off-topic-tech

[soft bloom]

he wasn't realy ever doing in-depth dive
his goal was, for more then a decade, to be science communicator
he picked broader audience and with bigger team content is more entertaining without hurting the core of information presented.
for the goal set - I think it's a win.
and in this particular topic - imo it should be more broadly known, and highlighted how much open-source is not free in a sense that it is up to community to keep it stable and secure, maintainers have no obligation.

video is merely a reason to talk about topic

[twin dew]

And that channel today seems to be about click-bait scaremongering, not informing.

Lot of the subjects could use actual informative videos.

[wanton orchid]

sometimes, what you are calling "hardcoded automation" is actually using good heuristic models, what the r* label as AI for bullshit reasons
it IS used correctly, it is NOT LABELLED "AI"

[dire igloo]

I think that sums up why I no longer enjoy watching his videos.
The degree to which I get informed about the matter is just not up to my expectation.
I find it relieving to see someone other than Derek explain something because his presence just feels like dead weight to the flow of information

[wanton orchid]

the amount of "science" channels on youtube exploded
not the amount of science on youtube, only the science labelled channels

if you see only AI website when you do google search, it's not because people like it, it's only because these r* put it as first result, then claim most people click on it (there only that for the several first pages)

now youtube only show you shorts

[dire igloo]

imo, good science communication is built upon objectivity/neutrality. The point is to make science accessible and remove barriers that are keeping people from indulging in science.

When talking about the XZ backdoor, imo it's not a good start to tell people "the internet was weeks away from a disaster". While a realistic speculation, it is not actually adequate for the topic, especially not as an entry point.

[soft bloom]

Should I be concerned that when I connect live 12v dc cable to the optical->ethernet box i see quite a few orange sparks?
Or just not connect it live i guess

[waxen pendant]

Yes

[soft bloom]

On topic of if such content should or can exhadurate...
I don't like it either
But it seems that it is the cost to be paid to get attention of those who are not interested in the topic beforehand.

[bronze jasper]

i dont think this is a situation to just laugh at and pretend didn't happen. it's only going to get worse in the future because repositories won't be able to review all the code being submitted. What with vibe coding allowing attackers to make completely legitimate looking projects. The sheer volume of code that's about to be submitted to repositories is going to cause a few of them to shut down and restart with only verified account access.

using package managers is about to become like using limewire. risky.

it's important to highlight that using FOSS software isn't a magical security shield. It's bad opsec to assume you're safe in that land.

[dire igloo]

did you mean exaggerate? or am I missing a word in my vocabulary?

[bronze jasper]

basically, this is a real problem and it's only going to get worse and worse not. It's very important for people to be aware, and veritasium's video is about that kind of communication.

[dire igloo]

also: it's not the cost to be paid to gather people's attention. it's the cost to be paid to be doing it as a business
which I don't take issue with as long as the creator is clear about their priorities: they believe it's fine to sacrifice some accuracy for the sake of reaching more people.

and it's also fine to still like that creator as long as you accept those shortcomings as a means of doing business

[bronze jasper]

what accuracy is being sacrificed? And would you apply this same level of scrutiny to other channels, like gamers nexus?

GN exagerates constantly

[dire igloo]

I just don't like it when people justify the consequences of this algorithm-catering

[bronze jasper]

cool. i don't like anti intellectualism and blind fanboying over linux to the point where you can't criticize FOSS at all, even for real world DANGEROUS problems

[waxen pendant]

this is msi after burner lol its one guy in russia who MSI stopped paying during the russia embargo so it stopped getting updates lol

[dire igloo]

which is why I don't watch them either

[twin dew]

Lot of recent GNs "reporting" videos suffer from Steve not knowing anywhere near enough.

[dire igloo]

tho my main criticism of them is their lack of presentation skills, they just ramble about stuff too much (which I guess also includes their exaggerated rants)

[bronze jasper]

i updated to a new version last week

[twin dew]

They moved the development inhouse at some point IIRC.

But there was almost a year when there was no dev.

[waxen pendant]

ya he restarted when they figured out payment.

[bronze jasper]

my case in point, i use after burner and had no idea of any of this

[waxen pendant]

oh i didnt know that. when i saw updates i just assumed they figured out payment

[bronze jasper]

i dont think the embargo has lifted

[twin dew]

Don't know the details of current development, don't use so haven't checked.

[waxen pendant]

i just assumed they sent him crypto or something lol

[bronze jasper]

i think governments frown on businesses doing that to get around embargos

[waxen pendant]

All my pc's are Amd graphics (besides my laptop) so i have no need for afterburner anymore

[waxen pendant]

they do. But companies do all they can to make the cheddar

[twin dew]

Yeah, seems the development wasn't moved, just some way to get around payment bans to pay the guy.

[waxen pendant]

I am wise enough to know i dont know everything. The information i have on any given subject is not enough to be confident about. I just try to make measured thought out opinions lol

[soft bloom]

I am too certain that it has "du" but you are likely correct.
Funny how some words you mostly hear and not read...

[waxen pendant]

@bronze jasper having someone pudsh back and make you check your facts is infact a good thing

[bronze jasper]

i'd love if the whole world understood that

[waxen pendant]

the problem is that many people come across as a asshole while doing so and some want that efffect

[bronze jasper]

ioliolioliolio. i'm a big fkn asssshollle.

🎶

[waxen pendant]

I'm pretty sure I have undiagnosed mild autism as social queues have been always hard for me. So i try to assume that peoples comments are in earnest criticism not a attack. helps keeps things calm and managed ^_^

[soft bloom]

I don't agree it only relates to business.
Just that when views are monetised, directly or not, it is an incentive.
But usually it still about growing audience (or rather catching completely new viewers, even if for just this time).

There's still a big difference between advertising some kind of science expo as "presenting effects of liquified gas interacting with organic matter" versus "we are going to shatter banana"
Because one is only understood and could be interesting to those who are in the topic, and other will get attention of almost everyone who isn't in the topic.
I know I draw this example directly from how universities collect future students, and they are technically business, mostly but perhaps in the smallest way possible (at least here)

[soft bloom]

I am not 100% happy with it either
But credit should be given for making topic more digestible to broader audience and bringing it up for those who missed (or forgot)

[dire igloo]

I hope you realize that "freezing and shattering bananas with Liquid Nitrogen" is A LOT more accurate and helpful as a title than "we are going to shatter banana" while not completely omitting the scope of the video

[bronze jasper]

i would suggest that if you're not watching the video and judging it based on the title, you might have a lack of media literacy.

Titles can only do so much. They're not there to give a synopsis of the entire video. They're signage

[dire igloo]

and I cannot imagine a creator saying "give me that second option" if their number 1 priority is good science communication

[dire igloo]

I am not judging the contents of the video because as I said, I haven't seen it.
I am familiar with the XZ backdoor, allowing me to judge the video's title by itself.
The rest of my criticism of Veritasium is based on other of his videos

[bronze jasper]

i would think that anyone who wants to hear good science communication, would have more media literacy than entertaining a thought terminating cliche at sight of a video title

people who don't want to learn will not. Science communicators can't change that unfortunately

its clear to me that you're not judging the video on the merits of the video, since you're hung up on a headline and only got that far

[dire igloo]

you can't seriously tell me that this is an honest attempt at science communication

[bronze jasper]

it's true. That was a bad episode in FOSS land. it happened. Why pretend it didn't?

[dire igloo]

if a piece of media intentionally withholds information in such a way that I have to click on it to know what it's about, then I possess enough media literacy to not click on that

[twin dew]

Especially using Tux in the image, and having that XZ get kind of lost in it.

[bronze jasper]

Should we deny that heartbleed happened too?

what about busybox?

[twin dew]

Trying to make it seem that Linux was hacked, not xz.

[bronze jasper]

Linux is more than a kernel. Tux represents a lot more than just the linux project.

[waxen pendant]

I like universe today for my Science and space coverage.

They use the Creative commons license for all there content as they just want to get information out.

there youtube channel (Fraser Cain) Thumbnails and video titles has been more click baity as of late but they are accurate and brings viewers to the yard

[bronze jasper]

if one component of windows was vulnerable with a full on back door, would people criticize that one component or all of windows?

[dire igloo]

I do not care about the topic of the video. I care about how Veritasium decides to present it to potential viewers

[bronze jasper]

yeah i know. you only got as far as the headline. Its extremely disingenuous tbh. Media literacy is dead

"i've never even played this game because i hate it"

[dire igloo]

meanwhile DeArrow:

[dire igloo]

I can't hate the game if I didn't play it.
I can hate the devs for presenting a game I'd enjoy playing in a way that makes me not want to play it

[bronze jasper]

a browser extension that edits the internet for you and changes content. hmmmmm...

no thanks

[bronze jasper]

oh durrr really? you can't criticize a game you've never played? WOAH...

Cognitive dissonance and media illiteracy go hand in hand it turns out

[dire igloo]

If I can't make it out of the tutorial, I can't hate the game for its gameplay or its story, but I can judge it based on the difficulty of the tutorial and/or the usefulness of the tutorial for the upcoming parts of the game

[dire igloo]

wdym with that last part?

[bronze jasper]

if i explained it i don't think you'd get it

[dire igloo]

if you enjoy clickbait, go for it. I'd rather make an informed decision about what content I consume.
there were a few times when DeArrow made the presentation worse compared to original thumbnail and title, but it's proven to be extremely useful to me

[dire igloo]

idk what you are referring to with cognitive dissonance and whether you're referring to me specifically or society in general

[vivid forge]

Hello!

Has anyone here experienced idle freeze instability in amd cpus? (i got a 5950x)

[waxen pendant]

no.... but im running a 5900xt still

[twin dew]

In what?

[dire igloo]

I'd expect communicators to present it as a component of Windows and not as all of Windows, yes
the defining factor can still be windows, but omitting the fact it's a component would be dishonest

[vivid forge]

sometimes when i login to windows and just watch my desktop the pc freezes and i get bluescreen something about watchdog

[twin dew]

Then you almost certainly have HW instability issue.
Either CPU or RAM.
If on XMP/EXPO/DOCP and CPU is at defaults, try with RAM on all-auto.

[vivid forge]

if i use it straight away and go into a game and load the pc it wont freeze, but as soon as i sit in my desktop without anything running it freezes

[twin dew]

Using Curve Optimizer?

