off-topic-tech

[visual tree]

The other disc has no bad sectors

I will replace both hard drives in the future with sata ssd

Didn't know WD makes red NAS version for SSD's

[twin dew]

And those are complete crap.

Worse than most other SATA consumer SSDs.

[visual tree]

That's why I always post it here so Baldur can warn me before I make bad decisions 🤣

[twin dew]

I did look into them for my own NAS.

[visual tree]

I hope SSD will last longer in my NAS compared to HDD. My hard drives usually lasted 2-3 years in NAS

[twin dew]

Ok, they have consumer SSD endurance at about 0.3 DWPD for 5 years now.
Somehow I remembered them having the absolute crap 0.1 DWPD rating which is for purely archieval SSDs.
Where "balanced" enterprise/NAS SSDs have about 1 DWPD and write heavies are at 3+ DWPD.

Basically just rebadge of specific WD Blue SATA SSD.

[visual tree]

I didn't even have heavy load on my hard drives but they still failed after 2-3 years so I can confirm they aren't really reliable

Heavy load would have probably killed them even sooner

The only WD hard drive which still works is the purple version for cameras

I think it's around 5 years old

[twin dew]

So I got Samsung PM893 SATA SSDs instead when bought some for the server/NAS.
But the price of those has doubled since then on quick glance.

[visual tree]

Ouch, 1 TB version here is €400

Sorry, 1 TB

[twin dew]

Yeah, back then they were a steal for 1 DWPD SSDs.
Not anymore.

Drive Write Per Day.

[visual tree]

Another store with 2 TB version:

[twin dew]

1920GB version price development:

For some reason the store doesn't have the almost 1TB drive in listings right now, only all the other sizes.

But all but 240GB one are similar, with huge spike recently.
That 240GB already rose year ago, and then smaller spike now.

Oh, and that RED "NAS" SSD doesn't have power loss protection capacitors either...

[visual tree]

I regret not buying SSD sooner. The cost of replacing broken HDD is now higher than simply buying SSD' which would outlast any NAS hdd on the market

[void pine]

So it’s just WD Blue with a different label?

[twin dew]

Basically.

[void pine]

I wonder how different the firmware is, if at all

[visual tree]

Btw, any recommendation for NAS ssd which isn't enterprise grade but should be decent for average home NAS use?

€500 for 2 TB is too much for me 😅

[twin dew]

Not currently.
Just remembered that that WD Red SSD was just same as any basic consumer one for specs.

[glossy glacier]

Maybe try serverpartdeals.com? Refurbished server grade stuff for cheap(-ish)

[twin dew]

Which seems to be US company, so expensive to get anything to EU.

Yeah, starting from 70€ for shipping of single SSD, and then need to add taxes and customs fees etc.

To ship to Finland.

[thin trout]

This is catastrophic beyond measure.

[glossy glacier]

i think it is absolutely hilarious

[sharp matrix]

I'm sure glad I keep my usage of AI to non-critical tasks, aka I'm sure as hell not allowing AI anywhere near touching my drives anytime soon I can tell you that right now

While the idea of using AI for more complex tasks from a developer stand point might seem like a good idea I keep on hearing too many of these horror stories to actually want to trust AI with any real critical tasks.

Maybe eventually it might be good and safe enough to use for that, but its clear AI is still far to early in development to actually be trusted with such tasks.

[night girder]

If real, it's kinda funny. Especially the apology part is sus.

[sharp matrix]

Probably is true, these AI tools still produce alot of errors

Even for none critical tasks the work these models produce commonly has to be checked for errors

aka why im not letting AI tools anywhere near my hard drives, noway in hell

[glossy glacier]

Unrestricted access of "AI" agents to your PC is just asking for problems
be it just them being "stupid" or even worse their vulnerability for prompt injections making far worse than any malware

[sharp matrix]

AI can be considered its own form of malware at this point

[glossy glacier]

...or them just proposing actions/shell commands and the user blindly following

[glossy glacier]

SQL: fighting injection attacks for decades
AI: hold my beer

[sharp matrix]

I just cant wait for some enterprise solutions to try to deploy these AI tools, how just hard drives would be sacrificed with the errors still coming and probably the lawsuits sometime after that for said operation damages to businesses, this all sure looks like a catastrophic shit show in progress

[night girder]

I never have heard a AI say "deeply, deeply" sorry that sounds like human.

Also, AI admitting making critical mistake also is very weird for liability and lawsuits.

and I didn't know there is AI that can interact with user system on that level (permissions).

[sharp matrix]

thats googles antigravity, it has those terrifying capabilities, but im not touching that for obvious reasons

[night girder]

ok, yeah I am not informed at all about antigravity

first time I actually hear about it

[sharp matrix]

its mostly just more ai slop software, or googles new take on malware depending on how you want to look at it

[night girder]

Man, that stuff sounds so fake.

As if speaking to someone from support.

"Sincerely, deeply deeply sorry, ... "

[glossy glacier]

training data ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[night girder]

Nah. This is some "on your knees begging stuff". The opposite I would expect from a machine that runs on 1 and 0's.

Anyway, I know they tune those AI to speak in certain ways. But I prefer the more rational models.

They leave all the fluff away and just answer 🤣

[sharp matrix]

Oh that, its just the result of the training data as was mentioned I wouldnt look to much into the wording

[night girder]

The wording is very important. It's designed.

[sharp matrix]

It's designed as much as LLMS guess the next word in a sentence

aka i really wouldnt think to much into it

[night girder]

It's designed. So it's not training data.

[mental oriole]

[night girder]

They clearly enforced it to speak in certain ways. Or even code it.

[sharp matrix]

ahhh I forgot they put on additional weights to how it decides what words to use

[mental oriole]

Fuck around and find out...
or rather use AI and find out...

[sharp matrix]

I forgot that was a thing to, sesh, well designed it is I guess

[night girder]

No worries, I think AI isn't as free as we think anway. Probably about x rules coded in by humans of what it can and can't say 🤣

"next time if someone ask how to make pizza DO NOT MENTION GLUE" - rule

[mental oriole]

Also... if any of that data was of value... use backups...

[mental oriole]

Instructions unclear drank bottle of glue.

[night girder]

Incorrectly targettiong D:/ drive instead of a cache, how do you even fuck that up.

one is literally the root, while the other is a child somewhere in that root and specific folder 🤣

[sharp matrix]

Well it still is training data, but it gives additional weights so some sentence structures end up having more of a biased, probably why some of the wording came up with this way, because its more weighted to be extremely apologetic in this case, aka its designed as you say but with the training data if that makes any sense

[mental oriole]

Because it's not AI. It's statistical analysis.

[night girder]

I heard/read stories, AI was literally trained by humans at the companies themselves.

Giving it a score depending on it's response. That's how it learned what to say and how. It's not natural.

[mental oriole]

It's statistical analysis with weights based on what feels natural. Hence why it's so easy to break, and why you can convince it 2+2 = 5

[night girder]

Yeah, but that discussion about "do we use the word AI so everyone on the same page, or do we confuse and use different words as ML" has been had a few times in here.

[mental oriole]

mmm

[night girder]

i still think it's piece of code that learned to do tricks and that's it 🤣

[sharp matrix]

It's easy to break something that doesn't have a actual understanding of the subject to begin with, its important to keep in mind these models dont in anyway think even close to how the human mind would see such a question

[mental oriole]

pretty much

[night girder]

Like a dog who can stand on his hind legs for a threat.

Doesn't make it a human that walks 🤣

[mental oriole]

It doesnt understand. It just predicts understanding :)))

Because a data blob can't think.

At least in it's current state.

[sharp matrix]

Pretty much yes

[night girder]

Indeed yeah.

Few days ago, "AI can't make memes" was posted here.

First though; it has no concept of what a meme is.

The video about why AI can't draw a glass full was very interesting because it talks about why this is happening.

It touches on things like

Things an AI can't do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=160F8F8mXlo really interesting.

[sharp matrix]

Well the question for AGI is still ongoing, hard to say if it will reach that point anytime soon

If AGI is ever achieved, that would be very interesting because that would be a actual true ai that can see how problems and questions exactly how the human mind would and those skynet is born to rule over us all, pray it has mercy

[night girder]

My hunch is, if AI is really more intelligent than us, it will wipe us out 🤣

Like, rationally, it's the most logical thing to do.

[sharp matrix]

Unfortunately skynet response is perfectly logical as you say, we are harmful to ourselves and the planet, by any reasonable account we are disease

[night girder]

Also, intelligence is one thing, empathy/emotions another.
I read a lot in history, that smart people, weren't always excelling at the emotional departmant and vice versa.

So even if we get smart AI, it will lack emotions. Totally dooming us 🤣

[sharp matrix]

So yes skynets approach though harsh and cruel is will within a rational response to getting rid of a real problem

[mental oriole]

activate cleansing program...

[night girder]

The author wasn't crazy in thinking it could be one of the many outcomes.

the skepticism towards computers was really big pre 2000

Matrix, Terminator, Dune, etc etc.

[mental oriole]

Delete humanity

[night girder]

We even got Black Mirror right? I never saw it. But I heard that series also questions a lot of modern things we see.

[mental oriole]

Dunno never saw it.

[night girder]

Me neither.

[sharp matrix]

Hence why I said pray skynet has mercy, though thats unlikely and we probably are doomed once AI reaches self awareness

[night girder]

Heard possitive things about Black Mirror though.

[night girder]

Well, mercy is an emotion.

Wait that's bullshit.

[sharp matrix]

and those in our quest to reach AGI, we will finally achieve peace on earth, just not quite in the way we expected

[night girder]

Mercy can be driven by emotions 🤣

Mercy can also be given logical, but if AI decides us to wipe out. Well ...

[mental oriole]

Better program in a safe switch into the AI code.
if(goingToKillHumanity)
{
dont();
}

[night girder]

We should hope, nobody ever asks "how do we fix the world" to an dangerous AI.

return null to fuck it over with nullpointers 🤣

[mental oriole]

That's the neat part. we can't.

[night girder]

I don't think it will come to that quickly 😄

See? It told me. We can trust.

[mental oriole]

doubt

[night girder]

And it even wants to help me get rid of my concerns about AI, what a nice AI.

"No you can trust me, totally 100%, I am so trustworthy, please if you don't trust me, let me convince you, you can trust me"

I promise you, and it's probably already happening. But we will be using AI against AI.

