off-topic-tech

[edgy hazel]

I use arch btw

[pure karma]

funny storry i tried arch it went about as poorly as expected

[snow plaza]

i went through the installation

then got caught in the trap any "new" linux user does

absolute hostility

[pure karma]

yea so did i but my dummy moment was installing terminal only arch

that and i dident have ethernet at the time and was too dumb for the wifi documentation so it was just a bricked OS basically without internet

[oblique hamlet]

me too btw

[sharp matrix]

Probably, we are wrong about beginning of the universe

We finally saw what the early universe looked like, complete with massive black holes and fully formed galaxies already present

So its safe to say most of our assumptions of the universe are basically wrong

Science is cool and continues to show how little we actually understand

[sharp matrix]

This is all clearly the matrix, it explains everything

https://tenor.com/view/the-matrix-has-you-gif-3336575470240207957

[twin dew]

No idea, same thing with other capsules in current use...
For some reason lot of stuff you would expect to be astronaut controlled is ground controlled and astronauts have to ask for changes.

[cold tide]

i dont get it, what is the point of making that statement?

it wholly depends on the load youre putting on it

you play counter strike a 1080p low its gonna be faster. You play the last of us part 2 on 4k ultra, it likely wont matter

[warm sun]

Wait is artemis launching off the earths orbit to the moon today?

[twin dew]

TLI was already performed.

[warm sun]

oh wait its already of to the moon

[night girder]

Also, some of the troubleshooting information is pretty interesting.

The communication they lost on ground was due to a bug. The communication controller was configured for nominal band Orion telemetry. During launch they put in the emergency com configuration. Then they swap back to the nominal configuration, it was confirmed on their screen it was successfull. But in reality, it was a bug. Because when theu went into command itself, it was still configured for emergency communicaiton.

And the toilet issue, was because the pump did not have enough water in it, to successful operate. So the toilet was shutting itself of, due to lock of water in the pump system. You would think they checked this but ... now they know.

But after the TLI, and then the D2 interview I went to bed.

[twin dew]

More likely the pump wasn't able to self-prime, so it was just moving air inside itself without pulling the liquid in, until the piping to it was filled manually with that water input.

And it was intentionally left dry until on orbit.

But like that software, wasn't properly tested on the ground...

As why would NASA do that?
They just design and simulate the best thing ever, why waste money in actually testing it?

Forgetting that you need to validate your simulation models with real life testing.

Spot checking the simulations with real life tests.

[night girder]

Not sure about that. They said "and now we know the prep the toilet" 🤣

was first time they use this type of toilet I believe?

[twin dew]

Basic pump thing, some can self-prime, some cannot.
And what they did to resolve the issue points to pump that cannot self-prime.
On the ground they probably only tested it in orientations where the liquid was pulled into pump by gravity.

[twin dew]

Yes.
But point is, you can test most of that stuff on the ground, by doing tests in different orientations.

[night girder]

Or, that the astranauts were trained in prepping the toilet. And they did it all correct.
But that in space, the toilet needs more water than on earth to operate.

[twin dew]

Not fully, but the whole Artemis program has been very test poor.

[night girder]

It's a test flight for a reason

[twin dew]

It's more like validation flight than test flight.
And NASA keeps failing that validation, then going into saying this is why we test, when the internal expectations were something completely different.
Same as with all the Starliner flights.

[night girder]

Also, this was DATA when TLI happens. The grey dot you see in the blue trajectory, ALL the way the to right, is what they said the actual point of TLI would be.

122 miles from earth at 24000MPH closest they got

[twin dew]

Or with all the hydrogen leak issues with Artemis I and II, they didn't even try to do actual fix after Artemis I.
They just raised the max allowed leak limit...
And still failed multiple times with those Artemis II wet dress rehersals with the quadrupled limit.
Now they seem to finally be actually doing some redesign to that filling interface before Artemis III...

[night girder]

They said Artemis II leak was under 1%, and the connection was a major improvement.

[twin dew]

In the actual launch.
The WDRs were major shitshows.

[night girder]

And if I heard the laddy correctly, they were aiming for 16%. Or they could operate within that error margin.

But all I am saying, I just picked up from the interviews after the day.

[twin dew]

And it is not about the rate as such, but how much hydrogen they allow in specific space as percentage of air volume.
Where 4%+ is generally considered explosive.

And 4% was the old limit, and they raised that to 16%.

[night girder]

and not sure about the numbers. All I know is they said that the hydrogen leak was "solved" or within expectations and not like artemis I.

And that the blast platform didn't get totally wrecked.

[twin dew]

They had to return the whole thing back during those WDR tests twice, to get it working for the launch.
The major cause for these last few months delays.

So they didn't do shit between Artemis I and II, but had to solve it at least partially during the Artemis II WDRs.

Well, they did tests during the interim to determine they couldn't get 16% hydrogen concentration in whatever other gas mix it was in (nitrogen purge, so mostly nitrogen) to burn, so they upped that safety limit that was kept same as during Shuttle for SLS.

[sharp matrix]

Well

[twin dew]

Development test flight = Testing to see what actually happens, problems expected = SLS has had none, and planned to have none. All SpaceX Starship/Superheavy flights to date.
Validation test flight = Testing to validate that everything works as expected, problems not expected = All SLS and Starliner etc. old space "test" flights

[twin dew]

And every time they fuck up the validation flights, because they didn't do any actual development flights, and did incomplete ground testing with actual hardware in the loop, with just simulations or partial systems, they then start to talk about that "This is why we test", when they hadn't tested and are caught pants down.

[soft bloom]

Where are the photos?

From Artemis

Weren't they supposed to have shitton if gopros?

[night girder]

euhm. They had issues with gopros.

Something about the gopros not switching to 360, and the astronauts needing to manual set it to 360 after boot up.

ground thinks it might be rad hit.

You can see the gopros in this picture here and there.

[twin dew]

Limited bandwidth, so most of the material will not be live-transferred, only saved.

[cold tide]

yeah expecting some cool footage if they manage to actually be succesful in returning the craft

[night girder]

but they also have iphones, old DSLR etc.

[cold tide]

lets just hope they dont smash into elons tesla floating about

[twin dew]

The only real unknown at this point should be the non-fixed heatshields performance with the altered re-entry profile.

And that Tesla isn't anywhere near earth-moon system at this point.

The next close approach to Earth will be in the year 2047 at a distance of 5 million kilometers, about 13 times the distance between Earth and the Moon.

[night girder]

And we also got this picture.

Taken during the proximity operations demonstration.

[cold tide]

never underestimate autism

[night girder]

Yesterday they also had issues with the middle monitor. Which rebooted. Happened after TLI.

[night girder]

Also something I was wondering yesterday.

One the first day, they made it clear they don't want a too high workload on the crew. They already have enough to do.
The second day, after the valve issues they had. They said to the crew, to start filling bags with water as a procession, just incase the valve should fail again. (And there is two valves even).
But they think the valve wont fail, because they trust in their backups. But they still ordered the crew to fill water bags, making them mis their workout and mess up their schedule.

So I was reasoning, on the one hand your confident in the backup systems and that the valve was an anamoly. But on the otherhand, not confident enough to not take extra steps.

[twin dew]

PR spokesperson lying vs. engineers.

Like usual with NASA stuff when things don't go exactly right.

[night girder]

Yeah, I smell bullshit.

"Even if the valve fails again, the whole system in interconnected and it has a second valve..." but just incase. Fillt hose bags for an hour.

I think they got about 7-8L into bags. And it took two people for 30 minutes. Then one of the astronauts started to work out and the other one kept filling for in total an hour or so?

I mean, better safe than sorry I get that. But then don't act so confident in the system 🤣

we-are-not-admitting-we-made-a-mistake....

[twin dew]

Same as with any other NASA anomaly in last 10 years, NASA PR sugarcoats, and then the truth comes out via GAO or like year later.

[night girder]

but we are preparing incase we did make a mistake, which we didn't.

It got confirmed by the engineer itself.

[twin dew]

Yeah, but when the higher ups tell you to say something specific, you say that or you are out.

[soft bloom]

remember the time of live broadcast with tesla?..
enshitification eve nin space

[night girder]

This dude.

[twin dew]

That was the near earth network and/or SpaceX:s own relays.
Orion is now on the solar system covering ground receiver thing.
They probably have single smaller antenna tracking at all times.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_Deep_Space_Network

That thing is meant for long distance stuff, and probably doesn't support that much higher bandwidth to Moon as to Mars.

[night girder]

Howard Hu currently serves as the NASA Orion program manager at the agency’s Johnson Space Center in Houston. He leads the design, development, production, and operations of Orion, NASA’s next-generation human exploration spacecraft for the Artemis missions to the Moon.

not engineer, but program manager. but still, one of the more technical people in the interview room when it comes to orion itself.

[cold tide]

also shooting an object into space is a little less demanding in terms of telemetry compared to a manned flight

[twin dew]

And they guy with most to hide and protect his own ass when stuff goes wrong.