[vivid forge]

no - everything stock - doesnt matter if i have xmp or not

i read something about C-State instability on certain zen 3 amd cpu but idk what that means xD

i tried using 1 ram stick and changing - tried using different slots on my motherboards aswell

[twin dew]

Turbo table at lower levels is giving too little voltage for the CPU to be stable at near-idle.
Either because the CPU is damaged, or because binning failure.

Or MB is doing something stupid.

Causing the same.

[bronze jasper]

update drivers for the chipset from the board manufacturer

[vivid forge]

it's just so wierd as i can be playing games for hours - 24/7 - but as soon as i idle the computer it freezes with watchdog bluescreen

[vivid forge]

Did that

[bronze jasper]

update fw?

[vivid forge]

fw?

[bronze jasper]

firmware

[vivid forge]

u mean bios?

[twin dew]

Motherboard BIOS/UEFI Firmware.

[vivid forge]

i didnt try that - last time i did a bios update i had to buy a new motherboard

[bronze jasper]

lol they are scary

[twin dew]

But basically you would need positive curve optimizer offset in the lower down range.
Or new BIOS might fix it.

[bronze jasper]

sometimes they help instability though. like something was patched such as the cpu is burning itself out (intel 13th/14th gens)

[dire igloo]

cherry picked examples to showcase what I mean
there are other examples which I consider to be good enough accuracy in title and thumbnail, like his video on jet engines
I initially wanted to use the asbestos video as an example, but it seems like the title and thumbnail have been changed to also mention asbestos

[vivid forge]

ok - i read something about beeing able to turn of "idling" on cpu so that it doesnt go in a "coma" - i read this in redit with people having similar issues as me - so i was hoping this was the solution- but i will read up on updating my bios thanks!

[twin dew]

That original asbestos title was so bad...

Another "World almost ended!" one.

[bronze jasper]

core parking is a thing but i dont think it's as big as a problem as some redditors preach it is

[vivid forge]

i'll try updating bios - my computer is 6 years old - same with my bios

[dire igloo]

yup, exactly - it was so bad, that it actually made me look up the video on my PC just to see what DeArrow said it was about

[waxen pendant]

jeez i feel old. I bought my 5900xt when it was new hearing that the refresh was six years ago ...... 💔

[bronze jasper]

if you can, find a youtube video of someone updating their bios that has the same board as you. it helps to be familiar with it start to finish

[dire igloo]

would be interesting to track changes to video titles and thumbnails through time, if he changes them later on to reveal the information to people who are looking through his channel

[vivid forge]

ill do that! thinking of using cpuz at the same time so it doesnt freeze 😂

[twin dew]

Don't do in OS, do in BIOS.

[bronze jasper]

i recommend doing the bios update inside the bios

[dire igloo]

basically: omit information short term to ride the algorithm, add it back later so people don't ignore it

[vivid forge]

watching a video i mean

[vivid forge]

yes ofc - i was thinking of the youtube video

[bronze jasper]

ohhhh just to watch the video lol.

some companies offer a way to update bios inside the os and i hate those

[vivid forge]

i have something called EZ flash

[bronze jasper]

i always stick my bin file in the root folder and my bios lets me look at any ntfs partition to load it.

[pure karma]

my laptop does it forcefully

[soft bloom]

More accurate - certainly
But it only does so much if the second one will attract much more people, who then can learn accurate info over why this spectacular effect happens.
Good stuff needs to fight for attention to. Not always that is appropriate, and has it's limits for sure.

[soft bloom]

Yeah ... But it isn't a far stretch, because the point they tried to make is that in the way dependencies are built, a good chunk of linux machines would be exposed.

Also, bless everyone holding longer before updating

[bronze jasper]

like i was saying, if one small component in windows was providing a RAT to attackers, would people say that component caused problems, or that windows has a RAT built into it?

For the layman, when a component is so common that it is in most deployments, it's basically a stock feature. xz is ubiquitous in the linux ecosystem

suggesting that xz isn't linux is actually the more misleading statement imo

[pure karma]

another M.2 has hit the MagicZ setup hehe

[dire igloo]

dang, SSD market do be kinda rough

[pure karma]

real

i saw some going for 700$

they doubled

yea i got 2 of these originally for 199.99 cad

just got this one for 385

[waxen pendant]

had to retract. I have the samsung 880

[pure karma]

990 pros were going for same price roughly 400

but i figured since i already have 2 WD drives that have proven reliable for the past 3 years may aswell stick to what i know

[waxen pendant]

for sure stick with what you know if its realiable

[pure karma]

time to install bimbows on it and figure out if its real or not

never know

its only running gen 3 speeds which is odd so better be safe than sorry

[dire igloo]

not ideal, but yeah, seeing the lack of decent alternatives and the number of partswaps recently, I can see why you'd want to stick to the known good stuff

[dire igloo]

might be lane sharing

[pure karma]

i had a 256GB in it but i put it in the pc i gave to my grandma to get her off a HDD finally

[dire igloo]

4.0x2 = 3.0x4

[pure karma]

nah no way nto with a B580

it should have plenty

[dire igloo]

it's a motherboard thing

not a GPU thing

and it depends on the specific slots, not the total number of lanes on the chipsets

[pure karma]

yea but the B580 runs by 8 not even 16 so it has all the lanes in the world

[dire igloo]

nope cuz even tho the GPU only uses 8 of its 16 allocated lanes, the other 8 can't be wired elsewhere

[pure karma]

well yea but if i check its running in x8 not x16

[dire igloo]

so if you've put the SSD into a slot that is set up to be shared with something else, you will run into that sharing, no matter how much else is free

[pure karma]

the other slot is slower tho?

[dire igloo]

you do know that PCIe lanes are a physical thing, right?
you can't just say "oh, my GPU isn't using all of its lanes, I'll use the rest elsewhere"

[pure karma]

the other M.2 slot is a limited slot intended for a wifi card or osmething alike acording to the documentation

so why would the main one be shared

[dire igloo]

once again. it depends on the specific mainboard and the specific slots you used
and also the drives you are comparing, an SN850X even at gen3 speeds will beat a gen4 SN3000

[pure karma]

i mean its not like im gonna max out there speed

but they dont hit advertised spec but then again nerver have i seen a SSD hit spec

[dire igloo]

it might not be shared with another m.2 slot and it might not be the main one.
if you don't tell me what specific mainboard you have and how you have populated ALL of its pcie connections, be it u.2, m.2, SATA or regular PCIe, I can't tell if you're lanesharing

[dire igloo]

because advertised specs are cherrypicked bullshit?
it's like using an infinitely long flat straight asphalt road to tell you what max speed your car will reach. meanwhile real world usage is grocery shopping and commuting to work

[pure karma]

z490 gaming X

[dire igloo]

there is some lane sharing configured for the m.2 slots with the SATA controller

hm, I wonder why the SSD is only running gen3 speeds

didn't expect your mainboard to be that old tbh

[pure karma]

its my secondary pc so since i need LGA1200 needed to downgrade

i reused my 10700F and just overclocked the ever living shit out of it

was cheaper than building new

[dire igloo]

all good, I just expected your machine to have a gen4 m.2 slot

especially with hardware prices rn, hella valid to be reusing old stuff

anyways, there's your answer: some lane sharing going on, but your speed limitation is caused by the mainboard

[pure karma]

bouta find out the numbers

[dire igloo]

not like they matter anyways

[pure karma]

my main ones only do 6000MBps so my expectations arent high but its plenty so yea whatever it is dosent really matter as long as it somewhat checks out

[dire igloo]

SN850X while comparably old is still a highend gen4 drive and will absolutely curbstomp anything on gen3

[dire igloo]

MB/s or Mbps? slight difference by like an entire order of magnitude

[pure karma]

MB/s

[jagged snow]

6GB/s is very good

For a real-world application anyways

[dire igloo]

that's lower highend gen4 speeds. beats midrange but not quite up there with the 7.5k on the actual minmax drives

[dire igloo]

I am 99% certain he's talking about sequentials

[pure karma]

yea its plenty but advertised is still 7.3GB/s so it not impressive when the bar is in bullshit delulu land

[dire igloo]

I highly doubt any drive can sustain 6GB/s in a real world usecase

[dire igloo]

the bar isn't set in bullshit delulu land, it's dreamt up from hallulu land

[jagged snow]

Am I misunderstanding?
I thought he was saying that's the performance he was seing on the gen3 slot?

[pure karma]

anyway the new one just hit 3557MB/s read and 3258MB/s write on crystaldiskmark so half of advertised

[dire igloo]

gen3 caps out below 4 GB/s

[pure karma]

which is fine i dont need that much anyway

[jagged snow]

Is that unidirectional?

Huh, apparently I was misremembering
I thought gen3 real world speed was around 1.8GB/s per lane for large sequential writes

[dire igloo]

Gen 3 spec is 8Gbps per lane, giving you 32Gbps for an x4 connection - or 4GB/s in an over-idealized scenario

[jagged snow]

Gotcha
Yeah, for some reason I was putting gen4 speed on gen3

[dire igloo]

you might be mixing Gbps and GB/s there

[jagged snow]

I think I was just one generation off

[dire igloo]

nvm, gen4 speeds makes more sense

cuz you missed by roughly a factor of 2

[jagged snow]

I was off by a factor of 2, not a factor of 8

[dire igloo]

yeah, I just saw 8GB/s per lane, not 1.8GB/s

[pure karma]

no on gen4 i got 6800 and 6000 on gen3 only 3500, 3200

[jagged snow]

That sounds about right

[pure karma]

because it is lol

[dire igloo]

anyways, gen4 drives theoretical maximum is 8GB/s and realistic utopian is 7.5GB/s, most highend Gen4 drives are advertised with sequentials between 7GB/s and 7.4GB/s

[dire igloo]

it also checks out with the specification

with a different drive you might only be seeing 5GB/s seq on gen4

[pure karma]

good to know the choke is the board atleast

i would have been confused otherwise before i probably found it

i dident think this board was only gen3

its just not something i checked because its not usually a problem

[dire igloo]

oh, yeah, also: filled drive reduces performance

[pure karma]

yea but i figured OS drive would be inacurate since its running

[dire igloo]

it isn't a problem now either

[dire igloo]

it's always inaccurate

[pure karma]

getting half of what you paid for is arguably a problem but its enough speed yea

3500MB/s isent gonna turn a system into a slog lol

[dire igloo]

except what you paid for isn't actually 7.5k seq, it's sustained drive performance, longevity, specialized firmware and idk what else

also DRAM cache but that isn't really relevant for your usage

btw, for comparison: my 4TB NM790

one of the higher end gen4 drives and depending on the usecase, THE best config you can get

MAP1602A+EET1A

oh, that reminds me: @night girder would you be willing to run Flash ID over your NM790?
I'm curious to see if there are new configs for it

vlo.name:3000/ssdtool/

start with Maxio, then Phison, then SMI, then Realtek
whichever gives you a result for controller and NAND

This is what Maxio Flash ID returned for me:

[glossy glacier]

what effects RND4K performance?
Does this come down to drive, filesystem or test software?
i never saw a result this high on windows

[dire igloo]

maybe. could also be controller, DRAM cache, NAND, firmware, idk
I'm not that far into SSDs as to tell you what those numbers even mean (aside from seq)

btw, what drive is that?

