off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

It was always significantly more costly for same amount of storage.
And as it hasn't been developed, that is just getting worse and worse as time goes on, without more development work to catch up.

[bronze jasper]

i said that. economically it couldn't compete. that was it's only short coming.

As nand reaches it's physical limits, that might change

[twin dew]

"3D" XPoint was never finalized, it was always planar in the produced versions.
And that would be just catching up to how NAND has been done for 10+ years.

[bronze jasper]

economically, 3 mile island was closed. It's a perfectly viable nuclear reactor still, and repairs would prevent it from another partial meltdown. They never did though because that costed too much money, so it just sorta sat there this whole time .

Turns out that now it is economically viable. 3 mile island is getting reboot in order to power data centers. Sometimes economics change in big ways.

[twin dew]

It was marketed as 3D XPoint, but it never was anything like that in fact.
It was just planar with the memory cells oriented "down-up" on the planar die, but that is basically nitpicking.

And the base storage type is version of memristor.

storage as change of resistance.

[bronze jasper]

i can't find any sources on that. even the initial production run of 3d xpoint mem at micron was 2 layers

[twin dew]

Much better to think Optane and XPoint memory as slow and cheap NVRAM that can be PCIe attached.
Not that good as FLASH competitor in general space, but was great for cache use etc.

[bronze jasper]

covid 19 probably did most of the damage to their plans for optane products. It can still be unshelfed down the road. The demand for memory is never going away

its not good as a flash competitor right now, considering it's manufacturing cost. like i said though, economics can change

the economics is it's only drawback compared to flash memory. it's MUCH slower than dram but insanely faster than nand flash

[twin dew]

Intel tried to only sell them as cache for HDD, using their chipset RAID functionality, in consumer space.
And in enterprise space tried mostly to sell them as NVDIMMs for use with highest end Xeon CPUs, taking space from normal DIMMs and needing special coding to be used at all.

And completely seemed to bypass the write-cache use otherwise, and even for that consumer cache use, tied it always to THEIR solution for that, so people didn't understand they were actually just standard NVMe drives.

[bronze jasper]

they sold em a few ways. pcie cards, HDD cache, and m2 form factor. I think they even made some ddr5 modules for researchers

[twin dew]

Yes, but point was, they only MARKETED specific very niche cases that were tied to their CPUs etc.

[bronze jasper]

NVMe is just a transfer protocol

[twin dew]

So they didn't sell in completely difference larger niche where they were absolute monsters.

[twin dew]

And the marketing always tied them to only work with specific generations of Intel CPUs with specific chipset RAID solution.
Not that they were actually standard NVMe drives.

And worked as such in any system.

[bronze jasper]

your point was contradictory to the facts.

Intel tried to only sell them as cache for HDD

[twin dew]

For the CONSUMER drives.

Rest were enterprise.

[bronze jasper]

the most succesful sales were pcie cards

[twin dew]

And even in enterprise space, they tried to only really market those NVDIMMs, not the "normal" drives.

And never tried to market the normal drives for use as cache-drives in enteprise space.

The enteprise normal drives existed, but were ignored by the marketing side.

The point since start was that Intel MARKETING failed completely with Optane.

[bronze jasper]

the dimms were researchers only, not enterprise products. and the pcie cards were sold in the prosumer space. Enterprise typically use raid boxes for that stuff.

i'm not sure why the distinction between consumer and other markets. especially since we're talking about it's viability for competing with flash memory

[twin dew]

No, Optane NVDIMMs were completely normal product, but segmented to only work with highest end Xeon variants.

For the DDR4 Optane NVDIMMs

Intel Optane persistent memory is designed for use with the 2nd and 3rd Gen Intel Xeon Scallable Processors family and is enable by a sub-set of processors, primarily enabled by the Gold and Platinum tier models.
The Intel Optane PMem 200 series is enabled with 3rd Gen Intel Xeon Scalable Processors.
The Intel Optane PMem 100 series is enabled with 2nd Gen Intel Xeon Scalable Processors.

[bronze jasper]

hardly normal since they required specialized hardware and software. You woudln't put them in actual production servers, since whatever software was accessing memory had to be modified specifically to do the weird access dance with optane in dimms. If you wanted to purchase them, you had to fill out a form and explain what your use case would be.

People who got them outside of that process were going through the after market

[twin dew]

That was large part of that marketing failure.
Only trying to drum up hype for that, with all the caveats, just to prop up Xeon sales.

[bronze jasper]

they weren't sold as a plug and play solution for enterprise at all

[twin dew]

Yes, that was what Intel marketing TRIED to market them as in the enteprise space.
Which then caused lot of people to mistake ALL the enteprise Optane products into that category.

Point was:
In consumer space Intel marketing tied Optane into their CPUs and Chipset RAID, when they were actually just NVMe drives.
In enteprise space Intel marketing tied Optane into Optane Memory NVDIMMs, ignoring the normal PCIe drives.
Causing confusion among potential buyers of the normal PCIe drives in both spaces and lot of lost sales in that space.

Where the big market would have been various write-heavy cache drives, where the long write life and bit-addressable writes instead of need to empty large parts in one go made for excellent performance and drive life.

As both write and read latencies were way lower than flash based solutions of same time, and drive life is/was multiple orders higher.

But that couldn't be tied to selling Intel CPUs, so the marketing didn't care.

As another layer in cache levels for drive space or drive write intensive stuff:
SRAM
DRAM
(Optane NVDIMM)
Optane
Flash
HDD

[bronze jasper]

there's also tape storage at the bottom there

[twin dew]

And Optane NVDIMMs didn't make sense because it was just better to fill those channels with actual DRAM instead.

For most users.

[languid gulch]

how about this: NVMe socket, but have it bifurcate out into 4 slots for 4 NVMe PCIe x1 drives so they look like heat sink fins

[soft bloom]

heh nice to eventually check that your prject grew in size 4 times... in couple years

[maiden coyote]

I never would've thought turning my pc on is like resetting a blown fuse in factory.. just way more trauma inducing.

I should've got a bigger ups.. or.. done what I'm doing to do now and not plug this pc into the ups

[languid gulch]

do they make inside-tower UPSs?

that'd be a great use of that stupid empty space in front of the PSU

[twin dew]

No.
How would you get the power cable first to that UPS and then back out for the PSU?
And if you wanted UPS after the PSU, it would be just much smarter to make intergrated unit where PSU has batteries.

[languid gulch]

ooooooh i like that better

do SFF PSU guts, but in one of those super fat 1600W PSUs for the batteries

[glossy glacier]

That space is intended for cables and hard drives

[languid gulch]

which is nice

but also starting to become more and more outdated

[twin dew]

Not enough small mistakes, in addition to the giant one.

[languid gulch]

whenever i see AI do something like that, i think of Iron Man 2 when that one attempt by someone trying to make an iron man suit twists the pilot in half

[mental oriole]

[languid gulch]

garbage water appearance, seemingly on a rooftop that's completely clean of vents & appliances, person's angle and shirt wrinkles obscure writing (something AI still sucks at), closed & out of frame hands to obscure wacky AI finger attempts

it looks like it put jacuzzi vents in a kiddie pool

[twin dew]

My bad

[languid gulch]

i just like looking at that stuff to see how sus it is

[void pine]

HELP

I am writing as a concerned constituent to strongly urge you to oppose the so-called REPAIR Act. While it claims to expand options for drivers, it would actually weaken data protections, open the door to hackers, and allow counterfeit parts into our vehicles — putting families like mine at risk. On top of that, this bill would raise costs at a time when affordability is already a major concern for hardworking Americans.

We need policies that protect consumer safety, keep cars affordable, and strengthen American manufacturing — not legislation that undermines all three. Please stand with American drivers, workers, and families by opposing the REPAIR Act.

I just.

I am speechless

There is no way this is actually what car companies think, that they have to collect your data

😭

[twin dew]

Would affect the car companies bottom line, so they are against it, and then do astroturfing with whatever content they think as most likely to have an effect in their wanted direction.

The arguments thrown around don't have to make any actual sense.

[glossy glacier]

Pure bullshit and anti right to repair propaganda
Take a look at Louis Rossman on YT

[glossy glacier]

No sense, just fear

[twin dew]

Astroturfing. Company paid propaganda made to look like grass roots actual humans.

[twin dew]

Time to play with some lead bricks...

[twin dew]

And NOO! I have to leave home and go buy a cold chisel! I thought I was done with christmas shopping already!

[night girder]

Friends invited me over for Christmas day, so I also have to go out again to shop 😕

Though I did the worse yesterday. I am not looking forward to it. So ... much ... people ...

[twin dew]

Fortunately hardware stores aren't that big christmas shopping destinations, but much more traffic in general.

[night girder]

Well. I am happy and sad at the same time.

My friends don't want hardware. So I have to go to a shop that is flooded with people. Buy chocolat or something.
I am happy my friends aren't into hardware. Expensive AF atm 🤣

[twin dew]

Not PC hardware, building/tools hardware store.

[night girder]

Oh.

I guess I could give every some nails.

[twin dew]

Needed to get chisel to cut those lead lumps into smaller segments without using something like saw that would create lead scrap/dust.

2kg diving belt weights I need to use to weight down a tall TV stand base.
And got the base yesterday and found the best place to put that lead out of sight etc.
But need get smaller segments of lead.

[soft bloom]

minutephysics reminds us again that definition of a planet, as it is atm, is deeply flawed, practically unscientific.
and, linked one good paper that explores history of the question

[soft bloom]

And what's even worse is how it is presented in media

[visual tree]

Next year is going to be a shitshow since EU is making electronic invoicing mandatory for B2B and we use SAP which is very rigid and isn't customization-friendly

Some received eInvoices are not registered in SAP for some reason

Not to mention my friend knows people who actually work for SAP and they have no solution for this atm....

