off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

Apple M#:s use on-package memory.
With differing memory bus widths.
Think more like GPU VRAM than like normal RAM.

Those are all using same speed RAM chips, but with differing bus widths (and amount of RAM dies) to get those differing transfer speeds.

[thin trout]

24GB is probably 12x2 GB

and 36GB 12x3

if not, something similar

[twin dew]

On M4 gen, A18/A18 Pro had 64bit memory controller, M4 had 128bit, M4 Pro had 256bit, and M4 Max had 384bit and 512bit variants.

Ah, sorry, half of those, only 16 bit channels, not 32 bit.
Edited the original to correct.

You could calculate the M5 gen widths from the provided RAM chip speed and total bandwidth values.

[languid gulch]

one of my old laptops came stock with 6gb ram. 2+4

also

technically, no. functionally, maybe?

lol no

i'm just glad i'm too old and busted to be drafted

a lot of people need to sit down and be forced to watch Babylon 5

hate me, i'm a fan of B5 & DS9

i endeavor to be the kind of american that europeans used to like

i'm legit tempted to get a new front end & badges for my car since Opel made a version of it

ketchup is good when it's used with other garbage level food

[twin dew]

Yeah, same bitwidths this time around, with that earlier graphic missing the higher M5 Max config.
And at least Micron sells LPDDR5X in x16, x32 and x64 wide chips.
With 512MB, 768MB, 1GB, 1.5GB, 2GB, 3GB and 4GB chip capacities.

Apple is using Samsung LPDDR5X, but Samsung didn't have similar easy table of current products publicly available.

[languid gulch]

ok dumb question. is LPDDR just the ram chips soldered directly onto the mobo?

[twin dew]

Sorry, die capacities, you can get the chips when in 1-die, 2-die, 4-die or 8-die stacks.

[languid gulch]

no franchise is dead until Amazon makes 1/2 a season worth of a tv series out of it and cancels

[twin dew]

Lower power variant, but cannot use current normal RAM connectors because of signal integrity issues etc.
Could do socketed LPDDR with the new LPCAMM2.

[languid gulch]

speaking of

did you hear about the Microsoft discord getting locked?

[twin dew]

Someone in exec level didn't like "Microslop", tried to get that banned that in there, then after backlash MS closed/locked the whole "server".

[languid gulch]

love it

PR probably knew not to do that and got pushed aside

i'd love to listen to the conversation that happens when that kind of dumbass decision is made

[twin dew]

The current MS CEO really hates the term "AI slop" at least.

[languid gulch]

i'd definitely have a "this is not my responsibility" thing signed

[twin dew]

Yes, lot of OEM machines do come with stupid RAM configs for marketing and cheaping out reasons.
So many with just one DIMM right now too.
And those various uneven channel configs.

[languid gulch]

?

have you been drinking again

[languid gulch]

ok dumb question: are RJ45 cables that you buy at a store hand-terminated, or is there some kind of machine that can somehow do it

[twin dew]

Machines

[languid gulch]

do techs use those machines to do those "i need 400 10cm network switch connections" server hardware porn things

[twin dew]

Not moveable things.

[languid gulch]

so all those are done by hand?

[twin dew]

Or just bought?

[languid gulch]

so if they're bought the manufacturer has just machine-terminated the short wires

i kinda wish i had some kind of setup where those would be necessary 🤣

[twin dew]

If the cable has overmolded connector, it is factory made:

When hand-made, you get separate connector and then possibly a plastic boot.
But of course you can use the non-overmold on machine too:

[languid gulch]

now i have to look up how they do that in a factory, because i wanna know how they distinguish the wiring for the termination

[dire igloo]

Huh?

Check the roles

Still says green dot Moderator

[visual tree]

Ugh, I hate those stupid educations I have to complete even though I have already completed them in the past multiple times....

Not to mention HR department lost my coworkers documentation multiple times....

[night girder]

Well the rumor is.

The NEO will use iphone chip instead of M5. and will cost around 599-699 euro.
But you are correct about memory.

I just think they had a bunch of those chips laying around.
Knew the prices of hardware went up and needed something for lower segment of laptops to replace the air and though,

what if we just slap in those iphone chips we already have 🤣

[languid gulch]

dumb question: why does DDR5 have a minimum speed of 4800MT/s. can it technically run slower?

is it because that's basically the fastest that DDR4 could handle?

[twin dew]

It doesn't?
3600MT/s is the slowest specced speed IIRC.

[languid gulch]

oh sorry, 4000 is the jedec minimum

would it just be too unstable below that speed?

[twin dew]

Both AMD and Intel have CPU, MB & DIMM combinations where they spec 3600MT/s as the speed to be used.
Mainly for 4x 2R DIMMs in use.

[languid gulch]

huh. interesting

but in any case, could it be cranked down any further than that?

[white kraken]

Don't scare me

[winged valley]

Manually I believe so, but why would you want to?

[pure karma]

honestly your so well hiden all the time i forget you mod here too sometimes

[languid gulch]

the curve ball: is there a way to attach ddr4 ram chips onto a ddr5 pinout?

[pure karma]

well yea

[twin dew]

Not in way that would work.

Burst lengths changed.

[pure karma]

www.pcgamer.com/asus-develops-a-ddr4-to-ddr5-adapter-card/

[twin dew]

That is for CPU that supports both.

It is just and power pin adapter.

[pure karma]

this is the most properly done version iv seen but there is the old school dodgy ones for using laptop dims on a desktop platform and others for just actual conversion

[twin dew]

Doesn't allow using DDR4 on CPU that only supports DDR5.

[languid gulch]

ah, so the cpu needs to have the microcode to also be ddr4 comapatible

[twin dew]

Yes, because in DDR5 mode, the commands expect data burst to be too long for DDR4 that has half the size for those.

[pure karma]

but yea getting them to actually work is a whole other story

you can do it just the infrastructure isent there to suport it

[languid gulch]

i saw the adapter modules once pricing got nuts, i was wondering if there was a more direct way to just throw old stock chips onto a ddr5 pcb

[twin dew]

No, DDR4 had MB in charge of VDIMM etc. generation.
DDR5 has just 5V input and own power stepdowns etc. for VDDMem and VDDQ.
Which is why that adapter has those ICs on it, to do that part.

Ah, sorry in that direction in theory.

[languid gulch]

was there as much of a difference between how ddr3 & ddr4 worked?

[twin dew]

No.

DDR5 moved to two separate sub-channels, so all the command and address lines got doubled.

[languid gulch]

HA. old keyboard works just fine with the explodey battery removed

i mean, i'm not going back to using it, i like the wirelessness

[queen scroll]

can anyone give me a hand with my coal plant

im sure it has enough water and coal but it keeps tripping

[waxen pendant]

Ive not played factorio

[queen scroll]

its satisfactory wdym

i dont think im getting enough water

[waxen pendant]

This is off topic chat as per pins we are to assume you mean factorio

Time waits for no one.

Well relatively speaking.

I suppose if you were fat enough you could manipulate the flow of time

[pure karma]

id never want wireless pheripherals in a permenant installation

for that reasson

you either deal with them running out of battery or leave them plugged in at all times and they explode on you

[languid gulch]

eh, i like to move around a lot and having a wired keyboard doesn't mix well with that 🤣

[pure karma]

ARE YOU DOING ACROBATICS WITH YOUR KEYBOARD? HOW CAN THE WIRE POSSIBLY NOT BE LONG ENOUGH

i literally ran USB extensions to another room one time

keyboards really dont need much at all to work

[languid gulch]

lol

i have it BT'd to another system in another room, and while i don't need it there that often, it's nice to just grab it and carry it with me

plus i hate managing wiring if i don't have to

[waxen pendant]

anyone have experience with CachyOS?

[dire igloo]

I know that I don't.
Why do you ask?

[waxen pendant]

being trying Linux OS's I came across it in a thread about gaming on linux. I have never heard of the distro.

[dire igloo]

Can't say much about it, might so some research on it tho.
I was recommended Endeavoros by someone else

[waxen pendant]

the Latest windows update (which was forced on me as i have it set to manual install) has introduced a memory leak. so my pc now randomly crashes if i don't monitor the ram usage and restart in a timely fashion.

This has encouraged me to continue my Linux distribution search

[dire igloo]

The Linux folks that recced Endeavor to me didn't seem to like CachyOS

[pure karma]

No but i know someone that likes it

but they still daily arch so idk why lmao

[dire igloo]

Derivative distros, especially ones that increase the surface area for potential issues (due to running custom kernels) increase probability of issues

skip cachyos, what is offers is a gimmick that doesn't actually really solve anything and will lead to issues for packages having to be targeted to that kernel

cachyos is what i would call a flavor of the month distro
meaning, a distro that comes out and markets a specifc niche, hangs around for maybe a year to 2 years tops then becomes inactive

Oh and this, but I cba to copy each individual message

[dire igloo]

Probably dailying arch because cachy just doesn't work as nicely

[waxen pendant]

i feel attacked lol

[dire igloo]

It's the result of you just not knowing any better.
Can't fault you for not knowing, only for not learning

[twin dew]

CachyOS seems to be trying to be performance/gaming oriented Arch variant that isn't immutable.
And currently it seems to be good in that niche.
But no idea if it will be long term or not.

[waxen pendant]

im not new to linux to be fair. Ive been dabbling for 20 years.

i don't keep up with distributions or iterations hence the questions. and asking for real life experience in a active chat

[pure karma]

yea thats mint for me

the homeless mans distro

[waxen pendant]

thats what is installed currently

[twin dew]

EndeavourOS seems to be just "Arch made more user friendly to install and use".

