off-topic-tech

[night girder]

Also fun fact.

OOSU was made in Germany

[twin dew]

But ok, Hyper-V isn't messing with the OOBE, just the later Win11 installers not having that bypass for network connection.

[night girder]

I don't know. Just found out about OOSU today. But all I know is what you saying is not correct.

Settings != OOSU

[twin dew]

That it is simple UI to set lot of Windows settings, that do have other ways to setting them?
Most in Settings app.

As they are hidden and spread out in Settings.

[glossy glacier]

yeah, because the hv-network drivers are integrated, so network work out of the box. you need to set the vNIC to not connected (or remove it)

[night girder]

While there is a clear overlap, I disabled everything in settings. And still OOSU reported things I had no clue about. Can be wrong from OOSU. But it's doing something else then simply toggling settings.

And if you believe that, then don't use it 🤷‍♂️ And have fun with settings? 😄

[twin dew]

Because it includes depricated and removed stuff.
And you can set the values for those to anything, and Windows doesn't care.

[night girder]

I mean, I rather believe OOSU at this point than whatever MS settings report.

[twin dew]

As whatever used to use those settings values in Registry doesn't exist anymore.

[night girder]

I would reset it all to default and show that settings != OOSU reports.
But I am testing my PC to see if it still crashes so can't restart. And OOSU needs restart to apply everything

[twin dew]

No, point was that later Win11 installer doesn't allow me to go past that "Let's connect you to a network" screen without working networking.

[night girder]

Because OOSU is simply toggling settings in the setting menu right? So that requires restart

[glossy glacier]

ah yeah. they removed the button awhile ago. bypassnro only

[twin dew]

Point was that I was seeing if Hyper-V was messing at runtime or not, answer was not.

It was just that that selection was removed between the Win 11 21H2 and Win11 22H2 images I had.

[night girder]

So where is button you saw?

[twin dew]

Win 11 Pro 21H2 without networking:

Win11 Pro 23H2 with networking:

[glossy glacier]

default gone, appears with bypass

[night girder]

Windows 11 version 21H2 was released on October 5, 2021.... =_=

[twin dew]

I did just show how to make local user in 23H2 Pro with networking.
Doing same on Win11 25H2 Pro in a moment, just setting up the VM.

[night girder]

So like I said; would make no sense if windows did that.
Does it make sense they did it 5 years ago? Yes. But that install is even deprecated afaik.

[twin dew]

I talked about using local user to install on Pro.
Not bypassing networking requirement during OOBE.
Just went differently in Win 23H2 Pro than I remembered.

Without using any command line or bypasses or edits to base MS install image.

[twin dew]

I didn't join domain.

I just selected option that would later have allowed to join domain.
I don't have domain controller.

I'll go through the full thing on 25H2 and show I'm not connected to a domain at the end.

Local user, non-modified etc. installer, no domain.

Using just released 25H2.

Also, that BypassNRO.cmd is still in in this release image:

So the plans to remove it didn't make it in for this year.

As this was the image version that was actually released for enterprise etc. customers.
With future updates over the year with the updates so far rolled in.

Windows 11 build 26200.6584 is the official general availability build of Windows 11 2025 Update. It was released to the Windows Insiders in the Release Preview Channel on 9 September 2025 as the KB5054156 enablement update to build 26100.6584 (KB5065426). The installation media for this build were discovered on the public Microsoft download servers on 22 September 2025 as the RTM build, and then made available on 30 September 2025 as part of the public launch of Windows 11 2025 Update. The update has also been released to the Enterprise LTSC and IoT Enterprise LTSC SKUs without enablement update, thus resulting in major build number staying at 26100 in these SKUs.

At least for that business versions ISO, not going to check the consumer ISO.

Doing Win 10 22H2 Pro and Win 10 22H2 Home installs now to show what I was mixing up in my head.

Ok, there wasn't really difference between those two without networking, and with networking, the OOBE updated to new version that matched what Win11 does now.

And I cannot show how those screens looked in older versions, with networking, as the OOBE gets updated.
And using that "network needed" bypass would invalidate the later screens too.

[pure karma]

It is regedit yea

how else would you kill edge

[glossy glacier]

-# by useing an european version of windows

[night girder]

👍

[visual tree]

My company just started updating laptops to Windows 11 (I think they are updating BIOS first and then installing Windows 11)

Yes, I know it's Dell....

[night girder]

Still updating?

[visual tree]

BIOS has been updated and Windows 11 install is almost done

Need to buy a gift for that IT guy so he can enable windows 10 right-click menu

Since you need admin rights for that in order to edit registry editor

[twin dew]

It is using HKEY_CURRENT_USER key, so shouldn't need admin rights to change.

You can use regedit on the Current_User stuff without admin.

[visual tree]

I'll have to ask that person first since I am not sure if we are allowed to edit registry without permission

[night girder]

if it's not locked down, I guess it's permitted?

[visual tree]

Because that W11 right-click menu is a nightmare. I removed it on my personal computer because I can't get used to it

[night girder]

Else company finds a way to make sure you can't even access it in the first place. At least in my experience.

[visual tree]

At least I can install python packages without permit. You have to disconnect from VPN though or the powershell download won't work

Asked ChatGPT to make a python script for renaming payment confirmation based on invoice number inside a pdf document and it actually works fine

But because it's a simple python scrypt. AI can't handle complex scripts

Otherwise, I would have to rename hundreds of payment confirmations by hand and that would take 1 hour at least

[soft bloom]

hehe
I saw some windows discussion earlier today that I didn't read
and booting win showed a realy slow-loading classic 'we ask for permission to break your privacy' kind fo screen
with no x or any other interactible thing to close it, while it was loading
So I got inpatient, and alt+F4
turns oiut that works lol

[twin dew]

Check if those settings are now set to off or on by default?

I would expect they are on, as you had accepted.

[soft bloom]

well, to be fair, I don't even know what it would ask since it didn't load

imagine using OS that by default breaks your privacy...

[twin dew]

Just pictured here:

[soft bloom]

location is off

it's not new install, but it did try to ask again these questions before

[night girder]

[soft bloom]

huh, might have been diagnostics, since I believe I did turn those off before

why this is even an option!?

[night girder]

We are so blessed that settings is overviewable.

And we don't ahve to click every tab to see what values is in it.

But atleast this UI works on phones/tablets. So Microsoft got what they wanted.

[night girder]

Who knows Zip Tie Tuning channel on YT?

[glossy glacier]

Tangentially

[night girder]

Well, yeah. Because I just got a video suggested from them "Why Linus Tech Tips FIRED Us" and was intrigued 😄

[jagged snow]

From what I've heard that's kinda a clickbait title

Secondhand summary was "fired us because we asked them to and gave us a solid severence package"

[night girder]

But mostly intresting because a bunch of ex LTT's making a new tech channel.

[glossy glacier]

That's the only video of them I saw too xD

[twin dew]

Linus stopped doing car stuff, they started their own small channel to continue doing car stuff, then linus group wanted that channel when it started to gain traction.
And after they didn't work for Linus anymore, they could also start a new tech channel.
From that same single video.

[pure karma]

violated a imaginary non compete once the channel started pulling views and essentially LTT held the channel hostage unless they got fired and dident use any contacts from ltt going forward and then the non compete aparently got yeeted into the trash after… kinda suspicious

[twin dew]

In other news: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Qualcomm-Acquires-Arduino

[twin dew]

Because that kind of non-compete isn't legal in Canada?

[visual tree]

You were right. Ran few commands in cmd and managed to change right-click menu to old style without even having to reset my laptop 👍

Now I am going to tell my coworkers how I did it if they pay me beer

[night girder]

I love tech drama.

[visual tree]

My coworkers also moved to Windows 11 and warned them they might lose sanity because of windows 11 right-click menu lol

[twin dew]

Only thing really missing is Copy To, but in turn some new things like Compress to are only in the new menu.

And any third party program additions that haven't been updated.

[visual tree]

Microsoft butchered that right-click menu

[night girder]

I hate it.

but I avoid it and work around.

[visual tree]

Same, immediately changed it on my personal computer and now on company laptop

[twin dew]

What is so different in usability?

[night girder]

You really want to point it out?

[visual tree]

I hate how cut, copy, rename, etc aren't listed vertically like in windows 10

[twin dew]

Somewhat better (always close to the click), somewhat worse (not always in same place)

[visual tree]

I prefer having everything listed vertically

[night girder]

Also why have more options 🤷‍♂️ That's an extra click.

[twin dew]

But to my eye, the reason for that change seems to have been to get those all to always be in same relative position compared to the right-click.

[night girder]

Can it show VLC, Winrar etc?

[twin dew]

If they update to the new menu, yes.

[night girder]

How do I create a shortcut with right click menu? Is it under show more options?

So many things that just worked. For no reason, changed. That's my opinion.

[twin dew]

Right-drag?

[night girder]

Why? I am used to click Create Shortcut.

That's not a good answer.

"Hey they removed "rename" from the right click menu" - "Just open command and enter 'ren file.txt new_name.txt'

Muscle memory, works flows. People are used to stuff. Telling them to get used a different way is a bit "meh" to me.

[twin dew]

Rename is up to, now always in same relative position to the cursor when menu is opened?

[night girder]

But I don't hold it against MS. I hate the new menu. I didsabled it in registry asap.

[twin dew]

So muscle memory would work better after the change, once retrained.
And you couldn't have muscle memory before, as the options location would change depending on the right-click position on the screen.

[night girder]

Just not worth it to me, to relearn a right click menu, that worked perfect.

Just because they want their OS to be phone/tablet compatible.

I hate it when Apple did it to their OS. I hate it when Microsoft does it. Stop making an OS that has to run on all devices. You lose so much details between different devices. And pros/cons.

