math-and-meta

[knotty siren]

HAH

Heck yeah. Make your drone fly FASTER

[unborn dome]

Sounds like a great way to get drive-by rad poisoning

[vapid gorge]

that's what rad suits are for

[knotty siren]

Just pop those delicious RadX pills

If your rads rise too high.... then take some RadAway.... oh wait, wrong game 😅

[hushed birch]

Guys, I've done a bit of tinkering and somehow I now have a factory that produces 6,400 fuel per minute. For the production of Rocket Fuel I have already connected coal by train and Nitrogen Gas by mk2-pipeline. How would you transport 6,400 sulfur? By Conveyor Belt or also by train? The advantage of conveyor belts is that I wouldn't have to worry about the throughput of the individual sulfur nodes via train, but would it be much easier to connect them to my system by train? How would you go about it?

[vapid gorge]

you can get perfect throughput by trains pretty easily. Depends on the distance how you want to approach it and the terrain

[unborn ermine]

Worse comes to worst, you can split the sulphur into two trains/stations and stack them

[hushed birch]

Distances will be kinda long as i've set up the factory by the crude oil wells in the western side of the map. I made it up to Tier9 without the use of trains. Would you go for one Train station per normal/pure sulfur with a sending and receiving train station per node with one train or just one big ass loop that connects all the sulfur nodes and then use multiple trains for the same receiving train station? Kinda lost rn, everything else went like a breeze with some proper blueprints

[vapid gorge]

could just use a bunch of drones if hte terrain is awful, but long distances are great with trains

you'll need sulfur from mutiple locations though so drones might be simpler

[past reef]

Realistically it's 8 drones for a pure node though

[unborn ermine]

and thats probably for a not-too-crap distance too right?

[past reef]

Yeah, the sulfur node right on the west coast can do 6 drones but its an exception

[unborn dome]

Assuming I don't recycle them, how many aluminum pressure tanks would I need per minute per pure nitrogen wellhead?

(I should probably just make a big ISC of tanks and then recycle them though, and not worry about needing to have aluminum ingot production to support this)

[past reef]

Ideal to recycle since a maxed nitrogen takes up too 600 aluminum ingot pm

[unborn dome]

Wow that's a lot 😳

So temp setup to make an ISC of tanks to recycle is probably the best course

[past reef]

Theres a 3k well northeast of grassy lands, typically would be 2k ish or 400 ingot pm though

[unborn ermine]

Two of these per pure well node.

[unborn dome]

Yeah that's the one I'm eyeing, but the ones at the north of both deserts could be good too

[past reef]

Those are about 2k but both arent really close to bauxite

[unborn dome]

Oh true, like if I was not recycling tanks at all

[past reef]

Its an okay use case for heat fused frame, but then you can reuse the drone port to throw the cans back

But you can compress it down to nitric acid and fluid train it

[unborn dome]

Hah yeah I'm planning on heat-fused frame

[unborn ermine]

This was the footprint of the resource well I have for rocky desert
2x for fuel in and out and 3 for tanks.

[unborn dome]

Wow not much to it. That looks really clean and compact.

[unborn dome]

3 for tanks in, and you're not recycling them back to here?

Oh wait

[unborn ermine]

I have a loop

[unborn dome]

I misread

Why fuel out?

[unborn ermine]

I did a chain for neaby drone ports, might as well tbh.

[unborn dome]

Ah nice

Yeah I guess that saves space at the place you're making the fuel for your drones.

[unborn ermine]

Fun fact the packing modules were a perfect fluke the first one I made, then the others were horrible to get the placement/belts right.

first one was the top right

[unborn dome]

Couldn't BP it?

[unborn ermine]

lined up perfectly with the port above

the rest... not so much

[unborn dome]

Ah you mean the wellhead alignment

[unborn ermine]

Oh no not that at all
ports and the packers.

look how clean the angles and stuff are on the one I mentioned

[unborn dome]

Pretty clean tbh. Why were you unable to do the others like that though?

[unborn ermine]

Just the port placement in relation to the packers below, I wanted to stay in the confines of the well "cover" of sorts made by the foundations.

The building is close enough to the ground that I have the well poking inside the building decoratively

I am far too lazy rn to boot the game up for a screenshot

[unborn dome]

That's fair lol. When you do, I'd be curious to see this one too

[unborn ermine]

Should actually force myself to bed.
(troubles sleeping lately unrelated to new years)
Might ping ya in the morning here if I remember to.

[fading talon]

I ended up re-installing the server and mods, setting the tick rate to 60 and it seems ok now

[vapid gorge]

Glad it’s working 🙂 maybe some file got updates or fixed during it

[pseudo plank]

First aluminum Factory

[wind spade]

wtf are all those containers lol

[pseudo plank]

It condenses all of the different sources of Aluminum down.

[wind spade]

why tho?

just connect each belt to wherever it's needed

[pseudo plank]

i didnt have Smart splitters yet. and i can reuse the posts and the containers later when i get better belts and miners. Its something i can do easier when i get a factory to make compnents for programable splitters.

[wind spade]

don't need smart splitters

if a belt has 250 on it, connect it to machine(s) that need 250

[pseudo plank]

not all machines need exactly the same amount as the belt

keeps me from making a giant spiderweb of splitters.

[wind spade]

that's why you have clock speed

(and manifolds)

[pseudo plank]

as in over clocking? i am to precious with my powershards

[wind spade]

you can underclock without shards

[pseudo plank]

and underclocking would demand i build bigger factories with more material (which isnt the end of the world anything) i just like the container system.

[wind spade]

manifolds + clock speed usually means like 1 or 2 machines more, which is much less cost than 50 containers 😄

my eyes hurt 😄

[pseudo plank]

as in you down clock the last few if its short?

[wind spade]

just the last one, yeah

[pseudo plank]

yea i usually have more than 1 source in my factories though so i often just double or tripple the amount needed to even it out anyway.

2 coal 3 iron, all at 480 belts.

[wind spade]

nothing that a manifold can't handle

[pseudo plank]

like so right?

[wind spade]

yeah

[pseudo plank]

again this just lets me consalidate the like 38 iron nodes down to 23 containers that all produce 480 ore even. dont have to make a small factory out of the 60 iron an impure node produces

not the only way to do it

and once i build it i can just upgrade them

[wind spade]

just seems like a waste of space, materials, etc. (the containers also buffer tons of things pointlessly)

[pseudo plank]

with the right blueprints it goes pretty quick

waste of space whats that

constructing THE CUBE!!

[wind spade]

you complained a few messages back that underclocking would take more space 😄

[pseudo plank]

Yea like...in a single factory. i build them vertically and before the jetpack thats annoying lol

[wind spade]

jetpack is like start of the game

[pseudo plank]

sorry hoverpack?

the aluminum specifically, each assembler works so slowly you need a ton of splitting and mergers if you want to make anything at scale. smart spliters fix that so i wont need to use the containers anymore.

[wind spade]

smart splitters are like T3

if you're at aluminum, how do you not have smart splitters? 😄

(also, I'm not sure what do you mean by "ton of splitting and mergers")

[pseudo plank]

sorry i can never remember the difference between smart and programmable off the top of my head

[wind spade]

programmable splitters do the same thing as smart splitters

[pseudo plank]

and i put of plastics and Caterium for too long honestley

they dont handle over flow the same do they

[wind spade]

they do

only thing programmable spliiter can do is to have multiple filters on one side
otherwise they are equal

[vapid gorge]

they have pretty niche uses

[wind spade]

but I doubt they are any useful for whatever you're doing

simplest solution is to just take the belt and hook it to exactly as many machines as it can feed

[pseudo plank]

huh. overflow its right there.....guess i just cant read. im kinda just married to the specific way i build factories i suppose.

[wind spade]

yeah, feel free to continue with that 🤷 I'm just suggesting a less painful way 😄

[unborn dome]

Would delivering 150 aluminum ingots/min (for heat-fused frame) 2.2 km by drone be feasible? I don't have a battery factory built yet to fuel them to see how fast a round trip takes to calculate.

[wind spade]

you can always add more drones 🤷

[opaque quartz]

A drone should be able to handle this throughput I think, depending on your fuel

I have a single drone delivering about 200 ingots/min clear across the map (from rocky desert down to blue crater). I’m using rocket fuel for that route tho

[unborn dome]

Oh nice! Thanks! Rocket fuel is only a bit faster than batteries judging by the wiki. I'm not planning on using slow fuel or turbofuel

Or wait, no, rocket and batteries are the same speed

[opaque quartz]

Well then you should have no issues then

[unborn dome]

Awesome, thanks for confirming

[opaque quartz]

Like greeny said, you can add a second drone if you need to increase throughput. The drone port will tell you the effective transfer rate once it’s done a lap

[uneven schooner]

what does your sorting/storage system input look like? I have a 3 mk6 input but it's saturated.

[unborn dome]

I'm not sorting like that sorry, I just dump things straight into the dimensional depot as an overflow from my main assembly lines.

[uneven schooner]

I also have this, first I have an item/item sort and the overflow of this sort goes into the dimensional then into the awersome sink

[unborn dome]

Yeah I'm not sushi-belting at all, aside from in one very specific location

[uneven schooner]

okay

[unborn dome]

It's kinda a pain, as you're seeing 😅

[uneven schooner]

yes, but I like to have my items centralized

[unborn dome]

Yeah the megafactory style doesn't work as good in Satisfactory as it does in Factorio

(imo)

[uneven schooner]

I like it

[unborn dome]

Yep, not saying it's wrong, it's just a lot less straightforward

(again imo lol)

[uneven schooner]

Yes, it is.

