off-topic-tech

[sharp matrix]

Not going to lie, first game i see that asks that im uninstalling and if its on steam, definitely leaving a negative review

[languid gulch]

yup

it's also stupid because if it's installed through Steam, they already have the basic info needed to determine if you're at least 18

[sharp matrix]

Well this whole thing appears to be asinine

[languid gulch]

🤣

for us, yes. for the data profiteers, never

[soft bloom]

it took em 17 minutes to even mention that detection depends on freequency as well

it should be just question of sensitivity and sophisticated filtering.
like, radio signals are fairly weak, but we amplify them and use clever tech to find specific signal in the sea of noise and other signals.
still a hard stretch to get human heartbeat...

[thin chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et8lUjDh4LU

[pure karma]

Well time to see the review bombing

No change yipee for security

[sharp matrix]

people are ok with this

[pure karma]

Over 50% of people are for the banning of phones for kids so ofc they are

[sharp matrix]

its over

[sturdy pendant]

hiiiiiiiiiiiii

how is linux perf with nvidia 580 driver

for this game in particular

[jagged snow]

Don't know if anyone's tested, most anyone gaming on linux in here is on amd graphics

[twin dew]

Mostly about the same as on Windows AFAIK.
But just general hearsay.

[jagged snow]

Nvidia linux drivers are still quite iffy compared to amd in my experience(using nvidia gpu with kubuntu for work)

[glossy glacier]

had a weird issue today with a customers server
would POST normally but after handing off to any bootloader it freezes
didn't matter if installed OS or off a USB drive

[wanton orchid]

secure boot issue ?
graphic hand off issue ?

[glossy glacier]

SB was off
GPU was only one installed, also it instantly turned off when I pressed the power button

[mental oriole]

Corrupted bootloader?

[wanton orchid]

they said it doesn't matter what boot loader

sounds like ram instability then, or acpi/pre-setup stuff corrupt

did you try booting tools like memtest ?

would make sense memtest being hardened against these kind of issues

[jagged snow]

This guys website seems to currently be struggling but it's an interesting writeup
www.thatprivacyguy.com/blog/chrome-silent-nano-install/

[mental oriole]

Possible bootrom is broken (e.g failed bios update?)

[wanton orchid]

would be weird it crashes right at chain loading

[jagged snow]

Also, there seems to have been a significant infra outage of some sort this morning
Anyone have details?

[glossy glacier]

I did a BIOS/UEFI update as a troubleshoot step but no change

Didn't try memtest specifically but my money's on a memory problem too.
Ventoy itself loaded fine, but then booting from a ISO froze it too

Anyway the server was 10ish years old and slated for a replacement anyway so we just do it earlier.
Gonna use another system as a backup host in the meantime

[inner shale]

😭 i want to have issues

[night girder]

I have to admit. I watched some science videos from Kurzgesagt.

But this is ridiculous.

How clickbaity can you make a title.

[mental oriole]

How about gerfew?

I'm not sorry

[night girder]

Who?

[mental oriole]

? :))

[night girder]

Who is gerfew?

[mental oriole]

ger many
ger few
🙃

[night girder]

🤣

sorry brain not working

[mental oriole]

no worries

[inner shale]

you know Kit is now part of my Ori cult

[languid gulch]

[obligatory Nigeria vs Germany "who the hell didn't pre-check the scoreboard before airing this" pic]

[inner shale]

ugh

journos you know

and people hate on electrify pe like fern

[midnight osprey]

hey guys I want to reinstall windows for the first time in way over a year ... is there an ideal version to install these days?

[visual tree]

Yeah, first you measure the wall and then you make sure you can install windows

*jk

There is no ideal version afaik but clean windows install usually worked better in my case

People at work migrated their laptops from windows 10 to windows 11 and we had so many issues which could only be solved with a clean windows 11 installation

[pure karma]

the latest cause if you go back enough they cant update themselfs

and then you will end up having to full install again

[midnight osprey]

cool, thanks

[pure karma]

truth is im pretty sure as long as your atleast on late 22H your good

[glossy glacier]

1. download official windows iso
2. delete it
3. download and install linux instead
   🙃

[pure karma]

iv been thinking about this for a while actually but what do you do if you want to go back to windows after swapping ot linux if you have no other device on windows?

since you cant download the ISO on firefox, and chromium and stuff obviously dosent exist on most ditros

[glossy glacier]

???
download in FF works fine and in most mainstream distros there should be some kind of chromium based browser in the repos

[soft bloom]

hmm, let me think...
oh, right

always has been.jpg

[inner shale]

sometimes i wonder who coded the 7th and 8th symbol to the sg1 computer.

[pure karma]

oh it does work now

for atleast 2 years now trying to download the win11 ISO on firefox would just not work and detect you as a bot

[visual tree]

Just learned a network engineering joke: "switchport trunk allowed vlan 30"

People who got burned will understand

[inner shale]

so many jokes recently on noone explains

[pure karma]

yea that one is too far for me lol i dont get it

[wanton orchid]

port is set as trunk but only vlan 30 can go on it, and it's tagged ?

[inner shale]

you know one does now simply be evil 🙁

[visual tree]

Yeah, this is apparently common to Cisco

Since you didn't put "add" before 30, it means only vlan 30 is allowed while every other vlan is not

That's how people brought down the network by accident

An example of explanation: "For the uninitiated, there's a command to restrict a VLAN-tagged trunk to carry only specific VLANs. The command to restrict it to, say, VLANs 5, 6, 7, and 9 is switchport trunk allowed vlan 5-7,9. As you can see, you can use ranges or comma-separated values.

If you want to add VLAN 8 to the list above, you use the command switchport trunk allowed vlan add 8. What you definitely don't do is forget the add keyword and just type switchport trunk allowed vlan 8—because that replaces the existing list with whatever you included in the command. You could alternatively type switchport trunk allowed vlan 5-9, but who does that?"

[twin dew]

"Nice" syntax from Cisco.
Sane design would have something like "set" as keyword for what they do without any keyword currently.

But sane and Cisco don't really go together.

[inner shale]

at least i will always always have my karma 😄

and or Ylvis 😛 tooo

[dire igloo]

www.ip.network/blog/de-domain-dnssec-outage-may-2026

Weeeeee, German .de TLD websites were unavailable yesterday evening

[quasi citrus]

was a fun read to follow along as people figured it out 😄

[tropic bear]

any1 here know delphi, i refuse to elarn it and my friend needs help 😭

[inner shale]

what?

you mean people are still turbo pascaling around

damn i grew up on pascal and delphi those were the times

and no i no longer remember ... tho help files are around

[night girder]

Has it? 🤔 I don't think you know what you are talking about.

Most titles. You know more or less what it's about.

Except the first one ofc.

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[night girder]

Or atleast explain to me how "Tattoo Removal is Insane" is as clickbaity as "GERMANY IS OVER" (in capslock btw!)

"This is the scariest place in the universe" tells me more about the video than the Germany one.

And the german one is about the decline in population, but I didn't watch because I cba anymore with the channel.

[soft bloom]

2 red arrows out of 6

but anyway, was talking about about them being ridiculous and clickbaity for .... years?
perhaps more about how I think that their substance to 'presentation' ratio is 1/3 of late Veritasium

walk through their titles and covers and highlight every clickbait-ish word:

weirder
than you think
the most
insane
megaproject
you never heard about
the scariest
in the universe
super[voids]
insane

[night girder]

Ok, you don't understand me. And that's fine. No point that I keep explaining myself 🤣

[soft bloom]

you point is that they become clickbait channel
I say that well they always were
but it doesn't mean that they didn't become more clickbait

[night girder]

No, I said "how clickbaity can you make a title".

If we could put a % on clickbait, I would say it was 50% on most titles (so not denying they make clickbait titles, but most of them gave some insight into the topic). But the last one is nearing 90% (subjective).

Making a title full capslock with fire background, it's next level to me 🤣

[soft bloom]

is it logarithmic scale?

[night girder]

no, the letterdief scale.

[soft bloom]

oh, how to calibrate it?

[night girder]

Only I can do that

It's my opinion. I know, it's subjective.

And I fixed it. By not watching the videos or the channel anymore.

I still think titles should provide insight into the topic and also provoke curiosity.

But no insight into the topic and full throttle on the curiosity/drama is a bit much for me.

But it's no news that YT content has come to this point. Most channels have to resort to this to keep relevant.

[soft bloom]

well...
"how gyroscope works?"
is only curiosity and no insight
but isn't bad by any measure

[night girder]

How is it not insight into the topic? It's about gyroscopes. And how they work. It's in the title? Am I missing something here?

[soft bloom]

well, in my book, if I say "tree" I don't explain how "tree" works

[soft bloom]

okay I probably understood you too literally

[inner shale]

you wrote a book?

i wonder if there is the word invasion in it

[soft bloom]

please don't judge by the cover

I think YT music thinks I am depressed?..

[pure escarp]

anyone on here that solders have any suggestions for home use hot air stations? I have a project with large ground planes so i need a high power station, but am skeptical to buy a clone, not to mention stations like the atten 862D look different in every listing i see online

[inner shale]

i would never judge you

[inner shale]

i am always happy being the evil one

[coarse cloak]

Factory in my pocket, my dreams have been achieved

[sand saddle]

Crazy

[night girder]

proton.me/blog/introducing-post-quantum-encryption

Note: Post-quantum protection is being rolled out gradually in Proton Mail. If you do not see the option in your account yet, there is nothing you need to do. It will become available soon.

The quantum era is no longer a distant thought experiment. Quantum computers — advanced computing systems designed to solve complex problems that classical computers cannot — are not yet capable of breaking the encryption that protects email today. But the risk is real enough that security teams, standards bodies, and technology providers are already preparing for what comes next by adopting post-quantum encryption.

Post-quantum protection is now an optional upgrade in Proton Mail, available on all plans including free. Once enabled, Proton Mail can generate and use post-quantum-ready keys for new encrypted emails to protect your personal messages and business communications against today’s threats and a future where current public-key cryptography may no longer be enough.

