#off-topic-tech

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dire igloo
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How did you use three wrong characters in a unit that only has three characters?

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kWh
not Kw/h

thin trout
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babe, new gabecube dropped

dire igloo
thin trout
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damn 😄

night girder
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I am rooting for Valve.

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But I wont buy it hehe But I hope they get much proffit.

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So we atleast have one place ... that's old school enough to game on.

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Now that every big gaming company has been bought up.

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Mangled together. Ripped apart. Sold. etc.

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Valve is the only old school publisher I can remember, that didn't change much.
The only stable company in my opinion? If you look at Blizzard, Epic, Activision, EA, Ubisoft ...

dire igloo
night girder
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What?

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TF2 is a free game. We got half life from them. Counter strike. All good games. Dota 2 ofc!

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They have a platform where indie developers can put their games on. Now they have their own hardware.

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Do they have pay extra mechanics yes? But so does almost every modern game now.

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Either in the form of a DLC. Or other stuff. So, in my eyes, Valve is a innocent toddler. And the moment Gabe dies or fully pulls his hands of the company. It's going to fall all apart.

main sluice
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A bit late to the party but a list I saw of every graphics card in the last 20 year I think it was. Found it interesting 🤔

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Yea I can't see the GT 710 on it either. Ok not every card but most

ivory rampart
jagged snow
night girder
ivory rampart
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handheld?
i thought it was about the st eam machine

main sluice
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It comes from pc games hardware

night girder
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oh wait. I might fucked it up.

jagged snow
night girder
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Ok.

jagged snow
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I've used it a little bit on a friend's deck and it was a great experience
Realistically though IMO you get the full steamos experience through steam big picture

night girder
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Guys, anyone willing to buy 2nd hand system? Has a nice 6950XT in it. Some nice CPU.
I just replaced the PSU. It works like a charm. Any buyers? I am swapping to steam machine. Fuck this shit 🤣

jagged snow
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🤣

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Hundred bucks + shipping 😄

night girder
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Buying that steam machine is pprobably cheaper than buying a new GPU hehe

jagged snow
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Ahh
Honestly I think most linux works just fine for "dummies" these days

main sluice
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I eyeing up the new Corsair air 5400. Don't need it but I want it so bad

ivory rampart
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sounds pretty good

jagged snow
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That would actually be reallly neat

night girder
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What the hell is a "Semi-Custom AMD RDNA3 28CUs 2.45GHz max sustained clock, 110W TDP"

jagged snow
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Basically a 7600

night girder
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I must say, a bit risk move from steam.

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I mean, they also entered handheld market way too late.

jagged snow
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What?

night girder
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So maybe they can wiggle themselves into this market too. But aren't there many other companies with same ideas. Or similar?
Maybe not gaming functionality. But chrome cast doesn't it stream either? Alienware prebuilts for gaming. Apple TV?

jagged snow
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I mean
Chromecast and other casting solutions work with very high latency

night girder
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Nvidia shield ... that's what I meant.

jagged snow
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Nope

night girder
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There are already products in the market.

jagged snow
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Shield was designed to stream from a pc

night girder
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Still... seems they going to compete. Not sure if it's going to pay off.

jagged snow
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They're obviously going to compete

night girder
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Like I said, most are impressed with how well the handheld is doing.

jagged snow
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But there's not really anything quite like it out there atm

night girder
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But they entered so late. You had x gameboys and other things by then. Wi Switch. Playstation had a handheld I think, forgot the name.

jagged snow
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I mean
Steam deck sold quite well

ivory rampart
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hmm sd card for storage does kind of stink.

i hope it has support for nvme ssds aswell

night girder
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Steamdeck is doing well afaik.

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In a saturated market nonetheless.

jagged snow
night girder
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I don't know.

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If I had a switch. Would I be tempted to also buy a steamdeck. Or if I had any other handheld.

jagged snow
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No, they're almost seperate markets

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That's why they only partially compete

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The steam deck competes with the legion go, rog ally, etc
And both of those were copycats of the steam deck

night girder
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I don't see how you think these markets are so seperate. A lot of people think like me. "I have a handheld, I don't need steamdeck".

jagged snow
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Entirely different game libraries for the most part

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And entirely different device class

night girder
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True. But then again, you can't play pokemon on it legally.

jagged snow
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If you want to play nintendo games, you buy a switch
If you want to play literally anything else, you buy a PC handheld

night girder
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So if I was pokemon fan, I would buy Nintendo handheld so I can play without a worry. But fuck Nintendo.

ivory rampart
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sounds like the SSD is user upgraddable

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jagged snow
night girder
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Yeah.

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But if I buy Nintendo handheld for pokemon games, I wont be buying steamdeck.

jagged snow
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The steam machine is more directly competing with xbox/playstation and the broader pc market

ivory rampart
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nintendo games cost too much

night girder
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So it is competing 🤣

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Like, steamdeck is competing with handheld brands. However you twist or turn it.

jagged snow
night girder
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You also MSI claw and shit.

jagged snow
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Yep
You said steam entered the market late but the claw was a copycat of the steamdeck

night girder
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True!

jagged snow
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The new steam headset did decide to go with inside-out tracking

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Interesting

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Doesn't really seem like they're trying to compete with the index

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Makes me wonder if an index 2 is coming in the future

dire igloo
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night girder
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Is that about the skins being removed or something?

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Devaluing a virtual market with gaming items?

dire igloo
night girder
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Because if it is, I've seen the video 😛

jagged snow
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I'm honestly not too sure
I know two people that bought quest headsets and one with psvr

dire igloo
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There are teenagers which reported becoming addicted to gambling because of Counter Strike

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Valve isn't doing much in terms of enforcing their monopoly.
Most "this is unfair business" lawsuits from competition have been slapped away with "it's not illegal and not immoral, you can do that yourself too"

night girder
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That's not cool. But relatively. Pff. Peanuts 🤣

dire igloo
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It just makes the "valve is pro consumer" talking points a lot weaker

jagged snow
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Valves effective monopoly is not illegal because they're not anticompetitive

They collaborate with platforms like GOG

And the ones that try to compete usually die because their product is inferior

night girder
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You got companies selling games, release some turd, cash in, pull down servers after a year and on they go.

dire igloo
dire igloo
night girder
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Blizzard killed OW1 with false promises of an improvement in OW2.

After years, non of the promises fulfilled because "technical not possible to make a singleplayer" and now OW2 is kinda OW1 ... again.

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It's literally the same game. With one difference I think, 6 players instead of 5.

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So for everyone pouring your money into OW1. It's gone.

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WoW, is addicting since it got released too. And gold sellers been in every MMO.

dire igloo
night girder
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The whole gaming industry is just ...sketchy.

dire igloo
night girder
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Or that. yeah I remember they did a change.

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I played OW2 for a bit. But NOTHING new. I just lost my skins that's all.

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And to be fair. Let's not forget about cyberpunk (so I don't keep bashing on Blizzard).

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or Fifa games. That are the same each year.

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But you have to buy the new one, if you want tog et the roster of that year.

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So 70 euro... every year... for a game that doesn't change (just look at YT videos of different games, it's not innovating really) to get a new roster.

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and Fifa has all these "cards" you can collect. Gold, silver, bronze players to make a fantasy team. Which has a whole gamling thing attached to it.

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I know, because my niece and nephew are hooked to the games. So I can buy them every year for christmas 😕

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Anyway, that's why I said, relatevily, Valve aint that bad. I see them do more good than bad.

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But nobody is perfect ofc.

dire igloo
night girder
dire igloo
night girder
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100%.

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I played it. And I loved it.

dire igloo
night girder
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That game, is a story of redemption. And paying back to community tenfolds.

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They made a misstep with NMS, but in my eyes, I totally forgive them for the game it is now.

night girder
dire igloo
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Lied how?

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Overhyped only because the release version was shit in terms of bugs and performance

night girder
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"a immersive AI system" - fucking enemies spawned randomly behind you in walls. Someone literally programmed; spawn enemy cops not in sight of player. ANd that was it.
So someome was in a room chased by cops and suddenly got kileld from behind in the wall. Cops just spawned in etc.