[unborn dome]

So yeah, all I can suggest is just adding another sushi belt if you're over capacity on 3x mk6

[uneven schooner]

not a good solution, but no choice

[unborn dome]

Or split your items into individual belts and overflow each into the DD separately, rather than combining them all into one belt?

[uneven schooner]

Even more complicated because of my design

[north mauve]

You could just not do sushi at all

Or, hell, not do centralized storage at all 😛

Game really doesn't want it, so I didn't. Well, not since 1.0 have I done so anyway

[unborn dome]

Yeah I did a centralized storage back in U3 with a sushi belt sorter into containers, but dimensional depot made it unnecessary this time around.

[north mauve]

Can someone explain how smart/program splitters work regarding the buffer and overflow?

Say right is set to pass on rubber, center output is any undefined and overflow.

Ideally, the rubber should only go through the center output when the right output is full, and full should be when the belt is FULL. It's backed up. The machines are overfed and so the belt has backed up all the way to the splitter.

But if you use mk6 belts everywhere except the right output, and right output has a mk1 belt, and you push a hundred rubber into the splitter, a lot of it is going to go to the overflow instead of where it's needed

[hazy hill]

why Satisfactory Tools cant calculate Ficsonium? (any)

all Machines. map limits, all recipes

[outer vale]

because you need to manually input the plutonium waste, it doesn't have recipes for waste

[hazy hill]

oh, thank you

[outer vale]

probably because that right belt is "full", what else can it do? There's no room to output it at the full mk6 rate you're inputting at, so there's overflow

[north mauve]

Right, that's not quite my question though. I understand that a mk6 is going to overflow a mk1. But I was having matching belt speeds overflow. So even though I was producing 72 rubber for a factory that needed 70 rubber/min, enough was going to the overflow and then the sink, slowing down my factory. And I want to understand how that works exactly, so I can figure out how to prevent it (besides just producing 100 rubber/min when I only need 70)

[outer vale]

But if you use mk6 belts everywhere except the right output

[north mauve]

Yes I was explaining an example that I fully understand

That is not the issue I have though.

[unborn dome]

Am I correct in assuming that transporting aluminum casings to my battery factory with a drone, and bringing batteries back on the same drone, is probably a bad idea, since it'd mean sinking the batteries at the delivery end to avoid stoppage of aluminum casings?

[north mauve]

You need two drone ports unfortunately

Drone only has one cargo box. It would be cool if they had two, and you could label one outgoing and the other incoming. But since we do not have that, you either need to sink, or use separate ports and drones entirely

[unborn dome]

I'm guessing when people say they recycle empty nitrogen tanks, they're also using two drones

And not just bringing the empties back on the same drone that delivered the packaged nitrogen?

[north mauve]

Right, any time there are two items, you need a separate port or a sink

And really you need a sink at both locations, right? Unless you don't care if one side backs up.

Also unfortunate that it can't be solved with two drones. Because the full one blocks the port.

[unborn dome]

I think in the case of a battery factory, it's ok to back up the battery output, since drones fly out to it only on an as-needed basis to pick up batteries for their own factories.

[north mauve]

In this case yes. For fuel, the fuel output can back up. For anything else, you probably don't want either end to back up. I think.

[unborn dome]

@north mauve I think other items backing up is probably ok if it's working on a "pull" system? Like say my electronics factory needs aluminum casings for RCUs, it's probably fine if they back up at the electronics factory end, and the drone homed at the electronics factory only flies to the aluminum factory to get more casings as-needed?

[vapid gorge]

@north mauve

no this is fine, it's the same thing you do with nitrogen gas and containers. You can feed the containers into hte same port dropping off the full ones. You just need to make sure there's continuous flow

so it can drop off it's delivery fully in a timely manner

if the batteries are for fuel rather than part makign you probably want another port as you'll waste a bunch of fuel

[north mauve]

For my rocket fuel, I import empty packages so that the rocket fuel that isn't burnt for power can be packaged. If the empty canisters backed up, I couldn't export full rocket fuel from the same port. Which sounds fine except that I was using more DD fuel than I was using in drones, so when it backed up I couldn't fly anymore. So I had to split them.

[vapid gorge]

yeah like I said, you need to make sure there's continuous flow

either by sink or usage

[unborn dome]

For batteries<->aluminum casings, I'd have to sink the batteries or I'd run out of aluminum casings, wouldn't I?

My understanding was that packaged nitrogen and empty tanks was fine because they're 1:1 back and forth.

[vapid gorge]

1:1 doesn't matter, as long as both ends are consumed

[unborn dome]

Yeah, and so if I'm not sinking batteries, they'd back up, and they wouldn't be getting consumed at an equivalent rate to the aluminum casings.

[vapid gorge]

so if the batteries are part of a production chain using them all? all good

if they are for fuel? you'll need an overflow sink for the excess that isn't being used

[echo spire]

What’s a good amount of turbo motors to be producing per min? Are they used as components later or just as is?

[unborn dome]

Just for building stuff, you don't need many.

Turbomotors are needed for a single space elevator item late in the game, so it really depends on how big you're building in general. I'm only planning on doing 5 turbomotors/min max.

[vapid gorge]

use the wiki, it'll give yo ua good idea

[amber umbra]

For the drone topic, for transporting nitrogen gas via canisters, a single drone can handle both the full and empty canisters transfer. You need to be careful not to loop saturate with full or empty canisters. Basically just manually seed enough canisters rather than continually feeding them into the loop.

For anything that doesn’t have a 1:1 ratio like fluid/gas transfer loops, use separate drones for each item.

There’s likely ways to implement it, but you’re asking for issues imo.

[vapid gorge]

nah, 1:1 doesn't matter as long as both ends are consumed

[unborn dome]

Yeah, the issue I was having was that one end is batteries, that wouldn't be consumed at a constant rate, thus I need two drones.

[vapid gorge]

you could have heat sinks dropping off, and hmf being sent the othe way and it'll be fine as long as the flow was continuous

yeah, just clarifying orgs statement

like it's very convenient for the gas and cannisters, but it's not at all the only way 1 drone can do two items

[amber umbra]

The idea I’m getting at is that many production lines don’t cleanly line up without sinking. And the items that especially for the drone niche you likely don’t want to sink willy nilly. My experience is it’s much cleaner to just keep them separate w two drone ports.

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah but you don't need to sink, for example a drone could bring 200 heat sinks pm one way, and drop off 50 hmf pm the other, don't need a sink at all if both factories are consuming those products

the only time issues arise is when both ends aren't consuming both products in a timely matter, which is easily achieved. Except for when one end is fuel consumption since you'll always want to overproduce a bit so will have to sink in that case.

but even then , if you know the place you're delivering fuel to only uses 55 batteries per min MAX , you could feed the drone with 1x mk1 belt of 60pm batteries and only sink very few of the overflow

that's probably too fiddly for most people though, including me

[amber umbra]

Big picture, I like ensuring that the producing factories always produce the exact amount or more of item/minute. In the simple drone case, you can let the drone ports, belts all fill up then the drone will only fly with full cargo. It will wait at requester until it fully unloads.

Thinking through if that setup is compatible with items each way.

Feels like full consumption of both means both items are exact item/minute rates (production, consumption); seems reasonable.

Doing that with full drone each way doesn’t seem possible unless you scale based on the stack size. So a thing to keep in mind that the drone needs to be moving back and forth more.

Since Dehvie is new to drones my tldr advice above is what it is.

[unborn dome]

Yeah, I guess it really comes down to both ends consuming overall stacks of whatever size at approximately the same rate.

[vapid gorge]

just as long as you're not over feeding really. Which there isn't a reason to unless its a fuel

[opaque quartz]

Yeah you just want to avoid the situation where you deadlock and no longer fueling your network because the casings aren’t getting consumed fast enough or whatever

I just did something similar where I split up my drones for sending aluminum in to the rocket fuel plant and rocket fuel back outbound

The aluminum was always getting consumed to make tanks for the packaged rocket fuel, but I couldn’t adjust the throughput without accidentally sending aluminum to the wrong place OR needlessly sinking rocket fuel on the other end to keep the line moving

Much cleaner now having those separate. And then upgraded to ionized fuel (drones gotta go fast)

[unkempt wharf]

guys i have two belts of 350 and i need to split them into 300 and 400 (i dont have mk5)

i dont know how

[unborn dome]

Regarding this earlier question/discussion about drone fueling, what if I had two drone ports at the battery factory, both with drones homed on them, but only one port at the aluminum factory?
Drone #1: Go out and fetch aluminum casings from the aluminum factory
Drone #2: Bring batteries to the aluminum factory

The aluminum factory would only have a single drone port, supplying aluminum casings, and receiving batteries (which could already be full), and should theoretically never get blocked because both drones are visiting it from other ports? Am I correct, or is something wrong here?

My concern is that since the batteries are being pushed rather than pulled, the battery-delivering drone can't be set up to only deliver batteries when the factory is running low, and would have to waste trips even when the aluminum factory doesn't need more batteries.

[livid turret]

Use a manifold

!wikisearch manifold

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[unborn dome]

Anyone? Would this get blocked up?

[unborn ermine]

@unborn dome
Spoiler alert, im a horrible person and I forgot 😃

(its 9pm now and I have been awake for over 12 hours and did nothing today)

though I did have a weird nap so maybe less than that. (body has been messed up lately)

[unborn dome]

Haha no worries, thanks!

[unborn ermine]

you see what I mean when I got excited when the first one came out that clean?

[unborn dome]

Yeah those well extractors look like a huge pain to make tidy. Also the center part is HUGE.

[unborn dome]

I might do something similar to you, but pattern it off my oil rig design, smaller.

[unborn ermine]

Yeah I have no real design here, just function, my game/pc wouldnt like it

also semi super remote.

