math-and-meta

[soft vigil]

And nuclear is like the best

[vapid gorge]

those are stack sizes

[soft vigil]

Oh

[vapid gorge]

assuming mk6 belts I think

although it's probably not dissimilar for hte lower stack sizes and mk5 belts

[soft vigil]

I have mk4 almost have mk5 belts unlocked

[vapid gorge]

since a mk5 belt can fill up a drone port can fill up 100 stacks fast

[soft vigil]

Ok

I just scanned for sulfur and there is one pure and one normal that is 1,300 away from were I am

I think that’s what I am going to do

Lot closer than the other 3

[vapid gorge]

sure

[soft vigil]

Like

What fuel should I use because I only have turbo fuel that is being use for generator should I branch off from the line and package some of it for drones

[vapid gorge]

that sounds convenient sure

you could always set up a dedicated fuel station that has drones delivering to more drones if you think you'll want more of them

But splitting off a branch is what I did in my last game progressing the tiers

[soft vigil]

Ok

[vapid gorge]

it's not a permanent solution but it's an easy one

[soft vigil]

Is what I am going to do is when I start to do nuclear power I am going to change my turbo fuel generator into rocket fuel factory for drones

[vapid gorge]

eh, I'd just stick to the turbo fuel until you use plutonium rods

[soft vigil]

Ok

Thx for the help

[opaque quartz]

plutonium rods are unironically the best drone fuel (in terms of energy delivered and top speed)

[soft vigil]

Yeah I was watching a video on drone fuels and what is the best and plutonium fuel rods were the best I am not at that stage in the game yet

[opaque quartz]

Something to look forward to 😊

[timber holly]

Do the fuel rods create waste in drones?

[opaque quartz]

Nope. They do become a bit radioactive, however (namely the port where they are fueling)

[timber holly]

Oh damn

[opaque quartz]

But if you are making plutonium rods then presumably you already have the hazmat suit and have automated iodine filters

[timber holly]

I thought the fuel rods created waste no matter what

[opaque quartz]

Only in NPPs

You can also sink plutonium rods, so it’s the best midpoint of the nuclear chain if you don’t go all the way to ficsonium

[timber holly]

What would you recommend as drone fuel before the fuel rods

Batteries or turbo fuel

[opaque quartz]

I like rocket fuel personally

Batteries have the same top speed as RF

[fallow siren]

i actually never tried rocket fuel for drone, how are they compared to battery in term of speed and such?

same top speed? what about the initial

[crimson moat]

the speed is the same, but rocket fuel has 20% more energy

which hasn't mattered at all for me, but could affect some things slightly

actually battery stacks 2x so it has 67% higher stack energy, that's probably the better one if everything works in stacks

i use rocket fuel rn because i wanted packaged rocket fuel for jetpack anyway so i made a bunch of stuff with rocket fuel

[fallow siren]

might try rocket fuel in this save for fun

and also since they are really easy to automate

[inland quail]

In the bottom it says it will produce five per min, which I want, but over it says 4.995 per min. Will it produce 4.995 and thus be slightly slightly inefficient?

[outer vale]

yes, if you use a more precise clock speed it'll get closer to 5/min (close enough that the difference won't matter in practice)

[inland quail]

So I shouldnt worry, I could leave it like that?

[outer vale]

no you should set it to 33.3333%

unless you actually want 4.995/min

[inland quail]

ok I'll try 33.3333

thanks!

[remote flame]

you can also get the correct clock speed by instead changing the Target production rate field down below to '5', it will automatically change the clockrate accordingly 🙂

For other alt/default recipes where you need a machine at a certain fraction of a clockspeed (so in your case, you want 33.3333% or 1/3 or the 100% clockspeed), you can actually input it exactly as well!
For 33.333%, you want to input (1/3*100) in the clockspeed section, and it will actually calculate and give you 1/3 exactly too 🙂

Alt: Heavy Encased Frame makes approx 2.813 HMF's a minute, or more accurately is 45/16 a minute. If you wanted to big brain someone for no reason (just edit the target production rate number lol), you could make 2/min by filling in the clockspeed as DesiredProductionRate/DefaultProductionRate * 100 , = 2/(45/16)*100 , = 71.1111111, which is 2 HMF's/min exactly haha

[inland quail]

I didn't know you could edit the target production...'

[outer vale]

yeah, that'd get you the 33.3333% if you just typed into that

it's still technically not perfectly accurate, 4.999995/min

[inland quail]

Yea but its good to know for the future

[remote flame]

for the longest time I didnt actually know you could input mathematic expressions in to the clockspeed section until I was just playing around with it one day haha, we all learn new things

[vernal swallow]

Do the drones use less batteries than fuel? Or are they just faster with the same consumption

[crimson moat]

they use fewer batteries too

both because batteries hold more energy, and because they fly for shorter times

[wind spade]

you can, but it will give you same/similar result to typing 33.3333%
and since the game does a bit of rounding on each step, writing percentages is preferred if you care about small % differences

[cyan drift]

can someone explain logic behind "ultra compact" blueprints?

like what? people just clip 50 buildings into each other?

is it bug or legit way or what

[remote flame]

There are a lot of blueprints people make on the SCIM website where they 'stack' buildings in to each other purely for the sake of space. Absolutely not needed, does require a mod, and can not be slightly edited from however the blueprint was made.
For some people where big production chains can be daunting, downloading said blueprints can make it far easier and time saving, but can not be edited in any way without also having a mod capable of doing so, and space saving is pretty unnecessary in a giant open world like satisfactory lol.

[cyan drift]

also looking at blueprints...

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints/index/details/id/6743/name/Space+elevator+upgrade+4+-+Magnetic+Field+Generator%2C+Nuclear+Pasta%2C+Thermal+Propulsion+Rocket++v1.0

this is under blueprints but wont fin in there, so its megaprint?

[cyan drift]

yeah, its seems kinda out of place

also whats the meaning of playing the game then, when you can make thousands of part on 2x2 foundations with one click

[remote flame]

And megaprints well, as the name suggests they are of gigantic or full map scale. Some can be super helpful but require inventory size modified to even be able to place it, or save file editing.

Like I don't do that personally with my own https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints/index/index/idU/80167/user/Jinn'N'Tonic , they are legitimate blueprints in a Mk2. or Mk3. Designer in-game that can be modified, I personally hate stacking.
For ultra compact blueprint discussion and that kind of stuff, Im sure someone would be able to link the satisfactory mods discord it slips my mind what command / what it is lol

[cyan drift]

i like yours, imo thats how it should look, i feel like the ultra compact blueprints are rly weird

[remote flame]

Ultra compact is a bit funky, but some prefer it, I won't question it, it's a sandbox game after all there isnt a right or wrong really haha
Building 'clean' blueprints (minimal clipping while keeping reasonably compact without any mods to create it) is more so the way to be and there are plenty out there on SCIM that do that too!. And building your own blueprints I feel is a fundamental part of the game where you can edit/change things to make it work better, revise blueprints from the Mk1 -> Mk2. -> Mk3 designers, etc 🙂

[cyan drift]

yeah

am using your bp right away xd

[remote flame]

Probably should shift this to design and architecture really lol, but the one thing you will see in those BP's and possibly others are really short Belt conveyer lifts. They are legitimate to place for yourself too, it's just a trick with the stackable conveyer poles. Snap to one of those then the building/other belts and it'll shrink it beyond the normal minimal height limit 🙂 But yeah DM if you got questions on anything!

[cyan drift]

yeak, ik about that, same with over limit i think

[somber flint]

Question, I found this quick lil diagram online, but was wondering if it worked in inverse? with 1 input line and two outputs? or if thats not how these work?

[vapid gorge]

you mean splitters in the middle? sure

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[somber flint]

unless theres a better method for setting up 10 constructors

[remote flame]

Yeah, So if you had One input manifold of splitters, then just breaking it up in to two output merger manifolds it'd still be completely functional. Not uncommon either, screws for example take up a lot of items/min early game so having two outputs is necessary

[somber flint]

Yeah, like that same layout but mirrored with the input line being in the center and splitters feeding 2 machines instead of one

[vapid gorge]

yup same thing

[somber flint]

Yeah screws is exactly why im trying to set this up haha

[vapid gorge]

changes nothing about manifolds

[somber flint]

Okay cool. just wanted to make sure it didnt break anything with the math or something xD

thanks!

[vapid gorge]

though you should build screws near where they are consumed and be fed basically directly into their machines

at least if you want more convenient and easier logistics.

not like a law or something

[smoky aurora]

regarding math ,.. always pay attention to troughput from belts or pipes ,.. dosnt matter MK1 or higher ,.. u cant transport more as Belt provdes at max 😉

[somber flint]

Fair, Me and my buddy were thinking of setting up lil micro factories in our home base area for each resource, like one building for Iron products, one for copper, one for steel etc. and i was just thinking through how to set it all up

[smoky aurora]

especially for screwws ,... you getting screwed pretty fast

[vapid gorge]

I'd do dedicated screw sections for where you need them. Simpler life 🙂

[somber flint]

so each building (where screws are involved, not literally all of them) would have their own constructor for screws?

[smoky aurora]

yepp

since the ammounts of screws are mostly insane high

[vapid gorge]

send rods or ingots (depending on yoru screw recipe) to that building

[somber flint]

Im not sure how thats differant than ferrying the screws there from the "Ironworks". either way something is getting shipped over, no?