[glossy glacier]

samsung 990 pro

[dire igloo]

hm, proprietary controller, NAND and firmware. specs-wise, I'm clueless

[night girder]

Let me check what the .exe is

Maxio NVME SSD fid v0.37a by Ochkin Vadim
OS: 10.0 build 26100
0: (Lexar SSD NM790 2TB
Please select drive number:0
Drive : 0(NVME)
Scsi : 1
Driver : W10
Model : Lexar SSD NM790 2TB
Fw : 11296
HMB : 32768 - 32768 KB (Enabled, 32 M)
Size : 1953514 MB [2048.4 GB]
LBA Size: 512
Firmware id string[0C0] : MKSSD_100000000112963100,Apr 6 2023,21:26:01,MAP1602,1SSYBA4C
Project id string[080] : r:/1602-YMTC-X3-9070-SVN08705-Retail-SVN11296
Controller : MAP1602
NAND string : CYAxxTE1B1xC3B
NAND MaxPE cycles : 3000
NAND Freq : 2400
Channel number : 4
CE number : 4
Total bank : 16
Flash type : TLC
Blocks/CE : 2178
Pages/Block : 4176
Page size : 16
Planes(?) : 6
Die/CE : 1
HSPD capacity : 466
HSPD blocks : 15
Normal blocks : 351
List may not be complete
Ch0CE0: 0x9b,0xc5,0x58,0x71,0x30,0x0,0x0 - YMTC 3dv4-232L(x3-9070) TLC 16k 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die
Ch1CE0: 0x9b,0xc5,0x58,0x71,0x30,0x0,0x0 - YMTC 3dv4-232L(x3-9070) TLC 16k 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die
Ch2CE0: 0x9b,0xc5,0x58,0x71,0x30,0x0,0x0 - YMTC 3dv4-232L(x3-9070) TLC 16k 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die
Ch3CE0: 0x9b,0xc5,0x58,0x71,0x30,0x0,0x0 - YMTC 3dv4-232L(x3-9070) TLC 16k 1024Gb/CE 1024Gb/die

Press any key to exit or Space to open full text report
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[dire igloo]

Ayyyyy, you also got the goated config, welcome to the club!

[night girder]

I think it was you are GS (GoldenSoldier) who recommended me the SSD 😄

[dire igloo]

Might've been me, yeah. GS makes sense too tho

[pure karma]

Golden recomended WD to me so yea

[night girder]

He recommends whatever at the time of your question, is dope.

And David does the same ofc.

Also, will deliver the monitor next week to my nephew. Wonder what he thinks of it 😄 The one you recommended me Fireworker.

They said it would arive 1/03/2026 but iit's alreayd here. I guess that was just a overestimation from the vendor. All good.

[dire igloo]

I actually couldn't find it, dang

[dire igloo]

Oh yeah, right, I remember there was something.
I'm interested too, doubt he'll dislike it

[dire igloo]

Probably rec'd a specific model, not just a brand in its entirety, but yeah, that's good PC advice for you.
We not only consider the time of purchase but also the market you're in - GS wouldn't really be helpful if he sent you a link to a Dutch retailer that doesn't ship to CA for a part that's three times the price for you

[night girder]

He will be happy 😄 I know my nephew.

But I never expected the question "my TV screen is too big to game on. Can I have a monitor?"

but he will want a PC one day, so I think it's not bad to have a monitor. Even if it's older by then, might be used as second one or something

[waxen pendant]

maybe when he wants a pc it will not cost both his kidneys and your testacies

[night girder]

I was wondering the same. Would I even recommend it atm if he asks me.

It's hard to predict if prices will be higher.

[waxen pendant]

or if things crash and they are cheap but we all make nothing

[night girder]

buy a whole datecenter for 1k

[night girder]

It's hard to know. Not sure if it's still viable to build decent PC within a stricter budget atm.

[pure karma]

strict budget not really (atleast not cost effective) but you can still get a decent system with enough budget

[oblique hamlet]

i got 32 gigs of ddr5 + a ryzen 7 7700x with all compnents except gpu and ssd for $700 a couple months ago

[pure karma]

except a midrange GPU is over 1K now

[waxen pendant]

whats midrange these days?

rx 9070xt?

[pure karma]

70 class and basically the whole AMD linup ig since they arent competing anymore

[waxen pendant]

from what i can tell the 9070xt is around the performance of my 6900xt

which is a great gpu you can get used for a decent price

all my friends got 6800xt's for around $400 CAD used

[pure karma]

yea but thats used and anything other than the 9060 and 9070 arent really on the shelf anymore outside of old stock

[waxen pendant]

ya

just making the best of the situation

[pure karma]

its a solution to get by but getting anything new right now is tought at a low budget

i like the B580 but its low end and it ties or does worse my laptop with a mobile 4050

but atleast its decent value

[waxen pendant]

my laptop is a 10700h Intel processor. and a 3060

which in theory is good enough for POE2 but in reality not so much

[night girder]

might be the game 🤣

[pure karma]

it good but your not playing cyberpunk at high or better on that

[waxen pendant]

satisfactory runs great at 30fps locked

[pure karma]

unfortunate really

[night girder]

and poe2?

in high density zones with lots of mobs?

[pure karma]

oh ik i play at less than 10FPS and coping on FG on that poor 4050

atleast my main system holds 30 and better

or else id probably have quit long ago

[night girder]

also which graphic settings?

[waxen pendant]

poe2 is unplayable. some ppl would say it is fine with dlss but it makes it look so muddy i hate it so i just dont play it at all on my laptop

[waxen pendant]

1080 low for POE2

1080 Med with no upscaling for satisfactory

[night girder]

I understand people not wanting to deal with upscaling technology or not liking how it looks.

[pure karma]

honestly i dont mind it

but i think me using VA pannel monitors has a lot to do with it

there is no such this as a CLEAR blur free experience for me no matter what on VA

since any horizontal or vertical movement turns ot smear

[night girder]

if everything is already a smear 🤷‍♂️

[pure karma]

so framgen smear is just my norm

[night girder]

I just hope they can improve on the formula. The smearing/artifacts is sometimes very noticeable.

[pure karma]

smear can be good at making pixelation less of an eyesore by smoothing it out

the problem is when its too much and you get trailing

like in cyberpunk i love it because there a lot of noticably pixelated stuff like hair and it unpixelates it

[night girder]

I had it in satisfactory. With some leaves flying around.

Xess was weirdly, the best for me.

[pure karma]

Xess is interestingly good

it impressed me outside of not working at all sometimes

[night girder]

haven't tested satisfactory on the RX 9070 XT

[waxen pendant]

worked for the snes back in the day 😛

[bronze jasper]

the genesis used it really well too. the transparency effects were really good

all about it > rasterscroll.com/mdgraphics/graphical-effects/transparency/

[oblique hamlet]

I wish xess worked on linux

[pure karma]

it does tho?

atleast it partially did on linux

when it tried it it had to ocasional graphical issue but as a whole worked

[oblique hamlet]

those liars say it is open source. it is not

[oblique hamlet]

it doesn't with my intel a380

[bronze jasper]

well its not open source but people use it on linux still

[oblique hamlet]

according to intels forum using the xmx cores does not work

and there is no afficial support for that

[bronze jasper]

thats the neat thing about linux. there's probably some tool someone made to make it work. Its not unlike how most games dont support linux, but proton makes them work still.

[oblique hamlet]

yes

[bronze jasper]

https://github.com/optiscaler/OptiScaler

[oblique hamlet]

thanks

[vivid forge]

Hello people!

i just bought myself a new computer - with the Fractal North Charcoal Black Mesh
it only comes with 2x 140mm Fractal aspec 14 PWM fans in the front

im running air cooling on my 9950x3d so no radiator

should i be buying a exhaust fan to place in the rear? was thinking of a Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM

anyone have any experience with the original fans ? should those be changed out aswell?
and do i run any fans in the top? for optimal airflow?

any advice would be greatly appreciated! :)

[visual tree]

Netflix backed out and now Paramount might take over Warner Bros....

We got the worse of two evils

[bronze jasper]

The paramount offer is backed by saudis and son of trump

[dire igloo]

The only way I can imagine him relegating that monitor to secondary duty is if his new main is Mini LED or OLED.
I just can't think of another reason for a new main outside of HDR (and maybe size ig)

[dire igloo]

5070 may be midrange when compared to the system requirements of modern titles, but I consider it to be the upper bound of midrange, lower bound I'd put around the 5060 Ti

Also: AMD is very much still competing, just not in the halo product top tier class that the 5090 and arguably the 5080 inhabit.
Their 9070xt is still plenty powerful and priced quite fairly (well, it used to be, until the shortages came)

[twin dew]

son-in-law Jared Kushner, not any of the sons.

The go-to guy for any Saudi related corruption.