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They said you could costumize your car, like in need for speed. That got scraped. So many features they hyped. We never saw.

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Oh they also promised corrupt cops.

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Here is even a post of what they promised.

dire igloo
night girder
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Haha, yeah that city looks very natural with two monks just standing next to eachother. Handmade routine rofl.

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Sorry. I was the fool who bought the collector edition of cyberpunk. So that game still makes me a bit salty.

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I have good memories, but also a lot of dissapointment. It could have been so much more. CDPR isn't a bad company. They made ok witcher games. They should have had experience.

thin trout
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for the police/crime system

night girder
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Hahaha

thin trout
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i played that game on the ps2 decades ago

night girder
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So true 🤣 Like, CDPR, just look at GTA, and copy that. Just ... please for the love of god haha

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I played it top down I believe on PS1.

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And even that game had a better wanted system.

thin trout
night girder
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Haha, I was always prepared for the tank.

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I cannot wait for GTA 6. But I have fears. I read NFT implemented in the game.

thin trout
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Yeah but like

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if anyone had played gta for an hour and taken notes, they would have made a better game. But somehow nobody did that

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Like: spawning police within 2 meters of the player every time? Seriously? You could spin on the spot and every time your camera turned around a bit, more cops spawned right next to you despite having absolutely nowhere that they could have come from.

GTA3 spawned them several streets away, and the reason that it wasn't further was that they had 32MB of RAM for the entire game and a 294mhz crappy IPC CPU so they didn't simulate stuff more than a few hundred meters away.

verbal raft
jagged snow
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Miss that sometimes lol

verbal raft
jagged snow
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Oh it can absolutely be more civil
It's just nice because there's something to be excited about in the tech space right now

winged valley
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Google ads is FUCKED

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Warning: VERY VERY SUGGESTIVE ARRANGEMENT OF TREES

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This is a fresh session on a fresh macbook that I just reset after fixing

dire igloo
winged valley
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lmao

dire igloo
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Looks like everything is allowed if you just make it an ad

night girder
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I fucked up. I accidently ordered a 750W instead of the 850W I wanted.

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And now someone is telling me it's the 750W being not enough tripping my GPU.

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but if I remember correctly, 750W should be enough for 6950XT if not OC right?

jagged snow
night girder
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7800X3D

jagged snow
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Hmm
I do think that's pretty plausible, honestly

night girder
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No, me neither but they are 99% sure. And are annoyed that I don't believe them.

jagged snow
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Combined tdp of 470w, with transients would easily hit spikes of 650w

winged valley
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I highly doubt this is a targeted ad that's any more precise than my IP. That said, that ad would be more targeted to my dad than anything since he's buying car parts rn

glossy glacier
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Does the gpu have two or three 8pin plugs?

night girder
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I told them my system crashes at night, screen off, game put in background. With a CPU load of 5-10% and GPU almost doing nothing.

winged valley
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My point was more about how a fresh session can get nsfw

night girder
winged valley
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I use adblock so I wouldn't know if otherwise

thin trout
glossy glacier
thin trout
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you literally cannot pull 150w on that cpu without killing it instantly

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more than likely it's <=100w

night girder
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I still think it's better to send PSU back and ask for the 850W one.

thin trout
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probably

night girder
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Since I just bought new one today and accidently ordered the wrong one.

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Just incase that if it's GPU and I want 9070 XT*, 750W wont be too less? So better to have 850W for 9070 XT.

thin trout
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nop

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750-850 is more than fine for everything worth buying except 4090/5090

glossy glacier
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Running a 9800x3d and 9070xt on 750W. No problems

thin trout
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you won't be pulling that much, and it's also a continuous power rating (they have capacitors to handle transients above and beyond that, especially atx3.0 psu's)

night girder
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ANd it wont explasin craszxhes at night.

thin trout
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but 850 often has e.g. more cables.

night girder
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Like why would my system, suddenly at night, pull full power and trip PSU and crash.

glossy glacier
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Might be an issue at low power

verbal raft
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unless theres something else im not aware of
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night girder
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Ok, thanks all. My head is spinning atm and I don't know what is up and down.

night girder
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I also found out today, that my GPU is making a ticking sound.

verbal raft
night girder
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That ticking also starts happining in PSU. Kinda in sync.

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Now I removed the GPU, ticking sound is gone for now and system hasn't crashed yet.

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Yeah... 99% sure there is something funky between GPU and PSU.

mental oriole
thin trout
full jewel
night girder
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yup

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PSU had fan disable button

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and I checked fans under GPU they weren't spinning when I checked.

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I stop back fan and CPU fan also.

full jewel
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Does it sound like an Quiet Relai?

night girder
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and PSU outside case so I can put my ear to it.

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It sounds like ticking. Tick in a rythm.

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Some sort of capacitor or something.

night girder
full jewel
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Yes, but like an Relai when it Switches?
or more like an ESD

verbal raft
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real test will be how their RR compares to nvidia RR tho
but im hooked on hopium now : )

night girder
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YT has upped their anti AD block game. They fighting with my addblockers 😛

glossy glacier
night girder
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Yeah, it's replaced. Crashed 10 minutes later 🤣 (I did put some load on system to test, UE5 + a game I play seems to do the trick).

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I both have UE5 project open atm and the game, still has crashed. Game only runs at 5 FPS on lowest settings.

full jewel
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do you get black screens or driver resets

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Or full on Crash

night girder
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I do get black screens when my PC turns off hehe

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It goes like working -> restarting. Nothing in between, no screens, no warnings.

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I just get black screen, hear fans go WOOOOOOOOM, look to right (where my PC is) see bios light go on. See login screen and arrive at desktop.

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the fans always go VROOOOOOM on boot btw, so that's normal.

full jewel
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Yes But if it is not The Fan it could be some Arcing in the Coils

night girder
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Yeah, NO.

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There is no way in my case, that a GPU fan... makes my PSU also tick.

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Because the moment I removed my GPU, ticking STOPPED!

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The moment I put GPU in, both GPU AND PSU start to tick.

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So, there is no fan telepathy going on. I am prety sure about that.

full jewel
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yea but in the GPU and Maybe bcause the Power is not needed Anymore

night girder
full jewel
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if you Remove the Gpu the Power draw Drops and that ,oght yause the Psu To not Tick anymore

jagged snow
full jewel
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Thats what i Thought

thin trout
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I wouldn't say that. Idle GPU barely consumes power

night girder
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No not even that.

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In the beginning, the ticking was not pressent. Then a day later it would occur. Then a few days later loud untill it crashed.

thin trout
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sounds like the power circuitry on the graphics card has demons

night girder
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And I mean when I boot up my system, there is no ticking. It seemed to get worse over days.

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That's why I though something was degrading or getting more instable over time and then collapses.

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so unless my system has instead of a memory leak, a power leak where it gradually keeps asking more power 🤷‍♂️

night girder
full jewel
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yes could corelate With Broken Coils in the Gpu staring To Arc / Whine (Ticking) That Draw Massive Amounts of Power That Starts the Ticking (maybe the OCP) in the PSU

pure karma
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i have actually been having my first ever fan issues outside of unstable bearings

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the powersupply fan on my old 850W when under a certain amount of load the fan rapidly cycles between on and off constantly instead of staying on and it makes an absolutely dreadfull noise

pure karma
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i know you were looking into asrock instability at one point but thats about all i remember

night girder
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It's simple.

pure karma
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you have been having a issue similar to most of mine where there is no outright cause really im guessing?

night girder
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I want a system that doesn't restart* out the blue. So I can go on with my life and stop bothering yall with it.

pure karma
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restart properly or power loss kinda restart?

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or is it a crash because you have been saying its crashing recently

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probably wont be able to help much but do you have your HW and details of what youve done all in one place already so i dont have to ask for all of it individually lol

night girder
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Sorry, I explained my situation so many times to so many different people. I am a bit tired. And I don't want to waste anyones time on it anymore.