[night girder]

What you mean?

Nothing went wrong. It's all part of the test.

[twin dew]

Yeah, and they only had one video stream, which was automatically being switched between multiple cameras on the sending side.

[night girder]

Everything is as expected. Like the Orion moving back and forth like it was humping, but in reality one of the astronauts was working out.

[twin dew]

Which Orion too seems to have lot of the time.

[night girder]

It was so expected that the astronauts called to ground to check "Euh, is the spacecraft moving or we crazy?"

"Nah, it's moving. As expected. Related to the work out."

Me thinking; "If it was expected, they would have trained/told them that on the ground... then why call to earth to double check?" 🤣

[twin dew]

Equal and opposite reaction and all that.

[night girder]

maybe it's a double-check thing they always do to make sure they are on the same level. That space crew and ground crew are in sync.

But just if it's expected. Why call to earth?

[twin dew]

Might be that the astronauts weren't told it would be expected, as everyone in the know expected it to be expected.

[night girder]

But the astronauts were trained setting up the work out equipment, since it's a new concept.
They also trained on the equipment (on earth) so they can compare it to space etc.

[twin dew]

Yes?
And that doesn't happen on earth when using it.
Unless you tried to do it in a plane or like.

[night girder]

AND they retracted the solar panels.

[soft bloom]

I mean, we are supposed to have better technologies every now and then. one could expect, at least

[night girder]

and put them in park mode.

because they knew the work out would put force on the spacecraft.

and they didn't want to damage the solar panels.

These astronauts are prepared for every situation.

No fucking way nobody told them, the spacecraft would move when working out.

[twin dew]

And like I said, that DSN is optimized for distances where they cannot use higher rates anyways, so why update the HW on earthside to support them?
The transceivers are top notch, but optimized for much longer distances.

Where SNR limits the bits transferred per time unit.

Also US congress is very stringy in giving money to "useless" stuff like that DSN.

It works, why spend money?

[soft bloom]

we are supposed to establish permanent presense on the moon, right?

[twin dew]

There are a number of limitations to the current DSN, and a number of challenges going forward. Most of these are outlined in a 2023 Audit of NASA's Deep Space Network performed by NASA's Office of Inspector General.[42] Their main conclusions are:

• NASA's DSN is oversubscribed, leading to mission impacts and scheduling challenges
• Capacity limitations leading to mission impacts are expected to increase with the onset of crewed Artemis missions
• Capacity limitations, lack of readily available backups, and laborious process present challenges to scheduling time on DSN
• Upgrades to NASA's Deep Space Network are behind schedule and more costly than planned

[soft bloom]

so are they planning to ocnitnue using low bandwidth net optimized for much longer distances there?

[night girder]

They switching back and forth from networks.

[twin dew]

Which was just changed to.

[night girder]

Part they are DSN, but they switched a few times.

[twin dew]

They were on the near-earth satellite links for start, then switched to DSN, and now need to switch between DSN stations multiple times a day.

As part of earth visible to Orion changes.

[twin dew]

And this is being worked on, but hasn't started building: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Exploration_Ground_Sites

[night girder]

It's not all DSN (RED in image). Parts are NSN (GREEN in image) .

And day 6 blackout ofc.

Also todays schedule:

they would believe us. Since they are scientist and understand that the moon blocks communication.

[twin dew]

Need line of sight, and we don't have relay in moons orbit.

[night girder]

That does beg the question.

If they want to build a moonbase there ...

[twin dew]

But I'm late, need to run ->

But basic thing is that SLS and Orion are pork-barrel politics.
And lot of the actual NASA science stuff isn't and doesn't get much money because of that.

[night girder]

I know

[twin dew]

Including any actual use of SLS and Orion, the politicians don't care as long as the builders get their money.

[night girder]

but I only care about the science part of the mission.

[night girder]

It's sometimes funny, you dream of star trek and all the things.

But every step humanity takes to get closer to that goal, people are trolling it.

you cannot expect humanity to have warp drives, if we don't take little baby steps like this.

And there is a lot of science being done. It just happens on closed communication so we are not aware of it. Or the details aren't shared with us.

[sharp matrix]

The science of, "hey it at least made it around the rock"

But really science is being done, take james webb telescope, just not this that smells more like pr

And bad pr as things keep going wrong

[night girder]

They are monitoring so much on Orion atm, oxygen, CO2, humidity, temperature, bacteria, radiation, ...

[sharp matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhe4hJiumCA

if your interested in some actual real science being done, not this pr stuff thats happening with this lets circle the rock again for no really good reason because we can

james webb is actually interesting and some actual scientific insights

yeah, why this mission is basically pr....

they could have easily sent it unmanned to, but they didnt because it wouldnt have been the same pr boost

[night girder]

Right ... no scientific value

[sharp matrix]

compared to james webb telescope, very little.....

[night girder]

The whole mission is planned long before trump. The whole mission isn't a US only mission (even though NASA wants to portray it like that) etc.

[sharp matrix]

and james webb telescope doesnt require "lets spend more resources sending meatbags into space", granted it doesnt have the same pr boost

[night girder]

Like I said.

People want to go to Mars.

[sharp matrix]

but if your talking about scientific value, james webb is clearly far above...whatever this is

[night girder]

But when NASA takes baby steps towards that goal. People pissed "Not real science, waste of money, why go to the moon..." 😭

[sharp matrix]

im just going to call it the pr mission

[night girder]

Maybe we should just launch monkeys and dogs back into space nilly willy to Mars. Way better.

If you want to send humans to Mars.

It might be a freaking good idea, to send humans around the moon again to measure radiation and test systems.

If you want to build a base, on a side of a planet, we have no eyes, it's not that stupid to send some humans over to check it out first.

Instead of doing it blindly. That's just how science works.

[sharp matrix]

would that have the same pr boost though?

guess if you send musk and trump, the fanboys would surely get behind that

[night girder]

Meanwhile the engines used are EU made. So those engineers are getting valuable data on their engines/thrusters.

Thinking Artemis II has no scientific value and is pure a "PR stunt" is ignorant.

[sharp matrix]

all of that can be done without sending meatbags into space to though

[night girder]

Right

Measuring the effects of radiation on humans in space, without sending humans into space.

[sharp matrix]

well maybe no value, but approaching zero or like 1%

[night girder]

Measuring the effects on bonemarrow on astronauts, without sending astronauts into space.

[sharp matrix]

it can be like measured the limit as it approaches zero, but because there is some value, no matter how small it doesnt become absolute zero value, just a infinity small number

like i dont know 0.0000000001% value, or maybe smaller

there is some value, we just have to measure at the atomic scale to find it

now thats part of this test flight, find out if the meatbags survive or not

if not, the test wasnt successful

[sharp matrix]

but that already knew, at 1-1.5% per month, why extended flights in space atm arent a great idea

but atm we cant send people into months long voyage into space, so not a big problem atm, but in theory it would be in the future

thats also though why for like the iss, the crew does rotation, because of things like bonemarrow lose even in orbit

well we are a long long long long way from star trek

[night girder]

they sharing photos now on livestream 😊

[sharp matrix]

its actually pretty easy to be clinical of our current technology, i mean we can barely even go to our moon, and what sending probes to mars and thats it

[night girder]

Took screenshot from the video. Hopefull picture gets uploaded on nasa website.

[sharp matrix]

and we want to eventually send people to the mars, we are clearly a long ways from that, first step is easily being able to send people to moon for sure, but its clear, our technology is very lacking still

sure we'll get to the moon, our technology has gotten at least a little better in that aspect over the last 50 years, but still alot of progress is left to be made

[night girder]

I don't think, there was a livestream 50 years ago either.
I don't think, the public had access to dashboard and telemetry of Apollo either.

[soft bloom]

nice

[sharp matrix]

hmmm thats pretty cool, hope they like the trip around that rock

[night girder]

once I find better quality I will let you know KEKw. They said it suppose to be 4K ... but I have doubts 🤣

[soft bloom]

I was watching launch livestream, but they stopped it so I assumed no more live events. which is sad

[soft bloom]

4kilobites/s I guess

[night girder]

huh?

[sharp matrix]

hmmm thats true

[night girder]

Livestream never stopped. 24/7.

[soft bloom]

I want at least one shot with exposure sensitive enough to capture stars

[night girder]

Sometimes it's a bit quiet. But they only talk when they have information to share. And the crew is sleeping atm.

This shot? 😄

[soft bloom]

on Nasa's channel it did

[night girder]

Oh, nasa official YT channel has two livestreams.

Take the one with most views. The other one is most of the time a bluescreen.

https://www.youtube.com/live/m3kR2KK8TEs?cbrd=1

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Tf_UjBMIzNo?si=_90jUshivfJf_3Di

[soft bloom]

I see that's a different one

[soft bloom]

well 4 if we include ISS

[night girder]

Full size picture.

www.nasa.gov/image-detail/fd02_for-pao/

[pure karma]

peak message to wake up to

[night girder]

I want more images! But they do be sending down 5.9MB files... might take a while.