[soft bloom]

Yay, time to rapidly implement something

[visual tree]

Biggest problem with eInvoice is that a scammer could pretend to represent some company and send a fake invoice with his personal IBAN and if companies don't check eInvoices, they could be transferring money to scammer instead of the company

Companies are also afraid that services offering eInvoice could collect their business data and sell it to third parties or have poor security which can result in data breach

One cybersecurity expert here warned that the system is not ready but government keeps ignoring him and pretending everything is fine.....

Considering how bad IT security our government has, this is not going to end up good....

[wanton orchid]

don't give them ideas

[soft bloom]

Ability to look up any camera would be a really nice feature if not... people willing to abuse it for bad stuff

I mean, you could sort of watch out for your children when they are of age gaining some independency, or watch elderly.
It could be a sweet feature.
Just like social media could have been a neat place to meet new people and find old friends... But it all got turned upside down.
Because bad intentions ruin it for us all.

[void pine]

i'll let you all figure out what's wrong.

[dire igloo]

idk what exactly you searched for, but that's an awful lot of adapters and HDDs for an SSD-related search

Tho I guess it's sorted by price ascending

[void pine]

Connectivity Technology

[twin dew]

Amazon for you, the third party listings aren't really policed for which categories they are posted into.

[cursive fable]

@cobalt ivy

Running Proxmox and had the dedicated running in a Debian VM

[cobalt ivy]

noice, i used to have a simmilar one, but gave it to a friend when i moved, as well they are heavy

right now i just have the edge pc running ubuntu server on bare metal, as well its not strong enough anyhow for running multiple vms

[cursive fable]

Yeah, it's an old poweredge r320 :/

[cobalt ivy]

but it would help if i didint set it to dhcp and it decided to shift ips, so now im over here running nmap to find what ip it went too 🤣

[cursive fable]

I really should upgrade it to something more recent though. Did just get a nice bonus this year 🤔 😏

[cobalt ivy]

hows the white noise

[cursive fable]

Been there done that way to many times.

[cobalt ivy]

my only issue with the older servers is they are loud, like at spin up, you could hear it clean accross the house

[cursive fable]

Soo, I have this smol closet thing from the bathroom and it sits in there. It's definitely the warmest room in the place, but I don't ever hear it 🤣 :

[cobalt ivy]

i had a rack for it, but it sat in a loft area, so definietly not a closed off space, just had nowhere safe to put it, i was in vegas so the garadge would easily go 130f and past that

[cursive fable]

Ugh, soo jelly. Would love to be back in the desert (NM for me). Not stuck in the every craptastic Midwest 😒. But yeah, definately an issue.

I have seen many seem to be using the IBM mini PC things for homelab setups anymore. And more and more 10" rack setups

[cobalt ivy]

i like the trees, but california is too stable for me, i dont like it that its 56 in summer and winter, i perfer the snow.

[cursive fable]

But, I figured I would just get a few drinks and peruse eBay one night and end up with something 🤣

[cobalt ivy]

im using a optiplex 7060 with i5-8500T and 16gb of ram, idk how well it could even run a satisfactory server

maybe i should just put a minecraft server on it . . .

[cursive fable]

Yeah, I'm not even sure myself tbh.

[cobalt ivy]

i looked it up and it will run, but barely

[cursive fable]

What's the min?

I do have my shop PC, my old main pc, which if I recall, is a 12900k with a 2070Ti

[cursive fable]

And, like 32gb ram I think ....

Now I need to do some nmap as I don't fee like running down to the shop 🤣

Oh, wait ... I can just use Unifi device list .... 🤦‍♂️

[cobalt ivy]

my network is split, im just using a unifi wireless access point (i do some vr so i needed the speed), but im using an raspberry pi running OpenWrt for the router

[cursive fable]

Was running just PFsense for the longest time, running on one of those smaller celeron fanless setups. Then went ahead and dropped for the UDM Pro. Using the ACP Mesh AP's, but the speed doesn't seem to be that great for some reason.

[cobalt ivy]

noice, besides for the speed issue, have you tried troubleshooting it yet?

[twin dew]

Every mesh hop on same band about halves the speed, basic physics.

For single user, with multiple gets more complicated.

Better mesh APs use different radio and channel for the backhaul because of that.

[cobalt ivy]

true, i forget people use the mesh without the hardwire backend

[cursive fable]

Eh, I don't use the wifi that much tbh. I spent the time and ran conduit from the house to the apartment here and to the shop. So the majority of my stuff is hard wired. And I have it segregated with Vlans for the person renting my house. afaik, they don't see to have any issues.

[twin dew]

With wired backend it isn't mesh anymore, just bunch of APs.

[cursive fable]

It tripped me up one day when i was getting some really shitty speeds from the main desktop here. Turns out, cat knocked the cat6 out of the UDM and the network automatically picked up through the AP's lol

[cobalt ivy]

sounds about right for a cat, i try to keep the cat out of the room

[cursive fable]

Yeah, I don't go into my house as much as I proabably should. I have had some rack supports around forever to get the stuff properly mounted. Just havn't felt like it 😛

Mostly I have just been waiting for the ISP to get off their ass and get fiber to my neighborhood. And was then going to rip out the lines going to the apartment and redo it all with SFP

[cobalt ivy]

oh im never getting fiber where im going, probably will always have to be on satalite, i plan on going more rural like 40min outside of city, but still deciding where. its just too darn expensive rn

[cyan crescent]

I hate ea so much rn. In order to play mass effect legendary edition on the steam deck, it basically requires an internet connection all the time which is impossible for me.

[cyan crescent]

I need ideas for phones that aren’t apple. Tired of this shit.

Camera doesn’t matter at all. No Samsung or google phone.

[soft bloom]

hehe, I found this cool thing:

i = ("a", "c2", "b", "c3")
d = {
  "a": lambda: print(1),
  "b": lambda: print(2**4),
}
r = []
for el in i:
    if el in d:
        r.append(d[el])
    elif el.startswith("c"):
        r.append(lambda: print(el[1:]))
for f in r:
    f()

predict the output

well, at least llm knew what's the problem and how to solve it. which is... surprising, what attention can do

[soft bloom]

xiami? for fans of chinese big brother
nokia? for fans of microsoft big brother
there are some privacy focused ones
also ur best option is probably just opening large marketplace and filtering what you expect, and then starting to nail down the options

[twin dew]

Nokia branded Android phones had nothing to do with Microsoft.
HMD was just licensing the name.
Now they have stopped doing that and are trying with just HMD name.

[soft bloom]

oh I just remember nokia as the one brand to make windows phones

[twin dew]

Yeah, MS plant CEO to Nokia Phones sold the company to MS to be the OEM brand of Windows Phones.
Killing Nokia Phones own phone OSes.
But once MS stopped trying with WP, HMD was formed from old Nokia phones people and licensed the name to make Android phones.
Like Jolla/Sailfish was formed from old Nokia Phones people too to continue Linux based phone OS development from Nokia Maemo/Meego line.

[dire igloo]

Probably Motorola or Nothing then

[twin dew]

But as Jolla didn't get the closed source bits from Nokia, they had to redo the UI etc.
So Sailfish doesn't have any real direct roots in Maemo/Meego.

[dire igloo]

At the very least, name and branding

[mortal yacht]

I'm getting 5 9600x, 5060 8gb on GIGABYTE B850 AORUS ELITE WIFI7 ICE.
Any recommendations before buying them?

[glossy glacier]

get the 16GB version of the 5060

[pure karma]

merry christmas tech goblins

to another year of teribble prices

atleast im happy with my setup going into the great tech depression

[visual tree]

And happy new electricity prices

Since building AI data centers means utility companies will drastically increase electricity prices

[sterile plinth]

Does SVM mode (bios virtualization) affect gaming performance? I saw some threads online saying it does

i use wsl once or twice a month so im not sure if its worth leaving on

[soft bloom]

honestly, reading the names it feels like compeltely different universe

[dire igloo]

*don't get 5060
ftfy

[glossy glacier]

Leave it on
Rather have no advantage with it on than a huge disadvantage with it off
I think windows uses it for some security stuff too

[pure karma]

anything but a 60 class card even if your deperate to stay either 50 series for the 4x frame gen

also an interesting thing i found out about recently is apple encouraging adblock on safari and promoting it too

[languid gulch]

would doing something like a 7600X for $100 cheaper (same platform which will be supported for at least 1 more generation), and putting that extra $100 towards something like a 5060Ti 16gb (or better) be the better option?

iirc the difference between a 9600X & a 7600X is significantly less than the jump from a 5060 8gb to a 5060Ti 16gb

[twin dew]

Tiny bit less performance when Windows is using virtulized security, which it does if hardware virtualization is available.
Just being enabled does nothing, OS has to actually use it for there to be any change.

But IIRC you can force Windows to not do virtualized for main OS side if you want to.

It ever only got one "finalized" phone, just at the end.
Nokia N9: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N9

And Nokia intentionally didn't release the keyboard variant for sales:
Nokia N950: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N950

Everything before those two were basically OS development phones released for sale to enthusiasts.

But that MS plant was already Nokia Phones CEO at that point, so the release was intentionally gimped in various ways.
As basically the decision to kill all Nokias own OSes had already been made and had just to be finalized, and if Meego-Harmattan had sold well, that would have been mark against full move to just Windows Phone.

Which is why it wasn't sold at all, and the non-keyboard variant got sold in very limited countries...
I had E7-00, which is very close with late version Nokia Symbian OS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E7-00
The keyboard was so nice for text input when you wanted it, and didn't make the phone that much thicker.

Basically Nokia was on the way to even save Symbian, when the board panicked and went that Windows Phone route instead.
After years of neglect.
With Meego finally being ready and having basically same UI layer as latest Symbian versions.

So Symbian in short term and then move new phones over to Meego.
Killed just when the strategy was starting to work and sales were turning back up.

And large parts of the world, Symbian phones were still the most sold phones on OS level...

