic bronze]

It will work

[vapid gorge]

AGAIN - all you need is

1. enough parts per min
2. enough throughput on the belt

and belt manifolds will work

[proven pawn]

It just takes time

[vapid gorge]

allllll the many thousands of players before you have, for years, used this method.

[proven pawn]

If u dont like manifolds then use load balancers

[civic bronze]

Maybe instead of denying try to prove it doesnt work

[rich arrow]

I calculated how to make it work instantly, without having to wait for an equilibrium

[vapid gorge]

ok continue to do so, good luck

[rich arrow]

It's a very simple and cheap step

It doesn't take up much space either, I'm just asking is there a formula how to do it instead of trying different amounts in paint and seeing how much each direction will output

[proven pawn]

Imagine trying to argue that manifolds dont work

[rich arrow]

I'm not here to argue that, I just asked is there a formula or a way to calculate this

[proven pawn]

If you really dont want to wait a few minutes for it to spool up, you can then place the item inside the machjne that needs it

[vapid gorge]

yes, clock machines so you can always evenly split it

one of the massive pains in the ass of load balancing like that is needing to plan every step multiple steps in advance.
easiest thing to do is keep the number of feed machines even to just do basic splits

[civic bronze]

1>2>4>8 etc

[rich arrow]

This is for example how I have to evenly split 480 into 12 belts, I kept having to try different splitter combinations to get 40 in each direction. I'm tired of constantly doing this so I'm just asking if there is a way to calculate how to distribute it instead of trying to find out manually

[vapid gorge]

just keep dividing in 2

[rich arrow]

I know, there's many solutions

This is just the most efficient one (least amount of splitters needed)

[vapid gorge]

there is no single formula for this. Suck it up

good luck and good bye

[civic bronze]

You can split it evenly and make it look at manifold at the same time! Clock first machine to take 240, second one 120, third one 60, 4th 30, 5th 15, 6th 15, you can go as long as clocking the recipe lets you

[vapid gorge]

this only works if the belts are even

[civic bronze]

You can even work on 2 branches at the same time! Or 4

[alpine steeple]

2 360 belts

[proven pawn]

What the hell is happening

Crazily inefficient

[wind spade]

Generally just clock everythimg the same, or split into closest possible amount that can be represented as 2^a×3^b and loop back rest

[wind spade]

Can also just prefill

[rich arrow]

How come it's working perfectly

[proven pawn]

Manifolds also work perfectly

[narrow bridge]

where's a good spot for an aluminum factory?

[vapid gorge]

coal , bauxite, water. A few spots like that.

or oil bauzite water

[wind spade]

depends on recipes you're gonna use

[narrow bridge]

i dont have any recipes

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-gif-4609562927098887177

[vapid gorge]

so base recipes

[narrow bridge]

yes

i already found a pretty good spot

[wind spade]

they don't have any, so not even base 😛

[narrow bridge]

why does everything want to kill me, and why is everything radioactive 😭

[opaque token]

guys i need 320 iron ingots
whats the best smelter ratio for it?

with oc/uc

[wind spade]

one smelter makes 30 ingots
you can't reach 320 without clocking

[opaque token]

yeah

i'm asking what would be the best ratio with overclocking/underclocking

[wind spade]

technically you can't reach it with clocking either

but if you don't care about slight inefficiencies, just clock them to make the amounts you need

[opaque token]

i mean if you're stubborn you could just get 4 smelters at 250% for 300 and then one at 66.6% for 20

but what would be better

[wind spade]

yeah but my point is that the 66.6% won't make exactly 20

[wind spade]

better is subjective, pick one you like

[vapid gorge]

whatever suits you. it's basically jsut space you want to use

[proven pawn]

what is happening???
what is a converter?