[patent ledge]

ON MOBILE????

[coarse cloak]

Yessir

[patent ledge]

Legit how- I am astonished
What hardware are you using?

[dire igloo]

Phone, probably

[thick pilot]

If I bought the whole phone, im gonna use the whole phone

Gotta love the 99% GPU

[pure karma]

how in tf did you get a steam game to run on ARM lmao

[pure karma]

screenshot is literally watermarked "Redmagic 11 pro"

because advertissing through screenshots is just the average android experience these days it feels like

oneplus does it redmagic does it

like bich i dont want your watermark in my pics

[coarse cloak]

GameNative app, just log into steam, download and play

[pure karma]

you cant play games on the steamapp tho 😐

[coarse cloak]

It's using wine emulator to run windows, it's literally the desktop steam client

[coarse cloak]

Lol u can turn it off I leave it on because a lot of people ask what phone, rather let the screenshot do the work of telling.

[dire igloo]

Alternatively: Steam Link, Parsec or similar remote desktop technology

[coarse cloak]

I like the games to be running native on the device, streaming takes way to much data when I'm not home

[pure karma]

Iv never gotten steam link to work on mobile it only works pc to pc for me

[coarse cloak]

Steam link also only works on a local network, if if 300 miles away from my pc and it's off, it's useless

[pure karma]

Works across different networks but they have to support it

Like i used to use steamlink on my school laptop to save on battery and that was with one pc on a network and the other on another

[coarse cloak]

I guess you can, but I still don't wanna have to keep my pc on all the time, it's a 1200watt pc, it adds to the electric bill lol

[glossy glacier]

The same way valve is running games on the frame

fex+proton

[dire igloo]

Please tell me you're just referring to your PSU's wattage and not the actual power draw of the PC

cuz actually drawing more than 1kW on a desktop PC is a tough thing to achieve

[coarse cloak]

i draw around 800-1000 when gaming. overclocked 7900xtx + overclocked 14900k + 3 monitors and a 60 inch tv, measured at the outlet using a volt meter. pc is prob around 600ish of that power

[night girder]

Wait. I have questions.

But I might be dumb.

Monitors and TV, they don't draw power on PC do they?

[coarse cloak]

no, but they are used for using the pc

[night girder]

All 4?

[coarse cloak]

yup

[night girder]

Damn. I turn of my monitors and screen when not in use etc 😄

[coarse cloak]

oh ofc i turn off when not used lol

[pure karma]

I leave mine on nowadays

[night girder]

Can I ask what you do with all the monitors? What information you put on them?

[pure karma]

since the button is behind and with multiple monitors forget it

[night girder]

Or is it 3 monitors acting as "one" ? Not sure what the technical term is. But I've seen it on the internet sometimes.

[pure karma]

Ultrawide?

[night girder]

Something like that.

[pure karma]

Making a bad tv out of monitors like that seems so inefficient

[night girder]

I agree.

And the edges of the screen would annoy me.

[coarse cloak]

the 60 inch tv is a 4k 120hz as my main, 1 ultra wide for youtube and or other media, the other is used for satisfactory calc, and the other is for discord and communication

[patent ledge]

My bad. I was walking home when looking at the image

Can't see shit in daylight

[mental oriole]

So cursed. Also makes screensharing impossible :)) (trust me we had one dude at a previous place that did this...)

[pure karma]

i have to say my setup is a lot more efficient that i would have tought

3 main monitors ethernet switch + pc and peripherals only 700W peak

[coarse cloak]

Not bad

[pure karma]

not gonna lie i was sure it would break 1000 but i guess not

with both my pc's definitely but i expected just my main to blow 4 digits

[pure karma]

how old is it now?

i have that one HDD from 2013 which is probably the oldest hardware i own now

that still works anyway

[pure karma]

i still daily a HDD but its getting rough now that Win11 stops disks from spinning if they arent in active use so anytime something pulls from it it crashes for 10 seconds while the disk spools up

[languid gulch]

i still feel like a lottery winner every day with this thing

[glossy glacier]

Disable spindown in BIOS or win power options.
But w11 letting disks not spin down by default sound like a bug, because even back with w10 it did that

[twin dew]

Or maybe it did, but MagicZ didn't notice until the HDDs dying got worse.

He has known about it for 1+ years, but why do anything until it fails completely?

[pure karma]

it’s something that started from a windows update for sure so i doubt its anything i did

I can’t tell if im seeing things cause its 4am or because this controller is all kinds of wrong

[dire igloo]

I'm kind of at a loss rn, hopefully someone here can help me out.

I've recently got myself a new laptop off the used market (Fujitsu Lifebook E5511) and put CachyOS on it.
And for over a week now, I've been struggling to get it connected with the free wifi at work.
Connecting to the wifi network is easily done, but before receiving internet access, there's a captive portal to accept the terms and conditions which just won't open. This site is hosted on hotsplots.de btw, so not a locally hosting captive portal
It works perfectly fine on my phone and the laptops we use at work, so I know that it's not the network itself.

Things I've tried:

• disabling ufw
• disabling DNS over HTTPS in Firefox
• disabling HTTPS-only mode in Firefox
• opening hotsplots.de in Firefox, both https and http
• getting help with my system time settings, see below

The only thing I could find out was a difference in timedatectl status between my home wifi and the one at work.
Result at work can be seen in the image, result at home is this:

               Local time: Mo 2026-05-04 23:55:28 CEST
           Universal time: Mo 2026-05-04 21:55:28 UTC
                 RTC time: Mo 2026-05-04 21:55:28
                Time zone: Europe/Berlin (CEST, +0200)
System clock synchronized: yes
              NTP service: active
          RTC in local TZ: no```

Does anyone have any ideas on what else I could try or how to get this captive portal to open?

[twin dew]

Because that line needs working internet to be yes.
So it is just result, not cause.

[dire igloo]

Hm, okay

That means that I have nothing then

[twin dew]

That turns to yes when timesyncd has NTP connection to internet time server.

[dire igloo]

Makes sense

Well, what else is there for me to do or try?

[twin dew]

Seeing what the WLAN IP settings are while needing to open that site, before accepting.

IP and routes.

[dire igloo]

IP is usually some 192.168. thingy with a /22 subnet mask

If I get a free minute, I'll set up the laptop and see if I can get you those infos in more detail.

How do I check routes?

[twin dew]

"ip route"

And also DNS server(s).
Can that domain the site lives on be resolved.

Limited number of things that could be wrong, in sequence where they matter:
DHCP not working, in which case you wouldn't get right IP, subnet, DNS server etc.
ARP (local network segment) & Routing (other network segments) not working, so you cannot talk to anything.
DNS not working and you cannot convert the domain name to IP for connecting.
The actual connection to that IP not working.
With local firewalls being able to cause issues with any step if too restrictive for outgoing traffic or related incoming traffic.

[twin dew]

And remember that any manually configured DNS servers aren't working at that point either.
Need to use that DHCP given one, or manual mapping in /etc/hosts file.

And here we go again: https://thehackernews.com/2026/05/linux-kernel-dirty-frag-lpe-exploit.html

Might be time for me to make a list of all linux kernel modules, remove the actually loaded ones, and blacklist the rest...

Somebody pushed (part?) of fix into public kernel repo too soon.

[dire igloo]

Output:

192.168.44.0/22 dev wlan0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.45.152 metric 600```

[twin dew]

So there is default route via that 192.168.44.1 router.

[dire igloo]

I've actually been there before I just realized

When I go to 192.168.44.1, it forwards me to the hotsplots.de website that usually shows the captive portal, but for me I just get this error message (using a pic from a different website cuz it was easier to find this one than to take a photo of the exact same error message on the portal website)

Oh, and in case it matters, I also did this as part of my troubleshooting endeavors

[twin dew]

And next thing was to see if DNS is working and that hotsplots.de resolves to an IP.

Try pinging it or like, where you get specific failure for hostname resolution failing.

[dire igloo]

ping: hotsplots.de: Name or service not known

[twin dew]

So DNS is not working.

So now you would need to check what you have configured currently as the DNS server(s).
Which depends on what DNS client software is in use.

[dire igloo]

How do I check that?

[twin dew]

What distro?

[dire igloo]

The command dnsdomainname just returns nothing

Distro is CachyOS

[twin dew]

And /etc/resolv.conf might help determining that.

CachyOS is by default set to always use Cloudflare DNS, which doesn't work until that other thing has been passed.

So either need to change that, or add right /etc/hosts entry.

[dire igloo]

search hotspot
nameserver 127.0.0.53
options edns0 trust-ad```

[twin dew]

So NetworkManager is configuring that, and there is local DNS proxy in use.

Does "resolvectl" output anything?

Because that would suggest that SystemD ResolveD is in use.

But the DNS settings are inside NetworkManager.

Check that WiFi connections settings in there for DNS.

[twin dew]

So ResolveD is in use, with external OS config.
With right DNS gotten via DHCP, but also bunch of other static ones configured.

Moment.

[twin dew]

Does "resolvectl query hotsplots.de" return any results?

And check /etc/systemd/resolved.conf and /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/ for configuration of that fallback DNS.

[dire igloo]

hotsplots.de: Name 'hotsplots.de' not found

[twin dew]

what does "nslookup hotsplots.de 192.168.44.1" do?

or "dig hotsplots.de @192.168.44.1"

[dire igloo]

There is no resolved.conf.d
resolved.conf is basically empty, it's just a bunch of comments and one line being [Resolve]

[twin dew]

Ok, so it is getting those fallback DNS servers via some other way than its own config files.

[twin dew]

So ResolveD is jumping to the fallback servers too quickly.

So need to either get rid of them, or add that response into that /etc/hosts file.

You can try putting fallback.conf with following contents into that /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/

FallbackDNS=```

And then "systemctl restart systemd-resolved.service"

And then check with that resolvectl if the fallback entries are gone.