[soft bloom]

but you see auroras!

[sharp matrix]

I wonder how they'll keep up sending, transmission rate will become slower as it moves further from earth

[sharp matrix]

oh good eye, your right!

the flat earthers be watching this and already coming up with theories about all this all is fake

you know its happening...sadly

[soft bloom]

and I would guess that's dust from Africa moving west

[soft bloom]

hey, until I see selfie with someone and Earth at the same time... you never know 😉

[night girder]

The picture does proof that earth is flat.

[soft bloom]

same way I can prove that flatearthers are flat

[sharp matrix]

the earth eathers be looking at those pictures thinking this all is photo shopped and fake

[soft bloom]

also
how come it all illuminated so well?
given that hale on the bottom right, one would assume sun is somewhere there
but top left corner is very well illuminated too, with bright white cliuds

Africa is easily recognisable with sandy band next to water and green band

[sharp matrix]

flat earthers be like more proof this is fake

you know they are going to live in denial that the earth couldnt possible be anything besides flat

[night girder]

The most dissapointing to me, about the livestream, are the outside cameras. I dont' see any stars because of exposure settings of camera 🙁

So all you see it darkness, with a little bit of orion.

[sharp matrix]

its like watching the spacecraft go through a dark void though which is pretty cool

[night girder]

I want to see pretty stars 🙁

[sharp matrix]

only dark void for you

[night girder]

the only star I've seen.

was the sun 🤣

[soft bloom]

well, it looks good on forensics
that's already better then digital photos from Apollo archives

[night girder]

I wonder what they used to take picture.

probably the iphone

[sharp matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/live/m3kR2KK8TEs you watching this right

[night girder]

5568x3712px ... or gopro?

[sharp matrix]

all I see is the outside of the craft and the dark void beyond, how nice

[soft bloom]

would be nice to have angle that only captures parts of vessel that are in shadow, allowing for stars to be seen

[night girder]

The nikon is today also.

[soft bloom]

I think they specifically said they use gopros

[night girder]

They have 10 years old D5 DSLR camera with em.

[night girder]

No no no... they have multiple cameras.

The gopros are from National Geographic I believe. Because they won some contest and were allowed to make documentary blablabla

But other than that.

They have an old Nikon and iphones.

[soft bloom]

I had impression they have nikon onboard, and gopros outside

[sharp matrix]

the first apple products to leave the earth, how nice

[night girder]

www.photoworkout.com/artemis-ii-nikon-d5-moon/

[night girder]

Gopros also inside. They had issues yesterday.

If I heard it correctly, the go pro, when rebooted, resets it's mode.
So Astronauts have to put it manually in 360 mode everytime they turn it on.

And last I heard about it, is they suspect radiation might have made gopros go wonky

[sharp matrix]

thats going to be apples next product

[night girder]

but then again, they blame everything on that if they don't know for sure 🤣

Ah.

[Update: It runs out that a Nikon Z9 made it onto the Artemis II launch manifest after all. Read more here.]

[sharp matrix]

very likely

[night girder]

Then there are the GoPros. Under another Space Act Agreement announced in 2021, National Geographic is flying compact, lightweight audiovisual hardware inside Orion for a multi-platform documentary project.

[sharp matrix]

the gopros might have not been rated for space and the radiation present in it

[night girder]

a space act agreement from 2021 🤣

[sharp matrix]

time to pr boost gopros, nikon and apple products today

how many more commercial products are we pr boosting again?

[night girder]

well Gopros aren't a good PR boost. Since the issues.

[pure karma]

yea no Gopros arent reliable as a owner of them

they constantly brick and sometimes so badly you need to take out the battery to revive it

[night girder]

So dumb of national geographic.

[sharp matrix]

so it probably just naturally broke on its own during the mission

[night girder]

if they had an agreement 2021 years ago. I would have made costum gopros, would benefit company too.

[pure karma]

that and they need like 30GB of space per hour of 1080P30fps footage so there ass in therms of storage efficiency too

[sharp matrix]

thats pretty funny

[night girder]

you only need to manufactur a few new working concepts and send them up to space.

but they send a gopro elite or something.

[pure karma]

yea or overheated since they get smoldering hot

[night girder]

And I forgot the other model name.

[sharp matrix]

perfect

[night girder]

Ah the Hero 🤣

[pure karma]

like 50C exterior cassing kinda smoldering hot

since its 90% battery which as yall know batterys get hot as they drain

[night girder]

there must be better brands out there than gopro right?

[pure karma]

i mean theres stuff like insta 360

the only purpose gopros have is filming underwater prettymuch since thats all a mediocre smartphone that still outbeats them in each category cant do

[night girder]

underwater casing for DSLR isn't cheap, that's for sure.

This.

[pure karma]

like heres a still frame of 1080P footage on my hero 9

dosent really deserve any awards

[night girder]

Well it looks dark. SO that's already reducing quality.

[sharp matrix]

lol thats some serious camera casing

[night girder]

Yeah, it's for expensive cameras and when you go diving etc.

[pure karma]

that seems so unecesairy

[night girder]

I am not a fan of the blastic bag.

If you put 2-3K DSLR in it?

[night girder]

Well it isn't.

[sharp matrix]

well no im not putting a expensive dslr camera in that

[pure karma]

fine heres one in average daylight here

it just looks so grainy to me

almost like that effect on iphone pics but worst

[night girder]

Yeah, I also get iphone quality vibes.

[sharp matrix]

still better detail than the previous picture though

[pure karma]

yea but i cherry picked a bit since its haivng issues with compression for sure

[sharp matrix]

hmmm

[pure karma]

honestly to me the only anoying thing is they obviously dont have a zoom

camera noise

similar to what you would have in night shots but its in EVERYTHING if you zoom in

basically they just make it good enough to not notice on the little phone display and then call it quits in therms of quality

[sharp matrix]

it looks like a green mess of whatever this is

[pure karma]

my pc lol

[sharp matrix]

lol what

[pure karma]

heres the full image lol

[sharp matrix]

that was supposed to be your pc, i had no idea hahahaha

such a great quality pic

[pure karma]

there are tools to help with that effect but it basically just smears out the noise

[sharp matrix]

not any better

[night girder]

my iPhone did something weird last night. This picture, is taking during the night. Pitch black.

[pure karma]

mine loves the night for some reasson

[night girder]

and it clearly started to "add" colors

[sharp matrix]

what the looks like it was taken during the daytime

[night girder]

I know!

[pure karma]

I took this the night of the artemis launch

[sharp matrix]

this isnt night time

[night girder]

was taken around 1:53 AM!

[pure karma]

i did find the limit once of how dark is too dark for an iphone

[sharp matrix]

see this actually looks like a night time pic

not the above that might as well be day time

[pure karma]

yea and its acurate it was actually that bright out which is why i took it cause that shit was crazy

[night girder]

And that's just me leaving it all on "auto" etc.

Not that I asked it to make it look like that. Wanted to capture that star above the tree.

[sharp matrix]

well it kept the star in so you did capture it

but looks like a ufo because it looks like a day time photo

what if all ufo pictures are just phone cameras doing weird things

[pure karma]

that wouldent even surprise me

[soft bloom]

yay
they just confirmed trajectory to Moon
nvm I was wathcing 3 hours ago lol

[pure karma]

colecting B2 bombers is a interesting goal

[dire igloo]

I got so confused by all the white, then I remembered you're Canadian

[pure karma]

yea it started snowing again so its winter part 2 now

[dire igloo]

False spring such a dick move by nature

[twin dew]

Artemis Program was set by first Trump admin, with very optimistic timetable set to have moon landing near end of expected second consecutive Trump term.
As Obama admin had left NASA without real direction, by cancelling Constellation program, and then SLS got crammed down NASAs neck, with no planned target for use.

And as that original timetable had nothing to do with reality, but NASA still had to try to hold onto it.

Mike Pence was very interested in space and got the plan into record with Trump by that "Think of moon landing during your second term" trick.

[night girder]

On October 11, 2010, President Obama signed into law the NASA Authorization Act of 2010, which included requirements for the immediate development of the SLS rocket and the Orion spacecraft to support missions beyond low Earth orbit starting in 2016, while making use of the workforce, assets, and capabilities of the Space Shuttle program

[twin dew]

Yes, signed into Law.
Law that congress had set to keep money flowing to right companies.

With no target what to do with it.

[night girder]

I call bullshit.

[twin dew]

And then Trumps Space Directive 1 in 2017 set Artemis into motion.

[night girder]

Well, you need these laws so they can start building what they want legally.

it's straight from the history page of artemis 🤣

[twin dew]

Yes, but point was that SLS was congress thing, not Obama thing, even when Obama signed the law.
As laws are what Congress sets.

[night girder]

but sure, it's thanks to Trump

[jagged snow]

It's so funny seeing europeans debating about american politics 😄

[twin dew]

Artemis program is from Trump.
SLS isn't.

Well, is from Pence, via Trump.

