math-and-meta

[edgy leaf]

could be one connected to a hard drive drop pod, all others got removed but that one

[vast jungle]

hmm... BP with PPS and single Biomass burner? 😉

[plain fossil]

wait you are cooking

i did do that

i remember a 40MW one

[formal perch]

Hey, my fuel generator (max overclock) says it burns 10.42 rocket fuel per minute, so full mk2 pipe gives fuel for 57.58 fuel generators when max overcloked? And I will have 2.6ish full mk2 pipes of rocket fuel but satisfactory calculator said I only need 80 at max overclock total so something is off. (Should build so much late at night haha)
Does the 10.42 rocket fuel per minute seems familiar, is it true? I build 58 generators per mk2 pipe incoming rocket fuel?

[plain fossil]

yeah

[unborn ermine]

if you want to do the math without rounding on a calculator, consumption is 25/6 for rocket fuel.

[frosty owl]

Or clock them all in multiples of 24%
A fuel generator at 24% takes 1 RocketFuel/min, easy for math

[unborn ermine]

It ends up being the same clocking for my setup too 240%

[wind spade]

game doesn't care about consumption per minute. The 7.142857 is a rounded number that's calculated from energy value and gen power

[unborn ermine]

Oh and I also LOVE the fact you can fit 4 gens in a Mk2 BP maker
Made this SO MUCH EASIER.

I still have 4 more floors to make

pre clocked goodness

[edgy leaf]

i wonder how viable it would be to manage clock speeds as fractions to allow for perfect accuracy

[unborn ermine]

I would love it tbh, and it would save space
though I wonder how many hoops they will have to jump through to implement. (nothing is ever as simple as we may hope)

[frosty owl]

Meh, wouldn't change much... I don't think there's ever been someone who's had an actual issue due to needing more clocking precision than what the game allows
I also have quite some personal experience with this

[edgy leaf]

ive had issue with this. it made my autism very unhappy

i know its negligible but seeing it be just slightly wrong is painful

[frosty owl]

"Issue" like noticing a number being a bit bigger/smaller than expected or did it actually mess up your power draw (ie: serious/recurrent production issue)?

[edgy leaf]

knowing that the number is the tiniest bit the wrong size hurt my feelings, thats the issue

[frosty owl]

I agree with this, but I differentiate between something that just makes me feel uneasy and something that may actually cause me to need manually intervening at some point in the future when I shouldn't if numbers were correct ^^

So yeah, I get that it makes one feel uneasy, but it's practically not worth bothering about

[edgy leaf]

yea i was just wondering if that would be possible/how hard it would be

[frosty owl]

Just change way the game handles numbers to base in on a numerical system that can represent all possible numbers in the game without loss of precision.
Ez

[edgy leaf]

i mean in a new game system

[fringe seal]

game ticks are already quantized, I don't know

[unborn ermine]

Im reminded of the few people I remember who were agonising on here about the consumption rate of RF
Then a saviour mentioned the 25/6

[fringe pawn]

And not obsessing about using a nice amount of oil

[fringe seal]

if it is .333 or .667 the denominator is 3
if it is .167 or .833 the denominator is 6
I memorized this lol

[frosty owl]

If you already know all the numbers you're working with, you can approach it (kinda) like what I said earlier, but if you don't... I guess you'd have to make sure the game can handle numbers in a pretty huge range with the lower limit being something like 0.2 / 1'000'000 (lowest production/min at minimum clock speed possible)

[edgy leaf]

wdym?

[frosty owl]

Uhm, in which part? 😅

[edgy leaf]

why would i have to make sure that the game can handle a huge range?

[fringe seal]

.111, .222, .444, .556, .778, .889? multiply by 9

[frosty owl]

Because if you want to save each number with no loss of info, you should make a system capable of handling all numbers that can pop up. Not knowing exactly what numbers you'll be dealing with, one has to give leeway (ie assuming they'll have to save numbers from small size X to big size Y)

[scenic cloud]

Can't you literally just use fractions. There are no irrational numbers in the game, and doing math on fractions, while not all that fast, shouldn't be a bottleneck

[edgy leaf]

yea thats kinda my idea, have the current game tick be a number that starts when the save gets made and have the machine store two numbers and calculate whether they should output any items each tick

[frosty owl]

Sounds like it should be possible...
I lack the expertise to tell ^^

One might just be trading computation for memory cells this way though... May not be quite worth it (memory is cheap nowdays) ahahah

[edgy leaf]

doing one division for each building each tick shouldnt be too hard

[frosty owl]

Lots of maybes 🤷‍♂️

[fringe seal]

if the game is already calculating the parts/min from cycles and parts number

[edgy leaf]

yea all the belt logic and stuff would far outweigh that

also, machine could be multithreaded as they dont depend on eachother

hell you could even do it on the gpu if you wanted i think

[fringe seal]

wait, the parts number, is it stored as float

[frosty owl]

I think they should FIRST fix programmable splitters, then we could move on to bettering logistics 😭

[edgy leaf]

wdym fix progrrammable splitters? i dont have any in my belt simulation yet

well,i barely have anything yet but shhh 🤫

whats wrong with programmable splitters in satis?

[frosty owl]

They have a feature that works only when the outputs are higher MK than the input, a very annoying limitation...

[edgy leaf]

?

[fringe seal]

the sushi belt balancing?

[edgy leaf]

i dont understand, which feature? why does it only apply to programmables?

[frosty owl]

You'll likely get a few interesting answers asking in the Modding Discord, if you wish to deepn the subject ^^

[frosty owl]

Normal splitters can load-balance normal (single-item) belts, as in splitting the input in 2 or 3 even outputs.
Programmable splitters can do that for mixed belts, but only if the outputs are higher MK than the input, or the split is not even

[edgy leaf]

lmao rust doesnt allow me to name something foo

[fringe seal]

programmable splitters remember what types of item went to where if you specify it by applying a filter on multiple outputs
that's how I understand it

[frosty owl]

So yeah... I think it'd make quite some sense to fix this before trying to further enhance logistic precision 😆

[frosty owl]

Yeah, and they can output each individual item you listed in a round-robin fashion between the aviable outputs.
Just like a normal splitter does when handling a single-item belt

[frosty owl]

What are you trying to say, in words rather than pixels?

[edgy leaf]

with normal floats, it doesnt work

0.1/0.3 * 0.3 is not 1

when i use the fraction crate, it works.

[frosty owl]

What doesn't work, splitting items?

[edgy leaf]

it says 0.99999994 instead of 1

[frosty owl]

Splitting items always work in very predictive ways because items are integers and cannot be anything else ^^

So "1/3" just means one item every 3 passing through, not 0.333 items

[edgy leaf]

i was still talking about the stuff from earlier

[edgy leaf]

thats really wonky

[frosty owl]

Sorry, I'm not quite following what you're trying to say...
Too many messages and too many misunderstandings I'm having... 😅

[edgy leaf]

im still talking about making machine cycles accurate.

[outer vale]

machine cycles are based purely on time aren't they though

and nice numbers of time, not 2.632874985 seconds

[frosty owl]

I have no idea of what software you were using, so I'm still quite confused abut what you were trying to say

[edgy leaf]

im trying to program my own belt simulation and i want there to be no 1/3 problems

my solution is to use fractions

the software im using is the rust programming language

[thorn bane]

just use boost/multiprecision instead of float, ez
issue is that its slower and people dont realize they have 0.9999994 instead of 1, so theres no point

[vast jungle]

using fractions is not that bad, but when you combine machine ratios the fractions become a bit "long"... so just rouding up or down after a few digits is a reasonable idea

[edgy leaf]

whats boost/multiprecisions? O.o

[edgy leaf]

it would only get integer input and give integer output, its only one fraction at a time.

[thorn bane]

it does exactly that, it uses fractions instead of floats and is used for stuff like finding primes, calculating pi, etc.

[edgy leaf]

ah yea i already installed a fraction library in rust

it works graet, does all the stuff for me

[vast jungle]

for satisfactory it should work quite well, because there are not that many prime-factors involved in machine speeds

[edgy leaf]

like, it only needs to look at current time and decide if it should produce an items. after that point its just integers/floats. it only gets fractional again when it comes to the next machine

[deft lichen]

machine cycle duration is "exactly" the default cycle duration in seconds times the clock speed

all cycle durations are whole seconds, except for the rocket fuel alt for some reason

[vast jungle]

because its rocket science!

[thorn bane]

well the big part is that its Q and not R
dont need to clock a constructor to pi/min or sqrt(2)/min

[deft lichen]

because you're multiplying two rational numbers, the result should again be rational

[edgy leaf]

exactly. so for clocking you only need to multiply one normal number by one fractional number and the output is normal again

[ember fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-computing-counting-math-problems-gif-14678592

[thorn bane]

but then you need to decide when the machine starts
which probably involves some form of timer, that is a float

[deft lichen]

logic ticks are integers

the game ticks n times per second, and only ticks matter for all calculations, real world time is irrelevant

so non-issue

[wind spade]

but game tick length is calculated with delta which is float

[edgy leaf]

i could store the tick where the machine started. the important thing is that theres no error that accumulates over time

as long as all things are based on ticks the ticks can take as long as they want and everything will still be in sync

[sterile tangle]

the fact that gases have 0 way of priority-sorting 😭

[thorn bane]

turn solid then prio sort

[sterile tangle]

hmmm...

[edgy leaf]

there is

its really easy and reliable. VIP and VOP.

||just use trains||

[fringe seal]

I guess this is another case of "just trust the manifold"

[sterile tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[edgy leaf]

three train stations. two for input one for output

it will always prioritize the first train station for input because well, its the first one

tada, u got a vip junction

[sterile tangle]

oooooooooooooh

[edgy leaf]

i mean, its horrible and big and you should never do it, but its /technically/ possible

[thorn bane]

well nitrogen doesnt need priority and dark matter residue doenst go in trains 🤷

[sterile tangle]

yeah my first though exactly

[edgy leaf]

it does, i was wrong

[thorn bane]

oh really?

