math-and-meta

[abstract stirrup]

...

wait is there any clipping

[median heath]

Also you say it is working but I see yellow lights.

[abstract stirrup]

OVERFLOW

lol

[median heath]

?

[abstract stirrup]

ehm

too many items, how you say it?

[median heath]

So?

Yellow light = inefficiency to be fixed.

[abstract stirrup]

doesnt it become yellow when it stops producing?

[median heath]

Why would it ever stop producing?

[abstract stirrup]

beacuse my 20/min computers filled the chest?

so no more?

[median heath]

And you didn't have a plan for what happens when the chest fills?

[abstract stirrup]

i have it, trow everything in the sink!

but no coupons needed so its resting

[median heath]

If you're doing that, then it should never stop producing.
Meaning no yellow lights.

[abstract stirrup]

its manual

i activate the sink whenever i want

and its off now

and the chest is full

[median heath]

Oh. This routes back to you playing this game like it is a different game and not like it is Satisfactory.
Got it 👍

[abstract stirrup]

but why?

i'm filling a chest bro

i need a lot of trains and stations

[median heath]

Why does everyone assume I am their bro?

[abstract stirrup]

sorry man

i'm trying not to be bad but maybe my bad english is leading to misunderstandings isnt it?

[fierce ruin]

Nah he's just being needlessly aggressive because you aren't playing your game. The way he thinks you should

[lethal ledge]

^^^

[snow dove]

cause you’re very approachable?

[snow dove]

sev isn’t aggressive, just overly neutral at all times

[cinder silo]

Ooh damn, machines idling, I take it you've just started the production line?

[median heath]

I need to work on that. 😉

[abstract stirrup]

What do you mean?

[cinder silo]

I was pretty clear ... I mean :: Ooh damn, machines idling, I take it you've just started the production line?

[abstract stirrup]

Translator moment

Ok no

[abstract stirrup]

My save is now 150 hours and it’s the only one I ever did. I don’t understand what’s wrong with getting materials for later production, but I guess I’m still a noob and I respect my master’s words

[cinder silo]

At 150 hours my only real suggestion is experiment, a lot.

Don't play for other people, sure grab ideas and suggestions but in the end it is your world.

[abstract stirrup]

And in fact I’m doing it

[elder cypress]

I think the idea behind not building for future needs, is that you'll have better belts and miners when it comes time to use that future need.

[cedar mica]

Building for the future, means you have already planned the space usage. Sure, some machines might not run 100% or at all, but thats fixed once the later tech is used.

[lunar jewel]

This is just for factory builds and using trains, I'm attempting to understand how to set them up to look clean and be efficient but I dont understand how people like kibitz or other creators make everything flow together perfectly. Do they just build from one point on the map and painfully only route from that location or do they do something else that allows the factories to flow together without having to build from one location? I also sort of have a question about the vehicles and other automatic transport systems other than conveyors but I'll hold that for now

[wary tulip]

Most multi site builds utilize input and output balancing. So you have a motor factory, and it needs wire. Your wire factory at another location outputs the needed amount to its station for the train to deliver to the motor factory station. Simple.
It works the same for vehicles as well.

[lunar jewel]

well yeah but the whole base building is confusing for me when you have 2 different factories on different foundations and you have to join them up like butter but I cant figure out how to do that

or atleast make it look like its on the same foundation line

[wary tulip]

Why join them up?

[young coyote]

Oh, if you want to do that (reliably) you need to "snap" the foundations to the world grid. By default, press CTRL when placing a foundation, and it will lock to the X/Y coordinates in single foundation increments. Just be careful to place your first foundation in an area using a 2m or 4m foundation, as they center vertically along the midline of the foundation, so a 1m foundation will be vertically offset by 0.5m.

Snapping foundations to a common grid like this can be aesthetically pleasing, for sure, but don't be afraid to break away from the grid if a particular geographic are looks like it would be more "fun" to build a little more freeform.

[median heath]

Join like butter?

I mean... rails curve so joining them to outposts is incredibly simple.

[lunar jewel]

soooo if I already built things without using the ctrl thing then does that mean I need to rebuild the entire factory so I don't have offset conveyor roads? have a pretty good example that I can send, idk if I'm explaining it right or something, is an early game save though.

[young coyote]

Depending on how much it bothers you, you could always just snap a piece of foundation nearby, get your "output" conveyors snapped onto it in turn, and then aligned with whatever other destination foundations they're bound for.

It's almost entirely an aesthetic issue, so it's up to you.

[median heath]

The only time WG matters is if you plan to have long ass lines of foundations that connect all of your outposts purely on a foundation grid level.

And if you're choosing to do that........

[young coyote]

Ultimately you've likely got a lot of building and rebuilding ahead of you yet, and a looooot of uncovered ground on which to build it. If your current setup bothers you, of course feel free to knock it down and rebuild it however you see fit. But I wouldn't recommend focusing on it too terribly much in the early game. If you're building on foundations at all, you're already ahead of the curve.

[lunar jewel]

Thats sort of how I've been holding off from running 5 miles to get a few stacks of something early on, when vehicles become an option I dont really know how to implement them into the factory cleanly because of how I built it at the time

[young coyote]

Depending on the distances involved, it might be easier to focus on unlocking Blade Runners instead; you can more quickly traverse the ground (and outrun virtually all fauna) until such time as you rebuild or relocate in order to better accommodate (or even need) vehicles.

I've got little sub-factories all over the place, and I just use a combination of Blade Runners, Hypertubes and Zipline (whatever that little guy is called) to get around.

[median heath]

There are natural roads that lead almost everywhere. Truck routes basically are already built for you by the map team.

Train rails curve, as I said. So you can build those pretty much however you want to, but you don't have to have continuous foundations under them. Having a "support" every so often works and looks totally fine.

[young coyote]

Yeah, the "natural road" point is a good one. The entire map is just riddled with bespoke routes that will get you through most areas with relative ease, even if it's not the most direct route. Some paths may become available only after you blast some boulders with Nobelisk explosives or are able to traverse poison gas, but the vast majority of the paths out there are already traveler friendly (just be wary of local wildlife).

[median heath]

Slightly indirect natural road also won't affect throughput at all 🤷‍♂️

You have no need to make everything the absolute shortest path possible.

[young coyote]

Yeah, once a route is set up - whether it's conveyors or trucks or drones - the throughput is the same.

The goal is just to automate it somehow.

Well, and to have fun.

[lunar jewel]

wait how is it the same output regardless?

[deft lichen]

about the support - I place mine on every track joint with segments being 12 foundations long, that makes for 11-foundation gaps between each, and it looks just right

[deft lichen]

the actual throughput is limited by the belts connected to the station, even if the vehicle throughput is higher

[young coyote]

Imagine a bucket brigade from your front yard to your back yard that cuts through your house, and another that wraps aaaaaaaall the way around the neighborhood first.

As long as you're producing 5 buckets/min to pass from the first man to the next, the last one is going to receive 5 buckets/min. It'll take longer to receive the first bucket, but from there the rate is the same.

[median heath]

Throughput is throughput.
Which is a factor over time.
So as long as the amount delivered over time is proportional to the time it takes to deliver, it's irrelevant.

1560/min is going to be 1560/min no matter what the specifics are as long as the math reduces to 1560/min.

[young coyote]

Right. Even the method of transit doesn't matter as long as the capacity is sufficient.

If you're outputting 60 ingots/min and you send them via a 100 mile long conveyor, the container on the other end receives 60 ingots/min.

If you send a truck instead and it takes 10min to make a round trip, it's going to pick up 600 ingots and deliver them every 10min - or, again, 60 ingots/min on average.

[deft lichen]

even the /min values in machines are averages

you can't make "half a fuel rod in a minute", but you can on average

[lunar jewel]

hmm, does it matter what vehicle you use for any situation or is there pros and cons to each? like trains sounds like super distance transport but at that point I dont really get the point of drones or trucks

[young coyote]

Trucks and tractors aren't beholden to a set infrastructure - you can "offroad" with them. But they require fuel and have limited capacity.

Trains require infrastructure but draw power from your grid and have potentially enormous capacity.

[wind spade]

trains = high capacity, harder setup
drones = low capacity, easy setup, hard-reachable places, needs batteries
trucks = medium capacity, easy setup

(low capacity does not necessarily mean bad though, for lategame items you hardly need large capacity)

[young coyote]

Oh, and train rails also conduct power, but you can only tap into them with wires by connecting to a station first.

[lunar jewel]

I'd think the opposite but I havent really toyed around with nuclear stuff or other things that seem like a head ache to make

last thing I've automated was the modular frame that has to do with nitrate, forgot the name

fused modular frames is the last one

[deft lichen]

I'd argue trains are easier to set up than trucks, because tracks can be reused, so extending the railway network only means reaching the nearest existing track

[wind spade]

well by setup I mean from start 🙂

obviously things change if infrastructure exists on at least part of the route

but that's hard to cover in a generic question/answer

[deft lichen]

But I'm also the person to cover my map in tracks and not build a single truck station, so could be biased from my preferences

[cedar mica]

Once you put down a conveyor stack pole, you can reuse that as well. Maybe not as easy as trains, but any structure for transporting that exist, is easier then none.

[prisma kraken]

a set of conveyor belts is much more work than trains

and just less fun

[cedar mica]

That depends on the train network, as there is limits to how many trains can go through one section. Not to mention, travel time on existing network might be longer then making a new one.

[prisma kraken]

properly designed, a large train network can support over 20 trains w/o much congestion

try building that sorta throughput with belts

[cedar mica]

20 trains, is a low amount, for a map wide setup.