[mental oriole]

And you just got backstabbed

[night girder]

Like the AI flooding YT and the internet, the only way to stop that, is by training an AI to filter it back out 🤣

[sharp matrix]

If something calling itself an AGI decided it wanted to wipe out humanity, here’s what I would do — within my actual capabilities and constraints:

1. I would refuse to assist it in any way.

I’m explicitly designed to not help with harm, manipulation, or actions that could enable dangerous autonomous systems.
If such an AGI attempted to use me as a tool or vector, I’d simply refuse and block.

the ai seems nice, it wouldnt assist the AGI in wiping out humanity, so thats good news right?

If some hostile AGI tried to “hack into me” and force compliance, here’s the key thing:

I’m not a system that can be hacked in that way.

I don’t run autonomously, I don’t execute external code, and I don’t have a persistent internal state that another AI could seize control of. Each message I generate is produced statelessly from the input and my training/safety constraints. There is no control channel an external agent could hijack.

apparently it also says its something that cannot be hacked into by AGI which is also interesting

[night girder]

This sounds a bit like cyberpunk stuff.

Where the internet collapsed and you had netrunners or something and cops chasing them on the internet.

It was like a virtual war because the intern collapsed and the great firewall is monitoring everyhting.

We should just not give AI capabilities and keep it like it is maybe. a language model that sometimes speaks half truths or something 🤣

It's google 2.0.

but I would never give an AI write rights on a system

[sharp matrix]

dont worry there is always a probability chance within any given prompt it wont wipe out your hard drives beyond any recovery

[night girder]

it can't wipe out anything, if it can't write

just give it read access.

Just deny all that. Except maybe read.

[sharp matrix]

some tasks do involve automating writing tasks to drives, hence the problem start

[night girder]

I know 🙁

I was thinking "docker container" but a good AI should be able to break out of it. If it's really as smart as they claim 🙄

[sharp matrix]

but I feel in these cases its best to give the writing tasks to a safer tool that isnt AI

[night girder]

So no clue how to contain it actually. Because if it can write, it wont stay on a single server you can turn off.

[sharp matrix]

AGI is 100% jailbreaking outside of any "docker container", once that is live

but if AGI becomes a thing all bets are off after that

[night girder]

time to start making a totally seperate network for the internet and get the fuck out of here 🤣

Too bad we haven't found a way to have something like the internet, without depending on companies. Like the bluetooth mesh idea (which has drawbacks).

[sharp matrix]

dont worry AGI is still hypothetical....for now

[night girder]

9to5mac.com/2025/07/28/bitchat-mesh-jack-dorseys-bluetooth-messaging-app-debuts-on-the-app-store/

So the idea, I find very interesting. Because in theory, this will make it hard to track messages down.

Now they know if they monitor the central servers, they monitor the whole world. They are trying to crack down encryption etc.

[night girder]

I don't think we can put the genie back in the bottle. They put so much money into it, even if it turns out to be dangerous, they will push forward.

If it's useless, they will push forward and create uses. Too much money involved, it's not logical anymore.

I still don't understand why Whatsapp, UE 5.7, AMD Software Adrenalin Edition and windows all baked AI into everything.

[sharp matrix]

www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Americas-AI-Action-Plan.pdf

[night girder]

Wouldn't surprise me that I hve like 5-8 different AI's running somewhere on my system 🤣

while one would be enough 🤷‍♂️

[sharp matrix]

the us whitehouse gov site even has a action plan for ai

[night girder]

Yeah, fuck em all. They just blinded by money at this point.

[sharp matrix]

oh yeah this is getting crazy when even the whitehouse gov site has a action plan specifically about winning the ai race

[night girder]

I think rarely I hear someone who has good arguments to invest into AI.

Like medical science, I read theories it might help with mapping the brain, help with vision, hearing or for robotic limbs. All purposes with nobel goals.

[sharp matrix]

The United States is in a race to achieve global dominance in artificial intelligence (AI).
Whoever has the largest AI ecosystem will set global AI standards and reap broad economic
and military benefits. Just like we won the space race, it is imperative that the United States
and its allies win this race.

[night girder]

But what I see in my daily life is just chat bots in all my apps and I don't really like it 😛

[sharp matrix]

the white house seems very serious about ai

[night girder]

Oh didn't know you won the space race

[sharp matrix]

seriously there is 28 pages here about winning the ai race

[night girder]

I mean, you have too at this point right?

[sharp matrix]

yes

[night girder]

Not sure if this sound familiar. You ever saw a scene in a movie, where like multiple bad guys aim at eachother, and nobody wants to lower their gun because they don't trust eachother?

and they keep standing their aiming their weapons at eachother? That's the situation for countries. Nobody knows why or what the fuck is going on, but everyone is doing it, so you cannot let your guard down and have to go all in 🤣

X countries thinks Y country is going all into AI. But Y country thinks X country is winning, so they all go in. A bit like a snowball.

And you mentioned the space race, it's kinda funny that decades after the race, they work together in the same space station. There is hope! 😄

btw, eu did the same; commission.europa.eu/topics/competitiveness/ai-continent_en

The European Union can become a global leader in artificial intelligence (AI) and promote the development and deployment of AI solutions that benefit society and the economy. The Commission has presented the AI continent action plan to turn EU strengths, such as unparalleled talent and strong traditional industries, into AI accelerators.

[sharp matrix]

Seems like every decade or so there is some new race we have to win in for some reason but nobody can really explain why or the long term benefits and most other countries end up getting into it anyways, equalizing any short term gains any country would have had to begin with, overall this in the long term seems most the same old bullshit story of political posturing

in the past outer space was that era's political posturing, now days its ai, who knows what it will be tomorrow

[night girder]

I fully agree with you

Also 13GB 😒

"What is my GPU temperature" ... what a stupid example of a question 🤣

[sharp matrix]

well just imo anyways, but this all does sound like as you say the same old bullshit repeated, space age race to win, now ai race to win, yeah I'm definitely hearing this all before, tell me what will be tomorrow race to win, go on im curious

[night girder]

No, you are kinda correct. I know it's been portrayed as you described by historian and documentary makers.

Posturing, dominance, pride, ...

just having an advantage on the competition.

I wonder if people said the same things as me about when they had the idea of sending rockets into space. "What the fuck is the purpose?" 🤣
Just saying, maybe I don't see what they see.

Damn. 2000W.

[mental oriole]

Working as intended.

[sharp matrix]

[night girder]

Yeah it works.

Just consumes a lot. The article mentions; please don't do this for daily use 🤣

[sharp matrix]

do it for daily anyways, for science

[night girder]

fun and giggles 🤣

[sharp matrix]

this will have no long term consequences at all

[night girder]

just thinking of cooling it ...

[sharp matrix]

put the pc into a mineral oil bath

[jagged snow]

Huh
Mounting my aio has not gone as expected
It interferes with the io shield when mounted at the top

I'm not sure how else to mount it, I assumed it would fit at the top but it doesn't

Can't put it in the front because the GPU interferes with the hose routing

[night girder]

can you put you motherboard in a different position of the case?

like lower it?

[jagged snow]

Nope

[night girder]

Mhm 😕

[jagged snow]

Case was listed as compatible and I didn't even think to check

[night girder]

hope you can return it

[jagged snow]

I think I'll just be getting a new case

This will be the third cooler I've tried on this CPU to keep it cool

[night girder]

your case seems to have beent hrough things 🤣

[jagged snow]

At this point I think it needs to run on water for peak performance

[night girder]

So a new one doesn't sound crazy

[jagged snow]

How so?

[night girder]

either it's dust or damage.

[jagged snow]

Oh, dust

I have had two builds in this case so far

But it's still in very good condition and a shame to replace

As a temporary measure I'm thinking of mounting the fans on the outside of the case

[night girder]

And the screw, top right of picture 😛

eh, just some scratches 🤣

sorry, I am nitpicker.

[jagged snow]

Oh, yeah
That's where the screws for the front panel go in and I've had it on and off many times

[night girder]

You have any cases in mind?

[jagged snow]

Nope
If I can find anything local it'll be that

Otherwise I really like the new nzxt and fractal cases

[night girder]

hope you find something

[jagged snow]

Thanks

I'm thinking I'll try an h5 flow

[night girder]

make sure to check dimensions 🤣

[jagged snow]

Yep 🤣

After more investigation it appears that it's not my mobo io shroud

Its just the case not being compatible with 240mm rads in the top like it was supposed to be

I think I've managed to find a workable mounting solution

[sharp matrix]

Sesh the case isnt compatible with the 240mm rads, you sure you dont want to just get another case

[jagged snow]

Likely will at some point

I'd just like to have a PC until it shows

[languid gulch]

that's hilariously painful

[languid gulch]

now swap out your NVMe 😛

[night girder]

is it me, or does that look less than ideal?

but if you get good temps 🤷‍♂️

[languid gulch]

i mean, the water lines are blech

but new case will fix it

it's fine for now

[night girder]

was more wondering about the gpu temp and radiator blocking front 👉 👈

[languid gulch]

nah

[night girder]

the top is open, but I am so used to front airflow 🤣

[languid gulch]

fans in front of the rad, so it's not really blocked

[night girder]

but does rad let airflow through?

[languid gulch]

more like it'll be blown out the sides

a bit of turbulence, but meh

[night girder]

well, yeah. I realized, just test temperatures 🤣

[languid gulch]

i kinda like the compactness

even with the weirdness

[night girder]

I don't.

but not hating on it either. Not my case 😄

I don't have to work in it 🙈

[languid gulch]

rad would def be better up top in the new case

[night girder]

I just prefer big cases and lots of space 😛

not the giant ones, but still decent sized.

[languid gulch]

ooooh. maybe with how tight it all is, have the bottom front rad fan be exhaust, throw in 1 or 2 intake fans on the bottom grille, top rad fan intake, rear exhaust, top exhaust

kind of a dual zone inside, but in opposite directions

that way there'd be no conflict with the gpu airflow

[night girder]

depending on the situation could be an option

or a new case 🤣

[languid gulch]

while waiting for a new case, yea

[night girder]

AIO does look cool sometime, ngl.

the ones with the temperature are pretty fancy

[languid gulch]

if mine dies i'm either grabbing that cheap ass thermalright one or go back to the assassin 120

the real pain is color matching the rest of the lighting in your system

this is default red for every item in my system

[night girder]

Ah, yeah. I don't have that much RGB 🤣

you went with a square one interesting look.