[pure karma]

letterdief said it well 70 class is on the lower end of the nvidia classes

[waxen pendant]

there waws a time when the 60 class was the midrange

[dire igloo]

There's still 30 and 50 which are usually the low end, 60 (Ti) and 70 for midrange, 70 Ti and 80 for high-end, 90 or Titan for halo

The fact that today's performance categorization no longer aligns with that is primarily thanks to price increases and neglected optimization

[glossy glacier]

xx30: iGPU replacement/extension
xx50: Office/Media, 2D Gaming
xx60: Low End Gaming
xx70: Mid
xx80: High End Gaming
xx90: More money than sense tier Halo Tier, Prduktion/Work

[pure karma]

On one hand id want a 6090 on the other its probably gonna burn down aswell so not really

[bronze jasper]

70s are low side of midrange. they're still pretty good. low end is like the 1660. and they'll probably make a new line of card that uses older processes to fill out the gaming market. something with the power of the 20 series but has dlss4 support

[jagged snow]

See, I'd argue that 70 series is high end of midrange

[bronze jasper]

i got a 4080 and feel like the high end of mid

[jagged snow]

Yep, I'd agree with that

My thinking is just that midrange includes previous-gen 70 & 80 series and current gen 60 & 70 series

A 4090 is still definitely high end

Honestly I'd lean towards saying 4080(ti) is high end as well

[bronze jasper]

this generation is kind of skewed too, since software has stagnated. There's not any new rendering tech or resolutions or framerate targets that need to be hit. the current generation of hardware can handle everything you throw at it, unless you go into the gimmicky 4k territories

hardware capabilities are just so far ahead of what games are demanding today

[jagged snow]

Yep
I have a 9070xt, and the pixel rates achievable without any upscaling are excellent

Most games run at 160-240fps at 1440p high

[pure karma]

I mean at 1440p im still dropping bellow 60fps regularly with my 4070ti but i could turn on FG in most cases still

[bronze jasper]

on satisfactory?

[pure karma]

Only thing i cant do is 4K decode

[pure karma]

Especially im down to high 20,s but thats a ram choke

Maxed out 32/32 on SF

[bronze jasper]

https://youtu.be/H7IWFu_-UZs?t=320 here's a 4070 on satisfactory. Your system lags somewhere else, not the gpu

[pure karma]

I literally just said its my ram

Theres a reason i was looking at 64GB kits before the shortage

[bronze jasper]

you can't decode 4k video ? your system has other problems my dude. 4070ti should handle that with ease

[pure karma]

Although i would run into a cpu cache choke soon after anyway

[pure karma]

Nope not in realtime full quality

[bronze jasper]

you're talking playback. just playing 4k video

[pure karma]

Yep

uncompressed playyback tho not YT and stuff

[bronze jasper]

it'll do bluray 4k fine. you're talking about production 4k that comes straight off a camera like 10bit HEVC

[pure karma]

Nah just obs recordings

gaming driver sucks at managing decode

might help if i swapped but its not worth the loss

[bronze jasper]

Intel has had quicksync since sandy bridge. just use cpu decoding. amd probably has similar media instruction sets.

[pure karma]

I couldent even do 480P 30 on cpu encode/decode

[bronze jasper]

is your memory mismatched or something? cpu decode shoudln't be that bad

[pure karma]

Nah 2x16 ddr5 6400

[bronze jasper]

unable to decode 480p is an issue. in 2004 i was working with 720p editing on a budget pc

something is constraining your bandwidth somewhere

[pure karma]

probably drives

[bronze jasper]

using an old 5400rpm hard disc?

[pure karma]

uhh sometimes although not old but its not maxing out at all

big stuff i so straight off my nvmes

[dire igloo]

What CPU?
XMP/EXPO enabled?

[pure karma]

My 13700K

[dire igloo]

Hm, that one should be able to handle 6400 MT/s

[pure karma]

It does but it has never liked it

[dire igloo]

Might be worthwhile to check BIOS for RAM OC settings anyway

[pure karma]

iv always had ram stability issues so idk whats the choke tbh

Probably old ram sticks

[dire igloo]

You had a pcpp list of that build somewhere, right?

I find it unlikely that it's old RAM

[pure karma]

Not pcpp or on hand rn but i can see what i can do from memory

[dire igloo]

I just need CPU, MB, RAM - but I need those exactly

[pure karma]

13700K
Gigabyte Z790 UD ac
trident z5 2x16 6400

Parts all from 2023

You know what it could be

Unrelated to ram but my gpu might not even be running x16

Since i have 3 other pcie devices

Found a pic here’s everything

those should be my curent ram settings

[bronze jasper]

you got ddr5. the "old" ram isn't that old. i'm using ddr4

3600

[pure karma]

Early gen ddr5 sticks

Is what i mean

there very unstable and low quality compared to the far more refined sticks of right now

[bronze jasper]

shouldn't be a problem tbh. i don't prefer ddr5 but it's not like it is problematic.

you might be onto something about the pcie speed

have you ever done memtest86?

[pure karma]

Yea long ago when i still cared to fix it

Passed everything everytime

I kinda just decided the conclusion was that there sinply riding the edge of stability and there fine but not always after a year of trying to figure out whats wrong

[bronze jasper]

if i were you i'd run 3d mark and make sure that i was scoring as high as other people with matching hardware

i wouldn't be able to rest

[pure karma]

Im not since my gpu is clocked the lowest of the models lol

and my cpu isent boosting past spec like most of 13th gen

[bronze jasper]

the boosted clocks from the reference model are not that important tbh. More of a marketing gimmick than anything else. Most of the performance gains come from new architectures

did you ever get your 13th generation fix ? the one that stops it from frying some of it's cores?

i think that doesn't cause performance degredation though. just stability problems when those fried cores are used

[pure karma]

Yea but i dont use it i use a better alternative

Same performance more responsive and less power draw

[bronze jasper]

i got a 12700k so i wasn't caught by those issues. i have no idea there were various fixes

i thought you would update your bios fw and called it a day

[pure karma]

Only 1 official but the official patch spec is so bad it makes my system freeze for like 1 or 2 seconds each time i click on anything cause its just that sluggish and bad

although i did confirm that my ram issues persist on the official default

I will check if my gpu is running in x16 tho cause i forgot i added more than just nvmes

[bronze jasper]

have you tried linux?

[pure karma]

not on that system no

[bronze jasper]

intel chipsets shouldn't do lane sharing shenanigans in the 13th generation. Using more devices shouldn't degrade your pciex16 slot's bandwidth

i say shouldn't of course. it might still becaues i don't actually know. i just figured the intel chipsets stopped physical lane sharing long ago

[dire igloo]

it's hynix, they are extremely consistent in their quality

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-your-honor-my-client-nuh-uh-gif-11334700374005151603

i wonder id my ddr4 sticks are hynix

[dire igloo]

maybe, but DDR4 variance is a lot bigger

[pure karma]

idk its some random hyperx 2933 sticks but there stable and responsive as hell in comparison

Granted on a whole different platform and cpu

[languid gulch]

when i was on my 1700X it was still early in my pc building days and i was trying desperately to get a 3200MHz kit of ram to run at 3200MHz

i definitely got one of those "barely a 1700X" because not only could it not do that, but i couldn't even get it to boost 100MHz OC

[bronze jasper]

was it 1600mhz and you didn't account for the double data rate?

[languid gulch]

lol nope. 2666 was really the functional max for 1st gen ryzen

[bronze jasper]

ahh

[languid gulch]

the mem controller on them kinda sucked, and even the QVL list wasn't a guarantee

[bronze jasper]

i had a first gen thread ripper. memory controller sucked on that too. its the first cpu that physically died on me in the 21st century

[languid gulch]

oof

i think i nearly caught my system on fire

it was a dell prebuilt where the 1700X was the only cpu listed as a possible upgrade

it'd black screen occasionally, or have the case fan ramp up to like 10krpm

had no idea what was going on until i started doing some actual pc building research

turns out it's a bad idea to put a 105W cpu onto a board with only 1x cpu power connector

[pure karma]

1X????

like 1 pin?

[dire igloo]

experienced that too. I did get 3200 MT/s to run, but once I went 2dpc mixed kits, not even JEDEC was stable

[pure karma]

nevermind it is

[languid gulch]

a single 4 pin, so 90W max

on a dell prebuilt board

[pure karma]

thats it?

[languid gulch]

that's all that was on it 🤣

[pure karma]

a 4 pin only does 90W?

[dire igloo]

ain't the max spec on those 155W?

[pure karma]

how the hell

does a 8 pin do 300 then

90+90 isent 300 last i checked

[languid gulch]

oh, fun fact about the board, it was proprietary

[pure karma]

yea shocker

[languid gulch]

so technically an AM4, but a fucked with AM4

[pure karma]

im 4/6 on proprietary motherboards

[languid gulch]

system would shut off if i wasn't careful and tried to fire up too much stuff and made it work too hard 🤣

it came with a Bulldozer APU, so i don't think they ever expected anyone to ever try to swap the cpu for something that actually used power

[dire igloo]

probably not even standardized power connectors then

[languid gulch]

oh yea the board was all kind of fucksed with. wasn't ATX, front panel connectors were soldered to the mobo, psu was non-modular with a 20 pin

it even came with a super special gpu with an unlisted vram cutdown

like i said, feel like i almost caught that system on fire 🤣

[pure karma]

you should have at that point

[languid gulch]

oh i ditched that shit asap

once i learned that throwing "gaming" on a system didn't actually make it a gaming pc

[pure karma]

atleast i nerver had to deal with that realisation

[languid gulch]

oh yea i learned the hard way 🤣

[jagged snow]

www.pcgamer.com/software/operating-systems/a-new-california-law-says-all-operating-systems-including-linux-need-to-have-some-form-of-age-verification-at-account-setup/
Curious about second opinions
But the fact that the wording is "operating system providers" seems to me that it only means OSs that are provided as a service. In my mind, most linux distros would go completely unaffected except for things like RHE. Even then, I'm not sure how this purports to handle things like disk cloning... perhaps lawmakers just aren't aware of it?

[pure karma]

yea i imediately wrote it off as soon as i realised it aplies to servers and will never get enforced

[jagged snow]

(I know pcgamer sucks, I don't read them regularly. Somebody asked me about it and gave me that article.)

[pure karma]

cant age verify a server and it would ruin the whole internet and computing as a whole

granted you could get around it with linux being open source but still

[sharp matrix]

Lawmakers are very much unprepared for the reality of the linux ecosystem, for open source operating systems this law is very much unenforceable, never mind things like disc cloning, etc

Regardless this law is more or less dead on arrival, at least in the linux ecosystem

[languid gulch]

ok dumb question time

is there an app or software that can scan your entire system, all your drives, and help sort out duplicated files?

