math-and-meta

[primal flicker]

Aggregate "it's useable AND I like it" results

[wind spade]

usefulness depends purely on preferences of a given player

[primal flicker]

I acknowledge that iron wire is useful, but I do not want to use it. 🤷

[wind spade]

"X recipe is useful" just isn't true for any recipe

"X recipe is useful for Y" may be

[primal flicker]

"X is always useful" is definitely untrue

[wind spade]

my point is that unless you define your preferences and goals, other people can't help you. And because nobody knows full scale of your preferences and goals, making your own choices regarding recipes is way better than waiting for other people to "vote" on your recipes

[little elk]

Someone asking for decisions help without providing more info would benefit from advice tailored to new players. And if there are multiple interesting options for new players, then that might be valuable feedback as well

[wind spade]

that's why I linked the message for exactly that... twice

[little elk]

Didn't mean to say that you were doing something wrong.

[north monolith]

In a very large setup I've got the option to go ugly with junctions and mergers or pretty but using twice as much. I prefer going pretty; what kind of reduction of throughoutput I can expect doubling the amount of junctions and mergers? Do we have percentages for that?

[wind spade]

what do you mean? splitters and mergers do not reduce throughput

[north monolith]

They don't? That's good to hear. Everywhere I went I saw advice to minimise the amount of junctions and mergers. Is there another reason to avoid that if not throughput reduction?

[wind spade]

well, "junctions" are for pipes - there yeah, you should minimise amount of them

but if you mean "splitters" (for belts), then no

[river night]

there was a bug where any belt connections could impact throughput on mk5s, but that was fixed in .. u7? u8?

[wind spade]

well it was belt to belt (and for any belt mk), so "minimise amount of splitters" wouldn't be relevant for that 🤷‍♂️
but yeah that's (almost) fixed. I think there are still some offsets by some testing in U8, but they won't really be visible in your factory unless monitoring it for hundreds of hours (which can also be just general imprecision of floating numbers)

[north monolith]

I asked about junctions and mergers, not splitters

[wind spade]

why those two specifically?

[north monolith]

because I am using them in my setup in large amounts

[wind spade]

well I meant it as "they don't have anything in common"

mergers and splitters have a lot in common, so there it would make sense 🤷‍♂️ but I'm just confused by you excluding splitters from the question

[north monolith]

I am not looking for common points, just asking about reducing the amount of two specific items

[wind spade]

only thing I can think of regarding "throughput reduction" is if you merge a lot of material or fluid in a single belt/pipe - those have max throughput ratings, so if you go over max belt or pipe limit, then you obviously won't transport enough material/fluid

in general just make manifolds (and if they are pipe manifolds, loop them) and everything will work fine 🤷‍♂️ (unless you go over pipe/belt limit)

[north monolith]

So there is no reason to reduce the amount of junctions and mergers?

[wind spade]

no

[north monolith]

Thank you

[wind spade]

well for junctions yes - keep pipe networks simple

but for mergers (and splitters), there's no reason to do so

but as I said, standard manifold with a loop works fine for pipes

[north monolith]

Keep the pipe network simple - why? Unpredictability that rises with the amount of connections?

[wind spade]

pipes work differently than belts and many people try to connect everything together and fluids just don't behave then

it's just one of a few generic rules for working with pipes. It's not a "you must" rule, but it's "recommended", and you usually end up with less or no fluid issues

[north monolith]

Yes, it's basically manifolds, just with the option to connect every two machines to the main pipe using either one or two junctions

[wind spade]

you can do either, doesn't matter much really 🤷‍♂️

[north monolith]

Ok, thank you

[north monolith]

Another question - I connect most of my factories overflows to sinks to keep them working, to observe the issues that might arise. And then I just leave them like that to keep the coupons going up. But I started wondering if that makes sense, as I don't really need the coupons anymore, and if it wouldn't be better to save cpu cycles by dismantling the overflows that aren't required after I'm sure everything works as expected. What are your approaches? Do you keep everything working all the time?

[wind spade]

keeping everything working for sink is one of very few goals after you've unlocked everything (making more sink points per minute) that you can set for yourself 🤷‍♂️

I personally don't feel the need to save CPU cycles, but if your game is lagging a lot, you could probably optimise a bit which factories are running and which aren't (though I'd say that just clocking everything saves more CPU due to less machines needed 🤷‍♂️ )

[vapid gorge]

depends on your goal really - are you just going up the tiers? if so I think you need something like 350 coupons to buy everything in the shop and some shiny statues are even more.
If you are just going up the tiers I often let factories back up so I don't have to build as big a power station.

any final goal I work towards though will have all end products sunk to have continuous factories though

[median heath]

Do you keep everything working all the time?

Yes. There is no reason anything should ever stop working.

[kind cairn]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/blueprints/index/details/id/4883/name/AWESOME-R+Sink
new blueprint!
do you ever want to have only the bare minimum sinks turned on at once? this thing will send all items from multiple belts running at different capacities/speeds into the least amount of sinks needed!

basically a sink with a built in belt compressor configured "backwards"

[wind spade]

if power is part of your decision making ...
😄

[primal flicker]

What are some best use-cases for some unpopular recipes?
Heavy flex frames seems to be for when coal is far away and local limestone is limited, but oil and iron are both abundant.
rn I am curious about coated cable. I can't figure when it would be worth using over insulated.

[oblique hollow]

Coated is decently good and compact

We went through an entire table of cable recipe combos once

Quickwire cable turned out to be king

[magic island]

heavy flexible frames are one of only a few screw-based recipes that make perfectly clean numbers with steel screws. this is not an especially TANGIBLE upside, but eh

(could use a rebalance imo)

[wind spade]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/14pQwDTsijRlK9W3grgUrAbpiASJxQDBalTuICEZol_E/edit#gid=0

[median heath]

Quickwire basically tied Insulated iirc.

They were both top. At least that was my takeaway.

[magic island]

the drawback with coated is mostly logistical. it's not necessarily convenient to set up HOR production just for some cable unless you're integrating it into a larger plan with other oil products too

[wind spade]

HOR is sometimes a byproduct if you don't have diluted

[oblique hollow]

thanks for that, though i found it a bit earlier xd

[wind spade]

it was burried deep in the thread 😦

[oblique hollow]

yup

Summary was that coated cable is the most compact

While it is pretty midline when it comes to efficency

Caterium Wire was ranked the worst wire recipe for cable im that rehatd, funny enough

[chilly fern]

given how much more sparse caternium is than copper, that one never spoke to me

[oblique hollow]

It is overshadowed by fused wire and fused quickwire

[wind spade]

you rarely run out of either

[median heath]

Caterium Wire is the Steel Screw of Wire, so yeah.

Same way Steel Rod + Base Screw is "better", but most people take the L and use Steel Screw.

[wind spade]

I'd say most people live in U2 and evade screws for some reason

[oblique hollow]

Doesnt steel screw still have higher efficiency than base screw? or cast screw?

[wind spade]

||what are you doing step screw||

[oblique hollow]

ignoring steel rod

[wind spade]

that depends on other recipes obviously 🤷‍♂️

and which efficiency are we talking about? weighted resources?

[median heath]

Probably, but that's still just "Fused and Caterium are both better than Base Wire."

[wind spade]

tools with all alts rank recipes (from best to worst):

• steel rod + base
• cast
• base
• steel screws

[median heath]

Turn off Pure Iron and see what happens?

[wind spade]

then yeah (but also coke steel 😄 )

[oblique hollow]

Eh, we are getting off topic anyway, this was about cables

[oblique hollow]

Unless you wanna go the iron wire or fused wire to default cable route only, all cable alts use oil

Insulated and Quickwire cable have the bonus that they only need rubber, so an easily transported solid.
Coated Cable is really more in-house production

It pairs well with insulated due to HOR commonly being produced along resin or rubber

[median heath]

hashtag math-meta-off-topic

[oblique hollow]

45 Crude for 235 cable is really not bad

from just 120 wire

The one with the neatest numbers would be:
1 Refinery for Poly Resin, 2 for HOR alt

Yields 520 Cable from 90 Crude

more efficient than default rubber recipe by far

[magic island]

yeah, but I'm likely to have spare rubber/plastic available, or spare resin with which to make it. spare HOR doesn't really work to have lying around unless you are coke-ifying it

[oblique hollow]

If you always do the whole recycling bonanza or make fuel for power, sure

then spare HOR doesnt exist

If you are purely out for "cable, fast, now" then its by far not a bad choice

Ita a pretty neat production process and very simple to build.
Plus the efficiency is good.
Not the peak of 10x cable per oil, but still at a neat 5.77x

[magic island]

guess it depends how you build your oil to begin with

I generally make a fuel/rubber/plastic plant, even before I've decided where all the rubber/plastic will go. so for me, HOR is less convenient unless I've factored it in from the start

[oblique hollow]

My oil plants are mostly product focused

[median heath]

I never have Fuel coming from a Plastic/Rubber location.

[oblique hollow]

so i focus on like computers or CBs right away

Fuel happened to be a secondary necessity to do that

The power and production part of the computer factory never interact however

Fuel power came from diluted packaged fuel in an adjacent sister site

Computers were done in the main production plant.

with poly resin as the main recipe of all things

[median heath]

Then again, I have never built a Plastic/Rubber location.
I do locations for the products that need Plastic/Rubber.

So I've only ever made a Fuel location in this context. And I've never had Plastic/Rubber coming from it.

[oblique hollow]

I have no use for the extra resin from the fuel plant as i do not really have any efficiency gain from it

[median heath]

I use it for Fabric for Filters.

[oblique hollow]

I have a single refinery making fabric

into a container

It is full and will stay like that for the next 30 hours

[median heath]

Yeah but then you have to send the byproduct from that Fabric-specific production somewhere.