[night girder]

Nah, we debating if Artemis is trumps baby (as baldur points out)

or that Artemis was set in motion way before that by different presidents as I think.

[jagged snow]

The branding & grandstanding is mostly a trump pr thing. The idea of going back to the moon isn't

[distant siren]

i am happy we're starting to focus on space again. best way to avoid extinction is to be multiplanetary. and yeah, he established a basic framework...one that wasnt really utilized during his tenure. so it gave the appearance of doing something while gaining retroactive credit for it when someone else actually put it to use. obama did that pretty frequently. im not attributing it to trump either. artemis was in the works for a long time

[night girder]

Like how we had obamatrumpcare? Just erasing history.

[jagged snow]

And the actual details of what is happening came from all over the place and from basically every person in politics or nasa within the last 20 years

[jagged snow]

Yea
The US does have the world's best propaganda, after all

[twin dew]

Point is, SLS existed, with absolutely no target.
With fighting between ISS shuttle, Moon, Mars, Near-earth asteroids etc.
And Pence made Trump direct NASA to go to the moon, with specific timetable to get there before end of 2024.

[sharp matrix]

humanity is going extinct no matter what, its over

[jagged snow]

Yes, you're correct that SLS has been around for quite some time in various forms

[sharp matrix]

this is just our last attempts to explore our solar system before we kill ourselves off or a natural disaster takes us out

[distant siren]

obamacare was objectively the worst thing to happen to american healthcare in a long time. apart from is privitization in the first place. also y'all...at this point its really about elite vs commoner...they just double down on right vs left to keep people ignorant that neither side gives a shit about us.

[sharp matrix]

but either way humanity probably wont survive the next century, if it does even manage to do that it will be a miracle

[twin dew]

So giving actual coverage was bad, instead of cheap bills that didn't give anything in return?

And it was originally Republican bill.

But when Democrats ran with it, they turned away from it.

[jagged snow]

Careful y'all, politics

[distant siren]

baldur, it was an unsustainable program that had a major backend cost. regardless of who wrote it initally or who signed it in...in saying the act itself had forward reaching repurcussions.

anywaaays.....tech stuff!

anyone seen the thing about new topological photonic quantum computing states? esentiallu gives us another 48 values to work with apart from 1 and 0. could be crazy for future programming

[sharp matrix]

objectively the america, specifically the healthcare system has been screwed and beyond saving for a long time....

infact im surprised it doesnt collapse under its own corruption at this point

but probably very very soon

[jagged snow]

Healthcare spending accounted for 1/5 of US GDP last year...

It's not just the healthcare industry that'll collapse

[sharp matrix]

as i said its going to collapse soon....

[jagged snow]

Oh that's super fascinating
I've been loosely following the field and it seems to have really taken off in the last couple years

[sharp matrix]

photonics, yeah, pretty interesting field

[distant siren]

@jagged snow yeah its pretty exciting stuff happening in photonics lately. a prototype photonic quantum battery was just made recently. proof of concept really...but its basically the early stages of warhammer 40k laspacks >.>

[jagged snow]

Did y'all see the info on the new gpu rowhammer exploits?

[sharp matrix]

yes

[jagged snow]

Also in quantum computing, there's been some neat advances on the practical side of things: arstechnica.com/security/2026/03/new-quantum-computing-advances-heighten-threat-to-elliptic-curve-cryptosystems/

Stupid bot

[sharp matrix]

yep basically modern encryption is screwed and on limited time before current security is shattered into a billion pieces

and whats this 100 times less time before this all goes up in smoke, yes

[night girder]

but it also brings quantum encryption no?

[sharp matrix]

"insert anything that is always a decade away"

[pure karma]

it improved performance by a fair bit so thats all i really care about

[sharp matrix]

idk, sf is fine, clearly ue5 upgrade introduced no real issues

sure there are poorly made ue5 games, but thats on the studios apu

[pure karma]

saw a lot of new bugs especial visual but the performance is still exceptional

like i said a few weeks ago nwo i mcloser to 60fps than 15fps again and that says a lot

[sharp matrix]

i accept bugs as a trade off for better performance

and thats ok

[pure karma]

speaking of engines im really exited to see the shake that s&box has potential to do to the market in the near future

[sharp matrix]

fortnite is nearing the end of its life i feel it

the cash cow is starting to run dry

[pure karma]

i havent seen fortnite mentioned since probably the pandemic atleast

outside of the recent drama around the Vbucks decrease

[sharp matrix]

i mean ill be surprised if fortnite remains the same cash cow

clearly the userbase is starting to grow weary

[pure karma]

mostly just addicted people left as usual for dead shooter games

theres always the too invested players that will sink with the ship

[sharp matrix]

yeah thats part of the reason

i think we are moving forwards a post fortnite world, where the cash cow has run dry and who knows what happens after that

[humble isle]

macos only supports its own renderer but vulkan can easily be translated to that, xbox = by microsoft so they tryna advertise directx, wait what playstation doesnt?

[night girder]

didn't fortnite layoff?

[humble isle]

no fortnite still has millions of ppl sadly

[night girder]

www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/life-insurance/fortnite-makers-mass-layoff-sparks-us-life-insurance-debate-570670.aspx

They fired a lot of staff at fortnite.

[twin dew]

By third party converter.
Similar to DX12 to Vulkan conversion with VLK3D.

[night girder]

1000 employees fired at Epic.

[humble isle]

i mean yeah but apple only supports its own thing and apple products arent even for gaming so might aswell just convert instead of rewriting for it

only rockstar game i like is rdr2

[sharp matrix]

what subnautica is awesome though

[humble isle]

s&box and godot are good engines and some proprietary ones

its new

s&box releases fully april 28th

unreal engine can be pretty good too if u have a RTX 6090 ti

why not?

[oblique hamlet]

it would be cool if they compiled SF on stream

[humble isle]

isnt blender better for that?

[oblique hamlet]

they make the videos with ue
probably because they can already use what they have in ue

[humble isle]

yeah satisfactory looks acceptable but the performance is so bad when looking at what visuals u get

[twin dew]

And for example lot of UE5 devs misunderstood what Epic was saying about Nanite.
When Epic says that you make the highest LOD version and Nanite handles the lower detail ones.
But devs put in the direct from artists full detail models.

[humble isle]

also lumen is misconfigured in satis

[twin dew]

Not officially supported, one devs free time project.

[humble isle]

ah

[twin dew]

What is misconfigured in it?

[humble isle]

not something specifically it just needs a bunch of tweaking so it looks more "right"

my rtx 3070 probably just isnt fast enough for it tho

[twin dew]

Yeah, which is why it isn't supported as one reason, other being that the world lighting etc. would need complete makeover for it.

It is another "Experimental, not supported, provided as is" thing, just with more manual work made to make it work at all.

[humble isle]

only a few settings really impact performance for me like shadows those impact it a LOT but setting them below medium makes the game looks ahh (but 2x fps)

i play at medium shadows then lock it to 75fps and framegen it to 150fps

the input latency at 60fps for me is okay but it just doesnt look smooth enough which is why i need framegen

it depends on the game some games are fine at 30fps

also replacing ur display is cheaper than ever oled is still expensive but worth the price imo

[twin dew]

And IPS doesn't have issues with color gamut or like, if the backlight is wide-gamut one.
Only with contrast.

[humble isle]

only issue with oled rn is that the anti burn in features can be a bit intrusive depending on brand and variable refresh rate flicker (i dont use VRR tho)

[pure karma]

honestly iv always played with lumen since its been added and outside of all the reflection noise its quite a solid implementation

[humble isle]

so u halved ur fps for some extra noisy reflections

[pure karma]

my FPS stayed the same since this game is CPU and ram bottlenecked to shit

[humble isle]

what cpu and ram bottlenecked how

[twin dew]

Because you still haven't gotten rid of that 2000-car train?

[humble isle]

do u have a 2 core cpu

[night girder]

wakey waaaake

[pure karma]

well yea but its still true 😂

[humble isle]

LOL

[pure karma]

probably my all time biggest power move against 8 core CPU's for gaming has to be that screenshot

[humble isle]

9950x3d2

[pure karma]

ironically enough i dont really notice the performance impact of the train anymore

im back to like 50FPS when playing normally

[humble isle]

my minecraft world is 1.5 terabyte so i dont have a lot of storage left

[pure karma]

how tf

[night girder]

crew woke up, atleast let's hope.
The alarm went off atleast 😄

[pure karma]

iv seen some 100GB+ worlds but never over a terabyte

[humble isle]

🤷

probably just too high render distance

its at 2048

[pure karma]

yea that will do it since loading chunks is the biggest size increase on a minecraft save generally

[night girder]

I wonder too.

They probably have something to help them get to sleep if needed. A bottle of whiskey or something 🤣

[humble isle]

idk the entities folder is big too

the rest is the chunks though

quite large

does satisfactory also generate worlds or is it just the same map every playthrough?

[pure karma]

same everytime

[twin dew]

With 1.2 bringing node type randomization if wanted, but still same locations.