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You will say the same as everyone.

pure karma
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if its "Restarting" i wouldent be surprised by whoever it was (one of the fires) theory that its a power bar or power source cutting out ocasionally leading the the system lossing power and restarting (upon ac power loss) aka the bios setting

night girder
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"It's either your GPU, Mobo, CPU, RAM, PSU or your household. or software."

pure karma
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thats basically the story of all my tech problems aswell lol

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fair enough, if you dont want to go through it again then im not gona push you lol

night girder
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I just don't want to waste your time.

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And there is so much information to unpack to get full story. It's really hard to help.

pure karma
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i like wasting my time

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i mean if you want it easy (not remembering what you tested) a everything is wrong result is almost always a PSU defect or partial failure

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now be it the PSU itself or the power source is something for you to say

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and theres always a chance it isent ofc but id say fairly slim

night girder
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Now that I think about it. All we know for sure is, my system restarts. It started two years ago while gaming. Black screen, fans spin, bootlight, system boots. Then I replaced my CPU and it felt like an improvement but still crashed. Today I replaced my PSU and it still crashes.

  • It happens during gaming, or while I am using UE5.
  • It happens during the night, screen turned off, game put to taskbar (low power mode, barely consumes anything).
  • A few times I noticed that after I turn of my screen at night, a minute or two later it would crash.
  • Since I started coding in UE5 last week, I get crashes daily.
  • I ran MEMtest.
  • I ran prime, doing it again right now.
  • I updated bios.
  • I did DDU.
  • I did clean install.
  • Right now, I removed my GPU and see if system crashes. But as mentioned, by dredgen, this lowers power consumption.
    So to add back to power consumption, running prime95.
  • In eventviewer I get kernel 41 without anything else.

Hardware:

  • 7800X3D
  • 6950 XT
  • seasonic PSU Focus GX 750W.
pure karma
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if the system gets into os try OCCT combined atleast once perhapse

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its been the thing to give me a trace on most my hardware level problems

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not to mention confirmation on the 1660S and more

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and dont write it off right away because driver DO hide errors Until they cant anymore

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for example for the 1660S the biggest fight was getting the GPU driver to stop hiding the errors and it would almost always take around 7 minutes straight of catastrophic errors before it let them through

full jewel
night girder
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O_O

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you serious

pure karma
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or really -1 honestly

night girder
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I know about this since the start. I know it's kernel. It's shutting off when it shouldn't.

jagged snow
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Yea

full jewel
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Ah okay Missed That Information

night girder
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I was even hoping for WHEA errors

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But nothing so far. Anything tangible or new would help lol.

pure karma
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i had some unexplained WHEA errors when using the 1660S but very few like 1 every 5 minutes when they were happening and very speratically but i nerver really nailed a cause

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so i dont see them as much of a hint to anything

night girder
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Ok fair.

verbal raft
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peak

pure karma
night girder
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Also, somebody recommended me HWINFO logging enabled, which I also did at the start.
And this I got from Baldur. You all know this. If it's a power issue, the chances of PSU shutting off quicker than information being able to written to SSD for logging purposes are WAY higher. So I cant use HWInfo either. I enabled 24/7 logging. Waited for a crash adn went over the data and didn;'t find anything.

pure karma
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alternatively it would be removing all hardware one by one until something new happens but like thats not cost effective or fun

night girder
pure karma
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you dont say lol

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mine dosent

night girder
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Oh, OCCT is a tool. Cool stuff.

pure karma
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i can unplug my PSU and it will keep running until the caps get low

night girder
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Can you give me a TLDR website of OCCT ?

pure karma
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the official one?

mental oriole
pure karma
night girder
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Is it a GPU/CPU/MEM test combined with automatically logging so if it crashes, I have logs?

night girder
pure karma
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mostly the real time logging thats usefull

night girder
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Thanks Magic.

pure karma
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it has everything

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let me fire it up rq

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under stability test you have dang near every combination of thing you could need

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night girder
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Sorry, PC is a bit laggy with prime running 🤣 and not having a GPU. Poor CPU.

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And how did it help you narrowing down the issues you had with your hardware?

pure karma
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by telling me very clearly that shit is fucked in the real time log

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and without hesitation

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usually if occt dosent find something its drivers or might just not be a major component

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like how my controler for the back io and onboard ethernet and stuff is fried

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but obviously that wont be tested in a test like this

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true lol

night girder
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Mhm. Why didn't I underclock my GPU 🤔

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Because I just remember talking to baldur a few weeks ago that we noticed that my GPU is clocked higher than recommended specs.
And it's somehow adrenalin doing this on default after a DDU.

pure karma
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i remember that actually

night girder
pure karma
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but what i dont get is if that was causing the shutdown then it wouldent be instant

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the system would keep running without the GPU working unless something else died usually

night girder
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But can't the clockspeed result in the GPU drawing in the too much power of motherboard and trip PSU in rare occasions?

pure karma
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not from the motherboard no? unless it has no external power???

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the too much power bit might be true if your PSU is very underspeced but i mean an extra 200MHZ for example should only really be a few dozen wats

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were not talking like + 100W were talking + 30W unless its a really inefficient card

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but yea underclocking that back down to spec would be a good move to isolate more of the MANY factors that could be at play

night girder
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Ok, I am thinking of leaving prime on over night. See what happens. If system crashes it changes everything, we know it's not GPU. If not, we don't know much more than the chances of it being GPU increasing.

Then tomorrow contact retailer and ask if I can send 750W back for 850W. To exclude that. Someone keeps telling me it's PSU being too low.
And I have a return right in the EU I might be able to use. I hope. So it should not cost me much. And I don't have high hopes it will fix. But that's one cause out of the way.

Maybe go to local shop and ask if they can stress test my GPU, if they can get a system reboot, we got the culprit.

Other than that I could slap in GPU back and underclock + maybe run some OCCT over it.

pure karma
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if you do underclock try atleast a like hour run without it incase it improves the stability or something

night girder
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Well, I am in a discussion with someone who wants to help me.

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But they are pretty sure it's the PSU too low, because the official website of my GPU says it needs 850W minimum.

pure karma
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i guess the right word is a GOOD 750W should handle overload

night girder
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I have a good 750W this time I used a list from David.

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I mean I really did my best.

pure karma
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but with supossedly an OC and a underspecced PSU is were problems are inevitable i bet

night girder
pure karma
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yep im rocking seasonic now

night girder
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lol, the one i just replaced was seasonic.

pure karma
#

expensive but works and the included cables are basically as good as custom ones so if you dont care about color you don't need custom cables

pure karma
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then i doubt it is the PSU unless its just really bad luck

night girder
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Yeah. People say A. And people say B. And both make a lot of sense. So I had to make choices 🤷‍♂️

There were people who said they doubted it was seasonic PSU.
And some pointed to GPU.

But in my defense, it was a cheaper gamble to replace PSU than GPU.

pure karma
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andi f that new be quiet one is still oding it then ofc its unlikely to be the PSU

pure karma
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easier to blow 200$ on a psu then 1000$ on a gpu

night girder
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I knew it was a gamble. Still kinda dissapointed. A little bit.

pure karma
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i dont blame you, guessing something wrong always sucks

night girder
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It's getting to the point, I don't even believe I will get it stable 😛

pure karma
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but atleast its not unusable

night girder
#

your OC system?

pure karma
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the CPu OC one?

night girder
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Did you OC the system you have issues with?

pure karma
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no that one was fully stable from the get go even with the OC still no issues, just that psu fan.

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i mean my 13700K system

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my main system just has always had some kind of lurking issue

night girder
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It drives me crazy. How can you live like that? 🤣

pure karma
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from intel degradation to AV1 encoding crashes to now the nvidia driver corupting while in use and causing the system to blackout and nerver recover until you manually hold the power button down

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that last one i still havent escaped

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but the first 2 arent much of a concern or problem anymore atleast

pure karma
#

theres a reasson why NZXT, WD, Johnsbo and intel are the only companies i rarely shit on

night girder
pure karma
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all the other ones have

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other than asus with my monitors i suppose but they dont deserve shit until they start caring about customer support

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did you get it on amazon or something?