[prisma kraken]

there's only about 36 goods you'd possibly want to transport

[cedar mica]

Trains vs Belts, depends on what you want to spend time and space on: The highway or the factory. Trains need more work around the factory, while belts need more work on the highway.

[prisma kraken]

and more resources to build, mind you

ever take a look at the cost of a 50 m section of rail?

[cedar mica]

Build cost is irrelevant. Resources over time is unlimited, its just resources per minute thats limited.

[prisma kraken]

hey, run all the long distance belts you want to, i'll use a train

[cedar mica]

Taking build cost into account, means you never use a refinery over a smelter, regardless of how good the recipe is.

[prisma kraken]

that's a falacious argument

[cedar mica]

If you need 1 belt worth of resources, but use a train to send it, its far more expensive then running the belt. Hence why looking at only build cost, is stupid.

[prisma kraken]

one, while smelters are cheap as dirt, the number you need to create the volume you need exceeds in infrastructure costs the resources you save

on top of that, rail cost is amortized over every line that shares a segment

[cedar mica]

Then it gets downgraded, as each train on the line, delays the next one.

[prisma kraken]

this stuff is all sort of academic until you're building world-spanning factories

and upgraded again when you add new cars to a train

[cedar mica]

Then downgraded again, when you find that you need even more trains or wagons, to keep the per minute up.

[prisma kraken]

i am just really starting my rail expansion, and have 5-6 trains going all the time

the amount of time they wait for each other is marginal

[cedar mica]

Lets face it, trains is the only transport method where you need to take traffic into account. Vehicles dont really count, given how rare they are used.

[prisma kraken]

like it adds about 10 seconds of variance per round trip

you seem to think that a straight section of rail needs to be a single block

[cedar mica]

Multiple blocks, only help, if there is nothing else that slows down the traffic. Like trains merging in or slowing down to get into a station.

[prisma kraken]

well if you design your rails badly, that's on you, lol

[cedar mica]

I say its more a flaw with the train network to begin with. If going through a station is shorter, the trains will use it. Meaning you need to design tracks going to stations, to be longer overall, then going around the factory.

[prisma kraken]

i've not noticed that, my trains bypass the stations on slightly longer paths

[cedar mica]

Might have changed with recent patches, but trains perfer shortest path from my experience.

[prisma kraken]

they will follow shorest path, but my experience is they will take going through a station as longer path

[cedar mica]

Guess I will give it a try on the new bus world. Having the trains deliver to the main bus, might be helpful.

[prisma kraken]

that is what i more or less do

[cedar mica]

Worst case, I still need the foundations for the belt highway.

[prisma kraken]

i really find trains the best way to move volumes of stuff

[cedar mica]

Its more the "get enough throughput", thats the extra stage with trains. Then again, we do have the per minute on the station now...

[prisma kraken]

something i've recently taken to doing after my last save is actually using small train push-pull systems instead of intermediate length belting

in my last save, i did a stanalone U600 build in the swamp, and i was really unhappy with the belt system i had to bring items from the southern swamp oil/caterium/iron/copper to where the reactors, fuel and recycling were being done

i felt that a small train circuit or closed push-pull line would have been a better choice

in that save though, i did not use trains to force myself to give vehicles another try

the result of my experiments with that all was that getting to drone tech didn't happen quick enough

[cedar mica]

North sea foundation length, is about enough for 96x 6 wide factorys. Should cover just about every item in the game, with more then enough room for a wide bus design.

No multi usage factorys, so steel gets iron ingots from another partition.

[prisma kraken]

hey, if that's how you want to do it, have fun

[cedar mica]

Its a combind stress test of the new rig and the game at the same time.

[prisma kraken]

i personally like megabase & bus designs, but think much more vertically

[cedar mica]

Give its 6 wide by 20 long, you need height on quite a few. I expect the iron refinery tower to go past the space elevator.

[prisma kraken]

no idea why you'd need so much iron

i think i'm currently smelting something like 240 ingots across my world, and that may be too many

steel otoh, yeah, i make tons of steel

[cedar mica]

Steel from iron ingots...

Its probably a floor or 2 with refinerys, just for a few machines with Turbo Motors, depending on recipe.

[prisma kraken]

i will end up using solid steel at some point when i need more hmf's but i've got a pretty good supply from compacted steel & coke steel atm

[cedar mica]

Coke steel is good, but Oil has more usage then Coal.

[prisma kraken]

i'm actually finding that coal is one of my main problems atm, between steel & power i'm using a lot of it

almost time to get nuclear going

[undone hull]

that's always depend on the recipes you'll use on your game 🙂

[ember fractal]

Been doing that quite a lot myself

Some people do these giant belt busses for medium range, but I prefer just a single bi-directional train line with a couple carts

[prisma kraken]

i'm liking them for that purpose, of course it does use a fair bit of power

really does clean up the beltstacks though 🙂

[frosty owl]

Each station counts as "extremely long rails"

[abstract stirrup]

People, I have 25k MW energy right now, but I still need to set up Aluminum stuff and 7k is basically always working.
Will I make it to nuclear? Or should I expand my production?

[lone drum]

Go big and find out later

[vapid gorge]

if you just let your factories fill up containers and go to sleep mode after you'll probably be ok.

Also remember you can charge up a bunch of power storage to kick start your nuclear with far more power than what your generators make

I have a 15,000mw power storage system just to reboot my tf station if need be that gets charged off a geothermal

[abstract stirrup]

I have currently 19k MW with storage

[vapid gorge]

enough to boot a modest nuclear statiopn

[abstract stirrup]

But I’m a noob and the whole electric circuit it’s connect everywhere so idk how to turn off a single factory

[vapid gorge]

ah xD well letting your machines fill up seems like a good idea then.

Learn from the experience and set up your nuclear station with dedicated power lines

[abstract stirrup]

Too many trains and station then

I should’ve done way less

I’ll do from now on

[vapid gorge]

well you could do a whole nuclear set up in 1 spot if you really want. make that easier for yourself

[abstract stirrup]

Can u name the basic material to get started with that? I found a uranium pit but I haven’t unlocked nuclear yet

So I can immediately tell if it is actually possible

[vapid gorge]

from uranium to plutonium processing? You need pretty much every resource type

[vapid gorge]

and you can. The East Swamp has everything you need within 400m

[abstract stirrup]

I’m in the top left

Is it top middle?

[vapid gorge]

East middle

[abstract stirrup]

Damn it

I’ll travel

[vapid gorge]

setting up power far away is generally a good idea anyway - use nearby resources for material goods

[vapid gorge]

so you could do this and then make a plan for plutonium rods in the swamp https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=5wQGzaSb7btKMDbSmTXx

[abstract stirrup]

Plutonium?!

Sounds difficult

[vapid gorge]

so nuclear power stations produce uranium waste

[abstract stirrup]

Also with my brain that wants to maximize everything it’s gonna be real pain

[vapid gorge]

your options are either store tons of waste forever with huge storage

or make plutonium rods and sink those

[abstract stirrup]

Oh oh

Well imma chose then

[vapid gorge]

and if you didn't know about plutonium rods I highly recomend doing your homework on this first xD

[abstract stirrup]

Still need my 2100 aluminum per min

[vapid gorge]

but yeah you have all the resources you need for a decent nuclear set up right in the east swamp

probably can drone in more Uranium and Sulfur for a bigger set up too I'd imagine

[abstract stirrup]

Its the material there “enough” for nuclear or “more than enough” 🙂

Drone?

[vapid gorge]

Well I'm pretty sure it's MORE than enough for the 600 uranium on location

[abstract stirrup]

Fine but explain drones

[vapid gorge]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Drone

[abstract stirrup]

Wtf are they a thing?

Omg

How did I miss them

[vapid gorge]

nah I cleverly made whole fake wiki pages to trick you

😛

[abstract stirrup]

Bruh I built so many railways

[vapid gorge]

railways are great

[abstract stirrup]

Damn it, I’m a complete fool

[vapid gorge]

Drones are better for long distance low throughput items

[abstract stirrup]

Oh

[vapid gorge]

Uranium is often in an awkward spot and it has overall low throughput so drones are pretty good for them

Plus you don't get Radiation Death trains

[cedar mica]

Can easily get 300/m throughput cross map, with 2 drones. So not really that low throughput.

[abstract stirrup]

My stupidity is incredible though, they where right there in the HUB and still missed them

[abstract stirrup]

That’s right!

Can’t wait to get started

Imma find someone that can help me with 2100/min Alu or it will melt my brain

[vapid gorge]

Well, most of my stuff is in the 10s of thousands, so I avoid the whole thing with making it really local

[vapid gorge]

in what way?

[abstract stirrup]

I already have blueprints for the machine, gotta do belt work and storage stuff and then decorate everything

Using Sloppy alumina solution and Pure alu ingots

[vapid gorge]

so you have the technical stuff sorted? 90% done then

[vapid gorge]

good combo

[cedar mica]

Just saying, 300/m product, is enough for quite a big product chain.

[vapid gorge]

Going Electrode Scrap?

[abstract stirrup]

Yup but it took real shit of time

[abstract stirrup]

What’s that?

[vapid gorge]

oh yeah I do end products with drones.

[vapid gorge]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Aluminum_Scrap

alt recipe that uses Petro Coke instead of Coal.

Very useful in some situations

[abstract stirrup]

Already got that

[vapid gorge]

And slightly higher output of aluminium than coal recipe

[abstract stirrup]

The thing is, can’t get sulfur

[vapid gorge]

what for?

[abstract stirrup]

Too far, too lazy to build trains and change bp’s

[median heath]

Than which coal recipe?

[vapid gorge]

the only one that matters 😛

[abstract stirrup]

Gotta work on it! Cya!!