[smoky aurora]

mostly u need iron or steel anyway so u set a splitter for the screws

[smoky aurora]

u never deald with a Heavy modular Frame factory huh? 😄

[vapid gorge]

because you need 4x as many belts to move the same number of screws instead of hte ingots/rods

[smoky aurora]

it´s just a advise ,.. u would need a 5 wagon train to provide enough screws to some builds ^^

[somber flint]

ahhhh fair

[civic bronze]

I wish there were more intermediates like screws

[vapid gorge]

every new item you unlock turns the ones before it into 'intermediates'

[civic bronze]

Yeah

What i mean screws are the only one that turn into these massive amounts /min u need

The thought of making 52 belts of screw from 1 belt of steel beam from 1 belt of aluminium ingots from 2 belts of aluminium scrap from 1 belt of bauxite ore, 1 belt of sulfur, 0.66 belt of coal and 0.1333 pipe of water is cool

[vapid gorge]

@rustic skiff also I don't know what you're actually asking in the other chat

scim isn't a very good planner and the image isn't super useful :\

[rustic skiff]

Basically I should optimally have one manufacturer fed 40 dark matter crystals/min, another one needs 10 units/min, and a third needs 18 units/min. Is there any not awful way to have a single Particle accelerator make 68 Dark Matter Crystals per minute and then have that output split up so it deals out the correct ratio of items to each building without some awful set up?

[fallow siren]

just manifold it?

[vapid gorge]

is there a reason a manifold won't work here?

you could make a plan in SFtools and share it, its generally far more useful

[crimson moat]

checking configs for input to manifold loop

direct pipe connection (uphill) is backflowing

U connector going above the manifold level and then back down vertically only has half flow due to backflow, but with 2 valves (@100%) it flows super well (easy 600/min)

having both levels of the loop downhill of the junction (rather than it level with the top pipe) also improves flow rate/reliability

i've also found 2 valves in this config to completely eliminate sloshing on pipes which were full and had no output, but were moving fluid back and forth registering on the flow meter (if it happens in that case, it will still be screwed up when you connect consumers - but it's super easy to see if it all of the pipes are full and nothing is connected on the other end because any and all movement of fluids is sloshing)

Another thing that i think could help flow with huge manifolds (esp >>10 machines) is more input points beyond 2. Possibly easiest done via putting junctions on the top pipe, and simple "c" connections to the junctions which are already there on the bottom

better flow allows you to utilise a higher % of the pipe capacity, but it's practically always wise IMO to leave some in reserve and split up banks of machines a bit to accomplish that. In particular pushing 100% of the pipe capacity via a manifold of 10+ machines is not advisable, any sloshing at all will negatively impact throughput. If you only pull 500m3/min from any one 600 pipe then there's a lot of room for error and inefficiency.

[rustic skiff]

Probably not! thank you!

[soft vigil]

Yeah never have made it that far into the game I have always made it to fuel generators and the either a update or something else happens and I have to restart my world

[magic dock]

If I use 2 tractors on a route does that improve stability?

I have 4 routes that are basically the same but for different stations as each route transports 480 limestone/min but if they have to wait on each other I already noticed the number being off for a couple of rounds

Or would pre filling the stations also work as a buffer for the instability?

[wooden jasper]

How do people usually ship materials out of their base? I made a few mistakes in the elevation of some of my factories, so some of my logistics floors are above the production floors

I can't decide if I just want to make my factories look like buildings with conveyors poking out of them or if I should try to hide the conveyors somehow

I guess I could probably also just conveyor stuff a little bit and then use trucks

[wind spade]

if you loop the pipe, you don't need valves

[crimson moat]

It is looped, it backflows without them

[wind spade]

probably an error somewhere else

[crimson moat]

nah it's just something with the flow sloshing when going up and sideways in a relatively small space, or uphill into the looped manifold. Only appears in that small section of the pipe when doing those, and valve stops it entirely

you actually get better flow going up with the simple pipe (when it can handle going up) and then going back down again

[bitter compass]

I'm sorry for this absolutly noob qusetion, but does nitric acid count as fluid or as gad (do I need pump for it?)

[crimson moat]

liquid

[bitter compass]

oh f... ok thx

[latent flare]

If Im making 500 Uranium waste Per min how many Plutonium Fuel rods can I make Per min

[outer vale]

that sounds like a good use case for the Maximise option in Satisfactory Tools
(though do replace the Maximise with an actual amount once you have your solution, so it can optimise for material usage)

[latent flare]

thanks

[civic bronze]

wait, you dont need pumps for gases?

[outer vale]

no head lift requirements

[civic bronze]

that's cool!

why the game doesnt tell you that?

[outer vale]

it probably does...

[civic bronze]

where

[crimson moat]

gasses also flow differently to liquids

[crimson moat]

i think when you unlock them 😄

[civic bronze]

you mean as single ADA message?

[crimson moat]

Several, i think

[bitter compass]

just to be 100 sure does rocket fuel needs pumps?

[outer vale]

it is a gas, so no

[bitter compass]

thx

[oblique hollow]

I would expect a pump to work too, especially a mk 2

oh wait this reminds me if something

[crimson moat]

it mostly does, but it's basically a valve that has a power requirement in this case

[oblique hollow]

Long ago i made a test with valves and it turns out they can enforce priority on junctions

But that was U7 times

[opaque quartz]

Circuit boards, heat sinks, aluminum casings all qualify. And superposition oscillators in phase 5 too I suppose

[opaque quartz]

Nitric acid is a liquid, nitrogen is a gas

[dusky dust]

Aluminum Casing is used in a few buildables. (And SOs are used for portals, at least)

[opaque quartz]

Portals use singularity cells

But yeah true casings are not a pure intermediary but definitely feel somewhat like phase 4/5’s equivalent of screws

[dusky dust]

Excluding stuff in the nuclear chain, I make these for "intermediate" resources which don't make general sense to store:

• Aluminum Scrap
• Black Powder
• Circuit Board
• Copper Powder
• Dark Matter Crystal
• Diamonds
• Electromagnetic Control Rod
• Heat Sink
• Petroleum Coke
• Polymer Resin
• Pressure Conversion Cube
• Reanimated SAM
• Smokeless Powder
• Stator

[hushed silo]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-w-gus-fring-gus-gustavo-deleted-gif-25440636

[wind spade]

?

[outer vale]

someone spammed a server link that got automodded away

[wooden jasper]

well I have a silly problem

I have a belt that goes from the left circle to the right one

I need two more belts to go from the left one to the right one but because I would be transporting 1.5k screws I obviously need to make them into rotors instead of leaving them like that

but the factory where the screws are rn is way too messy and cramped to possibly make rotors at

so I have to transport the beams to somewhere along this path and then turn those into screws, and then combine those with copper sheets to get my rotors

[wooden jasper]

side note, 5 beams into 260 screws might be the most OP alt

[elfin smelt]

question for all the math nerds or just anyone thats wants to try. how many iron plates can you make from 1 pure node and an mk1 overclocked miner. what about mk 2. or normal nodes or impure nodes.

[wind spade]

depends on recipes used, whether you can use other resources, if you allow slooping, etc.

[elfin smelt]

lets just say that the conveyers can transport infinite amounts of resources

aswell

[wind spade]

but honestly if you want to build something, just calculate from the end product

conveyors are not really limitation here

[elfin smelt]

im just curious

[vapid gorge]

use this if you can't be bothered doing it yourself https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[elfin smelt]

81800 per minute if maxxed

thats alot

[vapid gorge]

that sounds like world limits, not 1 node

[elfin smelt]

ya

prob

[fierce ruin]

is this good (just getting started with oil)

[wind spade]

do you like it? if yes, then it's good

[fierce ruin]

: )

[dusky dust]

(you will probably soon discover this on your own, but: keep in mind that if you don't do something with that 60/min fuel, it will back up in the Plastic/Rubber refineries and shut down the whole process. Oil is when the game starts teaching you about dealing with byproducts. :D At the stage of the game you're in, it might be easier to convert the Heavy Oil Residue to a solid, instead of to Fuel...)

[fierce ruin]

what if i use 2 oil generators

and clock them at 30/min

[dusky dust]

Ah, if you have fuel power unlocked, then yeah, that'd be a good use for it. :) (Fuel gens are in a separate milestone, I think, so you might not have had that unlocked yet)

[fierce ruin]

gotcha

[elfin smelt]

does oil residue have power uages

usages

[wind spade]

not directly

[elfin smelt]

what uses are there for it

[vapid gorge]

look at your recipes

[vapid gorge]

yeah that's not at all what the examples in the wiki show

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

you need multiple points of entry

and you only need 3 extractors total for 8 gens

[soft vigil]

who can help me very fast i am makeing 900 turbo fuel how many gens can that power

[hollow radish]

So with our current setup, how many water generators would be setup to each side of 4 coal generators based on the picture i posted?

[vapid gorge]

have you looked at teh diagrams at all?

[soft vigil]

nvm i found it out

[wooden jasper]

wow. just discovered how powerful blueprints actually are. Many many floors must be made

I made the layout for a floor and then just put foundations floating above the area it takes

I made a 240/min cable setup to test it and I made 4 floors

It takes up a really small space across the ground but since it's so far away from anything else it doesn't matter how much vertical space I use. Very cool!

[civic bronze]

Yep, just keep in mind theres vertical limit to build, its very far but its there

[teal meadow]

might be missing something but is the instant scrap recipie strictly better for bauxite: scrap ratio than anything involving alumina solution?

[crimson moat]

it's not better than sloppy alumina > electrode scrap

despite using sulfur, which is important/rare

it's on the never-use tier for me

[thick plank]

both with instant scrap and with sloppy alumina>electrode scrap you get a ratio of 1 bauxite:2 Scrap. The main difference is that for instanc scrap you need sulfur and coal while for the other you need oil.

Me personally I prefer saving the sulfur

cause oil products you get more then enough through the dillution loop

[civic bronze]

Me reading this after building instant scrap factory and also getting sloppy alumina today from hdd

[wind spade]

Afaik it's equal to the other process

[crimson moat]

more bauxite efficient than the other coal recipe, but generally i use coke (because that is also more efficient by the same amount)

I basically think of it as paying sulphur to skip alumina solution drama which.. can be a pain to get a feel for, but once you do it's not bad

this does 1200 oil into 1800 coke, 1200 plastic and 1200 rubber, can move the ratios around to get even more coke and dump into aluminum. 1800 is enough for i think 4800 bauxite / aluminum ingots.