Well, the name doesn't matter as long as it ends in .conf and is in that directory.

[dire igloo]

What does the .d mean?
There is only resolved.conf and no resolved.conf.d

[twin dew]

config directory.

For users override configs.

Just mkdir /etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/

[dire igloo]

Huh. Funny

[twin dew]

Yes, they are in there as example, but commented out.
CachyOS is setting them to that somewhere else.
Having config with empty assignment in that .d/ should override any previous assignments, unless it is being done at runtime via D-BUS API.

For that, you would need to look into inside Network Manager if being done.

SystemD stuff usually has multiple levels of config options.
Starting from compile set defaults
Then bunch of different config files, for that ResolveD:

/run/systemd/resolved.conf
/usr/local/lib/systemd/resolved.conf
/usr/lib/systemd/resolved.conf
/etc/systemd/resolved.conf.d/*.conf
/run/systemd/resolved.conf.d/*.conf
/usr/local/lib/systemd/resolved.conf.d/*.conf
/usr/lib/systemd/resolved.conf.d/*.conf```
And then D-BUS API for runtime changes.

[dire igloo]

Uhhhhh
It didn't work? I think?

[twin dew]

So you added that contents?
And then restarted resolved?
You are just creating an empty file in that and not restarting.

Ah, sorry, the restart was there..

[dire igloo]

And the file was filled with this exact text

[twin dew]

Ok, then some later point is adding them.
That was just to override those compiled defaults and the config locations before on that list I put.

So check inside that Network Manager then.

Possibly this place:

[dire igloo]

That was resolvectl query hotsplots.de?

[twin dew]

Or just check that basic "resolvectl" to see if there are still any fallback DNS entries or not.

[dire igloo]

Nothing in the Other DNS Servers field

[dire igloo]

The global Fallback DNS Servers are gone

[twin dew]

Then check if the page works now.

Because those two DNS check commands I gave were ones that forced use of specific DNS server, which was the DHCP given one.
That ResolveD wasn't using for some reason while the fallbacks existed.

[dire igloo]

Rest is the same

[dire igloo]

Nope

[twin dew]

So "resolvectl query hotsplots.de" doesn't work?

[dire igloo]

Nope, still doesn't work

Still Name not found

[twin dew]

And just "resolvectl" still shows that 192.168.44.1 DNS server in the listing, and no others now?

[dire igloo]

Yup

[twin dew]

Which is just bizarre, when direct queries to that server do work...

[dire igloo]

It's the same output as this, but with two changes:

1. The Fallback DNS Servers line under Global is gone
2. Link 2 (enp0s31f6) and Link 3 (wlan0) have switched places, now wlan0 is listed last

[twin dew]

And DNS works when using some other connection?

[twin dew]

To bypass that DNS for now, add following to /etc/hosts, amount of whitespace doesn't matter:
185.238.219.194 hotsplots.de

[dire igloo]

Still don't work

[dire igloo]

I can browse the Internet just fine when I'm at home

Which is wifi to Fritzbox 6490

[twin dew]

As in ping doesn't work, or doesn't work in browser?

Forgot to check, because current browsers also allow to force DNS inside their own settings now.

[dire igloo]

Holup, ping does work, tho browser still doesn't

[twin dew]

So it is now that browsers own DNS settings thing.

[twin dew]

Not proxy.

Ah, sorry.

It was in the background.

[dire igloo]

I've searched for DNS in Firefox settings and managed to get all results into one screenshot this way

[twin dew]

So ping works, but resolvectl query doesn't?
Or does that resolvectl query now work too?

[dire igloo]

Query works too now

[twin dew]

Try restarting that browser completely, or rebooting?

[dire igloo]

I'll just reboot

Resolvectl and ping still work, but opening the page or resolving/pinging other URLs doesn't

Opening 192.168.44.1 in Firefox also doesn't work

[twin dew]

Which is just weird, because that default OS DNS resolver is set to be the stub-resolver of ResolveD, which is now resolving that specific IP because of that hosts file...

as that resolvectl query works.

[twin dew]

Yeah, other DNS queries aren't expected to work, you would need to see with those DNS server specifying commands if that DNS server responds to anything else right now.

[dire igloo]

See nslookup above

[twin dew]

Didn't specify that DNS server to use like earlier.

To bypass that local stub-resolver.

[dire igloo]

*above the resolvectl commands in this screenshot

[twin dew]

nslookup google.com 192.168.44.1

[dire igloo]

One of em finds it, the other doesn't

[twin dew]

So ResolveD isn't using that 192.168.44.1 for one reason or another.

[dire igloo]

Yup

Should I just add it as a fallback DNS?

[twin dew]

Point was that that one IP is gotten from that hosts file, so it works.

You can try.

But no idea what is going on, or how to diagnose why ResolveD is failing like that.

When it does list it as one of the DNS servers available.

[glossy glacier]

Did you configure alternative DNS in cachy hello?

[twin dew]

There was by default, overridden and off.
And confirmed that resolvectl isn't listing anything but that one DNS server.

So the DNS server given by DHCP responds when queried directly.
But SystemD ResolveD isn't querying it for one reason or another, even when it is the only DNS server it lists as being available.

[dire igloo]

What even is 127.0.0.53?

[twin dew]

One of the IPs for local computer.

That is IP that that SystemD ResolveD caching stub-resolver listens on.

So that queries that local programs run, hit ResolveD, which then queries the actual DNS server.

that resolvectl is the interface to ResolveD

127.0.0.1 is the most common, but the whole 127.0.0.0/8 is localhost.

[dire igloo]

Ah

There's no place like 127.0.0.0/8

So we now know that queries to that DNS actually work but somehow, ResolveD just decides not to

[twin dew]

Yes.
ResolveD answers to any queries it can.
But it doesn't make any queries to that DHCP configured DNS server when it should.
Direct queries to that DNS server do work.

But ResolveD is dropping the ball, hard, on the local computer.

[dire igloo]

So either ResolveD just doesn't see the queries on 127.0.0.53 (but why would my home wifi work then?) or it does see them but doesn't process them through 192.168.44.1

[twin dew]

It does, when those queries not via resolvectl work right to the hosts defined name.

And resolvectl query bypasses all that, and directly tells resolved to do a query with its current config.

Stub-resolver not involved.

[dire igloo]

I got another idea, I could launch a mobile hotspot on my phone and connect the laptop to that

[twin dew]

CachyOS seems to have some DNS settings in "Hello App"...
Which people complain about.

But AFAIK that fallback.conf bypassed that.

[dire igloo]

Wait, wtf?!?!

It's now on my phone's hotspot

And still doesn't work

[twin dew]

Yeah, ResolveD dropping the ball.
Or whatever state combination of CachyOS, NetworkManager and ResolveD are in.
Because NetworkManager is bypassing parts of ResolveD etc.

Normally ResolveD would be in control of that /etc/resolv.conf, but currently for you, NetworkManager is.
But just has put the stuff that ResolveD would put into there, but not as the symlink that ResolveD would do, so it is in that "foreign" mode.

But basically configuration state I have no idea about, on distro that I have no idea about.

I do use ResolveD, even when it isn't Debian default.

[dire igloo]

Still massive thank you, I've made more progress today than in my previous attempts

[twin dew]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Domain_name_resolution
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-resolved

For base Arch documentation

[dire igloo]

Thanks

[twin dew]

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager

[dire igloo]

What I am currently wondering: why did it work with my home wifi?

[twin dew]

Because there you can connect to those fallback DNS.

from Cloudflare and Google.

[dire igloo]

But why can't I do so on my phone's hotspot?
Because I've overwritten them?

[twin dew]

You can try if they work now via the phone.
Or connecting to other DNS can be blocked at intervening firewall.

[twin dew]

So comment out that fallbackdns override and try with phone?

[dire igloo]

I've tried nslookup with the DNS server that is listed here for wlan0, it worked.
I've tried nslookup without, it didn't work

[twin dew]

Yeah, first bypasses everything DNS related on the local computer and does direct query to specified server.
Second uses the local config etc.

[dire igloo]

Okay, I'm starting to make sense of the commands

[twin dew]

Tells that the remove DNS server works, but something broken at the local OS level.

And that resolvectl query doesn't work rules out some local issues.

[dire igloo]

Should I also try removing the comment here?

Or wait, no, it doesn't matter, it's configured elsewhere

[twin dew]

If you wanted to force those, copy the line into that .d/fallback.conf instead.

Editing the "base" configs causes issues at package upgrades sometimes.
So better to use that .d

[dire igloo]

Nah, don't wanna force em, I just forgot that CachyOS would enable them automatically if they weren't overwritten

So I thought I would need to enable them manually

[twin dew]

And remember you can diagnose if you can reach those other DNS servers the same way with nslookup or dig, just replacing that DNS server IP with whatever.

1.1.1.1 for Cloudflare, 8.8.8.8 for Google etc.

[dire igloo]

Dafuq
I did the ResolveD restart after commenting out the fallback.conf, the two nslookups before it were done with the override still active

Bruh, phone turned off my hotspot

[twin dew]

Try that nslookup <something> 9.9.9.9

[dire igloo]

Turned it on, connected laptop to it, ran nslookup again without specifying DNS server, got nxdomain again

[dire igloo]

works

[twin dew]

So something broken at local level still.
Probably related to NetworkManager and that work WiFi AP interacting.

But I have no idea about NetworkManager, never used and always stayed away intentionally.
Personally using SystemD NetworkD (again not Debian default).
But it is the one common GUI side interacting tool for Linux network configuration.

[dire igloo]

But why would it not work on my phone then?

If it's the work wifi ap?

[twin dew]

Because something has broken on that local DNS stack when it connected to that work AP, that persists even after connecting to something else.
Deleting the config completely related to it, and rebooting, might help.

[twin dew]

Do note that here you said you were on phone hotspot, but were still able to directly connect to that work AP set DNS server on private network.
So the computer or phone was still connected to that work AP.

