off-topic-tech

[languid gulch]

let's see what my kit is going for now. when i got it it was ~$260USD in january

[jagged snow]

Man, that is absurd

I paid like 90usd for a 6000mt/s 48gb kit

[languid gulch]

$610 on amazon now

new & 1st party seller

[jagged snow]

Unbelievable

[languid gulch]

let's see what it's going for on corsair's site

$562

[jagged snow]

I'm seeing 32gb kits for 200 on pcpartspicker

[languid gulch]

oh definitely

48gb+ is going nuts rn

since all the AI bullshit loves capacity

[jagged snow]

Man that's infuriating

[languid gulch]

garbage low end, insane high end

single ddr5 8gb stick is $43

[jagged snow]

What on earth

[languid gulch]

cheapest 2x8 is $65

ok i thought that they were making 12gb sticks for ddr5

[jagged snow]

I remember when you could build a mid-high end pc for the price of that kit of ram

[pure karma]

Back to 2016 pricing we go yipeeee

when like 32GB of ram was 400$ USD lmao

[languid gulch]

at least that was for an "absurd" amount of ram back then

[tough owl]

cant wait for ddr5 price to crash

[languid gulch]

the sad thing is that it won't, not until everything else crashes

[void pine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/1op5o9s/dx12_games_broken_on_crossover_after_physical/

[languid gulch]

black friday sales on SSDs & ram are gonna be fucking hilarious

[languid gulch]

the main issue there is having the balls to game on a mac

[jagged snow]

Leaving this here because I'm a little confused by it. The limiting factor is my monitor, supporting dp 1.4

My understanding is that this should not be an issue, but without using dsc I'm capped at 1440p 180hz, 10bpc.

DSC is fine most of the time for gaming but I bought this display for color accurate work and I'd like to have it off for that. Any idea why I can't get a full 1440p 240hz without dsc?

[twin dew]

Because 2560x1440 @ 240Hz with 10bit colors with RGB 4:4:4 signaling would need 30.77Gbps of bandwidth without DSC.
And DP 1.4 maxes at 25.92 Gbps.
Max that could be supported with 10 bit colors without DSC is 205 Hz.

Same with 8 bit colors is 24.62 Gpbs.

[soft bloom]

same

[languid gulch]

it annoys me that monitors can have DP & HDMI, and if your cable for one is kinda crap, you can't leverage the other input to make up for it

[twin dew]

Splitting display to be multiple zones each with separate input has been thing, but it sucks.

[languid gulch]

true, kinda like a crap SLI

[wanton orchid]

depends your graphic card, but you could switch it to ycbcr mode so dsc doesn't shit colors as much

it's also the graphic which makes dsc decisions

[visual tree]

Screw this. I recommended at work not to use AI virtual assistant for recording customer responses who want fiber connection for their home. Just tested the AI assistant and I don't like the responses....

I recommended a simple website with a form where people would put their first and last name, phone number, address and number of units. Simple, cheap, fast and easy to implement

Now we are going to waste time and money polishing AI response

[twin dew]

But Artificial Incompetence is the HYPE!

It is more important so SEEM modern by using the latest hype tech, than to be usable for the possible customers and get usable data.

[cyan crescent]

Im kinda tempted to get an 8tb m.2 ssd for my laptop but i dont know if i should. My main thought is so i can pit as much stuff onto it as i can for an up to 9 month deployment without internet or at the very least, very shitty internet

[twin dew]

Or just external USB HDD for bulk storage?

[thin trout]

the one in that kit is highly binned (6000 cl26 1.45v) and has a large premium because of that

the only better bin that has ever been available is the same @ 1.4v, but that was like 1000 kits ever and then gone

[soft bloom]

just like crypto (blockchain)

[thin trout]

It does depend slightly on the monitor timings used also, which is pretty much never advertised, but that calculator is a good rough guide

for example we just learned that the PG27AQWP-W actually does 2560x1440, 10bit, 540hz without DSC. Calc on default timings says 517 max

[twin dew]

But even the raw values without the extra overdraw from timings is just on the edge for that combo.

And when I checked, anything under the listed is basically non-compliant with DP spec if I understood correctly.

[twin dew]

And that might not be true, as I only see marketing for that monitor at this point, not actually in channel yet?

[thin trout]

review NDA lifted a couple days ago

ah

this has been corrected overnight 😄 mb

[twin dew]

But yes, with non-compliant manual settings, might work for that monitor.
Depending on how tiny extra space the chip in the monitor actually requires.

But with Fight or Flights monitor, probably not, as the numbers for just raw actual resolution were so close to the limit.

[thin trout]

Yeah, not gonna get 240hz out of dp1.4 on 2560x1440, 10 bit, 4:4:4. 200, maybe a touch more

[twin dew]

205Hz with the v2 timings.
More with manual tuning.

And if DSC can be forced off, overclocking the DP might happen and might work.
But usually it AFAIK cannot be forced off.

There are now v3 timings, but the difference was tiny or nonexistent in the spec on quick look.

Just allowed for larger porches as option, but default/minimum is the same.

[glass panther]

Just seen a job ad from nexus mods

shame I've never touched ruby on rails 😅

[jagged snow]

I thought hbr 3 was introduced with 1.3

And isn't hbr3 32.4Gb/s?

[twin dew]

for a total data throughput of 25.92 Gbit/s after factoring in 8b/10b encoding overhead.

And DP1.4 didn't bring anything better, still using that same from DP1.3

[jagged snow]

Yep, that I did know

[twin dew]

Basically using 10 bits to move 8 bits of data, for error correction purposes.
The newer DP2.x ones use 128b/132b encoding instead.

[jagged snow]

Gotcha, thanks

GPU is dp 2.1 and I didn't realize the monitor I bought wasn't at the time I purchased it

I should check what HDMI version it supports

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I do know they added fec and such with 1.4

[twin dew]

Nah, that 8b/10b encoding was used since original 1.0.

[jagged snow]

Oh gotcha

Anyways, the website says it supports HDMI 2.1

[twin dew]

Which doesn't mean anything, if the actual bandwidth isn't specified.

[jagged snow]

Yeah, I'll just have to try it

Not sure if I have a cable that'll do the bandwidth at that length either

It happened

And after getting that popup the next ad I was served was for a casino

There don't appear to be any settings that clarify what that actually means and I don't plan on submitting an I'd
So I guess we'll see what happens

[thin trout]

Yeah a lot of vendors have been really slow and selective with implementing DP2. Like even if they have a DP2.1 monitor they will release new stuff at DP1.4

it's an important spec that you have to check nowadays

[jagged snow]

Awesome, looks like it does work without dsc on hdmi

[timber wave]

Do you guys have any recommendations for somewhat budget friendly personal home servers with NAS? Want something i can back things up to but also be able to set up a game server for Satisfactory or ARK or minecraft or whatever else

[twin dew]

Network attached storage is functionality...
Able to be filled with almost any HW and OS...

[timber wave]

Yes and?

[glossy glacier]

If you want to run game server from it you are best off with a DIY solution running Proxmox, TrueNAS or UnRAID

[timber wave]

Never heard of proxmox but was hoping you might have some solutions or videos from people with similar ideas or end goals?

Ive gotten familiar with basic NAS systems but hardware tends to elude me

[twin dew]

Proxmox is VM server OS based on Linux for most part.

[timber wave]

Oh alright. Ill probably stick with UnRAID, TrueNAS seems to be a bit of a deeper dive than im lookin for

Although the idea of ZFS intrigues me despite the storage trade off

Do yall have setups like that?

[jagged snow]

I have a custom setup running TrueNAS

Works very very well for me

[timber wave]

Do you mind sharing the details

[jagged snow]

b450 mainboard running a ryzen 5600x w/ 32GB ddr4 3200
4x seagate exos 8TB for storage
1Gb/s nic

256GB sata ssd for boot drive

The storage is set up as a striped mirror to bring the read iops up because I'm working directly off of it for editing raw photos

[timber wave]

Is ironwolf better than exos for Seagate? I get a lil mixed up with the colors

And do you run anything off of it other than the NAS setup?

[twin dew]

Exos is enterprise lineup, IronWolf is small-scale NAS lineup.

[timber wave]

Oh okay, i thought enterprise wasnt supposed to be green or somethin

[twin dew]

Exos name as itself doesn't say much, only that it is from that enterprise lineup, which contains everything from archive host-controlled SMR to basically same drives as IronWolf Pro lineup is, and others.

[timber wave]

So when you say lineup, does it have its own color codes for green, blue, red etc? Or is it supposed to be barracuda is green, skyhawk is blue, ironwolf is red, and enterprise is the top tier?

[twin dew]

No.

Those are just WD brandings for various consumer/prosumer drive series instead.

Barracuda is Seagate consumer drives, Skyhawk is video surveillance recording drives, IronWolf is small scale NAS drives.

[jagged snow]

These are the exact drives I have in my nas if you're curious
https://www.newegg.com/seagate-enterprise-capacity-3-5-st8000nm0055-8tb/p/1Z4-002P-000N0

[twin dew]

WD Red (plus/pro) are the three WD small scale NAS drive lineups.

Where the base Red is just SMR scam and unusable for NASes.

[timber wave]

Gotcha

[twin dew]

And most consumer drives are also device controlled SMR, which completely fail in large writes, after the CMR type cache area fills up.

[timber wave]

Gotcha

[jagged snow]

Not fail in terms of data loss, but fail to perform adequately

[twin dew]

So Seagate (Company) Exos (Enterprise segment) 7E8 (actual drive series)

Yeah, the performance drops off a cliff, so that writing 1TB takes days instead of couple of hours.

[jagged snow]

With these drives I've done batch writes as large as 600GB per drive and that took me just a little over an hour, quite happy with the performance

By the way, baldur
What's your opinion on spindown with this sort of drive?

[twin dew]

Depends on how often they would be restarting.
If even few times a day, better to keep spinning.

[jagged snow]

I use this nas regularly throughout the day but it only runs a resilver at night once every two weeks so I wouldn't mind it spinning down for 8 hours every night

[timber wave]

You said earlier that you use raid 10, correct? If I start with 4 drives but want expandability, would Raid 6 be more efficient?