[sterile tangle]

It doesn't????

[violet peak]

How much inefficiency do I need to bake into trucks? I'm moving less than 1 truck worth of material, but my throughput is lower than my production rate. I assumed so long as I kept the total load under the limit of a truck, it wouldn't matter

[oblique hollow]

Remember to unload and load the station from buffers as fast as possible

So it clears out

Else i dont really know of anything that could drastically lower their throughput other than a ridiculously long route

[violet peak]

I have a loading buffer and the output is already clearing out too fast. Heading back to the pickup to make sure it's producing what it should be

[oblique hollow]

If items pile up on the pickup statiom your route is too long for one truck or you dont dock long enougj

Increase the waiting time so it picks up all stacks

Stations load/unload 2 stacks every second

Got 50 stacks? wait 25 seconds Minimum

You can calculate how many stacks should pile up while the truck does one route

[violet peak]

this is pretty low, like 5-6 stacks a pickup.

truck easily grabs them all

[oblique hollow]

Then wait like 8 seconds just to be sure

[violet peak]

now I wonder if my production has an issue

[oblique hollow]

And then you are all good

If the truck timing isn't off it must be something else

[violet peak]

aha found it, one of my production machines had a belt not hooked up. I had replaced a merger and it didn't snap

numbers jive with that

[oblique hollow]

Replacing mergers requires reconnecting all belts

[violet peak]

except 1 🙂

[oblique hollow]

Belts don't snap back to stuff they are close to

[worldly salmon]

Good Morning. I'm trying to build my first steel ingot production. Am I able to feed off my existing pure coal node that I use for my 8 coal gen setup to split and send a stream of coal to my steel factory or will that eventually kill my coal power? Using Mk.2 conveyor from node to coal gen if that helps

[fringe seal]

what miner are you using, and are coal generators or the miner on overclock (if they are at what %)

[worldly salmon]

just miner mk.1 and no overclock on miner currently

[fringe seal]

coal gens eats 15 coal/min according to the wiki
15*8 = 120

[blissful epoch]

can confirm

[worldly salmon]

which matches the output of a mk1 with no overclock on a pure node with mk.2 conveyor, so I'm gonna go with it would be a bad idea for me to do that then.

[blissful epoch]

mk2 belt is 120, so taking any coal away from it will starve the coal gens

[weak rose]

is there a spreadsheet somewhere for the amount of items vehicles can transport per min

[outer vale]

think there were some graphs for trains

it'll mostly depend on your round trip time

[weak rose]

also something for trucks perhaps?

distance is a bit to short for trains and i wanna do something else than a long ass conveyor belt

[brisk smelt]

@edgy leaf you have been summoned!

[edgy leaf]

never looked into trucks, pretty sure it's just capacity /roundtrip time

[unborn dome]

Unfortunately that doesn't always work when you're trying to be architectural, since the walls and stuff aren't easily shifted.

[pulsar valve]

Can you flush waste?

[rigid pewter]

i was using this as a pipe manifold but everybody says that this is wrong so how do i manifold my pipes ? do i just connect every end to each other ??

[brisk smelt]

what the hell doyou need that many water pipes for

[spare jolt]

hey all. what is the height build limit?

[rigid pewter]

7380 water for aluminum production

[spare jolt]

holy shit. i thought it's one of those small nuclear plants

[brisk smelt]

are you just dummping the byproduct wastewater or something 😭

but no just remove the water bypass ducts or something

they're not useful

the water extractors should be just doing 600 always

[rigid pewter]

i was trying to redirect it back to the system but it was so hard so i am planning to make wet concrete

[brisk smelt]

hah

good idea

[rigid pewter]

the factory is not that hard but the liquid management is a nightmere

[ember fractal]

Always OC miners to 250%

[rigid pewter]

4100 aluminum per min

[brisk smelt]

thats... odd i have only 4500 water for 9600 aluminum/min

[rigid pewter]

so im turning all the bauxite in map to aluminum with 100% mk3 miners

[spare jolt]

why 100% tho, why not 250%?

[rigid pewter]

because i dont have mk6 belts yet

i havent even started phase 4 yet lol

[brisk smelt]

you can still do 200% to mk5

[rigid pewter]

since i can turn bauxite into uranium i wantet to have the same amout if i need for later

[brisk smelt]

why the actual fuck would you do that

[rigid pewter]

i dont know lol

[brisk smelt]

2100 uranium = 600GW clean, 1.something TW dirty, 1.5 TW fisc reclcyled

[rigid pewter]

i can actually copy the build i have and just make the aluminum production bigger any time i want

the only problem is water

and since im using the basic alumina solution recipe i need alot of water

[rigid pewter]

what does dirty and clean power mean ? i havent made it nuclear power yet

[brisk smelt]

clean means sinked pu, dirty means burned pu, clean fisc means burned fisc rods

[topaz jetty]

Where is that from?

[rigid pewter]

can i DM ?

[topaz jetty]

Sure

[ashen girder]

Or use the SAM from the Ficsonium to make more UFRs and get more power overall.

[ashen girder]

Which is why you would do that.

[ebon girder]

Alien wildlife is now extinct 😄 😉 😛

[nova steppe]

I have a train problem, it says my next station is unreachable, but all tracks are connected properly and there seems to be nothing from with my signaling

[pastel obsidian]

Imagine with every DNA capsule sunk there was a chance for a spidertron sized spider to be released

[outer vale]

make sure it's manually driveable and that you would enter the station from the correct side. Then if you still can't figure it out, #1038092680493801533 with pictures of the relevant bits

[nova steppe]

It is manually drivable, what would be relevant pictures to post?

[pastel obsidian]

Most of the time the station is on backwards

[nova steppe]

ahhh

[ashen girder]

Top down of the unreachable station and pictures of signals.

[nova steppe]

yeah that;s it, station unreachable

[ashen girder]

Curvy side should face away from the platforms.

[nova steppe]

yep,

[outer vale]

and that you would enter the station from the correct side
tada lol

[nova steppe]

haha, never had that issue before, Have had bugged belts, weird signals, but not my station being backwards

[spare jolt]

LIAR! Ficsit would NEVER go to a planet it can't exploit infinitely, that includes animals! And if it can't - it will find ways to do so (cough conveyer dupe glitch cough)

[sullen oak]

need soem hel

i need to chekc my math

i have 600 oil and use teh heavy oil residue alt and teh dilutd fuel

ive calculated 30 refineries and 32 generators

i wil have refineries for the thing on 133,33

[tidal dock]

600 oils usually, use 20 refineries to use all to make alt hor.

[sullen oak]

oh

illhave 10 a 200 percent

that makes 800 hor

plus 20 at 133,33 percent to make into teh fuel

so 30

thats 1600 fuel

devided by 50

[tidal dock]

you don't have the blender yet? then use package diluted fuel to make most fuel if that's your goal.

[sullen oak]

yeah thats what im using

when is blender?

[tidal dock]

tier 8 o 9, I forgot.

[sullen oak]

ohjj, im in tier 6

how much fuel does teh blender make?

with only refineries its 20000 mw

[tidal dock]

1600 fuel

[sullen oak]

20000

[sullen oak]

thats same then

20k power

cos 32*625

[tidal dock]

I think diluted packedcage fuel would be cheaper in energy cost.

same yield as using blender but with package cycle in the mix.

[deft lichen]

Diluted packaged fuel is less power efficient

[tidal dock]

still better than OCing Refineris, I would think.

[cerulean stratus]

it's kinda crazy how in this game, better fuel means more generators

[tidal dock]

that's why I'm OCing my gen so I can build less

[cerulean stratus]

yeah that's a good case

But in my case, I'm using coal gens

and the water is kinda far away, and I'm at phase 2

[tidal dock]

btw, I don't thinki OC refineries would works for your liking, OC usually consume more so you would still need 1800 oils to make 1600 fuel if you don't use one of the Diluted recipie

[spare jolt]

@wind spade why do you have alt. fuel icons as their packaged icons and not fluid icons? same for RF and IF

[tidal dock]

during your phase, I usually only make up to 10 coal gen then rush to oil tier and unlock package diluted fuel.

[cerulean stratus]

I've made 16, and with all the slooping, it's not enough 💀

thing is, I'm making compact coal, so I do have the option for double

[tidal dock]

ah, you're doing the funsies.

quick fix to RF plant doing good so far, waiting on pipe to fill.

[spare jolt]

just remember to not scale too fast too early, especially before you can set up your first fuel gens

[cerulean stratus]

why not?

[spare jolt]

Coal gens only produce 75 MW and need both coal and water. While fuel gens produce whopping 250 MW and fuel can be produced in huge amounts using alt recipes

Coal can only be scaled my overclocking the miners, while fuel can be slooped and is usually just a side product in early plastic/rubber production

[cerulean stratus]

I can sloop the assemblers making compact coal

[spare jolt]

You can, but it's not really worth it to burn compacted coal instead of turning it into turbofuel, in my opinion

[cerulean stratus]

ok, we'll use it later for turbofuel then

[spare jolt]

Again, you do you, but I don't scale coal gens further than feeding directly from coal nodes or burning the byproduct coal/coke

[wind spade]

No idea, most likely some error in parsing script. I know about it but it is low priority

[thick heart]

440GW RF factory is finally complete

[tidal dock]

nice, flat line or wavy power line?