[unborn dome]

Pinging this question again - will two drone ports (with drones homed on them), both with the same destination set to a single other port, one drone picking up, and one drone dropping off at that destination, is there potential for them to block each other at all if the output at the destination is blocked?

[vapid gorge]

no. Also they will both take and deliver from both ends

you can't set them to only pick up from one end

[unborn dome]

Ah, I think I see what you mean. The drone that's supposed to be dropping off batteries would pick up casings too

Kinda wondering now if it'd be better to just have the battery factory make its own casings, if it's making alumina solution anyway...

[vapid gorge]

all up to the designer 🙂 this is the sort of thing I find fun to play around with

[opaque quartz]

Wouldn’t hurt to reduce the dependencies there, if you have the resources available

[unborn dome]

It would give me an excuse to make a second factory in the red forest in any case

[opaque quartz]

The factory must grow

[hazy hill]

In order to make a Ballistic Warp Engine, you have to create all the items? Put splitters on each conveyor and you get 25 Engines (instead of 50) and all the items that didn't make it to the main belt will go to the intended storage facility

[wind spade]

why are you making it from 100% of resources?

[hazy hill]

its not a world limit, so why not

[wind spade]

are you using maximise?

[hazy hill]

Production tab is bugged, it was set maximise then i put items/min
It is 50 eng/min

[wind spade]

bugged how?

[hazy hill]

it wrote maximise when it set /min

not a world limit resources

[wind spade]

I'm just wondering why did it make byproduct of the AI server

[hazy hill]

idk :(
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=MKcOPTdV5UpuRBEqmQNc

[outer vale]

that one loaded with Maximise for me...

though on 50/min it still adds AI Expansion Servers, I think because it needs to get Dark Matter Residue from somewhere since it uses all the SAM

[hazy hill]

10200SAM on the world is not enough to produce 50 engines without byproduct sadly

[outer vale]

If you're willing to sloop the SAM you can, by the looks of it

[hazy hill]

yes, but why byproduct is bad?

[outer vale]

making stuff you didn't ask for with resources it doesn't need to use otherwise

with slooped SAM (aka 2100 input Reanimated SAM)

vs without, making 32-ish extra AI Expansion Server

it's not like you get them for free

[hazy hill]

u need to turn off sam then i think

doubled SAM

[outer vale]

you need SAM for Ficsite and conversion recipes

doubling 8400 SAM Ore does not get you an extra 8400 Reanimated SAM, only 2100

[hazy hill]

hmm. 8400SAM is 2100 Reanimated SAM
so if we double it we get 8400 SAM is 4200 Reanimated

[outer vale]

yes, if you're turning off SAM then you'll need to input the full 4200 Reanimated. I just left it on and added 2100

[hazy hill]

Oh, I see.

let's get back to the original question))

if you put splitters after each machine. the final output would be 25 Engines? (stuff from the splitters goes into the storage)

if we setup machines for final output 50engines

ah, it doesn't work that way) let's say the constructor requires 100 copper. there was a furnace in front of him that made 100 copper, but after the splitter the output became 50 copper. so the answer to my question is no.

[outer vale]

oh is that what you meant

yeah nah, each splitter would halve the input to each subsequent step

[sharp valve]

about how long will this take

[spice egret]

How picky is head lift? If you have a hump, could flow be restricted to 150 in a MK1 pipe if you don’t have enough head lift to cover the entire height of the pipe, or is it kind of all or nothing. Does that make sense?

[opaque quartz]

Build a constructor to do this for you

[spice egret]

Why automate what you could make by hand tho 🤔

[outer vale]

...because that's the game

[sharp valve]

what if i am in a situation where i could not make a constructor

[spice egret]

sarcasm ensues

[outer vale]

then you must have done something very wacky to get that much biomass

[spice egret]

Then get in a situation where you can lol

[sharp valve]

what if i am in a situation where i could not get in a situation where i could

[spice egret]

That don’t make no sense

[opaque quartz]

Then good luck, I guess? Press spacebar to keep the manual crafting going and go take a nap or something

[outer vale]

then clearly you have either modded or broken the game irrecoverably

[spice egret]

But in terms of math it’s what 4 hammers per second?

[outer vale]

you can't get out of this 😛

[spice egret]

About 10 mins

Edit: Just realized this is wrong he has 3 hammers left, it’s more total

It’s 10 hammers when full

So about 30 mins if it’s 4 hammers per second

TLDR; takes longer than it would take you to build a constructor and let it cook 😅

[sharp valve]

😂

just finished lol that took almost 40 minutes

[oblique hollow]

its all or nothing

either you have enough head lift to make it over a hump or you dont

granted, fringe cases come up when you are EXACTLY at the limit

but living on the edge is just not the way to go with pipe logistics

[scenic lintel]

If I have 60 fuel per minute being made is it better to have 3 seperate generators, or 2 overclocked generators?

[outer vale]

up to you

trading space for power shards

[scenic lintel]

No difference productivity wise?

[outer vale]

60 fuel gives the same amount of power however you divide it up into gens

[spice egret]

Overclocking power generators makes no difference in efficiency, just used shards

[oblique hollow]

nope. just a difference of space used for generators (as others already said, whoops)

[frigid shadow]

Stupid question that might have been asked before (have not seen it in the FAQ tho), have the devs ever hinted, confirmed or outright denied the option of a splitter that splits items in an exact ratio that you want (like 10% - 60% - 30%) or a programmable conveyor belt that can have the exact items/minute speed set (a belt that only takes exactly 223.67 items/minute)?

[north mauve]

Not that I know of, and there's not really a reason to.

[frigid shadow]

I mean, it would make certain factories so much more satisfying to make :'3

[grave prism]

Yeah closest to that is the programmable splitter but no quantity limit just items it lets pass

There might be a mod? But i havent really looked into those much. Just Qol ones like infinite nudge and zoop

[wind spade]

not planned (won't be a thing), since it would trivialise most of the game

and not really needed, since you can just connect the belt to a machine that needs exactly as much and the machine will naturally regulate the belt

[unborn ermine]

I think the funniest thing to that sort of logic if it was added?
It probably would be like a valve, in that there would be funky rounding errors, being a pain in itself to deal with the outputs rather than using a manifold/balancer.

[wind spade]

eh, I can see it working if it's gonna convert the %s into ratios and basically just do what current splitters are doing, except instead of round-robin, it'd follow the ratio

[vivid jacinth]

Is it better to use Somersloops to multiply my caterium ingots? or to use them to multiply the quickwire at the contstructor?

[crimson moat]

multiply at the end of the line

if you multiply ingots you need to duplicate every machine after the smelter which means 2x space, power draw etc

[latent anchor]

It does depend slightly on the recipe though. If you have a production line with lots of machines at the end and only a few at the start, I'd sloop the start because while you need to add more machines, you need less sloops

it's a question of sloop efficiency versus factory size, and I think sloop efficiency is more important most of the time

[vapid gorge]

very few production lines have more machines at the start

and generally those aren't super valuable so slooping is a bit... eh

[lucid stirrup]

is this some kind of calculator?

[outer vale]

I sent that 12 hours ago 😅

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[steady gate]

okay so i might have made a slight whoopsie

i've been wanting to build a 2nd much bigger and better iron plant, however im getting a influx of 28080 iron ore/min

wich i wanna turn into pure ingots, but then i'll end up with lemme math rq

[lucid stirrup]

thanks

[steady gate]

give or take 40000 iron ingots/min

52182 ingots/min

and now my brain is hurting because i have to place 468 refineries all with this specific overclock percentile

(as close to 60 as i could get it because 780 is devisable by 60

[unborn dome]

Is there a particular meta for the uranium fuel cycle? Like are any of the alts considered far superior to the default recipes?

Also, what is the ratio of uranium/plutonium/ficsonium-burning power plants?

[past reef]

uranium rod can be whatever, ideal would be all uranium alt for max uranium rod

the map in vanilla can only handle burning about 15 plutonium rod without really stressing out other resources, so base plutonium recipe is favored if you want to recycle

[past reef]

plutonium and ficsonium is always 1:1, uranium:plutonium depends on recipe choice

[unborn dome]

I was only planning on 4 uranium fuel rods/min, but wasn't sure if that number went nicely with the two subsequent recycling steps, or if I should pick a different starting number.

[past reef]

it's at most 4 uranium to 1 plutonium rod

[unborn dome]

In terms of power plant burn rate, it looks like the ratios are a bit different though, since ficsonium burns quicker? Like if I had 10 uranium power plants, and was recycling each step, how many would burn plutonium and ficsonium from that?

[past reef]

huh let me recheck, iirc 1 pluto rod makes 10 waste and which makes 5 ficsonium rod

[unborn dome]

Thanks, I haven't been able to find the right keyword combo to find that info in here or in Google

[past reef]

and base burn rate is like 0.1 pluto rod and 1 ficsonium rod pm?

[unborn dome]

Yeah something like that. Ficsonium burns way quicker.

[past reef]

I guess it'd be half, but nuclear plant is still kinda easy to layout

you can do 2 overclocked plants (200% for safe pipe throughput or even 250%) using 4 extractors (5x5)

[unborn dome]

200% was exactly what I was planning, for safe throughput. So I figured 4 uranium fuel rods/min is 10 power plants at 200%, which is 200 uranium waste/min. But I got kinda lost on the math after that for how many further power plants at 200% I'd need to burn the resulting plutonium and ficsonium rods.