[vapid gorge]

turn off sam ore

[wind spade]

disable the converter in machine list

[proven pawn]

oh ok thx

[pastel obsidian]

10 at 100 and one at 66 or 4 at 250

[opaque token]

i guess i could just get 5 of them at 200% and one at 100%, and just get the overflow of the last one away

[proven pawn]

how much aluminum should i automate

[wind spade]

however much you need

[pastel obsidian]

you could could have some overflow and sink it

[proven pawn]

guess ill do 240

[pastel obsidian]

all of it

[proven pawn]

how much is aluminum gonna be used in the future

i wanna make sure i dont wanna "underproduce" aluminum

[wind spade]

depends on what you build and how much

[pastel obsidian]

i normally just do one pure node

[proven pawn]

of bauxite?

[wind spade]

make what you need now, if you need more in the future, build more

[pastel obsidian]

yep

[proven pawn]

oke

[opaque token]

imagine you could slop the miners
1200 ore/min with mk2 on a pure node

[pastel obsidian]

if you can get petro coke the ratios work our really well

[wind spade]

no reason, almost always better to sloop final product, which is equivalent to slooping multiple miners

[opaque token]

fair

[smoky aurora]

well you plan a Amazon warhouse on a Planet not supposed to get a warehouse 🤣

[pastel obsidian]

Its not the case for more raere ores like sam

Doubling the production of Sam ore is far better than drubbing its final product

if the case that we could use sloops on miners

[wind spade]

if you double the product, you also double the SAM by doing that

[pastel obsidian]

you need multiple machines to process one sam ore

[wind spade]

and the game is balanced around that

[pastel obsidian]

In the production of Biochemical Sculptor Slooping the Assembly Director System and ficite ingot would use less sloops than slooping the blender used for Biochemical Sculptor

[dreamy nimbus]

casings, sheets and ingot, at a lot of different places

[pastel obsidian]

belts

Trigons are best made with Aluminum Ingot

Fused Modular use a few too

[dreamy nimbus]

that's why I said ingot

[dreamy nimbus]

that's why I said sheets

Casings I was thinking of batteries

[prime forum]

Assembly of my factory has begun

building the iron smelting manifolds along with rod/plate constructors rn

[hoary wigeon]

I'd personally avoid using coal and copper to create automated wireing, you can do all of the crafts needed with only iron which makes things way easier and less costly on coal

With the iron cable and iron pipes alternate receipes

Since iron is present in absurd quantities in the world (same as limestone), you can use it as much as you want without fears of running out in the endgame

[prime forum]

Don't have any alternate recipes

idk how to get them, i'm playing without watching any videos or guides

[dreamy nimbus]

You can collect things in crash sites then research them in the MAM

There are more than enough of those in the game dw

[restive sparrow]

Don't need a video or a guide or a cheaty tool but I'll encourage you to find them with a no-spoilers tip: Stash your stuff in your box, grab a gun and some rebar for protection and go for a run and explore.

I wan't going to spoil that it is crash sites you'll find but yosh has said it now. It is really clear when you stumble across one. When I first started I saw something crazy way off in the distance. Went and was like whoa! Stuff!

[dreamy nimbus]

Well I didn't say what were they going to look for inside of them, just told them where to look for them

[prime forum]

ok thanks!

I'll prob explore while waiting for my spelevator to be stocked with resources for phase 3

[restive sparrow]

Crash sites? WHY WOULD THERE BE CRASH SITES? I was the first Pioneer sent here and they said they had complete confidence in the landing mechanisms!

[restive sparrow]

Honestly have fun! The world is pretty crazy. A lot of fun stuff to stumble across. Whip out that scanner and look for oddities!

[dreamy nimbus]

Past experiences are not Pionners' business

[prime forum]

👍

[restive sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-throw-up-laugh-gif-5391921346968738339

[silent charm]

math not mathing.... 150 + 150 + 150 + 120 + 75 + 75 is 720.... where is 900?..

