off-topic-tech

[visual tree]

It holds the record for the smallest actual phone

[night girder]

I do a lot in the name of science, but this is where I draw the line 🤣

[visual tree]

https://youtu.be/NqJUBFbivc4

[night girder]

if you press the 5 button you get 123456789 xD

are you old enough to even have used such a phone?

where you had to tap the numbers x times to get certain letters.

[visual tree]

I read Snowden's book and I remember he managed to transfer data outside NSA by copying data to microsd card and then hiding it under his tongue

Not sure if that's actually true though

[night girder]

Now everybody at NSA has to stick their tongue out when they enter or leave the building and all think "thanks snowden" 🤣

[dire igloo]

as is this

[night girder]

There is only one true burner phone. And that are these. 👆

[visual tree]

Hell, some airplane companies even denied flight if you carried Galaxy Note 7

[night girder]

Oh, I am missing something here? Do they make airplanes crash?

[visual tree]

Battery issues which caused spontaneous explosions

[pure karma]

catch on fire probably?

[night girder]

You know, honestly, I would rather train a hawk to follow me arround to send messages 🤣

When the whole world starts to focus on technology (electricity based btw), maybe we have to take a few steps back and look into history for solutions.

Because I am pretty sure, nobody is monitoring birds carrying messages over borders

Drawback, your parents will get the messages you have arrived safely X days later after you send it.

I got the solution @visual tree.

So don't buy a burner phone. Buy a good bird. Then when you travel. Attach the phone to the bird and send it to country you want to go too.
Get over the border. Call you bird. Get your phone.

[visual tree]

[night girder]

Just make sure you put it in airplane mode when you attach it to the bird 🤣

[visual tree]

Don't tell border patrol or they'll start using scanners on birds entering country

If there is a reliable technology to detect electronics on flying birds, that is

Although it would be suspicious if your phone had a sim card and they noticed low altitude device crossing border where there is no checkpoint

Not sure if airplane mode actually protects phone from being detected

[cyan crescent]

I kinda hope that when am6 releases, amd doesnt make the ihs as thick as they did with am5

[jagged snow]

I must say, I'm absolutely thrilled with my experience daily driving linux

I have genuinely had fewer issues with this setup than the most recent windows install I did

[bronze jasper]

happy you lucked out. just like windows, the experience can be hit or miss for people.

[twin dew]

If the agents don't believe it is your real phone, they might hold you indefinitely with no right or access to lawyer, or just send you back.

Just not having common service social media accounts at all has been enough for that.

[bronze jasper]

believe it or not, straight to jail

[twin dew]

Jail would be improvement over ICE/border control holdup.

[thin trout]

Yeah, US is one of those countries that you can't go to (or pass through) without risking life/liberty. Even if you do everything by the books they can and will ruin your trip and sometimes your life because they feel like it, and everybody else in government is cheering it on.

It's been awful since before i was born but accelerated downhill after 2016

[twin dew]

And unlike almost all other countries, in US airports, when just passing through you still have to go through passport control and customs etc.
And cannot just exit to international side and stay there until your next flight.

[dire igloo]

I've seen a story about German tourists who were visiting Hawaii.
They planned a road trip, so they didn't pre-book hotels for every night of their vacation (cuz they didn't know when they'd be staying where).

They got held up in border control detention and treated no better than actual prisoners with cell conditions that are active safety hazards

[thin trout]

and sexually assaulted

[dire igloo]

When I flew to Ireland from Düsseldorf Airport, there was a designated departure and border control area for specifically US travelers

[dire igloo]

Missed that, but I'm not surprised to hear it

[dire igloo]

And border control was easy as shit.
Place passport on scanner, look into camera, done.
I've spent more time with the airport security check alone than I did waiting for and going through border control

(Granted, the Schengen Agreement helped A LOT)

[twin dew]

Point was that US airports don't have "international" areas, only domestic.
So pass-through people have to go through customs, pick up their hold luggage, deliver it back to airline, and pass through security.
Instead of just exiting the plane to international side, staying there, and boarding next plane.

So even if you are just flying from EU to Canada/Mexico etc. with plane change in US, you will need to enter US fully.

While in most other countries, you never "enter" that country, just stay in international area in the airport.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, figured as much

Sounds dumb tbh.
Only reason I can see for doing that is if you don't trust the other countries to do proper airport security - and not specific countries, every single other country on earth

[twin dew]

No, just result from how US airports are operated, with per aircarrier gates, instead of just a pool that the airport allocates dynamically.
And the "low" amount of international flights compared to domestic flights.
So they just don't bother.

[dire igloo]

True

US train network

[night girder]

I told him not to do it.

anyone got source with real PSU reviews?

https://spiritfader.github.io/Buying-Guide/psu was reading that and wanted to check reviews.

[dire igloo]

Tom's Hardware, Cybenetics

[night girder]

I though Tom was a no-go.

Cybenetics seems nice on first sight.

[dire igloo]

Basically anything reviewed by Aristeidis Bitziopoulos (most people just call him Aris)

[dire igloo]

They're not great for most reviews because their methodology generally lacks depth.
However, their PSU reviews were written by Aris for a long time, who is basically THE most renowned PSU reviewer out there

[night girder]

Because on the subject of PSU's my tweaker website said no. We don't do that. We don't have the lab/money for it 🤣 Wich is fair they admit it.

[dire igloo]

They execute their methodology quite well, but for basically anything that isn't PSU, it's just not as thorough as other reviewers.

I wouldn't call TH bad for that reason, I just prefer other testers to them

[night girder]

but then they still have a best buy guide with recommendation 🙄 with no tests.

[dire igloo]

There's a reviewers Index here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1eL0893Ramlwk6E3s3uSvH1_juom7SMG5SCNzP2Uov8w/htmlview#gid=1812634883

But their database is several years out of date now

[night girder]

Oh we got ATX 3.1 now. Think mine is 3.0 still.

Ah, ofc. The the burning GPU's 🤣

[dire igloo]

There's been a revival of that list from some community members, but the affiliation with ZTT and the usage of reflinks is a turnoff
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview#gid=1719706335

And they're not actually reviewers, they just collect review data and use it for tiering

[dire igloo]

Wasn't 12V-2x6 the connector used on 3090 without the sense pins?

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

The reasoning is, sense pin detect cable losening up, and shuts down GPU if that happens.
So the cable can't melt on bad/not full contact with GPU, in theory.

[twin dew]

Yes, that was rev 0.
Then 12HWPR with sense pins is rev 1.
And 12V-2x6 is rev 2.

Where the pin dimensions and tolerances were changed to try to make sure the sense pins connect only after the main pins.

Which that rev 1 didn't guarantee.

[night girder]

And the hold up time changed.

Measured in milliseconds, hold-up time indicates how long a PSU can sustain its output within specified voltage limits after a loss or drop in input power. ATX 3.1 features a shorter hold-up time of 12ms, compared to ATX 3.0's 17ms hold-up time. This results in a small improvement in the PSU's efficiency.

2ms change

[twin dew]

So Rev 0 without senses was Nvidia only.
Rev 1 was the first standardized version, with sense pins added, but with stupid design.
And that 12V-2x6 then tried to fix that stupid while maintaining backwards compatibility by changing things in minor ways.

[night girder]

I am lost in the excel, I got a Focus GX-750, but it isn't white.

And the white one is AT 2?

[twin dew]

Two revisions, ATX 3.0 and ATX 3.1.

With same name.

[night girder]

and neither is it 3.1, because the 3.1 is from 2024 and I bought this one in 2023.

Also, what's inrush current?

[twin dew]

Ah, sorry, the original Focus GX was just 2.x.

[twin dew]

How much current the PSU pulls when plugged in/turned on in the back.

When it fills all the capacitors etc. on the AC side.

[night girder]

I am unsure what ATX mine is now haha

[twin dew]

If not limited, the current draw is insane.

[night girder]

On the box: ATX 12V EPS 12V

[twin dew]

ATX 2.x, no connector on the PSU for the 12V-2x6 or similar:

ATX 3.1, has that on right in the image:

[night girder]

What?

Oh I see it now.

[twin dew]

Also the fan grill completely changed, old version left, 3.1 version right:

[night girder]

I got the left one.

[twin dew]

But even if your issue is the PSU, you could almost certainly get another identical one and it would work fine.

[night girder]

I got 10 years warranty* they say on the box

Man, this box has so much dust on it haha. I don't even know why I keep this crap.

"Oh I might use it in the future, better leave it in the box"

[visual tree]

You stole my PSU. I got the same exact model bought in 2022

[pure karma]

mine is idc because its not on fire yet

[visual tree]

Planned to buy 650W version but 750W was the same price so I bought 750W version instead

[pure karma]

atleast in the box the thing your storing dosent get covered in random elements like dust nearly as much

[dire igloo]

ATX 3.x specification requires 12vhpwr/12v-2x6

3.x meaning either 3.0 or 3.1

[thin trout]

3.0 is a stricter (better, but more expensive) standard than 3.1

[thin trout]

no, 3080 and 3090 used pci-e 8 pins.

3090ti came later and used 12vhpwr v1, but had current balancing.

4000 series removed that balancing.

[dire igloo]

So yours is the first of the three.
It's not white and it's not v4 - there's also v3 but it's not been conclusively rated, so you won't see it in the main list, only the full list.
But your PSU isn't v3 either

[dire igloo]

yeah, you're right. Tho the 3090 FE also used the 12-pin connector

[thin trout]

my bad in that case, thought all 3090's didn't 😄

[dire igloo]

It wasn't 12vhpwr either tho cuz it didn't have sense pins yet

Yeah, FE was the only one

[thin trout]

weird frankenstein connector

[dire igloo]

3090 ti had it across the board

[thin trout]

proper 12vhpwr with sense pins and current balancing

[dire igloo]

Yep

Except for one

FE again with that 12-pin thingy

Rest had proper 12vhpwr

And I just generalized all aib designs based on Nvidia's bullshit

[thin trout]

spec assumes that equal amount of current will go through each cable, which can be true, but it very often isn't. Some cables often end up taking 30% or even 50% or more higher current than the mean

and then they melt things

and it's a catastrophic, cascading failure

[night girder]

How is 3.0 more expensive and better than 3.1. Shouldn't it be reversed?

Since they promised 3.1 is more efficient, and safer.

[thin trout]

they made 3.1 to reduce cost

reducing holdup time for example makes the PSU slightly more efficient, but also makes it perform worse. It's not actually a good thing.