[oblique hollow]

thats just 36 mk 5 belts of iron ore
you only need 12 pure iron refineries per mk 5 belt

[past reef]

yeah it's dependent on what plutonium alt you want to go with, if you do that low uranium you can use any plutonium alt tbh

[steady gate]

on what overclocking % because im pretty sure im making this way more complicated than it has to be

[past reef]

like with only plutonium fuel unit you can make 1.5 rod from 200 waste

[oblique hollow]

if you do 200% its 6 refineries per mk 5 belt

hmm wait

thats output i think, might have mixed it up

[steady gate]

nope

with 70/min input i get leftover of 10 per

[unborn dome]

Oh nice, and by my math, that's an extra 7.5 power plants at 100%

[oblique hollow]

yeah sorry i got it mixed up, thats for output not input

[unborn dome]

(So I'd be adding 3.75 power plants at 200%)

[steady gate]

np it happens, i would've been so happy if the input was 65/min standard XD

[oblique hollow]

with 35/min, you need 7 mk 5 belts for 156 refineries

but thats tough

[steady gate]

im building in the top middle of the map

[oblique hollow]

perhaaaaaaaps consider leached iron ingot?

[steady gate]

wich does have all the water and space i need for both iron and nuclear

[steady gate]

im gonna look into that as i am also planning on using all the uranium on the map for a nuclear plant

(with some modded help for the copper powder)

[oblique hollow]

if you have sam you can go ultra funny and just turn iron to sulfur

[steady gate]

true true

i sadly dont have the converter yet

i just like my big factory shenanigans

and spaghetti belts

[oblique hollow]

the only downside is that using iron to make sulfur reduces your yield

from 2x ore to ingot to 1.3333x iron to ingot

[steady gate]

at this rate im gonna be making enough spaghetti to feed the entire damm server for years

[oblique hollow]

which is less than pure does

[oblique hollow]

aaaand at that point might as well go with basic iron

limestone is about as cheap as water

[steady gate]

i think i figured it out

if i run the refineries at 200% they need 70 per and then 11 per belt

[oblique hollow]

you could mix recipes

[steady gate]

wich leaves me with 10 leftover per belt

[oblique hollow]

1 pure refinery plus 1 basic iron foundry use exactly 60 iron

and make 115/min

[wind spade]

<@&387163995947270144> (bot is asleep I guess)

[dark badge]

so was i

😢

!ban 625000955955642377 gtfo with your scam shit

[brisk shore]

cytryn_413 was banned. | gtfo with your scam shit

[wind spade]

I was just going to bed ||so now we can go together||

[dark badge]

yassss

[dreamy cobalt]

@fickle plinth is also scummy, they are DMing me out of nowhere

[violet turtle]

this feels like a math problem in school, but my calculator is showing i need 7.46 smelters, so i need 7 at 100 percent, and the last one at what percent?

[livid turret]

46%

[violet turtle]

dsoing the math thats not right

or my math is wrong

probably that

i need 223.75 iron ingots/min, and 223.75 - (7*30) issss

13.75

so shouldnt the last smelter be that?

[coarse pecan]

all i know is that whoever smelt it dealt it

[livid turret]

If you need a fraction of one then that one is underclocked at that percentage

[violet turtle]

not that big of a deal given its just ingots

so if i need 3.75 assemblers

its 3 at 100 percent and one at 75 percent?

[livid turret]

But then again the math you need to do is 13.75x100/30

The rule of three

[violet turtle]

y?

[violet turtle]

is this not correct

im taking the total, subtracting it by what i already have to get the number of the last smelter

[livid turret]

It's read like if 30 is 100% then what percentage is 13.75

To be precise the clock will be 45.83...%

[violet turtle]

but why would that be incorrect?

oh i see

nvm, stupido moment

[livid turret]

No stupid question if you are learning

[violet turtle]

so should i just do the percent of the total machine count

7 at 100 and 1 at 46%

[livid turret]

Yeah more or less or you could input the final amount you want to produce like 13.75 instead of the percentage

Machines are cool like that, or you work with the percentage or the final product amount you want to get

[violet turtle]

yeah one of the reasons i like satisfactory machines more than factorio :3

actually in factorio it doesnt matter as much

in that game im just llike "oh not enough engines are being made due to pipe shortage?" idk just place more pipe things

assemblers

and since i dont remember factorio having machines that use wack ass numbers like in this g ame

[livid turret]

Ratios in Factorio always get me kinda confused and end up using some factory builder tool for help

[violet turtle]

alternates especially

[livid turret]

Alternates are for your leisure, some are incredible efficient to multiply production and others are great situational savers

[violet turtle]

i like their power mechanics more, in this game its "oops one machine went over the max production by 1 watt, guess my entire 10k megawatt grid shuts off

[livid turret]

Some things still need polish but the answer for that is build big power factories

Never cut it close to your limit

[violet turtle]

my factorys gonna add like 400 megawatts, rip

not even sloop'd

[steady gate]

i think that might be more of a ticket thing more than a math-and-meta

[wet palm]

hey guys question on portals: do the singularity cells **only **get consumed when you use the portal?

[opaque quartz]

No, the consumption is continuous

[wet palm]

got it.. ok so then my question is whats the per minute amount of cells i need to produce to keep one active without losing connection?

[opaque quartz]

2 cells/minute per portal

!wikisearch portal

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=portal

[wet palm]

yeah i had looked there but i couldnt find the 2PM requirement, i must have missed it. anyways thanks!

[opaque quartz]

np

Slooped nuclear pasta and singularity cells keep my portal network running

[wet palm]

i got a 10 pasta per min factory, so that part is good i just dont have cell factory yet

[cursive marsh]

What ratio of wire to cable should I be making? (I'm in T5)

I was thinking 1:1, but that's probably not the case.

[vapid estuary]

SCIM will tell you what the demand is in your world. There's no specific answer. If you're in t5, you can make Caterium and Copper, and therefore can use Caterium Wire, which is 100/min/machine. Just make it where you need it

[cursive marsh]

I don't have any caterium wire alts though.

and I know the demand in my world, but how will it change in the next few tiers? is there some item that takes thousands of cables?

[vapid estuary]

Everything takes lots of everything. There's nothing not used from the lower tiers. Some things, like rods or screws, can be dropped with certain alts.

Being the max-output variant of wire, Caterium Wire is great. (I was wrong, Fused Wire uses copper + caterium). Caterium wire is 15 ingot : 120 wire. Fused is 12+3 copper+caterium : 90 wire.

Wire, like screws, is one of those things that is better made on site than transported, because the raw materials for a given amount take up less space.

@cursive marsh ^

[cursive marsh]

Interesting, Thanks.

[wet palm]

^agreed ... i also have multiple factories at different locations making higher tier parts and all require those lower tier parts in bulk (lots of wire, rods, frames, screws, etc.) each of the factory locations are producing those lower tier items at that factory for that higher tier item. i dont have lower tier item factories. although i will agree they are probably very helpful early game to have.

[vapid estuary]

Things like caterium wire, rubber cable, molded pipe, coke steel ingot, really pay off here so you don't need a mountain of production (and if overclocked, are cheap)

overclocking manufacturers is crazy expensive but constructors, nbd

[wet palm]

yeah and if you use satisfactorytools to design your production flow, check the box for ALL alt recipes to get the best factory (easiest). if you dont have a couple recipes it says go spend the time to get them. makes a world of a difference..

[vapid estuary]

it makes potentially odd choices like weighting 1 water as much as 1 piece of ore, but generally, yeah. i favour max output recipes for many things and it keeps things tidier

[cursive marsh]

nbd?

[vapid estuary]

no big deal

[cursive marsh]

ah, I thought it was a technical term lol.

[cursive marsh]

I would agree, but I'm still using T3 belts so that adds some complexity for me.

[wet palm]

if youre only at T3 belts then i would change your desired output amount on the calculator so that most of the item production are around what T3 belts can handle. otherwise you will be drowning in belt work..

[cursive marsh]

As for the "make high-quantity items on site" doctrine, Is it worth doing the inverse and making higher-tier items near the low-tier factories?

for example, I'm building my new stator/motor/auto wire/etc. factory right next to my copper factory because of the wire consumption.

[wet palm]

nothing wrong with that, if it works - go for it! theres no 'correct' way to play the game.

The only comment i have to that is as you progress through the tiers/phases - stators, motors for example start to become a low tier item as well

[vapid estuary]

provided the wire factory is easy to bolt another floor onto. you will want to 2-10x what you're making at the lower tiers sooner or later. resources are everywhere. there are ways to increase output, not just because of new recipes, but mk2, mk3 miners. copper is def an input into motors, and there will be lots of motors. i think i've tapped 6-7 copper nodes and i'm halfway through phase 4

[wet palm]

one of my factories requires 6000 copper ingots per minute 😂

i really hate copper powder.

[vapid estuary]

that's wild. In such circumstances, I and basically wherever I can, I make what I need right next to the machine. If I can just plug a constructor into its manufacturer and it only ever feeds that manufacturer... we're good, right? I'll have to look at copper powder again. I avoided it this way last time

that's like 20k ingots a minute. dude

36000

[wet palm]

i made a 5 nuclear pasta per minute factory and it needs 6K copper ingots. thats 160 refineries on the pure ingot recipe.

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=fEp4rU8a09y3JEKiSCxK

for reference

[vapid estuary]

i was going to play with turbo pressure motor recipe but now I'm not. thank you!

[north mauve]

I'm doing 8 pasta and I have a tower with 64 refineries. I assume they're over clocked but I haven't thought about that factory in so long I don't remember. And then each set of four feeds what, a single constructor? Crazy

[wind spade]

Make what you need now, future builds will make own wire/cable

[oblique hollow]

copper powder do be espensive

[sharp valve]

does this count

[knotty siren]

Lol

[outer vale]

you want #design-and-architecture for that

[dense python]

k

[pseudo plank]

Question. Is there some kind of bug where if a miner is far away it wont drill at the proper output. These 4 belts should be at slightly above the 480 per belt i put into it. I started noticing random gaps in the belts. I traveled to the minders to double check if i miscalculated something. When i came back it seemed to fix itself.