[thick heart]

flat

i just set up the last row, so it will be flat in 5 mintues, it was before this row lol

[sullen oak]

I do use diluted

[thick heart]

went from capacity of 28GW to 460GW 💀

[tidal dock]

I just fixed mine going from 40GW to 140GW. I want to use the remain Nitro Gas for Nuclear.

[ebon crater]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=EM0EnPJFpIXaURIFgEA5 opinions, comments, concerns?

[thick heart]

valid yeah, I used 10 nodes of sulfur for mine 💀 gotta make do with what I have with the rest lol

There's your flat line

could be like 40GW more, but I'm packaging some of it as well

[tidal dock]

very nice

I'm using that much out of 2400. Rest will be packaged for drones, I suppose.

[thick heart]

niceee

i did my gen as 240% so i didn't have to deal with that extra 0.42 lol

[rigid pewter]

what is the acceptable efficiency in a big build ?

[thick heart]

100%

[stable stirrup]

hi em stupid question, This is the second time I have had a freze screen in this location, could it be due to too many machines xD? for clarity's sake, there are literally 720 foundries in one place

[violet halo]

Hmm, never seen a borg foundry before.

[tiny leaf]

yeah too many machines for your pc to handle if i had to guess

[stable stirrup]

Well

[thick heart]

might be a ram Issue, i have about 800 machines in my power factory and no problem for me

[violet halo]

It could also be you capping out what's being rendered. Because you can see everything all the time through those floors.

[stable stirrup]

O

[astral warren]

Yeah I was about to say that

The non-opaque flooring isn’t doing you any favors

[spare jolt]

And they're all loaded at once due to frame floors. If you replace them with the regular ones, some of the buildings would unload because they're outside of your FOV

[stable stirrup]

ty

[worn heath]

Can someone run the math for me on how many coupons it would take to buy ficsit?

[brisk smelt]

36,000

[brisk smelt]

oh god wtf are those water pipes

[rigid pewter]

i ended up reading the pipeline manual for my water problem

4100 aluminum per min

[ashen girder]

I like seeing how different people contain their refineries.

You got cute lil boxes around yours.

[rigid pewter]

yeah te colors make it easier to track

[tidal dock]

1500 ppm, if it's accurate, that's nice

[ashen girder]

Accurate for some amount of time, yeah.

If the sending side has backlogged, it'll be artificially inflated until it's empty.

[leaden cosmos]

It can be maintained but needs a certain window of round trip time 🙂

[tidal dock]

it's abit short to 1600 that I need so I'll do two carts.

[ashen girder]

Don't truckstops only have one belt input/output?

If so, there's no way it can maintain 1500. 😂

[tidal dock]

i'm using train

[ashen girder]

Mk5 or Mk6 belts?

[tidal dock]

mk6

[ashen girder]

Yeah, that's doable then.

[tidal dock]

it's short distance, I could Bus it but I think Train is more elegant.

[brisk smelt]

i think 600m ish is just straight up beltable imo

[ashen girder]

Any distance is beltable if you want it to be. 600m's firmly in the range of "do I really want to chain more than 10 full length belts together?"

[ember fractal]

Those are funny little boxes

[proud totem]

Are the incoming/outgoing rates shown in train stations not accurate if you have multiple trains? I am producing 1755 iron ingots, but the station (sum over the 3 cars) is short ~325. However, nothing is actually backing up or not being used, so I think the 1755 is actually being sent no problem, just not being accurately reported in the stations

[ashen girder]

For that specific station, yeah.

[proud totem]

Is this like some sort of bug with having multiple trains? Or technically still intended behavior, just not what I expect it to be?

[ashen girder]

I mean, it's the actual number that's being moved, as far as I'm aware. I haven't heard of any bugs.

What's the receiving end look like?

[proud totem]

Let me go check, but I think it is similar

[ashen girder]

Double check that it's actually emptying, too.

[proud totem]

I know it absolutely is emptying. There is no build up in any of the buffers, stations, or cars. And it is just outputting at a station that sinks the items

But I'll have the recieving numbers in a minute, gotta get there first lol

[ashen girder]

Did you actually check the math on the throughput?

[proud totem]

I'll have to actually time it, so technically no. But I know my belts have the headroom needed to compensate for trains stopping.

It looks like the recieving station is also showing lower than expected. Though I don't think it has been building up, since what is reporting is >300/min, and this has been running for a few hours by now

And looking at the stations, they are just about to be done emptying

[ashen girder]

What stack size, what belt speed?

[proud totem]

Iron ingots, so 100, mk 4 belts, so 480. Putting 720 into to cars, and the remaining 315 into the last car

And yep, just 100% confirmed, nothing is building up anywhere. Not in the unload station, nor the load station, nor the refineries making the iron

[ashen girder]

70-328 seconds between arrivals.

Oh, 720.

That's 109 - 266 seconds between arrivals.

You have buffers on all platforms?

[proud totem]

Yeah, I think that has sufficient time. Again I'd actually have to time it, but since no backup is happening, I am curious what would be happening

[proud totem]

Yes on the load side. Technically not on the unload side, but that is because each station has 2 MK4 belts going right into sinks

So on the unload side a buffer would do nothing

[ashen girder]

And keep in mind: that 109 is the minimum. If it's faster than that, you're losing throughput.

[proud totem]

Yeah, I'll have to actually time. But clearly all the items are moving with no problem since buildup is nowhere to be found 😅

[ashen girder]

Yeah, that's interesting. Check the efficiencies on the iron production.

[proud totem]

Did that math include that I am using 2 trains?

[proud totem]

Those were all at 100% reported by the machines

[ashen girder]

"between arrivals" does a lot of lifting there.

[proud totem]

Strange, now the unload stations are overreporting the amount

By about 171 extra

[ashen girder]

Yeah, it fluctuates.

[proud totem]

So perhaps it is all working then I guess

I just wouldn't figure it would flucuate so drastically

[ashen girder]

If nothing's backing up, and you're positive your numbers are correct, I'd think it's fine.

[proud totem]

Yeah, just definitely an interesting case

Ya know what, it probably has to do with how many trains I have all over the tracks that cause stops to happen. Like it might be just enough to slow down the trains to compensate for their load/unload time

Cuz the time between stops was just 157s

[ashen girder]

Yeah, traffic would definitely exacerbate the variance I think.

Yeah, that puts you square in the safe zone. 😂

[proud totem]

Sick

[scenic cloud]

is there some pattern for doing priority merging?

[proud totem]

Yeah I guess I hadn't considered traffic so much before until now. This is my first playthrough I've actually gotten this far

[ashen girder]

Not really, no.

[proud totem]

There's one that I used, but has some slight problems. There is also a smoothed version that I think fixes the problems, lemme build them real quick

(Because RIP blueprints don't get included in cloud saving on epic)

[magic island]

if multiple trains stop at a station, and are prone to sometimes arriving immediately after one another, you may need to use the extra load/unload logic options

that way the second train doesn't drive off after a partial load/unload and waste the stop

[ashen girder]

Yeah, you can set timers to the minimum at one end and it'll force them to space out.

[proud totem]

Apologize for the clipping, you can avoid it with lifts.

Those are smart splitters at the bottom, both sending overflow to the rightmost merger

[ashen girder]

So in this case, something like 109 second wait.

[spare jolt]

it was a while since they added second ones

[proud totem]

However, this design has a problem of sometimes variability in belts can make it not work entirely correctly

[ashen girder]

Yeah, I just couldn't remember. 😂

[proud totem]

Let me build the improved merger version, but it uses more space

[ashen girder]

"A while" is being generous. U5 , October 2021. 😂

[magic island]

This is a belt compressor, isn't it? I'm not sure that's what people mean when they ask about priority merging.

Usually I think when people want priority merging, they mean like, "Prefer to take from belt A, unless it's empty, and THEN take from belt B"

I'm not fully clear on the use-case; in my view, items is items, I don't care which factory they came from as long as enough are going where I need them to.

[proud totem]

This design uses buffers to ensure the output belt (the left merger) always gets priority. But it takes a while to warm up as the containers need to be full

But this one works better when your lines are not close to full and may have larger variation in them (e.g. a MK 4 belt that only carries ~200 items, but those items come in large chunks instead of gaps spaced evenly)

But if your lines are at like 400 of 480 (or similar for your belt speed), the top one works fine in my experience

Maybe a bit more like 440 of 480, but anyways

(And incase I didn't mention, those are smart splitters)

[scenic cloud]

hm, I will play around with this

may be easier to just load balance things correctly tbh

[proud totem]

Yeah, I wish we just had a priority merger as an actual buildable, since these are a tad chonky

[proud totem]

I should probably play around with this somewhat, since that does seem to happen from time to time

Are there ever downsides to waiting for a full load? Aside from it might take a while on the first few runs to "flood" the system?

[magic island]

downsides might be:

• one train waiting makes the train behind it wait a while too
• if there are different items with different rates at each platform, waiting on a full load for one item might affect the throughput for the other items

I haven't really explored the stop settings so I don't know what the exact strategies would be to mitigate these issues

[proud totem]

Ah, right the different rates on each platform would 100% cause a problem

Especially since I have 2 cars getting 720ppm, and the other getting 315ppm

[magic island]

you may be able to just specify it to depart once it's done a full load for any of the cars. that may even be the default?

