off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

But the design wasn't ready enough to be assembled and flown in Artemis 1.

[wanton orchid]

tldr: they are rushing it
for branding marketing politic reasons
not for scientific reasons
and that sounds pretty bad for the future

[twin dew]

Trying to stay in schedule that was made purely for political reasons, to get moon landing by end of 2024.
And slipped way onwards since being declared.

[wanton orchid]

turtles go farther than rabbits or something

[night girder]

Now I am beginning to think maybe NASA should do it all behind close doors again if I read this 🤣 Transparancy is backfiring because people are like "Oh no, a test failed, you fucked up NASA."
I mean, I joke a bit when the toilet fails etc. And it makes me think also. But it's still a test phase. Things are allowed to go wrong during test.
The crew is also a test crew, they know what they are in for.

And looking at the whole, few minor things did break, but nothing major so far.

The whole point of QA is to test. And tests can fail. No matter which phase. Aslong as it's not in production and labeled as "released/stable" 😄

[twin dew]

NASA human spaceflight side hasn't done anything other than validation testing since early Apollo.

As full scale.

And they have suffered again and again from that.

Same with Boeing StarLiner, as the extreme example.

For which NASA PR again lied again and again, until they couldn't anymore.

[wanton orchid]

the problem is they can't really be transparent
so they try to mix things
not because they are liers
but because of political or even personal pressure

[twin dew]

Or with Artemis 1 heatshield results.
Until GAO report blew the doors wide open.

Yes, but results in the fact that whatever NASA is right now saying might not be anywhere near the actual truth.
Or might, we cannot know.

Making everything they say in the various PR statements suspect and useless.

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/oakdice-runescape-gif-18004007

[twin dew]

That last Starliner one:
https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/02/nasa-chief-classifies-starliner-flight-as-type-a-mishap-says-agency-made-mistakes/

Where there was way too little investigation from NASA side into the earlier flight failures too, only giving out good PR and talking with that "This is why we test" lie, and then the same problems repeated flight after flight anyways.

That Artemis I heatshield, which NASA kept mostly under wraps for very long time until GAO report blew the doors wide open and NASA had to start doing more PR.
https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/nasa-confirms-independent-review-of-orion-heat-shield-issue/
https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/01/nasa-chief-reviews-orion-heat-shield-expresses-full-confidence-in-it-for-artemis-ii/

There were rumors about heatshield issues since shortly after the landing, but NASA either kept quiet or said everything was fine.
It was "fine", as in didn't cause catastrophic issues that time, but was way outside of the simulations.

https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/12/former-flight-director-who-reviewed-orion-heat-shield-data-says-there-was-no-dissent/

“Based on the data, we have decided—NASA unanimously and our decision-makers—to move forward with the current Artemis II Orion capsule and heat shield, with a modified entry trajectory,” Bill Nelson, NASA’s administrator, said Thursday.

vs.

In an interview, Camarda said he knew two people on the IRT who dissented from its conclusions that NASA’s plan to fly the Orion heat shield, without modifications to address the charring problem, was acceptable.

The question is, has NASA returned to same "normalization of deviance" culture that caused both Shuttle accidents.
In case of one where managers overrode the engineers about the booster seals and temperatures because there were important politicians there to watch the launch that day.

And allowing for the launched to continue even when partial burnthrough of the seals had been known issue for long time already.

Where one of the two seals had been burned through in places in multiple previous flights, that was just the first time the flames went through both seals.

Or that second one, where ice had been dropping during launch all the time, and once even causing heat shield damage, that just wasn't catastrophic in return because it was over steel part, which was able to weather the heat.
And in the loss it was over aluminium structure, which melted instead.

There are lot of similar warnings with Artemis, where they keep changing criteria at last moment to fly in schedule, instead of taking schedule and money hits and fixing things.

Or things like starting Artemis I SRB casting, and then stacking, on original schedule, while internally it was known at those times that that original schedule was pipe dream and not realistic.

And then rubber stamping the overaged SRBs as good to go anyways, ignoring the previously set limits, justifying it with "we measured things when we stacked that things were so good that we can do longer".

Betting that the seals would distort over time less than official model and testing used to set those limits.
And completely ignoring the other limit source which is the actual fuel mass starting to crack from gravity loads.

Repeated for Artemis 2.

"We centered the segments so well that the seals will be under less load than accounted for, so we can stay stacked for longer time"

[night girder]

NASA said it would fly Artemis II with operational changes to entry and with a less severe return trajectory than the Artemis I case that exposed the problem

NASA also said future Orion heat shields for later lunar-return missions were being produced with better uniformity and more consistent permeability in the Avcoat material.

[twin dew]

Yes, that is they attempt to bypass to not have to replace the heatshield with the redesigned version that will be used for Artemis 3.

[night girder]

And meanwhile

NASA's FY2027 budget proposal includes a 23% overall cut, with a 47% reduction to the Science Mission Directorate and a 10% increase for Exploration Systems, which includes the Artemis program

[twin dew]

Which is again only based on simulations.
Which completely failed with Artemis 1.

[night girder]

White House again proposes steep NASA budget cuts
2 days ago.

[twin dew]

Yup.

[night girder]

White House seeks $5.6 billion cut to NASA budget in 2027

And you are wondering why NASA is reusing the shield? And adjusting trajectory as af ix.

[sharp matrix]

Future space missions arent looking promising....

[night girder]

I think NASA is trying to not waste too much money.

By 1) making new heat shield. 2) pushing artemis 2 back because of the new shield.

[sharp matrix]

How long until future missions are cancelled at this rate

[night girder]

So smart, riskier but efficient approach is to adjust trajectory while entering our earth atmosphere.

To reduce load on heatshield.

[twin dew]

Not reusing.
Using already made, known to be bad, design, with altered trajectory to attempt to minimize the chance of catastrophic failure.
Without actual data if the altered trajectory will be bettero or worse, just that based on their simulations it is better.
But the simulations failed before, because they don't have enough actual data of how the heatshield behaves.

[night girder]

I read the article. That's what I meant.

[twin dew]

Because they skipped actual testing, trusting just simulations.

[night girder]

After months of testing and review, NASA decided not to remove and replace the Artemis II heat shield. The agency stated in December 2024 that the Artemis II shield already attached to the capsule could keep the crew safe if Orion returned under changed entry conditions. NASA said it would fly Artemis II with operational changes to entry and with a less severe return trajectory than the Artemis I case that exposed the problem. NASA also said future Orion heat shields for later lunar-return missions were being produced with better uniformity and more consistent permeability in the Avcoat material.

[twin dew]

It is higher peak heating, over less time.
With hope that the spalling will be lesser, because there isn't as much time to get heat transfer to interior and gas bubbles.

[night girder]

If the revised entry profile does not reduce the pressure-buildup problem inside the Avcoat as much as NASA expects, the shield could again crack and shed charred material in ways that do not match preflight predictions. That does not automatically mean loss of crew. Artemis I data, and NASA’s own public wording, point the other way. It would mean Orion is returning with less analytical margin than NASA wanted for its first crewed lunar flight.

[twin dew]

Harder on the heatshield, but hopefully bypasses the spalling problem.

And if it doesn't spall, it has the margin for it.

[night girder]

So it sounds like a calculated risk?

[twin dew]

Yes, to get Artemis II closer to the time, to not have to change the heatshield on the capsule.
Which would have taken a year or so.

[night girder]

And they don't have infinite money.

Like I was trying to tell you.

Pushing Artemis II back, even for a year, costs a lot of money.

[twin dew]

.

[night girder]

And if there is not enough ROI 🤷‍♂️

[sharp matrix]

No more missions, its over

[night girder]

for NASA*. (I forgot about SpaceX)

[sharp matrix]

Well maybe other countries will pick it up in the future

Just the US will abandon it thats true

[night girder]

I really not sure what they will do if there is loss of life.

[sharp matrix]

Idk SpaceX needs those government contract doesnt it?

[twin dew]

Balancing between cancellation for being too slow.
And cancellation because of people dying because steps were skipped or stupid risks taken to stay in schedule.

[night girder]

I have no clue anymore how the hell it works over there.

[night girder]

you can't stagnate.

[twin dew]

And currently to me it seems were are closer to the second, taking unnecessary risks to save money on testing, because SLS and Orion are both so expensive, and because the originally set schedule was a political pipe dream.

[night girder]

I have faith.

[twin dew]

As both SLS and Orion are Congress mandated as is.

[night girder]

So far so good. If shit hits the fan, then I know.

But so far no indications to think mission is a fail.

[twin dew]

At least Artemis III got descoped because of those schedule issues to be actual design test flight.
To use up the Artemis III SLS while it is still in its official launch window.

[night girder]

Devil advocate; I think NASA is just doing the best with the hand they got delt... dealed?

[twin dew]

Even when those goals of that mission could be completed without SLS ever launching.

[night girder]

it's not easying navigating between science and (geo)-politics.
NASA is heavily influenced by both. And then they try to keep a few international partners.

[twin dew]

And the corresponding SLS getting scrapped instead.

Which would be cheaper, but wouldn't look good.

[sharp matrix]

Going by these planned budget cuts, that hand isnt looking so good

[twin dew]

Artemis is getting more money.
Actual science is getting way less.

As Artemis is what the politicians want, as money funnel.
That science isn't sexy for the politicians, so it gets cuts.

[sharp matrix]

Apu science gets the shaft

[night girder]

Right? So they make the best out of it.

If you don't do "fancy" stuff, they get less money.

[twin dew]

Part of the reason why Artemis is late, is that politicians didn't give money for the smaller "side" projects needed for the actual landings.
Only SLS and Orion.
So landers and suits etc. are late, as they got funded late.

[night girder]

But to do fancy stuff they need the money. So they take calculated risks/short cuts I assume.