Symbian had the market share to actually get apps.
WP never did.

And Google also saw MS as arch nemesis and did all kinds of fuckery to keep their services like YouTube as bad as possible on WP, which they didn't do for Symbian.

With Symbian moving away from the old bad S60 programming environment to new QT + QML one for apps.

[dire igloo]

Don't forget 9060xt and b570/b580.
Plus, unless you're running AAA max settings high res, 8gb should be more than fine and 16 isn't worth the $100+ difference

obv depends on usecase, Nvidia is still a must pick for stuff like AI training and professional blender renders

[twin dew]

And do remember this was 2011, Android wasn't anywhere near the powerhouse as now.
And Ingress only came out in late 2012 for Android, and in 2014 for iOS.

So if Nokia hadn't killed Symbiand and Meego, you might have seen Ingress done with QT+QML for both before iOS version.

[verbal raft]

it is

[soft bloom]

earth.com/news/dark-photon-theory-double-slit-experiment-doubt-quantum-light-interference/
Another model

[soft bloom]

trip to desert is cheaper

[soft bloom]

ever wondered why satirical videos on wealthy powerful people exist?

[oblique hamlet]

he needs to start telling that to the ai companies. might help the memory shortage

[bronze jasper]

that's apocryphal. it started as a joke because of the bill gates quote about 640k of ram. but even bill gates never said that either. i guess the joke continues to have legs

[soft bloom]

Tech conspiracy time:
Crypto - gpu prices rise, shortages
Ai - memory prices rise, shortages
What is left to have a true, truly your pc? Cpu, storage.
What happens when you can't have your custom build pc? You rent computational power (cloud services, subscription models) or you buy something packaged for you (laptops, consoles, mobile phones).
Then you can barely use consoles because their model is to pay for subscription for games. Then you can't use your smartphone because there's so much shit on it you can't control and no privacy.
Freedom to customize and be agile is slowly taken away... And that not only means more money spent where we don't want, but also less over control over what and how.

[visual tree]

"You will own nothing but you will be happy"

[thin trout]

it has significant performance cost (typically 1-10% loss) but significant security implications

[twin dew]

And you can disable Windows from using virtualized security via other methods, not just by disabling the whole HW level virtualization support.

[thin trout]

Yep! Windows can be a bit of a pain with re enabling it or saying that it's off when it's actually on though. BIOS disable is just taking it out of the OS hands, because it can't work without it

[twin dew]

But much better idea if caring about that performance difference, and want to use VMs on the machine.

[strong mural]

The eternal struggle of "Do I upgrade my computer or wait until it dies?"

[visual tree]

Why do I have a feeling like the RAM crisis is one big conspiracy where they will make new PC too expensive and people will then have to pay for cloud gaming?

[strong mural]

these days anything is possible

[visual tree]

Hence the mentioned quote earlier "You will own nothing but you will be happy"

[strong mural]

It'll be years before I go to DDR5 unless I buy a prebuilt. I'm over building things myself anymore

Im debating an upgrade to an AM4 chipset atm

[visual tree]

I have AM4 atm and consider upgrading GPU but I don't think that's going to happen unfortunately

[strong mural]

Damn. I upgraded my GPU early this year. My CPU is from 2017 tho and I think its starting to show its age

[visual tree]

I have Ryzen 5 5600X and RTX 3060 Ti. Wanted to replace GPU with RX 9700 XT

[strong mural]

Ah, I dont know much about AMD GPUs. I went from a 1660ti to a 4070

My CPU is a i5-8400. Thinking about going AM4 Ryzen 5 5600

[visual tree]

Also noticed Dying Light: The beast runs better on my PC than Dying Light 2. Guess it's one of the rare examples where a new game has better optimization than the previous one

*although ray tracing was recently introduced with an update and the initial version didn't have ray tracing

[strong mural]

Interesting

I've started doing a lot of sim stuff so Im concerned I may hit a ceiling pretty quick if I dont upgrade

[verbal raft]

Maybe you were using some RT in 2 then
IMO DLTB isn't as optimized as people say it is, game looks boring, dull, it doesn't even have grass shadows as far as I can tell

It might run fine but it looks like a 5 year old game or somethin

[visual tree]

I had RT in dying light 2 100%

Tried to lower other settings but it didn't help much

A lot of games today have poor performance even without RT unfortunately afaik

[twin dew]

The vuln, which dropped just before Christmas, in theory allowed memory read without authentication. Patches are available. It impacts every version of MongoDB going back about a decade.
https://doublepulsar.com/merry-christmas-day-have-a-mongodb-security-incident-9537f54289eb

[sterile plinth]

Guess i'll turn off Virtual Machine Platform from here, that should do the job

[night girder]

Kinda sad it has to come to this. Title that clarify they don't use AI.

[twin dew]

That would disable Windows Subsystem for Linux too.
Following only disabled VBS at some point:

"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\DeviceGuard" and add a new DWORD value named EnableVirtualizationBasedSecurity and set its value to 0 did the trick for me.

Or possibly: bcdedit /set hypervisorlaunchtype off

Might need to be 2 and not 0 for that first one.

[sterile plinth]

its impossible to use wsl2 without svm as far as i know

[twin dew]

Should not need Windows itself being virtualized.
Needs to have that virtualization support available.
And lot of the instructions for how to disable VBS disable all virtualization support.

And not just VBS

So disabling in BIOS kills WSL, unticking that Virtual Machine Platform kills WSL.

But there is group policy setting to disable just VBS, and it is under that Device Guard section.

And setting that to Disabled added that:
Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\DeviceGuard
DWORD: EnableVirtualizationBasedSecurity = 0

Also "Locked" = 0

[dire igloo]

Replacing one dead platform with another
Might as well go used 9700k and save yourself the money for a new mainboard

[strong mural]

I thought about it but theyre really hard to find in good condition

AM4 has support until at least 2027, per AMD so not quite dead yet

[dire igloo]

Three reasons to make changes to your PC:

• you want a new aesthetic
• something broke that needs replacing
• it no longer meets the requirements for your usecase

[dire igloo]

Doesn't change the fact you can't feasibly upgrade from it

[pure karma]

isent that AM5

[strong mural]

I dont think so. I'd hope AMD isn't going to drop AM5 after only a couple years

[strong mural]

From it or to it?

[pure karma]

i mean 2027 woudl make AM5 a 5 year socket

and knowing AMD nowadays they would release more random cpu's for probably another 3

[strong mural]

Cripes has it been that long already? Shiiiii

[pure karma]

yea AM5 released in 2022 no?

[dire igloo]

From it. What would you swap to once you want to replace the 5600?

[strong mural]

Who knows, with how long I go between upgrades probably be something from AM7 or 8 or whatever is aroudn then

This computer was built in 2017 and I haven't changed the Mobo or CPU since

[twin dew]

And need to remember that that "supported" includes AGESA security updates etc.

And chipset driver updates etc.

[night girder]

asrock has a new one.

4.03 2025/12/16 17.48MB
Instant FlashUpdate method icon
Flashback
Update AGESA to ComboAM5 1.2.7.1 for upcoming CPU compatibility.

[twin dew]

New APU series coming to AM5, and couple new 9000-series multidie refreshes.

[night girder]

yeah, read something about it

that's why I didn't bother to install bios update

[strong mural]

AM5 is appealing but I'm not willing to build what would essentially be a whole new computer, nor pay RAM prices rn

[dire igloo]

So not only new CPU, but also mew mainboard and new RAM.
So why bother buying an AM4 board now?

[strong mural]

I have an AM4 board already in a different PC. So I'd just swap that one into my current rig with the new chip

Also cheaper

[dire igloo]

Swapping to AM4: new CPU, new MB
Swapping to AM5: new CPU, new MB, new RAM

unchanged in both: GPU, PSU, storage, case, cooling

[strong mural]

Swapping to AM4 is just the chip, and maybe a cooler if I can't find the mounting bracket

[night girder]

They do have a point RAM is expensive atm.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, if you own it already, fair choice.
What's with the other PC that you have its mainboard spare?

[strong mural]

Used to be an HTPC I built for my parents years ago that they gave back to me

[dire igloo]

Yeah, absolutely agree. I'm just arguing that going am5 is no more or less a new PC than going am4.
If anything, I'd say am5 is easier to do cuz you don't need to unmount the RAM

[strong mural]

Made it on the AM4 platform with the 2600G I think

[dire igloo]

Ah okay

What MB is it?

[strong mural]

MSI B450 I think

It would need a bios update

[dire igloo]

That's a brand and a chipset, not enough to be a model.

Bios update should be easy cuz you already got a working CPU inside it, even one with a GPU output

[strong mural]

Cant do links apparently, MSI B450I Gaming Plus AC it says

[dire igloo]

Remove the https:// and it goes through

[strong mural]

tbf I'm not opposed to building/buying a whole new system, it just wouldn't likely happen till end of next year

www.msi.com/Motherboard/B450I-GAMING-PLUS-AC/Specification

[dire igloo]

Good enough for a 5600, but cooler compatibility might be an issue given it's ITX

[strong mural]

Yeah I have one that should work just fine, I just need to find the bracket. If I don't have the bracket, a replacement cooler that I can use as a spare is $50ish

[dire igloo]

Honestly speaking, if your PC is good enough, it's good enough.
Keep it as it is, you can always swap to am4 later

[strong mural]

I've been watching the stats while playing this and I seem to be hitting about 94% usage on CPU and about 60-80% on GPU, so it seems fine for now. I'm in the middle of building a sim rig it's going to power so we'll see how it works then

[dire igloo]

in the US, $30 gets you a high-end dual tower (ID-Cooling Frozn A620 Pro)
it's already more than overkill for a 5600, so anything beyond that is pointless

[strong mural]

Yeah, my case won't allow it so I'd be sticking with my $50 AIO I got a year or so ago that I've modded my case to allow lol

but as you said, overkill

[dire igloo]

Referring back to this:
Unless you want more performance than your PC provides, keep it as is

[strong mural]

I would love to move to a different case, but then I'd need a new PSU since this one is built in

[dire igloo]

What case is that?