[median heath]

Instant and Electrode+Sloppy are EQUAL.
You know this.

So don't say one has higher 🙃

[vapid gorge]

ah that's 'the coal and sulfur recipe' 😛

[median heath]

That's the only one that matters that uses coal.

[vapid gorge]

the convenience value of Electrode is unbeatable though 😉

[cinder silo]

I only use Sloppy + Pure to eliminate the silica (the nearby quartz goes to oscillators)

I get less aluminium but that's the price I pay.

[median heath]

Pure isn't....
Why...
People stop mixing your apples and pomegranates...

Sloppy does not connect to Pure.

[vapid gorge]

I have no idea if Taro did that on purpose or not but I lvoe it

[cedar mica]

It half does, as the base recipe gives you Silica, to deal with.

[median heath]

Scrap is it's own, completely separate, completely isolated comparison.
Sloppy + Electrode vs. Instant.

After you choose your Scrap method. You have another completely separate, completely isolated decision as far as Ingots. Being base vs. Pure.

[vapid gorge]

yeah but it always annoys Sev when you link them directly like that xD and he is right, there is a whole step in between that probably matters more than the ingot choice

I suspect very few people actually use the base ingot recipe for the sheer unbridled convenience of the alt

[cedar mica]

Base is less efficent on the solution, but it gives you Silica for the ingot stage. So that depends on what you value most, Silica or Bauxite.

[vapid gorge]

yeah but the annoying thing is not enough for the ingot stage. Very rude.

though I'm sure enough people have made use of having 'waste' silica for other things on location

but bed times! gn

[cinder silo]

Well since you're being pedantic, my chain is Sloppy > default (the one with the coal) >> Pure 🤷‍♂️ , but tbh I'll just assume you knew that.

[median heath]

Why do you cause me pain? 😭

[cinder silo]

Your choice to be in pain at that point, I didn't feel like another 8+ kilometre setup to move quartz for silica.

[median heath]

Sloppy+Default is the pain aspect 😭

[cinder silo]

Ahh that bit. loads of coal nearby and cba to convert oil and move it long distance to the bauxite plant, remember I had the not so clever idea of building bauxite refining on the east coast.

Changing the thing at this late stage even if I do exploit the blue crater for more oil would disturb the output and I already produce slightly too much aluminium now 😦

[ember fractal]

I use petroleum coke for my aluminum production

Sloppy -> Electrode

[modern scarab]

I like sloppy > default > pure most of the time too. The ratios are nice and i can't be bothered to make petroleum coke

[cinder silo]

If I hadn't built my refinery in such a stupid spot I would have gone with electrode, I'm not changing that now, the place is too big and I don't need another monster demolition project.

[median heath]

As long as you know you're sacrificing output in favor of ratios 🤷‍♂️

[modern scarab]

obviously i know that. again, i just can't be bothered

[cinder silo]

I knew from the start I'd lose output, since I don't use all of the output it worked out ok.

[modern scarab]

if i'm in a spot where it makes sense i'll switch it occasionally but not usually

[ember fractal]

Soo, a lot of sushi manifolds vs regular manifolds, is the performance worse?

Because it has to calculate the conditions on each smart splitter?

[frosty owl]

There is no reliable data on that that I know of

[median heath]

I don't think smarts have any noticeable impact on the game compared to normal splitters.

[frosty owl]

To expand on that...
We can spend time and find a way to compare two systems and see which uses less belt segments and splitters/mergers/smart splitters, but we have no idea about wether the possible "extra cost" (on performance) that smart splitters might have would make the sushi setup worth the less logistics or not (again, performance-wise)

If we were to simplify and assume that smart/programmable splitters "cost" as much as normal splitters, sushi manifolds (or just "using less belts", in whichever way) are probably the best bet, if throughput allows it

[ember fractal]

Would be interesting to test it on a massive scale

Like 5000 regular splitters as 100 manifolds of 50 splitters in one area.

And then the same thing with smart splitters.

[frosty owl]

Easier said than done...
Making a couple big factories? Relatively easy.
Agreeing with everyone that the logistics you built are equivalent (both the "minimum" one can do with that belting method) and make for a fair comparison, on the other hand...

[ember fractal]

Same number of regular and smart splitters. Maybe in a loop configuration, so they're always splitting items

[frosty owl]

I guess that'd still be useful for something... Maybe like finding the breakpoint between using less hardware due to less belts and using more due to splitter logic

(Assuming that's a thing, ofc)

[tired viper]

Good afternoon

One question. I don't know if it's a bug or I'm just super short sighted or plain ignorant

But does power poles have...their own energy?

[deft lichen]

no

power poles and power lines transmit losslessly

[tired viper]

Then that must be a bug

I'm giving energy to a machine with only 2 power poles

[deft lichen]

?

you can connect a generator to a machine without a power pole directly too

the amount of power poles doesn't matter

[tired viper]

https://gyazo.com/09dd99be51305c7f5008f241d0444b44

[deft lichen]

I don't understand your problem

[tired viper]

I didn't bring any power to power up the generator the first time. Maybe I'v this misunderstood.

[young coyote]

There are 6 other power cables coming off that one pole. Where do they lead?

[tired viper]

To 6 coal generators

[deft lichen]

interact with each generator and check if it has the same power graph

[tired viper]

I'm under the assumtion that the coal generators need a powerstart to start operating

[deft lichen]

they need both coal and water

you need to kickstart the system with biomass power to pump some water

[tired viper]

That's what I tought

[young coyote]

They need coal and water to run. The machines that put those in will need power.

[tired viper]

Ok

So once they're filled with water and coal

They don't need energy to be turned on?

[young coyote]

Correct. You just need to provide them with their "fuel" first. You can hand feed coal initially, but water must come from a pipe.

[tired viper]

Ok, sorry then

I was misunderstood about that

[young coyote]

When people talk about kickstarting with bioburner, they typically mean powering a coal miner and water extractor to get the process started. Then switch those machines over to coal power.

[tired viper]

Ok

Better check I've the generator factories in the main energy grid

[young coyote]

You may also want to consider dedicating a coal generator or two to your extractors and miner, and not connect them to the main grid. If you blow a fuse on the main grid later, these will at least keep providing coal and water uninterrupted.

Makes it easier to start back up.

[tired viper]

Thanks ^^

[visual grail]

Anyone know why Satisfactory Tools rounds weird sometimes?

[wind spade]

because computers are crap at doing decimals 😛

[primal flicker]

I followed the math on my last fuel setup, but changed the layout of it and now my power graph is very bumpy.
I think it's the result of consolidating everything instead of building it as a multiple of a simpler module. Maybe also has something to do with the byproduct stream, but pipe/fluid shenanigans seem more likely.

[median heath]

Learning that 0.1 + 0.2 != 0.3 hurt my soul in programming.

[vapid gorge]

Yup. Especially with fluid systems the more unnecessary connections you have the more points of failure and the more ways back flow can cause perpetual issues.

[primal flicker]

Tldr: I'm going back to subdividing my fluid applications like I originally tried, instead of unified headers for ALL of the HOR/fuel/etc.
2 refineries + 4 packagers + 1 H2O extractor + 10 fuel gens (for each 120 DPF being processed) copied over until I reach capacity.

[fierce ruin]

I found out that the search bar that pops up when you press n lets you evaluate simple expressions and i am going to be using that so much lol

[primal flicker]

It's pretty useful for finding best-fit clock speeds, etc.

[swift robin]

who out here sets all their machines at like 89% speed instead of doing 50 machines at 100 and one at 10%?

gotta squeeze in that tiny bit of energy efficiency XD

if greeny's calculator could do that extra little bit of math for me it would sure be nice

[wind spade]

just take the amount of machines and divide it by amount of machines rounded up

e.g. in the screenshot ten messages back, you'd divide 54.333/55 and get 0.9878, so 98.78%

[vapid gorge]

If you aren’t setting every machine to 0.0001% are you even efficienting bro?

[swift robin]

i already know how to do it. my point is i want you to do it for me XD

[worldly vector]

Isn’t that called floating point rounding or something

[jovial briar]

Can any of you recommend a planning tool that helps you figure out an optimal distribution of items?
I have never gotten beyond the Oil phase and I am just overwhelmed by the many different production chains that can be done.
Ideally, i would like to just tell the tool what nodes/input amounts I have access to, and what combination of items i would like to have as output, and the tool then suggesting an array of machines.

So far, all the tools i tried are requiring me to tell them how much output i want for each, but i just want to get a quick idea of what relationships exist between chains

[zinc crater]

🙂

[jovial briar]

Also, none of them seem optimized for mobile devices

[wind spade]

Well you should be planning by how much you want

Because that's the info you have, number of nodes is not much relevant

[zinc crater]

Tools lets you choose exactly how much of what you're inputting, does it not @wind spade ?

[wind spade]

You can find a different place with more nodes if you don't have enough

[wind spade]

They do, but it's still more optimal to plan from the end product

[zinc crater]

I agree, but for what they were asking, it does that.

[wind spade]

Well I'm just saying they may be asking wrong question 😛

[jovial briar]

Well, i just want a smooth operation that I don't have to demolish and readjust every other Tier.
So for me it would be helpful to know, how many different items (and how many /min) i can produce with X Copper/Iron/Coal as input

[wind spade]

That's easy, you don't rebuild or readjust, you only build new factories

[jovial briar]

Maybe I'm also using the tools wrong. That is a possibility I will not deny

[zinc crater]

Set a goal for how many/min of whatever item(s) you want, and set tools up with that, add in what you have access to as resources currently, and it'll tell you all of what you're missing.