But has much less focus otherwise, and is less focused to make running games etc. easy too.

But has lot longer roots.

[nimble cargo]

I'm in a similar boat, keen to ditch windows, but stuck on figuring out what would be a good for for me. Not afraid of the dirty work, but don't want to have to hold thing up with duct tape like I am currently.

[waxen pendant]

same. Linux being run on USB has really opened up testing for me

[waxen pendant]

So im hearing is, if i am willing to put in the work it is better to go with a long lasting Core distribution like Arch.

[twin dew]

CachyOS is "All the possible performance improvements, and making stuff easy".
EndeavourOS seems to be "All the possible GUI variants, and making stuff easy".

But currently for gaming, Cachy seems to be easier when it works and the performance edit/patch/config stuff doesn't fuck stuff up instead for individual games.
But no personal experience with either.
And both are still Arch based rolling release distros, in both good and bad it brings.

And in turn Bazzite and SteamOS both being immutable distros brings its own issues.

[waxen pendant]

all valid points.

I am leaning towards arch at this point. Ill do more research

[twin dew]

Good for lot of things, but with issues in cases.

But in turn, lot of the things that immutable distro prevents are bad ideas to begin with.

[waxen pendant]

for sure

[jagged snow]

Honestly, if y'all want to just replace windows I'd strongly reccomend going with a longstanding debian-based distro.

They've been around forever, they're geared towards desktop use, and are just generally nice to setup and use.

I've been using Kubuntu for all of my software development needs for several years now and I'm very happy with it

Or just Debian itself

[waxen pendant]

I currently have mint

And I used backtracks way back when it was Ubuntu based

[waxen pendant]

Mint seems to be a nice balance of ease of use and customization

[dire igloo]

what about pop!OS in that regard?

[waxen pendant]

I had no specific issues with pop. Im just rotating and trying a bunch of things currently

[twin dew]

Ubuntu with COSMIC desktop

With Ubuntu forks/subvariants, it is mostly about what exact desktop manager is used.

[glossy glacier]

I heard COSMIC is still very much in development and a very buggy experience

My Opinion:
CachyOS is the new kid, cutting edge distro. So expect the best performance but also weird bugs and inconsistencies.
Mint is the old guy, trailing behind but offering stability.
Ubuntu is a middle ground, trailing the cutting edge but leaving a bit of space so they don't suffer all the bugs. Largest community for support.
Personally i would recommend Ubuntu or Fedora.

[dire igloo]

where do Fedora and Arch fit in this comparison?

[twin dew]

Both are rolling release distros, closest Ubuntu/Debian equivalent is Debian Sid (Debian Unstable).
Where Fedora acts as equivalent for RedHats commercial offering.
Arch is that way from want.
Cutting edge all the time, following upstream releases of everything instantly, but stuff can just break on any update from interactions between upstream releases of different components etc, and there are constant updates.

Debian has that Sid, where stuff goes first (also there is then full Experimental for individual packages in some cases).
Then after no issue reports for two days, the packages get moved to Testing.
And every about two years Testing gets finalized and moved to new Stable (LTS).

For Ubuntu, they mostly take that Debian Stable, base LTS release on that as their LTS, and then twice a year release non-LTS release based on then current Debian Testing.
And then the various Ubuntu derivatives usually just use the latest Ubuntu LTS as base and put their own stuff on top.
Sometimes also releasing those in-between versions.
Mint is somewhat weird as they don't follow Ubuntu cadence, and so they lag behind.

And for Debian Stable, major software versions are mostly locked in if possible for that specific major version.
Only getting minor updates and if necessary backported security updates.

Leading Debian Stable to have significant lag from cutting edge, by design.
Using Debian Stable for desktop isn't that usable for most part because of that, Debian Testing is better for that, but then you can get those breakage issues from "just" two days of testing in Unstable.

Current Debian Stable is 13 Trixie, released last fall.
Current Ubuntu LTS is 24.04 Noble Numbat, based on Debian 12 Bookworm.
Next Ubuntu LTS is 26.04 Resolute Raccoon, coming out in 2026-04-23 by current plans, based on that Debian 13.
And latest current Ubuntu non-LTS is 25.10 Questing Quokka.

And sorry, Mint does follow Ubuntu LTSes, with about three month delay.

But doesn't do versions of those non-LTS Ubuntu versions.

[waxen pendant]

Good to know.

Mint is the version I have liked the most so far. But im still trying out

[twin dew]

Lot of people like Cinnamon AFAIK.

And on plus side, Debian as distro (and also Ubuntu etc.) is designed to be upgradeable from major version to major version.
And even the issues that Kekw had with that IIRC told in the circular dependancy error message how to fix the issue he got into.
Unlike some of the other large distros which expect you to reinstall instead.
Of course rolling release distros go around that because there are no major versions.

He just didn't run the command again with the provided extra argument.

No idea what he had run to get into that state.

[waxen pendant]

Interesting.

[glossy glacier]

Fedora is the one arch distro I have used/have installed.
I think its a good "install and run" distro with minimal tinkering required. Possible yes, but not required.
Also the distro of choice of Torvalds himself

[twin dew]

Fedora has nothing to do with Arch.

It is the rolling release feeder distro of Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

Based on Red Hats RPM toolchain, not Arch Pacman

Debian (and Ubuntu etc.) in turn use deb packaging with APT toolchain.

[glossy glacier]

Its not arch? My bad then

[twin dew]

It is the go-to if you want to work with RPM toolchain, and want that rolling release cutting edge distro type.

Where then CentOS was the free non-rolling release version, and Red Hat Enteprise Linux is the paid for supported one.
With now other projects having taken after CentOS after Red Hat killed it.

Then there are IIRC also distros that take the "chaos" of Arch, and try to turn that into non-rolling releases.

Ok, sorry, Fedora isn't rolling release, that was just the Fedora Rawhide (equivalent to Debian Sid)
Just short release cycle like the Ubuntu non-LTSes.

Basically there are three major families of distros based on those package toolchains.
Debian deb (Major subtrees from Debian directly and Ubuntu as Debian follower that has its own major subtrees.)
Red Hat RPM (Subtrees from Fedora / RHEL, openSUSE)
Arch Pacman (With subtrees from Arch)

and then stuff like Gentoo and Slackware that do their own thing.

Ok, need to count Gentoo and Slackware into the major families too, so five in total.

[waxen pendant]

What are the differences for the first three major distros you mentioned

[twin dew]

The families are based on those package format and package management tools used.
Gentoos and Slackwares had been used in significant amount of subdistros, which I wasn't aware until I looked into it.

[waxen pendant]

Lynx?

Well once while camping i woke at dawn to piss. All cloudy eyed I walked into the woods to pull out my equipment and watered the tree. As I do so I look around to see a lynx staring at me not 1 meter away. 😐

I pack my equipment and slowly walked away lol

[twin dew]

dpkg & apt (Debian) (with deb packages)
rpm & yum/dnf (Fedora/Red Hat) (with rpm packages)
pacman (Arch)
emerge (Gentoo)
pkgtool (Slackware)
(Three last ones don't have unified file format postfix)

[waxen pendant]

When I was in public school (kindergarten to 6) we used dos shell and windows 95,

[waxen pendant]

Ah

[waxen pendant]

I thought they maybe purpose focus like red hat maybe enterprise and security focused

We used that too

[twin dew]

That comes in the individual distros, not the family.

[waxen pendant]

Gotcha

I know what you ment. I was just playing stupid lol

[twin dew]

And you often have distros with similar focus, based on different toolchain/family.

As in Linux land, among longer time users, you select first based on the family you are familiar with, as that makes moving between individual distros much easier for most part.

Moving between families is much harder and needs way more relearning.

[waxen pendant]

Thats why I currently have mint as I havent used linux in 20 years and I recognized Ubuntu

[twin dew]

But in your case, it wouldn't have mattered, as you didn't know about the workings of any of them.
Point is that the internals between distroes of same family are pretty close for most part, and using same package tools etc. makes large parts of the upkeep the same.

But moving from one toolchain to another is much harder.

[waxen pendant]

Ah thank you

I appreciate the info dump.

[twin dew]

This is about the command line side and where global file stuff lives etc.

The GUI side is mostly about those desktop managers in turn.

If you don't drop down into the command line side, the family doesn't matter as much.

But does affect even the GUI package managers of course.

[waxen pendant]

I have a 1tb ssd kicking around so I use that.... all my m.2 slots are full

[waxen pendant]

I will be. So ill likely keep to one family

[glossy glacier]

Drive mounting is just assigning letter in windows

That's an unending battle

[waxen pendant]

Lack of consumer protection in the tech sector.

[glossy glacier]

Imo the best windows experience you can get is with windows server.
All of the features, lest of the BS

[waxen pendant]

Im a socialist.

I want ppl to be taken care of.

I want people not to live paycheck to paycheck. I want people to be able to take a sick day without fear of there life collapsing

I want homelessness to be a choice not forced on you

Ive been homeless twice.

[glossy glacier]

unable to take a sick day
Sounds American to me

[waxen pendant]

We can take sick days here in ontario but its legal here to fire people for no reason as long as you pay them minimal severance. Honestly its easy to get around that. Employee protections over the last decade as been heavily degraded over the last decade.

Coast to coast canada varies heavily.

Newfoundland and labourdor, nova Scotia and Quebec Are east coast. British Colombia is west. Everything else is sandwiches in between.

The territories are another thing entirely.