[proud totem]

I think it just has a fully loaded option, and that is for the train as a whole I think

Honestly probably not worth any of the trouble if my throughput remains consistent

[cloud tree]

so when i do the recycled plastic/rubber thing, how do i split off the rubber/plastic that i produce? i assume some use of smart splitter?

since im feeding back the rubber and plastic all the time

[magic island]

easiest way is to use a smart splitter. prioritize sending the product back into the other side of the loop. then you get the overflow as your final net product

[cloud tree]

so normal splitters manifold into the refineries, the last 2 smart into refinery? and smart splitting the output line as overflow product and normal split back to the input line?

or smart split in the beginning of the line ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my bad

i was thinking too complicated

[magic island]

I'm not sure what you mean by "normal splitters manifold into the refineries"

How I usually do it:

• merge all the plastic product, and smart-split it back to the rubber refineries
• merge all the rubber product, and smart-split it back to the plastic refineries

the overflow from each of these splits is my net product

[cloud tree]

yes! thanks

im stooopid

[magic island]

if your refineries are all clocked the same, you can also do a setup where you take one plastic refinery and split it to feed two rubber refineries (and vice-versa)

and just keep doing that until all refineries have their inputs hooked up. then all the leftover outputs are your net product.

[cloud tree]

yeh indeed makes sense, but i just merge them into the line as you said before

i completley brainfarted the part of the smart splitter before feeding the refineries, somehow i wanted it all to pass them and split off after the last refinery??

[pulsar notch]

@amber jacinth so alternate - HOR gets me 4 HOR for every 3 crude, so I turn 225 crude into 300 HOR
then blenders turn that into 600/m fuel.
refineries turn 600/m fuel into 500/m turbo fuel.
but then blenders turn 500/m turbo fuel into 833.33333/min rocket fuel.
Fuel Gens burn 4.16667, so 200 fuel gens (or 100 if you 200% overclock) burn all of that
200 fuel gens are 250MW per, so, huh, now I get 500 GW. but you need a ridiculous number of fuel gens to keep up.

compared to the final output, the costs of the refining, even with some overclocking, are going to be entirely negligible

[amber jacinth]

That would be 50GW, no?

[pulsar notch]

uh, hm, my calculator inserted an extra zero at the last step, so 50 GW, yes, but that's still a ton of power. a GW or whatever all the refineries cost you isn't a big deal.

[amber jacinth]

Yeah, I'm pulling 2550 oil from the crater for a total of 450GW of power

[pulsar notch]

I'm not sure how much my power ceiling is over here in the rocky desert, but I believe just refining into straight fuel, I was burning 480/min crude and netting, uh, 4 GW of power or something like that.

[cloud tree]

because im limited by belt speed, i could just split 10 refineries off in the first place right? so i get rid of 600 plastic/rubber and feed back the rest in a loop with the smart splitter in front? would take a bit longer to start up but for the rest it would work no?

[tidal dock]

looks like mk6 belt doing its job just fine.

[pulsar notch]

meanwhile, I could use about half that and produce over ten times the power for the cost of water, a reasonable amount of coal and sulfur, and nitrogen, which I wasn't using anyhow.

[amber jacinth]

Mine do stutter occasionally when there's some lag, such as when I open my inventory or a similar menu.

[amber jacinth]

The resource requirements for rocket is very reasonable, all things considered

[prisma kraken]

yeah, 900 oil + 600 sulfur + 800 nitrogen + 300 iron for 120gw of power is kind of bonkers cheap

i think they sort of made RF too good

not that i really mind too much, but i think the game looses some charm if you don't end up smacking into your power limit after coal

[ancient halo]

Are there still problems using full 600 pipes?

[magic island]

it can still be iffy depending how you use them, yeah

[prisma kraken]

no, just designs that use them 🙂

[ancient halo]

I guess I split it up then

[magic island]

a given pipe can move 600/min

but the overall network may not find an efficient equilibrium for keeping that 600/min moving where you want it all the time

[ancient halo]

Yeah I'm too stupid to understand that

[amber jacinth]

I've been using many many pipes with 600/min of flow with no issues at all

[cloud tree]

all for me works as long as i split off from the oil extractor..

[ancient halo]

Im trying to transport water for aluminum

[glossy wagon]

Can someone help me with this? the left top rail is its own train going to get nitrogen gas. The bottom left one is the main line that has another train going to get plastic, rubber, fuel.. the main station i want them to go to is the top right one but i don't want both trains on the right track at the same time... how do i set this up

[oblique hollow]

you need to have one giant block all the way to the station

and you need a signal that allows them to enter and leave that block

the current signal on the right is the wrong way around

it only allows trains to go from right to left

[glossy wagon]

how

[oblique hollow]

after this part, dont use any signals for the entire track leading to the station

actually.... remove the signal on the right (my bad)

that should work

[glossy wagon]

I want the trains to stop here while the other one is on the track...

[oblique hollow]

yes. and for that you just remove the one signal on the right (previous image)

after you do that, the entire track leading to the station should be a single block color

[warm blade]

Hi, Is there some satisfactory guru here who got some time time to spare ?
I want to provide accurate feedback but I'm not sure if I'm missing something around coordinate system building snap and nudge. https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/66eef2a6772a987f4a8c6013
If there is anything to add please provide comment to that on QA site - Ty for your time and help in advance.

[unborn ermine]

This is from another person's explanation, too lazy to look up the name rn

[grim walrus]

if i need 15.2 manufactures wats the lowest amount i could go with boosting

[amber jacinth]

By boosting do you mean just shards, or shards and somersloops?

[grim walrus]

just shards

[amber jacinth]

whatever 15.2/2.5 is

[glossy wagon]

just crashed the whole thing

[grim walrus]

kk ty

[cloud tree]

@magic island its running at 100% hehehehehehehe

[grim walrus]

if its 6.08 do i just do 6

[glossy wagon]

looks so cool

[tiny leaf]

No you always go up

[amber jacinth]

You'd need 6.08 at 250% clockspeed, so 6 at 250 and one at (0.08 * 2.5 = 0.2 = 20%)

[grim walrus]

kk

[pulsar notch]

In case it matters, with that many, the power premium for overclocking starts to add up

[vapid gorge]

if you fully overclock any system it only costs another 33% power

[pulsar notch]

Yeah, which usually isn't a big deal, but I thought it worth at least mentioning with manufactories

[ember fractal]

Yah, cuz when overclocking you would need less machines in total

So even though the power requirement of each machine is higher, there's less of them

[pulsar notch]

I understood it as 250% costs 283% power, not 133% power, so it adds up on the big machines

[violet halo]

So it's only marginally less efficient than leaving everything at 100%

[fringe pawn]

Are you counting power as per item or per machine? To produce the same amount of items it's 133% power.

[violet halo]

Or you can place a bunch of the higher power machines, and put them at 33.3% speed.

So they use a quarter power, roughly. I don't remember the exact number.

[vapid gorge]

yeah but it's still a total of 33% more when you look at a system you're processing. Which isn't a huge deal

[ember fractal]

Power is not unlimited, but it's not hard to generate either

Overclocking is almost always the way to go, especially as you approach endgame

[violet halo]

Even just for how many less machines you get to place.

[pulsar notch]

Maybe not particle accelerators, but mostly

[brisk smelt]

slooping particle accelerators is really good for energy efficiency hehe

[vapid gorge]

gotta have a string of PAs running at 20gw!!

[pulsar notch]

That's, what, 2 overclocked and slooped PAs making pasta?

[vapid gorge]

1 OCed Slooped making pasta. At least at the top of hte curve

[ember fractal]

[brittle terrace]

im making 9600 aluminum scrap/min and im debating should i do the pure aluminum ingot recipe or go through doing silica to get more the difference is 6400 ingots vs 4800 ingots/min its been a LONG time sense i have been in the late game and im wondering if its worth all the extra building and logistics to make 8000 silica/min to put towards the aluminum.

[fringe pawn]

I don't know many people that have done default ingot and found it worthwhile.

Using if you're squeezing resources that hard, you'll find other uses for the silica, like silicon circuit board.

[brittle terrace]

i was planing to do defaut but its SOO much quartz

[pulsar notch]

Plastic isn't scarce, but the throughput on silica circuit board is so nice

[brittle terrace]

noted, thanks guys 😄 pure ingot it is

[pulsar notch]

By the time you're making (super)computers, the refinery alt recipe for copper sheets is nice, too

[fierce ruin]

Planning to build a rocket fuel power plant. Since rocket fuel is considered as gas. Question is do gas have sloshing as well?

[brittle terrace]

think all fluids to

[warm wren]

I've set up a plastic-rubber loop on the newest save and did it differently than usual I have all of the products feeding into the recycle and I'm using smart splitters to overflow the actual products I need for the factory, this... should work...?

[brittle terrace]

wym loop? and yes should work, set smart splitter to item needed then over flow into a sink 😄

[warm wren]

I call it a "loop" since the plastic is making rubber and the rubber is naking plastic, and I usually set up the system so that it does "exact amount" to the recycle side and "exact amount" the product side, but this go around I'm sending it all to recycle side and siphoning off the excess for product

[unborn ermine]

Yeah its a loop because its a circle, overflow is product.

[pulsar notch]

I should do that, I have plenty of fuel I'm not using at the moment

[magic island]

yeah, "sloshing" isn't really a simulated liquid behaviour or anything. it just means the pipes are passing a fluid back and forth a bunch, due to patterns in the way the system is filling/emptying in that spot

it happens with gases too. the main difference with gases is that they're unbound by gravity, which can unfortunately mean even more opportunities for them to freely "slosh"

[ember fractal]

Personally I prefer pure alum ingot. There's enough bauxite that even with pure recipe, you still get enough

And the production chain is simpler, and you free up silica for other electronics stuff

[violet halo]

It's simpler, and a lot less machines.

[jagged vortex]

What would you guys say the best recipes for AI limiters, high speed connectors, circuit boards, and computers be?

[vapid gorge]

best is extremely subjective

what aspects do you want in a recipe?

Also - recipes don't exist in vacuums, the 'value' in recipes are highly dependent on location and other recipes you're using

[jagged vortex]

I'd like to end up without decimal items per minute final output. Because right now I don't think I can make high speed connectors with a flat number without 4x the resources. But if I had to choose one main thing to do is to remove the oil from the recipe because it requires 2.5x pumps rn

[vapid gorge]

you know you can clock machines any way you like right? 'round numbers' is a very arbitrary thing

[jagged vortex]

Yeah point made.