[jagged snow]

I don't use raid

[twin dew]

If nothing hits the drives in actuality during that night, then they could be spun down.

[timber wave]

Oh what did you say you use

[twin dew]

You select between failure resistance, "lost" space and performance.

[jagged snow]

I have two mirrors that I stripe across

[timber wave]

That sounds like raid 10, no?

[twin dew]

That is basically RAID 10/01

[timber wave]

See i know something 😅🤣

[jagged snow]

Well yes, I'm just clarifying that it's not raid because I'm on zfs/truenas

[twin dew]

Combination of RAID 0 striping and RAID1 mirroring.
But yeah, on ZFS etc. the stuff doesn't technically map 1:1, but basic idea is the same for most part.

[timber wave]

Wait so are you using parity’s?

[twin dew]

The point of that RAID 1 is to have two full copies of everything?

[jagged snow]

This setup doesn't do any parity calculations to improve speed but that does mean I loose 8TB of capacity comapred to a RAID5 equivalent setup that did use parity bits

[twin dew]

Point of all the RAID levels except 0 is to have some kind of parity storage.

Where that full mirroring just has multiple full copies of the data.

You can even do 3-way mirrors where you have 3 drives with exact same data, for 33% space efficiency only, or more.

[jagged snow]

I'm going to try a 180 minute spin-down delay with lvl 64 power management setting

[twin dew]

Keep track of the spindown count in SMART for few days to see it isn't spiking up too much.
As current normal lifetime spec for the head parking is around 600k times.

[jagged snow]

Noted

And these drives are rated for 2M hours mtbf, so even assuming I see my first failure at a quarter of that they could run continuously for many years with no spindowns

[twin dew]

Yeah, basically the drives are designed to run 24/7/365 for their whole lifetime.

[jagged snow]

Yep

[timber wave]

Majority of it will be old music, videos, and photos, but hoping to make it a long term storage solution that we can pull things from. Maybe add a small SSD for hot files.

And wanted it to combine with a game server so i can cut costs a bit

[jagged snow]

I have these configured to take weekly smart snapshots, so I'll take a look and if it's parking more than twice a day on average I'll disable spindown again

[twin dew]

Basically you go for game server with side function of NAS, as the NAS thing is the low performance requirement thing.

[timber wave]

Yea

I have zero experience with server side things, only research experience for NAS

[timber wave]

Does your setup allow for game server hosting? Or is it just NAS? Discord wont load that far up right now lol

[jagged snow]

I use it for nas and hosting a few services(Immich, gitea, tailscale endpoint)
It could potentially host a game server but if storage is your secondary concern I'd go with another solution

[timber wave]

Storage is secondary, but also probably going to be used the most as im the only gamer of the household to be using the server stuff

[jagged snow]

Honestly a docker-based solution might work for you

I'm not sure what others would reccomend

[timber wave]

Can you elaborate?

[jagged snow]

Docker is a virtualization and containerization system, so you can run it and host multiple disparate services simultaneously like game/web servers, media clients, etc

[timber wave]

Do you have an example?

[jagged snow]

Example of which part specifically?

[timber wave]

All that docker mumbo jumbo cause i’ve never heard of one in my life haha

[twin dew]

Basically kind of security layer, but for most users just about getting preset thing running easily.

Instead of installing the same thing native and configuring it yourself.

[jagged snow]

Docker basically lets you automatically configure and run various services very easily(that's what it means for you anyways)

[timber wave]

So is it a software??

[jagged snow]

Yep

[twin dew]

Just with more space and RAM overhead.
But with additional layer between docker images for kind of security.

[timber wave]

Would that not effect my performance of anything else i do on the system? Or are you saying to use that software on a separate system

[twin dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docker_(software)

[jagged snow]

It would run on the same system
The performance impact would be measurable but not large

It just makes configuration and maintineance easier

[timber wave]

So i would just use that software and a prebuilt NAS like something from ugreen? Instead of a building a whole setup

[jagged snow]

I would still always reccomend building your own to be honest

[timber wave]

Any reason for that?

[jagged snow]

Price

No software lock

And a lot of prebuildl nas boxes won't have the performance for game servers

[timber wave]

Well if im using the docker stuff, that would be on my current desktop computer, wouldnt it??

[jagged snow]

No, docker and the containers would be running on your server

[timber wave]

Oh then i completely misunderstood earlier

[jagged snow]

Docker is just a software tool that improves security, management, and configuration of the server

[timber wave]

Gotcha

[winged valley]

Just build a pc with a lot of storage and run unraid on it

Very straightforward and beginner friendly with a lot of room for advanced usage

Even has docker built in and premade docker containers from the community if you install the community plugin

[dire igloo]

TLDR:
Channel that should benefit heavily from YT premium kinda doesn't, ads are more worthwhile
http://youtube.com/post/UgkxsgA8Pvj_zqQBAJhltSsCwTQBtVJWxNvF

[cyan crescent]

whats a good linux distro for a novice who is just going to game? i will probably use the steam proton compatibility layer

im trying to get my ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 on linux. my concern is what drivers to use to get the wifi, bluetooth and everything else working

[jagged snow]

Bazzite

In my experience it just worked automatically, no setup required

[pure karma]

Bazzite but it hates laptop hardware so only way to know if it works is to try it

[jagged snow]

Some other gaming-focused linux distros are Pop!_OS and chimeraOS

[maiden coyote]

For gaming on, or game servers? Lol

[jagged snow]

For gaming on

For gaming servers it really doesn't matter because those are often linux native

[languid gulch]

k, got a fun one for you guys

is there a way to verify the integrity of a cable's individual connectors without breaking out a multimeter or one of those multi-thousand-dollar magic boxes

[jagged snow]

What cable specifically?

And usually, no

Other than testing it to see if it works 🤷‍♂️

[languid gulch]

oculus CV1, hdmi/usb on one end, weird ass looking oculus branded connection on the other, maybe mini DP?

headset felt like just not working last week, and now it's throwing out "no hdmi" & "no usb" stuff

thrown every adapter & plug in my pc at it, reset & reinstalled drivers

trying to decide if i burn like $40 on a used one since they stopped making them a long time ago, or if i should just replace the whole headset with either a straight replacement or something newer

[jagged snow]

Oh gotcha, that's quite unfortanet

[languid gulch]

been a good set for almost 6 years now

[visual tree]

I have meta quest 3 but avoid some apps because no matter what, I can't get used to motion sickness 😩

[warm jay]

personnaly im on linux mint. compatibility is great, even if you dont have the bleeding edge update. satifactory run perfeclty fine. you can force vulkan API and win some fps

its probably the best disto for first time user and people who dont want to have problems every two weeks

[thin trout]

VR won't really work unless we get much better displays

110x96 degree FOV isn't enough, in reality we have a 200x135 degree FOV (2.55x larger). We can't see clearly out to the edges, but we can see, and we rely on that vision A LOT. For example if you're driving a car, your rear-view mirrors are in peripheral vision (outside of the headset FOV). You react to changes in that mirror via peripheral vision. You use peripheral vision to know where to point your eyeballs or neck when changing view.

With 60% of your eye-viewing-space being cut off into blackness by a HMD with insufficient FOV, you're basically playing as if you have binoculars taped to your eyes and it will make anyone motionsick after a while.

120hz is also a joke for a head mounted display, the point where it's not really an issue any more for problems like responsiveness and sickness-causing blur (or strobing) is closer to 1khz. You can get away with a lot more on a monitor than you can with a HMD.

Resolution is often focused on but barely matters for sickness.

and ofc, for adoption, those displays have to be cheap.

[visual tree]

Guess we are far away from SAO technology

Also, I love Red Matter but motion sickness in that game really knocks you off

I can barely survive 30 minutes playing it before I feel like throwing up

[thin trout]

Yeah i don't even bother trying. Long way to go before those displays and stuff are $3000, let alone $300

they will likely get there though

but it will take a few decades

[cyan crescent]

Were anthem servers shutdown?

[visual tree]

Wish there is a VR game where I can experience USA corporate hell

Intro into the game begins with a job interview where they tell you everyone is a "family "

[cyan crescent]

“We are a fast paced work environment”

[visual tree]

Corporate dictionary: "We are a family" - a lot of unpaid overtime

Flexible - no boundaries

Wearing multiple hats - doing multiple jobs

[dire igloo]

"directly responsible" - exclusively responsible

[visual tree]

Imagine if there is corporate version od SOA where people get trapped in VR version of office and they die in real life if their VR headset is removed or they get fired in VR company they are working for

You can only win and escape if you become a CEO by walking all over other employees and abusing them

Perhaps I should't give free ideas on Discord since Netflix might be stealing ideas from Discord users

[soft bloom]

had flexible schedule that resulted in me not getting lunch break 3 weeks straight

[visual tree]

My college friend once worked for a toxic boss who considered taking lunch break as slacking and expected employees to take out the trash

[soft bloom]

well, fun fact is that we where suppsoed to have it at a somewhat set time
but pretty much always there was either some unmoderated long meeting or an unexpected one...

[visual tree]

And restricting lunch break here is literally a crime

[soft bloom]

incredible case of words being detached from actions

[visual tree]

I had a boss once who asked if I wanted to transfer my private phone number to company so they can cover the cost. I was smart enough and declined because I was worried they might take ownership of my phone number if I quit and I was right....

My coworkers quit and the boss refused to transfer phone number ownership back so they lost the number they've been using since kids....

[soft bloom]

ouchie. yeah, much better have second work number

[visual tree]

This. I have both private and business number

Still can't believe my coworkers were dumb enough and didn't think what would happen with "their" phone number if they quit

[void pine]

Apple is truely a shit company

[night girder]

rofl

And the -18 crackdown has begun. First UK. Then Italy. It's spreading like a virus.

[jagged snow]

Oh yep, I got hit with that too

Except I can't seem to find the settings that they changed so I don't even know if I'm being affected other than the popup

[visual tree]

Hope they don't ask for an ID because some websites store ID photos and later get data breach....