That's why ESA does mostly "boring" stuff. Satellites, no-crew stuff. No budget. But also EU doesn't expect flashy stuff atm.
They want practical things, like satellite network etc.

[twin dew]

Same with the now cancelled Lunar Gateway.

Which whole existence was result of SLS & Orion service module not being able to put Orion into low moon orbit and get back to earth.
That lunar HALO orbit was closest to moon they could get.

Because the better upper stage for SLS was never budgeted, and the service module was old design, sized when way oversized lunar lander was supposed to do the braking burn for the combined orion & service module & lunar lander combo, during Constellation Program.

[sharp matrix]

Im tempted to think cancelling lunar gateway was dumb but maybe im wrong

[twin dew]

So as the service module was outsourced to ESA, it "couldn't be changed", so Lunar Gateway was added instead.

[twin dew]

It was bad, expensive, hack to requirements hole in other parts, that "couldn't be changed".

[night girder]

NASA kills lunar space station to focus on ambitious Moon base

That's the reason Slechtvalk 🤣

[twin dew]

It only existed because of that "Orion cannot get to moon and back" issue.

[night girder]

And also just shows how dependent ESA is on NASA.

[sharp matrix]

Moon base is always a decade away right

[twin dew]

Whops, almost forgot, the other part is because Orion doesn't have the loiter duration to be able to chill out at that HALO orbit by itself.

So Orion could only get to that HALO orbit as closest to moon.
And couldn't stay there by itself.
So lets build a station in that HALO orbit!

Instead of doing something so that Orion could get to LLO and back.

[night girder]

I present to you. The moonbase:

Or how NASA envisions it 🤣

[sharp matrix]

Makes me wonder if itll ever happen, that aforementioned moon base that gets mentioned time and time again

[night girder]

Oh it will happen. Eventually.

[twin dew]

And now everyone is trying to convert the various stuff that was designed for Lunar Gateway to be used on that moonbase instead.
Including the station modules etc.

[night girder]

You can clearly see, we (humans) cannot resist exploring space. And/or inhabiting it.

[twin dew]

Instead of starting from scratch instead if that made more sense.

[sharp matrix]

A decade away right

[night girder]

Or way longer. Depends on how things go down here on our own planet.

[sharp matrix]

So basically they tore apart the lunar base and put it on the surface instead in pieces, ok then

I mean i was thinking a actual base but this can work i guess...

[night girder]

baby steps right? 🤣

[sharp matrix]

Indeed hahahaha

I mean its better than nothing for sure

[night girder]

Sometimes it does feel like we missing a few crucial parts, can't put my finger on it.

but the way we travel atm is very fragile, slow and error prone. Doesn't sound scaleable on larger scales.

Like we are on horse and cart when it comes to space travel, because we don't have the knowledge of sport cars yet.

[sharp matrix]

Aliens need to lend us ships asap, they'll fix it

[night girder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_forest_hypothesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoo_hypothesis

Also interesting one 😄

But if the Aliens are more intelligent than us. They know it's best not to interact with us.

[sharp matrix]

Hence we need to call up the nearest alien civilization and beg for ships

[night girder]

It doesn't need someone very smart. Just observe our planet and what we do. And you know; "Yeah, nop. Not landing there"

[night girder]

Would you tell aliens humans are cool? Or would you tell them, get the fuck away from us for your own (the aliens) safety?

[sharp matrix]

I would tell them to quarantine our entire solar system to be honest

I mean as you say look at what we do on our own planet, yeah....

[night girder]

Maybe we already are but we just don't know

[sharp matrix]

And i couldnt even blame the aliens

[sharp matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfThiqDd9FA

A failed attempt at setting up a moon base

maybe do this a few more times and we can make a hole to put the base inside of the moon hmmmm

[night girder]

I must stop clicking on YT videos embeded in discord. Stupid ads.

[night girder]

The origin of the rocket part involved in this moon crash is unclear. Gray had initially identified it as the SpaceX Falcon rocket stage that launched the US Deep Space Climate Observatory, or DSCOVR, in 2015 but later said he'd gotten that wrong. China’s space agency denied the booster was from its Chang'e-5 moon mission, saying that the rocket in question burned up on reentry to Earth's atmosphere.

No agencies systematically track space debris so far away from Earth, and the confusion over the origin of the moon crash rocket stage has underscored the need for official agencies to monitor deep-space junk more closely, rather than relying on the limited resources of private individuals and academics.

I do think there is a debris tracking system.

As of April 2025, the European Space Agency's Space Environment statistics reported 40,230 artificial objects in orbit above the Earth regularly tracked by Space Surveillance Networks and maintained in their catalogue.[8]

But that's for earth orbit.

As of January 2019, more than 128 million pieces of debris smaller than 1 cm (0.4 in), about 900,000 pieces of debris 1–10 cm, and around 34,000 of pieces larger than 10 cm (3.9 in) were estimated to be in orbit around the Earth.

And what they track is large, What they can't track they estimate. And afaik, these small pieces of debris can be dangerous.

Collisions with debris have become a hazard to spacecraft. The smallest objects cause damage akin to sandblasting, especially to solar panels and optics like telescopes or star trackers that cannot easily be protected by a ballistic shield.[10]

Ah yes. That was it 😄

[pure karma]

The aids are real on discord

[cold tide]

i forget to do that on mobile too

share link to brave works fastest usually

[bronze jasper]

I would look upon them and my consciousness would shatter into infinity as their psychic aura warps my reality, causing me to drift eternally into the cosmic tapestry.

Eldritch style aliens

Any extra terrestrial that could make it to earth would be so advanced that it would probably rule over us with a thought. Guiding our evolution over millennia, just so we'd develop a spare part they need to get back home.

[jagged snow]

What on earth is wrong with my net

[pure karma]

ok ADA

[bronze jasper]

People need to learn using their brain and then apply what they've learned using AI

Same way you learn math before you use calculators

I used to get told by teachers, you won't always have a calculator in your pocket. But now I got the Internet in my pocket always

Nobody even thinks calculators will ruin math literacy anymore. Since that's actually a far out idea that would've never happened. And now that's evident

She once did an entire lesson on the black board with a pencil. A fkn Pencil!

Get it? Cause your math teacher is baba yaga

Little John wick 1 reference there

No the pencil part

A fkn Pencil!

AnakinVsYounglings.gif

Maybe she should've used a calculator

British then it's iiiither an America is eeether.

Yeh and there's overlap too

English™

Not little. Grizzes on the north end but they mostly hate it over here. They like big country. The brown bears love it here. One of them knows I have garbage in my yard somewhere but he can't find it. It's in the shop an he doesn't know the door doesn't latch or how to push it open

They're scared of people mostly but are really into our garbage

[wanton orchid]

except ai is not doing part of what you would do better
they do something else that gives out random bullshit
now ofcourse some people would have done things like the ai do, because not everyone got instructed correctly
it's the classical do bullshit fast so then we can say computers can be faster at it
NO. FUCKING. WAY.
WHAT. A. SURPRISE.

[bronze jasper]

what you're describing is another case of user error. If you trust the AI like it's a person, you're doing it wrong.

If you use a search engine without verifying information, you're also doing it wrong.

People put 5138008 into calculators and hold them upside down. Many would say they're using it correctly.

<t:1775516520:f> will be the closest lunar flyby so says nasa. estimate of course

[night girder]

And tomorrow, I believe, they break record for (living) humans furthest away from earth. Since they will go going further than Apolo crew.,
edit: right now they testing/prepping spacesuits for those interested.

[wanton orchid]

yet again
you want to claim good use is
: do ai search
: then do search manually
: compare
then only do manual search altogether
that ai search is only downloading fresh bias and dumb assumptions from bias and assumptions machine

[bronze jasper]

didn't claim that and i don't get into ai debates with people who are immediately hostile right out of the gate. I don't think i've ever spoken to you on this subject before, so this is a really bad start. Best to just not.

[night girder]

I doubt we get to see the actual testing phase though 🙁
They going to check for leaks in the suite.

[bronze jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RwfNBtepa4 it's just bluescreend for me.

[wanton orchid]

"right out of the gate" you are assuming we were born from the start of your conversation

[night girder]

Euhm. I got livestream. But there is two streams.

One is bluescreen a lot because that's outside camera.

The other stream is with reporter and switching cameras between outside, inside etc.

[bronze jasper]

right

got it now

[night girder]

👍

I forgot how they were going to test for leaks 🤔

...will conduct a full sequence of suit operations, including putting on and pressurizing their suits, performing leak checks, simulating seat entry, and assessing mobility and their ability to eat and drink.

[pure karma]

bro so much for "next day shipping" its been like 2 weeks since i ordered these switches bro where tf are they 😂

a single 18 pack cant be that hard to ship can it

[sharp matrix]

Loved that show

So many years and no stargate, still always gold

Would love for a new series thats just as good but idk

[languid gulch]

MagicZ traveling at near the speed of light confirmed

[bronze jasper]

there's the new one coming but i don't trust it. it's not filmed in the same location as all the other shows before it. Having such good production culture is what made SG1 and Atlantis so great i think

That Vancouver vibe will be lost. Same thing that happened to the xfiles when it left Vancouver

[languid gulch]

Artemis is in lunar SOI

~18hrs to perilune

Koch just said that the moon is now bigger in the window than earth

[languid gulch]

ngl i wouldn't mind not actually landing people on the moon if it meant putting something like Gateway or bigger as a permanently inhabited station

[twin dew]

Landing planned for 2028.

[languid gulch]

yea but rn i have 0 trust in any of the progress of the landers

i have more confidence in my KSP landers

i think the primary plan is for Starship to be the lander

yea, to me it has to do its LEO job for years before going to the moon

final certification should be Elon on board for an earth landing

[twin dew]

Which is related how to using starship on moon?