The phone was in between, because those resolevctl DNS entries were for the phones caching DNS proxy.

[dire igloo]

Wait, yeah, true. It shouldn't have worked

[twin dew]

But because I use Debian & NetworkD & ResolveD combo, you use Arch/CachyOS & NetworkManager & ResolveD combo, I don't have enough idea what might be going on.

From whatever messing that NetworkManager does, as I have no idea about it.

Just that for stuff that it touches, it has to be in control or stuff just doesn't work.
And it touches basically everything networking related when in use.

[dire igloo]

Hm, let's see. I've removed the OpenWifi connection from my laptop and am now rebooting it

Okay, yeah, it just works now

On my phone's hotspot

Heh, I still had the T&C webpage in my browser history and just accepted them

[dire igloo]

So as long as the OpenWLAN is configured, stuff just breaks

[twin dew]

So something that that work WiFi DHCP returns as settings is most likely confusing your stack somehow.
But no idea more closely.
Those Arch pages might contain clues, but don't have time today to read through.

The general Arch DNS page, Arch ResolveD page and Arch NetworkManager page.
But cannot read through first and third today, and IIRC second doesn't contain anything relevant over what I already said (IIRC I read through it when switching to ResolveD myself).

[dire igloo]

All good, I don't expect you to.
It's quite high level stuff for me, but I've narrowed it down a whole lot now

[twin dew]

Remember to remove that /etc/hosts line too.

[dire igloo]

Correction: it being configured is just one part of the puzzle.
It being configured and available is what's relevant.
Tho idk if I've restarted the laptop with it connecting to my phone's hotspot

[twin dew]

But something that NetworkManager does when configuring for that work AP breaks DNS server usage inside ResolveD.

As the working hypothesis at this point.

Which stays until probably reboot or resolved restart (the restarts didn't help as NetworkManager just redid the configuration when it was there)

But I have to head to grocery store now.

[dire igloo]

I did connect to my home wifi after configuring the work wifi, so it's not just about the network being configured

[dire igloo]

Aight, thanks for all the help

Don't feel the need to answer btw, I'll just be using the chat to keep track of some of my tests

[twin dew]

But you probably turned the machine on between, and didn't move it while it was in sleep or like.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, I shut it down at work and turned it on at home

Okay, so rebooting while connected to the phone hotspot also results in the internet working

[twin dew]

Which again points to that the config existing doesn't matter, but when the computer actually connects and gets that DHCP data, NetworkManager messes something up in ResolveD.
Which lasts until ResolveD is restarted without that AP being connectable.

[dire igloo]

So when I connect to work wifi, something breaks inside NetworkManager (*or ResolveD).
And it only goes back to working after rebooting the PC

[twin dew]

One test you could do would be:
Connect to work AP.
Disconnect and delete the config.
Connect to phone AP.
Test that stuff is still broken with DNS.
Restart just systemd-resolved.
See if DNS works now.

To differentiate between NM keeping broken stuff, and ResolveD getting broken by NM.

[dire igloo]

Tested some more stuff.
Rebooted with phone hotspot connected and work wifi configured, stuff worked instantly.
Connected to work wifi, loaded a webpage, didn't load.
Connected to phone hotspot again, loaded another webpage, worked.

[twin dew]

Just weird...

But actually out of door ->

[dire igloo]

Yep, have fun

Or whatever else you tell people that go grocery shopping

[sharp matrix]

Have fun

[dire igloo]

Connected to work AP.
Removed work AP network (deleted the config) while connected.
Connected to phone AP.
Pinged muensteresports.de, Name or service not known.

Probably just had the other sites cached then

It gets weirder

Connected to work wifi, shit broke.
Disconnected from work wifi, connected to phone, removed work wifi config, shit still broken.
Restarted ResolveD, shit still broken

Wtf, it's getting really strange now

Deleted OpenWLAN config.
Rebooted.
Automatically connected to phone wifi.
DNS still broken

wtf

This is straight after reboot

Rebooted again, works without issues now

It just won't make sense

[twin dew]

Next point would probably be NetworkManager logs, and ResolveD debug logs.
But no idea where first would be or if there would be anything usable.
And the default level on which ResolveD logs doesn't probably contain anything relevant, and don't currently know/remember how to make it log more.

journalctl is probable place for NM logs, but not sure.
That is the systemd common logging system, and that is where resolved logs to.

Also, to earlier.
That NXDOMAIN is return that means No such domain.
So it isn't that ResolveD isn't able to connect to a DNS server.
It thinks it connected and got response that says no such domain exists...
If it couldn't get response, it should respond with SERVFAIL instead.

But as the actual direct queries to that configured DNS server did return valid responses...

But might also be partially too aggressive caching of negative entries in ResolveD.
To disable:

Cache=no-negative```

Or just "no" to disable local caching completely.

resolvectl show-cache allow to view current cache.
resolvectl monitor allows to view the queries hitting that stub-resolver at real-time.

[dire igloo]

I've decided it's weekend time for me, already shut down the laptop and getting ready to head home

If the logs persist, I'll check them when I'm back.
If not, testing will probably continue on Monday

[twin dew]

And that resolvectl has options to override DNS server etc. settings.
resolvectl --help
https://man.archlinux.org/man/resolvectl.1.en

[warped cargo]

can someone give me a pc?

thanks

[slow flint]

I've got a macintosh Plus
If you can get satisfactory running on it you can have it

[full tide]

huh

is this allowed @coral fiber

🤔

[coral fiber]

why are you @'ing me?

[full tide]

dis idk if its true sorry

Should i ping moderator

[sharp matrix]

Lol idk

[coral fiber]

i'm not a mod

[sharp matrix]

[full tide]

<@&387163995947270144> idk if its true can you see if it is please 🙂

[sharp matrix]

Im still not sure why your pinging a mod but ok

[warped cargo]

its very true

[velvet jasper]

I need help with choosing a PSU for my PC build, I can send a parts list

Pls help

[quasi citrus]

how about giving the link to the part list then? 🙂

[pure karma]

im not gonna reccomend any PSU's just use the tier list is all il say

[dire igloo]

I wonder why people do this.
Ask for help and just intentionally withhold information that would undoubtedly be relevant to the helpers

[pure karma]

i more hate when they ask for help and then disapear off the face of the earth

[quasi citrus]

i think it is the "can i ask a question?" syndrom already asking a question 🙂

[dire igloo]

dontasktoask.com

[pure karma]

lowkey fire website

[pure karma]

@sharp matrix 29.99 is pretty optimistic but im hyped anyway lol considering anything releasing anytime soon is 80

[sharp matrix]

Thats the announced price🤷‍♂️

[pure karma]

they anouced it?

dang i dident even see it

i tought they only anouced the date

[languid gulch]

but also don't buy it

[sharp matrix]

Im going to buy it and you cant stop me mwhahaha

[pure karma]

Yea lowkey secretly hope for it to be no mans sky 2

[languid gulch]

my issues with it is that i want it to be good enough to buy. when it's complete. but also, i want the devs out from under Kratom so that they don't have to send them a dime after the shit that went on

[sharp matrix]

Oh krafton, i have words for that but it would probably get me banned

[languid gulch]

there's a reason i didn't use their name

[twin dew]

Where that second isn't going to happen, as Krafton still owns the studio, and there are no court plans to try to change that.
Just force return to the old studio heads having the operational control like the original agreement stipulated.

[soft bloom]

sometimes I am blown away by how fast pandas can be
othertimes I use profanity when it eats memory without any control

[oblique hamlet]

"eats memory without any control"
you're talking about web browsers right?

[soft bloom]

not even close

[languid gulch]

wish i could easily yank the battery out of my "dead" mouse and just plug it into this one for some stupid long life

[robust fractal]

Hi everyone,

I’m looking for someone interested in helping with an experimental UI/UX prototype.

The ideal person has experience with Unity, interactive interfaces, spatial UI, tool design, or polished prototypes. I’m looking for someone curious, self-driven, fast at testing ideas, and comfortable working with early-stage concepts.

I’m keeping the project details broad for now.

If you’re interested, please DM me with a short intro: who you are, what you can do, what tools you use, your realistic availability, and any examples of your work.

[soft bloom]

How unsafe is 246V ac? For PSU

[soft bloom]

I don't like the fact that I heard faint high-pitched noise like someone was screaming but from within my pc

[glossy glacier]

Check the specs if your PSU is rated for it

[pure karma]

i mean generally there only speced to 240V so your gambling but for short periods ehh

[soft bloom]

it is not

[pure karma]

thats quite a bit over tho so thats a dodgy outlet level issue for sure

[soft bloom]

outlet?
more like power grid of entire country...

[pure karma]

thats when one of those battery thingies comes into play UPS's i think there called?

we have 120V here and rn my thingy is reading shifts between 120.6V-121.3V

[soft bloom]

after second power shutdown,
voltage dropped a calm 228V
and frequency, for the first time in last couple weeks (of my infrequent measurements) is a nice clean 50.0Hz (and not 49.9(

[pure karma]

so a whole 6V over is a lot

[soft bloom]

they don't like being used that much... sadly
in fact, the ones I have are more picky to the input than PC's PSU

they jsust don't charge if V is below 190V

[pure karma]

i should probably get one of those but im too lazy and batteries are expensive

[soft bloom]

the shortlasting quiet period has ended...

[tribal kraken]

If you get online UPS, their inverter will fix any dirty voltage or frequency input into nice and healty output for PC and other sensitive equipment

For today

Not that input voltage in range 227-232 would ne anyway noticeable

Or bad in rural area

[pure karma]

terrible discord change i just noticed

you can no longer search for messages by a speciffic person

as well as the other ones but thats the main one i recall

oh wait nevermind im stupid

streamermode being on for no reasson as usual

[mental oriole]

Nice they broke search again

[twin dew]

Works fine, MagicZ did say that the cause was streamer mode being on for some reason.

[mental oriole]

It's not working for me with streamer mode off.

Nice side bar on the right...