[wind spade]

120 sounds weird

[silent charm]

it is 120.. 😦

waiit a second

omg yes

i fixed it somehow this one wasnt reading the boost

[storm imp]

Extractor aint overclocked :D

[silent charm]

it wassss

[storm imp]

Ahh.. yeah

[silent charm]

i had to rebuild this one

[storm imp]

Well its fixed 👍

[silent charm]

yusss thankiesss ❤️

@storm imp @wind spade

[restive sparrow]

@wind spade are you the same greeny as the satisfactory tools dev? If so, bravo!

[wind spade]

yeah

[silent charm]

wait the SCIM? 😮

[wind spade]

no, SFTools

[restive sparrow]

Mind a pm convo?

[silent charm]

wait theres one more?

lemmi see

[wind spade]

go for it

[wind spade]

there's multiple, few most used are in #welcome (including mine)

[silent charm]

i think i need to be more precise 🤣

[storm imp]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

[wind spade]

Satisfactory Tools 🙂

SFTools is just a shortcut we use, like SCIM for the calculator

[silent charm]

oh ye just saw that

[restive sparrow]

I really like the outputs from sftools planner. Much easier to read and organize than alternatives I've used IMO.

[silent charm]

🤩

[lapis jetty]

Is this the good the bad or the ugly

[silent charm]

That looks good only thing I can think of is to have the 2nd refinery a Lil separated so that pipe can go straight too

So it's all symmetrical

[lapis jetty]

okay

i need to let the fuel to fill up because i keep having issues with fuel not getting

where it should

[silent charm]

Is it production and consumption math accurate?

[lapis jetty]

Im producing more fuel than i should be using

Im just going to max overclock to fill system then drop it so its producing equal to what im using

I think im making enough power

[rich arrow]

Yeah I was exaggerating about it's efficiency because I wasn't too sure about how it will turn out. The more time you give the manifold method the more it approaches working at 100% efficiency, however it will never be 100%, it can only get up to 99.999...% efficiency (this is only if the machines are consuming an equal amount of items as you are feeding them, they will get 100% efficient if you produce at least slightly more than needed), the first consumers of what the conveyor belts are feeding will always begin processing their intake before the last ones can begin which slows down the acceleartion towards 100% effieciency enough for it to never be 100% efficient (maximum being 99.999...% and so on)

[wind spade]

that's not true

manifolds reach 100% efficiency without a problem

if it would work on less than 100% efficiency, that means it's consuming less than it's getting, which means it's still filling up and therefore not stabilised

most manifolds reach 100% in a few minutes, some more extreme manifolds (big stack sizes and a lot of machines) need a few hours, but they will reach it without a problem

[fierce ruin]

which one? left uses less iron but more power, right needs me to complete phase 3 so i can make mk5 belts

[wind spade]

that's your choice to make 🙂

[rich arrow]

I know, I'm using the manifold method in a lot of my factories (the only exemption are the ones where I have to transport a lot of items which a single conveyor belt cannot carry on it's own). I'm just saying, if you graph it, it doesn't reach 100%, it only approaches 100%

[fierce ruin]

oh wait left is actually better

[wind spade]

it does reach 100%
and I did graph it. I even made a simulator that calculates how long until it stabilises. I know what I'm talking about 🙂

[fierce ruin]

oh i cant rn anyway, my coal gens are there

but then again i dont need them anymore really

im sure my 9gw are enough

[dark nymph]

You dont need mk5 belts. Just use balancer

[outer vale]

no need for balancers, just don't put everything on one belt

[fierce ruin]

oh true, i'll think about it later

[wind spade]

you don't need a balancer

[fierce ruin]

or, 2 mk3 belts feeding 9 smelters in a manifold

[wind spade]

the arrow isn't a belt, the arrow shows flow of resources. It can be multiple belts, or a train, or a drone, or whatever

[fierce ruin]

or load balance because that does not seem difficult

[fierce ruin]

yeah no i forgot i dont have to put it on one belt

[tawdry blade]

@opaque token

The term overview, you know. refers to a list. Nothing specific.