[strong mural]

NZXT H1

[twin dew]

Did you get the second fix kit with new PCB?

[strong mural]

Nah, I just removed the part in question and replaced it with a zip tie

Haven't had any issues

[twin dew]

Not the crap plastic screw set, the actual fix kit with new riser PCB.

[strong mural]

Ah nah, I haven't had any issues with my riser PCB. Was there an issue with it?

[twin dew]

ground and power fills were right up to the screw holes.

Which the metal screw then shorted.

[dire igloo]

Yep. If you screwed it in with a metal screw, it was possible to connect the 12V plane to the grounded case walls or the ground plane, creating a short and a fire hazard

[strong mural]

Ah yeah thats why I got rid of those screws and used a zip tie instead

[dire igloo]

If it's stupid but it works, it ain't stupid

[strong mural]

Figure it was a 5c fix and I can't see it so meh

[dire igloo]

But yeah, no way an A620 Pro fits into an H1

Tho AXP120 might

[twin dew]

But still dangerous if the case ever gets into someone elses hands.
And making NZXT pay for their cost-cutting by getting the proper RMA fix kit would be better.

[strong mural]

Yeah I have an ID Cooling AIO I bought on Amazon last year that's been working pretty well. Have the 240mm Rad mounted to the back

[night girder]

What are we talking about? The motherboard?

[strong mural]

Fair points. Unlikely this case ever leaves me tho for a couple reasons so I'm not super worried about someone else getting a hold of it

[twin dew]

NZXT H1 PCIe riser PCB recall.

[night girder]

damn, that's crazy

[dire igloo]

Ah right, the riser, not the fan controller.
Fan controller was Torrent

[strong mural]

Yeah was a huge thing. At the time they just said it was the screws so that's why I went zip tie, I never bothered checking back in on it. I doubt they'd send me a riser now almost 4 years later

might have better luck buying a nicer riser on amazon or something

[twin dew]

That was them trying to be cheap, before they were forced to do real recall.

[strong mural]

Yeah no doubt, I'm just saying that's the one I saw - I "fixed" the problem, and then just never followed up

I didn't even know it was a riser until just now, I thought it was just the screws

[dire igloo]

The issue is the pcb of the riser, the easy fix is removing the metal screw.
Kinda like a puddle of gasoline and a lit match - the quick fix is preventing the lit match, the solution is removing the puddle.

[twin dew]

Might have to if you live in US, as it is official recall.

Forced by feds.

[strong mural]

Oh interesting, I thought it was a voluntary recall.

[twin dew]

That plastic screw one was.

[strong mural]

I'll send them an email then and see what they say.

[twin dew]

https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2021/NZXT-Recalls-H1-Computer-Cases-Due-to-Fire-Hazard

[dire igloo]

Might have to send it in

[twin dew]

Ah, forgot that NZXT has basically stopped operating.

[strong mural]

Honestly if I want to swap the riser I'll probably just buy one on Amazon. There's a couple with high reviews so meh

With the age of the case I'm wondering if the PSU has much more life left in it

Anyway - all that being said - I'll look into the riser issue, probably just order one on Amazon since it would likely take NZXT like 6 months to send me anything even if they respond. Probably also hold off on upgrading until later in the year

[bronze jasper]

in my experience, cheaper psus will fail after 5 years and better psus will fail around 7-10 years. Then the few and the brave will just keep going seemingly forever

[strong mural]

Ah if that's the case I'm hitting 6 almost 7 years on this one soooooooo

[jagged snow]

Anyone have experience with these mini PCs? This seems very compelling

[visual tree]

Never had a mini PC but heard they have big issues with overheating

I wanted a raspberry pi though so my sister can host tailscale at her apartment

[night girder]

I guess it depends on the model?

[strong mural]

Depends on usecase. I've used Raspberry Pis for stuff without much issue but I've never messed with anything outside of like a Mac Mini when it comes to a full fledged desktop

[night girder]

I did see a old one few days ago with fans at 100% and hot to touch.

but I don't know the brand or model.

[visual tree]

I hate RDK platform modems where you can only reset your modem or check status through a web browser and can't configure anything....

You can only configure settings through a mobile app and it's only SSID name and password, port forwarding and dynamic DNS

And that's it

[glossy glacier]

why is the ip "8.8.8.8"?

[visual tree]

I changed my actual public ip to google dns ip (via firefox inspect element tool)

But the SSID is real. I changed it recently so my neighbors know I love The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

Although most of my neighbors are pricks and I don't want anything to do with them

It's sad you can't trust anyone today to watch after your house and give them keys while you are on vacation

*or maybe I am too cynical like Cooper Howard from the Fallout series. Sometimes I can be cynical like him lol

[bronze jasper]

"Surveillance Van 42" is one i used to use

[visual tree]

Oh, good thing we don't have a government agency driving around in a van doing surveillance here

Although we have TV licence inspectors checking if people who don't pay licence have electronics receiving TV signal and people never let them inside their homes

[bronze jasper]

I think Coop, like Harold, ||isn't quite a typical ghoul. I'm thinking he was exposed to the FEV and we'll find out soon||

[visual tree]

Not going to spoil season 2 but he does some insane things which I am morally against even though I might be cynical sometimes

[bronze jasper]

sometimes a fellas gotta eat another fella

[visual tree]

I feel like season 2 is going to tell how deep the conspiracy goes regarding major fallout universe corporations like vault-tec, robco, etc...

And I hope IRL corporations won't become like fallout corporations in the next 30 years...

Or something like this (if you haven't watched fallout season 1, don't watch this video): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OXAcpLKMSU

[bronze jasper]

right. in the next 30 years. 👃

[bronze jasper]

||his wife gives a whole entirely different context to the well known line, "war never changes"||

part of what i love about the fallout show is her father is muad dib from the original dune movie

i heard that the location of vault 31,32,and 33 is on the fallout 1 map

it's just all sealed up and never gets found by the master or the dweller

[visual tree]

Oh, can't talk about that in details because of spoilers 😅

[bronze jasper]

true

the mr houses, not that bethesda's are bad

i like 4's boston

Prost Bar is the best easter egg in 4 imo

fallout 5 is going to be the bay area. i hope they eventually do a NYC one too

[visual tree]

If fallout 5 happens, I hope it won't be as bad as starfield which was overhyped and bethesda called it "the best game they ever made"

Played it and it's really boring after you finish the main story

[bronze jasper]

i never finished it. just did all side quests mostly.

same for skyrim

[visual tree]

Although the main story is also boring tbh

[bronze jasper]

i dont understand the anger. It wasn't that bad of a game either. And it is a good launch off for future IP

i have a lot of criticisms of it still. particularly how bland the procedural stuff is

he never did a gdc talk about starfield

are you back on fallout again

[languid gulch]

but it's on sale rn!

[bronze jasper]

i bought it at release and gave it a good 60 hours

i'll probably go back to it too now that a modding culture is forming around it

as far as his twitter rant , i get it. Consumers of creativity ARE disconnected from the creative process. Always. It's just how it is. I think what happened after that rant was a whole lot of pearl clutching , mostly faked by drama farming youtubers.

[bronze jasper]

the outer worlds 1 and 2 hasn't impressed me at all

grounded looks neat but i've never played it

that's some serious buck passing

that'd be cool if it became possible to interact with windows that way imo. i also imagine they'll keep mouse and keyboard support still.

i played cyberpunk through to the end twice before the second patch had come out for it. on pc. it was fine on my pc.

i've played it through again each time i've got new pc hardware

[strong mural]

I played on launch on my PC, had 1 issue, 1 time. Was awesome

[strong mural]

Never really got into watchdogs myself

[bronze jasper]

i loved watch dogs 2. i would always go into invasion modes when they were really bumping and always had games you could find. then i'd roll up into people's city grid in the transit bus and just park. nobody ever suspects the bus.

and then i also got really good at evading and outrunning people who did find me

when i foudn out that invasions weren't in the new legion one i was sad

watchdogs 1 i had a poor people pc and palyed it at 12-20fps

[bronze jasper]

i totally forget what CPU i had when i played watchdogs 1. it barely handled it. sleeping dogs is the first game that it couldn't keep up with but i got rid of the stuttering by adjusting up the base clock in the bios a bit. i think i needed 200mhz more

it might've been a quad core

was definately amd cause i didn't fuck with intel until the ivy bridge i7 i had

[dire igloo]

can't generalize it like that, it's super usecase dependent
I got a super basic GMKtec G3 for 120€ as my media PC
CPU is an Intel N100, so there's nothing worth mentioning in terms of performance, but still more than plenty to put some Netflix or YouTube on my TV.
Never had it get hot to any noticeable level, the speaker amp right next to it usually gets a lot hotter

so unless you're looking for something to game or do work on, they're perfectly fine and heat is a non-issue (assuming proper hardware selection, idk how that Ryzen handles, but it's probably a mobile SKU anyway)

[languid gulch]

welcome to 1998 🤣

[languid gulch]

i feel like one of the problems in the industry that nobody wants to talk about is that working with the same people can get old

as successful as an end product may be, we don't get to see the day-in, day-out annoyances that everyone who works in an office deals with

never watched or played any of the fallout stuff 🤣

nope

oh definitely

he did such a good job playing the 1st doctor

nah, was just too poor and busy to own a console during the 2000s

yea, we only got Who on premium cable, and like months or a year after the original air

but also back then youtube let people upload full episodes of everything 🤣

we never got that one

yup

also the US isn't Commonwealth, so we miss out on all that stuff too

oof

yea very few tv series can survive localization

i think The Office is one of the only ones

oh 100%

depends on which kind for each to me 🤣

it's now been gone for twice as long as it was on 😛

Viggo's older than Ian McKellan was as Gandalf

i mean, yea

yup

they're also 25 years old now

it'd be neat to see the old cast in cameo spots in the new stuff

Sean Astin as a bartender, that kind of thing

the ed sheeran one isn't too bad either

i always wonder how bad our version of spoken Latin is since it went extinct for a while

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erkv1-_xR7U&list=RDErkv1-_xR7U&start_radio=1

wear some good headphones for this one

sadly no

gave them to my sister

every time i think that, i realize that we haven't even seen bad yet

not with the new AI garbage in production that hasn't been released yet

i'm in the middle of planning a room redo, and retiring the old bookshelf for a new one is on the menu

been thinking about getting rid of some of it, but a lot of it is university textbooks that are physical, and not ruined by AI crap

true

but some of their stuff is shockingly decent

their tabletops are ok

and if you're planning on doing anything modular with furniture, it's great

it'd be interesting to see some old IKEA stuff to see how it's changed

his family situation is still kinda weird

for some reason that never really caught on here

oh i mean the kilts

that i play, or listen to

eh, mostly old school rock stuff

i did get a "assemble it yourself" stratocaster for xmas

just have to decide on a finish/color for it before i actually build it

oh that's part of my room redo

i want to mount everything on the walls 🤣

[oblique hamlet]

Do any of yall have any ideas for troubleshooting my Lenovo thinkstation s30? It will not boot and I have removed many components, and the only things still plugged in are the mother board and the power cords of some fans.