[jagged snow]

They are asking for either an ID or an image of your face

[visual tree]

💀

Well, if they ask me for an ID, I might as well give them this:

[jagged snow]

The one thing that's unclear to me is what's stopping you from submitting a photo that's not of yoou

[visual tree]

Google probably checks ID first and last name and then compares it with my data to determine if it's actually me

[jagged snow]

I was referring to the fact that they'll let you verify your age with just an image of your face and no ID

[visual tree]

Oh, not sure tbh

Some websites asked me for a driver's licence as a proof of identity

[languid gulch]

here's the thing: i'm not inherently against a system like that. i'm against them right now because none of them have been demonstrated to be functionally secure with their data. so until that changes, hell no

[jagged snow]

I think the real solution would be a cryptographically verifiable, privacy protecting id

[thin trout]

google actually doesn't have age verification in UK

They are out blocking obscure shit like information/help for lgbt+ youth but you can go to the most popular website in the world, search anything, and you have hundreds of pages of nsfw images.

[visual tree]

This is my biggest fear regarding ID check if they store your data somewhere.

Also an example why I don't like it: "In 2021, a hacker in Estonia succeeded in obtaining over 280,000 personal identity photos, names and ID codes from the country’s ID card system."

Although this is a government data breach

[visual tree]

One day, I was wondering how car insurance salespeople knew when my car insurance expires. I found out the reason later: "The Personal Data Protection Agency (AZOP) announced a data leak affecting one million vehicle owners, identifying the Croatian Insurance Bureau as the controller responsible for the breach. AZOP conducted an investigation revealing that the Insurance Bureau failed to implement adequate organizational and technical measures, violating GDPR Articles 32(2) and (4), and did not set maximum retention periods for personal data, violating Article 5(1)(e). Consequently, AZOP fined the Croatian Insurance Bureau €101,000 as part of a total €350,500 penalty for GDPR violations. The investigation followed an anonymous report about leaked data from the Register of Registered Vehicles, which included vehicle owner, vehicle, and insurance data."

Biggest disapointment is low fine....

Basically, some employee at the Bureau exported vehicle owner data to USB stick and then sold the data to third parties later (which is how car insurance companies knew when my insurance expired so they can try to make me sign a new contract)

[thin trout]

Discord literally did this, and did one of the worst personal data leaks ever last month

gov ID, name, discord username, phone number, credit card details (not all, but e.g. expiry and last 4 digits), IP addresses and the content of support tickets.

And a lot of people actually did give them that info, because e.g. phone number is a soft requirement to using discord. For example i used to moderate some public servers and at one point got mass reported by porn spammers, which locked me out of account until i added a phone number to verify.

[visual tree]

And they say using a strong password and 2FA will protect your data 🤣

[visual tree]

FFS, incompetent courier didn't even try to deliver my package and returned it to Amazon

Guess I'm going to report them to Amazon and a regulatory agency....

In fact, I will go the demonic way and send an email to amazon and put courier and regulatory agency email address in mail cc

It's the courier known as the worst in my country. I had mixed experiences with them but this one has crossed the line

What's the point of being a courier if you receive a package from amazon and then return it back to amazon without even trying to deliver a package 🤦‍♂️

[sharp matrix]

No kidding💀

[night girder]

Hehe, not what I meant at all 🍆

[visual tree]

I am going to forward this to a courier so they know I reported them and Amazon is investigating them. I just want to watch them burn 🔥

[sharp matrix]

It' always a good day to watch a carrier burn🔥

[visual tree]

Also, I put regulatory agency in mail cc when I forwarded Amazon reply to carrier. They will be shitting bricks on monday when they read my email

[sharp matrix]

Let me guess, never received the package?

[visual tree]

Not only that but they didn't even attempt to deliver the package (or forward it to a nearby locker/office). They simply sent it back to Amazon

[sharp matrix]

Wtf💀

What is wrong with that carrier, thats insane

[visual tree]

What kind of delivery company sends the package back to Amazon without even trying to deliver it lol

[sharp matrix]

one that deserves to burn🔥

[soft bloom]

hmm, I tried searching for that voltage thingy, and in 3 attempts got overwhelmed by sheer amount of vague filters and possibilities.

[sharp matrix]

Time to sit back and watch it burn

[visual tree]

Yeah, there are companies which will reschedule package delivery if they don't have enough drivers and that is totally understandable. However, this company is so terrible they will simply send the package back to Amazon if they don't have enough drivers and they won't even let you pick up the package yourself

Makes you want to ask yourself what is the point of a delivery company if they refuse delivering packages since they don't have enough drivers. That's like your core business....

[sharp matrix]

what company is this💀

[visual tree]

Overseas Express if you want to know

[sharp matrix]

good at least its not in the us

[visual tree]

I wouldn't be surprised if they take the hammer, damage the package and then claim they had to return the package to Amazon because it was damaged and they are the good guys

[visual tree]

Oh, I've seen US videos where they throw TV packages across the fence. People would start a riot here if anyone tried doing that

Probably the most famous in history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR_firhtoPM

[wanton orchid]

here they send truck, but just pass by not letting you chance to call them for location help
then send back to warehouse, multiple times
then send back to seller
without ever letting you pick it up or give instructions
so it's as stupid as your description, but also taking multiple truck as an ice on the cake
signed European UPS

seller is basically paying for pointless truck travels

[twin dew]

At least in Finland, UPS drivers don't have company phones, and aren't allowed to use personal ones...

[visual tree]

My former boss who worked in Germany said DHL has cities in Germany where home delivery is not possible and they keep packages in a large central warehouse. Customers visit the warehouse, insert the code and some kind of robot will pull out their package from a warehouse

This kind of thing should be everywhere imo

So you don't have to worry about delivery. Simply store packages in a central warehouse and let customers pick it up anytime they want

This kind of thing drastically reduces cost and they could make an option where you could still ask for home delivery but you would have to pay additional fees

[visual tree]

Btw, the courier tracking status page looks like it was made by a vibe coder...

Misaligned text, ugly gradient color...

Omg, there is some white space here

Even my website design was better when I took web design classes in college

[dire igloo]

Speaking of courier:
Ordered my new OLED monitor on 19 Oct, estimated shipping data 14-18 Nov

[visual tree]

I should get a new monitor too. It's quite old but still working

[sharp matrix]

Well

[visual tree]

I don't understand this but people are mocking their website for this too

Maybe @night girder can help

[night girder]

mhm. not sure. You can't have two id's of the same ofc. (Yellow message).

Identification = unique. A class can be generic.

[jagged snow]

It could very well be automatically generated by some tool

Or the collision could come from a system like react where they used an Id that some library already had

[night girder]

nah, both look angular.

_ngcontent gives it away.

[quasi flicker]

my laptop has gotten to the point where i cant progress anymore bc its a stupid lenovo yoga slim so does anyone have like a spare uhhhh 4060ti gaming rig

please🥹 🥰

[waxen pendant]

Rough, my laptop is getting to that point. I can no longer alt+tab to check my spreadsheets

[quasi flicker]

just looking at my fuel power plant sends me to below 3fps (full view of all machines)

infact yesterday i had 2 unity CRASHES because i looked up and at my power plant!

which is weird cause it only has 173 generators (i believe i made it a year ago bc that was the last time i could progress without my game crashing)

[waxen pendant]

It maybe painful but have you tried calling in said power plants. That way you can't see them and they don't render?

[quasi flicker]

im on lowest resolution, lowest graphics setting lowest render distance and i still get sub 5fps

they need to make an ultra low setting bro 😭

[waxen pendant]

Correct me if im wrong but.... isn't the yoga slim essentially a tablet?

[quasi flicker]

nah

its not even touchscreen

its cheap, its bad, has ZERO easily repaired parts, the hinges like to kill themselves and cause it is lenovo it enjoys dying and making you buy another

[waxen pendant]

Is nvidias cloud gaming thing a option?

[quasi flicker]

it could be but since i live on a farm slightly out of town i only get 30mbps

so no not really

my internet speed is uh

not very thumbs up emoji

[waxen pendant]

gotcha... well maybe look iinto a free trial or something to test

30mb may be usable. but i wouldnt test that with money

satisfactory is available

i dont like cloud gaming at all tbh. just trying to help where i can

[quasi flicker]

i dont really want to try cloud gaming, im open to it but i like local gaming and sometimes i dont even get wifi since its a bit choppy ://

i think ill just

save for a pc like i planned

[waxen pendant]

good call

[quasi flicker]

just gotta play games on this crap box for another 1 and a half years till i get enough

[waxen pendant]

Im happy that I'm financially stable enough to just go upgrade if it was needed

[verbal raft]

laptop specs ?

[quasi flicker]

i-5 1240P (integrated graphics) 8gb of ddr??? ram

[verbal raft]

well, RIP

[quasi flicker]

it was 899 dollars and 2 and a half years ago that was good enough for my parents

now i gotta buy stuff with my money 😔

i will get these someday

[verbal raft]

the 4060 TI is an odd choice IMO at this point
9060 XT 16GB / 5060 TI 16GB both are better deals (usually)

unless those 2 are insanely expensive in your region

[quasi flicker]

its liquid atm i lit only got 300$ saved as my job is relatively new

but i found a trust worthy australian company and its a pretty future proof build

yet again in 2 years the pc market will defo have changed

anyways its 2:35 am i have a math test and a history assignment tmrw so i prob should get some z's

i havent started the history assignment tho.

gulp

[sharp matrix]

not bad, my laptop i game on has a 13900hx rtx 4090 in it

handles this game well enough thankfully

[pure karma]

im loosing brain cells

[twin dew]

Depends on CPU IMC silicon lottery, MB, RAM sets and frequency and other settings that are to be used.

[pure karma]

4 sticks at 3600 aledgedly but idk what cpu

but i still wouldent ever reccomend that 4 sticks has no performance loss

this random tech rant is delusional at best

[twin dew]

It has no performance loss at same settings.
But getting same settings is the lottery-part.

[soft bloom]

did YT gone mad?
have this GPU utilization from just watching video, and it lags af

and meanwhile video decode is at 0%

hmmm, that's video codec? why?..