[pure karma]

not aware of one but theres stuff like treesize which is nice for finding out where all your storage is wasted

[languid gulch]

i know, kinda sounds like i'm asking for a virus of some kind 🤣

this is what happens to us normies when we transplant drives over the years without cleaning stuff up

[waxen pendant]

I went from windows 7 to 11 on the same drive lol

[languid gulch]

i think my activation key is from win7

[waxen pendant]

Mine is lol.

I did do a fresh install when I moved to my current build as I replaced all the hardware. Just backed up some key things

[languid gulch]

a lot of my stuff i just copypasted over from craptacular laptop drives onto larger capacity ones once i had the money to properly invest in a pc

ngl most of it is probably memes, but it'd be nice to find a sane way to clean stuff up so i can have it properly organized

[waxen pendant]

Ah. I have a old amd 3200 running as a network attached storage.

[languid gulch]

i have 6 drives with no real method to the madness

[pure karma]

i try to keep my stuff organised but once you start working in the terabytes it gets hard

[languid gulch]

btw, felt so good yesterday about having never updated my nvidia drivers past 566.36

[pure karma]

why?

[languid gulch]

they un-updated yesterday's release

[pure karma]

im on 591.86

my drivers keep corupting so i have to udpate every once in a while

staying back was a bad time

[languid gulch]

www.kitguru.net/gaming/matthew-wilson/nvidia-disables-rollout-of-latest-game-ready-driver-encourages-rollback/

apparently 595.59 just makes your fans stop working

591.86 is supposedly safe

[pure karma]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-fire-gif-18709628

with how chonky all these coolers are now honestly my card could probably run without the fans

[languid gulch]

what idk is if they're calling it that but it actually completely disables thermal safeties

[pure karma]

well that sounds absolutely wonderfull

[languid gulch]

anyone else see the latest 12VHPWR melty allegations?

someone caught theirs on camera backing itself out of the plug over time

i wonder if people can do everything right, but the heating/cooling cycle of these super skinny wires are making the plastic expand & contract enough to work themselves out

even strong enough to overcome the clip

[languid gulch]

<@&387163995947270144>

same garbage in https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/456109329456562187

and everywhere else images are allowed

[twin dew]

Any RAM stick based on Hynix 16Gb M-die (first ever Hynix DDR5 die) is still in the top DDR5 ever.
Even when Hynix 16Gb A-die and Hynix 24Gb M-die are better for most of the latencies, but not all.

[languid gulch]

ok i have a really fucking dumb question about DDR ram. could you do something similar to how those guys are doubling vram on GPUs, and take something like an 8gb DDR4 stick, and replace the chips with higher capacity ones?

(ignoring the "why" of it)

[twin dew]

Yes, if you reprogram the SPD too.
DDR stick PCBs are mostly standard.
Single-sided version, double-sided version etc.

[languid gulch]

would the replaced chips all have to be identical speed & capacity?

[twin dew]

If you want for it to work properly, yes.
As each of the chips provides some of the bits for the word line.

[languid gulch]

ah

[twin dew]

8 bits for the basic desktop RAM, that 1Rx8 part

[languid gulch]

was thinking about weird cases like dual rank where there's 2 chips in each column

doing something wacky like a 2+4 setup instead of a 2+2

[twin dew]

No, that is just two separate memory ranks on same PCB, no difference from two separate single-rank PCBs in view of the memory controller.

[languid gulch]

when a mobo lists its max ram capacity, like say 128gb, does that mean it can handle 2x64, or would it have to be 4x32

[twin dew]

For memory controllers view 2x 1Rx8 (two dimms) and 1x 2Rx8 (one dimm) is exactly the same.
Just that from signal integrity perspective the second is better.

[twin dew]

Those are in actuality just purely winged, or with Intel, firmware limitations for product segmentation.

[languid gulch]

winged?

[twin dew]

"This is what we could test before launching the product" or "This was the highest you could in theory plug in when the product was launched".

[languid gulch]

ah 🤣

[twin dew]

Not based on any real limitation.

[languid gulch]

well that's good to know

[twin dew]

Intel consumer parts have had actual firmware enforced limits.
AFAIK AMD hasn't had those.

So for most part the memory limits in Intel ARK for the specific CPU are to be taken as actual firmware enforced limits.

MB spec listings, not so much.

[languid gulch]

i am officially down to 0 intel systems now 🤣 as well as 0 prebuilts. good to know i don't have to care about any of that bullshit anymore

[twin dew]

So in theory you might be able to make 2R DIMM with one rank having different amount of RAM to the second rank.
Not sure how that would play with SPD programming.

[languid gulch]

i feel like that'd be way more trouble than it's worth

like trying to strap a Harley Davidson engine to the back of a Volkswagen so you can call it a 6 cylinder

[maiden coyote]

til how easy it is to break a steeringwheel lock. just a pull to the left, and to the right and no more lock.

[twin dew]

Harley-Davidson 6-cylinder engine running a generator in back of VolksWagen ID4?

[languid gulch]

🤣 i was more thinking someone driving the rear wheels with it

technically possible, but why

[soft bloom]

what should I feel
when I read recent GitHub repo
that says "written in modern Fortran"
fear? despair? respect?

[jagged snow]

I've got a friend that learned to code on fortran 2018

[twin dew]

There is even minor update to that as Fortran 2023.
Still used in large niche in scientific number crunching.

There is even official CUDA Fortran.

[soft bloom]

on the other hand, maybe it's they don't use JS

it's been some time since I seen so many, and old, warning on wiki
probably never actually

[cyan crescent]

I hate my motherboard. It disables ipv4 support everytime i restart it.

[glossy glacier]

Do you mean PXE/HTTPv4 boot?

[cyan crescent]

No

It disables ALL ipv4 support

[glossy glacier]

That not yout MB than, that is your OS

[waxen pendant]

i have a am4 MSI board that does odd stuff like that. (not that specificly. But it wont keep its power saving options the way i set them..

its now assigned to be my NAS (yes bios options)\

[cyan crescent]

No. Its the bios. It has ipv4 network configuration disabled every time i reboot

[glossy glacier]

In some kind of network stack settings?

[cyan crescent]

No

[glossy glacier]

How do you re-enable v4 support then?

[cyan crescent]

I have to reenable the "ipv4 network configuration" but after i restart, it just turns back off

[glossy glacier]

Can you send a picture of the setting?

[sage pier]

@twin dew do you have a recommendation on books to learn internet infrastructure? Right now I'm looking at this book, but I don't even know what I need to learn. https://a.co/d/0fI6VLH2

[sharp matrix]

Tcp, udp, communication protocals is a decent start, http, etc also, but i would definitely learn more service and communication protocals such as those to start with

[sage pier]

Are there specific resources you'd recommend? My end goal is being able to work with the hardware side of infrastructure. Also being able to know why my isp is so shit 😊

[sharp matrix]

Also building a basic server with tcp/udp is a good learing experience and things like java makes the process fairly straight forward, even getting into a basic java nio server setup doesnt require to much work and code

Plenty of books and resources to easily learn how a basic server works, depending what you want to learn

[sage pier]

I already run a minecraft server (tcp) that used to have bedrock support (udp) but that's just mainly setting up port forwarding.

[sharp matrix]

Right thats why i was suggesting going more into how servers actually work, but understanding tcp/udp is a decent start

[lyric wagon]

Little fact about me. I'm a small businessman

I fix computers freelance

[soft bloom]

sometimes
I have questions about how english still exists as a language
I still hear X and D though

[sterile plinth]

What's the most effective way to block all background noise while using earphones/headphones? (I'm referring to playback)

Something like an earplugs / earphones hybrid

It can have any shape as long as it completely blocks all sounds from the outside environment

I have heard about ANC but I'm not sure just how effective it is. I'm talking about absolute total noise isolation, if there's anything better than anc

Specifically the sounds I'm trying to block are dog barks, high frequency bird chirps, human voices and sounds of furniture being dragged around/smashed into objects

I have heard for such sounds ANC doesn't do that great of a job

It's also worth mentioning I'm completely unable to discern sound quality so really I'm just looking for whichever headphones/iems offer the most noise isolation regardless of sound quality

[twin dew]

And why would you need that?
It is just for UEFI stuff to be able to do IPv4 stuff.
Almost never needed.

It has no effect on anything outside UEFI Firmware itself.

Would in theory allow for things like UEFI included firmware updater downloading the update itself from MB makers site etc.
But basically nothing that needs it is implemented in consumer retail MBs.

[dire igloo]

IEMs with some industrial grade hearing protection

proper fit on those IEMs to be specific

[twin dew]

There are also companies that do custom fit ear plugs, that can optionally have headbud functionality for extra cost.
But even the basic ones without cost hundreds.

Absolutely worth it for comfortable to wear ear plugs if you need a pair,
Cannot talk about the headbud versions, only have basic ones.

And then there are over the ear hearing protectors with inbuilt speakers with analog, bluetooth, FM radio etc. inputs.

Some with separate "hear other people" functionality with mic, noise filtering and playback over those inbuilt speakers.

I myself own a "cheap" one too: https://www.zekler.com/products/all-products/hearing-protection/with-electronics/zekler-412rdb-p-156.html
3M Peltor has the more expensive options in their WS Alert and WS ProTac serieses.

[cyan crescent]

Well ipv4 somehow keeps getting disabled but when i reenable that setting, connection comes back but upon a restart, it gets disabled and connection is lost.

[twin dew]

Connection in what?
Like I said, that in UEFI option should not matter at all to any later OS.
And in general should not be enabled without special needs that you explicitly know need it.

---

So those IEMs are variant on that custom fit earplugs with headbud functionality with explicit goal of good quality sound.

I'm just out of date, when my own custom fits are from over 20 years ago.

[languid gulch]

i've always wondered if ANC could cause some hearing damage over time, since you're being subjected to more sound, just with opposing peaks & troughs

[twin dew]

It actually cancels the sound wave form from ears perspective, so no.

[dire igloo]

I'd say standard speakerless hearing protection plus a well-fitting pair of IEMs is less expensive and easier to come by

[sterile plinth]

when you say industrial you mean the type construction workers use?

