math-and-meta

[wind spade]

beta 🤷‍♂️

[limber cradle]

if you guys needed 2800 silica per minute, would you use cheap silica or normal silica recipe?

because I just finished building a factory and now i feel kinda silly for running all those limestone nodes up to it

[deft lichen]

that's really up to you

we can't decide for you 😛

[wind spade]

that's a question you need to ask yourself - "am I fine with using limestone for more silica on this project?"

[median heath]

Doesn't matter the number, I'm using Cheap

[limber cradle]

thank you all

second question, about moving all that quartz - from orange to blue area. Is it worth using trains at this distance or not?

[wind spade]

once again it's a question only you can answer 😛

[oblique hollow]

there are no wrong answers

[median heath]

How much per/min are you moving?

[limber cradle]

2800

[median heath]

Train.

[oblique hollow]

other way to formulate this:
do you feel like moving 2800/min quartz via belt would be an efficient usage of your time and of your resources?

[limber cradle]

technically half the belts are already there

[wind spade]

also:
do you feel like moving 2800/min quartz via train would be an efficient usage of your time and of your resources?

[limber cradle]

leftover from the old factory

on the other hand, choo

[oblique hollow]

the choice is yours

choo or no choo

[limber cradle]

sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to design a 6 to 4 balances

knowing that 2 of the inputs are slighty smaller

than the remaining 4

[wind spade]

you could also do a manifold instead

[limber cradle]

I'm not sure it will work given the number of machines

[wind spade]

what's the number of machines?

[limber cradle]

37,333

unless I would give the two smaller inputs to the side with less machines?

[wind spade]

manifold works with any number of machines as long as the belt can keep up with the input amount

if not, just build more manifolds

I'd basically take each belt I have and connect it to exactly as many machines as it can feed

instead of trying to balance it

[limber cradle]

i figured it out

each "weak" row splits in half

and each belt goes to one of the mergers

and then the remaining 4 belts connect to a merger each

[placid lichen]

How am i suppose to do this split?
By split i mean the 400/min and 180/min plastic on 2 different lines.

[wind spade]

manifold

[median heath]

What's your highest belt mk?

[wind spade]

or have X refineries that produce 180 connected to one belt and Y refineries that produce 400 connected to another belt

[placid lichen]

MK3

[median heath]

I'd honestly not build what you're planning until I had the mk4.

[placid lichen]

computer factory

kinda need 50 more for expanded power infastructure

[median heath]

There are like 300 free computers lying on the ground in the world.
Take a lap around the map and you'll be fine 🤷‍♂️

[placid lichen]

alright

[wind spade]

or just build what you're building, it'll help even later 🤷‍♂️

[placid lichen]

didnt build any belts yet so this would be a fitting time to get MK4 beacuse i wouldnt have to replace alot of stuff

[median heath]

My progress through T5-6 is literally T5 Oil Unlock -> T6 Fuel Power + Mk4s

[placid lichen]

same

well uhh previous save

probably gonna do the same here

[median heath]

The moment the drop pod gets back I send it out.

[placid lichen]

e

okay im gonna go look for more computers

[limber cradle]

plastic recipe outputs 20 per minute

just connect 9 of them to whatever needs 180

and the rest to those circuit boards

now, a question

is there any way to make this clog-proof?

[tropic hawk]

If I got a dollar every time someone said this, I would be rich enough to afford the planet

[spring sequoia]

Safest way is connecting to a final refinery that uses all the water for e.g. wet concrete or pure copper.

Otherwise connect the output to input using a VIP, and pray it's stable.

[limber cradle]

vip?

[spring sequoia]

Variable Input Priority junction, look up the pipe guide

[limber cradle]

i think i like the idea of wet concrete

do I just put a pipe that goes up for a while and a ref after that?

[spring sequoia]

Make sure you have enough water input if you dump the output water into concrete.
Otherwise yes just connect to another set of refineries.

[magic island]

another option for the recycled water is coal generators, since you already have the coal/coke on-site

[limber cradle]

you mean to dump all output water into concrete?

[magic island]

one way or another, you need a plan for the recycled water to be consumed

so the two main choices are
A) send it back to the start, with measures in place to ensure it doesn't get clogged up by the fresh water
B) send it to some other production/power plant that consumes that much water

in both cases, you'd also want a smart splitter to send any overflow solid product into a sink

[limber cradle]

would this work?

inverted u shaped pipe would prevent water from going there unless the pipe actually fills up

[magic island]

I wouldn't mix the fresh water with the byproduct water at all tbh

just send 100% of the fresh water to your alumina refineries, and 100% of the byproduct water to your concrete. no need to connect them

[limber cradle]

I don't have enough limestone nearby

maybe package the water and send it forth?

that seems like a good option

its less than 200 oil per minute

[magic island]

it's your call. like I said, the important thing is that you have some kind of plan where all the byproduct water gets consumed, whether it's consumed by concrete or generators or whatever else

[limber cradle]

can you sink packaged water?

[snow dove]

yes

[magic island]

yes.

it's not my top choice for dealing with byproduct water because you don't get anything out of it, but it can be done

[limber cradle]

there is no other option really, because i would be sinking the concrete/copper as well

I may run some refs on just byproduct water i think

[median heath]

VIP is still the simplest option imo 🤷‍♂️

Green = Recycled
Blue = Fresh

[spring sequoia]

If you are already making coke you can burn it in coal gens to get rid of water.

Otherwise you can use it in the oil chain:
Mix with resin to get rubber/plastic/fabric (and sink). You probably get already resin from the HOR alternate which is the most efficient way to make coke

[ember fractal]

VIP, you just put lower priority pipe at higher elevation?

[carmine wigeon]

Yes, more details here:
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/satisfactory_gamepedia_en/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[mint sedge]

If you orient a pipe junction vertically, the lower inputs have priority. Make sure the waste going into the bottom and that will get cleared first.

That's with head lifts being mostly equal. If one pipe has much more head it can get priority despite the junction (that part I don't quite understand yet)

[haughty oasis]

does anyone have an excel sheet for the residual rubber into recycled plastic into recycled rubber via fuel at hand?

[median heath]

Use Tools.

Top pin in this channel, first link.

[haughty oasis]

ok thanks, tried the second one, doesnt work this well for this loop

[median heath]

What's your target amount?

[haughty oasis]

input 1600 crude oil, output max possible rubber

should be 4800 afaik, but i have to calc the steps

[median heath]

1600 is an odd number...

Given oil is in multiples of 300 usually.

[haughty oasis]

ok thanks im stupid, 1800

dont know how i came up with 1600

[median heath]

1800 would max to 5400 Rubber.

Is that the target you want or still 4800?

[haughty oasis]

yes thats the target

[median heath]

I'm going to adjust that target to 5396.625 because it makes the numbers cleaner, I will do screenshots of both to show you why though.

[haughty oasis]

i got it, thank you very much

[median heath]

Adjusted

[haughty oasis]

the tool site is optimal for it

[median heath]

Unadjusted these are infinitely repeating decimals, which aren't possible in the game.

[placid lichen]

Okay so, I currently have a truck station that delivers screws to another truck station.
I need the outputing of the truck station to be about 520/min.
i don't have access to MK5 conveyor belts, but i do have access to MK4.
What do i do?

[median heath]

Double-belt it with mk4s.

[placid lichen]

forgot to mention i dont want to make the output too high.

[median heath]

If the highest you have is mk4, the max throughput of a truck station is 960/min

[placid lichen]

oh wait.

okay 2 mk4's should be fine

im pretty sure the truck will definetly keep up with the output rate.

[median heath]

It can.

If not, add a second one on the opposite side of the route.

[wind spade]

fyi even the "unadjusted" values are very much fine. The imprecision equals to machine stopping once for a second in like several hours, which is nothing. So you don't need to do these adjustments if you don't care about that

[wind spade]

so I just did the math, for 33.3334% machine that needs to be 1/3rd, it equals to 3.5 seconds per hour. Not as low as I assumed but still low enough to be basically moot point for me

[median heath]

On the topic of things that bother me:

We cannot copy/paste Water Extractor settings for some reason...

[limber cradle]

how would you guys divide 38 foundries?

it doesn't divide by any small number other than 2, and 2 results in uneven pairs

[vocal tundra]

Rlly?

[median heath]

Really

[vocal tundra]

Thats wierd

Is it on the qa site?

[median heath]

🤷‍♂️

[wintry aurora]

What do you mean 2 results in uneven pairs?

[ember fractal]

Build 40 foundries, two rows of 20. Underclock some of them as needed.

[median heath]

Build 16 Foundries.
8 @ 2.4
8 @ 2.35

😄

[ember fractal]

Or that, if you have plenty of slugs 👆

[vapid gorge]

Build 69 at 0.72

[bold crypt]

just wondering, are there any websites that have a map where u can see ur factory

[vocal tundra]

Scim

[wintry aurora]

SCIM https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[fierce ruin]

I'm so bad at Math that I can't figure this out lol

Current belt cap is tier 2 belts

[median heath]

What's the end goal?

Like what are you trying to max out?

[fierce ruin]

Rotors

[fierce cypress]

You can use a production calculator like sf tools

[median heath]

You can go to Tools, disable all of the Ore and Fluid inputs, then create a custom input to find what you're looking for:

[fierce cypress]

But the way you’d do it without a calc, is to find the ratio rods for screws to rods, which is 25rods for screws/min to 20 rods /min for 1 rotor constructor, then divide 270 by 45 (20+25), to get your numbers

[barren elm]

Should consider hunting down the Cast Screw recipe too since it eliminates the iron rod -> screw step

It's one of the few alt recipes that outright replace the default one

[vapid gorge]

something something virgin screw user vs chad wire enjoyer?

[barren elm]

Wouldn't the chad here be copper sheets enjoyer?

