off-topic-tech

[twin dew]

M.2 contains other signals beside those three included in that screenshot (SATA, PCI, USB), depending on variant.

[restive widget]

Ive seen a few a keys

[twin dew]

A-key is weird: 2 x PCIe x1, USB 2.0, I2C and DP x4

A+E is common, but I really wouldn't expect to see pure A anywhere.

Is that for some kind of weird PCIe 1x DP capture card, or weird PCIe 1x DP output GPU?

[dire igloo]

to clarify: M.2 is both connector and formfactor

[twin dew]

Family of form factors, denoted by the numbers after (size in mm, width in first two, then length in rest)

With 1216 being soldered, not card with connector.

[dire igloo]

Fair

[twin dew]

Tried to keep it simplified.
Same with that U.2 being both the connector, that most in consumer space would care for (PCIe over standardized cable and connectors), and the end device dimensions.

Where you care about the device dimensions if you are using hot-swap backplanes and drive cages.

[visual tree]

Used hdmi cable that came with Nintendo switch to connect work laptop to monitor and I get snowing effect. Fixed the problem by using another hdmi

Thx Nintento, you even managed to mess up hdmi cable

[twin dew]

Marginal for the settings.
Nintendo only had to include one that worked up to what Switch can output.

[visual tree]

Or bought it from a sketchy distributor and now you are distributing it to customers.....

[visual tree]

And I thought any hdmi will work and the only difference is how much bandwidth it can support depending on the hdmi version 🤣

At least, that's what people say

[twin dew]

And the lowest spec is up to 1920x1080 @ 73 Hz at 8bpc.

[visual tree]

Guess nintendo hdmi can't even handle that 🤣

[languid gulch]

cloudflare shit itself again

[visual tree]

Laptop and monitor have that resolution except that the refresh rate is limited by laptop

[languid gulch]

downdetector is down 🤣

[visual tree]

Baldur already posted this but I will repost it 😅

[twin dew]

I didn't post that one, but different one.

[visual tree]

Oh, sorry. I remember it was something like this

[twin dew]

.

Another newer version, people on internet really ran with that one:

[visual tree]

We should add vibe coders somewhere there

Although you could put it under AI

[twin dew]

The original of that is old XKCD

https://xkcd.com/2347/

xkcd: Dependency

Someday ImageMagick will finally break for good and we'll have a long period of scrambling as we try to reassemble civilization from the rubble.

[visual tree]

This is like when a company hires a developer who practically designed and maintained whole IT infrastructure and the company would basically fall apart without him

One day, they fire him because he is "expensive" and then later the whole company goes into panic mode when they realize what they have done

[twin dew]

"There are never any problems with IT, why do we pay for IT support person?"

[visual tree]

Lol, this quote is perfect 🤣

[dire igloo]

I like this version that Herg posted in a different server

[dire igloo]

There's also "we have IT issues constantly, what do we even pay our IT support person for?"

And working in IT is a constant back and forth

[twin dew]

Yeah, that is the other side, when the IT doesn't have enough resources or right people.

With the other being when IT Just Works, because the people doing it are making it work in the background proactively.

[dire igloo]

My favorite analogy for this:
Does your car work well despite regular inspections or because of them?

[dire igloo]

Source:
sysadminotaur.devolutions.net/comics/

Great stuff

[visual tree]

I once worked in college IT department and college principal compalined why do we need to replace broken server UPS with a new one

He shut his mouth when my boss told him we don't need UPS but the college website will go down if we lose power 😅

[dire igloo]

It's always funny to tell people in charge about fallback infrastructure and emergency safety nets

"we can certainly do without, but then XYZ might happen. Oh, and we'd be in violation of idk how many laws and regulations"

[twin dew]

Or like those UPSes.
Ok, you can do without those.
But there is very high likelyhood that any power-outtage taking the servers down for days to weeks, instead of just for the power outtage.
When they cannot do controlled shutdowns.

[visual tree]

Learned this the hard way on my NAS. When I had power outage and irregular NAS shutdown, one of hard drives started showing bad sector warnings

This probably would't happen with SSD but hard drives don't like sudden shutdown

[twin dew]

Major issue is lost writes, leading to inconsistent data.

[twin dew]

Most HDD:s use the spindown of the spindle to power up stuff for safe parking...
More likely it was from the other drives vibrations causing the single drives head to crash while parking.

Including writing any data still in the drive buffers onto disk while the spindle slows down, and the motor is used as generator for the electronics.

[visual tree]

It's time to retire hard drives

[twin dew]

In turn with consumer grade SSDs, they don't have power loss protection capacitors, that are used to write the redirection table and any in-flight data onto the flash in case of power loss.

And with HMB, you don't even have access to that part of the table so you even could try to write and preserve the latest copy.

[visual tree]

I once visited the basement of a commercial building and they showed me gigantic UPS'es in the server room

[soft bloom]

I am hungry, what the heck am I eating for?
I am full, what the heck am I eating for?

[twin dew]

https://about.netflix.com/en/news/netflix-to-acquire-warner-bros

Netflix to Acquire Warner Bros. Following the Separation of Discovery Global for a Total Enterprise Value of $82.7 Billion (Equity Value of $72.0 Billion)

[dire igloo]

Yeah, enterprise level UPS is crazy

[soft bloom]

huh, HiFi Rush is getting... better? after being acquired by Krafton, Tango gameworks releases patch that removes Denuvo

[soft bloom]

good thing I got reminded about what's convincing vegetation

I mean, you really need to dance around it to see flat sprites it consists of

[sand saddle]

No idea what they got in the Estonian Defence Forces but when our power went out then we had 0 problems running all the laptops, monitors etc for over half an hour until it came back. Only difference was no ceiling lighting, otherwise wouldn't have noticed a thing.

[soft bloom]

I saw generators capable of powering office parks
those are big, and very loud

[visual tree]

We also have UPS at work and there are special red UPS outlets on the floor boxes where you can plug in your laptop if you really need to work + all servers are connected to UPS

Some people abuse those red outlets though and plug in non-essential devices when there is no power

But this is kinda expected since I work for an ISP and ups-backup is basically industry standard

Lazy people complain about elevators not working during blackout because they don't want to use emergency stairs 🤣

I work on the 7th floor

[sand saddle]

Yup, we got to make fun of another office where some people hadn't plugged everything into those.

[tribal kraken]

We use our field service truck as backup generator if its "home" at workshop and theres long estimated black out from thunder damage etc. Just disconnect the workshop from the black outed grid and plug the truck generator feed in. It has a 80kW diesel generator on board.

But thats also how hospitals and datacenters do it, with diesel gens

Small battery backup for the time it takes to start them up

We dont have lasercutters of our own here unfortunately

[sand saddle]

The big generators need some minimum power draw tho. So smth must always be running or you got some fancier one?

In the army we needed to load all 3 phases a bit so had a 9kw heater running 24/7 even if it was blowing outside.

[tribal kraken]

All I know its Volvo Penta and has normal 400V 3-phase and 230v 2-phase outputs with pure sine wave so you can run sensitive stuff from it too. But usually on The field just mig/mag welders and angle grinders

Mounted behind the cab inside the cargo space

[soft bloom]

Is the
Rotation is keeping same distance
Linear motion is keeping same direction
Dumb explanation working well?
In the context of how to divide any motion into smaller ones

[twin dew]

Moving along axis of movement, or around axis of movement.

[bold tapir]

hotspot 110 is ok for amd i think

arc?

im happy about intel gpus in general cuz amd would have monopoly with those ai slop targeted nvidia chips

[pure karma]

Certified amd moment

[bold tapir]

for real

its not even overclocked

[jagged snow]

Is that a 3rd party card?

RDNA2 partner cards tended to have really really bad issues with cooler mounting shifting over time

[bold tapir]

usual chinese power color card, the issue is that i have heater under my table as well, and nothing i can do about it bc its mounted into wall

[bold tapir]

good thing is i dont have enough time to fry my gpu with heavy factory

[bold tapir]

pls someone rate tyler durden x bill cipher handshake i made with two stickers

[pure karma]

top 10 worst places to put a pc

under a desk, with a heater next to it, and in a case that looks more isolated than a space ship

[maiden coyote]

whacha cookin?