[civic bronze]

i really like those numbers that would fit in my factory really nice i think im gonna steal this

[hushed silo]

coke op

[civic bronze]

lets all do coke together

[thin timber]

🤦🏽‍♂️

[onyx delta]

Hey all, I'm just about to enter the last phase and am setting up a train network. I am leaning towards bi directional trains (two way tracks) for station ease. In Factorio, bidirectional engines affected train speed because the reverse engine was just dead weight. Is this the case in Satisfactory?

[vapid gorge]

no idea, but if you plan to have more than one train do two way rail

[gleaming shuttle]

engines weigh 300 tons which is comparble to 3 fully loaded freight cars, but i think engines still "work" when reversed

so theyre not dead weight and are contributing more than enough thrust (even from reverse) to counteract their weight

i'd double-check this in game though, bidirectional trains arent super common

[vapid gorge]

they are common with people new to trains or doing very minor train systems

[gleaming shuttle]

even if youre doing a very small system i'd typically try to opt for a simple monorail loop personally

either by making the entire track a loop or by putting small loops at both ends

[vapid gorge]

loops at the end so it only faces one way doesn't make it significantly dif to just a double ended train

[gleaming shuttle]

but yeah, if youre setting up a train network you should probably go with two raillines

satisfactory's train pathfinding mechanics are a lot simpler than factorio's and basically entirely reliant on block signals to avoid collusions

block and path signals are enough to accomplish smooth train networks, but nothing more; bidirectional rail complicates things enough that, if you have multiple trains, its basically impossible to manage without introducing significant variance in travel time at the very least

[onyx delta]

Yeah I am going with a two way tracks, with bidirectional trains for station ease. Thanks all!

[gleaming shuttle]

ah i see

that should work i think, but youll have to make sure your trains are symmetrical

[onyx delta]

Yeah, I think I am going with all 1-2-1 trains.

I had a factorio save with over 100 1-1-1 trains

[keen ivy]

with out context this would be very worrying

[civic bronze]

nooo, why? 😅 👍 👮

[plucky tusk]

Train network is cool but have you ever just done 1-1 trains?

[fierce ruin]

tractors are FAR better

i use them for EVERYTHING

no belts, ONLY TRACTORS

[plucky tusk]

Nice

[fierce ruin]

so youre telling me i can use these nodes (at 100%, 660/min total) and get 5.5gw of power using 22 fuel gens????

insane. coal seems so bad now

[brisk epoch]

If you have heavy oil residue and diluted fuel alts, then some water and 240 oil/min make 8 GW

[opaque quartz]

Coal is a stepping stone. First automated power. But yes for the later game you defo want oil and/or nuclear based power

[fierce ruin]

no alts : (

for oil

[opaque quartz]

Time to go drive hunting! HOR and diluted alts get you a ton more mileage out of your oil

[fierce ruin]

HOR?

oooh

[fierce ruin]

could i do that later?

[brisk epoch]

Of course. Bones is just echoing the common recommendation. Roughly: get lots of hard drives early to unlock everything to maximize your choices when building factories

[opaque quartz]

My starter oil build was just using the default recipes for a bit of plastic and rubber and a small fuel gen footprint. I didn’t go big on HOR and diluted until later at a completely different oil location

HOR is shorthand for the “heavy oil residue” alt which optimizes for HOR production with some resin as byproduct

You then use diluted fuel alt to combine water and HOR for maximum fuel production

[fierce ruin]

i mean im just using 2 oil nodes rn to make 120/min of rubber and plastic (with 120/min of fuel as a byproduct)

im sure i can change things later

can i feed 3 fuel gens (200% overclock) with 60 fuel/min each?

wait

ok so 120 fuel/min, how many fuel gens can i fill?

[wind spade]

how much does one gen need?

[fierce ruin]

dont know lol

[wind spade]

then build a gen and find out

[fierce ruin]

apparently 40/min supports 2 gens

that means 6

[digital flare]

Or, if you have coal and sulfur nearby I recently setup a Nitro Rocket Fuel generator setup that can generate about 22.5 GW per blender

[digital flare]

Unless you overclock them but yeah

[fierce ruin]

yeah i overclocked to use 3 gens

it works pretty well

[digital flare]

Yeah nice

I personally have a couple of distilled fuel generators around the map, but most of my power comes from the two Rocket Fuel generator grids I set up

Plus a few nuclear plants I have so that I can get plutonium rods for my drones

[hushed silo]

imo rocket fuel is best for power

for possible capacity and effort to outcome

diluted fuel would be best for effort to outcome

and uranium for max capacity

[lavish geode]

Why doesn’t the crude oil well with the pressurizer appear on the scanner by the beach?

Bc I just realized now that I failed to factor it into my power plant

[outer vale]

I would guess
a) you don't have the tech to use that well yet,
b) the node wasn't closer than other nearby nodes, the resource scanner only shows the nearest ones,
c) it's something other than oil

[rich drift]

How much power can I generate from 1800 rocket fuel + 375 turbofuel? I think its 48,999 mw but it seems quite low tbh

My math is probably wrong

[gleaming shuttle]

1800 rocket fuel runs 432 fuel generators, 375 turbofuel runs 50 generators (both assuming 100% clock speed since it doesnt change the math)

so 482 generators * 250 MW/generator = 120.5 GW

[rich drift]

Yea

Ah

Idk how I got 48.9gw

Ty tho

[fallow siren]

with hor+diluted alt, using all those oil will get you more than 50GW

[frank snow]

Anyone know why it is giving weird numbers on the oil part of this factory? it is putting 104.998 plastic into supercomputers when it should just be an even 105 which I imagine fixes the rest of the mess

hopefully the image is visible and not too blurry

[wind spade]

most likely just a rounding error

but the machine numbers are correct

[frank snow]

might have to manually crunch some numbers ig

[wind spade]

why, if the tool already did it for you?

[livid torrent]

What is a good recommended amount of Fused Modular Frame production. enought where i can set up other productions and not really worry about needing that much more

[wind spade]

most items are only needed in small amounts like 5/min

[livid torrent]

and its used in like 3 recipes so like 15-20 or smth??

or is that still over kill?

[wind spade]

well for that I'd wait until you build those recipes

make what you need now, make what you need later later

[vapid gorge]

like greeny said, rounding error, just do it as 105

[nimble haven]

sorry for the bad illistration but how do i make it so i can turn off each row of machines with a switch but also have a kill switch that turns them all off thats not the first switch. like if i turned off the front priorit switch the rest would stop. hhow do i prevent this?

[vapid gorge]

this way you can turn them off individually or all at once

don't know why you want to be shutting off machines randomly though

[nimble haven]

❤️

[rustic skiff]

So I am setting up my final big factory but certain parts require being transported by train/etc to be made elsewhere and then come back or something like fused modular frames. Let's say my factory needs 10 units/min. How should I best account for travel time, unload time, etc etc into the math for such things? (This may be very general but I'm not sure how it will affect the "productivity " equations and such at all so not sure what questions to ask)

[smoky aurora]

i usally set a big storage right after HMF factory output ,... also i got a overproduction with exact this purpose ,.. so i just set a tain line providing the HMF consistantly ,...

i dont bother with drones or tractors ,. but everyone here got a different way of solving such things xD

[vapid gorge]

If you have to bring a bunch of little things you might as well drone

[peak stump]

hey everyone, i could use some help with coupon cost calculations if someone wouldnt mind. Ive been using the equations on the wiki and i believe ive worked out ive printed 596 tickets so far. and i need 700 tickets more to get my golden nut. Im trying to work out how much those 700 tickets will cost, but i keep getting different answers so im obviously messing up somewhere. Anyone able to give me a hand?

ive been going: cumlative cost of 1296 coupons minus cumulative cost of 596 coupons

[smoky aurora]

just sink everything till u got them

[peak stump]

i dont wanna sink everything and realise it wasnt enough cuz then ill be starting from 0 resources 🤣

[smoky aurora]

just the products over stock

[peak stump]

actually could just make a save and test it to be fair and revert if not

[smoky aurora]

i buffer all productiob liine at the end with a big storage and a splitter to a sink in front so the overflow will get sinked and i still got a full storage unit of the parts

u finished phase 5?

i dont think a number like 560392 Supercomputer to sink would actually help you -.-

[wooden jasper]

methinks there might be a serious problem

[fallow siren]

what phase are you in?

[smoky aurora]

the serious problem is you will run out of energy very soon ,.. but the more consumption and power available the line will flatten anyway ,.. it just because the graph got not much to show

[peak stump]

yeah finished phase 5, but didnt really set up a proper factory for it, mostly manually transferring between buffers

[smoky aurora]

well this is not how it supposed to play the game mainly

the game is about automation and logistic

[peak stump]

i am aware 😭

[fallow siren]

ok automate and sink ballistic warp drives, they produces ALOT of points

[smoky aurora]

so u want a solution for somthing u defintly messed up yurself ,...

[fallow siren]

5/min warp drives should be enough

[smoky aurora]

automate a ahigh valu item from phase 4 or 5 in a big number sloop it sink it

[peak stump]

to be fair i wasnt looking for a solutionto make tickets, i was looking for help working out how long itll take but yeah u right i know

[fallow siren]

its the same really, u want faster ticket, sink more high end tier item

[smoky aurora]

u cant get a number theres no number for ,.. u can say u need a certain ammount of point and this item gives amount X when sinking it ,.. but it will be still a super high number on this single item ,.. then demending on the amount you produce or got available it takes more or less time also if you sink it in 1 sink its a difference instead of sinking it to 3 sinks at same time ,.. you got way to many factors to mind ,.. so there is no clear number!