[night girder]

Well, that's not what the brands tell consumers on their webpages. I posted what they said. Efficiency and safety. Picture is about the pins to detect lose power connector. And the other argument I found was new "hold up time" for 3.1.

[thin trout]

Yes, 3.1 has a worse hold up time

[night girder]

I see.

So they pitch* it as a "pro" but it's actually a "con".

[dire igloo]

Do you really think a PSU maker will tell you "our PSUs are 3.1 compliant because it's easier to achieve than 3.0 compliance"?

[thin trout]

basically yes. It's not better in absolutely every way, but longer holdup time is an intentional design choice which makes the PSU more resilient against power or voltage drops. Like, they can tolerate a larger or longer brownout without shutting down your system.

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

Is it too much to ask for the truth when buying stuff?

[dire igloo]

It's a looser spec to make it more accessible - btw, there still are PSUs which advertise 3.x but fail to comply

[night girder]

If I read a spec sheet, I am not thinkin "Oh, half of these data is probably bullshit PR stuff".

[night girder]

To me, that doesn't sound bad.

[thin trout]

"Picture is about the pins to detect lose power connector. "

which pic?

[night girder]

👆

[dire igloo]

Well, if every brand is lying, you're gonna deter customers if you're honest.
So you just lie too.

And let's be real - who's gonna find out anyway, right?
Just some nerds living in their parents basement who make up maybe 1% of your customers

[thin trout]

Saying that 3.0 can stay powered on in worse conditions, because it has a larger buffer basically. The 3.1 standard doesn't mandate that buffer being as big, because bigger buffers are more expensive.

But a company will 100% flip that around and say "it's 0.1% more efficient!" because.. it is. But it's doing a vital job which just happens to cause a marginal efficiency loss.

[dire igloo]

Just look at monitor response timey

[night girder]

Well there might be issues with systems turning off you know without a clear reason to consumer/user. And this could be related.

[pure karma]

unfortunately thats becoming the case

[thin trout]

Yes, in two houses i have had multiple PC's running and certain PSU's would shut down if they were loaded during a brief power blip that made the lights dim, while others with better PSU's would not. That's down to the hold up time being longer (which it is, 3.0 longer than 3.1).

Atm i still have a router that can't survive those blips which is annoying because it drops internet for a minute every now and then, but the PC PSU's that i run can handle it np.

[night girder]

It's not that they are being transparant with actual fixes either, because the means admitting making a mistake in the first place.

Look as Assrock and their bios updates.

[night girder]

I could have potential the same issue. We're not 100% sure yet. Something could be off when system goes in sleep states with PSU. Anyway, that's why I said that it did sound interesting to me.

[dire igloo]

Wdym "that's becoming the case"?
It's been like this since pre COVID, it's just getting worse as enshittification continues

[thin trout]

modern AMD CPU's shut down the system if they detect uncorrectable errors, which can happen from the RAM or in the interconnect or in cores.

[night girder]

Nah, Baldur been on the case with me for two years. We eliminated those suspects at the start of trouble shooting. Always possible the issue creeped up afterwards.

[dire igloo]

Worse. They're not transparent about any part swap in general.
If they fixed it like P-GM v2, great.
But most of the time, it's an actual downgrade like Thermaltake GX2

Same for SSDs

[dire igloo]

Do we have third party confirmation on the alleged current spike issues by now?

[night girder]

People's connectors were burning up. Either they did some fixes (3.1) to solve it for legal issues. Either is cutting costs at their end. Or maybe a bit of both.

[dire igloo]

most 3.0 PSUs should've switched to the reworked 12vhpwr by now

[night girder]

same stuff, CPU's dying on reddit.

So not sure if the CPU's are still dying because they ran too long in unfavorable bios settings.

Or Assrock still has an issue.

[pure karma]

thats what intel degredation was for ages so i dont see confirmation coming any time soon

[night girder]

People go hard after this stuff.

(reddit)

A 9800x3D died 21 hours ago. I don't know. The assrock reddit is just a bunch of dead hardware and new builds.

More, or so it feels to me, then when I scroll over the feed of other brands.

[pure karma]

"here we see a miniscule particle of some mystery matter made by the fusion of the cpu socket melting" kind of image

[thin trout]

most 3.0 PSUs should've switched to the reworked 12vhpwr by now

They haven't changed anything on the PSU or cable side for 12vhpwr. 3.0 and 3.1 are identical on that front.

They revised the connector on the graphics card side, either your graphics card has it or it doesn't. All 5000 series cards do. Some 4000.

[night girder]

What? Let me double check.

[thin trout]

For the connector, specifically.

[night girder]

Making amends on the flaws, the new 12V-2x6 connector is designed with longer conductor terminals (12V and ground) for improved conductivity, as well as shorter sense pins.

[thin trout]

Yep. That's the graphics card side

[night girder]

The shorter sense pins allow your GPU to now shut off if the connection comes loose.

Ah cool. That wasn't clear to me.

[thin trout]

Well, technically the connection port could be different on some PSU's, but: the cable is identical, and the PSU isn't mandated to use any 12vhpwr port

The biggest vendors for example actually feed the 12vphwr (graphics side) with 8-pins on the PSU, and always have

[twin dew]

Those are the ATX 2.4 PSUs with just quick fix cable.
All the actual ATX 3.0/ATX3.1 PSUs have the same connector on the PSU side too.

[thin trout]

No they don't. Some of the most popular units in the world are 3.0 / 3.1 without them.

[twin dew]

Show one that doesn't, and is actually ATX 3.x?

[night girder]

I have to go for a bit. Will read up when I get back.

[thin trout]

https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/p/psu/cp-9020253-uk/rm1000x-shift-80-plus-gold-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020253-uk

do you see link

[night girder]

I love the new bot. Yeah, link still up.

[thin trout]

It just complains at us 😄

[twin dew]

Ok, I'm corrected.
Corsair does say it is ATX 3.1 PSU but uses classic plugs on PSU side, so the actual sense pins don't work "right".

[night girder]

It is a UK PSU, all good 👍 (joking 🙈)

[thin trout]

They still do work AFAIK

but i am not sure of the details

I believe it's the safest approach regardless, since there is only 1 dodgy connector rather than having it at both ends.. although it doesn't seem to massively help

[twin dew]

Basically pulled to ground by the cable, using the classic sense grounds.
But that means that the cable determines the max wattage, not the PSU side.

[thin trout]

Yeah they ship the cable with the PSU specifically

[twin dew]

So the cable is probably wired so that single PSU side connector each pulls one sense to ground.

So if one connector is plugged on PSU side, the card reads either 300W limit, or 450W limit, depending which one is plugged, and if both are, then 600W limit.

Sense0 GND, Sense1 Open is 300W
Sense0 Open, Sense1 GND is 450W.
Sense0 GND, Sense1 GND is 600W.

I really wouldn't call that working as intended for the sense pins.

[thin trout]

I don't think they work at all unless the cable is fully plugged in

[twin dew]

Would need active electronics in the cable.

[thin trout]

at the very least it's explicit in saying that it must be plugged in

[dire igloo]

My favorite "fix" from the PSU side was MSI making the 12vhpwr pins yellow.
It didn't solve the underlying issue, but if there was yellow visible on either side, you knew it wasn't in all the way

[thin trout]

yeah unfortunately it is just common that even when it is plugged in all of the way, there's current imbalance so that some wires serve 20-50%+ more current than others

we have AMPINEL next month ish..

https://www.techpowerup.com/341553/aqua-computer-introduces-ampinel-active-power-management-for-graphics-cards

it is just insane to have to buy a $100 thing from a third party when it could be fixed on-card for $10

[pure karma]

no ones buying this thing to unironically use

[twin dew]

At least one of the spec versions actually says that you aren't allowed to current balance...
That all the pins need to be tied together on the card end...

[thin trout]

my 5090 has been locked to 400w with case and graphics cards always on, but i know even that isn't enough to save all cards that are plugged in properly.

[thin trout]

Yep. It's literally explicitly forbidden, despite being an engineering neccesity for safe operation

This third-party device sits between the PSU and the card, and actively balances there.

It also detects the specific amount of current going across each wire and reports it, as well as how much it's having to "work" to rebalance the current.

Can see here that all wires are at 8.4 - 8.9a

but it's adding 5mohm resistance to some wires baseline, and up to 21mohms on others to achieve that balance.

A new power supply unit, a brand new graphics card, the original 12V 2×6 cable snapped in until it clicks – and yet the AMPINEL immediately sounds the alarm. Four lines above the 9.5 ampere mark, a peak value of 10.68 amperes, 54.03 amperes total current and 4.69 amperes differential current clearly document how skewed the load distribution was. And all this at a hotspot temperature of just 42.75 °C, well before any real thermal problems should have set in. Without AMPINEL, a brand-new system would have been operating directly beyond specification – a prime example of how little trust this connector deserves.

The wires can survive 9 amps with airflow. 10 at a stretch. The power limit is at 8.33, assuming equal split.

when people don't actively cool the connector (e.g. SFF PC), some people have had multiple failures there.

[dire igloo]

Welcome to Greedvidia

[twin dew]

Nah?
That seems to have been PCIe standards body fuckup.
The original Nvidia implementation without sense pins did have split into multiple zones.

[thin trout]

Yeah, AMD and Intel were involved as well as were others

Nvidia's crime is just making it mandatory on all of X product.

[twin dew]

Yeah, Nvidia did that first implementation on 3090 TI without sense pins, then it got standardized at PCI-SIG to 12VHPWR with sense pins, and then bandaided to 12V-2x6 at same standards body.
And Intel then included the PCI-SIG standardized connector spec into ATX 3.0 (12VHPWR) and ATX 3.1 (12V-2x6).
Edits: corrected names.

[thin trout]

only some radeons use it, and they have also had elevated failures even at low power levels

[twin dew]

So large part of the suck is on Nvidia, for them to select the too small pin connector.
But PCI-SIG members accepted that basic premise and just did some tweaking, and also did that ban on current islands for some very stupid reason.

Where in basically any other industry, using multiple conductors to transmit power between two areas ALWAYS need active current monitoring at minimum, that cuts power if there is too high imbalance.

[thin trout]

The combination of that and of having basically zero current headroom is brutal

the spec is 660w at 40c i think? But under normal operation, the connectors run hotter than that. With a 600w limit.

8-pins had like a +100% current headroom over what they were limited at.