[vapid gorge]

in any case you don't need oil for high speed connectors

[jagged vortex]

Kinda running on painkiller brain lol

[vapid gorge]

that's fair

means no oil for HSC

the only CB recipe w/o oil

[jagged vortex]

Well that would help.

Thanks

[vapid gorge]

which means silicon HSC is a bit less of a pain since you're alredy sourcing silica

[jagged vortex]

ooooooo

[ember fractal]

And they're good on quickwire

Uses almost twice less caterium

[vapid gorge]

yeah the down side of silicon HSC is arguably the more annoying sourcing of silica , but saves you 1/2 of cat

and if you go down that route crystal comp is nice

you can make oscilators with the base recipe so it's only iron and crystal

[ember fractal]

That's the comp recipe I use, because it doesn't use those massive manufacturers

You can also sloop it for twice less sloops

[vapid gorge]

you need the manus for hte osci though, and it's a sloooow recipe

[ember fractal]

ik

COs can be a pain, but they make a lot of other things easier

[jagged vortex]

Honestly I'm fine with 1 pump since that's a lot less power.

And a lot less hunting

[vapid gorge]

1 pump?

[jagged vortex]

For the computers

[vapid gorge]

wdym 'pump'?

[jagged vortex]

Oil pump

[vapid gorge]

ah right oil extractor

I mean sure? but why bring in extra resources when you have everything on hand anyway right?

I'm planning something similar using

and

[jagged vortex]

Oh wait you're right I already have copper in the mix so oscilators would work

[vapid gorge]

just a funky recipe chain

[vapid gorge]

with iron wire you only need iron for it though 🙂

so you need
iron
copper
crystal
caterium for all these items

[jagged vortex]

I already need copper for circuit boards and the cables.

[vapid gorge]

oh sure but you could keep all the copper for sheets instead

and/or fused quickwire

[ember fractal]

That's what I'm using.

[pliant current]

i've hit a bit of a snag with my train setup - for the sake of space i've got plastic and rubber going into the same freight car on my train and being sorted at the other end. the problem im having is that there's 230 plastic pm and 45 rubber pm coming through, which means that the rubber inputs get completed starved while the stacks of plastic are being emptied. any suggestions?

im also having similar problems with my steel parts (beams, pipes, encased beams, stators etc.)

[vapid gorge]

do you have a sorter and sink at the delivery point?

[ember fractal]

yes, you'll need smart splitters, and sink the overflow

[pliant current]

the problem is that stuff is getting wasted in the sink

[ember fractal]

or, modify the train to be 2 carts, one for each type of resource

[vapid gorge]

once it gets balanced out it wont

[ember fractal]

well, it doesn't get wasted, you get coupons 🙂

ficsit doesn't waste

[vapid gorge]

are you buffering your platforms btw?

[pliant current]

uh im not sure, what's buffering?

[vapid gorge]

so when trains load/unload they pause moving items
to counter that you would make a buffer

like 1 belt into an ISC, 2 belts from the ISC to the platform

[ember fractal]

put a giant storage container right outside your train station, offload the stuff into the storage first, and then feed your factory from the storage container

[vapid gorge]

and then you do the same on the unload

but in reverse

[pliant current]

im not doing that atm, would it help?

[vapid gorge]

that's part of the solution yes

you basically need to do something similar to that for all trains in every situation

what's your fastest belt and how long is the trip you're doing?

[pliant current]

mk4 and the trip is this

not entirely sure how long that comes out as

[vapid gorge]

oof that's a lot of stops, that'll increase the time

is the plastic and rubber getting loaded on at the same stop?

[pliant current]

yes

[vapid gorge]

is anything else getting loaded into that car?

[pliant current]

nope, just the plastic and rubber

[vapid gorge]

ok so might work alright

do the 1 belt into an ISC to load , 2 belt to platform

[ember fractal]

I usually like to have 1 freight car per product

[vapid gorge]

on deliver you want
2 belt to isc, 1 belt to smart splitter that goes to Plastic buffer, rubber buffer and sink

[pliant current]

so i need a station buffer and storage after its been sorted?

and then just sink all the overflow

[vapid gorge]

yup

[vapid gorge]

and to make it stable quicker, before you start the system that uses plastic and rubber, have the plastic and rubber buffers filled

[pliant current]

yeah would've saved me the headache. i'd have done it if it weren't 11 different items

[vapid gorge]

it'll eventually stabalise and nothing will end up going to sink

[pliant current]

ok great

thanks a bunch :)

[vapid gorge]

at that point consider building up and combining items in different ways. But that all comes down to experience with planning and layouts

[pliant current]

will do lol

this headache isnt worth repeating

[vapid gorge]

you'll get there, and figure out how you like designs.

with the right location, recipes you can make highly local factories

but in general I find that much easier once all tech and recipes are unlocked

[spare jolt]

excuse me???

[vapid gorge]

there's more than enough hdds on the whole map w/o buying them. so you never need to buy those

flow issue most likely. Are you generators looped?

[hybrid star]

its all manifold, for some wacky reason it seems to be resolving itself. I don't even know

I've been messing around with it for like 2 hours

[vapid gorge]

but is it a looped manifold?

if not you could have flow issues

like so

[hybrid star]

I'm aware, that's normally an input into the thing that's using it for me. It was straight up not exiting the machine to go to the input.

anyhow, something clicked while I was typing

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah, but backed up flow at the input can cause it to stutter so fluid can't exit

[glossy wagon]

furthest most freight station is set to load and is loading packaged nitrogen gas. Closest is set to unload and is unloading empty fluid tanks.... 2nd screenshot... furthest most is set to unload and closest one is set to load the empty fluid containers that are being used in the blender... how do i fix this where it uses both train cars... the first and main train is only has 1 train car and this secondary seperate train station has 2

[vapid gorge]

can you explain that more clearly pls?

why does 1 train only have 1 car? you'd need 2

[glossy wagon]

the furthest away train in the first picture is set to load and is loading packaged nitrogen gas. This train line is a secondary train line and is not the main one. It goes to my primary train station at my main base (2nd picture) which the first frieght station is set to load as the main line that goes there as the main line only has 1 freight station.

i thought i had to have two seperate cars, one for load and one for unload.. so my first train station that only loads and unloads at main station and my secondary train station which has stuff loading and offloading but i cannot set it to load/ unload at the same time so i set up a second freight station for offloading

i think i can voice chat and share screen to explain it clearly... its harder to do it in chat

i'm sorry im such a newb at this game, im just trying to learn and get trains down

[vapid gorge]

no that's ok! maybe make an overhead sketch ?

[merry echo]

my fuel factory makes 1200/m oil into 1600/m heavy oil residue (heavy oil alt recipe) and then into 3200 fuel/m (packaged diluted fuel alt recipe), but its constantly failing cuz i don't feel like giving it more bottles (i don't feel like doing the math but also i forgot to include T6 conveyers so subtract 80 fuel from that)

[glossy wagon]

This is the main train station at my main base.. this train station is # 1 and this is where # 2 and # 3 come to offload.. it goes train station, offload frieght station, load train station

This is traing station # 2 and it is only set to load plastic, fuel, rubber, ect... it goes to train station # 1 and offloads at the 1st freight offload station

This is train station # 3 and is a seperate train than the one that goes to # 1 to # 2. It is converting nitrogen gas to packaged nitrogen gas which then gets transported to train station # 1 and put into a blender before getting loaded into the second freight station at train station # 1 before i'm trying to transport it to trainstation # 3. Trainstation # 1 and 2 only have a train, frieght car, then train... train station # 3 has train, freight car, freight car, train.. as i want the train to offload the empty canisters from trainstation # 1 to be reused at trainstation # 3... if that makes sense...

trains are making me retarded for whatever reason and i cannot seam to figure it out.. thanks for the help

@vapid gorge

i think a live stream would help explain it easier it someone is willing to help me that way

[vapid gorge]

yeah this is a little complicated, but an over head diagram could help? don't have the option for a vc atm sorry.

but you may be having issues because you're having multiple trains stop at the same station?

and they aren't properly buffered

at least some of them aren't anyway

[fathom ice]

whats recommended for drones? battery or fuel ?