[violet valley]

laptop fans have a death wish

[pure karma]

they have so many blades there literally a water pump instead of fans

[languid gulch]

intel should come up with their own version of SLI if they haven't

$500 for 32gb vram bridged together sounds amazing to me

discord end of year thingy

check the flag at the top of the app

oh

sorry, i'm on desktop

and it's not a nitro thing either

oh, do a hard restart of discord, full close

might pop up then

oh my other main discord channel did all the jokes

it's one of those "gotta be active for a while" rewards i think

[pure karma]

yea i got a donut

[languid gulch]

ah

yea idk if there's tiers or something, mod in another discord of mine got a donut too

[pure karma]

seems random

[languid gulch]

ngl i did it mainly because of all the instant dick jokes that happened

[pure karma]

the donut is so lame lol

i got like the worst one

it dosent match my pfp and its just so ugly having pink

https://tenor.com/view/moderators-gif-19150697

[languid gulch]

definitely

also there's not thousands in here, where nobody can actually communicate

[pure karma]

i spent the entire day painting outside in -25

dont have much tech news to share

C

[languid gulch]

it's a frigid 9 here

[pure karma]

i dident get much painting done since the usual cold day thigns happened

ofc you get cold so you try and start the truck and the thing dosent even crank cause its so dead

then you try and open the hood and its frozen shut so you cant even charge the dang thing

and then after goign to war with the plastic difuser and abuse leverage to brute force your way in the battery is deffective and you have to chace down the recipt and go on a adventure to replace it

[languid gulch]

it's so cold here i almost have to wear socks at night

[pure karma]

and then you forget the stuff you needed to paint so you have to go back to the store 3 times over

and by that point your tired of the cold and mad

and its getting dark so you cant see

[languid gulch]

does the paint dry fast when it's that cold?

[pure karma]

and at the end of the day you got nothing done

[pure karma]

dunno i dont paint often

[languid gulch]

here paint dries fast because it's usually hot with 0 humidity

[pure karma]

after an hour or 2 the spray paint was still like 20% wet spots id say

[languid gulch]

that's not too bad

[pure karma]

advertised quick dry

so i dont know

[pure karma]

yea youtube mobile is abysmal rn

gambling ads and betterhelp (which is a scam) exclusively twice every less than 2 minutes

thats been the last week for me on mobile prettymuch

[soft bloom]

But how do you define "around"?
Would that definition work in different dimensions?

[twin dew]

No, that is the absolute max, and that spread between hotspot and normal temp tells that the thermal material between GPU and cooler has failed.

[twin dew]

For any nonchanging rotation, you have single axis, which is in 3D space.
Only forgot to include requirement for the axis of movement to intersect the object itself for both, for the linear motion that is basically given.
But for rotation if that "intersects object" wasn't in place, movement in arc etc. would count as rotation too, and that isn't right AFAIK.

Rotation, rotational or rotary motion is the movement of an object that leaves at least one point unchanged.

Ok, seems the official definition also allows for circular motion where the object turns with to count as rotation, so that "intersects object" is not part of it.
Just has to have static axis of rotation around which the object rotates keeping the same relative distances.

So left is circular motion, right is also rotation around the central axis/point.

So axis of rotation being top-down in the pic.

For the right.

[soft bloom]

the linear+rotation motion thing works in 2d, and should™ work in 4d too
I don't think applying 'axis' to a dot on a plane or plane in 4d is correct though
I mean, doesn't seem to be an axis to rotate around it, keeping distance constant

though theen there's ambiguity in something like rotating around a dot in 3d and so on
which wouldn't really match the intuitve way we think about rotation

[twin dew]

That is 2D pic, so it is dot.
In 3D that would be line top-down.

The principal axes of rotation in space:

With the actual rotation counting as something in the 3D space, in same way.

Those are just component directions we often simplify to.

[soft bloom]

question I had is how to dumb down the idea that you can describe any motion as combination of linear + rotation
linear seems quite intuitive, though I used "same direction" which is along the axis indeed, but that still needs some explanation
and rotation is around axis indeed, keeping same distance. so, does it have be axis of rotation? or is axis just whatever we choose to rotate around?.. heh

[twin dew]

You cannot.
Circular motion is separate for a reason.

And some motions are none of the three alone.

[soft bloom]

also this reminded me that technically you can describe everything as moving along helix spiral. just tuning parameters of the spiral: linear speed, rotational speed, radi, direction, you can sequence these to describe any motion. though this doesn't touch on object's orientation

[soft bloom]

yeah I was using rotation around for circular. more like orbiting

[soft bloom]

like what?

[twin dew]

Alone, that spiral for example.

[soft bloom]

oh, alone. ofcourse. that's why I asaid combination

as in, spiral is linear + circular

not sequentually, but at the same time

though you could delta t them and say they are sequentual...

[twin dew]

If such thing was possible, you would have the formulas already in existence.

Also remember that even that circular motion only deals with symmetrical or even just actually in circles movement.

Also see about the modeling of solar system as bunch of circles on circles during medieval times on how complex that kind of stuff gets even for just planetary orbits.
Even more when they still tried to do it with earth as the center instead of sun.

[soft bloom]

does it need formula though?
I mean, you have ones for linear and circular

[twin dew]

When the planetary orbits aren't exact circles.

[soft bloom]

there's a special case when you can 'draw' aproximation of any shape with furier transform. as in circular upon circular motion with different radi and rotational speed

yeah, I am not claiming that it's easy mathematically do describe compelx movement that way

but you could programatically. like movements of a robot with different joints

[void pine]

i have come to remind you of something

the nintendo switch is a thing.

also the cartridges are bitter

that's all I had to say, thanks for listening to my TED talk

idk aparrently bf6 is "alright"

but it's by EA, and has anticheat

and why are games so terrible when it comes to min. requirements

i don't care about having visible skin pores

the only game I played for most of my life is minecraft

i like intel

more... autismy

i wonder how they're getting licsenses for them

[twin dew]

Get VPN to pass the Anti-VPN gate 😉

But that is basically expected when using kind of public WLAN, which you were IIRC?

So you either need VPN that has exit point that isn't on whatever block list Intel is using, or need to use some other internet connection that isn't on the block list.
Try using your phone internet?

The actual mobile one.

[bold tapir]

Case is good, it has fans and meshes at all sides except that front glass

[bold tapir]

Ok so i need to replace it like i do on cpu?

[twin dew]

If still in warranty, that is better option if possible.
If not, yes.
But most CPU pastes will not work properly and will fail very fast.

[bold tapir]

No warranty, i need special gpu paste?

[twin dew]

Need either suitable paste for GPU/laptop, or something like PTM7950

[bold tapir]

Is it just better than cpu paste or some different principle working?

[twin dew]

With such high-end phase change pad really recommended.
Thermalright Heilos as little worse alternative.

[twin dew]

Problem is that most CPU pastes will either separate or just get pumped out.

Which has happened to your original already.

That kind of phase change pads have good enough performance, and don't suffer from either.

Thermal Grizzly PhaseSheet as another possibly easier to get alternative.

[void pine]

Aparrently thermal paste actually loses effectiveness when it dries out, even if you don't disturb it

[twin dew]

Yes, but if or how fast that happens depends on paste.
With most of the high-end desktop CPU intended pastes not dealing well with laptop/GPU type mountings where the mounting pressure is low and the dies and coolers aren't as flat as with CPUs.

So as permanent fix:
Honeywell PTM7950 via some third party seller
Thermal Grizzly PhaseSheet
Thermalright Heilos (v2)

As months to years fix depending the exact thermal paste: thermal paste replacement.

[bold tapir]

Thank you

I inspected gpu and thermal pads seem ok, not 'leaking' idk how is it called when they die

[twin dew]

Thermal pads on the other components don't usually degrade, except if they tear when you remove the cooler.
Any silicone leakage isn't important.
Some recent GPUs had pads that just slid out if the GPU was vertically mounted.

And you cannot see the GPU die paste without dismounting the cooler.

[bold tapir]

Yes and the problem is with die paste

I don't think im qualified enough to take it apart

At least need to see some guides

[twin dew]

And the disassembly is cooler model specific.

[bold tapir]

Can i not fix this with pc case cooling improvement, bc theres like 30 degrees delta no matter what?

[twin dew]

The problem is that large delta between hotspot and main GPU temp, which tells the cooler doesn't have proper contact with the die all over.

And that hotspot is hitting throttle limit for it, while main GPU temp is below throttle temp.

[bold tapir]

And it broke bc of heater under desk?

[twin dew]

Manufacturing fault.
Either at speccing of the paste, or in construction of the cold plate.

Very common lately for that to happen even under 1 year for new card.

[bold tapir]

I can see, when i quit factory hotspot temp spikes down to normal 80

[twin dew]

For some percentage of the cards.

Where the coldplate cannot really be fixed, but those phase change materials don't care the coldplate is not as flat it should be.

If there was manufacturing fault with that, and that caused the stock paste to fail.
And not just stock paste that wasn't suitable for the use.