[vapid gorge]

... possibly... I saw your comment and I'm tired XD

[wind spade]

And then is replaced again as soon as you get steel

[barren elm]

True but in the context of what the OP linked it's a direct replacement

[wind spade]

Which may not be worth the hdd

[limber cradle]

I've finally decided to underclock them all to some weird amount and build three rows of 13

[glacial hemlock]

Rotor is one of the early game item that drives ratio crazy. RIP, in the other hand, is all about integers.

[frosty owl]

Tbf, it's not too crazy... Just need a constructor at 50% (screws) and the ratios are good

[lyric knoll]

stocks are a mess rn

[vapid gorge]

To the 🌙

💎 🫲

[oblique hollow]

more like: to the basement 😂

[magic island]

it's not so much that the ratios are a challenge for rotors (5/9 of your rods become screws, ta-dah), it's just the first major item that doesn't come out in clean numbers from 120 iron.

so in early game, when you might tend to build a single-item factory off of a fully-tapped node, it's the first to throw a wrench at you

[wind spade]

that's game saying "don't expect clean numbers and don't calculate forwards, calculate backwards instead"

[deft lichen]

Hey folks, we're thinking of redoing alt recipe comparisons on the wiki, because we think they don't provide good answers (being hard to read & somewhat biased)

a solution we thought of is to describe the qualities of each recipe in text, so that everyone can draw their own conclusions

it should be easier to understand by newer players, the focus is on them, as it's expected that more experienced players can just do the analysis themselves based on their own needs

with this, the weighted point tables and layout images will be removed

please feel free to share your thoughts on this

[median heath]

Only thing I have for that is try to include a "when combined with" part?
Because that is a key factor in what makes some recipes shine.

[deft lichen]

👍 noted

[wind spade]

I think it would be best to make a thread here

[median heath]

And if the write-up on aluminium is off I will shred it in your dms. 😉

[wind spade]

so people can contribute

[wind spade]

that's the plan. Give description of recipes for educated choices for people. Also a way to answer all those "what is best" questions

[uncut sigil]

Honestly, the tables are useful (to me at least), maybe less so about the WP, but the comparative resource amounts, energy, space, etc.
It would be nice if it was clearer what other recipes are used to calculate those. For the more complex parts there's a lot of what if's going on.
And yes, explaining synergies would be good. Doesn't seem like there's enough emphasis. I have no idea how to make that easy to read though.

[deft lichen]

a problem with the current tables is that they pick 1 ""best"" recipe and then use it everywhere

for example all setups using wire use iron wire

the text summaries should still be clear in what aspects are better/worse

[median heath]

I have no idea how to make that easy to read though

As Baine said, people need to learn to read

[wintry aurora]

I've occasionally had it use two recipies for the same thing, not sure what triggers it.

[uncut sigil]

😛 Well, some horses actually want to drink, let's deal with making it easy for those ones 🙂

[wind spade]

they are not really objective, they don't show the whole picture and hide things like synergies and alternative combinations and in general just look like "comparison of alt recipes" which is wrong way to look at it

[barren elm]

I mean, text would suffer the same problems

[uncut sigil]

Yeah, like I said, the information in the tables is useful, but the more complicated the parts are, the harder to read it is. The computer page made an attempt to include the circuit board recipes, and even that's a little unwieldly already.

[magic island]

One issue I've definitely noticed with the tables is that anything using caterium gets a bit wacky.

All caterium recipes will show up as needing more power consumption, because they use pure ingots as a starting point (since that's the resource-efficient method)

but if you're looking for a power-efficient recipe, you're probably also smelting caterium, not refining it

[wind spade]

text can:

• define conditions under which the recipe is e.g. more power efficient
• state which combinations of recipes lead to which advantage
• still stay objective

[barren elm]

When planning my current base I went out of my way to figure out how to keep building counts down to avoid obvious problems with that, the tables were invaluable in figuring that out even if they aren't fully objective, they still are great info

[deft lichen]

the text can still say "(recipe) saves up on space and power usage [...]"

[wind spade]

for goals like these it's better to use online tools anyway

the recipe descriptions are supposed to give you info about the recipe itself and how it is useful in chains, not for figuring out the best way to do something (with own definition of best)

[deft lichen]

yep, that's definitely a flaw the tables have, but the text hopefully will not

[barren elm]

For sure text would help though, like say the steel recipes, the table isn't going to tell you that you'll probably end up using all 3

[deft lichen]

Thank you all for your input so far 😄

[tired barn]

Hello satisfactory geniuses. I have aquestion for you guys. What do you think the maximum amount of power you can produce is. Pretend you are dedicating all resources to power and do not need to worry about nuclear waste of any kind

[wind spade]

we don't need to think, that's easy math

[tired barn]

easy math huh i do believe you though in all seriousness

[wind spade]

from top to bottom: 630 GW, 560 GW, 150.468 GW, 195.186 GW, 248.801 GW
total: roughly 1784.4 GW or 1.78 TW

[tired barn]

woah

[median heath]

Basically everything below nuke sucks though by that metric.
Because nuclear alone gives you 1.19 TW.
Meaning all other forms of power COMBINED give you 594.4 GW

[tired barn]

is plutoium worth it?

[median heath]

Are you planning to use 1.19 TW somehow?

[wind spade]

if you need the power, sure

[barren elm]

Depends how many lizard doggos you have around

[wind spade]

if you don't need the power (most cases), then it's mostly just "can I build this" challenge

[median heath]

Waste-free nuclear is 630 GW.
So if you can work off that you have no reason to do plutonium.

[woven frost]

Im sorry but,if this is satisfactory tools how did you get the overclocked % to show?

[median heath]

Because he's the one who made it 😉

[woven frost]

Oooohhhhh

[barren elm]

I thought greeny made satisfactory-calculator?

[woven frost]

Wel in that case thank you very much sir

[median heath]

No

[vocal tundra]

Nope that was anthor

[median heath]

Probably a feature he added in the U6 Exp version.

[wind spade]

beta actually

[barren elm]

I swear he used to use this avatar too?

Am I going crazy here or is it all a coincidence

[wind spade]

never lol

[vocal tundra]

We all go crazy here

[woven frost]

Ooohhhh oki anyway thx for making tools it saved me hours

[barren elm]

Wow, whoops

[vapid gorge]

Ah yeah, I was going to make a pdf of that after my final assignment in a couple weeks

[deft lichen]

pdf of the tables or of the text summaries?

[vapid gorge]

Of an entirely new break down of alt recipes based on use case , flexibility - including when chained with other alts

[deft lichen]

please share once you make any progress on that

[vapid gorge]

Oh absolutely - planning on making draft pdf open for public critique by a few folk if you want to be included

[wind spade]

in wiki channel we planned to make a google sheet, maybe we can just do that and make a thread for it?

[vapid gorge]

up to you folks, probably a good file to keep pinned somewhere in discord as well

[deft lichen]

I'll get to it in the morning (~10 hours from now), I can DM the edit link to anyone interested in contributing, edits will then be locked for public viewing

[wind spade]

Alt recipe descriptions for wiki

join thread ^ 🙂

[vapid estuary]

That's long been bugging me; the existing presentation is super biased while pretending to be a neutral study. The analysis of inputs repeats the same assumption, that you are using the "most efficient" choices for inputs.

[versed violet]

I'd prefer to keep the weighted points tables. They show 'the best' resource usage with selected resource weight.
My personal comparison is Combined-MW/part, but WP reflect this pretty well.
Even keeping the tables without weighted points, just showing how many raw resources of each are needed for 60/min is very useful. I like the arrows breakdown.

[magic island]

I would very much disagree that WP reflects combined MW/part.

resource/power efficiency is one of the most common tradeoffs that alts offer, and many of the best WP recipes are power hogs. prioritizing WP (especially in ingot production) inflates power estimates for many recipe chains

[near zenith]

i still appreciate WP in its current form, but only because my build style never takes power into account

so knowing a minimized resource value for an alt can be helpful in planning before i reach full alt endgame status

[versed violet]

It all depends what we optimize for.
Could be least power used OR lest resource used OR least machines/footrint. Would be nice to have table whowing all three opts to pick from.
And then there is a weighted power consumption, where resources get bonus value based on rarity.

[magic island]

Sure, but then you have to modify the entire chain for each priority. IE, "A is the most WP-efficient recipe if you use all THESE steps, while B is the most power-efficient recipe if you use all THESE steps". The current tables don't do that. I don't think you COULD cleanly fit it in a table.

[versed violet]

multiple tables.
or interactive javascript magic that calculates it all based on user selection.

(nah, just 3 images with tabs on top for each option)

would be different paths for different optimizations obviously

[wintry aurora]

Sounds like something that would get unweildly fast.

[versed violet]

would need separate table for each, so x3 times work.

Or maybe greeny adds options to optimize by power and machine number to the default optimize for output and we can just check there?

[wintry aurora]

Are we talking about the same thing as the thread in here is about? Like for the wiki?

[versed violet]

for the wiki, yes.

[mint sedge]

There's an active thread around this subject

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1034942142092689408

[vapid gorge]

That's more about talking about flexibility and use cases for recipes, rather than weighted resources

[mint sedge]

WP has been part of it. I understood the goal of the thread was to come up with a text way that could briefly summarise some key points that the various alt recipes do and how they interact and can be advantages.
Power use is one, buildings space/complexity(?), recourse utilisation is another.

WP was a way of showing the data in an unbiased format, though it's more towards resource utilisation and can be a bit of a greedy algorithm in terms of power, buildings, etc

[wind spade]

for resource weight you can just use

[versed violet]

add power optimization algorithm?

[wind spade]

beta 🙂

however it's a bit broken

and beta will most likely not make it to official version anyway

due to new tools being made

(broken = the power needed for the production is subtracted from total produced power if you produce power)

[versed violet]

In my calculations I just assumed power producing buildings to produce 0MW, to avoid crazy loops.

otherwise you get negative values for plutonium rods and such

[wind spade]

nah I just need to separate "power consumed as goal" and "power consumed as power usage of machines"

as the tools work in a way where every production you set is virtual consumption that needs to be matched with production

so if you say "I want to produce 1000 MW", then the tool assumes "ok he's consuming 1000 MW by default, but all machines also add to that"

[versed violet]

uh, are we speaking about 'find production line that makes X of given item while using the least MW'? underclocking and nuke plants excluded ofc.

thats what I mean by energy optimization.
quite important for early and mid game players, with side effect of reducing building count in many cases.