[opaque token]

what

[opaque token]

oh wait you meant all you got and not stuff like
how to craft X / what can i craft with X

[tawdry blade]

Yeah im good now. O was the shortcut I needed.

[opaque token]

i mean
it would open the O menu, just on the searched up item

[versed violet]

Thats a nice spill prevention system.

[silent charm]

i feel like theres somethin im missing here... what do u mean by spill... shld i be concenred???

[versed violet]

Liquid tight wall around the oil site, to prevent contamination of area if the well ever starts spilling oil out.
That functionality is not ingame ofc, but nice for realism.

[silent charm]

ohhh u had me scared for a bit 🤣

yeah i created a cover for it as well

[versed violet]

there seems to be already some leakage around the bottom node

[silent charm]

yeah idk how that happened, that does look weird as other nodes dont have it

[versed violet]

throw some sand on it

[silent charm]

quite handy theres a beach nearby 🤣

i couldve just cnnected these two pipes into a MK2 directly but i feel the amounf of pipes goin around rn adds bulk to the interior

(will be interior when design is finished)

[wind spade]

generally it's best to connect pipes as little as possible

[silent charm]

oh

idk how pipes work anymore

[versed violet]

Game is an unitended fluid dynamics simulator, so everyone gets confused xd

[silent charm]

wouldnt everything get used if my input is exact 600 and demand is exact 600 as well?

[outer vale]

if piped correctly

it can be fiddly to get the full 600/min through mk2 pipes

[high bear]

hmm... how busted would distilled silica be without the limestone input?

[silent charm]

i tried to do a test run with the current setup by filling up fluid storages, it was actually getting full 600 sometimes dipped to 599.9 or .8 but thats abt it

[dawn quartz]

hi im not very good at the meta so can someone tell me what to pick or rescan?

[outer vale]

the meta is to collect every recipe

[opaque quartz]

Pick whatever you need. If you don’t know, flip a coin or leave them in your library for later

[zealous coral]

Molded beam

[opaque quartz]

There’s more drives than recipes so you can and should get them all

[zealous coral]

on left, i suppose diluted packaged fuel is better

[outer vale]

if one of the recipes looks like something you could make use of in your next factory, grab that one

[zealous coral]

That not exactly true, i got 1700h of game-play and there are recipes that i've never used.

[outer vale]

good for you, other people prioritise alts differently

I've never used Molded Beam ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opaque quartz]

All recipes have tradeoffs. They exist to give you options. Thus, there is no single “best” recipe

[zealous coral]

depanding what is your priority, space, energy or amount of resources

[outer vale]

or specific resources, or local availability

but the keyword there is

your priority
not anybody else's

[zealous coral]

The person ask a question, at least you can give him pro and cons of the recipe, and not telling everybody. "It is a game test all". It is a really poor help

molded beam use much less coal than standard recipe, and limestone is easily accessible. Moreover it produce more with less space usage. There is also no other alt recipes for Beams at this tier so this is a good pick

[oblique hollow]

Diluted Packaged Fuel: GREATLY increases fuel production (especially with recipes that make lots of heavy oil), but needs water and a slighly annoying packaging loop.
Copper Rotor: Faster and more rotors, but needs a lot of screws.
Molded Beam: 50% more Beams from Steel Ingots, but costs concrete
Automated Miner - Automated Miner (enough said)

which is best? the one that helps you

and that depends on what you are lacking or need a better way of producing

[wind spade]

meta is "pick what you want"

[fierce aspen]

Quick Q, can i run a 1:1 drone setup with 1 drone in each port, but only bring fuel to one of them?

[pastel obsidian]

you normally have a seperate drone port for fuel

just has to be fuel on one side pick up or drop off

[wanton torrent]

Save your game, and rescan, if you dont like jt rescan, but generally you want as many recipes as possible for diversity

Especially the extra hand and inventory slots

[fierce aspen]

thx!