[twin dew]

Ah, on mobile app?
I was just testing site version.

[mental oriole]

Works on mobile but it didnt work on desktop when I tested this morning.

[pure karma]

Well turning it off brought it back but they have been messing with it lately so it wouldn’t surprise me if it was broke

But yea no mobile works i can confirm that

[winged valley]

This a good glossary? (For a home server user/installation manual)

[pure karma]

All my usb devices keep disconecting at random (on both my desktops) like montly and everytime it throws this warning in event viewer at the time but i dont really get how im meant to do anything about that

[oblique hamlet]

I would reccomend checking USB power saving/sleep settings

[twin dew]

USB bluetooth chipset doesn't support Bluetooth LE.
Or otherwise errored out when it should have replied with capability mask.
Seems like it errored out, as the mask is wrong length and all 1-bits.

More likely to be result of whatever is the actual issue than the issue itself.

That system USB functionality glitches, and that is just error from during that glitch where the USB BT driver cannot talk with the BT chipset, or from when the functionaly is starting to recover, but the chipset is in buggy state.

And in case you are confused, most combined WLAN & BT adapters have WLAN via PCIe and BT via USB, even when they are M.2 cards etc.

Which is just weird in my eyes when both are in single chip.

[pure karma]

so something actually broke and its not just a software issue?

iv had back io issues with the ethernet not working at all if you remember so starting to have issues with usb more and more frequently doesn’t surprise me much

[twin dew]

https://www.techpowerup.com/349047/amd-fsr-upscaling-4-1-officially-arrives-to-radeon-rx-7000-6000-gpus

No idea why mixing 7000 and 6000 in the headline together:

Finally, FSR Upscaling 4.1 is also coming to older RDNA 2 GPUs, but that port will have to wait until early 2027

[visual tree]

I found one thing AI is EXTREMELY bad at: electrical installations

Example:

Should have become an electrician, AI will never replace that job considering the shit above lol

The first thing that caught my eye is grounding, neutral and live wires connected to the same terminal block on the right

There are also some dangerous mistakes too besides the terminal block

[civic gulch]

cant break if it aint connected

[vocal thorn]

Ai has several mental problems when talking about warthunder 😭

It’s BAD

[pure karma]

its bad at games in general

[oblique hamlet]

its bad in general

[pure karma]

still probably safer than our north american jerry rigging

[soft bloom]

it talks about snail?

[vocal thorn]

It says uh let’s see

Yeah a 20mm cannon can frontally penetrate 800+ mm of armour

[twin dew]

Current LLMs are bad in anything that needs to be factual and the answer isn't VERY common on internet data it was trained on.

[dire igloo]

It's a linguistic predictor.
Its primary objective is to sound as much as a human as possible

LLMs are just pretenders, they look at a bunch of word data and try to guess what the next word in a sequence will be

It's like those "what number comes next?" puzzles but a lot more complicated

It's like going up to a random guy on the street and asking him about stuff, except he doesn't have the capability of realizing he doesn't know the answer but he DOES have the ability to come up with a very convincing answer on the spot

[twin dew]

Ultimate realistic sounding bullshit generation algorithm.

Which for things that are old enough to be included in the training material, and common enough in the training material, with specific answer that hasn't been swamped by wrong answers in the training matrial, can give usable answer.
But if you know enough to be able to differentiate between right and wrong answers, you don't need to ask the LLM.

[dire igloo]

I basically use it as a machine for "I can't think of the right solution rn, give me a dozen possible solutions and I'll recognize the correct one"

Which rarely happens to begin with but even in those scenarios, it often just doesn't work

I've tried using Copilot once to bulletproof an argument I was preparing but it ended up just agreeing with me on everything, so I got basically nowhere.
The idea was for the LLM to throw random shit at my reasoning to try and disprove it so that I would be prepared when others will try to argue against me. Didn't work at all

[soft bloom]

It's use should have been restricted to "search" from the beginning.
It can search for stuff thanks to more sophisticated embeds than usual indexing.
But companies wanted this hype and made it in form of chat

[dire igloo]

Using LLMs for search is dumb, there's better ML tech for that.

The point of LLMs is to produce text that's indistinguishable from human writing (or human speech in general).
That's what they are built for and chatbots are the most obvious usecase that's more complex than a basic text generators

The term "AI" has been buzzworded so much that people started confusing the different technologies that make up the field of Machine Learning.

And with LLMs (especially ChatGPT) gaining a whole lot of popularity, people wanted to use this "AI" stuff for other things they wanted automated - except they lacked the proper knowledge to realize that slapping an LLM onto something doesn't make it automated

And that's actually where most of the issues lie when people want to put AI into something.
Instead of asking themselves "how do we best automate this?" they try to squeeze an LLM into it in hopes that it will produce the desired automation - because they just don't know any better than to assume an LLM can do everything because LLM companies advertise their products as if they were all-capable

Well, that and the fact that generative models primarily produce slop and can't really create anything of good quality like a human could

[soft bloom]

Can you use the other ml tools to look for "what people are saying about X"?

[dire igloo]

I can use Google for that, just extend the search prompt with
site:reddit.com
Jokes aside, yeah, obviously. You can train a search model to value random people's comments higher than authored articles or an official web presence.

It actually makes less sense to use an LLM for that, because as explained above, LLMs are generative.
They don't search, they predict.

This is exactly what I mean, assuming that an LLM is the solution, then trying to make it work somehow.
Instead of taking a step back, looking at the problem and asking yourself "what's the best way to properly solve this?"

[soft bloom]

LLMs are a tool, and by themselves - not very useful.
Yet in tandem with other tools, like in RAG - it's a good way to improve search as a feature.

[soft bloom]

The difference is that LLMs encode tokens (words) differently, in a much better way when search engines did.
Llms are sensitive to context.
You can make a "search" in a form of question, where meaning (usage) of other words will change what the tool is looking for.

You could say that search engines are predicting what you were looking for by pulling entries that were indexed with same 'tokens'

Just that out of 2 approaches to encode, "understand" and predict desired outcome, one is more deterministic, and one uses richer embedding,

Also it's kind of calming that LLMs are going to doom themselves the more they are used for writing text that gets puplished on the internet and fed back into them

[night girder]

The amount of articles I read weekly "X company fires 25% to be replaced by AI".

Last one I remember was Gitlab.

[twin dew]

And in many cases then tries to rehire most back 6-12 months later, for the earliest ones.

[night girder]

Yup.

Another one was a dutch company, called Bird (20% replaced by AI).

I wonder if this is the same as the industrial revolution.

[visual tree]

Finally got rid of iPhone and switched back to Android

Got Galaxy S25 for only €200 through company although the company owns it for the first 2 years but I can buy it for a small amount after amortization

[night girder]

gratz!

I've been looking into the fairphone and linux OS.

But it doesn't support my bank app 🙁

Or maybe it does, but that's what community says about it.

and the topic is updated weekly

android is like trading one evil with another (google vs Apple)

[visual tree]

Good thing modern Android devices are now smooth and fast, including budget series like Galaxy A

I remember how laggy Android was 5 year or more

[night girder]

yeah

still, doesn't give two shits about your privacy.

[visual tree]

Don't want to even mention year 2007-2010 where you had to use microsd card because internal memory was not large enough for apps, those were fun times lol

Back then, iPhone was actually worth it compared to Android which was in early stage of development

[night girder]

I think iPhone is still better privacy/security wise. But it has other issues.

[visual tree]

Yeah, some iPhone features are driving me insane

[twin dew]

There are no non-Android based OS options for Fairphone?
Older ones have unofficial Sailfish ports and Ubuntu Touch as option.

[night girder]

Apple released update for 10 year old devices (devices that were EOL), because FBI got access to data because of notification bug or something. Apple fixed it. Kudos.

[night girder]

Euh?

[visual tree]

If I can't sell my iPhone, might as well send it to you since I don't want it lol

[twin dew]

That is Android fork.

Via LineageOS.

[night girder]

I only got those two options?

/e/OS v3.0.4 vs Android 15

[twin dew]

Difference is that that Android is with google apps.
And the other is Android fork without google apps.

[night girder]

Fairphone 6.

[night girder]

It's a bit more complex than that.

[twin dew]

Yes, like I said, LineageOS forked from mainline Android, and that /e/OS forked from LineageOS.

[night girder]

I mean... so it's not android?

There are many forks. But you don't name them the same as the original?

[twin dew]

More like distribution of Android.
Still Android base, just with some higher level stuff swapped.

The base is the same, the add-ons have been changed from Google stuff to other things.

[night girder]

It's focus is security and privacy?

So I wouldn't call it android. Which is google infested?

Same Android apps don't even work on it. So it's not that simple.

[twin dew]

Not really.
Base Android doesn't contain most of the Google stuff.
Google sets strict limits on you when you want the Google stuff in the phone.

And that the apps don't work is because they expect those extra Google APIs.

[night girder]

And telemetry should also be nuked.

I don't trust google on their word.

And the fairphone itself has other benefits too.

[twin dew]

There is the mainline open source Android.
Then there is the "Android (c)" with Google stuff in it.
And then there are forks of that mainline Android.

[night girder]

Focus mode for example.

And micro SD.

[twin dew]

My point was just that FairPhone 6 can only currently have various flavors of Android as the OS.

[night girder]

Ok ...

which I find weird statement.

[twin dew]

Because you seem to think that "Android" means the version of the OS that includes Googles closed source app package.
That they use to control phone manufacturers.
When it is just (almost must) add-on to the actual OS that just provides specific apps and their extra APIs.

[night girder]

Android is an operating system owned by Google which is based on a modified version of the Linux kernel and other free and open-source software,

So with your logic, it's actually linux then?

[twin dew]

When that is just the Google "distribution" of Android.

[twin dew]

Which is why I talked about the mainline open source Android, which is the base.

[night girder]

And that one is not owned by google? Or heavily steered by them (contributions made by mainly google?)

