off-topic-tech

[languid gulch]

or something wonky & nonstandard like that

which is not something you necessarily want on an isolated ship

[slow flint]

I mean maybe some USB WiFi dongle could work lol

Oh actually you could see if your mobos WiFi has a hidden M key wifi card (pretty sure its M key, been a long time) and then just swap it out for an Intel based one

It wont be ETH but it'll be more reliable than realtek and only like $20 compared to a new mobo or jank work around

[twin dew]

Why Wifi if going with USB?
USB wired ethernet adapters exist too.

Up to 2.5Gbit/s

Most/all are with Realtek chips, but for most part that kind of issue is chip model specific, and might even then be fixed in newer revisions of the chip.

Older Realtek chips had bad reputation because of exactly that kind of unreliable operation under heavy load.
Newer chips are AFAIK free from that problem.

[finite ravine]

there are also a few 10G ethernet adapters for USB... the newest generations of USB-C can be crazy fast with short cables

[twin dew]

Yes, those existed for Thunderbolt, and USB4 is basically just rebranded Thunderbolt 3 for most part, with raw PCIe transfers made optional.

But Thunderbolt and USB4 are so rare that they aren't worth mentioning in general context at this time.

That USB 3 2x2 was depricated, and even less supported than USB4.

[finite ravine]

It was as much "deprecated" as every USB release deprecated the one before it... the funny thing is that USB has reached speeds where it is more than fast enough for everything consumer/office computers need...

[twin dew]

No, it wasn't included in USB4.

Fully depricated, not supported going forward.

[finite ravine]

USB4 still supports the lower datarates... and it supports for all kind of USB 3.2 hardware. Thats the whole selling point of USB

yes, USB4 can do 40 GBit/s... but it can also do 20... or 10 and 5... and 480 MBit/s

[twin dew]

Yes, but USB4 only supports USB3 1x2 2x1 and 1x1.
That 2x2 was dropped.

That 20Gbit/s over USB3 USB-C

Only the 5Gbit and 10Gbit USB3 rates are supported in USB4.

[finite ravine]

you mean only 5/10 GBit/s are mandatory...

is 40 GBit/s even mandatory in USB4?

[twin dew]

That 20Gbit/s is new USB4 version, not the USB3 2x2 one.

Not cross compatible.

USB 3 2x2 20Gbit/s is dead and buried.

[finite ravine]

do you have a good source for this?

(I personnaly wonder why they didn't went to PCIe compatible speeds with USB4... PCIe is always a power of 2 in Gbit/s, would have made sense to define a new generation of USB in a similar way)

[twin dew]

Seems it can be supported as optional part.
With the newer USB4 Gen 2x2 being mandatory, but incompatible with that USB3 Gen 2x2.
Both with same data rate.

[finite ravine]

right.. "optional" is often tech speak for "yeah you can do it, but it wouldn't be what we all want... but we can still pretend to be compatible" ^^

[twin dew]

Might have been completely removed in some of the work versions before finalization that restored it as Optional.

[finite ravine]

yes, maybe... my guess is that some politics was involved

[twin dew]

Loud public backlash from the small circle of people with some USB3 2x2 devices?
And adding it back as optional basically didn't cost the USB Forum anything.

[night girder]

careful out there,

[twin dew]

You mean that version for CPU-Z?
As HWInfo versions are in 8.x currently.

Or HWMonitor?

As that reader context says, should be CPU-Z and HWMonitor from CPUID, not HWInfo.

[night girder]

HwiNfo*

Sorry 🤣

[twin dew]

Seems that right download would have been "hwmonitor_1.63.exe", but it has been redirected to "HWiNFO_Monitor_Setup.exe".
Causing that confusion between if HWMonitor or HWinfo has been compromised.

[night girder]

Well it seems to bne both 😒

[twin dew]

HWInfo isn't affected, completely different company and site.
CPUID has been hacked and downloads replaced with malicious ones.

[night girder]

Read "Readers added context." (I skipped it)

[twin dew]

And CPUID has CPU-Z and HWMonitor as downloads.

Yes, which says that HWInfo is unaffected (www.hwinfo.com)
And CPU-Z and HWMonitor are (www.cpuid.com)

But the replaced HWMonitor installer is mixing the name from HWMonitor to HWiNFO Monitor

[night girder]

You click this "softwares/hwmonitor.html" -> You get this: "hwmonitor/HWiNFO_Monitor_Setup.exe "

[twin dew]

Yeah, but that is the malware source person mixing HWInfo and HWMonitor both into that name.
But the download being replaced is for CPUID HWMonitor, not REALiX HWiNFO.

[night girder]

And CPU-Z

[twin dew]

Yes, basically CPUID site has been hacked and stuff replaced.

And everything there is currently suspect.

[night girder]

Lucky I only uise GPU-Z 🤣

[twin dew]

Which is from different developer and site, not CPUID, even when the name is similar to CPU-Z.

[night girder]

Yeah, I was just checking my own stuff. And it old file I haven't used in ages.

probably should clean it up.

You going to watch artemis 2 land later Baldur?

[twin dew]

Depends on when it is Finnish time, haven't checked.
Because NASA only gives out those US times in AM/PM, so pain to convert.

[night girder]

Nah not really.

Its MET 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

Mission Elapsed Time, not Middle European Time.

[night girder]

Should not be super different from where you are.

[twin dew]

Those are from the launch.

[night girder]

Ooh. Well coincidence. Because it does match I believe 🤣

Whenever I look at time table, it's matches my clock (correlated to what they are doing)

NASA is targeting splashdown at 8:07 p.m. (5:07 p.m. PDT) Friday, April 10, off the coast of San Diego.

[twin dew]

Ok, so 00:07 UTC, so 03:07 Finnish, so not going to watch live.

[night girder]

So in about 15 hours?

[twin dew]

Somebody had bothered to input that UTC into wikipedia article.
Everyone else was just copying that NASA announcement with 12h clock and EDT/PDT times, and Google wasn't willing to convert EDT at all.
Should have gone to some actual timezone conversion site or manually check the UTC offset.

[night girder]

It's crazy.

They going 4118M/H.
They going to land in 15 Hours.
That's 61770 miles.
They are 91440 miles from earth.
So that shows how much velocity is going to increase before they land to make up for that other 30000 miles.

[twin dew]

Freefall for 14.5 hours.

[night girder]

They been freefalling for a while now, else velocity wouldn't increase.

It was about 1000M/H ish I believe when they started to head back to earth.

[twin dew]

Yes, they slowed after leaving earth until the earth-moon "interface", then accelerated towards moon.
Slowed after the closest point to moon until that earth-moon "interface" again, then have been accelerating towards earth.
With the gravity acceleration towards moon and earth canceling each other at that specific line.

[night girder]

Because of earth gravity? (It do be pulling it back when it was leaving, now pulling it towards us?)

[twin dew]

But still affecting after it, so the acceleration towards earth isn't the "standard" 9.8m/s^2, but is rising towards that as they get closer to earth.

[night girder]

Which I said? When they start moving from moon to earth few days ago velocity was about 1000. Now it's 4.151. The closer they get to earth, the quicker the velocity.

[twin dew]

Yes, and moons gravity.
And suns gravity in the mix too...

[twin dew]

Yes, and it was slower at point between those.

The minimum was at that earth-moon gravity balance point of the return trajectory.

As moon gravity was slowing the capsule more until that point than earth gravity was increasing it.

And then those were equal at the specific point, and after that earth gravity has been getting stronger and moon lesser.

[night girder]

Slightly related, yesterday I learned the moon and earth will eventually be in a double tidal lock.

Now the moon is in a tidal lock with the earth.

But the water body on the earth, which is being pulled by the moon, is slowing down the rotation of the earth. And at the same time, the moon is going slinged outwards by earth 🤣

However, Earth is not expected to become tidally locked to the Moon before the Sun becomes a red giant and engulfs both.[10][11]

Aw. The sun will ruin it first.

[twin dew]

*Sun?

[night girder]

sorry, need to go downstairs to grab more coffeee.

have been sleeping horrible for the past 3 days.

[night girder]

So between this message and now. 400M/H increase.

Wonder how the speed increase would look as a curve. Should be exponential.

[twin dew]

Basic orbital mechanics.
Closer it gets to earth, faster the gravity caused acceleration each moment in that m/s^2.
Also responsible for the curve in the approach trajectory, where the actual velocity vector changes over time because of that acceleration directly towards earth from gravity, curving the traveled trajectory.
And if done from sun-centric view instead of earth-centric, the trajectory of the capsule would get even weirder, as earth is moving too.

[night girder]

Yeah, but I want to know how curve looks 😛

[finite ravine]

as long as you keep the sun-centic view rotate with Earths orbit around the sun it will be fine

but of course you can draw orbits from any reference and they will look strange... but it doesn't really make sense in most cases

[twin dew]

https://imgur.com/boJddOG
First dip is the highest point of parking orbit before TLI.
First peak is the final slingshot around earth with TLI performed at the fastest point
Low-point is the moon encounter.
And then return to earth at end.
Cannot tell how well that was actually done, but seems somewhat realistic at least.

But that isn't the crafts velocity in moving direction, only away/towards earth.

No, should be crafts velocity vector in earth centric view?

No, in that case that moon encounter wouldn't be slowest point.

From thread where someone complained about Orion moving slower than SR-71, because they weren't aware on how orbital mechanics and rocketry works.

[finite ravine]

depends on where the moon is atm... if it is at its closest or farest point around earth, its relative velocity measured towards Earth should be nearly zero

not sure the radial velocity of the Moon to Earth is that much either way...

[twin dew]

Yeah, but if that was the actual velocity of the capsule, there would be hump in the middle, not dip.
As the capcule accelerated towards moon until the encounter, after passing that earth-moon "gravity sphere divide".

But as the capsule trajectory was curving at that point, the velocity from purely earth centric point kept dropping.