[vapid gorge]

really whatever is convenient for you

I started with turbo fuel because I had that on hand and siphoned it off my power station

eventually I'll use plutonium rods though

[prisma kraken]

whatever you can make easily and upgrade as you find the opportunity

i'm still using basic fuel for them. it kind of sucks as a fuel source for them, but for the low volumes i'm using now, it is fine

[fathom ice]

whats the main use for drones? since they cant carry that much

[prisma kraken]

they were added to the game primarily to allow you to grab nitrogen from the wells that are in inconvenient spots, they're very good for that, but they're great for low volume stuff like shipping HMF's to be made into FMF's and returning the papa cubes home

[spiral wigeon]

whats the most efficient way to grind remains

[prisma kraken]

sloop the critter bit constructors and the dna capsule one for 4x the sink points

if you're talking about how to build it, i just use a storage crate for dropping them that uses smart splitters to route them into the constructors for each critter bit

[spiral wigeon]

I have that set up but its taking forever to get the base pieces from enemies

[prisma kraken]

oic, you're talking about hunting

[vapid gorge]

they can carry a fair bit, just build more 🙂

[prisma kraken]

for hunting, early on before you have the good weapons and jetpack, good areas to hunt are the eastern canyon and the western gold coast. fair number of baby spitters around those parts - they're easy to kill with the rebar gun's normal ammo

when you've teched up a bit and DO have the jetpack and better ammo, areas like the swamp and titan forest for the spiders and rock-tossing hogs are probably the highest yield places

[spiral wigeon]

what ammo/weapon should I use; the rifle seems rather weak to me

[prisma kraken]

that's cuz it is

it's good for sniping the hatchers, but not really for other creatures. i prefer explosive rebar and just stay in the air above things with the jetpack using LBF

the green spooders are always tricky, but i think ex-rebar is probably the best ammo in the game

well, snowballs are also really dang good at ficsmas

they're essentially nobelisks with a bigger stack size

[spiral wigeon]

whats with the enemies constantly clipping into the terrain

[prisma kraken]

bug, been there since U8 (probably result of the engine upgrade). really annoying.

seems mostly the big hogs that do it though

you can sometimes still kill them when they aggro at you and clip out of the terrain a lil during an attack, things that do AOE i find still do dmg

also, usually their drops end up right on the other side of the wall and you can oft times still grab them. sometimes worth the trouble

[spiral wigeon]

weird

[unborn dome]

Water is honestly the worst part of diluted fuel imo

[vapid gorge]

why? it's easy

[prisma kraken]

ehh, extractors are a pain until you figure out how to snap them to other things for alignment, but still cause real-estate problems 🙂

[pastel obsidian]

The best way to kill spiders is to run them over

[fringe pawn]

I'm fond of sticking nuke nobelisks to them, and watching them detonate them with the dumb way their jump attack hitbox works.

[civic terrace]

I crammed a 48 constructor manifold into a mk2 blueprint

[fathom ice]

how much power is recomended endgame ?

to not upgrade again

[pastel obsidian]

Depends on what you want to do in the end game

[fathom ice]

just to finish the game

nothing crazy

[desert oxide]

For slow (no sloop/shard) endgame 20gw is reasonable with batteries. I would go for at least 40gw to make power not need a further upgrade without going 'megabase' scale, again add batteries

[fathom ice]

im planning on creating this rocket fuel plant for my energy and drone fuel

[vapid gorge]

make nuclear for both and avoid awful piping

and 8 million generators

[fathom ice]

but that would still need a lot of water right ?

[desert oxide]

100gw is certainly more than enough

Nuclear needs... Alot of water sure but also alot more of everything else too at large scale

[plush marten]

why does everyone hate IF ?

i am second guessing if i should setup a IF plant

[fathom ice]

what would you recommend, 100gw with nuclear or 100gw with rocket fuel ?

[plush marten]

RF is gas no need to pump and its pretty easy if u have alts

[fathom ice]

yeah, this is what i was planning

didn't use diluted fuel for more simplicity

[plush marten]

i am currently making 350GW using RF

and its kinda simple

apart for the logistics

[desert oxide]

Rocket fuel is far simpler, especially if you shard the gens. I just finished ~1.4tw of nuclear.. but 100gw is far simpler than this #screenshots message

[plush marten]

i am on my way setting up IF after that will go to nuclear

[modest verge]

IF is barely energy positive. You don't really get much for your investment

[plush marten]

wdym?

[desert oxide]

I am making 600 packages if, exclusively for drone fuel

[plush marten]

i am using turbo for drone

[modest verge]

You spend ridiculous amounts of energy on making the power shards, and get enough to make that back and only slightly more

[fathom ice]

is 240 Rocket fuel enough for drones for the rest of my playthrough ?

[desert oxide]

Use the alt for if and sloop the if converters, makes it quite small

[frosty owl]

Considering each drone takes ~2/min or less... ^^

[plush marten]

ahh okey

[modest verge]

Don't use the alt if you're trying to generate energy...

[magic island]

the way to compare fuels is: look at how much power it costs to fill X generators

by that metric, Ionized is really bad and Rocketfuel steamrolls everything

[plush marten]

i am using a bunch of alts

[wind spade]

Depending on recipes and sloops

[desert oxide]

Alt IF just eats alot of alum

[wind spade]

You can't really generalise it like that

[modest verge]

Dark-Ion Fuel is trash

It consumes more fuel than it produces

It turns 480 RF into 200 IF

[plush marten]

i am planning to use the main recipe for IF production

[modest verge]

It's prob an oversight that will be fixed though

[plush marten]

it has 1:1 ratio

i only issue now is the logistical nightmare , bringing in about 26k coal to GC for IF production :}

[pastel obsidian]

You loose energy when you use dark ion fuel don't you

[desert oxide]

Rocket is definitely a superior generator fuel, never said to use IF for that. But I wanted the maximum drone speed and no radiation, so what option do I have?

[plush marten]

max speed will be provided by IF , if i am not wrong

[desert oxide]

Highly recommend looking at the crude diamonds recipe, the coke one is questionable

[plush marten]

i am making diamond from coal directly in PA

[desert oxide]

Right, that's why I built 600 packaged IF with dark-ion recipe

[modest verge]

The regular IF recipe is fine. You don't lose energy, even if it's sort of weak. It's the alt that's broken atm

[plush marten]

but dealing with radiation is fun

[desert oxide]

It's all self contained in blue crater, only imports empty bottles so worked for my purposes

[modest verge]

Although if you include all the coal and the logistics investment idk, it's hard to quantify. Margins are pretty thin

[desert oxide]

Sinking 12.5/m plutonium rods, so I could have.. but w/e

[plush marten]

dont sink create waste and store em untill your world falls apart

[vast jungle]

I never realized how much coal there is near the Gold Coast... now I have to think again about how to do my first Aluminium... sigh

[edgy leaf]

yea I have a tiny horrible Alu setup at that waterfall

[vast jungle]

its closeby to all my other bases, so I am thinking about starting there... but there are the necessary building blocks for all 4 Alu combinations 😉

and two pure (and one normal) Bauxit doesn't look "small scale" (for me ^^)

[edgy leaf]

I use only one bauxite node in that area

and I don't even use it fully iirc

eventually I want to make a long train line to collect all of the bauxite to the same place to process it

[vast jungle]

hmm... compactness vs. efficiency... have to look at the Aluminium Solution diagramms again

[unborn ermine]

I decided to pull the one extra pure node to the east*, 2940 ore.

Edit* I suck with cardinal directon wording
Ive got a bad habit of flipping wording/context for some things.

[edgy leaf]

personally I'm a big fan of electrode sloppy pure

[unborn ermine]

It ended up being sloppy, and 24/min leftover coke. (From one normal node)

[vast jungle]

coke might be the easiest option for me, two of the four oil nodes of the West coast are still untapped... then its just the question "all quartz", "some quartz" or "no quartz" 😉

but the (new?) coal is not far away either ^^

[unborn ermine]

Yeah I was debating that too... stuck with pure for now, good option for the newer quartz solution chain.

[sweet blade]

How many different items does your biggest factory make? (Asked to everyone)

I just made a design that does like 25 different items.

[vast jungle]

I think the only thing I currently have overbuilt is my 16 Crystal Oscillator/min tower...

do intermediates count?

[sweet blade]

I meant like rods, plates, screws,etc... all in one building

[vast jungle]

I have a MK2 blueprint making 7 different things (iron/copper related)

[sweet blade]

I squeezed it into a 10x10 4 story building

[sweet blade]

Nice

[sweet blade]

Already bluprited. Dope. What's the input?

[vast jungle]

just iron and copper ore

[sweet blade]

How much though? Full belt? 480? 1200?

[vast jungle]

I think it takes a MK3 of each...

[sweet blade]

My build is a 16 input 28 output build.

Inputting 16 different things and getting out 28ish

[vast jungle]

I think my most "headache" BP is stackable and has six different inputs

[sweet blade]

I built it in creative, and slimmed it down

Each column is its own floor, and I combined the last 2 to the right. While dropping the output to the ground floor

Glass elevator in the center moving things down to the storage

[neat bolt]

So, @strong palm and I completeled phase 3. Are there any specific alternates we should get ASAP? Or any other immediate tips?

[sweet blade]

Looks great

I'll hop on and take a screenshot of the skeleton, haven't put any walls on mine yet.

[strong palm]

🐍

[neat bolt]

Yea, that snake

[vast jungle]

so you are moving to Aluminium (Tier 7/8)?

[neat bolt]

Jup

We got a very basic alumininiumuninum setup, as well as shitty supercomputers™️

[vast jungle]

It depends a bit which of the Aluminium Alternatives you want to build... there are 8 combinations

[fathom ice]

why are they green ?

[sweet blade]

Click them?

[neat bolt]

it's a bug afaik

[neat bolt]

Which ones are the best? I've also seen someone bring all the bauxite to one place to process, is that worth it?

[swift robin]

it's an option, but far from necessary

you could make aluminum parts from the ingots and fly then around with drones to where they are needed

[vast jungle]

I could have done a bit more with the MK2 space (didn't built too high, but I did not want to put in more products in the bottom)

maybe have to revisit when I get the MK3 designer 😉

[carmine fox]

Hey guys.... I am planning to use plutonium fuel rods for my drones, now I need to produce those... how many uranium fuel rods should I produce for my nuclear reactors? Energy is not really an issue since I already have a rocket fuel plant.

I was thinking perhaps 12/min or 24/min

[vapid gorge]

Figure out how many p rods you want and work backwards

1 rod pm = 250 batteries pm

[carmine fox]

I dunno, I don't know how much the drones actually use and how many I will build later that's why I am hoping for some input from a more experienced player

[ebon girder]

What's your prefered recipe for making ficsite ingots? Or just use all of them?