Better in some ways worse In other. Ontario has been very right wing for a long time which has had a heavy effect on consumer. Employee, and tenant protections

I do to.... for now.

Many conservation areas are within walking and cycling distance.

[pure karma]

its ok cause atleast they make funny songs

[waxen pendant]

So do bluegrass singers. But at least I can understand them.

As a Canadian whenever I go to Ottawa or anywhere in Quebec what bothers me is not French. Nor English. Its the common practice there to switch between the two randomly often mid sentence

[pure karma]

i love doing that 😂

probably not

[waxen pendant]

I bet you would spit on me too for saying Quebec wrong lol

[pure karma]

nah i hate quebec too

i dont know either

[waxen pendant]

Ya, they bought a lot during covid with hopes of a rich person from the UAE would by them. That fell through so they fractured Embracer into several companies under the embrace umbrella to focus on profit for each sector.

[tall forum]

satisfactoryblueprints.com/blueprint/72a43acf-786c-4d42-a10d-125c4dc70013

[olive yarrow]

linux is the best!!!!!

star wars is better, lol

[shell anchor]

what a stupid thing to say

[olive yarrow]

I take it your not a star wars fan?

uh, I don't know what you mean?

[night girder]

star wars definitely has ups and downs. But so does star trek 😄

Jar Jar Binks is one of the most annoying characters though.

[waxen pendant]

Darth Jar Jar convinced the senate to give Palpatine extreme war powers. He was the true villian

to be clear i havent seen that movie since it was new in theaters so i could be miss remembering lol

[night girder]

I tried to rewatch it once, I couldn't.

Just straight skipped the movie and continued watching the rest.

[bronze jasper]

Drunken Master force fighting

Since the Sith have the rule of 2, he has to remain hidden

[languid gulch]

trek=possible near futureish.
wars=high tech fantasy opera.

different domains & genres, so i treat them differently

[bronze jasper]

I waited 14 hours in line to watch the Midnite premiere of phantom menace. What an event!

[short marlin]

Kinda tech
Bought a new flashlight a few months ago

And I can tell you. It's bright AF

Accidentally turned it on in my backpack, burned a hole into it

[waxen pendant]

i was there ....27 years ago. I saw it at the Brand new theatre in the area lol

[bronze jasper]

I saw it at the same ghetto Cineplex I saw turtles 2 and mortal kombat and so many other big events at. Lot of memories at that hole

[pure karma]

i cant relate

[waxen pendant]

Haha I had one of those too. The oshawa center is where i saw all those classic. The last fim they showed before shuittering was hot fuz

[pure karma]

if i have to wait in line for more than like 10 minutes im out

[waxen pendant]

modern times you dont have to. you just pick and reserve yyour seat online

[pure karma]

we dont have fancy shieeet like that here sadly

its still old school just show up and buy a ticket

sometimes i wish i would live close ish to a big city but then i remember i have breathable air here

[bronze jasper]

The line was actually fun as fuck. I was walking past and saw the line and went and chatted to some guys playing risk on the side walk, then ended up deciding to join

[short marlin]

No. Why u asking?

Sometimes.
Mostly for work though

[visual tree]

I literally had a nightmare of this robot today while sleeping https://youtu.be/lnDP902qeqw

It was chasing me in my own house lol

[languid gulch]

stupid question: does anyone make either a:

• half ATX-width PSU so you can put 2 side by side
• ATX sized double guts PSU

[dire igloo]

I feel like there's something specific you're trying to achieve here and instead of asking for help with the project, you ask for help with the attempted solution

[languid gulch]

lol

more of a longer term idea

possible double system in a single case

but i don't want it to be an absolute physical monster

[short marlin]

FSP Twins Pro 900W

[languid gulch]

that's a "2 into 1" reduntant single

i'm looking for a "2 but the size of 1" type

[short marlin]

Nevermind.

[languid gulch]

kinda close tho

[short marlin]

What's the size of ATX and SFX?

Maybe you could mush together 2 if the SFX is small enough

[dire igloo]

Thing is: that idea needs you to have double 24-pin and what not.
So it's not really about having the power, but having all proper outputs

[dire igloo]

Might introduce mounting issues tho

[short marlin]

Nothing a 3D printer couldn't solve

[languid gulch]

or a side-rail one mounted normally & a standard one mounted sideways with a C13 extension or something wonky

[dire igloo]

I've dabbled into that idea myself from time to time.
Ironically, the planning stopped before I even concerned myself with the practical issues (mounting two MBs, having two coolers, needing two PSUs, etc)
What I ended with was the realization that I couldn't think of a usecase for myself that would be appropriately served by a dual PC

[languid gulch]

just skipping the creativity & brute forcing a full fat dual ATX thing?

i have thought about it

[short marlin]

Can be 2 SFX aswell.
That way it's a bit smaller

[dire igloo]

I mean, with the right case, you could remove the HDD cage and mount a second PSU there

[dire igloo]

Also much more expensive tho

[dire igloo]

Still has the issue of dual mainboard.
Cooling would be solved with AIO and enough fan mounts.
SSDs are nvme, so ezpz on that front.
But then, what about GPU?

Oh and when deciding mainboard placement:
how do you access the IO?

[short marlin]

I have a funny story about a PSU aswell

[languid gulch]

double sided, right system mobo upside down 🤣

[dire igloo]

I don't know a single case that can do that

[languid gulch]

both with vertical GPU mounts to save on total case width

[dire igloo]

Also: IO would point inside

[languid gulch]

i've now trapped you all into helping me engineer a new case format

[short marlin]

Cable was blocking the switch
And I can't change the cable because it's an internal cable connected to the case itself

[dire igloo]

Wait, no it wouldn't, me dumb

[dire igloo]

I'd say find an adapter or extension cable, but I'm 95% sure that's an SFF case and it wouldn't fit

[short marlin]

Ain't a case in the traditional sense
But Lian Li DK07

[languid gulch]

lol

[short marlin]

Not exactly SFF
But relatively small

Still mATX Boards

Lian Li A3

[languid gulch]

fuck it, i'll just weld 2 Phanteks cases together

[dire igloo]

Yeah, still very compact.
Let's be real tho: even if the cable didn't block the switch, the PSU mounting position would make the switch inaccessible

[short marlin]

Hold on.
I might have the perfect case
Thermaltake Core V21

You can just stack them easily

[languid gulch]

oh if i was doing that i'd just buy 2 of those new Silverstone retro ones

[languid gulch]

FLP01

[short marlin]

Nahh.
You just need to remove the front
And for that you need to remove 1 side
And you need small fingers
Wouldn't exactly call it accessible

[dire igloo]

Does the cable keep it suspended in that weird in-between position or can you put the switch to "on" and leave it there?

[short marlin]

Was able to push it into the on position after modifying the cable a tiny bit with a knife

[dire igloo]

That sounds like something you shouldn't actually do with a power cable

[short marlin]

Don't worry
It was just a millimeter I had to cut off

[twin dew]

There are ATX-24pin splitter cables to allow one PSU to supply two MBs.
One is in control of the PSU and second is always on when the primary is on.

[twin dew]

And you shut down the slave MB:s OS before shutting down the main MB:s OS.

[waxen pendant]

For some reason I just got jumper pins flash backs. Setting my secondary drive to slave and connecting up the ida cable

[pure karma]

computer slavery is crazy work

[pure karma]

another day another gpu hang for team green 🫡

[waxen pendant]

they have been really dropping hte ball since there $1tril evaluation. its like they dont care about sonsumer grade products anymore

[pure karma]

oh yea

im at 193 logged driver coruptions now

[soft bloom]

wait wait wait...
updates?
steam updates?
game udpates?
windows updates?

[soft bloom]

I guess it is game updates

also I have like 12GB in appData/Local/AMD/DxcCache

[soft bloom]

overall having 40GB AppData folder seems like something is wrong

[waxen pendant]

CAll of duty configs are that big lol

you wana see wrong. I only have discord, and Firefox using ram really

[glossy glacier]

or just some WSL instances

[waxen pendant]

this is after i restarted. My Windows has a memory leak issue from the latest patch. When i got home it was at 34gb

[soft bloom]

also, 12gb pagefile while windows settings say it should be 4gb?!
something's funky

[waxen pendant]

im not to concerend i have a backup image from not long ago and im slowly testing linux distros

[soft bloom]

and steam is a liar
I see 2GB recording folder

[tall forum]

@waxen pendant

[waxen pendant]

?

[tall forum]

im thinking of getting speakers do you know any CHEAP good brands?

my budgets already cooked from the 9070

[waxen pendant]

Well....... you can get used Mackie cr3-x-3for pretty cheap used.

They are 3" studio monitors. I regularly see them used for $40 or less. I think they are around $200 new in canada

I have a spare pair in my closet

[tall forum]

surely send them

[waxen pendant]

They my backup

Ive blown the capacitors in them once. But the replacement was 30cents for 20 of them. I needed 4. Super easy solder

[waxen pendant]

If your budget is poached just by some corsair headset for cheap. Mine was sub $50 new. Two birds on stone.

[tall forum]

ok thasfvbnmks

[waxen pendant]

Anytime.

[oblique hamlet]

I highly recommend Arch Linux

[waxen pendant]

any reason Arch over a debian family member?

[oblique hamlet]

rolling release

[waxen pendant]

im leaning towards Debian as i have some experience (alothough 20 years outdated) with Ubuntu

[oblique hamlet]

i would also advise using ventoy so you can try a few without having to reflash the card

[waxen pendant]

thanks!

[twin dew]

Which I would count as a minus for non-linux-familiar person.