And at that farthest from earth moment that velocity hits that exact 0.

In that graph.

[finite ravine]

and the first bump is just "near Escape Velocity" from Earth... 11.2 km/s...

[twin dew]

Velocity that is needed for TLI.

[finite ravine]

yeah, and you need something close to the Escape Velocity to reach the Moon

[twin dew]

Which is just tiny bit below earth escape velocity.

Need just 90 m/s more Delta-V for Earth escape vs moon transfer.

[finite ravine]

I use a "map" of the delta-vs in the solar system as my Desktop background 😄

this one here https://www.reddit.com/r/IsaacArthur/comments/1fe9z35/deltav_map_of_the_solar_system/

there are really crazy numbers of delta-v in the solar system... and some are really lower than expected

[night girder]

I can't find a DB 🙁

So everyone is tracking the data, but not storing it anywhere it seems.

artemis-ii-tracker.com - there are so many websites that just show data. But not record.

should have done it myself pff, but didn't know we could track.

[finite ravine]

most likely you can download it from NASA soon...

[twin dew]

Yup, the norm.
Would need for someone to capture the data and plot it.
But most official sources never do that.

Same with the trajectory graphs, only the simplified versions are ever shown, not the actual ones.

[finite ravine]

this maybe ? svs[dot] gsfc [dot] nasa [dot] gov [slash] 5632

[twin dew]

Just remove the https:// from front.

And the bot will not care.

[twin dew]

That site even has what you want on short timeframe, the velocity profile part.

Seems to show last 24h?

[night girder]

Not sure. Can be fake.

artemislivetracker.com/

artemis.cdnspace.ca/

But they are all pretty shit for data collection 😛

Tiny curves.

[twin dew]

At least that first one says they get the data direct from NASA, at the bottom:
Position & velocity: JPL Horizons (live · SPKID -1024 · Orion/Integrity)
That JPL Horizons seems to be NASA API to get orbit information for things that NASA is tracking.

[night girder]

Which makes no sense. Because the speed keeps increasing (in that first chart) which can't be true.

[twin dew]

Makes exact sense.

[night girder]

No?

[twin dew]

As it should.

[night girder]

They start with high speed, slow down, then speed up.

How. Explain to me. This chart starts at 0 velocity and keeps increasing.

[twin dew]

That is just last 24h, after they already passed the moon-earth sphere change.

[night girder]

When they got launched they had 20000 miles per hour in space. Then slowed down down. Now increasing.

Yeah, IF it's 24 hours.

[twin dew]

It shows timescale.

And if you point at the graph, it shows the speed and time for the pointed step.

With 30 minute steps.

[night girder]

I am talking about this atm: artemis.cdnspace.ca.
Think you talking something else.

[twin dew]

The first site you pasted.

That .ca one doesn't specify the timescale, but is not complete mission, but again much shorter, 24h or 12h by eye, but they don't specify.

That .ca allows to get old numbers, but the graph images don't update to match the time.

You can switch to SIM mode at the bottom left, from default LIVE, and then play with the bottom bar and JUMP TO in bottom right.

[night girder]

It makes calls to:

artemis.cdnspace.ca/api/snapshot?metMs=743817297

If I move the sim it updates metMS.

artemis.cdnspace.ca/api/snapshot?metMs=443961293

but that's not directly from NASA ofc. And not sure if it's simulated data or recorded data.

[twin dew]

But even those velocity numbers seem to bottom out at the closest to moon point, at 415m/s.
When Lunar SOI entry is 608m/s and Lunar SOI exit is 583 m/s.

[twin dew]

So I might just be misunderstanding something related to that Lunar sphere of influences effects on craft velocity.

[night girder]

Why?

[twin dew]

If that .ca site velocity numbers are right and actual craft velocity at those points.

As velocity of the craft along its momentary trajectory, the actual velocity vector.

And not again just Earth-referenced.

[twin dew]

Ah, forgot they did opposite direction turn around the moon, from front to back.
And moons movement isn't included in those numbers, and was opposite to the crafts velocity.

Which is why that Lunar SOI entry is higher speed than Lunar SOI exit.
As doing it in that direction allows you to use that slingshot to slow down.
When the other direction lets you to speed up.

Which is why TLI around the earth was done back to front, to get more speed, to need less Delta-V.

And now moon is in tiny bit higher energy orbit.

Insanely tiny bit higher.

[night girder]

Most of you probably already seen this one 🤣

[toxic crystal]

Does anyone know what the minimum (or recommended) PC specs are for running Satisfactory with all settings set to the max/best?

[twin dew]

At start, minimal.
At UObject Limit or above, very high for CPU.

[toxic crystal]

I am not a tech person and I want to make sure that my first ever Gaming PC will run the game I'm buying it for.

😅

[twin dew]

Any AMD AM5 7000/9000 X3D CPU.
32+ GB of RAM.
Somewhat modern GPU with 12+GB of VRAM.

[pure karma]

to play it dosent take much but to finish it a heck of a lot

[toxic crystal]

Ok, this is sounding extremely expensive, so it's a good thing I asked because I didn't think I'd need stuff THIS complicated. I knew it wouldn't be cheap, but not like this bad.

[toxic crystal]

The PC or the game?

In terms of finishing

[pure karma]

well i mean at max settings on a game like this especially if you intend to play the full game and maybe beyond for personal goals you need basically the best of the best

[twin dew]

32GB of RAM is basically the minimum you can buy of DDR5.
16GB is either one stick, or two 10% slower sticks, even when specs are identical.

[jagged snow]

@toxic crystal depending on your avaliable budget, strongly consider going with an older platform or with the newer intel chips if they fall more within your price range. You don't need near these sort of specs to play and enjoy the game
In fact, what Baldur is reccomending is effectively the fastest avaliable as far as cpus go. Don't be discouraged by it

[pure karma]

he resquested MAX GRAPHICS

you need my specs atleast cause i get 50-70FPS on a average save

[jagged snow]

Doesn't really depend on the cpu perf though

3070 or better is more than enough for 1080p ultra

[twin dew]

Yes, those X3D CPUs are more expensive, but give 50-100% boost in Satisfactory compared to the non-X3D versions once CPU limited.
But point was about the best to be able to keep that FPS high.
You can run much slower CPUs, or smaller saves.
But the CPU will cause the FPS to drop once the save grows enough.

[twin dew]

Yeah, and doesn't matter once the save grows enough:

[jagged snow]

And essentially any ryzen 5k or newer cpu will run the game just fine until you're on a very large save

[twin dew]

Which is why I just said that 12+GB of VRAM for the GPU.

[toxic crystal]

Ok y'all, let's calm down, please.

Also, I'm just trying to get an idea of what I'll need. I already play through Shadow, but it's getting more laggy than usual, so I'm just trying to get info for when I eventually switch.

[twin dew]

Somewhat modern GPU with 12+GB of VRAM.

As the GPU doesn't matter that much, the CPU will determine the large save performance.
And slower the CPU is, faster you hit that limit and FPS starts to drop.

[pure karma]

atleast an 8 core CPU atleast 16GB of ram and altleast a GPU from the last 5 years with 8Gb of Vram to play on high/ultra settings

[twin dew]

That 12+GB of VRAM is needed for the max textures with Global Illumination or like.

[pure karma]

not really you can run lummen on a 6GB card at liek 40FPS which you wouldent be getting much more at the price point from the cpu choke

[twin dew]

Not with Ultra textures, in all saves and all travel cases.

[pure karma]

in all saves cases no card can cause my 4070ti is 12GB and cant

[twin dew]

You cannot currently run Ultra textures reliably with 8GB card alone.

[toxic crystal]

big ty. Also, as I said I know nothing about tech, but why does it always seem like ppl are arguing over better CPU vs better GPU, why can't you just get both?

[twin dew]

Money limits usually.
If you have unlimited budget, then you don't have to do trades.

[pure karma]

if you want to spend like 5K then there is no limit just get the best

[toxic crystal]

Ok, ty.

[toxic crystal]

That's kinda the issue lol, idk what the best is. It was like two days ago that I found out RAM was short term memory.

[pure karma]

best for a game like this would realistically be 9800X3D with atleast 32Gb of ram and really any high end GPU since its not too crazy GPU intensive

you know 4080 4090 5080 5090 will all effortlessly run this game and 4070ti and 5070ti will run it plenty fine aswell

[twin dew]

But like said, any CPU from last 5+ years runs the game, question is just to how large save before the FPS drops too low.

Hitting the same issue as you are now having with that cloud gaming service, the save starting to overwhelm whatever CPU time you have been allocated with.

[twin dew]

Ok, need to add that the 2-core low-wattage laptop CPUs from last 5 years will not run the game properly.
Needs at least 4 cores, and preferrably more than 15W TDP.

That 4 cores is hard requirement with 1.0 and up.

[pure karma]

i ran it on a core duo when 1.0 released

granted at 1 frame per maybe

[twin dew]

GPU driver or the game render thread doesn't get enough CPU time for some reason with 2-cores with 1.0 and later.

Other things busy-waiting or something in enough threads to clog 2-core, 4-thread CPUs and Windows Scheduler will not allocate something in the render pipeline enough CPU time, leading to insane raises in that side in weird way.

[night girder]

benchmarks.ul.com/news/3dmark-delisting-of-redmagic-11-pro-phones

• Based on our observations, the devices appear to run the benchmark in a higher-performance mode that resembles REDMAGIC’s “Diablo” mode.
• In our testing, this higher-performance behavior was enabled by default when the phone detected 3DMark running, and we were unable to find a way to disable it when running 3DMark.
• In our own testing, we measured surface temperatures exceeding 50°C in some areas.

Wonder if this is a bug, or done deliberately by Redmagic.

[pure karma]

definitely intentional bias

[night girder]

The article I read also mentioned that normally when users enable Diablo mode, they get a warning.
But when the Redmagic 11 detects the 3DMark it enables this without warning.