Thinking aluminium, because less sam used, but dunno how heavy it will be on bauxite

[warm blade]

Hi @oblique hollow, sorry to bother you. I'm playing since EA 7 but i noticed PIpe system looks to me more buggy in 1.0 than before.
Do you see the same ?
I saw doc you created to help people out. You are mentioning "backflow" solutions but it looks like there is nothing working in 1.0 (i never encountered backflow problems in EA - basically system has capacity but flow dissapears).
I tried to provide feedback to QA site
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/670c8ee7ddb9d97e071ff742
and help people out just to discover more and more bugs...
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/6712a726ddb9d97e07203b2a
My general suggestion for game is to rename that system for now as it is too far from liquids (I saw same hints in file created by you).

[fast juniper]

can someone explain to me

why these pipes arent getting water?

if everything else is full

[oblique hollow]

The generators drink water and that makes the fluid level drop

[vapid gorge]

Hard to say since we have no idea how big a drone system you want. 4 p rods per min would do quite a few drones though

[fast juniper]

all the other coal generators are full

wouldnt that fill the pipes?

[oblique hollow]

Its a normal occurence that it drops near the end

[fast juniper]

how do i fix it?

[oblique hollow]

You just wait

[fast juniper]

its ruining my power

[oblique hollow]

How long has this been running

[carmine fox]

That is already quite a good answer, thank you 🙂

[vapid gorge]

What’s the actual issue you’re having? Cause my 1.0 fluid experience has been great

[fast juniper]

the thing is it just started doing this

[fast juniper]

a long time

[oblique hollow]

Oh wait this is all 200% overclock?

[fast juniper]

no

[oblique hollow]

How many are then

[fast juniper]

they have 2 overlock levels

the last two have 1

[oblique hollow]

Last two have 2 from what i saw

You set them to 200%

[fast juniper]

idk

let me check

[oblique hollow]

Either way: your numbers seem off

mk 2 pipes can only do 600/min

A generators at 200% uses 90/min.
At 250% its 112.5/min

[warm blade]

I dint look at pipe system too much before in detail for me it was working I moved on in general. Just playing with friend who got frustated at pipe so i got to "debug" and discovery after discovery it went worse for example post here https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/6712a726ddb9d97e07203b2a with that gizmo which doesnt contain anything in that top buffer will cause last 3-4 buildings to never stabilize because flow goes missing if there starts to be liek 6 in manafold series

[oblique hollow]

Imo the system tries too much to be realistic and is now in an uncanny valley.
It should be sinplified further

[warm blade]

machine tick start to send fluid backward

[oblique hollow]

It seems the devs changed something about how junctions prioritize fluid flow

[warm blade]

whioch it didnt do before

pipe fill doesnt sent flow backwards

[vapid gorge]

It's not clear that they flooded the systems first?

[warm blade]

buffer doesnt too but if you reconnect it does 😄

by reconnect i mean connection pipe

[oblique hollow]

Mk 2 pipes had this issue in U8 too.

Overall the system seems more unpredictable now

A simple name change wouldnt make any of this easier

[warm blade]

https://imgur.com/08P8c0E - this abuses the fact headlift subgametick check incerases steadily

it would make less people rage quit

[vapid gorge]

I've seen issues with very long manifolds? like 25+ where loops couldn't handle it over time but other than that ? no issues.

[warm blade]

they would not apply liquid intuition

[oblique hollow]

Thats the wrong move in my opinion

[fast juniper]

8 x 90

[vapid gorge]

sometimes if you have flow issues putting a pump at the start of manifold helps directionality, usually this is because of pipe shenanigans in the layout though

I wouldn't use a buffer

[oblique hollow]

thats 720/min

[fast juniper]

yea

[warm blade]

screenshot I send gets worse with pump closeby

[oblique hollow]

Mk 1 or mk 2 pump?

[vapid gorge]

again, I'd have to see the the full layout.

[warm blade]

havent seen difference as it is not blocking backflow it is able to be dispersed only to those loong vertical pipes from 1200 junction

[oblique hollow]

Mk 2 pipes generally prefer higher head lift which they shouldnt. Head lift shouldnt lead to more flow stability.
Thats IRL intuition and that should not have any place in this system

[warm blade]

pump doesnt block anything unless unpowered

[oblique hollow]

Unpoweres pumps set headlift to 0

Never leave them unpowered

[fast juniper]

mk2

[oblique hollow]

This wasnt meant for you, sorry

[fast juniper]

alr

[oblique hollow]

What you need to do is add a second pipe that goes to the generators near the back

[fast juniper]

uh?

[oblique hollow]

You are bottlenecked by the single mk 2 pipe into which you funnel all the water

You need a second one

[fast juniper]

oh

[oblique hollow]

And connect that one to the opposite end of your generator pipeline manifold

[fast juniper]

alr

[warm blade]

I know that is only time they do anything else besides reset headlift value

[oblique hollow]

Pumps try to output fluid they receive at maximum flow because they are basically small production buildings

So they do try to force liquid

[warm blade]

but once there is no hard reset to 0 they don't do anything to liquid going "opposite direction"

[oblique hollow]

Ive never seen liquid go back through a pump

[warm blade]

want save ?

[oblique hollow]

Backflow pressure waves are not "fluid going backwards"

Its simply an interruption of forward flow

But sure, DM me a save

[warm blade]

or i ahve dedicated i can DM you that and demo it

[oblique hollow]

Im not at home atm

[woeful peak]

Guys
I need help with my megafactory resource feed
How many Iron ore nodes there are in ( and around) Northeast Dune Desert?

As of now I connected 21 + 1/4 of Pure node equivalents, that fraction make me so annoyed

[fast juniper]

like this?

[oblique hollow]

Yes, connect that pipe to the water extractors now

So that extra fluid can go here

[fast juniper]

it fixed it perfectly

[vapid gorge]

look it up on SCIM

[fast juniper]

thank you i can now max my coal generators

finally stable production

[warm blade]

sent thx

[fast juniper]

this bug is funny

[patent blaze]

who needs factories anyway

[warm blade]

@oblique hollow also with that gizmo now is stable in savefile - current flow is mostly what you are saying (fluid has nowhere to go) - if you cut that gizmo + input, flush machine segment and simply connect 600
after like 5-6 you start to see on that input pipe what I mean. ( be careful looking at it for too long - 15 min will cause subgametick "headlift check" to evaporate liquid from input buffers and train station next to it)

[vast jungle]

can it be that the hoverpack range is less than half the range of the Power Towers?

[neat crest]

Is there any real reason to use Leached iron ingot vs Basic Iron Ingot given that they're both 1:2 ore to ingot and limestone is so much more available than sulfur? Plus leached is in the refinery

[oblique hollow]

Leached is speedy, thats all

[neat crest]

For similar reasons, Basic also looks much better than Pure iron ingot...

[oblique hollow]

Pure is water which most people think of as "free" but it isnt

Basic Iron is really neat i'll give it that

But if i want a lot and fast i'll probably use leached.

You could convert Coal to sulfur and then make acid from that

Either way, you save in refineries compared to pure iron ingot

[neat crest]

Don't have conversion yet.

[vast jungle]

Pure recipes mostly cost energy...

[oblique hollow]

And space and of course patience with fluids

[vast jungle]

space (especially vertical space) is VERY cheap

[neat crest]

Pure copper is easy for me now I made the perfect blueprint to just stack stack stack and then connect some pipes and a water tower to take care of actual pumping

[oblique hollow]

Still something to be considered, especially for decoration purposes

The cosmetic choice of recipes is something rarely considered

"Does this fit in your aesthetic for your factory"

[vast jungle]

each of the four towers in the background is one full MK4 belt of Ingots... you can easily see why Copper is more annoying 😉

(with OC/sloops you could get much more density of course)

[west cedar]

Anyone know the max amount of plutonium waste you can process? Seems like there isn’t enough Sam ore to process the amount I’m generating

[weak rose]

so i have a train that stops by 2 stations and loads in aluminum casing and plastic. but it seems the aluminum casing is flooding the plastic at the end factory

how do i fix this issue

[brisk smelt]

-_-

[vapid gorge]

one of the dangers of mixed platforms. If it's completely filling up like this it looks like either

a) you don't have the throughput to pick up all of it
or
b) you're not continously sinking over flow at both ends

[brisk smelt]

segregate items at train stations

[vapid gorge]

or
c) both

[vapid gorge]

do you have buffers at teh train stations?

[weak rose]

no, but i figured since i have 2 unloading stations (one for each item) they would not conflict. at every loading point there is also only one loading platform for the corresponding container

[vapid gorge]

no you essentially always need buffers at both pick up and drop offs

[weak rose]

but as it looks rn, the aluminum is getting loaded into the plastic container somehow

[weak rose]

alr, ill do that and sink the overflow

[vapid gorge]

how much are you trying to move onto each car?

you pretty much gotta restrict yourself to about 1 belt's worth of items per car

[weak rose]

one is only taking 50plastic/min and the other 240/min

[vapid gorge]

what's your highest belt speed?

[weak rose]

mk5

[vapid gorge]

do you know roughly how long the round trip is?

[weak rose]

ehhh not really, its all in the same biome

ok yeah, i think the issue was the unloading part without having a sink for the overflow

[vapid gorge]

well you probalby have enough throughput. make sure at the delivery point, after the buffer, you have a smart splitter that splits the 2 parts and has an overflow to a sink

and buffers for each of the two individual parts after the splitter

[weak rose]

thanks! first time working with trains lol

[vapid gorge]

no stress 🙂 usually you'll have a much simpler time with things keeping platforms to single items or having dedicated trains going between two points, but what you're doing is possible

[weak rose]

yeah! works perfectly now, the cargos arent conflicting either

[vapid gorge]

great 😄

[weak rose]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=oAWwSgX8z3ywaXvHNM6u tryina make this funny electronics factory

[brisk smelt]

oh boi only 1 sc?

gotta ramp fhat up :D

[vapid gorge]

you're using an industrial container, 1 belt in 2 belts into the platform right?