I hate big tech

Nvidia just dropped support for my gtx 980

It broke my computer sleeping

[languid gulch]

meanwhile there's companies still making parts for 60+ year old cars out there 🤣

[oblique hamlet]

The injustice!

[languid gulch]

what's the drive on it?

[oblique hamlet]

SanDisk 2tb

With archlinux if it matters

[languid gulch]

checked to see if that drive model has had any major failure modes?

he was lead for The Police before he was out on his own

[oblique hamlet]

It is not the drive
The bios fails to load

[languid gulch]

ouchie

[oblique hamlet]

I also tried reflashing the bios and resetting the cmos

[languid gulch]

tried a fresh PSU just to see if it died?

[oblique hamlet]

I am saving for a new pc

[oblique hamlet]

The fans spin up though, so they are getting power

[languid gulch]

different rail maybe

[oblique hamlet]

The mb also gives mer error code 00,

[oblique hamlet]

So that is getting power as well

[languid gulch]

got a spare cpu to throw in it?

[oblique hamlet]

Maybe, I will have to check tmrw

I have to see if it fits

[languid gulch]

code 00 usually means something big, like cpu, mobo, psu, not working anymore

[oblique hamlet]

I cannot find the error code list, so I do not know

Also no beeps

[languid gulch]

i'm kinda tempted to swap my glass front panel out for an air one and add in some fans

[oblique hamlet]

Good for cooling

[languid gulch]

but i'd also want to swap out the metal cosmetics for wood

would cost like $300 to do it 🤣

[oblique hamlet]

Maybe just get a new case

[languid gulch]

fishtank design so not as bad

[oblique hamlet]

One of the open air ones

[languid gulch]

i wouldn't be able to resell this case, it's not popular 🤣 i wouldn't be out anything since i got it free, but blech

🤣

[oblique hamlet]

Thanks for your help, and please ping me if you have any other ideas

Ps, listen to slipknot and limp bizkit

[languid gulch]

yea, sadly when it's one of those kinds of issues, part swapping is the best diagnostic

[oblique hamlet]

Yeah

[languid gulch]

i think i must have gotten one of the few corsair veng ddr4 kits with 2 bad sticks

did see some B770 rumors this week

especially for the price

definitely proves that nvidia & radeon are full of shit

at one point i got my 6600XT up to 110C without an OC

oh no that scared me

it's gonna be interesting to see intel start to eat into radeon & nvidia consumer market share next year

lol

maybe those alchemist devs were right, Cleric is when arc will really be in a spot to compete

🤣

oh too many

lol

Forrest Gump

Bicentennial Man

Dragonheart

He-Man and the Masters of the Universe

Goonies

O Brother, Where Art Thou?

Jurassic Park (the original, all others suck)

Hook

🤣

oh yea

lots of people in that one

no problem 🙂

i do have an old CD of the Prague Philharmonic

doing movie soundtracks

🤣

• Lawrence of Arabia
• 1492: Conquest of Paradise
• Gladiator
• Last of the Mohicans
• Dr. Zhivago
• Pirates of the Caribbean
• Braveheart
• 1989 Batman
• The Magnificent Seven
• Edward Scissorhands
• Superman (original)

check those

true

How to Train Your Dragon

ET

those opening credits are incredible

Robin Hood Prince of Thieves should also be on your list

not a movie, but John Williams' 1984 Olympic theme is worth hearing

yup

decent music

Neverending Story

sadly no

it 100% looks like that tho

🤣

i mean, i have friends who have gone

BTS stuff

that's what made it worth going from VHS to DVD

hell, the Mummy DVDs came with a game

yup

it was terrible

i'd assume that spader probably just took it as a paycheck & didn't think it was going to turn into anything

you can tell he's a lot more into the dramatic part of acting

stargate would be a great MMO if the right studio got ahold of it

oh yea he was great

his angry ranting was fun

i've never played wow

somehow

my mmo is still going 🤣

somehow

nope

all of those make sense

went to 64 bit servers

3 months ago

oh the game almost died

it was functionally unplayable for a solid 2 months

DDO is turning 20 years old in april

yea got that too 🤣

i've never actually played it, just got it last time it was free

DDO has a big freebie code going on rn

there are some wow transplants

🤣

so is WotC

from what i understand DDO has a feel between WoW & OS Runescape, but with the D&D IP

whoever's working on some kind of Baldur's Gate MMO using the BG3 guts needs to hurry up

it's so fun

bg3 got goty for a reason, and not the "nothing else was even good that year" excuse that haters use

ngl DDO has kept me around because nothing has ever come close to its combat systems

sadly no

i didn't really start with any video games besides ddo until like 2017ish

i've spent 18 months in ddo going for a single item 🤣

oh that's the fun part

no steam achievements

it wasn't a pure grind

just 1 raid every 3 days

it was a stupidly useful item too

kinda

there's a bunch of expansions & "adventure packs" that are like tiny expansions that don't cost money, just the in-game currency to buy

tons of different public zones you go to in order to get to private instances for yourself/your party

and since it's D&D, it's almost all the pen & paper classic modules that people grew up with

so it's extra nostalgia-y

when it functions, yes

ddo has serious lag issues, and has since day 1

and they've never felt like properly fixing it

keyboard manufacturers should agree to some kind of universal side mounting "thingy". either a slide, or screw hole locations, something

it really sucks when a dogshit company makes some good stuff

see, i'd gladly shell out for that macro panel if it could attach to my current keyboard

[solar tangle]

yo

[languid gulch]

$700 btw

yea this one looks like it was ripped off of a chornobyl station

that's not just me is it

it definitely has that Cold War vibe to it

keyboard designed by engineers, icue designed by accounting dept

i have the only viable copy of it

nope

Redragon

M913

yup

it feels weird to use a "normal" mouse now

my parents saw both it & star wars in theaters when they came out, and they said that superman's intro got the better reaction

phantom menace is a masterpiece compared to 2/3 & the new trilogy

shoulda stuck to trek

JJ had the new formula for movie success

in 2009

🤣

the 2 big images i remember from that one are when Enterprise is being built on the ground and you get to see the scale of it, and it rising up out of Titan's clouds

[soft bloom]

Hey, I am not alone at thinking that singletons are like....terrible idea and can always be replaced by something better?

[languid gulch]

kinda close at one point, but no

yea, part of why i didn't was because i was young and was seeing a lot of people on this new thing called facebook being freshly divorced 🤣

i had 0 interest in doing something that might end in a mess like that can turn into

i had an aunt who was married 4x

my sister's wedding was his parents, my parents, 4 friends

they did the "not eloping, but nothing special" official wedding, but a great reception a couple days later

hoo boy 🤣

always nice to have a person to go to for a latin translation

[twin dew]

Ubisoft has been hacked, possibly multiple times, possibly via this.
https://x.com/vxunderground/status/2005008887234048091

vx-underground (@vxunderground)

Clarification post, previous post about Ubisoft lead to some confusion. That's my fault. I'll be more verbose. I was trying to compress the information into 1 singular post without it exceeding the word limit.

Here's the word on the internet streets:
- THE FIRST GROUP of

X · Dec 27, 2025, 8:12 PM

[mental oriole]

Security is only important once it's too late.

[twin dew]

But that whoever wanted intentionally to fuck with all MongoDB users with that exploit code release date...

[visual tree]

I have a hack-proof system: living in the woods

*without technology

[mental oriole]

[night girder]

Time to play Rainbow six and see if someone gave me skins.

[visual tree]

I need to change my iphone language to dutch. For some reason, I find those app names easier than english

[mental oriole]

Even I can read those names

[mental oriole]

Good luck :)))

[bronze jasper]

they're totally more than just agatha christie stories. Rian takes the entire murder mystery genre and all it's beloved tropes, and flips them all upside down and inside out. For instance, in the first knives out in the first scene, we watch the murder take place and know all the details.

They're some of the funnest murder mystery movies i've seen

[pure karma]

no tities is crazy

[dire igloo]

but what if you want to put boobs in your notes app?

[visual tree]

I am sure they have a dutch word boobs which means something completely different

[warped lodge]

🥱

🤤

[dire igloo]

I know that "ups" is a word in German, basically the equivalent to "whoops"
Which makes it quite funny to see a delivery company named like that

Also "Pups" (pronounce like poops) which is a diminutive word for fart

[visual tree]

At least I didn't have bad experience with UPS except one time where they always used to call me on the phone before delivery because the system marked that my address doesn't exist

DHL is the best courier imo. Rarely had issues with them

[visual tree]

This is bullshit statement from a manufacturer!