[twin dew]

That is classic phone maker intentional benchmark cheating.
Detecting benchmark apps and enabling special scheduler and/or CPU modes.

It was endemic about 10 years ago, until that kind of benchmark software maker policies.

[night girder]

I guess "bad" pr is still pr, and that's why they took the risk.

[twin dew]

Remember that all the reviews with 3DMark numbers in them will probably stay up with no revisions.
And that 3DMark note and the actual 3DMark rankings will have much less visibility.

[night girder]

As a result, we have delisted the affected devices and removed them from our performance rankings.

[twin dew]

Yes, on 3DMark site.
But not on any reviews someone else has made and has 3DMark run numbers in them.

[night girder]

True.

[pure karma]

for a case like this i could see them wanting to dummy proof people/reviewers not putting there device in the best performance mode but the warning should still show up... the warning is the main issue for me

[sharp matrix]

Karma catches up

[pure karma]

@night girder you enjoying the landing i bet 😂

honestly i forgot it was right now and had to rewind a bit to watch it for myself

[sharp matrix]

Yeah. Im not sure i agree with removing the scores, as its basically a performance mode for the device

Still the auto switching and not even telling the user is still suss and very questionable

[snow plaza]

having a standard and performance mode benchmark would be ideal imo

as long as the performance mode can be enabled by users

[sharp matrix]

Agreed, though questionable there isnt anything technically illegitimate about those performance scores

[snow plaza]

debatable

if the end user can't access that performance it's essentially a lie

[pure karma]

going into a unsustainable mode without warning specifically for a benchmark is justified removal for me

even if its aparently activatable by the user

50C+ external temp during the test says everything i need to know about the legitimacy of that mode

[snow plaza]

like i said; if it's something the end-user can access it's valid

if it's a one off OC benchmark it's not valid

[pure karma]

seems dodgy and not valid at all to me if the ai overview is anything to go by

[snow plaza]

oh it's a redmagic device?

[snow plaza]

i was missing context

yeah i have minimal trust in redmagic

iirc when they entered the smartphone market they advertised their phone as a replacement for film-grade cameras

[pure karma]

i mean its a cool mode but thats just cheating if it isent sustainable at that point

and clearly its not something you could really run constantly OOB

[snow plaza]

and when the phone was released the camera wasn't really better than any other flagship smartphone camera

[sharp matrix]

Is that the case here?

[snow plaza]

i can't say for certain, i'm just a bystander and commentator

[pure karma]

it seems acesable but basically unusable without external modifications or else it cooks itself to death by ignoring thermals

[sharp matrix]

Oh its a unsustainable mode, that does change things

Well in that case removing any scores is understandable, if the device cant sustain that, its essentially a lie

[pure karma]

aprently it did but realistically for how long until damage starts to happen

i totally get why this would get shut down

[sharp matrix]

If it ignores its own thermals, that isnt something anyone should use

[jagged snow]

Yeah, my understanding is it's basically just a benchmark mode
Disregards thermal & power limits and lets the chip run basically as fast as it can for the duration of a benchmark
But it's not reflective of the performance you'd get with sustained use and it's not the way the device runs normally

[sharp matrix]

Right, the more i hear about this the more im going to agree with having those scores removed, as its basically not a realistic test, well benchmarks are always biased but this just sounds bad overall

Its essentially fry your device mode🔥

[oblique hamlet]

It like only using the GPAs of the smartest students when calculating the school's average GPA

[snow plaza]

can i have this implimented into neuralink

then implanted into my brain

[oblique hamlet]

anti-theft

[sharp matrix]

Detects being stolen, activates diablo mode permantently

Next time the user decides to game on, goes up in magic smoke

[twin dew]

Well, at least they didn't die because NASA hubris.
Will see in what state the heatshield is if NASA doesn't completely clam up again until GAO report.

Too bad the NASA stream spokesperson is the worst during the whole time.
Very technically knowledgeable but horrible as announcer.

[twin dew]

Very weird cadence and syllable emphasis, and lot of random pauses, when he speaks.

[dire igloo]

Given the time difference, I doubt that (LD and I both live in CEST)

[twin dew]

Happened last night.
I'm watching the stream now.

[twin dew]

And NASA had camera plane in the air streaming live video...
But instead of showing that camera feed, they show stupid 3D animations instead...

Ah, because that plane has shitty datalink, no Starlink installed...

[soft bloom]

not dead I guess?

[twin dew]

.

[soft bloom]

I don't get - why is this picture wobbling?
I mean, it's not like they are holding it on invisible threads in some kind of movie shooting dome...

[twin dew]

The camera is at end of another solar panel, which is flexing.

[soft bloom]

I mean, visible wobbling of the solar array in front relative to the Earth

flexing by just moving fast in space?

[twin dew]

Light-weight construction, minimal stiffness.
Already some air resistance and any movement of the capsule itself etc. will also flex them.

[soft bloom]

okay I see some wobbling of the other array relative to the rest of picture

[twin dew]

They had to be put into specific position each time the crew exercised, as the capsule moved enough that they might get damaged.

[soft bloom]

I want to know what made that aerial shot, that began looking up from under the cpasule but quickly changed to angle from above

[twin dew]

They had WB-57 and Gulfstream camera planes in place.
With that WB-57 probably at around 15km altitude.

[soft bloom]

those main shoots took their sweet time to fully deploy

[twin dew]

Waiting for the drogues to slow the craft down enough.

And then once deployed, again restricted from opening until slow enough.

Then explosive reefing cutters are blown to let them open.

[soft bloom]

oh, that why

but what was slowing it down when drogues where out but main shutes not deployed yet?

[twin dew]

Those drogue chutes and general air resistance.

[soft bloom]

1:38:41
so, heck is that fire?
and second, that's that UFO on the background passing by? 🙂

[soft bloom]

at this moment, drogues are detached. and shutes that draged mainshutes are also detached it seems
So it's slowing down by just air resistance enough to make it safe for full deploy?
it feels counter intuitive to having drogues do that slowdown instead

[twin dew]

Look at the speed going down...
There are limits on how fast the thing can be traveling for each of those parachute stages to deploy, or they just rip off instead.

[soft bloom]

so glad it turned out to be a hole in the clouds background

[soft bloom]

yeah that's what I mean
after drogues are out
and before mainshutes are fully deployed, but instead in that shrunk state,
it would appear that there's less resistance than with drogues, and thus less deceleration (if any)

[twin dew]

So first they deaccelerate just from the capsule air resistance.
Then deploy drogue chutes to add more resistance.
Then use those drogues to pull out reefed main chutes, and then discard the droques.
Then let those main chutes to fully deploy.

As the resistance from all that is highly dependant on the speed too.

Higher the speed, higher the force from air resistance of same thing.

And lower they are, higher the air resistance as air get thicker.

Also remember, if they open the mains too high, it will just take longer to get to the ground, with more spread from winds.
Just need to finish deaccelerating before hitting the water, not long way in air.

[soft bloom]

on the opposite,
I would expect drogues need to be open for longer, until main ones are full

[twin dew]

Would cause issues from the dynamics.

They just pull the mains out and disconnect when the mains catch air.
Wait for more and they will disturb the mains instead.

[soft bloom]

this looks like sci-fi with weird gadgets for detecting aliens or something 🙂

[night girder]

I did haha, was a late night.

[twin dew]

Also, again NASA exceptionalism.
IIRC for Commercial Crew, the limit to get astronauts out of the capsule is 1 hour.
For Orion it is 2 hours.

[night girder]

they got them out in an hour and 20 minutes or something.

and were with them all the way, since the moment they entered our atmosphere, multiple helicopters, high altitude balloons and airplanes had eyes on it.

[twin dew]

Yeah, just comparing the limits NASA sets for outsides, and then for themselves, for same thing.

[night girder]

Weird thing was that at one point, rescue team couldn't contact them. Communication problems.
But I was thinking. What does it matter? You have eyes on the target. Boats near the target. You know where they are 🤣

[soft bloom]

didn't they say it's first time they make splash into ocean since... too many years?

[night girder]

Ground had communication with crew btw. Just not the rescue team it sounded like.

[night girder]

50 years.

[twin dew]

Yeah, the separate short range communication system wasn't working out.

Basic military voice radio.

[night girder]

Somtimes crazy if you think about it?

[twin dew]

And military rescue beacon.

[night girder]

We had contact all the way to the moon.

And then they come back, and we fuck it up 🤣

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/along789-gif-15987789452494218671

Also why does it look like the logo of the punisher?

Or like a skull on the side haha

[soft bloom]

80 minutes, huh?

[soft bloom]

so I guess they didn't practice it much, and other companies don't do that type of landing?

[twin dew]

That was point of my earlier complaint, that NASA sets external companies half the time limit compared to themselves, for the same thing.

[night girder]

Space X does crewd splashdowns in oceans.

but for NASA it has been 50 years.

[soft bloom]

oh, why do other land on water though?

[twin dew]

And also gets the capsule out of water, before extracting crew.
Which took little over hour first time, because of tiny bit of toxic leftovers that had gotten into one capsule cavity.

[twin dew]

Lower forces, larger area to splash into.

Russians spash onto ground, but they have last second rocket assisted slowdown, but that slowdown is very abrubt and forceful.
And also airbags below the capsule.
Boeing Starliner lands on land too, again with airbags.

SpaceX wanted to have Crew Dragon land propulsively, but NASA didn't allow testing that with Cargo Dragon flights, so it was scrapped.
Then Crew Dragon already had to have passive ocean landing capability for aborts.

Original plan was to use the abort thrusters and fuel for propulsive landing on land.

[night girder]

It's not always oceans/water. Some lands in lakes.

The crew returned to Earth, but landed on partially frozen Lake Tengiz, the first crewed splashdown in the Soviet space program. While there was no concern about any immediate threat to the crew, the capsule sank under the surface of the frozen lake, and recovery took nine hours owing to fog and other adverse conditions. The landing is the only example of an unintentional splashdown of a crewed spacecraft.