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cause yea forget returning anything on amazon since the SELLER has to aprove the return

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thats why i got stuck with that scam LGA1200 board that wasent new at all

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i mean if you got it local id say the refusing of the return is on the store and less WD

night girder
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oh nice, I can bring it back to the shop tomorrow and maybe buy a new one.

pure karma
#

i dont hate seagate but i dont particularly love them either

night girder
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Then I get a refund from the other one and all should be good 👍
Then I have the correct PSU.

pure karma
#

they havent screwed me over but there big drives dont have T.R.I.M so there slow as balls and suck for regular use

night girder
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And then I will probably need to buy new GPU.

pure karma
#

my 8TB drive is from seagate and yea the lack of T.R.I.M is painfull since i dont use the drive as a sit and forget

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i pretty regualr record to and play video from it

night girder
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The silverlining is, this is good practice. Taking PSU out and in and out and in. Doing cables a little bit lol.

#

And I am building up spare parts 🤣

pure karma
night girder
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I got spare CPU. PSU. 🤣

pure karma
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i nerver really understood the hate towards samsung drives outside of aparently there short lifespan

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which was suposedly fixed a while ago now

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i feel old seeing my main system already at 8000 run hours

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felt like just yesterday that i built it

night girder
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Yeah, maybe I can slap together another PC for my nephew 😛

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just need ram, motherboard, case, gpu.

pure karma
#

all the expensive stuff hehe

pure karma
night girder
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Mainly GPU being expensive 😛

pure karma
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ram now too

night girder
#

oh right haha 🤣

pure karma
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and motherboard if there discontinued lol

night girder
#

reality still has to set in.

pure karma
#

yea it sucks too

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i wanted to upgrade to 64GB

night girder
#

PC building is going to be for the elite and we all going to buy those steam boxes and stuff

pure karma
#

it really does feel like were heading that way

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what the actual HELL MAN

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were literally back to 2016 ram pricing ffs

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where 32GB was like 250$

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i liked covid since it was free burnout recovery

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which is my way of saying we need covid back lol

pure karma
#

thats not a default feature?

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yea i dont have that

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yep

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i bet i have it on my laptop since for some reasson it gets updates early for most things

queen gull
#

wat

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wtf

languid gulch
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let's see how dumb my ram is rn

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$550USD

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when i got this it was quite premium and fancy at $265

languid gulch
#

ok got an interesting one

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occasionally when i bring up a game from being minimized, there'll be a full screen green flash for like one frame, then everything's normal

visual tree
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Netflix is raising prices again and now it's officially more expensive than IPTV...

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By IPTV, I mean live streams offered by ISP

mental oriole
#

What?

night girder
mental oriole
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Thats so dumb...

visual tree
night girder
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I already got a mail about it.

visual tree
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IPTV service from an ISP here is €14 per month and Netflix is now going to be more expensive than that....

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Correction: IPTV service already includes Netflix it seems

night girder
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The main reason is, I don't think netflix puts much good out lately that I enjoy viewing.

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Either I have changed. Or they have changed. But when they started, they had so many good and refreshing stuff.
Rick and Morty as an example.

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So it feels like the quality is going 📉 while the price is going 📈 .

visual tree
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True. Also, I hate their new interface. Old one was more intuitive

thin trout
visual tree
wanton orchid
wanton orchid
void pine
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Also they don’t allow hardware decryption

dire igloo
dire igloo
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Jellyfin is growing immensely in popularity

visual tree
dire igloo
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I believe they aren't, hence the enshittification

dire igloo
night girder
#

But something feels off on Netflix more mainstream. It felt like quirky stuff and creative ideas got priority in early days of netflix.

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I think they got complecant and innovation went on the backburner. Not sure.

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I went to my local computer repair shop. And they told me they don't have a motherboard to test my GPU on. hehe

#

Exactly. But also a bit sus, because they only sell Nvidia and intel stuff.

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I know they don't like AMD there for some reason 🤷‍♂️

visual tree
dire igloo
night girder
#

2019!

dire igloo
#

There's still innovation, but it's mostly the indie sector.
Some studio has a cool idea and someone with money goes "we give you money to realize that vision, you give us exclusive rights for promotion"

night girder
#

I watched documentary how Hollywood is in financial trouble.

visual tree
dire igloo
dire igloo
night girder
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True, indie studios give me hope. It's just that the money is at the big studios, wasting it away, and studios with less budget, make better games. With less budget. It's not easy.
It should be the other way around. Somehow inject money into indie companies more to promote it and compete with the triple A companies?

visual tree
night girder
#

You have basegamen fallout 4, 19.99.
THen you got this week special anniversy. ADDDON! 39.99 euro!!! ANNNNND it's broken as hell.

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So you got to pay 60 euro to get full anniversary for 10 year old game, with content totally breaking the game.

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And there is like tons of videos about it, because every content creator fell for it and are dissapointed hehe

#

Yann LeCun, head scientist of Meta AI department is leaving and starting his own company.
Reason, his vision doesn't align with Mark Zuckerberg.

More interesting is that he said that language models will never be able to reason and plan like humans.
So that makes me assume, that Mark keeps hammering pushing language model while he was suggesting also looking into new models.

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@pure karma downloaded OCCT running it now.

queen gull
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did I get shadow pinged again lol

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second time in 24 hours

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dire igloo
queen gull
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thank

night girder
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Sorry Magi. But MagicZ is popular.

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And it was discord fault for not selecting correct person.

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Fallout 4?

queen gull
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he edited the message after it pinged me

night girder
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Why wont it crash.

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Maybe not enough power draw to trip it.

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rustic panther
pure karma
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If its the PSU being overloaded then only having gpu load wont trip it

night girder
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I could set it too maximum. But eh ... not sure if I like that.

pure karma
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And set all the loads to static

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So they don’t fluctuate

night girder
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👍

pure karma
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like 100%?

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Do it, it might lag the monitoring a bit but it shouldn’t crash

night girder
# rustic panther Why do you want to crash your pc?

So I can find a reproducable way of making my system fail. So it's easier to figure out what component.
Then I can bring it to shop, tell them run this test and replace components untill you find culprit.
Now I don't have a very reliable way of getting it to crash. It happens when I open UE5 and a game. After a few hours. Not a real good testing method if you ask me 😛

pure karma
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Only freeze for a few seconds at worst while it bullies windows into giving it more ram to work with

rustic panther
night girder
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But I really want consistent way of testing the system for stability. And that's why I am using OCCT.

night girder
rustic panther
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does it just turn off randomly or does it bluescreen like a good computer

night girder
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it's a bad computer

rustic panther
#

No bugchecks in the logs either?

night girder
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nop

rustic panther
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Have you ran memtests yet?

night girder
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Running combined CPU + GPU now MagicZ.

rustic panther
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Because it sounds to me like some slightly wonky RAM

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It's also the cheapest and easiest to fix

night girder
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Nah. Doubt it's ram. It should result in bluescreen. So many people told me that. And I did check it with memtest64.

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If I can get it to crash. I will pull out ramstick and test again. Then put in the other to check that one.

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But I need to figure a quick way to make it crash first 😛

rustic panther
night girder
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No.

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What is interesting is that OCCT uses UE5 it seems.

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but so far no luck with OCCT. Doing combined test CPU + RAM + VRAM + 3D.

rustic panther
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Hm. Then I'd be looking very sussy at my PSU

night girder
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Replaced PSU yesterday and crashed.

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Took out GPU didn't crash yesterday. But hard to know since load on system changes drastically when removing GPU.

rustic panther
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Reinstalled your OS?

night girder
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Yeah, long ago. And DDU.

rustic panther
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With that you mean "After the problems started", right?