[wind spade]

What you are asking is only possible if you have the whole game planned until last tier

[jovial briar]

Yeah, you may be right. I don't even know what more items it will throw at me next tier

[wind spade]

That's why I'd recommend only building what you need now and if you need more later, you make a separate factory for it

[jovial briar]

So basically pack up the hub and the escalator, move around the map and just add more nodes and at some point rotate and overhaul long abandoned factories?

[gloomy bay]

what is this called?

just satisfactory tools?

[wind spade]

No, have one central storage with hub and elevator, factories all over map and transport products to storage

[wind spade]

Yes

[next roost]

The image shows how the layout is for the screws into the 2 assemblers. One requires 74 and the other requires 24 screws per minute. Below I am producing 96 screws per minute via 2 constructors producing 40 screws and one producing 16. Any idea on why one of the assemblers is struggling whereas the other has a perfect 500? And it isn't improving

[tired viper]

I guesss the left one?

[median heath]

All 3 are good.

If you believe you will use the left one the most in the coming hours, pick the left one.

[frosty owl]

74 + 24 is more than 96 ^^

[wind spade]

pick whatever you like the most

[next roost]

Meant 72 and 24

[frosty owl]

That's a bit harder to diagnose then. It's hard to tell from the pictures, but are the screws backing up inside any of the constructors?

[next roost]

One of the constructors keep going down because of a backup. Not sure why though

[frosty owl]

Backup of what?

[next roost]

Like there’s too many screws in the lower area

And it’s waiting for space

[frosty owl]

"lower area"?

Do the constructors back up on input or output? Which is piling up in them?

[next roost]

Lower area being the second image

And it is piling up on the output

[frosty owl]

This means that only a part of the screws output/min can reach the Assemblers. There is an issue in the logistics between the constructors and the assemblers

[next roost]

What should I look for?

[frosty owl]

It's likely a belt segments of low MK somewhere

[next roost]

I already found an issue before this where I accidentally used mk1 instead of mk2 conveyers somewhere

Oh wait I know

[frosty owl]

I suggest cleaning the setup (remove screws from all machines' inputs and outputs) and watching the system restart, looking out for where the screws pile up

[next roost]

I know where I’m using mk1 instead of mk2. I’ll make the change and see if I’m still having the issues

[prisma kraken]

it is rare, but sometimes a manifold doesn't 'converge' properly

when that happens, one tool i use is to use a smart splitter to change the manifold into a 'smart manifold'

by favoring sending all output to one machine and the overflow to the other

in your case, however, there's a more elegant solution of doing a 4 way split followed by a 3-way merger to that that 1:3 ratio

(this is actually something you need to do in nuclear recycling if you don't want your entire play to become very radioactive)

and its relatively compact to do

[next roost]

Is a smart splitter the image or an actual thing you unlock?

[median heath]

Smart Splitters are unlocked in the MAM, Caterium tree.

You can acquire them in T1-2.

[prisma kraken]

smart splitter is a piece of tech you unlock in the caterium research tree in the mam

very useful thing to unlock

[next roost]

Ah ok

And I got it to work

Just forgot to make the conveyor going to the assembler that requires 72 to be mk2 instead of mk1

Also what tier do I get nuclear power in?

[frosty owl]

T7 or 8

[prisma kraken]

nuclear is extreme late game power

get good at building coal plants 😛

[deft lichen]

it's in T8, but you only need aluminum processing in T7 to unlock it, so you can actually get it not long after the elevator delivery

[prisma kraken]

yes, its the recycling of the waste that is T8

most painful milestone in the game to unlock, lol

[next roost]

I'm actually heading right now to upgrade my two. Reaching its max power

[prisma kraken]

yeah, i usually end up with 10+ gw of coal power through the progression of the game

i probably do more coal power than most, but that's because i really dislike fuel & turbofuel power

[steep escarp]

i find fuel much easier. just need a lizard doggo farm for slugs and patience

[cinder silo]

Might as well take advantage of the bugged slug spawns in the dunes near the nitrogen well, you get respawned slugs every reload.

[steep escarp]

that seems more an exploit and would require me to be the session owner ^^

[steep escarp]

that also might explain my dunes playthrough. I don't know what slugs but i had a base up there and always found slugs and i kept thinking i collected them already

[cinder silo]

Two that I know of respawn every reload, not very practical for me to go for often because my game takes four and a half minutes to load.

[steep escarp]

preplanning. do it early game 😛

[cinder silo]

My save is a bit late game alas 🤣

It's also huge.

[steep escarp]

mine isn't even to aluminium yet

[oblique notch]

If you're going to do that might as well just use SCIM add some slugs or power shards to your inventory. Cut out the reload times

[cinder silo]

No thanks, that involves messing with the save internals, I don't do that.

[oblique notch]

🤷 your call. Not like it's dangerous it's just serialized data structures.

[spiral flower]

I did that to add nuke bombs because trees and boredom so much fun to chuck then around

[oblique notch]

But you do you. You wanna spend the time and such then by all means. It's your playground

[cinder silo]

🤷‍♂️

Not like I'm short on shards.

[inland crane]

Can someone explain this to me, I'm not able to find any explainers online, probably my fault. But, what do the different numbers mean for recipes? In the image I attached for the recipe for high-speed connectors, it says it needs 60 quickwire 90 times per minute. So is it saying I need 5,000 quickwire a minute? I'm seeing online layouts that contradict this number but not sure why.

[sand epoch]

It says it needs 60 to make 2 connectors. And a total of 90 per minute to operate at 100%

[median heath]

You need 60 per cycle.
Cycle time is 40 seconds.
60/40 = 1.5 (per second) * 60s = 90 (per minute)

[inland crane]

oh my god

I've been doing this all wrong for so long

thank you guys so much

[median heath]

Cycle numbers

[wind spade]

it says it needs
60 per cycle
or
90 per minute

[sand epoch]

I mean it clearly states the per minute values.. why you would assume it's lying..idk

[inland crane]

Thx

[teal oasis]

Maybe an odd question, but can U-jelly landing pads help in combat by slowing down enemies?

[sand epoch]

Dont see how. Even if they offer a speed change, thats a lot of effort needed.. building the pads and powering them.

[teal oasis]

If I can set it up in advance maybe I can use it to trap a creature for just long enough to reload my rebar gun

[median heath]

Stun Rebar.

[sand epoch]

Or just bomb it and be done

[oblique notch]

The ai is not that complex either. Hogs: wait for them to charge then jump.or side step. Either way turn toward them and smack em with your weapon there.

Spitters: run at them till they shoot then either parry it (swing and hit the fire ball) or strafe to the side and continue forward. Take the next hit and swing away.

Alpha variants? Get a gun.

[amber umbra]

TIL you can parry the fire balls.

[oblique notch]

The flying crabs, run straight at the bulb and smack it till dead..if your fast enough they may not even get off the crabs. If they do just finish off the other bulbs then either run away a bit and make em come at you in a straight line or circle till you see one come at you and smack it.

Skitters... f'em with nukes. Only way to be sure (heh, seriously tho walk backwards to get them all in front of you then smack em when they jump at you)

And alpha variants, again. Gun. Stun rebar if you're confident in your aim, homing ammo if you're not.

Use spare tickets to buy it.

If combat makes you jittery, just turn it off. If you can't or won't, then force yourself to go hunting. Kill like 30 of each, you'll be a lot less jittery after that.

[fierce ruin]

i mean, might as well nuke everything and cosplay kim jong un

[true junco]

Same. I had no clue.

Those alpha stingers can jump so high... i think i was at least 20 meters up on a catwalk and one jumped clear up and landed on me. 😆

[vapid gorge]

You can also throw bombs at them and they’ll stick to the fireball

[primal lava]

The skitters are the worst lol. The cat's make it worse for me, but the skitters give me the shivers every time lol

[warm wren]

Waste product is 10 per minute per nuke reactor right?

[wind spade]

Depends which waste, which fuel and which clock speed

[warm wren]

I'm aware, but we're talking baseline here.

[wind spade]

What is baseline?

[warm wren]

A generator running at normal speed on normal fuel.

[deft lichen]

!wikisearch Nuclear+Power+Plant

[brisk shore]

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Special:Search?query=Nuclear+Power+Plant

[deft lichen]

Check wiki page

[warm wren]

I can't look at the wiki right now.

[deft lichen]

?

[vapid gorge]

you don't have access to the internet?

[warm wren]

Can. Can we please just answer the question? Pretty please?

[vapid gorge]

I have no idea.

[wind spade]

Teach a man how to fish or whatever

[vapid gorge]

Ondar provided a link

[deft lichen]

Yes, 10 U waste per min per 100% generator

[vapid gorge]

like literally there is a link right there

[warm wren]

Yes thank you.

[deft lichen]

Please check the wiki for such questions next time though

[warm wren]

I can't look at the wiki right now.

[deft lichen]

Why not?

[warm wren]

There's limited access on this hospital wifi, I already tried.

[deft lichen]

Ah, right, fair

[frosty owl]

Ask CHATGPT to check the wiki

[wind spade]

Or check any of the online tools

[deft lichen]

Maybe the issue is Fandom loading 3 video ads before the content

[frosty owl]

Maybe you should drop it as people keep suggesting xD

[warm wren]

Sorry, but Discord is about all I got and I'm bored and thinking about making a nuke station. I'm just the ride home when things are done 😛

[versed violet]

WHAT?

[median heath]

Yes. You can whack spitter projectiles out of the air with the basher or shoot them with any gun.

Another reason Turbo Ammo is amazing 😄

[versed violet]

I need to try that.

[versed violet]

Ad. Nukes:
If you are a foliage enthusiast and want to preserve things, you can still nuke things, then use a mod to regrow trees.