Not to mention CCA is not allowed in PoE environment

[dire igloo]

"is X thing worse than Y thing?"
"No, X thing isn't bad"

congrats, even if that statement was 100% true, you didn't answer the question
(and let's not talk about the fact that "cost effective" is rarely a good thing when it comes to quality)

[visual tree]

The manufacturer also advertises the cable as CAT6. Afaik, CCA cables can't be labelled as CAT in any case

Glad some countries banned using CCA (like Australia) in telecommunications. We should do that here too

I also hate when computer stores sell patch cables and claim they are pure copper but when you buy them and open the bag, you realize there is CCA marking on the cable....

[dire igloo]

heh, CAT advertising is hella funny cuz the overwhelming majority of network cables don't meet spec

also, flat cables exist and they make me mad

[visual tree]

I guess it's the stranded vs solid copper thing but I am not 100% sure

solid copper is probably the best one you can get

*assuming the quality is good

My coworker got a gigabit connection at his home and hired an electrician to install access points in his home since it's large and he needs solid coverage everywhere. He asked the electrician to install better access points (even though they are more expensive) with higher supported speeds but the electrician installed some cheap access points which only support 200 mbit/s or something like that....

Guess it's true when they say you should never hire an electrician to do your home networking

[visual tree]

Guess it's much worse than we thought 🤦‍♂️ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn1PcE68BY0

Someone please confirm I am not hallucinating and hackers actually stole source code for all of their products

[sharp matrix]

You aren't, hackers actually stole the source code for all of their products

This is such a epic level of fail I don't know what to say about this news, holy hell

Not really surprised in some ways, Ubisoft as a company has been fucked for a while, but is level of screwed up I didn't think was possible even for Ubisoft to reach

[rustic panther]

Well, at least the lone Ubi Mainz dev that had to come into the office on Christmas to turn off the snow in Anno 117 doesn't feel so bad

[sharp matrix]

Cool so with the source code for all of Ubisoft games out in the wild, how long until shit really hits the fan or has it gone through the fan and through the ceiling now

[visual tree]

I want to see ubisoft paying ransom to the hackers and the hackers still releasing the source code so ubisoft feels the pain of being scammed

Because that's how the gamers felt

[pure karma]

ubisoft has been long gone

[sharp matrix]

True, i think the source code being released is a good thing, maybe we'll see some decent third party games from that

I mean because the company itself cant make decent games anymore, the source code being out in the wild now raises some interesting possibilities as far as what can happen, aka some decent non Ubisoft games that are strangely Ubisoft like in original

[sharp matrix]

True I stopped playing Ubisoft games after black flag, imo that was one of the last good games from that company, it has all been down hill after that.

and lets not talk about skull and bones, i just want to pretend that abomination wasnt made

[visual tree]

Ubisoft executive: "Gamers need to be comfortable with not owning the game"

Hackers: "Ubisoft needs to be comfortable with not owning the source code"

[sharp matrix]

I forget the execs over at Ubisoft said that, the source code being taken for all of their games feels oddly just deserved in that context

[visual tree]

If buying a game means you don't own it, people should download pirated ubisoft games then since downloading isn't stealing according to ubisoft logic

[pure karma]

if we dont own the games you dont own them either type situation

[languid gulch]

it really shows how ridiculous it all is that it was 336 TRILLION DOLLARS "worth" of in-game stuff

[sharp matrix]

if buying isnt owning, then piracy isnt stealing

bottom line

[languid gulch]

easy solution to see which they'd prefer: make all "buying isn't owning" games 100% tax deductible

[visual tree]

https://youtube.com/shorts/5fg0iuzHxUE

The ending really hurt me

[languid gulch]

i knew i got spoiled at the beginning of the year, but now i feel extra spoiled, like getting the last mustang or corvette before mileage & emissions standards butchered them

[visual tree]

Wish I had the old 1967 shelby mustang. I just don't like the new design

[languid gulch]

my dad had a 1971 camaro Z28

absolutely gorgeous

gray with 2 black racing stripes hood to spoiler

looked like something out of Bullitt

or FAF

[languid gulch]

that & the C3 corvette have gotta be in the top 10 most beautiful american cars

[visual tree]

Btw, I don't like netflix either but hope Larry Ellison doesn't take WB Discovery. That man is a reincarnation of satan

[languid gulch]

there's quite a lot of those these days

[visual tree]

Especially when he said we should use AI-powered surveillance to keep citizens on their best behavior. Hope he drowns in a lake....

[languid gulch]

my opinion: sure. start with the richest, since they have the most influence and therefore the highest risk of bad behavior. then work your way down

[sharp matrix]

he wants ai to control us, wtf💀

look if he wants to install in the ai chip into his brain and give up free will, let him, just dont sign me up

[languid gulch]

no, he wants to control us, while shifting liability & responsibility to a nameless "AI"

[visual tree]

https://youtu.be/sQqQtgRdjZU

[sharp matrix]

Oh god so he wants to mind control people basically, sounds horrific💀

[languid gulch]

they're just rich incels who are way too bored

you can really tell that they spent their entire physically useful life running after money, and now that they have more than they know what to do with, they've figured out that medicine/health care isn't enough to keep them alive & perfect forever, so now they're taking it all out on us

[sharp matrix]

makes sense, hopefully death finds these people soon then

[visual tree]

Yeah, they want to control us so they can stroke their fragile ego

[languid gulch]

it's end stage capitalism, where once you have enough money, you start spending money to stop others from making more money/owning more

[visual tree]

At one point, money is not enough for them anymore and they want power

[sharp matrix]

I'm actually glad people cant live forever, society hasnt got to that point because can you imagine these psychopaths living forever

[visual tree]

And what great way to obtain power is than control the population

[sharp matrix]

then they would spend the rest of eternity making the earth a much worse place to live, im actually glad all people regardless of wealth still die, helps keep the corruption more in check, because death is still a equalizer

[languid gulch]

Kissinger made it to 100, my hopes aren't high

[sharp matrix]

will on the plus side they will only make it to 100 and death will still find them....

[visual tree]

I am sure rich and evil people in the future will be on life-support like Mr. House from the fallout series so they can live as long as possible while making other people's lives miserable

[sharp matrix]

I know that future is sadly coming to, god help us

I'm just glad I won't live lone enough to see a future where the rich are actively kept alive as long as possible, just to make the earth a actively worse place to live.....

[visual tree]

This might sound weird but I am glad my parents probably won't last more than 20 years so they won't have to witness what the world will look like in the 2050

[sharp matrix]

sadly I'll at least see what the world will be like in 2050, and im deep down worried....

[visual tree]

I'll probably work till 2060 or more. I feel sorry for my nephew who is less than 2 years old because he is going to start a career in a terrible period

At least I will let him inherit my house so he doesn't end up in debt

[sharp matrix]

Yeah I feel sorry for the future generations, I can already see things even now starting to get worse for each generation currently

unless something drastically changes, hate to say it but the future isnt looking that bright that the future generations actually having a future that is worth living

[languid gulch]

okwtf

$630USD for 64gb ddr4

at a microcenter

[jagged snow]

It just keeps going up

[sharp matrix]

Damn, this is such a terrible time to need ram

seriously 629 for 64gb ram, holy hell

whats even more crazy is that ddr4 3200, aka it isnt even fast ram nor is it even ddr5, thats insane

[pure karma]

its even more than that nwo tho?

unless it went down a bit

[sharp matrix]

if they are charging this much for ddr4 3200, lord knows what ddr5 6400 kits or higher would be

1200+ maybe💀

I dare not imagine but it wouldnt be good I imagine at all....

[pure karma]

this is in CAD but this is still like atleast 800USD

for 32GB

[sharp matrix]

wtf its even worse than I thought💀

[pure karma]

900$ for 32GB

of unspecified speed ram

[sharp matrix]

ahhh im so confused that shows in the dollar sign to

[pure karma]

is deranged lunacy

[sharp matrix]

so it isnt $1200 usd?

[pure karma]

no

[sharp matrix]

still 900 is crazy expensive already

[pure karma]

its the consequence of everyone using the dollar 😂

or copying echothers curencies

[sharp matrix]

especially for a 32gb kit, of unspecified ram speed to

[pure karma]

yea its insane

[sharp matrix]

yeah its still really bad price, way to expensive

[pure karma]

crazy thing is i bought my kit of DDR5 32GB 6400 for 129.99 CAD

so less than 100$ USD 2.5 years ago

thats a what 8X increase now or something lol

[sharp matrix]

yeah💀

these prices are lunacy

[languid gulch]

k, stupid question time

that thing in windows where it bitches at you for trying to move a file while it's open in an app

is there a way to make it close that app and move the file instead of being stupid

[pure karma]

no idea

[sharp matrix]

medium.com/@roscoe.kerby/how-to-move-a-folder-when-something-is-blocking-it-folder-in-use-the-action-cant-be-completed-81b33af49342

really wish windows had some generic "end any process that might be using this", command

its so stupid you have to guess what on earth might be using it and hope your ending the right process, even though windows most clearly know as its stopping you

but apu, windows wont tell you because....reasons

[languid gulch]

for all its supposed intelligence & predictive computing, god this stuff can be so fucking dumb

[sharp matrix]

i truly hate some of these aspects of modern os....

[languid gulch]

like, give that panel a "do this for all future similar actions"

[sharp matrix]

i mean seriously the os wont tell us what the hell is using something, so we can you know end that process if we want to do something with it....

[languid gulch]

just like there are with other windows panels

i do kinda worry what other functions that might disrupt

but ty for that link 🙂 might give that a go

[oblique hamlet]

Linux is a OS of the users by the users for the users.
In Linux: You can do rm -rf, and it will force delete the folder. The r is for recursive and the f is for force. If that doesn’t work, then sudo (give admin privileges to the command) it.