Need quite a lot of derating to account for imbalance and operating temperatures

and 6 seperate conductors is a lot less safe than 2 or 3, all else being the same

[dire igloo]

lol
https://videocardz.com/newz/sapphire-radeon-rx-9070-xt-nitro-reportedly-suffers-first-melted-12v-2x6-connector-case

Basically:
Guy on reddit got sapphire 9070xt nitro+ with 12v-2x6 connector, used included adapter, melted/charred

Interesting
https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/s/EcdUmj4fD4

[cyan crescent]

If i only have 5 slots for HDDs which are filled, how do i increase the capacity of my nas? Can i replace the drives one by one with bigger drives and have the nas correct it or what?

[twin dew]

Theoretically yes.
But with realistic chance of data loss if RAID-5 with 5 drives.

[languid gulch]

duct tape, adapters, and splitters

[cyan crescent]

I have 9 total sata slots. 6 are filled. 1 os drive and 5 storage drives. 1 storage drive is going to be for parity.

Is there any single slot half height gpu i can squeeze into my nas to help speed up streaming from it or no?

[night girder]

Oh funny you mention that. I read the same somewhere else with green pins.

ASRock Steel Legend SL-850G.

Bottom left corner.

Flashy green, not a stupid idea tbh. Make it stupid proof

[pure karma]

Dosent help much when the cables are the problem but its still a good idea

[night girder]

Sorry. Not 100% true.

In the beginning, when the issue about melting cables were being reported, it was already quickly discovered that some users didn't put cable in fully.

While this was only part of the story and the troubles. But some of the reports were due to user error not cable error.

GN made a video about it. But nonetheless, there were more issues But I do remember there were users not fully putting the cable in. So good fix for that.

[pure karma]

My biggest question is if the official nvidia adapters are burning nearly as much because i havent seen any melt

[night girder]

I been out of touch lately with melting cables.

[pure karma]

i havent kept in touch at all outside of when JTC exposed the pins being misaligned quite badly on cables included with psu’s

but that wasn’t the case on the official nvidia adapters so iv been wondering if that had played a part this whole time

since every melted cable i have seen ever was a PSU cable and not the included adapter

[night girder]

6 months ago:

First melted Nvidia GeForce RTX 5070 power cable reported, could be user error

[pure karma]

Like iv been using the adapter and last i checked it was still mint granted im only pulling like 250W through it

[night girder]

So you were saying?

source: www.pcgamesn.com/nvidia/geforce-rtx-5070-melting-power-cable

[pure karma]

user error shouldn’t be blamed on the connector in the first place

[night girder]

However, in a follow up video and series of images, ere9w shows the plug of the 12V-2×6 connector, which reveals what appears to be the likely cause of the melting. One of the sense pins - the small pins used to send a signal rather than the thick pins used to send power -** in the graphics card cable's plug appears to be misaligned.**

[thin trout]

The failure rate probably increases exponentially with higher power, but we have numerous examples of failures as low as 350-450w with properly installed connectors.

I have mine at 400w with a fan on it (can't even limit lower, gg nvidia) and getting an ampinel ASAP

[rustic panther]

Cables are still immolating?

[thin trout]

yeah

[thin trout]

Not likely cause at all. Sense pins just allow the PSU side to set a 300w or 450w power limit. PSU in this case didn't need a limit.

[rustic panther]

And of course that means that every manufacturer has moved over to 12pin connectors?

[night girder]

Fight the community not me 🙈

The actual cause hasn't been verified yet - ere9w reports the card is back with the manufacturer being investigated - but comments on the Twitter thread speculate that this pin could be shorting with one of the 12V power conductors.

[rustic panther]

I will fight you

[bronze jasper]

There is no exponential increase. There is a handful of cases that drama farming YouTube channels signal boost for view counts.

[thin trout]

There is documented evidence of failures in the tens of thousands (some individual repair shops have seen 4 figures) and there are a handful of people who have seen two independant failures in a row with 5090's in SFF cases - but your reply is not relevant to what i said.

I said that the failure rate is probably exponentially higher when increasing power linearly. That mechanistically makes sense and fits the data best (50% more power isn't 50% higher failure rate, it's much much more)

[tribal kraken]

Looks like I bougth my 4090 excatly 3 years ago 14.10.2022. Lived happily with 600W power limit ever since. Bought Corsair cable some point to get rid of the adapter.

[bronze jasper]

If that were true and not just sensationalized yellow journalism, there would be national recalls. Recalls are often called for less since electrical fires are actually a huge public safety issue.

It's more like dozens of confirmed incidents

[glossy glacier]

Nvidia Mandates it, AMD (& Intel) optional

[verbal raft]

https://tenor.com/view/12vhpwr-burning-gpu-connector-4090-melting-5090-melting-gif-5389376741907012594

[soft bloom]

https://youtu.be/o2s8I6yBrxE?si=OIo06Ttq0KYPM4Vc

LLMs are in trouble
by PrimeAgen
referencing article from Antropic
https://www.anthropic.com/research/small-samples-poison
A small number of samples can poison LLMs of any size
which itself is based on paper
https://arxiv.org/abs/2510.07192
Poisoning Attacks on LLMs Require a Near-constant Number of Poison Samples

huh, did I manage to break anti-link bot?
it displayed message that some of these links is not allowed (maybea anthropic one? I hope arxiv is allowed)
and yet my message is still there

[twin dew]

And IFT-11 already happened: https://www.spacex.com/launches/starship-flight-11

[night girder]

tldr? It was a success or not?

[twin dew]

Just watching, but from another videos blurb, no problems?

[night girder]

on the website it states: "Every major objective of the flight test was achieved, providing valuable data as we prepare the next generation of Starship and Super Heavy."

But reality?

[twin dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0FcQzDG3C8

Going to watch that after watching the launch stream.

[mental oriole]

I'm not surprised tbh.

[jagged snow]

Watched the whole thing. Reality was that everything other than the heatshield performed optimally. Booster and ship both splashed down perfectly, launch and hot staging went smoothly. Deployed another 8 dummy sattelites. In-space relight was a sucess.

Heatshield lost a significant number of tiles but with the ablative coating underneath demonstrated an impressive amount of resillience to tile loss. We saw no major burn-through on the skirt, flaps, or hinges. Ship looked very intact on splashdown.

So they seem to be well on their way to achieving all of their goals for rapid reuse except the heatsheild. In its current state it would require a full refit after every flight

[soft bloom]

Well intuition was that if we need large training sets to learn soemthing then it should be comparably large amount of falsified data to spoof 'understanding'.
But it looks like it's essy enough for bad actor to poison llm and make it think that earth is actually flat and datelities are conspiracy by just make couple hundred social media posts

I originally wanted to give much more terrible ideas... But that would be borderline politics.

[thin trout]

and that glue is an important ingredient in pizza sauce

any subject that people post wrong information about, they are a complete shitshow

and wrong info on the internet is the standard, not the exception. Some sites (like satisfactory wiki gg) have only rare factual errors or important omissions.

reddit posts? Hell no, a sizeable fraction are grossly incorrect

[night girder]

Well, if a human reads 100 recipes about making a Pizza.

99 recipes say; use tomato sauce.
1 recipes says; use glue.

A human would maybe pick up, mhm, that one recipe is odd compared to rest, must be a mistake.
But it seems LLM can't do that. But it should go with the consencus.

[thin trout]

Exactly. And even when 9999 recipies say use tomato and 1 says use glue, it will spit out the glue answer sometimes

[soft bloom]

Study shows you don't need 10%
Near constant of around 300
Meaning you can have 10 000 papers on astrophysics and 100 000 videos about astronomy but you only need couple hundred documents stating earth is flat to make llm, let's say, confused

[night girder]

Which is a bit perplexing, because one would think LLM would shine on that.

If it aggregates so much data, it must "know" what the general consensus is on somethings and the LLM should ignore outliners?

[thin trout]

without concept of truth or comparison of sources between each other, it can't. And they can't compare because it would change scaling from linear to exponential increase in compute power.

[night girder]

makes you wonder what is going on in the "black box called LLM". Because sometimes even scientist say they have no clue how a LLM comes to certain results.

It's a black box, or so I heard them say, and they try to figure out why LLM gives the answer it sometimes does.

But fear not! Scientists are getting a better understanding as time goes on
To think they created a piece of code, where you put something in, then "magic" happens, then it spits something out.
And they have no clue, what the actual magic was haha.

[soft bloom]

I re-read abstract
250 document in a training set that is 20 times larger
That's still simplification, but applying that constant to different training set sizes was wrong by me.

[night girder]

Something that just crossed my mind, would it have been better, if humans currated the data we would have fed to LLM? Instead of going big bang and feed it everything they could find?

[soft bloom]

Danger of scaling math beyond what our mind can comprehend
Like, don't get me wrong, we can still analyse it
But it's unfeasible to go through all oeprations step by step for a human.
We underrstand what we do with data - we don't understand why it doesn't meet expectations.

[night girder]

They try to reverse engineer answers. But it's not that easy.

[night girder]

Let me clarify what I think. Take the glue example. I am not sure scientist really know why the LLM suggested that. It sounds more plausible to me, they added a line of code saying; "don't mention glue when people ask for pizza recipe" and the scientist/company moved on. But could be wrong 🙈

[soft bloom]

It still needs a lot to understand language.
But fine-tunning is close to what you say - you get model with general udnerstaning of words, and then you add your own data to steer it in the direction you want.
It's like parenting a child - you can let them go to school and socialise and they rpobably will install tiktok and smoke pot, or you can completely homeshool and get someone who is not capable to live without you, or you can be somewhere in between...

[night girder]

Or they retrained the AI. And everytime it said glue, you don't reinforce it (reinforcemen learning).

I do notice the update versions of LLM have a function that let them explain their reasoning. So that's already a debuging step they added 🤣

btw, sorry I am using LLM terms. It can't really reason ofc. But it gives you the "steps" towards the final answers it spews out.

[night girder]

Somebody did a bad job at parenting then

[soft bloom]

With more complex and generic systems you get fuxxier behavior.
Like in math you can oeprate with real numbers. Physicists thought that's enough to make models work.
Then enter compelx numbers, that should not ™ translate to real world. And in mny applications they work beyond what is practical. And then later we discover the why it works. Latest vid by 3blue1brown has example of that.

[night girder]

I do think, there is no way back. Tech companies and leaders have doubled down on AI. It's already baked into almost everything.

[soft bloom]

Funnily enough it's not debugging, and more of... Self-amping.
That reasoning is still generated. But feeds into itself. Which shown to help it make better judgement.
So it's not the looking underhood, but telling it to explicitly go through what humans often ommit in written text.