[mint sedge]

Encased Beams is an interesting one, but also a no-brainer.
The alt uses a lot less steel (around 2/3), but has slower production per assembler. But overall the building count and space works out almost the same. The encased pipe route uses around 14% less power per item as well
Most other alt analyses aren't as clear cut as that

[glacial hemlock]

True, the encased HMF-Encased Pipe combo is one of the no brainer setup

[median heath]

Which is why I am hoping they buff Flexible.

[frosty owl]

It has easy ratios

[glacial hemlock]

Flexible frame, coated cable, coated iron plate, insulated oscillators, etc all need a buff.

[wind spade]

Coated plates are technically very resource efficient

[wind spade]

I'm just saying what the issue is with beta. I know what you mean

[oblique hollow]

WP was a way to display data, but it wasnt a very friendly format.

its a bit too abstract for my taste.

besides, WP skewering only takes resource availability into account, not resource usage

eg: it doesn't care how many recipes need this resource, and how much of the product is then needed later on

[wind spade]

The problem is that not even resource usage can be generalised

[oblique hollow]

i know

which is why WP is ultimately pointless

[wind spade]

Well WP is resource rarity

But yeah it isn't great

[oblique hollow]

resource rarity without usage rarity is ultimately a fruitless act.

"Try to minimize using this resource" when it is rarely used to begin with

anything relating to Limestone WP, for example, is useless as there arent enough recipes that use it and concrete.

it only becomes an issue when theres no limestone near you, else you have dozens of nodes at your disposal in most cases

One thing that might prove useful, however, is local sector WP

[deft lichen]

it was pointed out that while nitrogen is rare, it's pointless trying to conserve it for being rare, because it has no other use than in the recipes that use it

[oblique hollow]

nitric acid cooling systems, fused frames

Turbo pressure with the alt

nitric is used in fused frames and nuclear power

[oblique hollow]

Dumb idea but:
analyze each map grid for resources and assign local WP for that

or analyze 4x4 sectors at once

then, based on where you are, you could make better estimates on which recipe might prove.

downside: you need a calc

@wind spade new idea for satis tools: have a map where you can select a sector and it adjusts resource weights based on that xd

[deft lichen]

a SCIM feature where local WP is calculated from cursor position, with a customizable range/falloff

[oblique hollow]

or that

either way it might be more useful

than global WP

[vapid gorge]

Jesus, and here I thought my spreadsheet that kept running totals of resources used/available by zone was overkill

[glacial hemlock]

Local resource rarity may be irrelevant post trains.

[sharp lion]

I cba to do the math, is it worth it to 250% overclock the oil extractor for fuel power? Or do u use more power than u get from the fuel generators)

[deft lichen]

it definitely is worth, even with default fuel recipes @sharp lion

always better to use heavy oil residue + diluted (packaged) fuel though

[sharp lion]

Thats an alt recipe i assume? Dont have a lot of them yet :/

[deft lichen]

yep, the two I listed quadruple fuel output

[glacial hemlock]

Hard drive hunting worth it. The best time is when you just unlocked jetpack and gasmask, and have bladerunners and bashers equipped. Rifle is optional.

[strong spoke]

Just steal a jetpack from a hog

[deft pike]

I was imagining doing that for awhile, but then I realized that there's still the issue of fueling it. Maybe someone will mod in a compacted coal-fueled jetpack for the hog, though. 😉

[wind spade]

I guess you can already do that manually anyway

well, in beta

[versed violet]

For basic ore types, they are common enough, that a map weighted ratio is sufficient.
For the rare ones, you will get odd results for example in bauxite belt, so I would still stick to global resource weight by rarity.
And by the time you get to bauxite (or caterium), you probably have a distribution network wide enough moving them isn't an issue.

[placid lichen]

so, i have pipes coming out of 29 refineries that make plastic. the pipes merge into 1 main pipe that then goes
to the heavy oil residue refinement part of the factory. The problem is, the main pipe's flow rate is 0 at the beginning of the pipe, and about 100 on the end of the pipe. The flowrate can not be zero beacuse heavy oil residue will clog the refineries.
why is this?
(i would really send a screenshot but cant since theres no images on this channel.)

[oblique hollow]

you can

[wintry aurora]

You can send images in this channel……

[placid lichen]

oh wait

[placid lichen]

lemme do that then

(screenshot is taken at the end of the pipe)

[oblique hollow]

no power

[wintry aurora]

Did you observe it for a bit? Flow rate isn’t constant.

[placid lichen]

hm

[oblique hollow]

no power to pumps = no flow

[placid lichen]

uh

[oblique hollow]

or rather: shitty flow

[placid lichen]

werent unpowered pumps like blockages

[oblique hollow]

why do you have a pump on every pipe

[wintry aurora]

He said 100 at the end though?

[placid lichen]

more exactly 80

81

[oblique hollow]

just remove the pumps and see what happens

[placid lichen]

alr

[wintry aurora]

And yea, you don’t even need pumps here, or valves for that matter.

[placid lichen]

oh well, guess i heard something wrong.
okay lemme see what happens if i remove them.

nothing

[oblique hollow]

flush the pipelines

flush the entire network

[placid lichen]

good idea

[oblique hollow]

btw.... this network is not loop-shaped, right?

[placid lichen]

well its a line + some turns.
so i dont think so.

[oblique hollow]

i mean that its not connected at 2 ends, right

[placid lichen]

nope

[oblique hollow]

right

does the pipe move any higher than it currently is

[placid lichen]

once, but it goes through more refineries which gives headlift.

[oblique hollow]

still, does the pipe itself move upwards

[wintry aurora]

Headlift doesn’t stack, or do suction for that matter.

[placid lichen]

nope

[oblique hollow]

then its not head lift either

only thing left is connection issues.
does it flow now after you flushed it

[wintry aurora]

Maybe better to rephrase it as ‘does it go higher than the refinery’

[placid lichen]

no,
but i did realize the pipes stop flowing when they get full.
the weird thing is there is no clog at the ending of the pipe.

[oblique hollow]

then its a connection issue

one of the pipes looks connected but itsnt

[placid lichen]

lemme try.

also rebild the entire pipe and not just the junctions?

[oblique hollow]

rebuilt the pipes with the bad connections

[placid lichen]

alr

just realized the pipes are changing flow directions like crazy before being fully full.

they stabalize after like 30 seconds tho.

nvm they dont.

[oblique hollow]

yeah thats how pressure does stuff

[placid lichen]

might have the issue i think.

[oblique hollow]

big pipe networks take minutes to fill

[placid lichen]

wait huh?

a pipe just stopped flowing

[oblique hollow]

happens

[placid lichen]

hmm..

[oblique hollow]

will resume "soon"

[placid lichen]

i think theres some problems with flow rate.

huh.

refineries should give headlift.

but this pipe is not flowing

[wintry aurora]

10m, yes.

[placid lichen]

the pipe:

[oblique hollow]

does the refinery empty

[wintry aurora]

Delete and rebuild it, looks like maybe a not quite connected pipe.

[placid lichen]

did that already

[oblique hollow]

does the refinery empty tho

[placid lichen]

some,
my oil splitting might have had an error.
some refineries have almost zero oil.
this might be the reason the network is acting hella weird.

[oblique hollow]

bad input it is then?

[placid lichen]

probably,
im not gonna be sure yet tho.

[wintry aurora]

Sounds like you need to rebuild the network on both sides? Or at least find where the oil stops flowing and check the refineries.

[oblique hollow]

fix input, then check the heavy oil pipes

makes no sense to work on the heavy oil pipes otherwise

[placid lichen]

so now,
how do i efficently split 960 mil/min from 1 pipe?

[oblique hollow]

you dont

[placid lichen]

also to 29 refineries.

[oblique hollow]

960 m³/min from one pipes is a no go

[wintry aurora]

You don’t, the max is 600 anyway, and it’ll flow where it can, it’s not like be,the.

[placid lichen]

so i gotta use 2 pipes?

[oblique hollow]

if you dont have mk 2, you will need more

[wintry aurora]

So, that’s probably the start of the issue.

[oblique hollow]

ignored the pipe limit?
did you even know they had a limit?

[placid lichen]

did.

[oblique hollow]

then why ask if you can split 960 from one pipe

[wintry aurora]

^

[oblique hollow]

you know the pipe speed, you should know the answer

[placid lichen]

honestly,
i was kinda ignorant when i started building this.
didnt end well as you can see.

alright got an idea to fix this now.

[oblique hollow]

then apply the hindsight and work out the issue.
better late then never

its the best step towards better factories

[fervent imp]

so question. t3miner says can overclock to 1200... but seems best conveyer is 780? so clocking over that is pointless, yes?

[glacial hemlock]

True.

[fervent imp]

thanks 🙂 not quite there yet but planning for upgrades, making sure i've enough smelters when planning this one 🙂

[barren elm]

And it doesn't even really move 780 per min either so

It's more like 750

Worth keeping in mind depending on what you're building

[wind spade]

The miner does make 780

[barren elm]

Sure the miner makes 780 but you can't get 780 out of it

[wind spade]

You can

[barren elm]

Don't say it

[wind spade]

Why not?

[barren elm]

Because it's madness

[wind spade]

It's not. 780 is possible normally

What you are probably talking about is the issue that affects belt to belt connections, which makes them lose max throughput

[barren elm]

Wait so if you belt from a miner to, say, an in industrial container, that industrial container is going to gain 780 ore per min?

[wind spade]

But if you connect a single segment belt to a miner and put it into a splitter or anything other than a belt, then you'll get 780 without issue

[barren elm]

So long as there's only 1 belt piece between the entities?