[peak stump]

It really wasn’t that complicated. I just wanted an idea of an output for a warp drive factory I should aim for. Eg. once turned on it’ll finish my quota in 10 hours, or 5 hours etc etc

Appreciate ur help tho lads. I got it from here, just gonna go big

[vapid gorge]

Automate the sinking, keep playing

[crimson moat]

i got the nut in mid p4

from sinking overflow

if you have less than half of the tickets you need, you're only like 15% of the way there

it comes in a reasonable amount of time with a few mill sink points/min, but a lot more than 10 hours. It's like.. the last 100 tokens probably took over 10 hours lol. Not that much when you're busy playing the game and it's just going in the background, but a lot to wait on.

If you wanna rush after neglecting it til endgame then you probably want 20mil, so like 8 ballistic warp drives/min to give the right magnitude of speed (0.8 won't do it anytime soon, and 80 aren't needed). More is more better.

@peak stump

[vapid gorge]

@smoky python plan make sense for you?

any questions how it was done?

[smoky python]

I think I understand, trying to replicate what you selected but it for some reason it wants me to use SAM, limestone etc, not sure what I have marked wrong

[vapid gorge]

check out the settings on the link I shared to you. Both iron ore and sam ore is turned off

[crimson moat]

You have to disable SAM and disable recipies that you don't want to use in the controls, otherwise it tries to use some really weird stuf

[vapid gorge]

you could get the same effect by:

a) turning off the converter building
or
b) turning off the conversion recipes by typing ( into the search bar and unchecking them

I'll generally leave 1 empty tab open with all the conversion recipes ticked off and duplicate it whenever I make a new plan

[smoky python]

Ok yeah now it shows correctly when iron ore and SAM is disabled

[vapid gorge]

cause I never use those

but yeah, my advice is keep an empty tab open with no conversion recipes and duplicate it as needed 🙂

SFtools version 2.0 will prob have better settings to deal with that

[smoky python]

Weird, I always thought Bolted Iron Plate was better but apparently not since it defaults to regular recipe anyway

[outer vale]

gotta define "better"

[vapid gorge]

it uses more parts per RIP

but is much faster

if you want ot use bolted just uncheck the base recipe

what I do is when I tick a new recipe I'll uncheck the old one to always force the planner down one path

[smoky python]

Yeah I figured out how to use the recipes

[safe gorge]

is a mob farm possible?

[wind spade]

no

[safe gorge]

get hostile creatures , and kill them

if we lay a known spot that spawns one creature with conveyer belts , will that prevent it from spawning?

if yes , then no enemies , that's a plus

if no , then we can move on to step number 2 , killing them

[vapid gorge]

into a gas field? you'd still have to collect teh meat in the gas and I wouldn't bet on the critters staying on the belts

[safe gorge]

"If other types of hostile creatures are nearby, wait out of detection. They will fight, damage, and kill each other. This leaves the survivors with less HP to deal with."

stingers kill other creatures

or maybe the player can kill the creatures , like in an enderman farm in minecraft

[vapid gorge]

you can't force spawn them in one spot like that

[safe gorge]

they spawn in one spot

[vapid gorge]

ok? wait 10 minutes between spawns to have one spawn in a box for you. yay

[safe gorge]

i know a couple of spots that spawn one creature in the same place

[vapid gorge]

again 'ok?'

[safe gorge]

even if killed

[magic dock]

Sounds like all of this is possible by just killing them without all the steps

[vapid gorge]

you can't force spawns from other spots into one spot like endermen

and the respawn is very slow.

like Jur just said - just go and kill critters

[safe gorge]

is it 10 mins?
will using the hypercanon to unload and load again do it?

[magic dock]

No idea how many mechanics are behind the respawning process

[safe gorge]

exactly , we need to find that out

[magic dock]

They either respawn or they don't if there's a lot of buildables or powered buildings nearby

[vapid gorge]

they don't respawn if there's one powered building nearby

[outer vale]

well volunteered, go forth and report back

[vapid gorge]

in any case it won't be a farm

[wind spade]

not sure there's "unloading"

it sounds like you're trying to play minecraft instead of playing satisfactory

[safe gorge]

is the code available?
i can take a look

[vapid gorge]

they do weird things like despawn when they get too far from their spawn spot

[wind spade]

no lol, game isn't opensource

[outer vale]

no, test in-game

[safe gorge]

oxygen not included is not open source , yet the source code is available through a decompiler

[wind spade]

that's not "available"

decompliler doesn't give you the original source code anyway

[safe gorge]

what kind of tests would be helpful?

[safe gorge]

but close enough to give an idea how the game works

[outer vale]

whatever stuff you're asking questions about that aren't being answered?

[safe gorge]

okay , i will do research and report back

[wind spade]

sure (but also may be illegal to do so)

depending on game code license

[safe gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8ju_10NkGY

[vapid gorge]

creatures also don't spawn unless you're nearby

[stone root]

I'm pretty sure it's faster to just run around the map and killing creatures

And I'm pretty sure you'd have to use slow tractors to move them around

[outer vale]

depending on what you're trying to achieve it's probably faster to build a factory

if you're after sink points, power, or jetpack fuel, then they're all automatable anyway

[smoky python]

Sink points just come naturally I feel like. After setting up basic, low output production to unlock Phase 2 I just keep the production and sink them. Over time I unlock pretty much everything I could need and more. Unless you are a turbogamer, then that doesnt cut it I bet

[safe gorge]

how are sink points automatable?

[wind spade]

you... sink stuff?

[crimson moat]

On the stuff that you've automated, instead of filling storage and then just turning off, you keep it running and send overflow to a sink via smart splitter. That gets you all of the unlocks and the golden nut achievement etc before finishing the game.

[vapid gorge]

attach a belt to it

put stuff on belt

profit

[fierce ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-bean-mr-bean-mr-bean-gifs-shocked-shock-gif-18472194

thats insane

[opaque quartz]

Hence my earlier comment about going HDD hunting. Those alts are totally worth it when you are ready to go big time with fuel power

[tropic hawk]

just wait until you hear that Rocket Fuel is better than Nuclear...

[outer vale]

and then hear that nuclear is better than rocket fuel

because it turns out opinions and preferences are a thing

[fierce ruin]

i think using rocket fuel in nuclear is better

[outer vale]

alternate between fuel gens and nuclear reactors

[tropic hawk]

let me clarify: for extreme long term usage, in terms of resources/GWh, Rocket fuel beats nuclear.

[oblique hollow]

If you weigh Oil, sulfur and nitrogen more than uranium and sulfur and aluminum + steel

Main downside with Fuel: its so freakin monotonous to set up hundreds of fuel gens

[crimson moat]

I have 2 belts of 750 ingots and need to split them off to feed 300 somewhere and 520 somewhere else

up to mk5 available

best/easiest solution that doesn't waste a ton?

[opaque quartz]

Just manifold

Answer is always manifold

[outer vale]

smart split into manifold, merge the remainders?

[opaque quartz]

The thing that needs 300 will eat 300. Whatever is left will go the other way, eventually

[outer vale]

there's no "waste" however you split, you'll always have (750 * 2) - 300 - 520 left over

[crimson moat]

I'm not making a kilometer long manifold to split resources between factories

[outer vale]

oddly specific, what are you doing then?

[opaque quartz]

Yeah I’m confused what you are trying to do tbh

[crimson moat]

processing a bunch of stuff in one place and then shipping it out to 2+ places

first part is already done

[opaque quartz]

What is your long distance logistics?

Train?

[crimson moat]

anything, it's partially belted nearby but the other resources needed for second factory aren't there

[opaque quartz]

You could run a train line with three stations, one at the source fed by the two belts into an ISC buffer in front of the platform

And then two stations at the destinations

Once the stations are full up, they will in effect behave like a long-distance manifold

You could also consider drones

[primal shadow]

Split off a 270 belt, and also a 60 belt, split the 60 belt feeding 30 back into the main one and merging 30 with the 270.

Maybe idk

That’s what I’d try

[worn trout]

Anyone know if there's a way to just delete extra fluids

(cause there's no fluid AWESOME sink last I checked)

[dusky dust]

Nope; gotta process them somehow

[worn trout]

Will fluids automatically overflow out of a junction or do I gotta do some crappy math shit

[dusky dust]

The usual methods are to either recycle it back to earlier steps in the process (ideally using separate machines for the "fresh" vs. "byproduct" fluid), turning it into a solid to sink, or using it for some other production chain

[worn trout]

Problem is I can only fit 600 p/min I to a pipe and I'm making 800 p/min out of 10 machines

[dusky dust]

You can set up an "overflow" pipe with a sort of reverse U-bend (the top of the bend has to be above all the other inputs/outputs on that side of the system). But that's generally never necessary

[dusky dust]

Split that up into two pipes each carrying 400. :)

[worn trout]

I had all my math for the factory based on 600 p/min pipes 😭

[dusky dust]

fyi, keeping a constant 600/min through mk2 pipes isn't especially intuitive, and often requires some pretty specific and obtuse build techniques

[worn trout]

Guess having half filled pipes is better than trying to do weird math

[dusky dust]

If you've got situations like this where it's easier to split into a couple of 400/min pipes anyway, you'll probably have an easier time with that

[worn trout]

Idk how I'm doing it but my fluid buffers are usually showing a 602 p/m flow

[dusky dust]

The general advice I always copy+paste for 600/min throughput, though, fwiw:

1. Keep the system as simple and short as possible.
2. Loop your manifolds (so: the input goes into both sides of the machines you're feeding)
3. Feed fluid from above, so gravity does part of the work for you
   4a. Avoid valves entirely (they've been improved for 1.0, so this one might not be as important, but you still don't actually need valves)
   4b. Avoid fluid buffers entirely (except as buffers for train lines, where they are rather necessary)
4. Prefill your pipes! Full pipes are happy pipes. Wait until the system's thoroughly saturated before turning machines on.
5. Place junctions before pipes. If you do snap junctions onto pipes, dismantle and rebuild the pipes afterwards.

See #screenshots message for an example of 2+3 specifically.