[twin dew]

And seems Microslop is now using AI for Windows translations... With as expected fuckups...

Senseless translations and trying to translate bits that shouldn't be translated.

[glossy glacier]

Worse than the already spotty mtl?
GG AI

[twin dew]

KB# -> kt#.
Interpreting the microsoft update identifier start as kilobyte and translating as such.
"Update price ..." as the update name.

When translated back.

With wrong inflections in Finnish.

[twin dew]

MS used to use actual in-company technical translators...

[visual tree]

Never buying asus laptops again. They have serious issues with the hinge design....

Both laptops have webcam issues when you tilt the screen and now the second laptop screen turns off after few minutes even if you don't tilt the screen

Connected the laptop to external monitor and it outputs the screen just fine which means the hinge is pinching the cable somewhere....

[twin dew]

Doesn't need to pinch.
Just the back and forth movement will break the strands over time, as copper work hardens.

Issue over time with any laptop.

[visual tree]

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't remember hinge issues were very common in older laptops

It's like every new laptop hinge is terrible no matter if it's cheap or expensive laptop

[twin dew]

Been issue for 20+ years.
Just that most laptops were never used long enough.

Of course cheapening has happened on cheap laptops on that point.

[visual tree]

I was planning on trying lenovo as next laptop brand. Hope they are better than asus

Not to mention asus will remove laptop drivers from their websites 5 years after the laptop model has been released

[twin dew]

One cheap lenovo laptops hinge came off from screen after about 4 months of use.
But that was more likely assembly issue.

Haven't had personally known hinge problems so far on any other Lenovo.

IIRC, at least not until the computer was 5+ years.
Don't remember enough about what manufacturers laptops I have done hinge repairs to over the years.

<@&387163995947270144> Another scam image spammer

[visual tree]

@twin dew Completely dissassembled the laptop and the screen screw plastic holders are falling apart like you mentioned

Basically, everything plastic is falling apart

And the cmos battery shows 1,5v on multimeter. Not sure if it should show 3v

[twin dew]

Often you can epoxy the stuff back together, if the damage isn't too great yet, and you have enough left to get the metal inserts back into right positions.

[visual tree]

At least the hinge feels a little smoother. Like it wasn't properly seated before

Also didn't notice screen wiring damage so I am not sure what's causing the screen to go out after 5 minutes or if you tilt the screen more than 90 degrees

No visible pressure on the wires

[twin dew]

Not visible externally when the strands are gone from just movement cycles.

[visual tree]

Also having some driver issues so maybe the motherboard is dying

Not to mention hdmi port not detecting external nonitor even though nvidia drivers have been installed

Specs say my laptop should use 3 volt battery so I assume the cmos battery is also causing issues because the clock sometimes looses sync and multimeter says the output is around 1,5 volts

[twin dew]

<@&387163995947270144> new spam

[twin dew]

When RTC starts resetting, that tells that CMOS battery is almost dead.

[visual tree]

Yeah. Not sure if almost empty cmos battery can cause screen issues too. At least, I never heard of that

[twin dew]

But that is just another to be expected issue on old laptop.
Just from the open-close cycles of screen causing the copper strands to break where they turn and twist with each such cycle.
With no marks on the insulators.

Or from same cause that makes that HDMI port not work.

[visual tree]

Guess It's better to buy a new laptop in a year then because the one I have is so old it might die soon anyways

The one problem is that laptop prices will explode by then....

Btw, remember how we talked about fuel prices a week ago because of middle east? I managed to refuel my car for €1,44 per L and now the price is €1,46 for petrol but it's going to increase even more

[pure karma]

there always like 50% off during summer so buy then

[visual tree]

And I bet merchants will now have an excuse to raise store prices too

[pure karma]

i always see 1000+ $ laptops sellign for 400$ off and more even

[pure karma]

i love firefox cause they make a fool of themselfs in the funiest ways

the maths not mathing here

[mental oriole]

you have a background crypto miner in a tab or wth?

[bronze jasper]

it says 43% total usage. i'm not sure what mozilla has to do with that. that's task manager's error

firefox has new ai in it so everybody is mad at them now. still the best browser

[jagged snow]

Yeah, that's a task manager bug

Been around for ages
It seems like it'll report 100% gpu usage on apps with hardware acceleration enabled under certain circumstances

[pure karma]

first time iv seen it but yea atleast this time its cosmetic unliek the ram usage bugs of my previous experiences

[glossy glacier]

try enabling the "gpu-module" column, probably some video related usage

[rustic panther]

You can turn all of that off which is nice

[visual tree]

Nostalgia 😄

I loved playing with this as a kid

I haven't seen this in the last 15 years though

[tribal kraken]

D5 (EKWB branded) water pump bearings done. Bought this used, unknown hours

Ran it for 14 months 100% pwm on my loop

2021 model it seems

[twin dew]

Previous user possibly ran it without fluid at some point?

[tribal kraken]

No idea, it felt little odd when starting first time. Needed a litte hit to get going. There could have been some dried debris in the bearing

Its a dual pump loop, works with one but not amazing flow. I had a spare D5 pump from watercool.de. This was mounted to the external MoRa3360 radiator and can be swapped without draining in 10 mins. Disconnect quick couplers, remove pump from the rubber damper and turn reservoir upside down, swap new pump.

Drop it to 70% pwm and see how long it lives

[twin dew]

But somewhat likely the previous owner had a leak that caused it to run without fluid, and was the reason why it was sold, as the user moved away from water cooling as result of the leak.

But seems I will be ordering cheapish new X550-T2 network card soon...
Seem to have entered general EU supply channels at some point.
Starting from around 125e.
And might even be real, as Intel ARK now lists them at $106 for recommended customer price.

For my firewall computer.
To consolidate bunch of 1Gbit/s interfaces to one 10Gbit/s with VLANs.

[waxen pendant]

Easily turned off for those of us that do not wish to partake

[pulsar thorn]

Any recommendation of upgrade for my XFX 6700 XT ? (France)
i'm thinking of transfering my 6700 XT of my gaming desktop to my laptop setup (eGPU) ; my laptop is powerfull enough to not bottleneck the 6700 XT
but what graphics card do you recommend for replacing my 6700 XT ?

[glossy glacier]

not much choice if you want to stay with AMD -> RX 9070 XT or RX 7900XT(X)

[visual tree]

@languid gulch Do you even need an oven/stove at your home? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ityH-KsHOmc

[languid gulch]

good god i haven't seen john hook in a while

i mean, yes, it's still a standard

i have baked cookies in a car before tho

[visual tree]

My best online clips are people's shoes melting while walking on the road lol

[visual tree]

At this point, I would be so worried about the engine catching fire 💀

[languid gulch]

🤣

it's a honda, kinda hard to kill

waiting for the first "hot day" in the next couple weeks

you can tell because of all the tire treads on the sides of roads

people let the pressure drop in their tires, then it gets hot out, the underinflated tires get too hot & the adhesive melts

fully round, perfectly intact treads will be everywhere

[visual tree]

I hope I won't need AC here until I get rid of chronic sinusitis because AC can dry out your nose

[languid gulch]

yea, just gotta get used to drinking a lot more water than you think

[visual tree]

Good thing I usually come to the office only on Monday and Tuesday because people keep turning on fan convectors to max

Although just opening multiple windows sometimes helps

[languid gulch]

there's jokes about it being a dry heat, and it is, but i'll take 100F here over 85F and 70% humidity

[night girder]

What?

Am i looking at the wrong meter?

[languid gulch]

lol

125F outside temp

[visual tree]

125 Fahrenheit = around 51 degrees celsius

[night girder]

outside!

Engine temperature. Doing fine.

like 60% before you should worry 🤣

[languid gulch]

oh yea, gas engines don't really care all that much

[night girder]

Eh ... with some decent cooling 😛

but you will cause damage.

[languid gulch]

3.4L honda. almost as famous as the vtec

[visual tree]

Sometimes paranoia is a defense mechanism which can protect you 🤣

[night girder]

I always keep my eye on the temperature of the engine so I know when I can hit peddle to the metal!

Don't want to blow up cold engine.

[languid gulch]

i love my Bolt. don't really have to care about any of that anymore 🤣 it's a 2 ton hot hatch

[visual tree]

My parents will get mad if I forget to put windscreen sun shade on my car when I leave it in the parking lot during summer

[languid gulch]

you can tell the people from out of state because they'll have a black car

[visual tree]

Not to mention my car will sometimes have trouble starting the engine if it's too hot outside

[languid gulch]

i do keep gloves in my car

mainly because oven mitts make it hard to steer

[visual tree]

I wanted to make a BMW joke but you would probably kill me if I do

[night girder]

Yes.

[languid gulch]

ngl i love the look of the early 2000s 3 series

[night girder]

I knoiw right?

[languid gulch]

the newer ones just look too sterile

[visual tree]

I hate the oversized grill on new models

[languid gulch]

giant pignose

[night girder]

lately in love with the e30

would put on some other tyres though.

and not red.

🤤 someone in the village has green e30. So jalous.

[visual tree]

I guess you could say e30 started Rimac's career: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AHStDMhDvE&t=37s

[languid gulch]

lowered wagon is still such a classic look to me

but i know i'm weird because i'm also a fan of the Subaru Baja

[visual tree]

At least you didn't mention Fiat Multipla. My mother keeps comparing that car to a dead turtle

[languid gulch]

oh god that thing

so trash it wasn't even allowed to be sold here 🤣

[visual tree]

I bet they are teaching designers in school not how to design a car based on multipla

[languid gulch]

i think the 500 was the first "real Fiat" allowed to be sold here once Chrysler got absorbed into them

[visual tree]

Interior is even worse

[languid gulch]

idk if it was ever sold in the EU, but i was legit looking at the Mazda5 mini minivan at one point

not really a minivan size, more like a slightly tall sedan, but with sliding rear doors

[visual tree]

Fiat Multipla interior literally looks like it was designed by an online AI image generator 🤣

[night girder]

No!