[soft bloom]

Oh i reda that too late

[night girder]

I still think it's for us humans, so we know, or try to know, why we get the results we get sometimes.

It's a flawed technology, but we are stuck with it. Hope it can improve.

[soft bloom]

It's next revolution after web and search engines. Data must go on...

[night girder]

Maybe you are right. Not sure if search engines were this flawed when they were created. Can't remember.

[soft bloom]

I just remember examples of llms outright lyinng in those "thought steps"

[night girder]

or maybe I should not say flawed, but dangerous?

Atleast it's honest about it. (AI generated)

[soft bloom]

I completely forgot what was the chnanel nad title of video, but recently watched something about early search engine problems.
Remmebered, guest vid from 3blue1brown

[night girder]

So even LLM "knows" the cons of LLM haha.

[soft bloom]

More like schooled by its peers haha

[night girder]

I sometimes ask it, what are you basing this one? What sources. But only 1% of the time I get a source.

See?

[rustic panther]

It would solve it, but reading + judging sources would make the whole thing uneconomical

[night girder]

Good point.

Blue Pill: We can do it slow, step by step, not make a lot of profit at start. Maybe lose lots of money. But it would be very safe and more robust LLM.
Red Pill: Or we can do it fast, big bang, push it into production to generate money, push it to other companies and get richer. And then we try to fix it.

[pure karma]

i know this is rather subjective but can we all agree the new youtube ui is pure aids

like genuienly #1 worst redesign of all time

like what in the ever living hell is this

they say the purpose was to obsure less of the video yet its 3X the size and every menu has a border that dosent need to exist

[jagged snow]

I'm mostly just annoyed with the sheer number of ads there are on mobile

Also, they made it so that your video pauses after every ad and you have to click on the button and interact with the ad to get your video to resume

[pure karma]

its on pc too if your not logged in

its 2 per minute

[jagged snow]

That sounds about right 💀

[pure karma]

i havent noticed it after every ad but sometimes i have noticed it yea

which then causes it to unfullscreen and load the stupid ads on the side for when you pause

causing a loop of ads

[soft bloom]

yt puts ads automatically into video (but I htink only for monetized ones?), and channels can remove them

[jagged snow]

Nope, they play ads on videos with monetization off now too

[pure karma]

my channel has ads and im not even monitized so no its not only for monitized creators

[night girder]

I've been hoping for a long time to see some competition to youtube, I haven't find anything that can compete with it.
So they can pretty much do what they want.

[pure karma]

thats the thing

[jagged snow]

In other news - I made a filesystem today!

[pure karma]

unless we see a competitor that alows for the transfer of youtube videos isntead of entirely uploading new i don't see a competitor arising until youtube literally collapses

[jagged snow]

And there's always a risk that they'd both go under if there was serious competition

[night girder]

there is/was dailymotion I think and vimeo? But both are nothing compared to YT.

[jagged snow]

Very basic, but it's pretty cool and functional, so that's nice

[soft bloom]

at what level does it sit?

[jagged snow]

Hardware interface level, I work in embedded systems so I'm talking directly to a flash chip

[mental oriole]

yay welcome to the club 🥳

Wrote SD driver and filesystem a while back at work, nothing fancy but like you also said, gets the job done 🙂

[jagged snow]

Nice, yea
It was a fun exercise to work directly with blocks on disk and such

[mental oriole]

I've done the same for eeprom, smaller block size but work quite simlar. Writes are usually blocking on the hw though.

[cyan crescent]

Just a couple hard drives in my nas.

[winged valley]

Those are either toshiba or wd drives

Based on the shape of their chassis

[cyan crescent]

WD

Western digital gold 18TB

[wise prairie]

quite a late reply a week or so on, just finished updating to an 9800x3d build, and ... none of my DSP cards will function on AMD. at all. no choice but to go back to 12700k and just ... have that be as fast as it gets, and return all the AM5 hardware 🙁

[bronze jasper]

i bet this is more to do with the chipset than the cpu. amd chipsets and their implementations in various boards have more disparity than the intel side of things.

[wise prairie]

likely, but from all the searching around i've been doing today there's no fix, the 2 cards i do have just aren't compatible

[bronze jasper]

big bummer

[wise prairie]

they make a larger 8core card that does work but, getting a 12900k is a cheaper faster option

[stone shuttle]

Weird question probably, but what kinda profession does what Satisfactory's gameplay is?

er the factory design part. not the gathering resources or killing hostile animals part...

[bronze jasper]

i'm not sure playing a game is any kind of profession outside of games. but fictionally i'd say they're in logistics and site planning

[stone shuttle]

Ah I was wondering if it was something like supply chain management

[shell meadow]

As you also build everything it's multiple jobs at once, from technician to supply chain/site planning and delivery/logistics (except you deliver to yourself)
If you include ADA i guess she's chatbot agent + happiness manager

And you're not even paid

https://tenor.com/view/lenin-must-crush-capitalism-undead-communist-communism-gif-20636305

[bold tapir]

Ленин

[night girder]

Finally. Now we get to the true purpose of all these AI. Erotica.

[visual tree]

Next step: Holosuite from Star Trek DS9

[thin trout]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dp3jpsP58s

[tribal kraken]

Small or big CAT ?

[mental oriole]

Oh no...

[night girder]

What can go wrong 🤷‍♂️

[mental oriole]

Yes.

[languid gulch]

can't wait for it to get blocked in all those states that have the porn site ID blocks in place

[pure karma]

Medium

[glossy glacier]

"Verified adults"
You'll need an ID to unlock it

[visual tree]

Meanwhile, I am worried hotel won't let us use towels or swim shorts in finnish sauna during teambuilding. The last thing I want to see is naked coworkers.....

It's like they are forgetting this isn't Finland lol

Baldur probably got used to this

[cobalt ivy]

Can y’all rate my new for satisfactory

[twin dew]

Glass case and RGB, infinite negative points!

Old fart curses clouds!

[coral timber]

10/10

[tribal kraken]

This time chose the largest CAT, long claws make my lifting work all safety approved

[rustic panther]

Orange/10

[tribal kraken]

Im old and cant see in that dark

[jagged snow]

Glass case and no rgb is the best

[pure karma]

i disagree but only because tempered glass is reflective like a mirror without any light so i literally cant see in my pc anyway

[night girder]

Probably.

[glossy glacier]

I have no official source but they said as much on public radio today

[tribal kraken]

Had a little pause from 3D prints. So whats the best free slicer today? I used Cura back then. The printer is Creality CR-10S Pro

[main sluice]

But RGB so pretty

[jagged snow]

Cura is still great, honestly

There are other slicers with more tools and capability, but cura is the most commonly used industry-wide

[tribal kraken]

Installed Cura and printer already running. Guess those ecoPLA filaments have been in open air for 2 or 3 years. Lets see how it turns out 😄

[jagged snow]

No dryer?

[tribal kraken]

No, I just used oven usually

Want to print markers for my new scanner (Blue Laser that needs markers to work). Just small 12 sided dices with legs to glue the reflective markers on

End result something like this, with magnets to be reusable on objets that stick on them

[jagged snow]

Nice

That seems like a very good system, actually

btw, new vision pro announced:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/10/with-considerably-less-fanfare-apple-releases-a-second-generation-vision-pro/

[night girder]

Ugh...

[mental oriole]

So ugly...

[verbal raft]

oh hell no

[night girder]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal–organic_framework

I listened to a podcast today because the scientists behind this won a nobel price.

MOF's small, tunable pore sizes and high void fractions are promising as an adsorbent to capture CO2.[207] MOFs could provide a more efficient alternative to traditional amine solvent-based methods in CO2 capture from coal-fired power plants.[208]

So apparantly, we have a solution to capture CO2 in large quantities. You can tune the MOF to capture specific molecules.

So in theory, we can have factories with MOF that capture CO2. But the issue is, these companies, how do they make money? They don't, they spend money buying MOF and capturing CO2. They can't sell it. So nobody does it.

More information for those interested: https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/chemistry/2025/popular-information/

[tribal kraken]

I think it will work. Now if I had the scanner to actually test it 😂

[pure karma]

it is but that GPU sure isn't

[main sluice]

Puff it's beautiful. Sapphire nitro + one of the only 7900 I could find with RGB

[pure karma]

its a silver plate of metal that dosent match anything else 🤷‍♂️

[night girder]

What GPU?

It looks like a siemens washer with a intel sticker.

[pure karma]

speaking off GPU's i notidced my GPU is starting to sag even with the bracket and now i cant unsee it

[night girder]

but then something sturdy and not cheap crap.

I like this concept becausse it doesn't depend on your motherboard and you can (in theory) adjust it precisely.

[pure karma]

thats a great idea if you have said seimens washer with an intel sticker and its flat bottom

but my card dosent have a single flat surface on the bottom

[night girder]

Whhhhaaat?

Not a single place you can put some pressure up?

[pure karma]

i could maybe do it in the middle but not the end for sure

the edges of the card are curved and the fans stick out making it nearly impossible

[night girder]

what gpu? how did you position it in case? I am curious now.

[pure karma]

its very angular and curved

only the center edge has a slight bit of surface

[night girder]

Oh, that is interesting indeed. It does look to me it could still work.

but picture + lightning can be deceiving.

[pure karma]

i tought so too but im woried having that much pressure on a very little corner would lead to the support slipping and collapsing

[night girder]

you could also just buy two and have a horizontal metal barrier or something. But can block little bit of airflow.

[pure karma]

as far as i can tell the card isent bent but its not level i know that for sure

[night girder]

Sorry for bad paint skills, but brown goes horizontal to have good contact with gpu, red are the pins that push brown stave up.

[pure karma]

i have a mount on the end already but it just bent the standoffs or screws or something overtime

[night girder]

I don't know, I have a classic bracket and I don't like it because I can only pick from holes.

[pure karma]

so its just sagging again

[night girder]

btw you also have this concept

[pure karma]

probably overpriced but yea theres also the issue of fans below

[night girder]

The last one doesn't matter if you put tthem on corners.

the horizontal "pillars" you can move horizontal it seems.

and the others vertical, up/down. So you can adjust it to the corners

[pure karma]

my side pannels are too reflective to take picsures for shit its so annoying

[night girder]

anyway, if you search a bit, I am sure you can find solution if you wanted.

[pure karma]

i have this which is quite outdated but you can see it already starting

[tribal kraken]

My MSI 3090 Suprim had that style support. Still have it as forgot to ship with the used GPU :/

[visual tree]

What is this sorcery? https://youtu.be/VGK3Ag06VaU

Apparently, channel had daily uploads from 2012 but most videos have been removed recently

[night girder]

cursed.