[languid gulch]

confidence in your own product to not kill the crew

[twin dew]

There is going to be on-orbit testing with Artemis 3, and separate landing and relaunch to orbit testing done on Moon.

• all the normal development testing on Earth SpaceX is doing currently.

Humans in Starship on earth launch or re-entry is long way off in any plans.

[languid gulch]

i thought they were on the short list for being the primary landing

[twin dew]

On moon, not on Earth.

[languid gulch]

ah

yea that doesn't make me feel better 🤣

[twin dew]

Orion for the return to Earth.

[languid gulch]

oh i was toasted a long time before we met

[sharp matrix]

I have full confidence a moon base will remain always a decade away for quite some time, maybe 50-100 years

[languid gulch]

to give it the same feeling as the ISS rn, yea

[sharp matrix]

Do we have any plan for even replacing the ISS or is that going to become always a decade away to

[languid gulch]

dumb shit going on rn

some plans to put something kinda substantial up

[sharp matrix]

So decade away always i gather

[languid gulch]

i just hate that it's clearly headed for corporate domination vs exploration, at least for now

[sharp matrix]

So space but for the wealthy only

[languid gulch]

it's the one place we could choose to ditch things like nationalism and corporations

[sharp matrix]

I can see it now the next base in space to replace the ISS is going to be a luxury space station, where the multi billionares, etc watch down to rule over us all

[sharp matrix]

But think how dumb this could get as a alternative to that

[languid gulch]

idk if we could come up with anything dumber

[sharp matrix]

Dont underestimate musk and co

[languid gulch]

i do throw spacex into the "and corporations" part of that

[sharp matrix]

Hence why this could easily become very dumb

We cant be not with musk and co im afraid

[languid gulch]

i'm a gigantic advocate for spaceflight & exploration. i disagree with how just about all of it is being done, and why

[sharp matrix]

The worst thing its only being done for pr boost of political ego and science is being thrown into the gutter

[languid gulch]

yup

[sharp matrix]

Whats being done is basically horrible

[languid gulch]

i like the engineering going into the vehicles, but man we need a global smack upside the head with leadership & philosophy

trying my best not to say anything political 🤣

[sharp matrix]

Yep its clear the US isnt the leader in will much of anything....

Our government is dogshit now to, we can form a club, how many governments are dogshit now

https://tenor.com/view/shit-crap-jurassic-park-gif-5386830

Sigh to

Sigh again

[night girder]

Ah, so they have done OTC 3. For about 19 seconds.

[twin dew]

About 3.17 m/s delta-V burn.
If it was 10.4 feet/second burn, as it seems to have been.

• attitude yaw-pitch-roll 312,315,75 (degrees from travel direction?)
• delta-v x-y-z 4.7 -5.3 7.6 (feet/second on each axis compared to travel direction?)

Trying to find out how much of the service module Delta-V capability was used for TLI.

[night girder]

ah they said 9.9 FT for 14 seconds yesterday, but that was few hours before OCT 3 during press conference.

[twin dew]

It kept changing, at one point it was 10.1

[night girder]

but I heard it was 19 seconds, just watched a recap.

[twin dew]

Yea, that was the final actual burn.

[night girder]

Today will be a fun day 😄

I mean, for the astronauts atleast, they get to stare at the moon for hours.

Our planet is so tiny 😄 Sorry for bad quality, NASA's fault.

446KB for a picture 5568x3712px. Ok, most is black but still. Wtf.

[twin dew]

Ok, that explains it, the original TLI was only 388m/s.
Out of about 1000m/s the service module is capable off.
So they have tons of margin with fuel.

Possibly 1250m/s total.

250km earth orbit to moon transfer would have been 3119m/s.
GEO transfer to moon transfer would have been 679m/s.

Moon transfer to 100km LLO would be 821 m/s.
And same to get from 100km LLO to earth transfer.

So for moon transfer to 100km LLO and return towards Earth would take 1642m/s delta-V, which Orion & SM isn't capable off, which was the reason for that HALO orbit station plan.

With another stage providing that TLI to get from earth to moon transfer.
Which in this case was mostly provided by the SLS second stage, and only that 388m/s needed to be provided by Orion SM.
And then that SM provides just these small corrections, and the return braking is done by the heatshield, not with fuel.

[twin dew]

I don't have a cat, as I don't trust myself to provide suitable life environtment for one.

[night girder]

Think they are dumping again into space 🤣

[sharp matrix]

Yep

[soft bloom]

I would expect Them to pick a side that is least probable to catch asteroids, but without potential volcanic activity.
And on visible , for communication purposes.

That image looks like opposite of all 3

[night girder]

Just a visual representation of the base itself.

The location is unknown. That's what the current mission is about.

And "we need human eyes to look at the moon for science".

[soft bloom]

There's crater
And there's earth near horizon

[night girder]

Yeah, they pulled that out of their arse.

They don't have a location for the moonbase afaik.

They barely have a date

[soft bloom]

Sweet time it was when they planned to send humans to mars in 2020...

[oblique hamlet]

then covid hit

[night girder]

So by 2032 a permanent present 🤣

[oblique hamlet]

2064, 2128, 2256, etc

[soft bloom]

Covid isn't "why" it didn't happen
If there were anywhere close to ready then a few months of covid wouldn't suddenly make them forget and lose tech required to do so

[oblique hamlet]

I amend my statement with /s

[twin dew]

Then Congress didn't give money.

[night girder]

What I don't get is.

NASA is kicking off with a rapid series of robotic and early uncrewed missions to scout,
experiment, and prepare for surface operations ahead of the astronaut missions in 2028.

And this is a PDF from nasa official website posted on 2026-03. And now we have a crew in space? 🤔
www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/building-the-moon-base-1.pdf?emrc=69cd87edc4dce

[twin dew]

For on-surface astronaut missions that are planned to happen starting in 2028.

[night girder]

Phase 1 (Now–2029): Experiment, Learn
NASA is kicking off with a rapid series of robotic and early uncrewed missions to scout,
experiment, and prepare for surface operations ahead of the astronaut missions in 2028.

Nothing about on surface.

They say, we start with experimenting and learning from 2026-2029 with UNCREWED missions to PREPARE for surface operations.

What they are doing now is crewed exploration. So makes no sense. Nothing states about uncrewed SURFACE exploration.

[twin dew]

Yes, there will be uncrewed surface stuff between today and first landing.

It doesn't, but it means that.

Too implicit that they forgot to explicitly state that.

Because that is just rehashing old stuff, just with future moon base added into far future.

[night girder]

I don't know...

[twin dew]

There has for long time been plans for uncrewed test(s) of the lander(s).
Uncrewed test(s) of the planned manned rover(s) in uncrewed mode.
And various small scale landings with commercial providers.
And that the SpaceX lander would deposit some rovers too when being tested.

[night girder]

Also. I give you two snippets of NASA PR, seperate sources.

1. Should we fail, and should we look on as our **__rivals __**achieve their lunar goals ahead of our own, we are not going to celebrate our adherence to excess requirements, policy or bureaucratic process.
   👆 This is said by Isaacman

2. This program will be built alongside our
   commercial innovators and international partners, whose contributions will be essential to
   achieving a sustained presence on the lunar surface.

So it's a constant balance of or tug of war, I don't know how to describe it. We want to work together. And then it's nah, we don't want our rivals to progress.

Almost like NASA suffers from some sort of split personality disorder.

[twin dew]

That rivals means Chinas moon program.

Who NASA is by law not allowed to partner with.

[night girder]

meanwhile China wanted to work together I believe for a moonbase.

In 2020, China proposed the International Lunar Research Station (ILRS), a somewhat similar proposal to the Moon Village, with the Russian space agency Roscosmos and the ESA showing interest.

China has expressed interest in the Moon Village[30][31] as has NASA, as the Moon Village relates to NASA's proposed Lunar Gateway space station.

Now Russia and China are working together.

Not sure if anyone seen that one. It's a parody. But not that far fetched tbh.

I laughed my ass off with it 😄 But it's basically international forces sabotaging eachother in space itself.

[twin dew]

But Rivals means China.
Partners means Canadian Space Agency and ESA.
Russians are ignored at this point except with ISS.

[night girder]

Yeah, it's weird. "We are friendly. And thank you friends. But fuck you non friends."

Oh, and let's not forget "We do this for humanity" 😭

I try to ignore it the best I can and focus on the "science" but whenever I read something, they sneak in these things constantly.

Different topic; is the DLS5 video of Nvidia still blocked?

It got blocked earlier.

[twin dew]

Italian TV station claimed it as their content 🤣

[night girder]

Because a Italian news agency did a copyright strike?

[twin dew]

Showed it in TV, and then claimed the whole broadcast, including those parts as their content, and registered with YouTubes autodetection, and then claimed all other uses that got detected as infringement of their copyright...

[night girder]

Still blocked.

Wonder if YT will give them the special threatment.

Or Nvidia has to go through what all the small content creators have to go through.

[pure karma]

Got the link?

[sharp matrix]

What video?

Well dlss 5 = instagram filter. I fail to see how this is a break through

[soft bloom]

I did
twice (I need dumb humor like this)
it is more on point than I could have expected

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mrGMMmrVNE
this is really nice
robots using LLMs key principles to process vision data, text input and output mechanical actions

[soft bloom]

and budget meetings

I think that's what I rememebered the most
working with budget

[night girder]

Euhm.

If you go here; www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss5-breakthrough-in-visual-fidelity-for-games/

and try to play video you get message.

[night girder]

Yeah, for a 5 year old show. It's pretty on point 🤣

Too bad they cancelled it 🙁

[soft bloom]

Don't look up stole idea with asteroid

Actually idk about timeline

[pure karma]

This one?

Still up here

[night girder]

No. Oh wait. The hell?

it just got back up then haha.