[wind spade]

Yeah

[barren elm]

Wow, good to know

[wind spade]

Also the loss is kinda dmall, so a two segment belt will probably still be around 780, e.g. 778. However this depends a lot on fps, player movement and hardware, so it's hard to estimate

But if you do single-segment belts only (at least those thah need to be at 780), you should be fine

[barren elm]

Whenever it's discussed on reddit I see people swear blind that it won't go higher than 720

There's so much misinformation about it

[wind spade]

Because they assume belts work fine and it's the miner that is broken

Also the issue is related to all belts, not just mk5

Just on other belts it's not as big

[vapid gorge]

Yeah reddit is less organised and a lot easier for misunderstandings to propagate

I think ages ago it was thought to actually have item lost on the belt until people started testing it in here.

[torn valley]

Oh... Good to know that

[deft lichen]

belt throughput loss has been extensively tested in a "Belt-to-belt bug testing" thread here

quickly looking through there, the highest measured loss was 3%, other results were around 1.2% and 0.25%

even with the highest loss, 760/min should still be safe

[placid lichen]

okay, so i have a computer factory that makes 10/min of computers.
should i make the manufacteres split into 2 so i can do 5/min computers and 5/min super computers?
if not, should i just build another 10/min computer factory dedicated to super computers?

[wind spade]

also depends on number of segments

[wind spade]

make as many computers as you need right now for building stuff
make separate computers as part of any future production

[sullen mulch]

how does the water work here in the desert, I need to get down 160 water extractors but don't want to hit the fake water

[deft lichen]

take an extractor and check where it lets you 🤷

160 is a lot

[sullen mulch]

yeah can do, just looking to save time

and it's for my nuclear setup

unless i oc the water extractors then i can do 64

[vestal kraken]

I want new power and if i use 1 full oil node making 600 oil per minute. If i use the recipe to make heavy oil residu and polymer i should get 800 heavy oil residu per minute (20 refineries using 30 oil and making 40 heavy oil). Then i want to use the alternate for fuel with blenders (50 heavy oil residu + 100 water pm) so 800:50 = 16 blenders making 100 fuel pm. so 1600 fuel per minute. The wiki says 1 burner needs 12 fuel per minute. so 1600:12 = 133.33333. 133.333 burners doesnt really sound right to me but im sure i did the maths right. Or is it normal to need so many burners?

[wind spade]

yes, fuel power is mostly just "spam fuel gens"

[median heath]

600 oil with Diluted will feed 133.3333333 Fuel Generators, yes.

And you don't need that many generators.
You are choosing to supply that many by choosing to use all 600 oil.

You want less? Choose how many generators you want and solve backwards.

@vestal kraken

[vestal kraken]

yea i know but we want as much power and we have 1 oil node to use thats close

time to collect those damned heavy frames

[cerulean lintel]

Luckily laying out the gens is easy

Piping takes a bit

[vestal kraken]

we are at tier 8 and our aluminimum factory was done earlier than copper

dont ask us how

our copper factory made a few cables pm

[placid lichen]

wait, is geothermal just free energy that you can get by placing the generators?

[wary tulip]

Yup. But it varies. So make sure to have batteries to cushion the flow.

[wind spade]

or just use the lowest

[bold crypt]

random thought

if i built my water extractors higher than my entire factory, would I need to add water pumps to the pipelines ?

[deft lichen]

nope

they just need to be level or within 10 meters, not necessarily above

[bold crypt]

oh okay

cuz i built my extractors in that little crater on top of the mountain in the desert

[placid lichen]

are manifolds viable only when your factory has overflow or just produces at 100% efficiency?

[median heath]

I don't understand "or just produces at 100%"

Why would you ever intentionally have a factory not operating at 100% efficiency?

@placid lichen

To your original: manifolds are always viable.

[placid lichen]

alr

[median heath]

Very confused though.

[wind spade]

no matter if you build balancers or manifolds, the factory will eventually work at same %

[glacial hemlock]

Let's say the supply is 80%, and there are 10 machines demand it.
balancer will make 10 machines all run at 80%
Manifolds will make the first 7 machines at 100%, the 8th at 50%, and the last 2 machines at 25% each.
At the end, still 80% output.

[median heath]

Why is supply at 80%?

[snow dove]

example

[glacial hemlock]

The only use case where balancer is useful is when you just kickstarted the uranium power and want to spin up many nuclear reactors quickly.

[median heath]

Example of intentionally building wrong?

[snow dove]

it’s just an example of how manifolds distribute items

saying they’d all end up at 100% doesn’t really describe it that well

[glacial hemlock]

If supply meets demand, then there is no point arguing the difference between manifold and balancer. They are the same picture.

[median heath]

Exactly.

And the person with the original question mentioned something about that and never explained why supply would be less.

[wind spade]

If supply meets demand, then there is no point arguing the difference between manifold and balancer. They are the same picture eventually

[glacial hemlock]

I would say many new players build the ratio wrong. And even veteran faces this issue at times, but not bother to solve the supply as they are focusing something else. Become prominent when the demand consist of different types of items.

[median heath]

What ratio?

You need 120/min. Make 120/min.

Use the exact numbers. No ratios required.

[glacial hemlock]

Correct. This holds true if the player know there exist a calculator out there. There is still a majority don't know calculator existed.

[median heath]

Huh?

What would it become false if people don't know about Tools?

All Tools does it speed up doing your own math.
If it didn't exist, the ability to use exact numbers doesn't evaporate.

[magic island]

whether you use a balancer or a manifold, you should be ensuring that the input matches/exceeds consumption

they're just different styles of distribution, you have to set up the input production and clock speeds correctly either way

with a balancer you would have to set all the machines to the same clock speed, whereas with a manifold you can have different speeds if you like. but you still need to tune them right. in either case, if the machines aren't running at 100% efficiency you messed something up

[barren elm]

They're the same style of distribution really

A manifold is effectively saying "Instead of measuring out the inputs to get the exact outputs, I'm going to cram the whole system full of items so that the outputs only take what they need"

[silent shoal]

Hello,
Is there anyone here who can help me with a complex project related to oil and fuel?
I'm new to the game...and I still don't quite understand everything

If you can connect to voice chat and I'll make share screen, it will really make it easier to explain and really help me!

[median heath]

If you're new to the game I wouldn't dive straight into "complex projects".
Do simpler setups to understand how they work.

[silent shoal]

Oops😅 I think?
I'm in the middle of () 8 and I'm building a power plant at first it was much smaller and now I've really enlarged it and I have a problem that the numbers I thought are not what actually come out and I have problems with the system

I'm in the middle of Tier 8 and I'm building a power station... at first it was much smaller and now I've really enlarged it and I'm having a problem.
The numbers I calculated are not what actually come out and I have problems with the system

[snow dove]

do simple stuff, do stuff that is less simple, repeat till you are comfortable with complex stuff.

[median heath]

What did you calculate?

?

[silent shoal]

ok soo...
I have 3 rows of Refineries in each row there are 20 Refineries.
2 rows receive 600 m^3 of oil per minute (each row separately.)
These 2 lines produce Rubber and Heavy Oil Residue.
The rubber is currently going straight to the AWESOME Sink
And the Heavy Oil Residue leaves each Refinery in pipe mk1 and connects to the "main" pipe mk2 from there to 3 Industrial Fluid Buffer and from there to the Fuel Generator

[median heath]

And the Heavy Oil Residue leaves each Refinery in pipe mk1 and connects to the "main" pipe mk2 from there to 3 Industrial Fluid Buffer and from there to the Fuel Generator

Problem A: Using Fluid Buffers
Problem B: Trying to put HOR into Fuel Generators.

@silent shoal

[silent shoal]

So the first problem.

1. If 1200 oil goes into 40 machines, 800 Heavy Oil Residue should come out.
   This means that 13.3333 machines are needed to turn the Heavy Oil Residue into fuel. I am currently running 13 and there is a situation where they lack Heavy Oil Residue to work

[median heath]

Are you trying to run 800 through 1 pipe manifold?

[silent shoal]

I turn the HOR into fuel before...

[median heath]

You didn't say that, how am I supposed to know?

[vocal tundra]

Mind reading of course

People seem to think we all have that

[silent shoal]

@median heath Look at the last 2 lines...

[silent shoal]

You're right 😅 I'll connect it from the other side

[median heath]

And the Heavy Oil Residue leaves each Refinery in pipe mk1 and connects to the "main" pipe mk2 from there to 3 Industrial Fluid Buffer and from there to the Fuel Generator

The last lines.
Where does it say "And then I convert it into Fuel"
?

Also seriously, lose the IFBs.

[snow dove]

Sev you should just read his mind and understand he’s processing it into fuel smh

[vocal tundra]

Exactly right

[cerulean lintel]

I use ifbs for trains on liquids that's it

[vocal tundra]

Yes

[median heath]

Fluid Trains is the non-aesthetic use for fluid buffers.

[vocal tundra]

(And decoration for me)

[snow dove]

What recipe(s) produces the most plastic or rubber?

[median heath]

Recycled Loop

[snow dove]

What alts would that require?

[median heath]

Recycled Alts for both, Diluted Fuel, HOR

[snow dove]

Idk if i have the former, ik i have the latter two

Thanks

[cerulean lintel]

It's also the most fun way to do it

The trick is learning to love the refinery

[snow dove]

what would the split be for oil to fuel, then oil to plastic/rubber?

assuming a 50/50 split of rubber to plastic?

[median heath]

Using Tools is the simplest way to answer that question.

[snow dove]

90 oil for rubber/plastic
3.75 oil to HOR for diluted fuel

60 plastic
60 rubber

Using HOR produced from rubber to plastic for diluted

@snow dove

[median heath]

Did you just @ yourself?

😂

[snow dove]

so i can do “mentions: iroh” to find it again

[median heath]

Also the HOR alt recipe is key to making this whole system work.