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What CPU/GPU do you have and what's the wattage of the PSU?

night girder
rustic panther
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Hm

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I'm clean out of obvious ideas then

night girder
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Drawing full power on PSU right now.

rustic panther
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Speaking of, the Steam Frame announcement got me leering at GPUs again, and both the 5070ti and 5080 are a good bit below MSRP

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I can handle both financially, but I'm still in dubio cuz it's a lot of fucking money

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Before someone suggests it, AMD is right out because some of my hardware doesn't support AMD GPUs :V

night girder
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oh, I might have a spare 6950 XT for you in the future hehe

rustic panther
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Are you also going to front the cash for a new VR headset? If so, I'm in :)

night girder
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No. I don't have money.

rustic panther
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Alas

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It would actually be an upgrade over the 3080 I have rn

night girder
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well black friday is around the corner I guess

rustic panther
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But unfortunately I can't use AMD until they fix their drivers because this fool bought into WMR thinking that MS would never be so stupid as to put those APIs deep into Windows so they'd be a drag on development and would be removed once WMR turned out to be a commercial failure (they did, they were and they did)

night girder
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I spend a good two hours stress testing this system. NOTHING. No crash, no error. Full load on all components.

I open UE5 and I open my game. Log into the game. Press overlay to see FPS AND BAM CRASH.

Why wont it crash with load testing but under specific random conditions tired_jace So frustrating.

rustic panther
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Well, if you're going to get a replacement GPU I'd do it sometime soon, because I'm hearing on the grapevine that the AI DRAM price surge will end up in GPUs in a bit

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once stock sells out

night girder
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Ok new plan, opening up UE5 and then stress test.

verbal raft
rustic panther
verbal raft
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oh

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yeah i see

rustic panther
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Also I'm one of those people that always had weird trouble with AMD GPUs and I kind of like the featureset nvidia has, but those are not blockers :V

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But yeah the 3rd party drives for WMR are AFAIK not stable on AMD yet, and I don't want that thing to become a paperweight yet again

verbal raft
rustic panther
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Windows Mixed Reality, a now-dead set of APIs for VR

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Including the HP Reverb G2, which was a very good VR headset for the price if you don't want to sell your soul and personal information to the Zucc

dire igloo
night girder
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Fixed. But what does it matter.

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I replaced it with a another PSU and it still crashed so only wattage matters. Not brand nor model.

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Two solid brand PSU and system crashes.

dire igloo
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Brand doesn't matter either way

rustic panther
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It's the model that matters yeah, every manufacturer releases a stinker now and then

dire igloo
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But yeah, the testing ruled out the PSU as a source

rustic panther
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I checked and that particular PSU doesn't look like one of the stinkers

dire igloo
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Assuming no chain-damage effects (bad PSU breaks good GPU, broken GPU breaks good PSU, repeat cycle)

dire igloo
rustic panther
dire igloo
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I don't know if it can, but I also don't know if it can't

rustic panther
#

Also, I have a 650w PSU that can run a 5800x3d and 3080 fine. On a scale of 1 to Magic, how silly would I be to just replace the 3080 with a 5080 on that PSU?

dire igloo
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We don't know whether it's impossible, so we can assume it's possible

dire igloo
rustic panther
#

Well I can see it happening, but usually you hear the PSU bringing down other parts with it

rustic panther
dire igloo
#

Could also be that a bad GPU damages the CPU which damages the RAM which was ruled out much earlier by swapping RAM

rustic panther
#

IIRC it's a gray label

dire igloo
rustic panther
#

As the internet taught me :V

dire igloo
rustic panther
#

IIRC there was a series before that

dire igloo
#

(4090 HOF has two 12vhpwr connectors and comes with two adapters to quadruple 8-pin)

rustic panther
#

Is there even a PSU that has that many 8pin outs

dire igloo
rustic panther
#

yeah I'm looking through old receipts

rustic panther
#

Actually, let's say I wanted to get an 850w PSU, what models would be good? I've got absolutely no clue about what are good PSUs these days but I would like it to not break the bank too much, be gold-rated or better and be fully modular

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And of course not be an IED at my feet :)

dire igloo
rustic panther
#

Netherlands

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Doesn't have to be least expensive, just not most expensive :V

dire igloo
#

Voedingen smh

dire igloo
rustic panther
#

I mean, yeah

dire igloo
#

Also, yeah, I recommend you don't try 5080 on rm550

rustic panther
#

Don't worry, that thing blew 5 years ago

dire igloo
#

Prijs oplopend LMAO

night girder
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Haha, I just went to Breda to return my PSU 🤣

rustic panther
dire igloo
#

Stfu bot

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100€, Asus Strix 850W Gold

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Oh fuck off tweakers, that's a returned product

rustic panther
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I was about to say

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(Oh also filter out amazon and bol.com plaza if you're running into tweakers being a bit poop)

dire igloo
#

Changed filters, missed this one.
Better quality, lower price

rustic panther
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I'm looking at a tier list

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the green in a sea of red :V

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if only jonnyguru was still around, that was a damn good PSU review site

dire igloo
dire igloo
rustic panther
dire igloo
#

I don't like it but I'm not knowledgeable enough to go without a tier list and it's the only one being actively maintained

night girder
#

There is more effort put into that sheet than most YT videos about PSU's.
I find it a handy tool. Did help me.

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@pure karma I must say OCCT has interesting tools. So far it didn't help me, but it has cool stuff.

pure karma
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its literally the only tool i use at this point

night girder
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Like this

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pure karma
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it does basically everything

night girder
#

It switches 25% to 100% in 500ms to test transistors.

pure karma
#

it does monitoring, identifying, stress testing all in one

night girder
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Yeah, only a bit confused how the combined test works. Because it can't be executing all tests at once.

pure karma
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it removes the need for hwmonitor and info, crystaldiskinfo, memtest you name it

night girder
#

So it must be constantly siwtching between tests. But need to read on that.

pure karma
#

so for a regular system its great

pure karma
night girder
#

Then why can we set priority 😉

pure karma
#

might not be an order if there all at once

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i know some stuff crosses paths

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like if your hitting vram at 100% your gonna be hitting 3D hard aswell

#

by association

dire igloo
night girder
#

not sure about that Magic. I just read this (not sure if it's true).

It would be recommended to run the following GPU tests in the combined section as you most likely will be testing all 3 tests anyways. Simply select the Combined tab and select 3D Standard, 3D Adaptive and VRAM in the checkboxes. Change the details to whats mentioned below in the respective fields.

night girder
pure karma
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i do 3D standard, static, 100% and extreme mode if it dosent just die

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if im only testing GPU

night girder
#

But the moment I open the game + UE5 = crash.

pure karma
#

sometimes occt crashes on the extreme modes

night girder
#

Oh, OCCT itself 🤣

pure karma
#

yea

pure karma
#

because mine randomly crashes because of the GPU driver

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but im on nvidia drivers so its more of a blind guess but it could be a similar issue

night girder
#

I can't boot game without driver.

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And at this point game + UE5 is the combination. And both don't boot with driver.

#

I am repeating myself; but I actually have TWO problems.

  1. My system randomly reboots.
  2. I cannot figure out how to consistent provoke this reboot.
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If I can solve 2, it would make troubleshooting 1 easier.

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And no it's not the game or UE5. But for some mystery reason that magic combination pretty consistently make it crash. After a few minutes.

pure karma
#

solving 2 is almost nerver possible unfortunately

#

honestly i dont even know what i could tell you to monitor that might be strained under that

night girder
#

To put it into math.

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? + ? = ? = ... ? = reboot. 🤣

pure karma
#

id assume its not kinked power cables sicne you changed the psu a few times now

#

so its not choked power

night girder
#

And what I really don't get is, that the game isn't putting much load on any parts of my system.

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So full load (I did most OCCT tests) = system ✅

#

game (little load) + UE5 = system ❌

pure karma
#

🤯 '

#

voltages

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its voltage somewhere probably

night girder
#

Yeah, a specifc frequency combination or voltage that causes GPU/Mobo to trip.

pure karma
#

voltage is probably too low to be stable at low temps

night girder
#

I opened game + ue5 yesterday without GPU and system didn't crash BUT. I had to turn down ALL graphics to lowest to get 10 FPS.
So it's not the same load on the system with GPU and without GPU. So it didn't tell me much.

pure karma
#

but on WHAT

#

its still not exactly usefull

pure karma
#

if you leave in the GPU but keep the potato graphics settings does it crash?

night girder
#

Yeah, if I can remove GPU and keep games running at 120FPS + UE5 on max settings, that would be a more comparable situation.