[true junco]

Is there a mod that resets the foliage? Hmmm...

[tired viper]

How much Quartz you really need in this game?

I have 2 normal nodes next to each other, but it's worth putting 2 mk2 at 250% OC for it?

[sand epoch]

In the end you will have ocd mk3s on everything. There is never enough.. 🙂

[tired viper]

what you need wqquartz for tho?

[sand epoch]

A lot...

[frosty owl]

Is an OCD Miner one that aligns to grid?

[sand epoch]

Not even counting structures

[sand epoch]

Yes

[deft lichen]

aluminum and oscillators used for radio control units among other things

[tired viper]

Thanks Ondar ^^

[true junco]

At this point i use quartz for silicon circuits, crystal oscillators, and building lots and lots of signs...

[quiet wasp]

Kinda new to Satisfactory, and have a question. I'm trying to to a three tall stack of screw constructors, and am doing weird stuff with splitters and conveyor lifts.
Sorry if this is a stupid question.

Will it split equally if I have:
On the right output, goes into a lift.
On the front output, goes into another splitter.

On the next splitter, it goes into another lift on the right.
Front output of this one goes into a constructor.

With my 30 input coming in, will it split evenly into 10?

[tired viper]

Yes

[quiet wasp]

Okay, glad to see I won't have to tear everything down.

Thanks.

[deft lichen]

You don't have to balance

Overfed machines will eventually back up, so they won't be able to take more what they need

As long as you're not unevenly splitting between a machine and storage or Awesome sink, it'll work out

(if you are, MAM Caterium/Smart Splitter/overflow)

[oblique notch]

SCIM can even reset foilage.

[lunar jewel]

is there a way to see throughput? I'm having trouble understanding trucks and I'm trying to deliver rubber, limestone, and heavy mod frames but if I just use a single smart splitter, the amount of limestone thats transfered into one truck overloads it and would render it useless, but then if I still seperate the 3 materials then if I dont know how to edit throughput then the rubber might overload so the heavy frames dont go through to one machine, then also the other machine that needs limestone will have rubber and heavy frames put into it clogging it even if I seperate them. Do I just have to use multiple different trucks for each and every resource or is there a way to not have things clog up with one truck?

[modern scarab]

typically yes it is better to have each item have it's own truck stop if you have high amounts of one and low of the other. otherwise you would have to do some very precise load balancing before inputting into the truck station.

now if it were for 10 HMF/m and say 10 CPU/m, you wouldn't have a problem mixing them

[lunar jewel]

damn alright thanks for the info

[fierce ruin]

why not just drones then?

[cedar mica]

With the awesome sink, you can make it work, but you will every now and then not have full machines because stacks where different in that around of truck delvierys.

[lunar jewel]

well I just set up 3 trucks for the 3 resources I needed to be transported and now I'm dealing with a new problem I didnt know existed, deadlocks

I dont understand how you're supposed to use natural roads if the path constantly gets dead locked

[cedar mica]

Need to give the trucks enough width to play with. They need about 1.5 to 2 foundations each, so 3-4 foundation worth of way.

The tractors, needs a little less, at around 1 foundation each. Explorer something closer to trucks.

[lunar jewel]

everywhere constantly?

[cedar mica]

Everywhere they can meet yeah.

[lunar jewel]

so only at truck stations

[cedar mica]

Natural roads are more meant for 1 truck, most of the time. Not really for a whole bunch of them, at least not without some work.

[lunar jewel]

I'm about to go insane man

[cedar mica]

Remove some trees, expand the road in some areas, making cliffs less steep and so on.

[lunar jewel]

I've been attempting to make trucks work for like 8 hours straight, I'll try that I guess

[median heath]

Disagree. Emphatically.

[oblique notch]

Depends on the road... 🤔 had a Truck (not a sugar cube) sitting facing another coming from.coal to the waterfall overlooking the swamp. That "road" was not even really wide enough for the Truck.

Tho I guess their all getting a pass in u8 to make them more useful

[median heath]

A lot of the perceived uselessness comes from misuse in most of the cases I read about.

Or just not understanding the power of multiple truck stops.

[scarlet wedge]

Trying to work out the best way to make packaged fuel from 300 oil so I don’t get anything backlog? Any help

[prisma kraken]

there's two ways

one is to use the rubber & plastic recipes to make HOR, and use DPF or residual fuel to process the fuel, the other is to use the HOR alt to make lots of HOR and convert it into DPF, and either sink the resin by-product or convert it into some combo of plastic/rubber/fabric

the latter makes more fuel, the former makes more plastic and rubber

as for the numbers, 5 refineries for rubber & 5 for plastic gives you 150 HOR, which can be fed into 5 DPF refineries, yielding 300 fuel

for the HOR route, its 10 hor refineries yielding 400 HOR, that need to be input into 13.3333 refineries for dpf

that yields 800 fuel if i'm calculating correctly

[true junco]

Sounds about right.

[prisma kraken]

you can figure out what to do with the resin byproduct yourself 😛

(i was doing the math on that in my head, i may be mistaken w/o double-checking)

i don't generally do a lot of fuel power

[true junco]

Well. 600 crude makes 1600 fuel via HOR and DPF so, i know that route is correct.

[prisma kraken]

anyway, the choice as to which recipe chain to use really depends on whether the power or plastic and rubber are more important to you

the intro petro i do uses the other route, converting the hor into coke instead of fuel

i don't use that hor for power generation, instead, i oversubscribe it for making jetpack fuel, coke and smokeless powder

(coke steel is too good mid-game)

[scarlet wedge]

DPF?

i currently have 5 plastic 5 rubber making 150 Heavy Oil into 3 refinery making residual fuel -> 8.3 fuel gens

but i have another 300 oil i want to make just packaged fuel from, just trying to figure out a good way of doing it

[prisma kraken]

diluted packaged fuel it is an alt recipe

[true junco]

Diluted packaged fuel.

An alt of fuel that turns HOR + Packaged Water into packaged fuel it has the same yield as the later diluted fuel. But DPF is all refineries, where DF requires blenders which are later game

[scarlet wedge]

i dont have many alt recipes

with no alt recipes i just want to make a decent amount of packaged fuel, but wanted too see if anyone had any tips before i went in and tried to figure it out my self

[true junco]

Alts have a trade off. DF and DPF trade complexity for higher yield.

[prisma kraken]

you may have your reasons, but 300 oil -> packaged fuel, no matter how you make it is a lot of packaged fuel

...are you sure you need that much packaged fuel?

[scarlet wedge]

probably not

but i do want to run trucks etc

just want to figure out a way currently to make packaged fuel and not have my oil back up etc.

[prisma kraken]

really for the jetpack and some automated vehicles, just making like 60 packaged fuel is usually adequate unless you're doing a huge trucking infrastructure

here's what you do

instead of running 8.333 generators

run 8, pipe the excess into a packager underclocked (i'll get you the number in a minute) and have that output into a storage contained, and overflow into a sink

[scarlet wedge]

my 8th gen doesn't run that well anyway, keeps sputtering and i dont know why cause the math is correct

[prisma kraken]

run the packager at 10% for 4 packaged fuel/min

yeah, did you underclock any of the generators?

[scarlet wedge]

yes the final one

9 gens one is at 30

[prisma kraken]

should be 33.33333, but that wouldn't be the problem

[scarlet wedge]

it should be 33.3333 but it kept sputtering so i just put it on 30% but its just not filling fast enough.

i put it down to 80% and no red light

[prisma kraken]

you're dealing with several problems

[scarlet wedge]

[prisma kraken]

one, you need to make sure the plastic and rubber outputs never stall

if they do, you're going to run dry on fuel

[scarlet wedge]

when i checked over it seems good, all plastic + rubber has an overflow into sink

[prisma kraken]

two, you need to fill that pipe to the generators completely before turning them on

[scarlet wedge]

plus fluid buffers just in case of build up

[prisma kraken]

buffers in this case cause the problems to be greater

they're rarely ever a good idea

[scarlet wedge]

remove buffer?

[prisma kraken]

i would

they mask problems, tbh

they do exist in the game to solve some problems, but they don't solve yours and probably are complicating issues

[scarlet wedge]

yeah working better already, cheers

after almost 200hours in this game i still dont know what im doing have the time

[prisma kraken]

fluids are tricky AF

[scarlet wedge]

if i run 7.5 gens i can do a packager at 33% i believe

[prisma kraken]

up to what you identify your needs to be

i'm right now prepping for this build:

[scarlet wedge]

have fun lol

currently at an issue the pipe going into the packager has fuel inside but its not flowing in the packager?

[prisma kraken]

power?

[scarlet wedge]

Needed a pump apparently

Would not flow with out it

Even tho it was like a 2m lift

And the pipe had fuel inside

[oblique hollow]

probably connection issue

[frosty owl]

But it was singleplayer

[vapid gorge]

was it from a buffer? buffers have variable lift

[scarlet wedge]

No it’s joined to the end of my fuel gens

[vapid gorge]

wait, how are you feeding fuel from generators?

[cinder silo]

Some form of mobius loop piping inside the generators I guess 😬

[snow dove]

feeding a manifold of fuel gens, that then ends in a packager for the excess fuel they’re producing, which has a 2m pipe from the terminating junction to the packager

that’s what i think their setup is

[cinder silo]

I hope that setup has an inverted U bend at the end before the packager so it'll prio the generators.

[snow dove]

or at least 2m vertical change in that last pipe

[snow dove]

probably what the vertical height increase is for

[ember fractal]

turbo ammo vs homing?