[pure karma]

we do not care

to be fair you can do anything on any os from the terminal at the end of the day

[oblique hamlet]

Then there is the answer to the problem. And that is what actually matters.

[jagged snow]

Very very untrue lol

Terminal environments are not created equal

Working in bash/zsh on a Unix system is worlds apart from windows

[languid gulch]

tempted to heat up my stroopwafel on my radiator

[jagged snow]

Grep/sed/find/and a functional ls are so much better than what exists on windows

[oblique hamlet]

Why not?

[jagged snow]

Do it

[pure karma]

thats the nice thing about using a exhaust aio is that you get much cheaper room heating

[languid gulch]

i don't wanna get crumbs on a $300 AIO

[pure karma]

my room sits at 24-26C with only my computers heating it and its -20C outside and 2 of the walls are exterior walls

[oblique hamlet]

find -type d -name .git | parallel --eta --bar “cd {}/.. && git fetch”

Wow! All the git repositories under your current folder are now up to date, and in parallel too!

I could never go back to windows

[oblique hamlet]

Put a filter

[languid gulch]

15C outside rn, 21 inside

[languid gulch]

oh even with the filter on

[oblique hamlet]

Run a benchmark then to burn the crumbs away

[languid gulch]

lol

[oblique hamlet]

Or put something under the stroop wafel

Maybe a coffee filter?

[languid gulch]

well that just makes too much sense

[tribal kraken]

To me that is 2 false logics. Computer is not any cheaper than direct electric heater of same power, you just get the computing for free. And exhaust/intake airflow direction does not matter. If the computer is the room, all heat will spread there either way

[tribal kraken]

Powershell select string has worked for me as grep the 2 times in my lifetime I've needed itv😂

And I have scheluded blackout for grid service. Same time with the worst or first snowstorm of winter. UPS batteries are empty after 1 hour

[pure karma]

More heat gets exhausted into the air instead of trapped and transferred into the case

We literally went over this thats its thesame heat output just into different places are air temp is what you feel so its what matters

[jagged snow]

No I think you had the wrong takeaway from that conversation

[night girder]

Somebody told me.

That it doesn't really matter 🤣

Eventually, it all balances out (room temperature vs anything producing heat).

We had some sort of similar talk in this chat about a month ago.

[twin dew]

https://www.gog.com/blog/gog-is-getting-acquired-by-its-original-co-founder-what-it-means-for-you/

[visual tree]

@dire igloo They are closing down Müller here and leaving the country 😭

Tney are more expensive than others but at least they had a variety of products I couldn't find anywhere else....

[dire igloo]

I never really cared about them tbh, but that's probably cuz my hometown doesn't have one

Funfact: their logo is the same font as easyJet and Uncle Ben's

[visual tree]

I usually buy office supplies there + sweets

They have a huge variety of chocolate boxes

Ok, I fell for the journalist clickbait crap.....

A lot of media websites literally put "Müller is closing down in Croatia" as an article title but when you start reading the article, It says it's closing down a specific store in a shopping center.....

I f****** hate those clickbait news

[bronze jasper]

Tennessee is drafting a law that makes it illegal to be friends with or seek emotional support from an AI

[visual tree]

I would like to see how they will control that

[bronze jasper]

Class A felony to trian an AI to act like a friend

[visual tree]

Me: "ChatGPT, can I be your friend?"

[bronze jasper]

legiscan.com/TN/bill/SB1493/2025

[visual tree]

Government: "Believe it or not, jail, right away!"

[visual tree]

Oh, that's different

Your wording sounded like you can get in trouble for asking AI to be your friend lol

[bronze jasper]

oh yeah my bad. i dont always get legalese right, so thats why i rely on sources

[visual tree]

My former coworker who is a lawyer trained me to catch people on technicalities

Also, when the contract clause is unclear, just twist the meaning of the clause to your advantage

[night girder]

I hate ambiguous laws and contracts.

[visual tree]

I had introduction to law in business school and despised it. If I actually studied law, I would have committed suicide

Lawyers also hate Roman law since it's one of the most difficult subjects

[night girder]

The whole point of having both, is to have clear rules. And sometimes, they put in some "open for interpretation" sentences on purpose.

[visual tree]

Don't you hate when a contract has a fine print which leads to another document. When you open that document, you realize it has a fine print which also leads to a third document....

[night girder]

then when it comes to a legal dispute, both parties have to pay lawyers and use court time to clear it up.

Disney World is arguing a man cannot sue it over the death of his wife because of terms he signed up to in a free trial of Disney+.

Jeffrey Piccolo filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Disney and the owners of a restaurant after his wife died in 2023 from a severe allergic reaction after eating at the theme park.

Stuff like that.

The entertainment company argues it cannot be taken to court because, in its terms of use,** it says users agree to settle any disputes with the company via arbitration**.

The ambigious part is here, that Disney+ terms of use, also applies to Disney World restaurant. Which is a sucker punch from Disney.

[visual tree]

Wait till you read car insurance fine print. It's literally a chain of references and you would have to spend a whole day reading multiple documents if you want to be sure you are not getting tricked by insurance

[night girder]

And then some people are wondering why people don't bother reading it all.

[visual tree]

It's like EULA. There is no way I am reading everything

[night girder]

We clearly should read it. But it's so much. And for some of it you basically need a lawyer. Which isn't as accessible (expensive) to everyone.

[night girder]

and understand the fully legal implications.

[visual tree]

Some software or games require you to scroll to the end before you can click accept. That doesn't make any sense to me

If they want to prove you accepted EULA, they can see you clicked on the "accept" button. I don't see the point in making you scroll a long text

[night girder]

hehe Seems epic has some clausule as Disney. Was checking their EULA.

2. You and Epic agree to resolve disputes between us in individual arbitration (not in court). We believe the alternative dispute-resolution process of arbitration will resolve any dispute fairly and more quickly and efficiently than formal court litigation. Section 12 explains the process in detail. We’ve put this up front (and in caps) because it’s important:

If you provide Epic with any Feedback, you hereby grant Epic a non-exclusive, fully-paid, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, transferable, sublicensable license to use, reproduce, distribute, modify, adapt, prepare derivative works based on, publicly perform, publicly display, make, have made, use, sell, offer to sell, import, and otherwise exploit that Feedback for any purposes, for all current and future methods and forms of exploitation in any country.

That first sentence alone ...

[visual tree]

I wonder how lawyers aren't suffering from depression. Reading that text makes me want to pull my hair 🤣

[night girder]

non-exclusive, fully paid, royalty-free, irrevocable, perpetual, transferable, sublicensable license ...

Yeah, I am still trying to understand it 🤣

And that's just one sentence.

i think it's says this; "if you give use feedback, your soul belongs to us."

"exploitation in any country." - but I already found a loophole. They didn't mention space!

[visual tree]

Btw, if you ever visit a fast food chain or a coffee bar and notice the coffee is too hot, spill it on yourself so you can win a lawsuit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald's_Restaurants

I got burned by hot drinks multiple times but this coffee was clearly too hot because the victim got third-degree burns and had skin graft

[pure karma]

if you need to have that many words to say if you give us feedback you dont own it is enough proof there anti consumer

[bronze jasper]

I dont know about other countries, but in canada there is a few caveats with unclear contract language. When it comes to licensing, it favors the licensor. The contra proferentem rule

ambiguous contract language isn't always a good thing for the party trying to protect their properties

"Ambiguity Goes Against the Party That Proffered the Contract" is what it is in most cases

[void pine]

No H.256/HEVC decide?

[void pine]

#off-topic-media message @raven quest

[visual tree]

Yay. From 2027, I will be able to sue my own city if PM 2,5 particles are too high according to the new EU directive

[languid gulch]

that sounds like a dumb way to regulate

i understand why, but also, just lower emissions asap

[twin dew]

Trying to force those local governments to regulate and control.

[visual tree]

We already got fined by European Commision for not adopting renewable energy and carbon emission directive

[languid gulch]

why yes, i'm sure Nestle is all kinds of intimidated by the Town Council of Bumfuck, Nowhere

[visual tree]

curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2025-03/cp250030en.pdf

Taxpayers are already paying for the fines

[languid gulch]

how does that work

[twin dew]

Who finances the local government?

[languid gulch]

it's just odd to me

[visual tree]

Not sure how the comission collects fine but I guess they will simply reduce your government budget

[languid gulch]

so the fine is collected from everyone, and then goes to the area where the offence took place?

[twin dew]

Just attempt at speeding things up.
So that instead of EU making countries making locals to regulate and control, the locals would be proactive.

And allowing for much more diverse regulation depending on local requirements, instead of more uniform forced from top stuff.

[languid gulch]

i'd also at least be sending investigators after any private companies involved in it

[twin dew]

Both good and bad at same time.

[twin dew]

That is what the local level is supposed to do.
Set requirements for anyone operating in their area, and monitor that they are actually following.
Basic thing for operating permits etc. that are usually local level things.

[languid gulch]

i always forget that the EU has way more protective powers at every level vs the US

here trying to get anything moving at the local level is arguably more difficult than passing a law in Congress

ok my system looks amazing in this color

[twin dew]

Basically attempt at making something "simple" that would force the local level to be more proactive in managing and enforcing the existing country and EU level environmental laws.

As my take on what might be going on.

[sharp matrix]

love it, great job indeed😍

[visual tree]

I also love how the purple LED is not too bright since I have trouble sleeping at night if there are lights around

My PC has RGB and I made changes in BIOS to turn off all the lights on motherboard when PC is turned off

Blue LED is the worst when it comes to sleeping

[languid gulch]

oh same

i definitely have it off when i'm sleeping

i just really wanted to find a different look than the almost universal red or white

[visual tree]

Ok, I was supporting banning the sale of dangerous firecrackers to prevent injury but the ban has backfired

Now kids are buying weak firecrackers and attaching them to a gas canister....