[twin dew]

Just chance.
Land landing with bad precision and ended in a lake.

[night girder]

Well, they survived for another 9 hours under a lake.

[twin dew]

Yeah, if the pressure vessel can take it, why wouldn't they survive underwater, compared to in space.

[night girder]

Oxygen? 100 other issues that can happen? Like this wasn't planned. And the mission was a failure.

[finite ravine]

space is outward pressure, lake is inward pressure... luckily not that much unless the lake is deep

[night girder]

Since they already had to abort because of docking issues.

Then they come back to earth and get stuck underneath a fucking frozen lake for 9 hours. And temperature.

[twin dew]

That was the point of that "if pressure vessel can take it"

[night girder]

You can't shoot a submarine into space and just hope it survives.
And vice versa.

[finite ravine]

imagine the lake would be 10m deep and you already have twice the pressure than in deep space... and in the wrong direction

[night girder]

And then just the cold, and water = freezing.

[finite ravine]

liquid water below ice = 4° C or more

[night girder]

If the Soyuz 23 powered down ... they would be in trouble.

[finite ravine]

so its bad, but not "instant ice block"

[night girder]

the capsule was opened, and the crew was found unconsious due to CO2 accumulation in the submerged and powered down vessel

Baldur, you asked whawt can go wrong? Well they were knocked out. And no power. Doesn't sound ideal.

[twin dew]

Ran out of battery power, not expected to be needed that long.

[night girder]

You asked the question.

[twin dew]

And without service module, lot of the other capabilities are lost too.
But still have some oxygen etc.
Just not for that long in that case.

[finite ravine]

Space and Under-Water are two totally different environments that need different kinds of engineering... so you might be lucky to survive... you don't survive "by design"

[night girder]

No attempt was made to open the hatch as the recovery crews assumed the cosmonauts were dead, so they called for a special team to remove their bodies

This is so brutal 🤣 They just dragged the Soyuz 23, to shore. Couldn't lift it up. Though they were dead so left them in there.

[finite ravine]

more like (nearly) tragic...

[night girder]

And then they were like "Oh, they still alive huh?"

[night girder]

Big learning lessons yes.

[soft bloom]

the thing with helicopter feels like PR
using boats seems like a much simpler and more robust aproach
even while there's "oh but helicopter can quickly take them in acse of medical emergency" - took em 0 minutes, not that fast.
boats where there from first moments

[twin dew]

They were prepositioned much closer to the splash location than the slower large ship.

[finite ravine]

always good to have multiple options...

[soft bloom]

is that 30 minutes of boat travel?

[soft bloom]

was expecting that answer to appear.
because we don't want capsule falling on the large ship
while smaller ones can at least swim away
understandable

[twin dew]

And do note that travel at sea at that kind of small speedboat is way rougher than in helicopter.
And much more limited in speed if the seas are rougher.

[finite ravine]

the boats (I think) have the advantage that they can help to stabilize and float the capsule in the water... the helicopter cannot do this, the capsule is too heavy

[twin dew]

They transported the recovery team, including divers, and their equipment to the site.

SpaceX does the recovery with speedboats and the main ship.
Speedboats as first responders.
And then the main ship comes in and lifts the capsule out of water, and only then the capsule is opened and astronauts extracted.
Then local checks and helicopter ride to shore.

[soft bloom]

they had larger ones, with solid hull I think?

[twin dew]

Still small for ocean.

[finite ravine]

during the Apollo program the NASA had to rescue at least one Astronaut in the Water with a Helicopter... so its always good to have all options

[soft bloom]

that really sound like a better way.
especially given that water can be rough

[twin dew]

But that is purpose built vessel.
This is using generic US military amphibious landing support ship.

So those helicopters etc. are basic equipment of the ship.

[night girder]

I think the helicopters make sense.

[twin dew]

And that is how it was done during Apollo etc. too.
So familiar to NASA, unlike that SpaceX method.

[night girder]

Every helicopter has a doctor, who is prepared for that astronaut. Incase something is wrong, the chances of you getting good treatment on a helicopter, is higher than on a shabby boat.

[twin dew]

And like said, uses existing US military stuff.

[night girder]

Also helicopter is quicker to bring them back in case of emergency.

[twin dew]

Anything purpose built would only again be used once every few years at this point.

[night girder]

The boats are good for scout and support. But not to rescue the astronauts themselves.

[twin dew]

While SpaceX uses that ship constantly with the Dragon (cargo and crew) flights.

[night girder]

Helicopter just have way more options.

[twin dew]

And is using the existing US military capabilities and training.

[soft bloom]

but you can only have 1 heli hovering
and you need special harness to get on heli, in addition to hwatever keeps you afloat in case you get into water.

[twin dew]

So you would want that special build ship to be used once every two years at this point?

[night girder]

Two astronauts per helicopter.

Again, I think it's a space thing, space as in room onboard the helicopter for medical equipment.

[twin dew]

Yeah, they had 4 helicopters available, used two for retrievals.

[night girder]

other two were scouting/backup

[twin dew]

Could have done with one, but using two gave more space.

[night girder]

and to fend off any pirates

I don't think we know what's onboard thoise helicopters.

[twin dew]

For more support personnel on each retrieval copter.

[night girder]

These are not just normal helicopters. They have equipment, medical, for this mission.

They are not bringing back soldiers front he front you know ... these astronauts are special 😄 (slight sarcasm, but yes, they astronauts seem to be a very high priority).

[soft bloom]

small ship comes to capsule
attaches ramp that is about same level as the ship (not stee; mb to water elvel, maybe it's larger and goes up)
great, now you can walk in and even attach cable to humans to get them aboard
aboard of a ship that just floats and has medical personel for first response
now it's a question of how much faster you can make it swim to larger ship instead of doing dances with helicopter, including all the preparations needed get peopel out of capsule

[twin dew]

Again, needs that special built ship basically.
And larger the ship, harder it is to maneuver near the capsule without collision danger.

[night girder]

Appolo astronauts also confirmed, that after space travel, the sea was really rough for them.

Don't forget, they have to adjust back to 1G.

[soft bloom]

althoug I am sure they had this version of a plan in works.
maybe they just did mostly the same as 50 years ago because it was tested
maybe helicopters looked cooler on camera

[night girder]

If you then go on a boat that rocks back and forth, 🤢

[twin dew]

The money to pay for that ship, the copters, the people, etc. was already paid as part of the US military budget.

[night girder]

They got medication for nausea before splashdown but still.

[twin dew]

The original Apollo etc. program returns used full carriers.

[soft bloom]

helis landed on a ship, so it's water either way.
but hey, once you get on large ship with helis, you can go on heli to the land

[twin dew]

And that time they use for that return is basically just training.

[night girder]

Big ship != small boat.

[soft bloom]

well, I am saying there seems to be a lot of preparation to get them on on heli, that time could be used instead on a simpler setup to use bigger boat that is stabler than whatever temporal thing they were sitting on waiting for heli

[twin dew]

And you ignore the travel time of that ship to get to close to the capsule.

Takes around 30 minutes for SpaceX.

[soft bloom]

would you shake for 30 minutes on larger boat instead of 55 on that thing? (assuming 20 minutes required time in capsule and 5 minute travel time in heli)

[night girder]

If I understood it correctly, it was kind up to the astronauts to get out at their own phase. They (rescue forces) opened up the hatch pretty soon, then build the platform, and then it was up to them to get out.
So I don't think the helicopters were the issue. Astronauts were just getting their feet underneath them and preparing for the cameras.

[twin dew]

And basically all the other stuff done by the boat people would have to be done for ship retrieval too.

[soft bloom]

it seems like there's a possibility to replace that floating platform with a boat

[night girder]

in the future, I think the spaceships will land controlled. So all this is not needed anymore.

Now it's more like a controlled/calculated crash back

[wanton orchid]

air catch

[twin dew]

Rocket Lab was trying to do that with their rockets first stage, did one capture but had to drop it during transfer back.

And scrapped the idea.

Of course empty rocket stage is much more "fluffy", and all the weight is at the bottom, so kind of worst case for load swinging around and causing issues for the helicopter stability.

[sharp matrix]

<@&387163995947270144> hello

[night girder]

hello?

[sharp matrix]

Backstory, more hacked accounts btw

[sharp matrix]

we probably wouldnt like the answer

[night girder]

Wow, 11 hours livestream of NASA answering questions 🤣

and they still going!

[twin dew]

Where?
Not on NASAs YouTube channel.

[night girder]

It's a loop obvious.

But look bottom left you can see;

1. duration.
2. that it's live.

Top left corner you see the where 😄

probably ad farming.

[twin dew]

Or just continous CNBC main stream, YouTube has that 12h rolling limit, with older stuff going by-by if the stream lasts longer.

[night girder]

What do you mean continues?

I highly doubt these people are sitting here for 11 hours answering questions. Both journalist as NASA employees would be wrecked if that's the case 🤣

[twin dew]

Just continous stream showing what the TV channel shows on air, and right at that moment they were showing the NASA QA session after Artemis 2 splashdown.

That that whole 12+h of stream is not NASA/Artemis, just part of it.

[night girder]

no matter where I hold the cursor for thumbnail.

I see them sitting and answer questions.

[twin dew]

Ok, then, but you didn't link, and I wasn't going to try to find where-ever CNBC streams are.

[night girder]

obvious youtube?

[twin dew]

Not on the official CNBC TV channel either.

Now that I checked.

[twin dew]

That it is on "YouTube" doesn't tell much.

[night girder]

And then it's the 3rd 😄

[night girder]

It tells you everything you need to know? Imo. 😅

[twin dew]

Ok, it is on the CNBC-TV18 channel streams.

But no, that doesn't tell much to find streams in many cases.