[outer vale]

you could maybe adjust your clocks to push 600 out of one set of refineries and the remaining 200 from the other, but yeah that, better to not do the full 600 if you can help it

[worn trout]

I already do 3 and 5 and 6

[worn trout]

I've got it clocked to eat a full 600 p/min pipe of oil

[dusky dust]

You will almost definitely need to do 2 as well, btw

Though it's technically not necessary; you can get working 600/min setups without various bits of that advice. Looping tends to really help though

[worn trout]

I'm probably just gonna go with the 2 400 lines, flow rate isn't too important I'm just making diluted fuel

[outer vale]

if you've got an even split of consumers, then you can just run it as two separate sets

[rotund sky]

How much 'belt material' do you guys make per minute?

[worn trout]

Wdym belt material

[wind spade]

buffers are generally not recommended

[rotund sky]

Materials you use to make belts, like iron plates, reinforced iron plates steel beams etc

[worn trout]

Why not?

[wind spade]

they don't really do anything useful and often just hide issues

[worn trout]

I just put em at the top of my towers cause they look better than just bare pipe

[wind spade]

which leads people to think that buffers "helped" them, while they just moved the issue elsewhere

eh, "water towers" are also kinda pointless, you can just use a pump to reach height normally

[worn trout]

Yeah but I'd rather have 6 pumps at the start of the line the keep putting pumps any time I need to go up a lil bit

[wind spade]

how long is the pipe?

generally you want to have short pipes

so the pumps can very well be on the start, but without making a water tower

[worn trout]

Depends how far away the machines are

But I do also make them longer than they have to be sometimes if it looks nicer

[wind spade]

I'd recommend building the factories near fluids

in the end do whatever you like and works for you (obviously, it's your save 🙂 ), but I'm just giving my recommendation for non-problematic fluids 🙂

[worn trout]

Oh the fluids aren't problematic I just have more than I want

[wind spade]

why did you make more then? 😛

[worn trout]

Cause I wanted to use a whole pipeline of oil and turns out that makes more oil residue than I wanted

[wind spade]

underclock the extractor

[opaque quartz]

FYI you can have full pipes that aren’t maxing out the flow rate. The flow rate can only be achieved if the pipes are full, but the inverse is not true

So splitting into two pipes at 400/min each does not mean the pipes can’t be “full”

[wind spade]

afaik you can have flow rate with non-full pipes

[opaque quartz]

Yeah, fair. But harder to guarantee I think

Safer to just assume that a full pipe will be needed to reach full flow rate

[hushed silo]

i always use pumps to either lift fluids or secure correct direction of flow rate

dont know why they arent recommended here this much

[nimble haven]

hey is there hotkeys for the items on my inventory?

[versed violet]

kind of yes and no.
There are no hotkeys to swap equipment or place it in hotbars, to switch weapons you have to add them to hands slot. You get more slots as you progress. (there is a mod for hotkey for equipment tho)
When interacting with machines, the top ten items displayed can be quick selected by number keys.

[nimble haven]

i only ask because my scroll wheel on my mouse has been having issues so swaping between guns and heals is kinda hard lol

[versed violet]

replace the mouse. Or at least try cleaning the wheel.

[nimble haven]

Cant aford. and i dont know how correctly clean it.

[versed violet]

Mouse are not that expensive and it is going to get worse. For basic clean, start by using vacuum cleaner (tube) to try and suck all the junk from around the wheel.

[nimble haven]

I mean, most mice that are worth anyones time cost more than this game its self.

[versed violet]

Do you need a fancy expensive mouse?
I personally use a basic Bloody V7M that costs 19 USD converted. I have one at home for gaming, and my workplace actually issues those as office mouses 😂 .Price and availability in your country may vary.

[nimble haven]

this . . .

[versed violet]

yes, a basic mouse

[nimble haven]

question. when you move your mouse from one spot to another. does your mouse sensor lose track?

[versed violet]

no, unless I have dirt on my desk. vacuuming the desk and sensor every week keeps it working just fine. If you get intermittent blind spots, check for stray hair

[nimble haven]

Nah i dont. but seems interesting you own a mouse under 20 usd that has any quality or "gaming" control at all.

I have a g-wolves mouse.

[versed violet]

quality is pretty good for the price. as for gaming, all I really need is working buttons and mouse4/5 available

[nimble haven]

mine is wired and wireless.

expensive but did its job . . . till i didnt.

[versed violet]

I don't consider wireless a 'gaming' gear

[nimble haven]

wirelessness dont make a mouse for gaming. just adds convenience.

[versed violet]

Wireless is a problem waiting to happen. Lost connection or battery runing low, and you suddenly loose all control during a raid and end up dead. Does not happen on wired mouse. Thus, I do not consider wireless reasonable for any gaming purposes.

[nimble haven]

I could argue the same thing with wired mouse as you constantly wipping around a wire that at any point during its length can give out and now you dont have a mouse. and also if you spend above 120 usd on a wirelessx mouse youre issue for wireless mouse isnt a thing. maybe if your using a battery powered wireless mouse yah you gonna lose connectionand why are you using a battery powered mouse

Wireless mice to me are just better for gaming cause of newtones laws lol

If you flick your mouse (not taking any consideration of your dpi or ig sense) the wire will fling everywhere unless properly strapped down. at that point a wireless dongle pointed just out of your mouse space zone strapped down is just better

you can argue that you need to plug in your mouse to charge it so why unplug it?

[timber holly]

I have a shitty $10 office mouse that gets the job done perfectly

[nimble haven]

Well again newtons law

[nimble haven]

I wish i had the same luck. but i play more competitive games.

[timber holly]

What games for example

[nimble haven]

a 10 usd office mouse would actually die

[nimble haven]

Apex, valorant and cs.

[timber holly]

I used to play all of those

They work just fine with a cheap mouse

[nimble haven]

causal vs comp is very different

[timber holly]

But I see your point

[nimble haven]

im sure a 10 usd mouse worked fine

for your use

Now did i have to burn more money on my mouse than i did no. do i regret it? kinda. are there prob better and cheaper mice out there? yes. But did i have the oney at the time to afford an expensive kinda mouse? yes. do i now? no

But i will try to clean the scroll wheel

[wind spade]

I never had issues with wired mouse and I'm never going wireless again

[vapid gorge]

you can get a basic mouse for like, less than 10usd

or look up a youtube video on cleaning mice wheels

[vapid gorge]

and a usable mouse is better than a non usable mouse.

[civic bronze]

nah, caught mouse is better

[versed violet]

Based on sample size of 6, wire failures never happen. All my mouse died because the primary key switch got worn out. The wire doesn't get in the way, although I do have mine supported above the desk for convenience. The question about batteries is real - if you are wireless, per murphys law, its going to run out of power in least convenient moment. And if you keep it plugged in all the time, you are basically using a wired mouse that couple times more expensive.
You can either replace your mouse with average level gear that will work, and working mouse of lower class is better than almost working mouse. Or you can try to disasemble your mouse and clean the wheel, but if you end breaking it, you will need another mouse.
If you are dead-set on using a mouse with broken wheel (doesnt that bother you in competitive games??), there is a mod that allows equipment hotkeys.

[queen sigil]

I got a ficsonium plated 11 button mouse that's wired and wireless for competitive Satisfactory! 🤔

[primal shadow]

I wonder how much ficsonium would cost like compared to gold in our world

[hallow moth]

that made me think of a topic for a game theory video

how much money ficsit makes off of a pioneer with the completed space elevator

[crimson moat]

It also depends heavily on the height of the pipe and its connections. Requiring pipes to be full for full flow only applies to flowing uphill or maybe flowing perfectly level.

if you have a pipe substantially higher than one that it's flowing into, they can do 100% flow rate while <=5% full. And in the inverse, the pipe below it cannot flow into the vertical one at all unless it's 100% full.

When perfectly flat you get flow rate proportional to how full it is, i'm not sure of the exact curve.

The behavior changes radically with even a 1m change in elevation, and it's based on the average height of the pipe regardless of the shape i believe - so if you have two pipes which look the same but one of them is like 3 smaller pipes and the other is 2 pipes which cut off at a different place, they can behave completely differently. For a proper screenshot diagnostic you need to color each pipe section alternating colors or something, because building the same thing visually won't give the same results if you use more or less or differently placed pipe sections to form what is visually the same thing. It's particularly obvious on "U" sections, either way up.

[nimble haven]

i dont know how but i want a like "oh shit, i noodled my belts too much now i cant organize this UHHHHHHHH" button

[viral sparrow]

its called "New Game"

[opaque quartz]

Press G to set a filter on a specific item when in dismantle mode so you can remove all your pipes without touching anything else

[nimble haven]

Yah but my placement for my machines . . . . AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

still helps ❤️

When i first started playing i made my stuff compact cause i wasnt sure how much space i could have. now im like near end game and dont wanan re creat my shit but i just might. cause i think if i did i could be getting WAY more out of it.

can i color corrolate my belts? is that a thing?

i see ytbers have their machines and builds have dif colors. but not sure how

[opaque quartz]

Press X for the customizer

Xustomizer

[nimble haven]

OMG YES.

i think it will be possible. i think.

imma make future koyo proud

[nimble haven]

is it possible to make like a pipeline that allowed lane switching

[wind spade]

Lane switching?

[nimble haven]

Like, you know who you can do it with trains. is there a diy to make it so instead of taking a straight line through a pipe it like shoots you and you have a moment to go down another direction?

[robust raptor]

I think they're adding hypertube junctions in a future update? Can't confirm

[bitter wharf]

pipes, not hypertubes

[bitter wharf]

prolly not one that would work 100% of the time

[robust raptor]

I'm guessing they mean hypertubes because it says "it shoots you and you have a moment to go down another direction" which implies hypertubes, not pipes

[nimble haven]

right right hyper tubes not pipes

[bitter wharf]

maybe, ig we'll see

ahh mb mb

[analog meteor]

idk wasnt there passibly a hypertube juction at the end of one of the recent videos they released?