[twin dew]

And other point was those third party program additions, as too many were just spamming the base level, and not placing things into program submenu.
New menu restricts to that, old one doesn't and the API cannot realistically be changed.

[night girder]

Where is "run as admin"?

Under "show more options?"

[twin dew]

Right there as third from top?

[night girder]

Ah, didn't see that. 👍

Also, the current run as admin stands out way more. Yellow color.

I am so happy Apple didn't get the bright idea to start messing with the right click menu.

Still waiting for them to admit they fucked up settings and revert it back.

But they will not do that for a few years. Until most forgot about it. And then reintroduce the old system settings and tell consumers all they made this crazy new intuitive design or something.

[twin dew]

Yes, but also not as important when the location is fixed in the menu no matter what extra software is installed on the machine.

[night girder]

True, it still helps me eye. I look for yellow/blue shield and click

[twin dew]

But basically the old menu had major issues with how third party software added stuff to it willy-nilly only caring about their own options getting front and center.
Some parts of the new menu are worse than the old menu, for specific points, but overall I count it as a major win.

[night girder]

I mean Asablic reverted it. I reverted it. I wonder how many people use the old right click menu.

[twin dew]

Lot of the prosumer crowd, including Asablic, seem to just have disabled it by default from start, without ever really trying to use it.
Just because it is different, and as in the start, lot of software hadn't updated to add their extra items to the new menu.

[night girder]

Good point, but microsoft could just adress that issue. And keep new UI as close as possible to original UI.
Or have a toggle to let people edit the right click menu how they want (now that would be sick).

[twin dew]

So you needed to constantly go to that old menu via shift-right-click or that more options selection.

[night girder]

Just because a few apps play dirty, is no excuse to butcher a right click menu in my opinion.

And if you want to overhaul, you can always decide to have two instances in place (old next to new). And I know the drawbacks. But it's possible.
Just not feasible for companies most of the time.

[twin dew]

Part of my reason for moving to NanaZip was because 7-zip dev isn't going to add support for the new menu at all.

Personal bias basically against it, so he will not support it for anyone.

[night girder]

We have settings and control panel. We know Microsoft did it in the past.

But since they still stuck with control panel, I guess the lesson they learned is never to do that again.

And just yonk out features and fully replace it. Not have two things kinda do the same thing but also not.

[night girder]

I find this very normal.

If you are a carpenter, you don't want your tools to change every week and move location around the workshop.
It's just not efficient.

[twin dew]

I didn't do the change immediately when I started using Windows 11.
And once I switched from 7-zip to its fork with proper Win11 support, didn't need to at all.

But originally thought I would have to, but wanted to confirm first.

[night girder]

I rarely use default archiver/zipper on this machine. So no need to have 3rd party one.

[twin dew]

Ok, I do still use shift+right-click sometimes to use PowerShell here and Linux console here options, but those aren't visible without that shift even if you used the old menu by default.

But ok, the now default "Open in Terminal" just opens whatever is your default shell at that location, so that Powershell here is not needed either.
So only opening WSL console needs that shift+rightclick.

[night girder]

You got to use it 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

I did say the options aren't there without that shift even if you use the old menu by default.

So no difference between using new or old menu on that.

[night girder]

Hehe, what is AMD Software: Adrenalin Edition doing there

[twin dew]

And now that that default shown "Open in Terminal" opens whatever shell you have set, and not the old command prompt, that powershell here isn't needed either.

Just checked and it could even be set to open WSL shell.

[night girder]

I don't even have the AMD thing on the old menu.

[twin dew]

Not there if clicking on file or folder, there if clicking on folder background.

[night girder]

Ah nvm. I do. Wtf.

What is it doing there.

Never do I think, I need AMD let me right click my background and open it that way.

I either press windows key and type it in. Or it's in my system tray (it always boots up with system, but sometimes crahes).

[twin dew]

Settable AMD Software settings.

[night girder]

?

[twin dew]

Ah, sorry, mistake on my part

But the main point is being in the menu when right-clicking on desktop, Intel too does that, haven't checked if it is also in other folder background right-clicks or not.

[night girder]

I think Nvidia does it too sadly.

from the internet:

[glossy glacier]

TBF, nvidia is desktop only, amd is everywhere

[pure karma]

only in more options atleast

[night girder]

www.nobelprize.org/prizes/physics/2025/popular-information/

Figure 2. When you throw a ball at a wall, you can be sure it will bounce back at you. You would be extremely surprised if the ball suddenly appeared on the other side of a solid wall. This is exactly the type of phenomenon that has given quantum physics a reputation for being bizarre and unintuitive. ©Johan Jarnestad/The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences

Nail on the head. But cool stuff.

Never knew they did this experiment on a chip. Or that this was predecessor (or help laying the foundation for it) of quantum computers.

[mental oriole]

Basically magic:)))

[safe trench]

sourcery*

[midnight osprey]

Can I ask for a way to get cheap if not free audio books in here? lol

I wanna educate myself but am on a budget

Time for me to get spiritual

[jagged snow]

For actual physical books, Thriftbooks is great. Not sure if there's an audio thing similar to that.

[midnight osprey]

Cool I’ll look into that

I think I’d struggle with actually reading though

Audiobooks are less of a mental barrier.

I can listen as I hike with my dogs.

I’ve bought many books and never actually read them. Lol

[twin dew]

https://www.guru3d.com/story/synology-reverses-policy-banning-thirdparty-hdds-after-nas-sales-plummet/

[night girder]

The company seemed to believe that after QNAP’s well-known ransomware troubles, it could tighten control of the market without losing customers. Instead, the plan backfired—hard

If that was the true intent, and it backfired, Synology deserves it.

[twin dew]

Of course it was about getting bigger part of the pie on any NAS purchase, and their drives were just rebadges anyways, just with very high price.

[twin dew]

They didn't add something special into their own branded drives, and then warn to use those because of the extra features.
They locked every other drive out of features that had been supported in previous software versions on those drives.
Where some drives do support more complete monitoring, and buying Synology branded drives would ensure that.
But those Synology drives are just priced out of competition for most part.

[cyan crescent]

Will a Noctua NH-L9A be enough to cool a Ryzen 5 7600x for a nas?

[glossy glacier]

should be fine

[cyan crescent]

Might make it the nh-l9x65 just to be sure. That should fit in the jonsbo n1

[twin dew]

Just at the edge with default power limit by Noctuas site.
Using actual 65W ECO mode would give margin.

[twin dew]

Marked as compatible with that case on Noctua DB.

[tribal kraken]

3D scan with 3DMakerpro Lynx

USB turntable was not not harmed in the making of this movie

Did that with the finest settings. resulted about 4,3 million facets or 2,15 vertex for the mesh. About 45min work with scanning and processing

[soft bloom]

With more educated or spiritual?

[wanton orchid]

because it was never a solid wall
as in saying an atom is mostly made of void is completely bullshit because the common definition of void is what's around matter
matter which's definition stops are atoms level (not smaller level of study)
an atom is 100% made of an atom

it's academic bullshit and scamers who keep making these physics unintuitive

stop assuming random things and suddenly it's not so surprising

[twin dew]

Atom is made of the nucleus with protons and usually also neutrons.
With shell of electrons around, where outermost electron shell mostly determines the outer limits of what is considered atom.
But nucleus is just tiny bit in the center, and electrons are much tinier, so most of the "atom" is nothing, just tiny bit in center and then even tinier things zipping around in the surrounding space.

So you can shoot electrons, and even protons/neutrons through individual atoms without hitting anything most of the time.

And then all three of those are made of even smaller stuff (quarks).
We currently don't know if quarks are still made of smaller stuff or not.

[dire igloo]

to see how people found out:
Rutherford experiments

Basically shooting alpha radiation at a piece of metal foil and see how it scatters

[twin dew]

"Official" line is that they are the smallest, but that has been said for so many things before too, that it can change later.

[dire igloo]

(spoiler: most particles passed through and only very few bounced off)

[twin dew]

Like Atoms were the smallest at one point, and then protons, neutrons and electrons.

[dire igloo]

There's all this stuff with probability clouds tho cuz electrons show wave-particle-duality

[twin dew]

Yes

While part of atoms electron shell, not sure if also when "alone"

[dire igloo]

"Atom" comes from the Greek word for "indivisible" or "unsplittable"
So yeah, so much for that

[dire igloo]

If alone and unsupervised, they behave like an electromagnetic wave

[twin dew]

Ah, yeah...

[dire igloo]

I should use that term more often.
Adds some humor to quantum physics and wave-particle-duality if I call it "unsupervised"

[twin dew]

Best knowledge of the time, but not correct.
So same for the current "Quarks are indivisible", might be true, might not be true, just that based on our current understanding they are not composed of anything else.

[dire igloo]

I keep waiting for the unification of gravity and electromagnetism into one coherent theory

(plus strong and weak nuclear force, but they're complex sciency stuff so idk)

[twin dew]

Also related, the stuff we do to detect neutrinos, because most just pass through whole earth without single interaction:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceCube_Neutrino_Observatory

Also others, that is just AFAIK current largest.

[wanton orchid]

but electron neutron and proton are not small balls
it's not something you touch or observe directly
it's an element of an atom with interaction patterns and zones depending on external conditions
the "size" of an electron is not a cell shell or something
only atom we can more or less call the electron their border

[twin dew]

And I said none of those things?

[wanton orchid]

you said atom nucleus is very small in center of atom
it's just statistically there we find interactions

[twin dew]

I said "tiny", not trying to in any way determine the shape etc.
Just that there seems to be something in the center, which interacts, and which is tiny compared to the outer edges of the "atom", which is mostly determined by that outermost electron shell.
Where each of those electron "shells" isn't electron(s), it is just the area where one or more electrons seems to mostly be based on those probability clouds.