[royal bramble]

So I'm looking into actually using blueprints for the first time
When setting them up, do they include settings for overclocking, etc?
I'd like to be able to just plop down an optimal ingot farm on all of the resource nodes I can find 😄

[thorn trail]

yes, blueprints store the recipes used and the clock settings, as well as any sloops/shards used

[glass harness]

Yes

[royal bramble]

Awesome, thank you!

[urban marsh]

Man i just hate fluids, they just make no sense sometimes

it feels like sometimes the pipe don't work just because they don't want to and there's nothing you can do

it's not a headlift issue, i'm producing plenty

[vapid gorge]

Over head images of the whole system

[urban marsh]

hold on, i turned everything off for like 10 minutes to let the pipes fill, i'll see if that fixed it

[vapid gorge]

No sweat, but it’s a lot easier just putting a few machines to 50% or something. Does the same job and less work

Also if they aren’t generators machines won’t accept inputs when off

[urban marsh]

Ok, gonna post pictures, it didn't work

so specifically this bottom pipe, which feeds the 18 generators in these rows

the layout

the turbofuel is split into those 2 pipes on the bottom left, for whatever reason one pipe has issues, while the other pipe is perfectly working fueling the 18 other generators

[vapid gorge]

I'm almost certain I've had the 'keep your pipes simple, point A to point B' talks with you xD

[urban marsh]

I'm not sure what you mean

am i supposed to have 18 refineries feeding 18 generators?

with 18 differnet pipes

[vapid gorge]

nah just a group of machines feeding another group, no merges or splits after. Simple manifolds.

this is 2 sources to make 666 fuel right?

[urban marsh]

yes

2 groups of 18 refineries

each feeding 18 generators

[vapid gorge]

yeah you've got effectively 2 manifolds mushed together plus a ton of connections going all over the place

[urban marsh]

well how am i not going to use manifolds for this?

[vapid gorge]

break apart your refineries into 2 sets. They can be even or not.

feed them to 2 groups of fuel gens independently of each other.

2 rows is easier

[vapid gorge]

can you over clock any of those generators?

[urban marsh]

they're all overclocked

[vapid gorge]

Me? I'd rearrange them so you can make 2 nice rows. but the actual shape doesn't matter much as long as you keep it tidy

but having fuel gens facing each other makes life easier often

like this on the right

in any case split the refs outputs into two groups. half is good because shorter manifolds are inherently more stable

then feed them with a loop like this

it may be the most stable loop design you can build

[urban marsh]

the refinery outputs are split into 2 groups

2 pipes of 333/min

[vapid gorge]

cool, don't merge them

[urban marsh]

one of the pipes miraculously works perfectly

the other one, doesnt work at all

[vapid gorge]

if they are linked up they are one and not working properly.

but that's the other benefit of keeping pipes simple and not linked up, far easier to trouble shoot

anyway, you got your instructions 🙂

[urban marsh]

that's the thing lol, they aren't linked up but they're exactly the same

exact same configuration in every way

same # of refineries and generators, same number of input/output

just one decided to work and the other didnt

[vapid gorge]

something like ths would be simpler

[vapid gorge]

you said they were linked up above

and all those pipes sure as hell look connected

ahh in the corner both are comming out of the floor

ok still bad but in a different way, you effectively have branching manifolds

and technically bottom feeding the manifold with it coming out of the ground like that

[urban marsh]

2 groups, blue works perfectly, red doesn't work

[vapid gorge]

ok the reason why one of them is working w/o a loop is probably because of the low flow demand, though I'd be worried it's not completely stable

keep going with the instructions about the layout and loop. You want to avoid branches in yoru manifold.

for example right now?

red pipe line is

Point A to Point b , c and d

[urban marsh]

i'm flipping the red gens so they face in each other

[vapid gorge]

and make hte row longer so you can accomadate the 2 others

[urban marsh]

did all of that, flipped them, got them all on the same row, still shutting down

and somehow the refineries downstairs that are linked to these generators are not running because they're so full of turbofuel

so for whatever reason the turbofuel just isn't moving

[vapid gorge]

stil need the loop

[urban marsh]

on the generators?