[languid gulch]

or like the drafter sneezed on the paper

[night girder]

multipla is an insult to humanity.

[visual tree]

Agreed 🤣

I know AI generators which make prettier car interiors lol

[languid gulch]

www.carsized.com/en-us/

have some fun with that site

[visual tree]

Some SUV's are so big you have to pray a child doesn't walk in front of your SUV on the parking lot because you won't be able to see small children

Although modern cars have sensors

[languid gulch]

2005 US Honda Civic vs current GM 3/4 ton pickup double cab

[visual tree]

Compared Cadillac to my Seat Leon

[languid gulch]

even the cyberfuck isn't close

[visual tree]

I think I might have OCD because that cybertruck polygon is very annoying to look at

[languid gulch]

nah, it's just a fucking hideous monstrosity

[visual tree]

It's like Musk woke one day and decided to give a middle finger to symmetry

[languid gulch]

my Bolt vs my dad's Yukon XL (Suburban equivalent)

before he retired and ditched it asap 🤣

[languid gulch]

lemme see if it has more bed space than my car with the seats folded down

barely. 67 cubic feet vs 57

[visual tree]

I drove chevrolet once as a 1 week replacement my dealership gave me while they were repairing my car. Don't remember which model it was but I was in fear for my life because the braking distance was so long and I thought I was going to die in that car from slamming into other cars 🤣

Or maybe that car brakes were really bad

[languid gulch]

can i ask where you live?

[visual tree]

Croatia

[languid gulch]

ah ok

yea chevys in europe suck ass

[visual tree]

Not really popular here tbh

[languid gulch]

my Bolt is the Opel Ampera-e in the EU

[visual tree]

Most popular american brand here is Ford I think and they are making some decent models recently

[languid gulch]

Chevy's really only had a good reputation here with its V8s

[visual tree]

A lot of companies here own some type of Ford van

[languid gulch]

so trucks/SUVs & sports cars

ngl i love the Transit

sucks that they killed off the Transit EV

[visual tree]

My company has a lot of Ford transits for ISP technicians

[languid gulch]

it's a great cargo/utility vehicle

[visual tree]

Better than Opel Combo crap

Although I am not used to driving vans because I can't see the blind spot

[languid gulch]

we used to have something that kept the Transit from coming here for like 20 years

[visual tree]

Guess it takes practice

[languid gulch]

the ASTRO

sat on a truck frame, and you could throw full size 4x8 sheets of plywood in the back, between the wheel wells

it rode like absolute shit, felt like you were gonna roll it every time you went around a corner

but nothing beat it for cargo

[languid gulch]

the honda Odyssey minivan here has a blind spot camera mounted under the side mirror, which to me should be standard in every vehicle

it's not even offensive looking. unless you're super short you don't even see that there's a camera there

only kicks on when you put your turn signal on, so it's not even distracting

i'm legit looking at doing something like that for my Bolt, because its blind spot is awful

[night girder]

and then people surprised we got parking lot issues

[languid gulch]

ok on that my Bolt has an absolutely incredible boot camera

it's like 170 degree fisheye

also i'm extremely thankful i learned how to drive "the old way"

manual transmission, no cameras

[night girder]

same, atlough manual is out my muscle memory a bit.

did it last year with a rent car, and it went "fine" and the terrain was super spicey for me, mountains and hills.

[visual tree]

I hope my company is getting rid of Opel Combo because they really suck. Had this one some time ago when I needed to visit another office:

[languid gulch]

oh same 🤣 idk if i could do it after driving an EV for the past couple years

[night girder]

And I am not used going from stop to start on a steep hill with manual

but automatic. Now that's easy.

pedal all the way to the floor, and you go up the hill with ease 🤣

[visual tree]

Now Imagine this on an underground garage exit. The trauma I had....

[night girder]

but if you don't know what you doing manual, you will roll down the hill 🤣

I have to admit though. I did it the bad way. (using the brake, and release once you feel the car moving forwards) 😄

was a rent car anyway 🤷‍♂️

Only on steep hills though.

[visual tree]

My coworker recently got a new company vehicle. When I heard it was Hyundai i20, I was skeptical at first but it's actually decent to drive except the annoying speed limit warning you have to turn off every time you start the engine

[languid gulch]

my dad's yukon had a front end proximity sensor that had both a beep and a seat vibrator. guess what he didn't tell me about first time i drove it

[visual tree]

He is head of the department now and getting a management vehicle soon. Pray my department gets his "old" car (hyundai i20)

I once worked for a boss that was so bad at driving it's a miracle he didn't crash thanks to his Mercedes

I can't remember how many times Mercedes did an emergency braking because my boss wasn't paying attention

If he bought a standard car, he would have crashed by now

[languid gulch]

it really is shocking how bad some people are at driving when they're good at something else

[visual tree]

I like automatic emergency braking but I heard they sometimes have issues with phantom cars and brake for no reason which worries me tbh

[languid gulch]

i haven't had mine kick in yet

but the lane departure thing has happened to me when i wasn't actually drifting

apparently those lines of asphalt patchwork can reflect enough light to look like lane lines

[visual tree]

Ugh, I hate lane assist because it forces your wheel to stay in fixed position

For example, if you drive on a slight curve, the lane assist might think you are leaving the lane and won't let you rotate the steering wheel

[languid gulch]

mine did swerve for me and saved both itself and a dumbass kid on an electric bike

[visual tree]

This is a huge safety hazard imo

It's dumb how you sometimes have to turn on the blinkers so you can drive on a curve even though you are not leaving the lane

Line assist still has some issues and I don't really like it tbh

[languid gulch]

what's even more annoying is when you're pulling up to an intersection that's not square, you put on your blinker, and then you turn the wheel just enough to kick the blinker off

[visual tree]

I have a different problem. My motor skills are so bad that my sloppy fingers turn on the wrong blinker 🤣

And confuse other drivers

[languid gulch]

my car before the Bolt was an old Civic, and my new blind spots are the A pillars with how thick they've gotten

that & the huge honkin' sensor stuff where the inside mirror is. i'm on the tall side and if i don't kinda hunch down a little in the seat, i can be blind to people at my 2 o'clock

[visual tree]

I have this issue with my car atm. Need to be careful because there is a blind spot because of the A pillar

[languid gulch]

we need more cars with the little porthole window forward of the mirror

ya know what, fuck it, gimme the Adam West Batmobile

full 360

[night girder]

The real one.

I think it looked cool in the movies. Especially the gimmick that there is also a bike inside it.

The batpod, that sit in the middle of the batmobile.

or somewhere... can't be the middle with the tire 🤔

[languid gulch]

definitely some great set design

modern take on the ridiculousness of the original batman

[night girder]

Yeah, I think it was a good modernization of Batman, the triology movies.

[languid gulch]

"of course he'd be prepared with a backup motorcycle!"

[night girder]

And I do respect old school batman too!

It's not easy bringing something "old" to a "modern" audiance and not fuck it up.

[visual tree]

The nighmare of every IMAX camera 🤣

[night girder]

Change too much. Change not enough. Both can lead to backlash.

[languid gulch]

i'd love to have been in the room where they were brainstorming idea for it

[night girder]

Somewhere in America: "Misiles. MISSILES EVERYWHERE. And a drone. And a minigun. Also, the engine is a nuclear power plant. Oh, and it has to have a bike inside it."

[visual tree]

The actor driving a batmobile managed to destroy two 500.000 $ IMAX cameras lol

[languid gulch]

adam west batman: campy
tim burton batman: campy & dark
chris nolan batman: dark

[night girder]

I didn't know that.

[languid gulch]

i appreciate how much of that trilogy was practical effects & not cgi

[visual tree]

Correction: the first camera was not destroyed by the batmobile https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nJ7RzTVuDYo

[night girder]

I think Chris Nolan hit it. I read a few batman comics. And there is a very dark batman universe.

Like ... holy shit dark.

I think Robin is even crying at the start, because his parents got killed, and batman just slaps him and tell him to grow up or something.

Batman is just ripping him apart when they met 🤣

[languid gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBJNzLo3HYQ

[night girder]

And batman is just, "don't give a fuck" 🤣 Grow some balls Robin.

I loved that comic, it's a bit alternative universe of batman. Very well received.

[visual tree]

Imagine a movie budget being so high that destroying a camera is called "collateral damage"

[night girder]

All Star batman comic for anyone interested.

[languid gulch]

you can tell with the 3rd one that they were trying to get Joseph Gordon-Levitt to be the followup, but it just never happened

[night girder]

but I do agree, Batman is an oddball.

He only has gimmicky toys. He aint even clever like Tony Starks.

And yet he can fight superman 🤣 (alien/god)

[night girder]

So was Tony Stark 😄

And Tony has the fusion core around his hearth to keep pulling away shrapnel from his heart right?

Batman just has trauma.

So from that perspective, it's funny to see other heroes mock Batman sometimes.

[visual tree]

It's funny how we used to compare Musk to Tony Stark in the past and now he is literally a villain

Guess you really do become a villain if you live long enough

[night girder]

Or lose your marbles.