[fallow siren]

from the looks of it maybe a Y junction

who knows

[opaque quartz]

Hypertube Junctions have been teased in 1.1, but we don’t know anything more at this point. Watch the last few mins of this video #announcements message

[oblique hollow]

The relationship between pipe flow and pipe fullness, for flat pipes, is linear

[fierce ruin]

would it be better to connect these oil residue pipes? 40/min per set of 4, the residue will be going to 6 (maybe 3 at 200%) fuel gens

or i could have 2/1 fuel gens for each set of 4

[outer vale]

if not approaching pipe limits, there's not much difference

that said, you can't power fuel gens with heavy oil residue

[fierce ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-willem-dafoe-christian-gif-25996870

ok so are these closed loops even necessary? i keep thinking they are

the input is at the bottom

[wind spade]

necessary? no
recommended? yes

[outer vale]

they're a good idea, at least. More important for mk2

[fierce ruin]

gotcha

so this can fill 1 refinery turning the oil res into fuel, do i do a loop with that or do i just feed it straight

[amber umbra]

The loops are a workaround solution to pipes not transferring the full 600 fluid/minute but instead transferring like 590 fluid/minute. Conceptually, non looped is easier to understand the “item” flow.

Can avoid the issue entirely by splitting up production lines to use <590 fluid/minute.

[fierce ruin]

added valves going to the left, it starts at 10 at the right and then increase by 10 per valve. will this do anything or is it unnecessary

scrap that i just realised i need 60 residual oil/min for 40 fuel

[fallow siren]

no need to use valves

feed straight to refineries

[fierce ruin]

gotcha

[crimson moat]

I think it's linear across the board, but the start and end points aren't clear

[oblique hollow]

there it depends on "does the fluid level manage to reach 1.5m at the outflow?"
if the fluid moves from high to low, you just need 1.5/pipe length x volume (?? idk how to express this tbh. Not in the mindset for doing math)
if its low to high, you need (pipe length-1.5) x volume minimum
roughly. basically you just need to make sure the fluid level manages to reach 1.5 m at the outflow directly
anything from 0 to 1.5 affects flow

[crimson moat]

I think the curve is flatter than that, and also there is weirdness with the way that the pipe heights are registered but i will do more tests

[oblique hollow]

it should be roughly in this region

[crimson moat]

for example i put my feed pipes at +2m, and they still fill up more than halfway while a pipe at +10m is at 4% doing the same flow

[fierce ruin]

should i have a fluid buffer between my fuel gen and fuel refiner?

[crimson moat]

no

[wind spade]

never use fluid buffers, they hide problems

(apart from buffering fluid train platform, they are kinda needed there)

[fierce ruin]

alright

[crimson moat]

what do you think for a test rig, i was thinking of inputting 600 through a pipe that is like, say 16 meters long with the other end at +1m, +2m, +3m, +4m, +5m etc and charting how full it gets vs angle / height diff

[oblique hollow]

any test is good as long as you document it well enough / it is easily understood

[fierce ruin]

i had to overlock my 2 oil extractors to 125% because the fuel gens werent getting enough fuel

nevermind, the 240/min one is at 125% while the 120/min one is at 140%

it started losing fuel

[fierce ruin]

all this for 10 computers

no idea how im meant to do this lol

[dusky dust]

If it makes you feel any better, that will eventually feel like a quaint little doodle of a factory. :)

[fierce ruin]

ive only been using a few nodes

[dusky dust]

Though as with anything: just take it bit by bit. Get some copper over near some oil, then slap down the smelters, then the constructors, etc.

Get it done bit by bit and eventually at the end you'll have some computers

[fierce ruin]

the planning for where stuff will be will be the worst

[dusky dust]

(You may or may not want to follow the suggestion for what to do with the HOR byproduct there, btw -- if you've got fuel gens available you could use it to generate some power, otherwise it might be a better bet to convert it to Petroleum Coke)

Wherever you decide on, do it near the oil. Or at least make the plastic near the oil. If you want to ship the plastic elsewhere then by all means do that, but try to avoid transporting the oil itself.

[fierce ruin]

how do i transport the resources?

belts or trains?

[dusky dust]

Belts, vehicles, trains, or drones. :) (I realize you don't have drones yet)

All the available logistics options are good.

(and actually, we should divert to #satisfactory if you want to continue this; it's a bit offtopic for here)

[fervent cipher]

can anyone help me figure out why the rail leaving the station is always blocked even when there are no trains on it within the area?

[dusky dust]

Maybe open a #1038092680493801533 thread?

[timber holly]

I'm making 20 computers a minute with the crystal computer alt

And you can avoid oil by using the silicon circuit board alt

[civic bronze]

I think number 3 should be block signal

[outer vale]

this long since moved into #1038092680493801533

[timber holly]

Quick question about rocket fuel, which recipe is better for making it

[fallow siren]

depends on which you think are better

nitro use more nitrogen and sulfur, but skip turbo entirely

default needs nitric and turbo, but use less sulfur

[opaque quartz]

The nitro alt is relatively simple to set up when combined with HOR and diluted fuel. But it is way more hungry for sulfur

[gleaming shuttle]

the regular recipe lets you do a 19:5 turbo blend:turbofuel ratio by backfeeding the compacted coal byproduct into turbofuel

very efficient on sulfur and nitrogen but much more complicated

example https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=FMUjtPE7kKZle9QuZGmm

(ignore the weirdly complicated iron processing for nitric acid, the point is just the turbofuel recipes)

meanwhile if youre already making fuel, nitro rocket fuel is just 1 step

so its very simple to set up and its also more efficient on oil

the increased sulfur cost is immense though, like 2x as much

[timber holly]

Is this the most efficient way or nah

I'm looking at it and it looks really simple

[gleaming shuttle]

efficient in terms of what?

[fallow siren]

define efficient

[timber holly]

And 1000 rocket fuel makes something crazy like 60gw of lower

Power

[gleaming shuttle]

if you want to get maximum output per input crude oil, then the best way is the nitro rocket fuel alt

[timber holly]

Like least resources used

[fallow siren]

normal recipe then

[gleaming shuttle]

but that recipe is terrible in terms of sulfur and also worse on nitrogen

[fallow siren]

turbo+nitric

[timber holly]

Yeah I'm worried about sulfur

[fallow siren]

nitro use twice as much sulfur

[timber holly]

Is there any benefit to using petroleum coke in the turbo fuel recipe as opposed to just regular compact coal

[gleaming shuttle]

the most sulfur-efficient recipe is the one i linked yes

[timber holly]

In the link he sent it uses petroleum coke

[gleaming shuttle]

the 19:5 mix

[fallow siren]

it saves coal

[timber holly]

Aii bet

[gleaming shuttle]

saves coal and sulfur

[timber holly]

Thanks bro

Looking at it now it looks so simple

Also how rare is nitrogen gas

[gleaming shuttle]

nitrogen is kinda weird

its rare in that it doesnt appear in many places on the map, but most uses of it are fairly low quantity so if you bother to tap it youll probably have plenty

[fallow siren]

theres 12k nitrogen in total

[gleaming shuttle]

kinda like caterium i guess - plentiful but awkward to get

[timber holly]

Ok thanks 🙏

[fallow siren]

you wont use a lot of nitrogen aside from large power plant

[gleaming shuttle]

yeah theres some alts that use nitrogen but they dont use much

so feel free to spend most of your nitrogen on power

also fused frames ofc

[timber holly]

Nitrogen is only really used for rocket fuel and nuclear stuff right

[gleaming shuttle]

fused frames & cooling systems require it

[timber holly]

Are those a pain to make

I'm working on an HMF factory and it's taking a lot

[gleaming shuttle]

fused modular frames are basically HMF factory + aluminum processing + nitrogen gas

so if you already have an HMF factory youve done the hardest step

[timber holly]

I see

Alr thanks

Also is 15 hmf a minute a good benchmark for future use and stuff

[gleaming shuttle]

should be plenty for progressing through the tiers and personal use

i usually shoot for ≥10 in my first hmf factory

and even that feels excessive most of the time

trying to plan out all your future use in advance is a fool's errand

[fallow siren]

hmf to fmf is only 1:1, so youre fine

[gleaming shuttle]

if it's not enough you can always make more

but for now 15 will be plenty

[timber holly]

Oh ok perfect

[gleaming shuttle]

i think the things that use nitrogen are

• power, both rocket fuel and uranium (this will be by far your largest use)
• fused modular frames (fairly small use)
• cooling systems (largest non-power use, but still not too bad)
• optional alt recipe for quartz, "quartz purification" (small nitrogen use in exchange for much better crystal/silica yields per raw quartz)

and i believe that's it

[timber holly]

Is the quartz purification better than the water one I forget the name

[gleaming shuttle]

"better" is contextual, its more complicated and a bit more awkward to work with since it produces a mixture of silica and crystals (so if you need way more crystals than silica, for example, it might not be as practical)

if all you care about is getting crystals, pure quartz will give you the most crystals per raw quartz

[timber holly]

Makes sense

What's the alt that uses nitrogen called

[gleaming shuttle]

"quartz purification"

[timber holly]

I'm trying to find it on the wiki but I can't find it

[gleaming shuttle]

uses nitric acid specifically

which is a mix of nitrogen, iron, and water

i wouldnt recommend it most of the time

but its fun to play around with

[steel monolith]

if I have 800 fully over clocked reactors how many water pumps is that

[gleaming shuttle]

surely you cannot possibly fuel all those even using all resources on the map

[vapid gorge]

1600if npps. Do basic math (also it’s extractors)

[viral sparrow]

4000 i think

if none of water extractors are overcloked

[steel monolith]

yea ran out of power shards

[gleaming shuttle]

have you considered automating power shards before making 800 reactors

[viral sparrow]

so you do have 800 npps?