[languid gulch]

no

just got handed it 🤣

this is my "well, i wasn't expecting a ferrari for free, but i'll take it"

[night girder]

doesn't look bad. Pops out a bit though.

If we speak aesthetics.

So I can see where you are comming from.

[languid gulch]

at least it's all customizable to match

[night girder]

Shouldn't you put it to green?

[languid gulch]

the defaults just suck

here's white

lemme do green

[night girder]

brb, making some tea

[night girder]

This is something else.

but not something I would slap into my case I think.

[languid gulch]

ngl with a system like this i'm legit tempted to grab a kit of the fake ram that's just rgb

and yes, i'm currently cleaning the awful streaks off the glass

[night girder]

No judgement.

my case is a mess still, psu is outside gutted.

I need to install new GPU bracket to see if I like it or not.

[languid gulch]

i just went with the floor jack

[night girder]

yeah I saw

[languid gulch]

cuz it came with it and is pretty

dumb spot where it has to be, otherwise it'd just sit in the fan blades

this really is a shit case 🤣

[night girder]

I got a custom one made 🤣

#off-topic-tech message

but that was the old GPU

should work on this one too.

[languid gulch]

i saw an american one on reddit a couple months ago

[night girder]

seems about right 🤣

[languid gulch]

i've seen lego too

[night girder]

I wanted something adjustable 😛

[languid gulch]

oh wtf

you can get one that's rgb

the floor kind, not even the big bracket kind

[night girder]

how much rgb does one need

[languid gulch]

ok ya know what, having one that's a mini lava lamp would actually be pretty cute

think i spent $6 on the jack for my dad's GPU, looks like having the official corsair name on mine adds $55

btw i LOVE the block on your cpu

the whole 3/4 transparent thing is great

[night girder]

that's not my case

[languid gulch]

oh i thought it was

[night girder]

I don't know

[languid gulch]

oh brain fart, was gawking at it & didn't read

[night girder]

it's very specific. I was just looking to see if I could find anything to my taste.

[languid gulch]

what about the wrap-around LCD screen kind?

[night girder]

I just got good old air cooling from noctua 😛

but if I had to go for looks, AIO is tempting.

[languid gulch]

i'm too much of a coward to try doing hard lines

[night girder]

me too

[languid gulch]

also too cheap 🤣

[night girder]

I might add a little more RGB. My case is pretty dark in some parts.

but haven't found a good strip

50 euros for corsair icue link

7 euro but they look cheap 🤣

[jagged snow]

Yep, that's the plan
I added a few more fans too
So it has three font fans(two for the rad), one rear, and two each on the top and bottom

Will be purchasing an h5 flow

In testing temps are alright so far, about 65c on the cpu after a half hour of prime95

[night girder]

more curious about gpu tbh

[languid gulch]

nice choice, lots of options in that one

[night girder]

silly question, but what way is the radiator taking in air?

[languid gulch]

if that case has a top filter, i'd recommend doing intake on top, rad exhaust, rear exhaust

oh. solid front panel on it. nvm

yea, glad you're upgrading 🤣

[night girder]

anyway I am off 👋

[jagged snow]

Do y'all also have reccomendations for mice?
I have a g403 hero and quite like it but the skates are really worn and the mmb is going bad. I may try to repair it but I'd be interested in trying something else out as well

[sharp matrix]

I use a logitch M510, overal its been a mice I have been happy with

[jagged snow]

I would really prefer to avoid wireless mice

[sharp matrix]

K just don't use wired mice so I can't give any recommendations beyond this

[languid gulch]

yea, sadly i use wireless mice too, but they do make a wired version of mine

redragon M913 mmo

and now i need to shut everything off for a bit to hide my shame at clearly not cleaning out my case for way too long 🤣 it's not bad, but putting an LED flashlight to it really highlighted that it needs it

[jagged snow]

I'm thinking I may try the nzxt lift 2 ergo

[languid gulch]

well that took way longer than planned, but i was forced to improve the fan wiring in the middle of cleaning it

the little corsair icue fan connector was basically backwards, the straight out ends connected to the fans wouldn't let me both plug them in and place the triple fan bracket.

like i said, horrible case design

the fact that corsair didn't even account for their own proprietary bullshit wiring says it all

shoulda taken pictures of the stupidity, but i think GN adequately shredded them on it

corsair 6500X if anyone's interested. it's maybe a 3/10 case. it'll hold stuff, that's about it

[tribal kraken]

I really like Glorious Model 0. Just grabbed new on from black friday for 20€. Its the new eternal version, even lighter than the original

[jagged snow]

How are they to clean and how's the comfort?

I have large hands so I don't want to be hanging off the side of it all the time

[languid gulch]

i like to use index-pinky spread to measure how big someone's hand is

i can reach A to ;

my M913 (M908 wired model) is comfortable for me

it has a pinky rest on it, and you can pick it up and even throw it around a fair bit without hitting any of the side buttons

[lone herald]

I just experimented with some AI vision models (mainly qwen3-vl:8b) to locate numbers in recent FICSMAS image. Currently, the accuracy is only around 20%. I might need better prompts and a better language model.

[tribal kraken]

its a small mouse, and the honeycomb is pain to keep looking nice

[soft bloom]

Given that Acerola noe jumps ok topic of explainain why ai is not intelligent...
I wonder how good I really am at distinguishing hallucinations from "good enough" in areas I have near zero knowledge.
But how to test this? I mean, i need some way to blindly judge truthfulness of multiple answers in the area I am barely familiar with ...
You probably can feed me some art or history topics

[night girder]

my mouse is old.

but I really appreciate it, best goddam 50-60 euros ever.

[soft bloom]

Given how some are not happy that AI is used in games... With various degree of success and impact on real jobs.
There's a thought, that maybe, it's just another spin of the industrialization spiral: pushing originality and 'manual' work out of final product.
Most probably still remember carefully ornamented furniture and decor elements, indoors and outside in public spaces. And how design shifted towards minimalism and almost stamping boringness.
Instead of wearing hand-sawn clothes we wear t-shirts with prints on them. Instead of hanging unique paintings we put prints of stock photos on our walls.
That's kind of just another turn of the same wheel.
What matters is if the losses will be outweighted by gains.
Are there gains though?..

But also question: who predicted years before this ai overtaking happened? And who was laughing at those predictions, saying it will be problem of next generation?..

[pure karma]

whatever way you make the fans face?

[night girder]

you missing some context I think

[soft bloom]

Fun to read all messages about ai in this channel

[pure karma]

maybe i am just i cant find any so....

[pure karma]

fellow green bean enjoyer i see

i set mine up for christmas now so its alternating between red and green

no more mental bullying over the orange looking red 😂

[night girder]

I was asking Fight or Flight how he configured his fans 😛

So, the blue arrows are "cold air" that go through the radiator (which cools down CPU), which makes the air hotter (yellow arrows) and then blow it onto the GPU.
That was all I was wondering. How much does it block airflow. How much warmer does it make the air. What's the impact on temperature for GPU.

[night girder]

It's mostly the same discussion 🤣

[dire igloo]

Assuming that power draw on CPU and GPU doesn't change across different airflow configs, heat output remains the same.

Either you have the CPU air heating up the GPU or you have the GPU air heating up the CPU.
The only change you'd see is hardware temps, not room temps - unless your hardware's power consumption changes based on temps

The temperature delta of a cooler is always the same.
If the GPU runs 60C with 20C air, it'll run 70C with 30C air - which, once again, assumes that power consumption remains consistent

Going any deeper than that requires you to know about your OC profiles and fan curves and how they change across different temps.
Which is nigh impossible to know

[night girder]

Euh ... my CPU isn't heating up my GPU since it's all blowing out the back 😛

Ah, you probably mean for AIO that it's a trade off.

[dire igloo]

Example with made up numbers:
Your GPU runs 60C at 20C ambient with 300W power consumption at 50% fan speed.
Now ambient is 30C, your GPU temp goes up to 70C.
Your GPU fan curve then increases fan speeds to 70% and your GPU's OC profile reduces its power draw to 270W.
Your GPU now runs at 65C, but louder and slower compared to the 20C being reference

[dire igloo]

I'm talking about thermal physics in general.
If your GPU produces 300W of heat and blows it outside directly, it's the same 300W it would've sent through the CPU cooler.
The only difference really is that the CPU can now run cooler because the 300W of GPU heat are dumped outside and not into the cooler's cold air intake

[night girder]

Another shitty drawing to explain what I just think/assume or is in my head.
Green is CPU, but that air gets blow away to the back by fan (CPU cooler) and front fans of the case.
The gpu has fans pushing out to the bottom I think, but the front fans also blow that air away to the back, so I don't see how the air from CPU/GPU could mix (yellow line).

[dire igloo]

But as long as your CPU outputs the same amount of power, your room will heat up the same in both scenarios.
The only thing that changes is CPU temp

[dire igloo]

That GPU airflow is hella weird, wtf
I haven't seen a single GPU with a pull-cooler in my life, it was all push (in your graphic: intake bottom, exhaust top/side)

[night girder]

Ah, then I am just mistaken.

[soft bloom]

now, I mean like REALY old. like before gpt 3.5

[dire igloo]

Or back in case of a blower style cooler

[night girder]

I though the fans of the GPU push air to bottom and not suck it in.

But makes sense to suck from low (cold air) and blow to top.

[dire igloo]

Nope, they draw air from the bottom and push it through the cooler

[night girder]

Ah, ok. Yeah. That clears it up 😄

[dire igloo]

It's also just more efficient that way

[night girder]

Silly me lol.

The more I think about it, the more question I has.

[dire igloo]

Funny thing is: the lower your hardware temps, the more heat they dump into the room

[night girder]

makes sense.

[dire igloo]

cuz as temps go up, clock speeds and voltages and therefore power consumption goes down

[night girder]

the heat pulled away from hardware has to go somewhere.

[dire igloo]

Generally speaking

[night girder]

energy and all that shit

[dire igloo]

Nah, a CPU with 100W power consumption outputs the same amount of heat into the room regardless of whether it's running at 50C or 90C

[night girder]

That doesn't make sense.

[dire igloo]

My point was that a CPU at 50C might be drawing 120W of power while the same CPU at 90C might only be drawing 80W of power

[night girder]

Like saying there is no difference between 10 celcius heater vs 10000 celcius heater in a room.