[languid gulch]

nah

[visual tree]

I think he also lost something else in his head too lol

[languid gulch]

it's just how long you can prevent the public from finding out you're crazy

[night girder]

I went to a play this week and one of the characters said; "What if we gained enough wealth? Start trying to gain more power."

And it made me think, if money is no longer a goal. Because you have enough of it. It's not that far fetched some people aim for power.

[languid gulch]

from my observations, once you have "enough" money, you start spending it to stop others from having as much money as you

[night girder]

Elon literally bought his way into the white house, don't want too get too deep into it. But that's what I read in the news.
And well that story ended with him out of the white house again 🤣

Owning X (Twitter) is also a power move in my book.

[languid gulch]

oh yea, but someone like him does that in order to pay off politicians to stop them from doing things like increasing the minimum wage or mandating certain benefits

[night girder]

Agree with this.

[languid gulch]

yea but not on his part. remember, he got most of the immediate purchase money from the saudis

[night girder]

It's two things feeding eachother. Power and money.

[night girder]

Then again. Kushner is allied with Saudis. So somebody wants to control the narrative of the platform more 😉

Or saudia arabia, I don't know.

[night girder]

It's crazy how much they bought up recently. Or investing in.

In a record-setting $55 billion deal, Electronic Arts has been acquired and will go private, the move backed by Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund

[languid gulch]

all that oil money from the rest of the world has to be spent on something

[night girder]

Yup, also EV's 😊

So better invest it in services than raw materials. One is unlimited the other one limited.

[visual tree]

Since Kushner is going to back paramount's offer and probably take WB, guess I'll lose access to my 30% lifetime HBO Max discount....

But HBO Max content is also going downhill tbh

[night girder]

Lot are worried that's going to happen.

[visual tree]

Guess I'll have to try amazon prime and Apple TV

[night girder]

my amazon prime experience wasn't bad.

it just has a few gems. Once you've seen those eh ...

Netflix, while I think the quality of the shows went downhill, still produces the most decent content compared to Amazon Prime. In my experience.

[languid gulch]

i've never actually paid for any streaming service 🤣

when i've used them it's always sitting down and watching it with someone who does have one

[visual tree]

My parents seem to enjoy IPTV more than streaming services lol

[languid gulch]

plus there's basically nothing super attractive to me about much content made today, at least not on streaming platforms

the good stuff (to me at least) is usually available for free

[night girder]

I feel the same. But there are a few gems still. Or shows that give me hope not all is lost.

Really depends on what you enjoy tbh 😄

[languid gulch]

some stuff hits too close to reality to make me want to watch it

[night girder]

Understandable.

I am watching Young Sherlock atm, new show.

Guy Ritchie worked on it. And I really think his work is dope.

[languid gulch]

my dad hated watching Napoleon Dynamite because he grew up in a small town & it was just way too close to his experience 🤣

[night girder]

I went to a comedy show this week.

last 45 minutes was talk about wars ... and current political problems. And it wasn't even jokes anymore. Or not funny.

I swear, I think 50% of the people left depressed.

[visual tree]

If you want to cure depression, go to a comedy show whose host uses dark humor

[night girder]

You think you would escape reality for a bit and get hit in the face by a comedy show 🤣

but it was non stop war talk. Iran. Gaza. Ukrain.

[languid gulch]

you know things are bad when comedians need to take a break

[night girder]

Honestly, he told us he would improvise.

And I think he was more reflecting his own personal mental state on the stage.

But I mean, you don't have to drag us all down when we come to escape the real world. Why else go to a comedy show? 🤣

[visual tree]

I recently read a dark humor joke about how some guy went to his abusive boss funeral, kneeled near his coffin and whispered: "Who's thinking outside the box now, boss?"

[night girder]

I would open a newspaper if I needed that.

[night girder]

Anyway, what you said "something hitting you too close" made me think of it.

Actually you are so correct 🤣

When clowns have a mental breakdown, we know the state of the world.

[visual tree]

"When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king. The palace turns into a circus."

[languid gulch]

jesus christ

'76 Cadillac El Dorado

[night girder]

Ah El Dorado.

[languid gulch]

2.28x longer 🤣

both coupe

[night girder]

Yeah, nice car to look at.

Don't want to own or drive it.

[languid gulch]

i call them Land Yachts

[night girder]

Also something I consider sometimes.

I don't mind the more "compact" cars.

[pure karma]

i dont know what car i want tbh

i either want something massive or tiny

[night girder]

John Cooper 😏

[languid gulch]

my family's had a variety. small to big, good to shit

[night girder]

So expensive though.

[languid gulch]

i tried to sit in one in november at the car show

couldn't fit

[night girder]

gotta put the chair backwards

[languid gulch]

188cm is too much for it

[pure karma]

the headlights are too goofy but its definitely a cool car

[languid gulch]

the instrument panel is fucking crazy in it

[night girder]

Yeah, round round round.

That's mini. Everything is ROUND.

[languid gulch]

and nothing in front of you

[night girder]

head up display?

[mental oriole]

I'm guessing that's also round?

[night girder]

I prefer having it in front of me though

middle is weird.

[mental oriole]

How about making a round car next?

[languid gulch]

i think it's projected onto the dash in front of you

[languid gulch]

fart in an Isetta and you've got it

[mental oriole]

🤣

[night girder]

Golf GTI interior.

looks like a big display.

[languid gulch]

i know it's just a footrest but that looks like the world's biggest clutch pedal

[night girder]

I was thinking same

"Huh, it's not an automatic? Oh wait, that's the footrest!"

[languid gulch]

what in the Dr Seuss

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-EsDOAPsjY

[visual tree]

At least it's better than Jeremy Clarkson's car

[night girder]

Huh 🤔

[languid gulch]

lol

1986 Dodge Omni. absolute garbage base, but then Carroll Shelby got his hands on it and threw a 2.2L turbo in it

[night girder]

never seen that

I though it was a knock off

[languid gulch]

built to compete with that original generation of hot hatchbacks

175hp

[night girder]

not bad

explains the extra intake on the front

[languid gulch]

oh yea, intercooled too

great sleeper car because of how crap the base models were

we had something local here for a couple years, almost looks like AI

ElectraMeccanica

[night girder]

🤮

Front starts "normal" and then it goes WTFFFFF.

the back got squeezed.

Btw, the Omni you posted was it the GLH-S version?

Because I read there is only 500 made of it.

[languid gulch]

yea, but you could turbo a base one aftermarket

[soft bloom]

Speaking of curves - we have to mention "bio-inspired" design

[pure karma]

i want to roll it down a hill

[languid gulch]

normally or like sideways

i'm seeing the english cheese wheel hill chase thing but with microcars now

[cold tide]

and you consider that a positive or negative aspect?

im not seeing a lot of physical controls

[twin dew]

Writing firewall rules for router with 5 networks isn't fun...
But this is what choices can lead to.

[twin dew]

Well, the hard part is when I try to limit the allowed cross-talk between networks and to internet to minimum, instead of the more standard "everything out to Internet is allowed"

[night girder]

https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat 41K ⭐

[twin dew]

WAN with three interfaces (two in bridge and IPv6 tunnel).
Four LANs (LAN, DMZ, IoT, Guest) with five interfaces (two in bridge).
Going overboard? Yes.

[night girder]

If anyone wants to nuke some AI in Microslop

Not sure "Align taskbar icons to the left. (W11 only)" is a feature for the script.

Might be a leftover for when it wasn't a feature in W11.

[twin dew]

Because it just sets whatever registry key saves that setting?
You just get it set without manual clicking as part of the package.

[night girder]

What?

[twin dew]

Before that setting was option in Windows 11 directly, you couldn't get it without alternative taskbar software.

[night girder]

1. It's an option inside W11 to set icons and tasbar aligment to left.
2. Then why is it a feature in a script? The whole point of the script is to do what windows does not allow us to do
3. That's why I said it's probably a leftover for when it was NOT an option in W11.

[twin dew]

Lof of the stuff is allowed to be done.
Just pain in the ass, point is to automate setup.

[night girder]

Right, thanks for saying what I was saying 🤣

Eh, script is debloat, mostly popular now because AI slop.

[twin dew]

Instead of having to do million things by clicking.

[waxen pendant]

My laptop is now suffering from the invisble start bar issue lol

my home PC has correct its memory leak issues though

both windows

[night girder]

And it made me aware of things I didn't even knew about running on W11.

"Disable Click to Do, AI text & image analysis tool. (W11 only)"

What is that even? Click to d, AI text and image analysis tool?

Disable AI Features in Paint. (W11 only)
Disable AI Features in Notepad. (W11 only)

🤣

Microsoft: Sweat blood and tears in developing "new" "features"
Community: instantly nuking that stuff.

[twin dew]

At least 2/3rds of the stuff in that System Tweaks image are in the various settings menus.
But real pain to ass to go through manually.

[night girder]

Let me check scripts.

[twin dew]

No need to painstakingly go through all the settings yourself or remove apps one by one. Win11Debloat makes the process quick and easy!

[night girder]

Win11Debloat is a lightweight, easy to use PowerShell script that allows you to quickly declutter and customize your Windows experience.

just a bunch of regedits.

Actually interesting to see how much telemetry there is in registry.

[twin dew]

Yes, it automates stuff, but everything is either actual settings you could do manually, inside Settings, Control Panel, or in specific programs internal settings (2/3rd?).
And rest is stuff you could do manually with regedit, or command line.
But pain in the ass to remember everything every time, and do manually.