[forest dune]

does anyone have a link to a material conversion chart? I've found one that is 6 years old on reddit but the numbers don't look updated.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/b4y65d/satisfactory_production_item_flow_chart/

[wind spade]

eh I doubt something like this exists in a reasonable state. There's just too many alt recipes and stuff that would make it unreadable. Better to just check codex or wiki or online tools

[forest dune]

rgr, i do be forgetting about the codex

[heady breach]

Has anyone made a 1 to 5 even splitter?

[amber umbra]

Yea. I’m sure Google has one.

[wind spade]

split to 6 and loop one back

or just do

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[heady breach]

I dont like splitting manifolds

Merging is fine imo

[wind spade]

your choice obviously, but they are generally the easiest way

especially when you start getting to weirder ratios

[tepid abyss]

You can use an even 6 splitter and pipe one back to the input, assuming it’s not a full belt

If it is a full belt you’ll want to remerge after the first split point in your 6 splitter

[cobalt meteor]

bc you're overproducing, the miners fill up and then when they're full they switch off. they take a while to switch back on (maybe like 15 seconds or so?) and that will cause occasional gaps in the belt. best to clock them to mine exactly what you're trying to belt out

[rugged quiver]

someone made https://imgur.com/a/8YecreR that which is very helpful

[versed violet]

dumb question - was player inventory always on the right and container on the left, or were they in reversed order - player on left, box you intercat with on the right? I get a confused feeling.

confused feeling, as in here player inv is on left

[patent blaze]

heres a screenshot of a video i have saved from 2021 :)

[versed violet]

Looks I'm just confused then. Or played too many other games with different layout and getting them mixed up. 👍

[versed violet]

These are not pickable without critical existence failure, yes?

[opaque quartz]

Correct

[rose sequoia]

this load balancer is done correctly yeah?

dont mind how bad it looks rn

[vapid gorge]

probably? can't see all of it.

if it's one belt inside that first splitter there

then it's 1 to 4

[rose sequoia]

okay yeah thank you

[opaque quartz]

Didn’t want to manifold?

[rose sequoia]

i mean i could

its only 112.5 iron ore a min needed

[opaque quartz]

Would be the same number of splitters, in this case

[rose sequoia]

yeah

[opaque quartz]

Although I like putting a splitter at every endpoint of a manifold regardless, in case I need to expand it out later

[rose sequoia]

i mean i wont need to expand so a load balancer should be fine

[vapid gorge]

coal gens?

[rose sequoia]

?

[vapid gorge]

are you feeding coal gens?

[rose sequoia]

no

[vapid gorge]

ah well, you'll be getting faster belts and miners soon enough, so you'll have more coal coming through soon enough

[rose sequoia]

i have t3 belts and t2 miners rn

[vapid gorge]

yeah you can overclock nodes and put more ore on belts

[rose sequoia]

already did

im using 330 iron i think rn

[dense python]

should i keep making smart plates after phase 1

or stop making them and start making them again later for finishing phase 2

[vapid gorge]

either or? if its automated might as well let it go

[opaque quartz]

You will need smart plating as the basis for more complex parts in every subsequent phase, so if you have it automated now, you might as well let it continue to run and stockpile

You will need to make ||4300|| total smart plating across all five phases

[dense python]

would it be a good idea to have a second factory

or just one big one

[opaque quartz]

Separate factories. The map is huge and diverse and really encourages (and rewards) exploration

!wikisearch independency

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[opaque quartz]

Natural instinct will be to just keep expanding one big factory. The problem is it becomes unmanageable at scale, and can easily tank your FPS once it gets big

Build your factories close to the necessary resources for the production that the factory is doing

[main shuttle]

some of the caves in SF really remind me of Scanner Sombre

[rose sequoia]

about to complete phase 2 what should i do after i complete it

[wind spade]

Complete phase 3

[vapid gorge]

just pick a milestone and go, its just part of a tutorial in the end

[opaque token]

guys does this math look good? 10 wiring / m

[wind spade]

(with default recipes)

[opaque token]

yuh

[hushed trellis]

wait shouldn't the input be 83.3% to prevent overflow?

[wind spade]

wdym? you can't really rate-limit belts (reasonably) and the 100% refers to % of input

[hushed trellis]

yea if 100% of the input is going in and we add 16.7% back to the total input we get 116.7% going in the splitters

[hushed trellis]

I know that, I was talking abt rate limiting the input

[charred saffron]

Overflow is still not really an issue with belts though. Only time overflow can become an issue is when you're reliant on fluids, like making fuel out of HOR

[wind spade]

and that's not a problem

that's how the 1:5 works

the belt after merger indeed has like 120% of input

[hushed trellis]

man I rly should remember that not everyone cares abt perfect values and overflow a lot

[wind spade]

wdym? there's no overflow in the 1:5

[hushed trellis]

yea and that 120% splits to 60% which each split 20- oh

[wind spade]

🙂

[hushed trellis]

yea am going back to my corner

[lucid stirrup]

i have output of 5 Reinforced iron plates, i need them to go out in 2 assemblers, wach assembler requires 2 reinforced iron plates. i have the 1 left over, can anyone tell me how can i divide correctly so the 1 plate goes somewhere else and the assemblers get correct amount of plates?

[cerulean stratus]

Making a vertical load balancer

I feel like the game really needs vertical splitters

it's a vertical version of this

but I wonder if it's possible to colapse them into 1 dimension

[wheat dust]

I don't understand the design philophy of independency. Why make each factory independent per full component completion when you can make each step of the compnent independent and reuse it for other components?

[empty maple]

Cleaner landscape with less traffic between nodes

[wheat dust]

Idk if that's actually true implementation

[livid turret]

It gets more and more difficult to track your excess of material to use in other lines

[wheat dust]

I use modular train station factories starting from ore to the end components.

[wind spade]

manifold, it will self-balance

[livid turret]

If you create independent final product lines, you don't need to touch anything and you can even increase throughput by overclocking and adding more of the raw materials

[wind spade]

because you don't know in advance how much you need

[wheat dust]

well, that's true, but independency makes it so you have to rebuild setups and think of different designs to fit said setups in a area

which is fun, but making a train stop with a input of what you need, crafting the component, and then a train station to send it out, seems to be more efficient

[wind spade]

you never rebuild

[wind spade]

it means you've wasted time building more of something before

[wheat dust]

If i need to make computers for 1 factory, i'd have to make computers for another factory

[wind spade]

independency doesn't mean more buildings, it just means the buildings are built in a different order

[wheat dust]

it would be like singing the Abc's. but every time I go to the next letter, I'd have to resing the entire song

A AB ABC ABCD

[wind spade]

sure, but with the non-independency approach, you instead sing AAAA BBB CC D

[wheat dust]

Na, I just sing the abcs

[wind spade]

same amount of letters (machines), just different order

[wheat dust]

Modualer design tactics

[wind spade]

you still need the same amount of machines for same amount of production

[wind spade]

either you build machines for 20 rotors, and then later machines for 20 more rotors that go to motors (independency)

or you build 40 rotors, and later use 20 of them to motors (but still built the same 40 rotors in total)

[wheat dust]

I'm saying designing the structure for computers is easier to do once rather than remembering how it's made to do it 2 or 3 times in different areas

and also if i make a bunch of wire, i can supply that wire to other factories

[wind spade]

the advantages are:

• you can use different recipes in the new area
• you can use different resources in the new area
• you can use newer tech in the new area
• you don't have to guess how much you'll need in the future

[wheat dust]

i still don't understand other than trying to force exploration (which isnt a bad thing)

I don't need to know any math with this sort of setup

[cerulean stratus]

my experience without independency was building something, and later on realizing I need to build more of that something for the new things

[livid turret]

To concentrate production of one item in a factory to then deliver to multiple factories is very Factorio but the most important thing is that you are having fun building like that.
I just found out that I prefer to set complete independent lines of final products without having to mix intermediates

[wind spade]

it's a way to play, you don't have to like it or use it. But that doesn't change the fact that most people were happy with it when presented and for many people it actually resolved their issues (either logistic issues ingame, or personal issues with burnouts and such)

[wheat dust]

I just mass produce, and if there's a lack, I find the base source and expand that 1 thing rather than redesigning an entire factory producing 5 things for 1 thing

This is litterarly the level of design needed

anything more than this is like trying to make a wheel out of glass

[wind spade]

and this "I need more of X, but that needs more of Y, which needs more of Z, which needs more of W, ..." is a common problem that people come here with. You may like it, some people don't.

The approach you're suggesting isn't "bad" per say, it's just not the meta for Satisfactory, it's more like Factorio way

and again, you can play in any way you want, but that doesn't change how well recieved the independency suggestion is in general

[wheat dust]

I just find it interesting that people go to the lengths of figuring out exact amounts for independency. The only time i've cared about exact amounts is coal power and fuel power

[wind spade]

wdym exact amounts?

[wheat dust]

everything else has just been "Not enough? lets slap some more constructurs down"

[lucid stirrup]

what is a good time to start building normal factories, at the moment im building spaghetti, because i know i will need something new, change belts or better miners, and i have to rebuild everything. am i even playing correctly?