[humble isle]

all my steam games combined use only about half of my minecraft world 😭

lol

the minecraft 2b2t server world is over 100 terabytes tho

theres always bigger fish

[pure karma]

well thats understandable you have thousands loading chunks

i remember we loaded max render distanceo n bedrock by default (96) from 0,0 to 0,250,000 and it was still only in the 100's of GB's

so to get that much world size alone is basically impossible

[humble isle]

i mean i did like 60 hours of generation at 600-800 chunks per second

hold on lemme count the chunks

(not based off time and chunks per second thats innacurate)

about 58 473 856 chunks

the world is 1 460 737 266 216 bytes / 58 473 856 is about 24981 bytes per chunk

0.1906MB per chunk

some what

[twin dew]

Life

[night girder]

@soft bloom Finally found the album where the pictures are uploaded too: www.nasa.gov/gallery/journey-to-the-moon/
There are some new pictures, but not yet on the website.

One one of the new pictures, there is even lightnign strikes inside the clouds on earth 😮

[humble isle]

if i want a render distance of 16384 i would need 26.8 terabytes of storage
(currently i am at 87.1% of 4096 render distance)

u can play satisfactory in minecraft with create mod so its all the communities together :D

[night girder]

Did you hear that Baldur?

[twin dew]

If you mean something on NASA stream, I'm not watching.

[night girder]

sadge 🙁

[pure karma]

i really want to reply to you with a certain GIF rn

[twin dew]

They did annoying repeats way too often yesterday when the astronauts were sleeping, and nothing was happening.
And if I want to watch from astronauts waking up, I better start tomorrow when I wake up, sped up.

And not try to find the right spot I left off in the stream.

[night girder]

😒

[twin dew]

Because I need to head to bed soon.

[pure karma]

unlucky timezone things but they do wake up quite late i have to admit

[twin dew]

Tied to the launch time and the overall burn etc. schedule until TLI.

[night girder]

I do have to say, there are so many interesting topics NASA could be talking about while the crew is sleeping. Like explaining stuff in depth, or interviews.

But they clearly didn't have a large budget for the stream 🤣

[twin dew]

And why did they have to repeat the pre-launch up to launch parts constantly.
If someone wanted to watch those, they could just watch those.
The thing wasn't being televised anymore.

[night girder]

Pretty sure a lot of nerds at NASA can talk hours about any topic. Even the solar panels. Or the camera's. or DSN. Just sad it's not much in depth and quiet.

[twin dew]

Just few clicks away in YouTube when you wanted.

[night girder]

Be happy it's not the propaganda commercials anymore how "X country is bringing humanity to the future" ... 🤦‍♂️
Because on launch day, those started to really annoy me.

And then you had the NASA dude after the commcercial "We want to thank our International partners ..." like the rope they walking on is crazy.

I don't know. It's either YT clickbait garbage. Netflix garbage. Or Artemis 2.
This stuff is just interesting. Not much else to see for me on the internet atm.

Anyone know what Maxeek is on about?

schoolrooms eating plastic

I heard about bacteria able to transform plastic into something else. So bacteria that "eat" plastic.

But never heard about mushrooms, or rooms eating plastic.

You been watching "The Last Of Us" or playing the game?

it's fungi zombies.

problem is, can fungi thrive in water?

becausee else it might help the plastic problem in the ocean.

might also eat up plastic boats though 🤣

[pure karma]

thats just kids being kids

[night girder]

I wonder how the plastic eating bacteria is actually doing. In the sense, does it have practical applications. Is it widely used or a gimmick?
Maybe still in testing phase.

[night girder]

This looks good.

You can see lightning strikes in the clouds.

Yeah, the recent pictures changed also.

Both are now 1920x1280px.

[soft bloom]

are they? though just light pollution from urban areas

[night girder]

Yes, I mean. That's what NASA said.

[soft bloom]

the coast mediterranian doesn't have clouds even

and the other thing is coast of Brazil

but maybe in cetral AFrica, idk

[night girder]

This is the other one.

You would almost believe think it's just ocean and clouds without any landmass.

[manic cipher]

Whats is the picture about?

[night girder]

pictures during TLI, when Artemis II crew commited the voyage to the moon few hours ago.

[manic cipher]

You want to see something interesting?

Here is where the Artemis 2 mission is at as of 19:00 UTC.

They are definitely racing ahead of the moon. For now.

[night girder]

❓

Huh? The pictures I post are taken HOURS ago. Before crew went to sleep.

[manic cipher]

I heard that they had toilet issues.

[night girder]

Yes they had.

And now they lost the electric razor 🤣

Crew just asked ground "Where the fuck did you put electric razor?"

"Ah, in locker 1, bag 6, under personal hygiene" 🤣

maxeek you been on the arrow website?

And Baldur wanted to see crew I think.

Now we have livecam of crew chilling about 😄 And he off to bed.

I think the pilot.

Jeremy Hansen. Clearly canadian. (look patch on arm 🤣 )

[pure karma]

i watched some of the interview they did together

outside of that i havent been keeping up much tbh

[night girder]

Must say, crew does look sleepy.

I think they partied too late.

[pure karma]

nah the roles are in the description of the stream

[night girder]

AH, so correct person wrong task.

I think Victor Glover has the best job. There is nothing to pilot 🤣
I mean, they had one hour of manually piloting Orion. But that was already two days ago.

[night girder]

Nop.

First human spaceflight mission I can find planned by EU:

LEO Cargo Return Service, first launch planned for 2028, future – a program to develop space capsules capable of resupplying space stations and returning cargo from orbit.[68][69][70] As of 2025, development of two vehicles is being supported by ESA: The Exploration Company's Nyx capsule and Thales Alenia Space's capsule[71]

While it's under "Human spaceflight"

The LEO Cargo Return Service (LCRS) is an initiative of the European Space Agency (ESA) supporting the development of European commercial **uncrewed **cargo spacecraft for delivery service to and from space stations in low-Earth orbit (LEO).

[bronze jasper]

maybe it's that low g face they get. Puffiness since gravity isn't dragging it down

[languid gulch]

looking at the crew gives me that old school nasa feeling. commander, pilot, engineer, and scientist

?

hopefully nothing too crazy from the sun for a while

i think i missed something

no idea what this means 🤣

i mean, yes, but also it's the most habitable place between here & there

also Boeing didn't build this one

also yay for ESA propulsion

i have a hard time caring who's doing the work so long as it's getting done

ESA is more than welcome to build their own capsules to mate to the ESM if they really want to

[night girder]

Nothing wrong with working together?

[languid gulch]

exactly

i'd much prefer working together on all this

hell, invite china and india along for the ride

"humans in space" is one of those things where i'd rather our issues down here have nothing to do with what's going on up there

yup

& i'm kinda surprised that ESA didn't get a seat for this one

[night girder]

Eh, difficult/complicated times.

But in the end, I am sure everyone benefits from the data of this mission.

[languid gulch]

you're putting that kindly 🤣

my local gif folder is sitting at 6.5gb

easier to find what i need instead of pulling it up in a browser and having it brain fart & not properly load up here

lol my total pics folder is 25gb

fair amount of .webp & .mp4 that have been converted to gif, and those take up a lot of space

🤣

i also have 7 drives in this system atm

one's a usb

idk if that counts

🤣

i should get a big fat one so that it counts just because of its capacity

[night girder]

crew is live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3kR2KK8TEs

[languid gulch]

ok that's way more space than i was expecting

after reading the stats between orion & apollo, it looked like they just kinda kept the same crew-to-volume ratio

[night girder]

the work out 😄

in the background.

Christina has bluetooth issues with the medical tablet.

[languid gulch]

lovely

what was the issue with the toilet yesterday?

[night girder]

No.

[languid gulch]

🤣

[night girder]

They first said it was a fan. But then later corrected.

The pump didn't have enough water to function.

[languid gulch]

oof

[night girder]

And the toilet shut off.

[languid gulch]

i wonder if D5's work in space

[jagged snow]

The cameras?

[languid gulch]

water pump

[jagged snow]

Lol, gotcha
The cameras they're using on this mission are also D5s

[languid gulch]

ffs

LOL

"about the size of 2 minivans inside"

at least that's a bit more understandable

[night girder]

I think the camera is deceptive. Fish eye stuff.

[languid gulch]

def some of that

[night girder]

they have to move back and forth like a puzzle to let others get through.

[languid gulch]

i'd love to see how thick it is from the external skin to the interior paneling

[night girder]

And Victor is working hard.

[languid gulch]

the Shuttle crew area was basically on a floating frame inside another where the tiles/shielding was attached, i wonder if this is similar

center screen

[night girder]

oh

you can see one of the cameras float

or it looks like one. Might be wrong.

[languid gulch]

incredible that we're getting this kind of signal & resolution from about halfway there

[night girder]

I know right?

Maxeek doesn't like the Artemis II mission.

Think it's a PR stunt or something.

[languid gulch]

i mean, we can almost read the printing on the cables

[night girder]

The last trip to the moon.

Didn't have 24/7.