#

But the iGPU taps out pretty quick 🤣

dire igloo
# night girder And a bit of trust. Not really an issue, but you kinda have to trust the people ...

Assuming you're not knowledgeable enough to verify yourself, yeah.
But their methodology is defined clearly enough for the list to be third party verifiable (in theory)

In practice, anyone who's knowledgeable enough for fact checking is knowledgeable enough to not use it
Edit: I meant "knowledgeable enough to not use it" in the sense of "doesn't need the list", not "knows better than to trust the list"

night girder
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That's why I didn't want to believe it was GPU.

pure karma
#

i dont know how to help you lol

night girder
#

Nobody does 😄

pure karma
#

i really want to because dam would it be rewarding to fix this issue but holy crap does it have a lot of variables

night girder
#

I am curious, if I gave my system to a bunch of AMD engineers or something how long it would take them to figure it out.

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They have ofcourse parts to just swap out. But the rule is; no part swapping 🤣

night girder
#

But at the same time, I don't just shit money to throw parts at it until it's stable. So trying to make calculated decisions.

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The system started as a budget friendly build 2 years ago. Would be stupid to double it's price to get it stable.

jagged snow
#

Letterdief, I do think this is definitely a solvable problem
It's really difficult to troubleshoot remotely though
If I had it in my lab with monitoring equipment I could probably figure out what's actually triggering those shutdowns

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And btw, pushing a game to the taskbar doesn't stop it from using gpu

pure karma
night girder
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@jagged snow I ofc, checked under taskbar to see the behavior.

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And you are right, but the usage is very low. I can show you if you want.

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It might crash. Brb hehe

jagged snow
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Can you go into windows settings and change what gpu that application is assigned to?

pure karma
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i sure someone with better tools and experience could crack it but with regular experience and average tools i think this problem probably wont get much further

night girder
pure karma
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i find it a bit ironic tho that we bought our computers a few months from eachother and both have unexplained stability issues of varying extremes

jagged snow
night girder
#

I think I already did that a few days ago. And it crashed.

pure karma
#

despite havign diffrent platforms with diffrent gpus and diffrent everything

jagged snow
night girder
#

But I am not 100% sure. Let me check one by one.

jagged snow
#

👍 Thank you

pure karma
#

is there maybe something using some wack encoding technology?

#

if your iGPU dosent support something but your GPU does your gambling on crashes by default

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since software by default will split the load across the 2

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thats why my obs was imploding when recording in AV1 with my iGPU still enabled

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and crashing the nvidia driver as a result

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causing the system to blackout and have to be turned off physically with the power button

night girder
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First one is game is open. Second one is game is to taskbar.

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So you are correct. Still using GPU, but not as intensive.

jagged snow
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And sorry if I'm a little slow at work by the way, I'm debugging a new PCB layout that has some partial voltage bleed through an IC somewhere

bronze jasper
#

hunting down the reasons for stability issues is such a puzzle sometimes. last month i had a few power outages in a week. bad weather took down lines a 3 different times. after that week, my PC kept crashing randomly. Idle or playing a game, it would just decide to reboot and post without windows shutting down properly.

So i unplugged everything for 10min, including the power bar. After that i haven't had crashes. sometimes you just gotta let all the power drain out of capacitors or whatever.

jagged snow
bronze jasper
#

i'm no electrician but it seems to me that sometimes powered components get some mucky power in them and you just gotta drain it out

night girder
#

You want me to set iGPU on windows level right?

jagged snow
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Yep

night girder
#

GPU 1 is main. You can see it recognizing the 6950XT

night girder
# jagged snow Yep

Because I remember, I put game to use iGPU at a certain point hehe But will do it on windows level.

pure karma
#

if you havent tried... turn off the iGPU (in bios) and try seeing if it crashes

night girder
#

wait whaaat? why would I do that? I ran it on iGPU yesterday without an issue.

pure karma
#

cause there running in "SLI" kinda

night girder
#

I mean. I put it on the list 🤣

pure karma
#

by default load will be split across them if possible

jagged snow
night girder
#

Yeah you right. Not bad suggestion.

jagged snow
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That's also not true
Not a bad suggestion

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But also not great resoning hehe

bronze jasper
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another problem i have is that my computer will just halt but whatever was playing audio will keep playing through the headphones. This crash will keep happening at least once a day until i reboot without the wireless headphone dongle, and then plug it back in once i'm back at the desktop.

pure karma
jagged snow
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Yeah that's very different than rendering

pure karma
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if UE is using encoding for some wack reasson it could cause it

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could also be some on by default clipping feature causing encoding crashes

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theres SO MANY diffrent possibilities for issues that its literally nerver ending

night girder
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btw, I did say it happens everywhere.

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2 years ago, I booted up the system, pressed a download button in steam* and it happened 🤣

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the UE5 and Game is just atm, the most consistent way I foudn to make it crash.

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But I am 99.99% sure both having nothing to do with the actual crash. It can happen in any game, from Minecraft, To Hogwarts Legacy, GW2. The game I am playing is costum engine.

jagged snow
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Letterdief
What are the hardware constants in the system?
You've replaced PSU, CPU, GPU?

pure karma
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we isolated ram right? and PSU

night girder
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PSU/CPU has been replaced so far.

pure karma
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and CPU replacement?

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what about ram? I know you ran memtest but idk

night girder
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It's on the list. Was thinking of pulling out a stick.

pure karma
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my ram is on the edge and memtest doesn’t detect jack crap so not much to test ram available

night girder
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And see if I can provoke reboot*. If yes, try the other stick to see if any of the two is faulty.

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Sorry I keep saying crash, which is wrong.

pure karma
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well i have to go so good luck i guess

jagged snow
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Have you tried to eliminate variables on the software side?
If you can, make a fresh bootable windows install on a different drive(even a usb would probably be fine) and boot from that and run whatever loads you can to try to provoke the crash.

night girder
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Right now I am testing iGPU + game.

jagged snow
bronze jasper
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i would call an unexpected reboot a crash. there are many kinds of crashes

night girder
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How is my iGPU suppose to handle same load as my dedicated GPU?

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I cannot open game with master graphics (like I do on my dedicated) on a iGPU, it gives me 0.000001FPS or something.

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I mean I can, but then everything just freezes 🤣

night girder
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A crash is not the same as a hard reset or a reboot. I mean I heard so many things by now lol.

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Fight, want to hear something funny?

jagged snow
night girder
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I went to local PC repair shop. They said they don't have motherboard to test my GPU on hehe

jagged snow
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What?

night girder
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Yeah. They heard asked what GPU I had, I said 6950XT, they said "Ah, we don't have any motherboards to test it on".

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Stupid local shops lol 😄 How can you not have spare boards if you try to fix computers. Anyway.

visual tree
night girder
jagged snow
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If you run the game on settings that work with the iGPU using the dgpu, can you provoke a crash?

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Combined with having UE open

night girder
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I am trying, game is running.

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this is the reason I wanted OCCT to crash my system 🤣 Life would have been easier.

jagged snow
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Yep lol

night girder
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My missery makes you happy? Ok.

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I think something got lost in translation, I think you meant to say something else 🤣

jagged snow
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He was saying he's glad his issue was not the same as yours hehe

night girder
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Let's see if this works.

jagged snow
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Is that the clicking sound you've been talking about?

night girder
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Do you hear it?

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That's my GPU.

jagged snow
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Yep

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That sounds like coil whine under a very bursty load

night girder
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You can actually hear two rythmes lol.