[bold tapir]

So only way to fix the problem is to replace thermal paste

[bold tapir]

Until then i cannot load gpu bc it will fry itself

[twin dew]

That 110C hotspot is in theory safe.
But your actual performance will keep going down with time, as the card throttles more and more.

[bold tapir]

Performance did not go down yet

[twin dew]

It is very likely already significantly down from when the GPU would hit 95C normal temp throttle.

[bold tapir]

So its already slightly broken?

[twin dew]

With 100-105C hotspot at same time.

But depends on the exact card and cooler for how high the normal main GPU temp would rise at max TDP.

[bold tapir]

110 is not ok anyway

Suboptimal

[slender scroll]

what do u guys think? https://scratch.mit.edu/projects/1251524227

[dense lion]

absolute cinema but in the dirt level make the wooden pickaxes to wooden shovels instead

[slender scroll]

yeah i was planning to do that but then it whouldent match the theme but i can do that

[void pine]

i smell 10 year olds

[slender scroll]

its an shill project lol xD

[void pine]

i see many ways to improve the code

e.g this would be better replaced with a "when space pressed" and a "wait until not space pressed"

[slender scroll]

ok...

ill optimice it when im completly done

[bold tapir]

Ye, going on backup 1070ti now

[soft bloom]

opti mice is computer mouse that is secretly an opticon?

[visual tree]

Netflix just bought HBO 💀

[void pine]

HBO or WB?

oh, both

[void pine]

depends on what you replace it with

you really want something PTM so it doesn't dry or pump out

[bold tapir]

so i want ptm paste?

researching currently where can i get replacement pads and paste

[twin dew]

No, bad naming when referring to those phase change materials, where PTM is Honeywell branding for their lineup.

And that PTM7950 is the gold standard.

[bold tapir]

okay thatnk you

i googled what throttling is and thats exactly what i had some times

when used hypertube cannon rocks blinked, i think vram was giving up

[bold tapir]

repair guy said i need phase shift thing too. so i think i will give him my gpu for repairment

[visual tree]

Guess I need to spend less time on Discord

[dire igloo]

Unplayable on mobile

[void pine]

Why do computers advertise having AI

Like how Intel is really pushing their AI Copilot thingos

I don't understand, does anything even use the NPU?

[visual tree]

@twin dew Remember tha hdmi cable talk yesterday? I had a funny situation. Bought a new 4K terrestrial receiver with Android TV and used an hdmi cable that came with it to connect the receiver to 1080p TV. The receiver did not recognise my TV for some reason until I replaced the hdmi cable with my own one. Later, I used the hdmi cable that came with the receiver to connect my old receiver to another 1080p TV and the cable worked

It's funny how I never had issues with HDMI in the past but suddenly they started appearing

[twin dew]

Basically, as otherwise the repair will not last.
Paste can be used by people who know how to do it again and again themselves over the years, but really not worth it.

[bold tapir]

oh okay thank you

and each time i replace paste i will need to replace pads cuz they rip

[void pine]

Talk about HDMI cables?

[visual tree]

Yeah. Noticed HDMI cables that come with receivers or other devices today sometimes don't work but this was never an issue in the past

Well, in my case that is

At this point, it's actually better to buy some high-quality cable at the store instead of using an hdmi that came with a product

[void pine]

i prefer not to use HDMI at all

[visual tree]

If you have a monitor for your PC, you can use displayport instead but this is not the case with gaming consoles like nintendo switch or tv receivers/android boxes

They only use hdmi

[void pine]

some actually use DP internally

[tribal kraken]

Or if you want to use TV as monitor. Dunno if any have displayports

[void pine]

because HDMI licensing is weird, and so it is sometimes cheaper for device manufacturers to use a DP to HDMI chip to get the latest HDMI standard

this is commonly done in Apple devices

[visual tree]

I have a theory that manufacturers expect consumers to have their own higher-quality hdmi cable and that's why they put the cheapest hdmi cable in the box which might not meet minimum specs

[void pine]

i feel like it's just a value add so that they can say it includes one

i don't know, i don't use 4k, only 1440p and now my main monitor is 1080p so it doesn't even matter

[glossy glacier]

Because it is the "current big thing" and "everybody/thing needs it"

[void pine]

and literally nobody uses it.

like. you can't run AI on it

it's pretty much unsupported

[glossy glacier]

but they support it on paper ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[void pine]

yeah but...

i want to get apple neural engine working because autism,,, why use a hammer to drive a screw when you can use the screwdriver, which supports only screws

[tribal kraken]

Company Christmas party. Some racing against clock with some slippery conditions

[bold tapir]

ordered honeywell ptm7950 and thermal pads, they say stuff will arrive tomorrow

[bold tapir]

my geguessr ass can see finland)

[soft bloom]

pfff, rookie numbers

[soft bloom]

that's my man

[bold tapir]

where do i see these

[twin dew]

Do note that that stuff tears very easily, but doesn't care about the tears after first heat-cycle.

[soft bloom]

on desktop top right corner

[bold tapir]

tears when i install it?

[twin dew]

Tears when trying to remove the protective films.

[bold tapir]

did not load at first time and now i cannot find it

[twin dew]

While installing.

[bold tapir]

ah yes thank you i saw this on some review

[dire igloo]

On phone, in the You-tab of the app

https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/36415877391511-Discord-Checkpoint-2025

[bold tapir]

yes found, still wont load 😢

oh it loaded

[bold tapir]

uh i only did 10k

[mental oriole]

I sent zero messages because I can't see it.

Shows who cares about privacy 🤣

[tribal kraken]

Ofc it is

[bold tapir]

yes there is obvious finish red stick

[soft bloom]

more like nobody gave me a choice to disabl;e it sooner

[dire igloo]

Same

[mental oriole]

It's one of these...
dunno which ones because I've had them off for as far I can remember.

Probably the last one.

[pure karma]

were all a bunch of addicts

[soft bloom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihBWwjVDnEk

yay, demystifying quantum computing and enccryption further

[tribal kraken]

The clock is unforgiving. Finished second. Got beaten by 0,36 sec. When lap times were about 1 minute

[night girder]

Yeah I got it too. Fuck it.

It's been apparantly two years that I don't like discord direction 🙈

[visual tree]

Wait till you hear about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI2Ung26FEw

I have HBO lifetime 33% discount, guess Netlif will cancel that soon and raise prices....

[night girder]

alreayd heard.

[visual tree]

And make hbo content worse, of course....

[night girder]

I still pay for netflix because my mom uses it, else I would have cancelled ages ago.

[visual tree]

I am considering getting a TV plan from my ISP because you get Netflix + IPTV for 12 € although I am not really sure because the content is becoming garbage with some exceptions

Other options would be to pay my sister's boyfriend 2,13 € per month so I can register my android box to his name and watch IPTV at the same time on multiple devices

I should also give disney+ a chance and try prime video to see if it's any better

Amazon is too big for Netflix to buy but Netflix could afford to buy Disney too

• other smaller streaming services to get rid of competition and increase prices

[bronze jasper]

I dont think disney is for sale. The reason that netflix could buy warner bros isn't because they could afford it, but because it was put up for sale by the people who owned it.

[visual tree]

Hope Disney doesn't change it's mind and decide to sell the company....

I've seen great companies in my life that were destroyed in less than 1 year after the owner decided to sell the company and it deeply hurts me

We had an awesome electronics store here where I used to buy home appliances, phone, tablet and other things. Customer support was great in my case but everything went to hell when the company sold it's business to another larger company

Now it's just a shadow of it's former glory

Btw, I am not a big Disney fan but when a major company starts buying competition, it almost always ends up bad for the consumers

[night girder]

Tell me the last amazing show you saw on netflix (netflix eclusive ofc)

[visual tree]

The only one I know is Stranger Things, everything else is just meh...

Their last exclusive movie The Electric State was a huge flop

Ok, forgot to mention I liked Wednesday and Squid Game

[night girder]

I think the glory days of netflix are over 🙂

[void pine]

i got bored. turns out MLX models don't actually run on the ANE/NPU, best way to do that is to use anemell

see that's why I hate NPUs

why couldn't apple just. add ANE support to MLX-formatted models

why am i even wasting my time trying to get the ane doing something useful

i literally never use AI

[languid gulch]

the only time i use AI is to see how bad it is at doing something mildly specific

this is what i got when i tried for "robot lawnmower"

[languid gulch]

ok, dumb question time

is there a way to make gifs play in windows explorer?