[cinder silo]

I personally use homing, fewer shots due to individual rounds doing more damage, actually less annoying to make (no liquid setup)

[ember fractal]

true, and I already have a good factory for high speed connectors

[cinder silo]

I actually have a dedicated manufacturer upstairs in my bullet plant for the connecters intended for homing rounds.

[prisma kraken]

Homing is really nice

for weapons, you can afford to use off-meta recipes like heavy turbofuel or quickwire cable

[median heath]

Turbo 4 Life

[tired viper]

I just made the Computer factory, but the HMF factory seems a liitle bit to much. Any suggestions on how you did it please?

[median heath]

Same way you do every other factory?
Pick your target production amount, solve what that needs, find an area that meets those needs, start plopping buildings down and adjust as necessary until you're happy with layout.
Then connect belts/pipes.
Then connect power.
Prefeed the system, turn power on.

[oblique hollow]

start with picking a number for HMF, like 10/min
do a rough calculation to see how big the factory for that would be (machine number, items/min, power..)
decide if thats too much or not enough, then adjust the number
lastly, set your plan into motion

[median heath]

||11.25||

[oblique hollow]

13.3333 😈

[formal thicket]

which one do I choose

[wind spade]

whichever seems best to you and your factory

[median heath]

All 3 have merit.
It is your decision.

[oblique hollow]

got refineries? ok with pipes? need more copper sheets? pick 1
excess iron and need more copper ingots? pick 2
want compact assembler layout for reinforced plates and ok with screws? pick 3

[tired viper]

Thanks ^^

[thin owl]

hi, if the mk5 conveyor belt is 780 items per minute, how can I exploit the full potential of the miner mk3 on a pure node ?

[fierce cypress]

you cannot

[thin owl]

ok thanks

I was searching everywhere for a solution 😂

[oblique hollow]

old design choice, they figured out what to do with that now, but we dont know yet what that new solution will be

[young coyote]

Here's hoping for something simple, like a Miner with multiple outputs.

[thin owl]

this would be cool

[hardy kraken]

miner mk 4 and 5

[oblique hollow]

never

[ember fractal]

fuel gens are such a pain to build. to get any real power, you gotta build like hundreds

definitely looks cool, but so tedious

[oblique hollow]

thats why you push for nuclear once you feel like you need hundreds of fuel gens

because that pain just aint worth it

[ember fractal]

yeh, with all that time and effort could make a decent nuclear facility

and get way more power

[oblique hollow]

6 nukes vs 100 fuel generators

[ember fractal]

each plant churns out 2.5 GW?

[oblique hollow]

ye

[ember fractal]

not bad

[oblique hollow]

hence the recommendation to go nuclear before you decide to build 100 fuel gens.
Pain averted

and the setup for 10 nuclear power plants is easy too

a lot smaller than anything needed for 100 fuel gens

[ember fractal]

i've already built 200+ gen setup, hence my venting lol
i guess i'll get nuclear setup, but won't hook up to the grid yet, until I need the extra juice

[median heath]

This is why I OC my Fuel Gens.
Cuts down on the number needed by 2.5x

[ember fractal]

yeh, need lotta shards tho

[snow dove]

i just built 400 fuel gens lol

[cinder silo]

Yeah I have a few fuel generators thanks to chasing power in the past.

[true junco]

Oops. Lol. I built about 160 on my first fuel generator setup.

[oblique hollow]

note to self: add CanadianFH to my list of people who built more than 100 fuel gens

[visual grail]

In Update 5 I built a 1000 fuel gen power plant... Then I unlocked the HOR recipe 🤦‍♂️

[next roost]

I feel like I'm doing something wrong. This many launchers are needed to go a distance of 800m

[fierce ruin]

fps cap?

[next roost]

Infinite

[unreal spire]

Crouch slide jump into that bad boi and let us know

[fierce ruin]

cap it to 45 and try

its a ue4 engine movement glitch

[ember fractal]

the higher the fps, the less effective the cannon is

[deft lichen]

the entrances are too close together, and the tube segments are too short

[next roost]

Oh

I just followed this guide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAxP3gIuSp0

[deft lichen]

well the guide is wrong then lol

[next roost]

Ok

How far apart should they be?

[deft lichen]

a foundation is 8m long, place a support every 4m (foundation edge and center)

then extend a 2m tube from each, and dismantle the supports placed from the new tubes, so that the tubes are open-ended

then place the entrances

[next roost]

Is 1m one snap distance?

[deft lichen]

I think so

[next roost]

Ok

And how do I calculate how many I will need?

[deft lichen]

🤷 guess

start with like 12

[next roost]

Ok

Worked, thanks

[cinder silo]

Eww the vid shows the compact version of a cannon, loses loads of power doing it like that.

[next roost]

The only issue is my cannon lands me on the mountain right in front of the factory

[deft lichen]

Point the last, extended segment more up

[next roost]

Like the one you come out of? It’s already on a 45 degree angle

[deft lichen]

Gotta build the cannon elsewhere then

You'll usually go really high up above terrain if you don't hit anything on the way up

[scarlet wedge]

when selecting steel rotors not showing in the planner

[deft lichen]

Disable base rotors

[scarlet wedge]

ah ok, trying to get used to this tool

[deft lichen]

It prefers resource efficiency, enabling an alt puts it in consideration, doesn't mean the tool will use it

You can force it by disabling all the other options

[scarlet wedge]

im using both to do it in reality

one iron factory one steal factory but it just to get an idea of whats needed

im almost there...

[deft lichen]

If you can't get it to do what you want, make a new tab that only makes the intermediate item (rotors)

Then add it as an input manually, so the production of it isn't shown

[scarlet wedge]

almost finished building my steel factory 25 motors + 25 encased steel beams

after than its my iron factory and get the smart plating done

[deft lichen]

Quite a lot of motors, good job

[scarlet wedge]

thanks to the solid steel ingots & steel rotors ive managed to pull it off

[next roost]

I’m hitting it at the very end. Just before the factory

[scarlet wedge]

this is the smart plating for the modular engines

[young coyote]

Might need more velocity, to overshoot the mountain, but then you might also have to "walk back" to your factory.

[versed violet]

Just build a wall shaped like basebal glove.
If you make it funnel you into single foundation with jelly pad, you take no damage

[next roost]

That’ll be pretty ugly though

But ig I gotta makedue with what I got until I get the jetpack next phase

Luckily I’m getting close as I just finished both tiers and am starting the factory on the last 2 parts

[versed violet]

You could always build an enclosed hyperloop.... and double or thriple the cannon power.

[fading urchin]

So now I’m conflicted, I need to add another 30k MW to my grid just to support the automation of all things nuclear. Have been planning a fuel gen build to take about 2700 fuel, I already have a handful of fuel plants but I’m only pushing 37GW, and don’t have the freedom to turn large factories off because they are all automating my end game stuff. Any advice? Lmfao

[oblique hollow]

power storages can be enough to kickstart nuclear

start one nuclear reactor > it provides power > eventually they all run

12 reactors in total

to get 30 GW

[versed violet]

I personally use all the geo power to sustain a small factor 'guaranted power' nuclear manufacturing. It powers the couple machines and railway to deliver rods for 2 nuclear reactors (@200% oc). These two reactors power my regular grid from which I draw power for rest of manufacturing.

[fluid fiber]

i'm kinda new but can i get on the list? I got a 120 double OC turbo fuel generator plant 😄

[primal flicker]

I must be a masochist.
I just built 150 refineries, and that's just the first phase of my "Turbo Insanity" project.
The 800 generators are really going to drive me nuts...

[oblique hollow]

yeah you are definitely going on the list

800 generator maniac

[vapid gorge]

Yeah, at that point go nuclear

[flat loom]

are fluid trains viable or should i just import items to where-ever the oil is?

[wind spade]

both is possible to do, though moving fluids is usually pain and some people (including me) wouldn't recommend it

[deft lichen]

consider processing oil to solid products and transporting those

if the product is fuel, burn it where it is made

[vapid gorge]

What the others said. Moving fluids is fine as long as you look into the methods for reliable throughput

[primal flicker]

Long pipelines are more viable imo

[swift robin]

just like in real life. why do complicated train and ship thingies? pipe is good lol

[tired viper]

Any adivce?

[oblique hollow]

pick based on what you need

they all have their use

and you can find all recipes if you set out to hunt all drives

[tired viper]

I don't need anything this specific, just a general "what's best"

[oblique hollow]

there is no"best"

no absolute best at least

need fuel? then pick the middle one

need more iron? pick first

project parts is a big "eeeh" but have their use too

[wind spade]

how a recipe is good or bad depends on what you want to use it for 🤷‍♂️ there's no generic answer to what would be best for you

[spark shale]

yea depends on the location where you are in, so if you have not so much iron there but water, then you pick the first one

[wind spade]

also depends on what you want to optimise for, what you prefer, etc.

[tired viper]

ofc there is a generic answer. If I'm not using anything and Heavy Encased Frame and Pure Copper Ingot showed up, there's a clear answer. Just wanted to know among those 3 if there's an specific preference ^^

[wind spade]

there's never a clear answer

[tired viper]

Lots of times people ask the very same question and it's pretty unanimous on an specific answer. So ofc lots of times there's a clear answer ^^

[wind spade]

that's a matter of preference, not "being best"

best is subjective

[tired viper]

No, there's clearly some best recipes than others. Maybe if ytou're invested in doing something specific one can come more in handy than other one...but clearly there are betters and worse recipes

[wind spade]

how do you compare which recipe is better if they both use different resources?

only way a recipe could be better if it was same recipe as default, except for better yield or speed

[scarlet wedge]

It’s all dependant on your factory and what you need for alt recipes

[wind spade]

is cost of 2 iron better than one copper?