But in turn that specific TV station YouTube currently has 7 looping crap LIVEs.

[twin dew]

Also, that it is third for you when you search, doesn't mean it would be same for me if I did a search.

[night girder]

I know you are smart enough.

To know how to search properly on YT.

if you wanted too.

[twin dew]

And you had that open, and could have copy-pasted it in seconds.

[night girder]

No.

Two seperate devices 🤣

[night girder]

I was just commenting on this tbh.

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shcj7MUK5BU

With still of the Apollo era heatshield manufacturing:

Orion is just that stuff that is being chaulked, cast in molds, without that reinforcing honeycomb.
Because that old manufacturing method is so labor intensive.
Even when IMHO that would be perfect for industrial robot...

Includes lot of stuff about the development time, testing, etc.

[night girder]

Let me check the video. We know the answer. The shield hold out 🤣
(Yeah I know, they adjusted trajectory to be less aggressive on entry)

[twin dew]

More aggressive.

[night girder]

What? For artemis 2 they went for less aggresive.

They adjusted to entry, to reduce impact on heatshield.

[twin dew]

Artemis I did much larger skip.
Artemis II did lesser skip, straight in.

Those trajectories are included in there, and why Artemis II did what it did compared to Artemis I

[night girder]

Already googled it.

Artemis I did more dip and skip and than dip, like when you throw a pebble on the water surface and it skits over it.
Artemis II didn't do this and went straight in.

And funily enough, they did that with Artemis I so it would be less violent for those onboard.

[twin dew]

Yup, which spreads the heat over longer period of time, and gives more cross-range.
Artemis II went with more aggressive entry, to have constant heating.

Because the theory at NASA was that the spalling happened during that skip, when the latent heat in the heatshield, with no additional heat, outgassed stuff.

[night girder]

Let's see if they meet their next deadline. 2027.

[bronze jasper]

thats why they were checking for harmful gasses before opening A2?

I dont think we're gonna land on the moon. Trump is already defunding nasa more

[twin dew]

No, the hypergolics used in the thrusters can kill at parts per billion in air.

[bronze jasper]

i want no part in a billion of such gasses!

[night girder]

So the gasses are surrounding Orion? Not inside Orion?

Because if it's inside, wouldn't it be bad for the astronauts?

[twin dew]

Checking for possible leaks from the thruster system to outside air after landing.

[bronze jasper]

This fly by was fun but i don't think we'll see this one through

[night girder]

Was wondering about that yesterday.

@twin dew Also what happened to the European Service Module? Did it disolve into our atmosphere or space trash?

[twin dew]

Entered atmosphere, partly burned and partly crashed into pacific.

[night girder]

Damn. I though it was space junk.

It seemed pretty far away from earth when they seperated.

Was one of the best 1-3 seconds yesterday.

Although the video quality was pretty shit right when it separated. And cut out 🙁

[twin dew]

The trajectory was to enter near middle of pacific.
Then after separation Orion used its own thrusters to alter its trajectory to get closer to US.

[bronze jasper]

but still on an insertion trajectory like the capsule module was

conservation of momentum an all that

[night girder]

Yeah, you could see that on the videos. The thrusters correcting.

[twin dew]

Monomethylhydrazine (MMH / CH6N2) + nitrogen tetroxide (NTO / N2O4)
The kind of safety gear you wear when handling hydrazine:

In US the health limits are 0.2 ppm max and 0.04 ppm recommended.
As in that 0.2 parts per million in air means that 0.00002 % of air content is MMH molecules.

Stuff that if you smell it, you are dead soon.

[night girder]

This was the moment, they ran out of money 🤣

[twin dew]

Very light and work well enough.

[night girder]

The Artemis II crew – Mission Specialist Christina Koch (top left), Mission Specialist Jeremy Hansen (bottom left), Commander Reid Wiseman (bottom right), and Pilot Victor Glover (top right) – uses eclipse viewers, identical to what NASA** produced for the 2023 annular eclipse and 2024 total solar eclipse**, to protect their eyes at key moments during the solar eclipse they experienced during their lunar flyby. This was the first use of eclipse glasses at the Moon to safely view a solar eclipse.

[night girder]

Nah, I think they still had em around. A stock somewhere and ran out of money 🤣

23 million dollar toilet? ✅
1 dollar solar eclipse viewers ✅

It looks like the same viewers you get when you go watch a 3D movie in the cinema, made out of paper.

Look you can see the date.

October 14 2023 ...

[night girder]

Another NASA live event? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYY4nnfxKbU

[twin dew]

Part of NASAs normal format.
Live for that return to Houston for any returning from space astronauts with live press QA in hangar.
If the astronauts are in good enough condition physically to be able to do it.

[twin dew]

Seems in this case that stream was just lot of posturing, and the QA didn't happen or wasn't part of that stream.

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAubZvH9OZM

[night girder]

Yeah, no QA 🙁

Was of a emotional story 😛

[night girder]

Microsoft has started removing the Copilot branding from Notepad in Windows 11, with a new preview build now available to all Windows Insiders. The update replaces the Copilot icon with a pen icon and renames the AI menu to "writing tools." The core functionality remains the same.

Smart microsoft

[languid gulch]

so renaming it while doing nothing to functionally change it

while also putting a bunch of "this is for entertainment only" liability-absolving warnings all over it

[twin dew]

When people learn to hate your branding, rebrand!

[night girder]

Yup, they said they would rethink the AI strategy.

It seems they went with the "let's just name it to something else, there is too much negativity around it, the users are at fault, but if we rename it, they wont know it."

While they should think; "maybe we did waste a shitton of money on gimick features and the users are right" 🤣

[languid gulch]

this is called "panicking", right before the bubble pop

[night girder]

doubt bubble will pop.

they keeping it alive artificially.

[languid gulch]

it'll pop for the bullshit, some stuff will stick around, just like the dotcom bubble

[oblique hamlet]

and then free gpus for everyone

[bronze jasper]

It's probably part of a bigger strategy. Microsoft catches a lot of hate and they don't rebrand windows or change their company name. Outlook has always been outlook even though people hate it.

Everyone loved the skype name but they changed that to teams.

[soft bloom]

I got the "windows login screen with wrong kb layout and no way to change that" for the third time.
yes, right bottom corner doesn't have anything allowing layout change, only virtual kb through accessibility options without the usual kb layout change shortcut working
Starting to wonder if it's a fake login screen.

[bronze jasper]

a fake login? you been pirating games again? how'd you manage to catch a fake login screen

I feel like if someone installed a fake login screen on your pc they wouldn't need passwords

[soft bloom]

again? lol
I was not.
but who the fuck knows these days of microslop...

[bronze jasper]

cve.org to know what vulnerabilities exist

[soft bloom]

there's always a value to knowing one's password to try and use it at other logins

[bronze jasper]

zero days aren't listed, but i'm guessing that no attacker is going to burn a zero day on getting your machine

[soft bloom]

oh this is not going to be an easy search...

[bronze jasper]

what i mean is if they can install a fake log in screen, they own your machine already

[soft bloom]

yes I get that

I wonder if I change order of kb layout if it is going to change the one kb layout I get in these instances

[soft bloom]

the thing is that it's a 'russian' kb layout
and given local context... that's sus
even thought it is the last of 4 (cause ofcourse windows will force me into having 2 english layouts) layouts I have

[soft bloom]

I checked Nasa gallery and now it seems like they added some of the same photos but now with artifacts from looking through the window?..
I don't get that

[night girder]

Example?

You mean reflections in the window? Or graphical artifacts? Lens artifacts?

If you mean reflections. That's the reason they turned off the light inside.

The moon photos are my favorite though of this album www.nasa.gov/gallery/lunar-flyby/

But then you also have artistic pictures.

Took me a while to realise those "rings" you see are the ledge of the window 😛

I just hope we get better quality photos.

[bronze jasper]

peekaboo

[night girder]

I understand that when transmiting it down to earth, you want small size of data.

[sharp matrix]

Forgot to turn off the lights

[night girder]

but now we have the DSLR on earth again.

162kb photo is a joke.

The screenshot I posted is more in size (and quality) than the moon photos.

[sharp matrix]

162kb with a dslr

[night girder]

Yeah!

[sharp matrix]

[night girder]

So I think, they lowered quality of picture on Orion and then trasmitted it to earth.

Because of low bandwith. That's why I assume.

But it hurts my soul. I want some of them as my background.

[jagged snow]

Yes, even when they were able to use the ir laser downlink they were still quite limited

[night girder]

And ok, black and white. Less data too.

[bronze jasper]

wonder what the bandwidth on that laser was

[night girder]

200KB for a color.

Ah, they mentioned total bandwith few times. But I forgot.

[twin dew]

At some distance it was 100Mbit/s.

IIRC

[night girder]

free or total?

[twin dew]

Total

[night girder]

because a lot is reserved for transmitting data, communication and the important things.

Even the downloading of the images, I believe, happened when they slept. Since there was no communication.

[twin dew]

Which is why they had to stop downloads every time inside camera was active with usable resolution.

[night girder]

Ok, there goes my theory.

They just upload in fucking shit quality. Regardless in space or earth.

Probably to save space on their servers 🤣 "Don't freaking upload 10MB pictures on our website".

[bronze jasper]

They might be saving the highest quality of that photo for licensing

that's an awesome photo

[night girder]

Good point.

I agree! I love the picture too.

[night girder]

But wasn't all this with Tax Payers money? 🤔

Not my words. NASA words.

"We have an obligation to release all findings, images etc to the public within 6 months."

[bronze jasper]

Yeah images are released , just in lower quality 😄

[sharp matrix]

[night girder]

Yeah, but would suck if they sell higher versions.

In theory, the Americans already paid for high quality pictures.