Damn YT is quick with giving Nvidia their video back. And small content creators are leaving the platform because they get mass copy striked

[pure karma]

i dont think google to too keen on starting beef with Nvidia since without nvidia google wouldent exist

[night girder]

Ah, finally crew woke up (including post/pre sleep) 😄

55m32s until breaking record

[pure karma]

isent the stream in like 6 hours?

[night girder]

no 🤣

The "event" started 10 minutes ago.

Record will be broke in about 54 minutes.

[pure karma]

shid the shedule date on the stream said 8PM not 2PM lmao

must have changed sometime today

[night girder]

And then they be taking pictures of the moon in teams of two. Two at window for an hour taking pictures.
The other team backing them up and doing tasks. Every hour they swap around to observe the moon at the window.

They have targets on the moon and X amount of minutes to observe those targets.

The record is only; we have gone further than Apollo.

It's Eastern Daylight Time.

[night girder]

Omg.

Product displacement in space ...

Nutella "randomly" flew by ... 🤣

[pure karma]

"includes paid promotion" moment

[soft bloom]

I love how moon slowly moves across the screen as you move coursor across the livestream timeline

why does it sound like that we are going to get more data from verbal description of what they see and photos they make with handheld camera, then from any previous unmanned lunar observations?

today NASA learned that looking at bright object and then dim objects is tiring for the eyes

she looked very disturbed a moment ago

it was after report/question if they can see Shredingers crater, I think

that's what you do when you hear about something what shouldn't be

turned out to be Zeeman crater (if I wrote it right)

[proud blaze]

Lol completely forgot that they are going around the moon😂

[night girder]

because of "human eyes".

Which observe better than cameras - NASA.

Cameras can't "see" in 3D or something.

And they also explained. This is a way to double check the robotic observations made of the past decade.

But human eyes have problems. For one, 0g make fluid in human body go up the the head, affecting eye-sight.

The earth is so bright for the astronauts atm, they had to use T-shirt to block one of the windows.

The moon is so bright for the astronauts eyes, they have to adjust. But if they look at their pad, the eyes might need to readjust when looking at the moon.

That's why ground suggest they will call out what they looking at, so they can keep eyes adjusted to the moon.

[soft bloom]

unpaid advisory to nasa future lunar missions:
sun glasses

[night girder]

Sorry for the late response. Wasn't home 🙂 But was listening to livestream in my car 🤣

[night girder]

Yeah, I am tempted to mail to NASA about the Nutella jar.

1. I highly doubt nutella is the food for astronauts.
2. I highly doubt nutella is useful in emergency decompression of vehicle. They need to put suits on and have a tiny straw to eat through and for medications.

In the future; space vehicles will look like a nascar car. Full with sponsors.

[night girder]

Also not forgot, they looking through 80-400mm lens. Nikon DSLR. So sun moon glasses isn't advisble I think.

[soft bloom]

wait, they just now suggested using t-shirts...

[night girder]

t-shirts and ductape. That will fix almost anything right

the fact one window doesn't have a way to be covered, sounds like an oversight and something they didn't expect.

[soft bloom]

they ran simulations, remember?

indeed, very distinct angle

[night girder]

yeah, but if one tiny window + earth = brighten the interior while it should be dark.

and the whole point is to make it dark inside for better observation.

They might have fucked that one up
OR the T-shirt was the plan from the start.

[soft bloom]

well, some way to decrease brightness for the eyes

[night girder]

My **__hunch __**is, they didn't expect the earth to be this bright.

[soft bloom]

☝️ PR of improvised solutions?

[soft bloom]

tinfoil on
it's justify no stars on video and photos
tinfoil off

[night girder]

I though I've seen stars.

But it turned out the be bio waste being dumpoed.

[soft bloom]

there was only one early photo
na dmaybe a couple with just 1 star

[night girder]

from this voyage?

I though you meant livestream.

[soft bloom]

not on livestream

[night girder]

This is from a decent camera.

This one is also pretty.

[soft bloom]

convergent crater rays?..

[night girder]

I think these.

the parallel black lines, canyons.

but not sure

[soft bloom]

nice.
Orion, Moon and Earth all in one shot

I didn't expect Glover to talk about love, but could there be a better moment?
don't think so 😉

[elfin cedar]

I really wish someone made a touchbar for other OSes, or where could I buy a really thin touchscreen

because I would love to have a little touchbar sitting on my desk

[night girder]

Yeah, I liked that too.

[soft bloom]

so, they can see surface of the moon, during eclipse (when moon blocks sunlight from hitting them)
WOW

[soft bloom]

maybe I wasn't imagining when it seemed like I can see dark (not illuminated by the sun) side of the moon when it was crescent-like

more product placement?

[bronze jasper]

sort of how when we look up at the moon and see some of the dark parts of it still. that's because of the light reflected off of earth

if they were back there during a lunar eclipse, where the shadow of the earth is passing over the moon, it'd be a lot darker

[sharp matrix]

I find it hilarious in the era of ai slop, videos about ai slop get taken down because the ai slop youtube uses is equally so dumb it doesnt even know what its doing also

And those the marvelous circle of ai garbage is complete

[soft bloom]

Btw, they are further from Moon than ISS is from Earth

[languid gulch]

yea, they never got that close

[bronze jasper]

youtube doesn't have a rule about not making ai slop.

[languid gulch]

it might be reflected earthlight, which is way brighter than moonlight at night on earth

[bronze jasper]

videos wouldn't be taken down just for being ai generated

[languid gulch]

any hint of AI usage on YT should result in instant channel demonetization

with a nice lil label letting everyone know that the channel uses AI

[bronze jasper]

you'd probably not do well running youtube it sounds like. If videos are getting traffic, alphabet wants them monetized. They're not out there gate keeping production quality. Slop built youtube

[languid gulch]

yup, i'd suck at making money for a corporation because i'd want to produce a useful and thoughtful product

[bronze jasper]

most of the demonetization they do is for legal compliance. probably all of it.

that's whaat youtube is. it's useful to the public. it's not meant to be gate kept

[languid gulch]

that's why i don't want to ban AI slop from it. keep it, but they don't dare get to make a dime from it

[bronze jasper]

When google first bought youtube, everyone was afraid it would change with all these new content rules and uploading wouldn't be free anymore. I'm glad goog didn't go that way with it. Youtube would suck then.

I think they're smart enough to know, not to fuck with the open platform part of it

[languid gulch]

yea, google just adspammed it into garbage

[bronze jasper]

You see, they're an advertising company first and foremost right? so they want the people making content that gets the most views to be happy. Why would the demonitize popular content ?

If it isn't popular than it's no problem

[languid gulch]

google used to be a search engine

[bronze jasper]

But they never profited from that. They're an advertising company since thats where they make the most of their money

[languid gulch]

they did make money on it, just not "enough" money according to investors once they were let in

[bronze jasper]

how do you make money from a free search engine? By selling ads

[languid gulch]

small amounts of ads

i was around for those days

[bronze jasper]

Cool. I've been online since before the www. What does that prove?

[languid gulch]

it tells me you've forgotten what those days were like

[snow plaza]

that you're old

hi dad, ever finish buying that milk?

[sharp matrix]

Youtube is another cash cow for alphabet, they arent going to change how that part works now, to much money involved

[bronze jasper]

What makes you think i've forgotten those days? They're an advertising company and that isn't wrong. You really need to come to terms with it. Youtube won't demonetize content that way.

[languid gulch]

i never said they will, i said they should

[bronze jasper]

It's nice to want things huh?

[languid gulch]

greedy fucks never change, the only option is for them to disappear

[sharp matrix]

Alphabet says no to touching the cash cow

[bronze jasper]

Do not fk with the golden goose. She has a delicate temper

Youtube could still become another myspace over night

[sharp matrix]

If the model is changed it might

[languid gulch]

i'd have 0 problem if all of Meta & Alphabet disappeared overnight

[sharp matrix]

Like it or not the open platform is one reason its gotten as large as it is

[languid gulch]

open platform until it got just enough power to sledgehammer the competiton out of existence

[sharp matrix]

Well, competition needs to build competing products, thats how the market works

Cant blame youtube because competition wont step up

[languid gulch]

lol could you imagine if PH felt like expanding their video IP into "normal" content

[twin dew]

Camera cannot see in 3D, not related to this, as the distance is too long for human to see that either really.
The brain still tries to do 3D, but just from relative size of things, not from the difference of what eyes see compared to each other.

But current digital cameras still have way less dynamic range than human eye.

HDR with camera takes multiple images with different exposure settings and combines them to get closer to eyes dynamic range.

Add to that the ability to see bigger picture and focus to specific places fast.
Compared to basically all the unmanned solutions where you program the observations early and just check the results after the whole run is done.
And if any settings related to that exposure, or what to target, are off, next chance to observer same place will usually be in months.

With different lighting conditions.

Also most of that unmanned observation has been almost straight down, not angled.

And from significantly lower altitudes over moon surface.

[languid gulch]

blech

wish gpus had better airflow options

my case has 4 options for airflow, and all of them kinda suck

[tribal kraken]

💦

[pure karma]

I don’t my gpu is already at average summer temperatures under load

Thats enough cooling

[soft bloom]

Arguab)y ai slop in software us much more destructive than low quality videos
But are you ready to demonetize Microsoft?

[soft bloom]

And where would you rather have their middle management to work instead?

[sharp matrix]

Somewhere in the shadow realm

[soft bloom]

so you think they are less dangerous under Microsoft?

[sharp matrix]

Who said anything about them working at microsoft

[night girder]

How do we demonetize Microsoft?

[sharp matrix]

Hmmm

In theory nobody buys anything from them, os or otherwise, in practice thats not happening

[soft bloom]

introduce linux

[sharp matrix]

Lol

[night girder]

news.microsoft.com/source/2025/07/30/microsoft-cloud-and-ai-strength-fuels-fourth-quarter-results/

[soft bloom]

shadow realm

[night girder]

Windows is only like a small part
I know you were going to say "Go Linux..." but microslop smart.
They didn't put all eggs in same basket.