[twin dew]

In a way, but also not.
But point is to differentiate between that by itself.
That + Google closed source stuff.
And forks of the base OS, where the actual OS code is usually not much changed, the various forks just edit small parts and then add their own stuff on top to fill in for those missing Google closed source bits.
Like that /e/OS having MicroG inbuilt to provide replacement for some of the Google closed source APIs etc.

LineageOS 23 and 23.2 are for example based on Android 16.

Linux distributions and their fork trees are very close approximation about what is going on.

[night girder]

Well, I can live with that. I just don't want anything big tech anymore.

[twin dew]

Just with much more commonality on Android forks.

[night girder]

but like I said, my bank app wont work on it. So I am stuck with Apple.

I just don't fully understand how far you want to go back.

You say E/OS is Android based. Which is linux based?

So why not say E/OS is linux based? How far do you go back in the fork tree?

[twin dew]

Android is very customized Linux kernel + lot of very specific user mode software on top that is common to all Android forks.

Where that user stuff has very little commonality with general Linux userland.

So Android can be seen as Linux distro, with its own fork-tree.
But it is way more separate from most other Linux distros as its own ecosystem.
Including all the various subdistros like LineageOS, /e/OS etc.

Which are much more like for example most Ubuntu forks that just replace desktop manager when comparing to base Android.

As there have been other Linux kernel based mobile OS attempts, Nokia Maemo, Meego, whatever the Intel one was called, Ubuntu Touch, SailfishOS etc.
That don't share the user mode and GUI layers of Android.

[twin dew]

Think about Chromium and Chrome.
Chromium is the Google managed open source project that is the actual browser.
Chrome is the Googles own version that is Chromium + stuff.
And then there are plenty of other browsers based on Chromium and forked from it.
But keeping up to date with that mainline base.

And not complete forks where the codebases start to diverge over time.
But fork where the fork tries to keep in sync with the mainline, just with limited patchset on top of things that mainline isn't willing to take in or other similar reasons.

Android Open Source Project (AOSP) (and forks) vs. Android© (with Google closed source stuff in it)

[night girder]

I think even discord runs on Chromium.

Oh, sorry. Confusing it with electron.

But Electron uses Chromium?

[twin dew]

Electron App Framework, based on Chromium.

Basically JS app running in dedicated Chromium.

[night girder]

So yeah. How far down the rabbit hole can we go 😅

[twin dew]

Electron just packages Chromium and NodeJS and possibly other minor things into easy to deploy package to use for locally running HTML+JS "native" app.

[visual tree]

This is only the beginning https://youtu.be/E_I_N_ODzmA?is=IOBZi-fqpbaw6oQZ

Our town major recently raised water bills by 50-70%. Imagine if there was a data center nearby

Basically, water will cost as much as electricity here which was unthinkable 5 years ago

[visual tree]

My bad: Lake Tahoe residents will not loose access to electricity but they need to find a new energy partner which almost certainly means higher prices

[languid gulch]

it's a way to nullify a contract without fault so no penalties or lawsuits will show up

my bet is that the datacenter bribed someone to get the old elec rates locked in for themselves, and now the power companies get to absolutely screw over the homes in the area with fresh negotiations

[visual tree]

Krafton CEO must be so pissed right now because of Subnautica 2 excellent sales 🤣

[twin dew]

Wouldn't have bought today, as early early access title, without the fuckery and reversal.

[pure karma]

Thing is iv put in about 12 hours 90% of which has been multiplayer and at no point has it felt like EA it feels done

[night girder]

damn, two million copies old in less than 24 hours.

I guess "Bad Publicity is Still Publicity" holds true.

[dire igloo]

there was bad publicity?
Subnautica 2 got a lot of coverage with the lawsuit but I can't think of anything that I would consider to be negative towards the game or its devs

only positivity towards game and devs and negativity towards Krafton's CEO

[visual tree]

Better pull out the wallet and prepare that $250 million bonus

[night girder]

I wouldn't call it possitive either.

A gaming CEO asked ChatGPT how to avoid paying a $250 million bonus. It didn’t work

Some dude trying to fuck over the developers isn't possitive news in my book.

And the court descision was possitive news.

[dire igloo]

it's not positive news but it's not bad publicity for the game either

because none of the reporting presented the game or its devs in any negative way

[night girder]

Firing Ted Gill isn't good publicity.

[dire igloo]

and even the proceedings and result of the court case don't paint the devs and the game in a bad way

it's mainly the CEO of the parent company that received bad publicity

[night girder]

And I still think the whole ordeal, influences the popularity/sales.

And I don't mean that in a bad way. Just an observation.

[dire igloo]

yeah, all good

it's just that the saying "there is no such thing as bad publicity" refers to the fact that even when you report negatively on something, you're still reporting it which gives it more reach than it would've gotten otherwise - which ultimately means people hear about it who either don't care about the negative aspects, miss it or it gets omitted from them

in this case, "no such thing as bad publicity" would apply to Krafton and its CEO if they somehow end up being better off because of the media coverage

which they might because Subnautica 2 doing well still makes them money

[pure karma]

you know what would be the absolute cherry on top to krafton on top of them losing 44$ per sale of subnautica 2

unknown worlds using the 250M bonus to seperate from krafton by buying themselfs back

[languid gulch]

the problem is that krafton won't accept it, they'll set the price too high for a buyout

would be nice to see tho

[twin dew]

New version of this thing, with new default config file included.
Still need to do full test pass on all the errors and corner cases, but should be about ready now.
Pylint is happy except for missing documentation.
Flake8 doesn't like some of the whitespace I did, to align stuff on different lines for readability.
Both of course complain about some of the line lengths unless using modified settings.

Edit: New version of the script in message: #off-topic-tech message

[twin dew]

Again wanting any and all feedback.
Like before, will not implement all, but want to hear it and respond.

[twin dew]

And implementing any kind of unit testing is way out of my league right now.
Tried to rejigger some things so it should be now closer to possible.

[night girder]

github is your friend.

also a readme would be handy telling what script does and how it works. And with how I mean "how the user can use it" not what lines of code do.

[twin dew]

Again, major rewrite of: https://github.com/azlux/nft-dns
And will be sending it back to the original author at some point.

[night girder]

Rewrite can still be documented and forked on github.

Chances are bigger someone picks it up and finds a bug and make pull request 🙂

[night girder]

"PR are accepted on the source only."

[twin dew]

Yeah, just that that github page is better documented than the other place.

[night girder]

I wont accept a full rewrite. Just too much headache. But maybe the developer would.

[twin dew]

Which is linked in the readme.

And if he/she accepts it or not is up to them.
I just wanted actually working version for myself.
And I'm not willing to publish that rewrite publicly myself at this point.

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

Goes against how open source stuff works but ok.

class ConfigException(Exception): pass

[twin dew]

Just making new exception where only change is the name.
So I don't have to catch generic one or like.

Pretty common thing AFAIK.

[night girder]

debatable.

[twin dew]

That I'm willing to send the stuff back upstream, but not publish it myself where I would need to put my actual name up tied to the thing?

[night girder]

case _: logger.setLevel(DEBUG) config_exception = ConfigException( "Unsupported logging level", [] )

ConfigException... Unsupported logging level?

You made a seperate exception, if someone parse a logging level that doesn't exist?

That's some ... next level stuff I wouldn't be bothered by.

I have to go out for a walk. But I will test it later. I am pretty sure logger itself shoudl handle that stuff. The package.

But I am not sure for python what happens if you do logger.setLevel(WTFBRO?). It should default or throw error.

[twin dew]

Point is to stop the config parsing on errors.
Used to be just exit(1):s, now it throws exceptions, and catches in main and exits.

Yes, it would throw exception and crash the program.
But point is to handle the expected settings, and quit and inform the user if something isn't right.

Which is the point of that simple inherited exception class, to not swallow any exceptions I didn't want to handle.

Which just throwing Exception:s would cause.

[night girder]

So if you try except, you can just print the error and continue script.

I entered a not existing level. And then the script seems to continue? Else it wouldn't print hello world.

[twin dew]

Yes, but point is that I don't want to continue if there are errors in the config.
As by default the thing will be running as service.

[night girder]

sys.exit()

and it wont continue.

So print error and sys.exit().

[twin dew]

And point was to move to exceptions from that, for both testing purposes if someone in future wants to do unit testing.
And to allow using the stuff as includes in other code.

[night girder]

You also said you didn't want to share the script with anyone else?

[twin dew]

It used to be log error and exit.

[night girder]

So why go through all this trouble, if nobody else is going to use it besides you?

[twin dew]

If the upstream doesn't accept it, not for this time.

[twin dew]

Hobby thing.

[night girder]

Or is this to protect yourself in the future for setting non existing logging levels.

Which, like I said, the package does handle.

Yeah, I get that. Just from personal experience. I wasted shitton of time on that kind of stuff.

[twin dew]

Point is to give different error report than what the logging.setLevel() would give itself.

[night girder]

And I wouldn't do it again. Because I learned I was doing it wrong. The packages are so mature that if you need to spend so much code on it, you probably not doing it right.

I have no regrets of doing the stuff you did, because I learned and enjoyed it. But now if I write a script, I just focus on the actual goal.

[twin dew]

ERROR: Config Error: Unsupported logging level. Exiting.
DEBUG: Need to be one of: 'debug', 'info', 'warning', 'error' or 'none'. Current: 'notsupported'

[night girder]

If I am really bored and have too much time on my hands, yeah I do the extra fluff.

Like I am thinking of making my own progression bar for a script 😏

I remember doing years ago something with \r to keep pasting on the same line, and made a progress bar that way.

[night girder]

Yeah can do that all in the except clause I wrote before. That's what it's for.

print(error)
print(please parse 'info', 'warning' ....)

[twin dew]

And if you note, I do stuff that info into the exception, throw it, and catch in Main(), outside of stuff that external use would do, print and exit.

Using same thing in multiple places for different config errors.

[night girder]

The logging package has the error "unknown level: 'test' so it's already a "feature" and a exception they (developers of package) are aware off.