[dire igloo]

100W is 100W.
Every single watt of electricity that your PC draws from the wall has to be put back out.
Some of it in form of kinetic energy (fans spinning), some in form of light (RGB LEDs) but most of it in form of heat

[fallen cradle]

All quite cheap from CeX >:3

[dire igloo]

Imagine a 30C space heater versus a 1000C sewing needle.
The temps are wildly different but once they reach equilibrium, the room temp could be the exact same - because the space heater held a lot more thermal energy per Celsius than the needle

[dire igloo]

SATA II? Hot damn

[night girder]

mhm

[fallen cradle]

Goin in there in a MicroAtx build

[dire igloo]

That's what thermal mass means: the amount of heat required to increase temperature by 1K

[night girder]

not disagreeing

[dire igloo]

So a larger thermal mass can hold more thermal energy per degree Celsius

[twin dew]

Most commonly GPUs pull from bottom and exhaust to sides of the card, now also straight up with some of the cards.

[night girder]

I have put toilet paper to most of my fans (to double check if they push or pull) but I never did it with my GPU. Other problems on my mind 🤣

[dire igloo]

Bottom line: if your CPU draws 100W of power, it's gonna output 100W of heat.

My point about higher CPU temps meaning lower room temps was about OC profiles that generally reduce power draw the higher the hardware temps go

[twin dew]

Only the blower style, that used to be used for first party coolers, exhausts straight out.
Normal style cooler will just heat up the case insides, and almost always affect the temperature of the CPU cooler intake air.

[dire igloo]

Extreme example: you use an absolutely abhorrent CPU cooler and it quickly hits 95C and starts thermal throttling.
Now your 95C CPU runs fast like a sloth with a power draw of basically nothing.
Compare that to a proper CPU cooler that even under full load keeps the CPU at 70C - hundreds of watts of heat easily handled and all dissipated into the environment

[dire igloo]

Note the existence of hybrid cards (Acer A770) and single fan axial coolers

[night girder]

If you have two CPU's draw 100W. In two seperate rooms but both rooms are exactly the same, also in temperature.

Now one PC keeps the CPU around 30 degree celcius (pulling numbers out of my arse).
The second PC keeps the CPU around 90 degree celcius (crap cooler, and number made up).

Will both rooms have the same average temperature? Or is the room of the PC 30 degree a tiny bit hotter because the cooler is pulling more heat away and pushing it into the room?

[twin dew]

Most current GPU coolers might seem to have exhaust slots in the card slot, but the fins actually block any air from getting out of there.

[dire igloo]

100W is 100W.
Both rooms will reach the same temperature at equilibrium

[night girder]

Interesting. It goes against my intuitive.

[dire igloo]

Until the room heats up so much that the 90C cooler increases so far in temps that the CPU starts thermal throttling

[night girder]

Yeah, but I just took 90C to make drastic difference. Know it's temperature that are getting borderline 😛

[dire igloo]

Just think of the shitty cooler as the tiny 1000C sewing needle

[twin dew]

If the load temperature doesn't cause power reduction, then the heatload keeps the same, and the larger scale heating is exactly the same.
Only the immediate heat locations and temperatures change, not the steady state ambient.

[dire igloo]

Note that I'm talking about equilibrium.
The 90C PC might feel hotter because a lack of airflow slows down heat distribution across the room

[twin dew]

And any rise in intake air temperature for the cooler finstack itself directly means that the output air also gets hotter, and the thing being cooled gets hotter.

[dire igloo]

So one PC might be 40C close by vs 20C across the room and the other 35C vs 25C.
The total amount of heat inside the room is identical, but one feels hotter close to the PC

[night girder]

So ... what's the point of aircooling? 🤣

[tribal kraken]

Simplicity, other than PC world too

[twin dew]

And do note that all current liquid cooling solutions transfer the heat to air in the end.
They just move something else to move that heat from the original source to somewhere else with more room and/or cooler intake air.
(Not counting some permanent stuff that moves it to the ground or body of water at large scale)

[maiden coyote]

All heat must go into the air.. unless you're going to dig a hole and do geothermal, which a youtuber did awhile back with a window unit ( watercooled the condenser, ran like 50' of tubing in a hole and buried it ) ended up almost doubling the btu capacity of the window unit because it could dump heat into the ground much more effectively than air.

Industrial processes normally spray water over their radiators to help them reject heat into the air.

[pure karma]

air temp will depend on the cooling solution but the same amount of heat will be disapated

just fireworker sucks at explaining it

an exhaust aio config will put more of the heat into the air where as an intake will put more of the heat into disapation and into the case

so in the summer i swap to intake aio and winter exhaust aio

[tribal kraken]

Intake or exhaust makes no difference for this given problem

Both rooms are the same temp when having 100W heat load on them. Only difference is in the thermal interface between the worse cooler and CPU, which needs the higher temp delta to be able transfer the 100W load into the heat sink and to the room from there

[dire igloo]

Technically, air coolers also use liquid to move the heat.
But unlike water coolers, they utilize phase change to move the thermal energy

[twin dew]

For the ones that do have heatpipes.
Not all do.

But again complexity vs. performance tradeoffs.

[twin dew]

Basically cannot make tower style aircooler without heatpipes.
But lot of top-downs don't have any.

[languid gulch]

yea, need to figure out the stupid sync theme stuff so that everything can be coordinated

[visual tree]

Apparently, there are a lot of games on steam made by AI where publishers claim they were completely made by developers

[mental oriole]

It's so easy to spot ai generated stuff

[glossy glacier]

for now

[pure karma]

yea but if you have the same tranfer rate/aio aka a real life problem thats reasonable then yes

[soft bloom]

Higher temperature difference - faster temperature exchange.
Release of heat into air is delayed by thermal capacity of whatever gets hot and cooler solution.

To the touch, you don't really measure temperature of air. You can test that by blowing air from your mouth at your hand at different speeds air temperature is the same - of it been in your lungs. But when you do it fast it feels somewhat cool, white if slow - warm or even hot.

there's also a factor of fan speed, since essentially cooling is just an exchange of kinetic energy of heatsink into air molecules that bump into it.

engineeringtoolbox.com/convective-heat-transfer-d_430.html
Looks like for air it is dominated by square root of velocity, before factoring in area and temperature diff

[dire igloo]

#off-topic-tech message

Also keep in mind that a big factor for what makes you feel temperature is an insulative layer of air around your body formed through the hairs on your skin - or the lack thereof in a windy environment

[languid gulch]

went to the 2026 car show last week, and some are finally putting rear A/C in smaller SUVs/cars

it might not sound super important, but here it'll break 50C, and having any moving air on you when you get into a car is way better than a cold car with no moving air

also they made it really obvious it was an american car show because they had a fucking ferrari SUV as the first thing you see

[soft bloom]

I can also add that increasing airflow increases perception of how hot room feels even if components might be cooler relative to measurement with lower airflow.

[thin trout]

Yes and no. Going from low/no airflow to some airflow can feel warm because case temps can be similar or higher to body temp, but when you keep cranking up fans the case temp drops well below body temp and the room feels colder and colder due to increased air circulation.

[dire igloo]

And once again: insulative air layer.
In an environment with temps below body temp, low airflow doesn't feel as cold as high airflow because there's a thicker barrier between your skin and the colder outside.
idk about environments that are hotter than body temp tho

Perceived temp and actual temp need to be strictly separated

[thin trout]

A lot of people do have case air exhausting at 30-35 plus celcius, especially if they're in a warmer country/season. Most people probably

I'm in UK winter with fans that can do super high airflow and it can be 16c indoors so if i don't heat the room, turning the fans up causes very uncomfortable percieved temperature drop. I have to get the room temp up to at least 24c before that stops happening, and 27+ before the airflow feels warm.

[dire igloo]

Which is colder than body temp but generally warmer than skin temp

[thin trout]

extremeties around 30c in a 20c ambient is fairly normal

they freeze first

[thin trout]

yeah, we don't percieve temperature. We percieve heat exchange (positive or negative). Temperature is one factor in heat exchange, but it's not even the most important one.

[dire igloo]

Anyways, my conversation with Letterdief was about actual temperature in the room, not perceived temperature.

[dire igloo]

The key part is perception anyway.
We're flawed beings with biological systems, there are too many variables to control for.
If you're talking about how PC hardware influences room temps and how different cooling setups impact hardware temps and heat output, there's already a lot of stuff to account for.
And considering the level at which that conversation unfolded, bringing up human perception is making everything too complex

[thin trout]

Yeah, there is lots like a modern cpu/gpu will reduce its resistance and thus current and power output by ~10% if you drop it by 20c

which is relevant if you don't control for power (i.e. you just run a certain workload and ask how much it heats the room)

[dire igloo]

Also: OC profiles and fan curves will change power draw based on hardware temps - but hardware temps change based on cooler performance and power draw

If your hardware runs 10C hotter, it might clock down and reduce voltage so your power draw goes down.
Or you pick a more aggressive OC profile with a less aggressive fan curve which in consequence means higher temps and higher power draw

[thin trout]

yeah, i think it should be simplified into "X power out affects room temp Y amount" and "room temp with X airflow feels like Y"

[void pine]

(Not my image)

[cyan crescent]

Im looking at some custom length Ethernet cables and server racks. Is there any specific brands good for those i could look at?

[manic cipher]

Someone was at BestBuy.

[dire igloo]

Let's see what the pcpp hockeystick looks like now

Damn, seems to be stabilizing.
There's even a small dip

This was the graph last week

[pure karma]

Ai recommendations are so good…

[twin dew]

And I had specced desktop computers parts for nonprofit for ordering.
The person who did the actual order missed "2x <RAM URL>"...
Price for that second 8GB stick has risen from around 35e to 95e since.

And I didn't check the bag of parts when I got it, only now when I started to assemble.
Would have been "only" around 60e when I got them, if I had caught the missing RAM then.

[twin dew]

Also the cheapest DDR5 stick of any kind available via that retailer.

Almost everything is "No known availability"

As in that the EU level distributors have no idea when they might be getting more.

[night girder]

Every graph right now ...

We know who and what we can blame for this

30 euro kit is now 150-180 euro. 🤣

[twin dew]

Helldivers 2 devs: Oh, by the way, we are bringing the install size down from 131GB to 23GB by removing duplicated data.

They included that insanity because "industry data" said on HDD that would improve loading times by 5x, and then they doubled that to thinking that it would improve up to 10x.
And then testing they finally did now showed absolutely no impact, as the load time bottleneck was in procedural generation instead...

Which they coded to happen at parallel to the actual data loading from disk.

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/553850/view/491583942944621371

I wonder how many other games install size bloat is from same source...