[vocal tundra]

Or screenshot it lmao

[snow dove]

i’m on mobile rn so i can’t save it in notes

[snow dove]

yeah i’m using that

[median heath]

So then you should never have "HOR produced from Rubber"

[snow dove]

i’m using the direct oil to rubber/plastic recipe for the first step

wait

could i use the rubber/plastic made to fuel the other materials recycled recipe?

I COULD! then i just make HOR to diluted, then just saturate the system to begin with

then the extra half is just sent wherever i need it

[median heath]

Why?

[snow dove]

that would use 22.5 oil instead of 93.75

[snow dove]

because i didn’t realize there was a better option

also by “i’m using” i meant for the math i did

wait no, it would be 45 oil instead of 93.75 cause i’m getting half the product

[median heath]

Correctly done Recycled Loop is 1:3 Oil to Product

[snow dove]

oh i am wrong then, my ratio would be 3/4 ratio

45 oil to 30 plastic 30 rubber

sigh i’ll just use tools when i get back to my Pc

[silent shoal]

Why get rid of the IFBs?

[median heath]

They cause problems.

[silent shoal]

Is there no way to use them so that everything will work?

[median heath]

Well... specifically they either cause problems or do literally nothing.
They are never helpful unless you're using Fluid Trains.

[glacial hemlock]

A fluid buffer is just a larger pipe. They do nothing other than storing the early tier 5 HOR that you need to flush them down into drains.

[median heath]

???????

Why would you store it?

[glacial hemlock]

Store HOR, then flush

[median heath]

Why?

[glacial hemlock]

Because just unlocked tier 5 and not enough hard drive

[median heath]

HOR > Coke
Put in Coal Gens = Free MW.

No hard drive needed.

300 Oil

5 Rubber Refineries @ 100%
5 Plastic Refineries @ 100%

Byproduct HOR routed to
4 Coke Refineries @ 93.75%
Feeds 18 Coal Gens with no waste.

600ish MW to run, 1350 MW produced.

Free power.

If you want to skip the power, HOR > Coke then sink it.
No buffers, no flushing.

[silent shoal]

@median heath so far so good, Thanks!

[median heath]

👍

[silent shoal]

The most efficient method to turn oil into electricity is with a blender?

[snow dove]

Diluted recipe, in either blender or refinery

[silent shoal]

How can I get this recipe?

[snow dove]

Hard drives

[silent shoal]

yes but it gives a random recipe every time...

Can anyone tell me why it doesn't show me where I need to connect the next pump?
I use the MK2 pump and it doesn't show me the location but when I use the MK1 pump it shows...

[sand epoch]

Logically it won't show if it's not within the span it has access to...

Mk2 IS 2.5x a mk1 for distance :/

[wind spade]

The pool it chooses from depends on your progress, so if you pick the alts you need as soon as they are in the pool, you can keep it small and therefore chance for getting the recipe large

[silent shoal]

If I connect the second pump where it is needed, it shows me where the next pump is needed, the question is why with the first pump it does not show....

[frosty owl]

You might need to either power it or have some fluid go through (pipe not empty). Possibly both

[silent shoal]

So just try and get the recipe? Is there maybe a way to increase the chance that it will be the recipe I need?

[frosty owl]

You can only avoid reducing it further by unlocking more milestones/making the pool bigger

[silent shoal]

I don't think so... In the pictures I sent, there are the 2 pumps for the mk1, it shows the next connection point, and for the mk2, it's just a ring as far as it goes, but in the end there is no automatic connection point, but if I put it roughly by eye (and check the head lift, it's normal) In the following pumps it gives me the location automatically

[silent shoal]

Are there enough hard drives on the map to use them for the necessary crafting and for all the recipes? Or is there a situation where you can get stuck?

[frosty owl]

There's a few more than needed (probably placeholders for the future)

[silent shoal]

So I can get stuck without some🥲

[frosty owl]

If you don't callect all hard drives, you might not get all the recipes

[frosty owl]

I'm not sure I've been clear enough: there are more hard drives than there are alt recipes

[silent shoal]

Ok but with the future I will need more and I won't have it? Isn't it better to prioritize?

[frosty owl]

I don't get what you mean

[barren elm]

You're misunderstanding

There are more hard drives on the map than you need

[lyric bloom]

even if this was eventually true, you can only choose wisely from the three options available anyway. you drive it towards a less desirable pool of available recipes each time you pick one. 😏

[silent shoal]

I found on YouTube an option where you can save the game before the research and if I don't like the result you can load the appropriate save and then it will change, I haven't checked yet

[lyric bloom]

absolutely true, but wasting time imo. could have collected another drive or two in that time and you'd have had the factory production progress from that time.

[silent shoal]

My intention is that in case they add more recipes or things that can be done with the hard drive, I will be in trouble if I use all the hard drives that I currently can

[lyric bloom]

that's a long ways off, and seems unlikely. i'd advise to just play.

[silent shoal]

I work from the computer, If the game is open and I log in every 10 minutes it won't bother anyone🤪

[lyric bloom]

no production when you keep resetting...

just grab a machete, head into the jungle, and collect some drives.

[frosty owl]

As weasel said, I think that is nothing to worry about.
Imo, the current "extra" drives are placeholders for future recipes. If they happened to not be enough, CSS would just add more (as they already did in the past) so that we have at least as many HDDs as alt recipes

[lyric bloom]

(maybe get some blade runners first.)

[silent shoal]

Oh ok thanks guys

[placid lichen]

quick question, do trains have to have a sort of loop to operate?
shapes like these and not a straight line:

[glacial hemlock]

If they add more recipes, they will also add more hard drives. This trend can already be seen past updates. Originally there are only 67 drives, but now, much more.

[glacial hemlock]

Either loop or single line. The design is flexible. If you want fault proof, i highly suggest all train lines to be separated without any intersection

[lyric bloom]

no - it can be a straight line of you have an engine at both ends (facing opposite directions)

[placid lichen]

Also would this work?
(engine on only one side)

[frosty owl]

Only with trains carrying only 1 kind of item. The train would dock at the station with one side facing "forward", then with the opposite side in the next run and so on...

[lyric bloom]

well, 1 car can't load from more than 1 station without being emptied first. it could have a bunch of stops doing various pickups and dropoffs, or it could use different cars in the same train to collect and/or drop off from multiple stations.

now, these are all possibilities - the simpler, the better. if you intend to have more than one train on a track, then keeping things exceedingly simple is advised.

[frosty owl]

I'm saying that if the cars carry different items between them, one will find the wrong item being unloaded somewhere as the train keeps switching the end it docks with (given that rail setup)

[lyric bloom]

well, no - i'm assuming the line at the bottom is not a dead end as they said it's only an engine on one side, so it won't be switching directions.

(but your point of having a train visit the same station from different directions easily causing problems is certainly valid.)

wait - no. visiting a station in reverse won't let it be recognized as a stop. never mind. 😜

[frosty owl]

Admittedly, I didn't consider the possibility of there being a loop at the bottom part of the railway

[lyric bloom]

well, it's not shown, so...

[frosty owl]

I shouldn't have excluded that possibility. Bad assumption on my part

[lyric bloom]

help chats are just guessing right

[wind spade]

I'm pretty sure they would add more drives if they add more alts

[noble spindle]

hey, so I made a plan for a network of how I would connect all the resources in my explored area. My idea is to have localised factories in green to make low tier items which would be distributed around the world. mid and high tier factories arent shown but would connect to the network, but for now everything shown just leads into the yellow pentagon. Was wondering if this is a good idea or not

[uncut sigil]

I trying to do something similar with my game. My planning isn't anywhere near as organised though.
Whether it's a good idea probably depends on whether your computer can take it. I think it's a fun idea though 🙂

[wind spade]

I'm not sure if centralised approach like that is the best, but it's your save 🤷‍♂️

[deft lichen]

this doesn't seem centralized 🤨

[wind spade]

... for now everything shown just leads into the yellow pentagon.

[deft lichen]

a central hub/storage system for building resources and ammunition is still reasonable

[wind spade]

unless the pentagon is just storage 🤷‍♂️

[deft lichen]

this would effectively be the most ideal "no megafactory" layout, because everything is an outpost

[frosty owl]

I like to think that the "most ideal" would process the bulk of low-tier items close to all the way up to their final form "locally" (close to where the ore is taken). So that factories would output as much finished product as possible and as little mid-low tier products as possible (ideally, none)

[deft lichen]

good point

[wind spade]

yeah, no need to transport mid-tier products if you can process them to final one instead

[deft lichen]

late game part factories can still be like a black box that does ore -> final result with no other part input

if all factories are ore->product, then the factories have to be placed in locations where all the required ore is nearby

I guess that's feasible if the entire map is covered

[vapid gorge]

Depends if you want to do a lot of logistic management and tons of trains station - if yes? sure.

I like building items to a high as tier as possible before moving them around. Saves a lot on planning and easier to be resource efficient

[noble spindle]

Yea I don’t mind having trains everywhere, the idea with the green areas is to condense the raw resources as much as possible with what is available in the red zones before its sent off

If I were to have them output higher tier items then I’ll need an entire extra system to get the resources they need

[wind spade]

I'd plan for a product that requires the ores that are nearby, that way you can send out final product rather than mid-game items

[vapid gorge]

It's less 'having them everywhere' and more that it takes a LOT of planning to have a flexible train station network being able to feed new factories. Gotta make your train stations modular and expandable which terrain may not really help with and can often make factories look less nice and more hodge podge

[frosty owl]

Eg: all the bauxite could be turned into ingots before shipment outside of the red forest, using local coal nodes

[vapid gorge]

It'd doable - just a lot of work

[vapid gorge]

That's a funny way to spell 'oil'

[frosty owl]

Depends on what recipe one wants to use. Oil isn't aviable in the red forest iirc

[uncut sigil]

What I am mostly doing is looking what the limiting resources is, and seeing if I can get it elsewhere. E.g. you can make a lot more HMF out of a steel location if you import the MF from an iron focused area.