And that we have again determined that the actual interacting size of electron is still way smaller than even single proton.

Interacting as a mass/matter point, not as force causing thing.

And that we have determined that that central concentration is protons and neutrons.

[pure karma]

im not being paid enough to understand this conversation 😂

[wanton orchid]

all I'm saying is that people saying it's "99.997547324% made of void" are simply misleading everyone
void as in what people refer to : stops at molecular interaction levels

below is something else we study that define the broader rules we observes

example I like is country border length

if you zoom too much it's not even country anymore

this grain of salt circumference is not "part of" the country circumference, but part of what make the country have one

[twin dew]

So you were basically splitting hairs about using term "void" instead of that "nothing" that I used.
Not sure what the correct scientist used term is for the space that doesn't contain anything most of the time.

When it isn't space in some ways, but is in others.

[verbal raft]

damn shadows at VH are a real killer in this game

[twin dew]

https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/858tb-of-government-data-may-be-lost-for-good-after-south-korea-data-center-fire/

“The G-Drive couldn’t have a backup system due to its large capacity,” an unnamed official told The Chosun. “The remaining 95 systems have backup data in online or offline forms.”

https://eticaag.com/south-korean-data-center-fire-crashed-digital-services/

Where that quoted line is complete shit.
Just that having backup system to another location would have been very costly.

[jagged snow]

Some of that article also reads as if llm generated

[twin dew]

Yeah, I just took some mentions of that quickly, the original where I hit it was twitter link in Irc.

[jagged snow]

Yup

I'm seeing large passages that don't seem human-written

[twin dew]

Sorry for bad linking then.

[jagged snow]

No, you're good

I absolutely understand how that happens, I've done it myself

Was just saying that to inform people here, not to critique your source selection.

[jagged snow]

Yep
Saying "can't have a backup because it's a lot of data" is actually a pretty funny line

Oh, I also just realized those are essentially just advertisements as well

The company behind that website sells battery immersion cooling systems 😄

[twin dew]

Yeah, but basically that thing hasn't really made it into english language media in usable format.
The news versions are just even crappier.

Basic points:
South Korean Government had co-located all their servers in one datacenter.
That center had put Li-Ion UPSes in same space as the servers.
Li-Ion UPS went up in flames, which propagated and destroyed the hall to significant degree.
Some of the data wasn't backed up at all and is now lost.
That data was 30GB per civil servant cloud storage space, for total of 858TB of data when lost.

[jagged snow]

Yikes, that's pretty impressive

[twin dew]

Up to 30GB per civil servant.

[jagged snow]

Did they have ups in individual racks along with servers rather than a whole-building backup??

[twin dew]

Probably those rack-mount UPSes in same rack as each serviced.

Ok, no:

Authorities say the incident started when technicians disconnected a UPS battery module to move it to a basement; one cell exploded and initiated thermal runaway across a battery rack. The modules involved were produced by LG Energy Solution and — according to government briefings — dated August 2014, more than a year beyond the 10-year service life recommended by the manufacturer.

The fire’s effects were disproportionate. Officials report that 384 battery modules were destroyed and about 96 systems were directly damaged; in total 647 government systems were taken offline during emergency shutdowns — roughly one-third of the nation’s online public services.

[jagged snow]

Interesting that it happened on a disconnect

[twin dew]

Probably accidental short with tools.

[jagged snow]

Ahh, that'd do it

[twin dew]

As of 6 a.m. on Wednesday [October 8, 2025], 164 out of 647 systems had been restored, according to the Ministry of the Interior and Safety. That marks an increase of five systems from Tuesday afternoon, after partial recovery of servers operated by the National Data Agency.

[jagged snow]

Wow

Kinda wild that they decided to colocate everything

[twin dew]

Easier for physical security.
Easier to implement failovers and load-balancing.
Not so good for resiliency.

[jagged snow]

Easier to implement failovers within that site

But you have no cross-site failover 💀

[twin dew]

That is why it is easier to implement, as having to do it cross-site adds extra wrinkles. 😜

[jagged snow]

Of course, it just means you end up with a fundamentally less reliable system 😄

Which I'd say is unnaceptable for a datacenter that hosts several hundred critical government services

[coral timber]

Should I be concerned about my GPU?

[midnight osprey]

I’m a fan of both.

[pure karma]

looks like scuffed lighting behavior settigns so no not really unless its consistent across a lot of games

[coral timber]

alr makes sense with my aincent gpu, thanks

[sand saddle]

Estonia has so little faith in Russia not attacking us that I heard at least some of our government servers are located inside other EU countries or at least backups of those.

[jagged snow]

That's also kind of wild

Backups would make more sense if they were encrypted before being sent for backup

[sand saddle]

Data Embassy is an extension in the cloud of the Estonian government, which means the state owns server resources outside its territorial boundaries. This is an innovative concept for handling state information, since states usually store their information within their physical boundaries. Data Embassy resources are under Estonian state control, secured against cyberattacks or crisis situations with KSI Blockchain technology, and are capable not only providing data backups, but also operating the most critical services.

When we say “data embassy”, we mean a data centre. It is located in Luxembourg under a Tier 4 level of security – the highest level for data facilities. It is not an embassy in the traditional diplomatic sense and while the founding agreement does take into account the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, it is something completely new under international law. It is fully under the control of Estonia, but has the same rights as physical embassies such as immunity.

Luxembourg is the first data embassy location because of the high quality technical capacity, but also because of their openness to work with this new concept. In this collaboration, Luxembourg and Estonia are pathfinders in creating a unique and innovative way to ensure digital continuity in the world.

The Data Embassy kick-off took place in 2015 and the finalised agreement between Estonia and Luxembourg was signed in 2017. The development of the Estonian Government Cloud is a collaboration between the Estonian Government and private sector companies, including Cybernetica, Dell EMC, Ericsson, OpenNode, and Telia.

So yeah, pretty interesting

[safe trench]

this reminds me how ass windows is

would finish that off with a hehe emoji but this isnt even funny

[pure karma]

brother how many firefoxes are you downloading at once jesus christ

why do you need 8 installs

[safe trench]

clicked it multiple times because it was too slow

i thought it wasnt working

[pure karma]

Your a professional school pc user

[safe trench]

most certainly

[night girder]

Discord calling this a small amount: 70.000 goverment identification (ID) got stolen

And it seems, that that's the count of the amount of ID's uploadedd, so everything.

• 1,5TB data on verification photos send to discord.

• 2,1 miljoen pcitures.

Last two numbers are what the hackers claim they got their hands on.

[twin dew]

Might be 1.5TB of data and 2.1 million pictures, but I would expect that ZenDesk to contain lot more than just ID images uploaded.
So both can be true at same time.

[night girder]

1.5TB of verification photos (as stated in my message) != 1.5TB of data.

It would be 22MB per picture which seems very off (1,572,864 MB /70000 pictures)

[twin dew]

Point was that most such claims from hacking groups about data they took aren't really checked by them.
So just taking amount of total images and claiming all that as verification photos would be completely on par.
Or that claimed number is also the pics taken when doing face verification, and not ID verification.

[night girder]

Oh I agree. But both statements can't be trusted. Which is ironic

That's my point.

[night girder]

Whatsapp, you suck.

If you want to prevent AI reading your chats, you have to do that for each chat group you havbe.

"Advanced Chat Privacy," WhatsApp says “is a new setting available in both chats and groups helps prevent others from taking content outside of WhatsApp for when you may want extra privacy. When the setting is on, you can block others from exporting chats, auto-downloading media to their phone, and using messages for AI features. That way everyone in the chat has greater confidence that no one can take what is being said outside the chat.” So, no Meta AI intruding into any of those chats. It is stopped.

And this method is confirmed by WhatsApp. Meta is such a shit company.

[verbal raft]

bloody hell
https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-announces-xess-3-with-xess-mfg-multi-frame-generation

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-ceo-reacts-to-amd-openai-stake-deal/

Next family dinner will be intense (praying the link got through)

[night girder]

Ok, now I am pissed.

EU ~~cancels ~~ postpones vote on chat control because lack of support.

So, if it goes to vote and gets voted off the table it can't come back right?

So did they just decide to not vote, so they wont lose and can try again in a few months? How is this even fair!

We got rid of corona easier than this pesky law proposal.

[night girder]

Reading more into it. Yes, this is exactly what they did. Not enough support? Don't put it on agenda (else it will be off for good).

[soft bloom]

encryption is bizare
listening about hors and trees and hashes all togethre seems like extremely convoluted system
I am used to JWT being just a hash 🙂

^talking about video I shared earlier (couple days ago)

[night girder]

earlier ... couple days ago

[soft bloom]

technically correct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw6J1JV_5Ec

it explains Sphincs+

and the whole scene of post quantum cryptography

hence the length

[soft bloom]

you know what's dangerous in how China bans for 'pessimistic' expressions in social media?
next step might be shuffling anything related to climate.
aka no more talking about damage, casulaties...
and their neighbour is going to closely follow (though it's up to debate if they already are ahead)

[verbal raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItXPvGrI6gY

REDSTONE WHEN ?

[twin dew]

https://www.phoronix.com/review/intel-open-source-2025

We need to find a balance where we use [our open-source software] as an advantage to Intel and not let everyone else take it and run with it.

We are very proud of our open-source contributions. We are going to keep on doing that. However, like I mentioned, I want to make sure that it gives us an edge against everyone else.

[jagged snow]

Was the unity security issue reported on here?

[twin dew]

Yes. But somehow it seemed to realistically be limited to Unity apps that register URL handlers in browsers.