[wind spade]

my personal recommendation is "never rebuild"

[wheat dust]

when you get train stations/signals

[wind spade]

you just run it through a calculator, get the numbers, build it. The independent factories are actually pretty small, since most items are only needed in 5-10/min amounts

[lucid stirrup]

whats the point? imagine i am making wires and cables now, i get something better and just build something new next to the old one? seems a bit stupid imo

[livid turret]

Whatever is done, is done. There are more nodes and places to build more, more beautiful and/or more efficient

[cerulean stratus]

not just that, a detail of satisfactory is that it's hard to balance exactly how much to give to each parts.
Take rips, how many rips for storage, for modular frames, for heavy modular frames?
you can't say "I want 3 per min here, 14 over there, and 85 over there". That's the issue with mass building. At best you need to wait for the manifolds to balance themselves out, or you say x machines go here, and y machines go there. And at that point, that's independency

[wheat dust]

I'm still using my very first starter base 60 hours in

[wind spade]

if you rebuild, you lose old factory and gain new
if you just build new, you have both old factory and new factory, with less effort (don't need to dismantle) and more production

even a bad factory is better than no factory

[wheat dust]

Ol' Reliable

[livid turret]

I'm at phase 4, I have built 10 RIP per minute and that carried me till this point. I just created a new line of RIP to feed my super computers independent line

[wheat dust]

I'm just a "if I need more, I extend the line. If the station/train is oversaturated, I make a duplicate station somewhere else and add a train stop or new train"

[lucid stirrup]

i have something like this now for smart plates(in the corner making biomass), i know it can be build better, it takes up so much space and i just feel like i should tare everything down and rebuild all the time after a small milestone,

feels like im doing something wrong

[cerulean stratus]

modular frames want rips. I can believe you built 10 per min for your storage, but other things want it too

[wheat dust]

How'd you get a picture of my first mega base

[lucid stirrup]

lmao

[wheat dust]

I litterarly started over because I was building like that and couldn't expand like i needed

I was spaghetti mania and got stuck at phase 4

[cerulean stratus]

I mean, I would tell people to tear things down and build it back up, just so they'd realize it doesn't matter, and what they need is not to rebuild, but build more on top of the old

[wheat dust]

that's when I came up with modular train stations, similiar to factorio design

[lucid stirrup]

and i fel like a have to run around the whole map just to get a plate and a cable, stopped playing around V0.7 and started playing again because of that

feels like im doing something wrong

[wheat dust]

Just add a roof and do it better this time

[wheat dust]

make this

It produces all the basic stuff and it's all right next to the hub. You can do the same thing with copper/ steel

[cerulean stratus]

at some point just make those things locally

but now it's a non issue thanks to the depot

[lucid stirrup]

so at the start i would take as much as i need for a build? or this is meant just so i can build stuff, and not for parts production?

[wheat dust]

it's just to build and research. not meant to be apart of automation

[lucid stirrup]

okay

[cerulean stratus]

my protip is to divide parts from production, from parts for your consumption

[wheat dust]

My automation using trains

[livid turret]

Trust me, just 10 RIPs, 10 rotors and some of the other things. If time is not an issue, you explore and you stock yourself, you can reach phase 4 without needing to build too much.
But phase 4 made me automate computers, HMFs, HS connectors, etc and those have their own production.
I even have 3 constructors at 100% producing concrete since the start, that's 45 I think that goes to an ISC that feeds a DD

[wheat dust]

automation for end game components for me is 5 stations and a line of manufactureres with an output to the 5th train station

litterarly, the only design you need is 1 input and 2+ inputs and trains

there's a few fancy design things with some automation, like turning the extra water from aluminum creation to make power with coal, but that's the light at the end of the tunnle

[cerulean stratus]

I was thinking you were saying 10 rips in total, if other things have their own production that's fine

But I'm saying you can't just build like 500 rips per min, and then say "I want 10 to go over here"

You can yes, but it's not very easy to do

you either do load balancers that will need to be changed whenever you update things, wait for the manifolds to auto balance or you reserve some machines for some places

[wheat dust]

what are these manifolds you speak of?

[cerulean stratus]

it's what we call when we put machines side by side

more like splitters side by side

[wheat dust]

Ohhhh

[cerulean stratus]

we wait for things to get full, and when they do they move on the the next

[wheat dust]

i do that stuff. didn't know there was a name for it

that's how I build my glorious stations

I just put 2 stations side by side connected to the main track, and then put a manifold behind the station

or 4/5 stations (depending on how many inputs)

[cerulean stratus]

one thing that I disagree with greeny, is that how for him, independency means a whole factory producing one part.
I think independency can also mean multiple factories making one part, when their logistics don't mix up with other parts

[wheat dust]

i read the wiki for it and it says a whole factory that makes all the parts to make 1 part

just sounds like over-complication to try and extend the length of the game (or more likely, to force exploration to find space)

[lucid stirrup]

i just researched coal, should i use it as fast as possible or can it wait?

[cerulean stratus]

whether you're mass producing, or you're building factory by factory, you're still making the same number of machines

[wheat dust]

like i said before, i'd rather build computers using a manifold rather than a whole system of manifolds

and if I have more computers than I need? good. That's the goal.

[cerulean stratus]

Building it like that is fine, but I'm gonna tell you why I stopped building it like that

[wheat dust]

alright

https://tenor.com/view/hulk-smash-gif-12677792749566644516

lol

[wind spade]

independency is "a production line ore->product" is separate/independent from others

may be a few factories hooked in series, or one factory making two different products, doesn't need to be a single factory

[wheat dust]

"Independency is a gameplay strategy where factories do not depend on each other"

[lucid stirrup]

would manifold balance my items? i have a belt, that transfers 120 items per minute, i need the items to split in 12 constructors, would it work lkike that?

[wheat dust]

it's legit the first line of https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[lucid stirrup]

idk if its called balancing lol

[cerulean stratus]

Let's take pipes
We have pipes going first to encased industrial pipes, and then to stators for motors
At first, everything is fine, but then I need to make more industrial beams, but because I didn't increase my pipes, some pipes that would go to the stators won't. Things that were working fine before are not working fine anymore, and I don't like that

[wheat dust]

just put them all in a row and use splitters. it wont be even, but that doesn't matter.

[wheat dust]

just expand the pipe train station

don't need to go all doom and gloom on me

[cerulean stratus]

yes, that will be needed. But the point is that if a thing was working fine before, anything that I add to it shouldn't interrupt that

[wheat dust]

I like the idea because it makes it so you're always producing regaurdless of anything

the re-doing of making the same thing in a complicated system is what bothers me

with limited space, etc

just seems daunting to newbies

I like independcy for the design, not the practicality. I guess that's how I end my questioning of it

[hazy hill]

Portals always use 2/m Singularity Cells or consumption depends on distance?

[cerulean stratus]

always 2 per min

[unborn ermine]

Yeah

[cerulean stratus]

I mean, personally I didn't like independency at the start, but I would start liking it more and more as I saw issues with my designs

[wheat dust]

I just dont like making 5-10 factorys to make the 1 factory im trying to make. And then having to make the same factorys to make something different.

currently I just set up a train station, make a manifold, and then send it to another train station

[cerulean stratus]

yeah, expanding saves you from having to make the skeleton over and over again

[wheat dust]

it all comes down to my time. I have to live outside of ficsit and my wonderful holiday pay

[cerulean stratus]

well, efficiency can be describes as effort/time

so it's fine

we do value efficiency here

[wheat dust]

I think so as well. It's a nice design concept for people who want to play for years

[cerulean stratus]

it's a nice design concept for people who don't want their previous work to break because of new work

which is valid

[wheat dust]

this system never breaks

[oblique hollow]

I just mix n match design paradigms on a whim

[cerulean stratus]

yeah that's some good thing

[wheat dust]

it just runs out of resources...

[cerulean stratus]

honestly rn I'm worse designing things than when I started

because I can tell how they will break

[wheat dust]

and takes a little bit of time because I havnt pumped it out (bare bones while I learn)

[wheat dust]

I litterarly had a spaghetty mega factory to tier 4 and got tired of trying to run my belts to other ends of the factory. I just wasnt sure how expansive the game was.

in the end, I was surprised, And I needed much more space and expansion of machines.

[cerulean stratus]

that is fine, that's how you learn the limitations of your designs

[wheat dust]

i have 0 limitations, other than the limitations themselves, which are also 0

just because of how fast a problem can be fixed compared to how long it takes to build huge factories for every component to make the component you want

ficsit gonna give me an extra 15 minute break this week for this innovation

[cerulean stratus]

personally I like to think of the best ways to make something run well from the start. But I also don't like to build big things all at the same time

[wheat dust]

I think i'll read another few pages of the book i'm reading

[cerulean stratus]

So I go out of my way to find a good design that works well at the start and I can expand later

[outer vale]

Jumping back to this, one logical factory can be made up of multiple physical factories. The only difference is just instead of belts connecting one part to the next, you've got vehicles (or longer belts). It's still one overall thing, just broken down

you wouldn't say a single RIP factory was actually an ingot factory connected to a plate and rod factory connected to a screw factory, but the only difference there really is distance

[wheat dust]

Okay okay okay

so as my final verdict, the reason why "load until full" is broken on trains is because of independcy

[modest zealot]

just started over lets see how that turns out

[wheat dust]

and if "Load until full" wasnt broken, independcy would be considered a waste of time

[cerulean stratus]

wym load until full?

[wheat dust]

the load until full option on trains

[cerulean stratus]

you mean that you have to wait for your train stations to fill for it to work fine?

[wheat dust]

it causes a infinite docking issue

something that's been a problem for over a year

[cerulean stratus]

oh, it means you have to wait for your train to be full to move

[hazy hill]

it wait before all Freight Platforms loaded

[wheat dust]

yes. but it stops with 1 stack not full and it wont try and fill it up

[hazy hill]

no power maybe?