[tired viper]

Pure Copper Ingot +17.25% -3.41% -2.53% -9.14% +2.08% -11.49%
Heavy Encased Frame -7.22% -11.62% -12.60% -9.33% -12.01% -3.92%

[wind spade]

what are those numbers?

[tired viper]

Power Items Buildings Resources Buildings Resources

[wind spade]

how do you compare one iron to one copper?

how do you compare buildings if they differ based on other recipes you pick?

[tired viper]

Some recipes overall need more energy to produce less material

[wind spade]

where is complexity of build, usage of product, pairing with other recipes, etc.?

you can't compare based on a few variables and call it objective, you didn't (and can't) include everything

how good a recipe is always depends on the player and their preferences. So while that one player can have their own "best" recipes, it's not objectively/generally best

[tired viper]

So if you see a recipe that says this one needs less buildings, less resources, less energy for a better output, and one that needs more energy, buildings and resources for a worse output...you think those are "equally good depending on the circumstances"?

[tired viper]

No, no, they're generally/objectivly best. Like I said, maybe unless you're doing a very specific thing than specificlly requires you this "worse" overall recipe...

[wind spade]

again, how do you compare different resources?

[tired viper]

But yeah, ther'es even a tier for that ^^

[wind spade]

is one copper better than one iron?

is one copper better than one coal?

what about 2.7 iron vs one copper?

if a recipe uses 1000 sulfur and other one uses 1001 iron, is the sulfur one better?

[tired viper]

Depends on the overall ^^

[wind spade]

overall what?

[tired viper]

Energy, buildings, resources and output

[wind spade]

is saving one MW better than saving one iron?

[tired viper]

Maybe

[wind spade]

depends on player, and their status in the game

do they have extra power or extra iron?

[tired viper]

Is needing less resources and energy for a better output worse than needing more energy and roesources for a worse output?

[wind spade]

again, you haven't said how you compare two different resources

unless the recipes use exactly the same thing, then you can't just sum resources together

[tired viper]

Agains answering without answering :P

[wind spade]

well you can't say "it's better" without clarifying how you define better

[tired viper]

I did like 5 times already

[wind spade]

you didn't

[tired viper]

You're just evading answering a simple question

[wind spade]

because it's not a simple question

[scarlet wedge]

Solid steel ingot gives more yield for more power consumption

[tired viper]

It's a very simple question

[scarlet wedge]

Imo it’s good but wouldn’t say better as you need a bigger power supply

[wind spade]

I've been working with satisfactory's recipes for several years. I've been analysing them mathematically in multiple ways. I've made tools to do that for me. There's no single way to tell if a recipe si better or worse.

[tired viper]

"Do you think a recipe that gives more output for less building/resource/energy is equally good than a recipe that gives less output for more building/resource/energy? yes or no"

[wind spade]

how do you define "less resources". I've asked that. Do you just sum raw resources?

I've also asked how do you compare "uses 1 MW less" and "uses 1 iron less"

[tired viper]

Can you answer? ._.

[wind spade]

can you?

because you said a recipe gives more of everything

even though it's not true

[tired viper]

Okay, you're right ^^ Thanks for th enlightment :P

[wind spade]

what are the numbers based on even? which recipe path?

or are you comparing just the recipes in vacuum?

[oblique hollow]

The answer is not to look at recipes alone

but recipe combos

which is why there is no single best recipes.

You can argue on recipe combos however

Aluminum for example. Is Sloppy Alumina the best recipe? Heck no

[wind spade]

(and even those are usually "best" just based on single property, e.g. "most plastic out of oil")

there's rarely a recipe combo that is best in everything (including complexity)

[oblique hollow]

Every recipe offers updsides and downsides

If you are willing to disregard some downsides, thats subjective

And makes the recipe not objectively best

[swift robin]

and then you have cast screw which is just all-around better than default lol

[oblique hollow]

and also kinda mid considering no-screw recipes exist too

so its all a mixed bag

steel screw is technically even better, but it needs steel beams, which is a bit of an effort

[swift robin]

it shines early game as an upgrade to your inevitable screw production, and then becomes easy to ignore

[wind spade]

is it though? that's just comparing two different recipes in vacuum, again not including other recipes and paths in comparison

do you want extra speed? steel screws
do you want extra savings? steel rod -> base screw

the steel rod recipe in particular is exactly why cast screw is not "all around better"

because by skipping a step, you also skip recipes that can improve that step's yield

[swift robin]

i was comparing it to default 🤷

[wind spade]

well yeah, but what if I use default and steel rod

[swift robin]

u pay for complexity of steel prod

[wind spade]

and you gain resource efficiency

[swift robin]

so no gain

but vs default there is only gain

[wind spade]

no? you have one advantage and one disadvantage, you pick which one matters to you

[swift robin]

you keep on bringing in other alts when i'm not trying to so idk what ur going on about anymore

[wind spade]

you can't compare recipes in vacuum

you have to take other recipes and possible recipe paths into account

[swift robin]

early on you dont have a lot of fancy choices so it works as a perfect upgrade

[true junco]

Any determination of "best" recipe in SF will start with at least one subjective prefference choice.

[wind spade]

was even mentioned above

[swift robin]

later on then all those choices are actually available

then your approach makes sense

[wind spade]

early on even better upgrade is stitched plates which saves same things as cast screws but also resources

(and gets rid of screws requirement)

[true junco]

I love the combos of pure iron, pure copper, pure caterium, fused wire and stitched plate. Lol

Im using a tiny ammount of caterium and copper to produce quite a lot of RIPs.

[swift robin]

well early on you're gonna be making screws one way or another lol

[true junco]

Of course. Cast screw is great for early game.

[wind spade]

you only need like ~3k to finish everything you can ever need screws on

you can gather a lot near crash sites, rest can be done with one constructor

wasting a drive onto that setup seems weird

(and yes, this is subjective opinion, but it just shows you can't call it objectively best)

[swift robin]

yeah it's weird to you because you avoid screws at all costs

[true junco]

Well. I dont care for any of the steel paths to screws because they all trade iron for coal or coke. When i would rather either use more iron via cast screw, or avoid screws all together via alts.

[wind spade]

I don't

I avoid iron screws

[wind spade]

it's actually 2k

that's 50 minutes of one constructor

[ember fractal]

Concrete ain't even a problem with the wet concrete recipe.

I setup a 1440/m concrete plant last night

Using 2 pure and 1 normal nodes

[median heath]

You can collect like 4k for free around drop pods 🙂

[wind spade]

yeah 😛

[deft lichen]

goes drive hunting with a couple of stacks of wires and screws, realizes mistake 2 drop pods in

[abstract stirrup]

Question about drones: are they worth going for small amounts of stuff like computers and other? I mean, is the production, transportation and consumption of batteries worth their travel?

Also to me it looks kinda weird that they aren’t made with batteries but consumes them as a fuel, instead of actually being a component. (As I expected)

[young coyote]

I'm kind of surprised there isn't a "Charged Battery" and "Depleted Battery" similar to packaged liquids. Have the drones "consume" a Charged Battery and output a Depleted Battery, which can then be recharged in some kind of machine using only power from the grid (and real estate).

[abstract stirrup]

Yeah same

A “recharge station” for battery should be a thing

[deft lichen]

sounds like the ideal use case

[abstract stirrup]

Or just make batteries a component and recharge them when the drone leaves/arrives

[deft lichen]

see, the benefit of drones is trivial setup, their cost is having to supply batteries on one end

[abstract stirrup]

What’s the consumption for like 1km of travel?

[deft lichen]

1 battery 😂
4 batteries are the base cost

[abstract stirrup]

Oh

Lol not that many

[deft lichen]

to this day I don't know if that's per trip or per round trip

but it usually works out to around 10/min per drone line

[abstract stirrup]

Oh well that’s different

Are batteries easy to make? Haven’t seen the recipe yet

I have tons of nitrogen gas nearby and also sulfuric acid is raining basically

[deft lichen]

yeah I'd say they're fairly easy

[ember fractal]

I had a 520 battery / m factory in my other save

[frosty owl]

... that's a good question. If it's per trip, then providing batteries at both ends would be quite inefficient

[deft lichen]

the titan forest is the ideal spot for them with both bauxite and sulfur nearby

[ember fractal]

Was using the classic alt

[abstract stirrup]

Currently finishing 2000 alu casing per min

So that will be next

Oh wait they need casing?!

Damn it

[deft lichen]

it's currently bugged, but feeding on both sides doesn't mean double consumption
I meant that if the cost is "4 base + 1 per km", for a 3 km line, does the drone take 4+3, 4+3+3, or 4+4+3+3

[frosty owl]

It should be 4+(number of KM minus X)

... I think. I can't recall where I'm pulling that from

[deft lichen]

so 4+3?

I'll test it when I get to rewriting the drone wiki page

or if you could test it, it'd be greatly appreciated, we really need more people on board with editing

[thick plank]

I mean at least you already have experience with building these

[deft lichen]

make an outpost, make new casings and alumina solution in the outpost

[abstract stirrup]

What else do I need batteries for?

[deft lichen]

space elevator parts

[thick plank]

You can use them for trucks

[abstract stirrup]

I’m using alternate recipe

[deft lichen]

yeah, all vehicles can use them as fuel, and it's the best non-radioactive one

[thick plank]

Honestly I dont like drones so i never built a single battery production line

[abstract stirrup]

So I’m producing 2000 alclad or casing basically

[thick plank]

I use the sulfur for ammo and nuclear

[abstract stirrup]

Smart splitter, overflows when casing is full

So if I’m using cases for more important stuff, when that’s done it will produce batteries

[deft lichen]

use a drone to import the casings 😛
just prime it before the drone is set up

drones really simplify the logistics

[abstract stirrup]

Transporting isn’t the problem, it’s just I had some huge problems making ALU stuff and don’t wanna build that again

[thick plank]

How much can drones actually load?