[glossy glacier]

amd and media engine naming is weird

[twin dew]

Or just using codec that the specific GPU doesn't have hardware decoder for.

right-click the video and select "Stats for Nerds", and look at the Codecs line.

Probably says AV01.

[pure karma]

i know mine says AV1 but yea i have AV1 supported

[twin dew]

Point was that that codec line for some reason says AV01:

On YouTube

[thin trout]

Having more DIMMs per channel means having more memory ranks per channel too, all else being the same, and that does affect performance somewhat

but yes the supported speed for 2dpc is typically way lower than for 1dpc

on current gen AMD it's 5600 for 1dpc vs 3600 for 2dpc

people who say 2dpc "doesn't work" or is "unstable" are talking about reduced overclocking headroom, they just usually don't know enough about CPU's/RAM to understand that they're overclocking in the first place.

Speeds for performance is quite complicated as well, because AMD actually syncs uclk=fclk for that 2dpc 3600mt/s (1800fclk). At higher speeds they cannot sync fclk, so they have a large latency penalty. That's a performance sweet spot for <=4000mt/s so it doesn't really make sense to use speeds between 4000 and 5000 even if you could.

[soft bloom]

it does not mention av1

vp09. and stuff

[jagged snow]

What GPU do you have?

[soft bloom]

thing is that it worked even today just fine

rdna 2 hehe

[jagged snow]

Latest amd drivers seem to have gone back to the Polaris days in terms of quality

[soft bloom]

o m g

[jagged snow]

Hw acceleration is completely borked and I'm getting black screens in some games

And when I say hw acceleration is broken, I'm saying it's very broken sometimes

Extreme stuttering and a ~20% fps dip when browser, discord, Spotify, etc is open on second monitor

[soft bloom]

yay, downgrades

[verbal raft]

I only noticed this when having a video open with firefox and and handbrake encoding at the same time, got visual artifacting, otherwise i have no issues

[pure karma]

i know that for ages iv had issues when gpu is overloaded where video will just stop playing entirely on firefox after playing at like 1fps for a while and cause a bunch of issues but outside of that ehh i havent had many issues with youtube on pc

[stiff temple]

i upgraded from a core i5 7400 and z170a system but the gpu (rx 580) refused to show an image until windows loads on the new b550 and ryzen 5 5500 system, any fix?

[jagged snow]

Do you have fast boot enabled?

Or is it a csm type issue

[stiff temple]

unable to access bios at all

[jagged snow]

No igpu on that chip, right?

[stiff temple]

nope

[jagged snow]

You have another gpu to swap in?

[stiff temple]

no

[jagged snow]

What type of output are you using and what monitor is it connected to

[stiff temple]

hdmi to mini hdmi connected to a 2048x1536 display

[jagged snow]

Does your board have bios flashback?

[stiff temple]

yes and i tried flashing the latest bios and didnt work

[jagged snow]

Gotcha

Can you try another port on the gpu?

And do you have a lower-res monitor you could try?

[stiff temple]

tried on every port except hdmi 0 bc physical damage

[stiff temple]

no

this wasnt an issue on the old system

[twin dew]

And that more ranks gives better performance at otherwise same settings.
But didn't want to confuse even more.

[void pine]

fun fact

DVI = HDMI = DVI

you can sometimes get HDMI audio out of a DVI port

it depends on the motherboard and the CPU/GPU/whatever, but most Intel CPUs use a HDMI PHY and motherboards just slap a DVI port onto that

[glossy glacier]

IIRC on AMD it should be the port furthest from the Mainboard. Additionally give it a reboot after changing the port, bios rarely support hot-plug

[formal acorn]

My setup is the most bottlenecked system ever lol I have a ryzen 7 9800x3d and a 3070 lol

[languid gulch]

i could sned you a GT610 to really see how bad it could get

[twin dew]

Or just that the previous MB used full-HD for BIOS, and the new one uses VGA.
And the monitor doesn't support VGA.

Which is just weird, but suprisingly common.

[void pine]

Does bottlenecking really matter?

[formal acorn]

Yes it does

[glossy glacier]

always depends on what you are running

[formal acorn]

I play rust

[twin dew]

I raise you with 7800X3D, 64GB of DDR6000 & RX6600

[formal acorn]

I have 96 gigs ddr5 as well

The thing is I want to get a rog astral 5090 but to do that I need a new case psu and a new motherboard as well

[full tide]

Is 32gb worth it atm or 64gb

[void pine]

M3 Pro, 36GiB :reading:

[formal acorn]

Go for 64 for future proofing

[glossy glacier]

I'd say 32 is the new 16. 64 only if you need it

[twin dew]

32GB is the minimum viable amount with DDR5.
As 16GB has about 10% performance penalty for RAM bandwidth.
Going above will not give any large improvements if the RAM doesn't fill up.

[void pine]

4GiB is totally usable

[formal acorn]

The thing is imma have to drop £10000 since i will be redoing my entire setup

[formal acorn]

For doom maybe

[void pine]

Or just... don't play games that have had efforts made to make them unoptimised

[full tide]

I am at 32gb and 5080 ti and i7k ryzen 7800x3d

[formal acorn]

But that is literally every single game that isn’t doom

[full tide]

Or 9800x idk I have to check

[twin dew]

So 32GB vs 48GB vs 64GB vs 96GB (in two sticks total) is only about what you specifically need.

[full tide]

I have 2 16gb

[void pine]

Intel CPUs are a must for Linux

[formal acorn]

I have 2 48gigs

[twin dew]

How so?

[void pine]

AMD CPUs are just worse because you have no hardware video acceleration

[glossy glacier]

Depends on the amd cpu

[void pine]

Well, that's a lie

Only for Firefox

[formal acorn]

However the best cpu on the market do gaming is amd

[void pine]

an i5-4260u is fine for gaming...

[full tide]

So is 32gb enough

[void pine]

just don't play games that have had efforts to make them unoptimised

[formal acorn]

Bec the 9800x3d and the 9950x3d are the best for gaming out of any cpu on the market

[twin dew]

Depends on what you do or play.

[glossy glacier]

Fair, you need to manually install the required codecs

[full tide]

I meant for Satisfactory the

[void pine]

No, you can't

[formal acorn]

If u want to be able to play any game do 64

[void pine]

You would need to write a VA-API layer for AMD GPUs

[formal acorn]

Do 64

[twin dew]

Depends on save size.

[formal acorn]

I play satisfactory and at endgame my pc is using 48gigs

[glossy glacier]

I can personally attest you can. I run two amd setups with Linux, FF and hw accel

[full tide]

It’s a 3857hr nearly 3860hr save

[void pine]

I play with 36GiB of RAM on Mac

[twin dew]

With current optimizations, you AFAIK need to be significantly above default UObject limit to hit 32GB RAM limit and start swapping.

[void pine]

macOS is abhorrently optimised + it's doing code translation

[formal acorn]

Go for 64

[void pine]

32GiB is most certainly fine for Satisfactory

[full tide]

I run smoothly on 32b on my world currently where I am doing big project

[languid gulch]

i wouldn't recommend anyone buy ram rn, a 64gb kit is like $500USD

[twin dew]

Current spike might last for up to two years unfortunately.

The effects are just starting to manifest.

So unless the AI bubble bursts very soon, this will continue.
As one company is now gobbling about 40% of memory wafer production.

[void pine]

Can't wait for the AI bubble to burst

It's just horrid

[languid gulch]

kinda hoping for one of the worst crashes in human history at this point, sadly

[void pine]

Generative AI has literally no upsides

[full tide]

Are the devs trying to reduce the uobject lint

[languid gulch]

the good news is that a crash would probably dump a bunch of lightly used stuff right into the secondhand market for dirt cheap

[void pine]

AI generated "gameplay"

[languid gulch]

oh yea saw that

[full tide]

When I get nearly full I reload

[languid gulch]

?

[full tide]

Uobject

[languid gulch]

oh no, i mean a market crash

[full tide]

Oh

[twin dew]

Satisfactory currently has some UObject leaks, being worked on. But not related to the channel or the conversation.

[full tide]

Sorry it’s 3am and I am half awake

[void pine]

Stuff. Specifically AI accelerators/AI GPUs

[full tide]

Sorry

[void pine]

I'm just saying, always bet on nothing. Or they might do a big sad with it.

[dire igloo]

This is just crazy

And here I was thinking the DDR4 increase was huge

[twin dew]

Yeah, consumer RAM manufacturers aren't getting enough supply as so much of the total capacity has been locked in new long term agreements.
So everyone is raising end user prices.
Even if they wouldn't need to right now.

[soft bloom]

yay, the windows' upon logic blank white loading screen that probably was going to bother me with privacy features was skipped once again thanks to the power of alt+f4

[verbal raft]

redstone ?
https://x.com/gpuopen/status/1987905824497295509?s=46&t=13o4cb2hQHldJvcAiVER0A

AMD GPUOpen (@GPUOpen)

See what our research teams have been up to with our latest papers:

📝 Joint Denoising and Upscaling via Multi-branch Network.
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📥 View here: https://t.co/y0XU5hbQXV

X · Nov 10, 2025, 3:30 PM

[night girder]

Ah ffs, and I was thinking of replacing my RAM 🙁

[dire igloo]

hehe, stonks

[visual tree]

When someone mentioned RAM price spike, I almost got a heart attack and thought 2x16 GB DDR5 kit would cost me €500 😅

It's under €200 so I guess it's still acceptable to me....

Don't even want to mention crazy GPU prices few years ago. That was a crazy period

[dire igloo]

used to be 80-90€ tho

[dire igloo]

yeah, i hope it won't as bad this time
don't wanna jinx it even worse

[visual tree]

We are lucky it's one of the cheapest components. I would be pissed if it was something else

[jagged snow]

Even the brands backed by dram ic manufacturers like crucial

[visual tree]

Btw, courier admitted they made a mistake when sending my package back to Amazon without delivery attempt due to error in "warehouse manipulation". Hope they won't repeat the mistake again...

[night girder]

We should get rid of ram and just integrate it somewhere else 😛

With all the sharing going on anyway between components.