[vapid gorge]

yup, you only need loops on inputs not outputs

[urban marsh]

but on the refinery inputs as well?

[vapid gorge]

nope, not on the refs

this is a diagram example on feeding fluids to any machine that needs it.

[urban marsh]

ok i'll add the loop

just over that one central pipe right?

[vapid gorge]

yup, but make sure you keep it completely flat

you'll prob need to delete a few pipe sections to put up pipe stands

[urban marsh]

and it matters that the input is on the top pipe?

[vapid gorge]

yes

[urban marsh]

k

[vapid gorge]

especially in how you have your gens going.
if you only had one side you could do a side loop.

but this is likely the most stable loop you can build

[queen lintel]

so I have managed to somehow optimize it even more to use every resource possible (here SAM is the limiting factor somehow) (also yes it's like the 700th time I post another version of this on here)

also yes I used a lot of sloops

but it's just for fun (basically creative mode)

if anybody's insane enough to actually go ahead and make this in-game I will literally flip

[urban marsh]

@vapid gorge does a pipe with exactly 0 flow rate mean it's not moving anything at all? i have a pipe that's literally stuck at this value permanently

it might be why my gens are running out of fuel, one of the rows of refineries is simply not working

[vapid gorge]

generally yes. so you think the issue isn't with the fuel gens now, but further back? that's quite common

often times after you fix a fluid step, you'll discover a previous fluid step is also wonky

[urban marsh]

yes, i think i found it, one of the junctions wasn't actually connected, so half of the refineries were not actually doing anything

[vapid gorge]

common 🙂

just keep following problems backwards

[urban marsh]

well that's the problematic pipe fixed, now i need to fix the other pipe that's started to present some problems

i really don't want to make 2 massive rows of generators though, it doesn't fit my factory layout 😦

[vapid gorge]

isn't it already 2 rows?

[urban marsh]

well

the red is fixed, the other one though..

[vapid gorge]

this also works

I'd turn a couple of the rows to face each other to make it simpler though

[urban marsh]

hmm yeah i'll try that

can i still add the loop on that or will it not wor klol

[vapid gorge]

yup loop as normal, just a bit wiggly

[urban marsh]

alright

[vapid gorge]

keep it straight and flat

[quartz pasture]

does gas fill pipes top to bottom instead of bottom to top?

[quartz pasture]

actually it totally does lol

[vapid gorge]

gasses try to evenly fill all pipes at teh same time. It has no gravity priority

[thorny root]

gas is an omnipresent volume based on pipe section. flows quickly, doesn't slosh, doesn't settle.

[quartz pasture]

that makes sense

so if the pipeline leading to my train is totally full, will the train receive all 600m^3?

[thorny root]

The train holds more than that, but as far as throughput goes yes. Assuming you've got mk2 pipes all the way and no suckers siphoning off, no problem.

You have to actually be putting 600m^3 into the pipe for that throughput to sustain. The pipe is a volume buffer like every other pipe.

[coarse forge]

I think that train waits till its full so even if you had not full pipes it would get all of it

[vapid gorge]

only if you tell it to wait until it's full

[thorny root]

But honestly trains for nitrogen is a massive waste.

Nitrogen is... one of the most effortless things to transport because you don't need pumps.

[opaque pebble]

Trains for nitrogen tanks

[vapid gorge]

yeah you absolutely should not move gas by fluid freight

[fallow siren]

you either package them or just pipe it, since its gas, no pump needed

[vapid gorge]

huge benefits to this, compared to the huge problems of not

[coarse forge]

I have 200h in this game and still can't figure out how pipes work. I have 50 refineries stacked on top of each other in a rows of 10s. I have only connected refineries that are in one column and they doeasnt have enough flow rate. How is that possible?