[languid gulch]

i'm more thinking in comparison to apollo. so nice

[night girder]

I find that on itself cool.

[languid gulch]

ngl i wanna see 3 geosync crewed stations around earth as part of our long term infrastructure 🤣

15 years late, sure

[languid gulch]

they didn't get hit by lightning on the way up like 12 did

[night girder]

I wasn't crazy. floating DSLR. Also a bit unfortunate of the butt 🤣

[languid gulch]

on apollo 10 Gene Cernan accidentally put the LM computer status into thinking it was back on the launchpad

made the craft tumble around

[night girder]

with this mission due to a bug, they lost communication for a bit

[languid gulch]

on one of the Skylabs the crew was overworked and shut off the radio for like 8 hours so they could sleep

seeing a Saturn V with side boosters would have been amazing

[night girder]

the camera is getting obstructed on the live stream 🤣

[languid gulch]

🤣

could you imagine what the world could have done if USA/EU/USSR/China would have teamed up in the 60s?

at least agreeing to standards like the docking ports would have happened way sooner

[night girder]

eventually it will become universal like usb c

[languid gulch]

i mean, SpaceX is trying to stay relatively independent with Starship

at least Falcon is adhering to standards

i wonder if we have any of those N1 NK33 rockets left

Saturn V was the big dumb 1st stage, N1 was too smart for it to handle

[night girder]

Tom Lehrer

[languid gulch]

i could scroll up

i do like how some companies are using 3d printing to reduce part count with the engines

and even if those never fly, it's an extreme environment that'll teach us about how the printing process works with the metallurgy

i haven't looked to see if it's similar to the ISS one

[night girder]

they also said, whenever they release co2 or waste fluid into space, it adjusts the trajectory and they hope to find a way to release those without impact on trajectory.

But todays trajectory correction was cancelled because they are well within error margin.

[languid gulch]

i mean, that'll always happen unless they do an equivalent mass dump on the other side of the craft

[night girder]

And if I understood it correctly, they going to stack up a few more "errors" before doing a correction, if needed tomorrow.

[waxen pendant]

the apollo crews had to shit in bags. Before leaving groups of scientists would watch them doing this to make sure they did it right

[night girder]

Yeah, to me it sounded like they did not expect this.

[pure karma]

shitting affecting the trejectory is commical

[night girder]

But they are sneaky during the press interview 😄

[languid gulch]

they knew, there's just 0 plan to change things

[pure karma]

its like farting in a cartoon turning you into a rocket engine

[night girder]

luckily the waste dump itself is controlled seperate of toilet visit.

and that's just how space works.

you dump a tiny bit of poo and move yourself. 🤣

[languid gulch]

i wonder if they all have appendectomies like Antarctic personnel

i do appreciate the spike in KSP sales that coincided with the Artemis launch 🤣

oh agreed

i just really wouldn't want to have that kind of an emergency in space

oh definitely, but at least that's on the ground

can't exactly just turn around halfway to the moon

iirc 1 out of 3 astros get sick once they're up there for like a solid day

possibly

[sharp matrix]

Another reason im not watching these content creators anymore🤦‍♂️

It just gets worse with them every year and increasingly disconnected from reality

[languid gulch]

i've only bought 2 pieces of merch from any youtuber, and that's because i won something in one of their raffles

and no, it wasn't LTT

[sharp matrix]

Well im not subscribed to them anymore needless to say and i can see now my decision was the correct one

Seriously bought a fucking private jet, good job reaching a new low ltt, well done indeed🤦‍♂️

[languid gulch]

i'm only subbed to their PSU tester channel

and that's mainly for quick reference

[sharp matrix]

Hmm, still these creators certainly have crossed the point of existing in reality itself...

[languid gulch]

i like it because it has none of the personalities tied to it 🤣

[night girder]

Did he say how much he paid for the Dassault Falcon 900B?

[languid gulch]

the comments section is the best part of the vid

[sharp matrix]

5 million dollars i believe

[languid gulch]

it was hdmi wasn't it

[night girder]

he had some spare change left

[languid gulch]

buys

🤣

i mean, buyes isn't another word in english, just misspelled

just like "payed"

[night girder]

paid?

[languid gulch]

yup

it might change in the future, but for now, buys & paid 🤣

times?

[night girder]

you mean like paste tense?

[languid gulch]

oh, tenses?

🤣 the real trick to passing as a native speaker is to watch american tv shows that were new when you were a kid, that way you pick up the funny lines that americans your age will get

[night girder]

I don't want to pass as a native speaker 🤣

[languid gulch]

just lean against a wall in public and you'll pass as american 😛

whom isn't used much anymore

[night girder]

thou speaketh the truth

[languid gulch]

a lot of the phrasing where it was used isn't used anymore 🤣

[night girder]

Is "thou" old english?

thou, thine, thee, thy

gotta love english.

[languid gulch]

i wish english had umlauts and slashed vowels

[night girder]

I do know a few good swear words.

Yesterday I heard in a YT video "Goddamit shit the bed almighty!" 🤣

when someone pushed a pig downhill by accident.

[sharp matrix]

https://youtube.com/shorts/hAWgc6HOadk?si=WGKgbTK2Fv4GwqgN

[languid gulch]

you can often tell where someone in the US is from based on their swearing 🤣

we should resurrect some letters & steal some from other languages

[night girder]

nah, lets keep it simple

I already butcher the language too often

[languid gulch]

Þ would be nice to have back

[night girder]

Hell, even some native speakers struggle 🤣

[languid gulch]

arabic with ش or the german ß would be neat

now do squirrel 😛

[night girder]

you already speak german in the US.

[languid gulch]

what we've stolen, sure

[night girder]

amish or mormoms. One of the two uses some kind of old german.

[languid gulch]

amish

and then there's mennonites

and we should steal Ж

[night girder]

you got to stop stealing from the world 🤣

[night girder]

computers do

[languid gulch]

i do want to smack whoever the engineer was who decided that it was going to be 0 & 1, and not 1 & 2

[night girder]

it makes sense

[languid gulch]

it does from a coding perspective, but really annoying when it comes to counting things in an OS

"i have 7 drives"
counter goes to 6

🤣

[night girder]

that's because arrays start at 0

[pure karma]

i mean as much as i hate it programing starting at 0 instead of 1 has its uses

[languid gulch]

on that subject, can we start calling our main drive the A drive and not the fucking C drive

[pure karma]

even if it means having to offset values 95% of the time

[pure karma]

no the foppy A(ss) disk is more important

[night girder]

what is B?

[languid gulch]

smaller disk drive

[pure karma]

i forgot but some other forgoten storage tech

there both floppy disks nevermind

[languid gulch]

one floppier than the other

[pure karma]

exfat for life

[languid gulch]

mine goes to L atm

[night girder]

you know what. With the way these prices are headed, we might end up using floppy disk drives again

[languid gulch]

one of my old NVMEs is split in 2 because it was the wrong format to jump to win11

[pure karma]

if i put in as many of the USB sticks as i can i have this many drives but i power them off usually and have more than i have slots for them but i only actually have 3 drives

raw videos and edited videos once im tired of my videos folder being full of shit or clips usually

pretty sure i have stuff from 2021 still

[languid gulch]

https://www.tomshardware.com/service-providers/streaming/h264-streaming-license-fees-jump-from-100000-to-4-5-million

[pure karma]

i should really go through it all but yea

theres a lot of stuff in this drive but the good grammar department isent one of them

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vPvSu1cKEvE

oh sorry, was looking for this 🤣

i know but it has the proper text on the screen for once

somehow

[pure karma]

language classes in school be like 👆

[languid gulch]

nostalgia bullshit

it's not kirk's & it's not picard's

same reason they hate enterprise B

my personal opinion may be biased, but people who don't like a particular ship named Enterprise can fuck off

plus the Shuttle

i think most people's issues with Insurrection was about its production & not the final product

i think they were expecting some kind of more serious action-based movie with the Dominion War

also there was the star trek movie curse

[sharp matrix]

<@&387163995947270144>

[languid gulch]

whoo!

[sharp matrix]

Damn the bot already removed it

[sharp matrix]

Can the mod please ban these accounts somehow

[pure karma]

not really cause its hacked accounts

[sharp matrix]

Its ok hopefully the deltaflyer can send these hacked accounts to the shadow realm soon

[pure karma]

delta is busy with the raft discord mostly

[languid gulch]

you bastards made me watch the jet vid

[pure karma]

what jet vid?

[pure karma]

the ltt jet was a very unexpected thing i tought it was a joke at first lol

[languid gulch]

i did sub to alex's new car channel since i'm a gearhead

and i love his janky shit

oh i mostly stopped working on my own stuff a long time ago

lol no, if i had time travel i'd probably turn into a not good person

i'm taller

i'd gladly trade 6 inches of height for 0 back problems

i got to relearn how to walk when i was 20 🤣

was my own fault

i lifted a V8 out of the back seat of my car and burst 3 disks in my back

told ya it was my fault

hey, if we had mass transit here i wouldn't have needed that engine at all

what's more fun is having sidewalks, but they're so curvy that you wouldn't be able to ride a bike or run on them

this dumb shit

i always wanna know how much force the electrical contact thingy is putting on the power line

for an inner city tram, i'm sure minimal is fine, but how the hell does the TGV do it at 500kph

is it induction, or is there actual contact?