Than its up to developers to give extra info if they want or not. Some don't want to give extra info for obvious reasons.

also, as I am OOP programmer, split functionality into classes 🤣

I know it's a python thing to make one script. But if you doing it as a hobby, it's fun thing to start with classes in seperate files and get it all to work.😏

makes testing easier too (visually).

For example main.py and customLogger.py or customException.py. Than you already know that those 3 can be tested separately.

[twin dew]

But would make deployment much more pain, and the file isn't that large.

[night girder]

Euh, yeah no. My lead would not allow it.

Even a time there was a rule no more than 10 - 20 lines of code per method.

And no classes larger than 100 lines.

Any of those two cases and he said; "You done something wrong".

And with wrong, the architecture/structuring of the code.

It would all work fine. But it was not up to clean code practices they wanted.

[twin dew]

Splitting that Update() would be real pain, with the continues etc.
Could be done, but would make it more complex, not simpler.

[night girder]

If you do it right, it wont be more complex.

It's getting the "do it right" part that is a PITA.

Don't get my wrong, I 100% understand you 😛

But since you said it's a hobby, I am just throwing a few more challenges your way haha.

This book, was kind of the bible for a project I worked.

But in the end, it's just one way of coding. And doesn't mean that other types are "bad". There are some pretty bad code bases out there. But if it's only for you? Who cares. If you work together. Decide together how you want to code etc.

[twin dew]

Yes, it could be done, by restructuring more.
But that is first Python thing I have ever done, and it started as minor rewrite to fix some bugs in the original.
And then ballooned from there.
It is going into production use, but lot of the rewrite wouldn't have been strictly necessary.

[night girder]

Is the word I am looking for "be pragmatic?" Not sure.

Just see how it goes and fix/adjust along the way.

[night girder]

Also, it's not about how large it is. It's 756 lines 🤦‍♂️

already giving me a headache scrolling up and down.

[twin dew]

Yeah, organization.
I know.
But in some cases having it in one file is easier for the actual use.
For development multiple files would be better.

[night girder]

While so much could have been put in seperate files so one can focus on the things.

[twin dew]

But a problem for small stuff when you don't compile the thing in the end to one executable, but that file is the "executable" as itself.
Downsides of scripting languages.

[twin dew]

Original had worst of both worlds.
It has one main file, and additional file that only contained single dataclasses definition...

Well, Pydantic version, stripped Pydantic dependencies out, only that dataclass equivalent and then IPvAny class instead of just strings.

And when that DNS resolver just outputs strings, and NFTables takes strings, it was kind of useless as intermediate step with validation.

And then added more dependencies by moving to those NFTables Python bindings instead of original just calling nft command in shell.

[visual tree]

@tribal kraken Finally joined the club 😁

I am only allowed to turn on the solar power plant during testing and keep it turned off until I get final permit

[pure karma]

Ugly roof

[visual tree]

I need to remove moss from the chimney btw

Dust on the roof tiles are from the panel installation and they will be washed away by rain hopefully 😅

At least I am no longer an energy slave lol

The installer freaked out when he saw 63 amp fuse though

Mentioned a family house should have 30 amps instead of 63 amps but this is what we got installed from the utility company 40 years ago when the house was built so I have no idea why I have 63 amps

[twin dew]

There is no "should".
Just what is norm to save on costs.

Just that traditionally bigger feed costs more as both install time charge, and as higher base pay after.
If you don't have enough, you get issues.
If you have too much, you just pay more, even if that, in base charge.
And upscaling the feed to the house is very expensive, often needing completely new install, costing as much as getting the bigger one straight away.
Downscaling should only need new smaller main fuses and resealing.

[visual tree]

He probably got confused because the utility company granted me max power of 13,80 kw from the grid when the house was built and those fuses above mean I could theoretically get even more kw although I doubt it

[pure karma]

Since when can you control downloads remotely on desktop steam????

[visual tree]

People who want to install solar power plants in the future might not get a permit because the grid is almost overloaded from solar power plants

[pure karma]

thats actually really nice

[visual tree]

My coworkers who live in apartment buildings have this problem. When you have a house, a single mains supply cable is only for you and the power is not split. When you live in a residential buidling, a single mains supply cable is split between building apartments and the power meters often reset due to limiters

Meaning, if you turn on multiple devices with high power draw like AC or oven, you will trigget the power meter limiter and will have to reset the meter

Never had this case in my home because I have 13,8 kw limit and it's really hard to reach that limit unless you literally turned on every single appliance in home at the same time

[twin dew]

Those fuses can be anything up to whatever current the actual cables used can take.
But using larger diameter cables is costly in materials etc.
And usually people get the minimum size to be able to handle that kW limit they pay at the start, for when original installation is done.

And then often the owner 30+ years later curses the original cheapscates.

Because that extra cost from going to double limit is just drop in a bucket compared to the cost of the whole house build.

[visual tree]

Guess I don't have to worry about that

Too bad the electrician couldn't install huawei smart power sensor since there was not enough space in the breaker box. I will have to install a larger breaker box later I guess....

[soft bloom]

I am a bit... lagging on recent graphic advancement
was Lumen / ray tracing / whatever that (family of ) lighting model is called been used more cently?

I am replaying TTP2 and just can't help myself but like every time they placed light emitter to add some artistic tough to the scene

(so sad it's no longer part of SF...)

totally not just dumping my screenshots...
or could point a finger and say that it's a cheap illusion

[verbal raft]

what game is this

[soft bloom]

the Talos Principle 2

[verbal raft]

cant really group them all together like that

[soft bloom]

this is form a small segment that you run through in like 5-10 minutes.
it's actually mostly under open air
but sometimes thry drip you with some heavy atmosphere goodness

[verbal raft]

theres some great atmosphere there
but foliage isnt really shaded properly there..

[soft bloom]

yeah, shadows are missing here for some reason.

[verbal raft]

AO too from the foliage

im starting to understand more and more why U+ discord praises megalights so much..

im pretty certain it'd fix those shading issues..

[pure karma]

yea the talos principle remake and second game used UE the right way

[soft bloom]

which is weird, given that same game does great detailed shadows from foliage moving under wind under sun
(I think some screenshots are missing... could windows or steam clean them? sad)

[pure karma]

terain is pretty mid in that tho to be fair

[soft bloom]

and here. even individual grass leaves have shadow

last one, I promise

[verbal raft]

jesus

would make CSS jealous

[soft bloom]

U+?

[verbal raft]

ultra +
graphics tweakers/modders

[soft bloom]

yeah that happens... dithering in water reflection looks a bit questionable at closer look.
but if you just™ defocus a bit... hehe

[verbal raft]

UE SSR my beloved

[soft bloom]

they used megascan, some rocks are very detailed
this is just first one I looked at and saw shadow from trees hehe (btw tree is not in the shot)

[pure karma]

i dident even catch that until you mentioend it so it passes

[night girder]

The shadows underneath the leave is because of ray tracing I think?

[slate depot]

doing shadows from direct lighting is a lot easier than shadows from indirect lighting

[night girder]

and yeah, UE5 is heavy on the megascan models. Easily accessible.

[verbal raft]

yeah
its also much easier to do noise free direct lighting than to do the same with indirect

[soft bloom]

better rocks, more fine shadows

[night girder]

quixel.com/megascans (that's what UE5 promotes)

It's impressive.

[soft bloom]

not mine, but damn!
shadows

[verbal raft]

that post processing is killing me

[night girder]

www.fab.com/sellers/Quixel Megascans (if you want to browse actually models).

[soft bloom]

I might have added film grain...

[verbal raft]

now this i think looks good
though i still think the grass could use some more AO

[verbal raft]

and CA, sharpening..

[night girder]

how big is install size? 😏

[soft bloom]

more TTP2
the vine on the tree trunk on the right has individual leaves in and out of shadow
leaves above don't just get in shadow but also glow because of the angle

[soft bloom]

idk about reawakaneed, but TTP2 is around 100GB

[pure karma]

not much

[pure karma]

since when???

i remember when i played it originally it was less than 60GB

unless they made some more improvements since

[soft bloom]

I thought so too...
maybe DLC added a few dozen GB (given it has a lot of world stuff)
I can't look right now because steam is again blackscreening me...

[verbal raft]

jesus

that noise looks like PT without a denoiser

[pure karma]

you cant escape nosie on UE to be fair

iv been noticing it a bunch of subnautica 2 lately aswell

so much noise on reflective surfaces

[verbal raft]

it also doesnt have to be any where near that bad

[soft bloom]

when you look at it on 4k screen you don't notice it a lot

[verbal raft]

wtf did the devs do smh

[soft bloom]

don't forget it might be from FrameGen

no wait it shouldn't count for screenshots

[verbal raft]

--or standing still

[pure karma]

there framegen trailing that stays for a while if you only stay still for a sec or 2

but thats not framegen slop at all since the numbers are clear

[verbal raft]

nope

frame gen artifacting should be gone the next frame after you stop moving
there shouldnt be any delay

if there is its not FG

[soft bloom]

sadly it just trails for a second..

[pure karma]

that is just straight up wrong tho

in reality it trails for a while

[soft bloom]

pretty sure SF has that too
if you walk in dark room and notice reflections from tiny lights on machinery - it has tendency to flow slowly
but that shouldn't be for shadows...

[verbal raft]

nope

thats TAA

[soft bloom]

ok, but what is then?