[oblique hollow]

Overflow resin to sink

[magic island]

the way oil products intertwine and the size refineries are, I would go nuts making bespoke plastic/rubber at each location it's needed

so I just make multiple products + power right on the oil nodes, ship them out, and rely on that supply until i need to expand it

[oblique hollow]

i do not care the slightest about an idling fabric refinery

[median heath]

Resin isn't the byproduct when making Fabric, HOR is.

[oblique hollow]

HOR isnt the byproduct

[quick compass]

hi

[oblique hollow]

resin is

[median heath]

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[oblique hollow]

i make fabric in the fuel plant

[median heath]

🤦‍♂️

That is not how what you said came across.

This is 9999% less confusing if you reply to my statement of Fabric making with "Me too" or "I do that as well"

[oblique hollow]

I forgot about the fabric refinery in the fuel plant because it is that unimportant to me

which is why i didnt mention it when talking about the resin of the fuel plant

[agile pier]

How do I deal with the uranium deposits?

around a crash site?

[median heath]

Come back when you can deal with them.

Just mark the spot on your map.

[agile pier]

Aah, okey ty

[deft lichen]

Uh, usually you can just outheal them with nuts

[median heath]

That one requires like 300 nuts to outheal all of it, so not recommended.

[agile pier]

Its got like 6-7 nodes around the crash site

its above the rocky biome, in the stone arches area

[median heath]

*Deposits

[deft lichen]

No way, it takes 6 seconds to die from max rads. If not nuts, then 3 inhalers and good timing

[median heath]

Is this the one on the northern or southern side of red jungle?
Northern side is fast.

Southern side you have to walk past stuff, taking damage the whole time, then check the pod for power amount, then build required power amount while still taking damage, then go back to pod, then wait through opening animation while still taking damage, then walk out while still taking damage.

[deft lichen]

Ah. I always spoil myself with SCIM

So 0 rad damage while power is being prepared

6 secs is tight but manageable if you cancel the animation

[tropic hawk]

Use a vehicle to scout it out

[primal flicker]

Munch mushrooms

[finite trout]

How many 200% overclocked coal generators can one water pump provide

Generators

[primal flicker]

The 8:3 ratio never changes

[finite trout]

ok

[primal flicker]

8 gens for 3 extractors.

[tropic hawk]

1 gen @ 100% consumes 45 water/min.
1 extractor provides 120/min.

[primal flicker]

If you over/underclock one but not the other, the total % still follows that ratio.

[finite trout]

i have 4 water pumps and 4 coal generators

also, does compact coal improve the amount of power generated?

[tropic hawk]

Kind of

It increases time burned, so the same items/min can feed more

[finite trout]

So more overclocking

[primal flicker]

No
More generators per input

[tropic hawk]

Or just craft more gens....

[primal flicker]

Compacted will power 7 generators with 50/minute

Basic coal does 4 with 60/min

[primal flicker]

The only thing those power shards are doing is to allow you to build fewer generators or water extractors.

It's the same amount of water/coal, and the same MW/coal, no matter what you do.

[finite trout]

Im having a space problem right now

[primal flicker]

There are many creative solutions for that.

[finite trout]

what i wanna do is double the amount of generators , but leave it at 4 water pumps

[primal flicker]

1 extractor at 250% can supply enough generators to burn 100/min coal

That's the critical ratio of concern if you are limited by the number of water extractors.

[finite trout]

Tyvm :D

[primal flicker]

(otoh consider any future coal power to be built near larger bodies of extractable water)

[finite trout]

I literally built my coal power inside of a lake

[primal flicker]

I'm a bit confused on how that limits your water extraction.

[finite trout]

yeah my platform covers the lake

[primal flicker]

Since you can literally cover a lake with extractors and then build the coal generators above them.

[finite trout]

dont ask why, its a design decision

[tropic hawk]

I make Mr central DF plant on north coast. Then if I run out of water, I have different, more important problems

[primal flicker]

Good place for that

[tropic hawk]

Then I can use it to jumpstart my nuclear shenanigans

[median heath]

Sometimes design discussions boil down to "why did you design it that way?"

[true junco]

Something ive said many times in real life. 😆

[ancient plinth]

does having full train of 4 wagons slower than empty trian of 4 wagons?

[median heath]

Depends on how many loco's you attached.

[tropic hawk]

and empty train is faster than a loaded train of the same parameters otherwise, yes.

[ancient plinth]

yes

thank you

[open mango]

Plan for the (my) next factory (more machines >|< less productions )

[idle badger]

Homework complete for 1TW Semi-automated biomass burner power plant @fallow vector

[fallow vector]

you forgot:

• hand-crafted biomass
• hand-crafted solid biofuel
• creature parts
• hand-crafted alien protein
• overflowing alien protein to dna to sink
• overflowing unsupported items to bin
• overflowing unsupported items bin to sink

[idle badger]

This is just for raw power with minimal work from the pioneer. XD

[next pewter]

minimal work? what about gathering all the leaves?

[primal flicker]

[fierce ruin]

End all forests with nobelisks and chainsaws

[next pewter]

they regrow, right?

at least the small plants/leaves do

but fun idea :))

[fierce lion]

Do the biomass burners have belt inputs now? I haven't done the math, but i think manually feeding 33333.33 burners will take longer than for the first one to run out.

[deft lichen]

no

it will not run out if you have no demand

[fierce lion]

1TW of spare power? Neat.

[deft lichen]

congrats on discovering power storages but worse

before them, all generators would scale to demand, so you could just buffer fuel instead

[versed violet]

update 10 spoiler ||they do now, been on vid||

[wind spade]

afaik it won't be update 10, it will be 1.0

[versed violet]

"they are the same picture"

[median heath]

I would back you up on this if you had said Update 9 was the same as 1.0

[proper laurel]

I may have designed a fatal flaw into a massive rail terminal that'll be serving 5 lines to carry all my storage from across the map to a central location.
Right now it has 4 freight platforms and a fifth smaller platform that serves the on-demand ridehail system I use. It has 2 tracks that balloon out, 1 incoming, 1 outgoing.
I didn't think of crush capacity until now.

It can definitely serve 1 train just fine.
But I didn't think to push it to its breaking point with more trains. And if it has 5 other trains waiting to enter with 1 train inside and 3 empty platforms, how can it possibly be high-efficiency?

[vapid gorge]

yup. multi train stations can be an issue

[proper laurel]

The good thing: all the trains that'll be serving it have the same number of locomotives and cars, all in the same places. And with a robust sorting system in place, what's on the trains will also be a non-issue.
But getting the clear signals for better station loading is going to be challenging.

I've done multi-train stations before, with several lines that all have identical trains. But none of my other stations are dead-ends. They're all part of a closed loop.

If anyone knows Grand Central Terminal in NYC, that's basically what I'm working with.
But of course, with 5 tracks rather than 40.

[versed violet]

nonono, it is a well known fact version 9 never goes to production, like with windows.

[vapid gorge]

I don't think I've come across a situation where I wanted to send such a small % of belt throughput of any particular item

but eh

[tropic hawk]

So my years old prediction that u10 would be 1.0 was right?

[vapid gorge]

@safe geyser yeah not sure why you're splitting merging then splitting again https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553550313533997057/1223069420285329458/image.png?ex=66188329&is=66060e29&hm=eee43f0df00590b0ed62a62d6ea5ee0249e5daac1ee44ed2bdea59dd10bedbab&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1305&height=905

[safe geyser]

right coal schould got to the second elevator of left
and left sulfur got to the second elevator of right
is there a better solution?
without a splitter?

[vapid gorge]

don't merge the sulfur and coal in the first place

it looks like you might have started the sulfur supply first and it's not getting consumed by the process so it's cloggings stuff up. Gonna assume you don't have an overflow to a sink

if you set the middle path to a sink here it'd prob work fine

[safe geyser]

bot i wount build a assemply line into another

the splitter is not the main problem my main problem is to get the 2 ores to the right elevator without using second wall high

[vapid gorge]

"without using second wall high" ?

[safe geyser]

like this but without build 2 assemply lines together

[vapid gorge]

ok but you don't need to merge them to do this. Just have a belt over pass

one belt over another

[safe geyser]

yes wihtout iron ore shcould the only ores wich schould do it

[vapid gorge]

what does it look like up top where it's getting sent? same floor? you could more easily split it there probably.

Also - as mentioned if you set up an over flow to a sink at the red circle it'll probably work as is

or set up sinks at the end of the coal and sulfur up top. Lots of options

[safe geyser]

i dont know?

[vapid gorge]

Then why not a sink at teh circle?

or something like this?

[safe geyser]

i'm a dramaticaly perectionist and symetricaly avid so the courve of your green line got never ever^^
but i can sink it realy

[feral mulch]

why not just run them in 2 layers? then they can pass each other without problems just raise the two lifts of one ingredient 2 notches and call it a day (or lower it or whatever) and whats with the belt going down the center anyways?

[vapid gorge]

I'm not sure what you mean by run them in 2 layers

and their initial solution was to mix the belt and split it isntead of having to run a belt over something else but they didn't have a sink to manage clogs

[feral mulch]

2 layers = one above the other... so they can cross each other instead of mixing (which is an odd solution)

[vapid gorge]

that's what the green and red lines were - but they don't want belts going over each other

[versed violet]

Are railings enough to contain Doggos? I had this dude phase out of his assigned playground three times while I'm here.

[feral mulch]

ah well can just make the sacrilege of clipping them through each other then (I deny ever saying that)

[feral mulch]

even fully encased in walls they sometimes escape... they are sneaky like that

[versed violet]

quantum doggos?

[feral mulch]

they are definetly sneaky... the other mobs does it too... I had trapped a large spitter... lets just say I was quite surprised when it was suddenly standing on the footpath right next to me and not in it's enclosed space where it couldn't spit on me... there might have been some high pitches screaming as I fled the scene

[median heath]

Death is enough to contain them.