[sharp matrix]

Why do you think thats microsoft

[soft bloom]

because they have so much cloud

[night girder]

6.15% is windows.

Most of revenue is from cloud.

[sharp matrix]

Right

[night girder]

How the hell do they make so much money with LinkedIN.

[sharp matrix]

Idk

17b from linkedin wtf

[night girder]

Yeah. Crazy right?

[sharp matrix]

How

[night girder]

I hated LinkedIN with a passion. HATED it.

[sharp matrix]

Where is this revenue coming from👀

[soft bloom]

but without windows OS, most of it will fall

[night girder]

You change your status that you found a new job/project.
You get 50 messages from headhunters asking "Hey, you looking for a new job?" 🤦‍♂️

Then people started to post their shitty opinions on LinkedIN like they do on Facebook and other social media. While I though it was a platform/service for professionals.

[sharp matrix]

I hate social media in general

[soft bloom]

for professional opinions

[night girder]

The oother half are delusional CEO's writing blog posts about us how to "git guud".

[sharp matrix]

Thats useless garbage to

[soft bloom]

people paying to be able to send spam, I guess

[night girder]

"Eat an apple a day to stay smart. Don't forget to take a 5 minute break every hour. Stretch your legs..."

[sharp matrix]

Lol

[night girder]

Ugh. Sorry. Just thinking about it brings back a flood of bad memories.

I really hated it. And I didn't even have a choice. I had to have a LinkedIN from the company.

[twin dew]

Because for lot of uses, you need to pay for LinkedIn?
Including all those recruiters paying $900/month?

Ah, no, Lite is solo for 170, and that more expensive is per company?

[night girder]

I don't know. I never paid for it. Why the fuck would you. Like I said.
It's a pretty shit service IMO. Full off garbage.

It's not just connecting people looking for work with people offering work.
It's opinions, blog posts, political discussions, aggressive recruiters spamming you constantly etc etc.
And every company wants to be the best and most unique, so they force the people to write blogs.

[twin dew]

Point was that it isn't the people paying, but companies, recruiters etc.

The accounts responsible for that "spam"

[night girder]

Wasn't clear from the first setence. You, sounds like me.

Hehe. www.windowslatest.com/2026/03/31/microsoft-says-copilot-ad-in-github-pull-request-was-a-bug-not-an-advertisement/

And at the same time, Copilot went kinda rogue on PRs. So I wonder if that number is even true.

[sharp matrix]

Idk i disabled what i could of copilot in windows

[night girder]

This is about Github Copilot.

Which was also doing this;

So, it started to edit Pull Requests to insert ads. On a very large scale.

And microsoft said it was a bug

Further investigation revealed it wasn't an isolated glitch. A search across GitHub uncovered more than 11,000 pull requests containing nearly identical messages, apparently inserted by Copilot. Additional code searches found similar tips promoting other tools – again, all automatically added by the AI.

Tim Rogers, Copilot's principal product manager, later clarified that the tips were intended to help developers learn new ways to use the agent in their workflow. However, after seeing the backlash, he conceded that the feature had overstepped. "On reflection," Rogers wrote, letting Copilot make changes to pull requests written by humans "was the wrong judgment call."

No shit. 🤦‍♂️ And not informing those humans. And not giving control over the feature to those humans.

[sharp matrix]

The classic, oh we let the ai alter things again by itself, this is going to end well

[sharp matrix]

mashable.com/article/microsoft-tos-copilot-is-for-entertainment-purposes-only

it gets even better, copilot is just for fun

so nvm guys about everything happening, all of this is just for fun

www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-copilot/for-individuals/termsofuse

really you cant make this up its in the terms of use for copilot

"Copilot is for entertainment purposes only"

which is fine by me, im still not going to use it, but i find it hilarious that the entire copilot thing is just for fun

[jagged snow]

Hey y'all, looking into a simple solar setup
Aiming for 4kWh of capacity with 500w of panels. Generally figure I'll be able to recharge 1-2kWh per day and my average daily use should be quite low
I'll want to run a 12v dc bus and a part-time 1kW inverter

Any reccomendations on panels, charger/bms, batteries, or inverters?

I've got 2kWh of lead acid batteries(1.2kWh usable) currently, but I'll probably end up migrating to a lithium chemistry

[visual tree]

I am getting solar panels installed this or next month

6,37 kwh array, 14 panels that generate 455 wats

[jagged snow]

Nice
Yeah, this needs to be a semi-portable system

I'm supervising an engineering deployment in some fairly remote wilderness

So I need to be able to run my soldering iron and some other tools, a starlink mini, and some lighting off of solar as well as charging my laptop

And running other devices occasionally

But it needs to be a small and portable enough setup to fit in the back of my truck

[visual tree]

I am getting AIKO 450 W neostar 2s full black panels with huawei optimizers because of different orientation and chimney shading

[pure karma]

You could maybe get those foldable solar panels

[visual tree]

Hope my breaker box will have enough room for 3-phase smart power sensor....

[jagged snow]

Potentially
Rigid panels typically have higher effeciency and I'd rather have to move them around than loose out on the capacity

[pure karma]

Yea but you could spread them out on the floor or something and fold them to store them

Dunno if it would lead to more power being generated tho

[jagged snow]

I'll probably put the rigid panels on some waist height stands to at least get them angled

iirc for the time of the year and the latitude, 30 degrees is optimal

[twin dew]

And NASA tried to empty Orions toiled waste water storage for 14 hours, and got it to empty by 11 percentage points of full capacity...
Telling the astronauts to not urinate into it for now, and astronauts asked about some "Hail Mary" option.

"We would like to talk more about the hail mary option, but if this is the final answer, we can support this onboard."

[night girder]

Yeah... it's been from the first minute in space. Toilet problems.

Yesterday they couldn't do number 1/2 I believe. But one was allowed.

And then when they started to look at the moon, ground told they reached max limit of waste. So no toilet usage anymore.

Some scientist said during press conference;

"We tested it with water. And it all worked"
"But water with waste in it seems to behave differently in space"

[twin dew]

And at what temperature...

[night girder]

Whoever the scientist was who had toilet duty for preparation.

Majorly fucked up. And is probably feeling bad.

So they are using those Apollo bags True and tested technology. The bags.

Kinda funny, we can fly to the moon. But not with a working toilet 🤣

And then there is also these reports constantly of "a smell" made by the astronauts.

And they haven't found a coralation last I heard. Unless you heard an update on it.

[jagged snow]

To be fair, space toilets are hard

Shuttle and iss both had/have them but the space allocation was higher and mass constraints were more relaxed

[night girder]

Here is a snippet from Appollo:

“Give me a napkin, quick,” Stafford was recorded saying a few minutes before Cernan spots more: “Here’s another goddamn turd.”

[twin dew]

Yeah, but the stupid part is not testing the thing properly before the first actual flight...

[jagged snow]

But the failures that have happened with this one so far(tank freeze) seem like pretty simple bad/lazy design

[night girder]

Because the bags are not foolproof. So they were hunting down waste during Apollo 🤣

Space toilets are hard?

You tell that, while we watching a rocket fly to the moon.

Space travel IS hard.

[twin dew]

And the thing I have complained multiple times in past few days is that NASA skimped on actual testing, vs. simulations.

[soft bloom]

that's why there's a huge difference between doing something once, for fame.
and doing something repeatedly, consistently and reliably.
wouldn't say we are profitiend in space travel, with humans

[night girder]

I think, the toilet was on the bottom of their priorities.

They were so damn focused on the science part.

[jagged snow]

And/or ignored test results

And documented best practice

[night girder]

And focused on the moon science part. That they neglected the toilet. My hunch.

[jagged snow]

Thing is they didn't do a lot of super valuable moon science on this mission 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

“The fecal bag system was marginally functional and was described as very ‘distasteful’ by the crew,” an official NASA report from 2007 later revealed. “The bags provided no odor control in the small capsule and the odor was prominent.”

And the bag system isn't good.

[jagged snow]

Not compared to what's possible with a manned mission to the surface
This is essentially a glorified systems test

[night girder]

• First they forgot to put water in toilet. [Got fixed?]
• Then the lines got frozen. [Got fixed.]
• The valve got frozen. So no dump. [Fixed?]
• Now it's fully out of function?

[twin dew]

Hard to dump when the lines are frozen again.

[night girder]

It's not just one issues.

It's multiple issues with the toilet. How can you not put enough water in the toilet? before sending them off to space?

Christina spend a few hours troubleshooting that. Right after they got launched.

[twin dew]

Why would it get primed on ground before launch.
The stupid part was not being aware it needed to be primed, part of the insufficient testing or even documentation.

[night girder]

Because there was water in it?

[twin dew]

Not that it needed to be primed once in space.

[night girder]

Like you prime it. Or you don't. But not halfway. 0 sense.

And if you prime it halfway, it wouldn't be an issue, astronauts WOULD KNOW.

[twin dew]

Most likely they only tested it in specific orientation on ground, that self-primed via gravity.

[night girder]

So they fully prepared the toilet as they deemed fit.

And it turned out, it wasn't fit. Or someone forgot.

Or someone did a bad job. But it WAS NOT SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN.

There was water in the toilet and the pump. Just not enough to operate in space.

[night girder]

Because that's what they did. Why else would there be water in it already?

Then the toilet would be in space without water. And Christina knew to put water in it.

But the first thing that happened was this;

1. Christina was checking lifesupport equipment (right after launch).
2. She turned on the toilet.
3. It turned on, gave error code and shut off.
4. She then called ground to troubleshoot.
5. Ground told her to open the toilet and look at ventilation, becausee they though that was stuck.
6. They discover there wasn't enough water in pump system.