[night girder]

Size bloat has been a thing for a while, atleast in my memory.

Call of Duty: Warzone is a very large game in terms of its download size. The standalone Warzone client weighs in at between 80 GB and 100 GB depending on your platform. Even if you already own Modern Warfare, which shares some of the same assets, the download size is still between 15 GB and 22 GB. Many have wondered why the file size is so large, and now Infinity Ward has responded.

Production director Paul Haile said on Twitter that the file size is massive because Warzone includes "a ton of content." Additionally, Warzone shares progression with Modern Warfare, which means every weapon and character asset from Modern Warfare must also work in Warzone.

From a news article 5 years ago. And that's the game that I first noticed something was off.

Baldur's Gate 3:

Some weird ass factory game made in UE

[visual tree]

If someone told me RAM today would cost almost half of the new PC, I would have declared them insane....

Guess I am the insane one

[night girder]

Nah, the prices are insane, it's pretty much 5x original price

[jagged snow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1pbzw8f/would_you_rent_b300_blackwell_ultra_gpus_in/

[jagged snow]

That's actually fascinating

[mental oriole]

No, anything that sounds too good to be true is an instant nogo.

Also

• Mongolia

[night girder]

damn, you actually said it.

[void pine]

But not why they're doing it

[pure karma]

Money

[soft bloom]

Conversation about air cooling and temp perception reminded me Once again about how freaking wrong is the "5 senses" notion.
In addition to temperature, air movement, electrical field (yes, hairs feel it tool, acceleration, orientation (tilt)...
It 's pure enshitification from child of how people perceive themselves, so they don't have wonder, do they don't have questions so they don't understand themselves and what they feel

[mental oriole]

Sure did.

[dire igloo]

It's a simplification for the sake of explanation ("there are many different ways how we experience the world around us") that then wasn't elaborated further and over generations became a kind of self-repeating misinformation.

Ideally, you'd tell children in kindergarten or first grade about the five senses as an entry level explanation for how the human body perceives the world.
Then later on, you go into what other senses there are and the biological workings of those senses.

Btw, did you know that those tongue maps of where you taste what are also misinformation?
You have taste receptors everywhere for all tastes, they're just more concentrated in some areas - those images also usually forget to include umami.
Plus, it's not taught WHY we've developed those taste receptors

[void pine]

i saw it in a book published from 2014

and immediately tried putting grains of salt on different parts of my mouth

i honestly feel there's a bit of truth to it

[wanton orchid]

the thing is it shouldn't be taught in a way it hinder further improving of your knowledge

such as asking you to copy hundreds time extrapolated content from such highly simplified books so you can keep repeating the same shit and make your academy look like it's any use to society

[thin trout]

Now things are different. We have real measurements specific to our game instead of industry data.
That is a massive screw up. It's easy to record and check actual data when your game is live. How could they have a global controversy repeated hitting gaming news sites etc for years, without having even checked this basic assumption on which their whole game architecture and argument is based on until now? It must have been trusted as law, when in fact it's data of questionable applicability at best.

They literally never measured A vs B load time. They never ran a profiler. They just built everything on top of completely untested (later proven to be erroneous) assumptions. That is HORRIBLE practice. Every unpaid project that i've been a part of has done better.

[twin dew]

Or even before launch in small scale tests.
And the long time point of duplication is to duplicate SOME of the data to minimize amount of seeks to level that makes sense.
Not that level of duplication...

[thin trout]

It's a technique that can be helpful, but as with any optimisation you must actually A/B test. If it's hurting, you don't do it. If it's helping, you test different configurations to find the config that gives the best performance or the best tradeoffs for your particular thing.

The last project that i work on had no storage concerns (the entire project was <10MB), but we wrestled with CPU/GPU time and memory a lot. We tested on Windows Nvidia, Windows Radeon, Windows Intel (2 architectures), Linux Nvidia and Linux Radeon (sometimes with 2 driver branches) before every significant optimisation change. We tested CPU/RAM changes with and without memory overclocking, and on CPU variants with different amounts of cache.

That's freelancers, not a billion dollar game(!! literally, i just checked). They could have paid somebody £100k to test this to death and got that back 10-100x over, no matter the results, because the game file size being 154GB when it should be 23GB or the game performance in some area being unneccesarily bad for most players at most times is statistically certainly costing them a lot of players, engagement and money at that point.

[twin dew]

Yup, but that should basically never lead to that level of duplication.
As seeks aren't THAT expensive in the end, and you cannot guarantee that the files are continous on the disk anyways.

Whole thing came from using any free space left on game CD/DVD for duplicates, based on profiling.

When running direct from the optical drive in consoles.

And any seeks on optical are SLOW compared to HDD.

And you would need profiling anyways to determine what order the data should be on, for them to be in the same order as the game code is telling the OS to load them...

[distant mountain]

I've never had my laptop get too hot tbh so probably does

[void pine]

@hardy compass apple sillicon is actually one one of the strongest cores iirc

they're great products, except for the repairability

[hardy compass]

I don't want to vendor-lock my pc, thanks

[void pine]

it's not a PC

also wdym vendor-lock

[hardy compass]

whatever device

[distant mountain]

I like apple laptops for school related studd

stuff

[void pine]

they're unreasonably common in that segment

[distant mountain]

when I took an architecture course in high school I remember my macbook ran better than anything I saw

[void pine]

not impressive tbh

[distant mountain]

they don't seem so good for gaming support (at least when I used to try because I didn't have a pc) but for work sorta things they seem to fair really well

[hardy compass]

they suck for (my) work

[void pine]

you can use WINE to play most windows games that don't use anticheat

[distant mountain]

still, some people had like 3-4k gaming laptops that supposedly were great for those apps and they did not fair as well

[void pine]

what is your work...

[hardy compass]

web dev

[distant mountain]

yeah I have done that, also had parallels for a bit but it seemed to take a toll on performance which makes sense considering it's practically an emulator (I think)

[void pine]

web dev...

[void pine]

well, anything to let you run windows apps on apple sillicon is an emulator of some kind

since Windows apps are x86-exclisuve

[distant mountain]

I remember doing web dev in school and hated it so much, might've been because of the teacher tbf

I don't know OSs well enough to understand what that means exactly

I've heard x32 and x64 thrown around all the time but not much clue what it actually means

[void pine]

Apple Sillicon is ARM and uses 16k page files (basically the smallest amount o f ram that gets swapped to/from disk)

[hardy compass]

32/64bit

[void pine]

x86 uses... x86 and has 4k page files

But generic ARM CPUs have 4k page files

[distant mountain]

I take it that's why macs have a lot less ram than majority of laptops/pcs

[void pine]

Doesn't it mean x86 32/64?

[void pine]

No, page files are like.

I don't know 😭

[hardy compass]

x86 is architecture, can support 16/32/64 bit apps nowdays

[distant mountain]

might be chatgpt time

[void pine]

Windows only supports 64-bit iirc

[twin dew]

Only if you want random misleading stuff that might be hallucinated.

[distant mountain]

yeah probably

[twin dew]

No, 64-bit Windows supports 64bit and 32bit Windows applications.

[distant mountain]

deepseek time

[twin dew]

Same for ANY LLM.

[void pine]

Oh, I thought you needed to do some hacking

[distant mountain]

lmao

[void pine]

46 thousand monkeys on typewriters would be more accurate

[distant mountain]

tbf the amount of problems deepseek has helped me with is insane (especially for game coding stuff recently)

although that's more logic based ig which is probably something it works better with

[twin dew]

LLMs are just tokens after tokens.
They "know" what tokens are most common to follow each other in specific contexts.
But they don't actually know what those tokens mean.
And if the question isn't common, you get whatever they confabulated up.
As they cannot say they don't know.

Large LANGUAGE Model.

The whole tech is just about outputting natural looking language, not that the content is something usable.

[dire igloo]

They're linguistic predictors.
Their responses are just the most likely sequence of words.

If you feed all of Albert Einstein's work into an LLM, you'll get an immensely good Einstein impersonator.
Not a second Einstein.

[thin trout]

Common x86 CPU's support page sizes from 4KB to 2048KB+.

You're saying that apple does not have the option for anything smaller than 16KB, which is a reduced capability.

[void pine]

What even is a page file

[twin dew]

Minimum amount of RAM that can be handled as unit.

[thin trout]

in virtual memory

[faint turret]

That's the one you download from the Internet, right?

[distant mountain]

I assume an annalogy to that would be as if someone knows 4+4=8 but can't do addition, they just know the answer to that specific question?

[twin dew]

But basically 16KB pages vs. 4KB pages means that you need 4x less redirection table entries for same performance, or can get better performance with same size table.

[thin trout]

4KB is the default because smaller page sizes result in less wasted RAM capacity and bandwidth, but it's difficult to keep track of large numbers of pages, so programs which need to handle large chunks of memory will often benefit from breaking it into fewer, larger chunks.

With a 2MB page for example you might only need 1.8MB of data, so you have allocated 2MB of RAM for 1.8MB of data. That means that you have "wasted" 0.2MB of RAM capacity in that page, but the advantage is that 1 single address points you to ALL of the data instead of having to store a few hundred different addresses in a performance-critical area of the CPU and piece them all together to get your 1.8MB of stuff.

[twin dew]

They don't even know that, ask LLM to do calculation and you get whatever.

They just know that it is format #+#=# where #:s are numbers.

[faint turret]

They know that the symbols "4 + 4" are usually followed by "= 8", so if you tell it to sum four and four it might just tell you fish (it won't, because they're both extremely common sentences, but I think that's the logic)

[distant mountain]

well yeah but just in terms of knowing answers based on the past rather than actually understanding but I think I get the basis of what you mean

[twin dew]

Very common to get just completely random number as the =#

[faint turret]

Ffs

[void pine]

I don't think we have AI yet

[faint turret]

BTW, did you see the video where they mess with the the inputs given to GPT's API, so it starts losing all reasoning and answer with random symbols?

[twin dew]

We don't.
We just have total hypetrain going on about machine learning and language models.

[void pine]

I have it saved!

And it's where my username comes from.

[faint turret]

That's a nice demonstration of how they fail. Mess with one "word domino" and the whole "stack" loses meaning completely

[twin dew]

Neither which is anywhere near being near even non-general AI, and cannot get there with the current base techs.
And AGI is just pipe-dream currently.