[maiden coyote]

you wern't specific enough. lol

[languid gulch]

clearly not

[jagged snow]

Got the PC moved over to the new case, would absolutely reccomend the H5 Flow

Great design
My one complaint is that the cable routing shroud that is supposed to cover the 24 pin doesn't quite leave enough clearance and forces you to cram stuff a little bit without a right-angle connector

New cooler is great, PC is close to silent with a max recorded cpu hotspot of 65c after several hours of gaming

[languid gulch]

nice 😄

glad it was a good experience

no case is perfect, but some get close

[jagged snow]

Yep lol

Cable manage ment is solid

[languid gulch]

i know they're kinda frowned upon, but would a 90 degree 24 pin adapter help?

[pure karma]

thats just every NZXT case

and for some reasson it isent removable either

mine is the same since all there boards have right angle coenctors

[jagged snow]

Yes it is?

[pure karma]

It is?

oh… mine isent

[languid gulch]

i won't buy an NZXT case after watching that exposé by GN

corps killing themselves

i loved my P400As

still using all 3, just not for my current rig

[languid gulch]

i've noticed that a lot of new cases have the mesh rear panel now

[restive widget]

I like my case

Even tho my case fan holds up my gpu in the front.

[languid gulch]

hey, whatever works

[restive widget]

Looks better than rhe cheapo gpu stand

[languid gulch]

the floor jack, yea

i wouldn't use it if i didn't absolutely have to

what's even dumber is my floor jack is apparently $65

for a goddamn bolt

[restive widget]

Lol

Here ya go

Im not American

Unlucky. We still gotta deal with them...(.will not continue this)

At least u got walls

Water damaged area

The other wall just has the drywall removed

Yeah only 120 1ph

Well it was fun removing it. .

I like destruction

[languid gulch]

part of me says yes, the other part of me likes not having to hire a mason and a construction crew alongside notifying 2 historical associations that i'm removing a screw from a wall

[restive widget]

Yeah......well can be evil.....sometimes it needs to be done

[languid gulch]

did they not seal off the entire foundation?

next time i have to do electrical work i'm 100% using wago

[restive widget]

50s home

[languid gulch]

ah

i mean, now's the time for that spot 🤣

we overbuilt our house for american standards. exterior walls are all 2x6, all wiring is 14 gauge

[restive widget]

14 is code

[languid gulch]

insulated all the bathrooms for sound deadening

40x140

[languid gulch]

now it is. was 16 gauge when the house was built

[restive widget]

ahhh

our was 14 when it was built

[languid gulch]

14ga=1.6mm

[restive widget]

im not merican

[languid gulch]

they switched to 14 gauge here when they realized they couldn't be bothered to have electricians NOT put 16 gauge on 20 amp runs

[restive widget]

up here 20a needs to have 12

[languid gulch]

for a reason

oh no it's true

[languid gulch]

dumb question

[restive widget]

m?

[languid gulch]

what's the 2nd run out of that outlet going to

[restive widget]

ya mean the other socket?

[languid gulch]

the 2nd wire going out the bottom of that outlet in the middle

[restive widget]

another socket

[languid gulch]

and the top one?

to the panel?

[restive widget]

cant recall which one but that one is in the middle or is just after the pannel

[languid gulch]

kinda threw me off for a second, am too used to straight runs 🤣

makes sense to do that to keep it all on one circuit

[restive widget]

back corner in the bg is th outdoor plug

[languid gulch]

i managed to find that they put a SINGLE outdoor plug onto the same circuit as 2 of my bathrooms

[restive widget]

max allowd sockets iifc is like 10 on one circuit. we got max of 2 sockets per breaker

[languid gulch]

110V/20A

[restive widget]

all plugs in his home are 15a

includin the outdoor

240

[languid gulch]

we made sure all our outdoor ones were 20A, as well as all the garage ones

don't have to worry about tools popping breakers

[restive widget]

wher i am.. 20 a needs to have 12ga wire

[restive widget]

mine are m18 and m12

[languid gulch]

well, i did once. was using an angle grinder on the same circuit as the air compressor 🤣 took me a minute to figure out what happened

ooooh maybe our 20A is 12ga. would have to check

[restive widget]

mhm

10ga is 25 or 30....

wdym

240 at like 20 or 40 amps

[languid gulch]

ah. texted my dad

[restive widget]

no home will have over 240 in NA

[languid gulch]

house was built with 12ga for 20 amp, and then an "enforced" 14ga for the 15A. apparently there was a scandal in the area with builders trying to get away with using 16ga because of the whole "well, 20% over its max is still fine" logic

[restive widget]

Its not fine lol

[languid gulch]

exactly

[restive widget]

20% under

[languid gulch]

16ga is apparently 10-13A, but the logic of "15A is less that 20% over that" was being applied to magically save cash on using 14ga

i'd much rather have a single plug for it all

[restive widget]

try aluminum wiring lol

[languid gulch]

OMG 🤣

thank god i'm not in CA for that shit

that's almost worse than bad knob & tube

[restive widget]

hold on

[bronze jasper]

tabernak!

[languid gulch]

how about polybutylene water pipes 🤣

[restive widget]

it was all still live

[languid gulch]

hoo boy

fun way to find out you can dance huh

[restive widget]

(not my home

ins seemeb fine

[languid gulch]

absolutely cursed shit being done with aluminum in the 80s & 90s when people thought it was a magical new thing

started using it as plumbing pipe. too bad chlorinated water would leach into it and turn it more fragile than a creme brulee

[restive widget]

need pipe wrenches?

[languid gulch]

you'd be horrified at the 90ness of it

weird drywall shelving everywhere

[restive widget]

dead hx

[languid gulch]

couple years ago i had to reroute the condensation drain from one of my HVAC units

the old one was perfectly level, but below ground level. so every time it rained, it'd flow into the drain and fill it up with dirt & rocks

the big official A/C techs all wanted to install a goddamn pump and run a line up into the attic and over 2 rooms to reroute it

i opened up 2 walls and ran a fresh line with a visible gradient all the way out to the other side of the house for like $150 worth of parts & drywall and about $250 for my wizard of a drywall guy to come out and plaster it all

the A/C guys wanted $1800 just for the stupid pump

[sharp matrix]

I'm trying to find my void rays atm too busy for yelling!

Gosh and where is my delta flyers

[restive widget]

Thats waaaaaay too much

[visual tree]

My HVAC technician got into panic mode when I told him I am planning to install solar panels on the roof and suggested I should pay him €3000 instead so he can install heat pump for hot water so I can later replace combi gas boiler with smaller one for radiators only while the heat pump would supply hot water

He was like: "Noooo, you need solar panel mounts for panels, the water will leak into your attic, the roof will start to rot and you will have to replace everything!"

Later, I realized he went into panic mode because I am planning to heat my home with AC only and use a small gas or electric boiler for hot water which is much cheaper than the expensive combi boiler and easier to repair

In short, he was afraid he would lose a lot of money on me

Paid shill detected (or just misinformed idiot):

I mean, if you hire a bad installer, there will be leaks but you could use the same logic and say you shouldn't install water pipes in your home because there is a risk a bad plumber could potentially cause leaks in the future

Or you shouldn't install electricity in your home because a bad electrician could set your house on fire

[bronze jasper]

firefighters don't hate them. they just bring a lot of new considerations for them. different buildings have different characteristics. solar panels aren't any worse than regular roofs, but a firefighter has to treat them differently if they're there is all.

[restive widget]

if ur gonna do that i wouldn't stop you from installing solar panels ( as i am a hvac tech myself)

[bold tapir]

@twin dew you were so right thank you

[restive widget]

Omg

[pure karma]

Still pretty bad but better

[bold tapir]

nah compared to 120

[restive widget]

120 what

[pure karma]

should be within like 10C of eachother but yea compared to the max temp its solid

[restive widget]

True true

[bold tapir]

120C

on hotspot

[restive widget]

Jeeez

Hot spot yeah......not great

[bold tapir]

it was 110 but sensor maxed

[restive widget]

leme check mine

modded mc no fans ever run

[bold tapir]

wthats prob idle

[restive widget]

playin modded minecraft rn

[bold tapir]

minecraft is not any load unless shaders or good resolution

[restive widget]

hold on i got a idea

[bold tapir]

bruh it says 24 util

[restive widget]

i dont run mine that hard

video encoding hits it at like 27%

[bold tapir]

thats like youtube vid

[restive widget]

140 gigs

[bold tapir]

whats the point of using 25% of gpu

[restive widget]

i got the rest avail if needed

[bold tapir]

how much util is in factory

[restive widget]

in satis?