[storm imp]

IIRC
When using train, you need to be able to handle more than your throughput.. So if your goal is 600/min gas - Your input need to connect 2x Tier 2 pipes, with a liquid buffer on each pipe, so your throughput after train has loaded from Transit to Train Card, can temporary be able to deliver 1200/min..

The same method goes at output as well..

[vapid gorge]

show overhead angles of all the pipes layouts

[thorny root]

Pipes work fairly intuitively. It's the liquids that don't.

[vapid gorge]

gasses behave very poorly in buffers

[coarse forge]

I'll send it in a bit. I'm in a bus to school

[vapid gorge]

you don't do that unless you don't want full throughput in any case.

[vapid gorge]

no stress, jsut ping me

[thorny root]

A refinery generates head pressure of 10m on the output side. A refinery is something like 24 meters tall. That's not enough.

[coarse forge]

Okay thanks

Made my first big factory of one material and the outputs are just something I can't figure out

[vapid gorge]

one person on the server not long ago actually found a very specific way to use train buffers with gas, but it's such a niche use.

[quartz pasture]

yep! 1280 total being routed through two mk2 pipelines

[thorny root]

That's not enough.

You need 1 more 300 pipe

[fallow siren]

oh? can u share the message link

[quartz pasture]

I'm transporting it because kilometers of belts and pipes make me cringe

[thorny root]

600+600 = 1200 MAX. That's a HARD LIMIT.

[vapid gorge]

let me see if I can find it

[thorny root]

You're not going to get 1280 through 2 mk2

[quartz pasture]

I know

the 1280 was 80 extra 'buffer' just in case

7 resource nodes at 180 each was awkward

[thorny root]

Okay but what you said though kinda implies that you don't get the logic. You cannot route 1280 through 2 mk2 pipes

[vapid gorge]

I think this is the chat thread with it. #1303275536704864256 message ladyhawk is a solid player but it's unclear how much they actually tested the system but according to them it was fairly reliable

[thorny root]

Add your oil and gas nodes together to fill 1 pipe to 600 and only do it with addition. Never with splitting.

Never merge two full 600 pipes during transport. Only at the destination rail.

They will fight each other.

[quartz pasture]

I ended up doing 2 mk2 inputs from a source totaling 1200

[vapid gorge]

you can't move 1200 fluid pm from 1 train platform

[fallow siren]

it does look interesting, i might test this one in creative world just to test how reliable it is

[thorny root]

Truth. It's impossible. Even if you had maximiallly efficient pumps and everything, you are always forced to wait on that load time, and because your throughput into the station is already capped, there's NO time to catch up.

[quartz pasture]

It moves 1600m^3 doesn't it?

[vapid gorge]

yeah it was an interesting problem they solved. but it's so much more convenient moving packaged gas than fluid gas... it's a fun thing that exists. Bout it

[vapid gorge]

just becaues it holds 1600 , doesn't mean it moves that PER MINUTE

[storm imp]

No that was what I tried to explain - You need to have more overhead than you're transporting - because the Train is blocking the Input, when its loading to the card..

[vapid gorge]

If I carried 100,000 iron ingots from one side of the map to the other, but it takes an hour, that's not 100,000 per min

[quartz pasture]

I expect it to move at most 1200 per minute with some how perfect round-trip time

[vapid gorge]

train platforms have a 27 second lockout time where fluid or items can't load

[storm imp]

If you want to move 1200 per minute - you need 2 Transport Stations and 2 Train Containers

[vapid gorge]

which means that it is physically impossible to move 2 fuill belts/pipes on a single platform

[quartz pasture]

That doesn't make sense. The fluid freight platform drops off the entire tank