[jagged snow]

Really odd, but good to know

[night girder]

where was is reporte?

[twin dew]

Basically allowed for starting unity program to be instructed to load anything else by command line argument.
But if you are already local, you could just load that yourself directly.
So only realistic thread is that web page or something like that uses such URL handler to load unity program with arguments.

Was it almost week ago?

[jagged snow]

A while ago, I only found out because a bunch of games I own issued patches

[night girder]

CVE-2025-59489 - ok

[twin dew]

Ok, it was talked in #off-topic-general

Not here.

No, that was different thing...

Sorry... I'm messing up completely trying to find where I talked about that...

Ah, no, wasn't here, so no, that hasn't been talked on this server yet.

But basically allows instructing unity program to load any code with command line arguments.
But like I said, if you are already local, for most systems that doesn't give you anything extra.
But being able to attack via browser remotely, with browser launching Unity via such URI handler, would allow remote code execution attacks.

[night girder]

So far I read;

• unexploited so far.
• steam already protects again this. URI steam:// + parameters associated with CEV are blocked.
• steam also blocks 2017.1 unity and newer.

still, a bit wild ...

[dire igloo]

We are proud of our open source contributions, so we're gonna trample all over open source ethics for the sake of profit

[twin dew]

And fire lot of people working in that open source ecosystem, and have no-one to replace their contributions as named contacts etc.

[dire igloo]

Eh, who cares about business continuity management anyway

[night girder]

Also, they want to be more competitive. And this is one of their moves towards that ... 🤷‍♂️

[twin dew]

And cutting costs by firing people can help with that.
But some of the cuts are just weird.
Getting rid of Clear Linux might be good move, if it wasn't widely used by their HW customers.
If it was, it was shooting themselves in the foot.

And cutting people in charge of Intel only kernel drivers, or Intel only distro packages, without warning or replacement by consolidation is just stupid.

Because for anyone that was using Clear Linux in production environment, the costs for doing OS replacement on all their servers aren't going to be small.

Which will sour relations for long time.

OK, it was rolling release distro, so probably not used much in any production server use.

But dropping support fully without any warning etc. will be remembered.

[jagged snow]

Y'all

Any suggestions on how to reduce interference to audio caused by gpu at high load?

[tough owl]

Dac

[jagged snow]

Well ye

💀

I meant solutions that don't involve extra hardware

[pure karma]

not using audio?

[glossy glacier]

Useing a digital output?
Some aluminium foil?

[thin trout]

There isn't really anything that you can do, short of moving the graphics card and DAC away from each other. Preferably from having DAC outside of the case

a lot of motherboards have/had onboard audio DAC sat right under the primary PCI-E slot and they just get wrecked by EMF if there are graphics card VRM components anywhere nearby

you can use a physical shield yes, but it's usually either unsafe or highly impractical (gg conductive materials between your motherboard and graphics card)

There are some DACs which are $10 but they may not provide great quality or volume.

Any headphone/mic which is USB has a DAC in it too.

the noise can be framerate dependant so less audible at lower framerates as our ears are less sensitive to those frequencies

but that is a painful bandaid

[bronze jasper]

Bluetooth headphones are a DAC technically. So are USB audio dongles

Back audio jacks directly on the board usually have less interference than front jacks too

[dire igloo]

CX31993
Fiio JA11
Apple USB-C dongle (in the Americas)

Cheap external DACs for ~$10 that are actually quite good

@robust thunder where's all that air blowing towards?
Referring to your post #satisfactory-memes message

[sand saddle]

Undervolting the gpu?

[soft bloom]

not the solution
but how exactly gpu impact audio and on what stage?

[dire igloo]

Here's an attempt at an explanation #off-topic-tech message

[jagged snow]

Only at high fps, > 200

And yeah, I've done a lot of audio work so I know an external DAC would fix it but I just bought new headphones... Undervolting might help some

[soft bloom]

wouldn't be better to just limit fps?

[jagged snow]

I do... At 240!

[soft bloom]

just put it at rate that doesn't cause interference?..

[dire igloo]

If your car starts making weird noises above 80kph, just don't drive faster than that

[thin trout]

if it's 40kph you get it fixed 😛

[jagged snow]

Well, sorta
I would if I knew it wasn't a safety issue or not going to damage anything

I'd just gripe about it a lot

[night girder]

...

If your car starts making weird noises, go see a mechanic asap.

Unless your a mechanic yourself.

Just paraphrasing the advice of car mechanics 🤣

[dire igloo]

and if the mechanic tells you "just reduce max speed" that's a shitty mechanic

[twin dew]

One of my previous cars started doing that.
Failing driveshaft middle bearing.
Drove it for further year, then scrapped it.
Had bought the car for 800e about four years before, wasn't worth it to repair as I didn't need a car anymore anyways.

[night girder]

I wouldn't recommend that at all.

Especially with a 800 euro car, I would not keep driving it for another year 🤣

[robust thunder]

Well, I bought a plethora of fans to put in my gaming computer I’m building later today.
I bought 8 of them, but as of right now I used their interconnectable feature and had them all lined up on my table 😅

[night girder]

8 fans?

[dire igloo]

so they weren't cooling anything?

[dire igloo]

sounds like fishtank

[twin dew]

Needed car for that year, scrapped when the need ended.
Issue was known, wasn't critical, just needed to limit speed to limit the heating on that bearing.

[dire igloo]

three bottom intake, three side intake, three top exhaust, one rear exhaust

[night girder]

Fair, who diagnosed the issue?

[night girder]

🤔

[twin dew]

I did.

[night girder]

Bottom intake?

Is this a fishtank?

Why does bottom fans sounds horrible.

[dire igloo]

yes, but an atypical one

this is a more classic one

[dire igloo]

because if you have a dirty floor, all that dirt is gonna get sucked up
also, there's not much room for air to pass around the stands and under the case to get sucked into the PC

[night girder]

The latter mostly (that was on my mind).

Or they designed for bottom intake? Do they do anything special so they can pull this off?

[dire igloo]

note that most cases have dust filters on the bottom

[dire igloo]

they have feet that they stand on

[twin dew]

And the car worked without issues for that extra year, and could have done more.
Just that if driven at 100km/h for 10+ minutes, would start making extra noise from the bearing, when it heated up.
So driving at 80km/h, no major extra wear, driven at higher speed, would have failed fast if continued.

[dire igloo]

default case layout has PSU intake from the bottom

[night girder]

Still. I was also thinking about feet. But how much do you gain?

On classic setups for a case, frontal is blocked by nothing. Top air intake is blocked by nothing.

Like even this looks not enough to me.

But maybe test will dissaprove and tell us that airflow is optimal in such cases 🤷‍♂️

[dire igloo]

you buy a fishtank for style, not performance

it's definitely worse than regular airflow

but it's still good enough to even put a highend PC in
will just run louder then

but there are more things that add to higher temps and higher noise than just case layout

like the type of fan you choose and the amount of money you spend

[night girder]

For sure.

But if the intake/outtake can't pull it off (too small gap) you can put massive fans on it and it wont do much.

[pure karma]

biggest diffrence to noise i did was use the aio as intake instead of exhaust because its fighting physics as an intake where as when i had it top mounted as an exhaust the air was being pushed through it already and the fans were just asisting

but it halfed the heat disipated into my room so the noise is worth it

[dire igloo]

hence why most fishtanks perform worse in noise normalized tests than cases specifically built for airflow

[dire igloo]

wait, how did you have it set up before? top intake?

[pure karma]

top exhaust

now i have it as side intake from the outside

[dire igloo]

wait, so you have worse noise now?

or lower?

[pure karma]

yea cause theres more resitance

[dire igloo]

yeah makes sense

but why would heat dissipation be lower?

[pure karma]

side pannel + mesh + entire radiator + probably turbulance

[pure karma]

probably less air moved

[dire igloo]

cuz higher temps means less boost means lower power draw means less heat?

[pure karma]

more of the heat is staying in the liquid of the aio probably

but not enough to affect temps much

[dire igloo]

if your CPU consumes 100W of electricity, it's gonna output 100W of heat
doesn't matter how you dissipate that, 100W is 100W

[pure karma]

yea but somehow less of it is being disipated into the air so its being disapated elsewhere be it the case aio liquid or whatever but less of it is heating up the room to a meaningfull amount

[dire igloo]

heat capacity is finite

[twin dew]

It will all always end up in the room air.
The AIOs water just acts as buffer when the heat load is increasing.

[dire igloo]

so either your loads are short so nothing saturates or you're falling for placebo

[twin dew]

But then that buffered heat is exchausted later anyways, once the heat output of the CPU drops.

The total heat exchausted to the room air is identical.
Just that the exhaust temperature over time profile can be different.

[dire igloo]

I could see two explanations:
less airflow in the room means that the heat distribution is less even and the temperature is bigger - meaning hotter air around the PC and less hot air further away
ooorrrr... it just happened to coincide with outside temps going down so your room stays colder not because your cooler is more efficient, but because the temp delta has grown

[night girder]

Call me crazy, but that's why I open windows (not the OS).

[pure karma]

what im surprised by is that both the aios i have as top exhausts work way too well and exhaust like 40-50C air out but my 360 side mounted moves no air at all

i nerver get that

[dire igloo]

a very real scenario however is that your PC is now much closer to thermal throttling, so overall power consumption has gone down drastically

[night girder]

also cool air is lower than hot air ...

so if you pull in low and throw out high != pull in high throw out low.

[twin dew]

Your AIO tubes were at top?

[pure karma]

yep

still are

[twin dew]

So basically no water was moving, so the radiator never got the heat from the CPU to radiate.