[jagged snow]

Switch to on-package sram

(Never going to happen for many reasons)

[night girder]

and all of this si the fault of AI

[jagged snow]

Eh
Only to some extents

[night girder]

Nah its AI datacenters 🤣

[jagged snow]

Companies are still choosing to allocate fab space to hbm rather than dram

[night girder]

Even AI says so 🤣

and the chances of prices going down is slim, so we're fucked.

the GPU prices didn't go down either after the corona craziness.

[twin dew]

Much more competition in the RAM space.
Which has in several cases before pushed prices to near zero margin for all the levels when there has been overproduction of DRAM chips because of demand slump.

In GPU space, Nvidia basically sets the prices.

[night girder]

I hope you are right.

[twin dew]

So lot depends on how much the RAM wafer manufacturers trust the raised demand to continue.

Or if the AI bubble bursts soon.

Worst case: RAM wafer companies don't start raising production, AI doesn't burst.
Best case for buyers: production is raised, AI bursts, glut on market.

But in long term that might be very bad and lead to Micron or Samsung exiting the market completely.

[visual tree]

At least RX 9070 XT prices have gone down. I remember this model being above €700 before:

Maybe in a year, it will drop under €600 🙏

[night girder]

🤣 -100 euro for GPU. +150 euro for RAM

[visual tree]

Also that 😭

I think my 16 GB rgb kit was around €90 when I bought it in 2022

Going to need 32 GB now. It's crazy how gaming requirements are growing fast

And 1 TB ssd/nvme is no longer enough. I need at least 2 TB now

[jagged snow]

In 2023 I paid ~80usd for a 32gb ddr4 3200 kit

Just a few months ago, I paid 80usd for a 48GiB ddr5 6000 kit

[visual tree]

That's dirt cheap for me 👍

Although I most likely don't need 48 GB atm

Also, RGB is not worth it since you won't be looking at your case most of the time

It might look cool at first but you will get bored of it quickly

[dire igloo]

don't look at specific models if you want to track a trend

[visual tree]

True. I was looking at that model all the time because it's one of my potential choices in the near future

Haven't checked other models tbh

[dire igloo]

my solution: I look at aggregator sites

[visual tree]

Geizhals.de?

[dire igloo]

for me, yeah
obviously not for someone who isn't buying from the German market

[visual tree]

I buy more expensive electronics mostly from Germany with the exception of TV which is obviously inconvenient for international shipping

And considering how shipping companies handle packages here, I wouldn't trust them with a TV

I also sometimes use idealo.de

[soft bloom]

how does one find a part where the only known limit is that it need to regulated incoming voltage into 12V DC out with 2A max current?

[jagged snow]

What input voltage range are you looking at?

[soft bloom]

used car battery aka it's not constant by a lot

[twin dew]

Not really possible without double conversion, first to higher voltage and then back down.

Ok, LDO:s might get close enough, and the electronic devices that have that 12V input most likely have internal downconversion to 5V and less.

LVDO/LDO regulator I mean.

[jagged snow]

Yep, LDO or a buck-boost

[twin dew]

But most likely those network devices with 12V input are completely fine with 9-10V input too.

[jagged snow]

Often
It really depends on the exact device

I wouldn't run them outside of 1v of tolerance, you can cause issues with internal power delivery circuitry if you do

[twin dew]

Usually there is just another DC-DC converter with regulation inside, which doesn't actually care about the input voltage as long as it is between 1V above the actual final voltage, and below the failure voltage for that component.

[jagged snow]

Yes and no 🤷‍♂️

[soft bloom]

more recent router in family wants 9V, and I haven't tested the others by 9V power supply

[visual tree]

@night girder

[languid gulch]

weird. wifi card just felt like quitting in the middle of doing absolutely nothing

pc restart woke it back up, but still, weird

[soft bloom]

so I went on one of the site that sell components
probably not the best choice, but just to test logic...
there's bidirectional converter XL6009 - that should work? (definitely not

btw, I remember from talking lat time disregarding powering Bluetti from battery since it only has 12v input intended for solar panels (with mppt note)

[soft bloom]

you mean long-term damage?

[jagged snow]

Potentially

[void pine]

Intel GPU?

[glossy glacier]

amd

[void pine]

So no Intel GPU in the entire system?

[glossy glacier]

full amd

[void pine]

I assume you installed some translation layer that provides VAAPI using AMD’s API

[glossy glacier]

just mesa-va-drivers

[void pine]

Interesting.

[glossy glacier]

of note is that ubuntu ff snap packet sucks
you need the deb version

on my fedora install it works out-of-the-box

[languid gulch]

it's not a fedora, it's a trilby

[glossy glacier]

Ofc its the gpu providing the decoders, not the cpu.
Pre am5 most amd cpus did not have an iGPU included, maybe that's where the confusion is coming from?

[tough owl]

va-api was built for intel and amd cards.....

yes intel made it but it works on amd

[void pine]

But only Intel would support it right.. because money... right?

[void pine]

I've never seen a CPU with hardware v ideo decode

[dire igloo]

not even inside iGPUs?
Intel had media engines in their iGPUs for over a decade

[void pine]

iGPU is a GPU not a CPU

iGPU is a GPU in the package of a CPU

[jagged snow]

If you're going to be that pedantic, then stop calling it a cpu.

The CPU is the entire package, unless you want to argue that the memory controller/io die on modern ryzens aren't part of the cpu. If you're going to make that argument, then you might as well say that nothing other than the ALU is actually the CPU. You're making pointless distinctions.

Call it an APU if you want

[dire igloo]

I know, I just missed the topic of the conversation

[soft bloom]

Yt is now quite reliably needs page reload for speed menu to work probably per browser session

[night girder]

YT is buggy as hell lately 😛 Not buggy. Just fighting hard with adblocker I guess. But it feels buggy

[twin dew]

<@&387163995947270144> scam

[soft bloom]

but also, oh hey, I can fanally see actually recent videos on specific's channel page, instead of exclusively, for some reason, ones that are 6 (!) years old

and I have either suspicion that AMD drivers are now doing hidden reset to default 'tuning' once again, or Arc is one of those games that does that every couple sessions

btw, dunno what they cooked, but it somehow looks and runs really well, without me fidgeting in graphic settings whatsoever

both with and without fsr 3 frame gen

I don't think they cooked too much on sounds, just used pretty echo effect. but it feels refreshing enough to feel like something you never heard before

[night girder]

Huh, game looks interesting

Oh extraction shooter, nvm

[soft bloom]

so far, for me the biggest hook is that when going solo, you are more likely to meet friendly strangers and talk to them, then just get into pvp. but there are still rats and campers, which only gives value to every friendly encounter

[night girder]

Wonder if they gave up on Stalker 2. Updates didn't seem to fix problems.

Community still looks unhappy.

And patches are slowing down.

[soft bloom]

my thoughts exactly, until I tried.
as said before, that risk is paid off, despite ofcourse some toxic individuals

[night girder]

I am good.

[soft bloom]

oh, and pve enemies feel quite fresh. they behave 'alient' enough to not feel like your typical firing range dummies with all their movements in air and on the ground.
they don't take your regular 'behind the box' cover, instead just flying in air around. and they ones that don't move much are usually the ones that can get you down really fast

[pure karma]

4070ti had a good run it just had its first sign of vram failure 🫡

what is it with my gpu's and vram lol

[verbal raft]

it doesnt use UE5 features so it runs good and looks fine
tho it also uses casced shadows (like satisfactory) and you can really see the popping on those

their lighting solution also doesnt seem to work correctly at higher settings (doesnt look as good as it should AFAIK)

[night girder]

Am I the only one that doesn't like the auto exposure feature of UE?

It's when you go into a cave, everything turns dark, and then slowly starts to brighten up, as if your eyes need to "adjust".

Or vice versa, you go into a bright place, it gets very bright and then turns down.

[jagged snow]

Hmm
I really do like it in some cases

It makes environments feel very dynamic

[night girder]

In what cases? Specific games/genres? Or in specific places, going into a cave?

[pure karma]

i dont mind that effect but id only want it in a casual game

[jagged snow]

I really enjoy it in the Finals, specifically coming from indoors to outside

Just adds another element of strategy

[night girder]

👍

[soft bloom]

it can be meh. Nightingale seems to suffer from it, since it activated whenever you do 'glide' on umbrella which undersposes surroundings making it painful.
afair Talos Prinsiple 2 did custom solution for when stuff happens undeground on occasion

[thin trout]

It's awful, especially when there are bright things like mk.6 belts. You look near them, the whole screen darkens over several seconds. You look away, the opposite. Loads of eyestrain for no reason

the adjustment is both overly aggressive and way too slow

[dire igloo]

Only if it's cheaper.
Tho even 990 Evo may not be worthwhile for games

The difference between highend nvme and shitty SATA is minimal

[thin trout]

Depends on the game, and CPU

since a lot of loading is either CPU or storage bound to different degrees (e.g. a faster drive may help, but only with a cpu fast enough to keep up)

cheap sata drive not doing well here for example.

my g5 makes the yellow drive look bad too

Game loading is also often highly parallel, i.e. runs faster and is more storage bound on 16c32t than on 8c16t - even across CCX barriers, and to little cores.

[night girder]

Thanks all for feedback.

[dire igloo]

Point is: it's rarely worth it to pay $30 for 990 Pro over 990 Evo and even less so if you can save another $20 by going for smth like an NM790

With SSD, for gaming:
Least expensive that's not shit.
And then look a bit further if maybe there's a $10 upgrade from lower midrange to highend

These are just examples

SN7100 might be cheaper than all of them, maybe it's Biwin NV7400, etc

[thin trout]

Perhaps, i just disagree with this particular line > "The difference between highend nvme and shitty SATA is minimal".

I own and bench a spectrum of drives and frequently there's a 40-80% speedup on the G5 relative to 870 evo on game loading screen length, which in multiplayer games frequently has people asking "how the fuck are you loaded in / there already?".

Much less vs the decent NVME SSD's, like rocket 4.0 to G5 isn't a groundbreaking improvement - just a quite noticable one.

[dire igloo]

Question is: do you have a difference of minutes or mere seconds?