[cyan crescent]

Im having an issue. The sata to m.2 adapter isnt showing up in bios.

[cyan crescent]

Im supposed to have 2 more 18TB drives through the m.2_1 slot

[jagged snow]

So you have an m.2 to sata adapter?

Did you ensure that the m.2 slot supports sata mode?

[languid gulch]

youtube being a laggy mess for anyone else

[somber granite]

it is :l

idk y

[languid gulch]

i mean, i know they like to fuck with people using adblockers

but this is just getting annoying

[jagged snow]

Apparently they had some sort of outage today

[bronze jasper]

I don't use ad blockers on YouTube and I was catching problems today. I don't think it had to do with that

They're pretty open about fucking with ad blocking people

[languid gulch]

the audio will play for like a solid minute, with the first frame frozen

[twin dew]

Also to what was said earlier, if the cheap adapter says it supports two SATA drives, it is most likely using SATA multiplexer, as M.2 even when supporting SATA, only support one drive.
And those have horrible issues, if even supported by the actual SATA controller.

[dire igloo]

There's also this

[twin dew]

So you would need some kind of M.2 card with actual PCIe to SATA controller.
Not just passive adapter or one with SATA MUX.

Or just get used PCIe SAS (RAID) card and flash it to IT mode.

[twin dew]

Also, BIOS not showing stuff is kind of to be expected with two drives, even if the slot does support SATA, the MUX is working and the drives are detected.
You would need to see if they are detected in other places.

[cyan crescent]

Would this be fine to use in a nas for more sata ports? Not meant to be a raid card. Only extra sata ports.

[twin dew]

Not for that specific one.
Uses controller that only supports 4 drives and uses MUXes again to get more.
So several of the ports are slower.
And that ASM1166 seems to have problems with reboots.

Ok, that MUX part was wrong.

So only then depends on if the specific firmware works ok or not.
But in general might cause drives to disappear randomly.

So check in general for reviews about that ASM1166 PCIe to SATA chipset.

And do note that that is 4x physical, 2x electrical, as that ASM1166 is only PCIe 2x supporting.

[night girder]

Fair, but how do you adjust the height? Let it mold so it rises?

[dire igloo]

I don't

It was the right height when I put it in there, that's why I put it in there

Also: it's an empty can

[night girder]

Also, FYI, you might want to check your PCIE cables

[dire igloo]

Hot backplate melting em?

Or why would they need checking?

[night girder]

Two stores in my country, just agreed to use AI music in their stores. Because it's cheaper. So now we get AI crap music in the stores.

Translate: "Brico and Carrefour choose for AI music in their stores. Music artists in Belgium will lose 1/4 of income".

two years ago 🤣

[dire igloo]

The biggest issue with AI in the modern job market is that it replaces the junior level work

So there won't be any experienced junior level employee to pick up a senior level position

[shell meadow]

AI also replaces a lot of HR, which could be nice (I hate HR people) but that means all the atypical profiles will be eliminated in favor of obedient, submissive candidates who'll perpetuate the machine

[night girder]

AI is replacing everything it can.

www.ncsc.org/resources-courts/guidance-implementing-ai-courts (court)

to art. Gaming. Coding. Human interaction. Erotic stuff.

I think they are trying to replace the classical search engine with AI. Or atleast test the water on that.

a decent % of YT conent is AI generated. A decent amount of news articles are AI generated.

Once AI starts to pump out "stuff" (articles, music, art, videos ...) it goes hard because it can keep doing it 24/7 without stoppping.

[shell meadow]

Some years ago i worked for a company that develops desktop automation applications, like custom macros written in Jquery or VBA
I quit because i was actually replacing human people, often 50+yo women doing administrative work, by programs

Pretty sure AI will make that even easier

[shell meadow]

Now i work in hospital IT and they're talking about using AI text to speech for medical records and i'm scared that they'll use it also in diagnostics and prescriptions someday

[dire igloo]

I love when tech bros look at already existing automated systems that work well and think "let's make it AI"

And then you get legislators which say "roombas are AI and probably calculators too"

[wanton orchid]

it's more Google shit which is pushing ai results a lot
so they can claim people like it because lot of clicks
like Twitter did and YouTube removed dislike for
most people don't like AI
of course it gets more clicks when it's the only thing showing in the results list

it's all corrupted from the very start to the end
nobody really asked for it but brainwashed investors

[night girder]

Speaking of google AI. I have one minor complain about it.

This is where "Alle" (all) used to be. But now it's AI-modus, so my memory muscle keeps clicking on the first item in that horizontal list.

So if I was in "Afbeeldingen" (images) and I wanted to see all, I just clicked on first in list. But that opens AI now.

So I wonder if they done this on purpose, because they know how memory muscle works.

[shell meadow]

I can bet that's on purpose

[night girder]

You know what I am trying to say right?

I only use google when duckduckgo doesn't give me good result. So it's only minor annoyance.

[shell meadow]

Apart from muscle memory, in general terms, our occidental habitus make us read horizontal menus from left to right, that's why home button is almost always on the left.
Replacing first button with AI button tells a lot about where they want us to click in priority

[night girder]

Exactly. DDG did something alike but wait.

They put it to the right!

So it doesn't mess up with existing UX/muscle memory.

[shell meadow]

Gotta appreciate indeed

I'd rather have no AI at all but 💁

[languid gulch]

all A, no I

[night girder]

I stand by my opinion about "options". I am big fan of options instead of replacing features directly, let a user choose as freely as possible (we can discuss about how free a user is, because there is tactics to guide a user to behavior).

With that in mind, I am not a fan of AI, but atleast some tools give us the option to disable it.

Only a few of my iphone apps refuse to disable AI, like whatsapp 🙁 Fucking hate it.

[languid gulch]

the only thing i think AI is good for is bad humor shit

[night girder]

Is it?

It's not even a bad joke.

[languid gulch]

oh no i mean like the image generator BS

AI can't write for shit

[night girder]

Oh yeah. And the fast food AI was also funny.

With the wrong orders etc.

[languid gulch]

will smith eating spaghetti

[night girder]

Only thing I find fascinating to watch, are those trackmania videos where someone trains a "AI" to beat world records etc.

It's just interesting to see how the enforcement learning is applied to a car and how much they have to "adjust" the AI to get decent results.

It's not just plugin and it learns. No, you have code in rewards etc.

[languid gulch]

seeing Waymos in action firsthand can be either hilarious or terrifying

[night girder]

Oh, that's a real car 😄

[languid gulch]

they like to use Jaguars for some reason

[night girder]

Ooh, it's the google car. Damn, yeah I am not up to date with AI stuff.

I am a bit burned on it. So I rarely read much about it.

I am not going to be able to stop self driving cars in our society. I will just (probably) not use them.
Driving is too much fun. And I want to have atleast some brain activity.

And I cannot really read, watch anything in a moving vehicle because I get sick. So no benefits to me with self driving car.

Not sure how to call it in english. Motion sickness?

[dire igloo]

text generation too. as someone who puts a lot of thought and effort into his thoughts, I always notice it when the AI just... doesn't

[shell meadow]

Those weirdos are already making self driving helicopters

Next decade is gonna be interesting to say the least

[shell meadow]

I've been insulting chatgpt everytime i tried to use it because that dumbhead can't repeat its own words
That's why i am scared of it being integrated in medical, military or educational systems

Apart from the environmental and human exploitation it needs ofc

[pure karma]

i dont think i could live if i got motion sick in a car

[pure karma]

how about no

[jagged snow]

I get to be that guy now

[mental oriole]

MMMysyyyooooooodMMMMMyoyyyyyyyyo 😄

[jagged snow]

Yeah!

Accidentally set something on my keyboard

[mental oriole]

[pure karma]

i wish... my laptop instantly kernal panics on most linux distros and ubuntu's performance (the only one that has worked) isent sufficient for my needs and performes horribly in comparison on nvidia hardware

[jagged snow]

I'm literally on nvidia hardware?

[bronze jasper]

i made some pretty ridiculous images for fun when "flux" ai first came out. i'll post them in media

[pure karma]

how much performance did you loose?

cause iv loss 50%+ across 2 systems desktop and laptop on ubuntu

and i dont know why

[jagged snow]

Also I just found out that our board design guy used my i2c pins as CS for something else so now I've gotta mod the heck out of a bunch of boards

[pure karma]

bazzite was like 10% on nvidia and 30 or so on arc which is a lot more reasonable but 50% is mad sus

[jagged snow]

In general or in gaming?

[pure karma]

gaming

[jagged snow]

Because in general it got way better

Extra ~30 min of battery life and feels way snappier

[pure karma]

i could see that from the ram reduction for sure yea

[jagged snow]

As you can see from the specs this isn't exactly a gaming beast but so far I haven't noticed a large impact to gaming perf

Still ~80fps in the games I play on here

[pure karma]

but i never tested battery life because i wanted to throw up at the latency while gaming and performance reduction too much to give a shit

because no amount of battery life gain justifies brusts of 1+ second latency

[jagged snow]

That's really odd

[pure karma]

atleast on desktop the latency was normal so i presume it dident like low cpu core clocks since i know some software hates that aswell but i nerver really looked into it

[jagged snow]

Honestly, it's kinda funny
For all the work that valve has put into linux gaming, the steam client itself is still the buggiest native application I've used on linux so far

[pure karma]

i dident have any issues with it but i did have issues with loading times for stuff on ubuntu

[jagged snow]

Oh, loading times have been fine

[pure karma]

it just dident have the snappy instantly ready for you feel that i like

[bronze jasper]

i never had any issues with the steam client when i ran garuda linux

[jagged snow]

I just can't get the gui to open occasionally

[pure karma]

a browser really shouldent need a few seconds to load on a 10 core cpu and 4050

[jagged snow]

See that's

So odd

I feel like my system is so responsive so far

[pure karma]

but i could also see it since nothing is running ahead of time

loading times were slower but acceptable on bazzite desktop atleast

bazzite was good enough for me to daily it exclusively for 2 weeks were as ubuntu i was crashing out after an hour

[jagged snow]

Using firefox on this machine, launching it from a cold start is quite literally the same speed as alt-tab

[pure karma]

must be KDE then or something

cause i used regular ubuntu not the KDE version

[jagged snow]

kde is lighter and just overall better than gnome imo

[mental oriole]

oh fuck off that's painful

[pure karma]

i might try it as some point just installing different operating systems when you have 1 drive and a dysfunctional bios is a pain

[jagged snow]

Yea

[verbal raft]

seems pretty good if not great
https://x.com/gpuopen/status/1978911325821554702

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X · Oct 16, 2025, 7:50 PM

waiting for one game to support this tho

[pure karma]

out of curiosity how do you see this?

in the terminal?

i see it all the time and i want to know

[jagged snow]

It's a tool called neofetch

[languid gulch]

#off-topic-media message

Oh I agree, like I said, good for dumb stuff, not therapy or legal proceedings like idiots are doing

[languid gulch]

Well, looks like another one of my drives is dying

[tribal kraken]

Mass production has began

[dire igloo]

Whatchu need so many D12 for?