[steel monolith]

nah

[steel monolith]

yes

[viral sparrow]

that's almost more fuel gens in my whole world

i need to see this

[steel monolith]

how would i show u

[gleaming shuttle]

how are you producing enough fuel

how many sloops are you using

[steel monolith]

ahh forgot to say modded

[gleaming shuttle]

oh lol

but yeah thatd be 4000 non-overclocked extractors

600 * 800 / 120

[steel monolith]

thanks

[viral sparrow]

jesus christ...

[gleaming shuttle]

have fun with those water pipes

[nimble haven]

LMFAO

[steel monolith]

ima leave it to a friend

[nimble haven]

Bro i can barley get water to go up one pipe without problams. your shits out of render

[viral sparrow]

what the actual fuck am i looking at

[nimble haven]

100k MW

[viral sparrow]

how many fuel rods is this

[steel monolith]

5m mw

[nimble haven]

DAMN

[steel monolith]

100k to easy

[nimble haven]

the materials

[steel monolith]

took 2 weeks

[viral sparrow]

are you using a mod that lets you artificially place nodes

[steel monolith]

how did u know

[fallow siren]

just by the looks its a mod

no map, its skyblock

[steel monolith]

1600

[viral sparrow]

your world looks like a skyblock kinda thing

[steel monolith]

you should look up LordNugget

got the idea from him

dont worry glitch i have a blueprint for fuel rods

[viral sparrow]

i must say i'm tempted to add it to my world to save me from logistics

(placeable nodes)

[steel monolith]

what i am worried about is 20k a min of waste

[viral sparrow]

hold on a minute

[steel monolith]

25*800

[fallow siren]

u have infinite nodes anyway, turn all of those into plutonium

[steel monolith]

dont have it unlocked

and its a special recipe

[viral sparrow]

please, please tell me you are using mega prints / blooprint zoop

blueprint * been watching too much rust content

[steel monolith]

what u mean

[viral sparrow]

mods

[steel monolith]

yea

[viral sparrow]

wait hold up placeable nodes means i am not bound to building around nitrogen or oil

[steel monolith]

yep

[viral sparrow]

that's a fun thought

i don't particularly want to make a second train for turbo motors and pasta either

hmmmm

[steel monolith]

wait its only 800 extractors

[viral sparrow]

huh

[steel monolith]

mk3 extractor

[timber holly]

Only 😭

[steel monolith]

yep

[somber flint]

Is there a maximum amount of constructors a given manifold can support? or is it fine as long as your total consumption equals your total supply? eg if my foundry is outputting 200 Steel Ingots, does it matter how many constructors i use that up in as long as Im not consuming more than 200/min?

[nimble haven]

Is there a "useful" point to unclocking a machine?

[fallow siren]

check the math

for example, if youre placing row of machine that consumes 200/min, you set a manifold line that produce 200/min

as simple as that

as u can see here, each row of foundry produce 180/min steel ingots, i just set manifold line that consumes 180/min each

[somber flint]

Gotcha, does the amount of machines matter if the consumption is the same? will 20 machines consuming 10/min work at the same effeciency as 40 consuming 5?

[fallow siren]

yes

as long as it matches the production/consumption

amount of machines doesnt matter

[somber flint]

Gotcha, thank you!

[fallow siren]

underclocking mostly used to match the output/input

for example if your planner shows 2.5 constructor, you can build 3 constructors (2 at 100% and 1 at 50% or 83.3333% for each constructor)

[snow geyser]

Only thing is that the more machines you have on one manifold line, the longer it takes the factory to “spin up.” That is unless you build a load balancer for each line.

[fallow siren]

no it doesnt matter bcs u are still consuming at the same rate

i test both and they saturate at the same time

[snow geyser]

Really? I’ll have to do some tests of my own. My case is at least true at lower belt speeds I believe.

[vapid gorge]

Mostly depends on stack size

But also who cares if it takes a while to spin up? You won’t be near finishing your next factory before it runs full speed

[crimson moat]

You are correct here

10 machines at 100% clock need a belt to amass 8 stacks plus the amount consumed before that happens in order to achieve stability, and during the last stack building up your manifold is burning ~95% of the input so that part takes as long as inputting 20 stacks of the material. Say you have a 780 belt and 200 stack size, the last few machines take minutes each to fill up.

100 machines at 10% clock need the same belt to amass between 99 and 100 stacks plus the amount consumed before that happens in order to achieve stability. During the last stack buildup, the manifold is burning 99.5% of your material input so you have to input 200 stacks of material just to fill the second-to-last-machine entirely. That 98'th machine would take over half an hour just for that one machine to fill up (and thus properly feed the 100'th and increase the output from 99.5% to 100% of expected) if you started the manifold with everything except the last machines already full.

with long manifolds it becomes a quite serious slowdown and obfuscation of what is happening with your machines since it takes a very long time to achieve steady-state. If you've made a mistake that results in a manifold being slightly underfed, you might not be able to tell until it stalls out at 90-95% of expected production after literal hours rather than eventually climbing up to 100%.

[crimson moat]

It's also worth a note that with multiple production stages feeding each other, manifolds cannot warm up properly in parallel and part of it has to happen serially. That is: The manifold on stage 4 can't start the hardest part of its warmup until stage 3 is warmed, and that can't start the hardest part until stage 2 is warmed, and that can't start the hardest part until stage 1 is warmed - so you get partially additive delays, rather than being able to say "This warmup is the longest and it takes 5 hours, therefore everything in the factory will be at 100% after 5 hours"

[crimson moat]

Splitting 1 belt into say 4 for example and then 4 mini manifolds doesn't help much because the problem is the amount of unfilled inventory on the constructors and regardless of the splitters before manifold you're relying on that to fill and overflow on all but the last two machines for the manifold to function; that's the part that takes time. You can't substantially shorten that unless you input more total material or consume less of it during the fill up time.

If you have 1 splitter per 3 machines being fed evenly then you can balance perfectly without using the overflow mechanic, and therefore without significant warmup time - but that can require a lot of splitters. If you do make a manifold or series of manifolds that would take a long time to warm up, do mitigations like turning 20% of it off/down (which disproportionately reduces the warmup time) or pre filling everything if the output is important. If you don't have to care if it's at 70% or 100% for a while then you don't need to bother, because so long as the input is correct everywhere it will ~asymptotically approach full performance.

[crimson moat]

the warmup time would also seem to increase exponentially with manifold length at a given input size, with a manifold of double the length taking much more than twice as long to warm up

[wind spade]

10 machine manifold needs 8 stacks (+ whatever is on belts)

[crimson moat]

Ye my bad i messed that bit up and didn't edit it all correctly 😄

[wooden jasper]

I recently had a big logistics crunch because I had crystal oscillators like 4km away from my manufacturers and they were inconsistently producing stuff. Even though I only use 12.7/min and produce "15"/min the disruptions make it very uneven 😞

I don't think it was worth it for the rigor motor recipe

[rain lichen]

i've seen lots of talk about "depot arrays", is it exactly what it sounds like, as in just an array of dim depots in a manifold to upload one item quicker?

[opaque quartz]

for some materials (like concrete), having more than one DD uploader can be helpful, as the upload speed limit is per uploader

if you have the research fully maxed out, your upload speed is 240/min, but if you are making say 500 concrete/min, you could feed that to two uploaders and effectively replenish the depot at 480/min

[gleaming shuttle]

thats also potentially useful if youre keeping a buffer fwiw

as in, you dont need to be producing 500 concrete/min to benefit from doubled upload speeds, you just need to be transporting 480 concrete/min when youre actually using concrete

if you use a ton of concrete within a short period (like when building the foundations of a factory) and then dont use any for a while (letting the buffer recover), this can potentially justify a 2nd depot

[crimson moat]

i have like 7 depots on concrete so that i can spam it as fast as i can zoop and it won't even deplete the uploaded concrete

[civic bronze]

And i was thinking i was overdoing it with 3

for concrete 3, steel pipes 2, steel beams 2 and everything else i run 1 with buffer as explained by @gleaming shuttle

[thorny heron]

how could you possibly use more than 240/m * 7 concrete?

[thorny heron]

(1680 concrete/min)

[rain lichen]

very very large factory floors

[thorny heron]

you would have to build 240 concrete foundations each minute costing 7 concrete to use as much concrete ur putting in your depots

[rain lichen]

if you got foundation blueprints i reckon you could place down more than 240 total foundations in a minute

[thorny heron]

ohh yeah a minute not a second

[crimson moat]

yep

[rain lichen]

240/second would be insane 😭

[crimson moat]

7 depots = 4 concrete foundations a second

that's fairly easy with zoop

i use coated concrete though so it's more

[rain lichen]

coated concrete my beloved

[civic bronze]

Samee, didnt know it was less lol cool

[crimson moat]

5 concrete, 2 plastic instead of 7 concrete

[civic bronze]

Oh more??

[crimson moat]

so kind of more expensive overall since concrete is so free

but not enough to worry about

[rain lichen]

tbh

once you have whatever stuff you need automated, i don't see anything as more or less expensive

like to be fair, no matter how complex the item, it still flows back into my pockets automatically

[crimson moat]

yeah just eventually it's a node that you can't use for something else

so it can make your other prog eventually take a bit longer or be less convenient, while a limestone for wet concrete anywhere on the map is much less likely to be needed

[steel monolith]

whats the best mehod to get rid of 20k a min of waste

[wind spade]

What waste?

[steel monolith]

nuclear

[wind spade]

Which one

[steel monolith]

uranium

[wind spade]

Make it into plutonium

[steel monolith]

then what i about plu waste

[wind spade]

(That's the only way really)

[wind spade]

Well you don't need to burn the plutonium rods, but if you do, make it into ficsoniun

[steel monolith]

ok thank you

[viral sparrow]

you can sink plutonium fuel rods ^

you can also use them to fuel drones but i doubt youll need to since you are playing skyblock

[viral sparrow]

that reminds me, i was wondering how i get the world to play skyblock?