[weak rose]

for what? there is almost no use for them, atleast not needed in large amounts

[weak rose]

for now its just 2 sinks lol, my factory is faaaaar from done

but yeah i know how to make a buffer

only things that need super computers in a production line and one of them needs 3/min so ill make them localy and hook the current one up to the space elevator parts

[cloud tree]

im sure loading the save makes fluids go coucou, ive just finished the recycled plastic/rubber plant and everything was filled up. i reloaded the file this morning and most of the water was out of the machines while when i saved it everything was 50/50

[autumn relic]

if im picking ingots up via train (iron, copper, steel) and unloading them at a factory, would it be best to use one freight station and three empty platforms per item to load? carry all three on one train?

or is it best to have three seperate unloading stations, four freight platforms each?

if that question even makes any sense

[ember fractal]

One freight platform per ingot

And your train will have one freight car per platform

[neat crest]

That's not what he's asking I don't think

[ember fractal]

I'm not sure what the question is

[neat crest]

He's asking if it should be one engine with 3 cars & a station with 3 platforms all together

Or 3 trains with 1 car, and 3 separate stations

[ember fractal]

I guess can be done either way. Personally, I'd go with 1 train engine attached to 3 carts, going to one station

Unless you don't need the ingots all in one place.

If you need them in separate factories that are spread out, you could do 3 separate trains

[autumn relic]

yeah im not a smart man im sorry

[eager needle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1gclv4z/can_anyone_with_a_brain_tell_me_why_that_shit/
please if you have 3 minutes, I am going insane right now.

[autumn relic]

more like 3 stations, with three cars each, unloading

that seems excessive

but i already set up my ingot loading stations to load four cars

i think i played myself

[ember fractal]

It depends how many ingots you're loading per minute

[neat crest]

How many ppm are we talking?

[ember fractal]

Trains can carry quite a lot per trip. I think each cart can hold like 24 stacks of item

[autumn relic]

i havent set up any factories to unload yet, but ive set up loading. theyre all doing 400+ ingots per min

[ember fractal]

If it's 400 ingots per min, you're good to just load them onto 1 cart

[autumn relic]

so my ingot loading should probably just be one car, three empty platforms, yeah?

[ember fractal]

Assuming you have the mk4 belt that can load and unload at that rate

[autumn relic]

and have one train carry a car of each

yes i have mk4

[ember fractal]

E-C-C-C

that's your trian
Engine-cart-cart-cart

[autumn relic]

yes

[ember fractal]

S-P-P-P

Station, platform, platform, platform

[autumn relic]

so engine-iron-copper-steel is best?

[ember fractal]

Yes

[autumn relic]

thank you

im not really sure what a trains throughput is yet

[ember fractal]

It will tell you after a few trips

[autumn relic]

now i have to fix all my ingot loading stations, because theyre all set up for 3 cars

thanks again my friends

[ember fractal]

Np

[autumn relic]

realistically, ill probably only ever need like one car of anything?

[autumn relic]

is one engine-4 cars too much for inclines?

[fringe seal]

people who have messed with The Loop: does it have to be perfectly level?

[vast jungle]

who thought it was a good idea to do a cave full of radioactive nuggets below a Bauxite node???

[ember fractal]

It's perfect

Most people recommend 1 engine per 4 carts for inclines

[brisk smelt]

that is maximum

[autumn relic]

thank you!

[worn heath]

Just entered phase 4 and haven't even touched trains. I haven't really found a need just yet, is that a mistake?

[quiet breach]

I don’t think a mistake but might be something you start working on as these bigger builds require a lot of items you’re probably already making

Trains have been super helpful for me in that area. Vs belting super long distances constantly

[tidal dock]

imo, you definitely can move everything on belt. Train is just another fun aspect of the game and aesthetic pleasing to ride train through cannyon, woods in winding road, etc.

[worn heath]

Gotcha. My longest belts just aren't that long yet. I guess I'll wait for recipes which requires some serious belting and just start on trains then

[spare jolt]

did you guys also have a moment when you make all the calculations, find perfect ratios, build the entire factory for hours, only to realize the amount of input raw resources is wrong and can't be solved by slooping?

just happened to me when I realized my max available sulfur is 1080 and not 1180

[tidal dock]

it happens when you try to maximize usage of your resources.

[spare jolt]

uhhh, you guys don't do that?

[worn heath]

Within reason, but certainly not absolute.

[spare jolt]

[quiet breach]

I’m definitely going to be shit up a creek when mk 6 belts and some of my builds are only pulling 780 off of it 😂

Also, do I understand correctly gas pipes do not need a lift? Is there anything funky about them in that sense? So far seem to be acting fine at decent heights

I kinda feel like they don’t like traveling down, like a pump pushing down may be needed

[spare jolt]

they don't, and they simply try to distribute the content equally over the entire network

[tidal dock]

to find out you need 2 of MK6 belt to handle 32 Refineries that process 1 single OCed Pure Iron node

[brisk smelt]

the pressure at any point in a closed system is equal

physics!

[quiet breach]

Should be good then. I just have noticed when going up, full rate seems to be faster than down, but maybe as it’s “later” down the line

I’m powering 115.16 fuel generators @250% and then also making 60 packaged RF/min. primarily for drones (for now)

Man has it taken awhile to stabilize, getting close to the end, but moving slow slow to fill up now 😂

[twilit orbit]

first time dipping into here, hey all. So for cool points I'm building a Basic Iron ingot factory in Grasslands. Ineficent, I know, not the point. It will make 2400 ingots of Iron...and I don't know what to do with them lol. Kinda thinking HMF?

[velvet venture]

There should be a minimize buildings/inputs sources/input quantity option in Satisfactory Tools site. (Currently i guess it follows minimize input quantity)

Say I want a simpler build, I could just hit 'minimize input sources' if im in the desert or 'minimize buildings' if I am going for an aesthetic/cramped build.

This is build for 5 SPOs per min (CO and Alu sheet as extra inputs)

[prisma kraken]

you also need a butt ton of iron for t9 stuff

[velvet venture]

This is the same exact build after forcing it to follow Oil based diamonds recipe

Like wtf?? For people who are new or just dont remember, this is gonna be a huge pain

[twilit orbit]

I gotta a loong way to go to get there first

[prisma kraken]

well, i can say there's plenty you can do with extra iron ingots

if you honestly just want to make them into plates, they'll find a use, but making trigons with it all isn't a bad option either

singularity cells eat tons of iron plate & concrete

[quiet breach]

Running into something a little bizarre… I have two 600 lines (1200) of RF going into 115.163148 @ 250% and a line of 150 going into packager using 120.

So I noticed the system was running a little dry I connected the 150 line to the main line at the end. Then I noticed the blenders getting back up, so I then made the 16% gen to 250%, and have since added 5 more @ 250%. Blenders are still semi backing up.

Running numbers on that 10.42 x 5 =52.1… plus whatever it would take to go from 16% to 250% on that one generator…. How is the system running fine and still backing up with now exceeding the amount of RF I’m producing?

*** the 150 line is still going to packager using 120** for clarification

I should have a 30 ish deficit of RF as my calcs currently result in 1,380.82 RF needed for what I’m running

[amber umbra]

Generally any large gas build takes a while to show changes of state. I usually give them like 30-90 minutes to robustly stabilize.

[quiet breach]

Ok I’ll let it stabilize for awhile and hopefully show a deficit and then can delete a few generators (3) ish to rebalance

[stable stirrup]

Hi there,
I was wondering if there's a tool that can show me how to do this? I made such a connection a long time ago and I'd love to be able to recreate it if possible.

[quiet breach]

You mean showing the hook ups broken down? I just did mine and just did groups of 5/10 overclocked. 2:1 ratio comes in handy

Just had to hand feed them to get them rolling which takes a bit - luckily i was making each elsewhere

[proud totem]

Is there a way in the train settings to make a station stop short if there are no items to unload, but still perform the unload if there are items to unload?

[quiet breach]

On the trains route you can change and and / or and the time. Can mess with that and see if you can get what you want

It will unload and then you say select or instead of and

[proud totem]

By default it is set to unload OR wait 15 seconds. Which I feel like that is weird to me, since to me that sounds like it would always leave after 15 seconds. But maybe it gives preference to unloading, and then if there is no unloading, it then waits 15 seconds

Yep, looks like that is the case

Now I wish I could skip the station all together if we have no items, but oh well

[deft lichen]

are you asking about the red circle or the whole plan

[grim walrus]

is it normal for somethin to take 5 minutes to caculate xd

i need 44 miners :/

[prisma kraken]

break it into chunks of 150 oil->200 hor->400 fuel + 50 plastic. For making 450 rubber, use 4 refineries set to 222.2222% and 2 refineries for plastic set to 222.22222% feed the residual rubber from resin into the rubber output manifold and have it feed the plastic refineries first before overflowing out the manifold. pass the plastic back to feed the 4 recycled rubber refineries

for making plastic, the setup is similar, but the clock rates aren't something i recall, but i know you need 4 on plastic & 2 on rubber

ooops edit: 150 oil->200 hor->400 fuel + 50 rubber

[deft lichen]

use https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[ebon girder]

What is this?

[deft lichen]

it represents the group of nodes around it

[ebon girder]

ah ok

and temp purity is a placeholder that never got filled I guess

[grim walrus]

how much can this make a minute

[spare jolt]

450

[ember fractal]

A lot lol

[spare jolt]

Purity of each well oil node is half of the actual node

[ember fractal]

You gotta 250% OC it

[desert oxide]

Yeah, that is the worst oil well on the map, only makes 450 at 250%

[spare jolt]

Still 450, because 250% of one gives 75

[grim walrus]

i need 1k a minute xd