[thin trout]

It's seconds, but having a load time be 5 seconds instead of 9 is still notable (especially if you hit it a lot, like every few mins cycling in and out of a dungeon)

[dire igloo]

The chart I posted also has a 40% increase in load times from best to worst

[thin trout]

It has ~+30% between two tiers of drive that i have, however in other games and with better CPU/RAM (so drive limited, rather than CPU/RAM performance) the delta is closer to 3x that.

That particular game load in your chart looks more CPU/RAM bound than storage drive bound.. which is a thing that happens, pretty often in reality actually, it just doesn't reflect what the difference between the drives CAN be.

[night girder]

So far, UE5 can keep up with performance. My PC can't. Crashes a lot but 🤷‍♂️

The grass is doing my head in though, like I never noticed the culling mechanic. But now I am doing it myself, I noticed the culling mechanic so hard 🤣

[soft bloom]

Arc's machine learning movement system and ability to chip away their ability to move, resulting in quite unusual and unique movement patterns is something I didn't know i needed until I got it.
One of the things that would have never get approved by "efficient manager", but it feels so fresh compared to anything else. Hand animation would not come anywhere close.

[night girder]

Also, I know people don't like the lightning in UE5, I still think it's pretty dope. I haven't done much to lightning. Just place down trees and grass etc. UE5 does the rest.

I did disable shadows on the meshes.

[verbal raft]

dat shimmering

[sharp matrix]

well its running in the editor so to be expected, even the games builtin TAA at best of times has shimmering to, only real mitigation I found that ever worked was DLSS

[dire igloo]

Wastes an m.2 spot and you don't really gain anything.
With partitioning, you can just use the single 4tb drive as if it was two 2tb ones

And if you're concerned about protecting your data:
not even raid makes a viable backup.
no backup, no mercy.

[sharp matrix]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG4ektofzkI always spicy when the secret service gets involved

[full jewel]

Only If you Really need the throughput of both combined But also
Watch Out for your Bus Lanes
Not that If you Running 2x M.2 NVME 5.0
Your Gpu Drops To only x8 or even lower so watch out for that
if your Not Sure About What i am Talking About Send me an DM with ur Chosen Cpu + Motherboard and i can check it for you

[pure karma]

For speed yea but if its 2 separate partitions that wont ever write or read at the same time then it doesn’t really matter

I have no idea how my gpu is running 16x

i have 2 nvmes and a Ethernet card on an intel platform… i am literally asking for a lane shortage

[full jewel]

is The Etherente Car in your Pcie ?

[pure karma]

Yea

[full jewel]

And What Mainboard Do you Have?

[pure karma]

Cause the onboard one is dead

[full jewel]

Thats Sad

[pure karma]

Z790 UD AC with a 13700k

[full jewel]

Gigabyte Right?

[pure karma]

Yeep

[full jewel]

Okay so The Reason For yours Working is
you have Your Ethernet Card and The M.2 NVME SSD on Port M2Q_SB or M2P_SB are sharing 4 Lanes

wich Mainboard?

[full jewel]

But 8GB/s Should be Fine so you dont have to worry

yes

But Intel in this Economy?😂

Not Really As you can See All Ports Are Limited To x4

Me Personally I Would Go with 2x 2TB

yea
but If you Install Any Expansion Cards Remeber To Put it In E3
Otherwise your Gpu Will Cut to x8

3x PCIe x16 slots
PCI_E1 & PCI_E2 slots (From CPU)
Support PCIe 5.0
Support
x16/ x0,
x8/ x8

PCI_E3 slot (From Z690 Chipset)
Supports PCIe 3.0 x4

[soft bloom]

Oh, btw, how are pcie advancements going?

[twin dew]

Very likely that consumer systems will not get PCIe 6.0 in very long time.
Even PCIe 5.0 seems to mostly been step too far.

PCIe 7.0 has been ratified, 8.0 is planned for 2028.

PCIe 6.0 was released in 2022.

And switched from "simple" two-state signaling to PAM-4.

6.0 only moved to actual buyable hardware stage this year in server market.
And I would expect it to be very long time, if at all, for it to come to consumer systems because of all the extra problems with that PAM-4 signaling.

[thin trout]

PAM-4 at least means that the clock speeds can drop a lot for a given datarate

[night girder]

Aeryn.

Installed new PSU today . 10 minutes later crashed.

So it seems, you might be right 😛

[thin trout]

Great! What am i right about

my memory is extremely intermittent

[night girder]

Oh, maybe it was someone else.

[twin dew]

Basically kept the frequency same while doubling the actual usable data rate, after all the stuff they had to implement to keep it usable even with that PAM-4.

[night girder]

Ah it was dredgen appollo.

[thin trout]

Damnit

[night girder]

Sorry 😄

[thin trout]

I am more curious about what they are doing with DDR6.

DDR5 had a lot of teething problems, and then it hit a brick wall not even halfway through its scaling because the signal integrity is just not there.

Was supposed to be up to 8800 JEDEC, but they did maximum 5600. After that they pivoted to CUDIMM, which is only supported on some crap CPU's right now.. and only mitigates, not really fixes the issue. They got up to 6400. Still not great.

The spec VDDIO (voltage used to communicate from the CPU, to the memory) is 1.1v. We have to crank it up to 1.5 to get 8400 working without CUDIMM.

[twin dew]

Letterdief had noticed that the GPU and PSU were ticking at same rate, just before the swap...

[night girder]

Now I took at GPU fully.

Problem is, I opened game + UE5 and that mostly leads to a crash within a few minutes.

[twin dew]

So seems that the GPU VRM is doing something very weird and pulling current in very weird pulses...

[night girder]

On the iGPU, I cannot put same load 😕 But we'll see, I actually hope it crashes.
Then it means it's not GPU.

[night girder]

Isn't it theoritical possible, it's motherboard? 🤔 In the sense, who knows that motherboard is pulling wrong from GPU, or doing something the GPU doesn't like.

[twin dew]

At least with GPU, you could in theory take it to that computer store and get them to see if it ticks and/or crashes in another computer.

[night girder]

Crash isn't that easy to provoke. "Hey guys, if you install this game, on these settings, and then put game in background and hten open UE5..."

[twin dew]

Should have no real effect on the GPU power delivery / VRM side AFAIK.
Unless it would be putting the GPU to sleep and back constantly.

[twin dew]

But of course I cannot be sure about this.

[night girder]

Who can at this point.

Well any suggestion to replace a 6950XT with? 🤣

[twin dew]

Still in warranty?

[full jewel]

Whats your Budget?
and Cpu + Ram

[twin dew]

Because that "GPU is ticking (not whining), and causing two different PSUs to tick too, and the system is crashing" might actually be warrantiable level of detail already.

[night girder]

let me check.

[full jewel]

Gpu is Four years Old

[twin dew]

As in when 6950XT was released?
Because that doesn't matter, only when it was bought.

[night girder]

Nah, expired a few months ago lol @twin dew

[dire igloo]

Bruh, don't tell people to receive advice in DMs.
Also, there's Thriplerex's motherboard infosheet which covers lane sharing

[full jewel]

Yes but because of the Age i would have Said he Probably Bought it when it was New Or like One year old

[twin dew]

IIRC very near the end of sales.

[dire igloo]

6950xt was great value and common recommendation long after RDNA3 had been released

[night girder]

great value

[twin dew]

When working.

[night girder]

Well, PC hasn't crashed yet.

[night girder]

So what's todays recommendation? 😛 9070 XT?

[twin dew]

But based on various GN videos, the testing that card manufacturers do on finished cards seems to be very limited...
To level of short 3DMark run of some specific test and some FurMark for one maker for example.

[dire igloo]

Back in July of 2023, lol

[night girder]

I was just joking that I didn;'t have that experience 😉 To be fair, it did good. Graphics and FPS was what I needed.

[twin dew]

No wonder there are so many issues with current turbo/clock behavior being unstable in specific ranges etc.

[dire igloo]

Pretty much, yeah. 9070 too, maybe 5070 or 5070 ti, depending on market situation and usecase

[thin trout]

The moment they announced rdna3 with no tensor core equivelant i was like "yeah nope, don't touch radeon til they add one". It's coming on RDNA5 apparently

[twin dew]

Point was that not so great value when the specific card that Letterdief got was tiny bit faulty it seems.

But that could have happened with any card model.

[dire igloo]

Most of those recs were "good performance, good price, pick a good PSU and you should be fine"
You seem to have lost the silicon lottery, big time

[night girder]

Still a bit early to know for sure. But still didn't crash. No ticking sounds.

[thin trout]

It won't be silicon, sounds like some of the power circuitry in the card doing something very weird

if it happens on 2 known good psu's

[night girder]

Yeah.

[thin trout]

I would also suspect your house power. It's often an issue.

[night girder]

And it's power drawing, becvause now my PSU doesn't tick anymore.

[twin dew]

Well, one Seasonic Focus, and now another completely new PSU.

[night girder]

So GPU doing something that makes PSU (maybe even CPU?) tick. But CPU is close to GPU so my ears didn't know for sure

[twin dew]

Not been tested in another computer, so cannot be called "Known Good".

But getting two faulty PSUs from quality lines is very low chance.

[night girder]

Non of my other devices has issues.

[thin trout]

ye

[night girder]

I also have a plug with filtering on. If I put PC into that, doesn't matter.

[thin trout]

No devices have issues, and then one does. That's how it always must start 😄

i'm just saying, don't assume that it's 100% fine. If you test in another house and it behaves the same there, probably not the power.

[night girder]

Ok. But I have to make choices.
And figure it out.

[twin dew]

And if that is completely disconnected and not plugged in?
Because faulty device like that can affect the whole phase, even in other plugs or even behind other breakers.

[night girder]

Because after 2 years, I am nearing my limit.

Since I started to code in UE5, it crashes atleast once a day.

[twin dew]

If that filtering plug is faulty I mean.

[night girder]

I can put game in background + use UE5 because then it crashes in minutes.

I lost progress and code because of crash and corruption.

[night girder]

tested both.

So PC straight into wall -> crash.
PC into socket with filter -> crash.
PC into different socket -> crash.