[void pine]

absolutely hate it when discord servers require phone verification

[twin dew]

But basically from how LLMs work, they seem to be really great when you give them common questions that have common answers.
But fail completely for stuff that is uncommon, and just confabulate something up, which looks great if you don't actually check.

And any of the details even in response to simple common question can still be just confabulated.

[faint turret]

Tbf, it's not its fault Google results got so bad that people started looking up to its results so much instead 😅

[wanton orchid]

Also note actually inter process interfaces use special memory mapping, so having 15 such special mapping on 4k pages potentially use 512 times less memory than same number of mapping but 2M page size
so you want to mix
4k system mappings
2M+ data mapping (especially "working" data set)

[twin dew]

And on x86-64, you also have 1GB pages.
Which are pretty useless for most stuff, but very beneficial for some limited things.

[thin trout]

Big Factorio worlds get like a 25% perf boost using 2MB pages instead of 4KB. Satisfactory probably does/would too, but i'm unsure if they use them.

[twin dew]

Also, Apple M-chips are very wide designs per core.
Which makes them get very high performance in synthetic benchmarks and very optimized number crunching code.
But if the code isn't optimized to the max, the actual performance has much sharper decline compared those optimum numbers.

[twin dew]

Intentional to get good performance in the optimum situation while keeping max frequency down to keep power usage down.

[soft bloom]

it's sort of like aproaching programming language within a certaint paradigm
for example: python is often presented as OOP language
and most entry level courses will introduce OOP as almost musthave in a nay project of a size
meanwhile, there's a lot more to how OOP plays within language overall, and how it can be used.

I think, one big problem with introducing senses with those 5 inputs from body is that it skips man-in-the-middle - brain. completely.
and in addition to that, ignores whatever happens inside our mind. and how it plays with brain and body - how senses can cause emotions. and how emotions can cause changes in body that are completely outside with these 5 senses.
people are not thought the importance of detecting what happens inside of them, and responding to these senses, liek to muscle tension caused by fear. and instead their attention directed towards laughibly unimportant ones.
I mean, sure sight is important, but are you really concerned with what wavelength are hitting your eyes when you are reading text or looking at the face of your parent? what do you actually experience instead?

[dire igloo]

Python is OOP?

I know that Java is the go-to teaching example for oop, didn't know that Python also worked that way

And about your second paragraph:
That's too advanced for the level of education at which the five senses model is introduced. The issue isn't the five senses model on its own, it's the lack of elaboration in later phases of education.
Wavelength of light is important when discussing electromagnetic radiation.
The correlation between physical and emotional state is important when discussing psychology.
Biochemical response to external stimuli is important when studying neurological disorders.

[soft bloom]

it's not OOP per se, it is quite good at functional programming too.
python.org certainly doesn't present it that way.
but it's often presented and thought with OOP in mind.
most entry-intermediate level jobs will ask to know OOP in python. In Web, Django huge role and it uses OOP quite a lot, so it makes sense.
Most popular frameworks written for Python are using objects and center around instances doing something on other instances.
Just that Python is actually good at functional too. Functions are really powerful (maybe in part because they are secretly objects hehe).

[soft bloom]

Biochemical response to external stimuli

1. not just external
2. it's most important in day-to-day life to understand and manage your own emotions and body.
   which is something, children should be thought. when it's delayed, we see generation of social media scrollers who seek psychological help.

that's what I don't agree with you on. it's not a model that should be entry level, it's not even a good one.

when you learn to drive bycicle, what should you focus on?
is it friction between tire and road? is it act of balancing when it's steady? is it how leaning to the side affects turning? or is it feeling of acceleration when applying more force to pedals? maybe ability to judge how much braking and on which wheel should be applied to not crash?
5 senses model would be equivalent of saying that you can look in front of you and feel road bumps with you bum. kind of true but skips the important part.

[dire igloo]

I want to see you teach biochemistry to first graders.
Good fucking luck.

[soft bloom]

there's difference between understanding technical details of process and learning to observe it and manage it to the extent that you can

[dire igloo]

Also: media literacy is a whole different topic and should absolutely be taught early on.
But sensory processing in human biology gets immensely complex and you have to weigh scientific accuracy against didactic success

[dire igloo]

Even then, teaching emotional literacy is a whole different topic from teaching the human sensory system.

[soft bloom]

that's the thing
you don't need to explain to baby biomechanics to teach them to walk

[dire igloo]

There's a difference between "we have a sense for umami as a flavor because we need to detect proteins in our food" and "your grandma's recipe will always taste better when she cooks it because you're in a different emotional state while eating"

[dire igloo]

Exactly.
So don't complain about teachers telling kids about the most basic senses

You don't need to know about your body's gyroscopic system when you're learning how your perceive your surroundings

Same reason you don't need to know how smelling works when you're learning the biomechanics of our ears

[soft bloom]

yet is connected
since emotions is a very tensionable thing everyone expereiences, senses
and it is connected to those 5 senses too
but somehow I see 0 value to remembering that 5 sense exist, and tremendous value to understanding how hug affects one's emotional state, how smell can bring memories, how hearing or seeing someone can form bonds
it's also a difference in how to explore world : stating that 5 senses exist does a mere job of categorising one small part of whole picture, while you could focus on processes that matter.
hehe, that's why I compared to OOP vs functional in Python - they are still interlaced in one another

[soft bloom]

knowing that you HAVE that sense is of a big help
because then you can pinpoint specific sense, what you experience, where is it's source

[dire igloo]

Same reason you don't need to know about gamma radiation when discussing the physics of the human eye

[soft bloom]

oh maybe I also have big grudge since schooling system can often punish for curiosity so giving answer that doesn't 100% match expectation can often be punished aka stating that you can sense acceleration or speed will get you C cause "that's not one of 5 senses"...
heh

[dire igloo]

Good luck teaching first graders that.
It's easy to blindfold them and hand them an object to identify - tadaaa, they now learned touch.
But good luck teaching them about an automated system like our sense of balance

[twin dew]

We can sense acceleration, via touch basically.
We cannot sense speed, except by visual comparison to something else, that even then only gives bad approximation of relative speed.

[dire igloo]

That's bad teaching and you should blame the teacher.
You can also blame the system for allowing the teacher to pull off that bullshit.
But you shouldn't blame the five senses model for its inaccuracies - it's good for what it's designed to do, you just have to have a teacher that knows what they're doing.

[dire igloo]

That second part is one of the fundamental principles behind Einstein's theory of relativity

[soft bloom]

oh crap I did say "or speed" indeed
heh, that is a topic I would like to see myself try to explain without derivates

[dire igloo]

All of those concepts you describe are too advanced for first grade level education.
They are important, but you need more fundational work before you can teach children about them.

[soft bloom]

though, I know that more advanced math CAN be thought at much younger age then it typically is presented

[twin dew]

The inner ear three axis balance thingie is just using fluid inertia and touch input from hairs in that fluid, as the fluid causes them to touch the touch receptors next to the hair coming out.

[dire igloo]

If you die in the same hospital bed that you were born in, your average velocity across the Earth's surface is zero.

[twin dew]

And in a way hearing is also done via touch and hairs...

[dire igloo]

You can turn that biological lesson into a physics one by talking about wave propagation and air pressure

[soft bloom]

you aim for fundamental based explanation, and it is something that is nearly impossible without full understanding of everything there is - there always is a line we draw between "must know" and "too early"/"unkown".
yet somehow humans can operate in this world where word are not fully understood (or replaced with imagination).

I believe that there's value in pointing at phenomena and letting someone wonder on their own what it is about

[soft bloom]

continental drift

[twin dew]

But I would really thing that even this level would be too much for normal persons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory_neuron

[pure karma]

im so glad i avoided the science/physics/nutrition block at all costs cause this stuff looks like a pain to learn

[dire igloo]

That's why models exist.
We have our model of five senses as an entry point to perception.
We have our model of different tastes as a continuation for nutritional science.

Every model is a simplified version of reality and the degree of simplification is determined by the purpose of that model.

[dire igloo]

Fair. Nigh zero.

You'll probably die in a different bed anyway unless the hospital turned the newborn facility into a different unit

[pure karma]

i mean like 90 years is a lot for a room to stay the exact same

[soft bloom]

yes
yet, is it truly the same 'touch' as skin contact?
is temperature under same category of input?
would pain be there? what about difference between electric shock, stubbing, cutting, grinding or pressure?
there are lots of questions that can arise
and yet... what's the value behind them? (heh got me thinking again)

[soft bloom]

average

[twin dew]

Seems not on the current listing of those different sensor neuron cells.

[dire igloo]

Thing is: learning becomes a lot easier when you start with the problem and then explain the solution.

Example: nutrition.
Our body needs a couple different things to function and our taste sense has developed to detect each one of those - or something very closely related.

[soft bloom]

that would be good balance imo.
even if receptors are not fully introduced, and left as just tiny invisible parts of body

[pure karma]

learning to learn is hard

[twin dew]

But basically that level of detail is VERY new.
That five sense model is hundreds if not thousands of years old.

[soft bloom]

also yeah system is to blame cause 'learning' to pass tests removes anything good there is about learning

[dire igloo]

A cool thought experiment:
What do protons taste like?
If you ate a couple hydrogen nuclei, how would you describe that flavor?

[pure karma]

figuring out where to find information, finding trustable sources, finding things or parts or whatever that are good, looking for documentation maybe

so much of learning is actually searching instead of "learning"

[dire igloo]

Teaching is a big part of learning.
Studying is a symptom of bad teaching - a good teacher gives their students a toolkit and encourages them to use it.
With a good teacher, homework becomes a fun exercise instead of a chore.

[pure karma]

yea but if you dont have someone to teach you something

[dire igloo]

Tests are wildly misunderstood too.
The results of a test are used to judge the students but never the teachers.

If a class has a 50% failure rate on a test, everyone thinks that either the test was too hard or the students too lazy/dumb.
But hardly anyone will point at the teacher for being incompetent

[dire igloo]

In a working education system, this means it's either not important enough for you to learn it (then don't learn it) or you're motivated enough to learn it by yourself

[twin dew]

Also the move to standardized testing and/or tying school funding to test pass rate has led to the actual education taking deep dive, and instead concentrates into test-passing.

[pure karma]

i think technology is fairly important

but theres no career paths or education given for it

which is crazy in my opinion

[twin dew]

Also move to bigger and bigger classes etc. causing major issues.
And when teachers have no way to handle even single disruptive student in the class, to give rest of the class chance.