[bold tapir]

yes

[restive widget]

gotta update first

pfff

[bold tapir]

i hope you at least have qhd monitor with that 9070

[restive widget]

lol

[bold tapir]

cuz its kinda pointless else

[restive widget]

nope 1x 1920x1200

[bold tapir]

buy good monitor pls

[restive widget]

and 2x 1920x1080

[bold tapir]

your eyes will thatnk you

[restive widget]

i run 3 screens.... i dont need more than 60 fps

[bold tapir]

you need more pixel density for your eyes to feel better

[restive widget]

tbf theese work good

new game in satis

[bold tapir]

4k absolutely recommended

[bold tapir]

i get same 50 degrees on 60 util

so its just the load

[restive widget]

hold on

ima furmark this

[bold tapir]

yes that will show

[bold tapir]

you need other test

where its infinite

[restive widget]

what one?

[bold tapir]

you just lick on start testing or something

[restive widget]

tbf its hard to get the image aand do the test at the same time

ah i got ti to be the inf one

[restive widget]

how long do i run it for?

[bold tapir]

when temperature stabilises

how to spell that

[restive widget]

stabilizes

mb

[main sluice]

Nice card. What 9070 xt do u have ?

[restive widget]

running for 2 min and its quite stable

[restive widget]

xfx 9070xt oc

[main sluice]

Sweet. I have the Rx 7900 GRE nitro+ I love the look of the 9070 xt nitro +

[restive widget]

stable enough fior ya

[bold tapir]

ye good

[bold tapir]

BRUUH 340 watts

[restive widget]

thats why i dont run it hard

[visual tree]

Btw, I always wondered how the third return pipe for water works when you use a circulation pump to bring warm water faster to a faucet which is far away

I've always thought there were two pipes: the one for cold water and the one for warm water and they are both connected to a mixer faucet

[restive widget]

yes

depends on the install the 3rd runs from the end of the line for the hot and runs all the way back to the wh or combi boiler (depends on what you have

[visual tree]

I was planning on replacing my broken circulation pump with this one:

[restive widget]

ahh grundfos

[visual tree]

It's connected to a gas boiler and it has a timer/sensor so it only runs when it detects a flow

[restive widget]

that sounds normal

[visual tree]

The old was running constantly which only made me consume more electricity and natural gas since the boiler was constantly trying to warm up return water or whatever you call the water in the 3rd pipe

[restive widget]

hot return

plus theres lots of heatloss if the pipes arent insulated

[visual tree]

The new pipes were laid through the garden and they have good insulation. It was the only option since replacing the old pipes meant removing flooring and tiles

[restive widget]

no basement?

[visual tree]

I mean, it's for the kitchen and the old pipes are running under the house

[restive widget]

ohhhhhhh so no basement abd a tiny crawlspace?

[visual tree]

Not sure if you are from USA but the basement here is basically ground floor 😅

[restive widget]

canada

[visual tree]

Oh

[restive widget]

so yeha no underground its a crawlspace then

[visual tree]

Because ground floor in USA and Europe mean completely different things

[restive widget]

to me ground floor is the main level

basement is under that

[restive widget]

ye'

[visual tree]

We have no basement, just ground floor, first floor and attic (british english)

[restive widget]

ah

there may be a small crawl space under the home where the pipes are run. unless its built older when they werent there

[visual tree]

Unfortunately, there is only concrete under the house 😅

[restive widget]

ok

makes sense then

[visual tree]

That's why we had to run new pipes through the garden because removing existing ones would mean pulling out new flooring and tiles

[restive widget]

yeha that is a valid point

[visual tree]

I was also considering getting a heat pump but they are not compatible with one-way pipe system

So, in the end, a solution was to simply buy few air conditioners which can cool/heat the room and use a separate gas/electric boiler for heating sanitary water

[restive widget]

minisplits?

[visual tree]

You mean when each AC has it's own outdoor unit?

[restive widget]

well here

is it like a indoor wall mount with a front cover that can fold up?

[visual tree]

Oh, no, we usually have wall-mount AC

[restive widget]

any images?

[visual tree]

I recently bought this

[restive widget]

yeah thats called a minisplit

aka ductless mini split

[iron grove]

also know as single-split

[restive widget]

indeed

[visual tree]

Oh, those terms are confusing for me since I don't know much about AC

I only know about standard version and multi-split where you can connect multiple indoor units to a single outdoor unit but people avoid them because they are less efficient

[restive widget]

multihead split

[iron grove]

its a bit more nuanced than that, but yes

[visual tree]

So far, I am very happy with Mitsubishi, they are quiet are reliable

[iron grove]

multi-split is the main term I hear (EU)

[restive widget]

we do the same here

[iron grove]

both mitsubishies (electric & heavy industries) are pretty good quality from what I know

[restive widget]

we use wolf steel up here (canadian brand)

[visual tree]

I work for an ISP and we only allow Toshiba or Mitsubishi AC in central office where we keep network equipment that runs fiber to customers

[restive widget]

but they do 2 to 5 ton heat pumps

[visual tree]

Other brands are banned probably because of being unreliable although I don't like Toshiba AC tbh

[restive widget]

dont meet standards ig

[visual tree]

Not to mention AC in the central office runs 24/7

[restive widget]

like fan runs or the ac

cause you can set them to have the fan runing all the time to circulate the air

[iron grove]

I work with air-water and water-water heatpumps so not too familiar with the AC side

[restive widget]

ohhh geothermal

well some

[iron grove]

technically not really, although brine-water is sorta geothermal

[restive widget]

yeah i realised after i said it lol

[visual tree]

Speaking of geothermal energy, my city is doing a research right now because they found a potential source of geothermal energy

The city installed this massive drill

[restive widget]

ooo

[dire igloo]

1. why the 9070 then?
2. https://youtu.be/jCzjA5pdsNs

[visual tree]

My house is not connected to district heating so technically, I don't have benefit from geothermal energy

[iron grove]

properly done geothermal is really cool, but sadly only works in some spaces (I basically live in a marsh delta, so there is no real geothermal here)

[restive widget]

i hated my old gpu

[dire igloo]

what does "hate" even mean in that context? and why?

[restive widget]

i also dodnt go nvidea cause i dont like the new cards

[restive widget]

old....slow 1060 3 gig

mostly needed more vram

[dire igloo]

why not 9060xt, 7600xt, 4060 or B570 then?

[restive widget]

9060 was not much cheaper than th 9070

when i got it

[dire igloo]

also: if you play games for nice graphics, a nice monitor will go a long way

[restive widget]

its my money. i do run 3 screens and vr too so i over upgraded for future upgrades

[dire igloo]

that doesn't really make sense

only reason to overupgrade would be to avoid future upgrades

not to prepare for them

[restive widget]

exactly

i like it more......it works im not complaining

also rendering

[restive widget]

having a good day tho?

[iron grove]

yeah, weekends been great

[restive widget]

sounds great

[iron grove]

it was, but I am now tired and need to work rest of the week

[restive widget]

ah. i havent drank yet

[iron grove]

hows your weekend?

[dire igloo]

tbf, 9070 was great value a couple months back

but why AMD for rendering?
Nvidia's OptX/CUDA has their number by a long margin

[restive widget]

been good mostly doing some odds and sods.

[dire igloo]

anyways, upgrade your monitor, thank me later

[restive widget]

id prefer to not deal with the 12v hpwr

ik the issues and its a dumb design

[dire igloo]

good QHD starts under $150 (gs27qa)

[restive widget]

that just puts more usage on the gpu

[dire igloo]

most of the issues are user error, the rest is nonexistent on 9070 equivalents

[restive widget]

it isnt mush bigger than what i have rn

1x WUXGA and 2x fhd

[dire igloo]

don't judge before you tried. trust me, FHD vs QHD is a huge difference
and screen size is super irrelevant

and let's not forget that desktop WUXGA has been dead for years

so you're most likely on ancient panels

[restive widget]

i am and im not complaing it works for my other computer

[dire igloo]

meaning muddied colors, low contrast, blurry motion

[restive widget]

this dell is hot but works great

[dire igloo]

as I said, don't judge before you tried

[restive widget]

they still make em for desktops

[dire igloo]

iirc 9070 was sitting around $450 at times
I would've rather spent $300 on smth like a 9060xt and $150 on a good QHD monitor

[dire igloo]

do they still do R&D on new better panels?
or are they just reusing the same old designs cuz nobody cares about improvements anyway

[restive widget]

dall still sells em

and qhd

[dire igloo]

nope

you have either 16:10 WUXGA or 16:9 QHD

significantly different monitors

different panels under the hood

[restive widget]

selectable

yes different panels but on the site they still sell the wuxga

[dire igloo]

they do, but it's not QHD

they sell several different monitors on that one site

anyways, have fun gaming on a monitor with 5ms ADVERTISED response times

[dire igloo]