[versed violet]

Any idea if there will be further map changes to the grass plains area? I find that cliff has partailly swallowed my belt bus here

[safe geyser]

sink it with 2 meters down and find a way for a 3 layer design with 10 meters

and perfekt round curves

[vapid gorge]

yup, one of the nearly infinite ways to do it 😛

[vapid gorge]

you wouldn't have needed to even clip them

[unborn birch]

I’m currently tier 2 I think I just got the pipelines

idk what to do tho

my factory is very disorganized so should I rebuild it?

[oblique hollow]

if you have pipelines then you are in tier 3

[unborn birch]

it’s currently pretty small with only two supply lines from across the map

[unborn birch]

Oh

[oblique hollow]

coal generators

go set em up

[unborn birch]

is there a place to mine coal

[oblique hollow]

yes

[unborn birch]

since I only found nodes

[oblique hollow]

just scan for it

[unborn birch]

Oh and my special part assembly is very poor

I have a assembler for motors and one for reinforced iron plates

the screws are slowing me down big time

I tried overclocking the machines ( making the screws ) but it’s still bad

[oblique hollow]

if you want to set up coal generators, consider building them near water

then you belt the coal to them

[unborn birch]

Near water?

[oblique hollow]

yes

[unborn birch]

Why water

[oblique hollow]

coal generators need water

[unborn birch]

Ohhh right steam

[oblique hollow]

and long distance piping sucks

[unborn birch]

I’ll just set up a conveyor belt with MK2

[oblique hollow]

yeah

[unborn birch]

and a splitter near the coal grns

[oblique hollow]

a full mk 2 conveyor will supply 8 generators

just be careful with the water requirement

[unborn birch]

The game feels so overwhelming right now

[oblique hollow]

take things slow

[unborn birch]

I can’t wait for coal grns

these biomass burners are way too stressing

[oblique hollow]

you just need rotors and reinforced plates

then you can set up coal generators

[unborn birch]

my production for those suck

[oblique hollow]

its simple once you just bear down and try it

[unborn birch]

screws and more screws are what I need

[oblique hollow]

reinforced plates are just annoying due to screws

[unborn birch]

so are rotors

[oblique hollow]

if you hunt for hard drives, you can unlock recipes that dont need screws

[median heath]

Bolted Plate my beloved.

[unborn birch]

I had the option for bolted or fused quick wire

I was still new so I took fused

😭

[oblique hollow]

it will come in handy later on

[median heath]

You unlock every recipe eventualy anyway 🤷‍♂️

[oblique hollow]

but it isnt that useful at your current stage

[unborn birch]

True

Also later on will I have to traverse the whole map

since I checked it with flight and it’s massive

[oblique hollow]

kinda

[median heath]

7.4 x 8 x 2 km

[oblique hollow]

the goal is to minimize how much you personally have to travel

by automating transport

[median heath]

Your goal.

[oblique hollow]

right, sorry

[unborn birch]

I want monorails

[median heath]

Some of us enjoy traveling and seeing the map.

[unborn birch]

no I agree with mcgalleon

[oblique hollow]

"it is helpful to automate transport as you dont have to spend time travelling as much, if you feel that hinders you"

[unborn birch]

I would rather find new ore and then sit at base building random stuff

or building ladders to the space station

[median heath]

Imagine having a main base...

[unborn birch]

how am I meant to do it then

[median heath]

Outposts.

[unborn birch]

But what about my resources and power

[median heath]

And "meant to" is a strong term.

[median heath]

Outposts.

[oblique hollow]

power: get to coal generators

[unborn birch]

And then branch out with Power lines?

[oblique hollow]

then you no longer have to babysit biomass burners

[median heath]

Oh, is this context Onboarding?

[oblique hollow]

yes

[median heath]

Ah. I didn't have that clarification.

[unborn birch]

Is there like a guide for outposts

[oblique hollow]

They unlocked the milestone but their automation isnt on par yet

[unborn birch]

Yeah im still having to take care of biomass and occasionally my power shards

[oblique hollow]

outposts are really just "factories that are elsewhere"

[median heath]

"Main base" is fine until you hit the tutorial.
That's when outposting is better imo.

[unborn birch]

do I branch the materials from those factories to my main one

[oblique hollow]

you can do that

[median heath]

You can, yes.

[oblique hollow]

you can produce stuff elsewhere and then bring it in

[median heath]

I don't. But that's specific to me.

[wind spade]

there's many ways to do them, one of them (my personal recommendation) is: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[unborn birch]

Yeah I need monorail for that

[oblique hollow]

not really

[unborn birch]

or the train idk

[median heath]

No.

[oblique hollow]

if its 500m, you can just use belts

[wind spade]

you can transport with anything, belts, drones, vehicles, trains

[oblique hollow]

if its more than 500, vehicles exist

[median heath]

You get truck routes in the next phase.

[unborn birch]

Thanks

[oblique hollow]

but in order to do all that you REALLY need to automate those damn rotors and reinforced plates

without them your progress is really hindered

[unborn birch]

screws screws screws

[median heath]

Tbf I don't automate Rotors until after Coal.

[oblique hollow]

eh, semi-crafting them is fine but

[unborn birch]

I have 3 assemblers with one turned off for smart plating

[oblique hollow]

stop making smart plates for now then

[unborn birch]

yeah I did

[oblique hollow]

you dont need them right now

[unborn birch]

it’s just set to rotors and plates

[median heath]

I automate RIPs.
It takes exactly 211 Rotors to go from 0 to Coal Online.
So I just hand make those while the RIPs run for faster production.

[unborn birch]

now im saving up for the coal gens

[oblique hollow]

it takes 3 constructors making screws to feed 2 assemblers making reinforced plates

120/min screws

[unborn birch]

Ohhhh I have 2

[oblique hollow]

just look at the numbers in the recipes

[median heath]

Always read the numbers.

[unborn birch]

And I branched in some of the resources my other iron miner

[oblique hollow]

screws are produced at 40/min

and reinforced plates need 60

40 x 3 = 120
60 x 2 = 120

one full mk 2 belt of screws

[unborn birch]

and 3 constructors of iron

screws

[median heath]

Can also just overclock the Constructor to 150% and then your building ratio is 1:1.

[oblique hollow]

2 constructors making rods

screws need 10/min rods

[unborn birch]

Like 30% of my factory is overlocked to 150% and above

[oblique hollow]

and rods are made at 15/min

which is the next biggest common multiple of 10 and 15?

[unborn birch]

30

[oblique hollow]

yep

[median heath]

Personally wouldn't do it just to do it.
Use shards for specific, defined reasons.

[oblique hollow]

so make 30/min rods

[median heath]

18.5

[unborn birch]

Very math

[oblique hollow]

common multiple

[median heath]

Oh, sorry.
21.8256

[unborn birch]

This guys advice is amazing

[median heath]

[unborn birch]

Will make 21.8256 rods per minutes

[median heath]

[oblique hollow]

43.3333/min for the funsies

[median heath]

Eh, I'm more of a 43.5622222/min guy

[unborn birch]

Okay so two rod constructors and 3 screw

[lusty summit]

Round it up or down, by manually underclocking/overclocking a machine

[oblique hollow]

yep

[unborn birch]

for 2 assemblers

[oblique hollow]

yep

[median heath]

pey

[unborn birch]

how do I split 3 evenly to 2 asssembekrs though

[oblique hollow]

splitter

you merge all onto one belt

[median heath]

Split 1, merge each half with 1 of the other 2.

[lusty summit]

But you would figure out much easier if you just build stuff instead of asking every step

[unborn birch]

Ohhhh

[oblique hollow]

and then use a splitter

[median heath]

Don't need to merge all.

[unborn birch]

so just have 3 screw constructors with 2 rod constructs behind

[oblique hollow]

you can merge all, but dont need to

[unborn birch]

I might rebuild by whole factory just for the screws

since it’ll need a big chunk of space

[lusty summit]

Make a new one, keep your already existing one

[unborn birch]

What about my supply from my iron miners though

[oblique hollow]

once the new one is done then you can dismantle the old factory

[lusty summit]

^

[unborn birch]

Yeah but I live in a spot where its not really big

[oblique hollow]

this is just so the old factory keeps making parts

[unborn birch]

so if I make another part I’ll have to make it lower from my factory

[oblique hollow]

you have foundations and walls and ramps and conveyor lifts

you can build upwards

[lusty summit]

Since Gally is also here, afaik he has a guide even on example on machinery manifolds, but since I'm on mobile im too lazy to find it

Maybe someone can link it

[unborn birch]

Up?

[oblique hollow]

up

did you think this game was only on the ground?

[unborn birch]

Like with conveyor lifts and foundation?

[oblique hollow]

yes

[unborn birch]

oh

[oblique hollow]

you can use walls to build up too

[unborn birch]

I suppose I could try that

[lusty summit]

Lifts and holes are love

[unborn birch]

Context pls

😭😭

[oblique hollow]

10/min reinforced plates

[unborn birch]

Okay so a second floor on my factory

[oblique hollow]

3 constructors for screws, 3 for iron plates
2 constructors for rods

[unborn birch]

Screenshotted for reference

[lusty summit]

Ah, i dont really want to scare you with complex multifloor factories, imho you should start slowly and dont try to bite more than you can chew

And start with horizontal stuff for now

[oblique hollow]

i think they just mean "build this on a floor above the ground"

[unborn birch]

I’ll just make it go vertical

I already have factory ladders unlocked

[lusty summit]

Atleast until you reach a certain point where you have your own style

[oblique hollow]

building on a layer higher up is not that much different

[unborn birch]

save spaces

[oblique hollow]

yeah thats about all

[unborn birch]

And then once I make a second floor I can scrap the old area under

and then use that old area for maybe copper sheets

or caterium

[lusty summit]

Right but can take more time to plan if you want a good loking factory but I guess that's not a problem in this case

[oblique hollow]

if you dont care about looks then its easy to just build

build a big platform above the ground

then trim the unused space once you are done

[unborn birch]

I just want a main factory so that later on I can branch out and have other factories for making quick wire and other stuff

Doesn’t have to be good

anyway I have too much concrete so it won’t cost much to make many power lines for coal

[oblique hollow]

heres all the numbers

[unborn birch]

4 smelters?