So even the fact that ground though it was a vent issue with the toilet, again, says they didn't think of the water because they though it was ok.

[pure karma]

Why does it have to be the toilet of all things 🤣

[night girder]

Because they tested everything else. And neglected the toilet science team.

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/dinosaur-dancing-nessie-cute-kawaii-gif-8245402692378507513

[night girder]

The toilet science team was probably on a buget of 50$ 🤣

[pure karma]

I bet they were partying

[soft bloom]

because there's still some sort of taboo on doing (proper) science that relates to hygiene stuff?

[twin dew]

Or we just got lucky with other stuff they didn't test properly.

[night girder]

They have one job. The toilet.

There is no shower. That's done with napkins.

[pure karma]

I cant wait for it to say cause of crash into earth: Feces

[night girder]

And for some reason they also need to shave in space 🤷‍♂️

So two jobs, Shaving and toilet 🤣

[twin dew]

Was there any issues with shaving except crew asking where the device was stored?

[night girder]

"The toilet fan is reported to be jammed," NASA spokesperson Gary Jordan said during live mission commentary. "Now the ground teams are coming up with instructions on how to get into the fan and clear that area to revive the toilet for the mission."
👆 Here they though it was fan.
Orion’s toilet was supposed to be “wetted” with water to prime the pump. Not enough water was introduced, so the pump was non-responsive. Once more water was added, it began functioning fine.
👆 real issue afaik.

[night girder]

Euh no. But I don't know what else there is to hygiene technology aboard the Orion.

I just read, that the toilet cost $30 Million but another source says $23M.

Oh and I forgot.

They think the toilet is also the cause of a smell.

[soft bloom]

F
10 days with napkins is
tough

[night girder]

They reported a similar smell early in the mission, and Mission Control suggested that it was **coming from the orange insulation **

[night girder]

Atleast they got to see the moon from closeby 🤣

[soft bloom]

I would imagine tiny hair flying around

[night girder]

"Hey kids? Want to see space? Can you spend 10 days without using a toilet? Then we got the job for you. Join NASA as a space astronaut!"

[night girder]

No no. I was thinking that too. But this is a special space shaver. Cream to hold hairs.

They can't risk to let tiny hairs float around.

I wonder if that bag in his hand, is like a vacuum cleaner bag. (same hand he is holding shaving machine).

or just the bag the thing was in.

For shaving, astronauts can use a standard razor, but it must be paired with a specially formulated shaving cream. This cream is designed so that hairs stick together rather than floating freely. After shaving, the astronaut wipes away the cream and hair with a towel, preventing loose particles from escaping into the cabin. Here's astronaut Chris Hadfield demonstrating how he shaves with a standard razor.

It seems to be a cream.

[soft bloom]

I would imagine vacuum with bag filter

[twin dew]

Also wonder if the toilet emptying lines designers forgot the fact that when you vent liquid in vacuum, some of it turns into gas and cools the rest by significant amount.
You get gas and solids, until those solid clumps sublimates into gas too over time.
Unless there is external heating from sun, earth or like.

[night girder]

I think the poo particles are blocking the lines 🤣

[twin dew]

Point was that there is significant additional cooling of those lines when they are being used in vacuum.

[night girder]

They know that I believe. They not idiots. Right?

[twin dew]

They should have taken it into account.
But speculating that they might not have for some reason.

Leading to those undersized line and vent heaters.

[night girder]

NASA promises us tranparancy. So hopefully we will know after the mission.

[twin dew]

That needed help from the Sun to clear the first time they got blocked.

[night girder]

I think the outside valve was frozen? Not the lines itself.

[twin dew]

But I'm off to bed ->

[night girder]

https://x.com/intel/status/2041501301318766866

Intel (@intel)

Intel is proud to join the Terafab project with @SpaceX, @xAI, and @Tesla to help refactor silicon fab technology.

Our ability to design, fabricate, and package ultra-high-performance chips at scale will help accelerate Terafab’s aim to produce 1 TW/year of compute to power

X · Apr 7, 2026, 1:00 PM

[noble hemlock]

Not a question or anything, just an interesting lil story

Spent the weekend at a robotics competition. The only competition legal circuit breaker is 120A. Found a team that got by inspection with a (admittedly very similar looking) 50A breaker, and was wondering why they kept tripping it in their matches. Seperately, a team came to me (I was running the spare parts table) asking for a breaker higher than 120A because they kept tripping their 120A breaker in matches. Had to go to their pit with a CSA (chief systems advisor) to figure out what was going wrong. Turns out, their drivers had a habit of driving straight into immovable walls, which normally wouldn’t trip your breaker because of hard coded current limits on your motors (usually 20A for the motors they had). They apparently had mistakenly removed the current limits on these motors and were drawing a combined 240A from their drive train alone when driving into walls💔

[jagged snow]

FRC eh?

Gotta love that sort of thing 😄

[noble hemlock]

Yessir

[pure karma]

i took robotics 3 times in midle school and never achieved anything in the end and i have no intent on doing any more

[noble hemlock]

I’m VERY lucky to have a really great program at my school

[jagged snow]

Gotta love it
That or the teams that show up with practically no code and they've got programmers from three other teams over there helping them do tank drive

[noble hemlock]

Lol always

Met a rookie team at our event whose mentor was super chill

[pure karma]

if i recall all i did sucessfulyl was light up a RGB strip

[jagged snow]

Nice, that's awesome
FRC was super big for me in high school and got me started on my career in a big way
I'd like to go back and mentor a team someday

[pure karma]

outside of that it was mostly wasting my time on no good 3D printers and and getting burned by the battery packs shorting themselves and superheating to 92371293971C

[noble hemlock]

They won rookie all star at their first comp but they were on first and second alliance at their two events so I think they could’ve qualified for DCMP off points

[jagged snow]

Nice!

[edgy hazel]

Printing Nylon right now on a self built one

[soft bloom]

Hope you got rich from achieving fusion at home

[soft bloom]

nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/07/artemis-ii-flight-day-7-crew-makes-long‑distance-call-begins-return/

[night girder]

just listened to the press conference again.

the toilet is not the issue. Neither is heating. They now think it's a chemical issue that blocks the filter inside the vents.

[soft bloom]

At least we are not at the stage when personal hygiene items are clogging up toilets in space

Would be so much easier if we had a way to just reassemble items of waste into something useful

All that shed skin cells back, exhaust co2, farts, cut hair... All that just remade into something new.
But that would require energy, right?
And where would we take energy from here on Earth and out there in space?

[night girder]

More solar arrays?

[dire igloo]

If you could gather a comparably large amount of hairs and skin cells, I imagine that would probably make for some decent human-based pykrete

[night girder]

Nice, RTC 1 complete. 15 seconds with 1.6 feet-per-second

No new pictures from NASA boo.

oh nvm.

They opened new gallery! www.nasa.gov/gallery/lunar-flyby/

Almost Sci-fi.

Not sure why it's green/blue 🤔 Maybe filter on DSLR.

[twin dew]

But this constant whine in the NASA stream audio is annoying when there is no other sounds coming.

[soft bloom]

I find some of the 'stars' looking real funny on these images

[languid gulch]

so what would be the smallest case you could comfortably stuff a 9800X3D/5090 into without it melting

[soft bloom]

made of ice

oh, wait, case will melt...

submerge into a running mountain river

[dire igloo]

Just don't use a case at all, open bench ezpz

[languid gulch]

don't tempt me

[dire igloo]

It's actually the best airflow setup you can have

[languid gulch]

yea but i also don't want to risk hardware like that

[dire igloo]

Risk how?

[languid gulch]

having expensive hardware just out in the open

[velvet jasper]

Will making ram out of fih be cheaper than buying ram?

[dire igloo]

And what's the issue with that?

[dire igloo]

fih?

[velvet jasper]

Fih🐟

[dire igloo]

Ah

idk

Didn't know it was possible tbh

[visual tree]

My worries are about dust and bugs crawling around

My home is a magnet for dust

[night girder]

I am glad I am not the only one. It's driving me crazy.

And if you mute, you miss some of the information. Because they randomly start talking.

Think they cranked up gain a lot. Or space radiation? 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

Bad settings on the streaming audio pickup.
The whole stream is way too quiet as total, and the various audio sources aren't anywhere near balanced for volume and so on.

[night girder]

Yeah, overall audio is quiet. But the high pitch. I don't know.

[twin dew]

Just generic analog audio input noise issue.

[night girder]

It's not the microphones now I think on it. Because you can hear it when there is no microphone activity.

it's only when there is a connection between us and Orion afaik.

[twin dew]

But basically they don't have anyone who can do audio in the team doing the streaming.

[languid gulch]

just sucks. my case is fine thermally, and looks good, but it's gigantic and is a pain in the ass to work in & keep clean

[twin dew]

Or person like that wasn't given rights to actually do the necessary work.

[night girder]

@twin dew

"The **toilet **remains operational," Artemis 2 Flight Director Rick Henfling said during a press conference on Tuesday afternoon.
"The challenge that we're working through is evacuating the tank," he added. "The vent is a lot less than we were expecting, and so we're having to fall back to some other alternate means, other than the toilet."
"The latest theory is related to some of the **chemistry **that goes into ensuring that the wastewater doesn't develop any biofilms," Henfling said. "And there may be something going on with a chemical reaction where there's some debris that's generated as part of that reaction, and it's getting clogged in a filter."

[languid gulch]

so all the stuff trying to make it safe is fighting the pressure needed to flush it properly

[twin dew]

So again not enough testing if true.
But why would they even have a filter on that output...
They are venting waste into space...

[night girder]

But they also said; we won't know for sure untill they land and we can investigate.

Maybe they are testing to recycle some of the water out of waste? 😛

And only dump bio waste that is useless?