[cerulean stratus]

thing is, what if you have to wait for turbo motors to fill up

[wheat dust]

and the developer probably can't fix it because litterarly the universal deity was like "What about your independency?" and it's actually a celestial joke

[cerulean stratus]

turbo motors take so long to make, and you can't easily expand them

[modest zealot]

either a goth girl or a femboy 🤔

anyways

[cerulean stratus]

maybe you're not at turbo motors, but radio control units

[hazy hill]

think

[modest zealot]

hmm plays satisfactory..

plays ets2

i guess femboy

[hazy hill]

how did u know

[modest zealot]

truckersmp server :3

[hazy hill]

hehe

[modest zealot]

so am i right or

[hazy hill]

of course not

[modest zealot]

:c

[wheat dust]

yes. And if it worked, independcy would be redundant. because if the train waited to fill, distrubution would be even and no stops would ever be skipped because the train NOW has to leave every 15 seconds or with a small amount of items.

[modest zealot]

you must be one of a kind

[cerulean stratus]

i think you can make it wait 30 seconds if you want

or 30 minutes

idk I don't use trains

[wheat dust]

yes, but then i'm calculating how much i can produce and would have to adjust every time I add anything

I think the bug is artifical. I used to be a game developer, then i realized I was being controlled by a "higher power" and any bugs/issues that had no solution were deemed to be consequences on reality rather than something wrong with my programming.

like, quite literarly, off topic. but That's why a fundamental feature like trains leaving when full would remain broken.

If the developer would just leave independcy out and let players decide for themselves, the bug would have a magical solution

but because the wiki says to do independcy, the universe made a joke about it that only a few people would ever see

man, crazy reality.

I wouldn't be surprised if the developer didn't know about it, and everyone affected would be apart of the same "something wrong with you" crowd. This is the level of detail this game gives me examples for.

[cerulean stratus]

why doesn't it work?

can you show me what your settings say?

[wheat dust]

The freight only loads 90% of the way and then stops

[cerulean stratus]

it stops like it doesn't load more?

mind if i see?

[wheat dust]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/yvfm01/issue_with_trains_set_to_wait_until_fully/

I don't have the settings any more, but i can replicate it

This breaks trains

some people said to set it to 0 seconds wait time, and that also didnt work,

setting it to "or" works, but then the train leaves without being fully loaded

and its because the freight stops trying to load when the inventory is almost full. I checked and it was 99% full every time

And that reddit was from 2 years ago

[cerulean stratus]

ah,

[wheat dust]

and I experienced this problem 2 days ago before i changed all the trains to 1 frieght load/unload or 15 seconds

[cerulean stratus]

it's probably because it can't load that last stack

[wheat dust]

yes, which is so game breaking - but it also diminishes the point of this entire thread

so if that gets fixed, math and meta becomes linear

which is fine either way, but to have it in the game and it be broken? sounds like i was supposed to talk about it

[cerulean stratus]

yeah you make a point

satisfactory is a good game, but some of its limitations annoy me

[wheat dust]

like, satisfactory could be my favorite game of all time. It could be revolutionary. But it's being held back. Either by a confused developer, or something greater for greater reasons. probably both.

[cerulean stratus]

not being able to do perfect logistics is weird honestly

but that's why mods exist

[wheat dust]

That's the other thing that bothers me. Because of the games flaws, the modding community is lacking.

I want factorio level danger with turrets etc. idc if the developer said they didn't want that in the game. I want the mod community to provide it for me.

[cerulean stratus]

one's 2d game, though

[wheat dust]

but it's non-existant. there's some QoL mods, a few machine packs, but nothing that changes the game

[outer vale]

time to learn how to mod

[wheat dust]

i don't wanna... I spent 8 years making games, that was enough for me to let others do it for me

[outer vale]

maybe all 6 of the base defense fans have that mindset 😛

[wheat dust]

well maybe if the game wasn't broken on some ground breaking levels that makes me waste my time, we'd have more than 6 base defence fans

I say all of this with love. of course.

[vapid gorge]

is this yo usaying you want base defense in Satisfactory?

[wheat dust]

idk, i'll leave some feedback for the developer. I'm just saying, they may never actually read it. because of spooky action at a distance.

[amber umbra]

@wheat dust I use the “fully loaded/unloaded OR 10,000 s” for all my trains without issue. Maybe try larger time amounts.

[wheat dust]

yes, i'd love a hundred of those animal things trying to rush my base and kill me. breaking my structures is a bonus.

[wheat dust]

i know its a redundant question, but why leave the station at all if its not fully?? i get it should be full in 10000 seconds, but that's not the point. why do i have to type out 10000 seconds.

[vapid gorge]

so you're saying, a game that is, at it's very core, about designing unique solutions to personal project, basically 100% logistics and architecture and is un abashedly so, and your complaint is that it's not an entirely different game.

this is why factorio players suck

[wheat dust]

I'm complaining about independcy and how even the bugs in the game force it upon players

what happened to "play how you want!"

[amber umbra]

@wheat dust It’s just my workaround for getting the train behavior I want. Ideally it would have more quality of life in trains.

[wheat dust]

that's really all I want fixed. It's been a wonderful game.

[amber umbra]

It is what it is. Reasonable to want more. Reality is the devs do more qol or they don’t.

[wheat dust]

yep, it is what it is.

[vapid gorge]

honestly it's like playing a fps and complaining it's not an RTS

[wheat dust]

It's like saying you're a factory game and then breaking the line of production

don't use the 1 off topic thing against me, that wasn't the main topic.

[vapid gorge]

oh man Orgo, thought you were around a lot longer. You probably missed the years of people coming on here and complaining about SF in what effectively boiled down to 'this isn't Factorio and I'm going to complain loud and long that this isn't a different game'

it was insuferable

[wheat dust]

It's like trying to play football in a football game and having the passing mechanic bug out so you can only run your plays

and then the developer says "We only want to focus on running in this game"

like, what?

[vapid gorge]

it was a lot worse in the years before you joined up

[amber umbra]

Look, it’s fine for people to critique a game. If there’s a clear genre leader, it’s just going to happen. Better to just say “yea, is what it is” to those critiques here than the weird anti player responses. The devs don’t need us to defend them from reasonable critique.

[vapid gorge]

sure you can, but... they are very different games. Apart from the concept of 'automation' they're basically polar opposites

[wheat dust]

I'm glad its not factorio. I just don't want gang wars about it either.

[vapid gorge]

and those differences is what sets sf apart. Absolutely do not want it to be factorio cause those are the things that make it great

[wheat dust]

i want mods for features that factorio also implements

whether factorio existed or not, regaurdless, i'd still want those features.

[outer vale]

might be worth checking out the modding server then

[wheat dust]

gonna go whisper in their ear

not really, it's not that important and will happen eventually anyways.

and if it doesnt, then that's a ton of real-estate that is unused which could fund better and more expansive experiences on SF than are available.

it's not about purity, it's about acceptance... of your factorio overlords

I would also like pollution added to the game... for the biters

anyways, yall can go back to your math and meta. this was a nice offtopic of this thread

[hazy hill]

Refinery isnt 20m Lenght? Wiki says it 20m. In fact it have 22m

[unborn ermine]

probably hit/boundingbox vs mesh

like the soft clearance thing with most stuff

(aka before clipping)

[hazy hill]

actually... no

[cerulean stratus]

btw, is there someone here who likes to think about factory layouts?

[wheat dust]

maybe the game would have less bugs if the developer wasnt rebuilding systems to create new systems. idk. wtf. haha

[cerulean stratus]

Like efficient factory layouts

[unborn ermine]

actually, yes thats what I mean

[wheat dust]

i can't. i gotta go back to finishing this game. It's fun, and that's what matters.

[unborn ermine]

they arent clipping those are using the object + object limits and not actual model

[charred saffron]

I'd be down to think along, sure

[unborn ermine]

Its the reason I added this at the end

(aka before clipping)

[amber umbra]

This is broadly the efficiency minded channel, so efficient layouts is yes.

[unborn ermine]

also meta, could be meta of how to build as well

[cerulean stratus]

I feel like there's 2 ways to build in this game, independency or expansion

I was trying to find out how to expand, while making sure that when you expand you don't ruin what you've already made

[violet turtle]

ouch

good thing this is a fuel plant im building

[vapid gorge]

@terse spear

keep them split. The left are diagrams of the various recipe combos and the ratiors of fresh to waste water they produce

the right image is an exmaple of sloppy + electrode . blue line is fresh water red is waste

in the right example I also clocked the solution and scrap refineries so they fed each other 1:1

[terse spear]

Ooooh right... I can just have the water from the refineries that produce scrap feed only SOME of the ones making solution

[vapid gorge]

this also works with the byproduct acid in the nuclear chain as well as dark matter residue later

it's not the only way to do it, but it's by far the most reliable

[terse spear]

I have recipe for Sloppy, but I also realized I can't use it because I need the Silica

As I am not mining Quartz >_>

[vapid gorge]

get the pure ingot recipe 🙂 very helpful

[terse spear]

I made a whole system using Sloppy at first before I realized that xd

[terse spear]

Am trying :D

[vapid gorge]

these are example clockings sloppy electrode

[terse spear]

Gotta get hazmat suit first to get like, 5 HDs I've found already but are kinda dangerous due to uranium goes BRRRR

[vapid gorge]

something else, don't try to merge all your bauxite refs together, keep them in their own processing chunks

[terse spear]

Anyways, I shall try to figure this out myself then fail and refer to the charts you gave, THANK YOU

[vapid gorge]

like process each belt stand alone

[terse spear]

Merge?