[night girder]

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Speech_OneCore\Settings\OnlineSpeechPrivacy]
"HasAccepted"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\InputPersonalization\TrainedDataStore]
"HarvestContacts"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Personalization\Settings]
"AcceptedPrivacyPolicy"=dword:00000000

; Send only Required Diagnostic and Usage Data
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\DataCollection]
"AllowTelemetry"=dword:00000000

; Disable Let Windows improve Start and search results by tracking app launches
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced]
"Start_TrackProgs"=dword:00000000

; Disable Activity History
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\System]
"PublishUserActivities"=dword:00000000

; Set Feedback Frequency to Never
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Siuf\Rules]
"NumberOfSIUFInPeriod"=dword:00000000
"PeriodInNanoSeconds"=-

; Disable personalization of ads, Microsoft Edge, search, news and other Microsoft services by sending browsing history, favorites and collections, usage and other browsing data to Microsoft
; Disable required and optional diagnostic data about browser usage
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Edge]
"PersonalizationReportingEnabled"=dword:00000000
"DiagnosticData"=dword:00000000

[night girder]

Yeah, I am not sure about that.

You don't even use home edition windows I think, which is a total different beast at this point.

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\InputPersonalization\TrainedDataStore]
"HarvestContacts"=dword:00000000

What setting is this in Windows?

[twin dew]

Just installed new Windows 11 Home.
Where I did lot of the stuff included manually, except disabling basic telemetry as that isn't officially disablable in Home.

[night girder]

And yet it's turned on at registry level 😉

[twin dew]

Ok, have to check that one then...

[night girder]

I mean, if you want to blindly trust windows at this point that settings do 100% what we think it does ...

but I don't ... not being paranoid. They just incompetent.

Just think the whole OS grew way above their head for them to properly maintain.

So on the surface it all works, but once power users dig underneath the surface, it makes no sense.

Apple is facing the same issue btw.

[twin dew]

Probably inside that People app that manages Windows level contact store for Outlook etc.
Which I don't have installed anymore.

[night girder]

e.g.

10 fucking years later and still they have control panel living next to system settings.

and meanwhile they adding AI features to Paint 🤦‍♂️

"We really should do this, but AI is just low hanging fruit and way easier to do than what we NEED to do". As a developer, this pisses me off.

[twin dew]

That HarvestContacts has been there since at least 2018, in Win10 too.

[night girder]

Nothing wrong with having two systems next to eachother and building one system slowly down so it can be replaced by another.

but having them next to eachother out of fear to do the real work and pull it out... ugh.

[night girder]

Well you said it was ink and improvement 🤷‍♂️
Internet says the same.

Just the name alone... HarvestContacts make me ponder about privacy and security.

[twin dew]

That was educated guess based on rest of the location.

And do note, I said that 2/3rd can be done in normal settings.
And rest needs regedit or like.

[night girder]

My point is transparancy and trust, and MS doesn't have either.

[night girder]

my point is, do you trust them? You think if you turn something off in settings, it's all turned off?

[twin dew]

And how can you trust that any of those regedits does anything either if you go into that?
As they are just settings storage for the actual code.

[night girder]

lower down the chain than settings.

[twin dew]

Also, in several cases the registry flags are inverted, that 1 means disabled and 0 means enabled.

Sometimes visible from the registry setting name, sometimes not.

[night girder]

I had the documentation open and it said 1 = enabled.

and if you really want to be sure, wireguard and read network traffic.

Or what was it called again.

Wireshark!

www.wireshark.org/download.html

[twin dew]

Doesn't help with SSL traffic.
And cannot find any MS documentation for that key, just various third party sites and scripts.

Basically editing that setting has been in the scripts since at least Win10 debloaters/telemetry killers and 2018.
Not going to look fully to see if there is even older stuff.
Might be just dead setting left in at this point that doesn't do anything.

Ok, found 2015 one with same.

Or might be active right now.

[night girder]

learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/remote/remote-desktop-services/remote-desktop-services-vdi-optimize-configuration

add "HKLM\Temp\Software\Microsoft\InputPersonalization\TrainedDataStore" /v HarvestContacts /t REG_DWORD /d 0 /f

Pretty sure that 0 is disabled. Makes no sense if it's not.

[twin dew]

And might be related to that handwriting style learning, as in pen contacts or like.
Which would be logical to be disabled for remote desktop as performance tweak.

[night girder]

If it's "OptOutOfFeatureX" and it's 0 than it does mean you are not opted out. But that is derived from keyname.

[twin dew]

And found out what that does.
Adds names from your contacts (including full Outlook) to that personalized dictionary, even when that dictionary is off.

[twin dew]

So that Customized dictionary has names from my Outlook 2024 in it, and they repopulate even when I click to clear that dictionary.

Even when that custom inking and typing dictionary is off.

Set that registry setting to 0, but not going to relog right now.

So only leaks information in case you have that other toggle on to share that "training" data with MS.

So basically sane dictionary improvement, that turns into privacy issue with that other telemetry option existing.

[night girder]

And this is just one. Of the many... many toggles.

Like I said, the OS grew above their head. It's impossible for anyone working at MS to know all the ins-and-outs of the OS on code level.

[wanton orchid]

do you think once I'll recover from latest bullshit in kernel storage pipeline, I'll finally be spared from loosing time on stupid bugs ?

[night girder]

Linux? 😏

[glossy glacier]

No

[twin dew]

Now to make a new list of destination ports that normal Windows computers spam outwards connections to, that shouldn't be sent to Internet in any case.
Like NetBIOS, SNMP etc.

Or maybe I will just block all the low ports, except the ones that are still commonly used on Internet...

Outwards.

[pure karma]

That and its too old for anyone that worked on original code in the early days to still be doing so

that and im sure there is tons of useless outdated code all over the place

[sharp matrix]

Thats the fun part, because of how massive the OS code base is over at MS, nobody over there even knows about this either

[bronze jasper]

I thought any NAT on the network will prevent ports from being opened up wide to the Internet by default. That's what port forwarding was for before upnp

Generally the ports you have open on your local network shouldnt be exposed to the Internet unless they're configured to be forwarded

[twin dew]

That works for stuff coming in from Internet.
I'm blocking stuff from going out to Internet.

The high-port stuff was the various auto-discovery services like SSDP, WSD, mDNS, LLMNR etc.

Even when (almost) all of that stuff should just not get routed/forwarded anyways by default for being multicast in first stage.

Only stuff I have had to actually allow inwards is certain ICMP(v6) types.
But most firewalls are just set to allow everything out to internet, and everything between local LANs, I'm doing much more strict settings for most things.
LAN and Guest have the common stuff allowed out to Internet low-ports, and everything but specific things allowed out to Internet high-ports.
But DMZ and IoT will have very strict rules for outgoing things, and traffic between LANs is also blocked beside few very specific things from specific main LAN computers to specific DMZ and/or IoT MAC & IP & port combinations.

For example the firewall computer itself is only allowed to connect to DHCP, DNS, NTP and HTTP(S) on the Internet, and only to specific IPs for each.
For example that HTTP(S) is only to the actually configured Debian package servers, not any other IPs.

And computers on the LANs are only allowed to connect to it for DHCP and DNS.
SSH is for now allowed from single MAC & IP.
And it can connect to another internal DMZ VM for UPS-status with NUT and to internal mail server to send status emails.

[twin dew]

Also remember that if you have IPv6 connectivity, that isn't usually NATted, and often has no firewall in the router unless manually configured.

Leaving all the devices fully exposed by default.

[glossy glacier]

No firewall for v6?! What weird router/firewall did you see this on?

[twin dew]

Somewhat common to not have it on by default.
And one Huawei had IPv6 on by default and didn't even support IPv6 firewall at all.

So I had to turn that IPv6 support off.

TP-Link Omada ER605 business wired gateway for long time didn't have IPv6 firewall support either...
And seems same was true for lot of their consumer routers but no personal experience.

[glossy glacier]

Weeeird

[twin dew]

Just result from never really having IPv4 firewalls either, as NAT "handled" that.

There is a reason why IPv6 takeup is taking so fucking long, as all the equipment makers have delayed adding working support to their HW/firmware for so long.

So the backend HW at ISP networks is taking ages to be upgraded to new models with support.

[glossy glacier]

This probably

[twin dew]

But for example that ER605, it had configurable IPv4 firewall from start.
At first nothing on IPv6.
Then it seems to have gotten default deny-all-in IPv6 firewall to mimic IPv4 NAT.
And then later hardware versions finally got configurable IPv6 firewall too in last 3 years or so.

[twin dew]

This one was the commonly provided 4G-router in Finland for multiple years for one of the three mobile ISPs.
So by default IPv6 was supported by the mobile ISP at that point, and it was enabled by default, with no IPv6 firewall support at all.

[glossy glacier]

IPv6 is only, what, 27yo at this time?

[twin dew]

Still waiting for Telia to switch to actual IPv6.
They seem to be completely fine with just using 6rd, which is DHCPv4 configured IPv6 in IPv4 tunneling solution...
And not even planning going native IPv6.

[glossy glacier]

Still disappointed the router/firewall/UTM we sell our customers doesn't support RA configuration and just sends empty DNS config in it.
Fine on a Duelstack environment, fatal in a v6-only network

[visual tree]

I'm throwing this shit in the trash can since I hate it so much:

Bought a bottle with pressure control and it's 10x better than the crap above:

You hold the bottle and press a small button/tip in order to release saline solution

[night girder]

A few weeks ago on a different discord, we had the same discussion. And someone recommended this one.

They also tried a lot and claimed that one was legit.