[sharp matrix]

Well

[night girder]

Oh maybe that's why. It detects I am from outside the US 🤣

[sharp matrix]

Lol

[night girder]

"European = 200kb pictures" 🤣

[sharp matrix]

Whats the link let me try

[night girder]

www.nasa.gov/gallery (here you find all galleries, and also a few of artemis 2, I think first 4 are of the mission?)

[twin dew]

The place to get the full resolution images: https://images.nasa.gov/

That copter picture for example:
https://images.nasa.gov/details/JB5_0814

[night girder]

I don't get it anymore.

This was in the same gallery, as the one I psoted about the helicopter. 11MB!

And also, this picture doesn't give me space mission vibes 🤣

More like "Cuba, here we come" vibes.

Gotta love some forest camouflage marines on a boat in the sea.

[twin dew]

So on that images site that helicopter image is available as 5568x3712 pixel original.

[sharp matrix]

Hmmm im geting varies sizes and res herr

[twin dew]

And then three downscaled versions.

[night girder]

@twin dew As you can see, I am downloading the pictures to my PC.

[sharp matrix]

Like one for the moon 5mb

[night girder]

With the button

[twin dew]

Because you are using wrong NASA picture site.

[night girder]

How so?

www.nasa.gov/image-detail/artemis-ii-recovery-13/

nasa.gov sounds leggit

[sharp matrix]

Yeah im not getting any low res images hmmm

[twin dew]

Stuff on https://www.nasa.gov/artemis-ii-multimedia/ is mostly downscaled.
The full stuff is on that https://images.nasa.gov/

[night girder]

Cheers Baldur! So it seems the albums, who ever put the images in the album just picked a quality and threw it in there.

[twin dew]

First is curated, with downscales.
Second is the raw stuff as is, just dumped in.

[bronze jasper]

Camo is usually defined by where they're deployed. These guys would've been coming from home coast where the green camo makes sense.

one doesn't need camo in the ocean really. Everyone is hard to spot no matter what they're wearing, when they're bobbing in the ocean

[night girder]

Nice, that's what I wanted 😄

[bronze jasper]

they're just wearing the pants cause they need pants

[night girder]

I know, it's just a little bit of joke. Same with space camouflage a few years ago.

[bronze jasper]

my favorite joke from the mission is that outlook failed even the world's best peopel. astronauts.

[night girder]

Two accounts. Both didn't work 🤣

I was watching Apollo 13 documentary yesterday.

Now that crew and ground, before all went to shit, was funny as hell 🤣

One of the astronauts suddenly realised, he forgot his taxes. It was so fucking funny 🤣
"No ground I am serious, can you please look into it? Do I get an extension?"
"We looked it up. You get 6 months extension if you are out of the country." 🤣

Also ground shared the news daily with the crew, but it was all a joke . Like "The beatles broke up and want to create their own space program" 🤣

Before Baldur gets mad at me.

[bronze jasper]

It's good to have some levity up there

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCObwsXbSeU (a link to what I am speaking off, warning 2 hours. But good stuff.)

[bronze jasper]

i also liked the moment right before insertion, they came over the radio to talk about how great their vessel is and how beautiful she is. Old sailor tradition to praise your ship before entering dangerous waters.

[night girder]

I had tears in my eyes from laughing.

What I also found interesting. Was the communication between different people on the ground.

While the engineers and scientist came up with all sorts of idea, there was one dude saying "hold up, hold up, let's not just do things and make it worse."

Just the back and forth between humans keeping eachother in check, working together towards a solution. And just keeping "calm".

Losing 2 out of 3 fuel cells. On different busses (DC main bus A and B).

This is what they eventually did. Use Main Bus A and the inverter, to power AC Bus 2. So they could use the sensors on the fuel cells for further investigation.

Because DC main bus B was gone. Also disconnected both fuel cells eventually as you can see too.

Sorry, for little rant. Just found it very interesting video.

Because I didn't know anymore if the crew survived or not. So while watching the video I was like, "yeah, they dead for sure".

And this is when the crew returned. They put them in prison clothes 🤣

[night girder]

Ah, these pictures?

[soft bloom]

yes
they posted the 'clear' ones before these
so I really wonder what's the difference

[bronze jasper]

check the metadata

[night girder]

I am not finding the exact picture, like the one i posted, without the lens flares etc.

[sharp matrix]

do you think the flat earthers are watching this and losing their minds?

[night girder]

Are you sure it was the identical picture and noit just another shot of the moon? 🤣

[night girder]

Speaking of which ...

Are flat earthers, actually flat planneters?

Do they believe all planets are flat?

Flat earth worst day in history.

[sharp matrix]

what about the rocket, where do they think that goes?

hits the magic barrier in the sky and explodes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfThiqDd9FA

what about this, do the flat earthers have a explanation

[night girder]

Also.

If all planets are flat. Do they believe they are all pointed towards us? Else how can we observe other planets.

[jagged snow]

Hey y'all, looking for some advice
My pc has quit sleeping
The second I try to put it to sleep it immediately turns back on and boots me to the login screen
Quite annoying, any suggestions?

[night girder]

if a flat planet doesn't phase us, we can't see it right?

[sharp matrix]

show that moon crash to flat earthers, lets see them try to explain this one

[night girder]

Baldur is asleep. 🤣

[jagged snow]

Lol

Its a new one for me too in all my time using windows

[night girder]

Want me to take a few guesses? Maybe to put you on the track. Or not.

[jagged snow]

Can't hurt 🤷‍♂️

Its gonna burn in my oled though

[night girder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake-on-LAN

[jagged snow]

So I have to turn off my monitor every time I step away from my desk

[night girder]

First thing I though was, maybe something not 100% correct with Wake on Lan?

[sharp matrix]

lol well it would make sense, after all earth is the center of the universe right

[night girder]

I know Microsoft fiddled it with it recently. Enabling it or disabling because of issues.

[sharp matrix]

its well known all flat bodies in the heavens always point towards earth, its gods well after all

[night girder]

To check, pull out ethernet and put system to sleep, if it still wakes up, then it's not Wake on LAN.

And you do mean sleep right? Not lock or screensaver?

[night girder]

So all these circle flat planets.

Are all facing us?

[sharp matrix]

well you knew what you were getting with oled so

[night girder]

And if we rotate around them. Like we did around the moon.

The planet notices us, and then rotates towards us to keep facing us?

[sharp matrix]

but how does it keep facing the earth to

[night girder]

Well it creates another dimension.

Then copies itself to that dimension.

One dimension faces us. The other dimension faces the crew.

[sharp matrix]

[night girder]

And for each observer, it creates another dimens, and put a flat moon it it 🤣

Just like how quantum stuff works. If you observerve it ...

[sharp matrix]

fine you win

[night girder]

I mean, its so obvious and logical. Makes way more sense than believing in round planets 🤣

[sharp matrix]

sure

[jagged snow]

I'm a photographer, wanted the color accuracy without paying for a studio monitor

[jagged snow]

Good call

[sharp matrix]

fair

if you need color accuracy for photographic work, oled is ideal

[night girder]

@jagged snow

Is it 11 23H2?

The January security update for Windows is causing problems for some users. Remote desktop login does not work and sometimes switching off and hibernation are not possible. This affects Windows 11, Windows 10, and Windows Server 2025, 2022, and 2019. Emergency patches are available

Not 100% sure with "hibernation is not possible". Like does it go into and out of hibernation. If you click hibernation doesn't it activate.
The article doesn't specify.

Oh!

I also read something about windows updating while your machine sleeps. So also can be that. That it pulls in those tiny security updates every x minutes and yonks the system out of its sleep? Not 100% sure.

Windows update

[sharp matrix]

i just keep uninstalling it every time that happens

[night girder]

And else you have to do what French goverment did. Dinum, digital goverment body of France plans to switch from Windows to Linux.

www.numerique.gouv.fr/sinformer/espace-presse/souverainete-numerique-reduction-dependances-extra-europeennes/ (news from 4 days ago)

[sharp matrix]

hopefully it stays gone this time

[night girder]

No worries all.

[sharp matrix]

good

[night girder]

They are renaming copilot.

Soon, copilot is gone.

[sharp matrix]

[night girder]

They will call it. "Taskbar that does funky things too" and everyone is happy

[sharp matrix]

dont worry its just for fun

[night girder]

For the writing app of Microsoft they will rename the AI tools to "Writting help"...

pretty scummy if you ask me.

I just realize. This is the stuff those sovereign citizens do when they drive a car without a license.

Cop; "You can't drive a car without a License in our state."
Sovereign citizen; "It's not a car but a method of transportation (vehicle)."

Microsoft does the same. "It's not AI, it's a tool to help you write" 🤣

[sharp matrix]

lol

www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/ai-unpopular-in-america-new-nbc-poll/

guess america isnt quite onboard that ai hype train

[night girder]

The poll finds that AI is viewed less positively than ICE and President Donald Trump, and only more positively than Iran and the Democratic Party.

Maybe if we rebrand Iran and the democratic party. People will look at it more possessively?

Just a different name for both should do it.

[sharp matrix]

[night girder]

Imagine if all the money we poured into AI. Would be spend into medical advancements.

But there is no money to be made in treating illnesses.

Unless it's something they can keep selling. (Anti depressant for example)

[sharp matrix]

mlq.ai/media/quarterly_decks/v0.1_State_of_AI_in_Business_2025_Report.pdf

95% of companies are getting zero return

so no money to be found in ai either

[night girder]

Fair, but I mean for an investors standpoint.

"Hey we are looking for millions to find a cure for a rare type of cancer that affects about 5000 people on the planet".
Or
"Hey we got this new technology and it's going to be smarter than humans and solve all our problems. Give money".

[sharp matrix]

investors would get more return investing in stock

[night girder]

I would invest in drones the way things are going 🤣

[sharp matrix]

[night girder]

Most wars have turned into a drone war atm.

I believe that even some conflicts in africa also use drones.

So the usage of them seems to be spreading fast.