[dire igloo]

note that their airflow pattern has remained largely identical and that convection is very weak compared to fan-powered airflow

[twin dew]

And your AIO isn't working as AIO, but as very shitty air cooler with only the block itself.

[pure karma]

so your saying iv been cooling 220W on purely an aio block

[dire igloo]

wait wha

[pure karma]

i do actually believe the theory that the pump isent flowing because its the onyl explenation that makes sense

especially because it runs dry on every startup

you can hear it splash like 2-3 times

[dire igloo]

that does not sound healthy

water pumps break a lot faster when they're pulling air

[robust thunder]

I bought the stereotypical fishtank, an O11 Vision Compact

was it worth the $130? Probably not

[dire igloo]

O11 Vision isn't typical

top window wasn't really a thing before

[pure karma]

i know, but theres not much you can do about it

[night girder]

Lian Li mainstream now

[dire igloo]

ahem, top exhaust, ahem

[pure karma]

if i top mount the fans droop down and the bearings stop being stable

if i side mount hte pump dies

[dire igloo]

Unifans since like 2020, O11 since idk ages

[pure karma]

if i bottom mount shits fucked

[night girder]

I never heard of it untill I got this case. NZXT is something I saw everywhere.

[dire igloo]

fan replacements are much cheaper than a new AIO

[night girder]

And the other typical brands that slip my mind.

[dire igloo]

btw, what AIO is it?

[twin dew]

Better fans that have bearings that work while pushing up?
Or side mount with the radiator with tubes at the bottom?

[pure karma]

deepass 720se

[robust thunder]

I have what’s told to be a positive airflow, I have 3 intake fans on the back right hand side panel (thanks to the nature of my case), 3 intake fans on the bottom, and 2 exhaust fans out of the back.

[night girder]

This sounds ... mhm I don't know.
I would expect fans to be made for this and the bearing handling it.

[dire igloo]

Montech became popular in the last few years
Thermaltake had been a staple for a long time
Phanteks too
Inwin kinda became irrelevant

[dire igloo]

should have good pump and fans

[pure karma]

idk it seems like deepcool dident understand how to make fans

even the nzxt stock fans i have do better

[robust thunder]

feels good to get rid of that wretched pfp

[dire igloo]

yup, that's what I'd do too in that case

[night girder]

or you are unlucky with the fan.

[twin dew]

Or overtightened mounting screws.

[pure karma]

i mean was the 720se even new when i got it

[robust thunder]

and I’m using a 360mm radiator on my ryzen 5 7600x 🤡

[twin dew]

Causing the frame get bent.

[night girder]

🤔

That sounds like a crap fan then.

[pure karma]

half my screws arent even in to fit the fan power cables

[night girder]

How the hell do you overtight so much that it bends the frame.

One, there should be a stop for overtightening.
Two, the frame should not bent.

[dire igloo]

you got a style PC, not a value PC or minmax PC

[twin dew]

Pretty easy to do when mounting radiator at the top.
Noctua had to do another revision of their new fan because of that, to mitigate it more.

[night girder]

What do you mean pretty easy to do? It's not a car. You don't have to tighten stuff to oblivion.

[dire igloo]

that's fine as long as you don't lie to yourself that you bought that AIO for anything other than aesthetics

[robust thunder]

It isn’t immaculate on value, but it has some dang good specs. Gonna rock 32 gigs of RGB ram and the Asus Tuf 5070Ti

[twin dew]

Plastic deforms little under pressure.
Nothing you can do about that without metal inserts going full through.
Which no fan has.
And even plastic tube type fans are not common.

[dire igloo]

ahem, LGA1700, ahem, LGA1851, ahem

[robust thunder]

just look at how huge this thing is. I have really big hands too.

[twin dew]

Point was that lot of people do that, even when they don't have to do it.

[robust thunder]

25 ft lbs torque spec 🥀💔

[pure karma]

yea my fans definitely deformed i bet from the heat since there not mounted level but als otheve been like this since the start sooo dosent excuse the vibrations

[dire igloo]

send PCPP list

[robust thunder]

one sec

[dire igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[pure karma]

and if it was top moutn overtigtening id expect it from the kraken i got for my arc build

since that i literally had to use to bend the mount into the right place

[dire igloo]

they should not deform from heat until like 70+ Celsius

[night girder]

If the fans are bent it's an "easy" fix. New fans.

[pure karma]

not visibly bent so hard to know for sure

[robust thunder]

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4t42Jn Fans are all placeholders for the Nyota Ultras. They weren’t featured on PCPP

[dire igloo]

unless you stressed the material too much, then smaller amounts of warmth can soften the material enough

[dire igloo]

can add them as custom parts

that CPU/MB pricing sounds like a unicorn deal, dayum

nice PC actually

[twin dew]

Those ribs for example are attempt at reinforcing.
But if you screw with bolt through both flanges, you can very easily use so much force that the flanges get temporarely or permanently bent towards each other.

Causing the whole frame to flex.

[dire igloo]

it's rare that my worst criticism is "RAM ain't hynix and you're spending money on aesthetics"

[robust thunder]

I bought the CPU off of my friend for $20, it was double sent by newegg and the motherboard was a steal on Woot (an Amazon service)

[pure karma]

but i could see a bend being possible since my fans are esentially mounted like this

[dire igloo]

MagicZ moment

[pure karma]

when i top mount them they are flush but when i side mount them they are sitting on there own power cables

since theres no clearance

[dire igloo]

lemme guess, H6 Flow?

[pure karma]

+3

[dire igloo]

H9? thought it had kinda decent clearance

guess not then, huh

[pure karma]

fuuuckkk no

not with the riveted shield for cable covering

[twin dew]

That recent Noctua case where they delayed fan for respin to add more reinforcements against that kind of radiator mount overthightening frame flex issues:
https://www.hwcooling.net/en/noctua-on-nf-a14x25-g2-frame-deformations-interview/

[pure karma]

mm at most

[twin dew]

All around surround would be better, but that then wouldn't work with clip type fan mounting solutions.

[night girder]

Interesting read btw.

[twin dew]

"Full" fix would be that fully enclosing metal tube insert, but lot of extra cost, and would not work with those clips, so would prevent usage as air cooler fan for most coolers.

[night girder]

But it seems mounting the fan to top, wasn't the only event that made the fans bend.

Others are; age, clip-on system fron heatsinks etc.

And I never took into consideration what the heatsinks do to the fan frame. It seems something so silly it didn't cross my mind it could eventually bend the frame.

[twin dew]

Of course not, but tight mounting that causes uneven load, with temperature and age is the "worst case".
And radiator mounting with screws through both flanges is the very common form of that.
As the amount of turning from "being in contact with the flange" to "overtight" is pretty small, and it isn't hard to turn between those, or even more.
And can be less than half a turn.
I did that with my own radiator way back when.

[night girder]

How do you mean ofcourse not? Did I read it wrong? Or misinterpret?

the reason why we’ve seen deformation in these areas has to do with how the compressive load of heatsink clips and radiator screws acts onto the fan frames as well as with the force transmission within the frames.

[twin dew]

That radiators would be the only issue.

Just that they are the worst case scenario for most part.
As most clips only pull in from the near flanges, not the far flanges.
And usually the other side support is close to the clip points, so there isn't offset between the opposing forces.

Much offset.

[night girder]

One second. Have to look up what flanges are.

These are the clips points.

[twin dew]

Meaning those protruding parts from the main frame, with the mounting points:

[night girder]

So what do you mean with far flanges?

[twin dew]

Meaning that kind of clip that goes to the outer one does cause uneven force.

While ones going to the nearer to the fins flange doesn't.

But that far one works with all fans, near one only with ones that don't have fully enclosed screw hole.

[night girder]

Not 100% sure if I follow what you say.

The heatsink clips I've seen always look like this.

from corners, to middle to attach and trying to balance pressure.

[twin dew]

Because the force from that farther mounting has to partly go sideways first, to the ribs and frame, before being passed onto the contact surface with the cooler/radiator/case.
While if you just mount with the near flange, it is directly supported, so no major distorting force.

Basically any force on that farther flange will try to force it closer to the other supported flange.
Distorting the whole fan.
But as long as that force is small enough, it doesn't cause enough distortion to matter.
But over time, materials under load creep.
And elevated temperatures make that happen faster.

[twin dew]

Which is also part of the reason why that Noctua fan has the mounting holes right near the frame, and not in the flanges/"ears".

In addition for spacing.

[night girder]

I see.

[visual tree]

This gives me Skynet vibes

I should probably spend money on Neuromancer book though

[verbal raft]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1338194417907142740/1425580404987007117/Unbenanntes_Video_Mit_Clipchamp_erstellt_4.mp4?ex=68ea14f6&is=68e8c376&hm=5fa030c4654e04b430eb7141be4de24af3a3066d5a68e33d48eaeaa6d8f3a111&

@twin dew seems your theory was indeed correct

[pure karma]

there you have it

ai generated drivers

[twin dew]

And how is he measuring that "productivity"...
If the result is buggy mess that takes forever to correct like it seems to currently be.

[night girder]

Asrock, please. No. Don't build AI generated drivers. You can't afford that

[mental oriole]

Ruin your company any% speedrun?

[visual tree]

First we had Vibe coding. Now we have Vibe reviewing

[cyan crescent]

I have an old-ish usb install of windows 11. I need to temporarily install it to get my laptop working again. Whats one of the old methods to bypass the account requirement?

[pure karma]

make a usb that does it for you???

[cyan crescent]

What?