[shell meadow]

Very long D&D campaign i guess

[dire igloo]

Yeah, but using a D12 is rare in DnD

And this is ONLY D12, nothing else

And they kept their pedestal, so they aren't actually usable as D12

[twin dew]

Also, no side markings.

[dire igloo]

Eh, can write stuff on the stickers

[tribal kraken]

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17UJgprkZR/

Think will make about 50 pcs to start try with large scans, about size of normal car.

And then 1000 pcs. just single marker glued to 10x3mm round magnets. Thats is about 40€ from Temu

[tribal kraken]

Modeling D12 dodecahedron as scaleable parametric CAD model was intresting but with some math very simple

[dire igloo]

Can't see without login

[tribal kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RocQ2KQkHEE

[dire igloo]

Ah, that makes sense

[twin dew]

So you had missed yesterdays messages about that actual use?

As 3D scanning markers

[dire igloo]

I missed basically everything, yeah

[dire igloo]

nvm, not yesterday, Wednesday.
That explains why I missed it

[twin dew]

My bad

[cyan crescent]

Will a sas hba work with sata drives or do i have to get a sata specific hba?

[twin dew]

If you check, basically all are either dual-mode (SATA + SAS) or tri-mode (SATA + SAS + NVMe).

Reason to get SAS HBA is just that that makes sure you get reliable working chipset, and not the consumer SATA crap.

But the downside is airflow needs of the cards.

Need some airflow over the heatsink.

[soft bloom]

https://youtu.be/o4TdHrMi6do?si=oQuokzbDRol1wHrm
nice brainteaser at the beginning

[oblique tide]

Hey guys my Lenovo thinkpad e15 gen 4 isn’t charging

[bronze jasper]

have you tried waving a red cape at it?

[oblique tide]

Ha fucking ha :/

[mental oriole]

Urging more people to boycott windows because this is insane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg2Wd5BmO-w

[oblique tide]

And this is why I haven’t upgraded to 11

[twin dew]

So seems to be USB-C charging with the USB-C port directly on the MB.
So if the charger isn't broken, and the computer cannot run on the charger, then you would probably need to get that soldered on USB-C port replaced.

[oblique tide]

Still a 10 uses

[mental oriole]

Why I don't use windows anymore.

[oblique tide]

Well shit

[twin dew]

Official Lenovo instructions are to test if the battery itself is failty, and if not, to replace the whole MB.

[oblique tide]

Easier said than done given my laptop is a retired corporate laptop

[bronze jasper]

every social media puts facial recognition on everything uploaded. this is only a problem if you use onedrive

[mental oriole]

They gonna throw ai on more crap.

[mental oriole]

They already have it on the potots app

[bronze jasper]

facebook has been recognizing your friends for a decade now

[mental oriole]

I don't have facebook.

[bronze jasper]

yeah neither do i. and i dont use one drive either

[mental oriole]

Never understood that garbo ever since it dropped.

[twin dew]

Basically would need a third party repair shop with surface mount replacement experience with hotair guns etc.
And somehow get their hands on the right USB-C connector.

Again, if it isn't just that the charger broke.

[oblique tide]

I tried the charger on another device and it worked

But before the laptop ran out of battery it said the voltage was low

Which is odd given I made sure it was the proper wattage

[twin dew]

And seems that that MB side connector breaking is pretty common, shitton of sites selling replacement connectors for that series.

[oblique tide]

65w

[oblique tide]

Fuck

[bronze jasper]

usb-c were meant to resolve the flimsy mount problems that older standards had. but i guess manufacturers learned how to cheap them out too.

i stopped buying laptops years ago unless they were cheap companion devices that would remote into a proper desktop. they're all destined to be ewaste imo

i have so much resent for laptops after experiencing so many manufacturing problems that aren't covered by warranty. companies just don't care about building quality laptops

[soft bloom]

They are the largest single company throwing money at ai, except for nvidia which doesn't have data of consumers, businesses and governments at their fongertips gathered by one of largest surveilance systems - windows os.
So ofcourse they will try to be the ai company

[twin dew]

Still easy port to damage itself.
Even if the solder doesn't crack as easily.

[oblique tide]

Could someone jamming my laptop between two desks on the charger side cause this?

Because if so I have some hell to raise

[twin dew]

In that laptops case:
Where those large mountings have screws going through those and the MB to the case, and then those larger "pins" are soldered through the MB.

From older gen with the port removed:

[oblique tide]

Cool

[twin dew]

With charger attached?
Probably damaged that port.

And repair would need that complete MB replacement, or third party repair to replace the port.

Which is why lot of laptops have the charge-port on separate small PCB, as it getting damaged is so common.

But not doing that is cheaper for the initial manufacturing.

[oblique tide]

Yes

THAT FUCKER

[twin dew]

USB-C internals, especially on the female port, are very fragile.

[oblique tide]

He’s gonna pay for a new laptop for me :/

Why didn’t we just stay with the circle ones

[twin dew]

Because all the important stuff is in the thin central thingie:

[twin dew]

One cable docking solutions.
Instead of power + data separately.

Important for some enterprise buyers.

[oblique tide]

That thin thing is fine

[twin dew]

Might look like that without very close look with magnification and still be broken.
Or just broke important connection between the connector and MB.

[oblique tide]

Great

[main sluice]

My PC completely fired itself last night after a update. Failed on boot, I tryed 5 methods to recover it using windows tools and command prompt. All failed. I did manage to make a new partition to boot from and back up my files. But to fix the problem I needed a fresh windows install. Which also failed untill I completely wiped all my system files. Finally got my expensive PC running again but at the cost of a fresh install 😔

[night girder]

But nothing lost but time?

Out of curiosity, how did you set up updating the system? Automatically? Between x and y hour?

[main sluice]

True. I only lost 4/5 hours but I have all my data. Not I accounting for the hour it will take to redownload all my programs. Not the end of the world just a massive inconvenience

[night girder]

Yeah, a bit annoying.

So many reports of funky stuff happening during/after windows updates. Almost russian roulette at this point.

[soft bloom]

Is it possible to discuss without politics why would world need tunnel between far east and Alaska?..
Afaik both regions are not really developed in terms of infrastructure with many isolated towns.

[warm jay]

Even on windows 10. Well it’s not a thing anymore but … I have an old PC, and the poor thing couldn’t detect his drive after update. Exacte same issue with windows 11. i thing update are automatically putting the file system to GPT. So legacy bios don’t work

[night girder]

Not sure if that's a tech conversation sounds more like general, but I aint no mod 🤷‍♂️

[main sluice]

I tryed uninstalling update. Hit errors, trys recovery, hit errors, tryed back up, hit errors. Tryed bootrec /fixboot hit errors. But I managed to make a new partition and install boot. Then get in to bios and manually select the new partition. Even Wen installing windows It hit errors till I formated my system files

[warm jay]

That’s a thing ?

[soft bloom]

Huh, maybe.
But infrastructure is quite a technical topic

[night girder]

Did you check the old data? You can access it? Nothing corrupted?

[soft bloom]

Potential new thing

[main sluice]

I can access all my data it's only the system 32 that corrupted

[warm jay]

Is that from a private company or public financement ?

[night girder]

Did you have a restore point?

[main sluice]

Yes it failed on 2 previous updates saved as restore points

[night girder]

Wondering if that works between updates. Highly doubt it.

[night girder]

Haha, fucking knew it 🤣

[warm jay]

I failed a windows using restore point …

I don’t think they are even useful anymore

[night girder]

In the future, we have two m2 SSD's. One to have current version. When we update. Update goes to number 2 and that become main. When you update it goes back to 1.
If something fails, you boot the failsafe SSD 🤣

[main sluice]

It said it has found error and fixed at multiple points but Wen u restart the pc it still boots in recovery mode

[night girder]

or everyone goes linux.

[main sluice]

Smart

[bronze jasper]

linux updates can faiil too. different distros do it differently.

ubuntu's newest update broke all flatpaks

[night girder]

Fail that hard? That you need to spend hours trying to restore it and get it going again?

[bronze jasper]

once i updated and xwindows stop loading

[warm jay]

Oof. Idk if Linux mint is affected

[bronze jasper]

yup. it all depends on the system and the software

[night girder]

I mean it's still code*, made by (partly) humans so prone to human mistakes/errors.

But I just whish there was a robust failsafe for updates.

[warm jay]

I trust more human coding Linux (even when failing) than Microsoft’s IA

[night girder]

Imagine the system does it automatically, have a failsafe, try to update, if update fails, automatically revert to failsafe.

Easier said than done ofc 😊

[bronze jasper]

recovery partitions have always been a thing. people just don't like using them because rsync is hard to configure automagically and eats resources while it's syncing

[main sluice]

My main issue was I've been hooked on satisfactory the last 2 weeks and put in 60+ hours. If I lost my world I think I mite of quite but luckily I kept back ups and steam backs up saves

[night girder]

Yeah.

[bronze jasper]

also, they eat a whole partition

[night girder]

I used recovery partition that don't work.

[bronze jasper]

i could put games on that partition!

[night girder]

That's why I added the robust part 😄

Btw; Apple failed on me also in the past when updating and trying to recover.

[languid gulch]

my new pc got sent to me with un-activated win11 pro on it, and fun fact: can't just use a win11 home key & demote/downgrade it. so i had to install win10 home that i had a key for, then upgrade to win11 home

[warm jay]

Sound like fun ! But aren’t windows 10 key working for 11 ? Pretty sure the opposite worked so far

[languid gulch]

super dumb, no idea why

microsoft BS i suppose

[warm jay]

Probably

[languid gulch]

i was fine with it. minor issue since it was a fresh build and one hell of an upgrade

[warm jay]

They patched using old computer licenses also. I tried a know good windows 7 key and it doesn’t work

[main sluice]

I've never got windows keys. Microsoft are like pay £110 for a key..... Or buy for £10 online 🤔

[warm jay]

Or use mas

[languid gulch]

oh yea i think my key is a windows 8 one

old dead laptop probably

[warm jay]

That’s actually a really cheap way to find ms key

[languid gulch]

yup

just hiding in the registry

[bronze jasper]

my windows 11 is activated with a retail windows 10 pro key i bought from a reseller.