[twin dew]

Computer behind filtering plug.
Computer not behind filtering plug, filtering plug connected to any wall outlet.
Computer not behind filtering plug, filtering plug disconnected from all outlets.

[night girder]

The filter plug I bought once the problems started.

[twin dew]

Ok.

[night girder]

And how can a filter plug affect the whole household?

If it's plugged into socket A, it shouldn't affect socket B in my house.

[full jewel]

Just Wanted To Help And i dont Know Who that Guy is It is Like minimum Knowledge for my Job But i Work Mainly with Servers And
More Network Hardware

[night girder]

It only filters electricity it's pulling in.

[full jewel]

I know But The Most People Bought it in that Timeline

[twin dew]

Like I said, can still affect the whole phase, anywhere in the house.
Which was why that third one was there.

With lesser effect for most part, but still with effect.

And any issues with house wiring would get magnified higher the power draw in the specific outlet/circuit is.
Where most high-power things like vacuum cleaners etc. don't care anywhere near as much as PC would.

[dire igloo]

I've checked the pcpp server, 6950xt was recommended in US PC builds as recent as July 2023.
So a little over 2.5 years is not unrealistic

[twin dew]

But much lower probability at this point, just as theoretical possibilities.

[full jewel]

I know But still Out of Warranty right Because afaik it is 2 years At least In Europe

[dire igloo]

Thriplerex is one of the most knowledgeable tech people I know and he's created mainboard infosheets for multiple sockets - tho apparently not for lga1700, so nvm
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/1NQHkDEcgDPm34Mns3C93K6SJoBnua-x9O-y_6hv8sPs/htmlview?pru=AAABmpzq6AA*EMVqpZGV9gUJrwAwGXW1tA

[dire igloo]

2 years legal minimum in most of Europe, but some manufacturers offer longer warranties

[night girder]

9070 XT it is then. If needed.

[full jewel]

I have taken A Look at it But isnt really Usefull for me as he doesnt have Server MOBO´s aswell

[full jewel]

yea But after one Year there is Somthing Called Reversal of the burden of proof
and in this Case It Gets Hard

[full jewel]

For what do you use Your Gpu Mainly

[dire igloo]

Yeah, it's mostly a tool for community advisors, less so for business use

[full jewel]

Yep

[dire igloo]

Tho I guess wrx80 and w790 are somewhat server-y

[dire igloo]

Getting a display output /j

[full jewel]

not In The Spec I would Need Them

[night girder]

I was also thinking this. But not a bad question. Maybe I render in Blender a lot 😛

[full jewel]

Because I would Actually go for an RtX 5070 if it would be for Gaming

Because You save Almost 100€ and have close to the same Power if not Better
Yes, you get less Vram but It should not be Noticeable

[twin dew]

Why do you capitalize completely random words?

[full jewel]

My God dam Keyboard Broke after nearly 12 years so my Caps Lock suddenly comes on and off and some Keys dont Register the Types

And i am Fed Up with Correcting it

[twin dew]

Wouldn't always be first letter of word.

[full jewel]

Some How yes Because it Seems to be Connected To The Space bar

[night girder]

Oh, you right there is 90 euro price difference between them.

[full jewel]

yes not Much Perfomance Diffrence and In my opinion Better Driver

[twin dew]

Not since Nvidia started to use AI to "help" with driver development...

The various problems during this year have been legendary.

[full jewel]

yea i noticed that Too but i dont really have had any Issues

[night girder]

Ok, I am thinking.

1. I can go to a local PC shop, explain my situation, and ask if they have a spare GPU I could borrow to see if that's the issue. I highly doubt it they will help me out.
   As Baldur suggested, I can also ask them if they can stress test the GPU somehow to see if it crashes.

2. If those two options are not possible. It can be CPU/Motherboard/RAM/GPU. With the main suspect the GPU.
   The CPU is replaced a year back, but I think Baldur once mentioned that if motherboard/bios is fucked, it will keep fucking up every CPU I put in.

3. I can also leave on this system for a few days to see if it crashes. If it does, it's not the GPU.

[full jewel]

We have One Rig Running AMD Graphics And Nobody wants to touch it because it is Hell It Has the Most Downtime And the Most Power draw(This Supprised me aswell)

[dire igloo]

Proof for 5070 being equivalent to 9070xt?
Cuz 3dcenter has it a lot closer to 5070ti

[night girder]

AI.

[full jewel]

User Benchmark
is in my Opinion Beter than 3dCenter but i have Only Looked At that

[dire igloo]

Ah yes. 24% = "close to the same"

[dire igloo]

Holy fucking shit no

UBM is anything but accurate

3dcenter launch analysis is miles more accurate

[twin dew]

UBM is complete joke.

[dire igloo]

3dcenter.org/artikel/launch-analyse-geforce-rtx-5070-vs-radeon-rx-9070-xt/rtx5070-9070xt-seite2

Site doesn't work on mobile btw

[twin dew]

The UBM owner has some kind of personal issue with AMD, and does anything he can to make AMD look worse.

[full jewel]

I have Found it More Reliable Again im 99% using it For ServerHardware

[night girder]

Sorry Fireworker.

I didn't turn it around. Wait. Look

now it's 7%

[dire igloo]

More reliable than what?
Cuz Passmark also sucks ass

[night girder]

So RTX is better. Unless if you ask if XT is better than RTX, then XT Is better,.

[twin dew]

So comparing anything AMD to anything not AMD with UBM is not usable.

And the tweaking made to the stuff to make AMD look bad causes the tests to have issues with everything else too.

[full jewel]

Typical AI

[night girder]

Can someone remember what sources are we allowed to use again for comparrison?

Because I know people have opinions in here what not to use. But I forgot.

[jagged snow]

For consumer GPUs?

[night girder]

Because that's from techspot, cost per frame. They tested 50 games or something they say. Data is also available.

[jagged snow]

Yep
If you find 5070ti and 9070xt at the same price or within 60 euro of each other, go with the 5070ti

[night girder]

Shit is going crazy, AMD CPU with Nvidia GPU. What can go wrong.

[jagged snow]

Lol

[full jewel]

Same Here Working Completly Fine

[night girder]

And yes, 5070 is about 90 euro cheaper than 9070 XT.

Depending on brand, model ofc.

[twin dew]

At least Nvidia doesn't nerf stuff in their driver anymore when AMD GPU driver is also detected as installed, like they did at one point.

[night girder]

Just as comparrison.

[full jewel]

Yes Thats Also True But there Were Some Workarounds at that Point

[night girder]

You really don't like Nvidia do you 😛

[twin dew]

Nope, they are horrible company that does anything to keep/get monopoly.
For 15+ years now.

[night girder]

Sound a bit more based on emotions than rationality.

[full jewel]

Look On NBB
NotebooksBilliger.de
For

MSI GeForce RTX 5070 12G VENTUS 2X OC

[night girder]

Didn't GN just release a video about the shady stuff AMD is doing? Something related to warfare, I haven't watched it yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG4ektofzkI

[twin dew]

That was about Nvidia.
AMD one earlier was about the driver support level drop with RDNA 1/2.

[night girder]

Ah, yeah Nvidia 🤣

[twin dew]

Basically Nvidia is very anti-consumer, and has tried to get full control over card manufacturing partners, reviews etc. for very long time.

And then all the other stuff on top.

And then the stuff like that old "We disable HW PhysX support if there is also AMD GPU" thing they had for long time etc.

[night girder]

Yeah, but in this situation. What would you do? Pay extra 90 euro maybe for a AMD GPU so you don't have to go with cheaper and more efficient 5070 because it's Nvidia?

[full jewel]

Or ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 5070 SOLID OC

[night girder]

Are you just linking cheap GPU's? Or do you actually know those brand + models and their performance/quality?

[twin dew]

Up to you.
Like you said, I personally have major issues on how Nvidia works and would basically never buy their products for myself.
Cannot make the same decision for anyone else, not my place.

I can raise the points and let the actual buyer decide.

[full jewel]

i Have Actually Build Two Pcs Where One has the Msi and The Other has the ZOTAC
And they are running Totaly Fine

[night girder]

Do you got a spare GPU to sell to me? Then I am not making AMD or Nvidia rich, but you!

[twin dew]

Not anything usable for gaming today.

RX580 for example doesn't count, and that is still in use for now.
RX280 is the first actually unused card I have that I got from friend.

[night girder]

You know, the more I think, the more I think it might be GPU.

Altough the only thing I can't explain is... how the hell the CPU switch. Improved the stability of the system a bit.

I am going to stop thinking about it, my heads starts to spin.

[full jewel]

I have an Geforce GT 710
and an Radeon R9 270X

[pure karma]

i have my 1660S that i kinda want to keep

[full jewel]

Both not able to run anything today except My Home Seerver

[full jewel]

Keep It I Loved That One

[pure karma]

but i do have a intel motherboard you can have if you come pick it up 🤣

[night girder]

Poor IGPU 🤣

[pure karma]

i do too cause its tiny but its dying

total vram faillure prettymuch

[full jewel]

Shit

[night girder]

Ok, cheers. That doesn't tell me much though 😄

[twin dew]

Actually exact same models, or just something completely different from same manufacturer?

[pure karma]

it gets good 3Dmark scores tho cause it renders none of the textures and still passes cause it dosent crash lmao

but it only actually works at idle

as soon as the vram has any kind of load it just entirely corupts

[full jewel]

Only Real Diffrences Is 2 and 3 fan

[neat pine]

Any chess analysts here? I have banksia ui running stockfish 17.1 and it's really struggling to find a very long forced mate, any different engines you would recommend to try that might use different tactics to reach the solution?

[twin dew]

So at least completely different cooler, even if using same PCB.
So completely different card for most purposes.

[night girder]

welcome to the chat Wilko 🤣 Precise is precise. Right is right.

I must say, visually, that zotac looks pleasing. And that says jackshit about hardware quality ofc

[full jewel]

Yes As in Most Cards Okay so the Zotac has An Storageconnection of 256 Bit and the Msi one only 192 Bit a bit Bigger PCB Same TDP
Same Clock Speeds As Both Are The OC Version and same Bandwith
any Other Questions?