[steel monolith]

huh

do you want the starting file

[viral sparrow]

i wanted to play it myself

[steel monolith]

is it ok if i start a dm with u

[viral sparrow]

sure

[verbal oar]

For power plants, are material/fluid buffers needed or can they just feed directly into the generators if the load balancing is accurate

given that the i/o is exact quantities

[opaque quartz]

You never need buffers if you match production to consumption

Actually you never need buffers period (except for train platforms)

[civic bronze]

14x2.5=35 thats so weird

[oblique hollow]

for power plants not really

[oblique hollow]

why?
both are part of the multiples of 7
14 is 7 x 2
and 2 x 2.5 is 5
so now you get 7 x 5

[fierce ruin]

which ones better? i can do either without problems

id say left has the nicer numbers so itd be less of a pain to load balance

[wind spade]

That depends how you define better

[fierce ruin]

see i know but im struggling to explain

ease of building, power usage, resources used (and power shards), all that id say is what i define as better (better put as "overall better")

[wind spade]

Each of those shines in different variables

So it's up to you which one you like more

[fierce ruin]

the only real difference is the amount of coal, iron, and copper needed, and their direct manufacturing buildings + which are linked

left 100%

less power too

[dusk grotto]

is there any way i could improve this?

i have mk 4 belts and teir 2 miners

but im wondering if it efficient enough for FICSIT

[vapid gorge]

all those things are covered in the tabs really

[vapid gorge]

use a more legible and saner planner

[dusk grotto]

i dont want to

[vapid gorge]

rip

the ui on the images from modeler is utter dog shit to read from posted images. Good luck

[dusk grotto]

i dont know of any others anyway

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[dusk grotto]

ah

thanks

[vapid gorge]

turn off the SAM ore in the inputs tab first. Bout it really

[dusk grotto]

it is very confusing

[vapid gorge]

what are you trying to make?

[vapid gorge]

for 6.57 motors https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=PyHEIWdgc14MDPFbXmNc

[dusk grotto]

im tryin to make a full iron factory

[vapid gorge]

so what's your final output

'full iron factory' doesn't say anything

[dusk grotto]

all the pre phase 3 iron stuffs

like mod frames

[vapid gorge]

pls... just names and numbers

[dusk grotto]

and rotor

[vapid gorge]

if you don't know the planner can't

[dusk grotto]

and motor

[vapid gorge]

Name + numbers

[dusk grotto]

im just using 6 pure nodes of iron to make everything that involves iron pre phase 3

except steel

[vapid gorge]

how much are you minning from each node?

[dusk grotto]

240

im using two mk 2 miners and feeding both of them into a mk 4 belt

[vapid gorge]

ok rough numbers on the rest

[vapid gorge]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=zYEQ1kVL2T3PjbdQGoso

here motors and mod frames

I set the input to 1440 since thats 6x240 iron

so that limits it

[dusk grotto]

29.33 reinforced iron plates, 8 rotors, 16 mod frames, 4 motors, 304 iron rods, and 160 iron plates per min

all into storage

thats the plan at least

[vapid gorge]

ok click into that link, add those to the products

[remote flame]

So you're kind of planning on this? (This uses 6x pure nodes @240/min each) 🙂 , w. alt recipes selected to go iron consumption only

[dusk grotto]

i dont have the iron wire or the stitched plates though

[vapid gorge]

were you planning on making it with copper? you haven't explained how you were trying to do this

or what your issue was

[remote flame]

Unfortunately to make stators/motors work, you will need wire of some sort, hence copper without alt: iron wire

[fallow siren]

uh just separate each planner for every item

less headache

[remote flame]

Without that one alt recipe (Iron Wire) you'll be forced to use copper (and such a low amount too) in your factory to make the wire like so. I recommend finding it if your goal is to only have iron used!
Have a play around with this combination for only iron consumption 🙂 https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=o7oI1eu50PnAUAV91vif

[civic bronze]

@vapid gorge would have to remove whole middle floor if i did that, so i guess 1:2 train it is - also found a sloop making this ss

[fierce ruin]

glad i did this

[rain lichen]

would-... would this work? 😓

not sure if this goes here

just tested, somehow it does 😭

[civic bronze]

then why "😭 "?

[rain lichen]

i'm just surprised it does indeed work haha, considering it's my first ever real roundabout, i wouldn't hesitate to say it's a bit... unconventional

but hey, efficiency first i suppose 😓

[civic bronze]

You can actually have a 4 connection in 1 spot

And more

[stark fable]

@storm bane have 4 smelters go into 1 conveyer, 3 smelters into the other, then one splitter for the last smelter splitting into both the conveyers

[rain lichen]

i'm done with this game i think 🥲

[opaque quartz]

Just set up a sloop’d manufacturer with a few storage containers feeding it, load up each of those items and let it cook

[rain lichen]

fair enough

is it even worth fully automating the P4 SE parts?

[opaque quartz]

That’s what I’m doing this playthrough

I mean, you use the p4 parts as basis for p5. Propulsion rockets become the basis of warp drives in phase 5

So it certainly won’t hurt

[rain lichen]

it certaintly will hurt me 🫡

[opaque quartz]

Fair

[rain lichen]

but oh well

i might do it
are all P4 project parts used in P5?

[opaque quartz]

Yes

[rain lichen]

ah shit

[opaque quartz]

They keep building on each other

!wikisearch space+elevator

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=space+elevator

[rain lichen]

i think i'll just do thermal prop rockets last

last of last in this phase

[opaque quartz]

Yeah they are the toughest

Well that and pasta

[rain lichen]

pasta too i suppose

[opaque quartz]

Pasta isn’t too tough to make, it just requires an absurd amount of copper

[rain lichen]

nothing a bunch of trains can't solve, right?

(or a million drones, but eh)

[opaque quartz]

Or alt recipes

[rain lichen]

that too

[opaque quartz]

I’m making enough copper for 3 pasta/minute using one pure copper node with the pure ingot alt and a ton of refineries

And then slooping the accelerators to double the output from there

[rain lichen]

what's the pure ingot ratio? 1 ore : 2 ingots?

(+water ofc)

[rain lichen]

how much POWER does that suck out? 😨

[rain lichen]

nvm just checked, it's 0.8:2

[opaque quartz]

Uh, a lot

[opaque quartz]

720 ore into 1500 ingots IIRC

[thorny heron]

pretty sure its double or +1x per output slot

[rain lichen]

double i think

[rain lichen]

updated, now with numbers

this project will take me some time 😞

(all SE parts excluding nuclear pasta, that'll be a problem for future me)

lategame satisfactory is wrecking me 😭

probably up towards almost a thousand constructors... 💔

[amber umbra]

Definitely gets to be a lot. Helps to break it up into discrete parts.

[civic bronze]

Any reason u chose 3/min?

[rain lichen]

it seemed most reasonable considering what i already have automated from before

[empty quartz]

Can someone direct me to a good way of making turbo motors cause the shit I’ve just done ain’t gonna cut it

[rain lichen]

well it’s always a good idea to break it down more comprehensively

[dusky dust]

1. Break it down into chunks. Decide what Turbo Motor recipe you want, and look at what it needs. Make separate factories for each of its inputs

[rain lichen]

and plan your layout

[dusky dust]

2. Those Modeler graphs always look like a nightmare to me. Personally I'd highly recommend https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production instead, though to each their own.

(A bit of personal preference there re: graphs, of course, but I just do not understand how anyone can follow the rats'-nests that thing generates)

[rain lichen]

i usually use the graph for initial numbers (tho not before tweaking them a bit myself), and then plan it out more intricately in-game just messing with under-overclocking, etc

[empty quartz]

Ok thx it’s my first really in depth play through and when i first looked at the turbo motors recipe and every elevator stuff i needed I was just devastated

[dusky dust]

Yeah, just take it bit by bit. Make smaller factories for the various inputs and ship 'em around as needed

Even if you end up constructing everything at the same site, it can help to keep them as separate sub-factories

Like my supercomputer factory is actually three totally separate subfactories which only ever combine at the very last step (and I'd planned them out individually)

[empty quartz]

Hmm that’s impresssive

[dusky dust]

heh, I dunno about impressive. It's more just enabling Easy Mode. :D Instead of trying to build one huge complex factory all in one go, I'm just doing it in baby steps. :)

[empty quartz]

I’ve been struggling to find good layouts and places tu build my factories and I don’t really wanna go in depth with the transporting mechanisms cause they are complex and loooong to build so I just make a big ass factory for one object

But I will prob try to break it down and make smaller fancier and more productive factory cells

And then build a main place where I manufacture the big component

[dusky dust]

As a more extreme example, I'd just spun up a full nuclear power chain (Uranium->Plutonium->Ficsonium) and it looks like I've got about sixteen separate factories set up to feed it components; the actual "onsite" assembly of the radioactive parts is comparatively small

(A few of those support factories are comically small, like one that just handles 36/min iron plates, but still)

[amber umbra]

@empty quartz At that stage, learning to use drones makes splitting complex factories into multiple smaller factories much easier.

[pulsar lagoon]

trying to find this chest but i cant find it

[vapid gorge]

yeah, break it down into multiple parts

you can do that in satisfactorytools, by making the final plan, then creating new tabs and making 'hubs'
modeler is shit

[pulsar lagoon]

am here says map

[vapid gorge]

prob clipped into ground

[pulsar lagoon]

should be here say satis online map

[vapid gorge]

just untag it

[pulsar lagoon]

what means 1m? i search for the altitude on interent and in console you can put a command

[pulsar lagoon]

how?

[vapid gorge]

fiddle with the map? use scim to delete it?

[pulsar lagoon]

what? i didnt understand

what is fiddle?

[vapid gorge]

'use', 'attempt', 'toy around with', 'mess about with', 'try'

'use' scim to delete the box

[pulsar lagoon]

i dont know what is scim? is inside the map? or is an external program?

[vapid gorge]

you got this image from scim