[oblique hollow]

yes

[median heath]

Oh we dropping RIP designs?

[oblique hollow]

this one is clock-adjusted, right?

[unborn birch]

What is this for

[oblique hollow]

also reinforced plates

[median heath]

Read the text immediately above it 😉

[unborn birch]

Oh it’s a overclocked version

I don’t know what RIP is

[oblique hollow]

Reinforced
Iron
Plate

[unborn birch]

Ohhh

[median heath]

What have we been talking about for 10 minutes?

[unborn birch]

Reinforced iron plate manufacturing

[median heath]

RIPs.

[unborn birch]

and hiw to do it better

okay then RIP manufacturing

[oblique hollow]

its fine if you dont get acronyms immediately

[median heath]

Assembling.
Manufacturers don't come till the tutorial.

!wikisearch Acronyms

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Acronyms

[unborn birch]

Thats crazy

[lusty summit]

Seriously though, you will make a lot of mistakes and rebuild multiple times until you found out your own style

[median heath]

All knowledge must immediately be present in all players at all times.

[lusty summit]

So don't make a big fuss if you mess up something

[unborn birch]

I don’t know whether or not I mess up stuff

since my factory is just a jumble that works

[lusty summit]

If it works, it works

[median heath]

If you're happy with it, you didn't mess up.

That is literally the sole thing that matters.

[unborn birch]

true

[median heath]

But given your name, I have doubts about your ability to be happy...

🙃

[unborn birch]

very rare to be happy

[lusty summit]

There is always something to improve in a factory

[median heath]

False.

My outposts are never to be touched after completion.
As they were built to exacting specifications that cannot be improved or altered in any positive way.

[oblique hollow]

there is always another factory to build

[unborn birch]

let it die let it die let it shrivel up and die

(the ecosystem)

[oblique hollow]

fair i guess lol

[lusty summit]

Also that

[median heath]

What I sing while shooting lizards with rebar.

[wind spade]

unless you use the "independency" mentioned above, then you don't have to touch factories ever again

[unborn birch]

why can I never pet the lizards

they always run from me even when im holding a berry

[median heath]

You can pet them while they are dead.

[unborn birch]

you monster

[lusty summit]

Since i always build with the idea of satelletite factories, i keep dynamically changing routes etc and slight design changes on my already existing factories but thats due to design/playstyle choice

[median heath]

I didn't code the button. Don't blame me.

[lusty summit]

Well, that's correct, i never touch my power plants after they are fully done

[topaz jetty]

How do I start these refineries?

[topaz jetty]

That is to say , they work perfectly every time?

[lusty summit]

Why wouldn't they

[topaz jetty]

Well no one is perfect

[oblique hollow]

which one? sulfuric acid?

[topaz jetty]

Both

[oblique hollow]

put in some water initially, then disconnect from the source

[topaz jetty]

Okay was just doing math since I was bored

I just calculated out the waste usage manually using the wiki and then used it to plan plutonium production

[heady torrent]

Hi everyone, I haven't played satisfactory since july 2022 and I've just started playing again but my turbofuel setup doesn't seem to be working as effeciently as it was. Has there been a change that I would have missed that could have caused this?

[oblique hollow]

july 2022.... thats update 6

Update 7 changed generator clocking

i dont know if your generators have clock speed adjustments, but now generators clocking is linear

[wind spade]

point is that once something is built (and works), no reason to touch it (or rebuild/remove)

[safe geyser]

is there a website wich makes it easier for me to plan factorys as google sheets

[tulip egret]

Graph paper

[wind spade]

Satisfactory is best planner (dismantling gives full return)

[safe geyser]

nö than the fabrik becomes ugly i have to plan it about hours befor i start to build with claculting and positioniering of structurs
otherwise i cant get this work like i want to

[wind spade]

well you can - the same way you plan it in external tools, you'd plan it in Satisfactory

[safe geyser]

ok with painting the foundation yes but i cannot see from the sky to the howl factory long enough

[wind spade]

you can, you have lookout towers, jetpack and hoverpack

[safe geyser]

jetpakc gets empty before i have the comfortable hight

lockout towers are to small

[wind spade]

then hoverpack 🤷‍♂️ or build foundation up high, or stack towers, or any combination

[sudden sluice]

i love that everything is zero waste, because ive been rebuilding my iron factory 3 times lmao

i cant find a design i like

[safe geyser]

i dont know why but i cant painting it?.. i ask me if gimp or paint can help too

[sudden sluice]

idk what to do like how should i consider how much do i want to produce of certain items if my miners only produce x quantity and my conveyors limit me to 270 items max

[summer flare]

You could try draw.io It's on-line or downloadable.

Search for "satisfactory draw.io templates" to find a Reddit post that has a link to templates that have been made available to use or provide help to do your own thing.

[wind spade]

you shouldn't look at your miners, you should look at how much you want to make and calculate backwards

you can always find more nodes or use only half of a node, that's not a problem

[sudden sluice]

but for example, i want to produce just iron plates, rods, screws and reinforced plates, to have the basic items producing, then also i want to add modular frames, rotors and everything that can be made from iron, but how should i know how much do i want to produce?

[safe geyser]

oh well you are my jackpot 🙂 that is what i search for

[sudden sluice]

like i know what quantity of screws and plates i need for x numbers of reinforced but how should i calculate how many just for example rods i want

if i just want to store them

[wind spade]

there's no answer for that. Just look at what buildings are made out of those resources and estimate how much you're gonna build those buildings

if unsure, just start with some small amount, you can always make another factory to increase production

[oblique hollow]

Rods: one constructor, directly into storage container

[oblique hollow]

As for more advanced products:
start by doing the math for just one assembler at 100% speed producing whatever advanced product you want

Then calculate that all the way back to the raw resources
That gives you the info of how much you need to make this product.
Then you can decide: do you have enough materials to build that? Then build it
Do you have more than enough resources? Double it
Not enough resources? Consider finding more

[sudden sluice]

interesting, ty

[oblique hollow]

This can be done for any product

Pick a target amount and calculate back to the ingredients.
do you have more than enough ingredients available? Then consider scaling it all up.

Not enough ingredients? Maybe find more, or last resort you scale back your plan

[sudden sluice]

ty, i think im going to make bigger my logistical floor, or maybe improve the layout

[heady torrent]

Ah alright thank you.

[icy sun]

Is the turbo heavy fuel alt recipe less efficient for power than the regular turbo fuel recipe?

seems like it's only useful if i have heavy oil residue byproduct without another use

[wind spade]

efficient how? what efficiency are we talking about?

also in general I wouldn't recommend turbofuel at all, but that's your choice

[icy sun]

i think, comparing power per compacted coal. I'm setting up my first oil power plant so i have power to make tier 5/6 factories. building it in the blue crater, since there's sulfur nearby I was gonna max turbofuel and then use the rest of the oil for regular fuel. You think it makes more sense to just use all the oil for regular fuel though?

[wind spade]

diluted fuel alt recipe gives you more than enough power to reach nuclear

combined with alternate HOR recipe

[icy sun]

I didn't wanna deal with the packaging steps, haha. maybe i should consider it again

and just build the thing once

[wind spade]

just make a nice blueprint of 1 packager, 1 unpackager and 1 refinery. Connect it with belts to make a loop, put like 20 canisters in it
save that blueprint and spam it until you have enough 🙂

[icy sun]

cool, i'll give that another look 🙂

[wind spade]

(or if you have blenders, there's diluted fuel alternate that's possible in blenders, with same oil->fuel efficiency)

[icy sun]

no blenders yet. I wanna build factories for delivery parts this time instead of grinding them out by hand, but need more power first

[oblique hollow]

If you use default fuel recipe for normal turbo vs Heavy Oil alt for Heavy Turbo, then Heavy Turbo saves a lot more oil, at the cost of sulfur

[icy sun]

gotcha

[icy sun]

realistically, how much power do i need until nuclear? I can make around 80K MW with diluted fuel in the blue crater, but that seems like a lot

[tulip egret]

it depends

you gonna be making big factories taking up alot of power or just small factories making low per min things

[icy sun]

so far i'm just making low ppm to keep my base stocked up, but i just got to tier 5/6 and unlocked everything. haven't built a computer parts factory or anything yet

the only time high ppm is a priority for me is if it's needed to make the final, low ppm product

536 Fuel Generators sounds like a lot

[tulip egret]

536 fuel gens is a fuck ton

[icy sun]

Yeah. Maybe I just shoot for 20GW. That's 134 and seems realistic. Think that will be enough power for transitioning to late-game?