[deft lichen]

yeah bauxite and oil are maybe an exception, I don't think it'd be practical to have miniature aluminum/oil plants everywhere

[noble spindle]

I don’t expect each factory in each area to be huge since its limited by the few nodes there

With aluminium that would all be done in the red bamboo fields

[frosty owl]

Miniature oil no (oil is more compact as oil than plastic/rubber), but miniature allu can make sense if you have the stuff aviable. Baux to ingots is 1:1, if you also have materials to process further then you can further cut down the item/min you output

[noble spindle]

My idea originally was to have a wide selection of mid tier items available at any point along the world railway line, but as I planned it I might have to make adjustments. Tho for now im putting small factories around the world to condense local resources

[frosty owl]

Some items are no-brainers for "condensation of resources". Notable examples:
Caterium Ore - > Caterium Ingots
Iron - > RIP or higher
Iron+Coal - > Steel - > Beams/Pipes
Limestone - > Concrete
Copper - > Copper Powder
Bauxite - > Alu ingots or higher
... And so on

Examples of things that are bad/terrible for this are:
Copper Ore - > Copper Ingots (excluding standard recipe)
Any screw-like item (screws, wire, quickwire, alu scraps)
Iron Ore - > Iron Ingots (excluding standard recipe)
All the latter ones increase the amount of items you'd have to move as output compared to the input

[noble spindle]

ah this is wonderful, thanks! I'll work through the top ones and if theres room then I may add those last ones to the network

[frosty owl]

Btw, I mentioned "iron to RIP" because that can be an iron-only process

[silent shoal]

Question...if I don't pick up things that have fallen on the map, can it cause problems in the future? Because they don't seem to go away...
And do you perhaps know a site for factory planning?
You can also do calculations and all kinds of things like that...

[deft lichen]

everything you do adds up and eventually makes the game lag, so yes (dropped items never despawn)

for planning https://u6.satisfactorytools.com/production

[snow dove]

correct

[silent shoal]

Is there a way to locate all the items?
And thank you for the planning site

[glacial hemlock]

Satisfactory interactive map.
Moreover, the early you pickup those the more useful they are. (For example, picking up RIP at tier 0 is more useful compared to, let's say, at Tier 5).

[silent shoal]

The problem here is that I can't see things that I threw for example...

[hushed hinge]

is this right for an 8 tier manifold? this is how i have my coal gen setup and it keeps running out of coal in the bottom 2 gens.
1/2
1/4
1/8
1/16
1/32
1/64
1/128
1/256

[median heath]

Manually put a stack in the last 2 so the system is refilling them.

Always prefeed your manifolds.

[hushed hinge]

i don't think it's enough. the material doesn't go up. it goes down as it's running.

[median heath]

The final 2 will never "go up"

They will stay even.

[hushed hinge]

i let it get up to about 50 and turned it on and it burned it all off

[median heath]

Then you aren't supplying enough to the system.

[silent shoal]

Is it possible to make a link between all production lines? (as in the picture but it will be automatic)?
(I entered the Alumina Solution input manually...)

I want everything to be in sync

[median heath]

Is every gen prior to the last 2 completely full?

[hushed hinge]

i'm running 120 compacted coal to 8 gens.

[median heath]

Is every gen prior to the last 2 completely full?

[hushed hinge]

yes both are at 100

[median heath]

How are you describing 6 generators as "both"?

[hushed hinge]

hang on...what's that site where i can pull up my save? scim or something like that. ill show you what i've got to make it easier

[median heath]

It's in-game and you press P to take a screenshot.

[hushed hinge]

no. not that. hang on one second i figured out what i was referring to. just have to figure out how to pull up my save file on the computer itself

[median heath]

There's a 90% chance I will not be able to read the image you're about to post here.

[hushed hinge]

sorry i'm back. i just broke discord for a moment lol. ctrl r instead of win r.

[median heath]

See, the only thing I can tell from that image is you lied about it being 8 gens.

There is no other information I can get from it.

[hushed hinge]

so as you can see it's a 32 gen system. but 16 don't have belts run to them so that they don't actually do anything yet.

i also don't have 8 of them turned on so they are filled with coal but they aren't ready to be turned on yet.

if you think of the image as rotated so they are vertical. 16 on the left. 16 on the right.

the top 4 on the left and the top 4 on the right are the one's i'm trying to power.

the way i've got it designed is as a 4 belt load balancer set up to 4 separate manifolds. each only feed 8 generators. you can see the bypass in the middle.

but if i'm right the top 4 gens only receive coal 1/128 and 1/256. i'm trying to figure out how to reduce these numbers. i thought about doing a load balancer leading to 8 manifolds of only 4 gens. but i don't know if i have the room so i'm looking for another option. and the more i type in this the more i realize i'm in the wrong group for this

[wary tulip]

What belt speed are you using? I can feed 15 with one belt.

[hushed hinge]

i'm only on mk2 at the moment

i'm using compacted coal as well

[wary tulip]

Ah ok. I don’t use compacted coal. I know I can feed 5 gens with one belt at T2. Soft now you will have to split them up more to feed them.

[hushed hinge]

so i have a 4 belt load balancer to 8 manifolds. the only other way i can evenly do it is to reverse it to an 8 belt load balancer to 4 manifolds

this is what i was worried about...the last ones are getting so little they aren't going to be able to keep up

[vapid gorge]

Manifolds takes some time to spin up to full speed my dude.
If you want to avoid this you can go around and hand fill the machines before you turn it on

[hushed hinge]

think i have a solution. just an insert kind of thing

[hushed hinge]

it's starting to get there but i only have 8 of them running and the current setup was supposed to be for 16

i produce 120 compacted coal per minute.

[vapid gorge]

shrug like I said, if you don't like the spin up time just cram stacks of material in by hand first

[hushed hinge]

i'm not worried about the spin up time. i am having trouble getting the coal to go up. it's going down

[vapid gorge]

going down?

[hushed hinge]

im an idiot i know why

it's not the manifolds. it's my sulfur node. it's a normal. i'm going to have to go overclock it.

instead of producing 120 compacted coal per minute i'm only producing 60

[vapid gorge]

that'd do it

[deft lichen]

you can't link the tabs, but I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish with this?
the satisfactory interactive map that kwjcool mentioned is https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map, you can upload your save there

[silent shoal]

Something like that...
Could there be a slight deviation in this calculator?

[deft lichen]

why are you trying to make alumina solution as the final product?

explain what your inputs are and what are you trying to make

[silent shoal]

Just trying to figure out how it works based on what I built

[silent shoal]

I have an unstable aluminum production line and I wanted to try to use a calculator to fix it.
The input at the beginning is this
Bauxite 480 per minute
Water 480 per minute (and there is what comes out of the production Aluminum Scrap)(I know it's not good and unstable but that's why I want to try using a calculator)

[median heath]

Which aluminium alts do you have?

[silent shoal]

what is alts?

[median heath]

@deft lichen help...
Brain.. hurts..

[wind spade]

alternate recipes

[median heath]

I wouldn't personally care about making it stable until you have the alternate recipes as those will be your permanent setup.

[silent shoal]

I understand, this production line is indeed temporary, but I wanted to do a test on the calculator and try to see how it works...

[wind spade]

no, you can't link between tabs. You need to disable bauxite in this case, otherwise it uses all the bauxite on the map

[silent shoal]

because here it is limited (to 480 pre min) if I create another recipe which uses bauxite it will cause problems because of the limitation I made?

[wind spade]

I'm not sure what do you mean?

create another recipe?

[silent shoal]

Regardless, I understand why it's a problem...
If I limit something, let's say water, and then use it for 2 different production lines, it divides the water without being able to change how much water there really is in each production line

I ran what I currently have according to the calculator and we'll see what happens in a few minutes

[wind spade]

that's why if you want multiple things, you make multiple tabs

[silent shoal]

Yes thank you!
Question Why doesn't the calculator use all the materials?

[wind spade]

if you put multiple maximises into the tool, it will make same number of each product

ideally you shouldn't use maximise and use items/min mode

also, the green boxes are "products", those are what you requested. So they won't be used in future productions

[median heath]

These are the only 2 end products you're making.

Take the other 3 out because maximizing them is irrelevant.

[wind spade]

you only should put those items in the tool, that you want to have produced as final products

[silent shoal]

So if I want to use 100% of what I can get then the best way is to do a calculation for everything basic like Aluminum Ingot and after that put it in storage and from there for further production and there already write the amount of Aluminum Ingot I have? Let's say like here 480 per minute

[median heath]

No.

[wind spade]

• figure out what items you need for building and progression
• put those items into the tool

[median heath]

If you want 100% of what you can get, stop calculating intermediate products.
Let the tool do the calculating for you, because that's why you're using it in the first place.

Put in final product and let the tool do what it is programmed to do.

[wind spade]

you don't really need ingots for anything, so why would you want to have them produced?

[silent shoal]

I want to do everything max out...
use all the resources on the map for production.
And all the excess (all kinds of things I don't need) will go to AWESOME Sink

[median heath]

Put in final product and let the tool do what it is programmed to do.

[wind spade]

fair warning: using every last piece of ore for production is almost impossible due to pc limitations

[uncut sigil]

If you really really want to max awesome sink production:

• assume you'll eventually grab all the hard drives and alts
• maximise Assembly director systems
• balance that ADS number with resources needed to power all that
• use any remainder for thermal propulsion rockets
  (Caveat: I am not convinced that's a fun way to play)

There used to be a plan linked on the wiki, but I think that's a few versions out of date now.

[wind spade]

• see that it takes thousands of buildings
• get burned out
• figure out that even after building 1/5th of that your game runs at 10 fps
• give up
• plan for reasonable numbers instead

[near zenith]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/production?share=EBJGbHYfLv6RjuGqBy0g

thats the wiki max awesome sink plan

its... not nice

[wind spade]

and not correct

these are max sink points numbers with 100 GW excess power for miners and trains and stuff

[near zenith]

intriguing, someone should tell them wiki folk that the numbers they have are wrong

[uncut sigil]

I don't think it's even linked on the wiki anymore, at least I can't spot it.