[pure karma]

rufus can make a usb that does the bypass completely automatically

i dont understand why this isent more commonly known

[warm jay]

I think most people doesn’t know what an OS is. For them it’s probably just the ‘’computer’’. So installing a new one ? From an usb thumb drive ? That’s dark magic

Well not tech savvy people at least

[dire igloo]

I visited a lecture on operating systems for one semester during my Bachelor's
safe to say: I have no fucking clue what an OS does aside from "lets me use my PC"

[jagged snow]

I can't tell if that's satire or not

[warm jay]

Even I don’t know tbh. I just feel that way when I see people using computer around me

[dire igloo]

it really isn't

granted, the professor sucked at explaining and I was on the height of lockdown depression, but it's true nonetheless

[warm jay]

Well OS are pretty complicated

[pure karma]

same

[dire igloo]

there's a difference between knowing which buttons to push to get the desired result and knowing what the buttons actually do

[pure karma]

minus the lecture part ofc

[glossy glacier]

before the network screen, press shift+F10, then enter "oobe\bypassnro" in the cmd window. after the reboot press "i don't have internet" in the network screen

or, if you running pro, jet choose "set up for work" > "sign-in options" > join a domain

[visual tree]

Ok, this is like 5th or 6th time city power substation has exploded in 2 weeks...

I can already imagine the conversation in the electrical utility company:

Worker: We need to build more power substations asap since we can't handle new residential buildings!

Management: We can build them later. Our top priority is to connect those new residential buildings in order to start charging customers electricity and generate income

1 year later....

Management: Why are power substations suddenly exploding? Who is responsible for this?

Worker: You are....

Worker gets fired. End of story....

[rustic panther]

I mean I honestly have barely a clue what my OS actually does beyond letting me play the funny factory game and play a youtube

I mean on a technical level

[glossy glacier]

• Hardware abstraction
• Ressource Management
• Rights management
• Services
• User Interface

[rustic panther]

Well yes, but how is that implemented

I should find a book on it or something

[jagged snow]

Really, I find that super interesting

Cool

[pure karma]

its the kind of thing you dont really need to know as long as it works

[stiff temple]

this sounds weird but i have a 3 pin ldo regulator that has a max Vin of 16v and im planning to use a 24v psu and i decided to stick a 7812 between the ldo regulator and 24v psu

[rustic panther]

I mean, OSes are pretty darn interesting to unpack I'm sure, I've just never looked into it

[pure karma]

good, im glad

i dont need more edge

[twin dew]

Why not just use one LDO with suitable input and output?
Instead of two, where one just lowers the voltage for the second?

[stiff temple]

that isnt rlly a option especially if im in a time crunch, i found one on mouser with 30v max Vin but it will take way too long to get here, i have to use what i have

[twin dew]

What output voltage do you then need?

[stiff temple]

5v

[twin dew]

If 78xx series doesn't have suitable

So just use 7805?

[stiff temple]

i only have the 7812

[twin dew]

And your living location doesn't have electronics part shop anywhere near?
In Finland there is one in every real city, and all stock most common 78xx:s.

[stiff temple]

nope micro center exists but its far

[twin dew]

That isn't electronics part shop, but computer parts shop, if the US one.

[stiff temple]

theres a maker section within microcenter

[twin dew]

Like I said, google if there is electronics part shop in your home city...

[stiff temple]

theres some but im certain that all of them dont have a 7805 in stock

[twin dew]

But you can call and ask, and if suitable one has, then go get it.

[stiff temple]

and if none of them have it

its like past 1am so im not callin right now

[twin dew]

But chaining the regulators does work.

Just remember that 7812 preferrably has small caps for assistance, the datasheets will have the config and values.

[stiff temple]

i didnt see any caps when i took the 7812 off a broken amp board

[twin dew]

Almost any 78xx datasheet will have that as strong suggestion

With surface mount MLCC capacitors preferred.

Can work without, depending on the exact manufacturer etc.
But I'm not sure if having just second LVO after will make it worse or better for the final output without them.

[stiff temple]

shouldnt a 2nd ldo smooth it out even more

[twin dew]

Probably, but might depend on exact models and regulation frequencies etc.

[stiff temple]

k

am havin an issue

[twin dew]

And still waiting to hear what that issue is...

[stiff temple]

If cpu pwr limit set to 100, cpu gets hot enough to the point of windows hibernating itself

It’s turboing to over 4ghz doing nothing

[twin dew]

What power limit?
Windows one?

Intel or AMD CPU?

[dire igloo]

post pcpp list

[stiff temple]

I’m stop u right there

It’s a laptop

[twin dew]

Intel?
And the Windows Power Options, Minimum processor state at 100%?
I would call that as expected then.

[stiff temple]

Ultimate performance, min 0%, max 100%(leads to random unexpected hibernation, fixed by setting to 99)

I’m getting off laptop Tmr

[stiff temple]

Amd

[twin dew]

For AMD, the "visible" frequency being high is to be expected.
AMD has for at least most of Zen, possibly already before, done the power management via other means and not by dropping frequency.
Clock gating at C3 sleep and power gating at C6 sleep for individual cores at very short duration slices as needed.
But setting that Ultimate Performance profile might mess with that too.
But not enough information to say what might be going on, when you don't volunteer any information.

[twin dew]

And AFAIK the only trigger that Windows has for hibernate is too low battery state.
For overheating, the system should just shut down, without normal Windows shutdown, just cut power.

[tribal kraken]

Copying some 3D scan data from spinning discs (2x WDRED 4TB RAID1) , over 2,5GB network. Maybe its time to find NVME storage for those. But I can wait too for this.

Produced about 24 GB point clouds yesterday for work project

[winged valley]

Unsolicited M2 Pro pic

[night girder]

That doesn't look very healthy? Or am I wrong?

[visual tree]

Looks like I dodged the bullet. Considered selling a house and buying an apartment from a known investor only to find out from neighbours who live in an apartment building built 3 years ago they already have huge issue with mold and electricity

At this point, I am so afraid of buying new apartment buildings because investors keep hiring cheap workforce and the build quality is much worse than buildings built before 2020. Guess I'll die in my own house

So much for the "perfect ratio of price/quality"

Expect they didn't mention the part where they hired unskilled labor who messed up everything

I've heard of an investor in my city who hired a worker so bad he covered electrical wires in the wall with concrete and didn't use conduit....

[cyan crescent]

I think my 2 SSDs in raid are preventing me from getting to bios

[dire igloo]

That's a wild statement

I'd love to hear your troubleshooting process

[jagged snow]

It really is considering that the UEFI loads before touching the disk

[winged valley]

I'm very new to removing underfill, and scraped the top layer of the mask in a couple spots. Under a scope it's fine

[cyan crescent]

Replaced motherboard, nothing, replaced cpu, nothing. Ram? Nothing. Removed all storage drives? Suddenly works. Add os drive back? Still works. Add raid SSDs back? Fail. Remove raid again? Works.

[languid gulch]

is there a weird boot order error?

[pure karma]

what in the looney tunes

[languid gulch]

are you running in a VM?

[pure karma]

ofc not

also makes me question why a game would even need such requirements

[languid gulch]

oh have you seen the new bullshit

BF6 will drop dead on your pc if you DC from the internet

while in solo

[winged valley]

Not sure about TPM, but secure boot makes sense

To prevent loading software above Windows

[pure karma]

i dont think i have ever had working secure boot

unless my laptop has it yea im 2/2 on no secure boot

[winged valley]

Unfortunate

Wait a minute what

How fucking old is your laptop? Win98?

[pure karma]

atleast i should have it on my main pc if i manually turn it on but iv nerver gone looking for it

[pure karma]

2024

[winged valley]

Your laptop has secure boot, it isn't turned on. That red text does not necessarily mean it is missing

[winged valley]

On a laptop that new, secure boot would be turned on out of the box

[pure karma]

well yea thats why i said its probably on and i dont feel liek checking

but i know its off or not available on both my desktops

yea off on both of them

[winged valley]

The only possible way for it to be not available is either you're running CSM for some ungodly reason or if all of your BIOS's are coincidentally corrupted

CSM explanation is more probable

Your boot drives aren't formatted with an MBR partition table are they?

Wait no you're running UEFI on that system

Go just go turn on secure boot

[pure karma]

while im at it what is HVCI

if i recall its just memory integrity but is it actually worth enabling

uhh well on my second pc its already on

So yea its not working

[winged valley]

Do restore factory keys

[pure karma]

cant select any of the bottom 3

[winged valley]

It should say standard or user mode for secure boot, not setup

What? That's weird

If you have your weird overclocks memorized, reset bios

Factory defaults

[pure karma]

i have everything on default other than XMP

[winged valley]

Then reset it

[pure karma]

oh i had to set it to manual instead of standard to do it

ok yea now it works

wack

[winged valley]

Now fix your other two computers

That's cursed

[pure karma]

all green now

[thin trout]

I have a current gen mobo and secure boot is off by default

[pure karma]

both of mine where on but dident actually work until i set them to manual

weird

holy bro i cnat type with this keyboard

the keys are so sensitive if you even scrape another key it types it

[verbal raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSV9EPCRLEE

[night girder]

You guys were aware of this right?

Red means supported but not enabled by bios.

[twin dew]

Not enabled by OS, BIOS with support enabled, but for some reason or other the OS didn't boot with it.
In this case, because of key mismatch, so Windows couldn't boot with it.

If set to completely disabled in BIOS, it will be that grey.

[night girder]

Baldur, you ditched firefox you said. They announced "free vpn" in firefox. But this setence I find funny;

Mozilla says it collects only minimal technical data, such as connection success or bandwidth usage, to improve the service. It does not log the websites you visit or the content of your browsing.

The company calls Firefox VPN “just the beginning,” with the aim to eventually build “the best VPN-integrated browser on the market.” For now, it is a limited experiment.