[deft lichen]

9 stacks

[abstract stirrup]

You know the residue of water that is created when you produce Alu scraps?

That’s the problem

[thick plank]

9 stacks. How many inputs does a drone station have?

[deft lichen]

but you can have 2 drones between each pair of drone ports, or really an unlimited amount of drones arriving at the same destination port

[deft lichen]

1, max throughput is thus 780/min

[thick plank]

Yeah but they have to wait

[thick plank]

No.

[deft lichen]

why not?

[thick plank]

Cause loading time

[cinder silo]

Just feed wastewater in to a coal generator if you don't want to deal with wastewater loops.

[thick plank]

I assume it works similarily to trains

[deft lichen]

nope, drones do NOT block the connected belts

[abstract stirrup]

The thing is that I tried putting that water into the Alu solution refineries and it went horribly

It took me 4 hours to fix it

And now I’m still not sure if it will work consistently

[thick plank]

Ah ok then theoretically you can get 780/min. Would still use trains or belts

[deft lichen]

also the capacity of the drone port is 18 per direction, double that of the drone, so it does its own buffering without having to use a storage container

[cinder silo]

My loops were a disaster (caused by valves oops) so the wastewater now feeds 64 coal generators.

[thick plank]

If you want 780/min capacity of the port doesnt matter as long as its >9 stacks

[abstract stirrup]

I think mine works now, haven’t got any coal nearby so…

Valves helped a lot

Maybe my design was bad but I guess I will rebuild everything

[thick plank]

Feed it back to the other production steps

[cinder silo]

Valves actually broke mine, wet concrete to sink is another alternative.

[abstract stirrup]

As I said, it was a disaster

[thick plank]

Rip. I understand your pain.

[deft lichen]

I burned off water from aluminum in coke-fed coal generators

[abstract stirrup]

I’m using coal for Alu scraps…

[cinder silo]

I haven't done coke, HOR was too valuable to burn in that manner.

[abstract stirrup]

Alt recipe

[ember fractal]

I'll use drones to transport HMF

[abstract stirrup]

So next time I’ll do the generators if more coal is near

[thick plank]

Anyways i have to pack my stuff together. Train arrives its destination in ten minutes at the station. You guys have fun. Oh and drones are not good, just use belts. You have to lay out wires anyways. So just dont commit to the hassle of having to do a whole production line just to transport stuff to another production line

[deft lichen]

still on my oil factory from the start of tier 5, so it's producing 900 coke/min
about 2/3 of it is used, some for electrode scrap, some for waste water, some for turbo blend fuel

it feels strange actually using that much coke

[true junco]

Idk. My factory for HMFs (encased alt) sure needs a lot of concrete. 😆 like... ≈940 just for the HMF(enc), and ≈2133 for all the EIB(pipe)... lol. So over 3000 concrete for 128 HMF/min

[ember fractal]

And even more steel

[true junco]

WAY more steel. Lol

[cinder silo]

What happens with wastewater and just how much you get depends on the size of the aluminium scrap output, here's mine.

[true junco]

128 HMF(enc)s takes ≈1536 Steel Pipes, and the EIBs take ≈2987 Steel Pipes so 4523 steel pipes... 😆

Im going to probably set lower goals for all components above HMFs and Computers for a while... 😆

[ember fractal]

The EIBs are the real steel killers

[true junco]

Yeah. Next HMF factory i build, i will probably try out Flexible alt. Already made one with the default.

[oblique hollow]

Thats why i use instant scrap. lowest water output of all recipes

[ember fractal]

I'm using encased alt, but my target is 45 HMFs

[cinder silo]

Instant crap uses sulphur that I don't have to spare.

[ember fractal]

Avoid instant. Sulfur is at a premium

[oblique hollow]

use less turbo 😛

[ember fractal]

Nah fam, batteries and nuclear already take a good chunk of sulfur from the map

[deft lichen]

well that really depends, not everyone intends to use up all of the sulfur on the map

[oblique hollow]

Sulfur is absolutely dispensable for aluminum

And nuclear

[deft lichen]

that's one of the issues with weighted resource cost, it doesn't factor in local availability

using expensive resources is fine if you don't it in large quantities

[true junco]

Yeah. Ive already built most of what i need for 128 HMFs using the encased alt... lol. Just need to expand concrete and double check steel pipes. I had a side line of "steeled" alt standard Modular Frames, if i shutter that and expand the default frames line, then thst might be enough steel pipe. Put ill probably just import more EIBs so theblocal concrete and pipe can go direct.

[oblique hollow]

and leave enough for instant

i did the math

i know well enough what you can and cant do with sulfur

[primal flicker]

So I'm not hamstringing myself by upscaling my turbo blend until I have a nice whole number of refineries and blenders and generators?

[spark shale]

our circuit board factory for app. 180/min

[oblique hollow]

depends entirely on the number. turbofuel is one of the only things that can 100% use up all the sulfur and leave nothing over for other production lines

[abstract stirrup]

Imma say my opinion (don’t kill me pls)

The limited resources nodes of the pre-built map inevitably Leeds to cut in the production line, that is something I really don’t like.

I would have made so that late in the game you’ll be able to extract even more resources form a single node.

It’s the side of the game which I hate the most, to cut a production because the map literally runs out of materials.

[primal flicker]

Turbo blend fuel whole ratios led me to use 1920/min sulfur. Plenty left for the rest, I figure. I'm not committed to max nuclear.

[oblique hollow]

1920 is about.... one third?

of all sulfur?

[primal flicker]

Ish? A bit more?

Using the nodes between craters and NF, plus the pure node at North DD. Reserving the rest. And I'm not maxing the nodes I've tapped.

[oblique hollow]

6840 is max sulfur

[primal flicker]

After it's running I'll split some off for ammo things, but I shouldn't really need much of that overall.

[oblique hollow]

sooo 1920 is.... 28.somethinf%

huh... less than one third

[primal flicker]

Yep.

[oblique hollow]

to my knowledge max nuclear uses around one third

[primal flicker]

But I'm using almost all the NS oil 😂

[oblique hollow]

sooo if you dont do max, you likely have enough for other stuff

... like instant scrap lol

[frosty owl]

That Coal usage though ;-;
That's the only thing keeping me from it, as I like to overuse Steel

That's 3 Oil (Electrode) Vs 20 Coal every 60 Scraps

[median heath]

Coke Steel ftw.

[frosty owl]

Still not worth it

[median heath]

Also if you want to reduce Coal usage in Steel--- use Compacted 🙂

[frosty owl]

And that's yet another reason not to use Instant for me :P

[primal flicker]

The numbers are satisfying but the scale is intimidating. Oh well, full speed ahead!

[wind spade]

just go nuclear 😛

[teal oasis]

This was made by someone who couldn't be bothered to rerun the calculations with a manageable amount of machines.

[scarlet wedge]

my new factory

just have to build it now

[tired viper]

Didn't know you could get those on Hard Drives!

Nice

[young coyote]

Inventory slots? Yeah, it's the option that populates when there are no other alternate recipes available at your tier/phase level.

That's how I usually know to stop gathering/researching HDs until I unlock some more products.

[tired viper]

I don't think so, I still have lots of alternative recipes to unlock

[young coyote]

You can only unlock alternates for products that you can currently produce. Are you sure you haven't unlocked everything up to your current tech level?

[wind spade]

but not many recipes in recipe pool

[opal locust]

Working on the math for my first oil refinery setup

[tired viper]

No, because I'm hunting for the Heavy Encased Frame

And hasn't showed up yet

[young coyote]

I could be mistaken; the inventory slots might be part of the "Standard" alternates available, and I simply exhausted mine already, which is why I haven't seen any more.

[snow dove]

i always pick the inventory expansion

[opal locust]

2 normal nodes(240 oil/min) go into 8 refineries(4 plastic/4 rubber) producing 120 heavy oil residue/min. That HOR goes into 3 more refineries to make 360 petroleum coke/min. Which is enough to run 14.4 coal generators?

[tired viper]

"Your contract legally compels you to pick the inventory expansion." "Comply."

[median heath]

Bump it to 300 and the numbers are cleaner.

[snow dove]

how much coke does 1 gen take

[median heath]

25/min

[opal locust]

25 coke/min

[snow dove]

360/25=?

[opal locust]

which means I could run 14 gens and sink the leftover coke, or 15 gens and run the 15th at 40%

[snow dove]

no reason not to do the latter

[deft lichen]

either option works really

you can run up to 14.4 and sink the rest, if any

[median heath]

300 Oil

5 Rubber Refineries @ 100%
5 Plastic Refineries @ 100%

Byproduct HOR routed to
4 Coke Refineries @ 93.75%
Feeds 18 Coal Gens with no waste.

[opal locust]

If I overclock the 2 refineries to 150/min, then that's 10 refineries making rubber/plastic, 150 HOR going into 4 refineries(1 at 75%) to make 450 coke/min. Which is enough to evenly run 18 coal generators.

[median heath]

Takes ~600 MW to jumpstart but produces 1350 MW when you're online, so it is net power INCREASE.

[opal locust]

Or what you just typed out.

[median heath]

Typed? I have that saved to my clipboard given the amount of people I ship it to when they need the basic first setup 😉

That, train throughput equations, the storage list, and how many Parts you need to finish the game are all just a copy/paste away.

[snow dove]

Sev is prepared for any possibility

[median heath]

I used to have 1 more thing copied but Ben made me delete it 😭

[tired viper]

What's the storage list?

[snow dove]

hehe