I am more intrigued by the fact that greeny is apparently maintaining a version but not releasing it to the public.

[wind spade]

it's "public" beta

[vocal tundra]

K

[near zenith]

oh, i made that one manually back in the day when i was crazy about what i wanted to try in the game

i keep it in sftools as a reminder to never, ever, ever do that

[deft lichen]

They rebalanced some sink points in U6 so that's entirely possible

[near zenith]

side note from greeny reserving power for transpo, is there any good metric that would hold for item production vs required power? like, you can account for building power already, but what about any form of generalized transpo costs via train, pump needs, or hypertube coverage?
I think it might be possible if the player were allowed to select node locations to get raw materials from, which might be used to give estimates on distances covered and relative heights for water in the local area

[median heath]

If power is a factor in your decision-making...

[near zenith]

math theorycrafting, not world building opinions

[wind spade]

it kinda is in talks about maximising points

[median heath]

Biomass burners 😉

[placid lichen]

im pretty sure there is a miscalculation here

[deft lichen]

How so?

13 at 100% and 1 at 33.3333%

[placid lichen]

it rounds up to 800

weird

it seems i cant split it?

[deft lichen]

I didn't use alts in my U1 & U2 playthroughs, for some reason I thought that they could reappear in the HDD choice, which entirely discouraged me from HDD hunting

[deft lichen]

It's up to you to figure out the logistics

[placid lichen]

by cant split it i mean literally cant split it

[deft lichen]

It doesn't say merge everything first

[placid lichen]

been on this for like 30 minutes and decided to commit chat

[deft lichen]

Are the constructors in a manifold?

[placid lichen]

input or output

output no

i have 13 constructors on 60
and 1 on 20

[deft lichen]

There's multiple ways to approach this

A half of that setup is 6 100% constructors, ½ of a 100% constructor and ½ of the 33.3% constructor

Alternatively, you can build one more constructor to have two sets of 6x100% + 66.6666%

[placid lichen]

okay found a solution

12 constructors at 100% (making 60)
and 2 constructors at (funny number here) (Producing 40)

[magic island]

could do it with 14 constructors. 6x60 + 1x40 = 400. and do that twice

or with 13, you could put the "odd" constructor smack dab in the middle and immediately split it, so half merges with the left 6 and half merges with the right 6

[placid lichen]

yo

we did the same solution
Nice.

[deft lichen]

Yeah, that's my "alternative" solution (the second I mentioned)

Sorry if that wasn't clear

Unless I did the math wrong

I did 🤦‍♂️ corrected now

[silent shoal]

What is meant by U1 and U2?
I see a lot of people use this term

[deft lichen]

Update 1 and Update 2

U* refers to major updates and T* to tiers

[barren elm]

Always gets me since people use the same acronym for the engine its built on

U5 is on U4 but maybe in the future U7 could be on U5

[median heath]

Every time I have talked about or seen people talk about Unreal Engine it is always UE(Number)

So U7 could be on UE5, but I highly doubt it.

[deft lichen]

It's Unreal Engine, not just Unreal, I haven't seen U* used for the engine

[barren elm]

You've never seen their logo?

But yeah UE4/UE5 is common too

[wintry aurora]

Here though, it's better to use UE when referring to the engine since U# has been used for the large updates.

[latent wedge]

okay. so.
Trying to optimize a HMF factory here. Currently I am using the Encased alt (concrete instead of screws)*
I have one Pure coal (360/m), two Normal iron (combined 360/m), plenty of limestone, and the modular frames are being built offsite and shipped in.
I have a layout designed but it's just...idk. It makes pipes too fast and EIBs too slow.
What's a good manifold for Heavy Encased Frames?

*I may just use the regular recipe, since I have Steel Screws unlocked, if that's more efficient.

My current math runs the iron and coal into eight Foundries, then splits them into Beams (3 constr) and Pipes (6 const)

[median heath]

So if I'm understanding...
You want a "good manifold" when you're supplying the incorrect amount?

[latent wedge]

I don't know what the amount should be, is the thing.

I have 360 on tap of coal and iron.

[median heath]

Stop solving forwards.

Pick how many HMFs you want and solve backwards from there.

[latent wedge]

I want one manufacturer of HMFs to run steadily.

I don't care about the amount as much as consistency.

[median heath]

So start with 2.8125 and solve backwards.

Because that is 1 Manufacturer of Encased HMF.

[latent wedge]

okay...

But I am having a lot of difficulty working backwards to these amounts.

I'm still working on splitting things down into 15's as optimally as possible, this is way past that.

[median heath]

15s?

[latent wedge]

Ok, more like I'm used to working forwards.
Concrete has an output of 15/m for 45/m limestone. I can break 180 down into even multiples of 45, so that's four constructors, which merged gives me 60/m.

[median heath]

Ok, more like I'm used to working forwards.

This is a habit I highly recommend breaking.

[latent wedge]

I'm used to working in whole numbers. 45 in, so how many miners/nodes/slugs do I need to make a multiple of 45.

yeah. It's not ideal.

But where do I even go with knowing "I need 20.625 concrete?" Constructors spit concrete out at 15/m, so one of them overclocked to 20.625? Two of them underclocked to...uh...

Honestly since it produces 3 HMFs at 2.8125/m, I should probably resort back to the default recipe for the sake of working with round numbers.

[median heath]

You also need to get comfortable with numbers like 2.8125.

Because it's going to pop up at lot.

Especially if you follow the 45-81 rule.

[latent wedge]

the what?

That definitely involves the number 9.

[median heath]

Get ready for a book 🙂

So the premise of the 45-81 rule is getting production in "clean numbers" with respect to clock speed.
As you may or may not know, the game enforces a 4 decimal limit on clock speeds (it does not care about parts per minute, nor does anything in the game actually operate on parts per minute, EVERYTHING is done in individual cycles with respect to clock speed for cycle time)

Example: if you tell a Smelter to do 20/min instead of 30/min, the clock % changes to 66.6666%.
The UI will say 20 ppm, but this is a lie to make you feel better about yourself. The machine truncates anything after xx.xxxx%, so you do not actually get 20/min, you get 66.6666% of 30 (which is 19.99998).
Now, to MOST people, this doesn't matter. But I am a stickler for precision, so not actually getting 20 bothers me (even though you'd literally see a production difference only after a couple hundred thousand cycles).

So the math was done to find out how to make production lines "behave", and the first thing we solved was the 81 part of the rule. With respect to Rubber/Plastic - always do them in multiples of 81 and all machines in the recycled loop automatically fall within the 4 decimal limit. No repeating numbers, no imprecision.
The 45 part of the rule applies to non-oil products. Do your final product amount in multiples of 45 and everything in the production chain automatically behaves without you needing to think about it.
Exceptions: Caterium Circuit Board, Pure Iron, Fine Concrete
(CtCB and PureFe usually outweigh the rule because you'll be doing them in such large quantities that they fine a common multiple somewhere up the chain.
No one should ever use Fine Concrete.)

Note: 45-81 is the lowest whole number multiple, but you can cut them in halves to achieve closer to your actual goals.
I.E. 45/22.5/11.25/5.625/2.8125, or 81/40.5/20.25/10.125 (going lower than 10.125 on oil causes issues)

So if you needed 100 Plastic, I would instead say to make 81+20.25=101.25

Encased HMF fits into it at 100% because 1 Man is 2.8125.

@latent wedge if you have any questions lmk.

[latent wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-tron-i-have-several-questions-questions-youtube-youtuber-gif-4710291

[median heath]

Hit me.

[latent wedge]

what's the best layout If I think of them I'll let you know

[median heath]

the devs are also evil 😦

Because Miners/Extractors work in terms of 60
ITEMS work in terms of 45
And belts again work in 60s.

So the only way to achieve "perfection" would be do everything in terms of 180 without reduction 😦

[latent wedge]

I can generate 360 tho, which is double that, so that's something

Also not a big fan of the ratio of extractors to coal jennys :P

[median heath]

Coal Gens take 15.
Miners pull in multiples of 60.

Where is the issue?

[latent wedge]

Water extractors

3:8 ratio

[median heath]

8 * 15 = 120

[cobalt meteor]

ok so ive got this setup that i want to make

do i just prefill the recycled plastic and recycled rubber refineries with plastic and rubber and then put a smart splitter to send the output to the other refineries and then overflow to the output?

[median heath]

That is one way to do it, yes.

[cobalt meteor]

is there a simpler way?

[median heath]

🤷‍♂️

[cobalt meteor]

ok ill just do my way then, thanks

[vapid gorge]

I use the residual rubber from the resin waste to feed recycled plastic and go from there. For me that's simpler

[magic island]

there's no way to make fuel without a polymer byproduct, anyway (either you get resin from making it directly or via HOR, or you make vanilla plubber and turn the HOR into fuel), so it makes sense to have that polymer as the initial feed

you CAN run a recycled loop entirely from hand-prefill, and then just process the resin separately. but you may as well throw the resin in the mix

[upbeat tide]

My use of poly resin is two.

1. For fabrics
2. For including in my recycled rubber/plastic arrays.
   But yea no way to avoid it.

[median heath]

Residual Rubber is a big yes.
Residual Plastic is a big yikes.

[upbeat tide]

Yea residual rubber only

[wintry aurora]

I thought it was 42-81? Maybe misremembering slightly.

[median heath]

No, 45-81. Always has been.

Subject to change when they do the recipe rebalance patch though.

[wintry aurora]

What's yikes about residual plastic? I don't think I've ever seen SFTools use it unless I force it somehow.

[median heath]

Conversion rate.

[vapid gorge]

Yeah just that.
If you don't care about less product it's fine? But if you're using the recycle loop you might as well use res rubber

[hushed bay]

so what's the production calculator that all the cool kids are using these days? Last time I was looking at this sort of thing there were a few that let you choose what you had unlocked so far, but SCIM doesn't seem to do that..