[visual tree]

I wonder how that one works

Oh, the principle is identical as the bottle above. The design is just different

The first image (neti pot) is an abomination and the design is so terrible. There is always some saline solution left and it's difficult to find a proper head position in order to rinse your nose

Another issue is that almost nobody sells the bottle here and I had to order it from Amazon.....

Everyone is either selling neti pot or neilmed small bottle which is overpriced and waste of time

[night girder]

Well, from what I remember.

They all had issues with the other contraptions like neti pot.

And the one with the salt, the one I posted, wasn't crap. But I have no experience.

Was just there during the conversation between a bunch of people with nose issues.

[visual tree]

The one you posted is fine and works the same as a bottle

If you ever have sinus issues, run away if someone tries to sell you neti pot lol

[night girder]

you also get some salt with it.

[visual tree]

I now have more than 100 salt satchels 🤣

[night girder]

I am preaching to the choir.

[visual tree]

Prefer buying 500 ml of saline solution which is only 1 euro

No risk of infection or amoeba eating my brain lol

[night girder]

Fuck, google is reading this conversation.

🤯 How did it know. Two separate devices.

[visual tree]

Might be cookies somewhere tracking activity

I actually get this often

[night girder]

😄

I think it's coincidence. I am into F1. Was looking up how new season is going.

Heard F1 in 2026 is not that fun anymore.

[visual tree]

Just realized you were joking 🤦‍♂️

[night girder]

Cars are slower because of energy saving rule.

[visual tree]

Slow brain 😅

How much does 1 l of petrol cost where you live btw?

It was €1,44 on 1st of March, now it's €1,46 or even more

[night girder]

Max Verstappe was already pissed off 🤣

[night girder]

A lot, people are using jerry cans.

[visual tree]

Economic analyst here said oil companies raising prices is unjustified and he would be happy to see their price calculation

[night girder]

www.motorsport.com/f1/news/max-verstappen-calls-on-fia-to-take-action-against-f1-2026-rules/10803371/

Many drivers are not a fan of that - in particular Verstappen, who during pre-season labelled the new regulations as “anti-racing” and like “Formula E on steroids” - a stance echoed by many.

[night girder]

Pumps are even closed here and there.

[visual tree]

They are trying to regulate F1 cars like everyone drives them on the road

Btw, took me a decade to recently realize Spar is dutch chain of supermarkets lol. Always assumed it was german because of the name

Even my parents were surprised

[night girder]

Haha 😄

Delhaize is Belgian.

[visual tree]

Becase Spar = Sparen

[night girder]

No, "Door Eendrachtig Samenwerken Profiteren Allen Regelmatig"

D E S P A R.

"By working together, we all profit regularly".

https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spar_(supermarkt)

[visual tree]

Don't know dutch but there are so many german sounding words in dutch language which can easily confuse me

[night girder]

Logical.

Belgium is just everything that our surrounding neighbours are.

So we speak french, dutch and german. And english.

Our first King, they just send over a prince from the UK and said, you are now king of Belgium 🤣

[waxen pendant]

aw yes. the interbreeding of the European royals

[visual tree]

Wish we had E.Leclerc here like in France. Parents bought awesome cheese there while on a trip in Strasbourg

[pure karma]

fun

[visual tree]

We should give you a nobble name like "Letterdief von Gstaad"

[pure karma]

please no

[visual tree]

Even though everyone hates rich people from Gstaad lol

[pure karma]

i can barely remember how to spell his name already lol

[waxen pendant]

Even though everyone hates rich people from Gstaad lol

fixed

[visual tree]

Not going to lie, I would like to live in a snowy town in Switzerland though

[waxen pendant]

who wouldnt.

I want to and i live in a snowy town in Canada lol

[pure karma]

id like to live anywhere else than a snowy swamp with a endless supply of boats

[visual tree]

My parents have friends who work in Switzerland and visit us from time to time

And they bring us chocolate

[waxen pendant]

Growing up my grandparents had (war buddies) freinds in the netherlands. they sent use chocolate every year

[visual tree]

As long as it's not "Winterpeg"

[waxen pendant]

its not thank fuck

[visual tree]

lol

I would freeze to death there

[night girder]

Wait what?

[waxen pendant]

a friend is a Biological Researcher out there. he spent his winter snowed in at the green house making sure his experiments stayed alive

[night girder]

You from the US right?

[pure karma]

hard to have snow here when its been 10C+ for the past 3 days

[night girder]

How the hell were they sending chocolat, during WO2, from the Netherlands, to the US?

[pure karma]

already spring here

[night girder]

While it was the Americans. Bringing us chocolat in the first place!

[waxen pendant]

it is plus ten all week negatives with snow this weekend

[pure karma]

little bit yea but its just gonna melt instantly

[waxen pendant]

well it was Chocolate from the Netherlands to Canada in the 80's and 90's

[night girder]

Ah, makes sense 😄

[waxen pendant]

my granddad was 16 when he went to war in WW2 His biography (finished my my aunt) is Called "the boy who went to war"

[visual tree]

People used to smuggle a lot of goods here during Yugoslavia long time ago

[night girder]

Yeah here too. Over the border to other villages.

Not across a war ridden continent, accross an ocean, to a continent that is pretty much safe 🤣

[visual tree]

My dad smuggled NES and PSX in late 1990's from Japan and I was so happy

[night girder]

My grandmother did mostly milk and eggs, under her skirt, then she walked half a day to some villages.

Then half a day walking back. Taking unknown roads etc.

[visual tree]

Sorry, not PSX, PS1

I owned the original version of PS1

Redesigned version is ugly

[waxen pendant]

in my life time. My grandmum mostly smuggled food from the chinese buffet home.

WW2 brit mentallity i suppose. waste not

[night girder]

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Who-Went-War-Reluctant/dp/0312590792

So you grandfather was German? Wolfram Aïchele?

[night girder]

My mom still had a lot of pickled stuff in 2000-2010. All in Jars. Also a habbit from the war.

[visual tree]

Question: If my grandfather was italian, grandmother croatian, mother uruguayan and father croatian, am I technically speaking a "Mutt"?

[night girder]

You are human.

[visual tree]

Obviously 🤣

Although technically, grandmother moved from Croatia before WW2 to Uruguay and my mother was born there

A lot of my relatives moved to South America before WW2

[night girder]

A lot of people in general 😄

Weren't much options during WO2. UK got bombed constantly.
Europe was gone. Africa under siege. Asia was in Japanese hands.

[waxen pendant]

no Cape breton,

for some reason google is blocking the link to the auto biography. its a free download. ill have to ask my aunt why

[visual tree]

Chilean president has croatian roots btw

[night girder]

Yeah, I keep getting the book I posted. Searching on different search engines even.

[night girder]

You don't want to know what might be in your blood.

I am pretty sure I have spanish, french, german, belgian, dutch, and probablysomething out of the middle east in me 🤣

[visual tree]

Actually, I would really like to know

[night girder]

I don't care tbh 😄 For myself.

I am not a fan of thinking in boxes, that's why I said; you're human.

[visual tree]

All I know is that you shouldn't mix crazy croats with germans because last time that happened, we got Werner Herzog 🤣

[night girder]

Well inbreeding isn't good either.

[waxen pendant]

ya the link from genology was removed too. Maybe the author of the book you shared had issues as his is a published work for profit where My grandfathers was a free biography for all to read

[night girder]

Oh good point. Maybe the titles clashed.

And your family was like "not worth a courtcase"

[waxen pendant]

in any case he was a Sniper in the Itailian campaign

[waxen pendant]

honetly sounds like My aunt lol

[night girder]

most told the stories, just to pass on the terrible things that happened. And the beautifull things too (altough more rarely).
Not for profit. That was my reasoning why your family might pulled it offline. Just a wild guess.

[waxen pendant]

absolutely, in life he never talked about the war. he was scraed from head to toe not a word about it.

[night girder]

My grandpa was like the same.

But he was unlucky, because as a kid I had so many questions.

[waxen pendant]

same

[night girder]

And eventually he couldn't resist to tell me a few stories.

Now I am older, I understand why it must not been easy for him to talk about it to me.

But as a kid I had no idea of the actual... impact of the war on people... only when I got older.

[waxen pendant]

thats growing up

[visual tree]

My mother is a good friend with a person who owns a museum in Uruguay related to Andes 1972 plane crash. That was a really tragic story

[night girder]

To be fair, nobody in my family cares about his history.

All his memorabilia, pictures, medals, ... I have in his footlocker from the army.

[waxen pendant]

the only talk i had growing up about war experiences is that my grandmum rather liked horse meat and wished it was a option normally lol

[night girder]

That's dark.

[waxen pendant]

in hindsight absolutely. but i didnt get that as a kid lol

[visual tree]

Wait till you read about Andes 1972 plane crash with rugby players

"During the 72 days following the crash, the survivors suffered from extreme hardships, including sub-zero temperatures, exposure, starvation, and an avalanche, which led to the deaths of 13 more passengers. The remaining passengers resorted to eating the flesh of those who died in order to survive. Of the 19 team members on the flight, seven of the rugby players survived the ordeal; 11 players and the team physician perished."

[night girder]

I know about it.

And on the back of my mind, I also remember a similar story with a boat.

[pure karma]

so is most animal killing by that logic

[night girder]

Well there was a lot of horse meat, because horses were still used during WO2. Altough in a lesser capacity than WO1.

[pure karma]

honestly my take is if its dead do whatever you want with it, if you want to eat your horse once its dead then go ahead

[night girder]

So people went to recycle dead horses.