[oblique hollow]

i made it to nuclear with 60 fuel gens

it really depends on how much you oversize your factories before nuclear

[icy sun]

Cool, ty. Maybe I'll reserve the space to double the 60gen/10GW plan if I need

[median heath]

20GW isn't 134 gens though. 😭

[icy sun]

My math must be off then

[median heath]

133.333333 =/= 134

[wind spade]

literally just depends on how much you build pre-nuclear 🙂

also kMW is not a thing, use GW 🙂

[median heath]

kGTW

[vapid gorge]

what greeny said - put up temp machines to get an idea of how you want it to look

draw io and other tools like that will take much much longer

than just popping things down, getting an idea and making adjustments. This way you get a really good sense of space and where things fit and you'll get to the point of being able to do that sort of thing really fast

[safe geyser]

yes it take more time thats right but with sqaures i can count the meters of 1 foundation and can planing 3 assemplylines or belts on 1 foundation at the same wallheight of 4 meters

if i build me up all these thing s have to be in my head and my brain cant hold all these information at the same time

[wind spade]

you can do the same ingame

[safe geyser]

no one faoundation kan get only 2 collers and the complete foundation coloring

i cannot coloring only 1 meter line of the foundation

[vapid gorge]

that's the same thing you learn to do in game much more quickly. Like this is the sort of thing you'll be able to do manually and fast in game in 20 minutes? maybe? not hours

[vapid gorge]

no but the width of machines and foundations are known quantities

[safe geyser]

for this plan i tokk 1h for placing the machines 5 minutes hte belts has took more 45 minutes i think its a good time

[vapid gorge]

and if you find you need to shift something over and adjust things it's pretty quick

I'm just trying to give you tools so you don't waste hours on things like that - you do you

[wind spade]

you're gonna have to place it ingame anyway

[vapid gorge]

much quicker to make adjustments

[wind spade]

so why not have it already finished when you finish planning

[safe geyser]

i can better plan like this so i know wich foundation gets what its need
the madchines are all blueprints. but the belt i have to plan it i dont want that belts gets up and down or diagonal
if a belt on the ground it never has to leave the ground

if i build wihtout polaning i planing much moe times or after 1-2 days i say no its so ugly and build everthing new

all has to be symetrical

[vapid gorge]

You aren’t reading things that are typed at you - use the game as a planner and put down buildings to see how they go. Anyway I’m done gl

[safe geyser]

i unterstand you but if i placed the building and use belts wihtout planing it long enough with all different recipes on 1 fabrik its gets ugly and not symterically
i have no prblem wiht using planigs with draw.io or google sheets i can do it like this way better

[wind spade]

the same way you plan in draw.io -> place things, see if they fit, move them around; the same way you plan inside the game -> place things, see if they fit, move them around

but it has the added benefit that once you're happy with it, you already have it finished

[icy sun]

I'm feeling a bit overwhelmed by alternative recipes for more complex systems now that I'm midgame (starting to plan a computer parts factory)

Assuming I have all alt recipes unlocked, what's a good way to determine what ones to use?

[wind spade]

basically "whichever you feel like"

practically - look at recipes and see what they do, ask yourself if what they do is something you'd like for given factory (e.g. depending on available nodes, combos with other recipes, etc.)

or the "lazy" way - open online tools (SatisfactoryTools for example, not sure if there's other that can optimise your production lines) and just select all recipes. If you don't like a recipe or raw resource in the final result, disable it and repeat until you're satisfied 🙂 (as SatisfactoryTools optimise for raw resource usage, it will hopefuly be relatively cheap way of making the product you want)

[icy sun]

Gotcha! I'm sure I'll get the hang of it once I start using them more

[vapid gorge]

it gets easier with practice and more important when you're working towards a final goal rather than just building stuff , but yeah tools can help with that and makes calculations much faster https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production

[wind spade]

for more theoretical info:

most recipes just trade something for something else. Usually it's resource efficiency for power efficiency, one resource for another, convenience for cost, etc etc.

And since the only thing you can theoretically run out of are resources (as space is pretty much infinite and you can make more power than you'll ever be able to consume), optimising for resources makes most sense if you're looking for something to follow. However you can as well just optimise for building space or power usage or anything else, if you feel like it.

[icy sun]

That's really helpful

[wind spade]

and finally - there's no wrong way to play, and even though some people say so, there are no recipes that are always good or always bad, so using a recipe just because you like it is a completely valid choice (and in my opinion way better choice than asking others what to do and then blindly following their advice)

(there's so many possible recipe combinations that we most likely didn't yet even cover all of them in our factories, so there may be combinations that are surprisingly good even though nobody tried them yet)

[vapid gorge]

besides trading 1 benefit for another they also will be affected by how you decide you like to build stuff - like some recipes will avoid certain processes or styles of build which you might not like? there's only a few recipes that have trade offs that most people might feel are essentially non existent that they are 'better'

and they may get tweaked on release even if they are lower end recipes

[wind spade]

and even those are usually "better" just because they are looking at them from their point of view (which even if it's similar to majority of players still doesn't represent all players), and when you look at them from some other point of view, they may suddenly not be good enough

[vapid gorge]

wasn't Encased pipe in the end less power space and resources?

[wind spade]

I think with some specific set of recipes maybe 🤔 but just default vs encased with all other defaults still isn't better in every way

iirc it's more power

[vapid gorge]

really? I thought the 1/3 reduction in steel needing to be made for X beams overcame the extra power demands of having a few more machiens making the encased pipes

[vapid gorge]

there's also harder to quantify trade offs like needing more power to be more resource efficient in one location meaning you might not need to import resources from other locations which is a more subjective value to people 😄

[wind spade]

100 beams (oil disabled)

all default: 1055 MW, 114 machines, 1600 iron, 1600 coal, 1500 limestone
encased pipe: 1020 MW, 118 machines, 1050 iron, 1050 coal, 1500 limestone
"best" alts (except encased): 1454 MW, 95 machines, 574 iron, 1066 coal, 750 limestone, 950 water
"best" alts + encased: 1299 MW, 96 machines, 377 iron, 700 coal, 750 limestone 840 water

so yeah I misremembered, but basically it's always slightly more machines. Probably not enough for most people to call it worse, but it's definitely not "better in all parameters" 🙂

[vapid gorge]

oooh that's close though

[safe geyser]

that mooving takes more time as a plan^^

[wind spade]

but you see the final result and can plan in 3D 🤷‍♂️

[vapid gorge]

oooh best alt + encased might still be less machine and space since you need fewer gens 😄

[wind spade]

yeah it's super close, but technically not better in all parameters 😄

if power is a factor in your decision making, ...
😄

[vapid gorge]

😄

still resources and space at the very least xD

[wind spade]

yeah, it's definitely one of the alts that find their use in most factories

unless there's some nice ratio of machines that works with default recipe (I didn't check that)

[safe geyser]

2d plan is clearer to see what can work or what not
i mean in a factory like iron there are extremly much items that i have to handle and all of these only ingame gets ugly and not symetrical

if you dont need symetrie its ok but i need it definetly

[wind spade]

well I guess default concrete fits better in default EIB 🤷‍♂️

[wind spade]

one of the reasons why I separate factories by items... "iron factory" sounds like a pain

[wind spade]

and yeah I'm trying hard to find advantages of default EIB 😄

[vapid gorge]

3d planning 😄 seeing how things fit

[magic island]

with default recipes, 100 Encased Beams require 10670m² of floorspace for machines (not including belts and other logistics), while 100 Encased Pipes require 11430m².

gotta watch that footprint with such a tiny map, y'know

[vapid gorge]

I can't think of any apart from 'you're already making beams and not pipes' but also you can set the constructors to make pipes pretty easily and not break stuff

[wind spade]

well I don't say that it makes the recipe bad, but there's people who say that EIP is "always better" 🤷‍♂️

[safe geyser]

yes make all seperetly can work with ingame planing only but i dont like too many factories

[vapid gorge]

we were also including the floor space for the processes before it - you save space in other spots

[safe geyser]

ähm iu... dont like the space of air between the 1 meter foundation

[wind spade]

well it makes more sense logistics-wise anyway, you build near nodes, instead of moving all materials to single place

[wind spade]

just a nitpick that EIP has some parameters (machine count and maybe space) in which it's slightly worse than EIB (whether or not that matters to the player is up to the player to decide)

[vapid gorge]

temporary while I figured out the spacing. Building in curves and compact is something you gotta plan tightly like this. And that image turns into something like this later

[safe geyser]

thats correct and that is why i use a interaktiv map and show where are the bets coompatible ore places

[wind spade]

yeah, hence why building multiple factories is "better"

[safe geyser]

i'm playing on a server your elevator not work on servers as i know
but the curves are ok but the belt elevators... they holes are inside the wall why? that is not symetrical its ugly

[magic island]

I wonder if there will be Steel Beam/Pipe alts in 1.0. Feels conspicuous that there aren't, and it would obviously shake up this recipe question

steel ingot + silica = ceramic pipe? not sure what would make sense for a beam alt though

[vapid gorge]

lifts should work on servers? I'm not sure what you mean by 'holes are inside the wall why?'

[wind spade]

I don't think we need alts for every item 🤔

[magic island]

most other fundamental construction items have at least one alt, though

[wind spade]

I doubt that's a rule

we just have a lot of alts

[magic island]

not calling it a rule. it just stands out. four ways to make cables and one way to make beams. my phrasing was "I wonder", not "they have to"

[wind spade]

(and given how complex the system already is, I'd be careful with adding a lot more)

[safe geyser]

your assempler has at the output a hole inside the foundation

if the mod an other as i found have the name of it?

[wind spade]

four ways to make cable are just different ways to make insulation 🤷‍♂️
however beams are just simple straightforward item

[safe geyser]

thats your lift? dont works on servers.
linear motion from ficsit.app

[vapid gorge]

oh actual elevators - yeah a few mods, but I don't get the 'holes in walls' thing? unless you mean the elevator again?

[safe geyser]

i mean that

[winter panther]

I'm assuming that's a mod? That looks sick

[vapid gorge]

floor holes? those are for lifts

[vapid gorge]

looks like that after

[safe geyser]

yeah i know but why they inside the wall ?

[vapid gorge]

so you can see the items moving in and out

[vapid gorge]

most of the belts run under the machines

[safe geyser]

uff thats compact great but why the holes inside the wall?

[vapid gorge]

cause being this compact AND on a curve? it's a mess inside the walls 😄

[safe geyser]

if i had this it would drive me crazy day for day

[vapid gorge]

if I wanted it to be not messy i'd have to make it much bigger and no thank you. Everything is alreayd over clocked 200%+

so nice and tidy though 😄

[true junco]

Meanwhile beams IRL... Lmfao.