[sharp matrix]

time to go on the drone hype train now

[night girder]

You know what. The next time the whole world decides to spend all our money into AI.
Making the hardware market explode. And every other market.
I believe, we, humans of the earth. Should have a say in it 🤣

I just find it frustrating that 99% of us have no say in any of this. It just got shoved down our throats.
Not saying that 99% is against AI ofc. But I do believe a lot of us think that things could have gone slower.

[sharp matrix]

shoved down our throats, i mean sure i have to hear this non-sense in news, etc but i have disabled everything ai related on my machine

I mean sure I get the feeling like microsoft is trying to do it...especially with trying to push copilot into things like notepod, which is just next level idiocracy

but i have done what i can, including uninstalling this crap, i just pay these companies dont try to do more to shove this ai crap down our throats as you say

otherwise i might have to get more creative with telling these companies to go screw off

[night girder]

you mean installing Linux? 🤣

[sharp matrix]

could be

[jagged snow]

@night girder verified that it isn't wake on lan, and it also isn't my mouse doing it which was my other guess

[night girder]

windows fully updated?

[jagged snow]

Yep

Okay, this is interesting

It's some usb device

[night girder]

can you get a date?

[jagged snow]

A date?

[night girder]

yeah when that happened?

[jagged snow]

Oh that was just now

I fully restarted and tried to sleep once

And that's the only wake event since the restart

[night girder]

how do you know that event was just now?

could be from a time when you move the mouse

[jagged snow]

Because wake history is only tracked since the last restart

[night girder]

Ah 👍

[jagged snow]

And it's only been woken once since I restarted

And the mouse had wake from sleep disabled(also previously tried with it unplugged)

[night girder]

check istance path?

[jagged snow]

Verified, it's my keyboard

[night girder]

pull out keyboard and sleep

[jagged snow]

Yep, already done

It works just fine

[night girder]

so broken keyboard?

[jagged snow]

Doubt it?

I'm going to assume it's just this keyboard having crappy firmware

I've had all sorts of weird issues with it

[night girder]

ah, so it's always been doing this?

[jagged snow]

No

This is a new issue, but I've had a bunch of odd issues with this keyboard

[night girder]

The hell 🤣 Is it Corsair keyboard?

[jagged snow]

nzxt

[night girder]

Oh shit.

[jagged snow]

I had a reason for buying it 😄

[night girder]

What model?

[jagged snow]

Function 2

[night girder]

maybe you can update firmware? Or reset it somehow.

[jagged snow]

Since I bought it it has:

• Completely gone dead until dis/reconnected
• Registered every key as pressed simultaneously
• Regularly fails to turn the backlight on/off for 20-30 minutes(using the physical, dedicated button on the keyboard)
• Had one or more keys get "stuck" in software such that they're continuously registered as pressed

[night girder]

I hope you didn't pay too much for it

[jagged snow]

And now this

[jagged snow]

~ 80 usd

[night girder]

out of warranty?

[jagged snow]

Not sure

It's the only 100% format hot-swappable optical keyboard I was able to find for under 150usd though

[pure karma]

since when do they even make keyboards? clearly a good reasson i have never heard of them

[jagged snow]

Lol
Fairly recently

[bright spade]

Particle physics in Satisfactory when?

[soft bloom]

I only remember looking at one of the earlier ones, without expectations, only to find it empty. No fun

[soft bloom]

I mean, there like 3 different ones with earth and moon at full width

[bronze jasper]

A ton of people have been talking about the exif data in the images. It's certainly there

[soft bloom]

And given that they managed to post high quality cutouts of them I highly doubt it's from gopros mounted on the outside

[soft bloom]

And what are they saying? Rendered in space engine?

[bronze jasper]

You're one of the artemis mission hoax theorists?

[soft bloom]

I am making a joke

[bronze jasper]

i dont get it

[soft bloom]

Just thought of some ridiculous thing metadata could contain

[bronze jasper]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[soft bloom]

So either they know how to take images from inside without the artifacts of glass
But deliberately published bad ones?

[soft bloom]

We have accelerator already

[bronze jasper]

either that or what? It's a hoax mission?

Sucks to joke about this when there are serious people saying this out there. I find it hard to believe you're actually joking

and frankly, i refuse to discuss artemis with them

It just makes me sad that people think one of the greatest feats ever is faked

[soft bloom]

Or added them (artifacts) to make public believe more

Given that NASA did for a fact use Photoshop on images from apollo

It's not hard to believe they are treating it as pr gallery

Cause it is a gallery for public, not the "raw scientific data"

[bronze jasper]

yeah. Please take the conspiracy hoax jokes out of the tech channel. i'm exiting this conversation until more reasonably minded people are here

[soft bloom]

Space engine is an unhinged way to do this
Even if you wanted to fake it, it's a bad choice

[bronze jasper]

i'm not going to entertain all the reasons you think artemis is a hoax. You're a bad faith actor

[sharp matrix]

Wait why would nasa use photoshop on images from apollo

Not that i would entertain any hoax theories, clearly thats all delusions and should be treated the same as flat earthers

[slow flint]

NASA does use Photoshop on a lot of photos for the public, however they usually do also post all the raw images for anyone to see but its usually more intended for research purposes

You can look at a gallery of photos mars rovers have taken all unedited but most of them is just the ground or the same hill 70 times but the rover moved 30cm

NASA sometimes use photoshop on more of the publicity images to remove things like glare or artifacts and doing cropping.
This is very common for things like nebulas. The raw data looks nothing like the images online, but the more artistic renders give everyone who isn't a scientist a good idea of what they are and look like. This does not mean the images are fake its just meant to appeal to the average person.
Again all of the raw images and data can be found provided by NASA

Creating conspiracy's around the photos is dumb and dangerous

[sharp matrix]

I see

[soft bloom]

To make them look better? Like all good users of it do

[soft bloom]

Wait so you are shutting from discussion only because there's a glimpse of nuance, a question at hand?
That behavior feels oddly familiar to firm believers of certain ideas, that don't want to discuss them in the form of an argument and instead find a reason why not to talk...

[sharp matrix]

while i can get from a artistic standpoint, i would still prefer to see raw unedited photos from nasa

[soft bloom]

Tbf, raw photos are usually hard to look at without some color editing

[sharp matrix]

then provide two versions, one edited and one raw, that should be fine

my only thing i really dont like is the idea of a edited raw, and pretending that was what the camera took, not cool in my book, now i dont know exactly what nasa is doing in this case

but at the very least if nasa is going to provide a raw, it better be unedited, otherwise it kind of is self defeating

[twin dew]

They do provide those raw photos on that images site.
And use the edited images in the curated galleries on other sites.

Which are meant to be public facing PR.

[soft bloom]

okay perhaps not nearly 'the same'
But this one was cut into smaller pieces

the thing is, that it sun is illuinating moon about the same on both of these

but clearly some time went between those sots as evident from observable distance to the Earth

so unless they had some rotation of the Orion that made glass produce all these artifacts
I don't get why one of these has that wild glass artifact

[languid gulch]

has anyone checked to see if they felt like bringing film cameras this time?

[soft bloom]

no film 🙁
all digital

[soft bloom]

so funnily enough, uploading this to one of the photo forensics tools actually hghlighted a slight artifact in the top right corner
I didn't see it before

I realy glad that doesn't look like 2000s texture this time

[sharp matrix]

well there is always going to be that group

I might go look to see how much of the flat earthers have lost their mind about the current mission around the moon, probably would be a fun read

oh yes....matte painting its so obvious now

[rare sigil]

guys blueprints, cool, where

[dire igloo]

blueprints for what?

[rare sigil]

modular fabrication

[dire igloo]

Sorry, I don't know what that means, I have never played Factorio (I assume you're asking about the game)

[umbral marten]

Hello there fellow Pioneer!
You're currently chatting in off-topic channels.

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[rare sigil]

what I meant is that, those blueprints which take a raw material and make prodcuts. the structure in quiestion will itself be highly compacted in a space surrounded by walls, you just connect raw material belts and pull fishied product belt to some place sle

[dire igloo]

Buddy, wrong channel.
This is off topic tech.

[night girder]

What is Microsoft doing.

Last week, they said that it was opt-out. And that the data was able to go outside EU.

Now it's opt-in for the flex routes and data going outside EU.

[twin dew]

Because Opt-out to something like that wouldn't probably be legal in EU

[night girder]

Well that's what they said last week.

Microsoft changes Copilot for 365: data processing can suddenly take place outside the EU Microsoft is changing settings for business use of Copilot so that data processing can take place outside the European borders. This happens when demand is high. **This option will be enabled by default from April 17 for some of the organizations that use Microsoft 365. **
07-04-2026 • 16:05

[twin dew]

Because that was what US leadership wanted, and then that got hit hard and reversed.

[night girder]

In a week? Nah. Doubt it. EU is slow in response.

[twin dew]

Doesn't need to be official act that takes time.

[night girder]

I think something else is going on here.

[twin dew]

Even just EU side internal lawyer might be the cause.

[night girder]

Maybe someone internal with some power who reversed it. Or a legal team that woke up.

[twin dew]

MS internal.

[night girder]

Don't think anything outside.

Still weird to backpedal in a week.

[twin dew]

Not the first time.
And while official EU acts can take time, lower levels can still send warnings pretty fast.

And it wouldn't be first time MS leadership has tried to ignore EU side laws with things like that and then backpedal fast.

[night girder]

I cannot remember if this happened like this. So quick. Literally a week.

They just pay the fines if they do something wrong.

[twin dew]

Fine in that case: Up to 4% of the firm's worldwide annual revenue from the preceding financial year.