Like uh how

[vapid gorge]

some people try to process like ... 4000 bauxite in one go

but they'll link up alllll the fresh water refs from all that in one chunk and alllll the waste water refs

[terse spear]

I honestly did not even check how much my one Bauxite miner is making, I should probably do that

[vapid gorge]

I'm not saying it's impossible to do it, but it's definitely a pain in the ass. If you jsut want it to work just process each belt of baux indepedently

[vapid gorge]

yeah just process each node on it's own 🙂

[terse spear]

But I am getting at most 480 bauxite per minute anyways limited by the one belt bringing it

I only have one node :D

But then, each refinery uses 120 per min and I have 4 so the belt is not the problem

[dense python]

is 2 water extractors enough for 4 coal gens

[vapid gorge]

you could also design your first bauxite processing to hand 780, since you'll be getting mk5 belts and just have to upgrade the belts soon

[vapid gorge]

1 extractor is enough.

Do the maths though, building systems based on numbers of machines is much tougher

[terse spear]

The one I claimed is Pure, and fully Sharded

[dense python]

1 extractor wasnt enough before, the water kept decreasing

[vapid gorge]

something is wrong with the set up then

1x extractor = 120 water
1x coal gens = -45

so 2x coal gens only need 90

[terse spear]

Now if I could remember what a fully sharded pure mk2 miner gives out...

I'll just go check xD

[vapid gorge]

another reason why looking at the actual numbers is useful, because then you'd realise something there was broken 🙂

[terse spear]

It's not THAT long a trip

[vapid gorge]

ok? you said 2 extractors to 4 coal gens.

that's the same as 1 to 2

[dense python]

you said 1 was enough for 4 coal gens

[vapid gorge]

sorry meant 1 is enough for 2

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

some simple layouts and you can check the math

[dense python]

alr

does 8 gens 3 extractors work with mk1 pipes

[vapid gorge]

nope. you can see that in the diagrams

how much does 3 extractors produce?
how much can a mk1 pipe move?

[dense python]

alright ill make another coal gen so its 2 extractors 4 gens

but ill make the extractors seperate so 2 gens get one extractor

[delicate night]

how can i get my water to my coal faster

[vapid gorge]

throughput is all that matters, sometimes long pipes take a while to get water to a spot?

like a belt? is that what you mean?

[dense python]

if its going upward use pumps

or the water wont go through at all

[delicate night]

ya i put some pumps

[dense python]

pumps dont make it faster, they just make it so the water/fuel can go upward

it matters more that alot of water goes through and less the speed

[vapid gorge]

are you getting ANY water? or are you waiting for it to fill?

[delicate night]

ya its not get to all of them

[vapid gorge]

show some overhead shots of yoru fluid systems

[dense python]

add a pump before the pipe that isnt getting water

[vapid gorge]

depending on where before it might not help

[delicate night]

k

[dense python]

it goes up at some points from what I can see

[delicate night]

ya the water is down from the caol

[terse spear]

Oh lovely my pure bauxite mine makes 600 ore/min

That does perfectly for the 480-consuming build

[vapid gorge]

ok you need to calculate how much water you're trying to move, and how much 1x mk1 pipe can move

[delicate night]

i did 9 water is 1080 and that good for 24

[opaque quartz]

How much can a single pipe hold?

[vapid gorge]

" and how much 1x mk1 pipe can move"

[delicate night]

how can i cheack for the all pipe

[vapid gorge]

in your build menu or wiki

the tool tips show how much belts nad mpipes can move

[delicate night]

this

[vapid gorge]

well that does tell you the max, but you have a big build menu that is Q I think that shows you all your items and thos ehave tool tips

[opaque quartz]

What does it say there next to max flow rate?

[wind spade]

nobody reads those nice tooltips 😦

[vapid gorge]

ikr?

[delicate night]

this

[vapid gorge]

now how much does it say it can move pm xD

pls... pls read it

[opaque quartz]

Something something horse to water

[delicate night]

300m^3 pre min

[vapid gorge]

great. So now you know your problem right?

[delicate night]

no

[wind spade]

well that's a problem

[vapid gorge]

is 1080 water pm more than 300 water pm?

[delicate night]

o

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch CG

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[vapid gorge]

there's some good diagrams for beginner friendly set ups for coal power here with lots of info

[delicate night]

thanks

[devout adder]

anyone know how many parts/min i should automate for phase 4?

Because im aiming for like 5-10 right now and idk if its tto much

[rose sequoia]

what do i do with this oil residue? just store it in fluid buffers for now?

[remote flame]

There is a default recipe you should have unlocked called 'residual fuel'. Turn that Heavy Oil in to fuel and power! (Fuel generators needed too)

If you want to delve in to alternate recipes and a bit more production lines, you are most efficient by using the 'Heavy Oil Residue' alternate recipe first on your Oil, then turning it all in to diluted packaged fuel / diluted fuel, then using that fuel to make 'recycled rubber' and 'recycled plastic'. It's 3x more efficient on Oil than the default recipes 🙂

[rose sequoia]

fuel generates is a milestone right?

[remote flame]

Tier 5, petroleum power yes 🙂

[rose sequoia]

ohh

so ill probaly just store it for now

[remote flame]

Yeah there are other uses for heavy oil residue such as petroleum coke (helpful with alternate recipes for aluminium in tier 7-8), smokeless powder (for use with more advanced weaponry), turbofuel (MAM research in the sulphur tech tree) etc 🙂

But for where you're at, keeping it for making fuel /diluted fuel is the best spot

[rose sequoia]

im doing vanilla recipes for now sense its my first save

[wind spade]

process it and use the product

[rose sequoia]

60/m plastic and rubber

now i need to build a better power factory

[remote flame]

For Tier 7-8 (phase 4) I recommend at least 5/min for Fused Modular Frames and Turbo Motors as it will get you by while building and a bit spare for Tier 9 parts. To keep your factory small (if you don't want to build more than needed), you could overclock the main manufacturer/blender to 250% and slooping it. That will result in a nice amount/min too

For project assembly parts, pretty much if you feel like you want to progress faster, produce more! There isn't really a right or wrong for that at all, entirely personal. Same goes for any item you make. Just use the saying 'If I need more, make more' haha

[delicate night]

what it rn

[rose sequoia]

bad lemme show u

[delicate night]

bet

[delicate night]

that what im at rn lol

[rose sequoia]

ohh

yeah i need more

so i can make crystal obilators

[delicate night]

are you goin to do some fuel

[rose sequoia]

wym

yes

[delicate night]

turbo or rocket

[rose sequoia]

imma add 2500 mw with a oil power plant

[delicate night]

wow

[rose sequoia]

it uses around 300 mw i think

[delicate night]

so a profit of 2100

[rose sequoia]

yeah

[wind spade]

ah yeah 2500 - 300 = 2100

very math

[rose sequoia]

very

[delicate night]

ya im verymath

[devout adder]

I’m making 60 hmf and crystal oscillators right now to make oc supercomputers so I think 5-10 should work

Could sloop all of it too

[dense python]

how long does 1 coal last in a tractor

im gonna make a transportation line with autopilot

[wind spade]

depends on driving

[dense python]

wdym

[wind spade]

it's only used when vehicle is accelerating

[devout adder]

Just finished making 3600 plastic/min and 1800 rubber/min but I’m only using about 1000 of each. Any alternate recipes in phase 5 that could use all of this?

[vapid gorge]

lots

plastic and rubber are often used as fillers

[wind spade]

generally you want to make as much as you need, not make a random amount in hopes you'll use it 😛

[opaque quartz]

as soon as that buffer fills up, your plastic production will stop

[vapid gorge]

!wikisearch plastic

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=plastic

[rose sequoia]

why is this not filling up i have a miner connecting to it

[opaque quartz]

@rose sequoia you can turn the heavy oil residue into petroleum coke and either burn it in coal plants, or sink it in the awesome sink. this would allow you to continue to produce plastic until you unlock the fuel generator milestone. edit: nevermind, I see you already unlocked the milestone

[rose sequoia]

both powered

[opaque quartz]

you have it paused. flip the standby switch

[rose sequoia]

oh

[opaque quartz]

machines won't fill up when on standby

[rose sequoia]

whoops

[opaque quartz]

only generators do that

[wind spade]

also I wouldn't be surprised that it's not filling if you connected miner to it

[rose sequoia]

yk what i meant

[dense python]

would it be better to overclock the coal miner for my gens, or use a second coal miner for my foundry and truck station

[opaque quartz]

those don't seem like mutually exclusive choices?

[dense python]

overclocking my generators coal miner and splitting it to the foundry&truck station

[vapid gorge]

you're going ot need a lot of power. I recomend using 3-4 whole nodes for it

[rose sequoia]

i used 3 whole nodes when i did coal

[dense python]

should i go for caterium or quartz first

[rose sequoia]

up to you ngl

i personally did caterium now i got oil power so imma do quartz

[dense python]

ill do quartz first for the bladerunners

[rose sequoia]

i manually made those😭

[vapid gorge]

I don't think there's an automated recipe for it, so everyone did?

[delicate night]

should i keep some rotor on hand or will i only need them for smart plating

[opaque quartz]

Rotors are used in several other more complex parts, like motors, and many machines like assemblers and water extractors

!wikisearch rotor

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rotor

[vapid gorge]

praise the wiki, love the wiki

[rose sequoia]

i mean like the silica needed

[vapid gorge]

eh, takes 2 minutes, I thikn basically everyone just grabs a quick stack of crystal to take home and do that

[cerulean stratus]

you need them every time you make assemblers

so yeah

[delicate night]

i on god fg you need them for that

10h of gaming will make your brain go into mush

im done my need base after coal power

[cerulean stratus]

it's looking kinda good, but the storage seems like it's missing some connections