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And that's when I put something into the background.

jagged snow
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Oh my goodness

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Y'all will never guess what I just found at auction

night girder
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You can hear one go

tick 1 2 3 tick 1 2 3 tick 1 2 3
tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick

night girder
jagged snow
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Nope

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I found a fully functional apple IIe with a full rack of floppies

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And they all supposedly still have software on them

night girder
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Damn lucky you 😄

jagged snow
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It's at 150USD atm
Looks like two other people noticed it as well

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Not sure I can drop that much on a vintage PC

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I've been very interested in doing some vintage software projects

night girder
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Like what?

jagged snow
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I work with embedded systems and such for work but my job also gives me a lot of free reign to do stuff outside of work that ties into it
My current bucket list has been to find an old terminal or home PC, connect it to an RPI via a serial interface and have the RPI translate network packets to serial so I can build a cool retro interface for one of my work projects that runs natively on an older device

night girder
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Niiice. So the game in background is fully going onto GPU0 (iGPU). The little loads you see on GPU1 (RX 6950 XT) is me opening and taking screenshots.

jagged snow
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Nice
Let me know if you can get that to crash while using UE and game

night girder
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I think it will crash, because UE5 going through dedicated, but it will just take a day or little longer.

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I can't set everything to use iGPU on windows, I need to do it one by one.

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Anyway, I have to go outside. Pff. I am not in the mood at all to socialize. Or be among humans 🤣

twin dew
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And UE5 doesn't care what is set in Windows, need to use launch argument to force from autodetection of best.

night girder
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I can';t put it on iGPU, UE5 just says no.

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Oh wait my bad I can. I can't use UE5 without drivers. Because I wanted to test that out but UE5 said no, I need driver. Which makes sense.

bronze jasper
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have you ruled out audio ? like, playing without any audio devices

night girder
night girder
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but honestly, at this point, nothing would surprise me.

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If someone told me the angle of the moon is responsible, I would not be surprised anymore 🤣

bronze jasper
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my kraken headset does. once i had to update the wireless dongle firmware to stop the crashes. then sometimes i have to reboot without the dongle plugged in then plug it in.

night girder
bronze jasper
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well, crashes and reboots like i said, a lot of overlap. Anytime my pc system halts it'll reboot automatically. I think that'll depend on what bios software you have.

But yeah, i'll get a full crash and sometimes the audio keeps playing while the system is unresponsive and then it reboots a few seconds later. that is what initially got me thinking the audio is sus

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i'lll go for months with no crashes then it'l jst begin again. so i reboot without the dongle plugged in and then it's gone

night girder
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I think to technical people its different. Reboot (hard crash?) is literally system cuts out the power and PC starts.
Crash can mean there wasn't a power interrupt. But just something going wrong, can have screens etc.

The symptoms I am having mostly point to hardware protection kicking in somewhere or instability. The end result is system shutting off power briefly and booting.

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But I mix the two words up constantly too so 😅

night girder
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Today someone on a podcast said that China built solar panels in one year that generate as much power as one of our nuclear plants. That was the argument why we, as a country, shouldn't go for nuclear anymore.

But they didn't take into account that our country is: 30.689 km²
vs
9.597 million km²

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meanwhile china is building a fusion plant too.

pure karma
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mine dosent restart when something goes wrong just everything optional blacks out (gpu out, lights, rgb, usb power even sometimes temporairly)

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i have to go and hold the power button down and kill it myself

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thats why im confused that yours restarts

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cause the only feature i know that can startup a system without user input is "wake on ac reccovery"

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aka power goes out and pc turns on as soon as power is back on its own

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and usually it will post and sit on whatever login screen you have and if it fails to boot it will just turn off normally

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thats why i was thinking it was whatever power source you have it plugged into at first

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usually reinstalling windows only helps temporairly until whatever was borked makes its way back since the os is still operating under the same conditions that borked it originally

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all this talk made me think of what problem iv run into that i hate the most

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and i think BY FAR it is lying framerates

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when your framerate is idk 60FPS but only like 15FPS of that is being outputed to the monitor

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it is the worst because there is literally no fix

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my side monitors do it all the time whenever my GPU is overloaded and it sucks

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and then to piss me off even more, if its not my monitors doing it its firefox throttling playback on videos so hard that it literally breaks and i have to refresh whatever video im watching every 15 seconds

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i think i could probably rant about multi monitor issues for an entire day straight

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my monitors are dp and they keep existing even if i turn them off

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when you turn off most monitors it only turns off the display most the time not the actual inputs

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i have no word how to describe arc rn honestly

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the B580 feels like intels 1080TI

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no stability issues, smooth performance, bangs if you pair it with FSR and AMD's frame gen

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xess is good if its supported since it gives better quality but lesss performance so its nice for casual games

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or atleast it has less comphresion artifact looking smears all over it anyway

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my literal only complaint about my B580 is the lack of intels own frame gen that way it can get out of that 40FPS range at average settings into 60FPS+ range without needing to depend on FSR

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and the encoder not working under load but that seems to be a me issue and not as common aparently

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i hope you like being lower than 60FPS then lol

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for some reasson it always seems to give up at 40FPS no matter the game and just chokes out and runs out of performance right at 40FPS each time

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i tought it was just the fact i was using it at with 1440P but no going down to 1080P dident change the performance at all

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on my save with my 10700F overclocked i was at like high 20's framerates

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but it was cpu choked a smidge

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B580 was only pushing at about 80%

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i wonder how it would hold up for the memes if i use it with my 13700K

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and my save is now over the uObject limit so i dont think you have much to worry about

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only thing is it HATES global illumination

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idk what it is about it but it just cant do it at all to save its life

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which is something i dident expect

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my 1660 super coudl handle GI better than it which was unexpected

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on the specs sheet yea... in reality no games let you use it

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like arc raytracing support was removed for cyberpunk in the latest update

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and its no logner an option at all if your using path tracing

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so you cant do both anymore which is sad

verbal raft
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It can, in fact i think its about as good as RX 9000 RT

glossy glacier
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but it has quicksync

pure karma
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do you really not want to install something like obs that badly?

languid gulch
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is youtube being extra shit for anyone else rn

night girder
languid gulch
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taking forever to load

night girder
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adblocker?

languid gulch
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even with it off it sucks

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and then there's ads

night girder
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Yeah, I noticed it too on some systems.

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The video seems to hang until the ad has played a bit, but I don't get to see the add.

languid gulch
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and now it says i'm offline

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while i'm typing this on my pc

night girder
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Sounds like you have different issue.

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YT here is fine, but that says nothing 🤷‍♂️ Different server locations etc.

languid gulch
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yup same

night girder
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firefox by any chance?

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tried different browser?

languid gulch
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works better on edge

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lemme restart ff, see if that helps

night girder
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I have issues on firefox (windows system) too 😕

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not on safari (macbook).

languid gulch
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i think it's just google spewing shit when it detects an adblocker

night girder
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That's a bit strange. It started to happen a few days ago maybe?

night girder
jagged snow
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I really do enjoy the firefox experience

languid gulch
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definitely better after a browser restart

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wonder if ublock updated some definitions

night girder
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wait for it.

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it will come back hehe

jagged snow
vast tundra
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Whose got a spare open ai api key for me

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I’m cooking up something

soft bloom
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Anybody happen to know of an open source project with implementation, justification and or guide on how to diy motion activated led lamp with backup rechargable battery?
Any part of that being solved would be nice.
Basically, trying to figure out how hard it is to assemble such thing to install at entry to apartments building with backup battery serving to take load when main ac power is out.
Guessing there separate parts like led, battery, battery controller, led driver, motion sensor and it's logic...
Hard part might be in deciding what common choke points there are, aka how module connect with each other in a way that is modular and reduces cost.

languid gulch
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anyone have suggestions for a not insanely priced, but also not Meta, VR kit?

night girder
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I was messing about in windows and found this today "don't use optimisations for windowed games" interesting.

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twin dew
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Optimizations for windowed games improves gaming on your PC by using a new presentation model for DirectX 10 and DirectX 11 games that appear in a window or in a borderless window.