[median heath]

Steel Beam alt in 1.0 would be a godsend.

[oblique hollow]

beams and pipes alts

[median heath]

Pipes I don't necessarily think need one.

[oblique hollow]

i would like one anyway

not neccessarily for resource efficiency

[median heath]

Because most of the later alts are about using Pipes.
So giving Beams an alt gives the Beam-specific recipes more competitiveness with the Pipe-specific ones.

[oblique hollow]

but for some other trade

[median heath]

The above is me outlining the trade that is given when you add a Beam alt. No Pipe alt required.

[oblique hollow]

i would like one anyway

[median heath]

I will trade you a Pipe alt for bioburners not getting belt inputs.

😛

[oblique hollow]

declined, i can already give myself a pipe alt if it never happens in vanilla

[median heath]

You could already give youself the belted burners too.

[true junco]

It drives me nuts that steel pipes arent used to make pipes... lol

[median heath]

Would honestly make more sense imo if they changed the recipes for mk2 pipes and hypertubes.

[north monolith]

Always made sense to me, as steel pipes seem to be of a very small diameter

[true junco]

Well, my IRL experiance has skewed my perspective on this... I've worked several times with 48" OD steel pipe. Never seen copper pipe that big. 😆

[median heath]

Pipe size doesn't matter.

[north monolith]

Ah, I don't imagine the Sati pipes as the same thing as the irl steel or copper pipes - for me they always looked like a kind of semi-elastic thing, like reinforced garden hose, as they are made out of copper sheets and plastic and can have noodle shapes

[median heath]

If you want them to look elastic, build them in noodle mode 😄

[topaz jetty]

With the pipes, I usually want them to look clean so I just keep pressing R till I get it how I want

Like the horizontal to vertical mode

[median heath]

I tend to use auto more than anything tbh.

[north monolith]

I go with 90 degree bends most of the time, 45 degree only in some cases, something irks me about noodle pipes

[median heath]

45's are my favorite.

[thorn ocean]

Right will work better than Left for pipes, right?

[deft lichen]

Opposite I'd say

[fierce ruin]

they would both work, if output of 3 extractors doesn't exceed pipe flow rate, in this case left one is better. What are the numbers?

[thorn ocean]

I had the left and I had some Trouble, but I also have to say that some of the Pipes forOutput were elevated because of the terrain. With right, and a pump right after all the Inputs are combined, it seems to work fine

[thorn ocean]

240+120+120, with MK.2 Pipes, so that should not be a problem

[fierce ruin]

fine, then choose more visually appealing design as it doesn't really matter in this case

once the system is full both will operate just fine

[thorn ocean]

I think this elevation causes a problem tho with the left approach. At least i believe this was the bottleneck

[fierce ruin]

If there aren't any elevations higher than 10m compared to the starting point, output of your machines, either setup will work even without pumps. Main things to worry about in pipe setups: 1: Enough headlift 2: Pipe performance not exceeded in any flow scenario. 3: Prod. = Cons; If you add pumps you can forget about the first. Having elevations isn't bad, but pipes that are higher won't start filling up unless pipes that are lower are full.

And if for example you have more than 600m3/min combined output, overflow could be avoided by using the setup on the left, let's say each of those three squares outputs 400/min, you have 1200/min total output, and the machines conveniently need to be fed exactly 1200/min, then if you connect outputs sequentially there is an obvious overflow, but if you have 400 coming from one side, 400 from the other, then they can feed the machines while 400 in the middle would satisfy the deficiency

[solid warren]

can someone explain me the math behind this? or why this behave like it does?

i placed a bunch of refineries like this

and they get water from an extractor with a pump, looks like this:

but the last refineries don't get any water

when i place the pump just a tiny bit higher, then it works flawless

why is it like that?

[fierce ruin]

place it lower not higher

extractor isn't even reaching the pump with it's headlift

[solid warren]

then it won't work

it only works when i have the pump right at that position

[fierce ruin]

so it works at 100% efficiency?

[solid warren]

let me place a sink real quick

mh

nope

[fierce ruin]

what if you place it on green instead?

[solid warren]

that's better

ah i think i understand this now

what is the headlift from the pump then?

[fierce ruin]

it says in building menu

mk2 should be 50m and extractor is 10m

[solid warren]

sorry meant the extractor

[fierce ruin]

10 then

[solid warren]

ok so the pipe is above 10m then

[fierce ruin]

so in both setups you've sent pumps didn't get water from extractor because they were too far away

why did it work when you place a pump in that specific position? Ask Ben

[solid warren]

yeah that's why i was wondering

[thorn ocean]

what bugs me is that you can not see on the extractor if headlift is enough on the pipe or not, only on the pump

also it does not suggest you the current best placement for a pump if you don't have one already

[next pewter]

Easy reference: top of circle of pump is 10m.

[sudden sluice]

what do u guys recommend

[tulip egret]

what are you gonna use more

[sand epoch]

The one you keep getting and don't want.. so it's removed from the results

[wind spade]

whatever you want, all recipes have a use

[sudden sluice]

so my factory is going to be like in some place around those ores, because i want to do everything that u can do with quickwire, steel and copper so the cauterium is the only one relatively far, should i do a large belt or tractors?

because i, already going to do roadways so...

[wary tulip]

Not very even ground …
Probably best to route it all to a factory over the water.

[vapid gorge]

belt is prob easiest

pmaybe design it in such a way that the various buildings process stuff initially at the mining location and sprawl the system out so yo udon't have much of a long wiggly belt ?

[sudden sluice]

very good ideas indeed

its going to be a very big factory so yeah, might do like "microservices"

engineering knowledge coming out LMAO

[sudden sluice]

but idc about easy really, my original dilema was if tractors are able to transport such quantities

[median heath]

The limitation is the belts, not the vehicle.

[sudden sluice]

in which way

[median heath]

In all ways?
In any manner of logisitics - Truck Stop, Train Station, Drone Platform -- belts are always the limiting factor.

Because belts are what go in and what come out.

[sudden sluice]

wait but the buffers of the truck and the station are quite big so i guess there isnt going to be like times where there isnt items

yeah i might do trucks

[median heath]

wait but the buffers of the truck and the station are quite big so i guess there isnt going to be like times where there isnt items

You want there to be times where there isn't items.

That means you're actually moving everything.

[versed violet]

you are limited solely with belts throughput. as long as the items dont run out before truck makes full round, it boils down to your belt speed.
if the do run out (at destination) add another tuck

[median heath]

Like if you put 60/min onto a mk3 belt, you will see obvious gaps on that belt.
Those are "times where there isn't items"

Just on a smaller scale.

[sudden sluice]

brain sad

how do i know if trucks are fast enough to have a constant output

[median heath]

You can do laborious math, OR

[sudden sluice]

like if my miners do for example 360 items/min, how do i know if the truck is transporting that

[median heath]

Put 1 truck, see what happens.
If it isn't enough, add another truck to the same route.
Repeat until full throughput achieved.

[sudden sluice]

lol

thanks i guess

[median heath]

Not being funny.

[sudden sluice]

im going to plan the logistics now, ty

[median heath]

That's how I do it. And I'm one of the people who uses trucks more than anyone else.

[sudden sluice]

in which moment are trains better than trucks

[median heath]

None.

They are not better, they are different.

[sudden sluice]

🤔

[median heath]

I can say it again, but the truth remains the same.

They are not better, they are different.

[sudden sluice]

in which way

arent both made to transport items

[median heath]

Yes.

[sudden sluice]

then why are they different if they are used with the same porpose

[versed violet]

same question as to why ride a car vs bicycle

[median heath]

"Move a ball 10 meters."

Throwing and Kicking are different, but they both accomplish the same task.

[vapid gorge]

it boils down to how you like to do things. Like can you move items 300m with a train? sure. Does that method gel with you? I can't tell you

are tendencies to how people like to use different logistic methods? sure

[median heath]

Please keep it objective and don't go off on your anti-trucks rant.
Please 😭

[vapid gorge]

I'm just saying people like different things 😛 and making you paranoid by having typing notifications 😛

[sudden sluice]

so short distances = bike (truck)
large distances = car (train)

[median heath]

If that is your interpretation, sure.

Trucks are fully capable of handling long distances though.

You're also comparing only 2/3, Drones are an option as well.

[sudden sluice]

dont have them so im not counting them

[wary tulip]

I find trucks quite useful. I like logistic hubs that trucks ship in and out of. Trains I use between hubs or for longer distance/ higher volume.

[median heath]

Trucks also have higher throughput.

Lower infrastructure cost.

Lower fuel cost.

And yet they are reviled 🙂

[fierce ruin]

path recording on them suckssss

[median heath]

No.

People just suck at path recording on them.

They do what you tell them.

[fierce ruin]

it's not recording properly at all and the only thing that saves trucks from becoming stuck is that they just tp when they are

driving in straight lines is fine but add some turns and your car cant follow a damn path

[median heath]

I have multiple worlds that disprove that assertion.

[fierce ruin]

also node editing thing is underdeveloped

i have trucks delivering coal and it's working but its super sketchy

[median heath]

If I can chain-bounce trucks off Jump Pads to flawlessly make truck elevators, it's definitely on the side of the recorder.

[fierce ruin]

ok lol but not everybody want flying trucks

and still I'd like to have an option to edit nodes more precisely, if a truck is unable to follow the path 1 to 1, at least you should have an option to fine-tune the nodes so they can make... turns....

there are so many ways for them to stall. again only thing they're good at is a straight line

[thorn trail]

I have a feeling that people usually have difficulty with recording paths when they drive the tractor/truck a bit fast. I think the recording would work much better if driving slow instead.