[languid gulch]

darwin award for the kids, criminal negligence charges for the parents

[visual tree]

I love an italian proverb: "The mother of idiots is always pregnant"

[languid gulch]

little shits like that wouldn't not do that without a ban, they'd just have an easier time of it

[visual tree]

The place was at the school so it was 100% some crazy kid

Not to mention they did the same thing last year at the exact same place

[languid gulch]

that kind of shit is why the US will still jail minors

if it was an adult doing that they'd be facing domestic terrorism charges

[visual tree]

Btw, guess who burned this skyscraper 3 weeks ago

Some kids broke into the building and managed to set papers on fire on the top of the building

Now they have to demolish the whole skyscraper

[languid gulch]

yea i'd say prison for the parents

and roll a dice for sterilization

[visual tree]

Or perhaps it was a conspiracy where some companies paid kids to set the skyscraper on fire so they can buy the land for a discount

[languid gulch]

if there was a suspicion of that, i'd eminent domain the land

[visual tree]

It unfortunately happens here where people intentionally set area on fire to decrease the property value

[languid gulch]

20 years, no building on it

or put a homeless shelter on it

[visual tree]

Oh, I am sure some big company is going to build a residential/commercial skyscraper at the exact same place

[languid gulch]

sadly

[visual tree]

I heard rumors they are now selling areas in California for cheap where the fire happened recently. Wouldn't be surprised if it was all intentional

Burn the place down, decrease area value and then buy it for a discount

[languid gulch]

meanwhile for the last year people who have still been paying mortgages on land with no houses

[visual tree]

We recently introduced a dumb law where if a company shares ownership of some land/property with somebody else (even if it's a private person), they can take the whole property by force for an "Investment" by declaring it a public interest....

Basically, eminent domain where you simply declare you plan to build something and say it's a "public interest"

Not sure how the company has to compensate the other co-owner. Hope they have to pay them a market value

So the company can't simply say: "I consider this property worthless and I will pay you pennies. If you refuse my offer, I will take your ownership by force by simply declaring an investment plan with a public interest"

[sand saddle]

How do I figure out this connection type? Google reverse image search didn't find it. It's from LG VITSA 2.0 Cell Module Assembly

[visual tree]

They just arrested someone in my city for possession of 23 kg of banned firecrackers and rockets

[sharp matrix]

I don't care if its a minor, they do this sort of shit they deserve some serious jail time, assuming they didn't die already.

Seriously that is beyond ridiculous, possibly killing themselves and anybody else that might have been near this bullshit.

[night girder]

Tips on cloud solutions with privacy, security in mind and being affordable? I slap you with a trout if you say Amazon or Google

cold storage btw.

[twin dew]

I had at some point looked at IDrive and Jottacloud as options.
Both are supposed to have end-to-end encryption if you don't use the browser interface, in which case they get the encryption key decryption key.

[night girder]

Thanks. somethign to look into.

Now looking into backblaze, but I have little hope.

and if possible EU based. Backblaze is foreign.

[twin dew]

Jottacloud is supposed to be Norway based for the company itself.
IDrive is California.

With lot of offshoring to India.

[glossy glacier]

Home NAS with (your own) VPN

[night girder]

IDrive looks sketchy af, ngl. Cheap ass website.

[night girder]

=_=

I am backing up my NAS to a cloud.

Most NAS owners know this to be a golden rule, house catches fire, bye bye NAs.

[glossy glacier]

Ah, my bad

[night girder]

😄

I didn't mention it, couldn't know. Just funny 😛

[glossy glacier]

A friends NAS with VPN then 🙃

[twin dew]

Offsite backups are important part of any backup strategy.

And some offline backups in addition preferred.
But if the backup solution provider has versioning included then that is much less important.

[night girder]

I just want it to be

1. Safe (encrypted?)
2. Be in EU. Altough I am not sure where my data is safe atm. EU is doing a with hunt for CP. And the rest of the world is doing a witch hunt for nothing.

And I don't need the backup to be accessible like a lot seem to offer. So not like google drive etc.

This is what synology itself offers...

and proton also has cloud option. But it's like google drive.

That jotacloud looks interesting, the unlimmited.

Depending on how bad they throttle upload speed after 5TB

For most people, Jottacloud Unlimited is a great choice. Even though speed is gradually reduced after 5 TB, most people will never reach this limit. If speed worries you, check out Jottacloud Pro!

Well Jottacloud, if you say so. I mean, I have to believe what the website says right

and they didn't specify how they throttle upload speed... for real ...

This feels like a scam.

[twin dew]

https://docs.jottacloud.com/en/articles/3271114-reduced-upload-speed

[night girder]

Atleast they have AI bot that's going to 100% help me.

[twin dew]

Includes the upload speed limits in table.

[night girder]

Who cares about download speeds when backing up to the cloud. Fucking AI.

They burried that stuff deep. Wow.

0.1Mbit/s above 50TB

Found this.

[twin dew]

Yeah, there are cheaper providers, but you have to provide your own encryption before upload.
Point was that those two supposedly had high-quality encryption done locally on the provided client, without sharing the decryption password with the provider (unless you access via browser and not client software).

And yes, IDrive at this point seemed sketchy.

[night girder]

I am just looking for more options.

proton also encrypts it seems.

but proton might be leaving switserland.

www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/a-first-step-in-europe-proton-slams-switzerlands-new-surveillance-bill-at-the-united-nations-forum

www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/is-proton-leaving-switzerland-legal-uncertainty-of-proposed-surveillance-laws-is-pushing-them-to-make-several-changes

I think I might go for jottacloud.

Ah, fuck. Jottacloud only works with their app ofc.

Which isn't available on NAS. ugh, I don't want to set up a docker container for this shit.

[twin dew]

Same with all the end-to-end encrypted storage solutions.
Either the storage provider has access to the data, you need to manually encrypt before sending, or you need storage provider software.

[pure karma]

those are some insulting speeds

[night girder]

Yeah, but synology has backup software.

[twin dew]

Just related to the cheap "unlimited" storage.
You can pay more to have full speed with higher storage than 5TB.

That 50TB for 1 user access is 150e/month without that limit.

12e/month with that lowering of upload speeds after 5 TB.

[night girder]

I don't mind the speed atm.

Just don't want it to be rocket science to set it up.

Might aswell go for C2 then.

[twin dew]

Yes, which doesn't do encryption probably.
If it does before send, then you can use whatever.

[night girder]

it does

Enable client-side encryption

When creating a new backup task, you can select Enable client-side encryption to encrypt the data on the client-side. This encryption feature is equipped with multiple layers of data security to safeguard your sensitive data. You will need to set up a password after enabling client side encryption, and an encryption key will be downloaded automatically from Hyper Backup.

Hyper Backup encrypts backed up data with a version key and the military-grade AES 256-bit encryption technology. A version key is randomly generated for each version whenever a backup task starts; therefore, each backup version has a unique version key. Subsequently, the created version key is encrypted by the ECC Curve25519 encryption technology and stored in the destination once the backup task is completed. ECC Curve25519 is an asymmetric encryption algorithm; that is, a public key is used to encrypt data and only a private key can decrypt the data.

When client-side encryption is enabled during the task creation process, the private key, which is equivalent to the encryption key shown on the Hyper Backup user interface, will be downloaded automatically to your local PC and will not be transferred to anywhere else. This private key is used to decrypt the version key that is encrypted by the public key. Once a backup task is created, the private key that is encrypted both by password and AES 256-bit is also transferred to the destination. After you have entered the password, the encrypted private key will be decrypted and will be subsequently used to decrypt the version key. Once the version key is decrypted, the backed up data will be decrypted and accessible.

[twin dew]

Eli sitten mikä vain verkkolevytila palvelu käy.

[night girder]

Well, that's not what cloud website says.

[twin dew]

Whops, wrong language.

Meant: in that case, any network storage provider that can be connected to is then ok.

[night girder]

docs.jottacloud.com/en/articles/1292892-backing-up-a-network-drive-nas-to-the-cloud

[twin dew]

As the file is encrypted already, and anyone wanting access would either need to break that AES256 encryption, or brute-force the password.

[night girder]

I wanted to know sure it would work.

[twin dew]

When using that NAS utility with encryption on.

[night girder]

So I hoped jottacloud would have had guide/tutorial/documentaiton.

But they just say; use our app or gl!

I understand. I wanted assurance before paying them.

[twin dew]

Yes, because JottaCloud is specialist for End-to-End encrypted storage.

[night girder]

Read the "documentation". It's shit.

[twin dew]

And you want anything but that in this case.

Because you have your own existing encryption already, so you don't need the provider to provide it in transparent manner.

[night girder]

No.

But atleast say; if you have your own encryption. Then fill in this shit "server" "login" etc ... you know documentation.

[twin dew]

I was writing email about cloud storage at same time in Finnish.

[night girder]

Guidelines? So a new costumer can see what the options are and not have to just gamble

Ah, I expect too much again I fear.

Still best option.

[twin dew]

Point was that Jottacloud doesn't provide for people with their own encryption.

If they did, then they would have to retain encryption keys, which would be counterproductive for their targeted niche.

Basically you need almost anything BUT JottaCloud for your need, of backups from the NAS with included backup utility, that can do encryption itself

[night girder]

Ok, so not paying for a service I don't 100% need.

[twin dew]

If the backup utility couldn't do encryption, THEN you would need something like JottaCloud.
Which is situated to be like Google Drive, Dropbox etc., just with actual E2E-encryption.

[night girder]

Why does all these cloud solutions come with all the extra crap pff... every single one of them.

I just want cold storage.

Germany based cloud solution.

[twin dew]

https://www.iperiusbackup.com/iperius-backup-online-storage.aspx#buy

But gets expensive at higher storage sizes.

[night girder]

yikes... those prices.

That's mothly!

[twin dew]

Because they are often cheap to provide on top of the basic service.
You just need to have also direct access via common protocol being supported.