[dire igloo]

Basically, yeah.
Two stage solution.
Well fitting IEMs for listening to music and some noise isolation, then professional audio muffling equipment to remove most of the environmental noise

[twin dew]

And the Peltor and Zekler stuff is the kind of thing that construction etc. use.
Just with inbuilt BT headsets etc.
But question comes how much it is about price vs. functionality and/or ergonomics.

But 3M Pro-Protect Bluetooths would be only 130e for example in Finland.
And 3M WorkTunes Connect only 100e.

Second one at least has also 3.5mm analog input.
Both are around -30dB rated

[sterile plinth]

about IEMs i saw many people online recommend the etymotic er2xr, they are apparently advertised as having 42db sound reduction

[twin dew]

Manufacturer says -35dB with silicone inserts and -42dB with foam ones.
Not sure if I believe those numbers or not.
Normal price from them direct seems to be $300 or so, currently 50% off.

That around -30dB on average, depending on frequency is the normal level 3 hearing protection for work.
Stuff marketed with example:

SNR 33 dB: H 34 dB, M 31 dB, L 22 dB
protection level 3 is suitable for high to very high noise levels: the best choice when the noise is dominated by low frequencies

This is about best you can get as over-the-ears hearing protection on the market:
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_LB/p/dc/v000082834/
SNR 34 dB: H=35 M=32 L=24

So those numbers from Etymotic seem really suspect, and are probably not according to that industry spec.

But ok, seems I was wrong, now that I look at the specs for normal disposable 3M foam earplugs

Ok, so standards difference even on those:

The individual values for mean attenuation are very high, but the NRR is in line with the over the ears.

[sterile plinth]

its 100eur, not 300 for me

[twin dew]

Currently $150 on manufacturer site, trying to say they are at half price right now, so the normal price would have been $300.
Didn't look other sellers.

[sterile plinth]

if you try to add it to cart it becomes 75 euro, it is 150 without discount

[twin dew]

Ok.

[sterile plinth]

so, that would be a good option yes? for 75 euro that is

[twin dew]

If the inserts it comes with are suitable for your ears etc.
Also some people cannot deal with even fitting generic plugs in their ears for long time.

Mine cannot deal with any of the foam plugs even for short time, for plugs that are large enough to actually work while mouth moves etc., comes down to some issue with ear canal form.

Those silicone type plugs, in right size, are ok for me.
But not all sets come with suitable size for me, where they both fit and block.

[visual tree]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Upf_B9RLQ

[dire igloo]

Generic chi-fi IEMs with good fit will be better for noise reduction than professional sound isolation in-ears with poor fit

And also have better audio quality

[lyric wagon]

I just had a customer today that brought a FAKE GPU into my business

It's from a weird Russian brand I never heard of and I tested it in Hwinfo64 and it said "Nvidia RTX 3080ti FAKE"

[languid gulch]

switch hwinfo to russian, see if it says it's a real 3080Ti

[lyric wagon]

Just did, it's not

It's a counterfeit card

In HW info even in Russian it says *Nvidia RTX 3080 TI FAKE"

[languid gulch]

oh i was completely kidding about that 🤣

i was thinking about the stories of those hackers who'd comes across someone outside of russia using a cyrillic keyboard & not attack them because of it

[languid gulch]

dumb question time: my ram is Corsair, but lists its guts as SK Hynix. does that mean that SK Hynix makes those sticks without all the Corsair cosmetics?

[thin trout]

Hynix makes the memory chips

corsair buys them + puts them on a pcb (bought or made) + adds cosmetics etc.

[languid gulch]

huh. i'd have thought a deal like that would be that Hynix does the chips & pcb

[thin trout]

i'm not sure who makes and who buys pcb's, but corsair is usually a bit potato and gskill the best ones 😄

(only really relevant for max overclocking)

[languid gulch]

oh yea if i had had a choice in the construction of this monster it would have been very different

[tall forum]

yo

is the MSI GeForce RTX 5060 Ti 16G a good graphics card

[languid gulch]

decently

[tall forum]

for 1440p ultra gaming

[languid gulch]

tho if you're not interested in DLSS stuff and wanna save a bit, grab a 9060XT 16gb and OC it

$429 for the 5060Ti vs $349 for the 9060XT (USD)

they trade blows performance-wise

both 16gb vram

[tall forum]

i dont want to experiment with overclocking apparently it can break your pc

[languid gulch]

eh. even without OCing the 9060XT i'd say it's a better deal

[tall forum]

i was thinking of getting the 9060 but isnt the 5060 a lot better

[languid gulch]

not really

i guess i'd say "not enough to justify the price jump"

[tall forum]

what about the 5070

[languid gulch]

that's a much bigger jump

[tall forum]

whats the most powerful gpu for gaming

[languid gulch]

MSI 5090 Lightning

$5090USD

[tall forum]

oh yeah thats pretty cheap

totally not over 2x my pc

[languid gulch]

🤣

[tall forum]

what gpu do you have

and for what Res

[languid gulch]

4090 Strix

1440p Ultrawide, 144Hz

my 6800XT was plenty for it, and then i won a top end system in a raffle

owner of the dreaded 12VHPWR

at least it looks pretty

[tall forum]

thats insane

[languid gulch]

agreed

[tall forum]

its like double the performance of the 5060 16gb

[tall forum]

yes

is it better to go with one theme or just leave fans on rgb

[languid gulch]

rainbow unicorn vomit

[tall forum]

what case is that

[languid gulch]

one of the ones that GN absolutely roasted, and with excellent reason

Corsair 6500X

it's a pain in the arse to work in

[tall forum]

im getting the atx

[languid gulch]

i've always been a fan of the cases that can handle a full fat ATX board, but don't make a mATX one look hilariously tiny & out of place

Phanteks has some decent ones of those

[tall forum]

Montech XR ATX Mid Tower Case

[languid gulch]

oh that one, right. it's a good choice 🙂

i love the side-bottom mesh concept

you'll have to let us know how keep it clean inside is, and how it is to work in

[tall forum]

this is the coolest case

Cooler Master Shark X Mini-ITX Case - Black with PSU, Radiator and RGB Fan

[languid gulch]

plus the wonky PSU C12 cable extension down there. i've always been a bit nervous about using one of those

[tall forum]

is it a bad case

[languid gulch]

no, just kinda curious what it's like working in a case

it's one of those "another possible point of failure" things that electronics manufacturers tend to not like. having basically a mini extension cord going from the back of the case forward to the PSU instead of just being able to plug straight into the PSU

[tall forum]

search this up fr

[languid gulch]

it has good reason for it tho, so lemme know how it is

oh i did 🤣 $7000 for a goddamn case is insane

[tall forum]

it is quite cool i would pay max 500 for it

[languid gulch]

literally more than my entire system, which is of the 9800X3D/4090 variety

oh EW a 120mm rad

make it bigger, put a 240 in it 🤣

[tall forum]

lifesize shark for that price

[languid gulch]

ok ngl 3d printing a shark shaped pc case would be incredible

[tall forum]

also whats with the 40,50,60,90 idk if there is others but is the larger number better?

[languid gulch]

for what

[tall forum]

gaming

[languid gulch]

the GPU models?

[twin dew]

Inside same generation from same GPU chip manufacturer, for most part, yes.

[languid gulch]

for nvidia it's generally how they list the generation, and then tier, of the GPU. 10XX, 20XX, 30XX, 40XX, 50XX. then 90 for their highest tier of "consumer available" GPU, then 80, & then on down the stack

[twin dew]

Across generations, depends.
Across GPU chip manufacturers, not directly comparable.

[languid gulch]

they've changed the naming schemes over the years, but for nvidia that's how they've mostly done it

[twin dew]

And then some generations have intentional fake submodels thrown in with various gimpings that make them bad.

[languid gulch]

they used to call the 90 tier "titan" because they were a weird halfway point between being top-end gaming and bottom-ish of the workstation cards

yea, and don't even try to logic out the Radeon side of naming things. your head will explode. just use a chart like the rest of us

[twin dew]

Titans used the highest tier die.
xx90:s use second highest tier die.
But today that highest tier die is only on server cards, not even on any workstation cards.
Edit: forgot few of the last Titans that didn't use the highest die anymore.

[languid gulch]

there's consistency (usually) within a generation for them, just not across generations

[languid gulch]

just the premium pricing 😛

[twin dew]

Original point of Titans was that they had full speed FP64.
Then that went away, and then they got rebranded to xx90 little later.

For Nvidia, currently only the server cards have full speed FP64.
Even the workstation cards don't have usable performance one anymore.

[languid gulch]

i believe that's called enshittification

[twin dew]

Need to sell those GPU servers...

Current workstation cards are all just gaming chips with VRAM ECC support enabled.

[languid gulch]

i'm now thinking that they went with ECC so that it could kinda compensate for garbage AI driver coding

[twin dew]

Has been there for long time for workstation cards.
And does nothing to driver issues.

[languid gulch]

true

i still haven't updated my drivers since dec 2024

i don't play any games more recent than that

and near as i can tell the updates since then are for game compatibility and bug fixes related to garbage AI written code

[bronze jasper]

bug fixes have always been a thing in software

something i notice people doing lately. blaming the same old problems that have always been around, on ai

[twin dew]

But difference between bug fixes to programmer mistakes, and bug fixes to Vibe Coding caused bugs.

[bronze jasper]

allegedly.

[twin dew]

Direct from Jensens mouth that their driver programmers are generating 3x more code lines now with help of "AI".

[bronze jasper]

the evidence is that bug patches are being released now a days. compelling.

[twin dew]

In some interview.

[languid gulch]

i'd much rather fix a human's mistakes

[bronze jasper]

yeah. i'm not surprised its misrepresented. he never said driver engineers. ai code wouldn't be used for cutting edge situations.

[twin dew]

And for some reason the driver quality took giant dive down around the time they supposedly started to use AI assistance in coding?

[bronze jasper]

mine have been fine. weird that yours haven't been

[twin dew]

Not using Nvidia.
But basically they took LONG time to get the driver branches after 566.x to work properly on (3000/)4000/5000 series GPUs.
And that was when they seem to have started using AI "assistance".

[bronze jasper]

wouldn't ai have made them crank that code out faster?

[twin dew]

Very buggy code.