5ms actual response times would be amazing, but 5ms actual would be atrocious

[dire igloo]

yeah. that's a different monitor with a different aspect ratio and ultimately a different panel under the hood

[restive widget]

i never said the saame pannel

was saying they sell em both

anyway...this works for my older pc (needs composite

[dire igloo]

you said "dall still sells em and qhd" which insinuates that they're selling QHD 16:10

[restive widget]

they still sett 24 inch screens in that

[dire igloo]

well, your standards for "works for me" are so low that anything works if it just gives you a video display

[restive widget]

then it worksd

[dire igloo]

okay, and? I never talked about 24", I talked about QHD vs FHD and WUXGA

[restive widget]

you werre insunuating i meant one thing when i never said i did

[dire igloo]

except it doesn't because clearly there's more to your usage than a video output
else you wouldn't have switched your GPU

[restive widget]

ya know what idc what others say. it worjks for me and thats all i need

[dire igloo]

I'm just providing you with information

[restive widget]

oh fun fact 16ms response times

[dire igloo]

and calling you out on false statements

[restive widget]

all i sad was that they sold them. not same res or AR same inch size.

it works for me

welp time to make the fsctory cart in stormworks

[dire igloo]

you made a moot point then

because my point was that WUXGA hasn't seen any meaningful R&D for monitors

[night girder]

I am still not 100% used to my 1440p.

There is this one game that really struggles with it.

All the text is small and I can increase the UI with a slider, from 100% to 110% for example, but then everything becomes blurry.

It's not the monitor, it's just the game being shit because other games don't have the issue 🤣

[devout flower]

hello this might a bit extreme of a question. but does anyone know a way to install different graphics drivers like opengl on android phones?

[glossy glacier]

afaik, unless you root your phone, you don't

[main sluice]

How did u get it to show hotspot temp ? I've got everything else up but can't find a option for that

Nvm I found it 😁

[devout flower]

do i need to root the phone to set up the driver? becuase i can change it already through developer options. and some of the games can change it also if they need it (DRG survivor)

[restive widget]

yes

[glossy glacier]

maybe a misunderstanding? OpenGL is a graphics API not a driver
maybe you are able to change the driver, though i doubt it
the API is up to the software developer

[devout flower]

hmmm it seems to be. the warning does say "the graphics api has been adjusted to OpenGL". i thought they were the same thing. and i need to root the phone to manually change the api then. yes?

[glossy glacier]

no, the API used is up to the developer of the software/app

[jagged snow]

How bad is the quality/price tradeoff with a USB dac compared to a pcie sound card?
The isolation sucks for my onboard audio and it has a very noticeable buzz
I just don't want to have a USB dac sitting on my desk.

[thin trout]

pci-e has much the same issue, the problem is proximity to high current electronics (like graphics card vrm) which produces an EM field

[dire igloo]

CX31993 USB-C dongle

good DAC, cheap af, doesn't take up any extra space

[jagged snow]

Noted
I do want to find something with mic input

[dire igloo]

can do Fiio KA11/JA11 or Apple USB-C dongle alternatively (tho the European version of the apple dongle sucks)

[jagged snow]

The buzzing is bad enough that other people can hear it over vc and complain 😄

Noted, thanks

[dire igloo]

are you using a headset or separate mic?

[dire igloo]

if the headphones are harder to run, there's also CX31993+MAX97220 dual chip dongles

[jagged snow]

Nah, I have very basic headphones rn
I plan to upgrade eventually though

[dire igloo]

all the dongles I mentioned iirc are capable of handling a combo jack

[jagged snow]

Thanks, I appreciate it

[dire igloo]

if you have a separate mic anyway, there's a different issue at hand

I do wonder whether your PC might have some grounding issues

[jagged snow]

I'm not sure

It's a fresh build with a decent PSU, and I haven't had any issues with this wiring before

I swapped psu/gpu/mobo all at the same time, so I'm not sure which variable contributed to it

I do know this gpu can have fairly aggressive transients and it could be that the smoothing caps on my psu just aren't quite up to the task or it could be mobo filtering

Emi seems less plausible but is a factor

At a tbp of ~250-300w the peak momentary draw is usually around 500w

[gilded helm]

I'll also be on fresh hardware on January 7th if Lenovo is to be believed. Go on and imagine the desktops you could have built for $2500~. At least I got 15x Rakuten and 5% back on Paypal.

[languid gulch]

i'd just happy to see more 16:10 laptops out there instead of the pointless 13.1" 4K screens

[thin trout]

It is EMI after digital to analog conversion. You can literally hold a usb dac next to graphics card and it will whine lol

[languid gulch]

got a fun new toy

swivel light, magnetic base

and 400 lumen

[twin dew]

From 25C delta-T to 15C, and those phase change materials take several thermal cycles to fully seat.

And if that is at same load, then even better.

[bold tapir]

Tho as you sait sensor was maxed at 110 so delta was even bigger

[twin dew]

No, the firmware lowers power to stay at that 110C max, and the GPU would have force-shutdown at 115C

Thermal throttling: lowering power usage and performance to not go over thermal limit.

[bold tapir]

Oh so that's why i got 5-10 extra frames

[bold tapir]

Oh thats why mining will fry gpus bc they disable thermal throttling in firmware

To get more crypto

[dire igloo]

If you're running mining GPUs to the point of throttling, you're doing it wrong.
You want to optimize performance per Watt anyway

If you need 20% more energy to get 5% more crypto, you're reducing your profit margin

[tribal kraken]

Yes, its common to lower power limit to run them in more efficient zone

[dire igloo]

Yeah, that's hard to pin down.
Do you per chance have a PCPP parts list of your build?

[tribal kraken]

Tbh all of the GTX1060 GPUs I bought from miners and sold as gaming PCs worked flawlesly, some are in use still

[dire igloo]

One could even argue that used GPUs are often in better shape after mining compared to their gaming equivalent.
Gamers tend to overclock and increase power limit for the sake of more fps, sacrificing temperatures and noise levels in the process.
Miners on the other hand want to increase power efficiency, so they'll reduce power limits and undervolt to reduce power consumption.

This does however exclude custom mining VBIOS which could very well pose a lot of challenges (like disabling video output) when getting it to work for gaming

[twin dew]

And running at constant temp is much less problem for most part than gaming type loads.
Just that some mining GPUs went through completely idiotic cleaning methods before being sold.

[languid gulch]

k, wacky time

is there any software that ties a vr headset's movement to an in-game camera's

[twin dew]

VR mods for various games are a thing?

[languid gulch]

yea, been messing around with reshade a bit

trying to see if i can have a 3rd person view of my character and be in VR without puking

[night girder]

Anyone get randomly "new audio device detected" on discord? I get it sometimes after turning off my screen at night and turning it back on?

Oh, maybe it's discord just updating at night without any prompts to user? 🤔

[main sluice]

I get it a lot

[twin dew]

Displays audio functionality getting redetected.
Most monitors connected with DP go fully away in OS if you turn them off.

[night girder]

Nah, it doesn't happen every morning. Hence the word "randomly" and not "every morning when I turn on my monitor".

monitor only has DP cable, single monitor plugged into dGPU, nothing else.

[tribal kraken]

Happens for me too, just clicking "dont change". Wonder if disabling the sound devices would help

[night girder]

I though maybe it's when I connect my headset to USB to charge it. But that isn't the case either.

Driver updates don't seem to be culprit either since all the rest keeps working.

But it started to happen since around time of new GPU, so either new driver problem, caching problem or discord update problem.

[tribal kraken]

Do you use the monitor speakers?

[night girder]

My monitor has audio device yes. But if that's the case, I would get it every mornign no?

Unless it's just buggy?

I turn of my screen every night.

[tribal kraken]

For me it happens when I wake my PC from sleep, and this was before the new LG TV that I recently bought

[night girder]

But if you all have it happen too, I am inclined to think it's a Discord issue.
It would be different if windows detects new audio device, but it's only discord 🤣

All I can find in the logs is "Installation Successful: Windows successfully installed the following update: Security Intelligence Update for Microsoft Defender Antivirus - KB2267602 (Version 1.441.809.0) - Current Channel (Broad)"

But that would be wild a security update triggers this, or a reset on one of my USB ports.

[tribal kraken]

Not really big issue for me, just one click on the "dont change" before joining VoIP channels

[night girder]

Oh, not an issue.

But just weird that it triggers without me changing audio device. And I haven't found the logic in it.