[sharp matrix]

You got lucky it wasnt worse

[languid gulch]

6 weeks in a wheelchair and traction

[sharp matrix]

Thats getting off easy considering what you did

[languid gulch]

was just the block so it wasn't insanely heavy, just lifted wrong

but yea, young & dumb

[sharp matrix]

Oh just the block

[languid gulch]

GM 400 small block

[sharp matrix]

Well thats why it wasnt worse

Explains it

[languid gulch]

so like 70-80kg?

i like how people seem to think that stuff like trams are like slightly larger buses

[sharp matrix]

Around that yeah

[languid gulch]

that was the sentiment here when our light rail showed up, and then we started seeing the idiots getting into car wrecks with them

[sharp matrix]

Though some bare blocks can weigh around 100kg

[languid gulch]

god that's hideous

the front end

it looks like Isetta built it

i'm just used to seeing cars with noses

and trains

put a cargo nose on it that launches some missiles

[twin dew]

Doesn't go fast enough to need nose, and that maximizes visibility.

[languid gulch]

ok i love the little cowcatcher on it

[sharp matrix]

The bigger issue is that design isnt very aerodynamic

[languid gulch]

siemens: spreading everywhere since 1847

[sharp matrix]

Aka you really dont want the front being flat like that, alot of air pressure is going to build up at higher speeds

Good reasons front of fast trains and well anything human made is shaped more like a bullet, so air can pass through the front and reduce air resistence

[twin dew]

But in this case the thing is in-city tram thingie, so not speedy.

[sharp matrix]

Aka a flat surface is basically the anti thesis of a aerodynamic design needless to say...

[twin dew]

And good visibility is a must for when people are stupid.

European trucks go faster than trams for most part, and are still with very flat faces because of necessity from European regulations:

[sharp matrix]

Probably is fine, aerodynamic considerations become more pressing at higher speeds

Like the fastest trains in the world sure as hell wouldnt have the front being flat

[languid gulch]

meanwhile we do both big noses & flat as fuck 🤣

[twin dew]

<@&387163995947270144> Scam image spammer

[languid gulch]

yea but 15L engine

[twin dew]

EU trucks head are the way they are because EU has total combination length limits, US has limits for trailer length, but the truck doesn't matter.

So shorter the EU truck, longer the trailer can be.

[languid gulch]

yea, we have a 40t weight limit

[twin dew]

There is weight limits in both, but for that length, EU has total, US has trailer only.

[sharp matrix]

More hacked accounts posted earlier tonight to

[twin dew]

Yeah, if the truck is shorter, the trailer can be longer.

[sharp matrix]

Unfortunately the bot removed some of them, so idk if the mods were able to ban the hacked accounts

[languid gulch]

meanwhile

[sharp matrix]

So they might post around here again👀

Oh well what can i do

[twin dew]

But in turn usually the current EU trucks actually have better pulling performance than the current US trucks...

[languid gulch]

and the EU truck turning maneuverability is fucking insane

i do wanna see one of those aussie road train trucks on an EU road 🤣

oh same here

[twin dew]

Even in Australia only allowed in the outback.

[twin dew]

Another Laser Shark down!

[night girder]

I wake up. And the toilet is broke again? They can't use the toilet during the night and need to use bags.

While the plan was to just do a quick dump while they sleep and then let them use the toilets.

But they just got a negative on the toilet use during the "night" (their sleep period), and have to use bags.

Yeah, use the CCU. "Collapsible Contingency Urinal"

[night girder]

They had too. Ground asked to take pictures in this timeframe and look outside the window.
That's also why they dimmed the lights, to take better pictures and reduce reflections.
Christina might be trying to log into outlook 🤣

[bronze jasper]

https://www.instagram.com/reels/DQVXA4YDJv2/ chris hadfield did this commercial up here in canada. i love it. putting the car seat back. "true darkness up there". oh man, i love it

sicko2005

This was a fun shoot but it was hot 🥵 and we were stuck on a moving bus going in circles with no AC.
Got to Act with the wonderful Chris Hadfield.
There is another version circulating somewhere of me saying lines.

#commercial #specsavers #actor #sicko2005 #dwaynewilson #actinglife #acting #glasses #chrishadfield #dwaynesickowilson #commer...

Instagram

[sharp matrix]

Likely staring at a bsod

[night girder]

Might be possible. With all the issues they had so far.

[night girder]

don't think there is a macdonald along the way to the moon 🤣

[waxen pendant]

Yet

[pure karma]

"coming soon to a space ship near you"

[sharp matrix]

Cheap space radiated fast food, delicious😋

[night girder]

health wise, impact might be the same as normal mac donald

[sharp matrix]

We guarantee first order of heavily radiated fried chicken is deeply engrained with cosmic radiation or your money back!

[bronze jasper]

dominos are leading the fast food moon industry. they're the only franchise with a moon base blueprint

macleans.ca/economy/business/when-the-moon-hits-your-eye/

[soft bloom]

www.nasa.gov/gallery/journey-to-the-moon/
more media uploaded

[twin dew]

Waste water vents on the capsule aren't heated and had frozen from previous uses...
Whole capsule had to be reoriented so sun could melt the blockages...

And still having issues with that.

And seems the lines aren't heated either...

The most stupid design oversights..

[twin dew]

And they still cannot get enough internal cabin heat either.
Slowed down air circulation fans and removed window shields to get sun heating into the cabin as attempt to make it better over time.

[twin dew]

Wonder if heating for those got deleted when Orion was on intense weight reduction phase during Constellation program to try to make it work with Ares I.
And were never restored after because of being forgotten.

[wanton orchid]

I can't get out of my mind that Artemis II as been designed by skeleton crew with ai assisting tools

there are obvious oversight

[twin dew]

Worse, it has been in design since 2000:s with official funding to Lockheed Martin since 2006.
And gone through so many revisions and changes that it is just a mess.

When it has been swapped from program to program with then mods to the design for that program.

With multiple swaps on what it was supposed to launch on, and where it was to launch to.
And that Ares I was just so underperforming thing that during that period, Orion went through extreme weight reduction program.

With not lot of actual weight shed, but lot of work and some bad decisions made overall.

That didn't all get reverted later.

[night girder]

They also have a smell coming from the toilet 😄

And they were allowed to use the toilet. Only number 2. FD3

And the waste dump was successful, because we could see the waste being dump on the livestream.

Also, they opened a valve before, when they opened that valve, they got ice inside the pipes. But that was only because valve was opened I believe.

[twin dew]

Yeah, after cancelling correction burn and turning the whole vehicle so that sun heated the waste vents.

[night girder]

2 correction burns, because they are not needed. FD2 correction burn was also cancelled.
FD3 also got cancelled. And they explained why.

[wanton orchid]

I mean there is hope
and there is hopping on a boat with no propeller and no sail and expecting to get where you wanted to go

[night girder]

Aslong as the course is within error margin, they don't do the correction and "build" up errors.

Because it's not efficient, and not useful to do a correction that early on.

But to be fair, it seems a lot of energy/troubleshooting is going towards a freaking toilet.

[twin dew]

Earlier you correct, less fuel you use.
If you can make accurate enough burn.
But they don't believe they have accurate enough burn capability and think they might cause more new errors than they correct.

[night girder]

Well, that's not what NASA said.

I can try to clip the interview for you, where they explain in detail why they don't do burn corrections.

But it's there on the YT, you can watch it again. Just the press conference of FD2 I believe.

Not sure what your source is on the "They don't believe they have accurate burn capability"

[twin dew]

Accurate enough to have good enough result to bother making correction now.

[wanton orchid]

maybe they want to combine corrections with main burst later ?

I expect they have algorithms for splitting that

[night girder]

They are talking right now about the burn they cancelled.

[twin dew]

With infinite accuracy, you wouldn't need any.
With near infinite, you would make small correction burn right after you have the data from the actual TLI.
And then others as needed to correct from the venting etc.

But as it is much more mushy in real life, you make larger corrections less often, and later.

[night girder]

Because they were doing maneuvers anyway. And unfreeze of waste dump like Baldur said.

[twin dew]

And the point is, that NASA has shown in last years that their public comments cannot be trusted to be factual, and not PR speak.

[night girder]

Well it's different NASA people saying the same.

From the manager, to PR spokespoerson, to the people on the ground communicating with crew.

[twin dew]

Yes, they could skip that burn.
But if they skipped it first, and then did the toilet fix with sun.
Or saw they needed toilet fix, and saw that they could do without the burn and delay it with the propellant reserves they have.

[night girder]

No, FD2. No burn needed. FD3 no burn needed AND they were going to do maneuvres (why correct if you going to do maneuvres that brings it out of course again?) and they needed to fix the toilet.