[fierce ruin]

it's easier to record a cleaner path while not going full speed but still... i could never properly record a path with a u-turn, these cars just can't do u-turns at any speed and end up circling until they get tp'd back to their path.

trucks also deviate from their path by their entire width or even more, especially when driving on a terrain less flat than foundations

in terms of efficiency all this doesn't affect anything as they tp back sooner or later, but paths not being recorded exactly as driven is one of my biggest complaints about the game

[thorn trail]

Well, that's more a visual issue then. The trucks work perfectly fine when you're not looking at them, they adopt "quantum" behavior. 😁

[fierce ruin]

yeah thats what i like to think.. "they are probably just making a show to beef with me, they're sweeties when on their own"

[low finch]

Schroedingers Trucks, their state of behaviour depends on being observed or not.

[vapid gorge]

they are also virtual objects that will right themselves onto their path and deliver properly anyway when they are automated

[median heath]

They work fine.
I doubt much will be changed about them in 1.0

[inner nexus]

Hi guys, I would like some advice

I'm building a full starting iron factory (so plates, screws, rods, reinforced plates, rotors and modular frames)
I have 3 nodes giving 270 ore output each (810 total) on MK3 belts, so how do I balance the ratio for everything, can someone help?

[stuck nacelle]

Made a crude drawing of my factory plan

[topaz jetty]

What do you plan to make?

[median heath]

A less-crude drawing.

[worldly river]

Interesting. So you're looping the outputs of the factories back to the containers, and then the containers act as buffers which insert the items back onto the beginning of the bus? I'd personally call that a main bus design. I haven't actually seen it done this way before. Typically I've seen it done where the "factory complex" blocks insert their completed products back onto the bus at the same longitude where they're built instead of looping it back to the beginning. I see two advantages to your design:
1.) You won't have to run the length of your factory to pick up items from containers at the ends of the lines where they're being made (as typically happens with main bus designs). Instead, they're all delivered back to you at the beginning of the bus.
2.) You can easily modify your factory complexes to use other ingredients from alt-recipes later on since every ingredient ends up running past every factory complex.

That being said, this is gonna take a lot of belts and space to build, though your vertical stacking of the bus will help somewhat. It looks like you have a good plan laid out to me, but I haven't personally finished the game yet. I will say that pipelines are going to really suck with this design since you'll need a lot of pumps to stack them and you'll inevitably have some flow problems that you'll have to patch as you encounter them.

[worldly river]

Somebody shared this document with me for managing pipes yesterday. It brings up some interesting issues which you might want to read about before planning them into this layout (if you haven't already): #design-and-architecture message

[vapid gorge]

you'll have to be more specific - how much of each part do you want to make?

[inner nexus]

thats what im confused myself, how much should i make of each that the I dont have to overclock anything except miners and get even production of all parts

[vapid gorge]

I tend to just make 1 node for each basic part and then mash them together as needed after personally

your neesd will always change though so don't stress about it

[inner nexus]

Like I plan to not change this portion of factory

thats how I'm planning it, that its an all iron product factory making everything in even proportions

[topaz jetty]

On pure maths see if this tickles your fancy https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=GC4jvFbWxJ97PLE7zWls

Everything equal using 810 ore/min

[inner nexus]

yep this works, im just having a hard time trying to figure out how to lay it all out, is there a layout designer tool?

[topaz jetty]

Well yes but the best one is actually the game itself

Just play around and dismantling doesn’t cost anything

[north monolith]

I draw the basic layouts on paper and imagine how I want it to look and connect

[topaz jetty]

In the end the design is up to you

[inner nexus]

okay cool, thanks a ton

[topaz jetty]

No problem

[wind spade]

Why the stacked belts?

[stuck nacelle]

Yoo, tysm for that

[worldly river]

np, it helped me too

[stuck nacelle]

By the way, this plan was heavily inspired(to the point of being a copy with a few tweaks) from the youtuber "Obsidian Time", so credit where credit is due

[wind spade]

Just fyi, youtubers often build big things that look good as content, but aren't really good in terms of how it actually works

[worldly river]

There's a bit more that I don't recall that document covering either. For instance, there was (may still be) a bug where full mk.2 pipes would have ~1% of the contents deleted when transitioning between each pipe segment due to floating point rounding used in the game's calculations. That used to (may still) be an issue with longer pipes. If you're gonna do the pipes the same way as the belts by following this design then I'd definitely opt for maximum segment length just in case.

[wind spade]

A bus is one example which is usually not recommended to build in Satisfactory

[wind spade]

Uh, was it? I'm not aware of that bug

[topaz jetty]

Can someone confirm if that error still is an issue?

[wind spade]

There was a bug that removed 5m3 from fluid inputs, but that was fixed ages ago

[worldly river]

I read about that one too. Apparently there was a hidden buffer between some kinds of segments that was getting deleted when the save game was loaded, which led to some sloshing. I think this one is a different thing.

[wind spade]

Full pipes work fine iirc

[worldly river]

If you just google for "satisfactory mk.2 pipe bug" there are a ton of hits about the other one. Can't confirm if it's still a thing personally, was just reading about it.

[median heath]

It isn't.

[wind spade]

Tons of people think mk2s were bugged when in reality they were just building pipes in a wrong way

[median heath]

Pipes are only buggy on multiplayer or modded environments.

And in those cases, it isn't really the pipe being buggy. It's the environment being buggy.

[worldly river]

I do still have a weird issue with my pipes where I have a manifold going to plastic production. The input flow stays at 600/s for several minutes at a time, and then weirdly dies off. It's coming from a single overclocked extractor on a pure node. The pipeline leading to the input is a single unforking pipe. The first pump is below the extractor, and every pump after that is only using about 80% head lift. The manifold going into the machines is raised 8M above the last pump. The pipe forks and drops down into each machine. I have 20 plastic machines in a row, which should consume exactly 600/s. I'm packaging and sinking all of the outputs using overflow settings on smart splitters. I'm also using all of my plastic (there's a shortage) so there's no output backup. I've also placed a valve after every single input fork in the manifold to prevent any potential backflow. Despite all of this, the last 4-6 refineries (it varies) at the ends of the manifold aren't getting utilized. Even though the input valve shows 600/s for several minutes (long enough to fill all of the pipe segments and machine buffers) there's somehow still not enough oil for those refineries. It's like it's just disappearing somewhere. After reading that plumbing manual and about a dozen posts on the web I still can't figure it out.

What I've learned is that tons of people have similar issues with pipes in this game. People just sort of hand wave it off as "You can't expect full flow from your pipes. You need to underutilize them for it to flow correctly." I'm fine with that, but none of them can explain the exact mechanics which lead to this or the math which you have to follow to find the safe limits to work within. It all just seems a bit off to me.

[wind spade]

did you loop the pipe?

valves and buffers are sources of issues, they do not solve anything, so remove them

you can't expect full flow from pipes
that's false, you can very well expect full flow

[worldly river]

There are no fluid buffers on this pipeline. I was referring to the built-in 50 m^3 fluid buffers in the refineries themselves.

The issue was exactly the same before I added the valves

I'm also not sure why valves would cause problems here. I'm not limiting any flows. Just using them to prevent backflow.

[wind spade]

valves never help, only cause more issues, or do nothing

preventing backflow isn't the way to go, instead you should build in a way where backflow doesn't matter
since any pipe section can still have backflow

hence why I said to loop the pipe - looped pipe doesn't care about backflow, because there's no "back" in loop

build like this (top left is input

[worldly river]

I haven't tried the loop yet. Even if it works though, I want to understand why this isn't working as it is first.

[vapid gorge]

well they don't prevent back flow for one

[worldly river]

if the segments leading to the working machines are full, the machine buffers are full, and the input valve is reading as 600/s, then where is the remaining ~450/s that those machines aren't using going? It can't just escape the pipe and disappear (barring bugs).

[median heath]

It's important to note that the main reason valves are nearly pointless is they do not prevent slosh.

aka back pressure

[worldly river]

Is the Wiki wrong then? "The Valve is a building that attaches to Pipelines. Its primary purpose is to limit the flow rate and prevent backflow."

[vapid gorge]

they prevent back flow at 1 very specific point

that doesn't help the other infinite points along the pipe

[worldly river]

how can the pipe slosh though if there's only one segment between each valve?

[median heath]

It being their intended purpose and it actually doing that are 2 separate statements.

[median heath]

Because the pushback from the slosh is transferred through the valve.

[worldly river]

Hmm, so they don't work then? I guess that's the source of the problem then. I guess that explains why a loop might be necessary.

[median heath]

They work, just not the way people think they do.

[wind spade]

600 fluid comes to first manifold junction
let's say the split is roughly equal, 300 goes to machine, 300 goes further
the 300 that goes to machine fills the machine quickly and after filling rest bounces back to junction, where it splits between going further to manifold and back to input
this makes the input pipe provide less than 600

[wind spade]

prevent backflow from one end of valve to another. Any pipe section can still have backflow

[worldly river]

"Limiting flow in one direction only" - Wait a minute... If I install the valve backwards and set the flow rate to 0, will that prevent backflow (while not affecting forward flow)?

[wind spade]

no

valve is one-way gate with extra possibility to limit flow

[worldly river]

Okay so it seems like valves would be a lot more useful if they could attach directly to junctions. As is stands, there has to be a pipe segment between the valve and the junction, so if the output side of the valve is full that segment is going to take whatever input it gets, bounce it off the valve, and force it back into the junction. If we could attach them directly to junctions then we wouldn't have that pesky segment and flow would simply continue, ignoring the branch with the valve on it if the output side of the valve was full.