IF what baldur says is true, it would happen every morning.

Next time it happens, I should take note of which audio device it detected (headset or monitor).

[tribal kraken]

Yeah. I might also try to disable the sound devices for each monitor, as I dont use them at all

[night girder]

Or my monitor is the culprit and not always sending same data when starting up.

So sometimes my systems mistake it as a new device 🤷‍♂️

But monitor is only 2-3 months old.

[night girder]

Mhm, yeah will do it too. I don't use it ever. Sounds crap and no added value to me.

The system time has changed to ‎2025‎-‎12‎-‎08T02:52:03.042595700Z from ‎2025‎-‎12‎-‎08T02:52:03.042297900Z.
Change Reason: An application or system component changed the time.

Sometimes, you don't want to know wtf your system is doing 🤣

[tribal kraken]

Syncing clock over internet?

[night girder]

I think so too. Still weird way.

Yeah, you righjt.

few events before it

The time service is now synchronizing the system time with the time source time.windows.com,0x9 (ntp.m|0x9|0.0.0.0:123->104.40.149.189:123) with reference id 3180669032. Current local stratum number is 4.

I am closing eventviewer. This shit is not good for me because I want to know it all 🤣

https://tenor.com/view/blind-blind-man-gif-10849123485560757915

[cyan crescent]

What gen threadripper is the newest? Need it for pcie lanes

Damn. They are expensive

[wanton orchid]

do you need that many

latest ryzen have fair number of lanes

[twin dew]

So Threadripper 7000/9000 with sTR5 socket for 80 lanes.
Or Threadripper Pro 7000/9000 with sTR5 socket for 128 lanes, and even higher price.

[twin dew]

Yes, the CPUs themselves have MSRPs from US$1500 to US$12000.
And the MBs aren't cheap.

And then you need RDIMMs, preferrably either 4 (non-Pro) or 8 (Pro) of those.

With DDR5, you cannot use UDIMMs, as UDIMMs use 5V and RDIMMs use 12V input.

[cyan crescent]

The motherboards only have 1 16x slot and the rest are like 4 or 1x in terms of how they are wired

Im going to be using some GPUs i have have lying around for some ai work among other things

[twin dew]

And it would be cheaper to get one good GPU for that thing that cludge together bunch of leftovers.

[cyan crescent]

In total for what gpus i have is 2 7900XTX and a 2080ti

[jagged snow]

No but I can put one together later or give you a list from memory
Gigabyte b650 eagle ax
7800x3d
2x24GB ddr5 6000Mt/s cl30
Gigabyte 9070xt gaming oc
(I believe) the PSU is 2024 corsair rm850

[dire igloo]

Ok thanks

B650 Eagle AX has kinda wonky networking hardware compared to other boards, idk about the sound stuffs

[bold tapir]

Bro has 1000$ gpus lying around 😭

[jagged snow]

Yeah I bought it eventually planning to upgrade with a 2.5gig nic when I get a new switch

[cyan crescent]

Trying to figure out how to use them. I dont like the slot spacing on most modern mobo

[jagged snow]

Haven't had any issues with the onboard so far though

[bold tapir]

Oh yes cheap ones have one x16 and bunch of worse ones

[cyan crescent]

Even the most expensive one sucks. Top pcie slot is m.2, next 4 are for 1 16x slot then you get 2 1x slots

My GPUs are like 2 or 3 slot and i have a networking card im adding in.

[jagged snow]

Nic is fine on gen 3+ 4x slot unless it's 10gig plus

[twin dew]

8x+8x is pretty easy to get, but 8x+8x+4x is basically impossible because of the MB makers competing on amount of M.2 slots...

[cyan crescent]

I only have 2 m.2 drives

[twin dew]

1x 10gig NIC is fine on PCIe 3.0 1x slot, very tiny bandwidth limit from the PCIe.

[cyan crescent]

I have a 2x10gig nic

[twin dew]

As long as it is PCIe 3.0 or newer link, and not 2.0.

[cyan crescent]

And i have 2 of those nics. One in my nas and the other is in my main pc

Even if i water cool the cards to reduce them to 2 slots, the slot spacing is what prevents me from using them.

[twin dew]

But are you using the second port in the desktop card?

[cyan crescent]

Only one has a water block and its a 7900xtx. Dont know where to find one for the 2080ti and i dont feel like going back to the maintenance of water cooling

[cyan crescent]

Direct link to the nas

[twin dew]

Point is that PCIe 3.0 1x will let 10Gbit/s network card do 8+Gbit/s in both directions at same time.
As long as the 10Gbit/s card isn't so old that it only supports PCIe 2.0.

[wanton orchid]

? 3.0 is 8gt/s link

it's going to be at most 7.5gb/s or something like that

[twin dew]

0.985 GB/s after encoding etc.

[autumn grove]

Anyone here running AMD gpu’s? Particularly 9000 series, have you had any problems?

[glossy glacier]

yes i do, and no i don't

i also probably sidestep man issues by not playing any of the currently popular games and not useing windows

[cyan crescent]

Is it possible to use 2 7900XTX at the same time in games?

[glossy glacier]

yes an no
sharing the load with crossfire is dead
you could run the game on one and framegen via lossless scaling on the other

[night girder]

I am going to stay quiet

https://tenor.com/view/out-disappear-bye-vanished-gif-4932063

[cyan crescent]

Dug this up

[visual tree]

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/MZXlRlHjCs

Not sure if this is even worse than Netflix taking over WB....

[thin trout]

It depends a bit on what the profitability is, generally yes, but not always.

In 2021 i was mining eth in downtime which was worth sometimes over 10x the power cost on my 3080, that is that being 1% faster for 5% more power cost would pay for itself twice over

With those kinds of numbers, i only slowed it down to avoid putting excessive wear on the card

[jagged snow]

Nope!
Compared to a 5070 my 9070xt has been quiet, stable, and reliable so far

And between those two cards, 5070 is slightly slower than 9070xt and 5070ti is distinctly faster. For my part I'd be willing to pay an extra 50-100usd for a 9070xt over a 5070 and if you see a 5070ti within 50usd of either of them buy that.

[night girder]

Doesn't matter. We will end paying for it

[soft bloom]

I will whine about LLMs seem to code even worse
Don't ask why I am trying to get it to code... I just kind of need them to, and it makes me frustrated cause I read that code and it's just.... argh

[mental oriole]

I'm not surprised, it just goes

https://tenor.com/view/random-bullshit-go-moon-knight-random-random-bullshit-gif-25725102

[night girder]

Jetbrains went full LLM for their IDE's.

it's about 100 euro a year to use their "pro AI"

UE 5.7 also added AI to their editor.

[placid nimbus]

i feel like this is the proper place for this...

i made a factory builder in 2 days. it's not very good and certainly not fun but it's the first one i've ever really finished.

i mean, it was pretty fun to make although i did not do very good lol.

[soft bloom]

At this point it's just deliberate subpar code

Maybe just a weird quirk of how it merges different sources

But latepy beenn getting real crappy for loops

[jagged snow]

Oh I know, it drives me nuts
I see it get stuff wrong in really subtle ways all the time and that just makes me assume that if I don't see an error it's probably because I don't know enough to spot it and not because it's not there

[soft bloom]

And it doesn't seem like it can be fixed by prompt. It just doesn't know how to be better

[jagged snow]

I can't imagine how a company like ms functions with so many devs just taking straight AI code and shoving it into prod

(Oh wait, they don't )

[night girder]

It just keep giving me the wrong answers.

[soft bloom]

So much talent goes to waste...

[night girder]

Sending me to chase my own tail.

[jagged snow]

Try prompting it about regex

[night girder]

I lost more time than I won by using it I think.

[jagged snow]

That happens so often

The best use I've found for it is to give me things to research

I.E. need a new programming technique to solve a problem, prompt AI, research the techniques it suggested as well as any I can find on my own

[night girder]

Yeah high level it's fine. But the details/implementations/actual code ... no.

[jagged snow]

I just needed some perl-style regex and I figued it'd be faster to prompt chatgpt about it than figure it out myself but no

[night girder]

And especially niche stuff, it really sucks at it

[jagged snow]

All I wanted to do was grep -Po '#define\s+\S+' > someFile

[night girder]

it's frustrating

[jagged snow]

Yeah, very much so

Especially when VScode re-enables all the AI features after every update no matter how many times I turn them off

I don't need copilot trying to guess what the rest of this line will be because it's wrong

[night girder]

I tried installing VSCodium today. Which went fine. But then I wanted UE editor to pick it up. And it was a no-go.
Put it into the path. Symlinked it. Added to editorconfig.ini of UE5. Nada.