When these optimizations are used, games that originally use the legacy blt-model presentation can use the newer flip-model presentation instead (if the game is compatible). This results in lower frame latency and lets you use other newer gaming features; for example, Auto HDR, and variable refresh rate (for displays that support it).

night girder
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If you need to demystify a feature ... that's hidden somewhere deep in the OS.

twin dew
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That article is more general.
Semi-Deep dive into various game display chain solutions.

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There is general toggle for that, and then that per-game option to disable if some specific game doesn't play nice.

night girder
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I not sure what you talking about.

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Ah, found it.

mental oriole
pure karma
cyan crescent
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Does the steam deck have soldered on wifi or a removable card?

twin dew
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At least LCD seems to have soldered:

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Sub-PCB because of easier and cheaper passing of FCC etc. other regulation agency checks over the world.

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OLED has it even more integrated:

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soft bloom
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fingers crossed steam machine will stop games form inflating performance budget

twin dew
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For LCD, that is standard M.2 1216 module, so in theory replaceable with another, but those are soldered with ton of very small pads all around the underside of the edge, and then four eight large pads under the central area.

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mm-scale ruler:

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So those pads are 0.3mm wide, with 0.2mm space between pads.

cyan crescent
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Kind of a bummer

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But i understand

pure karma
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Very random question… do any of you guys know if spray paint sticks to hot glue?

twin dew
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There are multiple base paint chemistries, and that kind of thing would depend on that first.

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But no idea for any of them.

pure karma
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im not a paint scientist but would it lean more towards probably or no

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i have some plastics that i need to paint but its cracked in a few spots and i need something to fill them for cheap and hot glue that i have leftover is my only idea

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its not structural just a visual nitpick on my behalf

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just woried paint would just like immediately peel or wash off of it

soft bloom
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may be naive, at least I don't yap around how everything "sucks"

pure karma
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very few people that have living room setups on the cheap and just want something maintenance free?

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outside of that i dont see it as more than a open source console really

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its a full pc but i just cant give it that title without using all desktop standard parts

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but yea it will probably fill in the hole of Xbox giving up

visual tree
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Btw, I am definitely not going to use an electrical dehumidifier in the room where I work or sleep. It only gave me a headache because of dry air...

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Bought this chemical dehumidifier and It should be enough for a small room:

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twin dew
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I need to start using humidifier soon.

visual tree
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I always thought high humidity is worse than low humidity but when I experienced headaches from dry air, I changed my mind...

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Although high humidity can cause mold which is very hazardous

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It's funny how modern technologies also created modern problems. We started insulating houses and now houses are hermetically sealed which resulted in higher humidity

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Should have used wool instead of eps styrofoam though

twin dew
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Or just designed the airflow correctly.

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Which at has been forgotten too often.

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30-50% at normal room temperatures is usually ok, but when it goes under that 30% I start to get eye problems etc.

visual tree
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Another solution is using a central air recuperator

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Or a vent for a single room like this although it requires a huge hole through the wall which is not practical

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twin dew
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I would say that that thing will not really work as expected and as marketed.
And when the classic solution is just separate intake and outflow locations instead.

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With possibly fan or like assistance if just gravity fed doesn't work.

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It just was that the intake was through the structure, which doesn't work with proper insulation etc.
But the designers forgot to include actual intakes.

visual tree
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Also, contractors started using this brick which has wool inside:

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I am not a civil engineer so I don't know if it's any better compared to just installing wool on outside walls

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Yeah, those brick grids surrounding wool are basically acting as a thermal bridge and that's not good

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Hope there is Satisfactory civil engineer here to comment on this 😄

jagged snow
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The amount of thermal energy conducted is related to both the thermal conductivity of the material in question, the thermal delta between the sides, and how far it has to travel between the hot and cold side

twin dew
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Better than solid brick of same depth.

jagged snow
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Filling it with actual insulation does improve on an air pocket

twin dew
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Air is worse insulator than that wool.

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Worse than same depth of normal insulation.
But you can use lesser depth of separate insulation with that kind of brick vs. normal brick.

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Even if that other brick was just same without the inside wool.

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And just air pockets.

jagged snow
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Compared to a standard 6cm red brick and another 10cm of insulation backing, it's worse. Compared to that same depth of brick with air pockets or a standard brick wall with no insulation, it's notably better.

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What?
We build with brick all the time

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Although we typically do use solid red brick with a backing

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Gotcha
Yeah
Where I'm at most buildings built more than 10 years ago that aren't single family homes are built with brick, stone, and concrete

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Lol
Yeah
Modern commercial buildings are switching to cheaper building materials and really having a negative impact on what used to be a very historic town

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By US standards anyways hehe

visual tree
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Worst buildings here are historical buildings in city center since mostly retired people who don't have enough income live there and they don't have money to insulate outside walls

jagged snow
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Yeah
That's my favorite thing about US cities like mine

visual tree
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Not to mention you are not allowed to put insulation on historical building outside walls, you can only repair the walls and repaint them

jagged snow
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Yes they can be inefficient in terms of transportation, but the amount of natural beauty and public/private green space is amazing

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There are several acres of public parks within walking distance of my house and almost a full square mile of public outdoor areas within biking distance

visual tree
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An example of a historical building where where they fixed cracked wall and repainted it since adding insulation on historical buildings is illegal

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twin dew
visual tree
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Not to mention you can only hire conservatory companies for historical buildings and their services are very epensive

twin dew
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As basically the inside would need to be fully cleared near the outer walls to do it.

jagged snow
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We start preserving historic buildings pre 1950 or so

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With the oldest preserved ones in my area being from slightly before the civil war era

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Oh I'm aware

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That's why I mentioned it

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I think it's funny that the US considers buildings built within a lifetime historic when there are european places that have inhabited buildings that are centuries old

visual tree
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My dad was born on a island in a house which the government now declared a cultural heritage and we can't literally do anything on the outside walls without permission

languid gulch
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"we had to kill these elephants because the window hinges are made of ivory" 🤣

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idk if i've ever actually seen anything that egregious yet

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but sometimes historical preservation is definitely a problem

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& no offense, but so much of europe has been blown up and bulldozed over by armies in the last 300 years and nobody really seemed too interested in preserving the houses

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i wonder if they have the same opinions about asbestos in the walls & lead in the pipes

night girder
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US had nothing to bulldoze. hehe

languid gulch
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oh we did

night girder
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Yeah, natives.

languid gulch
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look up what Central Park in NYC used to be

night girder
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I mean, EU has long history of buildings.

twin dew
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US did lot of bulldozing city centers after WW2 to retool for cars.

night girder
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Then a "new" country like US.

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History wise, US is pretty new.

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We had to rebuild EU after WO2.

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Half of the builds in Antwerp weren't even rebuild. They just wrecked it down.

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Some building went to Bokrijk, a museum of ... old buildings.

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So these building, were probably standing somewhere else. And we moved them... to a musem.

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So it's not true that we aren't interested in preserving the housing.

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But if a politicna, and I still know his name, decides after WO2 that its cheaper to tear down than to rebuild 🤷‍♂️

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There was so much protest, and that's why we got Bokrijk. As a "gift" from the politician who said tear it all down.

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I don't know. We needed the get from a war economy back to a normal economy.

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So creating extra work by not deciding to rebuild but starts from scratch, can help transit the economy.

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Looks the same to me.

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Big square soccer grass field surrounded by buildings.

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Pretty impressive how square it is.

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🤷‍♂️

languid gulch
night girder
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oh. I was confused when I was searching pictures.

languid gulch
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didn't go back far enough 😛

night girder
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I think I saw it in the pictures but ignored it because it saw off. Let me double check.

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Is it this to the left?

languid gulch
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idk if there's any photos of it

night girder
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and then make it dissapear.

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So someone in 1970 has to found out by analysing the plans it seems.

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The settlement was largely forgotten for more than a century after its demolition. It came to the attention of Peter Salwen in the late 1970s, who noted a discrepancy in city maps of the village's impressive architecture that belied its negative reputation, and he included it in his 1989 Upper West Side Story.

languid gulch
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modern archaeology too