[vapid gorge]

@inner nexus do you get what I'm saying from the other channel? it's too busy with the other person atm

[inner nexus]

haha i did cobalt

thank you so much for the help buddy

[vapid gorge]

good so that middle line of ingots you have machines doing both jobs along the line and it'll feed itself properly as long as you clock them 🙂

[wind spade]

pipes still work best when they are full

[inner nexus]

i'll try to clock and get the required ratios

[vapid gorge]

in fact you probably only need to change the clocking of 2 machines to do it

[inner nexus]

I was thinking how about I split third row and make another 4th row, so that I can have 270 + 151.2 and 270 + 118.8 and then send them up?

[vapid gorge]

clocking and selectively merging machines and items is probably your simplest and most powerful tool to control your logistics. Make them your friends

[vapid gorge]

well just like the other solution - you have a set of smelters that are grouped and clocked so you have 151.2 ingots sent down 1 belt

and 118.8 down another. Same thing just done at a different stage of the processing

since everything uses ingots though I probably would do it after but up to you'

[inner nexus]

hmm okay, yeah just cuz this im making an only iron factory and wont be altered once everything is setup. So I think in that case I can do the 4 belt option right?

[vapid gorge]

whatever works for you. I'd do 3 belts of ingots like in the diagram and merger things after but it works otu the same in the end, mostly it'll be for looks and how you like to do it

[inner nexus]

Hmm okay, I'll try that first (i'm not that great with logistics haha so trying the easy way)

[vapid gorge]

It just takes practice 🙂

[vapid gorge]

Something I'm prod of along hte same lines - this unit of 4 machines makes 10.6 modular frames per min 😄

#1214381961599262780 message

steel ingots, steel beams and a bit of plastic get sent down the belt to feed it

[inner nexus]

that looks very compact and calculated

[vapid gorge]

yup! uses 36.6 items per min sent down the belt 😄 1 machine makes screws for bolted plates and bolted frames

this is the sort of fun thing you can do with logistic planning 😄

[inner nexus]

trying to get there haha

i only have like 100 hours on me in satsifactory

[vapid gorge]

just time and practice 🙂 I'm heading off though, gl with stuff!

[inner nexus]

thaniks bud, have a nice one

[worldly river]

So I finally caved and built a loop like this. It looks like it doesn't completely solve the problem. It just halves it. Now both sides on the bottom of the loop are good, but the machines in the middle aren't getting enough fluid. I think it's the same problem of backflow from the machines going up into the junctions and negating some of the input flow.

[median heath]

Reminder Cobalt, you are not permitted to have a nice one until you stop clipping.

[wind spade]

did you prefill the machines as well?

[worldly river]

Lemme try that (turning them all off, waiting for it all to fill up, and then turning it on)

[wind spade]

in general, there's a checklist of things you can try to remove fluid issues, and in like 99% of cases these work:

• loop pipe manifolds
• prefill pipes and machines
• feed from above or from level
• keep pipe networks as simple as possible
• do not use buffers or valves
• use pumps only when going up

[worldly river]

okay that's not going to work since they don't accept input when they're off. Lemme try intentionally backing up the output instead.

[wind spade]

can be done by just underclocking a few machines

[worldly river]

So is the idea with this prefilling that full pipes can't slosh since there's no room to?

[wind spade]

prefilling is so that there's excess fluid so that sloshing doesn't affect machines

[median heath]

The idea of prefilling is the same for both pipes and belts.

When your buildings are full, what you are doing is refilling, instead of trying to keep up with filling them.

[inland rapids]

idk if this is the right channel but need some help, rn im dumping quick wire into awesome sink at max 1700p/min just finished stage 4 is there a faster way to do it

[median heath]

it = ?

[inland rapids]

i have no idea what that means

[median heath]

is there a faster way to do it

it = ?

Because:
I'm sinking an item at 1700/min, is there a faster way to do it

Well, if it = sinking the item, that doesn't make sense. Because if you're making 1700/min, how you possibly sink faster than that number?

So I have no idea what you're asking until the "it" is clarified.
And I know what you're trying to do "faster".

[inland rapids]

or i should rephrase is there a more efficient material to use

[median heath]

For what?

[inland rapids]

i just want faster coupons

[median heath]

You said "stage 4"

Did you mean Tier 3-4 or Phase 4?

[inland rapids]

tier 4 sorry

[worldly agate]

In general, more manufactured materials yield more sink value... Have you considered making anything with the quickwire?

[median heath]

3-4*, You're never in a single tier at a time.

And the best thing to sink for the majority of the progression phase of the game is AILs.

[inland rapids]

alright thank you

sorry i was little confusing this is the farthest ive made it in 1 world

[lunar blade]

anyone have a good network graph for a factory to make components for space elevator phase 3?

[sudden sluice]

ok i got the calculations but idk how to give the ratio that all the coal gens need, because i can have the limit of 600 m3/min because of mk2 pipes but every coal gen needs 113 water/min, i can do 5 but i would have extra water on that pipe and the the other coal gens arent going to get enough, i honestly dont know exactly how pipes work, because if i need 678 water/min for 6 250% coal gens i can make that but how do i know if the pipes can transport them

idk how to explain, i hope someone knows what im talking about

i think the flow rate only matters on the output side of the pipe and not in the network?

idk 😭

[sand epoch]

You can make your own easily enough with Satisfactorytools.com. especially since we don't know what you have available

[sand epoch]

Is there a reason you need to clock your generators?

But regardless, 600-113.. and keep going till you don't have enough for another gen. Then connect the next pipe. Its just an injection manifold with pipes.

Or add a few more gen and group them per mk2 pipe, clocking the final one in each group to match the water left over..

[sudden sluice]

(i want to overclock them because i can basically lol, i want to try it this way, i have the resources), can i send an image and you tell me if it would work?

[lunar blade]

is having a factory produce 1 adaptive control unit per minute a reasonable amount? I want to make a factory that will be reasonable to use for late game as well

[median heath]

It is your save.
You are the one who decides what is reasonable.

[sand epoch]

If you are happy with that rate and how long it will take to feed the elevator... then sure

[lunar blade]

i think imma do Versatile framework 25, Modular engine 5, Adaptive control unit 1 per min

whats the website with the resoures and map?

[median heath]

Imagine automating Project Parts...

[sudden sluice]

So blue pipe is water extractor input, red pipe ends is where each coal gen would be, again, water extractor blue pipe and black pipe coal gen again

is that okay?

[median heath]

Genuine: Why are you still bothering with Coal when you have mk2 pipes?

[sudden sluice]

for the leftovers of the 600 water/min

idk if thats how pipes work

[sand epoch]

That and how does 600+600 fit in a 600 pipe?

[sudden sluice]

yeah that is my question from the start

lol, thats why i was asking how do i take the leftovers of each 600

you know what

im just going to make extra water extractors

[sand epoch]

I did actually answer that already.. but nvm

[sudden sluice]

you said to remove 1 coal gen from each 600

so 5 coal gens per 600 of water made

[sudden sluice]

because people told me to stay on coal until diluted fuel

i just have turbo fuel

unlocked

sometimes is so confusing to ask because then u get conflicting help

[sudden sluice]

Ohhh, so like this, im feeding 5 coal gens, getting the extra from the 600, and then i will feed the last coal gen

[sudden sluice]

I DID THE MATH WRONG IT WAS 44 COAL GENS 😭

[vapid gorge]

maybe go find diluted packaged fuel 😛

[sudden sluice]

yeah im going to do a quick coal and then progress for diluted

@median heath im still at early oil, i think turbofuel is still quite far, is it worth going into normal fuel?

[median heath]

Normal fuel via Residual recipe is really good.

It is not worth getting into Turbofuel imo.

[sudden sluice]

isnt it better to do fuel + polymer recipe?

or why not

[median heath]

Better is subjective.

Residual is good because it gives you a way to deal with the HOR byrpoduct from Plastic/Rubber.

If you have the HOR alt (that allows you to do Oil -> HOR), that + Residual is outright better than Oil -> Fuel.

[sudden sluice]

sorry but what was HOR?

[median heath]

!wikisearch HOR

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=HOR

[sudden sluice]

Did some math, I can make 1560 oil/min = 1040 fuel/min = 13,000 MW/min

[fierce cypress]

1040 with defaults, with alts that becomes 4160

[sudden sluice]

oh yeah I forgot to include HOR

How can I calculate the input/output of an over locked refinery

just multiply by 2.5?

[fierce cypress]

yes

250% = 2.5 times input and output

75% = 0.75x

etc etc

[sudden sluice]

ty

omg overclocking is really power hungry 😭

idk if I really should overclock them

because I mean, I got the shards, but idk if I could even start the system LMAO

maybe start it without overclock and start putting shards

yeah I'll do that, because I can't start the overclocked system just like that

[sudden sluice]

new data, now with good calculations I would make like 17k MW

[vapid gorge]

overclocking only takes up 33% more power for any production plan at 250%, not that much

[safe geyser]

i have a question
in the description i can read mk4 can transfer 480 items per minute
screen 1 has 2 assemply lines
screen 2 has 1 assemply line

is it correct that screen 1 tooks 2 minutes and screen 1 took 1 minute?

[wind spade]

No

[safe geyser]

thats mean 2 assemplylines together merge in time to 1 ok thanks

[amber umbra]

Try re-wording the question as it’s not clear what is being asked.

[wind spade]

most likely whether number of segments affects speed

[primal flicker]

The belt transfers a maximum 480 items per minute at any arbitrary point along the belt. The length of the belt or number of segments is irrelevant. Think of it as a speed of 4 m/s with one part per meter.

[raven nest]

Heya, I got a question:
I've got a limestone pure node with a mark1 miner set up and I'm tryin to optimize it to the best I can. I don't have access to mark2 miners just yet. How do I optimize the production of concrete?

[wind spade]

what are you trying to "optimise" for?

[raven nest]

If I used 2 constructors I'd have a bit of limestone left over that isn't being used

Oh im just trying to get the most out of one limestone node