[bronze jasper]

they've never said they're using it for drivers. it makes no sense to use it for that and there's no evidence that they have. That's a whole different field of coding.

[twin dew]

Buggy in very weird and specific cases.

[bronze jasper]

i guess the evidence is just that they've released bug fixes in 2026

and ai exists

[twin dew]

But actual driver issues say otherwise, for first half of 2025 especially.

[bronze jasper]

forget that bug fixes have always been a thing

[twin dew]

Where the situation was so bad that game devs told to stay on 566.36 if possible.

[bronze jasper]

that sounds more like a buggy game than buggy drivers. which dev said that?

was it a laptop thing?

[twin dew]

No, point was that there were common BSOD&crash issues in various games with 572.x and 576.x drivers.
Later ones are again mostly fine.

[bronze jasper]

lol it was the inzoi devs that recommended it hahaha

definately a buggy game situation

[twin dew]

Several others too AFAIK.

Including some very bizarre visual issues in Satisfactory lines etc.

Even with DLSS disabled.

[bronze jasper]

seems like a lot of common pc issues that a minority of users report, and then rags like "pcgamer.com" blow it up for drama bait

people like to read things

i got a 4080 and my system has been fine on up to date drivers. i update weekly

[twin dew]

So if you had played Satisfactory on those driver versions, you would have had this issue, where inventory etc. lines had just bizarre glitches for everyone:

As example.
Something from the DLSS4 forcing integration into the drivers.
Took 4+ months to fix.

Even when DLSS was off.

[bronze jasper]

is the evidence for this bug being caused by dlss , that dlss exists?

[twin dew]

Something wrong in 572.x and most of 576.x drivers, got fixed in very late 576.x.

But you want to keep your blinders on about the giant Nvidia driver quality issues they had for 2025, starting with 572.x drivers with 5000-series support, that is your prerogative.
Which they started to get better during summer and after.
And Nvidia just had to pull latest drivers completely, as they broke fan control for lot of cards, as in fans didn't run at all.

[glossy glacier]

Second time they broke fan control iirc?

[twin dew]

Even lot of major reviewers complained about the driver quality and stability being absolute crap.

[bronze jasper]

it was probably for a minority of people reporting issues in a niche situation. and "major" reviewers with big audiences that they get 6 figure profits when they drama bait, blew it up into a bigger story than it was.

bugs happen. They always do. They get patched out. It's been the software cycle for decades now. As a 4080 user, i've not had any major problems. my system purrs happily every day. there was that one time when i had power supply problems but i solved that.

[twin dew]

Personal experiences when trying to run benchmarks for reviews...

[bronze jasper]

oh they made a whole show out of it? how predictable. that's their entire multi million dollar business model.

[tall forum]

surely someone gifts me the cheap NVIDIA RTX PRO 6000 Blackwell Workstation Edition, 96GB

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eRT3yOvQkU
I can't tell if he has a tinfoil hat or iron-carbon-epoxy hat...
where does irony end and curiosity starts?

[visual tree]

I hope MDCT is much better today because I had trauma from it as a child.... Had brain MDCT 20 years ago and I had to lie perfectly still for 2 hours which was a traumatic experience for me since I was a child and couldn't stay still for more than 1 minute 😩

Apparently, MDCT lasts less than 1 minute with modern technology

Correction: Up to 10 minutes which is fine

[slow flint]

Most people weren't affected by driver issues, while it was a small amount of people it was still large enough to be a big issues

100+ people had issues with Asrock mobos and exploding X3D CPUs
While it's small it's way larger than it should be. With the Nvidia drivers it was way more people than that but it's an example. There is no doubt that nvidia had bad driver issues

[bronze jasper]

yeah thats kind of what 'm getting at. Bug cycles have always been a problem with home pc hardware. Especially around new hardware releases. The software layer is hard to get exactly perfect at release because new hardware is cutting edge and you have to write new code to support it, or adapt old code on top of it. And sometimes that cutting edge code will have bugs. So they get fixed.

it's been going on long before AI coding. I find it hard to blame AI especially when the evidence is essentially "ai coding tools exist"

[cold tide]

which is still less than .1% of buyers.

most likely

[bronze jasper]

from what i found is it was related to running gsync on non official gsync screens, and dlss framegen at the same time. people were legitimately getting blue screens there.

I don't think that case was because of someone coding a driver with AI at all. That sounds like exactly kind of fringe case that would necessitate a patch.

i have a freesync monitor and gsync works with it but is SO buggy. I get that stuff goes wrong. It's part of being in the PC world with 1000s of possible hardware configurations

[slow flint]

You're right about newer hardware but why it became an issue is because the amount of affected people was larger than normal, the issues where really bad compared to multiple previous generations and it took a long time to fix the issues

[slow flint]

There where many different issues across the launch of the 40/50 series that sounds like just one of them

[bronze jasper]

sure bugs suck. i agree. i'm not even really sour about that at all. I came into this conversation talking about how AI wasn't to blame for the problems drivers might or might not've had.

i'm also a big believer in not believing every reddit post that is blown up by tomshardware.com

i dont even think i'm lucky that i didn't experience any bluescreens in my daily use. i'm just not so unlucky to have caught the issue that took a while to fix.

[cold tide]

nvidia driverstack isnt just unstable since the 5000 series, it goes further back when mantle/dx12 became the standard in gaming and their scheduler was a decade behind the curve.

so much cpu overhead

[bronze jasper]

the majority of people had no issue, so it's funny when these youtube drama channels blow it up into a major problem like it's never happened before. adding clickbaity nonsense like "it was the AI code" to rile their audiences up

[slow flint]

There's no official numbers because there where lots of different bugs
Patched creating new bugs and certain bugs only appearing in certain scenarios
But my guess is way higher than 0.1%
Probably in the single digits still

[cold tide]

thats what HUB and GN got back from retailers.

on x3d returns

slash rma

[bronze jasper]

and then sometimes people suck at configuring their own PC, so it crashes because they're running a bad overclock or not getting enough power from a well used PSU, and their post gets lumped in with the youtuber's coverage of a driver issue. so much of it is just drama mining and nonsense.

[slow flint]

Oh on the X3D issue yeah it was probably that low

[bronze jasper]

youtube drama is a multimillion dollar industry. some channels make 100s of thousands of dollars off one drama video

[slow flint]

On the nvidia 40/50 series driver issues more people where affected

[cold tide]

or have a 14th gen intel

[bronze jasper]

yeah thats why drama mining works so hard. sometimes there's something real to add fuel to the fire

13th got fkd too. i got a 12

[cold tide]

nah its AMD for me on both

[bronze jasper]

and even then, fk'd is like, their efficiency core might suck a little more. the microcode patch fixed it but you don't know if any damage was done to the e-core or not.

Meanwhile... games don't use ecores at all

[pure karma]

clearly not as much as people make it out to be

intel degredation was probably the worst exageration of recent times in terms of media attention seeking

[cold tide]

what lol

[pure karma]

granted at first it was partially justified since the scale was unknown

[slow flint]

At my old job we built a computer for the owners business friend, they asked for an Intel CPU so we put a I7 14700K I think. 1 week later all the issues with the 14th and 13th gen started popping up and she brought the PC back in crashing

[bronze jasper]

yeah but it had just enough real to it to rile people up good

[pure karma]

were at 3 years and 99%+ of those chips are still good

including my own which is overclocked and not using hte microcode

[cold tide]

it was bad enough where major corporate contracts were moved to AMD. It was bad dude.

[bronze jasper]

remember the sideband attacks against intel that were found? they only work in lab conditions and have never been demonstrated in the field. but it went full panic.

[cold tide]

minecraft hosting servers having 40-50% failure rates

it was not overblown

unlike the x3D thing.

[bronze jasper]

there was an aspect of silicon lottery to it

like.. if wheel of fortune had slightly more bankruptcy tiles

[slow flint]

Yeah it was actually really bad
It was probably single digits maybe up to 10% of CPUs but that's way more than it should be for such a critical issue

Mozilla had to turn off crash reporting for 14th gen Intel users as a heatwave in Europe caused so many crash reports it basically DDOSed their servers

[cold tide]

it was also both a manufacturing defect (vias) and microcode that had to be released to fix it.

[pure karma]

id still love to see the motherboard split on that since it seems boards played a bigger part and it wasent all microcode

the microcode was the issues but it seems the boards amplified the problem

[cold tide]

you cant throw mainboards under the bus if Intel doesnt tell them to not go ham

those profiles came later...

and the voltage specs are even more dubious

[slow flint]

Actually yeah from memory didn't a lot of manufacturers put fucked power profiles by default on systems because Intel just let them

[pure karma]

they did but board partners were unlocking chips and trippleing the power draw of spec back on LGA 1200 even so obviously they have blame here

[cold tide]

it also wasnt powerdraw, it was VID requests of 1.6V

that killed the chips

which you could get at singlecore load well within the 253W limit

even within the 125w

which is what the microcode fixed by limiting specifically that

[pure karma]

well yea duh if you want you can go past that even but at that point your just pointlessly making a heater

[cold tide]

to 1.55 or 1.5v i cant remember

its not running full load on it...

[pure karma]

1.4 is the highest my 13700K will go on any available presets be it pre or post fix versions so its clear in that case why mine lived

[cold tide]

it tried to hit 6ghz in single core load, that caused the high request.

its also not vcore im talking about

watch buildzoids videos on it

he shows it on oscilloscopes

what is happening with the voltage

"actually hardcore overclocking" is the channel.

every chip has a VF curve, and it trying to hit 6ghz caused a high request that spiked up to 1.6V

causing the damage

which is why all those minecraft servers running single core loads dies

[slow flint]

I really need to try overclocking, never really got into it
I tinkered around when I had my 980ti but I didn't know nearly as much then

[cold tide]

the more multihreading load, the lower the overall clockspeed, the lower the voltage. Pl1 and pl2 had nothing to do with the damage

[pure karma]

the problem with OC is CPU oc dosent exist anymore really

Ram OC is hell on earth

and GPU is sliding sliders until it turns off

[cold tide]

there is most definitely still OC

[pure karma]

and your card only lives for a year after so theres no point

[cold tide]

its just different

now its about manipulating the VF curves to get it to boost higher

undervolting is the new overclocking

if you try to overclock now by shoving more voltage and power

you get extremely diminishing returns at best

degradation most likely

[cold tide]

i have my cl16-3200 kit running cl14-3966

[pure karma]

was it fun

[cold tide]

ehh, my mainboard clrs it cmos if it fails three times

[pure karma]

funnily enough last time i did brute force OC with voltage increase on a GPU the Vram was the failure

which was quite unexpected

[cold tide]

my 5800X3D is running -30PBO and -90mvtt on top, and the 6800XT is -100mvtt offset on the vf curve

6800XT can do about 2650-2700mhz if it wants to. But the powerdraw goes through the roof.