[warm jay]

When I used windows 10 I also got one like that

Do you guys use a ms account ?

[bronze jasper]

yeah. but i deactivate one drive and all of the such

[languid gulch]

use, or have?

[bronze jasper]

i dont care if i'm being spied on or data collected

[warm jay]

Use

[languid gulch]

yea i just have it for logon stuff, got onedrive disconnected

and all the telemetry turned off that i can

[bronze jasper]

i like how it syncs all the little settings. its been years since i had to tell explorer to show hidden files and extensions

[warm jay]

I also turn off as much telemetry as I can, but I’m on local account. Sadly I have to use windows for my work laptop

[languid gulch]

i did do some of that integration on my parents' phones so that they can jump between phone & pc as seamlessly as possible

[bronze jasper]

i mostly turn off onedrive because it's resource intensive

[languid gulch]

and we're of the "nothing important is really done or stored" thru it

[languid gulch]

i have onedrive turned off because quite a few games will somehow try to run off of what i can only assume is microsoft's cloud drives THRU my pc

like wtf

[warm jay]

Cloud are useful to sync things, but I’m to lazy to setup my own and don’t trust MS or other enough to use them

[languid gulch]

they're probably still monitoring/collecting the info, but this way it's proof that they're lying about it when they get caught and have a big lawsuit about it

[warm jay]

Thats a way to see it Xd

[warm jay]

Not sure they can get lawsuit tho, MS is kind of a monopoly

[languid gulch]

oh i mean when the EU gets involved with it and actually has an effect

[warm jay]

And everything they do are on the term of service you HAVE to accept anyway

[bronze jasper]

they're being sued right now for that global outage that a 3rd party caused. that's why there's big changes to how update failures are handled now

[warm jay]

Yeah 1 year of free windows 10 if you have an account

[languid gulch]

lol

[bronze jasper]

the crowdstrike incident

[warm jay]

Didn’t know about that Xd

Oh yeah I know about that finaly, just didn’t know the name

[bronze jasper]

microsoft is probably settling really early to keep their name out of it

[warm jay]

That was a big one

[bronze jasper]

years ago they sued a guy i went to school with named Mike Rowe. He had a company called Mike Rowe Soft and they setn lawyers after him. I think it was the FSF that funded his defence and Microsoft ended up giving him a bunch of free shit. Being big doesn't mean they can't lose

[warm jay]

Why was him sued ?

[bronze jasper]

mikerowesoft.com infringes on their trademark

[languid gulch]

how dare he be born with that name

[bronze jasper]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._MikeRoweSoft i dont remember the exact details. they're mostly told here

[warm jay]

Thx

Oh only for phonetic resemblance ? Sound a bit extreme to sue someone for that. Plus that was probably a very good add for him

[languid gulch]

i love the "we had to act like assholes because copyright law demands it" defense

[night girder]

creative 17 year old

[cyan crescent]

Will most NAS OSs have the ability to upload to it from anywhere as long as you have internet?

[pure karma]

yes because it auto conects and replaces my local account after a while but no i dont willingfully use it

[shell meadow]

Pretty much all of them can be accessed from outside your network via port-forwarding

[cyan crescent]

i dont know how to properly set that up.

[shell meadow]

You'll find a lot of tutorials on the web, it's pretty easy nowadays

First try to set up a local NAS properly and then check some vids about opening it to the network

Dont skip the security advices as port forwarding literally opens a gate between the world and your private network

I personally opted for the easy way and bought a Synology NAS

[cyan crescent]

I am building my own

[shell meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/hat-tip-hats-off-respect-boy-yankees-gif-17680220

[cyan crescent]

Still need to figure out what nas os i want

[shell meadow]

Tbh a simple debian with samba shares would be enough

[cyan crescent]

I want to be able to transfer data to and from it from any device, apple, android or pc.

[shell meadow]

Idk about apple i dont use their products

But linux will allow you anything as long as you use the appropriate packages

You'll just have to thicken the security layers with certificates and/or built in vpn server

Firewall also

[jagged snow]

Which is not recommended, exposing services like that puts you more at risk.
If you don't need public access, use a VPN.
@cyan crescent

[winged valley]

Samba (SMB) is universal, every device natively supports it. I'm pretty sure everything supports WebDAV too but that's an incredibly shitty protocol. NFS is better than SMB under the hood but it can be a little clunky to get working. Natively supported on Linux and Mac, I believe Android and IOS too not sure. Windows needs a driver to connect to it tho

Every NAS OS supports SMB and NFS

WebDAV is mostly reserved for actual applications such as Nextcloud

I use unraid, I like it. Though when I build my next server (whenever that is) I'm switching to truenas with 5Gbit instead of 2.5Gbit

And yeah, do not port forward anything related to your NAS. Port forward a VPN, maybe some game servers, and that's it. It's a security nightmare if you expose storage to the internet

[twin dew]

And at some point, my cars rear differential cover was installed back without the locator pins...
So the project slips to right, as I need to order new ones on monday...

Before I bought it used.

[cyan crescent]

How do i port forward a vpn?

[twin dew]

That was for running VPN server locally, for your own use when not at home.

[cyan crescent]

I want my parents in MN to be able to access my nas in VA

[twin dew]

That would need that VPN with split routing, so only the traffic to the NAS goes through the VPN.

[cyan crescent]

This nas stuff is still a bit new to me.

Does nordvpn have that?

[twin dew]

Not related to that kind of VPN providers...

[cyan crescent]

Ah. Then idk

[twin dew]

Same technology, but as YOUR machine acting as VPN server for the machine your parents use.
And not using NordVPN or like as the VPN server.

But configured in way where all traffic from your parents machine doesn't go through your machine/server, only the traffic to your LAN.

[cyan crescent]

Imma need help when i set this up.

My parents aren’t that tech literate so it would need to be an easy setup on their end.

[glossy glacier]

Use tailscale. No port forwarding required and split gateway possible too

[visual tree]

I was considering using tailscale to trick Netflix into thinking I am at my sister's apartment and not in a different household

[dire igloo]

Basically:

VPN merely describes the tech that allows you to encrypt your network packets and send it to a specific server that decrypts it and sends it wherever it needs to go.

In the case of NordVPN, they host their own endpoints, so instead of connecting to netflix.com you connect to server37857483.nordvpn.com and that server connects to netflix.com
And because the data inside a VPN is encrypted, the only network traffic leaving your machine is a bunch of nonsense addressed to NordVPN.

But nothing about VPN technology requires you to connect to a specific provider, you can just be your own provider.
In your usecase:
Your home network includes a server that is open to the internet. That server is your VPN server, its only job is to accept authorized encrypted traffic from the outside, decrypt it and forward it inside your home network.
And your NAS at home doesn't need to be open to the internet because any data exchange happens with another machine in the same network - either your PC at home or the VPN server where your parents are connected to.

[dire igloo]

Tailscale is a tool for self-hosting a VPN server, right?

[visual tree]

Just checked and tailscale is available on Amazon Fire Stick 😄

Now I also need to install it on any of my sister's devices

[night girder]

My webshop added hearts to their products. To show how many people like the product. But they forgot, they had a filter called "popular" to filter on popular products. Guess what happened. It doesn't make sense. Maybe someone in here knows wtf is going on.

I would expect 32 hearts to be first. Or whatever has most likes.

[dire igloo]

Maybe popularity uses other/more metrics than hearts or likes.

I could think of site visits, number of orders, orders per site visit and probably more

[night girder]

one second.

[dire igloo]

was about to say "AI hallucinations"

[night girder]

Oh good spot. AI generated

I was already thinking, why would anyone put, cable management, one the corners of cables 🤔

[twin dew]

Lot of other things wrong in that "image" too.

[dire igloo]

Anyways, if this was a real PC, some form of decorative clip or tape

[night girder]

Nah 🤣

The cable going horizontal through the whole case is fine.

To power whats seems the fan at the back lol

3 sticks of ram? I mean, I don't see anything wrong tbh. 🤣

[dire igloo]

Three sticks of RAM, GPU branding that's more Cyrillic than Roman, CPU block without tubing, bunch of tubes going nowhere

GPU power receptacles look thoroughly fucked

[night girder]

also, haha, look at the bottom of the case?

like someone put out a cigarette.

[dire igloo]

Bent GPU

[dire igloo]

Eh, modders do some wonky shit
The PC is obviously designed like a custom loop with sleeved tubing that's identical to the cable sleeves

[night girder]

What woudl you define as good cable management btw?

[dire igloo]

It's doesn't get in the way of anything, isn't a safety hazard and it's easy to add or remove stuff

[twin dew]

Just AI "knowing" there need to be holes in the bottom, but not "knowing" they are in regular grid.

[night girder]

I am just trying to find inspiration for cablemanagement. See how other people do it.

I know for some this is already good cablemangement.

[dire igloo]

Squeeze the back panel real hard

[night girder]

But even that doesn't look that great to me. Maybe I expect too much?

It seems alright, but then top left corner they gave up lol.

[dire igloo]

You're judging cable management aesthetically, when imo it's a functional thing

Most of that is covered anyway

[night girder]

For sure. Because it's a visual thing anyway.

Besides the colors, many would SEE the difference between the two, regardless of practical implications.

[dire igloo]

People will use hordes of single use cable ties to make it look neat and all I'll see is the absolute nightmare it's gonna be when they want to change anything

[twin dew]

My current main computer:

[night girder]

Velcro zip ties, they hold? Eh not expensive anyway to buy new ones.

[dire igloo]

Very neatly packed and ordered

Mine is "not gonna bother unless the panel won't close"

[dire igloo]

Yup, like a charm

[twin dew]

Router/firewall and server:

[night girder]

I respect that. But I am about to swap out PSU so I might as wsell do it nice.

And, it's just something I want to do. Clean up the cable management for my current system. Give it a good dust out.

[dire igloo]

What case is that?

[night girder]

Maybe add some velcro. I was even thinking of using colored velcro to follow routes of cables more easily, but that might be too much.

Also, David, that PSU list is veyr nice. Just tell the owners to stop being stubborn. And lock the headers 🤣
I read the reddit post of the owner of the googlesheet not bending the knee. Resulting in people copy/pasting the excel to their own drive and manipulating it.