[languid gulch]

i mean, a big part of the mission was giving the new toilet design a test run. rather have these issues now than putting it down on the moon and expecting it to function for years

[night girder]

But they clarify. It's not the toilet 🤣

Damage control.

[twin dew]

I would call that waste tank emptying system part of the toilet system.
With the actual toilet and the waste tank.

[languid gulch]

ngl i'd call the tank controls part of the toilet

[night girder]

Yeah, me too. But PR doesn't like that.

[visual tree]

This is the part where you find out from what the drinking water on space ships is made from

[night girder]

They are really trying to frame it differently.

[languid gulch]

on earth i'd call it part of the sewage system, but when it's completely contained like that, yea, toilet

[night girder]

The mission team had hypothesized that ice may be blocking the vent nozzle on Orion's exterior, Henfling explained. But that doesn't seem to be the case; the problem persists, even after heaters were engaged and Orion was tilted toward the sun to "bake away" the proposed ice.

Ah, and it was not the ice. According to them.

[twin dew]

As hypothesis, based on that it didn't get better with sun heating.

[night girder]

it's all hypothesis it seems 🤣

[languid gulch]

hopefully enough of it's left after reentry to figure it out

[night girder]

?

I think so. Since they can't vent it out. So it's not going anywhere 🤣

[twin dew]

That the re-entry heat doesn't burn stuff in the vent lines.

[night girder]

All the pee and poo is comming back to earth it seems.

[twin dew]

Or otherwise alter whatever is there.

[night girder]

And if the filter is clogged. It will remain clogged?

Anyway, have to step out for a bit. 👋

[twin dew]

And whatever issues they have with propulsion system, that is behind those valve opening being inhibited issues being talked.

[visual tree]

I had full-tower PC case before and it was a nightmare. Switched to standard PC case (mid-tower) without space for optical drive and I love it

And If I need to read a disc for some reason, I have an external DVD reader (which collects dust 90% of the time)

I remember when there was something wrong with my PC some time ago and brought that gigantic computer case to the PC repair center

The employee was like "Ok, can you give us the computer?"

*me pulls out the behemoth from the car

I think it was this model:

[dire igloo]

What's your current case?

[sharp matrix]

Nice case, overall i like it

[visual tree]

It was really heavy though 😅

Not sure it's being sold anymore, it's a very old model

[sharp matrix]

Sad thing about modern cases, most arent as cool as what came before

Dell for example used to make decent cases back in the day, over time the cases became garbage though

More examples of shitification

[visual tree]

Long gone are the days when electronics/products would last 30 years

Still have a radioshack multimeter which is 40 years old (maybe I am wrong) and still works perfectly

[twin dew]

And now something doesn't add up...
If the OTC-3 was 19 seconds and provided 11.4 feet/second delta-V change, then how could this ITC-1 be 15 seconds and only provide only 1.6 feet/second change...
Is NASA only including the direct along trajectory change in the number this time?

If that actual velocity change is right, it would produce about 35km change for entry point to earths atmosphere based on someone elses calculations.

[pure karma]

Its just the usual simplification of stuff to make it easier to manufacture

[pure karma]

In other news the ladybug invasions have begun so remember to kill them before they reproduce in your house

[visual tree]

I am more worried about fruit flies in fall when it's their season

Won't forget the trauma 10 years ago when there was an infestation in the house and there were like thousands of fruit flies in the house

[jagged snow]

Oh goodness, that sounds like a nightmare

[visual tree]

It was. I was walking around with a vacuum cleaner because I didn't know the source of infestation 🤣

Took a week to get rid of them

Good thing we don't have wooden homes here because they are more prone to bug damage

[waxen pendant]

They love cats poop lol

[pure karma]

Iv been seeing those all over recently

there not just here in fall lol

[visual tree]

Good thing I don't have a cat anymore

Had one long time ago and it was strangled to death by a vicious german shepherd....

But I don't blame the dog. It was the crazy owner and the dog was simply projecting it's owner behaviour

[visual tree]

Here, during hot weather, I get annoyed when I walk down the street and there is a swarm of midges flying around at a specific spot

Sometimes it's hard to avoid them which gives you that uncomfortable mental image they got stock in your hair and you have the urge to immediately take the shower

[dire igloo]

Actual ladybugs or their invasive Chinese relative?

[pure karma]

idk the more orange ones

[dire igloo]

Those are the invasive ones

[night girder]

arent' they suppose to be luck bringers?

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIu8TToPY3A

[dire igloo]

The non-invasive ones, yeah

[pure karma]

The anticipation of having to wait for stock mannnnn

Feels so good tho so far

Linears were the move

[waxen pendant]

fuck ya

[pure karma]

sound aside personally i dont think going mechanical especially at this pricetag is worth it

to me this is like maybe a 20% improvement if i ignore the spacebar cause that was a stabilizer issue from wear not so much a membrane issue so spending what is probably going to be close to 10X more money on such a little improvement is definitely not worth it but just getting to experience it even if its only once is what im going for not whether its cost effective or not

[night girder]

slowly building up keyboard key by key? 😄

[pure karma]

yea i got another 18 pack on the way and now im eyeing out stock

cant find any anywhere lol 😂

there was enough originally when i bought the first pack but not knowing what i was really doing much i wanted to order just one to test first and now there isent any stock

[night girder]

That's unlucky.

[pure karma]

took like 2 weeks to ship so that was most the problem really

[jagged snow]

Great read
www.wheresyoured.at/ai-is-really-weird/

[night girder]

weird url 😛 but legit

Probably the weirdest thing about this entire era is how nobody wants to talk about the fact that AI isn’t actually doing very much, and that AI agents are just chatbots plugged into an API.

This 🤣

[pure karma]

yea the Ai help agent popups are definitely not making anything better and easier for anyone

[sharp matrix]

Ai agents dont have great track record, such as deleting entire hard drives, etc

[night girder]

Mostly the statement about chatbots plugged into an API 🤣

[sharp matrix]

Who would have guessed dumb tech does dumb stuff

[night girder]

www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/908119/suno-sony-universal-music-ai-disagreement

Read about this a few days ago.

Universal wants AI-generated tracks to stay inside apps such as Suno and not spread freely across the internet. Suno, however, wants users to be able to share and distribute those songs more widely,

[sharp matrix]

Did you see how copilot is just for fun

Yes microsoft pushed hard for something that turns out was just for fun all along

[night girder]

Yeah 😄

[pure karma]

realistically just preperation for the legal shit show this will end up bringing upon them

[night girder]

I was thinking the same tbh. I though it was to bypass laws or some legal stuff.

[pure karma]

nearly nothing about mainstream ai is legal

[sharp matrix]

Dont worry its all just for fun

[pure karma]

the only ai i use is search sumaries which take away the revenue of the sources and therefore wont be sustainable and therefore wont exist since it wont have any info to pick from sooner or later

[night girder]

sometimes I use it as a secondary search engine tbh 🤣

think last thing I asked a AI was "old german punk band that sings in spanish"

it gave me the song I was looking for, in a list.

[pure karma]

last thing i asked was to change the color of my PFP since i dident want to remake all the colored versions i lost long ago lol

[sharp matrix]

True i just find it funny they pushed this ai stuff hard and its just for fun

[pure karma]

if you tought AI was gonna be anything more than the metaverse you were just delusional

a abandoned waste of money

atleast ai will have some use in private sectors for mass data sortage and stuff but not in public hands

[sharp matrix]

Meta wasted 80 billion on that, only to shut it down

I find those numbers amazing, all that money and nothing of any actual value to show for it

I guess the meta fever dream is over and mark is busy chasing after new toys now, the cycle continues

www.pcmag.com/opinions/the-70-billion-delusion-why-zuckerbergs-metaverse-was-dead-on-arrival

And there it is

Over 70 billion spent, now shut down and the company renamed itself for nothing

[snow plaza]

I have exactly one use that an AI would be great for

i have almost 200 hours of gameplay footage; having an AI comb through it and tag things would be amazing

but nah, AI is used to create terrible slop. Gotta convince someone to take a position as an unpaid intern for what I need

[sharp matrix]

Or convince nvidia to make something better than a instagram filter

Kind of sad its a 4 trillion dollar company and a filter is the best it can come up with to utilize ai

[snow plaza]

yep

[winged palm]

I just started playing again and are the things I'm seeing in screenshots needed to finish the game?????

If so I am so afraid

[sharp matrix]

Like what?

I mean screenshots is usually just a showcase of what people are making apu

[winged palm]

The huge factories they got

[sharp matrix]

The factory most grow😃

[snow plaza]

One thing that helped me is not thinking of the factory as a whole

but rather smaller modules to the whole

[winged palm]

Are tractors worth using

[winged palm]

Do you build individual factories at places

[snow plaza]

I love the implication that I play the game /j

[winged palm]

I play every once and a while

[snow plaza]

jokes aside, yeah. my last major save had indvidual factories specializing in 1 or 2 things

all connected via train

[winged palm]

I'm worried about how the train function will work with me I think i got too much spaghetti

[snow plaza]

method i used was something along the lines of "okay, I'm producing 60 of this thing per minute. I need 100 per minute to keep up with demand so I'll target 200" or something like that

then the trains meant I didn't have to worry too much about interconnection of factories, just set up statins and routes and make sure they're enough

[winged palm]

I'm only at the very beginning of computer chips and oil production does it get worse

[snow plaza]

Not really? things just get more complex production chains

at the beginning you've got two steps for your basics (ore -> ingot -> useable material, such as iron rods)

later on it jumps up to be higher number of stages but if you plan your logistics right you don't need to worry too much about it

[winged palm]

How high does it go in the end

[snow plaza]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i never beat the game. furthest i got was nuclear power

[sharp matrix]

Well i dont want to go spoilers here but i have beaten the game

[snow plaza]

but with how tractors were changed in the recent update they'd fully be able to replace my use of trains (if i could wrap my head around them)

[winged palm]

Is beating the game normal or a rarity

[sharp matrix]

Depends how motivated you are really

[snow plaza]

tough question; i didn't beat it because when I was on my Satisfactory kick the end didn't even exist yet

[sharp matrix]

Same

[snow plaza]

it was, uh, right before the time that changed the north side of the map

[sharp matrix]

I remember all of that to

Rip willow trees

[snow plaza]

i had adequate warning that the changes were being made, not the motivation to account for them

so those tracks are currently underground lol

[sharp matrix]

Let me guess northern forest

[snow plaza]

idk if that save even works still

no very far north shore

[sharp matrix]

Ahh spiral coast

[snow plaza]

yeah that one

[sharp matrix]

Both those areas had major rework

[snow plaza]

my main line ran around the outside of the map

for some reason i'm just not allowed to exist in the center of the map (or at least wasn't, dunno if it's improved)

I'd get really bad frame hitches

but yeah, around phase 4 IMO it's best to stop thinking of things as whole factories and more just parts to a whole.