350watts

AMD is so dead easy to tune though

And you dont need third party tools unlike some >95% marketshare industry leaders...

who still relies on you running afterburner in the background

[pure karma]

well you still need the AMD bloatware

which is about as bad

[cold tide]

bloatware? you mean the gpu driver?

[pure karma]

the adrenaline software you need for that no?

[cold tide]

yeah but that is hardly bloatware

[jagged snow]

And the software itself doens't need to run in background

[dark sequoia]

can anyone explain why windows 8 on some 2012 celery is faster and more responsive then windows 11 on a modern gaming laptop?

[pure karma]

nothing being run local and nothing being optimized anymore

that and gaming laptop cpu's clock speeds generally drop so low they break software constantly

[dark sequoia]

not to mention that windows 8 is on a hdd

should i

1. keep using windows
2. linux
3. buy mac

why is formatting so wonk

whatever

[pure karma]

depends what you want

if you want to just game and web browse and forget about the world then linux

if you hate yourself get a mac

and staying on windows just depends on what you wanna do

[dark sequoia]

im using macos right now on ancient hardware and its actually faster than windows in most ways

its just i cant game because the hardware sucks

i dont use many games that need windows level anticheat

i also dont play games that are particularly heavy

satisfactory is probably at the top of that list

maybe modded minecraft is higher

[pure karma]

if you want to comit to swapping to linux the most AMD hardware you have the better

since they have the performance advantage

[dark sequoia]

so 0?

my windows pc is intel nvida

[pure karma]

depends what

[dark sequoia]

and this mac is intel amd

[pure karma]

most laptops wont even let you install linux

depending on what distro you want that is ofc

[dark sequoia]

this one is fine idk what you are talking about

[pure karma]

but i know i couldent get bazzite on mine

only ubuntu worked

[dark sequoia]

windows has even become insensitive to secure boot being off

it doesnt care anymore

iunno

macOS feels much better than linux in many ways

linux is just more open i guess

i havent found anything that linux can do that macOS cant

[dark sequoia]

i dont like the idea of imitation steamOS

doesnt really matter in the end

[slow flint]

Intel's chill on Linux
Its mainly just Nvidia that stinks

[pure karma]

if your referencing ARC it has like a 30% performance loss on average so no intel isent really all that chill but it does work and is acceptably stable if you dont try to use upscale tech

[glossy glacier]

Probably secureboot issue

Bazzite should handle it too.
After the install you should boot into the blue MOK screen, enter the password, and done

[dire igloo]

30% perf loss on Linux compared to Windows?
Or what exactly are you referencing here and where's that number coming from?

[bronze jasper]

apple style marketing claim moment

[verbal raft]

no XMX accel on linux

so you get dumped to XeSS DP4A on your ARC card in linux

[dark sequoia]

yeah but they suck

its a 15 year old xeon

sure its probably more compatible now that its amd, but its going to be far less performance in which case its NOT worth it

[night girder]

Just reseated my PSU.

Reboot, two leds on mobo + black screen.
"Ah, must be memory training" ...
10 minutes later
Still black screen.
"Fuck it, let's reboot."

System boots up fine.

The fuck?

Seems like this whole memory training mechanism is flacky/buggy as hell and just gets stuck.

[pure karma]

Boots into a kernal panic before anything even installs

[pure karma]

yea and from the little personal testing i did across a few games like a year ago

[glossy glacier]

Oh, huh. Would be neat to know the exact panic reason then.
Is it an older CPU?

[twin dew]

Anything electronic that MagicZ touches gets cursed with instability and issues.

[pure karma]

13620H

[night girder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/186lg6j/am5_memory_training_taking_over_45_minutes/

rofl 🤣

someone was even more patient than me!

[tribal kraken]

Dreaded memory training,

Blue ones are nice

I'm following closely game called Out of Ore, using UE. If it ever gets mod support, hoping to put my IRL excavator buckets into the game 😄

[glossy glacier]

True that

[pure karma]

you know... the oposite of Microsoft is Bighard after all

[bronze jasper]

Elon's new company is called MacroHard and will vibecode an entire line of software to compete with Microsoft in all fields. Or so he says

[waxen pendant]

We were also around the corner from humans on mars for twenty years and he just gave up.

So we shall see

[bronze jasper]

hyperloops, vegas tunnels, affordable teslas, and countless other failed projects

maxxi you love elon-chan? aww you poor naive drunken fool. He's lying to you

elon is for the streets brother. let him go

yeah i suppose guys like elon have changed what the definition of reality is

"just pretend it's real and people believe you"

and the sign said long haired freaky people, need not apply

https://tenor.com/view/chewing-loud-animals-animal-gif-13475652

[waxen pendant]

Elon just throws every thought into the void and see what sticks. Then if it sticks he throws money at it until it works or fails.

Repeats

[soft bloom]

why is tht so true?

[bronze jasper]

is that buzz lightyear?

[soft bloom]

who?

that's Yaqut being depressive

cause he learned [spoiler]

and now questions his beliefs

[bronze jasper]

who?

[soft bloom]

imagine if story writing could include nuance and character development? unseen

[soft bloom]

it's from The Talos Principle 2

[bronze jasper]

he's from Toy Story

[soft bloom]

oh... Buzz Lightyear

I was trying to understand why are you talking about distance

[bronze jasper]

he goes to infinity, and beyond

[soft bloom]

does he stack overflow?

you need some TTP2

[waxen pendant]

i feel ya, Loosing my cat has hit me really hard. Im already prone to depression

[night girder]

Oh forgot the apple event.

Was it today? I see a bunch of new apple articles.

Now we got super cores 😄 and efficiency cores. Oh marketing. Oh marketing.

Also, 36GB memory and 24GB are a bit odd no? So used to 8-16-32-64-128 ...

[pure karma]

24 not really its a single ddr5 stick but 36 is hella weird

[night girder]

24GB + 12GB stick? 🤣

The cheap macbook , called "neo" will most likely use iphone soc

[pure karma]

oh dang that is real

i tought it was only 24,48 and 96GB sticks

[night girder]

Yeah, why not? Nah, 12 I knew it exists.

But you don't see if often imo.

[pure karma]

iv never seen a 12GB stick before

probably cause there only available in laptop format

[night girder]

LOL 🤣

Only one I can find one tweakers.

I have two predictions.

The Neo is going to not perform well.

The rest is going to be expensive AF. Even for Apple standards.

[pure karma]

especially since they bought samsungs entire stock at a +100% mark up

[dire igloo]

Welcome to irrelevance, rtings.com
Your data will be missed deeply

[oblique hamlet]

try bugmenot.com

[dire igloo]

Drink some water and get some sleep, you sound hella drunk rn, ngl

[night girder]

paywall(ish)?

[dire igloo]

Yup, they're now hiding their monitor testing data behind a subscription

[night girder]

Another one hits the dust ...

Have you read the reasoning why? (reading it now on their website).

[dire igloo]

The only benefit of rtings monitor tests was their data.
The verdicts were all over the place

[dire igloo]

Yeah, AI scrubbing and lack of traffic through paid channels (like Google results)

[night girder]

I do understand some of their points. And they seem to have put effort in the explanation.

Not sure if this is the best way. Since there are probably other options.

[dire igloo]

They had to elaborate since they're hurting a lot of techy folks who liked to visit their site.

I can understand why they thought they had to do this, but imo it's shortsighted and will only make things worse for them.
I guess they're hoping that getting some of the non-traffic users to subscribe will outweigh the lack of revenue from other sources.
However, I doubt that sincerely

[night girder]

Wonder if any other website has indexed their scores 🤔
Wouldn't be surprised some aggregation websites did it.

[dire igloo]

Their scores are actually fairly useless

Their testing data is what made them a staple among tech people

[pure karma]

he always sounds drunk

[night girder]

Well, if it's valuable data. I guess they want something in return for it.

And I can see AI and like I mentioned, bots/scraping, being an issue for their revenue.

[pure karma]

another one comits the crime

[dire igloo]

Which is ironic given you just suggested aggregation sites

[dire igloo]

The data was the only thing that was actually valuable - their verdicts and their scores were horrible.

Some garbo VA panels with awful smearing received good scores for gaming cuz apparently 144hz on the specsheet is more important than motion clarity

[night girder]

Darn it. Removed the e-blurred tag.

But it just shows 0.0 🤣

data-score-group="nil"

It's actually properly coded 😭

I know tweakers.net also have their own test lab and methods.

But it's not that extensive. It's more journalism about tech with a few of their own testing here and there.

www.svd.se/a/K8nrV4/metas-ai-smart-glasses-and-data-privacy-concerns-workers-say-we-see-everything

The workers describe videos where people’s bank cards are visible by mistake, and people watching porn while wearing the glasses. Clips that could trigger “enormous scandals” if they were leaked.

[oblique hamlet]

"dumb fucks" -zuckerburg

[visual tree]

Apparently, Microsoft blocked that word on copilot discord lol

"Microsoft added that blocking terms such as “Microslop,” along with other phrases in the spam campaign, was not intended as a permanent policy but a short-term mitigation while the company manages to put additional protections in place."

Yeah, right

[dire igloo]

fuck iCue

[waxen pendant]

Yes it was covered in several of tech news outlets lol.

Sloppysoft is my favorite iteration yet

[bronze jasper]

It's because they were getting a discord brigade. Tech News sites are literally reporting on discord mods as if they're all mocrosoft

Frankly, I'm embarrassed for tech journalists more than usual this week

[waxen pendant]

i havea older k70 keyboard. Modern Icue makes it none functional

[slow flint]

Pretty sure I had a similar model
Was full 100% with the wrist rest but only had one column of the G keys

Lasted me years till I spilled Midori on it...