[dire igloo]

Outside of removing dust/debris, cleaning up cable management can mean two things.
Remove clutter so adding/removing stuff becomes easier or making everything look a lot nicer

[twin dew]

Fractal Design Nodes.
304 for firewall and 804 for server.

[dire igloo]

To a certain degree, they go hand in hand

[night girder]

And I need to replace my PSU I mean, what better time to tackle cable management 😄

[twin dew]

Works fine.
I'm using stuff that comes in a roll, and you cut to size.
20e for 25m.

[night girder]

Hehe, I can buy megekko brand zip toes if I want.

[dire igloo]

Yeah, they're obnoxious.
I've seen countless arguments about them wanting to keep ZTT in there.
One of the contributors got banned there recently when one of the mods went on a rampage, kinda hoped that's the reminder they needed

[night girder]

4.95 for 10 pieces.

[dire igloo]

I'd love to just not recommend that list to people and just keep referring to the cultists, but their list has been last updated two and a half years ago and from what I've heard, they abandoned the project for good

[night girder]

I am going to summarize here;

Somebody asked on reddit to let them copy/paste the sheet because the headers are not locked into place. So when you scroll, you lose the header information.
The owner said; please do not copy/paste it. We put a lot of work into it.
Then a comment below, a link to a copy/pasted on with better UX. 🤣

[dire igloo]

Those are too long for internal cable management imo.
Better suited for the setup than the PC

[night girder]

let me check length, can be deceiving on picture.

210 mm

[dire igloo]

That's waaaay too long.
Mine are like 12cm and already too much

[night girder]

But, I don't trust it. With all respect to my neighbours up north, they cut corners a lot for profit.
a.k.a very low production costs, average price to consumer, shit quality.

[dire igloo]

The important part is the strength of the loop at the end

And the strength of the Velcro itself

[night girder]

Ideally, but that's just me nitpicking fucking zipties for cable management, reusable.

Because I don't like waste

Also there is a ziptie and this is the only picture:

[dire igloo]

Reusable Velcro ties are nice in general cuz you can just add stuff to a strand of cables or pull one out without creating waste

[night girder]

I have a hunch what is on the other side, but still, c'mon 🤣

[dire igloo]

I hate how finicky reusable plastic zip ties are

[night girder]

and to remove them... I use them on stage, because you just cut em off with the leatherman.

but I am not doing that in my PC case.

[dire igloo]

Single use zip ties are definitely quicker

[night girder]

Last, I didn't know this exists;

I know there were sleeves, but not with ... the thing in the middle from a jacket.

[twin dew]

zipper

[night girder]

Thanks! Zipper.

[twin dew]

That front panel cabling was made so I can just drop the front panel for fan filter cleaning:

And it just folds in nicely.

[night girder]

Lovely Baldur.

I need to check the manual on how to clean front 🤣

Anyway, ty for input. Will order PSU probably within a month together with new monitor.
Will see how it goes 😄

[glossy glacier]

Tailscale is a Software/Provider.
You need to provide all nodes yourself, they provide management, connection handling and NAT traversal.

[dire igloo]

That's the point of self-hosting, no?
You provide the infrastructure, they give you the tools to build the service

[glossy glacier]

it's not 100% self hosted, because the software makes a connection via tailscales servers

[dire igloo]

Ah, so not fully DIY VPN but I reckon it's gonna be easier to manage

[glossy glacier]

this. you lose full control but you gain easy setup and config

install client, register to your account and done for P2P

a bit more config to set up as an exit node so you can route all traffic over it, but nothinng too complicated

[pure karma]

you know its cold when your pc is at room temperatures

cpu and gpu been hovering around 20-100W at idle but thats still a fair bit

if your pc isent chugigng along like a steam locomotive its just simply not cold enough

[cobalt ivy]

Why is there so many

[soft bloom]

techincally, that's on topic and not technical

[pure karma]

army marching reference (also this is off topic)

[twin dew]

Or just any march, including civilian ones.

Any kind of parade.

[night girder]

Why does this even matter. That they are German? What does that tell me as a consumer. Or is German bulk caps, a type of bulk cap? And not the origin of production?

[twin dew]

Just that they aren't "japanese", which are seen as the gold standard, basically.

[night girder]

Whats wrong with japanese bulk caps?

[twin dew]

As in the manufacturing brand.

[twin dew]

Point was that specific japanese brands are seen as the gold standard for electrolytic capacitors.

[night girder]

Also, if you look below, You see that X caps are melting under 100VAC. Wonder if those are also german X caps. I don't know. It's so weird to mention it.

Let's see if I can find any mention of japanese bulk caps, just for fun and giggles.

Ok, I respect that.

[twin dew]

Basically just artifact from the capacitor plague times, when taiwanese companies tried to use incomplete japanese electrolyte formula that they had gotten via industrial espionage.

Which caused that capacitor plague.

[night girder]

Cooler Master - Masterwatt - Maker MIJ - 1200W. That's the only one that has made in Japan good build quaility mentioned in the googlesheet.

[twin dew]

So X-cap is specific placed capacitor for input safety, but that specific PSU has something wrong in the selected cap, and it gets overloaded when input voltage drops too low, and fails.

[night girder]

Yeah, I was looking into Lian Li PSU, just to see how it was going. And saw they go boom.

Weird beause some of the Lian Li's are "german bulk caps" and then another one just burns your house down.

That's the full view of it. Made in 2022. Not that old.

[twin dew]

Bulk cap means the gigantic capacitor on the AC side, that handles keeping the feed to the VRM stage more stable than raw AC.

Can also mean some of the other capacitors later handling bulk currents, compared to smaller caps that do more of filtering role.

[night girder]

The X has nothing to do with the weak point on some caps right?

if I remember correctly, some caps have a weak point build into them so they could pop off under pressure, or even pop open?

[twin dew]

X-capacitor is specific cap on input filtering and protection step, before the actual PSU.

[twin dew]

That top one is that X-cap, bottom is Y-cap, both are basically between the PSU input connector, and the actual PSU PCB.

[night girder]

Thanks for information, I am not going for Lian Li though 😄 I am happy with the case from em, not convinced for PSU.

[twin dew]

https://www.edn.com/a-short-primer-on-x-and-y-capacitors-in-ac-power-supply/

Where that RV is the MOV for overvoltage protection.

[night girder]

Yeah, for a moment I though the X refered to that.

Because it's also a cross. (left one you can see clearly).

Middle one is gone. And right one only split vertical.

[twin dew]

Yeah, that is just pre-made partial cut to cause preset weakpoint, so that failing electrolytic capacitor fails semisafely, and not as a bomb.

That transient filtering stage on Corsair RM850x 3.1 with X- and Y-caps and MOV, etc.

On that PSU, there doesn't seem to be the classic bulk capacitor(s) anymore.
But more replacements as those six tall electrolytes later:

More classic with two giant bulk capacitors on right:

[winged valley]

Chemcaps are only used because they're cheaper compared to ceramic ones right?

[twin dew]

Electrolytics give much more capacitance for same size.

[winged valley]

o

[twin dew]

And the only real downside of electrolytics as bulk capacitance source is the limited lifetime.

[winged valley]

This is funny to me

[twin dew]

But as "bad" bulk caps are 1000-5000h @ 85C, and you can on average multiply that lifetime by 10 for each 10C below the rating...

Which is why 105C caps are seen as better than 85C, as they give 100 times the life at same temperature.

But as long as the bulk caps capacitance doesn't drop below necessary level over the use life of the PSU, it doesn't matter what the cap specs are.
You can use larger caps with worse nominal spec life, to get same actual life.
As that lifetime is measured again as "when the capacitance has dropped to 70% of initial" IIRC.

[night girder]

What can justify this price increase 😒

[twin dew]

Not much for most users.
There is extra costs from the second one being 80+ Titanium vs 80+ Gold, but also then extra for just being the highest end PSU they make.

At this point, making 80+ Gold PSU is easy and cheap.
Reaching 80+ Titanium needs much more expensive components.

But that would AFAIK only explain 50-100% of the price increase.

[night girder]

And then you also have this I found out 😄

12M vs 13M of same model line of be quiet!

Meaning the 13M has the certificate tested on 115V.

But does that matter much for consumer?

[twin dew]

80+ only cares about efficiency for most part, so in theory smaller electrical bills, but in most places that saves less than the difference in cost over the PSUs lifetime.

[night girder]

Mhm. Ok, well. It's the best I found so far using the SPL list and local stores, as recommended by creator of SPL list who said; look in your local stores what's sold/popular and then compare to list.

But 13M got comment "excellent noise" profile so that's why I was interested in that one.

[twin dew]

be quiet! Pure Power 13 M 750W:
https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/2844/

[night girder]

😒

[twin dew]

Pure Power 12 isn't in their DB at all.

[night girder]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/htmlview#gid=1973454078

[twin dew]

For 750W model.

[night girder]

🤷‍♂️

550W-1200W, I assume 750W is between 550 and 1200 🤣

[twin dew]

This contains SPL graph over load range.

[night girder]

let me check

[twin dew]

Point was that "Pure Power 12 M 750W" hasn't been tested for Cybernetics rating.
Other submodels of 12 M have.

[night girder]

That's ... weird. So tweakers making stuff up (again)?

[twin dew]

https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=psu-performance-database

[night girder]

Because it says gold for 750W 12M by cybenetics.

[twin dew]

But only the 850W and 1000W Pure Power 12M:s are in that DB.

[night girder]

So making stuff up?

[twin dew]

Probably using nearest tested models rating for some reason.

Which isn't right, but is usually close.

[night girder]

https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/1821/

What is that then?

[twin dew]

Dark power

[night girder]

Right.

[twin dew]

be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 850W:
https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/2157/

be quiet! Pure Power 13 M 850W:
https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/2841/

[night girder]

Yeah, I am also trying to see what happened here.

[twin dew]

Very common thing in past to only actually certify one specific power level of PSU, and then market with that data for all the submodels.

[night girder]

it's neither in the performance DB.

I am still confused.

So, this is the 13M.

It has 230V score.

[twin dew]

It has both.

[night girder]

So why does tweaker show the 115V.

[twin dew]

That you would need to ask them.

[night girder]

Yeah, but that has nothing to do with what I was about to say 😛

Because they say that "tweakers prefers to show 230V rating if possible"

[twin dew]

Might only have had 115V data at some point.
Note that that specific testing was completed during this summer.

And again might actually be from some other variants testing, from before that specific model had been tested.