[twin dew]

For same GPU, the memory bus is same width.

[full jewel]

As you can see in the Datasheet its is Not

[twin dew]

And Nvidia wouldn't allow for change.
And you wouldn't get same bandwidth with same frequency if it was different.

Also you couldn't get same amount of VRAM either.

[full jewel]

Okay, Then Msi has Made an Mistake on Their Data Sheet

But it is aswell another Grapics Chip Indeed
MSI = GB203-400-A1
Zotac = GB205-300

[twin dew]

Or you are looking at completely different GPU by mistake.

[full jewel]

MSI GeForce RTX 5070 12G VENTUS 2X OC
ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 5070 SOLID OC

[twin dew]

GB203-400 is RTX 5080
GB205-300 is RTX 5070

[full jewel]

Somehow Msi Says Otherwise

[night girder]

Trust me, those store specs are not to be trusted.

I found a few mistakes in the past and discussed them with Baldur.

[twin dew]

And that is completely random stores "specs", not the manufacturers specs.

[night girder]

I prefer going direct to brand itself to get speccs. (MSI in this case).

Some store let users set specs. Some store have automatic spec tools prone to little woopsies.
Or its all done manually, still prone to woopsies.

[full jewel]

Sorry My Mistake They Are Exactly The Same

[night girder]

Wilko, thanks for your thoughts* though. Appreciated.

[twin dew]

Also, all RTX 5070:s have 192 bit memory bus.
Reason for that 12GB of VRAM.
32 bits per chip, 6 chips, 2GB of VRAM per chip.

The actual spec pages from the manufacturers for those two cards:
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-Card/GeForce-RTX-5070-12G-VENTUS-2X-OC/Specification
https://www.zotac.com/fi/product/graphics_card/zotac-gaming-geforce-rtx-5070-solid-oc-0#spec

[full jewel]

I am on the Sites Right Now looking at it Feeling Dumb my bad

[twin dew]

But GB(2) is the chip generation/family.
(2)03 and (2)05 are the dies.
-400 and -300 are binnings of the die.
How many of the functional blocks in the die are actually active and not disabled by Nvidia.

[night girder]

Why are you having these talks? 😄

In the end benchmarks are the best tool we have no?

Oh you comparing two Nvidia models. Sorry Baldur.

[twin dew]

Yeah, trusted reviewer made benchmarks.

And that last -A1 was die revision, that was missing from the 5070 die name.

[night girder]

Shit, GN uses TI version lol.

nvm. He also used normal 5070.

On the one hand it's impressive it's so close to a 5070 TI for this game*.

On the other hand, it's not that much better than the normal 5070.

TI's are still pricey afaik.

[dire igloo]

Most of the stuff you see on 3dcenter
Otherwise, this - but it's incomplete and more handwavy than I'd like to
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hLYzW9wn_CwUULYESH_M7M111kjY6o3SPPO1dP-Ibbo/edit?tab=t.0

[night girder]

Thanks David.

I am just going over GN data as we speak. I know that's "ok" data to go on.

wait Techspot is solid testing.

[dire igloo]

Gamer's Nexus is good, but they only have data on singular games, not averages

Ideally, you'd use aggregates/averages across multiple reviewers

[jagged snow]

Anyone having issues with the cloudflare dashbaord this morning?

[night girder]

Because I was reading this: www.techspot.com/review/3044-nvidia-rtx-5070-vs-amd-radeon-9070-dlss-fsr/

and though it wasn't trustworthy.

At first glance over the data, I think Wilko made good call.

[twin dew]

That is non-XT RX 9070?

[dire igloo]

9070 non-XT ≈ 5070
9070 XT ≈ 5070 Ti

[night girder]

Sorry my bad. Wrong URL.

[dire igloo]

With each AMD option being slightly better in raw faster fps than the Nvidia counterpart

[night girder]

www.techspot.com/review/2991-amd-radeon-9070-xt-vs-nvidia-rtx-5070/

That one is correct. It has price table at end I screenshotted before.

[twin dew]

When not using too heavy RT either.

So AMD advantage for most part in pure rasterization, Nvidia advantage in RT and/or upscaling.
With FSR4 closing the gap to large extent in upscaling visual quality, but with much smaller game support pool.

[night girder]

Why do I have a feeling this game is heavily optimized for Nvidia

[dire igloo]

This is my almanac

[thin trout]

nvidia reflex is also supported in 150+ games including satisfactory, while radeon equivelant is in about 20

[night girder]

or atleast the RT part is optimized for black myth wukong.

[twin dew]

That was the RT test, higher is the non-RT in same game.

[night girder]

Look Baldur at the data.

[dire igloo]

Thing is: prices change constantly.
You can't rely on value calculations done with release pricing.
And iirc they don't have an automatic synchronization with current pricing

[night girder]

AMD is better for EVERYTHING almost. ANd then look again at black myth wukong.

Where AMD is suddenly losing way more frames and Nvidia is the better deal.

[twin dew]

Yeah, but that line you pointed at the Black Myth Wukong RT test.
Near top is Black Myth Wukong without RT.

[night girder]

even the 5070 is better haha

[sharp matrix]

Well software optimizations for cuda are definitely a thing and this is likely the reason

[night girder]

That's why I said. I think the game is more* optimized for Nvidia.

[dire igloo]

Btw, 3dcenter collects the data from several reviewers when making their launch analysis.
So that data you posted is also included in the data I posted

And with pricing not being consistent, I'd rather look at the more broadly sourced data

[dire igloo]

You're posting RT data

[night girder]

Yeah, I know price says not much,.

[jagged snow]

And nvidia specifically designed rt tools to be needlessly heavy and less compatible with general rt hardware in order to give their cards a partially artificial advantage

[sharp matrix]

Sadly Nvidia is known for working specifically with game developers for optimizations and optimizing driving to deliver the highest possible performance, making gaming not exactly a even playing field

[night girder]

but I manually checked GPU and 5070 is cheaper than 9070 XT, and if ratio/price difference stayed the same, price per fps should also.

[dire igloo]

Value calculations are only as good as their price data

[sharp matrix]

Some games are worse examples in terms of how optimizations unfortunately do happen for specific gpu architectures

[twin dew]

Basically need to always be redone by yourself at current prices to be any use.

[sharp matrix]

its not necessarily a bad thing mind you, but its sad optimizations dont happen to the same degree for all hardware, but what can one do

[dire igloo]

9070xt is 23% faster than 5070 in 1080p raster and 20% in UHD raster
(no RT data)

[dire igloo]

This.

[night girder]

Fireworker.

[twin dew]

Nvidia has often intentionally cripled performance on anything that isn't their own latest gen.
Even if that also kind of cripled their own latest cards, just to not same extent as anything else.

[night girder]

you are correct. But you forget to mention. IOt;'s also 100 euro more expensive,.

[twin dew]

When working with game devs.

[night girder]

RTX 5070 = 550 +-
9070 XT = 650 +-
RTX 5070 TI = 799 +-

[dire igloo]

On average, across several games tested by several reviewers.
At launch.

Quality of driver updates can change this

[night girder]

That's why Wilko said. 9070XT is a little better, but 100 euro more expensive.

So a better value/performance would be RTX 5070.

[dire igloo]

18.2% higher price

20% higher performance

Where's 9070 non-XT?

[dire igloo]

Do not mix up 9070 and 9070 xt

[night girder]

I am not. Just forgotten to type it out😄

[dire igloo]

They're as comparable as 5070 and 5070 Ti

[twin dew]

And this has for some part been true for most RT implementations Nvidia has "helped" with.

[night girder]

But yeah. we going circles haha 😄

[dire igloo]

It's important to make that distinction

[dire igloo]

Wilko also used UBM as a source for performance data

[dire igloo]

You get more fps per Euro if you go 9070xt instead of 5070, based on your price data and 3dcenter's launch analysis

Which also means: if AMD had better driver updates than Nvidia, this gap has actually grown

[night girder]

mhhh... the one thing I liked about the Nvidia switch is. AMD drivers are also ruled out as culprit. 🤣

[full jewel]

Also 5070 250W TDP
RX 9070XT 304W TDP

[dire igloo]

#off-topic-tech message

[night girder]

Not a problem. I prepared for that.

Since I bought new PSU, I added some extra power 😉

Knowing full well, it could be the GPU down the line. So I prepared for it 🤣

[dire igloo]

21.6% higher power draw
Consistent with the performance gain

[full jewel]

But Long Term Power Consumption May Also Raise The Price And more Power Means More heat

[dire igloo]

But yeah, it'll increase your power bill

[night girder]

I was already using a 6950 XT 🤷‍♂️

and leaving my system on 24/7 to test stability.

While you are technically correct.

[dire igloo]

What's current pricing per kWh? 30ct?
So for 20h of running at tdp, you save 30ct

[night girder]

I think that ship has set sail long ago for me. I am wasting energy with this system as if it's nothing.

[dire igloo]

More heat means you save money on heating

[night girder]

Fireworker, don't even worry about it. It doesn't apply to me.

[full jewel]

Thats One way to see that

[dire igloo]

I just hate it when people give bad or misleading advice

[night girder]

Well, they are not wrong are they?

More power, more electric consumption, higher electricity bill.

If it's only 0.1 cent more expensive, they are technically correct 😛

[dire igloo]

You still pay an electricity bill and you'll still have a hotter room in summer
There is still some amount of care relevant here, even with a strong PSU

[dire igloo]

It's misleading if they use that as reasoning to justify buying a worse value GPU

[twin dew]

Valve releasing more hardware:
Computer: https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steammachine
New VR set: https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamframe
New different gamepad: https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamcontroller

[night girder]

mod3rat0r bot is spamming, oh wait it was baldur. 🤣

[dire igloo]

1.5ct per hour of high load operation

Assuming 50w difference in power consumption and 30ct/kWh

[twin dew]

Too bad I cannot prevent the snippets before they are added when they are useless.

[full jewel]

i wish i had 30ct Kw/h😂

[dire igloo]

You mean the embeds?
You can use <> around the link to kill embeds

[twin dew]

Ah, ok.