[jagged snow]

Lol
I had a similar issue with expo build tools/gradle on linux

You're supposed to just be able to set $ANDROID_HOME for your skd path but it turns out that that just... doesn't work sometimes
You have to manually edit the generated config files and insert the path yourself

[night girder]

that's why someone suggested Jetbrains Rider which can integrate with UE editor.
Or the default vscode UE wants us to use.

[jagged snow]

Gotcha, yeah

I'm strongly considering switching editors to pulsar

[night girder]

I hate it when something that seems so simple, and is logical, doesn't work.

[jagged snow]

I used to absolutely love Atom, I only switched to VSCode when it went away

[night girder]

yeah, they killed it.

[jagged snow]

So I'm considering switching back to pulsar now that vscode keeps getting worse

[night girder]

you know vscodium?

it probably also has the AI crap since it just a build of the same IDE without microsoft sauce over it. No telemetry.

[visual tree]

Speaking of AI, I hope Larry Elisson falls from a cliff after saying AI-powered surveillance system will ensure citizens will be on their best behavior

It feels like billionaires started watching Black Mirror and they suddenly have crazy ideas

[night girder]

nah, they were always a bit crazy

as if there is a correlation between wealth and madness

[visual tree]

I personally think billionaires do that because they feel personal satisfaction when they can control population

It's like a high school bully who feels satisfaction after bullying a poor kid

[night girder]

I think they are disconnected from our reality and live in a different reality. If that makes sense.

[visual tree]

That too 👆

[night girder]

Like the famous "Let them eat cake."

[visual tree]

Guess I am more crazy than them because I keep imagining a friendly alien will land in my yard and take me to a cosmic trip so I can finally leave this hell 🤣

[night girder]

aliens go a LOOOOONG way around earth 🤣

[visual tree]

I believe they exist since universe is so big it's hard to imagine it

And if they know about us, they probably think we are still primitive species

[night girder]

I wouldn't bother if I were them.

[visual tree]

Same 🤣

[night girder]

If they crash, we 100% experimenting/dissecting them.

That's our hospitality 🤣

[visual tree]

"People of Earth, your attention, please. This is Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz of the Galactic Hyperspace Planning Council. As you will no doubt be aware, the plans for development of the outlying regions of the Galaxy require the building of a hyperspatial express route through your star system. And regrettably, your planet is one of those scheduled for demolition. The process will take slightly less than two of your Earth minutes. Thank you."

*Earth screams in terror

Can't be worse than Vogon poetry tbh

[thin trout]

textbook example: palantir, literally named after the dystopic LOTR-universe device. It's like naming your company Torment Nexus and wondering why everybody hates you.

[languid gulch]

i'm convinced that those people know exactly what they're doing with their naming schemes

[bronze jasper]

palantirs were used for kingdom wide communication before they were corrupted by sauron

[twin dew]

And Palantir is mass surveillance company.

[night girder]

well so it was in lotr also

[pure karma]

why is everything in unreal engine so LARGE

its 60GB bomb over here 60GB bomb over there

[twin dew]

Satisfactory with UE5.3 taking 12GB without the debug files?

25GB with them.

[mental oriole]

Bleeeh uboot rant again...

Trying to normalize u-boot watchdog init sequence, but no matter what I do it's always poking at the wrong time...

I want it to poke at 1.1s but it's always at 1.7...

[soft bloom]

Bot just surveillance as far as I can recall...
Looking at their website couple years ago made me uneasy

[soft bloom]

Probably high detail assets with not much effort put into looking for best compression option
Unless it was a straight up decision of optimize for boot time instead of volume

[pure karma]

yea it would seem the default enviroments are just really unoptimised full on games

which i guess is nice but also is so on theme with the unreal slop

[cyan crescent]

I think I initially posted in the memes channel without realizing. Oops.

Is it possible to use this disc reader to rip 4k movies?
Lg slime portable bluray/dvd writer
Model # BP50NB40

[languid gulch]

my new little flashlight in action. hanging in the upper right of the case by the magnet

the good news: yay i can see what i need to clean!

the bad news: oh god i can see what i need to clean....

[glossy glacier]

Generally, if it can read it can rip

[twin dew]

Basically depends on the exact drive.
Some PC blu-ray drives can read Ultra Blu-Rays, some cannot.
Some work out of the box, some need firmware downgrade or hacked firmware to read, some cannot do it at all.

[mental oriole]

There is a meme channel? Good thing I muted it years ago

[languid gulch]

leaving the game on all night to make mats and also be a space heater

[mental oriole]

The fan noise though...

[tribal kraken]

Cryptomining the best heater

[languid gulch]

ok it doesn't actually heat up that much 🤣

but 300W on the gpu works just fine

[visual tree]

Hope you aren't sleeping in the same room because the noise would drive me insane and even a tiny led light disrupts my sleep 😅

[languid gulch]

i can get it down to just the code lights on my system

and i use a sleep mask

plus it's shockingly quiet

noctua exhaust ftw

[visual tree]

I set my pc to shutdown all lights when the PC is off. Even a clock light on my TV receiver makes me sleep harder lol

[languid gulch]

i can't do "big lights" like tvs or monitors, but small lights are fine

[visual tree]

Basically, I need to make my room as dark as possible

[languid gulch]

i wanna meet the psychos who have rainbow unicorn vomit running 24/7 and can sleep with that no problem

[void pine]

why do people think apple "cheaped out" by not including touchscreen on their macbooks

[languid gulch]

because that's a cheap-out move, especially at their prices

[void pine]

i have used a touchscreen laptop and it's just annoying

[languid gulch]

that doesn't matter as far as i'm concerned. if they're going to charge 40% markup for their name, they can damn well include it in the builder as a free option

[void pine]

oh true

[languid gulch]

i fling monkey shit at snooty companies

i have a relative that works high-end retail, and the entire point of anything "high-end" is to be intentionally overpriced and breaks easily with garbage warranties, so that you have to show off how much money you don't care about losing

[pure karma]

they charge 1099$ for a base model watch i think 40% is generous

[sand saddle]

When my monitor is sleeping there's this slow blinking light around the menu joystick so it's not as easily tapeable. Basically every night I move my chair to be between me and my monitor.

[twin dew]

And it is again the monthly Reboot Day... 😩

[night girder]

best rgb

And it feels like almost a decade and these cookies shit pops ups are still misleading.

Click "Accept All" to continue should be Click Accept All or Reject All, to continue.

And good old "green button" good, trust us

[twin dew]

"We value your privacy, but we value tracking you even more"

[night girder]

Man I keep telling yall this server is riddled with bots.

[visual tree]

I have strong green light from surge protector under the desk and sometimes it bothers me. Going to need multiple tapes for that...

[sand saddle]

There's a small slip of window my curtain isn't covering so at a certain angle the street lighting can shine to my eye but that angle is so specific that it usually doesn't bother me or I move my water bottle to block it.

[night girder]

"Basically every night I move my chair to be between me and my monitor." - funny, I do the same with my chair, my PC case and my bed 🤣

[sand saddle]

lol

[dire igloo]

"I have to arrange my furniture a specific way or I can't sleep cuz electromagnetism"

[pure karma]

getting spam again?

must be a target cause yea iv nerver had any issues

[twin dew]

Weirdest all channel spam with just four |:s, two first in spoiler tag...

[night girder]

No, I fixed that by disabling.

I am in about 30 communities and this is the only server I had to disable friend requests on, no clue why. Just facts.

[night girder]

Well, my PC is 1-2 meters away from my bed. It's either the chair, or I put a blanket on my PC.
But I think the blanket might lead to other problems

I could ofcourse turn of the PC, but that's not how stability testing works for this machine 🤣

My monitor itself had an option to turn of led on shut down. The little things.

[cyan crescent]

If the 5090 didn’t absolutely melt a wack ton of connectors, itd be tempting to get

[tribal kraken]

That is what the internetboiis will tell you, while in reality you plug it in and enjoy the fastest GPU ever after. And if it melts, get new one

[cyan crescent]

Im not going through the hassle of having to deal with warranty bullshit

Plus, if i spend $2000+ on a single pc component, that shit better not have any issues. Idgaf what the manufacturer says.

[night girder]

That's why you got these.

So one can see if PCIE isn't fully plugged in before melting the GPU.

[visual tree]

Selling black market RAM sticks. Only 10.000,00 € for 2x16 GB

And hurry up before OpenAI orders new RAM next week or I will increase the price to 50.000,00 €!

[tribal kraken]

Sounds expensive, I could sell 96GB 6400MT/s CL32 Corsair kit for 1.000€