[median heath]

Tools.

[wintry aurora]

SatisTools is the big one.

[hushed bay]

eg https://u6.satisfactorytools.com/production ?

[wintry aurora]

Yes.

[hushed bay]

Great, thanks

[wintry aurora]

There's a few others around, but I haven't really heard much about them.

[vapid gorge]

It takes some fiddling to figure out how to use it really well but it's worth it. Didn't work with my brain at ALL for ages but got it in the end. I'm an outlier though - most people don't have that much dif

[silent shoal]

Thanks

[silent shoal]

Can someone please explain to me what these values ​​are?

[feral valve]

production vs consomation?

if greem majority you produce more than you consume, if red majority you consuming more than you produce

[strong spoke]

If u make a eqribrium then u win

[feral valve]

not really, in all automation games it's better to overproduce

overproduce energy first (obviously), then the basics, then the advanced

so you mainly want to have green majority for each resource

better to have your resources wait for your machines than the other way around

[wind spade]

not really, "overproduce" just the things that you are storing

[feral valve]

i feel like i need to explain what i meant. when i say overproduce, i don't mean "make 2 or 3 times what you need". but more like "produce 1.1 or 1.2 times what you need". this is mainly because event though the math of ratios work in the planning, the games usually use a ticker. and those tickers can destroy your perfect ratios. You have to account for those.
Also, if i am storing something, like concrete, i will have separate factories specifically for that so it doesn't interfere with the other factories.
For example, i am making concrete for my nuclear plant, but i don't use that concrete for storing. only for the nuclear. I have a separate factory, with higher yield, for storing.

[wind spade]

I don't think you really need to overproduce

game is very much capable of running 100% efficient setups with no overproduction

[warm pelican]

100% can be hard with some of the numbers

[feral valve]

i beg to differ. in smaller saves it might be so, but when your save takes 5 minutes to load, you will see the difference

[wind spade]

underclocking is a thing

[warm pelican]

I’ve never tested hard to see if there’s ever a drop of you run exactly 100%

[wind spade]

I haven't heard about this issue from any player with larger saves 🤷‍♂️

and it makes no sense, if you overproduce, then the producing machines will get stuck eventually

[warm pelican]

I would guess the game glitches and 100% would become 99% on occasion

[wind spade]

what can break your larger saves (or any save basically) is belt to belt connection bug, which reduces max throughput on belt connections, so if you run longer maxed belts, then those won't carry enough resources

but it's not related to the machines themselves

[warm pelican]

Ya I’ve seen belt issues, silly belts

[feral valve]

in any case, i prefer overproducing. i do try to have perfect ratios but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

[snow dove]

overproducing=waste of resources

[wind spade]

your save is your save, just saying that there's not a need for that 🤷‍♂️

[warm pelican]

I like full buffers, 100.1% production is my ideal

[feral valve]

^

[snow dove]

sounds like an interesting use of a power shard…

[warm pelican]

How many people actually use 100% of resources in any of their saves? Quite the task

[wind spade]

if you have overproduction, you don't need buffers 🤔

[warm pelican]

Overproduction is the only way to fill a buffer

[snow dove]

prefill

[warm pelican]

That’s true

[wind spade]

which is why buffers are pointless 🙂

[feral valve]

umm, i only have buffers at the start, to store more raw resources. trains can be finnicky

[wind spade]

trains are fine 🤔

[warm pelican]

I love my train in the sky

[snow dove]

you only need buffers big enough to hold two cycles worth of materials

[feral valve]

why you have one entrance and 20 trains to go trough...there might be delays

[wind spade]

well then you just make the trains longer so they carry more 🤷‍♂️

[warm pelican]

Sounds like morning rush hour all the time

[feral valve]

that is your personal preference, i like my trains short

longest train is 3 freight carriages

[snow dove]

in this case the “preference” can limit throughput

[feral valve]

my troughput is just fine, with the buffer

[wind spade]

yeah, if you intentionally build "bad" setups, don't be surprised that "trains are finnicky"

[warm pelican]

Shots fired

[feral valve]

lol, you consider it bad, but i consider your long trains bad too. so it's just a matter of opinion

[snow dove]

it’s not an opinion, longer trains objectively have higher throughputs

[wind spade]

well if your setup isn't capable of maintaining the required throughput, it's bad by definition. "I think your setup is bad" is subjective, but "your setup can't do what you want from it" is objective

[feral valve]

that depends on how you harvest your resources

[wind spade]

no, longer trains do have more throughput

[snow dove]

The throughput of trains isn’t

Longer trains have higher throughput than shorter trains, full stop. There is no exceptions

[feral valve]

i agree that longer trains have higher troughput. i never said they didn't. what i said is that i don't like longer trains

not the same

[wind spade]

you said this

[vocal tundra]

You also said that longer trains were bad, that isnt the same as you dont like them

[feral valve]

i was answering about your "your setup can't do what you want from it"

yes, i said i consider longer trains bad, but didn't say they don't have higher troughput

[warm pelican]

I would argue that bad is a subjective word entirely

[feral valve]

yes, which is why i used "I consider" meaning it's subjective

[snow dove]

except longer trains are objectively not bad

[feral valve]

that, again, depends on how you do your setup

[snow dove]

except it doesn’t

[feral valve]

oh, then let me ask you something

[warm pelican]

what if you like little hidden bases and you don’t have the room for a long train station

[vocal tundra]

Doesnt mean trains are bad, just means that they arent ideal in that situation that you put yourself in

:)

[feral valve]

if i have 10 different nodes that are all less than 2km away from your factory, but not clumped up. would you make a single station gathering all those resources with l;onger trains or would you prefer smaller stations with smaller trains. or would you juste use belts and bring everything to the factory without trains? or maybe something else?

sorry, forgot how small the distances are, i think it's less than 600m away

[warm pelican]

I love belts

[wind spade]

belts or trucks collecting resources to a train station for one long train to carry to main base (but even better instead of train - process the resources in the central point)

[feral valve]

have to launch the game to check

[median heath]

Truck

[warm pelican]

I need to use trucks

[feral valve]

my design is to have a factory processing all the resources on one place. i do like sattelite factories but this is too complex for processing on site

also, i tried to minimize the ugly belt lines all over the place

[median heath]

Trucks bring resources from satellite nodes to central train station that ships to your main facility.

[feral valve]

which is why i have sattelite stations instead

also, trucks don't work in this specific case

[median heath]

Sure.......

[feral valve]

i try not to destroy the fauna and flora, so trucks would get stuck all the time and a higway is not what i was going for

[vocal tundra]

There are natural roads everywhere...

[wind spade]

which is once again "if you artificially limit yourself, you may find things not working for you, which doesn't mean those things are bad"

[vocal tundra]

Foliage free natural roads

[median heath]

So this is a choice you are making.
Which is inherently suboptimal.
Reroute to "if you choose to make bad setups"

[feral valve]

that is my choice. this time i tried not being a world destructor

[warm pelican]

Do trucks ever get stuck?

[feral valve]

not everyone has the desire to see the world burn

[median heath]

Yes and no.
They added a system where they will ghost themselves to the next node if they get stuck.

However, 99.99% of the time if it got stuck it is because you drove the route poorly.

[warm pelican]

Ok cool, as long as it gets there I don’t care how lol

[feral valve]

won't the delay created by being stuck compound and create huge delays on production?

[vocal tundra]

Just get good at driving lol

[wind spade]

only if the route's max throughput is close to desired throughput

but usually your trucks will not run full all the time so it doesn't matter

[feral valve]

yep, overproducing for the win 😉

[median heath]

Ew.

[wind spade]

that's not really related to overproduction tho

if the truck is capable of moving 1000/min and you want it to move 995/min, then yeah, trucks getting stuck would cause delays. However overproduction won't solve anything in this case

[median heath]

FICSIT: We do not waste
Huryiade: Wastes with overproduction
FICSIT: We do not care about the planet
Huryiade: I don't want to destroy the flora

[feral valve]

of course it will. it's all a matter of items/minute. will it be efficient? of course it won't, but will it work? hell yes it will

[median heath]

🤷‍♂️

EFFICIENCY FIRST

[wind spade]

it won't. The truck is still only capable of moving 1000/min, so even if you produce 50000/min, the truck still won't be able to move that much

[feral valve]

but if you add more trucs...

[wind spade]

then you don't need overproduction, because truck getting stuck suddenly doesn't matter

because the trucks are not at capacity

[feral valve]

also, whoever is loving and listening to ficsit? they are an evil corp, no one should follow thir rules like a corp drone

[median heath]

Truck and station can handle only 1560/min. Anything over that is just wasteful.

(Greeny, where tf did you get 1000?)

[wind spade]

1000 was a random example of route throughput

[median heath]

Are you playing Satisfactory?

[feral valve]

not currently

[wind spade]

if you're doing anything on the planned, you're following their orders 🤷‍♂️

[median heath]

When you played Mass Effect did you help the Reapers kill the galaxy or did you follow what your character actually believed in?

[wind spade]

any resource produced, any explored territory, any knowledge or progression, it's all part of what you should do on the planet 😛

[feral valve]

that was a joke in response to Svrahn's comment...don't take things too seriously people

[jovial solar]

depends on your computer or the computer of who you're playing with too, lots of long belts is a lot of rendering and can cause lower end PCs to really struggle

[snow dove]

i dont think belting that is what’s gonna cause you lag…

if that lags your computer, then the game just being open would do a lot worse

[jovial solar]

Weird take, this isn't even contested. Conveyers render each item individually, they're well known to cause lag if you do them in excess, which lots of massive long conveyers to a center factory which then would have even more conveyers rendering within the same quadrant is absolutely going to effect performance.

[feral valve]

there are several reasons i chose to go with small satellite stations. one of them being performance. another being that i wanted to use mostly trains. there are other reasons, but it's mainly the style of infrastructure i chose to go with on this particular save