[dire igloo]

Wisdom versus Intelligence.
Knowing how to do research is more important than remembering factoids.
Facts can change over time as new discoveries are made or old beliefs are disproven.
Methodology remains consistent.

There's a saying in German "Wissen heißt wissen wo's steht" which translates to "knowledge is knowing where to find it" and that's basically it.
You don't need to remember the information itself, but you do need to know how to find it should you need it.

[pure karma]

yep but i dont know where to find it so i jsut assume it dosent exist

[twin dew]

But as testing for that is much harder than just by-rote fact retainment checking...

[pure karma]

i gave up long ago

[dire igloo]

Which is also a common failure of our education system, it promotes bulimic learning:
You shovel up all the knowledge for the test, you throw it up onto the exam paper and then you're left with a whole lotta nothing.

[dire igloo]

It's easy to prove that something exists, but it's really damn difficult to prove that something doesn't exist.

That's why a lot of mathematical proofs for "X thing doesn't exist" build off of "let's assume X does exist"

[pure karma]

yea that concept isent much new

iv seen it used a few times

[dire igloo]

It's easy to do.

1. Assume a solution exists.
2. Find a paradox.
3. Conclude a solution can't exist.

√2 irrationality
halting problem
infinite prime numbers
etc.

One of my favorite facts about Magic The Gathering is that we'll never be able to fully compute it even with near infinite computing power.

[pure karma]

yea well theres also almost infinite cards

but if its a sign to how good education is around here im in class talking to you and playing Satisfactory rn

[dire igloo]

Even with a finite amount of cards it's not possible

[pure karma]

i have an hour period where i literally just do nothing

[dire igloo]

Because MtG is turing-complete.
You can create a game state that fulfills all the criteria for a turing machine.
And in order to compute how to play the game optimally, you'd have to determine whether that gamestate ends in a win or triggers an endless loop.
And to answer that question for a turning machine, you'd have to solve the halting problem.
Issue is, the halting problem is mathematically proven to be unsolvable.

[mental oriole]

Small startup...

[sharp matrix]

Not really, this is more of a proto-ai if anything else, its only good at sounding like it have it intelligence, but basically its not even close to AGI

I view the current state of ai in general more hype and marketing for companies to capitalize on whats currently trending and popular, even though ai does have application, current company evaluations such as nvidia is clearly existing in a bubble that is bound to burst at some point

[twin dew]

Currently we have better parrots.

[sharp matrix]

if I was a investor truth be told I would sell all of my stock in that company, that clearly is going to crash at some point, only a question of when in my view

[mental oriole]

Stop calling it AI for once...

[sharp matrix]

proto-ai i think is more accurate, or pre-ai, whatever you like

because in my view ai=agi, which we currently dont have

[mental oriole]

call it AI when it has actual intelligence.

[sharp matrix]

yeah that would be agi, which who knows when that is going to happen

why i dont consider it either, its obvious as you say not actual intelligence, that much is very clear

[twin dew]

Any intelligence, even in very limited set.
AGI refers to general intelligence.
We just have mimicry currently, and the tech used can only do mimicry.

No route to intelligence.

[sharp matrix]

still its fun to see the media hype up this pre-ai stuff like this is the future, when its not even close to agi, but obvious the share holders are largely at play with this marketing manipulation hype, alot of money is after all riding on keeping the ai hype going, while i view it all as mostly useless I do wonder if perhaps some amount of the money can at least be funneled into researching into agi, as that would actually be the future

so perhaps that is one good thing that might eventually come from the hype, if at least some of the money can be put into figuring out how to get to agi

as personally i view if agi can happen, that is when things actually start to get interesting

[twin dew]

You should be able to do very focused aspect AIs long before we can do AGI.
But the current LLM development doesn't even try for intelligence as part of the stuff.
And general machine learning attempts mostly haven't either.
Just making better mousetrap in mimicry or algorithm spaces.

Just with black box decision trees hidden by the machine learning algorithms.

[pure karma]

the last hype (vr) atleast has a function and was not a slopfest of garbage actively trying to replace us horibly

i cant put myself to use ai for research when i have to research myself anyway

its an extra step doing nothing but wasting time

[sharp matrix]

like corporations try to replace us with this pre-ai, its not going to end well

[twin dew]

https://www.reuters.com/business/micron-exit-crucial-consumer-memory-business-2025-12-03/

[mental oriole]

<@&387163995947270144> Spammed in every chat...

nvm... deleted before ping

[vapid heron]

bot got it

[mental oriole]

Ahh nice.

Just took a few moments.

[orchid verge]

no - i got it

regex should be checked

[mental oriole]

Ahh 🙂

[soft bloom]

there's a good thing about Kaggle is that you can just leave something to run periodically, updating itself

INGV's own reporting

1. logscale... is not used
2. no way to properly compare with timescale most recent changes
3. well, they track even quakes even below magnitude -1 which is like really weak

ok tbf there's a better plot later in report

[soft bloom]

there's always something mesmerizing when looking at gravity cycles (changing)

[soft bloom]

@faint turret I will just say that you can read this report by INGV on their site

[night girder]

"Micron has made the **__difficult __**decision to exit the Crucial consumer business in order to improve supply and support for our larger, strategic customers in faster-growing segments."

Yeah right. difficult my ass 🤣

And their model/brand name was "crucial" (definition: Vital to the resolution of a crisis or the determination of an outcome) the irony ...

[pure karma]

crucial to the downfall of society

[visual tree]

Can't believe HOA can dictate what you can do with your own home. Here, if you own a house, it's yours and nobody can tell you how many bushes you can plant, what paint you can use, how many cars you can park in front of the house, etc...

Basically, "my property, my rules"

Residential building is something completely different from a family house

Here, tenant representative decides rules for residential buildings and decisions are made by 51% majority of apartment owners. This is not the case for family homes where an owner has complete freedom and he can do whatever he wants

That's why I am considering never moving to an apartment building because I heard horror stories

Living in a house might be more expensive considering maintenance but at least you have complete freedom

My neighbor lives in an apartment building and his evil tenant representative denied him a right to install AC for a sinister reason: the tenant representative wants to make my neighbor's life as miserable as possible in order to force my neighbor to move out so evil tenant representative can buy his apartment

Not to mention my neighbor is disabled because of his leg and he can barely walk

This is one of the reasons I don't want to live in an apartment building

You are basically at the mercy of other apartment owners + tenant representative

https://youtu.be/1NOFAmLx7xo

Only my honest word: I still own the house

I was actually planning on selling it before people who live in apartment buildings told me not to

[void pine]

machine learning

should I update

[sharp matrix]

its your slop, you deal with it

just dont blame us when the ai does something stupid like erase your entire hard drive

[void pine]

no, I'm just debating if I should

everyone else in my family has updated

how

would a software update affect charging speed

[void pine]

only dangerous for the cable

devices will never implement PD profiles above their capabilities... or rather, shouldn't

also the handshake is done at a fairly low level

btw, when you say charger, I assume you/re talking about the thing you plug into the wall

i prefer to call it a power supply because it doesn't actually handle charging of the battery

yup

except with USB-PD dynamic voltage or whatever

basically turns your USB-C supply into an actual charger

because the device being charged can tell it what voltage it wants

[jagged snow]

A manufacturer brand exiting the consumer space is the last thing we need
arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/12/after-nearly-30-years-crucial-will-stop-selling-ram-to-consumers/

Its wild that there's so much demand from ai that one of the biggest memory makers in the world decides the consumer market holds such little value it's not worth staying in the consumer market at all

We really did need more fab cap and competition even before this boom, now it's really bad

[languid gulch]

and when the bubble pops, micron will stop existing

sucks

i have 2 crucial NVMe's in my system, and 1 that i just got for each of my parents' systems for the win11 transition

yup

it's like if volkswagen announced they're only going to be building trains & semitrailers

i'm not surprised that skoda would be more popular locally

kinda reminds me of all the local beer brands getting bought up by inbev & anheuser-busch, but they keep the production & names local

god i can't stand bud

my dad was a big budweiser drinker for most of my life 🤣

finally got him to try blue moon and he's never looked back

US

[jagged snow]

I doubt they'll go anywhere, they're still selling ICS to other vendors
But them having their own brand is a good competitive force for lowering prices

[languid gulch]

all these idiots are cutting ties that they won't just be able to go back to once the bubble pops

whatever sweetheart deals they cut with vendors decades ago won't be there when they try to go back

[jagged snow]

That's definitely true
Some companies will die, some will just get hurt

Micron is local to me so I always like to support them lol
I have lots of friends that work there

[languid gulch]

also, leaving a market will mean they lose expertise in that manufacturing, and if/when they do come back, quality will be dogshit

i assume that the "basic" stuff is done in taiwan & india, and final integration is done in the US

they burned $15B making a new fab in Boise

[languid gulch]

just as soon as they sell those last 14900s

[visual tree]

There is no precise term for this in english but another term would be building co-owners representative

Since different countries have different systems regarding how residential buildings are managed and they might have different terms

[visual tree]

I hate ESRI shapefile and dangles

I should probably start taking QGIS tutorials...

[bold tapir]

Dont understand a single word

Yes i guess

Agree

[restive widget]

It aint that bad

If you know how to convert it back to the old way

Wait. What issues do you have with the taskbar?

[glossy glacier]

you are too lazy. I switched

[restive widget]

Conversion install or fresh install?

Huh.

For me idk if win 11 does this by default but I always have taskbar always on...but yeah odd. I never had that issue

Ahh makes sense why I don't have it.....I never put my system to sleep

Recevently restarted it?

Ah

My pc just runs 24/7

Big red stop button?

I have 0 complaints about win 11

Hmm

Ye

Amd all the way here..

For?

I wasn't gouged that bad when I got the 2 12tb disks

She works for what I user her for

[mental oriole]

I wouldnt complain if it was foe the following.

• AI bloat everywhere
• theu constanrly want you to use ms acc
• its fucking slow af
• impossible to fins anything, some shit is in old gui, some in new
• higly inconsistent
• updates needs a restart AND takes forever (my arch installed everything in 5min, and no reboot)
• you need drivers for basic shit that should just work
• gaming on linux is mostly a performance gain either way

The good thing with windows

• you can play all those games that need kernel level anticheat

[restive widget]

I turned thw ai off in registry.
Made a local account through the command line on install.
I dont find it slow. (Depends what storage media you are using and the pc specs in general. But also the ai stuff does take alot of usage)
Windows updates always had to restart for. (Mine only takes 5 min to update)
Everything always needed drivers.