[sharp matrix]

Very much so, thats how i build now still

[snow plaza]

anyway back to the original topic of this channel

AMD > literally everything

wonder if that joke still exists here

[pure karma]

yea megafactory mentality really help in endgame

[twin dew]

Also explained to me WTF Jensen meant when he was saying that all their programmers are expected to use as many tokens as their salary is...

In one interview.

At least as many, and anyone NOT using enough would be seen as slacking or like IIRC.

And someone try to convert that into "driver programmers aren't using LLM code assistance at Nvidia".
When it was explicitly about everyone being expected.

And higher paid the programmer is, more they are expected to use LLMs...

Also correction, tokens to worth of their salary.

[languid gulch]

when it's public comments like that by a CEO, my default assumption is that it's solely words written and approved by their legal team

i tried to watch the last couple of Jensen things at different conferences, and all of it just sounds like the legal and marketing departments spewing bullshit out of his mouth

steve ballmer was kind of a loose cannon on stage, but he definitely didn't have that overly scripted "i've seen more interesting tax law text" feel

[languid gulch]

need a bit of assistance here, lemme know if this would be an improvement over just flipping the top & bottom fans to making it a downdraft

current airflow pattern:

maybe:

[twin dew]

Or try what just flipping that back fan to output would do.

[languid gulch]

basically nothing except hotter VRMs

it came as exhaust, and flipping that one def helped

i'm mainly thinking about maintenance with this move, because cleaning the bottom filter gets annoying, and i'm yet to pull the top fans and radiator & deep clean them because of where it's at

[wanton orchid]

do you have enough space for radiator + fans ?

[languid gulch]

i feel like moving the rad to the side would make it easier, since the side fans are on a removeable panel thingy that i could attach the rad & fans to and just pull it out of that side of the case

top of the case is solid, no brackets

[languid gulch]

yup

[wanton orchid]

I'm a bit confused about side vs front fan arrows

you would exhaust front ?

[languid gulch]

straight down

top & rear intake

side & bottom exhaust

[wanton orchid]

oh you don't have any front vent ?

[languid gulch]

correct, full fish tank

[wanton orchid]

radiator currently on top, sorry didn't get it first sigh

[languid gulch]

i'd hope it'd be easier to clean long term with my proposed changes

the top of the case is the filter

dumb design

[wanton orchid]

you don't have side filter ?

[languid gulch]

side yes, but it's the entire side panel too

[wanton orchid]

for cleaning 1st priority is clean radiator

[languid gulch]

well, side is ventilated plus filter, which i've removed since it's exhaust

[wanton orchid]

you can put radiator side in pull configuration if it have easy cleaning access side filter

[languid gulch]

oh no, it's fucking stupid as GN pointed out

the entire side panel is vent plus filter

[wanton orchid]

So ?

[languid gulch]

unremoveable fine grade filter

i literally ripped it out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIu8TToPY3A

[wanton orchid]

So it's unaccessible

[languid gulch]

check out 40s in

for the dumb side panel

[wanton orchid]

it's an ai copy of hyte or wtf

corsair bruh

[languid gulch]

if i had had a choice in picking it, i wouldn't have gone with this case

[wanton orchid]

I mean it wasn't against you
high quality marketed product shouldn't have unadvertised huge drawback or issues

[languid gulch]

yea, it's like it was intentionally designed to be a pain in the ass

[wanton orchid]

you basically pay for the "you know what you are doing with this"
if they don't fucking know shit it's misleading

[languid gulch]

it looks so pretty, and then you actually have to deal with it

i may or may not have over a dozen pc case tabs open atm

[wanton orchid]

without the plastic filter the outside structure already act as a dust catcher ?

[languid gulch]

basically

it's ventilated, but in that "not good enough to be a filter, just enough to collect dust & look ugly" way

but at least i can just pop it off and brush it off

[wanton orchid]

the reason for using pull configuration in this situation
is
: the dust accumulate at the easily accessible side of the radiator for cleaning
: the intake is not directed by fan, it is more omnidirectional and homogeneous, which allow air to more slowly go through whatever catches dust

[languid gulch]

ah, that could work

[wanton orchid]

: the air is always fresh, less long time / short time running fan curve shifting

overall lower fan speeds

[languid gulch]

plus i could probably just cut out a section of that stupid side panel filter i ripped out and just glue it to that stupid plastic bracket thing

that way it is filtered

[wanton orchid]

it would not work well

[languid gulch]

true, not with the side blowby from the rest of the panel

[wanton orchid]

I mean if the air gap between side panel and radiator is thin it would have impact
but air would come from around the part with filter on

[languid gulch]

you can see why i'm just looking at replacing the whole damn case 🤣

[wanton orchid]

radiator fans then contribute to case pressure
you can move the rear fan as top exhaust on top of ram (rear is more naturally cooled, and you want to catch that radiator side input flow around the ram and out of case short)

it then improve ram cooling

now you have lot of bottom fans
you can decide what to do with it
but intake makes sense, especially below the graphic card through fan

tldr: you have a lot of fans, you have options

[languid gulch]

all of it makes sense, i just hate how much of a pain it is to maintain, and the top exhaust is filtered for no reason

[wanton orchid]

bottom is not ?

[languid gulch]

it is, but also i just hate that it sucks up all the dust from the desktop

[wanton orchid]

your hot pc will attract dust whatever you do though

[languid gulch]

if i did downdraft i could have no filter on the bottom at all, have the top panel/filter be in place as an actual panel and filter

[wanton orchid]

I never experienced down airflow tbh
though I think it's compatible with the side radiator pull intake

especially since you have enough fan for no hole basically

the main drawback of downward exhaust is hot air will likely loopback a little bit outside the case

[languid gulch]

it's near a ground-level A/C return duct, so that wouldn't be too much of an issue

maybe i should just make a table for it, tip it on its back, and exhaust straight into that 🤣

[wanton orchid]

hope I at least gave you ideas
note : side radiator pull config is tested and successfull

[languid gulch]

good to know 🙂 thanks for the help

[wanton orchid]

* if your radiator/fans can be mounted in pull config

[languid gulch]

i've got extras

for both directions

[delicate flame]

I made something like this before but i upgraded it and it is really powerful

It used to be half as big

[proud blaze]

OMG he has a bomb! (Dont take it serious its just a joke )

[snow plaza]

this was a running joke in my IT class for anyone that used a specific CPU cooler

some old style copper thing made by Zalman that straight up looked like it could've been part of a bomb

something like this

[oblique hamlet]

it could start a fire if it failed and the cpu didn’t stop itself

[languid gulch]

and if you live in a humid area those fins will eventually turn into a lovely Statue of Liberty green

[pure karma]

surprisingly iv never seen a heatsink oxydise

[wanton orchid]

most are aluminum based

aluminum oxyde is auto protective, thin, and colored close to aluminum itself

it basically loses its shinyness

[delicate flame]

It might as well be

If i run it to much it makes noises

Scary noises

[cyan crescent]

Whats a good motherboard for a nas that can handle 24/7 operation? My current one keeps dropping network connection after a few day or in heavy usage or combination of the 2.

[slow flint]

Yet someone a computer a worked on once was so grotty the aluminium heatsink had green on it

[slow flint]

That's probably the network adaptor in it
Most likely a Realtek chip which can be hit or miss on Linux or FreeBSD
Could try adding a PCIe Intel based NIC

[cyan crescent]

You directly called out the controller. It is realtek

Its an msi mpg b650i edge wifi right now with a 7600x. The only pcie slot is being used by a sata adapter card.

[slow flint]

Damn only 1 slot? Is this an ITX board?

[cyan crescent]

Yep

[slow flint]

That makes sense

[cyan crescent]

Size is a consideration as its being taken on a ship so hence the itx board

[slow flint]

Most mobos to my knowledge have realtek controllers because they're cheap and work fine on windows

[slow flint]

I'm guessing you need WiFi then?

[cyan crescent]

No. Wifi is not something i need on the nas

[languid gulch]

weird shit does exist

[slow flint]

Is this a Threadripper ITX board???

[cyan crescent]

Im thinking i might need to get either intel or get a server board to handle the 24/7 heavy load

[languid gulch]

TR mATX

[slow flint]

Crazy

[slow flint]

Most modernish mobos will be able to handle the load fine
I have an 8 drive Nas running off of a 9th gen Intel CPU and some motherboard that wouldn't of been that expensive at the time

[cyan crescent]

The network controller is what im concerned about.

[languid gulch]

asus makes a Strix EPYC ITX

[cyan crescent]

I run my current one under heavy load for a few hours then it just quits and needs a reboot. Thats not something i want to do every couple hours when im on the ship

I kinda thought about getting a core ultra 5 245k

[pure karma]

yea shit right since on ITX you cant really rock a card

[languid gulch]

would need a case that could handle a daughter board to split the x16