[shell meadow]

free vpns are scam vpns

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-drama-dramatic-steven-colbert-spectator-gif-16076359

[shell meadow]

only buy vpn with cash and self generated accounts

[night girder]

Also, they have their Mozilla VPN which is NOT the same as the Firefox build in VPN.
One is paying, the other ""free"".

So why place two products next to each other in the same company.

Also a bit too late, because proton just made their VPN free available to win market.

[shell meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/meximize-your-revenue-with-data-data-crystal-ball-crystalballinsight-gaannotations-gif-9567404128248047701

[night girder]

So I think Mozilla noticed this and tried to be aggresive and compete.

[night girder]

The browser VPN for Firefox only works with account ofc That's why I am a bit skeptical they had to clarify they don't hoard data.

But do need an identifier (accounts logged in to use VPN) when people use it.

[shell meadow]

protonmail gave user data to police in the past
they'll do the same with their vpn

[night girder]

That sounds hard to do if you know how a proper* VPN works.

[shell meadow]

they make the client and the server

nothing hard in getting users data

even metadata can be enough to identify someone

[night girder]

well, data is encrypted at start and decrypted at end.

it's a tunnel or should be.

[shell meadow]

and who controls the start?

[twin dew]

Edge for long time already, never used myself:

[night girder]

Yeah, read in the article Firefox is behind. Latelely Mozilla is off, but still the better option imo.

Especially if you harden the browser with betterfox, and afaik, only firefox allows this type of stuff because of the user profiles.

It's just the most flexible browser to me that lets me turn off anything I want.

[shell meadow]

issue with VPN providers isnt even about the content
its about the metadata
let's say ur an activist in a country where your actions are illegal
you use protonvpn to hide your identity
your country authorities ask protonvpn for the original ip from the vpn'd one they found
protonvpn gives your info
you're in jail

[night girder]

Account activity: Proton VPN is a no-logs VPN service. When you use the Service, we do NOT do any of the following:

Log users' traffic or the content of any communications
Discriminate against devices, protocols, or applications
Throttle your Internet connection

[shell meadow]

that's what they say

[night girder]

Our free VPN service is also covered by our no-logs policy, and has in general no speed restrictions. We do reserve the right to impose speed restrictions in cases of excessive consumption in order to ensure service quality for all users on free servers.

[shell meadow]

would u trust ur life on them?

[night girder]

Transparency report: Information about law enforcement data requests can be found in the Proton VPN Transparency Report and Warrant Canary.

They literally collect what you report. The law enforcement requests. I want to see other companies pull this off

[twin dew]

Well, options are to not do stuff, or trust at least ONE no-logs VPN provider.

[night girder]

To be counted here as a legal request for information, the request must come through official channels foreign or domestic (either a court order, directly from a government entity, or from legal/security departments of corporations). The only legally binding requests are ones from the Swiss courts that we are legally obligated to comply with. Under Swiss data protection regulations, we cannot legally comply with foreign requests that are not supported by a Swiss court order.

[shell meadow]

https://next.ink/brief_article/protonmail-doit-collaborer-avec-la-justice-suisse-et-donc-europol-et-donc-la-france/
if u have a built in translator

[night girder]

Only swiss court it seems.

[shell meadow]

best option is to use a vpn that doesnt need a personal account nor an online payment

few do that

[twin dew]

Not really.
If they have logs, your external to VPN traffic can be matched in the logs to your actual IP, and that can be turned into person via ISP.

[shell meadow]

if u dont provide any personal data they cant sell it or give it to police

[night girder]

The transparancy is cool, and yes it helps me to trust them.

Why? Easy. Proton is not on my shit list like every other goddam tech company who fucked up majorly.

[shell meadow]

dont connect from your personal router if ur using a vpn and dont want to be tracked down

[night girder]

Don't forget, proton has paid VPN. So would be insanely stupid not to have privacy in mind. That's proton gimmick anyway.
Trying to be EU google with privacy.

[twin dew]

And if you are on some public internet, you don't need VPN.

To be anonymous.

[shell meadow]

on a public network vpn protects you from mitm

[night girder]

What? 🤨

[shell meadow]

either that be from another individual or the network provider

[night girder]

I would advise the opposite, use VPN in public. Especially for IT people.

[twin dew]

Yes, VPN has its place, but point was about that "free VPN with logs" with public connection as "better" than no-logs VPN from anywhere.

Where that no-logs has actually been audited.

[night girder]

Also, I just reealise.

Proton denied all law requests haha, I didn't notice omg.

[shell meadow]

that's a point for them i admit

still prefer no account / no online payment vpn

[night girder]

2025 (up to June 30)
Total orders: 29
Denied orders: 29
2024
Total orders: 53
Denied orders: 53
2023
Total orders: 60
Denied orders : 60
2022
Total orders: 80
Denied orders 80
2021
Total orders: 121
Denied orders: 121

Because like stated on the page, they can't help law enforcement, if they have no logs.

[shell meadow]

its a matter of trust

if what you do with your vpn is ok enough to be possibly busted in the future then go with proton

like pr0n or things like that

[night girder]

Good point. Another reason I am less worried. I don't do illegal stuff.

[shell meadow]

if ur an activist i'll always recommend iVPN or Mullvad

the fact that proton collaborated with justice for their email service makes me worried about their vpn service

[night girder]

I am not. I find those two very different services.

[shell meadow]

just wait for their country to enforce law and force them to keep logs

[night girder]

If police notices someone order a hit on somebody by sending a mail to a proton server to a hitman.
If the police then asks to proton, hey do you have that mail and can we have it to use in court.
That seems very leggit.

[shell meadow]

making something globally legit for only a few legit cases is very dangerous

history proves it

[night girder]

If proton doesn't do this, more and more criminals will use their services.

And then it will become a notorious service eventually.

[shell meadow]

"criminal" definition evolves as law evolves

now in UK people who protest against genocides are criminals

[night girder]

Look at how much shit facebook, google etc are getting. They are responsible at this point for everything wrong on their platform.
Which is cynical because the growth of those platforms is beyond control.

[glossy glacier]

So you trade a maybe mitm to a known mitm, sure.
Public certificate infrastructure should prevent all but the most sophisticated mitm attacks

[shell meadow]

read the whole convo please

[twin dew]

Point of that was that on (almost) any free VPN, you are the product.

[night girder]

Well, I was discussing this point: #off-topic-tech message
The "I am the product when I use free product" argument is so beaten to death in this channel.

[shell meadow]

not really

those things need money to be maintained

either its from donations or selling your data

[night girder]

Well I gave you a website that clearly states how they handle police reports.

I showed you the data proton provides about requets and they DENIED ALL.

[shell meadow]

so i should trust them blindfully with my life? no thnkss

[night girder]

I showed you that proton promises to hold no logs.

[shell meadow]

it's all saying

[night girder]

Read. Proton provides arguments to use their service, that I find compelling.
If you don't find them compelling and go with firefox, apple or whatever that's your choice.

[shell meadow]

they also said they didnt work with justice with protonmail

🤡

and then they worked with justice

[night girder]

But don't "shit" talk proton, with one article from 2021. And when someone provides x data to dissaprove it, ignore it.

[shell meadow]

one article is enough to lose trust sorry

again, maybe you dont mind because u only use vpn for porn

i use vpn for activism, i dont wanna end up in jail cuz i was too confident with a webpage

[night girder]

Also a article about a DIFFERENT service.

[shell meadow]

different service from same provider

man learns from his mistakes, wise man learns from others'

[night girder]

We going to die on this hill I see.

[shell meadow]

yes xD

[twin dew]

And my line wasn't about free ProtonVPN itself, just free VPNs in general, which is why I included that "(almost)".
Cannot comment on free ProtonVPN specifically how it is financed.

[shell meadow]

i'm a 'completely separate your hidden IT use' kinda scholar

bought a laptop in cash in a shop without videosurveillance

installed kubesos on it

also bought a phone in cash and installed grapheneos

they're both turned off while i'm 1km around my home

no sim card, only public or hacked wifis

vpn paid in cash with self generated account id

[night girder]

damn, and chatting on a public unprotected discord with x tons of bots recording everything

[shell meadow]

as long as i dont give any info on the device

there's no way you can trace my parallel use

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-conspiracy-tin-foil-hat-gif-20017163

[shell meadow]

i'm not using my vpn rn it's my clearweb usage

use your brain xD

nothing illegal to say i have those devices and configurations

what's illegal is what i do with these devices and 1. they won't find the devices 2. even if they do they won't be able to track back what i did nor link it to me

i wouldnt be dumb enough to take all those precautions and just bust myself on a random discord server

[night girder]

and then continues to say that they do illegal stuff

[shell meadow]

so what?

do you think any police force will send me in front of a judge saying "he said he does illegal stuff" without any proof?

that's nonsense

if that ever happens i'll just say i wanted to impress online people

and basta

[night girder]

Which is probably more true.

[shell meadow]

i'm just sharing my experience but feel free to fight this ego war alone

i've been in this setup for 10 years now

and i've seen many people get busted because they weren't secured enough

[pure karma]

The logo for word changing was not something i expected

[wanton orchid]

if only it was that easy

[safe trench]

wait till this guy hears about ime and that nsa can track tor

and they will still find a way even if you use something else

[shell meadow]

I love when people try to make me look dumb by making things up about me in a convo they weren't in and only read the end of

Most often the people that do nothing and wanna look smart/edgy

Go use protonvpn on your personal laptop if you want bro i'm not judging you

[twin dew]

And not even being really aware what phone IMEI is.

[shell meadow]

Lmao who said that

Making things up again

[twin dew]

That pressure conversion cube isn't aware.

Just MAC equivalent, so something that the mobile provider sees, that is unique to specific phone SIM slot.