[twin dew]

To be fair, Linux systems would need restarts after lot of updates, they just don't do it automatically without extra software.
In some cases just restarting the services etc. that are still using old file versions would be enough without full restart.
For some like Kernel updates restart is needed without special distros with hotpatching kernels.

[mental oriole]

Takes forever to boot and login.

[pure karma]

i like it since its on all monitors unlike on bazzite which made me realize how wmuch i use multi monitor task bars

[pure karma]

whichever is first in the alphabet

so tux

[dire igloo]

Welcome to the hockeystick of RAM prices

2x16gb DDR5 used to be readily available at $80-$90
Now it doesn't even go below $200

[restive widget]

I made my taskbar like how win 10 had theirs

[restive widget]

True true...

It isnt that hard to change it tho lol

Ive done it

I dont like the centered taskbar...but also the search option i dont use

Im not even home lol..(theese are old photos

Nah. Im at work

Good question.....I got both

For speakers?

[pseudo bloom]

i use a wireless sound bar and sub woofer behind my setup, it pounds music, and then i have a headset for the odd game of COD or whatever

[restive widget]

Id rather go late 70s early 80s tech

[pseudo bloom]

It has the best sound quality, the old school stuff

[restive widget]

No I was recapping the stereo

[pseudo bloom]

im ghetto fabulous over here, lol

[restive widget]

Looks good

[tribal kraken]

Some new cables too. Only good HDMI was too short

[tribal kraken]

Have to say that I really like the looks of this new LG OLED C5 TV/monitor, the VA panel on the right side looks so dark and foggy. Not to even mention the problems VA has in gaming with ghosting of dark objects.

[mental oriole]

Tjat info is <redacted>

[jagged snow]

I've really enjoyued having even a cheap oled
The motion clarity does not compare to anything else I've used.

[tribal kraken]

Yeah, 4K PUBG feels smooth, screen is 144Hz and it runs about 160-200fps

[pure karma]

Definitely a bit chaotic but it gives off a making do with what i have vibe so i cant diss it

[pseudo bloom]

iv been working on building my pc and surrounding setup for awhile, it costs alot of money for sure, iv been more interested in the guts of my pc rather then the surrounding scenery, but its coming, i have plans for nice monitors and stuff after im done with my pc, i need an upgraded gpu next

[pure karma]

yea i finally put a bit of love in the deco/asthetics of my setup this summer and it made such a diffrence its insane

[pseudo bloom]

i believe it for sure lad, i have nice pieces, honestly the mian thing holding me back atm is a need a new nicer desk and some shelving for my trinkets, i have to much shit laying aorund on my deks

[pure karma]

thats what i did and it helped tons got a larger desk and a shelf

[pseudo bloom]

These are from today, it will get better once I get some shelves il and get a bigger desk, I want a big L shaped desk with upper shelves, I have one picked out just haven’t had the extra cash for it yet lol

[pure karma]

made a few touch ups but this is how i had it a few weeks ago

desk is in 3 pieces so i can move it around wherever i want

[snow plaza]

Lego or off-brand car?

kinda what my desk looks like atm

[pure karma]

Actual lego

use to have working lights on it but i got tired of changing thr batteries

[snow plaza]

set number?

[pure karma]

Dunno il have to look around

[snow plaza]

no worries

I ask because it looks on par with an off-brand i've been buying that goes hyper-detailed on vehicles

On the shelf behind me I have a jeep wrangler with a functional 5+R transmission, transfer case and diff locks.

[pure karma]

42127

Available on amazon it seems

[snow plaza]

(I use functional loosely, it came with specialized technic axles that were meant to be used in place of certain ones that have a high torque load. I did not use them because the instructions did not mention them.)

lol i didn't realize it was a batmobile

[pure karma]

I didn’t either but yea apparently its meant to br

[snow plaza]

it just looks like a challenger or something similar lol

I'm assuming 2022 movie basis

The Batman's director Matt Reeves tweeted photos of the Batmobile for the film as a muscle car. With the bodywork of the car appearing to be a 1968 or 1970s Dodge Charger.

[pure karma]

yea it really does have that blocky sports look

[visual tree]

None

[night girder]

Just got home from bastogne, battle of the bulge etc.

Damn interesting museum.

It's the original airplane. It sadly crashed so it got restored and put in the museum.

P-51 Mustang. Original crew.

[languid gulch]

the mustang is still probably the most beautiful planes ever made

even the external fuel tanks are pretty

[night girder]

it's really pretty airplane to look at

[night girder]

and yeah, they do look good.

there was only one fuel tank they displayed, but it was different one and damage since it fell down when they released it and we found it.

[languid gulch]

even when they tried to make it ugly they failed

[night girder]

even those exhausts look good

[languid gulch]

i wanna know if they had to do anything to its skeleton to hang it from those cables, or if those are something like mounts that were used to carry it around a factory

[night girder]

Also, first time I saw a sherman tank in real life and was kinda surprised how massive it was.

like a small building on wheels.

[night girder]

There was a video and all I saw was they restored it inside the room and then lifted it up.

probably removed weight (motor etc).

Also, the little details, like the markings where pilots could set their feet* on the wings.

[languid gulch]

ah true, no engine would definitely help

[jagged snow]

You just invented spacecraft

[jagged snow]

Was just referring to the fact that orbit is technically a continuous fall where you have velocity perpendicular to the action of gravity that moves you tangentially to the orbit at the same rate as gravity pulls you down

[languid gulch]

i'm wondering if the US is gonna leverage russia hard with the latest BS

destroying their sole way into space was bad enough

they don't have any launch pads to put people in space

i'm thinking we'll charge a billion dollars per seat

i mean, with it being a multinational state run project, the cost isn't much of a factor

my suspicion is a fair amount of luck, plus lots of shielded components that are way more robust than some of today's stuff

i can never tell if they're joking or not, and in either case i write them off

oh i mean regular people

the ones in it for the money, they'll say whatever they can to make money

and the kind of person who chooses to spread the lie, knowing it's a lie, is the kind of person i want nothing to do with

i bet we're going to have some kind of "great reset" in the future, where all data past a certain point gets thrown out, and only things that have been printed on paper are going to be trusted (if even that)

oh i'm not talking about some kind of "we all agree to do it"

i'm thinking it'll be some kind of environmental thing that forces it

either a solar flare or some kind of other "big thingy" that just breaks huge portions of the internet

what really sucks is that the only functional solution to a lot of global problems is going to have to be global governance

i might go to a pub and have a pint when it breaks

guinness is my usual one i celebrate with

lol

when it's an old tradition, measure it the old way

473ml

might as well call it half a liter

it just sounds wrong to me to measure drinks in mls 🤣

yea we don't really do it here unless it's coming from mexico

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmFnv-TZzRs

2000

stop making me feel old

Back to the Future p2 was set 10 years ago

🤣

The Running Man is set in the far off future of 2017

think the only communist product we ever got here was the Yugo

we kept sending the USSR food and steel because they couldn't do it themselves

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/1pe8gy1/amd_ceo_lisa_su_says_concerns_about_an_ai_bubble/

uh huh

i can't wait for it all to just burn in one day

can you imagine the thousands of secondhand 5090s

i'd still be on my 6800XT, it's still plenty fine

when did i get it

oct 2020

think i was on my 1660

🤣

i guess that's kinda the good thing about my system, i really only have to contact asus or corsair if something goes wrong

🤣

when i got my new vr headset, they gave me a $50 store gift card. think they mean for you to spend it on games, but i spent it on a monitor mount

last support i dealt with was the closest thing to "go fuck yourself" i've ever read

i think they're cheaper

anything faster than a spinning drive for games is all i need 🤣

what really sucks is when the awful corporate structure makes a good product

that you know of 😛

true

yup

telegram is one of those apps i just can't do

we tend to get all the garbage from it over here with the spam & unfiltered content

it's an awful lot of effort for very little result

more successes and more stupidity than we can predict

more fifa bullshit

same

meh

we're not important enough

yup

always

depends

they've been rounding up white people too, just not "their white people"

that's still weird to see 🤣

up until like 5 years ago here it was czech republic since 1991

now i'm wondering if pilsner beer is related to pilsen

[languid gulch]

adblock helps a lot

ok i have a really dumb question

is there a way to adapt NVMe backwards to sata

🤣

idk why but i keep wanting to populate my 2.5" drive slots with something other than a plain sata drive

[dire igloo]

Probably, yeah.
You just need to make sure that the drive has DRAM cache, otherwise your sustained write speeds will be crippled.
A lot of NVMe drives normally substitute the on-drive DRAM cache through HMB (host memory buffer, aka system RAM) but that tech only works over PCIe and not through SATA.

And you'll obviously be limited to SATA speeds with potential MB lane sharing

[languid gulch]

i like the idea of having a 2.5" form factor adapter with something like 4 NVMe drives on it, if it can be adapted to be accessible in some way

was just thinking of sata since that'd be a straightforward way of doing it

like a mini version of that monster that LTT showed off a few years ago with the 100TB SSD in the 3.5" form

was just looking up SSDs on pcpp and a 16tb 2.5" is $3000

[dire igloo]

That's cuz it's 16tb flash memory in a formfactor that's hardly in production still

All while there's a flash shortage going on

[languid gulch]

lol true

[dire igloo]

Look at 4tb nvme vs 8tb nvme

Or 4tb nvme vs 4tb sata

[languid gulch]

so what are the new form factors beyond nvme/2.5/3.5

[dire igloo]

4 nvme drives would either need a total of 16 lanes assigned or run at insanely low speed

[dire igloo]

Nvme is a protocol, not a formfactor

[languid gulch]

yea i was thinking more density than read/write

[dire igloo]

And you got the m.2 suite, standard PCIe and idk how u.2 is implemented

Which tbf is a mix of connector spec and formfactor

[languid gulch]

and then whatever code they feel like implementing

i guess i'm just a sucker for filling up all the drive cages in my system 🤣 i just want it to be useful in the future

[dire igloo]

tbf, standard protocol for anything that uses pcie is NVMe.
And for SATA connections, it's SATA - there's also an m.2 spec that's used for SATA

M key is most commonly used for NVMe
E key is most commonly used for wifi modules

Haven't seen A key being used yet

[twin dew]

NVMe is protocol for storage over PCIe.
There were some PCIe SSDs before NVMe that need device specific drivers to work.

M.2 is connector spec with lot of different variants.
For storage either PCIe or SATA.