And the way they explained it.

They can "collect" more errors, untill they are not within error margin and then do a proper correction.

Than to do tiny micro corrections daily with no impact on the mission whatsoever.

Also, it's also just smarter to keep reserve incase shit hits the fan and they need to do corrections.

[wanton orchid]

NASA is like having to defend investment interest marketing
they try to avoid letting people think they do any fufkup even if it was expected
because they have stupid investors

[night girder]

Like, it's just logical.

Don't waste resources on something if it doesn't endanger the mission and you are on target.
Especially when you are in space

It's not that they have infinite resources on Orion. And can just do corrections nilly willy.

[twin dew]

Point is that how orbital mechanics works, you use less fuel for same end result earlier you do that correction.
Often way less fuel.

In this case they have very good trajectory already, and lot of extra fuel, so it doesn't matter.

Which is why they had put in those earlier burn times, if the original trajectory hadn't been as good.

As then doing just corrections during the third slot would use more fuel than they had.

[night girder]

If the rror marging is 0.3% off the course. And the next day it's 0.2%.

Would be stupid if you done a correction the previous day. Because it would have fixed itself. Or be worse.

But if the tresshold is 3% error margin 🤷‍♂️

[wanton orchid]

no errors are stacking not canceling letterdief

you have to keep on track early if possible and practical

[night girder]

Well they are manually flying the spacecraft too

what do you think that does to the course?

If they workout, the spacecraft starts moving.

[wanton orchid]

it stacks nevertheless

[night girder]

If they dump into space, course is adjusted.

If you go to the left, and then dump something left side pushing you to the right. It's not stacked. It's cancelling one error with another. if 1 is a error. And you do -1 (also error) you get 0.

[wanton orchid]

when they move it statically moves few meters

it does not get on an other inertia line

[night girder]

Well, point is.

If they make it to the moon and back without corrections. They were right.

[twin dew]

OTC-3 is still planned at this time, based on all the reporting I just checked.
Will know for certain either way only near next crew wageup.

[night girder]

Or even if they done a correction later.

They were still correct.

[twin dew]

But the question is: would they have done OTC-2 if that toilet issue wasn't happening.
Or still bypass it as not needed.

And if doing the OTC-2 would have saved fuel over doing only later correction burn(s) if those happen.

[wanton orchid]

for it to cancel you have to willingly dump the opposite way
that is a form of error correction not canceling randomly

[night girder]

I think they would have skipped OTC-2. Regardless of toilet issue.

[twin dew]

Because like I said, earlier the correction, if the final trajectory is better than before, saves fuel overall.
Just that they budgeted 30 seconds of fuel per planned correction burn.
And the expectation was that they would need about 10 seconds of burn for OTC-3.

[night girder]

Afaik, they skipped OTC-1, not because of issues. But because of what I all said. Which I picked up during the livestream and the press conference.
Error margin = within. No OTC. Keep stacking errors and see how it goes.
So far, they are well within the margin, no need to worry or correct.

[twin dew]

Yes, because of the inaccuracies in measuring the trajectory, and doing the correction burns.
Not because with perfect accuracy it wouldn't have been good idea.

[night girder]

It's the same that they had one valve issues, and already started to put water into bags. As a contingency. I think they doing same with OTC atm. Keep it and don't waste it.

[wanton orchid]

I hope the error margin you're talking about is the no correction error margin

[night girder]

just watch the press conference. Or don't.

There is nothing good on the livestream now anyway. Just repeats.

and a few hours of them waking up.

Flight controllers in the Mission Control Center at NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston again have cancelled another planned outbound trajectory correction (OTC) burn, as Orion’s trajectory remains on track. The team will instead adjust the spacecraft’s attitude to point the vent toward the Sun to help clear a wastewater vent line. This change in the OTC burn schedule does not impact the current trajectory of the Orion spacecraft.

Overnight, controllers vented wastewater overboard to free up space in Orion’s waste management system tank, but the activity ended earlier than expected. Engineers have been using the vent heaters to melt any potential ice that may be clogging the line and orienting the vent toward the Sun to help mitigate the issue. Teams also are reviewing other potential causes. The wastewater tank is not full and the toilet is operational; however, the crew was instructed to use backup collection devices overnight if needed.
source: www.nasa.gov/blogs/missions/2026/04/04/artemis-ii-flight-day-4-deep-space-flying-lunar-flyby-prep/

[twin dew]

Yes, and that doesn't tell if they would have done the burn if the waste issue wasn't there.
Just that it wasn't needed.
Which is true even if it would have been beneficial to save fuel in total, when there is way extra propellant.

[night girder]

seems they are?

[twin dew]

So they are then, but underpowered, and needed that heat from sun.

[night girder]

Yeah, which happens a lot? I heard so many stories about astronauts and spaceships using the sun for troubleshooting.

I don't get it why everyone is so negative about this. Because it costs so much money? Or because it has no real purpose?

[wanton orchid]

because as you said relying on rotating to the sun introduce errors and waste fuel

at least design it so one sees the sun every time or something

[night girder]

So ok.

What you all propose is this.

Do OTC2.
Then do manually flying. (introducing errors)
Then do waste dump correction (introducing errors)
Then rotate to the sun (introducing errors).

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

[twin dew]

That was about if the NASA official word is fully factual or not.

[night girder]

Ok, you get more factual source than NASA besides your own theories which isn't based on anything I believe so far?
Just your opinion that you know better than what NASA engineers are doing, "They wasting fuel, should have done earlier OTC1 and OTC2 because more efficient for fuel ..." . Or your opinion stating that NASA is lying to us.

[wanton orchid]

at least you do not stack on otc2 errors

[wanton orchid]

second is more likely than first

[twin dew]

Point was, NASA official word has been shown to be prettified compared to the internal talks or actual facts multiple times in the past.
And this can be one of the same again.

[night girder]

Point is, I am trying to have a discussion/talk on this subject based on facts or information that is tangible.

[twin dew]

And we cannot have that, because we don't have visibility into the actual internal NASA data and talks.
And because of the past behavior, the official NASA statements cannot be taken as facts.

[night girder]

And I think stating that NASA is doing it wrong, without anything to back it up, it's very fruitful to the conversation.

[twin dew]

Because they have constantly lied and given out more rosy picture than reality in the past.

[wanton orchid]

'the earliest you do correction if you can accurately enough => better and more fuel efficient'
is a fact

[night girder]

Well, if the spacecraft makes it back.

They didn't lie. Mission complete. OTC 1 and 2 not needed.

[wanton orchid]

'and errors mostly stacks' because it's 3d+ shit
is also fact

[night girder]

If it crashes into the moon, they fucked up. If they do OTC 3 and it doesn't correct within margin, they fucked up. If they run out of fuel, they fucked up.

You stating they didn't heat the lines. And then NASA blog says they do etc.

[twin dew]

That was speculation from the fact they froze over.
Didn't think they would fail modeling the heat transfer and undersizing the heaters instead.

[night girder]

Artemis 1 was without 4 living beings in it. I am sure that changes things up.

[twin dew]

Artemis 1 had no life support equipment in it.

[night girder]

Also the whole ecosystem inside Orios isn't that simple. They need enough humidity so the CO2 scrubber can do it's job.

[twin dew]

It was mostly empty shell.

[night girder]

So they are constantly tweaking it to find a balance.

Once one of the astronauts starts to work out it chances the climate inside vehicle.
And they need to adjust etc.

So no, I am not surprised things got frozen and they are learning from all of this.

Shit, few days ago they mentioned the numbers on the temperature, humidity and CO2 levels. But I forgot.

[twin dew]

Point is, they fucked up in design.
They fucked up with testing, by not doing anywhere near enough.
And they didn't do any life support testing before this flight, even when they COULD have put full system on Artemis 1 with dummy loads to simulate humans on board, but they didn't.

[night girder]

This is a test I know you don't believe it.

[twin dew]

This is validation test, not design testing, like I said yesterday.

[night girder]

But NASA was smart enough to say it like every hour or so. "Test flight ..."

They don't call it validation test. They are smart with the naming 🤣

[twin dew]

Because they like to repeat that lie every time they fuck up their validation tests.

[night girder]

I leave that one in the middle.

But they are clearly branding it for their benefit.

Or maybe even legally? 🤔

Where do you get the information it's a validation test?

[wanton orchid]

they are and that's the whole point
communication smiles
but we speculate how much of a nightmare engineering team looked like and is looking like

but it can't look pretty at this point

[soft bloom]

Sounds like some kind of coordinated conspiracy

[twin dew]

Because that is basics of how various testing types are done, named and what they contain.
This is validation test that the capsule works like it should with humans on board and farther away from Earth.
With basic expectation that everything will work, and at most need minor tweaks.
Done with the final product, to confirm it works as intended.

Where as with other tests, you do those as part of the development, to inform that development, and to verify/correct computer models etc.

The option for that development test to same objectives would have been for that Artemis I capsule to have the actual life support system with dummy "humans".