[shell meadow]

Oh i didn't see he's a transphobe piece of shit also

Teenage edgelord ass profile not worth my time

[safe trench]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1216873102147850293/1385243397383786537/lerolero-1x.gif

ur fault for reading my messages

also your in a discord general chat
if your that buthurt about a public chat you can make your own echo chamber freind group

[dire igloo]

*you're
*butthurt
*friend

[safe trench]

correction
*yr`ure

[shell meadow]

Bro can't even type imei properly and brings it up while i talk about unregistered phone with alternate OS he probably never even heard of
Probably installed kali linux yesterday and now thinks he's a h4x0r

Have fun educating yourself and come back to me in around 5-10yrs kiddo lol

[safe trench]

i use arch btw
also you should consider this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typographical_error

[shell meadow]

You're blocked btw i won't read your shit lol follow my advice or keep exposing yourself

[safe trench]

the iconic harrass run and block strat
very funny i see
ragebait somewhere else and keep building up your echo chamber kid

[dire igloo]

ironic

[shell meadow]

I can smell his room from here

And hear his mom yell about dirty clothes on floor

[safe trench]

are you telling me we can change the assigned gender at our birth

"hey mommy, can you set my gender to xeir when i come out?"

[dire igloo]

Well, how do you define gender?
Reproductive organs? Hormones? Psychological identity?

[shell meadow]

Dont fall into his shit bro you look smarter than that

[dire igloo]

Actually, lemme check smth rq

[shell meadow]

He's not trying to debate he just wants attention because his father didn't give him enough

[dire igloo]

#rules message

Time to quit it here

[shell meadow]

<@&387163995947270144> time to remove this crappy troll from here

[dire igloo]

That's why I checked rules.
I wanted to see if there's anything making specific statements about what counts as a bannable offense

[shell meadow]

That was a good idea

[dire igloo]

This is quite clear, but I don't think they've gone that far yet

But it was reeeeaaaally close

[vapid heron]

https://tenor.com/view/time-to-move-on-advice-dont-get-stuck-jennifer-lopez-saturday-night-live-gif-15754235

[shell meadow]

I'm sure mods will understand that he would've gone further if we participated in his ragebait

[shell meadow]

It's time to do your job?

[twin dew]

And one of you two has been active on the server without major issues for long time, one has basically been trolling for a day.

When it is you that has been the troll for last day Grimmer?

[vapid heron]

They wont be responding for awhile... I muted them for a day for continuing when I told them to change topics

[dire igloo]

Anyways, tech.
Just got a list of CVEs to check for our infrastructure.
Of course it includes dozens of Linux Kernel vulnerabilities - not a day goes by without one

[bronze jasper]

Double edged sword with open code bases. While they're free to use how you want, exploits are easier to find.

[dire igloo]

With easier to find exploits being another double edged sword.
People will find and use those exploits faster, but you also become aware of them much faster to take necessary precautions

[wanton orchid]

it's also fixed much faster if ever

[bronze jasper]

Yup. It's pretty sharp over there in foss lands. Stay frosty

[dire igloo]

Well, assuming an active dev community

[wanton orchid]

no, even assuming an inactive community

corpo code to fix will get on Cambridge 3pa or something

[dire igloo]

Fair - tho usually there's some form of SLA signed with the dev company.
So if your resource management department was clever, they put in a section about time to fix vulnerabilities

[visual tree]

Great, I can't remote desktop into company server after Windows 11 update

Also had issues with accessing mapped network drives after migration to Windows 11 but they have been solved after like 3 resets and plugging in/out network cable 2 times

Don't want to know what else Windows 11 has in store for me 🙈

[night girder]

https://tenor.com/view/hi-cha--leaving-gif-660543888862848498

Anyone used? schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/

This service lets you create answer files (typically named unattend.xml or autounattend.xml) to perform unattended installations of both Windows 10 and Windows 11, including 24H2 and 25H2. Answer files generated by this service are primarily intended to be used with Windows Setup run from Windows PE to perform clean (rather than upgrade) installations.

[twin dew]

Not that service, for the official documentation:
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/manufacture/desktop/update-windows-settings-and-scripts-create-your-own-answer-file-sxs?view=windows-11

[night girder]

I just learned about it a few minutes ago, and spotted this:

Which peeked my interest with our recent discussions about account requirements.

[dire igloo]

Something in my brain just reminded me that shit like cepstrum, quefrency alanysis, liftering and saphe exists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cepstrum

I feel like all this stemmed from a handful of mathematicians in the 1960s who invented a new way of messing with physics students

There's half a dozen usecases listed and I don't think any of those were the topic of whatever lecture I had in uni that covered this.

Maybe analysis of signal reflections and reflection interference, that's the closest I can imagine to being relevant

[verbal raft]

https://videocardz.com/newz/burned-uut-rtx-5070-ti-with-literal-hole-brought-back-to-life-using-radeon-rx-580

[wanton orchid]

how much bullshit : yes

[visual tree]

Solved the problem. Deleted credentials, entered username and password again and managed to connect

The only issue is that I have to wait at least 60 seconds in order to remote desktop into server. Don't know why this happens since you could connect to server instantly on Windows 10

I guess it's because company windows 11 migration is not clean install and settings/software is transfered after upgrade

So it messes up everything

[night girder]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDnXe6N8h_c

[mental oriole]

Windows 11 is the answer.

[visual tree]

Windows 11 also has an annoying bug regarding Remote Desktop: If you delete credentials and type in username/password, you will connect to the server fast

But next time you try using remote desktop with saved credentials, connecting to server takes at least a minute...

[bronze jasper]

both heart bleed and mirai botnet happened. stuff does slip through the cracks, even in the widest used code bases. people aren't looking at every single line in every single foss project.

[visual tree]

@night girder Refill your energy bar. We might have stopped Chat Control this year but they are probably coming up with Chat Control 3.0. in 2026

Or something else disguised as chat control

[jagged snow]

Geez

These days linux oobe is so much better than windows

[pure karma]

yea really felt that with bazzite

6 hours of setup versus 5 minutes of setup pretty much

[tough owl]

Call me crazy but power shell kinda nice

[night girder]

What? There is an update on it? I though they cancelled it last week because "not enough support".

Fucking joke. "We will only vote for it, once we know we will win it."

[visual tree]

I mean, they canceled it because of lack of support but I bet 100% they will come up with chat control 3.0 next year

[night girder]

No.

They cancelled, because once it's on the table. It can't be on the table again if voted off.

So they cancel the vote, untill they know for sure they can push it through.

[visual tree]

They could make something similar though and pretend it's a new thing that needs to be voted on

[night girder]

So now for a year, they will "negotiate" (lobby) with the countries that are oppose and ask them; "How much does your vote cost? What you need? Weapons? Coal? Chips?"

[night girder]

they could ... they will do whatever it needs to get it through.

a solution would be to encrypt all data on a device. Some sort of new protocol, Encryption on device that is quick.

[visual tree]

That's why I said to recharge your batteries . Guess we will have to fight this while we are alive

[night girder]

And with all data, I mean all data. Like if you would eavesdrop and underlying protocols of my PC you would get encrypted data etc.

Then they can't listen in "before" the users sends the data.

I don't think we can fight this buddy.

Best thing we can do, is find something new, so by the time the law gets enforced, technologyy moved on. That's why I made the proposal of encryption. Not feasible.

But I hope someone clever finds something to bypass this law and by the time it gets enforced, everyone using something else with privacy in mind.

[visual tree]

Regarding this. I wonder how agents would react if I visited USA, customs and border agent asked for my phone and I gave them a burner phone

[night girder]

1. Don't go to US.
2. Don't bring burner phone.
3. Don't do that.

[visual tree]

Just a hypothetical situation

[night girder]

Well, tbh, it's what the US recommends when vising China and North Korea I believe.

To bring a burner phone and not your real phone.

So in theory, it should work both ways. But we all know the US ...

[visual tree]

If I brought my actual phone, I guarantee they would find something to complain about

[night girder]

I heard rumors that people at checkpoints got their phone taken away for a "standard control".

And afterwards they find supicious software burried on it.

[visual tree]

I wouldn't be surprised at this point

Also heard people got in trouble for Vance meme on their phone lol

Sorry, stupid autocorrect

[night girder]

Theguardian. (As a newspaper: Reliability: 40.19, Bias: -8.11)

[visual tree]

Considering what tech companies are doing atm, this could be possible

And almost guaranteed if they think you might have potential connections with criminals or terrorists

[night girder]

Yeah, they could have their reasons. Track tourist movement. Find popular hotspots tourists gather etc.

Want to leave it in the middle; a) that it's true. b) if true, what the intentions are of the app. The real goal.
Can be just a bunch of propaganda/scarry making.

But, how would they know it's a burner phone anyway if you do that @visual tree ?

[visual tree]

Aren't burner phones those cheap phones so they might make an educated guess?

[night girder]

yeah, in the 90's.

Buy refurbished smartphone for 65 euro.

Samsung galaxy so it wont stand out.

I though burner phones are just "cheap" phones so they are good candidate to "burn" (throw away).

[visual tree]

Just checked, most of them are under €40

This is an actual burner phone

[night girder]

So a phone you can put in your butt?

[visual tree]

I would love to see reaction of an agent if I gave them this lol

[pure karma]

why is it so tiny lol

[night girder]

for your butt

[pure karma]

but the scanners would catch it no?

[night girder]

so you can sneak it accross the border.

maybe. Never put a phone in my butt and went through a scanner.

but Asablic is about to attempt it it seems.

[pure karma]

sounds like grounds to experiment on

[night girder]

I am not bailing you out when you end up in Guantanamo bay.