[soft bloom]

https://youtu.be/fsLh-NYhOoU?si=aCdm8YbOOGFFO5T2&t=3210
so, first of all, a thing that comes up near 1/3 of the length is that boundary of 1 dimensional 'sphere' is ... constant. a two to be exact. no pi. no r. just 2. OK
second, when he mention that in higher dimensions most of the volume is at the boundary... I couldn't help but remember that charge is distributed at the boundary. ofcourse those charges are repelling each other. and ofcourse it's natural that they behaves like this... but damn, I wonder just what dimension would closely model the way charge is distributed

[rocky sleet]

guys where is c+

[twin dew]

First there was C, and then they added a + to it, resulting in C++ (C + plus)

[night girder]

++ is increment operator in C

[twin dew]

That too.

[dire igloo]

C+ is also a grade in the US school system

[night girder]

I think Mark is going more crazy. He off.

No better way, to close gap between CEO and employees, than making a AI of yourself.

And if you make AI off all those employees too. Then AI can talk to AI and get a better connection!

Wonder how long it would take the AI employees to kill AI mark zuckerberg

[twin dew]

As in I remembered wrong, and that was the idea, incrementing C.

[glossy glacier]

Does he, by chance, have an assistant called Caroline?
And is investing into moon rock?

[soft bloom]

but it perfectly explains c#

[twin dew]

C++++

[short ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fJwtVW3JU0k

[pure karma]

Keyboard update

i have all the switches ordered now so im just waiting on deliveries

but i have enough to actually use it now

[waxen pendant]

coming along nicely.

Im a big fan of the blacktron colour theme

[sharp matrix]

I sure hope these hacked accounts are getting sent to the shadow realm

[waxen pendant]

i feel bad for the people being hacked.

[tough owl]

what I miss

[sharp matrix]

Just hacked accounts keep posting and messages are getting auto removed by dyno

[waxen pendant]

Man, why am i editing .ini files for modern games to add 1440 resolutions lol also thank fuck i got notepad++. Regular notepad crashed

[languid gulch]

can't wait to hear about ultrawide 😛

[mental oriole]

How can notepad crash...

never mind they added ai slop to it

[sharp matrix]

Yes

Im still trying to understand how anybody thought adding ai to notepad of all programs was the brightest idea...

Its literally one of the simplest programs in windows, to save and creating simple text documents but lets add ai to it because why not

[twin dew]

Not anymore.
They discontinued Wordpad and added lot of thats features into Notepad, making it from just plain text editor into Word-lite.

[sharp matrix]

Speaking of wordpad my copy of win11 still has it

[twin dew]

Then you are way out of date at this point.
IIRC goes away with 24H2 upgrade.
So if you are still on 23H2, you are out of support.

[sharp matrix]

Well crap

[twin dew]

Win 11 23H2 support ended in fall of 2025.

[sharp matrix]

I think i did something to the updates here i just checked and no update to go to next version is here

[twin dew]

Run the Installation Assistant to force upgrade.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

[sharp matrix]

doesnt do anything

[twin dew]

Did you actually run it?

[sharp matrix]

all im seeing a refresh button that does nothing

[sharp matrix]

yes, it shows a refresh button, clicking does nothing

[twin dew]

Screenshot?

[sharp matrix]

i see a button to download another app though

[twin dew]

Yeah, it tells what is missing.
That other software being run.
Same thing preventing the normal update from showing.

Can download it, or fake the registry entry.

[sharp matrix]

let me try running that other app and see what happens

[twin dew]

Location: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\PCHC
Dword: UpgradeEligibility
Value: 1

MS showed checking if HW is Win11 compatible into separate fucking app for some stupid reason.
And it sets that registry key if it is.

[sharp matrix]

other app isnt showing anything useful here either hmmm

[twin dew]

Yeah, it should run and say if you HW is Win11 compatible or not.
And if it is, it sets that registry key, and that refresh button in the install tool is checking if that key exists.

[sharp matrix]

also cant find that in the registry either hmmmm

I dont see a PCHC hmmmm

[twin dew]

Need to be created as Key.

Also note that that PCHC is installed, and you need to separately run it from start menu after.

The whole thing is a clusterfuck...

[languid gulch]

i feel like microslop is intentionally trying to destroy this version of windows for everyone so that they can declare it unfixable, with a "windows 12 will be non-AI, but also completely incompatible with any previous versions, and you have to buy a new key"

[night girder]

support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/check-if-a-device-meets-windows-11-system-requirements-after-changing-device-hardware-f3bc0aeb-6884-41a1-ab57-88258df6812b

[sharp matrix]

even after adding that regkey, nothing is still showing up in windows updates

[twin dew]

But does that installer go forward?

[sharp matrix]

oddly enough the installation assistant though is showing though something can install now though

[sharp matrix]

yeah it shows i can install now

[twin dew]

Yeah, because it was just checking for that specific key, that that PCHC should have made when run.

[sharp matrix]

the windows installation assistant has options i can move forward with hmmm

well the app is downloading something now so ill see what happens hmmm

[twin dew]

It downloads the latest version, updates most of the way, then gives warning it will reboot in 30 minutes, and give option to reboot immediately.
And will finish the upgrade.

[mental oriole]

Winbloat, or winblows.

[sharp matrix]

didnt work, need to investigate more

hmm my os really doesnt want to upgrade for some reason hmmm

[edgy hazel]

I have a suggestion

[mental oriole]

Arch linux?

[mental oriole]

Good

[twin dew]

Redo...

[mental oriole]

Root

[twin dew]

Needed to install the package, run, then remove, didn't bother dropping out between.

Was easier to do "sudo bash" to get root shell, then do the three commands, exit.

Also less information leakage.

As the actual username(s) are usable information.

[twin dew]

Ah, that GPU thing is because I don't even have pci.id:s installed.

AST2400 and AST2500 "GPU"s for the record.

[pure karma]

What on earth is a intel atom lol

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Atom

[pure karma]

Interesting

Literally have never heard of or seen one before

[twin dew]

Also, your CPU has Atom cores.
The efficiency cores are Atoms.

[pure karma]

Well they aren’t efficient so i dont believe them

[twin dew]

And you very likely had heard or seen one before.
The various very cheap Nxxxx CPU laptops.

The lineup got so bad rep, that Intel stopped using that branding for consumer stuff and put them under Pentium and Celeron brandings etc.

For a good reason.
They were in-order throwbacks to way earlier time until Bay Trail.
Usable in pinch but very slow in desktop use.

[twin dew]

Intels attempt at competing in smartphone CPUs, but too high power draw.

[sharp matrix]

Btw so I was finally able to get the os to update to go through with regular update. I found what I changed it, it was in policy settings, where as it turns out I put a blocker that stopped the feature updates from going through, going to guess that also stopped the installer from working correctly to, so now its updated to 24H2.

[twin dew]

I really need to either enable that setting, or update to 25H2, as Windows is very annoying trying to get me to update, when I have setting on to only install updates I select.

I need to do some windows profile maintenance before updating.

[sharp matrix]

you need windows pro as I think thats what allows these more advanced controls in local group policy editor

thats where I put in the blocker to stop the feature update, forgot I put it in place, thats what was stopping the update

[twin dew]

Hey, if I have control over what specific installs to install, that means I do have group policy etc, so Pro and up in use.

[sharp matrix]

Well can its under specifically manage windows updates offered from windows update, you can manage things like target feature update - this specifically is where I put in the blocker, etc

[twin dew]

I know the place, just forgotten it existed.

[sharp matrix]

as long as you have that editor or equal management you can stop the updater from annoying you or even offering those updates

[sharp matrix]

yeah I forget it existed again to, I had to go find where I even did it hahaha

[slow flint]

Yeah you only tend to see them in really cheap shit laptops or like Kiosk machines
We're talking $200-400 laptops

[pure karma]

truth is i think they were mostly before my time

like are they even still being made?

worst iv mostly seen is 2 core i3's

iv used a 6006u

a 12500T aswell i think it was but thats not all that low end just a mobile chip

[slow flint]

Think so
I was fixing atom laptops that where only a couple of years old last year

[pure karma]

outside of that just my gaming cpu's

[slow flint]

They're such low power shit that these laptops are
1/5th actual computer
4/5ths empty plastic chassis

Yeah heres an atom laptop mobo

The black plastic in the middle is a SODIMM ram slot

Most atom boards though everything is just soldered down

[sharp matrix]

Ewww atom laptops

I have seen those laptops, so slow in response times, even for basic tasks

[deft sinew]

Oooh fancy that one has a fan

[sharp matrix]

That one fan wont save it

[pure karma]

nintendo switch looking ahh boi

i always question why low end chips like this even exist

would it not just be more productive to limit down a higher end chip both in therms of future e waste and cost savings not having to constantly redesign a million diffrent models

like do similar to what i did on my laptop where the chip was so inefficient that disabling 6 of the cpu cores resulted in a gain of performance

like theres genuenly no purpose for low power computing like this outside of niche machines and like controlable signage i suppose

[slow flint]

Well that's the thing, they already make these low power cheap CPUs for signs, kiosks and other stuff
So they just throw that into a shitty laptop and call it a day

[pure karma]

but the thing is for that price you can get something better than isent already ewaste out of the box

so it dosent really make any sense

[slow flint]

Second hand sure
But people are weird about buying second hand so there is a market for really budget laptops
And people don't really know that a $400 laptop that's 4-5 years old and used is better than a brand new atom laptop

[pure karma]

at 5 years old i wouldent get something used since battery powered stuff is always a bad time

my laptop is not even 2 years old yet and has over 40% wear on the battery already

granted you can plug it in all the time but then your just wearing it out even more

[slow flint]

That's fucked
What kinda laptop?

[pure karma]

gaming laptops rack up charge cycles quick

i mean a full battery lasts me maybe 35 usable minutes with very conservative locked at 30FPS with msot the cpu cores disabled settings

if i loose the gpu i can stretch out 2 hours maybe

but what can you game on a IGPU these days otuside of liek stardew valley and other 2D games

like i charge it atleast 2-3 times a day when i use it

a crappy laptop dosent trash batteries as quick but the batteries have less cells generally so you only need a little over 30% wear to loose one completely and start playing the risky game