[verbal raft]

what you described is lumens temporal denoiser

[slate depot]

dat occluded subsurface scattering tho

[verbal raft]

temporal accumilation*
doesnt necessarily have to be TAA

[slate depot]

idk man in terms of a full frame I think this is pretty acceptable, you had to zoom in on this pretty aggressively to find this noise and let's not forget this is a realtime application, not an offline render

[soft bloom]

I most likely was using FSR

[slate depot]

in cases where you can't match ground truth perfectly you at least want to try matching a ground truth histogram which that frame looks like it does pretty competently

[soft bloom]

that shot doesn't have UI - so it was made in photo mode
but idk if it was before they made it more reliable

[verbal raft]

the zoom was only enough to make the screenshots 4k pixelgrid fit on my 1080p display

[verbal raft]

FSR 2+ is TAA
but like FSR isnt capable of the level of smearing lumens temporal denoiser is

[slate depot]

I think a 2x zoom is pretty aggressive when you're evaluating visuals, especially in realtime rendering apps

bc that's not how you're actually consuming the content

[soft bloom]

here, lights that cast shadows, and there's plenty of reflection

[pure karma]

thats a lot more than 2 thats dang near 4

its absolutely reasonable

[slate depot]

fitting a 4k pixel grid to a 1080p display is a 2x zoom

[verbal raft]

i was using discords built in zoom

[soft bloom]

and yes, shadow does change depending on the viewing angle

[verbal raft]

which also applies some spatial upscale

[verbal raft]

which ends up blurring stuff

[slate depot]

that's pretty

[verbal raft]

downloading the image and using ICAT's zoom / discord zoom

[soft bloom]

either way, my eye is like "okay, there's some shadow there"

[slate depot]

it looks like they're approximating the area lights with point lights which is fair, I don't think LTC shadows are figured out yet, but it looks very nice

[verbal raft]

yeah

every UE game does this unless using megalights

[soft bloom]

pheh
yep. that one grass model has no shadow

[slate depot]

oops

[soft bloom]

super heavy shadows
it's in cutscene where... there's are jsutified post-processing noise filters (hence the grid and broken pixels)
but oh man the heat of the star is immense

[soft bloom]

75 base, 25 DLC

considering that DLC has 3 fairly large worlds - that's neat

[pure karma]

definitely partially but uhh FG amplifies it (i spoilered it since its a subnautica 2 example since iv been noticing it a lot in that)

[verbal raft]

Im not seeing anything but moyion blurr

[soft bloom]

and those blobs of extra noise are likely droplets on helmet

[twin dew]

@soft bloom and @mental oriole
If you want to take a look at the new version and comment.

[mental oriole]

No time at work (:

[twin dew]

No hurry, as in just wanted to notify that that existed.
If it takes few weeks, no problem.

[soft bloom]

quickly can sa y that... ruff would reformat for you 🙂
it's not just extremely easy - it is written in rust and is very fast

[twin dew]

I did use black to reformat, then reformat some stuff back.

As Ruff is not included as package in debian stable yet.
Only Testing.

Just that flake8 doesn't like the realigning of the early assignments etc.

With extra whitespace.

Or aligning multiline strings so that the contents align, instead of the start of the line.

When some of the strings start with just ", some with f", some with + " and some with +f".

Same with the line length thing, we aren't using old style text terminals anymore where you could only fit 80 characters on the screen at same time sideways.

So excessive multilining to keep lines that short is IMHO just stupid.
Needs to be short enough to be readable without excessive head movement.

[soft bloom]

I will need to look into code closer once I am more awake...

[twin dew]

Where that multilining makes it less clear, not more.

[twin dew]

Yeah, no hurry, same as for Kit, I posted that yesterday once without pings, but as there were no acknowledgement at all, and newer stuff pushed it up, wanted to make proper notification now.

Like said, I haven't even done proper testing of that code yet.
Just that it runs on the normal track and seems to work the same as before on quick look.

But unless I find bugs when testing bad configs or longer term actual running, that should be it.
Still need to finalize some SystemD unit files too.

So for example flake8 doesn't like this:

class Defaults:
    log_format:   str  = "%(asctime)8s,%(msecs)03d %(levelname)5s: %(message)s"
    log_datefmt:  str  = "%X"```
Because there is extra spaces to align the stuff for readability.

readability in my mind, some do prefer it to be with minimal whitespace, which is kind of better on one line only view.

    log_datefmt: str="%X"```

With 13 such lines in that class.

The points are based to have single space on the longest one.

One of the classic differences-in-opinion style things in coding, to align with extra whitespace or not in that kind of blocks.

[twin dew]

This in turn was a thing that pylint didn't like by default, too many members in a class.

[night girder]

have you used pylint?

www.pylint.org

[twin dew]

Which I mentioned in the previous message on the channel?

Complains on defaults about the missing docstrings for everything.
That defaults class having 13 members when default limit is 7.
configure_sets() having 16 local variables when default limit is 15 and being 55 statements long when default limit is 50.
And then 12 lines being too long, when default limit is 100, with longest being 130 characters.

For 8.88 of 10 as rating without any overrides.

That configure_sets could be split up, but that would just be lipstick and kind of make it harder to read.
When you would just need to jump into another part of the file to continue reading then jump back.

[night girder]

ok

[twin dew]

Flake8 in turn on defaults just complains about extra or missing whitespace and too long lines.

Doesn't like +f"<string>" and would want space between + and f

  +f"Current: '{parser.get(section, "domains")}'",```

When I have done that kind of sacrilage to multiline string.

Would want it to be:

    + f"Current: '{parser.get(section, "domains")}'",```

Like black autoformatted it to, and I then manually changed after.

pylint rating goes up to 9.53/10 when I tell it to ignore that docstrings are missing.

And to 9.91/10 if I just tell that and that max line length is 130 and not the default 100, leaving just that one instance of too many attributes, one too many locals and one too many statements.
Where the latter two could be easily fixed in code by putting in subfunctions, but that would IMHO make the actual function harder to read.

[twin dew]

But just got into editing the exception stuff by creating actual modified init and changing how the additional lines are being added...

This kind of insanity:

            raise ConfigException(
                "Invalid line(s) in main config file",
                [
                   f"File: '{exception.source.absolute()}', "
                  +f"Line {entry[0]}: '{entry[1].rstrip('\n')}'."
                    for entry in exception.errors
                ],
            ) from exception```

But seems I need to reformat them all after taking example with black.

Edited the previous to match.

[twin dew]

Full new version of the script file with those exception changes, will link in the original message:

Which also made pylint not complain about too many local variables or too many statements in that one function anymore.
So just documention, line-lengths and that defaults class having too many variables/attributes.

[twin dew]

This ends up printing:

10:47:20,682 DEBUG: File: '/usr/local/sbin/nft-dns.conf', Line 4: 'jotain'.
10:47:20,682 DEBUG: File: '/usr/local/sbin/nft-dns.conf', Line 5: 'ihan'.
10:47:20,682 DEBUG: File: '/usr/local/sbin/nft-dns.conf', Line 6: 'muuta'.```
And exiting. Because of those three lines of random finnish crap. "Something completely different"

Just converted that ", Line X: " to lowercase.

[verbal raft]

I wouldnt be shocked if they were interpolation artifacts but like bruh, using moyion blurr with FG ? Smh
Itd be so much more interesting to see these artifacts happenin on actual details

DLSS FG is kinda garbage in sn2 tho tbf

[pure karma]

so what ima not and leave the 25 pixel textures and shadows unsmeared?

[sharp matrix]

Amazing shadow detail indeed

[sharp matrix]

Well cant really save this games optimization issues with it being a ue5 game, but heck its ea1, so maybe performance will improve in the future, not that fg in sn2 doesnt look like ass, alot of artifacts with that

Maybe this the sad future, where we just fg and upscale and try to believe a engine isnt complete trash

Remember monster hunters set the sad standard, fg required just to reach 60 fps

[pure karma]

Oh yea no im playing at 40fps with framegen on Sn2

Feels fine surprisingly but its not good at all

[sharp matrix]

So 20 fps without framegen, and im getting 40 fps without framegen, welp

Im not suprised i saw a 5090 cant reach 60 fps at 4k without upscaling, classic ue5 moments

[verbal raft]

no
you'll use my tweaks

[verbal raft]

i thought you had a B580 💀

[sharp matrix]

Tweaks wont save sn2 performance issues, or maybe if you go hard enough on the tweaks hmmm

[pure karma]

No thats on my 4070ti

[verbal raft]

wtf man
what rez and settings ?

[pure karma]

I havent tried it on arc and i dont plan on it

[pure karma]

1440p maxed

40fps with bursts to 50

[sharp matrix]

Lol what thats crazy, how bad are sn2 performance issues

[verbal raft]

please hold

[sharp matrix]

This might be even worse if its 20 fps at 1440p, not good

[verbal raft]

DLAA too ?

[pure karma]

5090 4k native was in the 40’s iv i recall

[pure karma]

Yea

[sharp matrix]

Ok i can believe this is even worse than i thought, tested max settings to, getting between 20 and 30 fps, so very similar results

Not suprised this gpu im testing has 4070ti performance, so i would be getting similar results, sadly it makes sense

[verbal raft]

native without FG / with FG / FG + quality upscaling mode

my 9060 XT is doing better than your 4070 TI

doesnt drop that low even in my base

okay it does if i disable FG
anyway the only reasonable explaination i have is that FG isnt working on your end

or my tweaks are just OP

[sharp matrix]

Who knows i just tried 1440p max settings, got around 30 fps, not a great experience

[verbal raft]

whats your card ?

[sharp matrix]

Mobile 4090, performance of a 4070ti i think, i know its right around a 3090ti

[verbal raft]

9060 XT is just OP
Lisa stronk

[sharp matrix]

Runs most games great, just normally not ue5, because optimization issues, like sn2 has to

[verbal raft]

first half of the map runs even better as well

[sharp matrix]

Satisfactory somehow doesnt but i think the devs used magic with that game

Satisfactory for me still remains one of the only ue5 games i have played that doesnt run like ass

[verbal raft]

yeah i wouldnt call satisfactory optimized

SF runs no better in practice than sn2 for me

while looking a lot worse

anyway thats my unique cope

[sharp matrix]

Sn2 for me runs so much, it looks very similar to sn1, while running much worse to

Well all hope isnt lost its still ea1

[verbal raft]

im still hungup on the grass casting proper shadows

one of my favourite unique copes fullfilled

[verbal raft]

peak shading : )))